Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem

[hack slash]

Fox Sings Aliens Vs. Predator - Requiem
Source: Superhero Hype! August 21, 2007


There's still no trailer, but we do have a new title. 20th Century Fox 's Alien vs. Predator follow-up is now going by Aliens Vs. Predator - Requiem:side:. Written by Shane Salerno and directed by the Strause brothers, the movie is scheduled to hit theaters on Christmas Day.

In the film, the iconic monsters from two of the scariest film franchises ever, wage war in an American Midwestern town – with the residents caught in the middle. David Paetkau, John Ortiz, Johnny Lewis, Reiko Aylesworth, Sam Trammell, Shareeka Epps and Steven Pasquale star.

The studio also registered AliensvsPredatorRequiem.com on August 3rd.

[French Friday]

Oh, I didn't know Reiko Aylesworth is in that movie. That's one more point for the movie.

The new title is better, even if that sounds as if there will be no AVP3. Oh, well, there had been numerous Final Chapters with sequels, so a Requiem having a sequel shouldn't be a problem.

I'm always excited for this movie.

[Kane Lives]

Honestly, I like Requiem a little better as a subtitle than Survival of the Fittest. I never really liked the latter much.

I have mixed feelings about this one, but am still looking forward to it.

[The Dark Vampire]

Only thing what bothering me is it's on over Christmas and to get to the cinema I have to walk about 2 miles in the dark (it will get dark about 4pm here and in the winter the cinema rarely shows films before then)

And it's a quite a dangerous area at times there was a murder just a few months ago.

[Jigsaw]

I'm looking very forward to this film and hope it'll be better than the first AVP (which shouldn't be hard). I just hope the release date is changed at the last minute, Christmas is a very bad choice for the release date.

[Mutant Leprechaun]

I'll probably watch it, but the first AVP was pretty God awful as a sequel to either series... I'll be sure to just treat this as a popcorn flick.

[hack slash]

I'll be sure to just treat this as a popcorn flick.

did you expect the first one to be an award winning artsy film:D

[The Dream Master]

Oh, I didn't know Reiko Aylesworth is in that movie. That's one more point for the movie.



Agreed. I'll go see this, if only to see her, in the same manner that I'm pretty much looking forward to the Halloween remake to see Danielle Harris again. :shy:

[Spade]

I think I might wait to see this one when it comes out on dvd.

[Erik]

Brand-spanking new Red band trailer (http://media.movies.ign.com/media/746/746237/vids_1.html)

[Toejam]

I believe this is the same trailer, you can now watch it here,
no need to verify your age.
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Nice and bloody, looks a lot better than the first film.

[eXile]

That looks more like what AVP should have been.

[Jigsaw]

VERY good trailer. CGI and some shakycam camera work aside, that looks awesome and much better than the first AVP. I'm looking very forward to this. I just hope the Christmas release date won't hurt it at the box office.

[hack slash]

def. not PG-13!!!:D

[jayTL]

The CGI is horrible though...very DTV

[Rick]

Hey, where'd my post go?
Anyway, maybe this is a case of the FX not being totally finished when they put the trailer together, remember the original X-Men trailer?
But i do agree some of the FX weren't that good.
But at least it looks a lot more action packed and wow, that was bloody.

[Zombie]

Holy SHIT! I didn't know this was even being made much less now knowing there is a trailer for it! I saw the High Res trailer on IGN and I had my mouth just dropped open in AWE! I think this looks 100x's better then the first movie and what AVP SHOULD HAVE BEEN!

I just DL'd the HD version and WOW!! Looked even better! That part when the Predator shot Two shots at once and blew off two heads was FUCKIN SICK!!!! :D

Oh man, This is going to be AWESOME! Also the Predators don't look all huge and bulky like Paul WS Anderson's take on them. Someone needs to sit him down and say, "Hey dipshit, this is how it should have been made in the first place!!!"

I really HOPE & PRAY that this makes ALOT more then AvP did to show Fox that this is what we REALLY wanted the first go around and this is how we want movies that are supposed to be rated R to be RATED R! If this get's cut down to a PG-13 rating then I'm afraid it'll suck balls because all the kills in the trailer is what has me excited for the movie. It's kinda like Die Hard 4 should have been Rated R due to all the other ones being Rated R and I think the PG13 rating hurt the movie due to language being toned down and some of the violence being cut away or not like it was in the other ones.

PLEASE DON'T SCREW THE RATING!!!


Man, my countdown has begun! First thing Christmas morning I'm getting ready and will be first in line to see this!!!

[Andiac]

I've been looking forward to this since Paul Anderson hasn't been attached! The trailer looks great! Who cares if it's a shit story or not? The violence and fun factor is there!

Without a doubt this is already miles better than the awful AvP! Can't wait!

[SoulOnFire]

Holy mother of all that is good and holy!!! THAT'S what the first film shoulda been. The minute I saw the skinned body, I knew it was gonna be good.

I have a feeling they'll explain why no one knew about the Aliens in the Alien films. Just some shots in the trailer confirm that.

[Zombie]

Got me so excited I started to find more info on it. Found this site (link below) that has pretty much EVERYTHING that is "known" about this film. There is some "spoiler'ish" stuff so click on the link at your own risk. Some things I'm a little "eh" on but I don't think it'll effect it that much and doubt it'll hurt the movie in anyway if anything make it better and more "believable".

The ONE thing I am at least thankfull and happy about is -
No Teamups - The directors have said there will be no human-predator teamups in AvP2.

When that happened in the first movie all I could do was just roll my eyes and put my head down shaking it saying "NO! You have got to be kidding me!" IMO that really ruined the first movie from that moment on. I just hated that had happened. It was supposed to be Alien vs Predator... Not Alien vs Predator & Humans!

So again, click at your own risk. I don't think it's to "Spoiler'ish" but there are some things "given away" but it's not to to bad.

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/avpmovie.php?section=movieavp2
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Also, did anyone think that "main" female in the trailer kind of looked exactley like a "young" Sigourny Weaver? I had to check to see if she was or wasn't attached to the movie.

[El Diablo]

Personally, I think the trailer looks great. There's a sense of dread there and a particular style that just feels darker and more ominous than anything in the first AVP. My only hope is that the Strause Bros. can nail the characters and the story as well as the visuals. It's looking good so far.

[eXile]

Also, did anyone think that "main" female in the trailer kind of looked exactly like a "young" Sigourney Weaver? I had to check to see if she was or wasn't attached to the movie.

I don't think that was a coincidence. She looks very Ripley-ish (circa Aliens) in a couple of the shots. Based on the trailer, it seems like the people behind this film are at least trying to stick more with some of the elements from the original franchises, as opposed to just taking the title characters and throwing them into a steaming pile of...Well, you get the point.

[mjollner]

Looks popcorn worthy.

If nothing else, atleast we'll finally be rid of all the people screaming for predalien. Does anyone have any other requests? Alien king? Predalien queen? etc...

[El Rooto]

The Aliens and Predator are very fucking mean in that trailer.

I never saw AVP, but bring on AVP2.

[Jigsaw]

Does anyone have any other requests? Alien king? Predalien queen? etc...


I always thought an Alien King would've been cool.

[Rich]

That trailer looks awesome! It looks rated R too. I just hope there are a lot of Aliens and Predators in this one, not like two each like the first one.

[The New Blood]

This movie looks great! I can't wait to see it. But, what the hell are they thinking releasing this on Christmas Day? That makes no sense.

[El Rooto]

How so?

I think this is going to be a merry Christmas.

[Kane Lives]

The trailer does look pretty cool. I was surprised.

The action looks a lot better than the flat sequences (IMO) that Anderson delivered, and it certainly looks more violent and R-rated. So, that's at least two improvements for me.

My spirits have been lifted for this movie slightly.

[Erik]

This movie looks great! I can't wait to see it. But, what the hell are they thinking releasing this on Christmas Day? That makes no sense.

It's going to be just like Grindhouse on Easter weekend. It's going to bomb. Hard. Which really sucks because it looks really fun.

[Violent VictiM]

It does indeed look like a good movie. Maybe it won't bomb. I know Christmas to me isn't what it used to be. I can go out after family gatherings and what not, so I could totally get drunk on holiday eggnog and then go peep this film for a 12 O' clock showing.

[Jigsaw]

The studio really needs to push the release date to maybe February or March. Releasing this on Christmas is a bad move.

[El Rooto]

Oh, my God. I've just had a revelation thanks to you guys.

AVP3: Predator Saves Christmas.

Or not.

[Jigsaw]

Hopefully they won't go there :X

On a more serious note, I'm very happy to see in the trailer that the Predators' thermal vision is looking more like it did in the two seperate Predator films and not like it did in AVP.

[CosmoBubba]

Oh, my God. I've just had a revelation thanks to you guys.

AVP3: Predator Saves Christmas.

Or not.

If only Jim Varney were still alive...

[El Rooto]

C'mon. A little boy with a terminal disease teaches the Predator the meaning of Christmas...just as the Aliens attack the hospital the kid is in!

It ends with the Aliens and Predator making peace and singing Silent Night, Holy Night in their respective tongues as Santa Claus is taken out by the plasmacaster because he symbolizes commercialism!
...

AVP: Requiem only has half the budget of the original...

[NW77]

The trailer frickin' rock. This is what the first film should've been: brutal & bloody violence without holding back and no teamup too. Glad FOX at least brought back the R violence that was missing in the first film.

And I don't know if it will bomb or not in Christmas. Titanic was release around Christmas or at least close to it and look how that turn out. I think AvP 2 will make some good bucks. Maybe not $200 millions, but I think enough to get their money back. The DVD release could help too. ;)

[Jigsaw]

Hopefully AVP2 will at least make back it's budget and be fairly profitable.

[Mutant Leprechaun]

did you expect the first one to be an award winning artsy film:D

LOL! Bad choice of words on my part there, sorry! I was supposed to say "I'll be sure to have my brain removed surgically before I watch this movie, so that I don't ruin the movie for my friends by pointing out every plot hole and scientific error I see".
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AVP: Requiem only has half the budget of the original...
Good thing too, might bring it a bit closer to the original Predator and Alien movies.

