Terminator films

[MaDMaNMaRz]

I LOVE the first two Terminator films.....they're some of my favorite of all time. :)

But if I had to pick one, i'd say Terminator 2: Judgement Day is my favorite. I loved everything about it. I could never get into T3. It just felt too "Hollywood" for me. :X

Brad Fiedel's score in T1 and T2 are great. The orchestral version of the theme song in 2 is just great. It has a more epic feel.

Thoughts on these films?

[Jigsaw]

The first two are some of my favorite movies, with the original being my favorite of the series. I didn't care for T3 at all.

[Darth Sinister]

T3 is okay. Could've been better, but wasn't horrible. Just wished that Brad Fidel did that one. But I love the first two films and had just watched them recently.

[girlychaos]

I like the first one, but T2 is my favorite by far...it's just awesome! I can watch it over and over again.

[El Rooto]

I liked 3...

T2 is one of the greatest action movies ever.

[Shoesalesman]

I liked 3...

T2 is one of the greatest action movies ever.

I'll raise a pint to that. I saw it three times on the big screen and it's one of my favorite "seen in the theater" movies. Great story, great soundtrack, the makers promoted the film well.

[The Dream Master]

For my money, Cameron has directed two of the most perfect action films of all time: Aliens and Terminator 2.

Words can't describe the adoration I hold for the first two Terminator films. That said, I actually though part three was a worthy entry into the series. As DS has pointed out, Fidel's involvement (among other things) would have improved it, but it was solid.

[The New Blood]

I love the first 2 Terminator movies. They are among my favorite movies. Part 3 is alright, but as a Terminator movie, it sucks.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

missingmachete - I'd actually say that T2 is THE greatest action film, IMO. I loved everything about it.....the story, the score, the acting, the action, etc. T2 is pure brilliance.

I LOVE the original as well. Even though I prefer T2, i'd still have to rate 1 a 10/10.

[jayTL]

Loved part 1 (9/10)
Loved Part 2 (10/10)
Liked part 3 alot (7/10)

[Lance Lives]

Have to agree with some people in this thread, T2 is by far the best action movie ever. Aliens is my vote for second by the way.
I don't know why, but just everything about part 2 seems perfect to me. GREAT villian, excellent score, excellent gun fights, just so much good stuff.

[ChoKo]

As much as I love T2, I still love the first one more. It's probably because I saw T1 long before T2 came out. I love them both, but the first one will always hold a special place in my heart.

"Sarah Connor?"
"Yes?"
*smash* *bang* .... *bang* *bang* *bang* *bang*

[MaDMaNMaRz]

My favorite quote from T1 has to be:

"Hey buddy, you got a dead cat in there or what?"

"Fuck you, asshole"

:lmao:

[ChoKo]

My favorite quote from T1 has to be:

"Hey buddy, you got a dead cat in there or what?"

"Fuck you, asshole"

:lmao:

No one says that like Arnie. That's up there with "I'll be back."

I also like:
"Hey, you can't do that!"
"Wrong."
*BANG*Goodbye, Dick Miller*

[Darth Sinister]

My favorite quote from T1 has to be:

"Hey buddy, you got a dead cat in there or what?"

"Fuck you, asshole"

:lmao:

I used to quote that a lot with a friend of mine, years ago when it was first on HBO.

[ChoKo]

Has anyone seen the life-size Endo replica?

http://www.hotmovieprops.com/the-terminator-t800-endoskeleton-lifesize-replica-p-1058.html

If I had $6,000 to blow, I'd definitely get one. There are Predator and Alien life size statues too. I'd love to be rich enough to afford some of this stuff.

[Zombie]

I've been thinking about this alot lately, especially cause I got Pt 2 on bluray and then 3 on HD (netflix) and then pt 2 showing on the Encore channels alot, then you have the new tv series which basically screws up pt 3 royally. Then watching like Back to The Future, I dont know just messes with the head.

So all this time travaling and stuff and how the movie explains things, but you have pt 3 "judgement day didn't happen and missles didn't fall, blah blah blah", then later Conner snaps about "Wait your not even supposed to be here/exist" in Pt 3. So that would say from Pt 2 - 3, it was over and no other sign of terminators comin through time and what not.

Then in the Sarah Conner Chronicles, you have a terminator yet again targeting John and stuff... But there wasn't supposed to be anymore after T2? If there was, then Pt 3 would have been totally different. Or at least have different wording... Also you would think that after T2 and it still happening then shouldn't he have learned and then just gotten prepared for it instead of always trying to stop it from happening?

Or say in T3, what if Conner didn't hit the deer and just had to show up at the Vet which was his supposed furture wife had not all the events in T2 taken place and then the next day judgement day ended up happening and you have conner just out in the city, not taking shelter or prepared for it so he would have been nuked with everyone else? So then no need to have sent terminators in pt3 because he was already thinking he prevented it and was just staying away to not be tracked by a terminator but had the war happened he probably wouldn't have made it, along with all his LT's and stuff????

So, I don't know it just so screwy, but the tv show really screws up the movies. It looks cool but I'll watch it just to see where they filmed here but I'm not considering it part of the movies.

[Just Jeans]

I could spend 40 or 50 minutes coming up with ways to reconcile the issues you've got tying The Sarah Conner Chronicles to the film franchise, Zombie, but there's a much easier way to approach the series, which is the way I'll be approaching it: as it's own continuity. Think of it like a TV series being adapted to the big screen, only in reverse. I don't consider Transformers (2007) to be a part of the Transformers (G1) continuity any more than I consider The Sarah Conner Chronicles to be a part of the film continuity.

A lot of the inconsistencies could be worked around if you've got the time and energy to dedicate to it, but ultimately it's much easier to just approach the TV series as it's own beast (besides, I expect FOX will cancel it 3 episodes into it's run anyway, so I'm not getting too into it).

[Rich]

I don't understand why people don't like T3. It was awesome! I love all three of the Terminator movies! They kick so much ass.

[nottidelterrore]

The first Terminator is one of my all-time favourites. I grew up on this movie & it means a lot to me, as crazy as it sounds. I'd watch it almost every day as a kid. The Terminator along with T2, Back to the Future 1-3, Batman '89, & Batman Returns were constantly played in my VCR.

T2 is a sequel that many like better than the first & I can see why. It's damn amazing. I'll always like the first one better due to its dark tone & because Arnie is a bad guy. Also, Michael Biehn is one of my favourite actors.

I'm not a T3 hater. I found it to be entertaining but it's still unecessary. If it didn't exist, I wouldn't care much. The series should've ended with T2. Perfect ending to the series right there.

[Scarecrow]

T3 was entertaining but ultimately wasn't needed. As many ahve said, it was rather pointless. The first two have a lot of hope and though it's clear T2 alters some of T1's concepts of not changing the future, it's such a positive note. I tend to think of it as two seperate timelines, the T1/T2 story as the main one and then T3 and everything else as an alternative storyline.


- Scarecrow

[Rich]

Most sequels (like 98% of them, heck name a Friday sequel after Part 2 that we needed) are not needed, but if they are kick ass action flicks that entertain the hell out of you with a Terminator robot who is that damn hott...what's the problem?

I mean, T3 may not have been needed but I would not say it was a bad sequel. I think it was a good sequel honestly. It was exciting and action packed and a hell of a lot of fun.

[Deathscythe]

I don't even remember Terminator 3, I think it was the one with robot lady. I should give the original a rent, haven't seen it in years.

[Rich]

Go and rent the trilogy, order yourself a pizza, and sit back and enjoy the ride my friend.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

Hell yeah! Some pepperoni pizza and Pepsi, and a Terminator/T2 double feature is guaranteed awesomeness.

[Deathscythe]

I rarely watch films back to back and I don't think Friday part 2 was needed either.

Oh, I just noticed that was my 1,000th post.

[nottidelterrore]

T3 wasn't a bad sequel at all. I can sit through it & be entertained. The chase with the crane was pretty impressive. It'll always be inferior to the first two movies, which are masterpieces to me. The first being a low budget independent masterpieces & T2 being a huge sci-fi action blockbuster masterpiece.

T3 did screw up a huge fact: John's age. I think they confused John's age with Edward Furlong's ages because I believe Furlong was 13 when T2 was made & John was supposed to be 10. If John were 13 when he met "Uncle Bob" & the T-1000 came after him, then it would be in 1998. Judgment Day was in 1997.

And the "talk to the hand" thing was incredibly stupid. It made me chuckle because I love when Schwarzenegger cracks jokes in movie but it was still really dumb.

I'm still overly impressed by the effects in The Terminator. As cheesy & fake as they look, I'd rather see effects like that than loads & loads of CGI.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

'm still overly impressed by the effects in The Terminator. As cheesy & fake as they look, I'd rather see effects like that than loads & loads of CGI.

I agree. The SFX were a bit cheesy in the original, but for it's time, they were really good. I'm not a fan of CGI, so that's a big problem for me with T3.

[nottidelterrore]

I think too much CGI in movies really brings things down. It's ok in small doses or in a case where it's really needed but when movies rely heavily upon CGI for the effects, it turns 95% of them into wankfests. The Star Wars prequels CGI didn't bother me much but in places, it was so obvious. And the effects in the original Star Wars trilogy will always be better. Effects like that have more of a DIY ethic to them compared to CGI, which just seems lazy to me.

[Ron]

I hate CGI blood in movies. Actually, I think I prefer practical blood and gore effects over CGI, period.

[Jigsaw]

I hate CGI in general, most of the time it looks very fake IMO. I'll take practical effects anyday.

[The Dream Master]

You're never going to see me hate on the effects in the original Terminator because they were fantastic for their time, and they still hold up well today. However, I don't get the resistance against good CGI. Sure, it can look terrible, particularly when it's over-used. However, when it's done right, CGI is fantastic. Would you seriously rather see an army of stop-motion puppets in the new Terminator film rather than some well-executed CGI endo-skeletons?

[Jigsaw]

In all honesty, I'll take stop-motion over CGI anyday. It may be dated, but some stop-motion work has stood the test of time and with today's techniques and equipment, it can be perfected.

[The Dream Master]

I like stop-motion myself, but only when it's necessary. See, that's the thing with me when it comes to practical vs. CGI effects: the door swings both ways. You always seen complaints about unecessary CGI, but I think you can have unecessary practical effects too. If CGI is the best tool for the job (which it would be if you're going to have an epic battle involving endoskeletons in a Terminator film), then you should use it.

