WWE General Discussion 2

[The Dark Vampire]

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The old had over 800 posts so I thought it was time for a new one

[Brett H.]

Previous Thread (http://www.f13community.com/board/showthread.php?t=84)

The old had over 800 posts so I thought it was time for a new one


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[Violent VictiM]

I enjoy wrestling more now than I have in years.

[kiss_armyman1]

In certain parts of that video, Vince looks like a , Norman Bates grade Psycho! LOL

[The Dark Vampire]

It seems there might be some tension right now between WWE Chairman Vince McMahon and former WWE superstar Shawn Michaels. According to Dave Meltzer, McMahon recently made the call to have the announcers no longer mention Michaels on air and for there to be no footage of him shown on WWE television. Reports are circulating that the reasoning behind this was that Michaels was very unhappy about the Bryan Danielson situation. It's also believed that McMahon is upset that HBK decided to call time on his wrestling career, as McMahon felt there was still more years left in the tank. Michaels is said to be very distanced from having any involvement with wrestling at this point.
Credit>F4WOnline.com

Even if this is true I can't see them falling out for long

[kiss_armyman1]

Credit>F4WOnline.com

Even if this is true I can't see them falling out for long

Leave it to Vinnie Mac to , to disrespect ,one of the guys that made him rich, and kept his crappy ass company from going under!! Par for course.

[The Dark Vampire]

- A member of the WWE Universe site posted earlier today that the WWE would be getting a new logo. He claimed that he knew this because of a friend of his who works in production with WWE. He posted photos of himself with numerous WWE wrestlers and backstage at WWE events to try and prove his story. Along with that he posted the photos below that he claims are of the new logo
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I'll be honest to me that looks like a photoshop so I doubt it real but it wouldn't shock me if WWE did come with a new logo sooner or later

[kiss_armyman1]

Credit>Gerweck.Net
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http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/247/fd6eeee173f422bce1bfadf.jpg

I'll be honest to me that looks like a photoshop so I doubt it real but it wouldn't shock me if WWE did come with a new logo sooner or later

I think it looks pretty decent . I'm getting tired of the old attitude logo.

[Kat]

^ That is what I wished they would have gone with back when they changed their name. They should have just changed the F to an E

[FinalBeyond]

It'd be better if the E was properly linked to the other letters, rather than off to the side, but it's nice that they're getting a redesign.

Also: Given that Shawn Michaels' new Twitter mentions hanging out with 'the boss' backstage at the latest Raw, it seems that the reports about him and McMahon are 'newz', as the WC forums put it.

[The Dark Vampire]

WWE Diva Tiffany (Taryn Terrell) was suspended by World Wrestling Entertainment earlier this week after an incident in San Jose, California at the hotel WWE had booked talents into, according to numerous sources within the company.

The incident, which WWE sources claim was a domestic issue between Terrell and husband Drew McIntryre, led to police being called to the scene. We have conflicting reports over whether Terrell was arrested by the San Jose PD. PWInsider.com is awaiting a return call from the San Jose Police Department's Public Affairs office.

Terrell, who was scheduled to wrestle this Sunday at the Summerslam PPV, was sent home by WWE management after the incident, according to two separate sources.

WWE has not publicly acknowledged the suspension or any potential change to the PPV as I write this.



Credit>PWInsider.

I can't see how taking her out of the PPV will do much harm as she sucks but so do the rest of the divas in the match.

[The Dark Vampire]

Pictures of the New WWE Tag Team Championship Titles

http://wrestlingsuperstore.com/images/products/detail/WWERep_TT_Unified_Whole.png

Not sure if I like it or not could be worse I guess

[nottidelterrore]

I'm not liking the new tag belts a whole lot. I liked the two sets of tag belts being carried around a lot better.

[Special Killa B]

Looks like the same moron that created the Diva's Championship and the ECW Championship made the new Tag Titles. Maybe I'm too old fashioned but whatever happened to the titles of the old days that had color in them? Not just one plain color like all silver (ECW) and now this all Bronze tag titles.

[pa®tci]

At least they have some personality. I like 'em, though. Hope hey change the (ex) spinner and IC title soon as well.

But mostly - they need tag teams to defend 'em. At one point in WWE there were more tag team titles than tag teams...

[jasonlives13]

What the hell spartan helmets?

[Denzil]

What the hell spartan helmets?

I know, i think that looks kinda lame.

[FinalBeyond]

Doesn't look amazing up close, but being carried around on Raw, I thought they looked pretty classy.

[The Dark Vampire]

Creative plans as of Monday night was for WWE to unify all of its championships within the next year. There would be one World Championship, one Tag Team Championship, the Intercontinental Championship, and one Women's title. It is said that a WWE/World Title Unification Match will take place at next year's WrestleMania."
Credit>http://www.prowrestlingscoops.com/index.php?page=headlines

I would support this if true I do think WWE needs only 1 WWE Champion 1 women's/Divas and 1 set of Tag Team Champions who work both brands.

However I do think each show should have it's own Mid Card Championship so the IC and US both should be kept on.

[FinalBeyond]

I think it's nonsense. Consolidating certain titles makes sense. Tag teams can go on one brand, Divas on another. Makes the brands more unique, and means there's less duplication. However, they have way too many main-event superstars to consider unifying the world titles and so forth. And the IC/US titles are good for elevating wrestlers.

[Special Killa B]

I think if they unify the World Titles, that may be a mistake. Reason being:

1) Too many main eventers. Let's see if you put both shows together there would be Cena, Orton, Trips, Sheamus, Undertaker, Edge, Jericho, Kane, Mysterio, Punk and Big Show. Now not all of these guys belong in the main event I'm just using them as an example because all above mentioned have main evented and held a world title in the past.

2) The World Title I think would lose all credibility because the WWE would then be trading the title back and forth off different wrestlers during the whole year. And you would never see that one solid guy hold the title for 6 months or more because of the over load of main eventers.

3) This would destroy any kind of a push for the up and comers like Morrison, Kingston, Christian, The Miz (yes I said The Miz, I think he would be a great world champion cause he has what it takes in the ring and on the mic!) They deserve a shot with the title in the future but that would take away the limelight of the other top dogs.

