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Zombie

09-09-2007, 06:15 AM

I think UFC 75 was one of the best event's this year, it just sucks that it was horded by commercials and Spike ONLY showing the advertised fights. While I think it's cool they're doing free PPV's for UFC, I just wish there was a choice in being able to order the Live PPV event or even a cheaper taped delayed version and or watching a commercial filled advertised fights only free tv.

There was defitnitely enough time for them to show an undercard or two. Heck if they didn't have commercials they probably could have shown at least 3 undercards depending how long those lasted.

I'm sooooo happy I didn't jump on the "Cro-Cop is going to destroy the heavyweight division in UFC" bandwagon. He won his first EASY fight and has been torn up not once but twice now against two supposed "easy" fights for him. I think Rogan said it best that there isn't anyone in the UFC or Heavyweight division that they could have cro-cop fight as a warm up fight coming off a loss. It's gotten that talented and doesn't look like cro-cop is going to be in a title fight for a long time.

I also think Matt Hamil got robbed tonight as well. I was all for Bisping, but I felt that he got dominated in that fight. While Hamil didn't really do anything when he took Mike down he did get the takedown, and I felt he was landing more clean shots as well and not just swinging wildly like Bisping was. Defitnitely going to create a huge controversy.

Davis vs Taylor was AMAZING!!! I couldn't believe Marcus was able to recompose himself and continue fighting after that HUGE kick to the head, and not only to recompose but to also come back and get the armbar for submission. Both guy's really put on a show and defitnitely showed TRUE MMA action. From stand up to the ground just amazing.

I don't really care for Houston Alexander, I don't know if it's his style or the way he acted when he ko'd Jardine. I just don't like/care for him. He did show though it wasn't a "fluke". Guy has power in those strikes, but I think Jardine took him to lightly and had Alexander fought this guy first then say fought Jardine tonight I think it would have been a totally different outcome. Or if they ever cross paths again, I think Jardine will get revenge and beat Alexander.

Back to Bisping, I think they need to bring him to the US. I think he get's soooo nervous when fighting in his hometown/country because sooo many people are for him and I think it just throws him off his gameplan. He looked really awful tonight. Granted he started to get more into his grove in the third round but I thought he lost the first two rounds so was really surprised when he was announced the winner. Maybe UFC trying to save themselves from a riot??? lol

As for the main event. Simply a great great fight between the two. I am kind of weary about the decision though. I honestly thought Dan was going to get the win. I even texted my friend saying "Oh man if Rampage just had 30 more seconds he would have TKO'd him and won the fight" because I really thought Dan was going to get the decision. I thought the first 2 rounds was all Dan, 3rd round could have gone either way. I didn't pay much attention to the 4th round but I thought that Rampage won the 5th round with that strong finish at the end, and had he had just a little more time he would have probably got the KO or TKO.

I'll need to watch it again, he thought Rampage won the fight. Even though it was close he thought he won. I can kind of agree, but I don't think he "dominated" Dan to get the scores that he did. You could even see the shock from Dan when Rampage was announced the winner. Also after seeing how that fight went I could only wonder how it would have been had it been Liddell vs Henderson? Would it have stayed standing more? Would have Liddell gotten clinched up like Quienten was and getting taked down like that? Would Liddell been able to have KO'd Dan? Alot of questions that needs to be answered still. I really wish it was Chuck in tonights fight, but oh well can't win em all. Hopefully he'll rebound and come back even stronger and get his belt back.

I wonder if this is the last of Cro-Cop? He hasn't impressed me since he's been in the UFC, I've never rooted for him nor thought he was going to come in and make the impact people thought he would have. I thought Tim Silva would have beat him. We may still see that match? He was just very timid and Congo just dominated him the whole time and wasn't afraid of him. Rogan again hit it right on the head, when he said that Cro-Cop is a completely different fighter when he's getting backed up and not doing the stalking. You saw it tonight when he was stalking Congo he kind of had the upper hand but then Congo turned it around on him and just dominated him. Just looked like he was waiting for a one kick/punch to end the fight instead of fighting and wearing down his oppenent and looking to win. I wonder how Dana is feeling now after probably waiving alot of money and hyping Cro-Cop and now he's lost 2 in a row. To bad so sad.

Still a great PPV overall. Just wish there was an option to have ordered it in HD and non commercial version. I may have not ordered it at home but I would have went somewhere to watch it or maybe would have ordered it, I just cant stand the commercials. Then all of em being the same thing over and over and over... Ugh...

Erik

09-09-2007, 08:36 AM

I'm completely sickened by the Hamill vs. Bisping screwjob. Fuck those judges. Fuck them up their English asses.

Geddy Peart

09-09-2007, 07:34 PM

I thought UFC 75 was a decent event. I think Cro Cop's losing it, he's not the monster he once was. I don't think his focus is where it should be.

And I, like many others was/am disgusted with the Hamil/Bisping decision. Bisping is also an assclown, the way he talked post fight as if he won by KO. Matt on the other hand was a class act. He gave Bisping his props, and everyone knows he's the real winner. I'm surprised the UFC aren't promoting Matt Hamil more; he was training for the Olympics and has a hearing impairment. If that's not a human interest story I don't know what is.

I got up at 5:30am yesterday morning so by the Bisping/Hamil fight I was dozing off. I went to bed before the Rampage/Henerson bout. But I'm glad to hear Rampage won.

D-Lo

09-11-2007, 01:02 AM

I hate to sound like a conspircay nut but it seems like Bisping is being protected. I don't understand that decision whatsoever.

I don't know what is going on with Cro Cop. Hopefully he bounces back, I wasn't expecting him to get a highlight reel KO over Kongo because of Kongo's striking, but I thought Cro Cop would dominate on the ground.
Cro Cop got KTFO against Randleman way back when and then later went on a tear. Hell, him winning the OWGP was after that KO. It sucks to see him lose twice like that, especially after it seemed certain he would clean out the HW division. It's frustrating because it starts to remind me of BJ Penn, and you always want to see a fighter fight at the level they are capable of and not a half assed performance.

Geddy Peart

09-11-2007, 02:29 PM

No, I agree D-Lo Bisping is being protected. They're trying to build him up to the Euro crowd.

I think the problem is Cro Cop is he came into the UFC thinking it would be easy. Since losing to 2 "easy" fighters I think he's gooten a dose of reality.

Heh, I remember when Couture came back and everyone was afraid of him losing to Cro Cop. However, it's pretty evident now that Couture would run through Cro Cop like a train.

D-Lo

09-12-2007, 01:05 AM

Yeah, who would have thought that. (Couture running through Cro Cop), but I agree, if they fought right now I'd have Couture as a heavy favorite.

This whole year has just been wacky with upsets, but I really don't see Bisping getting through Shogun, Wanderlei or Rampage. It's just not possible to me. Hell, I don't see Rampage getting past Shogun or Wanderlei, he might beat one, but the odds are stacked against him beating both.

Zombie

09-12-2007, 03:22 AM

I think the biggest reason for these "upsets" more this year then before is that all these fighters are now able to make this their full time job. Their able to just train day in and out, so their evolving and showing their real potential then what it was when they were probably working FT and then training at night or as much as they could.

As for Cro-Cop, I don't even think it's "him" in general but EVERYTHING. From the octagon, to different rules, and again these fighters putting in their effort in the gym and stuff. Also their not afraid of him. But like I mentioned when cro cop was "stalking" kongo or pushing the fight he had the advantage but then Kongo turned it around and that threw cro-cop out of the match. Also, it's not just about stand up anymore. It's not boxing, kickboxing, it's MIXED MARTIAL ARTS! So when you have someone like Cro-Cop who's been mainly stand up and you have these guys taking him down without no worry about going through the cage like you would on ropes and actually HAVE to learn the ground game it's really thrown him off his game.

Fighters that stay one dimensiol will NOT become champions, it just doesn't work that way anymore.

Geddy Peart

09-12-2007, 05:47 PM

Agreed Zombie, however it does appear that CC is continually working on his ground game training with Dean Lister and all.

BTW D-Lo, how do you see Chuck doing against Wandi and Shogun? I kinda think his glory days are coming to an end. His current style is ideal for beating wrestlers, but as Zombie pointed out, the fighters todays are becoming more well-rounded. Also, his partying lifestyle will catch up him now that he's a few year shy of 40.

The only way I see him staying a top fighter is if he cleans up his diet habits and goes back to school like Randy did.

D-Lo

09-13-2007, 12:18 AM

Honestly Geddy, I'm a big Chuck fan but I don't see Chuck surviving Wandy or Shogun either. Wand swings very wildy and that could play into Chuck's game, but who knows. It'd be an insane fight either way. As of right now I see Shogun being the man to beat once he gets established in the Octagon. I see him being a bad matchup for Chuck overall and have Shogun as a big favorite in that fight.

I thoguht Liddell had evolved his style a lot over the last 4 years, but the Rampage fight made me reconsider. Chuck is a grappler's worst nightmare, but a competent striker is will give Chuck fits. Even in the Overeem and Mezger fights, which he won, he still ate too many shots.

GameOver

09-13-2007, 03:08 AM

Zombie

09-14-2007, 04:01 AM

I think Chuck would have a decent ground game, the problem is we've never seen it go that long or far. When Randy did take Chuck down he was able to get back up, so I think Chuck is or will do just fine. He just got caught with Rampage out of no where. The one thing Chuck WILL need to work on is his backing up and "hoping" he catches someone like he has been doing. That's like playing possum in a way and he clocks you. I think Rampage might have picked up on that and that's why he was able to catch him while Chuck was backing up like he usually does and is not protecting but trying to throw his punch in. I wouldn't even say Rampage got lucky. If he got "lucky" then he would have been DESTROYED by Henderson. Chuck lost fair and square and basically got beat at his own game.

So now it will be "can Chuck change enough to make a comeback?" and I think he can. Just because he's almost 40 doesn't mean anything, I'm starting to notice the older fighters are the better over all. I don't even think it has to be more experiance just because they're older but more mature and a little more patient and not just looking for the highlight reel KO like some of these younger fighters are or do.

Everyone loses in their career, there might be some undefeated guys right now but they will lose. I don't think anyone is or will ever remain undefeated. Also sometimes it's good to lose because usually when you do lose your fight it's because you get soft, don't take training as serious, maybe under-estimate your opponent (GSP, Diego, Rich Franklin, Cro-Cop, Tim Silvia, etc.. etc..) That's not to take anything from the people that beat them because they obviously put their time in training and went after it with nothing to lose. I think also when your on top for so long you lose your edge and determination, you get distracted from what your doing because you then have to be the poster boy for everyone, doing commercials, movies, all that stuff. I really think Fighters need to just concentrate on fighting and not be like these WWE "wrasstlers" and try to be in movies, fight, train, movies, train, fight, whatever. Them Wrasstlers are scripted. All they need to do is stay in shape, hell they're already acting as it is in their soap opera.

Chuck will win next weekend, he will be in another title fight by next Summer if not by Spring, wether he'll become champion again I don't know. We'll have to see how he plays this out and who he would be fighting against. If it's Rampage again, well it's going to be tough but he's going to have to really prove he deserves fighting Rampage for a 3rd time because this time won't be a "rubber match" so I have a feeling UFC will be a little reluctant in giving him a fight with him right away.

We'll see what happens. It's really anyone's title right now in every division, it's just who wants it more. Although I think Randy is going to a little tough to beat right now, also if BJ Penn was to drop I think he would be the other dominate fighter as well.

GameOver

09-23-2007, 05:46 AM

Michihiro Omigawa vs. Matt Wiman
Winner Wiman unanimous decision.

Scott Junk vs. Christian Wellisch
Winner Christian Wellisch 3:19 (heel hook)

Diego Saraiva vs. Jeremy Stephens
Winner Stephens Unanimous decision

Anthony Johnson vs. Rich Clementi
Winner Clementi RNC 2nd round

Thiago Tavares vs. Tyson Griffin
Winner Griffin unanimous decision

Kazuhiro Nakamura vs. Ryoto Machida
Machida Unanimous decision

Diego Sanchez vs. Jon Fitch
Fitch split decision

Mauricio Rua vs. Forrest Griffin
Winner 3rd round Griffin by RNC!!!!!

Chuck Liddell vs. Keith Jardine

Winner Jardine by split.

Zombie

09-23-2007, 09:32 AM

MY POST CONTAINS SPOILERS!!!
THE TITLE OF THE THREAD SAYS "SPOILERS"

Reason is because I don't always like typing with the spoiler tags, espcially when it's going to be a large/long post.

So I'll start off by qouting myself!

The one thing Chuck WILL need to work on is his backing up and "hoping" he catches someone like he has been doing..

To qoute myself. The ONE thing he DID NOT work on. The dean of mean came in and pretty much beat Chuck at his own game. Those kicks Jardine was connecting with were DEVISTATING! At first I thought Jardine was scared out of his mind or nervous as all hell with the way he was moving around in the octagon. I certainly don't ever remember seeing him fight/stand/move around like that before. I was just waiting for Chuck to right kick him to the head when Jardine would duck to his left side after doing a Punch & Kick, or Chuck throwing an uppercut and connecting with it. However neither happened.

I'm sure when Chuck reviews the tape he'll see how wide open that was and how many times it was open. I've also never seen anyone's ribs get TORN UP from continous kicks in the same spot through out the fight. Or like their innerthigh for that matter. I think those are what probably did the most damage to Chuck and not letting him really pivot with his punches and move around like he wanted to. Also I think Jardine could have KO'd Chuck with that one punch that dropped him if he would have "followed through" like basically punching straight instead of like going downwards with his punch like he did. It was just weird.

Either way, good job to Keith Jardine, congrats on a HUGE win. Chuck Liddell was right when he said he and other fighters that having "nothing to lose are the most dangerous" oppenents. Jardine went in and got the job done. A little sloppyish in the beginning but managed to pull it off and stick with his gameplan and came out the victor.

I'm getting REALLY sleepy, just barely trying to mahe to type and my eyes keep getting crosseyed and heavy kind of closing. So gonna be a little more brief, post more tomorrow.

I'm dissapointed that Diego lost, he did have the toughest oppenent yet. I think Fitch was a lot tougher then Koschek was. Diego did look 10x's better then his fight with Koschek. You definitely could tell that staph infection that he had his last fight really threw him off his game. I guarentee you next time Diego fights Koschek again Diego will destroy Josh.The biggest thing I believe hurt Diego was Fitch was HUGE! Compared to Diego, and surprisngly controlled Diego on the ground. Diego did have him in an almost submission hold but I think the other guy was just to powerfull for him. I guarentee you Fitch was about 180-185 lbs when he stepped into the octagon. Diego did look in great shape though. I don't understand why they were "boo-ing" him. Made no sense, after he admitted to losing his fight then they cheerd? Oh well, was a devent fight but I think Diego should have kept it standing more. I think he wasted to much energy trying to take hime down and i've never seen him get so dominated especially on the ground. Oh well, you win some and lose some. Still a good match, props to John Fitch for getting the win.

Also, how about Forrest Griffen? How about that fuckin guy?!?!? He was just toally awesome tonight and on the top of his game.

So time for bed, I'll ad more tomorrow. I got into a movie on the PSP that O was finally able to get working. So time for bed and I'll post more tomorrow.

Good overall PPV!

Geddy Peart

09-23-2007, 05:30 PM

I thought it was a great ppv.

Even though I expected Rua to run a clinic on Griffin, I was rooting for Forrest. I'm glad he won, he deserves it. He fights with a lot of heart and I see him being championship material.

As for the Chuck/Jardine bout, I wasn't surprised Chuck lost. I expected him to come in hungry, but as I said earlier his glory may be passing him. Chuck very much fights like a one-dimensional fighter and the holes in his game will be exposed even moreso as time goes on. BTW, did anyone see him crouch against the cage in disappointment after the descision was announced? I wonder if he's considering retirement.

