Rob Zombie's Halloween

[hack slash]

Aug 31 2007

[Just Jeans]

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Writer/Director:
Rob Zombie

Studio:
Dimension Films

Cast:
Scout Taylor-Compton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scout_Taylor-Compton) as Laurie Strode
Brad Dourif (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brad_Dourif) as Sheriff Brackett
Daeg Faerch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daeg_Faerch) as Young Michael Myers
William Forsythe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Forsythe_%28actor%29) as Ronnie White
Skyler Gisondo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Doyle#Rob_Zombie.27s_Halloween) as Tommy Doyle
Hanna R. Hall (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanna_R._Hall) as Judith Myers
Danielle Harris (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danielle_Harris) as Annie Brackett
Udo Kier (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udo_Kier) as Morgan Walker
Kristina Klebe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween_%282007_film%29#Cast) as Lynda
Tyler Mane (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyler_Mane) as Michael Myers (age 27)
Malcolm McDowell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_McDowell) as Dr. Sam Loomis
Jenny Gregg Stewart (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Wallace) as Lindsey Wallace
Dee Wallace-Stone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dee_Wallace-Stone) as Cynthia Strode
Pat Skipper as Mason Strode
Max Van Ville (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Van_Ville) as Paul
Sheri Moon Zombie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheri_Moon_Zombie) as Deborah Myers
Tom Towles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Towles) as Councilman Edwards
Clint Howard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clint_Howard) as Dr. Koplenson
Daniel Roebuck (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Roebuck) as Lou Martini
Sid Haig (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sid_Haig) as Caretaker:
Bill Moseley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Moseley) as Security Guard
Leslie Easterbrook (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslie_Easterbrook) as Security Guard

Composer:
Tyler Bates (original Halloween Theme written by John Carpenter)

Release Date:
August 31st, 2007

Please, remember to keep it civil, folks.
Particularly right now, the last thing we need
is to let things degenerate into a flame war.

[French Friday]

New forum again, so I have to say it again : until now, I wanted to kill kid Michael.

But I hope and pray it'll turn that I'll love the way he plays young Michael, and will love the whole movie.

Answer in a few months.

[CanadianFonzie]

I really want to see this, but I'm not gonna rush it, cause if I rush it than the next thing I know summer will be over

judging by the trailor, this might be the first Rob Zombie movie that I like...but it doesn't look like it compares to the original...it goes without saying that it won't

[hack slash]

Pic of Michael and baby Laurie
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/23/Michaelwithlaurie.PNG

[Wheatjedi]

Is that blood spatter on Michael's face? It kind of looks like it in black and white.....

[hack slash]

Is that blood spatter on Michael's face?

kinda just looks like an old worn out photomaybe the one he shows to Laurie in the script before he tries to kill her

[Wheatjedi]

That could be. I'm wondering if it might just be a behind-the-scenes photo as well. Oh well.... we'll know soon enough. :)

[jayTL]

so was the new trailer with Captivity?

[hack slash]

old trailer

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5nmKzn6cO_I

[Lance Lives]

It seems like flicks that seemed so far away are coming out pretty soon. I've tried to stay completely blind to the going-ons of this flick so I wouldn't have an opinion going in. I hope it's good. I like his other flicks, but nothing can compare to the original. It's the movie that got me into horror.

[Wheatjedi]

There are so many early reviews from the advance screening(s) coming in! There are several over at the OHMB and one at AICN.

I need to pick up the new Fango.

[Dramarama]

I can't wait for Malcolm McDowell as Dr. Loomis, and to see Dee Wallace Stone :-).

[Wheatjedi]

I got the new Fango today with the Halloween cover story. It was a good article (with a little bit of spoiler info).... but when the hell did Fango go up to $9.00??? I guess it's been a while since I bought one, but holy crap!

[Gringo Loco]

**I posted this on the last message board that was up.**
---------------------------------------------------------------------

I just posted some scans I did of the new Fangoria with Michael on the cover. Go here to see them.

http://www.ohmb.net/showpost.php?p=534099&postcount=585

[sCabbOy]

speaking of Fangos... OVERPRICED BULLSHIT.

The mags are great to collect, but the same info you can find online covering the same damn movies over and over and over and ignoring good horror movies.

Screw that mag.

[CampNewBlood]

New forum again, so I have to say it again : until now, I wanted to kill kid Michael.

But I hope and pray it'll turn that I'll love the way he plays young Michael, and will love the whole movie.

Answer in a few months.

You and me both. That kid needs a haircut for one...stringy mess.

[Joshg]

Loved Devil's Rejects
Dispised House of 1000 Corpses

Hoping at least this'll be somewhere in between.

[Jack Bauer]

Unless my memory is going I just don't remember The Rabbit in Red lounge in any of Halloween films and that's including 3!

[hack slash]

Unless my memory is going I just don't remember The Rabbit in Red lounge in any of Halloween films and that's including 3!

the matches that Nurse Chambers had Said "Rabbit in Red lounge" on them, then you see the matches again when Dr. Loomis sees the tow truck in part 1

[Erik]

I'm really unsure about this movie as of now. Everything I see makes me more and more unsure. Hopefully it doesn't disappoint.

I'm still not certain about Zombie's talent. House showed some potential, and it had a lot of great sequences and moments and characters, but when viewed as a whole, it's a haggard mess. Rejects is prefect though. Absolutely brilliant as far as I'm concerned.

[Jack Bauer]

the matches that Nurse Chambers had Said "Rabbit in Red lounge" on them, then you see the matches again when Dr. Loomis sees the tow truck in part 1
Thanks Hack Slash.

[Titan]

I'm just going to wait until it is released and see it before I get an opinion about it. I will be there opening day to see this since I am a fan of Rob Zombie when it comes to music. When it comes to movies I didn't his House of 1000 Corpses was terrible and I absolutly loved The Devils Rejects so I want to wait before I have any sory of opinion on this one.

[BlakeTyner]

I just watched the trailer and when the theme started playing, I was really stoked. I'm not sure I really dig the battered mask but there are three things that will put my ass in the seat for Halloween: 1) McDowell as Loomis, 2) Ken Foree, and 3) Clint Howard.

Yes. I will be there.

~Blake

[Ron]

I didn't realize that Ken Foree was such a heavyweight in the horror genre..i just saw the original DOTD. He's a really good actor.

[hack slash]

I'm flipping through channels and Dukes of Hazzard(TV series) is on and the guest star on it is a young skinnier Sid Haig:lol:

[Gringo Loco]

I'm flipping through channels and Dukes of Hazzard(TV series) is on and the guest star on it is a young skinnier Sid Haig:lol:

Lol that's wild. I wonder what he is like off screen. After seeing HO1KC and TDR I can't picture him being anything BUT Captain Spaulding.

[hack slash]

it's on CMT right now if you get that channel

[Gringo Loco]

Ah cool. I'll tune into that right now. Thanks for the heads up.
ADDED:
Man, he is way thinner lol. He still has the beard, mustashe, and bald head too heh.

[CampNewBlood]

Oooo......I love the Dukes of Hazzard....lol. I have all of the tv seasons, and the remake movie and the prequel/sequel whatever it is. :D

And about Rob Zombie's Halloween, I will go see it out of curiosity and to see Danielle Harris in another Halloween film. I still think he should have cast her as Laurie Strode. She was really good in 4 & 5.

[Ron]

I can't wait to see the new Loomis:side:

[Lammert]

Like the TCM remake I'm not going to compare this to the original Halloween. I'm going to watch this open minded.

[Ron]

hopefully it will be as well done as the TCM remake. I also am going to go into this with an open mind.

[DRE]

This is an excerpt from a new review at AICN:

Let's move on to what I did like:

The physical presence and prowess of adult Michael Myers on screen is impressive and adds a different kind of violent side to him. He doesn't just kill with a knife...he will pick you up and slam you against the wall until you stop twitching, or he'll burst through a wall to chase you. It's a nice change from just your typical weapon-wielding killer.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong but...we know Zombie has Jason-ized his Shape but, will Myers now be credited with THAT persona now?

"It's a nice change from just your typical weapon wielding killer" This guy obviously has never seen a Friday film before.

I blame Ronny Yu for this. The first film with Jason in it to truly crossover to the masses and he gives us an extra tall "Myers-like" Jason, and now Zombie decides to return the favor.

[Gringo Loco]

I hoping that what the reviewer was talking about was the last few Halloween movies. Michael was definitely one dimensional so I could see how he would come to that conclusion.

[DRE]

No, he said he never saw any Halloween but the original, and he fell asleep on that.

[Gringo Loco]

No, he said he never saw any Halloween but the original, and he fell asleep on that.

Oh ok. Well then the guy clearly has no idea what he is talking about.

[Melanie Jarvis]

Well, I'm kind of nervous about the new Halloween. I read the first review of the film on the official Myspace page, and the critic said that it was great, but of course, not as classic as the original. I never expected it to be better than the original, but to hear that it's great makes my nerves settle down a bit.