AVP was far too CGI happy.

[El Rooto]

Well, we might just get super lame-o Sci-Fi Channel CGI with a lower budget.

At least they have one of KNB's alumni doing the effects.

[Killa Pimp]

OMFG!!!!:D

Just caught the "trailer."

Opening day: front row: center.

Consider me sold.

[Mutant Leprechaun]

Well, we might just get super lame-o Sci-Fi Channel CGI with a lower budget. If they're smart they'll focus on costumes rather than CGI. But it's definitely a possibility that they will do a stupid Sci-fi channel type CGI movie with the lower budget.

However, I am happy with what the trailer looks like, and hopefully it's a good indicator of what the movie will be like (a lot of horrible movies had great trailers though).

[Rich]

Yeah they'll release it on XMAS day and it will bomb because, well, it is XMAS day and then the stupid studio will say it is no longer a seller and it will go dtv.

Why would they release a movie like that on XMAS. It almost seems as though Fox is setting it up to fail.

[Erik]

They're dumping the movie on Christmas because they already don't have faith in the money making potential of the franchise.

[Spade]

I pretty much agree with the rest of you. The trailer looked really good. I'm surprised that I'm actually excited about this movie. The movie looks like it will be better than part 1.

Take care and God bless.

Spade

[eXile]

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[Rick]

The middle of January is a dump date.
It may not break records but christmas releases are by no mean a bad thing.
A LOT of people go to the movies on christmas, especially in college and university towns.
The only draw back I can see is this is an action movie and may not draw the christmas day crowed.

[Erik]

December 25 is not a "dump-date" for movies.

Movies released on the Dec. 25 in the last decade or so that are in the top-500 grossing movies of all time...

Catch Me If You Can
Children of Men
As Good As It Gets
Cheaper By The Dozen
Patch Adams
Cold Mountain
The Talented Mr. Ripley

December 25 is by no means a July 4 or even Thanksgiving release date, but it's a hardly a dump-date either.

I don't see where the complaining about the CG is coming from based on the trailer. I've watched the QT version multiple times, and it looks like they are relying much more heavily on practical effects versus CG ones. I didn't really see anything that made me think the effects were going to be Sci-Fi Channel material.

I absolutely hated the first AVP and had no hopes for the sequel, but the trailer looks much more on-par with what I think an AVP movie should be.

In this case, it is a dump date. You can't release a Hard R Sci-fi/Horror/Action movie on that day and expect it to do well. It's the exact scenario that screwed Grindhouse.

[The Dark Vampire]

To be honest apart from the danger issue i mentioned earlier I hardily have time to blink over Christmas never mind go to the cinema

[Biosynthnut v.2]

:D THAT was fucking cool. And it screams R rated.

[eXile]

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[French Friday]

Great, great trailer !

And who said AVP in a middlewest little town could be the best thing out there ? Stop searching, I was the only one who had faith in the concept. :p

And it's R. At least, even if they censor it for the theater, the DVD will be R. The shots are here. They fixed the main failure of AVP. They finally understood.

Now, for those who said "that's what AVP should have been", well, AVPR is there. So what need for complaining ?

AVP was the first movie. The prologue. It introduced the mythology, the link between the Predators and the Aliens. That was useful and interesting. It served its purpose : creating the new franchise.

Now AVPR is the second act.

Also note that AVP was for Alien Vs Predator.

Now AVPR is for AlienS Vs Predator : Requiem.

The first movie was "one on one" fights. It was announced in the title. This one, as shown in the trailer, seems to be more "one Predator Vs several Aliens".

The best omen now would be that AVP3 will stand for AlienS Vs PredatorS, the all out war !

I can't wait for christmas now.

[Biosynthnut v.2]

My gf and I watched the orginal last night. Somehow I found a new respect for it. Knowing that this is comming out and is more "hardcore" to the theme of both franchises.

[French Friday]

My gf and I watched the orginal last night. Somehow I found a new respect for it. Knowing that this is comming out and is more "hardcore" to the theme of both franchises.

That's how it should work in a franchise. The first one is always just a prologue, like the pre-opening credits sequence in a TV episode. Often, in TV shows, the first season isn't the best one. And often, the season finale is better than the season opener. Too bad in movies, it's rarely the case.

Sure, it's always better if the prologue is the best possible, and AVP wasn't, but if it's just an interesting movie, and AVP was, remember it's just a beginning, and the best has yet to come !

And it seems it will come on Christmas !

[Scarecrow]

This looks soooooooo much better than the first. Kind of wish we could go back to the future with these films at some point but for now, this looks excellent.


- Scarecrow

[Livingdeadboy]

hey, if the theatrical release is R rated, does that mean we'll get a killer unrated dvd??? :D

[Scarecrow]

Any word on when this hits the UK?

- Scarecrow

[hack slash]

MORE R RATED AVP TO COME????
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The Brothers Strause on AVP-R
Source: MTV September 11, 2007


MTV has posted a spoiler-filled interview with Aliens vs. Predator - Requiem directors Greg Strause and Colin Strause. They also chatted a bit about a possible sequel to their film:

"I'd like to do another one but I'd like to do it in space. The next one either has to be more of the bridge after this and before 'Alien,' or you could do something after 'Aliens,' " Greg said, getting back to work. "We have a pretty finite ending to this, but we have a cliffhanger per se; it's a setup."

[El Rooto]

The release date has been changed to January 18.

[Jigsaw]

Good to hear the release date has been changed. Releasing it on Christmas would've ensured it to bomb. January is dump month but it's chances of success are far better that month.

[Erik]

Good to hear the release date has been changed. Releasing it on Christmas would've ensured it to bomb. January is dump month but it's chances of success are far better that month.

Not when it's paired up against Cloverfield...

[Jigsaw]

Shit, well hopefully it'll at least make a decent profit :meh:

[Jack Bauer]

When the chips are down it'll be a hit on DVD.

[Jigsaw]

It'll definitely do well on DVD for sure.

[Jack Bauer]

I wonder if Lance and Paxton would do a special track for the DVD.

One could only hope.

[Erik]

Why? They're not in the movie...

[Jack Bauer]

Maybe have them watch the film and comment on it since they starred, fought, and died in Alien and Predator film. It'll be something for the hardcore fans.

[hack slash]

Why? They're not in the movie...

Kevin Smith did one for Road House:D
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Not when it's paired up against Cloverfield...

I'd Rather see AVP:R than American Godzilla 2...I mean Cloverfield or whatever they decide to name it

[Jack Bauer]

Kevin Smith did one for Road House:D
He did? I must find and watch it just to see how he reacts to that classic film.

[hack slash]

He did? I must find and watch it just to see how he reacts to that classic film.

On the special edition DVD that was released last year he and Mosier did a track for it, they were asked to do it because they were talking aout Road House on the Clerks X DVD track I believe

[Toejam]

He did? I must find and watch it just to see how he reacts to that classic film.

I thought it was a fairly boring commentary, they (Smith and Mosier) didn't prepare for it very well and if I didn't know their voices it would have been like two random guys talk over a movie they hadn't seen in years.

[The Dream Master]

Is it wrong that I'm somewhat excited about this?

[Kane Lives]

I couldn't have been any less excited about this film before I saw how much better it appeared to be than the first film when the trailer came online.

Now, I have some hope. I just hope it lives up to what the trailer makes it out to be.

[jackdeth]

I couldn't have been any less excited about this film before I saw how much better it appeared to be than the first film when the trailer came online.

Now, I have some hope. I just hope it lives up to what the trailer makes it out to be.
That trailer looked awesome, I'm so pumped to see the movie now.

[Just Jeans]

For the record, February is dump-month, not January. Do you really think Abrams would release Cloverfield in a dump-month?

I'd Rather see AVP:R than American Godzilla 2...I mean Cloverfield or whatever they decide to name it

I'd rather pull my own teeth with rusty pliers than sit through another AVP film, R-rating or otherwise.

Guess I'll be seeing Cloverfield (which, frankly, looks like it's going to be the best genre film in '08.)

[El Diablo]

January is still associated with being a dumping ground for films that the studios don't have much faith in. There have been a few modest hits at the start of the year but it's usually a time when films that have been shelved for a while get to see the light of day with very little push from the studios or when Oscar contenders that may have had limited releases before the end of the year open nationwide. J.J. Abrams is the exception to the rule in that he chose that date specifically. He gets to ride the wave of hype all the way to January without being second guessed by anyone (it's not like Paramount has been holding on to the film for ages and are "dumping" it at the start of the year).

As for AVP-R, it's still being released in the States on December 25th. Bloody-Disgusting and JoBlo.com received mixed information and Fox has confirmed that it's still on for X-mas.

[hack slash]

I will have this poster

http://www.joblo.com/newsimages1/avprpostersupersize.jpg

[NW77]

I will have this poster

http://www.joblo.com/newsimages1/avprpostersupersize.jpg

You want a poster with the word "Forbidden" in it? That's not AvP 2 related poster there. :p :p

[hack slash]

You want a poster with the word "Forbidden" in it? That's not AvP 2 related poster there. :p :p

damn that sucks go to Joblo then
http://joblo.com/

[Toejam]

Another Trailer,
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[The New Blood]

That poster looks so awesome!

[Jack Bauer]

That new trailer looked sick! I might go and see it and it's nice to have another Ripley in the mist of all of this.

[Apocalypto]

This movie looks incredible. A one man army uber bad ass movie out in the forest, but a one man Predator movie with a bunch of Aliens instead of a bunch of bad guys...infinitely awesome.

I might even love this more than the first Predator. Few trailers have ever gotten me as pumped for a movie.

[Scarecrow]

I just hope they're not over-hyping it. AvP also suffered from a lack of decent characters that you care about, an element in all the other Alien movies, and I only hope Requiem can correct this.


- Scarecrow

[Jigsaw]

This movie is looking great from the previews and has become my most anticipated movie of the year. I just hope the release date gets changed from Christmas :(

[Apocalypto]

I just hope they're not over-hyping it. AvP also suffered from a lack of decent characters that you care about, an element in all the other Alien movies, and I only hope Requiem can correct this.


