Rob Zombie's Halloween: Part Deux

[TheShowstoppa]

Thread got a little big. Old Thread: http://www.f13-community.co.uk/board/showthread.php?t=91

So, in the spirit of F13th Forums, CHAT IT UP FUCKERS!

Personally, I will be in line to see this, regardless of the shit that has tainted it (remake, Zombie film, etc.) I enjoyed Devil's Rejects so I'm all for see what this is like. Zombie has improved his directorship a lot since House of a 1000 Corpses.

[hack slash]

Just saw a TV spot that I hadn't seen yet, the one where Loomis tells Brackett that "Death has come to your little town", and the announcer guy said "with a shocking twist you'll never forget" then it shows Michael taking his mask off and Dr. Loomis ,with police cars behind him, saying "I failed you Michael!!"

[Jigsaw]

I just saw the Behind The Mask featurette on Yahoo Movies. The movie looks somewhat interesting, but to me it seems that Rob Zombie basically fused Jason and Leatherface together for this Michael Myers. Seeing Michael in the featurette, it looked more like a fusion of Jason and Leatherface rather than the Myers that we're familiar with :meh:

[hack slash]

5 clips from the movie
http://www.shocktillyoudrop.com/films.php?id=447

[DRE]

5 clips from the movie
http://www.shocktillyoudrop.com/films.php?id=447


I just watched them......

Clip 1: Is he throwing shit at her in the chase scene? I don't know about that one.

Clip 2: The fucker was running?!?! He's a bit too humanized now, where's the phantom-like quality? Nick Castle says "Michael wouldn't do that!"

Clip 3: There's more to it, so I'll wait for the full version on the big screen.

Clip 4: So now, one film too late, he won't stand for no jive talking. I'd rather be bitched out by Big Poppa Ken Foree than Busta Rhymes.

Clip 5: It's interesting. I hope all the classic themes are not distorted like the main theme and shape stalks.

All in all, I'm still excited to see the film and will have an open mind but I'm still not feeling the overuse of the shaky cam, the butchering of classic lines and LeatherJason in the guise of Michael Myers.

[PeterBaker]

I just saw the Behind The Mask featurette on Yahoo Movies. The movie looks somewhat interesting, but to me it seems that Rob Zombie basically fused Jason and Leatherface together for this Michael Myers. Seeing Michael in the featurette, it looked more like a fusion of Jason and Leatherface rather than the Myers that we're familiar with :meh:

Im very excited about this movie. However, I do agree with you on the Jason/Leatherface comment. I once thought Michael was just creepy, and never really hardcore, or up-front. I think Zombie is going to take Michael and make him a badass- which is all good for everyone. Just the next Friday movie, they better have Jason out-do him. :p

[NW77]

Saw the clips myself & I really don't like how some of it is looking. I really wish Zombie wasn't directing it, but I'll give it a chance to see how the whole film turn out. But I'm sure it won't be that good.

[CrystalLakeTheory]

Thread got a little big. Old Thread:
Way to link people to the moderator control panel log-in rather than the previous Halloween thread. ;)

BTW, I will be seeing this the day it comes out. I can't wait.

[The Dream Master]

Fixed that link. Thanks for pointing that out, CLT.

[Deathscythe]

So I just watched the clips, I'm liking Tyler Bates is score.

Also does anyone else get annoyed when Laurie says Oh my god? I don't know why, but it just doesn't seem like something Jamie Lee would say.

[Geddy Peart]

I don't know about anyone else but the line "These were the eyes of...A PSYCHOPATH." has to be some of the worst dialogue I've ever heard.

[The Dream Master]

That line doesn't bother me as much as Scout's delivery of the boogeyman line--something about it sounds off. Otherwise, I like what I've seen from her so far (and who wouldn't?).

[Deathscythe]

I don't know about anyone else but the line "These were the eyes of...A PSYCHOPATH." has to be some of the worst dialogue I've ever heard.

Yeah I'm not liking the dialogue for Dr. Loomis anyway. I seriously doubt Malcoms preformance will be anywhere near Donalds.

[The New Blood]

This movie looks dumb.

[El Rooto]

Doesn't it, though?

[nickmeece]

There's one scene in particular that I am dying to see played out...

The whole "Was that the boogeyman?" scene...where Michael drags Laurie up to the house only for Loomis to have a classic conversation with Michael.

Yes, the damn clip got me excited...

[killingvector]

Wow, Loomis' confrontation with Michael is awkward, if not downright silly looking.

Michael is a brute force in this film. The shape is dead. Bad choice if you ask me.

[CrazyCamper]

Michael is a brute force in this film. The shape is dead. Bad choice if you ask me.

Yup. If I go to the is disaster it will be to picket.

[Jigsaw]

I watched the clips, definitely a mixed bag IMO. The first three clips and the last one show some promise, but the fourth one was embarrassing.

[Autobotsdie]

Just as long as the movie looks promising.

[hack slash]

Michael is a brute force in this film. The shape is dead. Bad choice if you ask me.

I'm sure if Kane Hodder was playing Michael most the bashers here wouldn't be bashing so much, then most of you would be saying it was a good decision

[El Rooto]

Hell, no. I don't want a Michael with any mannerisms like Jason or such.

[The Dark Vampire]

I'm sure if Kane Hodder was playing Michael most the bashers here wouldn't be bashing so much, then most of you would be saying it was a good decision

Actually I disagree if they did that I think people would be going nuts saying they want Micheal to be so much like Jason they even went out and got the same actor.

[nickmeece]

"8 more days 'til Halloween, Halloween, Halloween, 8 more days 'til Halloween; Silver Shamrock!"

[Jack Bauer]

God, how I hate that freaking song.

I'm still torn between this or Death Sentence. I mean RZ's Halloween came out on Halloween then I would go and see but it's not.

[DRE]

I'm sure if Kane Hodder was playing Michael most the bashers here wouldn't be bashing so much, then most of you would be saying it was a good decision

First off, why is it considered bashing because most of us don't like how Myers is being portrayed in story and in character? I just don't like seeing the Jason aspect applied to Michael and vice versa (One of the reasons I dislike Yu/Kirzinger's Jason is that there are too many Michael moments). It makes things worse when the director claims to hate all things Jason and Friday the 13th but then uses elements of that character to "update" Carpenter's creation.

Bashing would be attacking Tyler Mane himself and so far no one has done that.

Secondly, the heat on this version of Myers would be a million times worse if it were Kane Hodder behind that mask!

No one wants Myers and Jason mixed in any other way but basic, two masked special day killers.

Truthfully, most of the displeasure comes from this version being so far from "The Shape" than it is for being too close to Jason.

[DarkPumpkin]

That first clip really bothered me for two distinct reasons:

1) Laurie. Part of what makes the original work so much is because of how likable Laurie is. You know she absolutely will put her life before Tommy and Lindsey. You are rooting for her. Now for the "unique vision" Laurie: I'm instantly turned off to her, especially when she tells Tommy "the boogeyman eats children like you." You can argue that she was joking, but it's still extremely mean spirited.

Speaking of which, Tommy's Halloween costume distracts me because it reminds me too much of Ho1C. Nice nod to yourself, Rob.

2) The very end shot of Michael before the "Halloween" title comes on screen. It looks like he is holding a bat or some other wooden object. Look at that little tap he does with it, and tell me that doesn't smack of Jason to you.

[Undrtkerkane]

I just watched the clips and OMG WHY IS HE RUNNING???????????

Please tell me I am seeing things :mad:

[Jack Bauer]

I thought Myers ran. I mean he did walked faster at certain times in some of the Halloween films.

[Darth Sinister]

Michael Myers only ran once and that was in the reshoots for Halloween 6, which again fans called bullshit back then. Otherwise in every film, Michael has either walked slowly or at a normal pace. He has never outright ran at someone. Jason ran in the second through fourth films, before going into the slow walk save for one quick jog when he grabbed Freddy and slammed him into a window and then down the row of windows.

[Jack Bauer]

Thanks, Darth, for clearing that up.

[hack slash]

In the original Michael came down the stairs pretty quick chasing Laurie and he ran to the car during the escape from the sanitarium

In Friday 8 Jason ran up behind the cop then dragged him very quickly into the alley(sp?)

[Jack Bauer]

I think they (Michael and Jason) do that as a surprise attack to shock you because you don't expect from them.

[The Dream Master]

Just a heads-up: If you purchase the Halloween: 25 Years of Terror Doc or the Divimax versions of Halloween 4 or 5 at Best Buy, you get a free ticket to check this out. Also, all three are on sale for $12.99 apiece.

I bought the doc (which I'd been wanting to pick up anyway) and got a ticket so I don't really feel like I'm supporting this. Is that petty? Maybe.

[Deathscythe]

Sweet, I might buy the Divimax version of H4 now.

Is it certain retailers of all of them?

[The Dream Master]

I think it's Best Buy only, actually. I'll have to amend my earlier post.

[Deathscythe]

Thanks for that, but I'm still too young to see an R rated movie.

Lame teen years. :(

[The Dream Master]

You could always get someone to take you. Yeah, it's not ideal, but it works. My dad actually took me to see Wes Craven's New Nightmare when I was ten.

[Deathscythe]

My family hate Halloween (well, horror in general) through. Its alright, I'll just wait and rent it on DVD.

[Uncle Hugo]

Honestly, I don't know if I can watch this one, as much as I love Rob Zombie's work and as much as I love Halloween, I'm simply hurt seeing this happen.

[Jigsaw]

Honestly, I don't know if I can watch this one, as much as I love Rob Zombie's work and as much as I love Halloween, I'm simply hurt seeing this happen.


I'm with you there. I still feel this movie is unncessary and unneeded, even with all of the continuity problems the series has. IMO a half-sequel half-prequel set in-between the events of Curse and H20 that tied in both continuities would've been much better, and then a sequel to end the series for good.

This movie looks like it might be decent, but that being said, I still feel a remake is unnecessary.

[hack slash]

Another reason to see this movie is because Rush(Racist, Druggie) Limbaugh hated it and said it was liberal propoganda:side:

[Autobotsdie]

Its the same thing with Friday the 13th. They make a movie but it doesn't open on Friday the 13th. I'm sure a couple of them have but not all of them.