[The Dark Vampire]

According to The Wrestling Observer the main event for Wrestlemaina 27 will be

Sheamus vs. The Undertaker, in a title unification match.

[Brett H.]

Wow, and if they thought WM26 sold poorly imagine when the buyrate for that crap comes in. :X

[The Dark Vampire]

WWE officials are indeed open to turning John Cena heel. Officials realize that they don’t have anything that hot right now for WrestleMania 27. The idea of turning Cena heel has been around for years but discussion about it has never gotten far because Vince McMahon always turns it down for business reasons.

The Miz vs. Cena is being discussed for WrestleMania but if Cena turns heel before then, obviously that match would be off the books.
credit>wrestling observer newsletter

Is it about time Cena turned heel I'm not sure it will happen as Cena is the biggest merchandise cash cow WWE has right now

Plus if they are going to turn him maybe a turn at WM will be he best way

[nottidelterrore]

I'd love for Cena to turn heel. I dug him when he was the heel rapper. His raps were pretty hilarious.

[The Dark Vampire]

If they are going to unify the titles i wonder how they will do it as The Royal Rumble winner gets the title match.

I think they will either have to turn it into a triple threat or the Royal Rumble winner will somehow win the title at The Elimination Chamber then go on to challenge for the other title at WM.

[Darth Reaper]

According to The Wrestling Observer the main event for Wrestlemaina 27 will be

Sheamus vs. The Undertaker, in a title unification match.- The Dark Vampire

Eh, Taker would make it good, maybe not a 4 star match but at least entertaining.

As far as the Heavyweight title goes, there's a part of me that thinks they should unify it. I can't help but feel like both titles mean less right now because there are two of them. In order for something to be the ultimate prize it has to be the only one.

If they do unify the title, whoever carries it should appear on both brands since he'd be the flagship of the whole company.

As for main eventers, personally I think there isn't enough variety right now. The same three or four guys fight for the titles all the time, with very little change. They need to mix things up more. It's supposed to be the ultimate prize so everyone should be out to get it. Not everyone can hold it, but it should look like everyone's competing for it.

[The Dark Vampire]

If they do unify all the titles I don't think the IC or US should be at worse they should just drop one title down a level (the US likely as the IC has more WWE history) and have it at the old European/TV title sorta level

[pa®tci]

Dunno where to put this - HBK in Twitter:
I just slammed my thumb in my truck door. OUCH!! Had 2 no sell 4 my lil girl. I hate the no sell. It hurts 4 heavens sake:-)

:lmao: !OWNED! :lmao:

[nottidelterrore]

He should've over sold it like he did against Hogan at Summerslam 2005.

[The Dark Vampire]

- Dave Meltzer has confirmed that World Wrestling Entertainment has made an offer to Brock Lesnar to face The Undertaker at WrestleMania.

The news was kept secret from the majority of the creative team, and there has been a lot of talk today with people asking what the latest was.

It's thought that Lesnar will not be saying anything publicly for at least two weeks.
Credit>ImpactWrestling.com

[The Dream Master]

It would seem that they're already setting up Taker/Lesnar at WM, if Taker's interview at that recent UFC event is any indication.

[WesReviews]

He should've over sold it like he did against Hogan at Summerslam 2005.

:lmao: Shawn Michaels and Curt Hennig could make it look like ANYONE had a good match. Hogan included.

[Special Killa B]

:lmao: Shawn Michaels and Curt Hennig could make it look like ANYONE had a good match. Hogan included.

Hahahaha I remember Curt Hennig would always over sell the whip into the turn buckle. He'd crash back first then some how end up flipping head over heels over the ropes and to the floor grabbing his back in pain. :lmao:

[Darth Reaper]

It'd be really cool if Kane could at least take the World Heavyweight Championship to Wrestlemania, and conquer a few more opponents along the way. But, at least half of this probably isn't going to happen. At least he's been given a chance to be a real champion this time, and he's finally managed to get a couple over on big bro Taker.

[The Dark Vampire]

On a related note, a crazy rumor of sorts made it’s way to me this weekend, claiming that the proposed Orlando Thrill Park may actually have some kind of possible tie to the proposed WWE Hall of Fame project also expected to come to Orando. I’m not ready to buy into this idea just yet, but it would be interesting to have all these big crazy thrill rides themed after the WWE legends. But would the 425 foot tall coaster be themed to Andre the Giant or to The Big Show?
(11/13/10) One of our readers who got a closer look at the plans for the Orlando Thrill Park identified a few more rides for us. One was an Intamin Mega-Splash, very much like Perilous Plunge at Knott’s Berry Farm, another was a Chance Revolution flat ride and the most exciting was a Vekoma Stingray coaster, an ultra compact Flyer design with a vertical lift hill. One of the slides also clearly shows off the classic layout of a Vekoma “SLC” Inverted coaster, like The Hangman at Wild Adventuers.
In other local area news, the Orlando Sentinel reports that Orlando may become home to a new attraction… the official WWE Hall of Fame. Considering that the Orlando hosted Wrestlemania a few years ago packed in 75,000 fans to fill the Citrus Bowl, most tourist from out of town, Orlando has a very good chance at this.
Credit>http://www.screamscape.com/html/orlando.htm

Could a WWE Theme Park be a good idea pluswonder what rides they will have?

Plus yeah there is going to be a WWE Hall Of Fame where you can go and see ring gear plus other stuff from past WWE Legends.

I do wonder if WWE picked Orlando for this to try and have a cheap shot at TNA as that is pretty much their base.

[pa®tci]

http://www.j-cena.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/juancena.jpg

:duh:

[Brett H.]

I sort of loved it when Miz won the title how nerds went nuts. If you're pissing off the nerds, you know you're doing the right thing. They should keep the belt on him for a long, long time.

I watched his little Slammy thing and it was great. In the brief time I tried to watch WWE again, he and Jericho were entertaining as hell together.

[The Dream Master]

Just remember boys, Bret The Hitman Hart defeated The Miz in the same calendar year as he won the WWE Championship.

[Just Jeans]

I can't stand the Miz -- his character is vapid -- but I couldn't care less that he has the belt. Championship storylines tend to be the least interesting (especially when Triple H is at the center of it all). I don't know why people are so gaga for title runs.