- Scarecrow

The filmmakers don't even seem to care much for the first AvP judging from the interviews I've seen with them, they talk about what they love about the first Predator and Aliens is how much you get to know the characters and how relateable they are to the everyday world before even interacting with the monsters, so I'm pretty sure they'll be plenty of focus on the humans before the Wolf starts kicking the shit out of Aliens.

"This movie is looking great from the previews and has become my most anticipated movie of the year. I just hope the release date gets changed from Christmas."

Highly unlikely, they've even attached a subtitle to the movie and used Silent Night on the trailer to center the promotion around that date; I think this will be a terriffic Christmas present, and there doesn't appear to be any huge competition that weekend.

[Apocalypto]

The Asylum has done it again....somebody just sue these bastards straight to hell already.......

http://www.alienexperience.com/images/news/avh.jpg

A galactic hunter chases the most dangerous alien creature in the universe to planet Earth, where humanity is caught between predator and prey.


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1094162/

http://www.horror-movies.ca/horror_9518.html


Quote:
Ah, those folks at Asylum. Since the release of their War of the Worlds, a large percentage of their output has been what have been coined "mock-busters" or by others "tie-ins", "rip-offs" etc. Pirates of Treasure Island, The 9/11 Commission Report, King of the Lost World, Hillside Cannibals, Snakes on a Train, Invasion of the Pod People...all sounds very familiar to recent movies that have hit our theaters. Though I should make a note that Asylum has self-produced some 40 flicks since the late 1990s (some of which are pretty good, I do recommend Dead Men Walking for zombie fans) and been distributing about 200 indie flicks since the early 1990s.

In recent months their film output has been improving (Transmorphers my personal favorite) and in terms of direct-to-DVD features, their stuff is better than most direct-to-DVD movies out there. And the fact that most of their recent movies tie into a larger studio film helps The Asylum survive, none of their films have been over $1million bucks so they do live movie to movie.

While looking around their website, I noticed they had done an update with the page for their December release, Alien vs Hunter.

Now, I am actually part curious about this new title from them. Many of their more recent tie-ins have been different in storyline (The Hitchhiker, Transmorphers) compared to the big studio film they are meant to relate to. Question is will it be different enough from Aliens vs Predator: Requiem?

I'm hoping that better than how it looks as its written by Asylum head David Michael Latt (he wrote/directed War of the Worlds, which was a pretty good watch), sadly its directed by Scott Harper who did Supercroc, which was as many folks say is Supercrap. So that kinda kills it. But, check out AVH's personal page on Asylum's website to check out the rather spiffy artwork. The trailer though hasn't been released.

Special Features (yes, unlike most direct to dvd stuff, Asylum does do special features on all its movies):

Filmmaker's Commentary
Deleted Scenes
Bloopers
And I know there is a fair number of folks here who hated Paul W.S Anderson's Alien vs Predator, so at least you should check it out and maybe you'll be laughing on how Anderson was beaten by low budget horror flick.

Alien vs Hunter hits the shelves on December 18.

[Jigsaw]

How those people haven't gotten sued yet is beyond me. That is such blatant stealing and copyright infringement.

[Kane Lives]

That is such blatant stealing and copyright infringement.


It certainly is. :shock:

They didn't even try to stray too far away from the actual designs of the Alien and the Predator. Hunter was even the original title of Predator. I can't believe that hasn't ignited a lawsuit either. Maybe FOX just doesn't feel they're worth going after? lol

[The Dream Master]

I'm sure if Fox could find a way to sue the living hell out of them, they would.

There has to be some reason they're not, because, for the love of God, just look at that. It's so blatant.

[Jigsaw]

Fox ought to sue them after this. I've never seen such obvious stealing.

[El Rooto]

I think Asylum is amazing.

Not in a good way, of course...

[The Dark Vampire]

I agree the title is to close they should of called it "Creature From Another Planet VS Something Else From A Different Planet But Fighting Here On Earth"

[Apocalypto]

The Incredible Hulk and Iron Man next year...

so we can all look forward to "The Gamma Monster" and "Metal Man."

I wonder what they'll give us when JOHN RAMBO and Cloverfield open.

[jayTL]

http://www.afmfilms.org/catalog/FilmDetail.php?id=5047

Cloverfield Rip-Off


lol

[Scarecrow]

Man these guys have hit a whole new height/low in low-budget film-making. Full Moon? Troma? Nah, these guys have the guys to go all the way and blatantly rip-off of just about everything. :D Madness but I kind of want to see it....


- Scarecrow

[French Friday]

Great cover art, like Transmorphers, I have to watch it.

[NW77]

http://www.alienexperience.com/images/news/avh.jpg



Oh geez!! I almost thought that was a brand new AvP 2 poster, until I saw William Katt's name on the list & I know he wasn't in AvP 2. Fox ought to sue the filmmaker for making the movie poster & the movie itself so similiar to AvP. Not to mention not confuse the general public too. :p

[Apocalypto]

And as for FOX being too lazy to sue...it's not just FOX, they've plagiarized so many different films from so many different studios that by all intensive purposes, they should've been sued for more money than they've spent and made off of all of their films combined by now.

I'm surprised they didn't have a movie called "Apocalypse" about a native being chased through the jungle on his quest to save his family when the movie I'm usernamed after came out and said "Um...he's an Aztec, so it's different!"

And no "Faun's Circle" when Pan's Labyrinth made it big...these guys must be slacking.

[French Friday]

And I'm always bothering to find original ideas for my own writing, always afraid to plagiarize something without knowing it...

[Apocalypto]

The good folks at the Asylum never waste their time worrying about that.:)

[Just Jeans]

I did some reading up when Snakes on a Train was released, and it turns out that The Asylum have got nothing to worry about -- they dance gleefully around the infringement line, but they never flat out step across it (they've got lawyers who make sure they're not going to get sued before these knock-off films go into production.)

[Apocalypto]

I probably wouldn't mind them so much if they admitted what they're doing as a homage/respect sort of thing, but I've watched the special features on quite a few of their films, and they never even at all mention the films that they're practically plagiarizing.

It'd be remarkably stupid if they tried presenting stuff like Wrong Turn of House of 1000 Corpses as original works, hence why they admitt the very strong, and very obvious influences.

The Asylum's films are far more blatant in their copy and pasting than those movies, and don't admitt it.

[Just Jeans]

The Asylum's films are far more blatant in their copy and pasting than those movies, and don't admitt it.

Hunt down and read some of their comments about these films. The people at The Asylum are 100% honest about what it is these films are. They make them to cash in on a popular concept, and they're not ashamed to be doing so. They're remarkably open and honest about it.

[Apocalypto]

Hunt down and read some of their comments about these films. The people at The Asylum are 100% honest about what it is these films are. They make them to cash in on a popular concept, and they're not ashamed to be doing so. They're remarkably open and honest about it.

I've watched their bonus material on King of the Lost World, The Child: 666, Hillside Cannibals, Snakes on a Train, Halloween Night, and whatever their When a Stranger Calls knock off was called...they certainly didn't give that impression.

They made no mention of the real stuff.

[Apocalypto]

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[Killa Pimp]

Pics look good, hopefully it will carry over to the big screen.

[Just Jeans]

They made no mention of the real stuff.

Here's some info:

The Asylum's practice of producing so-called "rip-off" movies was brought to light in July 2006 on The Today Show on NBC, featuring perspectives on the matter by Asylum head David Michael Latt, a consumer advocate, and some people in a video store. Latt contended that he is running a business and is merely trying to get the largest audience to see his films (like all filmmakers), but also says his company puts their own spin on the tales. He also notes that The Asylum has released over 200 films, and only 6 of which are studio 'tie-ins'. The consumer advocates note that, while it is very misleading and unfair to customers, it is perfectly legal and, from a business standpoint, very clever. Customers at a video store expressed bewilderment, as one who picked up a copy of Pirates of Treasure Island was prompted to ask, "Is Johnny Depp even in this?"

Director Leigh Scott (Dracula's Curse, Beast of Bray Road, Dragon, 9/11 Commission Report) defended Asylum's practice of doing cash in films on his commentary for his film The Hitchhiker (meant to cash in on the 2007 remake, but wasn't released until March and bears little to the remake) stating that numerous books and TV specials come out about the time large films (such as The Da Vinci Code and Pirates of the Caribbean) come out about the topics or eras covered in those films. Scott defends Asylum saying that it is also just doing what numerous other people are doing, but they are the only ones making feature length films.

[Patrick]

The trailer I saw looked pretty kick-ass. I liked the first one..even though at first I had reservations about it, but I liked it. I am looking forward to seeing this one as well.

[Andiac]

The Asylum is utterly brilliant. They're doing what you must do in business to survive. Create a popular product for consumers. And be the top. If you aren't the top, you copy what others are doing who are better than you. It's perfectly legal and makes a lot of sense! It's business.

Is it fair? Of course it is! It's down to the consumer - the onus of responsibility is on them. Consumers decide what they want to consume, and that's where the buck stops. No one can force someone to watch a movie. It's like the mother who took her (17 year old) son to see Kill Bill and then complained about the violent content.

1) The son was of legal age
2) The movie is called Kill Bill
3) If you can't be bothered to make yourself aware of the rating and content of the film, you have no one to blame but your ignorant self!!! :p

If a consumer isn't paying attention and realises that Pirates of Treasure Island is not a Johnny Depp movie, then that's not Asylum's fault. Asylum have accurately noted that some genre films are popular, so thus release similar themed movies.

A more mainstream example is the new cover for Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2. That looks like a cover from a Saw DVD. MGM realised Saw was popular, and changed their (what I thought was better) original DVD art to mimic common trends.

Anyway, so this post isn't totally useless: I can't wait for AVP:R. Anderson made an awful AVP, it was just bad, and cheesy and bloodless. Why make a sequel to an R rated series and make it PG13? (Die Hard anyone?)

And the storyline was average in itself.

This sequel should at least provide the fun and gore that I wanted from the first! Already it's a winner. And if its storyline sucks, it could never be as bad as the first.

