Opinions Wanted for Jason Mask

[Lydia]

Hopefully I can post this here instead of personally clogging up the art forum...

Once I am through with the werewolves, I want to attempt something I have never tried before: a full 'hood' style mask. For a long time, my masks have had thick heads of hair, so I have had no need to do anything beyond a half mask. Plus, I admit I have been very afraid of screwing up a two-part mold and instead of just diving in, I have avoided it.

I was debating on what to do while working with my usual Friday the 13th vids playing in the background to keep me entertained, and I realized that who better was there to do on a first try than Jason himself?

Thing is, I am so not sure which one I want to do first. Appearance wise, when you're talking under the mask, my two favorites are the remake's Jason and the hillbilly Jason from part 2. I'm not sure if I am capable of doing all the hair plugging appropriately for Part 2, but willing to give it a shot... Either way, long story short and cut my typical ramblings even shorter...

Which Jason do you all think I should start out with? Who is the most popular? It doesn't have to be the two I listed, it can be any -- all look like they would be a load of fun.

If I do this right, I can have the lovely dual possibility of mask or bust, which is just great, since I can do a bust and finally start building up a horror collection... especially since, being very small and female, I would technically never be able to wear a Jason mask and not look like a joke.

Looking forward to your thoughts!

[Andiac]

I really like the FvJ hood personally. I like how dark and black and gross/burned it looks.

[Lydia]

That seems to be the one that doesn't want to properly be found for me. I know there are pics of him from production without the hock on, but I cannot seem to find them. Gargh.

[The Tall Man]

How's this?

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/3972/fvsjjason24.png

T.M., Esq.

[Uncle Hoody]

I'd say part 4 or 7

[Lydia]

You rock, T.M. I need to rebuild my collection of maskless Jason stills, lost it with the last reformat. Stupid me forgot I had started the folder in a section that didn't autobackup.

Part 4 could definitely be neat. Though unless its FvJ, want to avoid the undead look, I think.

[Violent VictiM]

You should honestly consider giving up horror busts and possibly just going into strictly Disney characters.

[Lydia]

Disney is scary D:

What makes you say that?

[Andiac]

I don't think you should bother with the face. Make it a faceless hood so you can wear it more comfortably with a hockey mask.

[Lydia]

Face can always be cut out, technically. Though I could do an alternate version. Would be a touch of a pain, though. Those sorts of hoods scare me as a costume element. A hood may not fit everyone perfectly, whereas a mask pretty much always will provide the coverage that is needed. Yeah, would definitely do a mix of both. Face for busts and friends that want to be able to pull their hock up and show the mask, and faceless for people that just want the added effect of the skull without applying a bald cap and paint like my friend did every single night for the haunt.
ADDED:
Almost have the paint done on the first werewolf. Will paint up the second and start a sculpt. Maybe I will go with the FvsJ first, it provides a good undead look without being a total zombie.

[Andiac]

More than happy to receive a faceless FvJ hood to test it out with one of my masks. :p

[Violent VictiM]

Disney is scary D:

What makes you say that?

Just being a pain. ;)

[jasonisking]

you should do one that every other mask maker hasnt already done to death.everyone who collects jason masks will buy a jason goes to hell mask.i have only seen two made decently.jeremy bohr did one the hellbound and it was great but impossable to find now.and justin mabry did his version but it had a mask made into it instead of a face.here is a pic of jb,s hellbound for face reference.http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn44/Jason-5150/masks114.jpg

[Rich]

Jasonisking,

That is awesome! It looks better then the look in the movie.

[Jus-X]

I've seen maskless JGTH Jason before, but never in well lit light. Now I'm not sure if it's the artists work or if he's copying the makeup from the movie, but the facial features look alot like White's make-up in TFC. Very sweet.

[The Tall Man]

There's no facial features in the real makeup Justyn. That's just a shits and giggles thing KNB did on their own. It is not meant to represent Jason's face in JGTH. As I've explained before, the cut adult Hellbaby did.

T.M., Esq.

[Jus-X]

Ah. Damned. Well then I've been duped.

[Lydia]

Small update. Something was wrong with the mix of the clay, apparently, and the plaster. I had called the company during the demolding process for the clay. Used to be foreign made, but was bought out by a shit American company. After telling them what was going on, they informed me that, essentially, their quality control had sucked and they would be more than happy to send me some free clay for my future work. I, of course, said FUCK NO, and informed them that I would never be using their clay again for making any project, not even if someone asks me to cast them a pile of shit.

The plaster... no idea what was up with it. It... flaked and crumbled off like you wouldn't believe.

As of this coming Monday (the 11th), I will be ordering in all new armature, ultracal, clay from a different company, latex, and everything else I need to replace and restarting this project again.

[The Tall Man]

Best of luck to you, Stricken!

T.M., Esq.