Overall, a solid ppv, probably one of my favorites this year. I'm glad we're seeing more well-rounded fighters coming in as well.

D-Lo

09-23-2007, 06:36 PM

Completely unbelievable. Shogun gets tapped by Forest. Holy shit. I don't even know what to say because that should never have happened. Forest deserves his win, though and he is a fighter I like but damn.

As far as Chuck, I'll quote one of the guys from the bar I was at: "damn son chuck aint got it no mo'". Chuck just refuses to step up his game, his style is primarily effective against grapplers who don't wanna stand and trade. He made zero adjustments throughout this last fight. Disappointing but not suprising to me. He is just too set in his ways.

I'm super impressed with Fitch. When I was watching the fight I said to a buddy that we're probably looking at the next champ. His work ethic, skill set, size and most importantly cardio are all where they need to be. Time will tell but the dude is a serious threat to that entire division.

The opening fight was a blast to watch, super technical.

Geddy Peart

09-23-2007, 07:23 PM

As far as Chuck, I'll quote one of the guys from the bar I was at: "damn son chuck aint got it no mo'". Chuck just refuses to step up his game, his style is primarily effective against grapplers who don't wanna stand and trade. He made zero adjustments throughout this last fight. Disappointing but not suprising to me. He is just too set in his ways.

Indeed.

The Iceman is melting.

I think Cuck could still pull a Randy and improve his game, but otherwise, I see him being grouped with Ken Shamrock: an older fighter who doesn't want to evolve.

Zombie

09-25-2007, 04:17 AM

Well, not much more that I can add to my other post. I thought the first match with Tyson and the other guy was amazing. That's what MMA is about. Also for once the crowd in CA didn't get me that pissed and their boo'ing (except for when they boo'd Diego, I don't know what that was about and they or anyone should boo these athlete's unless they do something to obviously piss people off or break rules and show bad sportsman ship) and that's surprising considering when the fight is not pure stand up and ko's CA people like to boo.

Tyson and Thiago (found his name lol) was just all out amazing and all around great skills. Standing, ground, grappaling, everything was shown in that match and neither had any problems adjusting when the style changed, also the crowd was able to follow and know they weren't just "resting/being lazy" so good job to them for having the match of the night on the first fight of the night.

The one match that did piss me off was the second one, Kazuhiro Nakamura vs. Ryoto Machida. It was mainly Kazuhiro and how he was doing NOTHING! He looked stupid as hell and scared as all hell to be there it seemed. He seemed to have gassed and just running away and at times you didn't know if he was just going to give up or what? He reminded me of a kid I would coach in wrestling when I was coaching and he just didn't do anything and or do the opposite of what I would tell him to do and like not listen on top of making himself look like an idiot. It's like I would shout out moves or things to do that was wide open and or stuff he would work on but just would not do it. Even when wrestling a kid that wasn't nearly as good as he "could" have been and it was like he was timid and scared to get aggressive. and that's exactly how Kasuhiro looked liked. Also Machida didn't look all that great either. Granted he "won" and did more, but he should have been able to finish the other guy off, there really wasn't any excuse NOT to have been able to finish the other guy. The other guy was just doing nothing. So either Kazuhiro had a really awesome chin and could take some hits or Ryoto didn't have any power in his punches or elbows because some of those shots looked pretty brutal and it didn't even drop the other guy. I bet there was an undercard fight that was more exciting then this fight.

So that's about it. I posted about the other fights already. I still think this was a great PPV. Even though there was no undercard fights shown, the action, matches, everything was so intense that I didn't even pay attention to what time it was and or if they were wasting time or not. There did seem to be less talking/advertisments in-between fights as well. Maybe because fight's weren't getting finished in the first couple of rounds or people are voicing their opinions about all the stuff they do is wasting alot of time? Either way was a good ppv and I wasnt even thinking of how many fights had been shown or not shown for once, which is a good thing. Kind of dissapointed they didn't speak with Chuck Liddell at the end of the fight because I would have liked to hear what he had to say about his poor performance and or what he plans to do next?

Denzil

09-25-2007, 09:29 AM

Regarding Chucks future, plus some Brock, Fedor news.

from www.f4wonline.com:

Chuck Liddell said at the post-fight press conference last night that he was going to sit down and consider whether he was going to fight again. That's a pretty monumental statement from, based on ESPN coverage this past week, perhaps the biggest star the company has. Dana was clearly unhappy that Chuck vs. Wanderlei apparently got screwed up again, and seemed to indicate he wasn't going to just make the match for December as some have suggested.

In other notes, he said that he had not signed Fedor or Brock Lesnar, but hoped to get deals done with both. He thinks the chances of signing Fedor will be better after Fedor finishes up his Sambo tournament commitments this fall.

Geddy Peart

09-25-2007, 01:52 PM

Randy vs. Fedor by '08!

D-Lo

09-25-2007, 11:48 PM

I'm not holding my breath, but it would be awesome to get Fedor in there. Despite all the craziness going on with upsets, I don't see Fedor suffereing the same fate as some of the other Pride stars. Fedor only has one glaring weakness: he cuts like butter. Elbows could spell doom for him. The Price vs UFC stuff is just completely out of hand now that Forest has beaten Shogun's ass. IMO, Shogun and Cro Cop losing to unheralded fighters has little to no bearing on Fedor's performance in the octagon.

Zombie

09-26-2007, 08:30 AM

Technically they could still do Liddell vs Silva being that both fighters have lost their last 2 fights. Although I think Dana would rather have it seem like a "dream match" as not alot of people may not know that Silva has lost his last two and still build him up to be this threat and of course you know Dana want's Chuck to just dominate him so he could still go on how UFC is better then Pride fighter. He may not say though out-right openly, but you know he's thinking that in the back of his mind.

Also there's really nothing to build off of those two fighting. As much as I am a fan of Liddell I don't think he or Silva should have an automatic title fight for the winner. If anything they would need to win at least 3 in a row to even be consider'd title fight material.

If Dana signs Lesnar, then hopefully it's just a 1-2 fight deal. Although I liked him in WWE and he's one of the main reasons I stopped watching because he left and I support him in anything he want's to do, I just don't think he's even remotley close to the competition in UFC. He needs to fight a "real" fighter/fight to even be taken seriously. I just don't want to see Lesnar get this "huge" deal when there are ton of other fighters that deserve a deal way more then Lesnar does and or other fighters that deserve more pay then Lesnar would. I just don't like how he's just marketing himself because what he did in WWE which is scripted and everything "given" to him to make him a "star'. I'll admit he's one hell of an athlete, but he still had a very long way to prove himself outside of "pro wrestling" and in the "real world" of Professional Athletes.

Hell, I'd rather see Kimbo signed before Lesnar. He might be old but hell, he's definitely been fighting alot longer then Lesnar and Kimbo is evolving himself and not being a one dimensial stand up and bang fighter like I thought he was going to be.

On a Pale Horse

10-05-2007, 08:08 PM

Man, CFFC canceled their event for next week. No Kimbo vs Tank !! Not that those 2 are world class fighters or anything, but it would have been entertaining to see two heavy hitting monsters get in the cage together. Maybe they will still get it on out in the street!! Or perhaps UFC will sign the match.

Denzil

10-06-2007, 12:30 AM

That is a damn shame. Maybe another promotion will pick up the fight, i don't see UFC doing so.

They probably still have a bad taste in their mouth from when they signed Sean Gannon (after all the buzz about his fight with Kimbo Slice) for a fight at UFC 55. Gannon got humbled by Branden Lee Hinkle in the first round.

Denzil

10-10-2007, 02:55 PM

More Kimbo - Tank news!

from www.sherdog.com:

Palace FC to Make Formal Offer on Kimbo-Tank

Wednesday, October 10, 2007
by Josh Gross (joshg@sherdog.com)

An offer to resurrect the heavyweight spectacle between celebrated street brawlers David "Tank" Abbott and Kevin "Kimbo Slice" Ferguson (Pictures) is expected to be presented Wednesday morning to both parties on behalf of the Palace Fighting Championship, Sherdog.com learned Tuesday.

"I have spoken to both sides' management," said PFC's Christian Printup via e-mail. "I am submitting a formal offer (Wednesday) morning. If it satisfies their financial needs the fight will happen on Oct. 18 in the PFC. If it doesn't, I can take comfort in knowing we made a very substantial offer nonetheless."

Based out of Lemoore, Calif., the PFC rose out of the Central California valley floor after the departure of World Extreme Cagefighting -- which populated the Palace Indian Gaming Center from 2001 until Zuffa purchased the company in 2006 -- and has promoted three events this year.

In Abbott-Ferguson, the upstart promotion, which uses a five-roped ring rather than a cage for its fights, is attempting to salvage a bout that was intended for the Cage Fury Fighting Championships on Oct. 6 in Atlantic City, New Jersey.

The card was cancelled on Oct. 5, when CFFC president Felix Martinez issued a statement on the promotion's Web site announcing an investor pulled out at the last moment, thus costing the event, which billed itself as the largest on the East Coast, an opportunity at pay-per-view.

The hyped heavyweight bout could join a PFC card that features four championship fights.

At middleweight, Kenny Ento (Pictures) fights Justin Levens (Pictures). A lightweight clash will see Shad Smith (Pictures), who was stopped just 71 seconds into his fight against Nam Phan (Pictures) on Oct. 6, face local star Poppies Martinez (Pictures). "The Ultimate Fighter 1" veteran Lodune Sincaid (Pictures) fights Jeromy Freitag for the PFC light heavyweight strap. And a welterweight battle pits Chris Botelho (Pictures) against Morris Aldaco (Pictures).

Printup also told Sherdog.com that a day following its next card the PFC is expected to sew up a television deal, though no details were released.

"I am in general very excited right now," Printup said.

EliteXC has also shown an interest in Slice, a source in the company confirmed to Sherdog.com. Canada' Hardcore Championship Fighting, which is offering a card Oct. 19 in Calgary, has also shown interest in making the bout.

On a Pale Horse

10-10-2007, 10:16 PM

Looks Kimbo vs Tank could happen afterall. PFC has made an offer to the two to take their fight into their federation..

http://www.palacefightingchampionship.com/sNews15/home/h1palace-fighting-championship-pfc-interested-in-making-kimbo-slice-vs-tank-happenh1/

Denzil

10-11-2007, 10:01 PM

more Kimbo Slice news:

Kimbo Slice Signs with EliteXC; Nick Diaz Signs Extension
Posted by MMA Junkie on October 11, 2007 at 2:35 pm ET

ProElite.com, the parent company of the Elite Xtreme Combat organization, has signed famed Internet brawler Kimbo Slice to fight on the organization’s upcoming Nov. 10 event in Corpus Christi, Texas.

Earlier today ProElite.com broke the news, which was confirmed by Sam Caplan at fiveouncesofpain.com.

The 33-year-old Slice was slated to headline an Oct. 12 Cage Fury Fighting Championships event against UFC veteran David “Tank” Abbott, but last week, event organizers pulled the plug on the show, citing the loss of a key investor.

Numerous MMA promotions were vying for the bout after CFFC’s cancellation. And while Slice has been signed, EliteXC made no mention of Abbott, though the California-based promotion says more news about the signing will be available later today.

Slice rose to fame as an underground brawler when his fights were marketed on the Internet. The former football player and bodyguard for pornography companies made his MMA debut at CFFC 5 in an exhibition bout with boxer Ray Mercer. Slice needed just 72 seconds to earn the victory via guillotine choke.

The Nov. 10 EliteXC event airs on Showtime at 10 p.m.

In addition to Slice, EliteXC today announced that former UFC fighter Nick Diaz has signed a long-term contract extension with the organization. The new deal adds an additional two years to the remaining two fights on his current contract. With the new deal, Diaz will fight exclusively in the U.S. for EliteXC. Diaz next fights on the organization’s Nov. 10 event for EliteXC’s new and vacant 160-pound title.

EliteXC will next host a “ShowXC” program, which features up-and-coming fighters, Oct. 26 on Showtime. The fight card includes J.C. Pennington vs. Javier Vazquez, Jared Hamman vs. Aaron Rosa, and female fighters Shayna Baszler vs. Jennifer Tate. “ShowXC” is the MMA version of Showtime’s popular boxing program, “ShowBox.“

Great news, Kimbo signs for one of the bigger MMA companies that runs shows on Showtime. So at least his fight will be watched by a decent amount of people.

I just checked Elite XC (http://www.elitexc.com)'s website and they have Wesley "Cabbage" Correira and Ricco Rodriguez under contract, either of them would be a great first fight for Kimbo.

Geddy Peart

10-12-2007, 03:57 PM

And either one of those would make mintsmeat of Kimbo. Especially Ricco.

D-Lo

10-12-2007, 07:24 PM

Elite XC has been doing everything right lately.

Geddy Peart

10-12-2007, 09:18 PM

Elite XC has been doing everything right lately.

Except for the color commentators.

Denzil

10-13-2007, 07:00 PM

On the Figure Four Online radio show yesterday:

Mauro Ranallo said that Elite XC were considering bringing in James "The Colossus" Thompson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Thompson_%28fighter%29) to fight Kimbo at the upcoming Nov. 10 event. Elite XC are also talking to Tank Abbott.

I reckon that Tank would be a "safer" fight for Kimbo.

D-Lo

10-14-2007, 04:19 PM

Tank would definatley be the better match up. It would probably be the better fight for the fans as well. Thompson aint the greatest, but he'd probably kill Kimbo. He does watch a lot of dvd's.

On a Pale Horse

10-14-2007, 11:01 PM

It will be interesting to see how this turns out. Too bad I don't have Showtime! I still want to see the Kimbo-Tank fight. They match up real well: hard strikers, street fighter mentality, limited grapping, very strong but short winded.

I dont know about James Thompson. I looked at his record... I see a bunch of fights where he was KO'd in under 1 minute.

How bout Kimbo vs Butterbean.

D-Lo

10-15-2007, 10:13 PM

I'd give Butterbean the W. Despite being considerably fatter, Butterbean has better cardio and Kimbo would have a hard time knocking him out.

On a Pale Horse

10-15-2007, 10:47 PM

I'd give Butterbean the W. Despite being considerably fatter, Butterbean has better cardio and Kimbo would have a hard time knocking him out.

In a stand up slugfest- yeah, Bean. But Kimbo is really working on his ground game with Bas Rutten. If Bean could stay of his back and get clean shots off, he'd knock out Kimbo.

D-Lo

10-16-2007, 04:33 AM

One of my former coaches has this to say about rolling with Butterbean. "Having that guy on top of you is the worst feeling in the world"

My point being, Butterbean is so heavy it makes him extremely difficult to deal with on the ground. If you look at his record, he hasn't just been finishing the fights on his feet. Noting his last loss is why I said it'd be hard for Kimbo to KO him, but it's not impossible.