[sCabbOy]

Everything is Liberal propaganda to Rush, that asswipe is nothing but a loathesome piece of dung. Every word his narcotic-ridden mouth excretes is Conservative (as he claims to be) propaganda.

At any rate, a Halloween movie doesn't have to open on Halloween as a F13th doesn't have to be on F13th... That part of the move I could care less. Just release them.

[Jigsaw]

Another reason to see this movie is because Rush(Racist, Druggie) Limbaugh hated it and said it was liberal propoganda:side:


What the Hell? How fucking stupid can someone be? That man is the biggest dickhead alive.

Back on-topic, as much as I wish this movie wasn't made, it might turn out decent. I'll probably catch it in the theaters, maybe the week after it's release (I'll catch Death Sentence on opening day).

[Deathscythe]

Its the same thing with Friday the 13th. They make a movie but it doesn't open on Friday the 13th. I'm sure a couple of them have but not all of them.

Wasn't The Final Chapter released on a Friday the 13th?

[Autobotsdie]

Thats what I said. A couple of the were probably released on Friday the 13th but not all of them.

[Jigsaw]

Friday 3, TFC, TNB and JGTH are the only F13s to have been released on the actual date thus far.

[hack slash]

new Reviews should start coming in soon the world premiere was last night

[Just Jeans]

I'm sure if Kane Hodder was playing Michael most the bashers here wouldn't be bashing so much, then most of you would be saying it was a good decision

Don't presume to know what others would or wouldn't say.

Personally, I'd be just as uncomfortable with Kane Hodder playing Michael as I am with Tyler Mane. Big is big, no matter what the person's name is, and I prefer a Michael who is a regular sized guy.

[Erik]

Don't presume to know what others would or wouldn't say.

Personally, I'd be just as uncomfortable with Kane Hodder playing Michael as I am with Tyler Mane. Big is big, no matter what the person's name is, and I prefer a Michael who is a regular sized guy.

I so totally agree. Making him a big dude is kind of a cop-out. It demystifies him. There's something really eerie and cool about a normal sized guy that is able to show the occasional amazing feat. It goes along with the whole "pure evil thing." You make him a big dude, and then that's exactly what he is. He's just a really big guy.

Plus, you throw the whole Shape thing out the window, and that's most important when you're talking about Michael Myers.

[Jigsaw]

I agree with the both of you. Even with this being a remake, it's just hard to picture Michael being so big and being so much like Jason and Leatherface :meh:

[sCabbOy]

Michael is bigger than Jason ever was in this, and far bigger than Leatherface.

[The Dark Vampire]

I have a bad feeling that if/when they do make a new Friday movie (remake or sequel) they will now feel they have to get someone even bigger than Tyler (Micheal) to play Jason

[sCabbOy]

Too bad Matthew McGrory passed away...

[DRE]

The Big Show! Kane! Undertaker! Kevin Nash!

[The Dark Vampire]

The Great Kaili--Giant Gonzales--Giant Silva

[Deathscythe]

The Great Kaili--Giant Gonzales--Giant Silva

Oh god, please don't let them be Jason.

[hack slash]

The Great Kaili--Giant Gonzales--Giant Silva

well, he wouldn't be running that's for sure:D...LOL

[nickmeece]

I like the idea of big movie killers...make's them more iconic, IMO. He's not just Michael Myers, he's MICHAEL MYERS.

[Erik]

But he's supposed to be THE SHAPE.

[Autobotsdie]

The Great Kaili--Giant Gonzales--Giant Silva

Giant Gonzales is confined to a wheel chair so that knocks him out. The Great Kaili would be to huge to play Michael. Kane or the Undertaker would be about the right size. I would think one of them could use a litlle of there wrestling skills when confronting someone like a chokeslam or something like that. Can ya'll imagine the Undertaker dressed as Michael using the old school manuver on someone?

[The Dark Vampire]

Giant Gonzales is confined to a wheel chair so that knocks him out. The Great Kaili would be to huge to play Michael. Kane or the Undertaker would be about the right size. I would think one of them could use a litlle of there wrestling skills when confronting someone like a chokeslam or something like that. Can ya'll imagine the Undertaker dressed as Michael using the old school manuver on someone?

I know I meant for Jason I was joking that now Tyler's version of Micheal is bigger then Jason when they make a new Friday movie they will have to find someone bigger than Tyler to play Jason.

Seriously though I do have a bad feeling they will try to find someone bigger than Tyler to play Jason now

[Autobotsdie]

It seems every horror movie tries to out do each other.

[Killa Pimp]

To bring up an old Rob Zombie ism. To Paraphrase : "Halloween was not just about teens partying, having sex and dying. "

I watched the original last night on FUSE for like the hundredth time.

Spoilers for anyone that maybe has not seen the original.

Annie get strangled and stabbed in her car going to pick up her boyfriend after dumping the kid she was babysitting with Laurie so she could party with other friends who she had promised a bedroom to. If she had promised a bedroom to her friends, what was her and her boyfriend going to do, play Charades??:meh:

Lynda and Bob get killed right after having sex

Is this guy so up on himself that he doesn't realize that Halloween basically started the whole teens partying, having sex and getting killed off craze!

In the new movie, are they having bible study and Michael shows up???
His disgust of the Friday films just irks me... he needs to have a better argument than that to bash another series. The original Halloween makes his whole statement illogical.

[Merf]

But he's supposed to be THE SHAPE.

I'm pretty certain if you made a passing mention of "The Shape" to someone other than a die-hard Halloween fan, they'd have no clue whatsoever as to what you were speaking of.

On the other hand, if you mention the name "Michael Myers" to most anyone, nine times out of ten the first thought to go through their mind will be of the Halloween series.

However, the occasional odd-man-out will think of Austin Powers.

Those people are stupid.

[sCabbOy]

If you mention "Bubba" or "Junior" to anyone other than a TCM fan they wouldn't know you were talking about LEatherface... oh well.

[nickmeece]

To bring up an old Rob Zombie ism. To Paraphrase : "Halloween was not just about teens partying, having sex and dying. "

I watched the original last night on FUSE for like the hundredth time.

Spoilers for anyone that maybe has not seen the original.

Annie get strangled and stabbed in her car going to pick up her boyfriend after dumping the kid she was babysitting with Laurie so she could party with other friends who she had promised a bedroom to. If she had promised a bedroom to her friends, what was her and her boyfriend going to do, play Charades??:meh:

Lynda and Bob get killed right after having sex

Is this guy so up on himself that he doesn't realize that Halloween basically started the whole teens partying, having sex and getting killed off craze!

In the new movie, are they having bible study and Michael shows up???
His disgust of the Friday films just irks me... he needs to have a better argument than that to bash another series. The original Halloween makes his whole statement illogical.

I think in Zombie's mind, the story was never about Michael, Laurie, and the girls, but more about Michael and Loomis and him failing to connect with Michael in Smith's Grove.

But I, however, feel it was about Laurie the entire time...and how Michael actually connected with her. I mean they're basically the same person...quiet loners who rely on their independence and self worth. I think that's what attracted Michael to Laurie in H1. He saw this 17-year-old girl who resembled a feminine version of himself...and I believe he was in awe.

Michael's a watcher. Who knows how long he spent watching Judith before he made his move. It's odd to think that perhaps at breakfast that morning, Michael was sitting right across from her at the table, staring coldly at her as she ate...knowing that tonight, he was going to kill her.

I think Michael liked Laurie...he played with her. If he wanted to kill her, he could have. He didn't have to hide behind a couch or a bush. I don't he "wanted" to kill her until she hurt him...by refusing him. Much like Judith probably did, not in the same way...but he never had that brother-sister connection.

Okay, I'm rambling on...bye.

[NW77]

Don't presume to know what others would or wouldn't say.

Personally, I'd be just as uncomfortable with Kane Hodder playing Michael as I am with Tyler Mane. Big is big, no matter what the person's name is, and I prefer a Michael who is a regular sized guy.

Same here. That why I didn't like Kane's size as Jason. Seeing as Jason was suppose to be undead & undead don't get big, since they rot away. Including muscles mass too. That why I prefer both Jason & Michael as normal size, wheter dead or undead.

[Jigsaw]

Kane's body type in The New Blood was fine but in JTM through JX he was much too bulky IMO. C.J. Graham's body type was better, slim but with just enough muscle to it. Michael Myers always being skinny worked for the character, and making him so huge will hurt him IMO.

[CharlieBrummel]

Pics from the premiere (ttp://www.shocktillyoudrop.com/news/topnews.php?id=1164)

[Jigsaw]

Fixed link (http://www.shocktillyoudrop.com/news/topnews.php?id=1164)

[undrtkr]

Thanks for that, but I'm still too young to see an R rated movie.

Lame teen years. :(

What the heck? Your letting something as stupid as age stop you? Buy a ticket to a movie you can get into then waltz into the R rated movie. If it's one of those big cineplex's NOBODY is going to notice or care.

[The Tall Man]

Jigsaw, Kane as Jason is FAR more slender in Friday 8 than he is in Friday 7.

T.M.

[Jigsaw]

To me, Kane looked more bulky in JTM. In TNB he looked quite muscular but still slim. In JTM he looked like he gained weight.

[Deathscythe]

Yeah Jason seemed skinner in The New Blood. Maybe it was just the makeup/costume.

[El Rooto]

Those ribs being shown off tricked you.

[Jigsaw]

I don't it was the costume, the costume wouldn't have affected Kane's bulk. He's clearly bulkier in JTM-JX compared to what he looked like in TNB.

[karloff]

Sort of Halloween related. Today I recieved by mail an autograph from Scout-Taylor Compton.

On her MySpace page she said oif anyone wants an autograph send a message. It was totally cool getting that today.

[Just Jeans]

I'm gonna do what any good geek would and ask for her autograph. :shifty: Hey, karloff, you got a link to her MySpace page? I'm on my way out the door and don't have time to look it up.

[The Tall Man]

He's clearly bulkier in JTM-JX compared to what he looked like in TNB.
I'm not seeing it. He clearly looks taller and thinner to me in 8 than the other 3.

T.M.