[French Friday]

Why make a sequel to an R rated series and make it PG13? (Die Hard anyone?)

And that was because of FOX, not because of Anderson. Blame the right people.

Sorry, I had to say that.

[Andiac]

And that was because of FOX, not because of Anderson. Blame the right people.

Sorry, I had to say that.
Hmm, fair enough. But Anderson still purposely shoots less red stuff because he doesn't want the MPAA to edit his films. Resident Evil for example, cool movie, but lacked a lot of zombie carnage.

I haven't seen the unrated version of AVP, but is that even R rated material?

[Apocalypto]

The Asylum is utterly brilliant. They're doing what you must do in business to survive. Create a popular product for consumers. And be the top. If you aren't the top, you copy what others are doing who are better than you. It's perfectly legal and makes a lot of sense! It's business.

Is it fair? Of course it is! It's down to the consumer - the onus of responsibility is on them. Consumers decide what they want to consume, and that's where the buck stops. No one can force someone to watch a movie. It's like the mother who took her (17 year old) son to see Kill Bill and then complained about the violent content.

1) The son was of legal age
2) The movie is called Kill Bill
3) If you can't be bothered to make yourself aware of the rating and content of the film, you have no one to blame but your ignorant self!!! :p

If a consumer isn't paying attention and realises that Pirates of Treasure Island is not a Johnny Depp movie, then that's not Asylum's fault. Asylum have accurately noted that some genre films are popular, so thus release similar themed movies.

A more mainstream example is the new cover for Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2. That looks like a cover from a Saw DVD. MGM realised Saw was popular, and changed their (what I thought was better) original DVD art to mimic common trends.

Yeah, but I'm hard pressed to think of any films that I've seen in theatres that are as much carbon copies that are as close to plagiarize (whether they're exactly there by the legal definition or not) as The Asylum's films.

I agree it's not The Asylum's fault if a Consumer is stupid enough to expect Johnny Depp to be in Pirates of Treasure Island, if anyone should be upset about The Asylum's films it should be studios and copyright holders, not consumers that confused it for the real thing.

[Cody]

IGN (http://media.movies.ign.com/media/746/746237/vids_1.html) has a clip.

[The New Blood]

The new clip looks pretty damn good. I'm glad teh Predator is not only looking like, but acting like the originals. The Aliens look kinda crappy thanks to ADI, but I can get over that if the movie is good. I will definetly be there when this one opens.

[Dave Dunwoody]

Wicked cool. I agree with Andiac, even if the story turns out to be weak, this movie is going to crush AvP in terms of Predatory/Alieny goodness.

[Zombie]

Totally gonna blow away the first one. Hopefully this will show that Paul WS Anderson whatever is the suckiest director next to Uwe Boll and he's not allowed to touch potential great franchices. God I hated him for how he ruined the first ever AvP movie. The trailer looked like it was going to be good then the utter PG13 rating had to show. Unfortuanally for that film it killed it unlike Live Free or Die Hard which I thought was going to be hurt by the PG13 rating.

[NW77]

The Aliens look kinda crappy thanks to ADI, but I can get over that if the movie is good.

ADI? What ADI? And I don't have a problem with how they look in this one. It suppose to look like the one in the original from Ridley Scott. Their head were more bumpy, while James Cameron started with a smooth & flat head than bumps.

[The New Blood]

ADI? What ADI? And I don't have a problem with how they look in this one. It suppose to look like the one in the original from Ridley Scott. Their head were more bumpy, while James Cameron started with a smooth & flat head than bumps.

Actually the head was smooth in Ridley Scott's film. Cameron's Aliens had the ridges. These aliens look almost nothing like the alien in the original film. These have the same body as the ones in AVP with a newly designed head. The only real complaints I have about ADI's Alien designs is the huge mouths(with few or no tendons on the sides), gigantic goofy looking hands and dinosaur feet.

[El Diablo]

Sideshow Collectibles has revealed images of their new life-size Predator bust from AVP-R.

http://www.sideshowtoy.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?item=2948

http://www.sideshowtoy.com/mas_assets/jpg/2948_press06-001.jpg

http://www.sideshowtoy.com/mas_assets/jpg/2948_press07-001.jpg

http://www.sideshowtoy.com/mas_assets/jpg/2948_press08-001.jpg

"You are one ugly muthafucka!" ;)


Personally, I like it. It's a vast improvement over the last Predator design and at least this one looks mean instead of pathetic.

I had the opportunity to check out some footage from the movie recently at the Los Angeles Comic Book Convention. They held a panel for AVP-R and the directors were on hand to preview an exclusive clip and take questions from the audience. I actually posted this information on the message boards of an AVP fan site but I wanted to give you guys the details here.

Spoilers ahead.

*For those that don't know, "Wolf" is the name the directors have given the new Predator*

The footage begins with the Predator walking through the hallways of a hospital, which has now been turned into an Alien hive. The Predalien drops down from the ceiling behind him. Wolf turns and sees the creature through his thermal vision before slashing at it (can't recall if he used his gauntlet blades or a shuriken). Before Wolf can strike a second time the Predalien smacks him with it's tail, sending him crashing through a wall and into what appears to be an x-ray room. The Predator jumps back into the hive to continue the fight when an Alien Warrior drops down in front of the Predalien, almost protecting it, and attacks the Predator. The Predator shoots it with a hand-held plasma caster. A second Alien attacks but Wolf forces it to the ground and shoves a glowing blue vial into its mouth, causing it to melt from the inside out. This blue vial was later explained by the Strause Bros. to be a chemical that the Predator uses to get rid of the evidence of the alien bodies while on his mission. There are two more Alien Warriors that are climbing the walls of the hive towards the Predator. He throws two shurikens, killing both aliens, but one shuriken continues flying. This is the scene from the trailer where the female character, who is running down the hallway with the rest of the humans, is pinned to the wall (her death was an accident).

The only other footage that was shown was the red band trailer that IGN debuted in August. The Predalien looks pretty good on film and she definitely appears to be more powerful than the other Aliens. Her tail is strong enough to send the Predator crashing through a wall with one swipe. One other thing I noticed was that she appears to be a different color than the rest of the Aliens in thermal vision (she appears yellow while the rest are green). Small detail but I thought you guys might find it interesting.

A Q&A session followed after the screening of the footage. Colin and Greg appeared on stage with a moderator who worked for 20th Century Fox's publicity department. They discussed the making of the film for a good thirty to forty minutes.

Here's some of the highlights:

- The story they originally pitched for the first AVP was supposed to take place right after the events in James Cameron's ALIENS.

- If they were to do a third ALIEN VS. PREDATOR movie they would have it take place in space or in the future (this got a huge round of applause from the crowd).

- This is the first Predator that we've seen who isn't on a trophy hunt. He won't attack humans who are unarmed but he will kill anyone who gets in the way of his mission or wants to confront him. We learn a little more about the Predator as he continues his mission throughout the movie.

- The blue vial of liquid that Wolf uses to kill an Alien in the clip we saw is actually a chemical that is meant to destroy the physical remains of the creatures that he encounters, hopefully leaving no evidence of the Aliens on earth.

- This particular earthbound story will have a definite ending with no loose ends to carry on into another film. Since they've mentioned taking the series farther into the future I'm going to assume that there are no Aliens or Predators left running around Gunnison, Colorado by the time the credits roll.

- One member of the audience asked if it was the Strause Bros. who decided on having ADI do the effects work for this film instead of Stan Winston. The Bros. seemed pretty supportive of ADI but they did make it a point to mention that the company was hired to work on the film before they were approached to direct it.

- Hydraulix is doing almost all of the digital effects work on this movie. They were also working on visual effects for 300, the FANTASTIC 4 sequel and a few other movies when they started production on AVP-R.

- The Fox moderator admitted that the film wasn't really meant to have the subtitle "REQUIEM" and that AVP-R really stood for the "R" rating.

- This wasn't answered directly by the Strause Bros. but I get the impression that we will see an alien planet or something that links back the earlier films in the series. Not sure if this particular something is related to Predator or Alien but when an audience member asked about the chances of seeing an alien world in either this film or future sequels, Colin kept smiling and gave us a "maybe" answer.

- The "hive fight" clip that we saw is near the end of the film and continues on to an epic rooftop battle with the Predator facing off against the remaining Aliens and the Predalien while the human survivors are trying to haul ass out of there.

- This film doesn't have a lone human hero like there was in the previous ALIEN and PREDATOR movies. There is no Ripley or Schwarzenegger type of character who makes a stand against the monsters. This is an ensemble picture and a survival movie, the humans are just trying to flee and keep themselves alive. It is said that Dallas at one point tries to stand up to one of the creatures (I'm assuming the Predator) but he's shown to be far more vulnerable and less superhuman than Schwarzenegger was. I kind of like that. It makes it more believable if the main characters are just trying to get out by the skin of their nuts instead of fighting back or forming an alliance with one of the creatures.

- The script for AVP-R had already been written when they took the job. They had it rewritten once they signed on and only one page of the original draft remained intact. Plus, the actors did a lot of improvising on set so they used the shooting script as a blueprint.

- There are no Alien eggs in the film. We will see the Predalien breed the way it was described in the recent USA Today article where she regurgitates into the mouths of her victims. I'm not entirely against the idea, though it is different, but when I spoke to Colin and Greg afterward they mentioned that they wanted to do something different with the Predalien, something that we've never seen before. I suppose the Aliens are constantly evolving since they are the perfect biological organism so they may find other ways to breed outside of the traditional reproductive cycle.

- Colin was a big fan of the AVP video games but much of the design inspiration came from the comic books, including the look of Wolf's hand-held gun.

- The Bros. mentioned that there are plans for a new ALIEN VS. PREDATOR PC/Xbox game to be released.

- The studio does not seem interested in revisiting the ALIEN franchise anytime soon due to the box office failure of the last two sequels.

- The last half of the film is set in near darkness when the town of Gunnison suffers a power failure ("How could they cut the power, man? They're animals!").

- There is a double facehugger attack that is entirely shot in-camera (no CGI). A lot of old tricks such as reverse photography were used to film the sequence.