Loss Tengiz Tedoradze TKO (Punches) CR 22 - Hard as Hell 7/14/2007 1 4:26
Win Wagner da Conceicao Martins Submission (Keylock) PRIDE 34 - Kamikaze 4/8/2007 1 2:35
Win James Thompson KO CR 20 - Born 2 Fight 2/10/2007 1 0:43
Win Charles Hodges KO PFC 1 - King of the Ring 1/18/2007 1 0:45
Loss Rob Broughton Submission (Strikes) CR 19 - Fearless 12/9/2006 2
Win Sean O'Haire TKO (Punches) PRIDE 32 - The Real Deal 10/21/2006 1 0:29
Loss Ikuhisa Minowa Submission (Armbar) PRIDE - Bushido 12 8/26/2006 1 4:25
Win Rich Weeks Submission FF 5 - Korea vs USA 7/15/2006 1 1:29
Win Matt Eckerle Submission FF 4 - Fightfest 4 5/20/2006 1 0:56
Win Aaron Aguilera Submission (Choke) ROTR 9 - Rumble on the Rock 9 4/21/2006 2 1:15
Win Leo Sylvest Submission (Choke) FF 2 - Fightfest 2 4/14/2006 1
Win Wesley Correira TKO (Doctor Stoppage) ROTR 8 - Rumble on the Rock 8 1/20/2006 2 5:00
Win Walley Keenboom Submission FF 1 - Royce Gracie Fightfest 12/9/2005 1 2:37
Draw Michael Buchkovich Draw KOTC - Payback 2/25/2005 2 5:00
Loss Genki Sudo Submission (Heel Hook) K-1 - Premium 2003 Dynamite!! 12/31/2003 2 0:41

On a Pale Horse

10-18-2007, 02:04 AM

This is a pretty funny video.... is this really Tank Abbott?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ULoQkdcLrnY

Geddy Peart

10-20-2007, 07:51 PM

So UFC 77 tonight any predictions?

I think Franklin's going to go out there with something to prove, but Silva's on a whole other level. I say Silva. Either way, it's going to be a war.

I'm also pulling for Vera, but will he be able to do what Randy did and get around Sylvia's reach? Also if the pre-champ version of Sylvia shows up it could spell trouble for "The Truth".

On a Pale Horse

10-21-2007, 05:17 AM

So Brock Lesnar is in the UFC? I wonder who is first fight will be against.

Also, they ended up pitting Kimbo against some guy Mike "The Rhino" Bourke, who is huge, but has a weak record at 8-11.

Denzil

10-21-2007, 09:47 PM

Ah well, hopefully Kimbo will win and get his match against Tank.

Zombie

10-21-2007, 11:05 PM

Was a great PPV. One of the first one's that didn't seem to last the full 3hrs. Just seemed to go by pretty fast. All fights were good, just dissapointed that Franklin lost yet again. Anderson Silva is for real and just a beast.

I'll be one of the first one's to admit that I didn't give enough credit to Silva. I thought he got lucky his first fight against Franklin and then didn't really have any real title defences. However last night's performance made me change my mind and will now give him full credit for holding that belt and to be honest after last night's performance don't think there's anyone that can take it away from him right now. Before Rich was the one bigger and stronger then everyone in that division and would dominate people, now Silva is just about everyone's size if not smaller but strong as hell and just dominating. Silva's size shows you don't have to be a muscle bound freak to have freakish stregnth. You could see Rich's eye's when Silva was holding the back of his head just trying to get away from that but Silva was just to strong.

I think the ref in Silvia's and Vera's match just sucked. Any other ref would have seperated them and or stood them up. I blame most on Vera who was the one just holding on trying to survive. When loose Silvia still dominated Vera with strikes. People just don't give the credit Silvia deserves but I'm still for him all the time (might change a little since Lesnar is now in the picture) but Silvia still my fav heavyweight and will get the belt again.

Still wish they would have shown the Okami/McDonald match instead of the one before the Silva/Vera match. But still turned out to be a good ppv.

Geddy Peart

10-22-2007, 02:31 AM

Was a great PPV. One of the first one's that didn't seem to last the full 3hrs. Just seemed to go by pretty fast. All fights were good, just dissapointed that Franklin lost yet again. Anderson Silva is for real and just a beast.

Agreed, Silva's a monster and I can't really see anyone getting past his stand up.

but Silvia still my fav heavyweight and will get the belt again.

Hurray for the return of boring heavyweight title fights.:side:

D-Lo

10-22-2007, 03:35 AM

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q247/Chucknol/silvadance.gif

That guy is sick. End of story.

Zombie

10-23-2007, 02:19 AM

Hurray for the return of boring heavyweight title fights.:side:

I don't think Silvia is boring whatsoever. It's the people who fight him who are scared to "attack" him. We all saw what happened to Arlovski on their second fight and he tried to rush him and he got KO'd. Silvia is HUGE, there's only so much people can do against him. I think couture did an excellant job but he is quick compared to all the other heavyweights and can get away with what he did against Silvia. Every other "big" heavyweight can't move as fast as courture and have to try and find a different strategy against Tim.

I don't know why everyone hates him so much, he wasn't running away from Vera, sure he may have pushed him against the fence but when seperated he brought it to Vera and dominated him standing. When he fought Monsoon he was even putting submissions and being offensive against him, he wasn't just sprawling and moving away. He may have did roids but he admitted to it, paid his punishment and moved on. I'll give anyone a second chance if they can admit to their mistakes and learn from it.

He might be a little "goofy" with his belt and all but so what, it's something he's earned and fought for. Let him show it off, it's not hurting anyone. I think he matches pretty much everyone's pace and turns it up when he has to. Why go out and risk getting KO'd or submitted in a sudden move when YOUR THE CHAMP. The other guy needs to come and beat you for it. Like his 3rd fight with Arlovski, Andre didn't come and bring it to Silvia so why get suckerd in and lose because it just takes that one fraction of a second to lose a fight. Granted Arlovski was hurt and did only what he could do but that's what happens.

Geddy Peart

10-23-2007, 03:58 AM

The reason why people don't like Sylvia is because he fights with no heart. He just does what's necessary to carry the fight to a decision. If he has an oppertunity to finish, he doesn't take it. That's why people love Randy Coture. He comes in with an excellent game plan, sets the pace and never lets up.

Basically, Tim lacks aggression.

Randy Couture going in there and giving it all to finish his opponent while sticking to a good gameplan = exciting with heart

Tim Sylvia basically holding someone down or against the cage to squeeze out a decision = boring.

Funny thing is, I actually liked Tim before he won the belt. He was hungry and went in there with something to prove, especially his 2nd bout with Arlovski.

But when he won the belt it's like he changed. He was content with doing enough just to meet the bar, not going above and beyond like before.

D-Lo

10-25-2007, 02:08 AM

I didn't like Sylvia because of how he fought. How he carries himself didn't have as much of an effect, it was mainly the fact that he had a knack for making a potential stand up war into stall and brawl. Plus I met him and he was a dick.

Geddy Peart

10-25-2007, 04:29 AM

D-Lo

10-25-2007, 04:31 PM

I was at a small time MMA show where my instuctor was fighting. Some of the UFC guys were there for a meet and greet. One of my friends wanted to meet the fighters so I went with him to take pictures and talk. Rich Franklin was there and was a very nice guy, so was Sean Sherk. Sylvia just had a bad attitude like he didn't want to be there. It's one thing if we bugged him in the parking lot or something like that, but it was a freakin meet and greet. My friend asks to take a photo and Syliva rolls his eyes. He gets up to take the picture and I ask how to use the flash and Sylvia is like 'hurry up and take the fucking picture' mind you, all in a 5 second time span.

I felt like saying 'see that's why no one likes you', but he is like 6'8" and nearly 300 lbs :)

When they had him come out before the main event everyone there booed the fuck out of him.

Again, me not liking him has more to do with his fighting style than anything else. Despite the story I posted.

Geddy Peart

10-26-2007, 03:06 AM

Maybe the booing put him in a bad mood?

Anyway

CHUCK vs. WANDY CONFIRMED:

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On a Pale Horse

11-05-2007, 10:06 PM

Mike Bourke pulled out of the Kimbo fight. Replacing him will be Bo Cantrell. This guy looks he will give Kimbo a much tougher challenge. http://www.elitexc.com/fighter/show/bocantrell

http://www.elitexc.com/assets/images/fighters/headshots/kimboslice_hdsht.jpg
vs
http://www.elitexc.com/assets/images/fighters/headshots/bocantrell_hdsht.jpg

Denzil

11-06-2007, 12:46 PM

Should be a decent fight.

I read on Sherdog (http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles.asp?n_id=9805) that Kimbo's fight against Ray Mercer was classed as an "exhibition" fight so his upcoming fight against Bo Cantrell will be his first proper MMA fight. Bo is actually 10 - 10, he recently lost to Brad Imes by Submission (Gogoplata) on October 27, 2007.

Did you know that Brad Imes has won 2 straight fights with a Gogoplata, he may be the first professional fighter to do so. Here is a link to that story:

http://ktfomma.com/brad-imes-strikes-gogoplata-gold-again/

Erik

11-11-2007, 04:23 AM

Anyone else just watch the Kimbo fight? That was ridiculous. Lasted less than twenty seconds. Give Kimbo a legitimate opponent already.

On a Pale Horse

11-11-2007, 07:02 AM

Yeah I saw it one punch knock out. I almost ordered showtime just to see this fight, glad I didnt. I saw it on youtube. I'd like to see Kimbo take on Tank or Cabbage next

Zombie

11-11-2007, 07:31 AM

Yeah, I ordered Showtime for the fights. What I like about it is you only get billed for how long you have it on for. So if I cancel tomorrow I'll just be billed for one day of showtime which is alot better then had this been a PPV event which I would have been kind of pissed.

Not because of the Kimbo fight. That kind of happened like I thought it was. Although the hit that hit Bo didn't look that solid. Looked like if he was supposed to get hit and go down but screwed it up. Basically like a fixed fight to be honest. Oh well.

I was more pissed with what happened with the Diaz vs Noon's fight. YOu know, I never cared for Diaz, think it was mainly how he acted and how immature he has been in the past, however I've seen him mature more and more. Kind of like pulling a Tito. So I was kind of going for him. I think the decision was a very poor decision. Diaz had worse cuts before and was able to continue, right when Goldberg mentioned how Diaz was busted up in his fight again Gomi, I was texting my friend that he should be ok because of that fight so it was like if Goldberg was reading my mind lol.

Then they stopped it. So I can understand the fans reaction and all the boo's and for once I agree with them. Because I don't think they were boo'ing Noon or Diaz but the ref and Dr's that decided to call the fight. The first cut that happened on the show that "Dr" got, now that was a cut and a totally understandable stoppage. That was a huge cut and no way of stopping that. When they showed Diaz they already had the cuts above his eye's stopped it was just the one on his nose still kind of going and that wouldn't have affected him that much.

I think they should have gave him another chance and let him go one more round and see what happened. Because of what happened I can see Diaz probably quitting the Elite XC Whatever promotion it is. Maybe not because he doesn't have anywhere to really go, but still could see him maybe pulling out of his "long term" contract.. Guess we'll have to see what happens and or what Elite XC offer's him to make him happy and to make up for how he got robbed.

Was an ok event. Guess about as good as it can go for a lesser known promotion and was alot better being "free" in a way then being a PPV.

On a Pale Horse

11-11-2007, 05:41 PM

So I wonder whats next for Kimbo. They could put him against Cabbage who's already in EliteXC. They could bring in Tank to finally get that fight done. I'd love to Butterbean take him on.... is he under contract anywhere? Brock vs Kimbo would be great but Brock is of course with UFC.

There is a lot of gossip that the fight was fixed, but if you look at Cantrells record- 5 1st round losses in a row, it actually makes it seem more legit.

Loss Kevin Ferguson TKO (Strikes) Pro Elite - EliteXC 11/10/2007 1 0:19
Loss Brad Imes Submission (Gogoplata) KOTC - Arch Rivals 10/27/2007 1 0:55
Loss Dave Huckaba KO GC 67 - Vendetta 8/4/2007 1 0:05
Loss Dave Huckaba TKO GC 63 - Crackdown 5/11/2007 1 0:26
Loss Tim Persey KO (Punches) Elite XC - Destiny 2/10/2007 1 1:33

Erik

11-11-2007, 10:15 PM

So instead of just fixing it, they just put Kimbo up against a scrub that they knew would lose. Still doesn't give me great confidence in Kimbo's ability. Like I said, give him a legitimate opponent already.

Zombie

11-12-2007, 12:12 AM

I think Kimbo will do good. His real test's are going to be when he fights a guy who is good on the ground. I think Kimbo has the punching power and stand up advantage over pretty much anyone he faces. It's going to get intresting when he get's taken down, is on the bottom, fights someone with a longer reach with kicks.

You got to remember his youtube fights. There was no padding on their hands, he's taken hits, he's ko'd people, so I think he has a very good chance in MMA Professionally. But like Brock Lesner he hasn't really been put to the test. Brocks test will be stand up. I think his advantage and style will be grappaling and on the ground. Standing up though will be a different story till we see him standing.

Alot of people seem to dismiss these fighters just because they were made famous somewhere else, yet forgetting that they're still "Athlete's" (Brock more so then Kimbo, but Kimbo has been doing something similar just all stand up)

On a Pale Horse

11-12-2007, 12:49 PM

I am sure Kimbo will face better opponents. You cant expect a guy to fight Feder in his debut fight. They were talking about Paul Buentello too, that'd be a great match up.

On a Pale Horse

11-17-2007, 03:45 PM

Here's a good interview with Bas Ruten. He talks a lot about Kimbo and other MMA news.

http://hacnews.com/basrutteninterview.html

Voo-doo

11-17-2007, 04:45 PM

when will UFC 79 be available for purchase?

Zombie

11-19-2007, 04:47 AM

The fights last night were, eh'ish at best. Some decent fights, it was just the card was not exciting at all. Ed Herman kind of surprised me by being able to withstand that submission at the end of the 2nd round. Had he had like 10 more secs left though he would have tapped I'm pretty sure. Hell the undercard fights sounded more exciting then the televised fights.

Easially the weakest PPV/Card of the year.

On a Pale Horse

11-24-2007, 05:17 PM

Still no word on Kimbo's next opponent. I am hoping they give him someone decent. Of people contracted in EliteXC, I'd like to see him take Cabbage, or Antonia Bigfoot Silva. Silva is a beast at 6'4 290, and 9-1 record. That would be a great clash.

If Kimbo wins a few fights, I think it will ultimately set up a Kimbo vs Brock match. That would sell some serious pay per view. I'd bet it would be record setting.

Voo-doo

11-25-2007, 07:16 PM

GSP will take over for Serra and he will fight Hughes for the interim title.

Geddy Peart

11-25-2007, 07:49 PM

I'm surprised GSP took the fight. He'll only have a little over a month to train. I also wouldn't be surprised if he gets injured and has to pull out.

Denzil

01-10-2008, 02:04 PM

from f4wonline.com:
Although it's likely a long way down the road, perhaps even spring 2009, the Frank vs. Ken Shamrock website is already up.

Here it is:

http://www.bloodbrothersppv.com/

Geddy Peart

01-10-2008, 06:50 PM

Frank will maul Ken.

Denzil

01-11-2008, 10:50 PM

It is strange that there are two different countdowns though.

The one on the main page ends on 24th December 2008.

When i went onto the myspace, it has a countdown that ends on 1st April 2009. It may be a hoax, however the link at the top "MMAE" of the website is affliated with Frank Shamrock.

On a Pale Horse

01-17-2008, 10:27 PM

Conference call between Kimbo, Tank. and Gary Shaw (promoter)... pretty entertaining comments.

http://www.mmanews.com/other/EliteXC-Conf.-Call-Detailed-Recap:-Kimbo-Tank-G.-Shaw.html

Denzil

01-18-2008, 10:01 AM

It was very funny. Them both cutting promos on each other.

Kimbo talking about Tank having so many fights then comparing it to porn made me laugh. The ESPN's guy response was cool too: "i don't think we'll be able to put that on espn."

However, the best part was Gary Shaw's long rant on Dana White. While i don't agree with what he said it was very entertaining to hear.

On a Pale Horse

01-18-2008, 09:09 PM

I am looking forward to this fight. Granted it wont be a showcase of MMA skills, but it will be cool to see two mean m'fers got at it. Kimbo will finally face someone who's not afraid of him. I also think Tank is stronger, and can hit harder. Kimbo's a lot hungrier for the win and fame though, where as Tank is just fighting for the hell of it.

Denzil

01-19-2008, 07:04 PM

Frank will maul Ken.