[Rick]

I never really noticed a size difference from 7 to 8. It's JGTH and JX where I see it. of course those could just be the FX. He was wearing a full body suit in JGTH and maybe it was thicker than the one he wore in TNB, I don't know, but he sure looked bigger.
In JX he wears the remnants of the straight-jacket for part of the movie and it hides his shape. The Uber outfit was big and bulky too.

[NW77]

Cool premire pics.

Mosley look funny with the chin goatee. He is trying to play Lincoln yet? ;)

Mickey Dolenz's face look so small & weird.

And Scout's dress? Yow!! I love her dress & she look hot. :o :drool:

[The Dream Master]

And Scout's dress? Yow!! I love her dress & she look hot. :o :drool:

Quoted for truth.

I know I've said I'm not too keen on this remake idea, but I caved like a motherfucker today when I saw the new Michael figure at the mall. I'm a bit obsessive when it comes to my figure collection and I felt like I had to have it. Overall, it's a pretty nice figure, and I like the look for Myers in the film (besides the fact that he's about 8 feet tall).

[Deathscythe]

Danielle Harris looks great too! She is of course my main reason of watching this movie.:D

[The Dream Master]

Hey, say what you want about Rob and this remake, but he's at least given us some nice ladies to look at, if anything.

[hack slash]

opening on 3,300 screens the most ever for a Halloween movie

[El Rooto]

The workprint has leaked.

[Deathscythe]

New interview with Rob Zombie. (http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/celebwatch/celebwatch.htm)

[sCabbOy]

The workprint has leaked.

Sweet. I'm gonna hunt it down.... but not watch it until AFTER I see H07

[Deathscythe]

Sweet. I'm gonna hunt it down.... but not watch it until AFTER I see H07

So your not gonna watch the movie until you've seen the movie?:confused:

[sCabbOy]

Nah, I won't watch the workprint until after... to compare them. I collect workprints. That's why I want it... I found it though and am DLing it.

[Autobotsdie]

You know there will be people who will flood the theaters when this comes out this Friday just to see if its any better than the orginal.

[Deathscythe]

Edit: Delete this please.

[El Rooto]

Variety's review is in.

The best that can be said about Rob Zombie's "Halloween" remake is that he makes it his own, though the considerable alterations only flatter John Carpenter's 1978 slasher-pic template. In contrast to that spare, suggestive genre classic, this bloodier, higher-body-count version leaves nothing to the imagination: Michael Myers is always right there in plain sight, committing mayhem sans suspenseful buildup or mystique. Brand recognition should initially help combat a recent downturn in horror B.O., but pic might as well cash in its DVD chips by the time actual All Hallow's Eve comes around.

The original leaned not so much on graphic horror as on the terrible waiting for something bad to happen. Carpenter's hypnotically fraught atmosphere let one suspend disbelief toward the unstoppable-killing-machine nature of "the Shape," less man than supernatural force.

Here, however, literal-mindedness rules. The brief, eerie 1978 version prologue, which left 10-year-old Michael's homicidal motivations disturbingly blank, is now a half-hour-plus wallow in the kind of dysfunctional white-trash family theatrics Zombie seemed to be at least partly parodying in "House of 1000 Corpses" and "The Devil's Rejects."

Little Michael (Daeg Faerch) lives in the one dump on an otherwise pleasant small-town Illinois lane. A scraggly-haired, plump-faced junior headbanger, he gets nothing but abuse from trampy big sis (Hanna Hall) and their leering, drunken stepdad (William Forsythe).

Mom (the lovely Sheri Moon-Zombie, the helmer's wife) is nice, but she's also a stripper, providing another reason for school bullies to torment Michael. When it's discovered Michael's been torturing and killing animals, the kid decides to go for broke, taking down enemies at home and elsewhere on Halloween. (He spares ma and a baby sis.)

Michael is sent to a maximum-security sanitarium under the care of child psychologist Dr. Loomis (Malcolm McDowell). But Michael doesn't make progress -- or even acknowledge his crimes.

Fifteen years later -- during which period Michael hasn't spoken a word -- the authorities are dumb enough to try moving him on Halloween, just after Dr. Loomis says their relationship is over.

Natch, the perp escapes, leaving the halls strewn with dead hospital staffers. After a gratuitous interlude at a truck wash, he heads straight back to the family home, now a shuttered ruin. He somehow figures out in no time that baby sis Laurie (Scout Taylor-Compton) has been adopted, then sets to stalking, then killing her best high school friends Annie (Danielle Harris) and Lynda (Kristina Klebe), their boyfriends and anybody else nearby. Meanwhile, Loomis and Sheriff Brackett (Brad Dourif) search for the fugitive.

Beyond predictably ramped-up violence, T&A and editorial testosterone, what scenarist-helmer Zombie brings to the revamped tale is a penchant for pointlessly crass "Jerry Springer Uncensored!"-type dialogue (even after the lowlife prologue, most characters talk like drunken sailors), high energy but few real scares, and a disinterest in character and credibility.

Virtually every non-teen in the supporting cast will ring a horror-fan recognition bell, though many make blink-and-you'll-miss-'em appearances. Actual adult parts, however, range from naturalistic (Moon-Zombie, Danny Trejo as a sympathetic guard) to broad caricature to blandly undemanding of usually colorful thesps.

Donald Pleasance was stuck with all the worst lines in the original; his successor, McDowell, has it even worse. Where the 1978 juveniles had real personality, here they're barely distinguishable from each other: Taylor-Compton sure can scream; Klebe is the regulatory blonde slut; Harris is, er, the one with dark hair.

Despite variations on scenes from Carpenter's film (as well as heavy use of his creepy music theme in Tyler Bates' score), it's all sound and fury with little kick. The literal-mindedness not only demystifies the destructive force, it leaves one questioning logic that didn't matter before (like, how did he get so massively strong sitting 15 years in a padded cell?).

End result is a hectic, professionally assembled pic that just about cancels itself out on every level by the end. Surely this is not the end of Michael Myers -- but let's hope the franchise picks up next where it left off last time, rather than sequelizing this lame new "beginning."

[Jack Bauer]

Donald Pleasance was stuck with all the worst lines in the original; his successor, McDowell, has it even worse. Where the 1978 juveniles had real personality, here they're barely distinguishable from each other: Taylor-Compton sure can scream; Klebe is the regulatory blonde slut; Harris is, er, the one with dark hair.
Was it just me or did Donald really make those "worst lines" came alive in the original?

[The Dream Master]

If you ask me, Loomis's lines in the original are among some of the best composed for the horror genre. Add in Pleasance's dead-on performance and delivery of said lines, and you pretty much have perfection.

I'm sure his presence will be sorely missed in the re-make, even if McDowell is a very good actor.

[Jack Bauer]

True, Dream Master, I mean Donald really made those line come alive.

[The Dream Master]

Oh yeah, you're definately right about that, JB. I just don't understand how a reviewer can think Loomis's lines were bad at all in the original film. Oh well, opinions are opinions.

[Jack Bauer]

Take a line like 'Death has come to your little town, Sheriff.' it might sound bad but Donald made it come alive and you believed it when he said to Brackett.

[Jigsaw]

From the sound of that review a lot of the stuff from the early draft of the script is in the film after all :|

[The Tall Man]

Was it just me or did Donald really make those "worst lines" came alive in the original?
That's how awesome Pleasance was.

If you ask me, Loomis's lines in the original are among some of the best composed for the horror genre.
He and Myers are why I watch Halloween. When they're not onscreen and it's just Laurie and her dumbass pals, I fall asleep.

I just don't understand how a reviewer can think Loomis's lines were bad at all in the original film.
Pleasance thought that too, amazingly enough. He thought it was all "too melodramatic" and the only reason he even did the movie was because his daighter Angela told him to.

'Course he changed his tune once people embraced the movie.

T.M.

[The Dream Master]

Yeah, I've seen Pleasance say that before (on the 25 Years of Terror doc, maybe?). I still think the lines are great, but it could just be that Pleasance made them that awesome.

[Erik]

Here's my review that I posted on another forum:

So, I watched the work print for Zombie's Halloween today. It's dated May of this year, so it's before all of the reshoots and it has a (at least somewhat) temp score. The version released this Friday is going to have a lot more scenes, a new ending, a finished score, and hopefully, better editing.

The pros:

Danielle Harris. I've had a crush on her since I first saw her in Halloween 4 when I was but a mere tyke. I got to see her boobies this time. It was satisfying.
Ken Foree. I love him. Just a cameo, but I'd watch this guy painting a house for two and a half hours if someone filmed it.

That's about does it for the pros.

The cons:

Young Michael Myers. Quite possibly the absolute worst child actor I have ever had the misfortune of seeing in any sort of visual medium.
Old Michael Myers. Can someone remind me why he's seven feet tall? There's precious little stalking and all too much physicality. No finesse or gracefulness. This is not The Shape that I know and love. This is a professional wrestler running around with a butcher knife.
Malcolm McDowell. He's about as convincing as Loomis as DRT is at being a badass. Doesn't help that he's written terribly. A castrated version of the original character.
The cinematography. Absolutely pedestrian. If you're trying to remake a movie with some of the most beautiful and articulate cinematography of all time, you probably shouldn't get a spastic 12 year old to film your movie. Then again, you can't really top Dean Cundey's work no matter how good you are.
The soundtrack. Young Michael sits on the curb sulking while "Love Hurts" plays. 'Nuff ****ing said.
The editing. The pacing is dreadful. One of the most uneven and disjointed movies I've ever seen. Hopefully this is purely due to this being an early work print and the final movie will be tightened up a lot.
The atmosphere. The original Halloween was a very taught, suspenseful, tension filled thriller. This is your average, run of the mill, body-count is all that matters slasher film. That pompous ass Zombie goes on and on about how he hates movies like Friday the 13th, where people are just waiting around to get killed, well, good job jackass, that's exactly what you made!
Zombie's need to 'white-trash it up' so to speak. This is ****ing Illinois, not Alabama.
Laurie. Is she supposed to be our protagonist? I didn't even notice.
The score. Don't **** with something if it ain't broken. I despise Tyler Bates' "reimaginings" of John Carpenter's pitch perfect themes.
I'm sure there's ore that has slipped my mind, but I think I got my point across well enough. I don't like this movie. I'm sure the final film is at least somewhat better than what I watched, but I doubt it's by much. See Death Sentence instead of this.