I had a brief chat with Colin and Greg on the convention floor after the panel discussion. They seem like good guys and although I still have reservations about the final product I'm hoping they deliver the goods and make a movie that is superior to the first and at the very least, guilt-free entertainment.

Fingers crossed, guys.

[Kane Lives]

- If they were to do a third ALIEN VS. PREDATOR movie they would have it take place in space or in the future (this got a huge round of applause from the crowd).


I find that to be good news. I wish the second one had been set in the future, but the possibility of a future AVP film being set there is promising to me.



- The studio does not seem interested in revisiting the ALIEN franchise anytime soon due to the box office failure of the last two sequels.


This however is not good news. I really wanted an Alien 5 set on the Homeworld to tie it all up. :(

I guess it's AVP or nothing now. Or a remake. *shudders*

[francesco]

i didn't know that alien 3 and 4 flopped! maybe predator 2.

[NW77]

Sideshow Collectibles has revealed images of their new life-size Predator bust from AVP-R.

http://www.sideshowtoy.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?item=2948

http://www.sideshowtoy.com/mas_assets/jpg/2948_press06-001.jpg

http://www.sideshowtoy.com/mas_assets/jpg/2948_press07-001.jpg

http://www.sideshowtoy.com/mas_assets/jpg/2948_press08-001.jpg

"You are one ugly muthafucka!" ;)



That look cool. I notice the left side of his cheek look like it been burned & his left eye is quite all white. Perhaps his face & eye get damage from an alien's acid? I love the look of that Predator. Should be cool to see onscreen. :cool:

[mjollner]

I hate the hair though. :(

[French Friday]

I find that to be good news. I wish the second one had been set in the future, but the possibility of a future AVP film being set there is promising to me.

This however is not good news. I really wanted an Alien 5 set on the Homeworld to tie it all up. :(

I guess it's AVP or nothing now. Or a remake. *shudders*

AVP means both creatures in only one movie and I think it's great, as both are always great to see in action.

AVP3 in the future seems to be a great idea, maybe this would be the Alien 0 many people want to see, with the "space jockey"... Or a sequel of AR.

Each Alien movie and each Predator movie was made by a different team and felt different. None were identical. That's the way I like the franchise.

AVP3 with the same team would break the rule, but if it's set in space and in the future, it would be a big change compared to the first two, so that would be okay.

AVP created the historical link, the mythology between both creatures.

AVP-R is the movie I was waiting for more than 10 years : aliens on earth in a normal town, present day, Predator 2-like. And with the Predators ! And R !

AVP3 could be the movie linking the present and the future.

Predator, Predator 2, AVP, AVP-R, AVP3, Alien, Aliens, Alien3, AR... AVP4 ?

A 10-episodes franchise. F13-like. With only good to great movies IMO. That would be my dream.

[MrCatalyst]

I think it's very safe to say the coming AVP film will be better then the first one. Although the trailer doesn't hold any sense of 'master work' like the orignal Alien, or artistic integrity of Alien 3, it does however seem to promise great action scenes (and of course gore this time round) and just a damn cool setting (earth) for the aliens and predators to fight it out. I hope the script isn't pop corn fodder, I don't want this film to just be memorable for the fight scenes, I want some narrative drive and half-decent characters! The fact the team behind this film are on the record for saying 'all anderson did with avp was make people hate him even more' means they should pull off something remotely worthy of the two franchises. The trailer just seemed to be about 'this sequel is violent this time!' what with all the gore and fighting, I hope the full film delivers what we deserve. I miss not having a male/female hero on the human side, but I guess in modern cinema they'd probably poorly cast the role and make the film horrible to watch so it's probably best they let the monsters steal the show. Fingers crosssed this is half-decent!

[Scarecrow]

I think after the first AvP this is probably needed to really get the series back on track in terms of the visuals and actions, showing it has balls. But a follow-up to this should really get back to the core of the series with the main characters being well written.


- Scarecrow

[MrCatalyst]

Good point :)

[francesco]

i'm only scared by the box office and the reliese date. come on x-mas??? Think about "the mist" and thanksgiving...4 millions!

[El Diablo]

You can hear the title track from AVP-R on composer Brian Tyler's MySpace page.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=201285834

Wow. The music is epic, far superior to anything heard in the first AVP. It sounds like some hybrid of the Conan score from Basil Poledouris and "Mars" from Gustav Holst.

[Jigsaw]

i'm only scared by the box office and the reliese date. come on x-mas??? Think about "the mist" and thanksgiving...4 millions!


Same here. I really wish at the last minute that Fox would push the release date for this movie to maybe February or March, Christmas is a terrible time to release this. I just hope it makes a decent profit :misery:

[Dave Dunwoody]

Score sounds pretty good. I don't remember a bit of the score from AvP. Considering that the parent franchises boast a couple of the most memorable scores in the genre, I'm glad they're going for a more epic feel this time around.

[Jigsaw]

The score sounds great so far. It has hints of the scores of Aliens, Alien 3 and Predator in one, with it's own unique and dynamic sound.

[Apocalypto]

That score is amazing, I'm very confident that he'll live up to the extremely high bar that Goldsmith set for RAMBO now.

[Rich]

I am listening to the score right now and am enjoying it a lot. I am one of those few people who actually enjoyed the first AVP and am looking foward to this movie because it looks like it will be a hell of a lot better.

I also love the wallpaper on the official website that has both monsters wrapped around the Earth.

If the scene in the store is any indication of how the film is going to be over all then it will be awesome.

It seems to me that the AVP series is following the same pattern as the original Alien series did. The first one was the slower tone, but with enough action and told you most of the mythology while the second one will be the action packed one. I sure hope I'm right.

[Ron]

I saw the trailer for this a few days ago and I must say that I am very excited to see this.

[Rich]

Go to the official website and you can watch the trailer, one scene from the movie, and a question and answer interview with the directors of the movie.

[The New Blood]

I cannot wait to see this movie. It looks like its gonna be way better than the first AVP(which was a huge disapointment IMO).

[Jigsaw]

This movie is looking to be very good and everything the first AVP should've been. I just hope it does decent business at the box office, Christmas is such a bad time to release it :misery:

[Rich]

I wonder why they choose xmas day anyway. Wasn't the first AVP released during the summer?

[Jigsaw]

Indeed it was.

Christmas is a terrible time to release this type of film. They should've held it back until maybe February. Ghost Rider came out in February and did very well at the box office.

[El Diablo]

The TV spots look incredible for this. There's a new one that features a quick glimpse of the Predator homeworld and another one that shows an Alien attacking a soldier from the National Guard. Good stuff.

[Rich]

I wonder what the production budget of this movie is. Does anyone know?

[NW77]

I wonder what the production budget of this movie is. Does anyone know?

Wikipedia said it was $40 millions. Take it for what it worth.

[Jigsaw]

I just saw a spot for this on TV during America's Most Wanted, it's looking great.

[Ron]

this film is supposed to be the apology for AvP

[Jigsaw]

It's looking to be the movie the first AVP should've been.

[French Friday]

this film is supposed to be the apology for AvP

It's supposed to be the sequel of the Origin story AVP was. AVP was the prologue and now it's the main course. AVP3 should be the climax.

Also, according to Scream 2 rules, this is a sequel, so it should be bloodier, stronger, better, faster... Oh, no, sorry, that's the Six Million Dollar Man.

Well, it's the same.

:angel:

[Rich]

I think once the AVP series has a few movies (who knows if it will be a trilogy or a series yet?) I think AVP will be appreciated a lot more. People will begin to put it into the proper context and understand it is an ongoing story. AVP did a good job of providing the history and the hows and whys of the story. Because of that movie we know the story. Now that we know the story (AVP) we can enjoy the action (AVPR).

Am I the only one seeing the same pattern as the original Alien series being repeated here. The original is the introduction giving us most of the mythology while the second one is the thrilling faster paced action film.

[Ron]

I just have this lurking feeling that this sequel is gonna make or break the AvP idea.

[Rich]

I think it is only going to progress it. I simply can not and I mean can not wait for AVPR! I am really looking foward to it.

[Geddy Peart]

This looks like it's going to be what AVP should have been.

[Ron]

Let's hope so...by the looks of the trailer it doesn't look like it will disappoint.

[Jigsaw]

I'll be watching the two stand-alone Predator movies and Aliens and Alien 3 in anticipation for this. I love having these marathons whenever a new installment comes along :D

[Ron]

Apparently you and I are cut from the same cloth because I love doing the same thing.

[Jigsaw]

I did the same for Saw III and IV before they were released theatrically, and I'll be doing it for AVP: R as well.

[Ron]

sounds like I may have to copy your plan...nice avatar by the way;)

[Jigsaw]

Thanks, decided to mix it up a bit.

[The Dream Master]

I'll be watching the two stand-alone Predator movies and Aliens and Alien 3 in anticipation for this. I love having these marathons whenever a new installment comes along :D

Not that I ever need an excuse to watch any of the Alien flicks (excluding AR, of course), but this reminds me that I need to at least watch Aliens before seeing the new AvP.

[Jigsaw]

Sometime next weekend I'll try to watch some of the seperate Alien films and both Predators.

[Cody]

The first 5 minutes are online at Yahoo UK (http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/a/Aliens-Vs-Predator-Requiem/index-3687454.html).

[Jigsaw]

Kick-ass!!!

I was surprised to see the kid get attacked by the Facehugger. Hearing the original music tracks and sound effects from the films (Predator theme and growls, the ticking of the wrist bomb, the Facehugger squeals, etc.) made me smile and the creature effects look awesome so far (not keen on the CGI though). While nothing tops Stan Winston's Predator designs, these new ones are looking great.

Thankfully the wait for this movie won't be much longer. Thanks for posting the clip.

[Ron]

The face-huggers have always been one of my favorite aspects of the Alien films.

[Jigsaw]

Both the Alien and Predator movies have a lot of great things about then. It's hard for me to pick what's my favorite overall.