According to MMAWeekly (http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=5494&zoneid=13) this is definitely going to happen:

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/articlefiles/5494-HEADLINE.jpg

Frank Shamrock will defend his Strikeforce middleweight title against Cung Le on March 29 at the HP Pavilion in San Jose, Cali, but it's his bout planned for the first quarter of 2009 that's getting the most attention. Frank Shamrock confirmed that he will fight his adoptive brother and UFC Hall of Famer Ken Shamrock early next year.

"Oh yeah. Unless I die, it's going to happen," the younger Shamrock told MMAWeekly.

Frank is a middleweight, 185 pounds, and Ken has fought most of his career as a heavyweight, but his most recent bouts have been in the light heavyweight division, 205 pounds. Frank revealed the two will compete at light heavyweight.

Frank said, "I do know the weight will be at 205. That's what Ken wanted. The where doesn't matter. The when will be the first quarter of 2009. The how will be right hand, left hook, right hand, and then that will be it."

The 35 year-old Strikeforce champion believes the match with the older brother that made the Shamrock name famous first will be the biggest fight in mixed martial arts history.

"It's going to be because this is the story that everyone can understand. Even if you don't like fighting, you get the story. You get the storyline. You get the characters. You get the players. I think this is what breaks our sport open to the masses, for real."

Shamrock plans to promote the fight heavily, unprecedented marketing of an MMA fight. He said, "I'm going to commentate on this next (Elite XC) event. I kind of got clued in on using the Showtime vehicle to promote these pay-per-views, these matches. In particularly we're all gearing up and focusing on the Blood Brothers: Shamrock vs. Shamrock match. We're both going to get it on, on Showtime, show our faces and build this fight the way a fight should be built."

He continued, "I've been examining the sport for a while. I think HBO has got it right for boxing, doing the 24/7 series, having a term of marketing, creating a docudrama, docu-reality type atmosphere leading up to an event. We're going to do the same with Blood Brothers. This will be the first fight that has a solid 13 to 14 months of marketing behind it and real story lines, real stars. I think this is the fight that's going to change the sport of mixed marital arts, make it more talent oriented instead of company oriented."

After all these years of back-and-forth banter between both sides, will the Shamrock feud be finally put to pasture when the two legendary combatants fight for real?

Frank Shamrock stated, "I think that's the big answer. I can tell you how I think it's going to be because I wrote the storyline, but that might be giving away the goods. I can tell you what it's not going to be. It's not going to be boring. It's not going to be not exciting. I think in the end it's going to be a loving, cathartic, family bringing together experience that everybody can understand, but it could just be a young brother kicking his older brother's a**. I don't really know."

Geddy Peart

01-21-2008, 02:39 AM

However, the best part was Gary Shaw's long rant on Dana White. While i don't agree with what he said it was very entertaining to hear.

He has a point and while EliteXC has some great fighters, the UFC is is where the best are. Since Pride was bought, the UFC has all of the top fighters (save for Fedor) under their umbrella.

Zombie

01-27-2008, 06:19 PM

I totally forgot about UFC 80 as I can see everyone else has as well. I admit it was the weakest card for the year so far and probably should have aired for free, but I'd be damned if I said the PPV wasn't worth it. The last PPV was very awesome. If you were watching it to see some good fights that's exactly what you got. Not to mention you also got to see 8 of the 9 fights the event had! Great KO's, TKO's and Submissions. This is the only gripe I've had with UFC lately was that they waste to much damn time through out their event's and only give us 5-6 fights when they easially could show the entire card if they would cut out some of the BS through out the event.

Hell they think we're retarded and forgetfull or something. Granted they did the same thing and have to keep reminded the viewers that the "main event" was still to come during every break and during the fights. However I kind of felt like they didn't waste as much time the first couple of hours and really tried to show more fights then just the guarentee'd televised ones. I don't know if they knew they had a pretty weak card or if this is something new their doing this year? But it did seem to kind of not talk so much or show unn-important things and just get on with the fights wether they were the televised ones or from the undercard.

Maybe it had to do with almost every fight ending with a KO, TKO, and or Submission, but I'll be interested to see if they try to keep this trend up and show more undercards then in the past.

If people watched the UFC for KO's and stuff then that's what they got at the last PPV. Which I'm hoping doesn't start to get people expecting in every match because the last fight night as well had some good fast ending fights as well even though I haven't seen the full event just yet. However it's been a damn good month for UFC and the fights have all made more sense then just reading them on paper.

I'm also happy for BJ Penn on being able to get a championship again. If there was anyone that I felt that has been hyped up so much and only lead to dissapointment has been Penn. However his last two fights have been excellant and really show what he is capable of when he's on top of his game and in shape. Also to Stevenson as well, knowing that the fight could have ended at any moment after being brutally cut on his hear really stepped it up and I think had it been anyone other then Penn, Stevenson probably would have won once he tried to finish the fight before they stopped it, but Penn was just a better fighter and able to overcome his barrage of punches and made him tap.

Now we have UFC 81 next Saturday and I'm already excited for it. Granted I'm going for Lesnar as he was the only reason I was still watching WWE when he was in it and watched his debut MMA fight and wasn't long enough to answer any questions so I'm really pulling for Lesnar. I'm also hoping Mir is kind of back in shape and has been taking it seriously. I kind of liked him before his accident and was hoping he would have been back in the title picture to see a rematch with Sylvia but that obviously never happened, but his last fights he has shown improvement and now maybe being back as a "main eventer" maybe that'll push him a little bit more in becoming what he used to be.

Also hoping big Timmy can KO Nog, people can boo Tim all they want, he knows he has fans out here and needs to not let the crowd get to him nor let them try to change his gameplan just because people want to see a brawl. Granted maybe Sylvia has kind of toned down his fights a little but maybe it's the people he's fighting against just arent rushing him like they used to because of his KO power? Sylvia has a long reach and thats what he uses to his advantage. Just like how any other fighter uses their stregnth to their advantage yet they don't always get boo'd. The whole point is to win. Now KO or make the guy Tap. That's just extra icing on the cake if that happens. But I think as long as he can keep it standing he'll win and possibly even KO/TKO Nog. He at least won't make the mistake like Heath did and let Nog recover after kicking him in the head (which for some reason think that might have been a fixed fight and Heath was supposed to lose and when he got that kick might of messed up plans????)

It's been 2 great events so far, let's see if the 3rd one of the year is even better!

Geddy Peart

02-03-2008, 07:43 PM

Man UFC 81 was the night of the Jiu Jitsu fighters. Ricardo Almeida looked phenomenal and while I predicted Brock would destroy Mir, my opinion changed when I saw the weigh-ins.

Mir looked like his old self and Brock looked nervous, like a small fish in a big pond nervous. Then during the fight, I thought Brock was going to kill Mir w/ GnP and then he slipped up. I'm really wondering how his inexperience will affect his overall fight ability.

Overall, great card.

Zombie

02-03-2008, 10:37 PM

It was a pretty good PPV and some good come from behind victories. I think Lesnar just made a rookie mistake. He's still young and this is where he's putting his career so he'll be back and he'll keep getting better. I don't know if people were boo'ing thinking this was just a "try-out" or just a promotion or something but I think after he talked for a little bit people realized this is where he wants to be and he's not giving up. I'm still all for him and I still have great faith in him. Hell maybe it's better that he came in and took on legit competition.

I'll be honest and truly felt Mir was being thrown in more like a stepping stone for Lesnar. Mainly due to Mir's performance after his injury. Maybe Mir saw it the same way and took training a lot more serious this time as well, so that could have been the push Mir needed. Because I don't think Mir was lacking in skills but more "dedication", conditioning, and stuff like that. After I saw the countdown shows and Mir's training and seeing how much he's gotten in shape I knew right then that this was going to be a closer fight then I first thought.

There was one MAJOR thing though and this could have costed Lesnar the match but we'll never know? The ref stoppage and point deduction. Lesnar NEVER "knee'd" Mir in the back of the head, like the ref said when he stopped the fight and broke them up. There might have been slight strikes to the back of the head when Lesnar was punching down but that was mainly due to Mir moving his head all over the place trying to avoid the shots. Normally the ref just tells the fighters outloud "watch the back of the head" stuff like that. Then if it keeps happening delibertly (sp?) or on accident then the ref will step in and give a WARNING! Not take a point off right away. I think this was a HORRIBLE call by the ref and was totally uncalled for and could have costed Lesnar the match. If you go back and watch the fight away, you'll see that the ref was really going in to stop the fight, but when he got there it looks as if he realized he made a mistake and saw Mir was fine (hell and probably knowing that his ass would have been chewed out by Dana had he stopped it uncalled for) so then used the "Knee strikes to the back of the head" as an excuse. Even if Lesnar's knee did strike Mir to the head it wasn't on purpose, it would have been on accident as Lesnar was just moving his position. More like an accidential head-butt in boxing, again still no reason to deduct a point. But his knee NEVER touched Mir's head!!!

Either way, it was a good fight, Lesnar got "caught". The hole time he was standing there we were yelling at him to move his feet. We even saw the ankle/knee lock coming, but I think his adrenaline was to far up and caught in the moment and forgot about it. It's not a dissapointint loss. I will say though he did fuck up Mir though in the short period they did fight. So Lesnar does have some power.. He's got the ground/grappling game down. He just needs to learn/work submissions and defending them and he's going to be a beast. It was another fight that went to fast to really see any of Lesnar's skills. So it's going to be interesting watching him grow into the sport.

Tim was doing pretty good to, but like he said, Nog is known for getting thrashed in the first couple of rounds to only come back and win the fight. Nog had a really nice take down on Sylvia though. That was so quick that I didnt even see it coming. Sylvia was doing good to on controlling in and knowing when to finally let Nog back up because he even knew Nog is to good on his back. I was really hoping Sylvia would win especially after Mir won because I still want to see a rematch between those two, especially now that Mir is looking like he back on top of his game. I would much rather see a 100% Pre-Acciden Mir vs Sylvia match up then a shell of his former self Mir vs Sylvia. There's still alot of questions from their first match up and having ended so quickly. So with Sylvia losing and Mir winning that definitely throws a huge wrench in seeing a rematch anytime soon because you know Sylvia would be all for wanting to fight Mir, but I'm sure Mir is wanting to fight for a shot at the title or moving higher in ranks instead of fighting someone who just lost. But who knows, maybe this will set up a fight between Sylvia vs Cro-Cop finally?

It's just the beginning of the year for UFC and alot of questions and match ups are just blooming and remain to be seen.

Another solid PPV though. I'll never argue when they show 8/9 fights. Definitely felt like my money was well spent again. So far they're on a roll this year with their events and hope it continues. Starting to remind me of when their old PPV's were really worth it because they tried to show as much as they could and fill the majority of the 3hr time slot. Props to UFC so far.

Toejam

02-04-2008, 01:20 AM

I thought the point deduction was because he punched him in the back of the head.
I also thought he should have received a warning first because he wasn't trying to hit him in the back of the head, it happened because Mir was ducking and moving around.
I think everyone saw that Lesnar is a beast, and if he improves his submission defense he will be a tough opponentm and a excitnig fighter in the UFC.

Mir also deserves some props for keeping his cool when Lesnar was Mauling him.
Good fight. Even if it was short.

Zombie

02-04-2008, 01:32 AM

The ref very first stated "Knee'ing to the back of the head" or something "Knee to the head" and then during the hoopla whatever he like changed it. Very surprised it was Steve also. I could see Herb doing stupid ass calls like that but not Steve. This is why we need Big John to come back. If I were Lesnar I would try to make it a case to UFC "officials" or whatever kind of action they can take if they have a dispute with a ref. Even if it's filing for an apology lol.

At least Lesnar was all Class Act in his loss and didn't use anykind of excuse even saying something as little as "I'm new" or something like that, that could have generated even more boo's from the crowd. Which still I'm surprised they were boo'ing as much as they did. I figured they were gonna be more for Lesnar, when he debuted in his first MMA event he got more appluases from there then in the UFC.

On a Pale Horse

02-04-2008, 04:36 AM

I think Brock definitely show some potential. He's got the power, wrestling skills, and aggressiveness to be a great fighter. His slip up was due to inexperience. I am sure he learned a valuable lesson in the fight. I am very interested to see how he turns out.

Denzil

02-04-2008, 04:25 PM

Seth

02-05-2008, 12:53 AM

In my opinion, it's not too far-fetched of a thought that Brock might get his foot torn off with a heel hook.

Heel hook, kneebar ... it's all the same. WHERZ MAH E-COOKEH?

D-Lo

02-07-2008, 04:41 AM

I'm going to see the Kimbo vs Tank fight live. Maybe we can get some pics. Should be a lot of fun.

Denzil

02-07-2008, 11:05 PM

I'm going to see the Kimbo vs Tank fight live. Maybe we can get some pics. Should be a lot of fun.

Should be a great atmosphere there.

The heavyweight bout pitting Antonio Silva vs Ricco Rodriguez should be a good fight too. It'll be great to see James Thompson and Yves Edwards fighting on the card too.

On a Pale Horse

02-08-2008, 02:41 AM

Kimbo is on Jimmy Kimmel tonight, should be a fun interview. I am sure it will be on Youtube if you miss it.

D-Lo

02-08-2008, 03:09 AM

Should be a great atmosphere there.

The heavyweight bout pitting Antonio Silva vs Ricco Rodriguez should be a good fight too. It'll be great to see James Thompson and Yves Edwards fighting on the card too.

The overall card looks great. I heard Ricco was a last minute replacement. Safe to say UFC aint the only show in town.

Kimbo is on Jimmy Kimmel tonight, should be a fun interview. I am sure it will be on Youtube if you miss it.

I seem to remember Tank also going on Kimmel recently. That was a good one. The Kimbo interview I'm sure will also be entertaining.

Denzil

02-12-2008, 01:00 PM

Here is the final card for the Kimbo vs Tank show:

EliteXC: Street Certified (2/16/08) – Miami, Florida (BankUnited Arena)
Live on Showtime 10pm ET

MAIN CARD

* Tank Abbott (9-13) vs. Kimbo Slice (1-0)
* Ricco Rodriguez (27-7) vs. Antonio Silva (9-1)
* Kyle Noke (13-4-1) vs. Scott Smith (14-4)
* Yves Edwards (32-13-1) vs. Edson Berto (13-4-1)
* Brett Roges (7-0) vs. James Thompson (14-7)

PRELIMINARY CARD

* Rafael Feijao (4-1) vs. John Doyle (6-2)
* Jon Kirk (10-2) vs. Yosmany Cabezas (4-0)
* Dave Herman (9-0) vs. Mario Rinaldi (6-2)
* Eric Bradley (2-1) vs. Mikey Gomez (6-3)
* Mike Berhard (3-0) vs. Lorenzo Borgameo (2-0)

D-Lo

02-14-2008, 11:53 PM

Saturday can't come fast enough.

On a Pale Horse

02-15-2008, 11:10 PM

I FINALLY gave in and got Showtime to watch this. Only $12/month for 12 months, special right now.
ADDED:
So what are your predictions? I think its a pretty even match up, with each side having some advantages. But I will go against the grain here and say TANK wins by KO in 1st round.

D-Lo

02-16-2008, 12:21 AM

I think they'll both gas and Tank will win in the 2nd by wrestling/gnp. It won't be pretty though. That's just a wild guess. The fight could very easily be over in 30 seconds by either fighter.

Denzil

02-16-2008, 06:18 PM

It is a hard fight to call. I reckon that Tank will gas before Kimbo but i can't rule Tank out as he has had many more fights than Kimbo.

I'll go with Kimbo by 1st round KO.

On a Pale Horse

02-17-2008, 05:47 AM

Well, Kimbo KO'd Tank in 41 seconds. I wanted to see the fight at least go 2 minutes. Oh well. Hopefully they give Kimbo a decent opponent for his next fight.