[Jigsaw]

I agree that if CGI is the absolute only way you can do certain effects or at least certain effects-heavy scenes, then it's necessary, but if you're using too much CGI and using it in place where a practical effect can easily be used and better, then it's overkill.

[The Dream Master]

I'd drink to that, if I had a drink. I especially hate that horror flicks are relying on CGI these days when practical effects will usually do just fine.

[Jigsaw]

I agree, especially when CGI is used for blood, ugh :X

[Rich]

I think they rely on the CGI these days because it probably cost less, faster, and not as messy. At least that is what I would think. It usually makes a movie look more comic book then real life though.

[Ron]

T-1000 was bad ass.

[The Dream Master]

I think they rely on the CGI these days because it probably cost less, faster, and not as messy. At least that is what I would think. It usually makes a movie look more comic book then real life though.

I think you missed the most important reason: CGI allows filmmakers to do things that they can't do with practical effects. That, to me, is why CGI is completely necessary. It's a different thing altogether when filmmakers start over-relying on it just to take a shortcut, though.

[nottidelterrore]

You're never going to see me hate on the effects in the original Terminator because they were fantastic for their time, and they still hold up well today. However, I don't get the resistance against good CGI. Sure, it can look terrible, particularly when it's over-used. However, when it's done right, CGI is fantastic. Would you seriously rather see an army of stop-motion puppets in the new Terminator film rather than some well-executed CGI endo-skeletons?

I'll take the stop-motion puppets over CGI any day of the week but we'll probably never get much of that anymore unless we get an old school-type movie. I can tolerate good CGI in small doses where it's necessary. I just hate when a movie relies solely on CGI effects...& when those said effects are executed poorly. I'll make exceptions in a few cases.

[Rich]

I do not have a problem with CG. I hate CGI blood because there is no need in the entire world for CG blood, like in that movie 300. The blood was all the same excact size and shape little red dots. It looked so bad and terrible. There is no excuse for the use of CG for blood or gore. Another scene that comes to mind is when the guy's son got decapitated. I loved the scene but the effect (like all the effects in that movie) looked like dog shit. In monster movies however, if you need to create an army of Aliens, Predators, or Terminators and you need like hundreds, I think CG is needed. My problem is not with CG (it does not generate itself) but with film makers whom are lazy and use it for every little thing. The movie 300 really suffered by being CG infested and it really ruined the movie experience for me.

[Darth Sinister]

I think with "300", they were going for the comic approach with how blood was seen in the comics. CGI is faster and more practical, which is why it's used. We all knew this was going to come as time went on.

[The One and Only]

Since this is the spot to talk about all things Terminator, I thought I might throw the following into the mix. As some of you longtime Terminator fans may know. Dark Horse Comics in the early 90's published a line of comics following up the first Terminator flick. Well, the company plans to reprint the whole batch collected in an Omnibus Edition. The books have such big name comic talents like Jame Robinson, Matt Wagner, Paul Gulacy, Ian Edginton, and others who had worked on them. It'll be available February 20, 2008. (http://www.terminatorfiles.com/news/2007/2007-11-24-a.htm)

Also in the funny books right now from Dynamite Entertainment is a crossover between the Terminator, and another character published by the company, Painkiller Jane. It start in issue four of Jane's mag, continues in the sixth issue of the Terminator 2 comic. Then goes on to Painkiller Jane#5 and Terminator 2 #7. For more on it check out the interview with Jane's co-creator and writer of the whole crossover, Jimmy Palmiotti. (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=121751)

[zombie extra 3]

First Terminator was great. One of my all time favorites.
Second was very good. I like it quite a bit but not as much as the original.
Third was...ugh. Crap.

[Jigsaw]

Although T2 is a classic, I feel it has some problems that hold it back for me. I've grown to favor the original by a considerable margin.

[zombie extra 3]

Although T2 is a classic, I feel it has some problems that hold it back for me. I've grown to favor the original by a considerable margin.Ditto. I think one problem is a lot of the action scenes are kind of rehashed from the first.

[Jigsaw]

One thing that bugs me about T2 is I feel it's message, though a good one, is too preachy and forced. T1 got the message across a lot more effectively, but T2 constantly feels the need to repeat it daily. Also, the whole "value of human life" message of T2 really annoys me, but that's my issue as I'm a big misanthrope who doesn't value human life in any way.

I also hate some of the humor in T2 and some of the T-800's lines ("Chill out, dickwad," ugh :X), and I can't stand that the T-800 can't kill people. At times, T2 almost feels like a kids' movie with the good T-800 and his lines.

[nottidelterrore]

I think that I'll always favor the first Terminator over T2 but T2 is a hell of a good sequel that can surpass the original in some peoples' opinions. And that's perfectly fine.

I just prefer the darker first film.

As for T2, which version do you all prefer? I like the special edition myself just because it adds more to the movie & makes a great movie even longer. And the scene with Reese is great, especially since he's my favourite character in the series & because I'm a huge Michael Biehn fan. Terrific actor.

[The One and Only]

Speaking of Micheal Biehn notidelterrore, did you know that originally for the role of the T-1000, Cameron had planned originally to have Biehn as the polymimetic alloy assassin. However, the he decided to drop that idea as he thought it would lead to confusion amongst the audience watching the flick. Although it would've been cool, I really can't think of anyone as the T-1000 other than Robert Patrick.

On the subject of which is my favorite flick, T2:Judgement Day. It just seemed after that flick hit theaters, going to the movies was never the same again. It really raised the bar for what an action film was suppose to be. Now, I'm actually quite fond of T3:Rise of the Machines. Heck ,even James Cameron gave the flick a thumbs up from I've read. Kudos also has to go to Nick Stahl in the role of John Connor. one would think that after seemingly destroy Skynet's chances of ever being created he could've just relaxed afterwards , but after Sarah died:cry:, he was just surviving by living off the grid. As Kate pointed out in the RV, Connor was a mess. Kudos to the one who picked him for the role. Stahl looked like he had been channeling Biehn throughout the flick. He reminded me alot of Reese from the original flick in ROTM.

[Deathscythe]

Imagine if Sylvester Stallone was the T-1000, haha. But seriously, Robert Patrick is one underrated actor.

[Jigsaw]

I definitely like the SE of T2 better. The only new scene I hated was the T-800 smiling, but the rest of the scenes were great additions and added more to the film.

[nottidelterrore]

Speaking of Micheal Biehn notidelterrore, did you know that originally for the role of the T-1000, Cameron had planned originally to have Biehn as the polymimetic alloy assassin. However, the he decided to drop that idea as he thought it would lead to confusion amongst the audience watching the flick. Although it would've been cool, I really can't think of anyone as the T-1000 other than Robert Patrick.

Yes, I heard something about that. It would've been a cool concept but I seriously can't imagine someone else besides Robert Patrick playing the T-1000. I'd say that it would've been cool to morph into Reese but the T-1000 would have to physically touch him to do so & Reese is kind of dead when T2 takes place. :(

[The Dream Master]

I prefer the special edition of T2 myself, if only for the reinsertion of the Kyle Reese scene.

And I'm glad they didn't use Michael Biehn play the T-1000 because it would have been too gimmicky; besides that, as others have said, Robert Patrick is the T-1000. :D

[Jigsaw]

Robert Patrick is irreplacable as the T-1000.

My favorite scenes in the T2 SE are Sarah's dream with Kyle, the surgery on the T-800 and John arguing Sarah about the T-800, Dyson destroying the CPU processor and the T-1000 glitching.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

I love the SE, but I actually like the Theatrical version more. For me, it was perfect as is. The additional footage is great, but IMO, the movie was great without it too.

[El Rooto]

I love the SE, but I actually like the Theatrical version more. For me, it was perfect as is. The additional footage is great, but IMO, the movie was great without it too.

I agree completely.

[Kane Lives]

My favorite scenes in the T2 SE are Sarah's dream with Kyle, the surgery on the T-800 and John arguing Sarah about the T-800.


I only recently saw the T2 SE, but those were the two additional scenes that I really liked. Not essentials to the film IMO, but they were nice additions to Sarah's character.

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I had never heard that Michael Biehn was originally going to play the T-1000, but I'm also glad that didn't happen. Arnold going from the villain to the hero was a good idea and worked well I thought. But, to also have the Hero from the first film go bad would have just been too much IMO. Plus, the T-1000 as is, brought some freshness to the Sequel.

[Deathscythe]

Finally gonna give T3 a rewatch today. Hope I enjoy it.

[ChoKo]

Plus, the T-1000 as is, brought some freshness to the Sequel.

I agree, and Robert Patrick's performance as the T-1000 is amazing. Speaking of which, was he nominated for any awards for that role? If so, he should have won them all. Every time I watch T2, his performance blows me away.

Ditto for Hamilton's performance. Her intensity is mind-blowing.

[Deathscythe]

Doubt so, summer blockbuster films hardly win awards anyway. And yeah, Hamilton was good as well.

[ChoKo]

According to IMDB, Patrick was nominated for both a Saturn Award and an MTV Movie Award for Best Supporting actor. It's a shame he didn't get any more noms. :(

Doubt so, summer blockbuster films hardly win awards anyway. And yeah, Hamilton was good as well.

T2 won four Oscars and was nominated for two others. :D

[Deathscythe]

Well, I mainly mean Best Actor/Picture/Director/Screenplay. I never see summer blockbuster winning those.

[ChoKo]

Well, I mainly mean Best Actor/Picture/Director/Screenplay. I never see summer blockbuster winning those.

I know what you meant, bro. I was just pointing out what T2 won. :cool:

[nottidelterrore]

I agree, and Robert Patrick's performance as the T-1000 is amazing. Speaking of which, was he nominated for any awards for that role? If so, he should have won them all. Every time I watch T2, his performance blows me away.

Ditto for Hamilton's performance. Her intensity is mind-blowing.

I heard he won awards for greatest style of running & throwing truck drivers out of trucks.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

I heard he won awards for greatest style of running & throwing truck drivers out of trucks.

:lol:

I could see that. He was pretty good at that, Chris.

[Deathscythe]

I rewatched T3 and I actually liked it a lot. I can't wait for T4! I just hope this McG can pull it off through.

[Joe Strummer]

So far the TV show is much better than T3. What a forgettable film. I saw it in the theaters and can't even remember anything except for that female being naked. T1 and 2 were excellent and still very watchable. True classics for sure.

[nottidelterrore]

This is a bit off topic but has anyone read the novels that take place after T2 entitled "T2: Infiltrator, T2: Rising Storm, & T2: Future Storm?" I thought they were all great books & a must read for Terminator fans.

[The One and Only]

Yeah, I also snagged those novels as well. Pretty good stuff.