[CosmoBubba]

The physical presence and prowess of adult Michael Myers on screen is impressive and adds a different kind of violent side to him. He doesn't just kill with a knife...he will pick you up and slam you against the wall until you stop twitching, or he'll burst through a wall to chase you. It's a nice change from just your typical weapon-wielding killer.

This guy obviously has never seen a Friday film before.

Yeah, really. The guy must have missed the running gag through pretty much all the F13 movies, where Jason plows through a door or a window at 90 miles an hour before he gives some poor fool the worst ass-kicking of their entire lives.

[Ron]

i'd rather an average sized myers over a towering giant, but thats just me.

[jayTL]

with all the reviews and everything, I can see this to be a forgettable slasher, but it no one can forget it...its fucking Halloween.

And from someone who loathes 80's slashers...it's looking more and more like one. Over the top gore, massive killer, etc.

[Melanie Jarvis]

You hate 80's slashers??? Yet you're on an F13 forum... you can't loathe them too much.

[nickmeece]

You hate 80's slashers??? Yet you're on an F13 forum... you can't loathe them too much.

Thinking the same thing.

The SHOCK TIL YOU DROP interview his excellent.

[Dave Dunwoody]

I think he meant Zombie. ;)

[Melanie Jarvis]

Well, if that's the case, then my apologies for the misunderstanding.

[jayTL]

me likey the blood and gore and sex!

Rob Zombie said he did not, yet made a movie that mirrors one, so I'm confused.

[Just Jeans]

For anyone who hasn't seen it -- or who might just want to see it again -- I've added the trailer to my first post in the thread (god bless YouTube tags).

[Spade]

When I first heard Rob Zombie was doing Halloween, I was against it. But after watching that trailer I'm starting to change my mind.

Take care and God bless.

Spade

[Brett H.]

I don't want any spoilers, but was the AICN review positive?

[Wheatjedi]

I just read that R. Lee Ermey is in the film playing Dr. Wynn. I guess he filmed his scenes during the recent pick-ups, because that's fairly new to me.

[Gringo Loco]

I just read that R. Lee Ermey is in the film playing Dr. Wynn. I guess he filmed his scenes during the recent pick-ups, because that's fairly new to me.


Where did you read this? If that is true, I wonder if they are ever going to use the Thorn storyline. :eek:

[Ron]

Nah, the thorn story probably will stay on the shelf for now. I think RZ is just trying to populate the film with names familar to the series.

[The Dream Master]

That, and Dr. Wynn actually did appear in the original film, too.

[Gringo Loco]

That, and Dr. Wynn actually did appear in the original film, too.

I didn't know this. And here I thought I was paying attention hehe.

[The Dream Master]

Yeah, he's the doctor who's walking with Loomis when he's leaving Smith's Grove the day after Michael escapes. Loomis tells him that "someone around here must have been giving [Michael] lessons," and Wynn confirms this in the sixth film.

[Gringo Loco]

Yeah, he's the doctor who's walking with Loomis when he's leaving Smith's Grove the day after Michael escapes. Loomis tells him that "someone around here must have been giving [Michael] lessons," and Wynn confirms this in the sixth film.


Dr. Wynn confirms that someone gave Michael lessons in driving?? :eek: I feel like I've been watching the wrong movies all this time. Although I do remember the guy Loomis is talking to about the driving lessons. Is the confirmation scene on the P-Cut of part 6 or just the official DVD release?

[The Dream Master]

The regular, theatrical cut of H6 contains that scene. Wynn goes through this whole thing explaining how he'd been grooming Michael, and at the end he tells Loomis that he even taught Michael how to drive.

[Gringo Loco]

Oh wow, I guess I need to see part 6 again. Thanks for the heads up.

And on topic, I will go see this opening day, either around 4pm or if I go with friends, then we'll see it around 7pm.

[Wheatjedi]

Where did you read this? If that is true, I wonder if they are ever going to use the Thorn storyline. :eek:

I read it on Wikipedia. I haven't checked the official site yet, but I don't think it's a joke. As for using Thorn.... I really really really hope not.

[Ron]

I think the whole thorn storyline was a huge mistake.

[Gringo Loco]

Quint over at AICN interviewed Rob. Here's the link. (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/33454//)

[killingvector]

Rob is strangely fixated on the driving and clean overall issues from the original. Frankly, these plot points were peripheral to the boogeyman storyline.

I fear though I will hate the first half of Rob's film; there is nothing more gratuitous to a horror movie than a backstory. Skin cancer, trailer trash parents...same wolf, different clothing.

[hack slash]

Comic-Con '07: Halloween Footage!
Source: Edward DouglasJuly 27, 2007


Director Rob Zombie showed up at Comic-Con International to debut some footage from his upcoming remake of Halloween, joined by Tyler Mane (X-Men) who plays the new Michael Myers, actress Scout Taylor-Compton who takes on the Jamie Lee Curtis role of Laurie Strode, and Zombie's wife Sheri Moon, who plays Myers' stripper mother.
The footage shown was a scene of Michael Myers stalking Laurie through a house and it was as moody and creepy as the original John Carpenter version of the scene where she's hiding from Myers in a closet and he finds her and starts smashing the door in. She gets away from him but then hides in a crawlspace and Myers starts hitting the ceiling with some large object that was either a bat or an axe. He keep hitting the ceiling knocking away large portions and exposing her location and she screams appropriately, but as hard as she tries keeping away from him, eventually there isn't enough left of the crawlspace to keep her in hiding and the clip ends with her falling through the hole that Myers made and the Halloween logo.


The floor was then opened for questions from the audience, but there wasn't anything really new or groundbreaking. Zombie's still working hard on the film, which is why it wasn't screened at Comic-Con despite it opening in a month.

[DRE]

Yeah, I also saw an interview with Zombie on G4's Comic-Con special, where he once again bashes Friday the 13th, saying "Where something like Friday the 13th had characters waiting around to be killed in stupid ways." or something to that effect. It would be nice for him to shut the fuck up about that other franchise and focus on his film.

I will still be there on opening night, regardless of his dickery.

[hack slash]

From Zombie's Myspace
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=101946169&blogID=292919801

I just want to thank all of you who came down to our Halloween panel yesterday. The turn out was awesome.

I was very excited to premiere the new trailer, which by the way should be on-line anyday now.

I know it seems like forever, but the returm of Michael is almost here.

[Jason's Storm]

The only thing I don't like is making Myer's quaint homesetting from old Midwest family, to a very troubled home. I just like the idea, that one day, something came over him and he snapped, and has never been the same since.

~JS

[Violent VictiM]

This movie is going to rock. Hopefully after everyone's socks come off in the theater, and your wigs get pushed back 5 inches so now you're rockin' the Hulk Hogan, people will embrace a Friday the 13th remake.

Mark my words...it will rock. Rock in the sense of, it will be not great, but somewhere along the lines of three steps beyond decent, ya dig?

[Rich]

Here is the scene in the original involving Dr. Wynn:

- Wynn: There's nothing I can do Sam.
- Loomis: You can get back in there, get on that telephone and tell them who walked out of there last night and tell them where he is going.
- Wynn: Probably going...
- Loomis: I'm wasting my time.
- Wynn: Sam, Haddonfield is 150 miles away from here, now for god's sake he can't drive a car.
- Loomis: He was doing very well last night! Maybe someone around here gave him lessons.

[D-Lo]

I don't know about that mask...they should have kept it cleaner looking. It looked scarier that way.

[Killa Pimp]

Yeah, I also saw an interview with Zombie on G4's Comic-Con special, where he once again bashes Friday the 13th, saying "Where something like Friday the 13th had characters waiting around to be killed in stupid ways." or something to that effect. It would be nice for him to shut the fuck up about that other franchise and focus on his film.I will still be there on opening night, regardless of his dickery.

Co - Sign.
I thought the exact same thing!
Why keep bashing on Friday?
Its not like the Friday Pre/Sequel is starting on the same day.

[DarkPumpkin]

The only thing I don't like is making Myer's quaint homesetting from old Midwest family, to a very troubled home. I just like the idea, that one day, something came over him and he snapped, and has never been the same since.

~JS

I couldn't have said it better myself, JS. I was even annoyed with the Halloween novelization, in which Michael had been hearing voices since he was a child and apparently this rage was something that had ran in the family. I much better like not knowing why he snapped, only that he did snap.

[hack slash]

HOLY SHIT...MY wife is watching the 2 Corey's on A&E and it just showed a TV spot for HALLOWEEN and all I can say is O....M....G:D

[nickmeece]

Can you describe the TV spot, please?

Oh, and about the new young Michael storyline. Rob has mentioned in a recent interview that we've all been misguided. Rob claims that Michael's broken home is NOT the reason for rage. He claims it's the same as the original. Only this time he snaps a little earlier in the day.

[hack slash]

don't know if I needed to but I decided to put it in spoilers

it showed Michael as a kid wearing the mask(young Michael wearing the mask is actually creepy looking) standing over William Forsythe taping him down to a table with duct tape , It showed Laurie and Tommy talking about the boogeyman and they look up and Michael was looking through the door and then he puts his fist through it and alot of other stuff ending with Michael putting the 2x4 through the ceiling and Laurie falling through the hole

[Rich]

Rob does bash Friday the 13th way too much. He seems to come across as one of those pig headed critics who don't understand the horror genre.