[nottidelterrore]

I'm not really a fan of the Miz but I don't hate him either. I think he's great at getting heat & is pretty good on the mic. Not the best in the ring but worse guys have held that belt. *coughcenabatistahogan*

[The Dark Vampire]

I didn't used to like him he was bad in the ring and bad on the mic I'm talking diva there for her looks bad but he's really done well I don't mind him as champ though I think he will lose it by WM I don't think he main event enough to headline that just yet.

[The Dark Vampire]

Thanks to Jeremy Wilkins for sending in another eye witness account of the CM Punk/fan altercation which took place at the WWE Raw house show event last night in Shreveport, Louisiana:

"As C.M. Punk was exiting (following his match against Mark Henry), he was shouting at numerous fans at ringside. He approached a family with two small children and began to do the same.

After some lengthy jawing back and forth, he screamed at one of the kids (age 10 or so) to slap him. The child did so. Punk laughed it off and shouted, "Oh yea! Slap me again." At this point, he grabbed the kid by the shirt, thus sending the kid into tears and stretching out his shirt.

This is when it got real serious. Punk and the child's parents had to be separated. As Punk walked off, I could hear him yelling, "He scratched my eye," which was evident by a little bit of swelling.

Security then escorted the family away for questioning. They also questioned a few of us at ringside and requested contact numbers.

It will be interesting to see if Punk shows any effects from this. I thought this was instigated by Punk, but with that being said, fans should never place their hands on a Superstar."

Credit>wrestlezone.com

Now Punk is my current 2nd fave behind Undertaker however in this case he is in the wrong if you are a heel and one of the top heels at that (especially after you have taken out the favourite guy) you can not ask a 10 year old fan to slap you not once but twice then get all pissed off and grab them when they do.

[The Dark Vampire]

WWE wrestler The Great Khali — real name Dalip Singh — and his bodyguard were involved in a shooting at the home of a senior Indian politician on Friday, according to India’s most prestigious 24-hour news channel, Aaj Tak. Three people have been seriously wounded. The former WWE Champion was invited to the home of the Deputy Speaker of the Punjab State Assemby, Mr. Satpal Gosain (BJP), as Mr. Gosain’s grandson is a big fan of Khali.

Local fans had assembled outside Mr. Gosain’s residence in the city of Ludhiana, in anticipation of Khali’s arrival. When Khali arrived with his entourage, the children approached him for autographs and photos. According to Aaj Tak, instead of receiving autographs and photos from the WWE wrestler, they received bullets.

According to eyewitnesses, including the Deputy Speaker’s relatives, Khali’s bodyguard was hostile from the start. His bodyguard shoved children as soon as they tried to approach Khali for a photograph. A few minutes later, he grabbed a boy, and started to beat him. The crowd tried to rescue the boy from the bodyguard’s clutches, and it is alleged that it was at that point that the bodyguard starting shooting into the crowd. Eyewitnesses put the blame squarely on Khali’s bodyguard, who some allege had been drinking alcohol. Aaj Tak reports that the normally fearless Khali immediately fled the scene. Ludhiana police are being silent about the matter thus far, and no charges have been laid.

This is the latest black eye for the WWE in terms of its wrestlers public conduct. Most recently, CM Punk was allegedly involved in a violent altercation with fans in Shreveport, Louisiana, one of them a child, and Alex Riley was booked for driving under the influence of alcohol in Florida.


Credit>http://slam.canoe.ca...sportswrestling

Wow this is a tragic event to happen and whilst I'm not the biggest Khali fan in the world he's not to blame for this but I bet he will have to take some kind of punishment for it maybe even lose his WWE job.

What a lot of people don't know is that he a a huge star in India I'm talking A Lister in fact when he was a heel in WWE they edited out anything he did bad in the India version to make him come across more of a face and that was a big reason for his face turn.

I hope the people who got hurt are Ok and the Bodyguard pays for what he did

[SoulOnFire]

Is Dolph Ziggler's theme really performed by Cage9? That's my friend's band! Something I was not aware of.

[Spaced Out Ace]

This is sorta off topic but I miss the days when Mr. Perfect, Ravishing Rick Rude, Ultimate Warrior, Hulk Hogan, Ted Dibiase, Macho Man Randy Savage, Bret Hart and Jake the Snake Roberts were stars, and Shawn Michaels and The Undertaker were just starting out. /nostalgia

[The Dark Vampire]

Whoooa Nellie! When Brands Go Horribly Wrong: Psst--Vince McMahon and the WWE Are No Longer In the Wrestling Business. Publicist Alerts the Media.

If you are a boy baby boomer of a certain age, and grew up in the Los Angeles area, like I did, one of your fondest memories of TV as a kid was watching Dick Lane and wrestling on KTLA live from the Olympic Auditorium in downtown L.A.

Lane’s signature call was “Whooooa Nellie” as he watched some wrestler like Freddie Blassie climb up on the ropes and post of the ring and leap down, stomping another wrestler, or at least seeming to. I remember that tag team matches were my favorites. Reading a blog by Ed Fuentes remembering Lane, it reminded me that he was also endlessly promoting pro wrestling and urging us viewers to attend the matches live.

As a kid getting into almost daily fights and getting stomped by my older brother, wrestling on TV as narrated by Lane was mesmerizing.

If you grew up in New York I guess the equivalent experience was watching Dennis James announce wrestling on TV.

In the book about TV called “The Box” by Jeff Kisseloff, James talked about his days announcing wrestling: “When I went to my first wrestling match, I said, ‘I can’t play this straight.’ Yet, I had to find some happy medium so that the wrestlers wouldn’t hate my guts, so I added sound effects. If a guy was twisting another guy’s leg, I had a crackle bone that I would twist. If he pulled on his trunks, I would tear a window shade. I got hold of a slide whistle when they went up and down. I did one whole wrestling match in rhyme: ‘They’re out of the ring, but now they’re back, and when they do, two heads will crack.’ ”

Most of the wrestlers knew they needed to develop outlandish personalities to distinguish themselves for the TV audience.

Noted one observer in “The Box,” talking about a wrestler from those early days of TV named George Wagner, “When he wrestled as George Wagner he wasn’t a drawing card. Then he came up with Gorgeous George, and television made him a star.”