[Scarecrow]

So far the TV show is much better than T3. What a forgettable film. I saw it in the theaters and can't even remember anything except for that female being naked.


But not naked enough alas...


- Scarecrow

[Deathscythe]

I loled when she made her breast bigger in the car scene.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

FX had T3 on yesterday...or was it the day before? :confused:

Anyways, I watched about half of it, and I still can't get into it.

[Deathscythe]

Yesterday, and I watched it the whole away.

Random Fact: Batman Begins debuts on FX channel today at 7:00.

[Just Jeans]

So far the TV show is much better than T3.

I liked T3 okay, but I agree -- The Sarah Connor Chronicles has been better than the film, and it's going in the kind of direction I would have preferred T3 go.

[The One and Only]

Both T3 and The Sarah Connor Chronicles have been pretty good. I rather still enjoy Rise of the Machines quite a bit, while I haven't watched my DVD in it's entirty since the one time I watched it. It hasn't been because I don't like it, it's mainly because I keep catching it on TV. But nonetheless a good flick that does an excellent job following up one the best sequels of all time.

[Jigsaw]

TSCC is definitely the continuation of the storyline that T3 should've been, IMO.

[El Rooto]

T2 and T3 had really awesome teasers.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

T2 and T3 had really awesome teasers.

I agree. I normally hate teasers, but those were pretty cool.

[Jigsaw]

The T2 teaser with the T-800 being assembled is probably my favorite trailer of all-time.

[Deathscythe]

Don't forget the classic "I'll be back" line.

[The One and Only]

Here's the greatest teaser ever made. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXZn5OuqyD0) I think I read somewhere Stan Winston actually filmed this puppy in his garage. I whish my garage was this cool.:cry:

Also here's the teaser to T3. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5ShyIPC7us) And the general release trailer which was a favorite of mine. But seemed to not set with well with a lot of snooty movie fans. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzRAtyCnuE0&NR=1) Always like the score used in it, and was a little disappointed not to hear it in the final film.

[Deathscythe]

Did Cameron ever explain how the hell John Conner was able to send his dad back in time?

[El Rooto]

The classic predestination paradox, of course.

[Ron]

The classic predestination paradox, of course.

That always bothered me. There are limits to have high I can suspend my disbelief before I realize that something is just insulting my intelligence.

[Just Jeans]

How are predestination paradoxes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predestination_paradox) insulting to your intelligence? :confused: They're a classic Science Fiction staple, they were around long before Terminator did it. They're generally considered staples of intelligent science fiction. It's only technically a paradox:

In physics, the Novikov self-consistency principle proposes that contradictory causal loops cannot form, but that consistent ones can. In a physical sense, a self-consistent causal loop of this kind is not actually a contradiction because it produces a logically consistent result rather than a contradictory one. It is only perceived as a paradox because it goes against conventional expectations and assumptions about causality.

[Darth Sinister]

The way it works is this, John chose a soldier to go back and stop the Terminator from killing his mother. That person had just happened to have been his father. It was always thus, because when time travel is involved, there will be paradoxes. Just as Skynet intended to kill Sarah and thus prevent John from existing, it unintentionally sowed the seeds of it's own creation. John did know that this was his father, because of what had happened to his mother had already happened. Thus he knew that Reese would succeed, he would be concived and then he would be raised to fight in the war. In the T2 novelization and is based on an unfilmed scene, John is asked about what happens to Reese after he is sent back to 1984. John knows what happens, but tells the soldier that Reese destroys the Terminator and then dies. Everything that happened in the war, John knew would happen. He told everyone that they would win the war and that on the day the war would end, there would be one last battle that would play out, which would be the most cruicial battle of all. Afterwards, John begins to remember what happened when he was ten and confirms that the T-1000 was sent back after the first T-800 went. And when he goes into the storage area where the infiltrators are, he finds the T-800 that he will send back to be his guardian.

[Just Jeans]

I think most of us get how it works, Darth.

[Darth Sinister]

I was fleshing it out in case Peter didn't get it.

[Deathscythe]

So I rewatched the original on FUSE today and came to the conclusion that it was my favorite Terminator film. I really dig the dark / gritty atmosphere in that film.

[Jigsaw]

Me, too. The darkness and feeling of despair throughout the original movie makes it my favorite, along with the fact that the action is also better and more gritty and grounded than in the sequels.

[Deathscythe]

Yeah, but FUSE channel edited out most of the violence. :( TV.

[Jigsaw]

That's why I never bother watching many movies on those channels, I can't stand it when they edit out things like violence and swearing.

[Deathscythe]

Yeah, I had T1 and 2 on VHS somewhere, should upgrade to DVD.

[Jigsaw]

If you can, try to get the Special Edition of T1 and the Ultimate Edition of T2. They have great special features.

[nottidelterrore]

The Terminator special edition DVD shouldn't be too expensive. Around $10 or so. Well worth it.

T2: Ultimate Edition may be hard to come by since it's out of print. I prefer it over any other T2 DVD. The Extreme Edition is ok but easier to find. I've seen them in Wal-Mart's $5 bin. Well worth $5. I have both the Ultimate & Extreme Editions. My Extreme Edition even has the metal slipcover. :)

[Jigsaw]

I own both the UE and EE of T2 and also managed to find the now OOP metal slipcover for the EE. The EE has much better picture quality, but the special features on the UE are a lot better. Both are worth having. My T1 SE also has the holographic slipcover.

[The Dream Master]

If I'm not mistaken, isn't the Extreme Edition of T2 lacking the hidden, mega-happy ending version of the film?

Also, the Extreme Edition lacks that bad-ass DTS soundtrack that's still reference quality to this day (for standard DVD anyway). I rented the Extreme Edition once, and didn't think the video was worth the upgrade over the Ultimate Edition.

Of course, the Blu-ray version has come along and rendered the debate moot if you've got the equipment. :D

[nottidelterrore]

Yep. The Extreme Edition doesn't have the Future Coda ending.

The Ultimate Edition is the version I prefer.

[Deathscythe]

If you can, try to get the Special Edition of T1 and the Ultimate Edition of T2. They have great special features.

Well I don't care much for extras I just want the the film. Althrough I did hear one version of T2 had a directors cut/longer film.

T3....maybe if I found it cheap, haha.

[Jigsaw]

I got T3 for only $4.88 plus tax when Wal-Mart had it on sale last Summer. I don't like T3, but I got it for completion's sake and the price.

TDM, yes, the alternate ending is indeed missing from the EE.

[The One and Only]

The Gun-N-Roses single, You Could Be Mine !, music video tie in to T2. (http://www.joblo.com/video/arrow/player.php?video=Guns-N-Roses---You-Could-Be-Mine-1991) Enjoy.:dance::bang:

[Darth Sinister]

Yep. The Extreme Edition doesn't have the Future Coda ending.

The Ultimate Edition is the version I prefer.

Uh, The Extreme Edition does have it. You have to use that interactive feature that pops up, where you click enter on your remote to view a piece of the behind-the-scenes footage or deleted scenes. I have the Extreme Edition and I've seen the T-1000 in John's room and the Future Coda ending.

[Rich]

I really don't see how any fan of the first two Terminator films can not like the third. It was a damn fun action movie with great scenes and special effects. I got only one thing to say to T3 bashers...

Talk...To...The...Hand

[Patrick]

T3 is just ok. It comes nowhere NEAR T1 or T2 by any means. Terminator 3 should have had Linda Hamilton in it. Period. That was a big mistake to kill her off. That is actually pretty stupid. And I know damn well it wasn't because she wasn't popular. If that is the case, there wouldn't be a popular television show named after the character. She is my favorite character on the first 2 films. T3 is just out there...somewhere. It didn't even have any of the iconic music in it from the first 2. How idiotic.

If anyone should not have returned in T3, it is Arnold.

[nottidelterrore]

Uh, The Extreme Edition does have it. You have to use that interactive feature that pops up, where you click enter on your remote to view a piece of the behind-the-scenes footage or deleted scenes. I have the Extreme Edition and I've seen the T-1000 in John's room and the Future Coda ending.

I never saw it on the Extreme Edition. Just the Ultimate Edition.

[The Dream Master]

I think the scenes themselves are on the Extreme Edition, but I don't think the whole cut with them re-inserted is there.

[nottidelterrore]

I got this off Hidden DVD Easter Eggs dot com:

Terminator 2: Ultimate Edition:

The hidden alternate version is 156 minutes. It contains the Future Coda ending and the cut of the movie is the special edition. To get to this third cut of the movie, click on "Special Edition" from the main menu. Highlight "Play Special Edition" and press 82997 on your remote. The words "The Future Is Not Set" will appear in the right hand portion of the setup screen and the left eye of the Terminator will light up. Now you can click on "Play Extended Special Edition". If this does not work try 8 enter 2 enter 9 enter, 9 enter, 7 enter to achieve the same effect. Or, press title 3 and it plays the hidden alternate version.

http://hiddendvdeastereggs.com/films/32969.html

I know you can watch the theatrical version of T2 on the Extreme DVD as an "easter egg." I just never heard of a way to watch the Future Coda version with T-1000 in John's room.

[Darth Sinister]

I think the scenes themselves are on the Extreme Edition, but I don't think the whole cut with them re-inserted is there.

No, they are not inserted into the film, but they are on the DVD and can be viewed.

[nottidelterrore]

I recently picked up The Terminator & Terminator 2 on laserdisc. Now I really need to get a laserdisc player. It would be pretty rad to watch 'em this way.

[nottidelterrore]

Terminator joins movie archive

Arnold Schwarzenegger classic The Terminator is one of 25 films being added to the US National Film Registry.

The move will preserve the films - which include home movies and documentaries from the 1920s - and protect them from deterioration.

Other films on the list include the original 1933 version of The Invisible Man and John Boorman's 1972 thriller Deliverance, starring Burt Reynolds.

The films are selected annually based on cultural or historical significance.

"The registry helps this nation understand the diversity of America's film heritage and, just as importantly, the need for its preservation," said James H Billington, of the Library of Congress.

Endangered film

Over time nitrate and acetate-based films begin to deteriorate.

The Library of Congress is working to digitise and preserve endangered film and audio files. It also acquires a copy for preservation in its own vaults.

"The nation has lost about half of the films produced before 1950 and as much as 90% of those made before 1920."

The registry, established by the Library of Congress nearly 20 years ago, works with film studios that own the rights to the selected films to ensure original copies are kept safe.