[Jigsaw]

From your review it sounds like a lot of our worst fears have been confirmed.

[Erik]

Pretty much, yeah. Of course, some of you might like it more than me. I've got a very extreme opinion and can be kind of harsh, but I think the major worries that we've had all throughout the production are still prevalent in the movie.

[Jigsaw]

Sounds like another remake that shouldn't have happened :X

[Deathscythe]

My sister said she'll take me on Friday if she isn't busy, thanks for the advice The Dream Master.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

From your review it sounds like a lot of our worst fears have been confirmed.

I really hate judging films before i've even seen them, but I honestly felt that way for a LONG time. :(

[Jigsaw]

Same here :( I liked both HO1KC and TDR, but with this movie it sounds like Rob Zombie butchered one of the best Horror films of all-time.

[Deathscythe]

Same way I feel, but I still wanna see it and judge for myself.

[Sketch Sanchez]

End result is a hectic, professionally assembled pic that just about cancels itself out on every level by the end. Surely this is not the end of Michael Myers -- but let's hope the franchise picks up next where it left off last time, rather than sequelizing this lame new "beginning."

Holy cow, did they just say what I think they said (Not only is H8 a better film but they should continue from there)?

Wow, thats harsh.

[Kane Lives]

Sounds like another remake that shouldn't have happened :X


Agreed.

I was debating on backing out of my vow not to see it, but now that I've heard a little more detail, I'm leaning back toward waiting for the DVD. I'll probably wait until a lot of fans see it and read their reviews before I ultimately decide to go or not.

But, I don't like what I hear as far as the style of the film. :(

[Jigsaw]

Agreed.

I was debating on backing out of my vow not to see it, but now that I've heard a little more detail, I'm leaning back toward waiting for the DVD. I'll probably wait until a lot of fans see it and read their reviews before I ultimately decide to go or not.

But, I don't like what I hear as far as the style of the film. :(


I'm the same way. I think I'll wait for the reviews.

[The Dream Master]

Holy cow, did they just say what I think they said (Not only is H8 a better film but they should continue from there)?

Wow, thats harsh.

:eek:

If that's true, then God help us all. This can't be that bad.

[Autobotsdie]

Pleasence could sell anything in Halloween and make it stick.

[karloff]

I'm gonna do what any good geek would and ask for her autograph. :shifty: Hey, karloff, you got a link to her MySpace page? I'm on my way out the door and don't have time to look it up.

Sorry haven't been around in a couple of days. Here's the link

http://www.myspace.com/scoutforhalloween

[sCabbOy]

So, I DLed the workprint (as I stated) and watched 15-20 minutes of it here and there. I could not help myself... I wish I did not because I now have no desire to see it in a theater. The movie reminded me of "See No Evil" with Kane.

[hack slash]

A positive review from AICN
First of all, the movie. Rob Zombie, yet again, has created another horror film that pays constant homage to the original film while still making it his own. Before I continue, I have to get this out of the way: Halloween is not as "great a film" as The Devil's Rejects; nor is it as "fun" as House of 1000 Corpses. With that said and done, Halloween is probably the greatest "slasher" movie ever made and without a doubt the best horror remake ever.

Rob Zombie has really matured through his brief filmmaker career and Halloween only continues that. Zombie is able to lose some of the over-the-top ridiculous dialogue to bring more natural comedic lines to the screen. He also decides to just stick (mostly) to one film stock and one "look" for the entire movie. None of the Oliver Stone-like cuts with 6 film types like Zombie used in Corpses. Just like Rejects, Halloween features solid performances throughout by all the main stars, including young Daeg Faerch (young Michael Myers), Sherri Moon Zombie (as always), Scout Taylor-Compton (playing Laurie Strode) and of course Malcolm McDowell (Dr. Loomis). While I enjoyed all the frequent cameos by Zombie regulars, they did start to get a little "kitschy" after awhile, but that just might have been because I recognized them all.

Okay, it's time to talk about Michael. Here's the thing, I've seen a lot of horror movies in my young life, but I have never seen a "monster" come to life in the way that Michael Myers does in this movie. The only way I can describe him is that Rob Zombie gives a two-dimension onscreen object real "weight" through incredible camera work and some of the best sound effects I've ever heard. Zombie keeps Michael Myers (and the entire movie) grounded very solidly in reality without taking away the size, strength and presence of the main character.

This probably goes without saying, but Halloween definitely squeezed by with an 'R' rating and is not for women who are pregnant or nursing, those with high blood plessure or the faint of heart. The kills might not be the most creative murders in the Shatner-masked killer's film history, but I guarantee that they are the most brutal.

Like I mentioned, I don't consider Halloween to be quite the movie that Rejects is, but I'm completely fine with that. Zombie's remake is funny, intense and really, at times, quite scary, which seems to be a rare commodity in horror films these days. He's remade a classic without either ripping off or abandoning the source material, yet still managed to stay honest to the original while making it his own.

[sCabbOy]

That's the problem... Michael comes off in the movie as a monster/creature and I HATE that. He didn't seem to even be human....

[Melanie Jarvis]

I'm going to go see it because I have faith that Rob Zombie at least made it decently. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. It can't be as bad as the Black Christmas remake.

[sCabbOy]

I haven't seen a movie in a LONG time as bad... or should I say as boring and non-eventful as the BC remake.

[jayTL]

Ill see it on Saturday.

[hack slash]

a bad review for a horror film???? WTF isn't that like saying water is wet

I don't care for reviews for horror films, if I did I would hate the ENTIRE F13the series. I will be seeing this on SAT. then I'll watch the work print on SUN.
and at it's worst I have faith that it'll be better than Hostel, Either Jeepers Creepers movie, and MUCH better than Land of the BORING..I mean dead

[Just Jeans]

The Variety review pretty much touched on all the issues I had with the early draft script. :misery: Oh well, I'll still be seeing it in theaters, and if nothing else I expect to be entertained by the gore.

Incidentally, has there been any word on the release of a soundtrack CD for the film?
ADDED:
Pleasance thought that too, amazingly enough. He thought it was all "too melodramatic"...

The lines are melodramatic. 100%. But in the hands of Pleasance, they work beautifully. Besides, melodramatic isn't always tantamount to bad.

[Cody]

Incidentally, has there been any word on the release of a soundtrack CD for the film?

The soundtrack (http://www.amazon.com/Halloween-Original-Soundtrack/dp/B000SUKPTI/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-8357534-3326553?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1188335034&sr=1-1), the only thing about the movie I'm interested in spending money on at this point, came out last week. The songs, that is. If it's Tyler Bates' score you meant, only two tracks of that are included.

[nickmeece]

That OST was pretty cool...some of the dialogue clips were pretty corny, but eh, oh well. I don't know when the 2nd soundtrack CD will be out...the one with just the Halloween '07 theme...

[Deathscythe]

On that soundtrack:

6. Love Hurts - Nazareth

WTF?

[The Dark Vampire]

On that soundtrack:

6. Love Hurts - Nazareth

WTF?

I'd buy the CD just for that :D

[Erik]

On that soundtrack:

6. Love Hurts - Nazareth

WTF?

In the movie, after Judith refuses to take Michael out trick or treating, Michael sits outside on the curb, sulking while the song plays. This is all intercut with Sheri Moon poll dancing. Needless to say, it's rather bizarre. I don't know if Zombie was serious when he put that song in there or if he was trying to do some ironic comedy thing. Either way, it's just plain bad.

[Deathscythe]

In the movie, after Judith refuses to take Michael out trick or treating, Michael sits outside on the curb, sulking while the song plays. This is all intercut with Sheri Moon poll dancing. Needless to say, it's rather bizarre. I don't know if Zombie was serious when he put that song in there or if he was trying to do some ironic comedy thing. Either way, it's just plain bad.

...

Wow, I'm speechless....

[Jigsaw]

In the movie, after Judith refuses to take Michael out trick or treating, Michael sits outside on the curb, sulking while the song plays. This is all intercut with Sheri Moon poll dancing. Needless to say, it's rather bizarre. I don't know if Zombie was serious when he put that song in there or if he was trying to do some ironic comedy thing. Either way, it's just plain bad.


Sounds fucking terrible :X

[The Dark Vampire]

Oh come on stop it
You know very well if you wanted to go trick or treating and you were told no you would slap that straight on the CD/MP3 player

[sCabbOy]

Yeah, I'd always listen to that song when I didn't get the treats I wanted.

[CosmoBubba]

I wouldn' be surprised if "Love Hurts" was just some temp score that Rob Zombie decided to leave in as a goof.

[Erik]

I don't know. I'd like to think so, but it mentions the song being used in the review of the movie that Latino Review has up too.

[Jigsaw]

What strikes me is that Rob claims to hate slasher movies but it sounds like that's exactly what he made with this movie. He totally doesn't walk his talk. He's even said that things like action figures cheapen Michael's character. Well Rob, there's an action figure of Michael as he appears in your movie and masks, what do you have to say about that?

[Sketch Sanchez]

So one review says one thing, then another says the complete opposite.

God damn I hate shit like that. At least with pro reviews anyway, its as if they actually saw two different movies, one says the white trash dialogue is in abundance, the other says he loses it.

I have no point, actually. Ha.

[101ant101]

didn't know where to post this....


but anyway what are they trying to do to this girl. to me it looks like there trying to make her the scream queen;)

[BlakeTyner]

I hate to say it, but the overall success or failure of this movie (and, probably, future remakes and/or future films in the classic horror/slasher vain - as distinct from torture flicks like Hostel) rests squarely on the shoulders of kids 18-25 or so, who likely aren't going to be interested in reviews in the classic sense. Once the first group of see-all-movies-released teens comes back to school with a yea or nay vote, I think that'll determine the outcome.

I'm split. I'll more than likely be seeing it in theaters, just because it has my interest in an era when very, very few films do. I think in the past year I've seen all of 3 films in theaters (and cost isn't an issue - our first-run theater has $3 tickets for all seats) due to a complete lack of interest. I'm not a really big fan of Zombie, though, and I certainly don't want people to somehow think a remake is better than the Halloween I know and love.