Once again though, his contunial bashing of Friday in a way is flattering to Friday, because that is Rob achnowledging the fact that there is another series that is just as popular as the one he just re-started. He knows that there will always be the Friday vs. Halloween debate amoung the horror movie world. Rob, I guess is just taking his stand. That is fine by me. Rob can take his stand and I'll take mine on the Friday the 13th side of the line.

How can he talk about Friday being stupid people just waiting to get killed when he just had to reshoot like four more deaths fill of gore anyway? What an idiot.

[hack slash]

How can he talk about Friday being stupid people just waiting to get killed when he just had to reshoot like four more deaths fill of gore anyway? What an idiot.

that's just about every slasher movie, People waiting to get killed:D

[Rich]

That is true too, hack. So once again, what the heck is Rob's problem. Well I have got to admit, I am looking foward to this movie now, because it is basically the only movie left this year that I care about.

It will be cool to see Brad Dourif in it though. Isn't he playing Sheriff Bracket? I think he is. I think he was a good choice.

I still think that the original Sheriff Bracket would have made a good new Dr. Loomis. I don't care for the new Dr. Loomis at all. I saw and herd enough of him in the trailer to know that I do not like him already.

[DRE]

Malcolm McDowell is great in just about everything he does, after all, he did kill Captain James T. Kirk and punked Captain Jean-Luc Picard. Now he will do the same to Michael Myers.

[Deathscythe]

Am I the only one that doesn't like the mask in this movie? It reminds me of the H20 one. I like it better when you cant see his eyes.

[Rich]

I think the mask is the closest one to the original mask we may ever get, minus the dirt and grime. I don't have an opinion on the dirt on it yet, because that may or may not be some kind of story element. I'll just have to wait and see about that one, but as far as the shape and features on it, I think it is pretty damn close to the original.

The poster sucks really bad though.

[The Dream Master]

Indeed it does, Rich. My local theater has it, and it doesn't look much better up close. It's way too busy. I did think the blue-tinted one that Jeans made was an improvement, though.

[Deathscythe]

I have the poster for the original attached to my wall.

But its not like Halloween is known for having great posters, I only like the original one and the H5 one.

[The Dream Master]

I actually like the poster for part two (the one with the pumpkin). Also, I'm not sure if the VHS/DVD cover for Halloween 3 is the same as the original poster, but I really liked it, too.

[Scarecrow]

Any news of a UK release date yet?


- Scarecrow

[hack slash]

HERE'S THE TV SPOT FROM LAST NIGHT ON SPIKE

http://youtube.com/watch?v=V8TxggeUQDg

[Lammert]

Can't wait to see this movie! I'm so curious about this...

[Wheatjedi]

I think the mask is the closest one to the original mask we may ever get, minus the dirt and grime. I don't have an opinion on the dirt on it yet, because that may or may not be some kind of story element. I'll just have to wait and see about that one, but as far as the shape and features on it, I think it is pretty damn close to the original.

The poster sucks really bad though.

The mask having a very dirty appearance does indeed have some significance in the story. It's first seen when Michael is a little boy and kills his sister, her boyfriend and the stepfather. It is then recovered by adult Michael 17 years later when he returns to Haddonfield. It was hidden away... thus the dirtiness.

As for the poster... I don't really like it either, but the one I have was given to me by Danielle Harris at Texas Frightmare Weekend (she took it down and gave it to me when she left for the airport), so I'll hang on to it. :)

[Titan]

The more I see and read about this the more I can't wait to see it. It feels like it was years ago when we started talking about this remake.

[Jack Bauer]

I'm still split between seeing this or Kevin Bacon owning street thugs Death Wish style because they both come out on the same day.

[killingvector]

I think the mask is the closest one to the original mask we may ever get, minus the dirt and grime. I don't have an opinion on the dirt on it yet, because that may or may not be some kind of story element. I'll just have to wait and see about that one, but as far as the shape and features on it, I think it is pretty damn close to the original.

The poster sucks really bad though.

Besides of course Halloween 2 which simply was the mask from the original picture on a different 'actor.'

You could be right, but this one still leaves alot to be desired, especially since I have seen independant mask makers create terrific facsimiles of the original modified Shatner.

[The Dream Master]

I saw the TV spot today, and it didn't really affect me in a positive way. There just seems to be something off about this whole thing. I'll still be there opening night, but honestly, my enthusiasm is very tempered right now.

[Just Jeans]

Why should there be a Friday vs. Halloween debate? I've never quite gotten that -- I'd just as soon watch both franchises and call it a day.

[nickmeece]

If you watch the new TV spot in slow-mo, you can clearly see young Michael wearing the clean Shape mask. Looks damn accurate!

[Sketch Sanchez]

I'm still split between seeing this or Kevin Bacon owning street thugs Death Wish style because they both come out on the same day.

Say what now?

[Ron]

If you watch the new TV spot in slow-mo, you can clearly see young Michael wearing the clean Shape mask. Looks damn accurate!

I maybe completley wrong here, but isn't the mask supposed to have been buried for some time while Michael is at Smith's Grove??

[mcilroga]

I'm still split between seeing this or Kevin Bacon owning street thugs Death Wish style because they both come out on the same day.

Ah, will you be seeing Jodie Foster "own street thugs Death Wish style" in The Brave One (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0476964/) as well?

[hack slash]

Ah, will you be seeing Jodie Foster "own street thugs Death Wish style" in The Brave One (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0476964/) as well?

that comes out 2 weeks later:p

[nickmeece]

I maybe completley wrong here, but isn't the mask supposed to have been buried for some time while Michael is at Smith's Grove??

Yes. Young Michael buries it after killing Judith, and then 17 years later, digs it up.

[mcilroga]

that comes out 2 weeks later:p

I know. ;) I was actually just curious.

[hack slash]

on Zombie's Myspace page it says the new full length trailer will debut on Yahoomovies.com tommorow
ADDED:
another different TV SPOT

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6Z2yfURNTFw

[jayTL]

I "meh"ed......

[hack slash]

http://a753.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/123/m_0f262000ac7b9f769b3eaf31cce1b1f8.jpg
ADDED:
NEW TRAILER
http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809784517/video/3545602/

[CosmoBubba]

http://a753.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/123/m_0f262000ac7b9f769b3eaf31cce1b1f8.jpg

So Michael's Halloween costume as a kid was a mash-up of the masks Gwar and Slipknot wear?

[Killa Pimp]

So Michael's Halloween costume as a kid was a mash-up of the masks Gwar and Slipknot wear?


:lmao:
I was thinking the same thing!

[Jenosis]

That mask looks like Leatherface's mask in Texas Chainsaw Massacre: Next Generation. :X

[French Friday]

Good, I almost don't want to kill young Michael anymore.

It seems Michael stays The Shape so that's good. The only disappointment in the new trailer was the score. Until the final use of the Halloween theme, it felt nothing like Halloween. I really hope the score in the film will sound like Halloween and not like any other gritty horror movie.

[Melanie Jarvis]

I had a dream last night that this movie sucked. Hopefully it wasn't a foreshadowing.

[Rich]

I like the new trailer better. One scene looks like one of the babysitters was trying to make out with Tommy.

[The Dream Master]

I started to watch the new trailer today, but it was showing way too much for my liking. I don't have high hopes for this, so it's best I go in not seeing very much I guess.

On the positive side, I do think Scout is going to be pretty decent in this. Of all the trailers/tv spots I've seen, she's consistently seemed good in the role of Laurie.

[Gringo Loco]

The mask looks good. Tyler Mane's hair does not. Also, did Zombie have to throw in the Charles Manson line? This guy is obsessed with violent death. It's definitely disturbing.

[killingvector]

The mask the kid wears is much more interesting to me than the older, worn out version he wears later.

The Mane cut bothers me; the newspaper clippings seem eeriely reminiscent of the Chainsaw remake. Could do without those.

The music was terrible, hopefully not representative of the theatrical version.

So far, it's a wash.


I can definitely see Zombie doing a film about the Manson killings at some point.

[Just Jeans]

Does anyone have this new trailer in downloadable format? I don't want to watch it in grainy YouTube quality, and the link for Yahoo Movies simply will not play for me. It refuses to stream.

[El Rooto]

I like the new trailer better than the old one. Maybe I will see this one.

[Autobotsdie]

I just read that R. Lee Ermey is in the film playing Dr. Wynn. I guess he filmed his scenes during the recent pick-ups, because that's fairly new to me.
It seems that he is every where all of a sudden.

[El Rooto]

It seems that he is every where all of a sudden.

R. Lee Ermey for Crazy Ralph in Friday redux!

[Big Bad Wolf]

I've argued a great deal for this film on other boards, but I'm sick of fighting, so I'm just going to put in my 2 cents.