Among the oldest films to join the list this year are the ground-breaking 1929 film Hallelujah, featuring an all-black cast, and 1910's White Fawn's Devotion directed by James Young Deer, the first documented American Indian movie director.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7804404.stm

Pretty cool news. I'm glad to hear this about one of my favourite movies of all-time. :)

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39426000/jpg/_39426166_203b_arnold_ap.jpg

[Darth Sinister]

I'm sorry, but when I see Arnold giving the thumbs up, I think of this pic.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g92/darth-sinister/Insults/STFU-Arnold_Schwarzenegger_2.jpg

[nottidelterrore]

I'm sorry, but when I see Arnold giving the thumbs up, I think of this pic.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g92/darth-sinister/Insults/STFU-Arnold_Schwarzenegger_2.jpg

:lmao:

I can see that happening to someone who doesn't shut up when Arnold tells them to.

[Jigsaw]

I watched T1 and T2 back to back for the first time in more than a full year the other night. Still some of my all-time favorite films although nowadays I vastly prefer T1. T2 is great, but has a few annoying problems that hold it back for me. T1 is quite possibly my single favorite film ever, if not up there for sure.

[Spook]

Yeah, I feel like I'm in the minority when I say I like T1 better than T2. It's not that T2 is bad (far from it). I just enjoy watching T1 a lot more.

[The Dream Master]

I dunno, Terminator 2 is the shit. I wouldn't kick either one of them out of bed (metaphorically speaking, of course).

[Jigsaw]

Same here, Spook. I love the darkness, grittiness and intensity of T1, and the evil Terminator. Kyle Reese also IMO is a MUCH better hero than any of the heroic Terminators.

[nottidelterrore]

You aren't alone in that thought, Spook. I like T1 a lot better than T2. T2 is a damn great movie but the first has easily always been my favourite.

[Spook]

Same here, Spook. I love the darkness, grittiness and intensity of T1, and the evil Terminator. Kyle Reese also IMO is a MUCH better hero than any of the heroic Terminators.

Yeah. That's pretty much the same reason I enjoy it over T2. It's a darker movie. Though, T2 is epic badassery. It's just a totally different feeling movie for me compared to the first one.

Nice to see there are others who share the same opinion ;).

[The Dream Master]

I dunno, T2 is pretty fucking dark at times too. It actually scared me a lot more than the first one did when I was a kid (mostly Sarah's nightmares about the nuclear holocaust).

[nottidelterrore]

The part where her skin basically exploded off her body & she became a skeleton really bothered me when I was a kid.

I always prefer to watch the special edition, mainly because of the dream scene with Reese. It almost seemed like Biehn didn't age at all between the two films.

[The Dream Master]

Yeah, seriously. Biehn looks like he walked off the set of the first film in that scene.

And yes, as is the case with Aliens, the special edition is the way to go with T2.

[Jigsaw]

Re-watching the original Terminator, the evil Terminator of T1 is an absolute fucking nightmare. I miss the evil T-800, truly one of the best villains ever.

[nottidelterrore]

Yeah, seriously. Biehn looks like he walked off the set of the first film in that scene.

And yes, as is the case with Aliens, the special edition is the way to go with T2.

Whenever I watch either movie, I always pop in the special editions. It's just a natural thing for me. Sometimes I'll settle for the theatrical cuts of each but 9 times out of ten, it's the special edition. I don't mind them being ridiculously long since both are great movies enjoy. The more, the better. For me at least.

[The Dream Master]

I wish I could have seen T2 for the first time not knowing that Arnold was the good guy. I didn't get to see it until it was out on VHS, so the cat was already out of the bag, so to speak. Truly one of the great twists in film history that often goes unmentioned.

[nottidelterrore]

I wish they would've kept it a secret until he points his shotgun at John then says "Get down" & shoots T-1000.

Would've made it a huge surprise. A very good one at that.

[Spook]

Yeah, I wish I didn't know either. But the first time I saw T2 was on VHS, and the cover had Arnold on it looking kick-ass, so I figured he was the good guy right off the bat.

As for T2 being dark at times, sure. But there's no denying that T1 is a darker flick, and thus I enjoy it more. The T-800 in the first film really scared the shit out of me as a child. I didn't quite have the same impact in T2 with the T-1000. It's not that I'm a morbid guy or anything, but I like darker movies more so than "lighter" ones. T2 isn't necessarily lighter, but it's not as dark is what I'm getting at.

I also enjoy T1 more because it has more of a claustrophobic feel to it. It's a rather small picture, compared to the epic T2. T2 gave off the "typical Hollywood action blockbuster" feel (even though it's miles better than what we're getting today), as opposed to T1, which was essentially just a low-budget picture from a director no one knew. And because of that, it has a raw, gritty, almost documentary like feel to it, which I totally dig.

[The Dream Master]

Yeah, it's nowhere near as ominous or pessimistic as the original, I guess, but I still think the T-1000 is a damn good villain. Robert Patrick played that part perfectly, and the character itself was so fucking brutal.

[Spook]

Oh yeah, no doubt about that. Robert Patrick was just stunning as the villain. Cold and cunning. Ruthless and determined to kill a child. That is indeed pretty fucking brutal. And Patrick gave such an emotionless performance. Great stuff.

I kind of wish that they went with the very first idea they had for T2. Having there be TWO Arnolds (one good, and one bad). I think it would have been an interesting concept. I mean, just imaging the T-800 (actually, I guess it would be T-101) from the first film fighting the one from the second film. Though, I deeply enjoy the decision that they went with.

[The Dream Master]

I've never heard that before. I've heard that Cameron originally toyed with the idea of having Michael Biehn play the T-1000, though. I'm kind of glad Cameron didn't go that way, even if it would have been...interesting, to say the least.

[Spook]

I can't quite remember where I heard that. I think it was some documentary about the making of the film, or possibly a commentary. And now that I think about it, it might've been Arnold that came up with the idea, and he presented that to Cameron, who liked the idea. And if I remember correctly, Cameron changed it so that it would be a different Terminator, because he wasn't sure how to pull off having two Arnolds. Something along those lines. Damn, now it's going to bug me until I find out where I heard it from. I think it might have been on the T2 Extreme Edition DVD (I don't own the Ultimate Edition, but would like to) as one of featurettes you can watch during the film.

[The Dream Master]

Yeah, if it's on the Extreme Edition, then I haven't seen it because I don't have it. I have the Ultimate Edition, and maybe it was mentioned on there, but it's just been so damn long since I've watched the extras on that one. I got that edition like 8 years ago, and that was back when I actually had time to watch special features.

[Spook]

I'm pretty sure it would be on the Ultimate Edition as well. I mean, it has more special features, and I think the features on the Extreme Edition are retreaded from the Ultimate Edition. I'll look into it, because there's a possibility that what I saw was not from a feature on the DVD.

[Jigsaw]

Although I love T2, I can't help but be annoyed at how sanitized it feels compared to T1. I don't know, just the idea of the Terminator no longer a killer and being ordered by a kid not to kill people kind of irks me, it's akin to having Freddy or Jason be bossed around not to kill. I also really dislike and even hate the message that human life is worth valuing, but that's probably just my misanthropic self. I find the message is too preachy and sappy for my liking, and with nowhere near the same impact or level of movement T1 had. T2 is still an amazing sequel, just inferior to T1 is all.

[Spook]

BTW, William Wisher and James Cameron discuss the idea of two Arnolds in the commentary for T2 located on the Extreme Edition DVD. That was going to bug me until I figured it out, lol.

[Jigsaw]

I think I remember hearing about that idea. It's intriguing, although I'm glad we got what we did in T2 with the T-800 and T-1000.

I'm happy to own both the Ultimate and Extreme DVDs of T2. Extreme has much better picture quality, but Ultimate definitely has the superior bonus features. Both are worth owning, and if you own one but not the other, the other is absolutely worth getting.

[jasonlives13]

I bought the ultimate edition years ago and I think it was my first dvd =D, absoultely hours of extra stuff, I love the documentry on T2:3D

[sooners4life98]

I heard somewhere that they are planning on making a T4?

[nottidelterrore]

You are correct. We have a thread for it here but it got buried on the second page of the section it's in.

http://www.f13-community.co.uk/board/showthread.php?t=1149

[sooners4life98]

You are correct. We have a thread for it here but it got buried on the second page of the section it's in.

http://www.f13-community.co.uk/board/showthread.php?t=1149


Thanks nottidelterrore.

[Spook]

I think I remember hearing about that idea. It's intriguing, although I'm glad we got what we did in T2 with the T-800 and T-1000.

I'm happy to own both the Ultimate and Extreme DVDs of T2. Extreme has much better picture quality, but Ultimate definitely has the superior bonus features. Both are worth owning, and if you own one but not the other, the other is absolutely worth getting.

Yeah, they said that they were even thinking of having one of the Arnolds being what ended up as the T-1000, being liquid metal and all. An intriguing idea, but I'm glad the film ended up the way it did. I mean, it wasn't even that different from what they originally planned. They just replaced one of the Arnolds with Robert Patrick.

As for the DVDs, yeah, I heard that the Ultimate Edition is jam packed with special features. I own the Extreme Edition (with the metal casing), and felt jipped at the features I got. The second disc doesn't have shit. I mean, there's essentially a 10 minute preview for the making of the film, which is lame. I need to pick up that Ultimate Edition.

[Jigsaw]

You can find the UE on sites that sell used DVDs and occasionally might find it in pawn shops and other used DVD stores.

[Spook]

I found a copy in excellent condition for $3.50 at a pawn shop, and snagged it. I think I need to re-buy The Terminator, since my copy is not only scratched from copious amounts of playing, but there's a crack and it causes the DVD to skip a lot.

BTW, how is the show The Sarah Connor Chronicles? I've yet to watch an episode, because I didn't think it looked that good (I'm not much of a TV guy). But since I'm a fan of Terminator, I've been curious as to how it turned out.

[Jigsaw]

$3.50 for the UE is a great bargain, glad you got it. Enjoy the special features.

As for TSCC, I personally love it and think it's a great show. Not as good as the first two films, but IMO lightyears ahead of T3 and it feels like a much truer continuation of the story post-T2.

[nottidelterrore]

As for the DVDs, yeah, I heard that the Ultimate Edition is jam packed with special features. I own the Extreme Edition (with the metal casing), and felt jipped at the features I got. The second disc doesn't have shit. I mean, there's essentially a 10 minute preview for the making of the film, which is lame. I need to pick up that Ultimate Edition.