With Re-Dawn, I think Snyder had respect for Romero's original work, and although he deviated from it, he didn't go around talking shit the way Zombie seems to have done. Besides that, Re-Dawn was a pretty damn good film in its own right.

I would like the flick to do well, though, because I'd like to see more horror. I'd even be willing to entertain a Friday the 13th remake. I know a lot of you guys are sick of the horror flick remake thing of late, and I understand that, but at this point I'm willing to go see them if just to get away from the late-90's I Still/Will Always/Really Really Still Know... dreck.

~Blake

[Deathscythe]

Well you could have posted this in the Halloween remake thread.

But whatever, I think I'll wait til I see the movie to see what I think of her.

[101ant101]

haven't you seen her in Wicked Little Things?

[The Dream Master]

but anyway what are they trying to do to this girl. to me it looks like there trying to make her the scream queen

I will say this now, without having seen RZ's Halloween yet: She's hot.

:)

[101ant101]

really i dont think shes pretty, but sorry i never meant a REMAKE scream queen i meant a SCREAM QUEEN

[sCabbOy]

What strikes me is that Rob claims to hate slasher movies but it sounds like that's exactly what he made with this movie. He totally doesn't walk his talk. He's even said that things like action figures cheapen Michael's character. Well Rob, there's an action figure of Michael as he appears in your movie and masks, what do you have to say about that?

From what I have seen it seems to be a sterotypical slasher film

As for Rob, Rob is a walking talking contradiction, but he has a point with the action figures.

[Just Jeans]

I'd heard that an album was released, but I'm waiting for the score. :misery: I'm still waiting for a Transformers score, too.

I'm split. I'll more than likely be seeing it in theaters, just because it has my interest in an era when very, very few films do.

Which reminds me: Adam and I were thinking of going and seeing it this coming Monday. You game for meeting up in L-town to check it out?

[BlakeTyner]

Which reminds me: Adam and I were thinking of going and seeing it this coming Monday. You game for meeting up in L-town to check it out?

I'd be down with that, but I have like 3-month-old plans to see it with some friends from work over in Marshall.

~Blake

[NW77]

I wish someone would slap the sense out of Zombie & point out to him that he said he hate one things & is doing what he's hate. Is he stupid or something? He apparently never stick to his words & hearing about the movie prove it. He did it for the money. And it will be sad so many of his homers will say anything to love this remake & put down those who hate it from the beginning & are correct. I wouldn't be surprise if they say it better than the original too, which isn't logical. :duh:

[Deathscythe]

Rob Zombie: Remakes suck
Rob Zombie: Action figures make someone less scary.
etc, etc.

I wonder what he ever thought of the NoES series.

[Joshg]

What strikes me is that Rob claims to hate slasher movies but it sounds like that's exactly what he made with this movie.

Yargh, and he loves the original TCM and Halloween. If I'm not mistaken, aren't those....

Anyways, I wish I could find a quote from that 2002 interview he did way back. I'd love to ask him about it now. "You said this..."

"Well, I'll justify it by saying complete shit, so I don't look bad."

I just read an awful review of Halloween Remake. It was well put together, just had lots of negativeness. Meaning? I think Rob killed Michael Myers. And....uh....what an....you know, I won't touch this, cuz I'll say something I'll regret...he sucks...>.>...ehehe!!

[hack slash]

Friend of mine saw it and said it was great and will be paying to see it again Saturday

[MaDMaNMaRz]

I'm still going to see it, regardless. I do honestly think it looked pretty bad from the trailers i've seen......from the looks of it, it looks like this movies going to be about gore. :( Halloween should be about suspense, and thrills.

[Just Jeans]

Anyways, I wish I could find a quote from that 2002 interview he did way back. I'd love to ask him about it now. "You said this..."

He's been asked about those comments, and he answered in a way that I thought seemed completely honest: "I changed my mind."

Between 2002 and 2006, his opinion on the matter changed. It does happen from time to time.

[TheShowstoppa]

I keep seeing spots on TV for it and I get all giddy inside watching them. I really can't wait to see it! They showed the whole "Who are we moving tonight?" scene on A&E during Chris Angel. Naturally, they could show that much gore, so some of it was cut out, but if it looks like it did in that teaser spot, then we won't be seeing as much gore as people think!

[hack slash]

Zombie to Stay at Dimension
Source: Ryan Rotten, VarietyAugust 29, 2007


It's a great big love fest at Dimension Films. Variety reports Rob Zombie's future is bright at the studio releasing his update of Halloween this week.

The writer-director has signed a two-picture deal with Dimension; manager Andy Gould will act as producer, as he has done on Zombie's Michael Myers film.

"We are excited about his fresh take on 'Halloween' and are thrilled to be expanding our relationship with him on future projects," Dimension head Bob Weinstein says to the Hollywood trade. "We admire Rob for all the roles he plays, both as a director and writer."

Details are being kept on the down-low regarding the nature of both films.

Zombie enjoyed a healthy two-film lifespan at Lionsgate with House of 1000 Corpses and The Devil's Rejects before moving in with Dimension for Halloween and the Grindhouse trailer "Werewolf Women of the SS."
ADDED:
I now know 2 people that have seen it and they told me that as a fan of the original I will really like this movie, and it holds up to the original, and it is a very good movie. and these are 2 friends of mine that I know and trust, not critics so that makes me happy

[Joshg]

I've heard basically three things:

-Most of the characters are unlikeable, and trashy
-Michael is completely unscary now, because we know too much about him
-And he completely rushes the second half, due to the overly long first half

Guess I'll see when the film comes out. I've heard a lot of good things, and then a lot of, "Michael rocks!". You know? People who will like the film, just because it's a Halloween film. A ton of moments don't make sense, apparently. That worries me. :( Uh-oh!

[Erik]

This is the best review I've read of it so far. Perfectly captures the problems I had with the movie:

Beware spoilers, I guess

http://horror-movie-a-day.blogspot.com/2007/01/halloween-2007.html

[The Dark Vampire]

Has anyone here seen the finished product I just need a bit of info please.
ADDED:
BTW From what I know the UK won't get this until October 19th so I guess that gives me time to find anything out I need to know.

But by them Saw 4 will be almost out and to be honest I sooner watch that even if that sceen is cut from Halloween

[Joshg]

See? My source was right! That review backs it up. Hehe, Zombie, way to screw up!

[Cody]

This is the best review I've read of it so far. Perfectly captures the problems I had with the movie:

Beware spoilers, I guess

http://horror-movie-a-day.blogspot.com/2007/01/halloween-2007.html

That review pretty much matches my reaction to the workprint version, too. I only disagree about little Michael in Smith's Grove. The reviewer wanted more of it, I thought it could've been cut down because I felt most of it was ultimately pointless.

The Variety review pretty much touched on all the issues I had with the early draft script. :misery:

Some line changes and several unnecessary side scenes/characters being lost along the way makes the workprint slightly better than the early draft (and the theatrical version will apparently have the added bonus of losing the rape scene), but most of the same problems are still present. It's still a disjointed mess, particularly in the second half.

[sCabbOy]

I've heard basically three things:

-Most of the characters are unlikeable, and trashy
-Michael is completely unscary now, because we know too much about him
-And he completely rushes the second half, due to the overly long first half

Guess I'll see when the film comes out. I've heard a lot of good things, and then a lot of, "Michael rocks!". You know? People who will like the film, just because it's a Halloween film. A ton of moments don't make sense, apparently. That worries me. :( Uh-oh!

Michael is too... comic book. I'd sort of compare him to JGTH Jason, with a little TNB Jason. He's always there and always looks... made up. Like the perfectly "messy" hair. Even after he dons the mask he is just always there. Completely opposite of why I loved the origial.

[killingvector]

I will write a more detailed review later but RZs Halloween consists two halves of what could have been decent films; however, the two parts really don't fit together very well. The actual remake portion of the film appears very rushed, lasts less than 40 minutes. Although it does have its moments, the supporting characters are underdeveloped and, in the case of Lynda, Paul, and Bob, ultimately disposable. Why exactly he felt the need to kill off certain characters when Laurie is his target, is never answered. Also, Michael's whereabouts are not clearly specified; he seems to jump around from house to house without reason or transition. Rob is not a bear for details I guess.

Zombie's contribution is of course the backstory of Myers; however, this bizarre life and times of a trailer family really doesn't belong in a Halloween picture. Although I must say that William Forsythe is brilliant in his limited role. Uplifting when elements of the original film appear such as the first appearance of the Halloween score, the first half is ultimately unsatisfying and forgettable in its portrayal of a group of very unlikeable people. I had a difficult time ascertaining who was ultimately responsible for Michaels' decay of mind. Was he trying to save his mom and sister or merely had enough of Ronnie's chiding? No idea. Rob doesn't make any of the rationalization clear. I must admit that the slow, disappearance of Michael inside his own mind is handled very powerfully; however, it doesn't connect with the rest of the picture. The film advances forward and the young disturbed boy is now a cretinous brute with long hair. Rob should have severed this portion of the film and made a John Wayne Gacy biopic or an original horror.

Michael's size is a huge drawback in this picture. Why no one in the film seems spooked by a seven foot masked voyeur standing outside a school or in the middle of street is an overlooked detail here. Rob pitiful choice to 'suspense build' in the last thirty minutes is also questionable: Because we see him kill and kill violently throughout the film, there really is no reason for Michael to quietly stalk his female victims. The audience knows what Mike is capable, so is there any reason to tease them with a hunt? Rob's Michael isn't very scary. He watches for a bit, then degenerates into a Jasonic heavy, storming and smashing his way through at least three different houses.

As a sequel, there is enough style and energy to outplay all but the first two films, but it simply isn't scary enough, coherent enough, or meaningful enough to warrant its existance.

[Deathscythe]

Maybe Zombie should have just made a prequel.

[killingvector]

I am beginning to really hate films that think long hair and Kiss tee shirts are enough to represent a 70s setting. Studios need to stop hiring Cold Case production people to wardrobe their films.

[Just Jeans]

Also, Michael's whereabouts are not clearly specified; he seems to jump around from house to house without reason or transition. Rob is not a bear for details I guess.