[El Diablo]

The clip looked impressive, though it seemed a bit too rushed (one of the co-directors of the movie has already mentioned that the footage has been edited so hopefully the pacing will be much smoother). The action looks great and I'm actually pleased to see that we get a glimpse of the Predator world. Wolf's collection of weapons and masks was badass

[Ron]

I have no doubt in my mind that this will be better than that piece of crap that they gave us before.

[CosmoBubba]

I have no doubt in my mind that this will be better than that piece of crap that they gave us before.

The whole movie could feature the Predators and Aliens sitting around for 90 minutes, sipping Earl Grey tea and having philosophical discussions regarding life and love, and it'd still be better than the first movie.

[Rich]

The first five minutes kicks ass! I truely think the movie will too. So, what is all this about a January release date? Was the date pushed back?

As far as Pete and Saw's plan. I'm doing the same. Only, I am going to watch Alien, Aliens, Alien 3, and Predator.

[Geddy Peart]

The whole movie could feature the Predators and Aliens sitting around for 90 minutes, sipping Earl Grey tea and having philosophical discussions regarding life and love, and it'd still be better than the first movie.

http://alienlovespredator.com/

[Rich]

What is people's problem with the first one? I think it was a very good story. So it did not have that much action, it had more action then the original Alien, and that movie is a classic. So, what's the problem? I think the two AVP films are going to compliment each other well, with the first being the story and the second being the action...just like the first two Alien movies.

[French Friday]

I'll be watching the two stand-alone Predator movies and Aliens and Alien 3 in anticipation for this. I love having these marathons whenever a new installment comes along :D

I'm on the complete opposite side.

When a long-awaited sequel arrives on theater, I prefer to watch it with only my memory of the previous movies. To have a fresh mind and, in the case of Aliens and Predators, a real desire to watch the creatures again on the screen (the last time was in 2005 when I watched AVP on DVD, so almost 3 years without any aliens nor predators before my eyes... I'm hungry now and I don't want to eat before dining !).

And it's only when I watch it for the second time (and third and fourth and fifth...) on DVD that I do the marathon before.

[Cody]

I make the run through entire franchises before seeing new sequels theatrically. So I've got 7 Alien/Predator movies to get through before Requiem comes out.

[Darth Sinister]

What is people's problem with the first one? I think it was a very good story. So it did not have that much action, it had more action then the original Alien, and that movie is a classic. So, what's the problem? I think the two AVP films are going to compliment each other well, with the first being the story and the second being the action...just like the first two Alien movies.

The first film was fine, but could've been better. It was missing something that would've made it even better.

[Apocalypto]

I was never much of an Alien fan anyway (referring to the entire series, I think the first two films are rather dull and obscenely overrated), I didn't care for the human characters in AvP aside from Lance, I could've done without the roided up Predators, seeing two Preds go down in one scene to a single Alien was ridiculously stupid...

Scar beheading the Alien that tried to sneak up on him and slashing the chest-burster in half, the new version of the disc slasher weapon, and the flashback to the Preds wiping out ancient Egypt were cool though.

Overall I don't think it's terrible, just not nearly as good as it should've been.

As for what to watch building up to the release...both Predator films and AvP, maybe rent Alien and/or Aliens (which I barely ever watch) on netflix.

[Ron]

The whole movie could feature the Predators and Aliens sitting around for 90 minutes, sipping Earl Grey tea and having philosophical discussions regarding life and love, and it'd still be better than the first movie.

:lmao: friggin' classic!

[NW77]

http://alienlovespredator.com/

Nice!! It pretty sweet. And I like the 5 minutes clip too. :)

What is people's problem with the first one? I think it was a very good story. So it did not have that much action, it had more action then the original Alien, and that movie is a classic. So, what's the problem? I think the two AVP films are going to compliment each other well, with the first being the story and the second being the action...just like the first two Alien movies.

I think the story suck ass, since it was Paul W. Anderson. He is a terrible writer & AvP show it. Also, I thought it was too out of place to have a Predator team up with a human. They don't usually do that. And lack of blood with it being PG-13 was a big no-no for me. :p

[Ron]

I don't hate AvP solely for the fact that it was PG-13, but that did play a huge part in why I do.

[Jigsaw]

AVP is just boring for me, with too few fight scenes with the Aliens and Predators, a stupid backstory for the Predators, the Predators were too few and too weak, most of the human characters sucked, the movie took forever to get going, and the fact that it was drastically toned down from the other films was a big step down too. I actually liked AVP a lot when I saw in the theaters after going in with low expectations, but when I saw it again on cable, it was just plain bad.

[NW77]

Oh. I forgot to mention. I hate the frickin' shaking camera in AvP too. It too shakey that I can't tell what going on. I hope AvP 2 use less of that.

[Joe Strummer]

I saw a commercial for this during survivor tonight and at first I thought it was for Cloverfield, but it ended up AVP and I thought it was the stupidest shit ever. Looks even worse than the first pg-13 crap barrel. It was pretty stupid how they call it AVP-R now. What the fuck is this shit? I wan space marines with big guns and bad attitudes, not stupid joe hollywood humans fighting aliens and predators at a godamn K-mart.

[Ron]

whaaaaaaaaaaaaat??? this is shaping up to be way better than it's predecessor!

[NW77]

whaaaaaaaaaaaaat??? this is shaping up to be way better than it's predecessor!

Yep. The 5 minutes clip & making it hardcore Rated R is proof it will be way better. ;)

[The Dream Master]

My problem with the first AvP isn't the lack of action because it's not like the first Alien film is action-packed. The difference is that the latter has a great, uncontrived story with interesting characters that I care about. I can't say that about AvP.

[Cody]

I liked the build-up in AVP, it's when the action starts that the movie kind of falls apart for me. I just don't think it works or was put together very well.

[El Diablo]

My problem with the first AvP isn't the lack of action because it's not like the first Alien film is action-packed. The difference is that the latter has a great, uncontrived story with interesting characters that I care about. I can't say that about AvP.

Damn straight. I don't think AVP is a terrible film, I actually enjoyed it the first time I saw it, but I know where it falls short and I completely understand why the fans and critics hold it in such contempt. It pales in comparison to the originals. It's a mildly entertaining film that I'd probably put in the same league as Alien Resurrection and Predator 2, which are my least favorite movies from the two series. I also believe that the rating wouldn't have made a difference if the film had a strong story and well developed characters to support itself. It didn't. I'd take a good PG-13 movie over a shitty R rated one any day.

[Rich]

I think the story suck ass, since it was Paul W. Anderson. He is a terrible writer & AvP show it.

I do not agree. I thought the story was a very good one.

Also, I thought it was too out of place to have a Predator team up with a human. They don't usually do that.

The Preds are hunters. They have an honor and respect thing going on. Look at the end of Pred 2 after Glover kills the Pred and the other ones gives him a gun out of respect. That is the same concept that happened in AVP.

And lack of blood with it being PG-13 was a big no-no for me.

Blood does not make or break a story. There was way more creature violence then human violence anyway. You got all the creature blood.

[ChoKo]

The Preds are hunters. They have an honor and respect thing going on. Look at the end of Pred 2 after Glover kills the Pred and the other ones gives him a gun out of respect. That is the same concept that happened in AVP.

No, it's a completely different scenario; The Elder Preds, on the ship, in Predator 2 weren't hunting Glover. (If they were, they would have killed him, obviously.) The Pred that Glover killed was hunting him so, therefore, the Elders showed him respect by giving him the gun. (Which can be considered a trophy, just as the Preds collect trophies from their kills.) The Preds in AVP WERE hunting Lathan and her team (and the Aliens), so the Pred should have killed her, theoretically.

The reasoning behind this is: I don't think that just because she got lucky, killed an Alien, and gave the gun to him is reason enough for the Pred to honor and respect her as a fellow hunter. Lathan's "kill" was more of a defense/reflex action and a fluke, really, rather than an honest to goodness hunt/kill. (The Predators aren't stupid; they can tell the difference between that sort of thing.) Now, if she'd killed one of the Preds, it would have been a different story. That's one of the many reasons I don't like AVP; none of it was set up well at all. IMO, the Predator would have offed Lathan and went on to take care of business.

Of course, this is just my opinion and should only be taken as such.

[The Dream Master]

Damn straight. I don't think AVP is a terrible film, I actually enjoyed it the first time I saw it, but I know where it falls short and I completely understand why the fans and critics hold it in such contempt. It pales in comparison to the originals. It's a mildly entertaining film that I'd probably put in the same league as Alien Resurrection and Predator 2, which are my least favorite movies from the two series. I also believe that the rating wouldn't have made a difference if the film had a strong story and well developed characters to support itself. It didn't. I'd take a good PG-13 movie over a shitty R rated one any day.

Agreed. The PG-13 rating wasn't even a factor in AvP's quality. In respect to the rest of the films in the franchises, I'd say AvP ranks right alongside Alien Resurrection as the worst. I actually like Predator 2 quite a bit (it's not nearly my favorite out of all the films, but it's still way better than AvP).

[Just Jeans]

‘AVP3′Set In Space? (http://www.rabiddoll.com/index.php?p=135)

“Alien Versus Predator 2: Requiem” hasn’t even hit theatres yet and already the Strause brothers are looking to the future – and if recent reports are to be believed, that future will be set in the vast reaches of space.

Although there has been no official word on if a third installment of the popular franchise will be commissioned, directors Colin and Greg Strause confirmed that “AVP 2” will close the gap between the different mythologies while simultaneously setting up a third round of battles in space.

“What we’ve kind of told them is, I think, to us, this is the end of the Earth story,” Colin Strause said, according to SciFi Wire. “The next one has got to be in space. You know, the way we kind of end this it’s like, ‘We’re kind of done here.’”

The first “Alien Versus Predator” film introduced the founders of the cybernetic life forms from the “Alien” movie series and dropped a few hints to the future of humanity, however there were still some fans that felt the conjoined mythos wasn’t quite as slick as expected. But if you’re amongst those fans, don’t worry because the sequel will also fix a few things that were left dangling at the end of the first film.

“Some stuff’s been smoothed over,” Colin continued. “Like, we redesigned the altar that Scar’s body was on to make the ship more Predator-ish. There’s a couple of things. We tried to stay as close as we could, but there’s a few things we had to massage a little bit to kind of make the movie more what we wanted it to be.” He added: “We redo the Scar [chest] burst scene, and then there’s some extra stuff on the ship.”