The Ultimate Edition beats the Extreme Edition when it comes to special features but the Extreme Edition has better picture quality in my opinion. I just own 'em both. I have the Extreme Edition in the metal case but my Ultimate Edition is just in the normal cardboard slipcover. I'd like to own it in the metal case one of these days.

I actually just replaced my Terminator DVD with the same DVD but with the older out of print holo-foil cover that I onced owned many years ago.

[Jigsaw]

I'd love to get the metal case that the T2 UE came in. If I find it at a pawn shop I'll snag it. I own the UE in just a regular case.

[Spook]

Yeah, I was lucky enough to get it with the metal case, so now I have both editions of the film, and both with metal cases. The only thing I don't like about the metal casing for the Extreme Edition is it really tears up the side of the DVD case. I'm not sure if the Ultimate Edition has the same problem (doesn't look like it).

I may give the TV show a shot. I didn't like T3, but I still watch it from time to time (I know, doesn't make sense). But if the show is much better than T3, than I think I'll give it a try.

[Jigsaw]

I personally like it much better than T3. It drops the self-parodying style of humor T3 had and plays a lot more seriously and respectfully. It feels like a much closer continuation of the first two movies.

[El Rooto]

I still like T3 after some repeat viewings. I can't say I prefer TSCC to it.

[nottidelterrore]

Yeah, I was lucky enough to get it with the metal case, so now I have both editions of the film, and both with metal cases. The only thing I don't like about the metal casing for the Extreme Edition is it really tears up the side of the DVD case. I'm not sure if the Ultimate Edition has the same problem (doesn't look like it).

I may give the TV show a shot. I didn't like T3, but I still watch it from time to time (I know, doesn't make sense). But if the show is much better than T3, than I think I'll give it a try.

That annoys me about the metal case for the Extreme Edition as well. Annoying as hell.

I recommend the show. You can watch some episodes on Fox's website.

[Spook]

I still like T3 after some repeat viewings. I can't say I prefer TSCC to it.

The reason I dislike T3 is the fact that it makes T2 seem like it was a totally pointless film. All the shit that happened in T2 just merely postponed Judgment Day? What a crock. It was like a kick in the nuts to what JC managed to accomplish in both of his films. That's also one of the reasons I have been weary to watch the show. I wasn't sure how it would play out. But I'll watch the show, maybe a couple episodes later tonight and see if it's something I will stick to watching regularly.

Though, I am interested in seeing Terminator Salvation. I'd like to see the Future War. This is what T3 should have done. And I also thought the trailer looked pretty good.

[Jigsaw]

T3 should've been about the future war, and maybe also serve as a prequel, with the ending having Kyle and the re-programmed T-800 sent through time and the ending tying directly into the opening of the first two movies.

[nottidelterrore]

The reason I dislike T3 is the fact that it makes T2 seem like it was a totally pointless film.

That's my main gripe with T3 as well. I don't mind T3. It's an entertaining movie but it was really unnecessary. If it didn't exist, I wouldn't care too much.

I can't remember if I mentioned this or not but there are some rad T2 books out there that take place years after the events of the movie. They're called T2: Infiltrator, T2: Rising Storm, & T2: Future War. All are by S. M. Stirling. I recommend them. I've read each book about three times now within the past seven years or so.

[Spook]

I have T2: Infiltrator and T2: Rising Storm. I really haven't had a chance to read them yet, and I want to get T2: Future War. I bought the first two books before Future War came out. People were recommending reading them, so I figured it would be a nice way to waste time. Sadly, I haven't read them. I'm actually considering reading them within the next couple of days or so. They seem like good reads.

[Jigsaw]

I want to read the T2 books but can't find them anywhere. I'll see if I find them in bookstores or even used bookstores.

[Spook]

I'm sure e-bay or amazon.com have used copies for cheap. That's probably where I'm going to snag Future War from (whichever site offers the cheapest price).

[Jigsaw]

Thanks, I'll see if those sites have the T2 novels. I'd like to read them.

[The Dream Master]

I liked part 3 myself. Sure, it kind of invalidates the second one to a degree, but it's not like it erases the film itself. Sequels are always pulling that shit off.

Besides, if you think about it, the second one should technically invalidate the first by creating a time paradox. I mean, if Judgment Day never happens, then there's never a future war from which Kyle Reese and the original T-800 are sent. So, if anything, T3 makes the entire story still possible. ;)

[nottidelterrore]

I have an autographed Arnold picture from The Terminator. It's from my favourite scene too!

http://a672.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/13/l_cad007f0511963adab7fe71c8ae45337.jpg

[jasonlives13]

I have an autographed Arnold picture from The Terminator. It's from my favourite scene too!

http://a672.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/13/l_cad007f0511963adab7fe71c8ae45337.jpg

Lucky man :p

[SaturdayThe14th]

The Terminator movies, if you try thinking about it, are such a head fuck. There are so many time travel paradox's it's obvious that they never read Doc Browns manual of time travel ethics.

Seriously though if these machines are so intelligent and can manipulate time travel why don't they just go back in time and stop themselves from sending the first terminator back to kill sarah? Then the resistance wouldn't send back Reese to stop him, therefore he wouldn't knock Sarah up and hence no John Connor: Mission Accomplished. Skynet really dropped the ball on that one, should of done his homework. The machines were setting themselves up for failure from the get go. Would John grow up to be the leader of the resistance and have the knowledge of how to defeat terminators if not for his mother training him based on her own experiences with the machines, and his own in part 2?

I notice some complaints about T3 someone saying the whole judgement day is inevitable thing is a "crock" The fact that John Connor still exists at the end of 2 and in 3 should sum it up for you though. If they stop judgement day from happening John would never be born because chances are Reese would never have been born. And even if he was there is no reason for him to travel back to '84 or any other point in time. There wouldn't even be time travel because if i remember correctly the machines are the ones who invented the method of time travel portrayed in these films.

I gotta just stop thinking about it, it makes my brain run in circles.

[Spook]

Well, pretty much any movie involving time travel is going to have problems. I mean, theoretically, if time travel were to exist, the farthest back in time you could actually go is to the day that the time machine was invented and in working order (I think the movie Timecrimes is the closest a film has come to accurately portraying time travel). Also, I doubt Cameron knew where he was going to take the series when he was doing the first film. Sure, if they did stop Judgment Day in T2, it would mean that John Connor couldn't exist anymore. So I guess we can thank T3 for "fixing" that :|. You guys need to stop thinking so deeply ;).

BTW, nottidelterrore, I am jealous of that autograph. I used to have an autographed Aliens DVD signed by JC himself. But that "mysteriously" disappeared. Bastards.

[Darth Sinister]

The Terminator movies, if you try thinking about it, are such a head fuck. There are so many time travel paradox's it's obvious that they never read Doc Browns manual of time travel ethics.

Seriously though if these machines are so intelligent and can manipulate time travel why don't they just go back in time and stop themselves from sending the first terminator back to kill sarah? Then the resistance wouldn't send back Reese to stop him, therefore he wouldn't knock Sarah up and hence no John Connor: Mission Accomplished. Skynet really dropped the ball on that one, should of done his homework. The machines were setting themselves up for failure from the get go. Would John grow up to be the leader of the resistance and have the knowledge of how to defeat terminators if not for his mother training him based on her own experiences with the machines, and his own in part 2?

See, the thing is that Skynet doesn't know all these things. It doesn't know that John's father is also his first protector. There were no records on who the father was and Sarah never told anyone. And all the records on Sarah were incomplete. And since Skynet wanted to exist, it needed to change the war in it's favor. Skynet has artificial intelligence, but it does not have our level of rational thinking. It looks at the problem and comes up with the most simplest solution. That's why Skynet lost the war.

I notice some complaints about T3 someone saying the whole judgement day is inevitable thing is a "crock" The fact that John Connor still exists at the end of 2 and in 3 should sum it up for you though. If they stop judgement day from happening John would never be born because chances are Reese would never have been born. And even if he was there is no reason for him to travel back to '84 or any other point in time. There wouldn't even be time travel because if i remember correctly the machines are the ones who invented the method of time travel portrayed in these films.

I gotta just stop thinking about it, it makes my brain run in circles.

As the alternate ending for T2 showed us, history changed, but the Conners were safe from it. Instead of fading away, they just passed right over into the new timeline the same way Marty McFly wasn't affected by changing how his parents fell in love, even though everyone else had been affected. John and Sarah were anomalies.

[nottidelterrore]

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c332/albadeimorti/vlc2009-02-2621-58-14-45.jpg
Hey that guy didn't pay!

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c332/albadeimorti/vlc2009-02-2621-58-17-53.jpg
Huuuuuraaaaaawww!

[Hypnocil]

Oh, if only I could have been an adult in the 80's.....Tech Noir just looked like so much fun. :p Gotta love the generic dancing.

LOVE the first two movies. Meh about part 3. LOVE The Sarah Connor Chronicles. Am fuckin' STOKED about the new movie...I'm keeping myself in the dark about it...but I just hope I like it more than part 3.

[nottidelterrore]

I would've hung at Tech-Noir if I was of age back in the 1980s. Definitely. I just would be sure not to be there on May 12th, 1984.

I'd pay my $4.50 to get in so the mustache guy wouldn't have to beat me up & throw me out. I doubt I could crush his hand.

[Jason_Legend]

I think Terminator 2 is the best of the series, but there's a couple of issues I have with it.

It's lacks the creepiness of the original. The original felt like a horror movie much of the time. The other thing is the score. The score for T2 is so forgettable.

Other than those two things, I think T2 bests the original. Better storyline, better characters, better action. I think it's a much deeper movie.

Terminator 3 is basically T2 without the depth. It's quite fun, though.

[Just Jeans]

The opening theme and the leitmotif used for the T-1000 are the most memorable things about the T2 score. Bear McCreary does a much better job creating music for The Sarah Connor Chronicles (and Sarah's Theme is probably the best piece of music written for the franchise).

John and Sarah were anomalies.

The same sort of thing is touched on in The Sarah Connor Chronicles. When Dere Reese goes back in time and kills Andy Goode, he changes his future in massive ways. The reason Derek went back in time in the first place was because he thought killing Andy Goode would avert Judgment Day, but it doesn't, and Derek's motivation for going back in time is stripped.

When Jesse turns up, he discovers that the future she came from doesn't sync up with the future he comes from.

Also, in the season 2 finale, John jumps forward in the future, past Judgment Day, and in this version of the future John was never the leader of the resistance, and no one had ever heard of the Connors, not even Kyle. So presumably, in this new future, Kyle never went back in time to protect Sarah, so John would never have been born.