[jasonsfury]

There's no facial features in the real makeup Justyn. That's just a shits and giggles thing KNB did on their own. It is not meant to represent Jason's face in JGTH. As I've explained before, the cut adult Hellbaby did.

T.M., Esq.

Horror Sanctum recreated a small run of 20 hoods using the original movie mold from the film JGTH. Here is what it looks like below.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_oAWmQ99eYzo/TSbBdzGLGmI/AAAAAAAAAO4/I4zsobA1pAk/s1600/HellHood1.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_oAWmQ99eYzo/TSbBocrbLHI/AAAAAAAAAPA/wI3klncVj1w/s1600/HellHood3.jpg

[The Tall Man]

Fury, I don't care who put it out or what their source is, that is not what Jason looks like under the mask in JGTH. What KNB did-- and they DID make those, no doubt about it--was of their own volition. It was never meant to be used for the movie. As I said, for shits and giggles. One of them said so themselves. Nicatero I think.

The best approximation of Jason's face under the mask was the face of the adult hellbaby cut from the final print of the movie. Please don't spread the idea that Jason's skull was supposed to be exposed in JGTH. It's just not true.

T.M., Esq.

[Jus-X]

It's definitly a great look to it, but Tally's right. The skull was never supopsed to be exposed.

But Tally you may know this, but I've only heard rumours as to what was underneath the hock in JGTH. I've heard that it was a bloody mess of muscular tissue from having the mask burned to his face, I've also heard that it was similiar to what the full grown hellbaby looked like. Do you have any idea if either of those are correct?

[The Tall Man]

Neither, Justyn. See, there was no Jason face created for JGTH. The mask was for all intents and purposes Jason's face for the costume. The mask was what was the front of the head's composition. They didn't make a face and then put the mask over it.

See, that's why KNB made that little thing for themselves as a "what if" to amuse themselves since there were no face to create in the first place.

This is something I don't know and would like to ask-- wasn't Jason's whole costume a full body rubber suit similar to a Godzilla costume that Kane climbed into and then he put on his wardrobe over it? I know I've seen the photos of "Jason nude", but what I'm not 100% on is if the head was makeup or if it was a part of that suit that Kane wore like a mask.

T.M., Esq.

[jasonsfury]

Fury, I don't care who put it out or what their source is, that is not what Jason looks like under the mask in JGTH. What KNB did-- and they DID make those, no doubt about it--was of their own volition. It was never meant to be used for the movie. As I said, for shits and giggles. One of them said so themselves. Nicatero I think.

The best approximation of Jason's face under the mask was the face of the adult hellbaby cut from the final print of the movie. Please don't spread the idea that Jason's skull was supposed to be exposed in JGTH. It's just not true.

T.M., Esq.

I am not spreading anything. I was just pointing out that hoods were being created using a mold created by the team for the film. I thought people would enjoy seeing what KNB were looking to use for the film. If it wasn't used, that is fine. We need to see a pic of Kane without the hock on to finally settle the discussion.

[The Tall Man]

I thought people would enjoy seeing what KNB were looking to use for the film.
It was NEVER meant to be used. It was not made for the film at all. That's my whole point.

If it wasn't used, that is fine. We need to see a pic of Kane without the hock on to finally settle the discussion.
There is no such thing. The mask was not a separate piece in JGTH.

T.M., Esq.

[jasonsfury]

There is no such thing. The mask was not a separate piece in JGTH.

T.M., Esq.

I am saying it would be great to see a pic of Kane without the hock on to see what he looked like underneath. You are now saying that there is no seperate piece. If you're saying the hockey mask and the "hood" are one piece, I think that is false.

If you are referring to the "hood" not being seperate from the rest of the body suit, then I can see your point.

A pic would be great to settle this everyone .........

[The Tall Man]

You are now saying that there is no seperate piece. If you're saying the hockey mask and the "hood" are one piece, I think that is false.
It's not. Sorry.

Why would they make Kane look through what is essentially two "masks"? That's just cruel. No, Kane has talked about how the mask was attached to the head so he couldn't take it off between takes on JGTH which made things extremely difficult for him. That's the fact, jack.

T.M., Esq.

[Jus-X]

The mask was not a separate piece in JGTH.

T.M., Esq.

I know that what was filmed was what you're talking about. But all I have is something I heard, no way to back it up which is why I'm asking someone to help clarify... but wasn't a seen written for Jason to be unmasked and a seperated hood/mask was created but never used? That's what I heard, but it was from a fan and not from the lips of anyone on the JGTH project.

[jasonsfury]

It's not. Sorry.
That's the fact, jack.

T.M., Esq.

Who's that? ;)

Interesting what you mention about the hockey mask being attached to the head of the costume. So, do you think that a seperate hockey mask was ever created? Curious on your thoughts.

[The Tall Man]

Justyn, nobody has mentioned as such in the interviews I've read or watched. Cunningham sure as hell wasn't going to pay for anything they didn't need. Hell, he wouldn't even bother fixing Jason's eye.