Myself, I'm looking forward to it. The remake as a fad is stupid, but that doesn't mean that every film under it has to be. That said, I think the ones that take a little more liberty in remaking their respective films end up being better than the ones that try to play it safe. Case('s) in point: Dawn of the Dead & The Texas Chainsaw Massacre. DotD took some liberty, and turned out great. The new TCM almost could have been called a sequel, if the setting had been changed just a little bit. The reason I think this is, a remake that tries more to be it's own thing will be judged a little more as it's own thing, and there is more room for success. But when it tries too hard to replicate past success, it opens more room for dissapointing comparison, and pales in comparison as a result.

As for Halloween, I think people have taken it a little too seriously. And it doesn't help when so many people unknowingly take to hypocrisy to argue. For example, someone could rant about a lack of originality these days one second, and then the next, they'll rant about the changes that were made. These people just tend to be un-pleasable, so there's no point in arguing with them.

Now, as I was saying, this latest Halloween is going to be different. It's not going to be John Carpenter's film. However, will it be good? No one can give any definite answers, but one can infer as to how it looks from what we've seen, and in my opinion, it looks like it will be a good movie. I think it's a little annoying by how much nitpicking there is on a film that is not yet released, but to me, the most annoying nitpicking stems from Michael's backstory.

Let me use a random-yet-not-so-random metaphor here. A man catches a cold, yes? Now, we can observe him progress into getting more and more sick, but showing the progression doesn't mean we know how he came into contact with the infectious germs that would give it to him. Sure, we can come up with possibilities, but no solid answers. Same with Michael Myers. We're not going to see why he went insane. We're going to see him go insane. We're going to watch him progress further and further into insanity until he becomes the Michael Myers we all know and love.

Another thing people often whine about is the not-so-shiny portrayal of the world around this Michael Myers. They think it's stupid that it's not a picture-perfect world, with a white picket fence around his house, and rich parents. The fact is, the world isn't like that. It's not all black, all white, or even grey. It's peppered with bits of everything, good and bad. This film has been dismissed as another trashy effort by Rob Zombie. But, as is seen in several stills and footage, that isn't exactly the case. Yes, there are some "trashy" elements, like Michael's family, but it isn't as if the entire world around him is like that. For Rob Zombie to acknowledge that these things exist in this world as it does in ours, that adds to the most scary aspect of Michael Myers. The reality. Yes, he is like a boogeyman, The Shape, a supernatural being. But it is not in what he is, what he is made of, that makes him that. It is what he does that makes him seem that way, and I think that this can still be with this new Michael Myers.

This is all merely my opinion and no one has to agree with it. I only ask that you read it with an open mind, and take it into consideration without bias.

[Autobotsdie]

R. Lee Ermey for Crazy Ralph in Friday redux!

Can you imagine as Freddy barking out orders: "Listen you little maggot drop and give me 50 or I'll slice you up real good."

[Hockey Mask]

Let me use a random-yet-not-so-random metaphor here. A man catches a cold, yes? Now, we can observe him progress into getting more and more sick, but showing the progression doesn't mean we know how he came into contact with the infectious germs that would give it to him. Sure, we can come up with possibilities, but no solid answers.

Also using a metaphor...

Looks like Zombie has a bad case of the shits.

[El Rooto]

...

*snort*

[Big Bad Wolf]

Also using a metaphor...

Looks like Zombie has a bad case of the shits.

I have an idea. Why don't you give me one solid reason why you feel you should be the example under the word Pessimism in the dictionary?

[The Dream Master]

Not to speak for HM, but he has every right to be pessimistic, just as you have the right to be optimistic. While I generally prefer optimism, there have been plenty of negative folks on this (and the old) forum that contributed in a thoughtful manner without attacking other posters personally. There's no reason why we can't have opposing viewpoints as long as we discuss those opinions respectfully.

Another thing people often whine about is the not-so-shiny portrayal of the world around this Michael Myers. They think it's stupid that it's not a picture-perfect world, with a white picket fence around his house, and rich parents. The fact is, the world isn't like that. It's not all black, all white, or even grey. It's peppered with bits of everything, good and bad.

See, the fact that Zombie is going this route is my main contention because it fails to grasp the core concept of Carpenter's Halloween: the fact that there is, in fact, a pure evil, and Michael is just that. He didn't have a rough childhood or anything of that nature; he just simply snapped for no reason at all. That's a lot scarier to me than Zombie's vision.

The more I think about this remake, I keep coming to one conclusion: there's simply no way to remake Halloween. There's simply not much you can do with the concept, and once you stray too far (as Zombie seems to have done, in my opinion), you end up with an entirely different film altogether, albeit with the Halloween name slapped on anyway.

[Just Jeans]

I don't think Michael's home life has to be perfect, but I don't think it needs to be as seedy as the picture Zombie is painting in this film. A troubled upbringing is one thing -- I've even tinkered with that idea myself (I really need to finish that story) -- but, in the early draft, there was no nuance. No subtly.

Of course there's a good chance that things have changed between early draft and final film. In fact I'm sure they have. But the core element that is Michael's extremely horrible childhood appears to have remained mostly in tact. It's not my favorite aspect of the remake.

Anyhoo, I still haven't seen the trailer, but I did catch a TV spot last night, and it looked pretty okay. I liked some of the camera work during the scenes with Michael trying to get at Laurie.

Although I had to rewind the TV spot a couple of times and have a listen, because I swear I heard a bit of the "ki-ki-ki ma-ma-ma" sound during the TV spot. :eek: It was quite disarming.

[Big Bad Wolf]

Well, one must keep in mind how much of an early draft that was. There are characters in the final film that were not even in that draft. Rob Zombie himself even said that PETA will have nothing to worry about, so I doubt he's going to be having any happy time looking at dead animals.

As for him having a rough childhood, people seem to immediatly think that that's his reasoning for going insane. But honestly, think about this people. Do you honestly think that a not-so-perfect childhood is enough to spawn THE Michael Myers? People are confusing a slow progression into insanity with an explanation, which has been said is non-existant.

The original Halloween showed how shocking it was for a boy with a perfect life to go insane and become Michael Myers. But what this film is saying is that it's shocking for someone with any kind of life to become Michael Myers, because the very idea is just so bizzare, it's hard to believe that anyone could become such a being. In a way, it's actually bringing the supernatural aspect up a notch, while at the exact same time, presenting a more realistic world, and in doing that is making him more real, and in hightening these aspects, it's goal is to make Michael Myers scary again.

[Deathscythe]

See, the fact that Zombie is going this route is my main contention because it fails to grasp the core concept of Carpenter's Halloween: the fact that there is, in fact, a pure evil, and Michael is just that. He didn't have a rough childhood or anything of that nature; he just simply snapped for no reason at all. That's a lot scarier to me than Zombie's vision.

The more I think about this remake, I keep coming to one conclusion: there's simply no way to remake Halloween. There's simply not much you can do with the concept, and once you stray too far (as Zombie seems to have done, in my opinion), you end up with an entirely different film altogether, albeit with the Halloween name slapped on anyway.

I agree, I like him just evil. I love when Loomis says that line in the original (when he said something like 'there was nothing left, the blackest eyes, the devils eyes, etc.).

[Erik]

I'm still split between seeing this or Kevin Bacon owning street thugs Death Wish style because they both come out on the same day.

I say go for Death Sentence. That movie looks kick ass. I'm still unconvinced about Halloween though.

[The Dream Master]

As for him having a rough childhood, people seem to immediatly think that that's his reasoning for going insane. But honestly, think about this people. Do you honestly think that a not-so-perfect childhood is enough to spawn THE Michael Myers? People are confusing a slow progression into insanity with an explanation, which has been said is non-existant.

The original Halloween showed how shocking it was for a boy with a perfect life to go insane and become Michael Myers. But what this film is saying is that it's shocking for someone with any kind of life to become Michael Myers, because the very idea is just so bizzare, it's hard to believe that anyone could become such a being. In a way, it's actually bringing the supernatural aspect up a notch, while at the exact same time, presenting a more realistic world, and in doing that is making him more real, and in hightening these aspects, it's goal is to make Michael Myers scary again.

The thing is, from what I've read and see this isn't the Michael Myers at all. Instead, it's a Zombie-crafted psychopath who happens to wear Myers's mask. Maybe I'll be wrong about this because I obviously haven't seen the film yet, but that's the vibe I'm getting.

Also, the fact that a kid who goes through this kind of childhood snaps and goes psychotic isn't shocking at all. In fact, it's a borderline cliche in my book. Besides that, it's not what Halloween is about, and therefore, it's too radical a change. As I said, I really don't think it's possible to remake Halloween.

[Big Bad Wolf]

Also, the fact that a kid who goes through this kind of childhood snaps and goes psychotic isn't shocking at all. In fact, it's a borderline cliche in my book. But can you honestly say that Michael Myers is like any other psychopath? And as I've said several times, despite the life he has, we're not going to know why he goes crazy. All we'll get to see, is how he slowly progresses from normal little boy to the most terrifying killer to grace the screen.