[The Tall Man]

The opening theme and the leitmotif used for the T-1000 are the most memorable things about the T2 score. Bear McCreary does a much better job creating music for The Sarah Connor Chronicles (and Sarah's Theme is probably the best piece of music written for the franchise).
I would argue the track played when Arnold is lowered into the liquid steel in T2 is the best piece of music the franchise has to offer, followly closely by the track played during the Apocalypse during the end of T3.

T.M., Esq.

[Just Jeans]

I would argue the track played when Arnold is lowered into the liquid steel in T2 is the best piece of music the franchise has to offer...

That's just a rejigged version of the Terminator Theme. And it is quite good. But I think Sarah's Theme is better than the Terminator Theme, and so by default prefer Sarah's Theme to variations of the Terminator Theme.

[The Dream Master]

I just finished watching all three in preparation for the new one, and I still like part 3 a lot. It kind of does feel like "Terminator Lite" at times, and it would have been nice if the score was better (and used more of Fidel's music), but it's a great action film: well-paced, plenty of ridiculous action, and a great character in The Terminator himself.

That said, the second one is one of the best fucking movies ever, so I guess T3 had an impossible standard to live up to.

[Deathscythe]

so I guess T3 had an impossible standard to live up to.

Thats how I feel: T3 was good but just not as good as the first two...but then again, what is?

Edit: By the way I actually prefer the original over Part 2, both great through.

[The Dream Master]

Forgot to mention it in my last post, but I actually watched the theatrical version of T2 (due to it being the only version available on Blu-ray until next week) for the first time in ages, and it only reaffirmed my love for the special edition. The theatrical version almost feels incomplete these days, especially when you lose the scene with Reese and Sarah. I also totally forgot that the earlier scene with Dyson and his wife wasn't even in the theatrical version.

[nottidelterrore]

That said, the second one is one of the best fucking movies ever, so I guess T3 had an impossible standard to live up to.

Agreed. It'd be hard for just about anything to live up to T2. I do like T3 for what it is and think it's an entertaining flick. Stahl's Connor is decent. Lack of Sarah sucks though.

Forgot to mention it in my last post, but I actually watched the theatrical version of T2 (due to it being the only version available on Blu-ray until next week) for the first time in ages, and it only reaffirmed my love for the special edition. The theatrical version almost feels incomplete these days, especially when you lose the scene with Reese and Sarah. I also totally forgot that the earlier scene with Dyson and his wife wasn't even in the theatrical version.

Whenever I pop in T2, I always watch the special edition. Without the special edition, we wouldn't have known that the Dysons have a daughter too!

[Lance Lives]

That's funny you should say that DM because I was surprised to not see that early scene with Dyson's family in the theatrical version when we were watching it the other day.

[Darth Sinister]

Whenever I pop in T2, I always watch the special edition. Without the special edition, we wouldn't have known that the Dysons have a daughter too!

I did from reading the novelization. :p I watch the Director's Cut all the time since that's the verison I perfer. The Extreme Edition DVD allows me to have the theatrical ending, but then I go back and watch the alternate ending afterwards.

[Darth Reaper]

I mean, theoretically, if time travel were to exist, the farthest back in time you could actually go is to the day that the time machine was invented and in working order (I think the movie Timecrimes is the closest a film has come to accurately portraying time travel).- Spook

But, that's the thing about time travel, it's all theoretical. Nobody really knows how it would work and what the repercussions would be. The only way to know any of that for sure is to actually invent time travel. Until then anything is possible. One theory is pretty much as good as another, because nobody can prove any of it one way or another.


Sorry if this has been brought up before but it's something that's probably been nagging at me ever since I saw T2 in theaters and I need to talk about it.

Has anyone anywhere ever tried to explain how the T-1000 worked? What are its mechanics? How does it hold itself together? How does it take on solid forms? How can it mimic human flesh well enough to travel through time? Supposedly, it has a CPU, with all of the same information as the T-800, but where is it and what does it look like?

My theory has always been that the T-1000 is actually made up of nanotechnology. It's actually made up of billions of microscopic machines that are all designed to work together to create a single larger entity. And, if each of these machines is metalic in nature, it could be argued that when they're all put together the finished product is liquid metal. Or, perhaps each nanite is bonded to a microscopic piece of metal, to provide extra durability.

Does anybody else have any thoughts?

[Darth Sinister]

I'll dig up my copy of the novelization and transcribe what was said in there.

[Rich]

T-1000 and TX were both absolutely great villans. As far as the time travel discussion goes, it has been portrayed differently so many times. The Terminator films tend to do the Star Treck thing and just beam robots back into the past. Superman flies around the Earth at a high speed and literally goes back in time.

There is only one thing I don't understand about the original Terminator film. If Kyle Reese is in fact John Conner's father, then in the future (it would have been the past) so wouldn't he actually know all along instead of just asking John if he can be the father?

Also, in T3, the T-101 tells John that he kills him in the future. So, knowing that I wonder if John can actually change the future or if they make future films after Salvation, it will be Kate Bruster. I hope they change the outcome of the future and would love to see Christain Bale up against Arnold.

[Darth Sinister]

There is only one thing I don't understand about the original Terminator film. If Kyle Reese is in fact John Conner's father, then in the future (it would have been the past) so wouldn't he actually know all along instead of just asking John if he can be the father?

Reese doesn't know that he is John's father. John never told him that. He just told him that he had to go back to 1984 and protect his mother Sarah and to memorize a message. John gave him the photo of Sarah, knowing full well from what she told John, that Kyle fell in love with her after seeing the photo. No one except maybe Kate, knows why Kyle is important. When John sent his father back, he was asked what happens to him and all John would say is that he succeeded in stopping the T-800 and that he dies. He doesn't tell the whole truth.

Also, in T3, the T-101 tells John that he kills him in the future. So, knowing that I wonder if John can actually change the future or if they make future films after Salvation, it will be Kate Bruster. I hope they change the outcome of the future and would love to see Christain Bale up against Arnold

As I understand it, it happened without warning. There are multiple versions of the 101 model and he didn't know which one was rigged.

[nottidelterrore]

Don't know if any of you have seen this before but it's hilarious as hell!

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[The Dream Master]

Holy shit, my brother showed me that a couple weeks ago, and I meant to post it here. It's fucking hilarious.

[nottidelterrore]

Holy shit, my brother showed me that a couple weeks ago, and I meant to post it here. It's fucking hilarious.

Indeed it is. I've seen it before in the past but something today made me look it up & watch it at least five times. :D

Hasta la vista, Baby Jesus.

[nottidelterrore]

I'd say the following scene is my second favorite behind the Tech-Noir shootout.

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I especially love the music playing during this scene as well as another glimpse into 2029. It just has a really dark & hopeless feel to it. Jagged metal, skulls, ruined buildings, old cars, & the survivors that the Resistance are protecting. I wish we would've seen a few more "future flashbacks."

I prefer to listen to the original audio track rather than the newer one on the DVD. Seeing The Terminator so many times over the years has made me accustomed to the way the guns sound when being fired as well as not hearing the bullets hit the Terminator's metal during the Tech-Noir shootout.

[Darth Sinister]

Indeed it is. I've seen it before in the past but something today made me look it up & watch it at least five times. :D

Hasta la vista, Baby Jesus.

Yeah, but my favorite is this one.

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[nottidelterrore]

Sarah Connor?

Yes?

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Stan Yale, the greatest bum actor of all-time. His portrayal of "Derelict in Alley" in The Terminator is legendary. If not for Yale, Reese wouldn't have gotten a sweet pair of pants....until he hit up that department store a few minutes later.

Stan Yale's breathtaking filmography:

# "My Name Is Earl" .... Homeless Man (1 episode, 2006)
- Number One (2006) TV episode (as Stanley Yale) .... Homeless Man
# "Judging Amy" .... Gus (1 episode, 2002)
- Cause for Alarm (2002) TV episode .... Gus
# "Nikki" .... Homeless Man (1 episode, 2002)
- Through Thick and Thin (2002) TV episode .... Homeless Man
# "Black Scorpion" .... Homeless Man / ... (2 episodes, 2001)
... aka Roger Corman Presents Black Scorpion (Canada: English title)
- Love Burns (2001) TV episode .... Homeless Man
- Home Sweet Homeless (2001) TV episode .... Squeegee Guy
# "The Pretender" .... Homeless Guy (1 episode, 1999)
- Risque Business (1999) TV episode .... Homeless Guy
# "Sabrina, the Teenage Witch" .... Stinky's Friend (1 episode, 1999)
... aka Sabrina (USA: promotional abbreviation)
... aka Sabrina Goes to College (USA: promotional title)
- Sabrina the Sandman (1999) TV episode .... Stinky's Friend
# Living in Peril (1997) .... Bearded man
... aka The Peril of Being Walter Woods
# Persons Unknown (1996) (as Stanley Yale) .... Homeless Man
# The Force (1995) (V) .... Homeless Man
# Bad Blood (1994) .... Preacher
... aka Viper (USA: alternative title)
# Save Me (1994) .... Homeless Man
# Monolith (1993) .... Bum
... aka Monolith (Germany)
# Trancers III (1992) (V) .... Alley Bum
... aka Death Lives
... aka Future Cop III
# Party Plane (1991) .... Ace
# "Dragnet" .... Homeless Man (1 episode, 1991)
... aka Dragnet: The Nineties
... aka The New Dragnet (USA: alternative title)
- Armored Truck 211s (1991) TV episode .... Homeless Man
# Watchers II (1990) .... Wino #1
# "L.A. Law" .... First Homeless Man (1 episode, 1989)
- America the Beautiful (1989) TV episode .... First Homeless Man
# "Matlock" .... Bum (1 episode, 1989)
- The Captain (1989) TV episode .... Bum
# Two Idiots in Hollywood (1988) .... Male Prisoner
# "Moonlighting" .... Bum (1 episode, 1987)
- Tale in Two Cities (1987) TV episode .... Bum
# Terminal Exposure (1987) .... White Wino
... aka Double Exposure
# P.I. Private Investigations (1987) .... Bum
... aka Private Investigations (USA: short title)
# The Children of Times Square (1986) (TV)
... aka Street Wise (Australia: video title)
# Hell Town (1985) (TV)
... aka Father of Hell Town
# "It's Your Move" .... Mitch (1 episode, 1984)
- Don't Leave Home Without It (1984) TV episode .... Mitch
# The Terminator (1984) .... Derelict in Alley
# Rhinestone (1984) .... Street Player
# A Minor Miracle (1983/II)
... aka Young Giants (International: English title)
# The Other Side of Hell (1978) (TV) .... Mitchell
... aka The Next Howling Wind (USA: alternative title)

Nice to see him in a wide range of challenging roles. This guy isn't typecast at all. :lol:

[Lance Lives]

I ordered the Terminator: Salvation Blu-Ray from Wal-Mart.com for like 16 bucks, I'm stoked to get it, I thought the movie ruled.