Another wrestler from those early days, Lou Thesz, remembers in “The Box” that Gorgeous George “got a lot of what we call in the business ‘heat,’ a big response from women. After that, a lot of guys took it upon themselves to come up with some kind of gimmick, like Farmer Jones, who would enter the ring with his pig. I wouldn’t wrestle on the same card with girl wrestlers or midgets or when some idiot brought in a bear, because then you are guilty by association--although I did train a kid who wrestled a bear in Tennessee and kicked the hell out of that bear. He was booked with that bear about a week later. The bear [was in the ring] and saw the kid coming, and it left. The bear remembered him.”

While wrestling never really disappeared from the nation’s airwaves, it didn’t hit a second golden age until Vince McMahon and his World Wrestling Federation (later called World Wrestling Entertainment, or WWE) made it bigger than it had ever been, primarily by taking what had been a local phenomenon and making it national. Many say the event that marked professional wrestling’s great comeback was WrestleMania in 1985 and the appearance of a WWF wrestler named Hulk Hogan. That, in turn, led to the boom of WWF (and later, WWE) shows on national TV, from ‘’Smackdown” to “Raw.”

I hadn’t given the WWE much thought lately when we here at TVWeek received a press release the other day that we wrote up and published as follows:

Drew Carey Inducted Into Pro Wrestling Hall of Fame. Huh? Drew Carey??!!

Comedic actor and game show host Drew Carey is the newest member of the WWE Hall of Fame.

According to the WWE, "Carey established his place in WWE history as a surprise entrant in the 2001 Royal Rumble. However, Carey’s fortunes quickly turned, when the massive WWE Superstar Kane entered the ring, prompting Carey to eliminate himself from the match."

The announcement adds, "The WWE Hall of Fame induction ceremony...will take place at the Philips Arena [in Atlanta] on Saturday, April 2, and the one-hour TV special will air Monday, April 4, at 8/7c on USA Network."

Next thing I know, I’ve received an email from one Kellie Baldyga, a publicist for WWE, DEMANDING that we correct the story. She also copied our owner, Rance Crain, on the email.

What had drawn her ire was the headline. Baldyga wrote in her email, “We are no longer a wrestling company but rather a global entertainment company with a movie studio, international licensing deals, publisher of three magazines, consumer good distributor and more.”

No doubt WWE is into more things than just wrestling, which is its bread and butter, I thought, but this can’t really be a big deal. I was busy and emailed her I’d call her the next day, which was yesterday, March 17.

First thing yesterday morning I received this email from her: “Chuck, did you mean call me today (Thursday)? I apologize but I really need the correction made sooner than later if possible…”

As regular readers to this blog may recall, for most of my career as a journalist I haven’t gotten along with most publicists. Most of them don’t like me, and I don’t have patience for many publicists.

Baldyga was beginning to bother me. First, our headline was perfectly fine and accurate. Second, what was this “demand” about changing OUR headline?

I called her and introduced myself. The conversation then basically went as follows:

Me: Your release says that Carey is being recognized as being an entrant in the 2001 Royal Rumble. I believe that was a wrestling event.

Kellie: No, we don't do wrestling events. They're entertainments. And we don’t call them wrestlers. They’re superstars and divas.

I’m thinking to myself, is she kidding me? Is this woman mad? The company’s official name is World Wrestling Entertainment, Inc. Its crown jewel is an event called WrestleMania. In the best tradition of wrestling on TV since its earliest days, they put on terrific shows (and events), with athletes who are performers and they’ve got storylines that are far more elaborate than any Gorgeous George and Freddie Blassie would have ever imagined. Why would they want to run away from who they are, from what’s made them wildly successful beyond most people’s dreams?

Me: Kellie, I really don't have time for this. WWE presents wrestling events. I'm not going to change the headline or anything in the item. If you'd like, I'll just remove it.

Kellie: Huh? What?

Me: Kellie, I don't have time for this. What do you want me to do?

Kellie: Remove it.

So I did.

Kellie sent me a follow-up email saying “I hope nothing was contentious in our conversation…” She added, “I know the perception is that we are a wrestling company but we are actually much more than that--we are a global media company which is how our Chairman and CEO, Vince McMahon, positions us.”

Whatever. Take away wrestling from WWE and what do you basically have? I don't think WWE is quite as diverse as global media companies such as News Corp. or Time Warner or Viacom, but what do I know.

As I went to sleep last night I kept thinking about what I had read in Ed Fuentes' remembrance about wrestling in L.A., and hearing Dick Lane’s voice in my head from decades ago: “Call Richmond 95171. That's Richmond 95171 to reserve your tickets now!! Whoooa Nellie!"
Credit>http://www.tvweek.com

I guess Vince really is getting embarrassed to be in the wrestling business

[Darth Sinister]

I think it's less that and more that Vince is trying to make his company into something more than it is. He's trying to make WWE seem different from TNA, ROH and all the former companies like WCW and ECW. If you just call it wrestling, then people see it as nothing more than that. Creative marketing, such as it is, would change public preception. Doesn't help when wrestling on it's own has so many black eyes.

[WesReviews]

Wow, that is one of the most pathetic things I've ever read. Vince is going to screw around and kill the golden goose. Frankly, it probably needs to happen.

[The Dream Master]

I can't wait to see Rock and Cena at Entertainmentmania 28 next year.

[WesReviews]

I can't wait to see Rock and Cena at Entertainmentmania 28 next year.

Presented by WEE. World Entertainment Entertainment.

[The Dark Vampire]

WWE announced today that the organization would no longer be referred as World Wrestling Entertainment due to Vince McMahon's decree to eliminate the term "wrestling" from the product. The company will be solely branded as WWE.Here is the press release from WWE:

To better reflect the company's global entertainment offerings, World Wrestling Entertainment, Inc. (NYSE: WWE) announced today a new business model for future growth, including formally rebranding itself, WWE.

Two key components to WWE's brand expansion will be the active pursuit to acquire entertainment content companies and the outsourcing of WWE's core competencies – television and film production, live event production and licensing. As part of the new business model, the company will also focus on the development of new television products including scripted, non-scripted and animated programs, as well as the launch of a new WWE network in the next 12-18 months. The first new program of the brand expansion is Tough Enough, WWE's non-scripted program that debuted on the USA Network on Monday.