[The Dream Master]

Well, I can't say anything about this Myers, yet. The old Myers definately wasn't the normal psychopath, which is what made the character more fascinating. In my opinion, the direction that Zombie seems to be taking makes his Myers seem more like the ordinary psychopath.

[Rich]

The original Myers was not a "psychopath," he was evil on two legs...period. This Myers will be a totally different character.

[killingvector]

Zombie himself said there wasn't a rationalization of the kid's psychosis, merely a showcase of who he was as a child as a prerequisite for the carnage in the third act.

[El Rooto]

So he made Myers trailer-trash because he could?

Fuck it.

[killingvector]

Yeah, I hear ya. Don't know why he needed to come from such a home. I guess Rob is drawing from his experiences...I think a quiet, unassuming suburban home hiding such a nightmare is much more frightening.

[El Rooto]

I agree...

[Undrtkerkane]

Well, I can't say anything about this Myers, yet. The old Myers definately wasn't the normal psychopath, which is what made the character more fascinating. In my opinion, the direction that Zombie seems to be taking makes his Myers seem more like the ordinary psychopath.

I agree, the original Myers there was no reason for him snapping or stalking anyone, he just did it...in this new movie, looks me he is a humanish form of Jason and instead of stalking people he will walk through walls to get to them.

Frankly I like the suspense of the original better, I think that is why it did so well :) :jason: :dead:

[sCabbOy]

I thought the trailer was horrible. I really hated the fact that they showed Michael and I thought the whole long hair and "look" was ridiculous.

Just my 2 cents. I'm sure the movie will be better than that crappy trailer.

[The Dream Master]

The scene from the trailer that apparently depicts Michael's escape looks beyond horrible. I really don't like the portayal of Michael as a hulking, beastly brute.

[The Tall Man]

I swear to you in the few TV Spots for Zombieween I've started to see, that when Myers picks up the mask, they edited in a "chh chh chh...". I SWEAR I heard it.

The spots also give away the ending... "Was that the boogeyman? **SMASH!**

T.M.

[Deathscythe]

I swear to you in the few TV Spots for Zombieween I've started to see, that when Myers picks up the mask, they edited in a "chh chh chh...". I SWEAR I heard it.

Me too!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mec6PgpcnTA

Around the 15-17 second mark, I hear the chh chh chh theme as well.

[Just Jeans]

...when Myers picks up the mask, they edited in a "chh chh chh...".

I mentioned this (http://www.f13-community.co.uk/board/showpost.php?p=16106&postcount=122) two days ago. No one corroborated it so I assumed I was hearing things.

[The Dream Master]

Trailers borrow music from other films all the time (for example, the trailer for Death Sentence borrows the main theme from 28 Days Later), but this one boggles my mind if that's what it sounds like.

[The Tall Man]

DM, Manfredini's "chh chh chh" isn't a piece of music. It's a sound effect. Both Friday 8 and FvsJ give Manfredini a credit for it because it was something he invented that was original they used in some manner (though why 8 credits it, I've no idea). If this is in fact what we think it is... it's just theft, plain and simple. It'd be like dubbing Godzilla's voice over your new monster in a trailer.

T.M.

[The Dream Master]

Yeah, I agree with you 100%. That's why I said it was mind-boggling. I kind of typed up that post in a hurry, but I meant to say that this example is completely different from just using a bit of music from another film. Given that it's taking it directly from another horror franchise, it's even more mind-boggling.

[Just Jeans]

If this is in fact what we think it is... it's just theft, plain and simple.

If, like many sound effects, it has been made public in an official FX library, it's not theft at all (you'll find many sound effects are entered into a sort of licensing domain where by sound editors can just pick and chose the sounds they want.) I recall hearing the same exact roaring sound effect used in both Doctor Who and Smallville last year.

I do however find it ironic that Rob Zombie tears into Friday the 13th on multiple occasions, and then a sound editor uses a bit of Friday the 13th in the TV spots. :lol:

[Scarecrow]

It IS genuinly linked to horror by a general public and, in fact, often the whole Jason/chainsaw/Myers/halloween/chchch is all blurred into one... I guess this is just confirmation of that. :p


- Scarecrow

[Jigsaw]

Yeah, I also saw an interview with Zombie on G4's Comic-Con special, where he once again bashes Friday the 13th, saying "Where something like Friday the 13th had characters waiting around to be killed in stupid ways." or something to that effect. It would be nice for him to shut the fuck up about that other franchise and focus on his film.


I agree, Rob really needs to shut his trap about slasher films, especially when (from the sound of it) this movie has plenty of slasher elements in it. When he mouths off like he does he sounds like he's full of himself. I mean seriously, this movie wasn't made with the intention of competing with other Horror film sagas, and why he brought up that remark is beyond me. I hate it when people are opinionated like that.

On the film, I'm still unsure of it. I'll see Death Sentence on opening day for sure, and if I still have some money left I might go see this too.

[DRE]

Both Friday 8 and FvsJ give Manfredini a credit for it because it was something he invented that was original they used in some manner (though why 8 credits it, I've no idea).

Because JTM was the first Friday film without a Manfredini score. The sound effect is built into Harry's scores, and since Fred Mollin now had to do the same they had to credit the creator of said sound.

Whenever that sound effect is used on screen in a Friday film that is not scored by Harry Manfredini, he has to be credited.

[The Tall Man]

Absolutely right, Dre, but what confuses me is that Mollin didn't use Manfredini's "chh chh chh ha ha ha ha" (or ki-ki-ki ma-ma-ma-ma, for you purists out there). He used "Jason-jason-jason-jason" and "ha ha ha ha" (which made Scabboy think Jason was laughing).

I know why FvsJ had to do it, but it's a little odd they still credited Manfredini when 8 didn't use his "Jason Sound Effect". Oh well, I'm probably just overthinking it.

Jeans, since they still have to credit Manfredini, his Jason Sound Effect is probably NOT public domain.

T.M.

[DRE]

Absolutely right, Dre, but what confuses me is that Mollin didn't use Manfredini's "chh chh chh ha ha ha ha" (or ki-ki-ki ma-ma-ma-ma, for you purists out there). He used "Jason-jason-jason-jason" and "ha ha ha ha" (which made Scabboy think Jason was laughing).

TM, I think that's why the actual credit reads "Original Jason Sound Effect created by Harry Manfredini" no matter how they arrange it, he still created the concept and must be rightfully acknowledged.


As long as that sound is not used in the actual Halloween film, I'm fine with it. Rob has "borrowed" enough from that "stupid" franchise, but it's not like this is anything new, Friday and Halloween have borrowed plenty from each other over the years.

[Jigsaw]

Ultimately, this film will make or break Rob's filmmaking career. I enjoyed both HO1KC and TDR, but being that this is a remake of one of the most sacred Horror films of all-time, Rob is walking on thin ice. This movie can either make him respected in the genre or hated, and we'll see come August 31st.

[DRE]

Ultimately, this film will make or break Rob's filmmaking career. I enjoyed both HO1KC and TDR, but being that this is a remake of one of the most sacred Horror films of all-time, Rob is walking on thin ice. This movie can either make him respected in the genre or hated, and we'll see come August 31st.

As the original Lynda would say, "Totally!"

[Jigsaw]

At best, it might turn out to be a respectable and decent remake (if one that still isn't warranted), but at worst, well, I think we all know the answer to that one. But if this movie pisses off the fans, Rob just might end up being Public Enemy Number 1 among many Halloween and Horror fans everywhere.

[Just Jeans]

Jeans, since they still have to credit Manfredini, his Jason Sound Effect is probably NOT public domain.

I didn't say public domain, I said it's probably in a public licensing domain, but that's bad wording. What I meant is that it's probably been included in a library of commercially available sound effects. Whenever a sound designer licenses it for use, Manfredini gets a tiny little paycheck (it's a bit like the Wilhelm scream. Whenever the Wilhelm scream turns up in a film, someone somewhere is making money off of it.)

[Deathscythe]

Also if the remake bombs, than I doubt we'd ever see a Halloween movie again.

[Jigsaw]

Also if the remake bombs, than I doubt we'd ever see a Halloween movie again.


If this movie bombs the Halloween series has had the final nail hammered on it's coffin.

[Just Jeans]

TM, I think that's why the actual credit reads "Original Jason Sound Effect created by Harry Manfredini" no matter how they arrange it, he still created the concept and must be rightfully acknowledged.

Anytime something that is "originally created by..." someone else appears in a film or TV show, the creator gets a credit. Returning monsters in Doctor Who -- as well as the theme tune -- are all credited to the original creator during the ending titles, no matter how wildly re-imagined the monster.

Mollin modified the shit out of the sound effect, but it was still very obviously based on Manfredini's, so Manfredini got his credit.

[Deathscythe]

I wonder if they'll make a sequel to the remake is its a sucess. I mean as in an actual sequel, not a remake on H2.

Damn, so many Halloween series:

Halloween
Halloween 2
Halloween 4
Halloween 5
Halloween 6

Halloween 3

Halloween
Halloween 2
Halloween H20
Halloween Resurrection

Halloween Remake

[Autobotsdie]

I finally saw the comercial for this yesterday on tv and was impressed by it.