Ugh. :misery: This is one of the biggest problems with the early draft of the script, and it was one I was hoping would be fixed before the film hit the screen. Is it as bad in the film as it was in the early script? In the early draft, one minute Michael is watching Lynda through a window, the next he's standing outside where Tommy gets a glimpse of him, the next he's across town at his own house, the next he's watching Annie, et cetera. He seems to teleport all over the place..

[Erik]

Ugh. :misery: This is one of the biggest problems with the early draft of the script, and it was one I was hoping would be fixed before the film hit the screen. Is it as bad in the film as it was in the early script? In the early draft, one minute Michael is watching Lynda through a window, the next he's standing outside where Tommy gets a glimpse of him, the next he's across town at his own house, the next he's watching Annie, et cetera. He seems to teleport all over the place..

That's pretty much the size of it. Since the movie pretty much follows him the whole time and never goes to a new location if Michael isn't present, they zoom all over town, with Michael zooming along. They'll jump cut to an entirely new location, where Michael is stalking another person, never explaining how he teleports across town so easily. Not a lot of continuity in terms of locations is present.

[killingvector]

Ugh. :misery: This is one of the biggest problems with the early draft of the script, and it was one I was hoping would be fixed before the film hit the screen. Is it as bad in the film as it was in the early script? In the early draft, one minute Michael is watching Lynda through a window, the next he's standing outside where Tommy gets a glimpse of him, the next he's across town at his own house, the next he's watching Annie, et cetera. He seems to teleport all over the place..



I was confused where Michael was....he suddenly appears inside the Wallace house when Annie and Lindsey are watching Howard Hawks' The Thing, then a few scenes later he attacks Lynda and Bob at the Myers house, then reappears back at the Wallace house. Why exactly he decides to go back home is never answered. He simply shows up wherever the superfluous characters are located.

Also, I was shocked that Brad Dourif shows up only in the last twenty minutes of the film. The link between Annie and her dad is only made by an offhand line of dialogue.

[Just Jeans]

That was the one in the script that really got me -- Michael is in the Wallace house, standing behind Lindsay while she watches TV, then he's suddenly gone, killing someone, and then is suddenly back in the Wallace house. It beggars sense.

It sounds like Dourif's role has actually been trimmed when compared to the early draft. He ends up finding Annie nearly dead but still alive, and leads an assault on Michel in front of the Myers house. It reminded me of the opening scene in Jason Goes to Hell. The entire police force comes down on Michael.

Does Michael still hunt down his mother and kill her for no reason? That bit in the script just didn't feel right.

[Erik]

Does Michael still hunt down his mother and kill her for no reason? That bit in the script just didn't feel right.

In the work print, Michael's mom kills herself when Michael is still a kid, in the asylum. I don't know if it's different in the final version though.

[CosmoBubba]

I guess the only excuse for the whole jumping around thing is that RZ decided to make Michael even more like Jason by giving him the teleportation powers Jason had in Part 8. Either that, or sloppy writing/editing.

[killingvector]

I guess the only excuse for the whole jumping around thing is that RZ decided to make Michael even more like Jason by giving him the teleportation powers Jason had in Part 8. Either that, or sloppy writing/editing.


It is sloppy writing but I suspect Rob didn't see a problem with it.

There is also a continuity error earlier in the film; There is simply no trigger which causes Michael to take his first victim. He is bullied, brought to the main office because his animal photographs are discovered but sneaks away to murder a bully. No reason why today was any different from the day before....

[Erik]

It is sloppy writing but I suspect Rob didn't see a problem with it.

There is also a continuity error earlier in the film; There is simply no trigger which causes Michael to take his first victim. He is bullied, brought to the main office because his animal photographs are discovered but sneaks away to murder a bully. No reason why today was any different from the day before....

That's how psychosis works. Sometimes there simply is no trigger. It just happens.

[killingvector]

That's how psychosis works. Sometimes there simply is no trigger. It just happens.


To portray his breakdown on film, there needed to be a trigger. Rob hedges though, hinting that Michael's environment was the cause.

[Erik]

Even so, that's the least of this film's problems. The whole movie is plagued with problems and flaws.

[killingvector]

Even so, that's the least of this film's problems. The whole movie is plagued with problems and flaws.

True enough. I agree completely.

[The Dream Master]

You guys are really killing what little enthusiasm I had for this. It can't be this bad, can it?

[Darth Sinister]

Yeah, but what we were told was that we'd see what led to his killing. That was the intention Zombie claimed to have had.

[El Rooto]

To portray his breakdown on film, there needed to be a trigger. Rob hedges though, hinting that Michael's environment was the cause.
That's what I was afraid of...

[Just Jeans]

In the work print, Michael's mom kills herself when Michael is still a kid, in the asylum. I don't know if it's different in the final version though.

Actually, I think I had it slightly wrong. I believe the way it happened in the early draft, Michael hunts down his mom, who gives a little speech about how Michael will never find Laurie, and then she kills herself with a revolver. It irritated me because no reason is given to how he tracks down his mom, and there was no reason given for how he tracks down Laurie, apart from just happening to see some random girl who drops off a key at the Myers house and assuming she's his sister.

There is also a continuity error earlier in the film; There is simply no trigger which causes Michael to take his first victim. He is bullied, brought to the main office because his animal photographs are discovered but sneaks away to murder a bully. No reason why today was any different from the day before....

In the early draft, it seems as though Zombie's intention is that humans are just the next logical step after animals. The first human he kills is a little girl -- who is younger than him -- by tempting her into the woods with a promise of candy. He beats her to death with a stick, urinates on her, then hides the body under a slate of wood. He does all of this for no reason whatsoever, which I thought was odd given how Zombie said his intention was to give cause to the madness.

[hack slash]

ANOTHER POSITIVE REVIEW

http://joblo.com/review-halloween


REVIEW: HALLOWEEN may be one of the most important films for me personally. It was the first film that I remember connecting with on so many levels. It was the film that really made me love movies because of it’s sheer power. It also gave me a few nightmares that I will never forget. With that said, I will now try to avoid talking about the original. I am going to attempt not to compare the John Carpenter classic with the recent… let’s just say prequel/re-imagining or whatever. In fact, if the film had been directed by almost any one else, I would have scoffed at the idea. But Rob Zombie is someone that I trust to make unique and disturbingly brutal works of art. I was thoroughly entertained by HOUSE OF 1,000 CORPSES and was truly inspired by THE DEVIL’S REJECTS. Yes, it’s only two films, so what right does this dude have to remake Halloween? A couple of films and a few cool music videos? He loves horror… that‘s what. And not only does he love horror… he knows it. He knows what makes something terrifying.

As far as his latest and decidedly most controversial movie, he manages to create a gripping journey into a suburban horror, proving once again that Rob Zombie is a genius in the art of the modern nightmare. He introduces us to a young boy growing up in a very dysfunctional family. His mother Deborah (Sheri Moon Zombie) is a stripper who is living with a drunken a-hole (William Forsythe) and sister (Hanna Hall), who seems to be too interested in boys and sex than her loving brother. The only one the young boy seems to have a connection with is his baby sister (you can figure that one out). So this young man uses his time hiding from the world, usually wearing masks. Again, I will attempt to avoid the comparisons to the original, but it did feel a tad scarier when a young man is just evil, messed up family or not. Yet, this look at the boy, Michael, adds a unique level to the story. It works because we see what is probably very typical, and quite sad in the breakdown of many American families. As young Michael falls into insanity, we are given a preview of what is to come. Especially powerful is what happens when a bully picks on the wrong person, which will have many an audience member squirming at the sheer brutality of it.

What helps makes the first half of Halloween work is a couple of very strong performances from Daeg Faerch as young Michael and Sheri Moon as his mother. She gives heart to this story even if you question her motives for staying with an alcoholic who helps to tear the family apart. Sheri is a damn fine actress who is dismissed much too easily because she is Rob’s wife. As the young monster, Daeg is equally powerful. He offers up a sweet natured kid who transforms into a child with “the devil’s eyes” quite believably. Both of these two make for a strong beginning which helps make this a unique vision of the classic. Then, when we are introduced to Dr. Sam Loomis (Malcolm McDowell), an interesting triangle between mother, doctor and psychotic son develops.

The first half of the film, which takes place in the Myers household and later on in a mental institution, works much better then one would expect. There are definitely enough chills and thrills to keep it moving, but it feels as though it is a brutal and sad world. As Michael stops speaking and grows up to be the monster that Tyler Mane lives in, we still witness the world of Halloween through his eyes. I’m not saying that you root for him, but we see the world partially through his strange diseased mind. He plays Michael as a force to be reckoned with. A beast of a man who is powerful enough to destroy anything that gets in his way. And that means those he happens upon on the ultimate escape from the institution and his arrival in Haddonfield, fifteen years later, on Halloween.

When he comes home, the film almost feels like it could have been the sequel to the first half. This is where we really move into remake territory. The babysitters are introduced including a much more playful Laurie Strode (Scout Taylor-Compton) who is still the bookish one compared to Lynda and Annie, played respectively by Kristina Klebe and a welcome return to this franchise by the lovely Danielle Harris (my how she’s grown). Yet, this moves quickly into the final battle between Laurie and Michael. It is a brutal, and violent fight that feels much more visceral and favors sheer intensity over suspense. There is also a bit of nudity that is not terribly surprising for a Rob Zombie flick. But what is surprising is that it seems somewhat subdued for him. Yes, it is brutal and vicious, but it avoids some of the gross out factor that comes with the modern horror film. Don’t get me wrong, it’s got blood, but this is not a film purely made to make you sick. And frankly, Halloween shouldn’t be that type of film.

I found Rob Zombie’s vision to be very unique and by far, the best of the countless sequels in the series. He seems to reinvent many of the slasher flick clichés. I was actually surprised at a few changes he made in the remake portion of the film. It didn’t feel like a typical horror film. But it did seem like it might have been more powerful if it had focused either on the “before the asylum escape” or afterwards. I felt the final act seemed a bit rushed in an effort to get to the big chase. But it still works. Mr. Zombie (sorry Rob) feels as fresh and unique as a remake to what I consider a masterpiece of horror could possibly feel. If anyone could have made this work, it looks as though he may just have to be Rob Zombie. His Halloween is a brutal assault that brings a face to the myth of Michael Myers.