[The Dream Master]

I ordered it for the same price from Amazon. It should be here tomorrow, and I might actually give it a look immediately, which is odd for me. I actually disliked the movie the more I thought about it after seeing it in theaters, but I'm eager to give it another watch for some reason.

[nottidelterrore]

I'll probably grab it used sometime. I still haven't seen it yet & haven't heard too many great things about it but I'd like to see it for myself.

[Lance Lives]

I know that a lot of people have been trashing it Notti, but I thought it ruled. There's no accounting for taste of course.

[nottidelterrore]

I know that a lot of people have been trashing it Notti, but I thought it ruled. There's no accounting for taste of course.

I doubt that I'll hate it. Hell, I thought Terminator 3 was pretty decent & lots of people hate that one. :X

T3 is really weak in comparison to the first two flicks though. They'll never be topped.

[Lance Lives]

Yeah, I'm not a big fan of T3 and I thought that Salvation was a huge step up from that one. I really enjoyed some of the references to the older films in Salvation. Being that you're a big fan of the first two as well, I'm sure you'll get something out of it.

[The Dream Master]

When Salvation first came out, my knee-jerk reaction was to deem it better than T3, if only because it felt a bit fresh and seemed really ambitious. But, like I said, the more I thought about the convoluted and ridiculous plot, the more it fell apart for me. That script needed some major tightening and reworking, which is a surprise considering the amount of talent that worked on it. Now, I'd have to say that T3 is slightly above Salvation, even if the latter does do quite a few things right. I actually loved the direction and all the action sequences; plus, Worthington's performance as Marcus was a breakout role--he stole the show from Bale.

[nottidelterrore]

T3 was a silly action movie overall. It was fun & had loads of action. Not to mention I loved the ending & the way it came off although it pretty much made everything in T2 pointless. I'm also a huge Arnold fanboy so of course I loved seeing him don the sunglasses & leather for one last hurrah. The "talk to the hand" thing was really stupid though. The T-850 was my least favorite of the three Terminators Arnold played. I'll always love the ruthlessness of the T-800 from the first film & the humanity he brought to the Uncle Bob Terminator in T2.

I didn't care much for the T-X though.

T-1000 > T-X by fucking miles!

[Spook]

The plot holes in Terminator Salvation are just ridiculously huge. So SkyNet chose to capture Reese to lure Connor rather than just simply killing Reese, wiping out Connor's existence entirely? Okay. And for the main headquarters, SkyNet looked rather human friendly, with all the doors and other convenient locations for an easy break-in. And since when are the Terminators immune to molten steel, the very same shit that destroyed the T-1000 and T-800 in T2?

There's so much more I can go off on, haha, but it would seem redundant. I just hate both T3 and TS with a passion. I think the two screenwriters, John Brancato & Michael Ferris, are hacks. I've read several of their scripts (including the TS one) and they are just terrible storytellers. T3 was nothing but a bunch of poorly done winks to the audience of the first two films, and TS was... well, fucking horrible is the nicest way I can describe it.

[Jus-X]

In Terminator 2 once the T-1000 approaches the cop investigating the "electrical disturbance", we don't see what happened on camera. We know the cop gets hit, but was he just socked in the stomach and he's still alive? Or does anyone think the dude got stabbed' now he's dead?

[nottidelterrore]

I'd say he got stabbed. Uncle Bob says that the subject being copied is usually terminated. Although he didn't copy the guy's appearance, I believe he did copy his uniform. And of course, took his belt with the gun, ammo, & whatnot.

[Jus-X]

He didn't take his belt. The whole uniform was a copy which is why it was able to reform on him everytime. Uncle Bob also said he can't form moving parts, that includes his gun and keys, etc.

[nottidelterrore]

He still could've taken the belt, just sans the gun. I don't see why he couldn't form a key. It's not a complex machine. Not much different from him being able to make his arms/fingers/hands into knives & stabbing weapons.

But I'm not going to keep arguing about whether or not the T-1000 can form keys or other inanimate objects. Next thing you know, I'll probably start debating about where Jason Voorhees shits or if Jason Voorhees is a mindless killer. Haha.

[Jus-X]

He still could've taken the belt, just sans the gun. I don't see why he couldn't form a key. It's not a complex machine. Not much different from him being able to make his arms/fingers/hands into knives & stabbing weapons.
As far as the killing the cop or punching the cop thing, I think he did kill him just because he killed everyone else, why would the cop be the exception? But was far as the keys go, they can't be a part of him because Arnie specifically said his liquid metal technology doesn't work with moving parts. Machine's were just an example, but he can't form moving parts and a key on a keyring is technically a moving part. If the belt was a part of the copy of the uniform, then that includes gun, keys, hangcuffs, and things that CANNOT COME OUT OF THE BELT because they were all a part of the copy he made, he technically couldn't use any of it. He couldn't have stolen the belt for the soul reason that when he morphs from Janelle to his form again, or the security guard and back, the gun and keys would become a part of his liquid metal body and then he'd have to reform those pieces, which he cannot do because of their moving parts.

Next thing you know, I'll probably start debating about where Jason Voorhees shits or if Jason Voorhees is a mindless killer. Haha.

As a matter of fact, I don't think that conversation went another in direction in the F2 thread?

[nottidelterrore]

It would've been easier for him to just take the keys, yes. But I'm sure he could form keys on a keyring if he really wanted to because keys jingling around on a key chain aren't a complex machine or system. And yeah, lots of complexity & movement come with those keys on a key chain. That'd be more complex than if the T-1000 was actually able to morph into a bomb & get John!

Keep arguing if you want but I'm not changing my stance on the subject.

[Jus-X]

It would've been easier for him to just take the keys, yes. But I'm sure he could form keys on a keyring if he really wanted to because keys jingling around on a key chain aren't a complex machine or system. And yeah, lots of complexity & movement come with those keys on a key chain. That'd be more complex than if the T-1000 was actually able to morph into a bomb & get John!

Keep arguing if you want but I'm not changing my stance on the subject.

You don't have to change your opinion, but the whole point of T800 telling John he can't become machinery is that "It cant form complex machines, guns and explosives have chemicals, moving parts, it doesn't work that way, but it can form solid metal shapes."

You're focusing on the "complex machines" and I'm focusing on the "moving parts." The complex machines he mentions are just examples of the T1000's limitations.

Okay, but let's just say we throw the key idea out for now, how to you explain the T1000 forming the gun on the belt when he morphed back from copies of other people?

[nottidelterrore]

Maybe he kept the gun in him somehow or perhaps it's just a minor goof.

[Jus-X]

Well if it is a goof, seeing how it's mentioned he can't form these things, what's on the film trumps a simple assumption that the gun is hidden in his liquid metal. And what's on film are these things:

He can copy people and copy clothes
He cannot form machinery (due to them having chemicals and moving parts)
He can even grow two additional arms which have sleeves that are a part of the same fabric as the clothes he's wearing.

This being said, I believe the gun and belt are apart of his uniform, they're a part of what he's copied. He has to keep stealing the guns he uses.

[nottidelterrore]

Maybe he can copy the actual outside appearance of a gun strapped into a holster on a belt, just not have it being an actual gun that works.

[Jus-X]

Maybe he can copy the actual outside appearance of a gun strapped into a holster on a belt, just not have it being an actual gun that works.

That's what I'm saying... the gun, the belt, everything on it, it's a copy of the original cops uniform.

[The Taff]

Consider the following:


The T-1000 cannot mimick complex machines and things that require chemicals. Firearms are in this category.
The T-1000 consistantly pulls a gun from its holster. The gun in his holster is not a copy.
Most important: They show the damn bot stealing the handgun when he first arrives in the time zone.


The T-1000 does not make copies of the handgun in the holster, not even for cosmetic appearances. If he loses a handgun, he simply steals another. He stole from the initial police officer, the coffee seeking security guard in the hospital, and the motorcycle police officer.

[Jus-X]

Consider the following:


The T-1000 cannot mimick complex machines and things that require chemicals. Firearms are in this category.
The T-1000 consistantly pulls a gun from its holster. The gun in his holster is not a copy.
Most important: They show the damn bot stealing the handgun when he first arrives in the time zone.


The T-1000 does not make copies of the handgun in the holster, not even for cosmetic appearances. If he loses a handgun, he simply steals another. He stole from the initial police officer, the coffee seeking security guard in the hospital, and the motorcycle police officer.
I believe the same, he steals the firearms he uses. The dispute is if he hides it in his body, and that's why you see it in the scenes where the gun appears on his belt after morphing from a character with no fun. The answer is this: what appears on him, badges, guns, belt, these are apart of him. Once he has a firearm he sucks the gun copy in his thigh and replaces it with the real thing.

By the way Taff, your opinion on the cop, punched or stabbed?

[Darth Sinister]

Maybe he kept the gun in him somehow or perhaps it's just a minor goof.

In the novelization, which might've been from an earlier draft, the T-1000 put Lewis's gun inside of him when the nurse at the secured door reminded him that he needed to put it in the locker as guns weren't allowed in the maximun security wing. The T-1000 removes it after hearing the alarm. In the film, you see the T-1000 remove the gun from both Austin and Lewis, checking to see if it was loaded. When the T-1000 loses his first gun, it does not reappear when he steals the squad car. Nor after coming out of the elevator. It went and obtained the machine gun after taking the gear from the motorcycle cop. After the helicopter crash, you can see there is no fake gun on his belt. Nor a real one.

In Terminator 2 once the T-1000 approaches the cop investigating the "electrical disturbance", we don't see what happened on camera. We know the cop gets hit, but was he just socked in the stomach and he's still alive? Or does anyone think the dude got stabbed' now he's dead?

The T-1000 killed Officer Austin. In the book, it mentions that the T-1000 touched his body and in an instant, it had his clothes on. It didn't say anything about the gunbelt, but most likely it replicated it since we see the belt disappear into the T-1000 when he morphs into the pure liquid form. Cameron left out the absorbing of the uniform to save for the big reveal later on.

[Jus-X]

Well I haven't read the book, I just know what I see on the movie. And since when is books canon anyways? Just curious.