[sCabbOy]

The scene from the trailer that apparently depicts Michael's escape looks beyond horrible. I really don't like the portayal of Michael as a hulking, beastly brute.

He looked like a Mankind/old Kane looking wrestler. Stupid.
ADDED:
If this movie bombs the Halloween series has had the final nail hammered on it's coffin.

For me, 5,6,7 and 8 were the nails the series needed.

A remake, no matter how bad it can be will never hold a candle to those turds.

[Deathscythe]

I can agre with that, part 4 was the last worthy movie in the series.

[The Tall Man]

Say what you want about the last few films, but at least they actually featured Michael Myers, the Shape.

T.M.

[sCabbOy]

See, I don't care who's in the films if I think they stink I won't like them. I can give a damn if "The Shape" is in them. I watch the movies for entertainment, not to see him.

[DRE]

Say what you want about the last few films, but at least they actually featured Michael Myers, the Shape.

T.M.

Good one.

I felt that Brad Loree's Myers was intimidating as hell, and he didn't need to be a nine foot tall dirty guy with long hair. Not judging Mane's version yet, I'm just stating the obvious.

[The Dream Master]

Say what you want about the last few films, but at least they actually featured Michael Myers, the Shape.

T.M.

Good call there. I'm hard pressed to find much good to say about the last two films, but I do like that they returned Michael to his "Shape" incarnation rather than the Jason-ripoff he became in Halloweens 4-6. I'd still rather watch those three before H20 and HR, though.

Also, even if this bombs, there will be another Halloween film somehow someday. It might be years and years, but someone will try to remake it, just like Dracula, Frankenstein, etc. have been remade over the years.

[Jigsaw]

I felt that Brad Loree's Myers was intimidating as hell, and he didn't need to be a nine foot tall dirty guy with long hair. Not judging Mane's version yet, I'm just stating the obvious.


Loree's performance (IMO) was pretty much the only good thing about Resurrection. He played Myers very well and it's a shame he didn't get another shot at playing the character. Whether Mane will be a good Myers remains to be seen, but Loree's Myers was a nice throwback to the Myers of the original film with more of an aggressive streak.

[DRE]

Loree's performance (IMO) was pretty much the only good thing about Resurrection. He played Myers very well and it's a shame he didn't get another shot at playing the character. Whether Mane will be a good Myers remains to be seen, but Loree's Myers was a nice throwback to the Myers of the original film with more of an aggressive streak.

Definitely, and Loree was so good that I could overlook the fact that he got punk'd by Busta Rhymes.

[The Dream Master]

Definitely, and Loree was so good that I could overlook the fact that he got punk'd by Busta Rhymes.

It wasn't that good for me. Nothing can erase the travesty that was that scene. It was absolutely shameful.

[sCabbOy]

It was a funny scene, IMO. That's one of the better ones in that movie.

[Jigsaw]

Definitely, and Loree was so good that I could overlook the fact that he got punk'd by Busta Rhymes.


That scene was such an embarrassment and insult to the character in every way. It was a pathetic attempt to make the movie "hip." And on the subject of Busta, his character actually didn't bother me in the film up until that scene (I enjoyed the scene where he's wearing the Myers mask and runs into the real Myers and gives his profane monologue. Even then though, it's a scene that should've been on the cutting room floor).

[sCabbOy]

That movie, and the 3 before were more of an embarrassment than that scene. What Julius can "punk" on Jason, but Busta can't?

[The Dream Master]

Julius didn't get away with it, though.

[Jigsaw]

I think both Julius' scene and Busta's scene were embarrassing. Julius' character was pretty likeable though aside from that one scene, and Busta was tolerable except for the ending.

[sCabbOy]

Julius didn't get away with it, though.

That's true, but he got some hits in. Too bad they were all against a hard plastic mask.

[Jigsaw]

I never understood why Julius kept hitting Jason on the mask, I mean it's built to withstand damage like that :rolleyes:

[The Dream Master]

I have no problems with Julius getting hits in on Jason, nor do I mind that Busta shit-talked Myers; the fact is that the former paid for his actions, while Michael simply walked away for no apparent reason from the latter. If Myers would have killed Busta right after his little tirade, I'd have no problems with the scene (besides the fact that it was rather stupid looking when Busta was cursing out Myers from behind the mask).

[DRE]

Creighton Duke is the only character that can "punk" any of the big four and get away with it. Duke rules all!

[Jigsaw]

I agree with that about Duke. IMO he was easily the best thing about JGTH and I always felt he should've been in a better and more deserving film.

[Deathscythe]

Brad Loree was good, but my favorite was Dick Warlock. The H2 Michael was creepy as hell. Rick Rosenthal definitly knows how to make a good Michael Myers.

[Jigsaw]

Dick Warlock is my favorite Myers as well. Very creepy and brutal and with more of a sense of determination. I think every actor in the original series though played the role well. Whether Mane will join their ranks remains to be seen until August 31st.

[The Tall Man]

See, I don't care who's in the films if I think they stink I won't like them. I can give a damn if "The Shape" is in them. I watch the movies for entertainment, not to see him.
Hey now... that's my rallying cry. ;) However, I'm pretty sure I'm gonna like any of the formal series better than Zombieween based on the fact that I detest Zombie's taste in music and movies styles.

It wasn't that good for me. Nothing can erase the travesty that was that scene. It was absolutely shameful.
Gosh, I just don't get the hate. None of that really mattered to me. So I say erase away.

This ONE really interesting thing to me was that they were seemingly setting up that Myers was an abused child and Busta talks to Myers the way an abusive father would to their son. So it made total sense to me that Myers just turns and walks away, perhaps like he did when he was younger.

And then somebody explained to me that the absued child angle was a hoax... Fuckers.

I still wish they would have went with the "Busta dies" ending and demand to know why it's not on the DVD.

T.M.

[El Rooto]

If it wasn't a rapper shouting at Michael, would anyone care?

Maybe, but...

[Utellme]

Cant wait for this movie.Michael looks awesome finally show some wear on this guy.Reminds me of what Buechler did for Jason's look in part 7

[The Dream Master]

If it wasn't a rapper shouting at Michael, would anyone care?

Maybe, but...

It's got nothing to do with that for me. I don't care who it is; no one should have been able to do that and live because it isn't consistent with Michael's character.

This ONE really interesting thing to me was that they were seemingly setting up that Myers was an abused child and Busta talks to Myers the way an abusive father would to their son. So it made total sense to me that Myers just turns and walks away, perhaps like he did when he was younger.

See, that would have made sense. In Rob Zombie's Halloween . :X

Nah, in all seriousness, if they had gone that route in HR, it would have at least made the scene a bit more forgivable. It's just a stupid scene as it is, though.

[The Tall Man]

DM, I was actually thinking of what you'd just said as I wrote the above. But then I thought "But H8 wasn't beating us over the head the way Zombie did." And plus... we have the real Myers still. ;)

T.M.

[killingvector]

The utter uselessness of Myers' gigantic size continues to bother me. RZ never fully explained why it was necessary and I still think it serves as another example of an idea too literally translated to the screen (i.e. Michael's determination and drive to kill).

Has anyone come up with a reason why the character needed to stand almost seven feet tall?

[El Rooto]

I keep thinking the same thing. Why do we need a BIG Michael?

[CosmoBubba]

There are way worse things than tall Michael. How, you ask? Since RZ has been casting all these cult figures from the horror genre, he could have had Warwick Davis play Michael.

[El Rooto]

The Leprechaun as Michael?

FUCK YEAH!

[DRE]

I think he's that big because Rob needs him to do extraordinary things while maintaining his "realistic" angle.

[Jigsaw]

Michael's normal size was one of the things that made him so effective in the first movie, the fact that a seemingly normal person wasn't so normal.

[The Dream Master]

DM, I was actually thinking of what you'd just said as I wrote the above. But then I thought "But H8 wasn't beating us over the head the way Zombie did." And plus... we have the real Myers still. ;)

T.M.

Actually, it's that imposter Myers that H20 introduced (even if the portrayal was more Shape-like). The real Myers is walking around looking for Steven from Halloween 6 as far as I'm concerned. I'm not one to ignore an entry or two just because I don't like them, but since H20 did it first, I'd say there's a choice as to which Halloween continuity you believe in.

Of course, both continuities are dead now, so I guess it really doesn't matter.

[nickmeece]

I like the idea of young Michael growing to be this monster. Nobody could have forseen a small, stringy haired awkward kid growing up to be a 7-foot madman. I love it, personally.

ADDED:
Also, It just goes even further to separate it from the original. JC's Michael was a normal kid, so he grew up normal. RZ's Michael is "awkward," so he grew up a taller than most...a little awkward, eh?

[sCabbOy]

I just think it goes without saying- Michael as a kid growing up to be a monster.

[hack slash]

Creighton Duke is the only character that can "punk" any of the big four and get away with it. Duke rules all!

the only thing Duke did was be cool, tell them how to stop Jason and get killed..so he really didn't do that much

[sCabbOy]

I still say Duke was all talk.