**Kane gets his first look at the Jason makeup**
<Kane> You got the wrong eye in there, boys.
<KNB> Oh... well we'll try and fix it. Talk to Sean.
<Sean> We're not spending any more time fixing that. Nobody gives a shit which eye is the good one, Kane.

That is a true exchange, by the way.

Fury, it would appear not from all the evidence.

T.M., Esq,

[Jus-X]

**Kane gets his first look at the Jason makeup**
<Kane> You got the wrong eye in there, boys.
<KNB> Oh... well we'll try and fix it. Talk to Sean.
<Sean> We're not spending any more time fixing that. Nobody gives a shit which eye is the good one, Kane.

That is a true exchange, by the way.


And I believe that. Kane will always be a favorite of mine because he believes in the character and gives the character so much substance... it's like he knows Jason (well, to an extent) enough to say which eye is Jason's good eye.

But of course, Jason wouldn't run or kick a dog or anything. :shifty:

[jasonsfury]

Fury, I don't care who put it out or what their source is, that is not what Jason looks like under the mask in JGTH. What KNB did-- and they DID make those, no doubt about it--was of their own volition. It was never meant to be used for the movie. As I said, for shits and giggles. One of them said so themselves. Nicatero I think.

The best approximation of Jason's face under the mask was the face of the adult hellbaby cut from the final print of the movie. Please don't spread the idea that Jason's skull was supposed to be exposed in JGTH. It's just not true.

T.M., Esq.

Here is what I was looking for. This is what I was trying to say. Here is Kane without the hockey mask on. Makeup is being applied to his eye to match the skin tone. Notice that the skull indeed is part of the cowl. In the skull portion of the cowl you will notice the black mesh in the eye socket. That is how Kane could see through that part of the mask without seeing his eye. However, in the film, you can see Kane's eye through the mesh in the scene where Jason is staring at himself in the mirror at Diana's house.

I was told by Bill Hunt, a member of the effects crew, that the image you see here is from the promotional appearance thought to be for the Mark and Brian radio show in L.A.. However, the same exact suit and makeup appliance was used on set for the film as well.

The leather strap for the hock was permanently attached to the cowl, which you can see in this pic as well. Then the hock was attached by the metal snaps located on the cowl, also noticeable in the pic.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7tizc1hRNfg/TaULdR5NkOI/AAAAAAAAA_8/817l5_ABiRA/s1600/JGTH_KANE_Undermask_Exposed_water.jpg



This is something I don't know and would like to ask-- wasn't Jason's whole costume a full body rubber suit similar to a Godzilla costume that Kane climbed into and then he put on his wardrobe over it? I know I've seen the photos of "Jason nude", but what I'm not 100% on is if the head was makeup or if it was a part of that suit that Kane wore like a mask.

The cowl was a seperate piece that was attached to the body suit via velcro. The body suit zipped up from the back and the hands were seperate pieces as well.

[The Tall Man]

I want a picture from the set of the film cause Kane has always said he couldn't take the mask off like you're showing here. Promotional events don't cut it with me. I mean when Jason went on Arsenio for Part 8, his clothes looked grey-blue for crying out loud. Hell, Kane could very well be wearing one of KNB's made up masks just for this promotional event. I want some clarification because if this is true, Kane's been lying to us about it.

Also, Jason's clothes look very different here than in the film. He's never that stained.

T.M., Esq.

[jasonsfury]

I want a picture from the set of the film cause Kane has always said he couldn't take the mask off like you're showing here. Promotional events don't cut it with me. I mean when Jason went on Arsenio for Part 8, his clothes looked grey-blue for crying out loud. Hell, Kane could very well be wearing one of KNB's made up masks just for this promotional event. I want some clarification because if this is true, Kane's been lying to us about it.

Also, Jason's clothes look very different here than in the film. He's never that stained.

T.M., Esq.

I don't think Kane has been lying. From what I have been told by multiple people, once the hock was attached to the snaps on the cowl, the top of the hock was then slid under the flaps of skin that hang off of the top of the cowl, to give the appearance of Jason's head growing over the hock. Then an adhesive was applied between the flaps and the hock. All of this kept the mask in place for filming. So, this would keep Kane from taking the mask off. Plus, with Kane wearing gloves that were attached to the body suit, it would make it even harder.

I know it is hard to believe something that is completely different from what you thought was correct for all of these years, but the proof is in the picture. This picture and information comes directly from one person that worked on the film. I am sure I can find an on set pic too if you would like ....

[Jus-X]

I am sure I can find an on set pic too if you would like ....

In every single debate I've ever had with Tally, no matter how much proof you have he'll never cave in. He'll ask for pics, you provide him, he'll ask for workprints or pics from onset or whatever.

I would like to see the pic, so post it for me... but I guaran-damn-tee Tally still won't believe it.

Nothing but love for you Tally, but it's true. ;)