Originally, the concept of Aliens fighting Predators came from a small twist at the end of the “Predator 2” film when an alien skull was displayed as a trophy in the Predator ship. Since then, the idea sparked off several video games and eventually a movie series in 2004. In this outing, the Alien-Predator hybrid that was seen in the final moments of the first “AVP” film is unleashed on Earth forcing the Predators to send a cleanser from their homeworld to exterminate both races before the infestation can spread.

“Alien Versus Predator: Requiem” hits the screens on Christmas Day.

[Ron]

Yep. The 5 minutes clip & making it hardcore Rated R is proof it will be way better. ;)

I've actually been following the production of this film over time.

[Darth Sinister]

I think the story suck ass, since it was Paul W. Anderson. He is a terrible writer & AvP show it. Also, I thought it was too out of place to have a Predator team up with a human. They don't usually do that. And lack of blood with it being PG-13 was a big no-no for me.

Uh, they did in the early comics. The first film was loosely based on the original mini-series. Namely that a human female named Machiko Naguchi (sp) is the lone human who teams up with a lone Predator to fight the Aliens. Machiko was then allowed to travel and train with the Predators for a time, but left due to a falling out among the Predators.

No, it's a completely different scenario; The Elder Preds, on the ship, in Predator 2 weren't hunting Glover. (If they were, they would have killed him, obviously.) The Pred that Glover killed was hunting him so, therefore, the Elders showed him respect by giving him the gun. (Which can be considered a trophy, just as the Preds collect trophies from their kills.) The Preds in AVP WERE hunting Lathan and her team (and the Aliens), so the Pred should have killed her, theoretically.

Not counting the expanded universe, Harrigan was one of the few humans to defeat a Predator in battle. And unlike with Dutch, Harrigan was aboard the ship. Dutch had been evacuated. Harrigan was given the gun as a trophy as a sign of respect and much like taking the skulls and spines of the prey, it was his prize for a job well done. For proving to be a good fighter and more importantly, a good hunter. Same with Dutch. Same with Batman in the expanded universe.

The reasoning behind this is: I don't think that just because she got lucky, killed an Alien, and gave the gun to him is reason enough for the Pred to honor and respect her as a fellow hunter. Lathan's "kill" was more of a defense/reflex action and a fluke, really, rather than an honest to goodness hunt/kill. (The Predators aren't stupid; they can tell the difference between that sort of thing.) Now, if she'd killed one of the Preds, it would have been a different story. That's one of the many reasons I don't like AVP; none of it was set up well at all. IMO, the Predator would have offed Lathan and went on to take care of business.

She proved to have a warrior's spirit which the Predators look fondly upon. Even despite what she did and how she did it, she was able to hang with one of their own and did not back down. For that, the Elder Predator let her live. The Predators only kill when someone is worthy of the hunt. They do not kill indiscriminately. She had a warrior's spirit, but was not a hunter. Not like Dutch and Harrigan, as well as their teams and enemies. That's why Anna and Vega's girl were spared, when confronted by a Predator. Leona lived because she was pregnant which was against their code. Otherwise she would haved lost her life due to her warrior spirit and hunter like instincts, being a cop.

[ChoKo]

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Nevermind, AVP isn't worth debating over.

[Just Jeans]

In my opinion, the first AVP isn't worth discussing period.

The second film, however, looks like it might actually be decent in spite of its setting. The TV spots have been promising. There's something eerie about seeing a Xenomorph standing up behind someone in the rain through a fogged car door window, or a face hugger attacking someone in a thick forest. It's imagry we've never seen in the context of modern day Earth, and I think my initial reservations may have been set at ease.

Let's just hope the story can hold up to the visuals that I've seen. Also, is it just me, or is there a very Ripley-like woman in this film? I swear I saw a Sigourney Weaver look-a-like in at least one shot.

[ChoKo]

In my opinion, the first AVP isn't worth discussing period.

Indeed. I can't believe I've actually been discussing it, really.

The TV spots have been promising. There's something eerie about seeing a Xenomorph standing up behind someone in the rain through a fogged car door window, or a face hugger attacking someone in a thick forest.

I actually like some of the TV spots better than the actual theatrical trailer, if that makes any sense. :X

[Jigsaw]

To think I actually enjoyed the first AVP when I saw it theatrically :X Seeing it a year later when it aired on HBO, oh my...

[Just Jeans]

If it wasn't for Sam Troughton (grandson of Patrick Troughton) I wouldn't even own the original AVP on DVD.

[Jigsaw]

At some point I think I'll probably buy the original AVP on DVD, just for completion's sake, but I still wonder how on Earth the studio executives thought they were making a good movie back then.

[Just Jeans]

There is something about the TV spot for the film that set my mind to worrying, though: it gives the impression that the Predator attacks some harmless humans. All the plot details I've read for this film suggest that it's about a single Predator that is sent in to clean up the mess caused by an Xenomorph outbreak in a small Colorado town. As such, it seems odd to me that the Predator would be killing humans while he's on Earth. I mean, if he's only meant to be hunting Xenomorphs, why would he go out of the way to slaughter some helpless humans?

[Jigsaw]

Possibly, some of the humans might be impregnated with Chestbursters or maybe tried attacking him, provoking him to retaliate. We'll see and find out come the 25th.

[Just Jeans]

I could understand if the Predator is acting in self defense against hostility, but it's not really clear in the TV spots what's going on. It looks like he's just attacking some surprised people.

[Jigsaw]

It's possible he was confused and acting out of a sense of self-preservation. Remember the train sequence in Predator 2? The Predator there became overwhelmed by the gunfire and killed everyone, not taking any chances.

[El Diablo]

There is something about the TV spot for the film that set my mind to worrying, though: it gives the impression that the Predator attacks some harmless humans. All the plot details I've read for this film suggest that it's about a single Predator that is sent in to clean up the mess caused by an Xenomorph outbreak in a small Colorado town. As such, it seems odd to me that the Predator would be killing humans while he's on Earth. I mean, if he's only meant to be hunting Xenomorphs, why would he go out of the way to slaughter some helpless humans?

He's not on a trophy hunt but he will kill anyone who gets in his way. The tv spots have been digitally edited so that a few characters who are actually aiming weapons at the Predator no longer have their guns raised (the two guys in the department store who get their heads blown off). Also, one human death that was shown in the red band trailer was an accidental kill by the Predator.

[Just Jeans]

The two guys in the department store are the ones that jumped out at me in the TV spot. I was thinking, "Why in the heck did the Predator bump off those poor saps? They're just standing there looking spooked!"

As long as the Predator doesn't actively seek to kill unarmed humans who aren't attempting to splatter his organs across the pavement, then everything is a-okay. :)

[Ron]

The predator is just that...a predator. He should be killing anything and everything in his path. I don't try to decorate his killings with any moralistic value. Killing innocent people is what makes a film scary and dark.

[NW77]

Possibly, some of the humans might be impregnated with Chestbursters or maybe tried attacking him, provoking him to retaliate. We'll see and find out come the 25th.

I have a feeling this is why it happend. I concur with you there.

[El Diablo]

The predator is just that...a predator. He should be killing anything and everything in his path. I don't try to decorate his killings with any moralistic value. Killing innocent people is what makes a film scary and dark.

I don't think there's anyone here who applies "moralistic value" to the Predator. He's a hunter who doesn't kill anyone or anything that isn't considered a challenge to him. There's no sport in that. Those are the rules that have been established since the very first movie and expanded upon in the sequel. He's a killer and his methods are brutal, there's no doubt about that, but his race has a particular set of rules that we haven't seen broken in any of the films before.

[Just Jeans]

The predator is just that...a predator. He should be killing anything and everything in his path.

That's not how they operate.

The Predator race is portrayed as an intelligent culture with a very specific code of ethics. While that code wouldn't be considered morally justifiable on Earth, it doesn't change the fact that there is a method to the madness. None of the Predators we've seen thus far have slaughtered indiscriminately; they target people they consider to be warriors (or people that are openly hostile toward them) and they take them out.

What they do not do is slaughter for the sake of it. This is made clear in Predator 2, in which the Predator observes but otherwise ignores a small child, and later spares the life of prey that is pregnant. In the same sequence, we see the Predator take out a lot of civilians, but they are all armed with weapons, thus marking them as viable prey. And then later, when that Predator is defeated by Harrigan, the elders reward Harrigan with a trophy and allow him to live.

So if the Predator in Requiem has been sent to Earth for the express purpose of hunting down and neutralizing an outbreak of Xenomorphs, there's no reason for him to go out of his way to kill humans, unless those humans are accidental casualties or are openly trying to kill him.

Has anyone here played Predator: Concrete Jungle? I didn't get to play very far into it, but the plot of the game actually revolves around a rogue Predator who goes blood thirsty in the 1930s, kills a gaggle of innocent people, then detonates his spaceship in the middle of a bustling metropolis. As a result, he's stripped of his honor by an elder, and left to fend for himself in a beast infested wasteland sans any of a Predator's standard weaponry.

[Ron]

I'm not saying I want children to be slaughtered, but I also don't wanna see a loving caring Predator movies. I don't want to feel bad or root for either side.

[Just Jeans]

I can't quite see how a Predator not slaughtering someone simply because the person happens to be there makes it a kinder, gentler Predator.

[Kane Lives]

Has anyone here played Predator: Concrete Jungle? I didn't get to play very far into it, but the plot of the game actually revolves around a rogue Predator who goes blood thirsty in the 1930s, kills a gaggle of innocent people, then detonates his spaceship in the middle of a bustling metropolis. As a result, he's stripped of his honor by an elder, and left to fend for himself in a beast infested wasteland sans any of a Predator's standard weaponry.


I rented it back when it came out a couple years back. I think I only made it to the second level where the robots started attacking you in the streets, lol. But, the different ways you could kill your prey were cool. I seem to remember the code of honor being a part of the gameplay also. If you killed too many innocent people during a mission, you would fail.