The rest of the card was pretty good. Rodriguez vs Silva was a great fight.

Toejam

02-17-2008, 06:35 AM

I think the walk to the cage was enough to leave Tank gassed.
That was pretty pathetic.

Zombie

02-17-2008, 08:53 AM

I wonder when they're going to stop "protecting" Kimbo and actually give him a REAL opponent? I mean come on, his first 3 fights are like the "shell" of their former selves. I still think his last fight was kind of weird because he wasn't even landing shots that well and the guy falls and taps? Then we have Tank, which is by no means a real MMA fighter. His time was done his first few fights in the UFC. He was just popular because of the format they had and his pretty cool KO highlight reels. Hell, to me I think of Tank as like the Brooklyn Brawler of the MMA Universe lol.

But seriouslly, they say "I think the critics have all been silenced now" which is not even close. If anything it has made them talk even more about how Kimbo is not the real deal. Who's that one guy the UFC went and brought in that had like 1 underground fight or was popular because of it "Gannon"? or something like that and they bring him in and he just get's destroyed and owned in his first and alst fight in the UFC, well if they gave him the same people Kimbo has fought he would have done just as good. I really think UFC used him as an example of "Just cause your famous online doesn't mean you can actually hang with the real/elite MMA fighters of the UFC, so stop sending us tapes" kind of deal lol.

Once Kimbo can beat someone that isn't older/fatter, out of shape, and has a winning record and is a full time trained fighter then I'll give him a little more credit. Right now he still hasn't proved anything. If anything his fights on Youtube have been against people that could probably beat the same people Kimbo has fought as well. Also we don't know much about Kimbo on if he can take a hit, ground defense/offense, conditioning? Nothing. I still think he has a hell of a punch, but he needs to truly be tested. None of his fights have been anything to "brag" about and or to even be proud of. Then he says his other "dream" fight is Tyson, come on, that's another washed up guy that wouldn't prove anything if Kimbo were to win.

Is he really in MMA to go for a title or is he in the MMA just to be more of a circus act, like a special feature?

I haven't seen the rest of the card yet so not sure how those fights went.

On a Pale Horse

02-17-2008, 04:10 PM

Its definitely time for Kimbo to step up to a real opponent. He's 3-0 but hasn't even encountered ANY resistance yet.

I'd say best bet for next opponent is Brett Rogers (black guy with the mowhawk). He's 8-0 and a hard slugger. I dont think Kimbo is quite ready for Silva or Rodriguez yet. Shamrock might be an option too. But I really think Rogers vs Kimbo would be the way to go- a battle of two rising stars.

D-Lo

02-17-2008, 11:24 PM

I'm so pissed that I forgot to bring the camera.

Every fight was great. Antonio Silva is so freaking huge in person. Seeing the Yves Edwards sprawl/knee combo was a treat. That was the first time I've seen someone do that move, actualy one of the undercard fights was the first time, then Yves does it later that night. Very cool.

When Tank came out, he was met with a chorus of boos, of course. Kimbo comes out and it's just pure chaos. The only think I don't like about Kimbo being involved in MMA is there was 10x as many wannabe thugs as I've ever seen at an MMA event. The univeristy had a very hostile air to it, like everyone there is sizing you up. The Scott Smith fight was immediatley boo'd 30 seconds in. I agree that 1st round stunk, but Smith more than made up for it in the 2nd.

The whole night was just KO after KO. Aside from the thuggery and the fact that they didn't sell beer there, it was the best live MMA show I've seen.

On a Pale Horse

02-20-2008, 02:06 PM

Paul Buentello has called out Kimbo on an MMA show a couple days ago. That would be a great fight. Paul is a hard hitter, and actually has a good record, unlike Tank and Cantrell.

Denzil

02-23-2008, 09:31 PM

Was an impressive victory for Kimbo.

The torch of "king of the mma street fighters" has been passed from Tank to Kimbo.

I think that it would be too soon to put him up against Ken Shamrock, i reckon that they will just keep on putting him up against people who will stand and trade and avoid anyone with a ground game.

He will be Elite XC's answer to UFC's Houston Alexander.

D-Lo

02-24-2008, 11:37 PM

I will give credit to Kimbo for evolving since his fight with Sean Gannon (at least I think it was Gannon). I thought he was going to fight Tank just like he did in that old fight and tire out in 2 minutes. His cardio is still questionable since the fight was so brief, but his ability to to keep the fight where he wanted it has improved. Tank tried to bulldoze him and it was ineffective.

On a Pale Horse

02-29-2008, 03:55 AM

MMA live on network TV. EliteXC and CBS..

CBS AND PROELITE JOIN FORCES TO BRING MIXED MARTIAL ARTS

TO PRIMETIME BROADCAST TELEVISION

One of the Fastest-Growing Spectator Sports Comes to CBS with Four Live,

Two-Hour Events Per Year

LOS ANGELES, Feb. 28 — The CBS Television Network and ProElite, Inc., a Los Angeles-based leading entertainment and media company that produces world class mixed martial arts (MMA) events, today jointly announced a multi-year agreement that will bring one of the fastest growing spectator sports to a major broadcast television network for the first time.

CBS will broadcast four MMA events per year, produced by ProElite's EliteXC fight division, as two-hour live primetime specials targeted for Saturday nights.

The agreement augments an existing relationship between CBS Corporation (NYSE: CBS and CBS.A) and ProElite (PELE.PK), which began broadcasting its EliteXC live MMA events on CBS's SHOWTIME premium cable network in 2007. EliteXC events will continue to air on SHOWTIME.

Additionally, CBS Interactive and ProElite's new media division, ProElite.com, will collaborate on generating interactive content for both companies' platforms, including CBSSports.com. The online offerings could include streaming of events, clips syndicated across the CBS Audience Network, and other enhanced content to build an online community around each CBS broadcast and ProElite event.

"Mixed martial arts is one of the fastest growing sports in the country and a wildly popular entertainment vehicle for upscale, young adult audiences," said Kelly Kahl, Senior Executive Vice President, CBS Primetime. "It's original programming for Saturday night; it's live, creating an event-atmosphere; and it’s something that hasn't been seen on network television, until now."

"This is a pivotal moment for the sport of mixed martial arts now that a major television network plans to broadcast live MMA events during primetime hours," said Douglas DeLuca, Chief Executive Officer of ProElite. "We are delighted to enhance our partnership with CBS to bring American audiences the very best in MMA competition through our EliteXC brand.

"The network television agreement with CBS is an important milestone for ProElite as we continue to implement our growth strategy and develop existing relationships with our international partners."

"Our world-class fighters and the high production value of our events continue to drive ProElite as a global MMA organization that is fortified by the bedrock foundation of a partnership with CBS," said Gary Shaw, President of EliteXC. "Broadcasting our events on CBS will instantly engage a new fan base, as well as provide an opportunity for EliteXC to further establish itself as the world's premier MMA organization."

The intense nature of the contests and the theatrical elements of its live events have made mixed martial arts one of the fastest growing spectator sports in the United States. Over the last several years, the genre has seen tremendous growth in popularity, especially among the coveted 18-34 demographic.

Mixed martial arts is a sport evolved from a number of ancient combat disciplines including judo, jiu-jitsu, karate, wrestling and kickboxing. World-class athletes engage in hand-to-hand combat in a ring—both caged and traditional—and must adapt their fighting style to fit their opponent. The wide variety of styles and techniques make every event an unpredictable spectacle.

About ProElite (www.proeliteinc.com)

ProElite, Inc. delivers the most exciting entertainment experience in the world of mixed martial arts (MMA) with live arena-based entertainment events, cable television programming on Showtime Networks and community-driven interactive broadband entertainment via the Internet. The company has established itself as a global leader by acquiring MMA organizations in Asia and Europe, and partnering with broadcasters such as British Sky Broadcasting and CJ Media in Korea. The company has an exclusive distribution agreement for its program library with IMG Media. ProElite embraces MMA with the highest levels of honor, integrity, discipline and self-esteem, all the while remaining inclusive for fighters, fans and schools [elitexc.com]. ProElite’s live fight division, EliteXC, delivers spectacular live MMA fight events that showcase the world’s top fighters. Complementing ProElite's live events division is the company's social media platform, ProElite.com. Since the beginning of 2007, ProElite.com continues to add thousands of subscribers each month due to the large number of live streaming MMA events, social networking tools, and original and partner-driven content. ProElite.com also recently launched the largest online martial arts school locator as a way for martial arts practitioners to find the best locations to train, and for schools and dojos to help market themselves. ProElite.com – Empowering the Fight Community TM.

Denzil

02-29-2008, 02:47 PM

Wow this is big news.

This must be the tv deal that UFC was uable to get.
ADDED:
Just found out that EXC is paying to get onto CBS. This will be costing them a lot of money.

IMO i would put Kimbo vs Ken Shamrock as the main event of the first CBS broadcast, that would be good for ratings. Hopefully they will build up the Frank vs Ken fight next year on the shows too.

On a Pale Horse

02-29-2008, 02:52 PM

Yeah I was figuring on Kimbo vs Shamrock too. They could hype the hell out of that- street fighting sensation vs MMA legend, Kimbo vs The Worlds Most Dangerous Man.

They have to do something good.... they cant put him against a scrub in their big debut.

Denzil

02-29-2008, 03:00 PM

That was my reasoning behind it too. Hopefully it will have an undercard as good as the Tank vs Kimbo show.

Geddy Peart

03-02-2008, 12:07 AM

Now all they need is decent color commentary.

Zombie

03-02-2008, 09:47 PM

Pretty decent PPV last night. I'm not even going to say it was a "bad" one compared to the last 2-3 ones because of them not showing alot of undercard fights, alot of the fights did go to decision but at least most fights were pretty good. I just wish they wouldn't waste so much time between fights. They again could have showin 1-2 other undercards like the Arlovski and more importantly Diegos fight as well had they just cut out a few things they did during the PPV like reminding us every chance they get that the main even was still to come.

I was way way impressed yet again with Silva's fight. Here I was thinking "Holy shit, I've never seen anyone handle Anderson Silva like that and just take full control over him" however I didnt think that was going to happen again after I/we saw the look in Silva's eyes at the start of rd 2. He looked possesed and pissed after the break. Dan also left his gameplan and ended up trying to stand up way to long with Silva... To be honest I think the ONLY person that could probably beat Anderson Silva would be Randy Couture if he were to drop to that weight class, or he dropped to 205 and Silva went up to 205 just so they could fight. But Randy keeps to his gameplan and doesnt let up, but if he tried to stand with him he'd get KO"d just like he did against Liddell.. I also think it would just be interesting and a good move if Silva jumped up to 205 and try fighting people there. I think he can rock the 205 division no problem, especially since there's not that many fighters in 185 that can even give Silva a challenge, at least IMO.

Kongo's fight was a little dissapointing, he looked kind of lossed in it and just kept trying to go ground, he should have did more stand up with hearring, but it was a close close fight to call. It could have gone either way. I would even say it could have gone to a draw and wouldn't have been surprised. (speaking of which, UFC needs to stop reading split decisions like they do. It's so predictable on who gets the win, because the guys that win in a SD they always say their name first. So like for example, "Our judges have come to a decision/split decision, judge 1 scored the bout 30-27 Herring (right away I knew he won just since he was named first) jude 2 scored it 28-27 Kongo, and judge 3 scored it 30-28 for the winner by split decision Heath HEarring" and that's not exact qoute just an example) they never say like judge 1 hearing, judge 2 kongo, judge 3 kongo.. So thats always a dead give away on who wins a split decision fight.

Okami surprised me and he wasnt as "slow" to get into the fihgt like he normaly does. Usually take him like 2-3 rd's before he gets going and getting into it. I felt bad for Tanner, I like the guy and was hoping he would have won, but the sport has evolved to much since he last fight and he's really going to need to step it up if he plans on winning again and being a contender.

I'm still not impressed with Jon Fitch and dont really like his style of how he fights. All he does is uses his size and just lays on guys through out the fight to get a decision. He's so big others have a hard time with him. Just like others how they are cutting way to much to be in a lesser weight class so they can dominate by their size. Fitch should really go up a weight class. I wish/hope they get rules like how amature/high school wrestling is when cutting weight. I dont know if they do the same in college or not? But what they have been doing now is weighing you in and then take your body fat stats along with height I think and then it's determined whats the lowest weight class you can drop to. Its mainly to stop high schoolers from dangerously drop weight just so they can make the weight but then they eat and get their fluids by the time the match starts they're already 10-20 lbs heavier as thats their natural weight class. But I'll give him credit, he does have a solid chin cause he was getting hit with solid shots, but I think Wilson like lost his motivation when he wasn't able to really rock Fitch or even do damage and probably played against him, mentally. I just hate how Fitch takes people down and just uses his weight to stay on top while doing jsut enought so they don't get stood up. But Wilson definitely was able to beat him he just lost the confidence. Hell maybe Koschek will be next in line and I can see Kos possibly beating Fitch. Although I think GSP would destroy Fitch if they ever fought.

Of course being in ALbuquerque NM, I was soo hoping they would have shown Diego Sanchez fight but they didnt. I bought it on the UFC OnDemand thing for $2, and Diego looked pretty good again. Went back to what he does best and got the takedown right away and just worked it from there to an eventual Groung an Pound TKO/Submission. Once Diego got the full mount it was over and he just landed hard solid shots to that new guy, but when the ref came to stop the fight the guy was tapping at the same time. So not sure if the ref saw the tapping or because the guy was out of it or what? Although Diego looked way way better, more focused and intensed since his last fights, he was a little sloppy when first getting the takedown and scrambaling around. I think and hope his next fight will probably be Koschek for their 3rd fight which would be a rubber match since both have won one and if Diego is healthy and fights like he did last night thne he should beat Kos again. I still don't think kos won the second time (nor do I think Diego won either, should have been a draw, neither did anything impressive except the one takedown Kos did just for points.) Speaking of fuckin Koschek, he won to by ko/tko. That was an interesting fight and Koschek almost almost got KO'd by a huge head kick AND a direct flying knee but still held out, so I'll give him props for that, but while they say his stand up is all good now, it's still very sloppy/lucky IMO because he's just swinging for the fences and not trying to be "technical" with his stand up and just taking the guy apart. Just hoping for that one punch. ALso it's apparent Kos is just trying to get a KO win instead of trying for a submission or something. Like he's trying to get away from his natural wrestling abilities. Also his shots are horrible. If there wasn't a cage to keep them from falling out then he'd have a hard time I think taking people down because he just charges them and eventually they fall. But if it was a ring or like a regular wrestling mat, he'd keep going out of bounds or out of the ring and not actually get credit for the takedown if some of you know what I mean. SO while Diego went back to his old school tactics that had him winning, Kos still trying to be anything other then a wrestler. That might be good in some peoples view, but I think he needs to still stick with his natural talent instead of trying to try to much new stuff or just looking for the KO (like how Matt Houghes wants to try to KO someone because he just used to win by his wrestling) Also the stand up fight with Kos was pretty good for both fighters.

Then we have Leban. Eh, he's to much of a brawler, scrappy, fighter and just another guy I don't care to much for cause he talks to much shit, but he did show he has a solid chin because he got hit with some solid hits. While some may dispute the call and even Rogan was kind of disputing it, I think it was a legit stoppage. Sakara just took a little to long to start defending himself and was just laying there and was getting punched with solid clean connecting shots and just laying there. He wasn't moving his head to avoid and his hands were down till just about when the ref stepped in. He acted surprised but when people get KO'd they don't remember that part and when they comd to think they're "ok" and dont remember the initial rocking hit then the few others after it so think like they were taken down and still doing ok. So it was a good call and a good stand up brawl, but had Sakara maybe took his time and didn't fight Lebans game he could have won IMO.