My rating 7.5/10

[The Dream Master]

Hack Slash, you're damned determined to be the only one who still has faith in this aren't you? :p

In all seriousness, I'm glad there are some positive reviews coming out. I'm not reading the details, but at least it looks like it won't be universally railed against. It looks like it's shaping up to be like both of Rob's films so far: you either love it or you hate it. Since this is a remake of a classic, I'd say he has his work cut out for him because I think a lot of people are going to fall into the "hate it" category on principle alone.

[killingvector]

Several of the kills/assaults were very well done: especially Judith, Ronnie and Annie in particular. His murders are not simple stabbings and strangulations; the victims fight back and feel life being bled from their bodies Zombie brought back the brutality of death to the Halloween series. But overall, this was a failure of imagination: too many components working against each other in what should a very simple dish.

[Brett H.]

So... any bush or tits in this movie?

[killingvector]

So... any bush or tits in this movie?

There are boobs and I thought possibly a little more but I can't be certain of it.

[The Dream Master]

So... any bush or tits in this movie?

Even better: There are Danielle Harris tits, yo.

I'm still kind of creeped out by it though, seeing as how she was so young when I first saw her in Halloween 4 and 5.

[BlakeTyner]

So... any bush or tits in this movie?

Boo asks the hard questions, Geraldo style! I like that.

~Blake

[Brett H.]

Even better: There are Danielle Harris tits, yo.

Whoa. I'm gonna beat my dick like mowfucker. I have no problems seeing this flick now. I don't care if Michael Myers is basically Kid Rock.

[The Dream Master]

That's pretty much been my stance since that new regarding Ms. Harris broke.

Oh, and I'm quite smitten with Scout Taylor-Compton, too, so there's another reason to watch. As I said earlier in the thread, I can't fault Rob when it comes to the eye candy department. A lot of nice looking ladies in this one.

[Erik]

That's pretty much been my stance since that new regarding Ms. Harris broke.

Oh, and I'm quite smitten with Scout Taylor-Compton, too, so there's another reason to watch. As I said earlier in the thread, I can't fault Rob when it comes to the eye candy department. A lot of nice looking ladies in this one.

Too bad Laurie is so unlikeable in this movie that any attraction you felt to her will have completely disappeared after seeing the movie.

[Deathscythe]

Danielle Harris will be the best part about this movie, bank on it.

[Brett H.]

For those who have seen Danielle Harris nude in the movie...

Tell me about her nipples. And is her bush the bush in question?

[Erik]

You don't see Ms. Harris' bush I'm sorry to say. Her boobs were surprising lackluster too. She's still bangin' though.

[Brett H.]

Are we talking Tara Reid lopsided? How big are the areolas? Shit man, draw me a diagram. Whatever you have to do.

[Erik]

There wasn't anything wrong with them. They were just your normal, average boobs. Not movie star boobs or anything. I can't give you any specifics because blowing up the avi on my HDTV made it a little too grainy for my liking.

I could pm you some pictures though ;)

[Brett H.]

I could pm you some pictures though ;)

Awwwwwww yeah! Pretty please with nipples on it!

[Deathscythe]

Awwwwwww yeah! Pretty please with nipples on it!

I second this.

[Brett H.]

I like them nice little tittays. Thanks, Erik.

But, I do see why people would be let down. And I also will say, no matter what I see kid Danielle in them.

[The Dream Master]

If you've got something from an illegally obtained workprint copy, keep it in PMs, please.

Also, here's a warning right now: No one should post anything along the lines of "PM me something" as it pertains to the workprint or anything like that.

We're not going to act like it doesn't exist, and discussing it is alright, but that doesn't mean we want it to show up in this thread.

[Deathscythe]

Thank you Erik. And sorry The Dream Master, won't happen again.

[Erik]

Sorry. Won't happen again. I feel way too dirty to do anything like that again anyway. :(

[Brett H.]

Hey man, no need to feel dirty. We've only jerked off to it four times so far...

[The Dream Master]

Like I said, it's totally cool if you keep it to PMs. I just don't want anyone posting pictures or linking straight to the workprint from this thread.

[The Tall Man]

Boo asks the hard questions, Geraldo style! I like that.
He gives away the position of our boys??? :doggy:

T.M.

[BlakeTyner]

He gives away the position of our boys??? :doggy:



Touche, sir.

~Blake

[Brett H.]

Just because I've held everyone's balls doesn't make me Geraldo.

And if I was Geraldo, I'd change my name to Geralod!

[killingvector]

Latino Review brings up several very obvious flaws with the film:


How does Michael even know what his baby sister looks like? All he has in his possession is a baby picture. Was she on MySpace and he looked her up? When he does find Laurie, he proceeds to do what any big brother would do. Kill all of your younger sister’s friends and then start to chase her. Ya, that’ll win her over. In one scene Laurie finds her best friend bloodied and beaten on the floor while her dead boyfriend is hanging above her. Laurie calls 911 and gives them the address. Michael shows up and chases Laurie out of the house and down the street to another house. Laurie is screaming her head off, yet there appears to be nobody else living in that neighborhood but these kids who are all screaming for their lives. So what happens when Laurie arrives at the other house? The cops show up there. How did the cops know she’d be there? The 911 call was for the other address. Why am I beating myself in the head over a Rob Zombie movie????



When Myers does capture Laurie, he shows her the picture of him holding her when she was a baby. But she’s freaking out because she has no idea who this guy is. Myers, who has the ability to speak, says nothing. Another missed opportunity! Why remake the movie if you’re going to do NOTHING different with the character? Why not some dialog? Why not have an emotional connection between the two, even if it’s brief? Instead, we get the inevitable end chase scene which lasts fucking forever. I was really hoping to see something different with this character. Something more than just a one-dimensional killer. But I guess that’s asking too much in today’s world of half-assed filmmaking.

[Just Jeans]

Does this mean that the adult-Michael-calling-Laurie-"Boo" bit has been removed from the film? It could be the dialog is ADR material, and had yet to be inserted into the work print.

[Skott]

I find it highly amusing people are tearing apart a WORK PRINT version of the film with a partial temp-score, unmixed dialog, and without any of the re-shoots. Obviously there are problems with it in pretty much every way, this version was never meant to be seen. I'd highly advise waiting for the theatrical version before making any solid judgments.

As for Michael knowing it's his sister, maybe I'm imagined it but I remember finding it odd he smelled whatever it was she put through the mail slot. I guess that's how he realized she was his sister. Michael speaking, he talked far too much in the scenes where he was a kid! I like my made up serial killers silent, when they open their mouth it usually ruins the illusion...like Freddy after NOES 3

[sCabbOy]

Well, with the workprint you get the jest of what the movie will be about. Sorry, but changing small things won't change much. One more thing I thought was distasteful was the downright lewd dialogue. I swear I heard cock, cum, pussy, jerk off, fuck a million times.... That shit is unnecessary and when it's overdone it's annoying.

I'm sure that won't me changed too muck from the workprint to the theatrical print.

I sure hope the intro is different because the intro is generic and stupid, it didn;t fit the scene AT ALL, but I am sure it will be. Not that it changes too much about the movie.

At this time it's a 4.5/10, I'm sure when I see the movie Sunday it will be 6-7/10
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Oh, PS.

Another thing I hated was the fact that that his(Michael's) family was so dysfunctional, abusive and incestuous. One thing that was great about the original was that Michael's family was a perfect family, yet he turned out bad. Rob's version is too literal and stereotypical.

Sorry, I really don't think that will change much from the workprint to the theatrical print.

[Jack Bauer]

So, with the workshop print it was like Rob's first draft then. If there's a new ending how'd this one end? Michael's shot to hell by Brackett or Loomis and Laurie?

[Erik]

So, with the workshop print it was like Rob's first draft then. If there's a new ending how'd this one end? Michael's shot to hell by Brackett or Loomis and Laurie?

Brackett and the other cops ventilate him.

[Jack Bauer]

At least Dourif was an horror action hero of sorts.

[The Tall Man]

I find it highly amusing people are tearing apart a WORK PRINT version of the film with a partial temp-score, unmixed dialog, and without any of the re-shoots.
I'm pretty sure the majority of these reviews are from the test screenings? I've only read one review that was from the workprint and that was one of our own members.

Well, with the workprint you get the jest of what the movie will be about. Sorry, but changing small things won't change much.
I don't now if you consider a score "small" or not, but there are scenes in the "Freddy's Dead" workprint that are downright creepy and sinister with the temp score for it. They should've just kept that.

Another thing I hated was the fact that [spoiler] that his(Michael's) family was so dysfunctional, abusive and incestuous. One thing that was great about the original was that Michael's family was a perfect family, yet he turned out bad. Rob's version is too literal and stereotypical.
That was such a wonderful element of "Halloween".

T.M.

[sCabbOy]

Well, it wasn't the score that I disliked. It was the overall plot of the movie- the opening sequence and dialogue. I thought the opening 20 minutes was absolutely horrible. Who wants to know that Michael's family were sex crazed, foul-moutdhed beligerant psychos?.

Once the movie gets goung- 30+ minutes in, it's actually pretty good.

I didn't think the workprint score was very bad. It was ill placed in a few spots, but overall that's not what I had beef with.

So, I stand by my OPINION that the differences can't be that different.

[The Dream Master]

I've been reading around the net for some other reviews, and I've seen more than a few people who have seen both the workprint and the final cut say that the former is actually better. I've seen the word "disaster" thrown around a lot, too. It's not looking good in my estimation.

[The Dark Vampire]

If it is as bad as we have been lead to believe then I could see them just forgetting about Halloween 2 (the remake) and just continue where they left off with the original series and make Halloween 9 and then just try to act like this one never happened.

[Erik]

If the workprint is supposed to be the superior version then I weep for all those unlucky souls who actually pay to see this.

[Deathscythe]

I swear, this thread will explode with anger and love tomorrow.

[The Dream Master]

DC, you're exactly right. I don't think there's going to be much middle ground at all.

[Rick]

A few things were changed from the work print to theatrical, but you still get the general idea of what the movie is going to be like. Dialogue, pacing the way it's filmed, the way Myers will act, are the actors good at delivery and timing or do they just righteously suck.
A changed escape and ending is not going to radically change the movie in terms of those elements.
Was this the version shown to test audiences? IF feed back had been 100% positive they probably would have finished the score, looped the dialogue and this is the version we would have seen.