Trish fucked Jason up in Part IV with that clawhammer. That's a punking to be reckoned with.

[DRE]

Duke was smart to hang back and let the others do the dirty work. But he did sacrifice himself for the cause, no other character in the series did that but Brodski. Waylander was already dying when he blew the charge so that punk doesn't count.

Duke and Brodski are real men.

[sCabbOy]

Duke also sacrificed himself in X Files, so yeah he's a stand up dude for that.

[Deathscythe]

Screw Duke, its all about Crazy Ralph, messanger of GOD!:cool:

[The Tall Man]

the only thing Duke did was be cool... so he really didn't do that much
That's more than enough.

I'll take 1 cool Duke over 6 uncool Trishes anyday.

T.M.

[Deathscythe]

I'll take 6 uncool Trishes over 1 cool Duke in bed anyday. ;)

[Hockey Mask]

I have an idea. Why don't you give me one solid reason why you feel you should be the example under the word Pessimism in the dictionary?

I don't care for Zombie's previous work and I don't like the trailer and I don't like what I have heard that the storyline is taking. That is all.

[Autobotsdie]

I just hope Zombie didn't fuck with whole concept of what the Shape character really was. A vengful muderer.

[sCabbOy]

It's hard to ruin that concept. That's not what I am worried about. I am worried about him fucking up the backstory or at the least making it ridiculous.

[Autobotsdie]

From what I saw of the preview Zombie is focusing on Michael from his time he killed his sister to the time in the mental hospital until he grows up and escapes from there to go after whats left of his family.

[hack slash]

NEW MYERS FIGURE WITH CHANGABLE HEAD

http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/news/9627

[BlakeTyner]

The regular Myers head looks pretty good (I'm still not crazy about the 'distressed' look of it, but I'll get over it.) It certainly looks better than my McFarlane Myers, whose expression borders on surprise. My Jason (JGTH) looks great, and my Freddy is pretty good, but I've always been a little disappointed with Mikey. I may have to scoop this one up.

Am I missing something, though? What's with the orange head?

~Blake

[The Dream Master]

I just hope Zombie didn't fuck with whole concept of what the Shape character really was. A vengful muderer.

I don't think that's what the original Shape was at all; there was nothing vengeful about Myers's action--it was deliberate, calculated, but it's wasn't vengeful. It was just a random act of violence that had no reason or emotion behind it whatsoever, which makes the character compelling.

[Jigsaw]

I don't think that's what the original Shape was at all; there was nothing vengeful about Myers's action--it was deliberate, calculated, but it's wasn't vengeful. It was just a random act of violence that had no reason or emotion behind it whatsoever, which makes the character compelling.


I agree. What made Myers so frightening in the original movie IMO was how calcuated he was with his kills and his lack of motivation. Freddy kills for fun and Jason out of anger/vengeance, but Myers never had a true motive, he just seemingly killed for no reason and totally randomly at that. It made him very frightening and menacing.

The NECA Myers looks great too. I'll definitely be picking that figure up.

[DarkPumpkin]

The regular Myers head looks pretty good (I'm still not crazy about the 'distressed' look of it, but I'll get over it.) It certainly looks better than my McFarlane Myers, whose expression borders on surprise. My Jason (JGTH) looks great, and my Freddy is pretty good, but I've always been a little disappointed with Mikey. I may have to scoop this one up.

Am I missing something, though? What's with the orange head?

~Blake

Blake,

I believe the orange head is Michael when he was a young child. I have seen stills from the movie, and it shows little Mikey wearing a mask like that.

I agree with you about the McFarlene figure. Michael does seem to be thinking "OMG! Did I leave the gas on?" with the expression he has been given. The NECA is far more accurate, except I am like you, I am just not crazy about the whole distressed look. Makes it look like he has vines growing out of the damn mask.

[hack slash]

Am I missing something, though? What's with the orange head?

~Blake

in the trailer That's the mask he has on when he escapes so he probably has it on until he gets the Shatner mask

[sCabbOy]

Yeah, he buried the Shatner mask before he was hauled off. He goes back and digs it up right?

[hack slash]

I got the T-shirt and poster today
The poster from Spencers and the shirt from HotTopic

[Ron]

Yeah, he buried the Shatner mask before he was hauled off. He goes back and digs it up right?

yeah, I believe thats how it plays out.

[Wheatjedi]

I finally got to see the TV trailer for this today. It was good, but it didn't really make me more excited for the film. I liked the shot of young Michael wearing the Shatner mask though.

[The New Blood]

Am I the only one who doesn't give a shit about this movie?

[Spade]

Am I the only one who doesn't give a shit about this movie?

I used to feel that way, but I've been slowly coming around.

Take care and God bless.

Spade

[sCabbOy]

Am I the only one who doesn't give a shit about this movie?

not at all!

[Wheatjedi]

It's weird, but I don't seem to be all that excited about it either. I'm much more curious about Hatchet and Trick 'r Treat.

[BlakeTyner]

Blake,

I believe the orange head is Michael when he was a young child. I have seen stills from the movie, and it shows little Mikey wearing a mask like that.

I agree with you about the McFarlene figure. Michael does seem to be thinking "OMG! Did I leave the gas on?" with the expression he has been given. The NECA is far more accurate, except I am like you, I am just not crazy about the whole distressed look. Makes it look like he has vines growing out of the damn mask.

Thanks DP (and everyone else) for helping me out with that. I've seen the trailer several times, but I guess I just didn't pick up on the orange mask.

I think you summed up the expression really well with the gas thing. I've never quite been able to put my finger on it, other than it's almost surprise, but that's a very good description. Except for my Dawn of the Dead red-shirt zombie and my Dante and Randall inaction figures, I always take my shit out of the box, so I may try to see if I can 'fix' the new action figure with my modeling equipment/paint. If not I won't worry with it, but I do dig on the figure. I think I'll put it on my list after the Fly-boy Zombie and new Optimus Prime.

~Blake

[Ron]

The new mask has too much of a Frankenstein feel to it.

[jayTL]

I have the poster...might ebay it soon...doesnt match with anything inmyroom.

[Wheatjedi]

I also have the poster. I'm not crazy about it, but I could never eBay it. Danielle Harris gave it to me at Texas Frightmare Weekend (it was up behind where she was sitting) when she left, and that's a memory/piece of memorabilia that I'm hanging on to.

[Deathscythe]

Am I the only one who doesn't give a shit about this movie?

Nope, althrough I'll still probably watch it because its Halloween.

[Darth Sinister]

Originally Posted by The New Blood
Am I the only one who doesn't give a shit about this movie?

Same here. It's just not for me. Even if it's true that Zombie leaked out false information, it just doesn't work for me. Maybe if they were flashbacks to a present day story, I'd go see it. But then some of these concepts just seem to make Michael sympathetic and that's not right.

[Kane Lives]

Am I the only one who doesn't give a shit about this movie?


No, I feel the same way. I just don't like the whole idea of meshing Myer's early years together with a remake of the original. Whether it turns out good or bad, I would have just rather had a regular old Halloween 9 personally.


But I'm sure as the date draws closer, my inner fanboy will cause me to break the vow I made to not go see this film. :nervous:

[The New Blood]

I actually have lost all interest in the Halloween series. The past 4 movies were shit, and a remake really doesn't spark my interest much. I'll probably see it when it comes to DVD.

[sCabbOy]

I agree TNB. I am anxious to see H07, but at the same time I'm not really wanting to hear all of the bitching that will no doubt happen after the fact. It's gotta be better than the past 4 Halloween movies, and if it's not then Rob really needs to rethink his career.

[Utellme]

Yeah there will be people beating it down in fact some are and its not even out yet.People complain when no new horror movies made Jason,Michael,Freddy,Leatherface etc.But when they are made they still complain constantly comparing it to the old films they don't go away there still there for you to watch.Besides they cant make part 1 10 times would get real old real quick.To me this movie is all ready great i'll support i'll go to theatre to see it and buy it on dvd even if it's not great.

[The New Blood]

I'm not beating it down, I just don't care about it. I guess I'm just growing out of the whole movie thing.

[Utellme]

TNB im not saying you or just you im saying a lot of people.Just like when they did a TCM remake it was plain out brutal horror no humor no gimmicks and people still beat on it.

[Ron]

Exactly. People are always gonna be critical. You can't stop it, it's like trying to control the weather.

[DarkPumpkin]

I think what is most upsetting to me is the newer generation thinking that this is going to be far superior to the original. My younger cousin is 16 and was trained by his older cousin (that would be me) to appreciate horror films. He's been well schooled and taught to appreciate Halloween as the classic, grandpappy of them all (also thanks to me) and so he is also hestitate about this remake, or "reimagining" (a term I hate with the fire of a thousand suns.) However, plenty of his friends have been exclaiming how this film is going to "kick so much ass" because the original is so boring to them.