The other surprising fight if you want to say was Arlovski's fight with O'Brian. Surprising meaning Arlovski looked HORRIBLE. While he got the win, he wasn't really doing anything till he got that trip that landed him in fully mount and he just GnP his way ti victory. His GnP wasn't even that solid as Diego's and I think the ref shouldn't have stopped it. This is where you have the inconsistancys with refs. Jake was covering up still and moving around but with like how fast Arlovski was through punches he gave the "Illusion" that he was dominating/connecting with his shots and looked at the ref with a "Well you gonna stop it or what" look and then the ref stopped it. Had it kept going I think Jake would have reversed and getting on top or standing up again and probably winning the fight. Arlovski looks scared now when he fights and to cautious. Rogan was like dissing him the entiire time for not trying a gullitine when he stopped O'Brians shot/takedown and had his head locked but wouldnt fall back to try to get the tap. He also didn't look good conditioning wise as he looked gassed just in the 2nd round and like I mentioned got lucky with the trip that had him landing in full mount. Maybe he didn't care anymore since so far was his last fight since he hasn't agreed to a new contract and looks to be playing the field, maybe he was pissed since he was on the undercard bouts for the first time in like 4-5 years I think they said that he's been in the undercards. But he just doesn't look like the Arlovski that was a champion at one time and afraid to lose or get's lost once the bell rings.

Those are the only fight's I've seen and or cared about, so I was satisfied for the most part minus all the wasted time but that's the UFC for you and hoping now with Elite XC getting a national TV Deal and now starting to get good fighters with them, maybe UFC will start trying to be better and or stop treating us like dumb people who keep forgetting things. I swear, the next PPV I'm going to see how many times they announce the main event and even co-main event. But we all know they can show alot more fights then they do if they just have it going non stop and limiting the ad's, talking, and showing the guys talk about their fight before to try and "hype" it up.. Well maybe they can keep that in, but definitely alot of other stuff they can cut out.

Gotta also love that look on Hendersons face while getting choked out lol. He only had 10 more secs and if he just pulled SIlva arm down a little or just hung in there he might have gone a little further but like I mentioned Silva came out in the 2nd round like a man possesed so I dont think it would have lasted much longer anyways.. Now I just wonder what Dan does. First 2 fights in the UFC he lost, on top of losing his "Pride" championships although his first fight against Rampage was a very close fight and could have gone either way. This one though he just got thrashed and never had a chance adter the 1st round.

On a Pale Horse

03-03-2008, 02:13 PM

Man I missed UFC. We were in Atlantic City, and couldn't find a place to watch it. You'd think casinos would have it on.

I am real anxious to see the April card for EliteXC. Its gotta be good for the network debut. As we said earlier, I am thinking Kimbo vs the winner of Shamrock-Berry (March 9). OR Kimbo vs Gannon rematch. That would be super hyped. The new and improved Kimbo gets a chance to avenge his only loss.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XcluxPOoiM

D-Lo

03-04-2008, 12:18 AM

Anderson Silva is starting to edge out Fedor as the best fighter.

I was listening to the local radio today (103.1) and they had Randy Couture on, he was promoting his gym in Wellington that he owns along with Wanderlei Silva. The Dj asked him when he was going to fight Fedor and he said in August he would have an announcement. I'm suprised the know it alls on sherdog haven't mentioned it.

It was a good PPV, I heard the Koscheck fight was good but I didn't get to see that one. Fitch is the only guy I can see giving GSP problems. I can't see anyone giving Anderson Silva problems. He is on a tear. He is only a few fights out from taking over Matt Hughes' spot as the most dominant UFC champion.

I'll have to watch the Herring / Kongo match again. I didn't think Herring won.

On a Pale Horse

03-05-2008, 01:54 PM

I'd love to see this fight:

ric Scott "Butterbean" Esch is a professional Super-Heavyweight boxer, kickboxer and mixed martial artist. Butterbean came to prominance in the early to mid 90's winning umberous "toughman" amature boxing competitions. He grew in stature mainly due to the unique nature of his own stature. He stands 5'11" tall and weighs 398 pounds. His professional fight record including boxing and MMA stands at an impressive 90-14-5. Esch began competing in MMA in 2003 and has a professional MMA record of 18-6. He recently sat down with Fight Talk to discuss his future plans and his desire to take on Kimbo Slice

Butterbean On Kimbo:

I would love to fight Kimbo Slice, a good friend of mine is training him. I would love to fight him, Kimbo came out and stood up with Tank Abbott and knocked him out, but he wouldn't do that with me. It would be a heck of a fight, but I would knock out Kimbo Slice before the fight got too far though.

Butterbean On Kimbo's power:

From what I seen against Tank Abbott he doesn't have the power to knock me out. MMA guys don't hit as hard as full fledged boxers do. Kimbo don't hit no where's near as hard I do.

Butterbean On Whether He'd Get The KO vs. Kimbo Or Not:

Without a doubt. His people need to say, “Butterbean, do you want to fight Kimbo?” and BAM it's done. I got a backyard, come on Kimbo it doesn't matter to me. Hey Kimbo Slice, I got a backyard. I even got a side yard that we can put people in to watch the fight. If you want to do it from the yard, we'll do it there. PPV from Bean's backyard. I'll go to his yard too, I don't care. Here's a headline, BEAN KNOCKS OUT KIMBO IN THE BACK YARD!

Denzil

03-05-2008, 04:22 PM

That fight would rule. I wonder if Elite XC would put that fight together.

I know that they are planning to match up Kimbo with Ken Shamrock, as long as Ken wins his fight (Ken is fighting Robert Berry at Cage Rage 25 this Saturday).

On a Pale Horse

03-05-2008, 06:10 PM

Its kind of a catch-22. It would be great ratings, but might also give them a freak-show reputation.

D-Lo

03-07-2008, 11:12 PM

Kimbo has improved but I would go with Butterbean if such a fight were to take place. They'd probably have to add a super hw division if they did that fight in the states. (To get sanctioned.)

I hear Fedor is now a free agent. Great news for the MMA community.

On a Pale Horse

03-07-2008, 11:34 PM

It'd be sweet if he joined EliteXC. With their TV deal, Ortiz saying he wants to sign there, and then getting Fedor, the UFC would have some serious competition. That would be great for the fans.

Denzil

03-08-2008, 12:03 AM

Yeah, Fedor is almost a free agent again.

from mmajunkie.com:

Famed heavyweight fighter Fedor Emelianenko will part ways with the M-1 Global organization next week and will officially become a "free agent," according to a report from ESPN.com.

"Divorce negotiations" are currently underway, according to the report, with a formal announcement of Emelianenko's exit from M-1 Global expected in the next few days.

Emelianenko, the reigning PRIDE heavyweight champion until the organization's eventual demise last year, signed with M-1 Global in October. A group of American investors purchased the organization from Emelianenko's manager, restructured it, and hired noted fighter agent Monte Cox as its CEO. However, the organization has yet to host its first event, nor has it announced any additional fighter signings.

With the reported free agency, a superfight between estranged UFC heavyweight champion Randy Couture and Emelianenko could once again become a reality. Prior to signing with M-1 Global, Emelianenko turned down an offer to fight exclusively for the UFC, saying the contract was too restrictive.

Soon after, Couture announced his resignation from the UFC, citing the organization's inability to sign Emelianenko as a reason why.

It is unknown if Emelianenko's camp will be willing to revisit discussions with the UFC. However, the UFC is apparently ready. When UFC president Dana White was asked by ESPN.com if the organization would be willing to re-open negotiations to bring Emelianenko to the UFC, White responded with a big affirmative.

"Absolutely, 100 percent, in a heartbeat," he was quoted as saying. "People think he's the best; I don't, not even close. But if it's somehow possible, I would make it happen."

One other organization that may be interested in the heavyweight's services is EliteXC, which recently signed a groundbreaking deal with CBS. With the partnership, MMA will appear on major U.S. network television for the first time.

The 31-year-old Emelianenko, who held the PRIDE heavyweight belt for more than four years before the UFC owners purchased and disbanded the organization this past summer, is a career 27-1. Although he's defeated some of the top fighters in the sport -- including Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic and Heath Herring -- he's fought few (if any) top-tier guys in recent years.

On a Pale Horse

03-08-2008, 09:04 PM

Anyone watching Cage Rage tonight? Its got some pretty good fights on the card. I'd like to see Shamrock's son fight, but hes on the undercard.

Denzil

03-09-2008, 03:23 AM

Both Shamrock's lost.

So much for Kimbo vs Ken Shamrock. I doubt that will happen now. :(

On a Pale Horse

03-09-2008, 07:09 AM

Yeah Shamrock looked old and expired tonight. Very well could be Buzz Berry vs Kimbo. Grove and Broughton are possibilities too.

Geddy Peart

03-09-2008, 02:19 PM

I think Kimbo vs. Shamrock will still happen. They need the name power for their first CBS broadcast.

D-Lo

03-09-2008, 05:59 PM

I think Kimbo vs. Shamrock will still happen. They need the name power for their first CBS broadcast.

I really don't know if Shamrock has much of a name anymore . He definatley does not among hardcore MMA fans. Maybe to people that watch casually, I don't know.

Geddy Peart

03-09-2008, 06:46 PM

I really don't know if Shamrock has much of a name anymore . He definatley does not among hardcore MMA fans. Maybe to people that watch casually, I don't know.

That's what I meant. The hardcore fans know he's washed up, but casual fans and people who only know him from the WWF years will still think he's something to watch.

On a Pale Horse

03-10-2008, 02:38 AM

Ken getting KO'd in the first round definitely takes the wind out of the sail of the Kimbo-Shamrock idea. Its going to be hard for them to sell The Most Dangerous Man angle when he just got his ass kicked- again.

Butterbean would be a good name to the casual fan base too, but I dont know if they want to be known as the freak show federation.

They've got to name the opponent soon though, its only 6 weeks away, so people need time to train.

Geddy Peart

03-10-2008, 02:17 PM

Ken getting KO'd in the first round definitely takes the wind out of the sail of the Kimbo-Shamrock idea. Its going to be hard for them to sell The Most Dangerous Man angle when he just got his ass kicked- again.

I'd bet most casual fans don't know that Ken was recently KO'd, and I'd sure as heck bet general tv goers don't know either

Zombie

03-12-2008, 02:16 AM

Yeah Ken looked horrible. He didn't have the intensity he had against Tito and he just looked scared and afraid to do anything. I also told my friend that he needs to drop the whole "Worlds Most Dangerous Man" name, its not WWE anymore and the last win he had was against another fighter who's time is/was up was against Kimbo. Ken didn't even give Tito a fight in either of the last two fights nor did he give this guy a fight. I'd hate to say it, but if Ken had won somehow and did fight Kimbo, Kimbo would KO Ken. Not a TKO, he would probably drop him like a sack of potatoes. Then for the announcers and or Ken to say "he's never been KO'd before" well Sat night looked like a KO to me just because the ref stepped in doesn't mean he should keep running his mouth that he's never been KO'd before.

Being KO'd doesn't have to have the guy totally out or what not, even if for that second or two they're OUT and NOT defending themselves, then goddamn it, it's a KO. Because for that split sec or more they were KNOCKED THE FUCK OUT! Some may get up right away or stay down longer, either way they were KO'd long enough to not defend themselves and allow even more hits that would end up injuring them if the refs waited even longer to call it an official KO.

On a Pale Horse

03-21-2008, 01:02 AM

Announcement on Saturday Night Fights, to air on CBS in May:

http://elitexc.proelite.com/blog/102578

Denzil

03-26-2008, 09:23 AM

Robbie Lawler vs Scott Smith should be a good fight.

I'm looking forward to more fight announcements in the coming weeks. Still think they will go with Shamrock vs Kimbo?

On a Pale Horse

03-26-2008, 01:58 PM

This would be huge if he accepts the offer. EliteXC with their new TV deal, fan popular Kimbo, AND Fedor??

EliteXC Offers Fedor Emelianenko Four-Fight, Seven-Figure Deal
by Dann Stupp [mmajunkie] on Mar 25, 2008 at 9:35 am in - News -
ProElite, Inc., the parent company of Elite Xtreme Combat, has offered former PRIDE heavyweight champion Fedor Emelianenko a four-fight contract that could put the famed Russian on the first two EliteXC-CBS shows.

The news was first reported by Chad Edward of Nokaut.com, though MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) has learned some additional details about the deal.

Emelianenko's management and EliteXC officials could not be reached for comment.

According to a source close to the negotiations, the deal would call for a base pay somewhere between $300,000 and $500,000 per fight. Additionally, after the two fights (which would air on CBS or Showtime), Emelianenko's next two fights would air on pay-per-view. As part of the deal, he would receive a portion of the PPV revenue, and the "per-buy bonus" would scale as the total number of buys increases.

The length of the contract would run 18 months.

As Nokaut.com reported, EliteXC officials would also have to introduce the fighter as "M-1 Global's Fedor Emelianenko." Sherdog.com recently reported that Emelianenko never actually signed with the recently restructured M-1 Global organization and that the return of a $1.5 million signing bonus would essentially make him a free agent. M-1 Global executives deny the report.

MMAjunkie.com has also learned that the EliteXC offer would call for Fedor's brother, Aleksander Emelianenko, to compete on the same fight cards if terms for a fight contract can be reached. Other Russian Red Devil Fight Team members could also earn consideration for future events.

The first EliteXC-CBS show is scheduled to take place May 31 in Newark, N.J., and Kevin "Kimbo Slice" Ferguson is tentatively scheduled as the night's headliner. However, Ferguson and Emelianenko are unlikely to fight each other if Emelianenko signs with the organization.

EliteXC is just one of many fight organizations reportedly interested in signing Emelianenko (27-1), who last competed in December at the Yarennoka! New Year's Eve 2007 show. There, he defeated 7-foot-2 Hong Man Choi with a first-round armbar.

Geddy Peart

03-26-2008, 03:01 PM

This would be huge if he accepts the offer. EliteXC with their new TV deal, fan popular Kimbo, AND Fedor??

And where ever Fedor goes, Randy will follow.

On a Pale Horse

03-26-2008, 07:34 PM

Yeah if Fedor signs that gives them instant creditability and a lot of big name fighters will consider signing with them.

Denzil

03-28-2008, 12:46 PM

This would be a good deal for Fedor to take, however i'm unsure that Randy would be able to sign for EliteXC anytime in the near future as his lawsuit is still ongoing. So that Fedor vs Randy match could be a long way off.

However, if Elite XC did sign Fedor then i would match him up against Josh Barnett (if he is available to be signed) this would be a decent fight. It would also shut up the folk that say that Fedor hasn't faced decent opposition since 2006. If Josh doesn't sign then Antonio "Bigfoot" Silva vs Fedor would be an interesting fight.
ADDED:
I found this interesting article looking at Elite XC fighters vs UFC fighters.

http://nation.bodoglife.com/fight-files/elite-xc-vs-ufc-79649.html

On a Pale Horse

03-28-2008, 04:20 PM

Silva vs Fedor would be a great match. If Kimbo keeps running through people it would be inevitable they put those 2 in the cage together. I am sure Fedor would crush Kimbo, but it would be fun to watch.

Denzil

03-28-2008, 04:25 PM

Fedor would take Kimbo to the ground and pound the shit out of him.

Geddy Peart

03-28-2008, 11:31 PM

I think Fedor could also out strike Kimbo.

D-Lo

03-29-2008, 12:04 AM

Denzil

03-29-2008, 05:02 PM

The odds of that fight happening are slim. It would be really cool to see Fedor sign with EXC but I can't see it happening. In february Fedor also expressed interest in fighting Nog for the UFC title (in an open letter to Dana White). I wish Dana and Fedor could both get over themselves with their silly conditions and make something happen.