[The Dark Vampire]

I think some of the more hardcore fanatics we had over at the old site will still say this is a great movie even if they really hated it just so they can either keep arguing or just so they don't look stupid or just bacuse they couldn't admit they were wrong.

Don't get me wrong they might genuinely like it but if not will they admit they were wrong.

[Lance Lives]

Original Halloween and H1000C are back to back on IFC right now. I've avoided this thread and apparently there is a work print out now and people are trashin' it. But, fuck it, I'm gonna go watch it Saturday. Can't tommorrow because I have to work too late, but I'm actually lookin' forward to it.

[CosmoBubba]

When he does find Laurie, he proceeds to do what any big brother would do. Kill all of your younger sister’s friends and then start to chase her. Ya, that’ll win her over.

I heard an interview with Zombie on XM's Cinemagic channel today, and he said something like since everyone in Michael's life had left him in some form or fashion, the only person he still felt connected to was Laurie. She didn't leave him; he was taken away from her. And by killing all her friends and family, he wanted to see to it that she'd never leave him and that he could have her all to himself. Or something like that. I'm probably not remembering the interview correctly.

[killingvector]

I heard an interview with Zombie on XM's Cinemagic channel today, and he said something like since everyone in Michael's life had left him in some form or fashion, the only person he still felt connected to was Laurie. She didn't leave him; he was taken away from her. And by killing all her friends and family, he wanted to see to it that she'd never leave him and that he could have her all to himself. Or something like that. I'm probably not remembering the interview correctly.


If this was Rob's intention, it did not come across on film. I was just as confused with Michaels' motives as LatinoReview. The script was not lucid enough to explain perhaps the single most important plot choice.

I also agree with scabboy; the film's opening 30 minutes are some of the most gratuitously lewd as any film I've seen: the language, the dysfunction, the utter trashiness of this family was not just difficult to watch but much too over the top. The family's problems felt artificial; as if someone was trying to paint a picture but only had two colors to construct an image.

If anyone wants to witness true family dysfunction on film, the Nick Nolte picture, Affliction, is a gem. I wish Zombie had tailored the Myers family more in this vein than the Firefly cousins down by the river.
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I heard an interview with Zombie on XM's Cinemagic channel today, and he said something like since everyone in Michael's life had left him in some form or fashion, the only person he still felt connected to was Laurie. She didn't leave him; he was taken away from her. And by killing all her friends and family, he wanted to see to it that she'd never leave him and that he could have her all to himself. Or something like that. I'm probably not remembering the interview correctly.

A few things were changed from the work print to theatrical, but you still get the general idea of what the movie is going to be like. Dialogue, pacing the way it's filmed, the way Myers will act, are the actors good at delivery and timing or do they just righteously suck.
A changed escape and ending is not going to radically change the movie in terms of those elements.
Was this the version shown to test audiences? IF feed back had been 100% positive they probably would have finished the score, looped the dialogue and this is the version we would have seen.


The work print seemed pretty complete to me. I can't imagine very many changes; I read that Zombie's reshoots included more on screen deaths, a mistake in my opinion. Myers brutality betrays the brief but still present transition to seven foot lurking brute.

Also, I take umbrage with some of the music. Before every jump scare or sudden Michael assault, Zombie employs this shrill, knife vibrating sound effect. The problem is that time and time again it precedes each one of these shocking moments, sucking the energy out of the scene. Why telegraph your scares? Zombie does it, again and again.

[Melanie Jarvis]

So I just got back from the midnight showing. I really don't know what to say as my feelings are mixed, and I am feeling a bit sad. I wasn't completely dissappointed, but I am not feeling pleased. In itself, it was a decent horror movie. Well, I thought it was quite scary, but the story was just a little too off. Of course, I wanted some originality in it, but it just wasn't a Halloween movie. It wasn't the Halloween that I know and love. Like I said, as just a horror movie, it was pretty good, but there really just wasn't any need for it and I wish it would have never been made. I feel like something has been taken away from me.

[Just Jeans]

Melanie, how was Tyler Bates' score? I've heard two tracks -- the Theme and Michael Stalks Laurie -- but that's just not enough to give an over-all impression of the music. How much of Carpenter's original was touched upon, and how was the original stuff?

I won't be going to see it until Tuesday, so I have to ask the 'hard' questions.

[sCabbOy]

In simple terms, the movie played like a DTV slasher. The movie wasn't horrible, but no where near as good. But the fact that this movie IMO just has to be compared to Carpenter's makes is shitty.

I liked the lack of blood in the WP. I hate the idea that adding blood all of a sudden makes the movie better. Of course the average teen watching it won't be bothered by some of the more annoying parts, but the climax of the movie to me seemed very slow and boring if THAT part was not changed in the theatrical print then I am sure a lot of people will be displeased.

[Skott]

I got tickets for a little after 4 today, I hate going to moves by myself but given it's a long weekend all my friends are away. I just hope Loomis looses the cell phone in the final cut!

[Special Killa B]

Well today's the big day, I made sure I made time in my busy schedule to see this one. I'm probably going with my neice to watch it later today.

[DRE]

Listen people, whether you've seen this film the OTHER way or not, please go to see this at the theater this weekend. I myself would hate to stroke Zombie's ego BUT it seems that Michael Myers succeeding is (once again) our only hope to get Jason back again (Since Hatchet will not be in enough theaters to do the job.)

Please, I can't wait another four years to see that Hockey Mask on the big screen again.

[killingvector]

I got tickets for a little after 4 today, I hate going to moves by myself but given it's a long weekend all my friends are away. I just hope Loomis looses the cell phone in the final cut!

Loomis is a complete and utter failure in this picture. Fails as a psychologist and as the only one who can stop Myers.
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Melanie, how was Tyler Bates' score? I've heard two tracks -- the Theme and Michael Stalks Laurie -- but that's just not enough to give an over-all impression of the music. How much of Carpenter's original was touched upon, and how was the original stuff?

I won't be going to see it until Tuesday, so I have to ask the 'hard' questions.

The first appearance of the classic Carpenter theme is invigorating. The stalking music comes and goes but Zombie uses this shrill, knife drawing noise right before any shocking event. I haven't seen a director undermine his own intention since American Haunting.

[sCabbOy]

Listen people, whether you've seen this film the OTHER way or not, please go to see this at the theater this weekend. I myself would hate to stroke Zombie's ego BUT it seems that Michael Myers succeeding is (once again) our only hope to get Jason back again (Since Hatchet will not be in enough theaters to do the job.)

Please, I can't wait another four years to see that Hockey Mask on the big screen again.

I'm gonna see it a couple times with different people....

[Geddy Peart]

I just got back from a showing and my opinion is meh. I liked some of Zombie's ideas but others I didn't. I didn't find the film scary in the least, however I haven't seen a "horror" film that's actually scared me in a while so I don't hold that against the film. I think overall, it was average at best. Not the worst, but certainly not the best.

[The Dark Vampire]

Now the the people who have seen it Is the rape scene in it? as that is the deciding factor of if I waych it or not

[killingvector]

The rape scene is not in the theatrical cut.

[The Dark Vampire]

The rape scene is not in the theatrical cut.
Thanks that's great news I'll go watch it then:)

[Jack Bauer]

So in both versions (workprint and theatrical) Michael is shot to death but why?

Also does Annie live or die? I'm asking this since my mind is now made up wither if I wanted to see this or not.

[Special Killa B]

So in both versions (workprint and theatrical) Michael is shot to death but why?

Also does Annie live or die? I'm asking this since my mind is now made up wither if I wanted to see this or not.

From what I got out of it she is still alive because they last show her still consious as the ambulance and her dad (the sheriff) arrive.


I too say this was not the best and was not the worst horror movie made, it was alright. Some parts I liked and some parts I hated (reminding me that it was indeed a Zombie movie)

[Jack Bauer]

Thanks, Killa, for the info.

I might see this when the extended, uncut or unrated version comes out on DVD, Blu-Ray and HD-DVD.

[Erik]

How was the ending changed for the theatrical cut?

[El Rooto]

Listen people, whether you've seen this film the OTHER way or not, please go to see this at the theater this weekend. I myself would hate to stroke Zombie's ego BUT it seems that Michael Myers succeeding is (once again) our only hope to get Jason back again (Since Hatchet will not be in enough theaters to do the job.)

Please, I can't wait another four years to see that Hockey Mask on the big screen again.

I love Friday the 13th, but I'm not seeing this just for the chance that it might mean a return for Jason.

[The Dark Vampire]

I love Friday the 13th, but I'm not seeing this just for the chance that it might mean a return for Jason.
I agree I wouldn't see this just to improve the chances of getting a new Friday--Nightmare or VS movie.

Saying that now I know the scene is out I'll give it a chance

[killingvector]

How was the ending changed for the theatrical cut?

I haven't seen the theatrical version yet I have heard a rumor that Michael crushes Loomis' skull and drags him into the house

[Jack Bauer]

How was the ending changed for the theatrical cut?
Apparently Laurie kills Michael after a long Cat and Mouse game in the old Myers place and after Michael kills Loomis by crushing his head in.

[Erik]

He managed to think up a worse ending? Good job Rob.

[mcilroga]

Seeing this in a few. Can't wait.

[Jack Bauer]

He managed to think up a worse ending? Good job Rob.

But the thing is Laurie shoots Michael with an empty gun but after a few times a bullet fires.
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Also how does Baby, I Love Your Way and Tom Sawyer fit into this film?

[Jigsaw]

I'll probably go see this next weekend (I'll be seeing Death Sentence tomorrow).

[killingvector]

But the thing is Laurie shoots Michael with an empty gun but after a few times a bullet fires.
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Also how does Baby, I Love Your Way and Tom Sawyer fit into this film?


hmmmm...I guess when Loomis shot Michael, the bullets had no effect.....

It's official: Loomis is the most ineffective wanker since Bucky at the Haddonfield Grid and Power

[DRE]

Well, do what you must, but I will do what I can to bring Jason back. I saw that piece of shit Freddy vs. Jason ten times in theaters so I'm accustomed to paying for inferior product all for the greater good.