"The new business model of the company better reflects what WWE is all about, being a global entertainment company," stated Vince McMahon, Chairman and CEO, WWE. "We will always be loyal to our core business that made WWE a globally known entity, however, the future of WWE will be the addition of new entertainment content opportunities beyond the ring."

This new rebranding initiative will be highlighted through a national consumer and business-to-business advertising campaign entitled "Bigger. Badder. Better.™" The campaign kicked off at WrestleMania® XXVII on Sunday and will be featured on cable TV, print and online.

In addition to focusing on the expansion of the company, the company will bolster its core business with the launch a new talent development department headed by Paul "Triple H" Levesque. The new department will put a greater emphasis on worldwide recruitment, training and character development to identify future WWE Superstars and Divas. The first recruit acquired under Levesque's new department was the signing last month of future WWE Superstar, Sin Cara, formerly known worldwide as Mistico.
Credit>WWE Corporate

[Darth Sinister]

Okay, I retract my earlier statement. Though it explains why the Rock didn't use the phrase "In sports and entertainment". I suppose our first clue was when Vince first began quoting his response to Ted Turner after he had bought WCW years ago.

[The Dark Vampire]

There are major changes in store for the company. We’ll have more on this next week, but Vince McMahon is attempting to change the company from a wrestling company, or sports entertainment company, to an entertainment company that goes beyond the scope of wrestling. To do so, in what may be his final act, he said he is going to go on a spending spree and buy entertainment properties. He noted that he was going into debt financing to make these purchases. WWE has never tried to use debt leverage, which is how the UFC is financed. This greatly changes the future of the company. WWE may have been in a position where the growth may be limited in the future because of the lack of finding that next Rock or Steve Austin, but its future for a number of years was very secure due to cash on hand and running a business with so many revenue streams that it has remained strongly profitable even at times when the product didn’t fully connect. But instead of going with a pat fairly stable hand, Vince is going to gamble and go into non-wrestling related businesses. His track record in those businesses is not good, but perhaps he feels he’s learned. Among the things he’s talked about is outsourcing the company’s production team, and doing the television station which had been known. The one immediate thing going into debt for purchases and spending the large amount of cash on hand will force the company to drop its huge dividend.

Credit>The Observer

Not really sure what to say on this but if this goes wrong for him he and WWE could end up bankrupt on the other hand if it goes right he may make more than ever before.

Plus Vince's final act he is going to retire if this goes good or not?

[The Dream Master]

Man, he can't even get wrestling right; what makes him think he'll be able to do anything else successfully?

[pa®tci]

MAJOR spoiler about Christian and the WHC:

At Tuesday night’s WWE SmackDown tapings from the Amway Center in Orlando, Florida – Randy Orton defeated Christian to become the new World Heavyweight champion.

The match was made earlier in the night after Teddy Long let the fans decide Christian’s opponent between Orton, The Great Khali and Mark Henry.


FUCK YOU VINCE! FUCK YOU WWE! YOU FUCKING GREEDY BASTARDS! DIE IN SHITS!!!

[Violent VictiM]

Shane should buy TNA like, for real not a ratings thing, and go head to head with Vince. Or, even if Vince decides to stay in cahoots, they should make TNA like the 'Atittude' era, and leave WWE for the children's and such. TNA of course having the lesser talent, but at least the production quality. Remake WCW, pretty much.. is what I'm saying.

[Darth Sinister]

TNA is already a remake of WCW. Just at the shitty level of the last year it was in business.

[nottidelterrore]

MAJOR spoiler about Christian and the WHC:

At Tuesday night’s WWE SmackDown tapings from the Amway Center in Orlando, Florida – Randy Orton defeated Christian to become the new World Heavyweight champion.

The match was made earlier in the night after Teddy Long let the fans decide Christian’s opponent between Orton, The Great Khali and Mark Henry.


FUCK YOU VINCE! FUCK YOU WWE! YOU FUCKING GREEDY BASTARDS! DIE IN SHITS!!!

That is so fucking lame. They don't even give the guy a chance. I love Orton but let someone else have the belt for awhile. Sheesh.

[The Dark Vampire]

As noted before, WWE creative team member Michael Hayes will debut as Tyson Kidd's manager on this week's WWE Superstars. WWE had meetings recently and talked about reviving the manager role for some of their heels who can't talk on the microphone at the main event level.
Credit>Wrestling Observer Newsletter

Well if this is the case I'm happy I think one thing WWE has been missing is managers in the past they have really helped a wrestler who may not be so good on the mic get over.

Even some wrestlers who can talk could use a manager if they can be put into a stable the likes of Rick Rude who could certainly talk was made even better by having Bobby Heenan with him.

[nottidelterrore]

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This whole Punk angle is one of the best things WWE has done in years.

[pa®tci]

^ And they already started to ruin it.


CM Punk surprises Archie at Jimmy Kimmel:
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Hilarious! :D

[pa®tci]

“I’m a Paul Heyman Guy!” CM Punk – 6/27/11 Monday Night Raw.

That one line in Punk’s promo kicked off this whirlwind ride we’re on in the “Summer of Punk” story. This period is being talked about as having lead to resurgence of interest in pro wrestling.

Over the next three days, I’m going to look back at three different periods in 2007 when CM Punk became the center piece of the ECW Brand. These stories will shine a little light on the frustration surrounding Punk’s early run in WWE.

On December 4th, 2006, Paul Heyman left the WWE Creative Team, for the final time. This also meant that for the first time ever, Heyman would not be involved in the creative process of ECW. Stephanie McMahon walked into the writer’s room to tell us Paul would no longer be involved and that I was now in charge of ECW. This was as much news to me as it was the rest of the team. As had happened with Alex Greenfield when he took over Smackdown, I wasn’t talked to about the new position. I wasn’t doing backflips about this because I knew the baggage that came with it. I had run Smackdown for four years before this and knew how Vince and Kevin Dunn viewed ECW. The world saw how they viewed the brand for the five months before this and especially the night before on PPV with December to Dismember.