I know, that is my sentiments exactly.

Geddy Peart

03-30-2008, 12:41 AM

I would hope if Fedor were to fight Kimbo he wouldn't spend too much time striking with him. Fedor is so much better in the clinch and on the ground that he should take the fight there immediatley. Even though Kimbo is no pro boxer, his punching is very devastating. It's too risky.

The odds of that fight happening are slim. It would be really cool to see Fedor sign with EXC but I can't see it happening. In february Fedor also expressed interest in fighting Nog for the UFC title (in an open letter to Dana White). I wish Dana and Fedor could both get over themselves with their silly conditions and make something happen.

It's not so silly on Fedor's part:

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles...0538&my_page=3

To understand him is to recognize that given the circumstances, it was never a choice.

Hearing Fedor discuss the UFC negotiations and understanding his background and motivation, it is obvious that he was as likely to accept the UFC's offer as he was to become a completely different man.

In particular Finkelchtein, Fedor's manager, cited the harshness of the UFC's terms and the organization's inflexibility as two issues preventing an agreement. There were some specifics, such as the widely publicized clause that wouldn't let Fedor compete in combat sambo and the UFC's refusal to sign some of his Red Devil teammates.

"I never met Dana White, never spoke to him on the phone, never exchanged e-mails," Fedor said. "However, I did read a lot on the Internet about what he said in regard to me and Vadim []. I also read e-mails that he sent to Vadim; all of his correspondence was very upsetting. The contract that we were presented with by the UFC was simply impossible, couldn't be signed -- I couldn't leave. If I won, I had to fight eight times in two years. If I lost one fight, then the UFC had the right to rip up the contract. At the conclusion of the contract, if I am undefeated, then it automatically extends for an as yet unspecified period of time, though for the same compensation.

"Basically I can't leave undefeated. I can't give interviews, appear in films or advertising. I don't have the right to do anything without the UFC's agreement. I could do nothing without the OK from the UFC. I didn't have the right to compete in combat sambo competition. It's my national sport. It's the Russian sport, which in his time our president competed in, and I no longer have the right to do so. There were many such clauses; the contract was 18 pages in length. It was written in such a way that I had absolutely no rights while the UFC could at any moment, if something didn't suit them, tear up the agreement. We worked with lawyers who told us that it was patently impossible to sign such a document."

Fedor is a man who fought all of his life to be independent of the system, to belong to himself and to forge his own future. He is where he is because of the people around him.

In his view the UFC offer, which was not open for reasonable negotiation, proposed that he exchange everything that makes him who he is -- his team, his freedom and his future -- in return for more money than anyone else at the time was making and the possibility of fighting in the strongest heavyweight division in the sport.

To forfeit the opportunity to fight in the UFC heavyweight class was also, to a certain extent, to give up what Fedor had fought for -- the right to beat all of the top-tier competition, to cement his place, beyond any criticism, as the greatest ever.

The negotiations were not helped by the differences in how both sides did business. The Russians did not understand the UFC's negotiating tactics. The lack of courtesy and personal insults upset them. Coming from a country where the decision makers are rarely in the spotlight and the most powerful men are never the loudest, the Russians did not understand the UFC's professional wrestling-esque business and marketing model. They did not understand why the king is also the court jester and why the dirty laundry of negotiations must be aired in the harsh glare of camera flashes.

In giving up potential UFC matches against the likes of Couture, Gonzaga, Nogueira, Filipovic, Arlovski and others, Fedor dreamed of "an organization where the strongest fighters in the world compete against each other."

Dana and the Ferratta(sp?) brothers were going to screw him over.

Not only that but Dana's spent that last couple of months bad-mouthing Fedor to the media.

On a Pale Horse

03-30-2008, 04:57 PM

Anyone watch EliteXC last night? Shamrock vs Cung Le was one of the most exciting MMA fights I've seen in a long time. If you missed it, find it online to watch, great fight.... looks more like a Kung Fu movie than an MMA match.

Cung Le is going places, he looked awesome last night

Also, rumor is they will announce Kimbos next opponent tonight on CBS. Word is that it will be Ron Waterman. (look him up in wikipedia or sherdog)

Geddy Peart

03-31-2008, 02:22 AM

Hey guys, don't forget to watch the season premiere of TUF: Rampage/Griffin. One of the guys I train with made it on the show.

D-Lo

04-01-2008, 03:09 AM

Sick fightwith Le and Shamrock. I'm sure Dana is happy.

And Geddy, I've heard both sides of the contract dispure over Fedor and the UFC. I thought some of Fedor's demands were unreasonable such as the co-promoting idea and the mandatory signing of Red Devil fighters.

D-Lo

04-09-2008, 03:43 AM

Who is pumped for Sylvia vs. Fedor? Best news I've heard all day.

Geddy Peart

04-09-2008, 10:10 PM

Sylvia could cause Fedor some problems with his awkward style. But I think Fedor still smashes him. If Sylvia does manage to secure the W, it'll be by a long, boring decision.

Denzil

04-10-2008, 11:10 PM

Hey guys, don't forget to watch the season premiere of TUF: Rampage/Griffin. One of the guys I train with made it on the show.

Which guy was that?

Geddy Peart

04-12-2008, 04:08 PM

Which guy was that?

Dante Rivera, he beat John Wood with a kimura in the 1st round.

Denzil

04-12-2008, 06:43 PM

Dante Rivera, he beat John Wood with a kimura in the 1st round.

He looked impressive.

Geddy Peart

04-12-2008, 10:50 PM

You have no idea, the guy's strong as a bull.

Denzil

04-13-2008, 10:08 PM

I can't wait to see his future fights.

On a Pale Horse

04-17-2008, 02:21 PM

So Kimbos next opponent will be James "The Colossus" Thompson. Should be a step up for him. Thompson is 14-9, and 6'5 267lbs. He's on a losing streak though, dropping 2 out of his last 3. Overall he's got some good MMA experience, beating Don Frye and Dan Severyn. and losing to Butterbean, Alexsander E., and Teradize.

I think this fight could go either way, but will likely be decided by KO in the first round.

Hopefully we see Kimbo at least have to last 2:00 minutes to see what his stamina is like.

Denzil

04-18-2008, 10:15 AM

Here is the card for Elite XC on CBS:

Elite XC on CBS I
May 31st 2008
Location: Newark, N.J.
Venue: Prudential Center
Broadcast: CBS (9-11 p.m. ET)

Kevin "Kimbo Slice" Ferguson vs. James Thompson
Elite XC Middleweight Championship: Robbie Lawler (c) vs. Scott Smith
Gina Carano vs. Kaitlin Young
Jon Murphy vs. Brett Rogers
Phil Baroni vs. Joey Villasenor

On a Pale Horse

04-18-2008, 06:51 PM

That should be an entertaining card. Too bad "Ninja" pulled out against Baroni, hopefully his replacement will put up a good fight.

Geddy Peart

04-20-2008, 02:45 PM

D-Lo

04-20-2008, 03:59 PM

Thoughts on UFC 83:

-Mac Danzig will be a force in the LW division
-Kalib Starnes should never be allowed to fight again. Ever
-Travis Lutter needs to shut up about beating Anderson Silva some day. He needs to beat his poor conditioning first.
-GSP is the Michael Jordan of MMA

That is all.

I agree with that assessment. Lutter and Starnes should just retire, they don't have what it takes to ever be a champ and their fights aren't exciting, so why bother? Just cut them. Quarry was awesome with his antics at the end of the fight.

GSP is scary when he is focused. Other than striking he has no holes in his game.

zach82

04-20-2008, 05:43 PM

I was impressed with Danzig... he definetly knows how to use the clinch and his knees, and he seems to have very good strength for a lightweight. Bocek couldn't get anything on him because he was just able to power his way out of it.

Man, he had Bocek's face looking like raw hamburger by the end of that one. Imo that was the most impressive fight of the evening.

Geddy Peart

04-20-2008, 06:54 PM

I agree with that assessment. Lutter and Starnes should just retire, they don't have what it takes to ever be a champ and their fights aren't exciting, so why bother? Just cut them. Quarry was awesome with his antics at the end of the fight.

GSP is scary when he is focused. Other than striking he has no holes in his game.

I could just imagine Dana White verballly ripping Kalib a new asshole backstage. It was just embarassing to watch him and Lutter. Rick Franklin didn't look as impressive as he has in the past either. Maybe the 2 losses to Silva have messed with his head I don't know. While he did end up finishing Lutter, there were several point where could have ended but didn't. For instance when Lutter put his hands down, Franklin had no power behind those punches.

As for GSP, the only question I have is the same one I ask about Anderson Silva:

What's next?

I honestly don't see any legit competition for GSP except

- a WW fight with BJ Penn
- a catch-weight fight with Anderson Silva
- possibly John Fitch, but that's a long shot.

As for Serra, I thought he did well and fought with his heart despite getting the beatdown. I actually thought he had a chance on the ground. I was really happy to see him raise GSP's hand at the end and lift him into the air. I wish we saw more good sportsmanship like that.

Hopefully we'll get to see Serra smash Hughes next.

http://msn.foxsports.com/boxing/story/8053054

White was very critical of Starnes in the post-fight interview.

"It takes two guys to fight. Nate is the only one to show. If I was fighting in my home country, I'd rather get knocked out than run around like that. I think he'll wake up tomorrow and wish he fought a different fight."

Thought so.

Denzil

04-23-2008, 03:59 PM

Thoughts on UFC 83:

-Mac Danzig will be a force in the LW division
-Kalib Starnes should never be allowed to fight again. Ever
-Travis Lutter needs to shut up about beating Anderson Silva some day. He needs to beat his poor conditioning first.
-GSP is the Michael Jordan of MMA

That is all.

Some good points there Geddy. I also have no idea who to match up for GSP's next fight, Jon Fitch is due a title fight since he has won 8 matches in a row in the UFC.

I don't see Fitch beating GSP. GSP owned Koscheck on the ground when they fought at UFC 74 and then GSP dominated then submitted Matt Hughes at UFC 79, i don't think that Fitch is a better wrestler than Koscheck or Hughes.

A GSP vs Anderson Silva fight is a very intriguing prospect.

Geddy Peart

04-27-2008, 01:35 AM

A GSP vs Anderson Silva fight is a very intriguing prospect.

I don't see this happeninh for at least a year though. There's also been some talk of an Anderson Silva vs. Roy Jones Jr. boxing match.

On a Pale Horse

05-19-2008, 04:43 PM

Possible Tyson vs Kimbo? This wouldn't be true MMA, but it'd fun as hell to watch. I bed it'd be the biggest draw in MMA history:

http://mmajunkie.com/news/4350/gary-shaw-open-to-kimbo-vs-mike-tyson-bout.mma

Geddy Peart

05-22-2008, 12:52 AM

Kimbo has a decent chance against the Tyson of now. But if this was Tyson from 1989, I think Kimbo would return to street fighting bums.

I don't really get the appea of Kimbo. Sure he looks intimidating, but he hasn't faced any legitimate competition.

On a Pale Horse

05-22-2008, 12:32 PM

Well next week he fights James 'The Colossus' Thompson. Thompson is on a losing streak, but should still be Kimbos toughest challenge yet. He's 6'5 270ish, and hits very hard. He's also got some ground skills. But, he is on a losing streak right now. He will definitely test Kimbo though.

SlasherFreak

05-22-2008, 01:24 PM

D-Lo

05-22-2008, 08:52 PM

Kimbo is the biggest name in MMA lately. There is no way they would risk letting him fight somebody that will make him look bad. Not yet anyway.

I was talking to a cousin of the Nog brothers and he was telling me how Anderson Silva and Big Nog were both insulted when the Miami crowd didn't know who they were (for the most part). Kimbo comes out and it was like Elvis just walked in.

Dana White can only say how he let Gannon come to the UFC after seeing him fighting Kimbo and winning. He says if Gannon fought in the UFC and got smoked so easily (after beating Kimbo), Kimbo must be a joke. MMA math of course, but the UFC fucked up by not acquiring Kimbo, from a business perspective.

On a Pale Horse

05-23-2008, 03:51 AM

Kimbo got beat once before...

ok I just looked and can't find the video, but he was fighting in a gym, and it was defnitely a long fight, and it was against a big white dude. There were alot of folks there...

Im not crazy am I?

Yeah he lost to Sean Gannon like 5 years ago. That was before he trained though. Google Kimbo vs Gannon and you will find the video.

Geddy Peart

05-25-2008, 01:47 PM

UFC 84 Thoughts:

-Tito should retire. He hasn't evolved with the sport, and he's afraid to get hit.
-Has the Wandy of old returned? Looked like it last night.
-I see BJ Penn having the same dilemma as GSP and Anderson Silva, he's going to run out of poeople to fight.
-Sean Sherk showed heart, but his arms are tragically too short.

D-Lo

05-25-2008, 11:42 PM

I think Goran Reljic is someone to keep an eye on. He was like a smaller Cro Cop with better jiu-jitsu.

Tito was very disappointing to watch. He didn't have the fire. Didn't try for many takedowns.

Wanderlei reminded everyone why he is awesome.

BJ has proven to all the new fans why he was always so hyped up.

Denzil

05-26-2008, 02:42 PM

Good show.

Wanderlei was a killer and it was very cool (but scary) to watch.
Somewhere down the line BJ should move back up to 170 and fight GSP, to try and avenge his loss from UFC 58.

D-Lo

05-27-2008, 08:07 AM

You know Denzil, I think BJ is hell at any weight class, but he is a monster a LW. I'd like to see him try for the 170 title at some point but remain at LW for most of his fights. It would be an incredible fight GSP/Penn II. GSP's wrestling has gotten so good that I'd give him the edge if the fight happened.

Denzil

05-27-2008, 10:02 AM

Found a gif of the celebrity reactions to Wanderlei's knockout of Jardine:

http://i25.tinypic.com/nffbp.jpg

Good stuff. David Spade is my favourite.

On a Pale Horse

05-27-2008, 12:58 PM

So EliteXC this Saturday. This is a pretty good card for non UFC actually.

Kimbo vs James Thompson
Gina Carano (American Gladiator, undefeated) vs Kaitlin Young
Brett Rogers (8-0) vs Jon Murphy
Phil Baroni vs Joey Villesanor
Robbie Lawer vs Scott Smith

and some others

Should be fun though, free on CBS.

Denzil

05-27-2008, 02:21 PM

Robbie Lawler vs Scott Smith should be good. Will be interesting to see Kimbo against someone with some decent experience. However Thompson has lost his last two fights in first round KO's. He has a glass jaw, so i think Kimbo should ko him in the first round.

On a Pale Horse

05-28-2008, 01:58 PM

Yeah it will definitely be Kimbos biggest challenge yet. Thompson has way more experience, reach advantage, and can pack a punch himself. Hopefully he's learned a little about defense from his recent KO's.

I think he will test Kimbo out standing for a little bit, and if its too much heat he will take it to the ground. I just really hope it lasts more than 2 minutes. I want to see Kimbo's cardio and discipline in a prolonged fight.

Denzil

05-29-2008, 12:16 AM

I'd like to see Kimbo's ground game. It'll be interesting to see how much he has learned training under Bas.

On a Pale Horse

05-29-2008, 05:05 AM

I'd like to see Kimbo's ground game. It'll be interesting to see how much he has learned training under Bas.

Thats pretty much the universal opinion. Hopefully Thompson will take him to the mat before he walks into a big right hand.

Geddy Peart

06-01-2008, 06:16 AM

The EliteXC show was shit. First off the production reaked of WWE. Not good if the sport wants to be taken seriously. And secondly pretty much everyone on the roster was a chump, it was sad. And what was with some of those ref stoppages? That had to be some of the worst reffing I've seen in a while.