I remember liking what I played of it. I had mostly forgotten about that game; I should try to find it again.

[Spade]

Has anyone here played Predator: Concrete Jungle? I didn't get to play very far into it, but the plot of the game actually revolves around a rogue Predator who goes blood thirsty in the 1930s, kills a gaggle of innocent people, then detonates his spaceship in the middle of a bustling metropolis. As a result, he's stripped of his honor by an elder, and left to fend for himself in a beast infested wasteland sans any of a Predator's standard weaponry.

I liked it and thought the story was cool.

[Darth Sinister]

The Predators do have a standards clause when it comes to their code. Though expanded universe, in "Batman vs Predator II", the Predators opt for a "hands-off" regarding hunting Batman in the future. One of their own refuses and chooses to engage him. By that same token, two Predators are sent to bring him down. At no time do they attack any human who could be a threat of any sort. So it is not impossible for one Predator to be sent in, with orders to avoid going on a hunt for humans. It is well within their standards.

[Jigsaw]

I've been wanting to play Predator: Concrete Jungle for a long time. I think the Hollywood Video near me might have a copy for rent, I'll check it out.

[Apocalypto]

Just picked up the Alien vs. Predator limited edition gift set with all four Alien films, both Predator films, AvP unrated, and AvP comic, two dueling A and P figures, and two free passes to the AvP:R...

have to watch all of these by December 23rd now. This will be my first time watching the Alien solo films in years.

[Jigsaw]

I think I'll start my Alien/Predator marathon this weekend.

[The New Blood]

Ok, after reading a bunch of spoilers and a very negative review on another site, its sounding like this movie might actually be worse than the first AVP. I'm really surprised. I'll reserve judgment until I see the movie, but I have extremely low expectations at this point. :(

[Jigsaw]

I hope this movie isn't as bad as what you've heard about it :( I have high hopes for it, but I'll be going in with an open mind.

[Kane Lives]

Good Lord, I hope it's not worse than the first AVP, or anywhere close to it. :X

The TV spots have actually been raising my expectations for this film, because it seems to have that aggression and edge that I felt the action in AVP lacked. From what I've seen anyway. I hope it doesn't disappoint.

[Jigsaw]

TNB, do you have the link to the negative review you read for this film?

[The New Blood]

TNB, do you have the link to the negative review you read for this film?

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=11022.30

Scroll down to post # 41. If you look around the site you'll find more, but the rest are ridden with major spoilers.

[Jigsaw]

Thanks for the link, but I have to be registered to look at the board.

[Lance Lives]

I'm getting a little hyped to see this, but I haven't really believed what everybody has been saying about it being so much better than the original and am not surprised to see negative reviews comin' in.

[Apocalypto]

I expected negative reviews, doesn't matter to me...and the trailer footage and clips I've already seen surpass the first AvP movie.

I just finished watching the first Alien for the first time I don't know how long...it does move too slow and it's over-long, but it's pretty scary and better than I remember it being...

still looking forward to seeing him get the shit kicked out of him next week.:)

[El Diablo]

There's a few positive reviews.

http://www.movieweb.com/movies/film/35/4035/review5656.php

http://imdb.com/title/tt0758730/board/thread/92717906?d=92717906&p=1#92717906

[Jigsaw]

Thanks for the links. The movie sounds pretty decent from those two reviews.

[Rich]

It's possible he was confused and acting out of a sense of self-preservation. Remember the train sequence in Predator 2? The Predator there became overwhelmed by the gunfire and killed everyone, not taking any chances.

Not only that, but remember that scene? They all had guns on them. The guy even said, "We don't want any Rambos."

[Apocalypto]

Actually Harragan pointed out that he only killed those on the train that were armed.

[Jigsaw]

IIRC, the Predator in P2 did kill some civilians on the train who were unarmed. He probably got confused and acted out of self-preservation to survive on the train.

[Cody]

And by the time he got to Paxton the guy didn't have anything left but a golf ball.

[Jigsaw]

Well he was shooting at him earlier and Jerry had the machete with him, so he was still technically armed when he was killed.

[Just Jeans]

And by the time he got to Paxton the guy didn't have anything left but a golf ball.

Paxton had been attacking him with a firearm previous to flinging the golf ball, which suggests he would still be a viable target. Just because you throw down your gun doesn't mean you're off the shit list (and in Paxton's case, home dude simply ran out of ammo).

[Jigsaw]

And Jerry had the gang member's machete with him right before he went for the Predator, making him a valid target.

[Just Jeans]

The Predators also seem to consider hand-to-hand combat a valid form of hunting (as seen when one of them strips of its kit to fight with A'nold). So long as Paxton could lift his fists, he was still a threat.

IIRC, the Predator in P2 did kill some civilians on the train who were unarmed.

Everyone on the train was armed. That was part of the sight gag leading up to the slaughter.

[Jigsaw]

What about the woman who he's seen putting his hand over (the screaming one whom we see in his vision mode)? I don't recall her being armed, but with the passengers on the train overwhelmingly packing weapons, I guess it would've been difficult and life-threatening to try to tell apart the armed from the unarmed.

[Just Jeans]

What about the woman who he's seen putting his hand over (the screaming one whom we see in his vision mode)?

I honestly don't know. I'd be lying if I said that I've seen Predator 2 recently, but I seem to recall every single person in that subway car pulling out a gun, knife, or something blunt with which to defend themselves (I thought it was deliberately staged this way by the filmmakers, so as to allow the Predator to have one good massive slaughter sequence without breaking the rules of engagement).

[Jigsaw]

It's been a while since I last watched Predator 2 as well. I'll get around to it this weekend to prepare for AVP: R.

[Scarecrow]

I loved Predator 2, a lot more than the first that suffered from too much macho-Arnie-nonsense. I',m really looking forward to this new film.

- Scarecrow

[Just Jeans]

I loved Predator 2, a lot more than the first that suffered from too much macho-Arnie-nonsense.

I did too.

As a result, I find Roger Ebert's review of the second film to be thoroughly perplexing (he slams the film for being overtly racist against blacks, despite the fact that the film's lead is Danny Glover).

[Apocalypto]

I love it, not as much as the first, but very underrated and better than any Alien film.

[The Dream Master]

I like Predator 2 a lot, but not as much as the original. And as for the two series, neither of the two Predator films is in the same league as the Alien series (excluding Alien Resurrection, of course). Alien and Aliens are two of the greatest science fiction and action films ever made, respectively.

[Apocalypto]

I think Alien and Alien 3 are rather dull and take way too long to get moving, Alien is good when it gets moving though.
Aliens is good, certainly not at the level people make it out to be though.

Either Predator film is infinitely more entertaining than any of the opposing series, the first Predator is better than the entire Alien anthology combined.

[The Dream Master]

That's the thing: I find both Predator movies to be simply entertaining. They're loads of fun to watch, but there's very little substance to them. I feel like the Alien films (the first three anyway) are setting out to do more than that, which is why the first two are absolute masterpieces. I actually think Alien is underrated because it's not only a sci-fi masterpiece, but also one of the best films in any genre.

[Apocalypto]

I think there's a nice theme about keeping your ego in check because there's always a bigger bad-ass than you out there to the Predator films.

I don't really either series is particularly deep though. I think that Predator even has better characters than the Alien films. I liked the Ripley/Newt relationship in Aliens, but other than I find the characterization just ok in those movies.

[The Dream Master]

Characters are a strength in both films, I'd say. With Alien/Aliens you have Ripley, Ash, Dallas, Kane, Parker, Bishop, Newt, Hicks, Hudson, Vasquez, and Apone, all of which are just as interesting as any of the characters in the first Predator for me.

[Apocalypto]

I liked Michael Biehn, other than that I had a tough time getting into the marines though.

[hack slash]

Aliens is the only Alien film that I find entertaining at all, but I really like both Predator's alot. I think the second Predator is better than the first one, Hell the only good things about the Alien series was Weaver, Biehn, Henriksen, and Michael Wincott who got killed WAY to soon in Alien 4

[Just Jeans]

I feel like the Alien films (the first three anyway) are setting out to do more than that...

In what way, Brett?

I adore Aliens/Alien 3, and I enjoy Alien, but I never got the feeling that they were out to be anything more than popcorn films.

[Apocalypto]

I just finished Alien: Resurrection. I don't think it's nearly as bad as people say it is.

It's probably about even with Alien 3 for me.

It has a great cast, and that whole underwater/ladder setpiece is one of the most intense parts of the entire anthology.

"and Michael Wincott who got killed WAY to soon in Alien 4"

Yeah, that bothered me too.

[Dave Dunwoody]

James, I doubt that Alien initially aspired to be anything more than a popcorn flick, but in the hands of Ridley Scott it became a classic horror film. Aliens and Alien³ went for the bar that the first film set, and both reached it IMO. Aliens is one of Cameron's strongest explorations of the family unit (this and T2; dude needs to get back to sci-fi/horror. He could be transforming a superficial and frowned-upon genre instead of making historical pap like Titanic). Under Fincher, Alien³ achieved the feel of an epic tragedy while keeping the film's focus dark and personal.

Even though I didn't much like it, that A:R set out to be nothing more than a popcorn flick doesn't bug me. I don't really think it could've been anything else at that point...plus it transitions us to the world of Predator, a testosterone-dripping popcorn vehicle that was followed up by a largely satirical sequel in which Paxton's Pvt. Hudson has been cloned and dropped on his head. I agree with Dream Master, it's a franchise of zero substance, but a helluva lot of badass...ance. And I love it just as much as the Alien series.

After A:R and P2, we were primed for a cinematic orgasm in the form of AvP - but all we got was a little spurt and a "I swear this never happens" before Paul Anderson sheepishly rolled over and went to sleep. Now, it may be that the makers of AvP:R have brought just as little substance to the table - but as long as they know how to fuck me and fuck me hard I really don't care. I'm not looking for a steady thing.

[Jigsaw]

I like both Predator films better than the Alien series, but I also love Aliens and Alien 3 a lot, too. The original Alien is okay, but a little slow and boring for me. Alien: Resurrection and the original AVP on the other hand...