The PPV from Augusta, GA featuring an Extreme Elimination Chamber match was the least bought WWE PPV in history. The show was handicapped by zero promotion from Raw and Smackdown and being the 2nd WWE PPV in eight days; following Survivor Series. The main purpose of the event was to crown Bobby Lashley as the new flag bearer for ECW. The event had only two matches announced before hand, the Elimination Chamber and the reuniting of MNM vs. The Hardyz. While Lashley was going to be the “man” that night winning the title, there was a pitch by Heyman to have CM Punk and Big Show start the Chamber and for Punk to eliminate the Big Show with the Anaconda Vice. Big Show was behind the idea and felt it was the right move to make. There were a few different long term pitches off of this including Punk vs. RVD at Wrestlemania. Heyman had protected Punk, including making sure his debut match was at the Hammerstein Ballroom. This pitch was meant to establish Punk as the “next” guy after Lashley. If you’ve seen the match, you know this didn’t happen.

The Anaconda Vice became one of the things that the agents picked on Punk for. Vince had mocked Punk in meetings by doing the wrist gesture and even instructed announcers to NOT mention his Muai Thai background. Everything that made Punk unique was questioned and mocked. “Don’t think people can relate to with a character who doesn’t have an occasional beer”, said one agent. In 2006, Vince McMahon looked at Punk and “didn’t get it”. Plus, when you have Paul Heyman pushing heavily for you in that environment – you get the stigma of being a “Paul Heyman Guy”. I had the stigma because I worked with Paul on every run he had on creative from 2002 – 2006. Punk suffered for those sins and that night in December, he did not make the Big Show tap out. The agents who didn’t like him made sure the audience would not get a moment from CM Punk that night; Punk was the first man eliminated in the match.

In under 24 hours, everything about ECW had changed. Heyman was out, Big Show was gone, and I was left with a mess. CM Punk, a lot like ECW, Goldberg, the NWO and especially WCW, were not WWE creations. The track record has shown that Kevin Dunn and Vince McMahon do not support ideas that were not generated inside their bubble. Punk got the tag line of “King of the Indies” and those agents who didn’t like him before Heyman was gone, they were out for blood now.

I’m no Paul Heyman. I won’t ever try to sell you that I’m a genius, instead just a guy who always wants to do the best for the talents and projects I work on. I had a connection with ECW, it’s what kept me excited about the business in 1994 and 1995 when there wasn’t much to be excited about. That spirit of ECW was what we tried to continue in the new ECW, including launching a new star like CM Punk. But I didn’t have an ally, especially a veteran voice, in that agent meeting.

The voices in that meeting room pushed for Hardcore Holly. Now, I am a fan of Hardcore Holly. When Brock Lesnar had broke Holly’s neck, it was Bruce Prichard and I who suggested Holly coming for revenge. (watch here) It was the hottest Holly ever got but he didn’t connect with the audience and they had a forgettable match at the Royal Rumble 2004. Here it was 2007 and the agents were pushing for Holly ahead Punk. In their matches during December and January, Holly beat down Punk in the corner, ignoring the ref’s count and getting disqualified. (watch here) And then Hardcore Holly hands Punk his first loss. (watch here) I had heard rumblings of agents pushing Vince to show Punk the door. ECW started to receive less and less attention and then we had the horrible show in Little Rock in mid-January. The matches were bad, the interviews were bad; the plane flight home from that show was worse. It was the longest flight of my life. The next day I sat down to talk with Stephanie about that flight but more importantly about what I thought ECW needed. I needed a veteran voice to help turn the tide. I needed an ally.

Fast forward to the agent meeting in Houston. Vince McMahon was scheduled to appear on ECW for the first time in the start of a new storyline. He was going to rid ECW of it’s “Original” stars and make the way for a “New Breed”. The meeting quickly turned into another CM Punk bash fest. My role was to run the meeting but dare not speak out of turn on the veteran agents. This was how the previous months meetings had gone but this day was different. It was a new voice in the room that changed everything. “Um, if you don’t like something the kid is doing, why don’t you work with him to fix it… instead of killing him” That voice belonged to Shawn Michaels.

In January of 2007, Shawn Michaels was my consultant on ECW. I was able to get in his input on the shows, thoughts on talents and in this situation the voice needed in that agent meeting. Like getting to work with Paul Heyman, Vince McMahon, Dusty Rhodees, working with Shawn was a dream come true. In that meeting in Houston, Shawn brought up that guys like him and Undertaker will not be around forever and, while everyone liked Holly, it was guys like Punk who were the future. The mood in the room changed, the den of negativity that existed was silenced for the time being. Punk wasn’t pushed strong that week or even the next week but the ship had turned. Punk was positioned better from that point forward.

Shawn Michaels was pulled back into active duty when Triple H was hurt and programmed to face John Cena at Wrestlemania 23. Dusty Rhodes ended up joining me to help book ECW. And CM Punk made Wrestlemania 23 as the only ECW guy in the Money In the Bank Ladder Match.

In that Money In the Bank ladder match, Punk was involved in the finish of the match. He was finger tips away from the briefcase only to have Mr. Kennedy knock him off and grab the case. This was just foreshadowing as Punk did go on to win the Money in the Bank briefcase in back to back years to win his first two World Titles.
Arn Anderson, anyone?

[Darth Sinister]

That explains why Goldberg doesn't want to go back to WWE.

[Biosynthnut v.2]

I read some where don't know where off some link on FB. But WWE isn't bringing back the NWO is it?

[The Dark Vampire]

I read some where don't know where off some link on FB. But WWE isn't bringing back the NWO is it?

They seem to be throwing clues in that direction

Nash used his NWO theme music (a bit modified though)

when he came out he had a shirt on what was close to the 1st time he showed up on Nitro
http://i51.tinypic.com/xofnk5.jpg
and WWE.com did have an article up saying "Are The NWO coming back"

[Darth Sinister]

In fairness to the use of the theme song, it's much better than his old music as Diesel and not as specific as the Wolfpack theme.

[The Dark Vampire]

In fairness to the use of the theme song, it's much better than his old music as Diesel and not as specific as the Wolfpack theme.

Funny enough a lot of people on line wanted Diesel Blues as they wanted him more as Diesel than Kevin Nash
Screw it have him come out to the great Vanilla Ice song "Go Ninja Go Nina Go"
and come out dressed like this
http://www.pwpix.net/images/specials/kevin-nash-super-shredder/gallery1/kevin-nash-super-shredder-2.jpg

Then again this
http://www.nwo4life.com/nwo/nash/vinnie/vinnie-vegas-mini.jpg

or this

http://www.nwo4life.com/nwo/nash/oz/oz01.jpg

would be great

[Darth Sinister]

"I'm not waiting til Wrestlemania 28...