I still don't get why people rally behind Kimbo. He still looks like a sloppy street fighter to me. Yeah, he's mean looking but he'd be eaten alive if he was in the UFC's heavyweight division. My God his ground game was a joke.

And he's supposed to be the face of MMA? Ugh.

Zombie

06-01-2008, 09:32 AM

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
My thoughts exactly on some of them.

My worst fear on what I started to think about today before the event started happened. I was telling my friend while I was out and about getting my oil changed and stuff, that I had a feeling the refs, Dr's, or anyone that had the ability to stop a fight would have been told to be "EXTRA Cautious" and or more "conservative". Basically not to make it to "brutal".

Right away in the first fight I kind of started to see it a little in the first fight. While Rogers did drop the guy, so I'll give him credit for that, but the guy wasn't "out" and right away before he could throw a couple more shots in to fully finish the fight, because Murphy did got for like a single leg but on the ref since he called it off.

Same exact thing with Baroni and Villasenor. Baroni is a tough tough guy, yet the ref went and called that fight again a little too soon. Hell not even Frank Shamrock was able to put him away like Joey did. Again why? Probably so "familes" or people watching on a local network show don't see "brutality" and since I'm sure alot of the people watching tonight might not have known the avg rules and such and never seen MMA before, as well as CBS probably kind of freaking out with blood, swearing, "brutality", "barbaric", and a whole list of BULLSHIT!

Yes, I'll agree Baroni was hurt/stunned but he to went grabbing a leg still trying to fight/recover. Also I like Joey since he's from here Albuquerque, so yeah I was going for him. However it just felt weird how he won because I knew Baroni would have recovered and been able to continue if he was given the chance.

THen we have the two chicks fighting. Since when did a Dr stop a fight because of a bruised "mouse/knot/bump" under the eye? I've heard and seen them stop it because of blood, well blood that's extremely pouring, can't be stopped and getting into the fighters eye. But for a fuckin bruised knot? They don't even stop that shit in Boxing like that. Gina pulled a "Kimbo" kind of and got lucky she didn't have to go another round, although I don't think she was that out of shape like Kimbo, so who knows? Again, we'll never find out?

Now the one fight that just ruined the entire event and PROVING I was right about somethings going to be different since it was being on network tv and them being extremely cautious on every fucking thing. Lawler vs Smith. For the Middleweight Title let me remind you. Not just a ranking grudge match. A fuckin title match. Everything was going fuckin great. Was a great performance from both fighters (and fuck the crowd boo'ing them, again fuckin people who don't know a thing about MMA and just think they have to rush out and swing continously till a lucky punch sneaks in and hits that right spot. Never heard of strategy, feeling the other guy out, etc...) So, anyways, was a great fight in the making and then an accidential poke in the eye.

Smith gets 5 mins of "injury/time-out" time to RECOVER and decide if he can continue or not. If and ONLY then when the 5 mins runs out if the fighter still needs more time, not recovered, then he forfiets the match. I see this all the time when a fighter gets an accidential poke, nut hit, low blow, whatever that's illegal but happened on accident, they get their 5 FULL MINS but only use about 1-2 mins and then just right away goes and continues on, instead of taking their time, catch a breath and fully be ready. No where does it say they have to rush as fast as you can and get back into the fight right away? Nor does it say for the Dr's to be pressing for an answer.

So the main Dr whatever comes and says "He told my physition that he could not see twice. You can't just tell my Dr's you can't see two times in a row and expect to be able to continue" so trying to stick up for the Dr ya know. So Smith finally gets his wording in. "Yes I did say that at that specific time that I couldn't see and to let me use my full 5 mins and should be perfect by then" hmmm... So why dind't the Dr or the head Dr explain anything about that? Or maybe allowing him to use the full 5 mins and then deciding if he was fine or not? Even when the Dr started to say he couldn't contniue stop and seeing why he was jumping around before making it official?

I don't know about that whole thing? It kind of felt like the WWE's Bret Hart Screw Job at that Survivor Series in his hometown when Vince had the bell rung while Bret was in the sharpshooter applied by Shawn Michaels but never tapped or said he quit. Hell all the fights kind of seemed to end like that, like just a little to soon then expected and or usually faster then they usually call a fight. Again back to my theroy of the company/people/CBS/Exec's playing it a little to safe so they didn't look "bad" and or get blamed by people for being to violent/extreme, etc... I have this feeling had this just been a normal MMA event on Showtime or a PPV all the above fights would have lasted a little longer and possibly turned out completely different.

So I agree about it being crap, and the refs and Dr's, but I don' t think that any of the fighters were "chumps". or anything and all fights were somewhat good, it would have been better if they weren't so quick to call for a winner. I

D-Lo

06-01-2008, 05:05 PM

Scott Smith should not have said anything to the doc except 'I need more time'. Don't say you can't see. They have to stop it if you can't see. I'm assuming whether or not you can recover in the next few minutes, if you tell them more than once you can't see they'll just stop it right there.

That Kimbo fight was an absolute embarassment. Hopefully this will put things in perspective when people say things like' Kimbo could take Fedor'. If Kimbo can't handle Thompson's ground and pound...well if you have seen Fedor's ground and pound then you know what I'm saying.

The Gino Carrano fight looked like amateur night. Not a good showing for women's MMA on a major network.

The Baroni / Villasenor fight was the only one that I didn't have too much of a problem with as far as stoppages. Phil looked hurt.

Geddy Peart

06-01-2008, 07:17 PM

I was talking to a Jits buddy at the gym this morning and he thinks most of those fights were fixed with the way the refs were stopping things. I think CBS just didn't want a lot of blood to be spilled. However, I do think Kumbo's fight was rigged as they're definitely protecting him. I can't express how mbarrassing it is that Carrano and Kimbo are pushed as the faces of MMA. They've fought nothing but scrubs (I actually thought Young was beating Carrano despite the bruising) and Carrano doesn't even make weight. I'm also convinced Brock Lesnar would steamroll Kimbo

It was just a sad, sad showing. Most of the fighters wouldn't survive in the UFC. Dana White must have laughed himself to sleep last night.

This article from Yahoo news is dead on:

MMA’s network debut mocks true sport
By Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports
10 hours, 25 minutes ago

It sounded like such a good idea when the news broke a few months ago that CBS would broadcast a series of mixed martial arts cards in prime time.

But after watching its effort on Saturday’s Elite XC show from the Prudential Center in Newark, N.J., the good news might be if CBS opts not to do another show.

These were supposed to be the professionals who would show the amateurs at the Ultimate Fighting Championship, who do their own production, how it’s supposed to be done.

And while neophyte play-by-play man Gus Johnson acquitted himself well and analysts Mauro Ranallo and Frank Shamrock didn’t embarrass themselves, the broadcast dragged on interminably.

There was more chatting than “The Tonight Show.” Fighters were introduced as they made long, slow walks to the cage, then were introduced again once they hit the cage. Given that the show went 45 minutes over its allotted time, what do you want to bet the ring walks will be eliminated if there is another show on CBS?

For some reason, particularly early in the broadcast, CBS chose to use its overhead camera to repeatedly show Elite XC’s skanky-looking cheerleaders doing nothing more than shaking their butts.

This wouldn’t have been so bad had there actually been a fight on the air every now and then. But after the show had been on the air for 32 minutes, there had been 61 seconds of actual fighting. When it was 70 minutes into the show, there had been just 2:12 of fighting.

The whole show was built around Kimbo Slice, the Internet-generated star whose street fights made him into something of a mythical figure in the sport before he’d ever faced a serious opponent.

Slice’s name and face was everywhere in the days and weeks leading up to the bout. Considering the way this dragged on, though, you have to wonder how many folks were still awake when the bell rang to begin Slice’s bout with James Thompson at 11:27 p.m. ET, nearly a full half-hour after the show was supposed to have been over.

While it was mostly C-level talent on display, the fighters by and large held up their end of the bargain. Brett Rogers delivered a one-punch knockout of one-time Syracuse linebacker Jon Murphy in just 1:01 in the first fight of the night.

After glorifying loutish middleweight Phil Baroni as some sort of star – ignoring the fact he’d lost three of his last four and was just a decidedly mediocre 10-9 coming in – CBS looked bad when he was knocked out in 1:11 by Joe Villasenor.

The next two bouts were sensational. Gina Carano outslugged Kaitlin Young after two rounds and middleweights Robbie Lawler and Scott Smith went at it fiercely until Smith was inadvertently poked in the eye in the third, forcing a premature end to their middleweight title bout.

The main event showcased two mediocre fighters in mediocre condition, though after listening to Johnson, Ranallo and Shamrock, you’d have thought we were watching the MMA equivalent of Ali-Frazier.

Have no doubt about this: Slice would be destroyed by any legitimate mixed martial artist. Had Slice faced ex-WWE champion Brock Lesnar, the current UFC rookie hopeful, he’d have been beaten in less than two minutes.

As it was, Slice struggled his way to a sloppy third-round knockout of a complete tomato can.

You can’t blame Slice, because he had no business being in a main event of a mixed martial arts bout at this stage of his progression. It takes years of training and sacrifice to reach the main event in MMA and Slice was only there because of the notoriety he’d gained in his YouTube street brawls.

It was kind of ironic that at the show’s opening, Shamrock said with a straight face, “You won’t find them fighting in a bar and you won’t find them fighting in the street.”

Really?

Well, this card featured a guy (Baroni) who fights in bars and another who made his name by fighting in the streets.

CBS should have known better.

The fans deserved better.

The sport deserved better.

The CBS folks ought to take a look at the WEC card on the cable network Versus on Sunday to see how an MMA show is supposed to be put together. They’ll learn from watching that show how to introduce the viewers to the fighters but not drag the show on like a book that goes on 200 pages too long.

They’ll see quality fights between trained and competitive MMA fighters.

Hopefully, CBS didn’t manage to turn off a large segment to the country to what is a classic and compelling sport.

There’s no question, though, that CBS didn’t do MMA any favors Saturday.

Denzil

06-01-2008, 09:46 PM

As i stay in the UK i couldn't watch the show last night but from what i've heard it doesn't sound like i missed much.

Lets hope the WEC show tonight is much better. Faber vs Pulver should be a great fight.

On a Pale Horse

06-01-2008, 11:10 PM

Smith vs Lawler was good, it was too bad it got stopped early.

Everyone at elitexc (proelite)'s website is crying foul on the main event. Everyone pretty much thinks the ref didnt stop it in the 2nd round when Kimbo was defenseless and getting 100 elbows in the face, where as he would have stopped it for any other fight.

Major props to Brett Rogers though- right in front of Kimbo, his boss, and the press, he said Kimbo's fight was garbage, and looked right at Kimbo and said "you know you tapped". A fight almost broke out between the two.

Heres the video, its pretty entertaining..

http://www.sherdog.com/videos/videos.asp?v_id=1608 (if an ad comes up, click on CONTINUE TO REQUESTED PAGE)

Denzil

06-01-2008, 11:17 PM

It feels a bit like a pro wrestling angle to promote the next Kimbo fight.

However, skepticism on hold for a moment it's great that Rogers openly talks about kimbo's fight like that. He is voicing a lot of complaints that fans and journalists have been discussing over the past day.

On a Pale Horse

06-02-2008, 10:42 PM

I thought that for a minute myself, but then in separate interview, Shaw said he wouldn't be booking Rogers vs Kimbo for the next fight, he was more interested in doing Rogers vs "Bigfoot" Silva. Kimbo vs Rogers would be the perfect fight, both undefeated rising stars in EliteXC going head to head. But I think EliteXC is protecting their ratings guy, and will give him another easy fight or two.
ADDED:
Heres another video of Rodgers saying he'd KO Kimbo in the first round if they fought.

http://www.sherdog.com/videos/videos.asp?v_id=1607

Denzil

06-02-2008, 11:39 PM

Yeah, after the James Thompson fight they may relegate Kimbo to lower-main event fights against a tomato cans. Which would work for popping a small rating but it would leave Elite XC with the task of putting together a good main event to sell the card.

My idea is: Sign Tito Ortiz and match him up against somone like Frank Shamrock. This would be a good main event that can draw well and it should be a pretty decent fight. They also have some history, Frank beat Tito at UFC 22. The only problem is that Frank broke his arm fighting against Cung Le in March 2008.

On a Pale Horse

06-03-2008, 02:11 AM

They might get Tito actually. But Tito isnt very popular right now, and is considered a UFC throw away, so that could back fire on them, people could say they are picking up UFC rejects.

They need to show case "Bigfoot" Silva in their next CBS card, he's possibly there best fighter. They also need to put Cung Le on the card. He was awesome in the fight vs Shamrock- one of the best fights I've ever seen.

For the next card I'd say:

Silva vs Brett Rogers (main event)
Lawer vs Smith (re-match) or Villasenor
Gina Carano vs anyone
Nick Diaz vs anyone
Kimbo vs Buentello or Cabbage

zach82

06-05-2008, 08:06 AM

Hell yes... Kimbo vs Cabbage. That would rock, they can both deliver and take hits. I've always found Tank's ability to take punishment a bit lacking, so his loss to Kimbo wasn't suprising at all. Plus, he's just way past his prime anyway.

On a Pale Horse

06-06-2008, 09:59 PM

According to Kimbo, he will fight Brett Rogers next. He said show in the following interview

http://www.790theticket.com/shows.php?show=The+Dan+Le+Batard+Show+with+Stugotz #

(in the center column, click on where it says Kimbo Slice)

On a Pale Horse

07-27-2008, 12:49 AM

Elite XC on tonight at 9pm on CBS for free.

On a Pale Horse

08-21-2008, 03:05 AM

Interesting to see who Kimbo fights next:

From SI.COM

Who's next for Kimbo Slice?

As presidential nominees John McCain and Barack Obama whittle down their lists of potential VP candidates, Elite XC is also working on its shortlist this week.

Three names keep popping up as the next opponent for Kimbo Slice on Oct. 4: Brett Rogers, Ken Shamrock and ... wait for it ... Sean Gannon.

Rogers is the undefeated heavyweight prospect who called Slice's performance in May against James Thompson "embarrassing." The subsequent back-and-forth bickering between the two at the post-fight press conference seemed exactly the sort of thing CBS wants for its prime-time cards: an interesting storyline.

The feeling among Elite XC execs, however, is that it's better to hold off on a Rogers-Slice showdown for fear that its cash cow, Kimbo, would lose, and thereby extinguish his marketability and the organization's potential pay-per-view debut.

Shamrock would fit nicely -- he hasn't made it out of the opening round since 2005 -- but it appears Elite XC is having trouble getting the deal worked out.

And so, that leaves Gannon, a Boston police officer who defeated Slice in the most famous of the Miami street brawler's underground fight videos. If you'll recall, the UFC tried to capitalize on the YouTube-famed fight by signing Gannon in 2005, but Branden Lee Hinkle pounded him out in less than a round. Since then, Gannon has sat on the sidelines flirting with a big payday and a chance to rematch Slice on a larger stage.

CBS would be the largest.

At this point, unfortunately, signs are pointing to Gannon. The story works for CBS -- it's an easy sell and Kimbo shouldn't face much of a threat. It's perfect all around. That is, unless you think circus fights have no place in MMA, particularly in front of six million viewers.

If you ask me, I'd pit Rogers against Slice. It's not a terrible thing for the popular brawler to walk into a fight as an underdog. If he loses, well, he loses. We've seen Brock Lesnar bounce back from a loss.)The upside is Rogers would immediately become a known commodity as he'd remain undefeated. Plus, Elite XC would possess a credible challenger for its heavyweight champion, Antonio Silva.

Continuing to provide Slice with guys to beat up on won't help him or Elite XC in the long run. But regardless, Elite XC and Kimbo get one more pass. After this, no matter if it's Shamrock or Gannon, Slice has to fight someone real.