I suppose I can understand this to some degree. Kids these days (Good grief! Did I just say that????) are part of a culture that is lightning fast. News is instant, video games are flashy, movies are fast paced, so I can see how the original would seem boring to them. Yes, there is breasts and a semi-violent killing in the beginning, but the action doesn't really pick up towards nearly the end. However, Halloween is so perfectly executed and tense that I am never bored.

It just breaks my heart though. :( Damn kids.

[The Dream Master]

DP, your post explains a lot of what I feel, too. I'm going to see this during a matinee showing (probably around noon) just so I can avoid the teenage crowds at the evening shows who will no doubt come out raving about how it "pwnd the original." It really shouldn't bother me so much because, in the end, it doesn't take away from the original at all.

Ultimately, though, I don't like this particular remake because it ends a series that should have gone out on a better note. Also, I actually enjoy Zombie's films and am far more interested in seeing him work on something new (not that House or TDR were the most original films, but you get my point).

[BlakeTyner]

Excellent post, Punkin'. I got called out last night with some friends because I started a sentence with "kids today..." so don't feel bad. While I agree that Halloween was/is a brilliant film, I can kind of see how the new generation would be bored with it. I'm not sure if you grew up on Hitchcock like I did (they used to play Alfred Hitchcock Presents on Nick at Nite) but I think that coming from that background, I'm more inclined to enjoy a pot-boiler with the gradual buildup of tension.

When it comes down to it, though, I have to give Nightmare 1 a perfect score when it comes to pacing. That movie just never bogs down for me the way Halloween does. I'm not saying it's a superior picture, as I tend to rank all the original films pretty much together, but I think Wes had his timing down really well.

I'll give Zombie's Halloween a chance. Believe it or not I've never seen his earlier movies, so I guess I don't have any preconceptions as far as him as a director. I have a clean slate, so to speak. I was hesitant about Re-Dawn, but I (like most others) fell in love with it; unfortunately it seems to be the exception to the remake rule.

~Blake

[DarkPumpkin]

Good to know I am not the only one who feels this way. I thought about it last night, and I realized it's not even Zombie I am really even upset with. Despite his earlier quote about never being able to remake a classic, it seems like when money talks, you can easily forget about what you said. I do think he is very arrogant, and he has seemed to be insulting hard-core fans of the original as much as possible lately.

My uncle sincerely believes The Devil's Rejects was the best horror film ever made, and also one of the best films ever. We have had several arguments over this. Last night, he took it a bit too far and sent me this:

"There is a new Master of Horror and he goes by the name of Rob Zombie. August 31th will be the first time a remake is better than the original.

Zombie will go down as the perhaps the greatest horror director of all time. Yes, even passing Wes craven. Zombie is the man. "

My wrath was raised and this was my message back:

"You love trying to provoke me, don't you?

If an arrogant, unoriginal, unimaginative hack is who you consider to be the man, then you really shouldn't call yourself a horror fan. This remake is nothing more than a sequel to the Devil's Rejects, because that is all Zombie can seem to do.

The first Halloween had tension and suspense all without the need for gore and foul dialogue. It had class. Something you lack if you think Zombie's is going to be superior.

In conclusion, damn you really piss me off."

Wow, maybe I really am pissed at Zombie....:duh:

[Ron]

I saw the trailer for this last night during the roast for Flavor Flav and i must say, skepticism aside, that I am very curious to see how this is. I think that McDowell was a good casting descison on the part of Zombie.

[sCabbOy]

I thought TDR was great, far from the best, but great. TDR has everything a horror movie should have and then there was the amazing cinematography.

[Autobotsdie]

I'll watch it just to see how Zombie did it.

[Ron]

Some will love it, some will hate it. I for one is gonna go into the theatre with an open mind and search only for 90 minutes of mind-numbing entertainment. Afterall, that is why we see these movies, right?

[sCabbOy]

I'm gonna go see it to support it. How many slashers have been in the cinny lately? I'm sure at worst it will be alright.

[The Dream Master]

I'm a fan of Zombie's films so far, but it's much too early to begin declaring him a master of horror. "House" was a decent first effort, but it lost me once it got really stupid with all the underground stuff at the end. As for "TDR," it's really more of an exploitation film than a straight horror film, but he did show a vast amount of improvement with that one.

I was really interested to see how much he'd improve with his third film, and the Halloween remake may very well be better than his first two efforts, but it's going to feel all wrong for a Halloween movie. In my opinion, the original Halloween and Zombie's two films are polar opposites in tone and treatment, and not at all compatible. I guess there's an audience out there that will accept that Zombie is radically changing things, though, which is why I think it's going to make a lot of money at the box office.

[DarkPumpkin]

My hostility seems to have returned.

My uncle sent me this:

"Ash,
You will see the genius that is Rob Zombie. Embrace him because he is here to stay. As much as you swear at me, I thought you would love his films. Carpenter asked him to remake because he knew he messed up.

We will spend a weekend watching and discussing what great horror films are because it saddens me that I had so much hope for, but I fear the horror gene has missed you."

To which I responded:

"He is far from a genius. He just knows how to rip off things that have already been done before. Ho1C is nothing more than a poor attempt at grindhouse style, with some Texas Chainsaw Massacre thrown in.

Carpenter didn't mess anything up. It's a classic film that has influenced every aspect of the horror genre thus far, and you can't deny that. Everything from the opening POV shot to the establishment of the final girl can be found here. It's mark cannot be denied. It was the sequels that tarnished Halloween.

If a huge, hulking beast that is Zombie's Michael seems better to you than Carpenter's cold, calculating, menacing Myers, well more power to you. Zombie is doing nothing more than turning Michael into another Jason. And yet, he has claimed he hates Friday the 13th. He also claimed he could never remake a classic, and here he is.

So don't lecture me about what is classic horror. The Devil's Rejects is an alright film, but it's not even horror. And it's certainly nothing that will become classic.

You can continue to disagree with me, but you won't change my views. Halloween is absolutely a sacred film to me and Zombie's bastarized version of it won't sway me otherwise.

So again, don't talk to me about what hope you held out for me. I am quite content with my horror choices. I have over 500 DVDs, and over half are horror. Among them include the original Black Christmas, Psycho, Halloween, Nightmare on Elm Street, Phantasm, Hellraiser and some lesser known, but still cult faves including Happy Birthday to Me, Sleepaway Camp, April's Fool Day, My Bloody Valentine, etc.

Just because I don't agree with your opinion does not negate my love or knowledge of horror. Just because I don't share your view that Zombie is a god does not mean I have no taste in horror or that my opinions are meaningless."

It doesn't matter who directed this upcoming remake of Halloween, I would still consider it a bastarized version. To me, there is only one Halloween, and that is the original. However, I am going to see this film. I am willing to give it a fair chance, but to say that it is somehow going to surpass the most influential horror film ever is absurd. I also don't think that Zombie quite has the experience yet to pull this off. He has two films under his belt, one that was a commerical and critical failure, and another that was a vast improvement yet still not without its faults, and he is suddenly hailed a genius and a horror master?

Sorry, he's going to have to prove himself just a little but more for me.

[The Dream Master]

I don't recall Carpenter ever begging Zombie to go in and remake it because the original was so inferior.

It was more like this: "I don't give a fuck, I'm getting paid...grumble..grumble..".

True story.

Almost.

[DRE]

DP, don't let this ruin the relationship between you and your uncle, it is not worth it. I myself am the uncle who introduced and raised his nieces and nephews on horror and I get the occasional "Remake is better" from them, but it's all in stride and good fun, and in many cases they knew the classic before the remake.

[Rick]

If your uncle believes Carpenter went to Zombie asking him to remake this he really needs to check his facts.

[The Dream Master]

I also know a guy who claims that the remake could be better than the original, but it doesn't bother me that much. It's his perogative if he wants to be wrong. :X

The idea that Carpenter was in any way involved with the process is laughable.

[Ron]

I think that HO1KC lost all it's credibilty and potential as soon as Zombie tacked on the whole Dr.Satan ending.

[The Dream Master]

PB, I agree one hundred percent. I really enjoyed the movie up until that point. It just totally lost me because it was too out there, you know? It totally didn't fit with the tone of the rest of the movie. I'd like to think the entire thing was a very lucid hallucination that the girl was having, but you can still see that big cyborg/demon/whatever thing under the rubble when she emerges from the hole .

[DRE]

I totally loved Rejects, but Corpses didn't really catch on with me, I get more enjoyment from Spaulding's DVD menu commentary than the film itself. I'm gonna have to watch it again to see if my feelings have changed.

[DarkPumpkin]

Yeah, my uncle just loves to provoke me. It's all in good natured fun, especially since he knows I hold Halloween so near and dear to my heart. Halloween, Monster Squad and Fright Night are three films I will not let anyone talk badly about. Which is why he attempts to raise my anger all the time by doing such a thing. Bastard. :)

[hack slash]

I also know a guy who claims that the remake could be better than the original, but it doesn't bother me that much. It's his perogative if he wants to be wrong. :X

I think there's a chance it could be better, it most likely won't be but there is a chance, I can't sit through the original all the way through anymore, it's still my favorite horror film of all time but it's not perfect