I'm coming to Survivor Series in November and ELECTRIFYING New York City like never before!

TEAM BRING IT - BOOTS TO ASSES."

http://ringsidenews.com/rockcena.jpg

[The Dark Vampire]

that's official to it's from the Rocks Twitter

I'm in 2 minds about this 1 it will be good to see The Rock wrestle but what makes part if his WM match special is that's it (was going to be) his first match in about 8 years I hope they don't put him into to many matches so by the times it comes around we are so used to seeing him it's not special at all any more
ADDED:
|It's been announced on WWE.com that Cena and the Rock will be teaming up in a traditional 5 vs 5 match now lets guess who their team mates and opponents will be I'm unsure about team mates (and I think Team Punk vs Team HHH is also on the cards so they won't be on any of the teams unless plans change )

At this moment for the opposing team I'd guess at Del Rio-Miz and Truth been part of it

[Darth Sinister]

Based off of RAW, I'm betting it'll be team HHH and team Johnny Ace.

[The Dark Vampire]

"The Hardcore legend himself, Mick Foley has returned to WWE at house show which is currently on-going in Dublin, Ireland. He took part in a ring segment with R-Truth and The Miz."

He was then the special ref in the main event:

http://cdn.wrestlingnewssource.com/i/mickfoleyire1.jpg

http://cdn.wrestlingnewssource.com/i/mickfoleyire2.jpg

http://nodq.com/images/foleyreturns2.jpg

I have read that He will back on TV by Survivor Series

[The Dark Vampire]

New WWE logo

http://cdn.whatculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/wwenetworklogo.jpg

It could just be for the network but more likely is for all of WWE

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

What the hell is THAT? That logo is...horrid.

[Denzil]

That logo sucks so much.

[Dogmatic Insanity]

Kane return promo from last night:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9BMSJy0IZw

A link to a Youtube channel appeared during Swagger's entrance last night. The video says that someone else is returning on the 1-2-12 Raw. Who could it be?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxGkXIphAHw

[The Dark Vampire]

It seems very Undertaker like

[Kat]

I'd prefer that they went back to their old school one from the early 90's to that thing. WWE, you need to fire your graphic designer.

[The Dark Vampire]

Sin Cara's latest shirt has been pulled by WWE after they noticed a slight error in it

http://www.prowrestling.net/artman/uploads/1/SinCara.jpg

[The Dark Vampire]

The WWE Championship has a storied history as diverse as the iconic Superstars that have carried it into battle. Such an incredible symbol of excellence requires a look that will once again reflect the stand-out grapplers who have risen to the top of the WWE mountain.

WWE.com joins the call of the WWE Universe on Facebook and Twitter, pleading for the WWE to abandon the current “Spinner Title” design and return to the pride and tradition radiated by past WWE Titles.

The WWE Title carried to ring today was created specifically for John Cena, reflecting a time when The Cenation Commander-in-Chief was rapping his way through SmackDown. However, while Cena has long since traded in the giant chain around his neck for dog tags, the Spinner design is still “kicking it old school.” Shouldn’t it have long since gone the direction of other classic personalized titles like Edge’s Rated-R Superstar Spinner modification and “Stone Cold” Steve Austin’s “Smoking Skull” Championship?

If a change is required, there is no shortage of prestigious replacements from which to pick. Looking back through the annals of WWE history, the Winged Eagle Title has to be at the forefront. First introduced for the epic rematch between Hulk Hogan and Andre the Giant on The Main Event in '88, this awe-inspiring prize instantly rose to prominence, walking hand-in-hand with WWE elite from “Macho Man” Randy Savage to Bret “Hit Man” Hart to The Undertaker.

Still, the sheer popularly of the Winged gold does not make it the only brass ring in the sea. Another earth-shattering possibility would be its Attitude Era cousin, featuring a variation of the Eagle, along with a more circular structure similar to the traditional championship, a bigger globe and the larger “Champion” on the bottom.

Not only was the Attitude Era Title carried by greats including The Rock, “Stone Cold” Steve Austin and a slew of other tremendous champions, but bringing back a symbol of WWE’s period of uncontrollable bedlam is truly befitting of the rebellious nature of the current titleholder CM Punk.

Some variation of the WWE Undisputed Championship design might make a comeback. Sporting a classy black and gold layout, this celebrated title made famous by legends like the late Eddie Guerrero screams elite and dignified all at the same time.

Other classic treasures, such as the 1986 Hulk Hogan WWE Title – which he carried into battle for the majority of his legendary first reign in the ’80s – also deserves consideration.

There is enormous glory embedded in past incarnations of WWE’s most coveted prize. So please, stop the collective head of the WWE Universe from spinning and bring back any WWE Title design other than the current title!
Credit>WWE.com

I have read a few times over the past few weeks WWE is going to change the WWE championship design apparently even Cena has said he has wanted it changed for a few years now and it's not like it even suits his character/gimmick anymore

[nottidelterrore]

I wish WWF would've done more with Taka Michinoku.

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[The Dark Vampire]

I don't know he was EVIL after all

[WesReviews]

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Gotta side with the Sheik on this one. Way not cool, Jake.

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

I wish WWF would've done more with Taka Michinoku.

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[sooners4life98]

Credit>WWE.com

I have read a few times over the past few weeks WWE is going to change the WWE championship design apparently even Cena has said he has wanted it changed for a few years now and it's not like it even suits his character/gimmick anymore

I would be happy and excited if they brought back an older version of the WWE Championship. I didn't really care for the spinner even when Cena did have his rapping gimmick.

[Ron]

I never really cared for specialty belts be it the spinner or the smoking skull belt for the days of Stonecold.

[The Dark Vampire]

Does anybody else think that by this time next year The Miz will be a face he's got a good gimmick and the fans are already dying to cheer him they are already chanting along to his "Awesome" catchphrase. and gets some cheers no matter who he goes up against.


Plus his story is classic babyface he was a guy who had dream to become a wrestler got his start but wasn't very good to the point where everybody acknowledged it from the fans to other wrestlers (both face & heel) to the announcers (again both face & heel).