[Darth Sinister]

Novelizations and screenplays are second teir canon. They come from the same creative place, which is the creation of the filmmakers. Novelizations are taken from the screenplays, usually the shooting script. Any piece of material that is not supported by what was filmed and in the final cut, is subject to debate. Any piece that does not match up to the film, is considered non canon when put against the film. Case in point, the scenes in the Director's Cut matches up to the screenplay and the novelization. Hence it was always canon. The alternate ending with Sarah in the future was in the book and used as the ending, along with a different version of the Terminator's death. Where it self-terminates. It was changed during filming to create a sadder and more noble ending and allows Sarah the task of once again killing a Terminator, even though she's doing it with a heavy heart this time. The book contains the full sequence of events during the future war, which you find was storyboarded and scripted, but not filmed due to budget and effects limitations.

[The Tall Man]

Darth, how was Arnold originally supposed to "die"?

T.M., Esq.

[Jus-X]

Darth, how was Arnold originally supposed to "die"?

T.M., Esq.

Originally T800 hands Sarah the lowering system and she lowers him down. He didn't speak at all and test audiences didn't understand. Arnold went back and voice overed "Here, I cannot self terminate."

[Darth Sinister]

Not quite, the original ending was that the Terminator grabs the chain and uses it to slide down into the lava. That was in the novelization and the Marvel Comics adaptation. What you described Justyn was the revision, where the self-terminating reference was added in after the testing. Also, after hugging Sarah, John goes back for the remains of the left arm and destroys it as well. That's in the novelization, though.

[Jus-X]

John goes back for the remains of the left arm and destroys it as well.

Dyson's left arm, or the left arm T800 left yet again? Because I always expected the sequel to be based off of his arm being found because they didn't go back and get it... yet again

[The Dream Master]

Darth is talking about the arm that gets fucked up during the battle with the T-1000. John throws the arm and the chip of the original T-800 in the lava himself.

[nottidelterrore]

Uncle Bob's lost arm from T2 was mentioned in T2: Infiltrator too. One reason why Skynet still ended up being created.

[Jus-X]

Darth is talking about the arm that gets fucked up during the battle with the T-1000. John throws the arm and the chip of the original T-800 in the lava himself.

I think if that scene was in the final cut it would make part 3 make a little mre sense. Part 3 doesn't mention it and I always felt it should have. Part 3 would've made more sense if part 2 had the destruction of the arm, because of never mentioning it.

[Darth Sinister]

Uncle Bob's lost arm from T2 was mentioned in T2: Infiltrator too. One reason why Skynet still ended up being created.

The author there hadn't read the novelization, which was by that point long out of print.

I think if that scene was in the final cut it would make part 3 make a little mre sense. Part 3 doesn't mention it and I always felt it should have. Part 3 would've made more sense if part 2 had the destruction of the arm, because of never mentioning it.

The left arm from Uncle Bob might've been only in the novelization was not in any script draft. I don't know for certain. But when you watch the deleted scenes for the third film, then you see that the reason Skynet came into existence was due to the fact that not all of the research was completely destroyed and that CRS picked up on what survived from Cyberdine. In fact, that was one of the mission objectives in the T2 games, most notably the arcade version. If you failed to destroy all of it, then "Judgment Day" was still going to happen.

[Jus-X]

The left arm from Uncle Bob might've been only in the novelization was not in any script draft. I don't know for certain. But when you watch the deleted scenes for the third film, then you see that the reason Skynet came into existence was due to the fact that not all of the research was completely destroyed and that CRS picked up on what survived from Cyberdine. In fact, that was one of the mission objectives in the T2 games, most notably the arcade version. If you failed to destroy all of it, then "Judgment Day" was still going to happen.

You mean Uncle Bob's arm was in T3's Terminated Scenes? I gotta go look for that... shoulda stayed in the film IMO

[The Dark Vampire]

Just say they did stop Judgement Day then John would have no reason to send Kyle back therefor he wouldn't be born

[Jus-X]

It's only a paradox if time travel wasn't able to be done in the future. As long as time travel was possible in the year 2029 then the result is an alternate universe in which John sends Kyle back for the sole purpose of having coitus with his mother, thus creating an alternate past and proving the theory of multiverses rather than the logical universe.

What? Where did that come from? :confused:

[The Dream Master]

No, the Terminator paradox is definitely there, and you just kind of have to not think about it. It'll never make sense. If they stop Judgment Day, then there is no Future War for John Connor to become leader of the human resistance, which means there's no reason for him to send Reese back, which means he's never born...which means he isn't alive to stop Judgment Day from happening in T2 to begin with. It's all just an endless loop, and if you think about it too hard, the movies fall apart logically. So it's best not to. :p

[Darth Sinister]

You mean Uncle Bob's arm was in T3's Terminated Scenes? I gotta go look for that... shoulda stayed in the film IMO

No.

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[The One and Only]

One thing you got to realize is that more than likely, Cyberdyne, probably more than likely kept back-up copies to all of Dyson's and his team's research. Corporate espionage from rival companies trying to get the head's up on what the competition is planning. Sabotage from the rival company is also a possibility as well. Not to mention foreign interests wanting to either eliminate ,or push back the potential advantage our country could achieve on the battlefield with Skynet, and it's robotic weapontry over them until they could develop their own. Or the time they can develop a viable defense to it. Also you still have the rest of Dyson's design team still around, so they could pick up where they left off if their is enough data left over. As the T-850 said in the unfairly bashed T3, "Judgement Day was delayed.", it could still happen, just take a wee bit longer.

Also, for those wondering who would win in the battle of the eighties' mechanized icons. Check AMDSFILMS ROBOCOP Vs. THE TERMINATOR (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=29426.0). Masterfully made from clips from both franchises, and few extras to boot.:shyface:

[nottidelterrore]

For collector's purposes, I nabbed the Ultimate Edition of T2 with the metal slipcover. I also own the Extreme Edition with the metal slipcover. Nice to own three DVDs of T2, two of which are the Ultimate Edition. I have it on widescreen VHS too.

[nottidelterrore]

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[Deathscythe]

Happy 20th Birthday T2.

I liked T1 better.

[nottidelterrore]

Love this deleted scene from The Terminator and wish it would've been in the film.

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Terrific performances by Biehn and Hamilton.

[WesReviews]

T3 > T: Salvation

It's true.

[nottidelterrore]

I like them about equally, really. Maybe I like T3 slightly better because of the Arnold factor and seeing him as the Terminator one last time.

[The Dream Master]

I think T3 is the better movie, but also a safer, easier one. Salvation dared to do something we hadn't seen before, but it was undercut by a ridiculous script. So, in the end, T3 wins out.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

I'm not really a fan of T3 or Salvation. But if I had to pick, i'd say I slightly prefer Salvation. If only for seeing Arny again....despite him being CGI Arny.

[Deathscythe]

T3 > T: Salvation

It's true.

T1>T2

It's true.

[nottidelterrore]

In my experiences, most people I talk to prefer T2 over T1 but T1 is my favorite movie ever...and T2 is my second favorite ever. Really it could go either way for me because both are just incredible films. T2 took everything established in T1 and just built on it with an incredible story, effects(especially for the time), score, and acting. I could keep fanboy gushing all day over each film.

T3 is decent and entertaining even though there's a lot of dumb shit in it but I just can't hate or even dislike it because it's fuckin' Arnold as The Terminator again. I do hate that it pretty much pisses in T2's face but meh, it's still an entertaining and fun movie. Loved the Silberman cameo.

I liked Salvation, surprisingly and really think the best thing about it was Sam Worthington as Marcus Wright. Bale was kinda boring as John Connor but was ok I guess. I can sit through it from start to finish and be drawn in so it does its job.

My favorite post-T2 story will always be The Sarah Connor Chronicles. Still a fan of the T2 book series(Infiltrator, Rising Storm, and The Future War) as well.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

Yeah, T1 and T2 are just about equal for me. I love both of them to death, so it's hard to pick one over the other.

[The Dream Master]

Worthington definitely stole the show from Bale in T4. I really wanted to like that one more, and I actually did like it a lot until I started thinking about it on the way home from the theater. I've been afraid of revisiting it ever since because I'm sure to dislike it even more. I did love the direction and style though.

[nottidelterrore]

The first one is just a darker film. It has that low budget grittiness to it yet the effects are innovative as hell. And I'm partial to Michael Biehn as Reese because he's my favorite movie character of all-time. With his performances in The Terminator, Aliens, The Abyss, and Tombstone, he REALLY should've been a Hollywood A-lister. So underrated.

Brad Fiedel's early 1980s synth-score is amongst my favorites.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

Chris, I always felt Brad Fiedel was an underappreciated composer. His music for the first 2 Terminators, Fright Night, and Just Before Dawn were great.

[The Dream Master]

Fiedel is the shit; I hope to fuck the new Fright Night keeps some of his music from the original.

[nottidelterrore]

He definitely is.

And this is seriously my favorite shootout ever....hell, probably still my favorite scene ever.

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[Voorheeszilla]

The first film is definitely my favorite, & I love T2 as well. I also thought Terminator Salvation was a well done film, but I've yet to see all of T3.

[Jus-X]

I would say that T1 has more scare factor to it. We got a lot of Arnie's POV while chasing Sarah... T2 didn't have that scare factor, but was definitely story driven and had a lot of eye candy.

I still would have loved to see the POV of the T1000, did he see in infrared like T850 did? Was it different because of he was built from liquid metal?

I agree that T3 was better than Salvation.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

Yeah, T1 definitely has some horror elements to it. I agree with you their Justyn.

[Deathscythe]

Watching Last Action Hero.

Stallone was the Terminator over there.

[Jus-X]

Watching Last Action Hero.

Stallone was the Terminator over there.

Last Action Hero was a great film. It cracked me up when I saw Sly as the Terminator in the film.

[Natman]

Fiedel is the shit; I hope to fuck the new Fright Night keeps some of his music from the original.

I've been saying that from the very first announcement. Like the trailer, love the cast, if there's any one thing that could lower my opinion, this right here would be it.

Oh. And topic. I love 'em both and love T2 more, I just don't tell the original that to it's face.

[Deathscythe]

Apparently, Brad Fiedel now works as a surf shop owner. :/

[nottidelterrore]

http://alancook.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/the-terminator-01-large.jpg

[zombie extra 3]

In the 21st century a weapon will be invented like no other
This weapon will be powerful... versatile... and indestructible
It can't be reasoned with
It can't be bargained with
It will feel no pity
No remorse
No pain
No fear
It will have only one purpose
To return to the present and prevent the future
This weapon will be called THE TERMINATOR.


I love the trailer for the first Terminator film. So badass!