So dug his boots in tried his very best because good then better and then winning the WWE Championship.

I'd also like to see how Cole would turn on him

[WesReviews]

Wrestler Brutus Beefcake is planning to take legal action against Hulk Hogan's ex-wife after she alleged the two fighters had a sexual relationship.

Hogan filed a defamation lawsuit against Linda Bollea last week after she accused him of being violent and engaging in homosexual encounters.

Beefcake, real name Edward Leslie, has now taken legal action and instructed his lawyer to draw up a lawsuit against Bollea.

He tells TMZ.com, "I've known (Linda) for almost 40 years... but when she starts trying to ruin our careers, it just aint fair. Hulk is a tremendous person... a great man who deserves to be happy."

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/783063/steelcage_medium.jpg

http://cdn.lastangryfan.com/wp-content/uploads/hoganbeefcake.jpg

[The Dark Vampire]

New Cena shirts on sale at WWE Houseshow

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwdk04P6Cn1qgy87eo1_500.jpg

[WesReviews]

I remember in the late 90s/early 2000s, it was heavily rumored that Vince was putting together a new Demolition tag team. Does anyone else remember these rumors? Who was supposed to be the new faces of Demolition?

[Brett H.]

Word on the street is Randy Orton failed his third medicine test.

[Violent VictiM]

Shitty. :(

[The Dream Master]

Sheiky baby told him to use in the moderation, but Orton is the no good motherfucker.

[Deathscythe]

I'm glad Kane is masked again, I think I would start watching again if I actually had cable.

[The Dark Vampire]

Just watching some old WWE DVD's (More Royal Rumbles really) and Tito Santana and The Model Rick Martel (after the brake up of Strike Force) seemed to have a feud what went on for years and years but never went anywhere no big time matches on PPV no blow off they even feuded with other people while still having theirs on the side.

I don't know why they were both still employed neither were in trouble (for example the reason The Rockers feud never got the pay off is Marty kept getting suspended) so there was no real reason never just to have just one big blow off match to end it all.

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

DAMN.
http://cdn.sescoops.com/wp-content/uploads/StephPrego.jpg

http://cdn.sescoops.com/wp-content/uploads/1114.jpg

[The Dream Master]

Somewhere, Manwards faps into oblivion.

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

Somewhere, Manwards faps into oblivion.

But...to which version of Steph?

[The Dark Vampire]

Yeah those pics have been floating around a few weeks now it's lead some to believe that Steph is indeed the "She" referenced to in the Jericho videos and she will be returning to WWE TV very soon

[pa®tci]

Kevin Nash has challenged Ultimate Warrior to a fight.

Ultimate took a shot at Kevin Nash this week on his Twitter. When asked by a fan why Warrior doesn’t dye his hair and have another run in WWE like Kevin Nash, Warrior replied:

“I’m not a dickhead who thrives on stealing the limelight from young guys.”

Nash tweeted the following on Wednesday night, issuing a challenge to a 3-round MMA fight with $100,000 on the line:

“Never realized I had a problem with Jim (Warrior). Seemed to get along fine in Scottsdale. Come on my clown, turn that frown upside down. A true warrior never turns down a challenge. Put up a 100K. I’ll do the same. 3 rounds. mma rules. winner take all. I’m talking shoot, not sports entertainment. Jim Hellwig needs to put up or shut the f**k up. Day before Mania in Miami area. Warrior will have to pass all hiv and hep a b and c tests. I’ll do the same. I’m tired of this guy talking sh** about the boys & me. When they stop it or you tap, i’ll quit, or you can apologize like the c**t you are.”

UPDATE: Gabe Spolsky has posted the following on Twitter:

“@UltimateWarrior @RealKevinNash if you guys want to beat each other up we’ll gladly let you do it in DGUSA. We have show in Miami on 3/31″
This would be a blast. :D

[WesReviews]

Only if the special guest referee is this guy...

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQDXJ92hcptWhbnSr8pDVDy9uQ0ef-rjMzAe6bnBD0d4oVMREIMgwpCbDMgrA

[nottidelterrore]

Only if the special guest referee is this guy...

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQDXJ92hcptWhbnSr8pDVDy9uQ0ef-rjMzAe6bnBD0d4oVMREIMgwpCbDMgrA

Haha Morton's head would explode. The usage of the word "shit" would be immense.

I like Nash a hell of a lot better than Warrior.

[jasonlives13]

Yeah those pics have been floating around a few weeks now it's lead some to believe that Steph is indeed the "She" referenced to in the Jericho videos and she will be returning to WWE TV very soon

Hmmm kinda makes sense Jericho did say in his second book, he loved working with Stephanie and that they had great chemistry.

[The Dream Master]

Only if the special guest referee is this guy...

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQDXJ92hcptWhbnSr8pDVDy9uQ0ef-rjMzAe6bnBD0d4oVMREIMgwpCbDMgrA

HOLY FUCK THAT JACKET HE'S WEARING FIEIWJEJEWWEJ

[Brett H.]

Rockin' Rebel's denim sequined jacket is even better than Ricky's. 'Course Ricky trained him, so of course he's gonna have great ring attire.

[nottidelterrore]

And I met Ricky Morton and have his autograph. The day I became a man.

[WesReviews]

I saw Morton fight some random masked jobber (probably a local dude) in a ring set up in the middle of a dirty horse race track at a small fair about 30 miles down the road a couple of years ago. It was a pretty sad excuse for a match, unfortunately. :X

[The Dream Master]

When I saw him, he RULED, still doing frankensteiners and shit because he invented the motherfucker. Well, he didn't, but.

This was back in like '04 or so I think. After he was done, he just hung out with the fans, sitting against the wall chatting and shit, so I shot the shit with him for a while. As I left later, he was all "god bless you, brother" as I walked out the door, it was sweet.

[WesReviews]

When I saw him, he RULED, still doing frankensteiners and shit because he invented the motherfucker. Well, he didn't, but.

This was back in like '04 or so I think. After he was done, he just hung out with the fans, sitting against the wall chatting and shit, so I shot the shit with him for a while. As I left later, he was all "god bless you, brother" as I walked out the door, it was sweet.

That's awesome. A friend of mine's dad is an ear/nose/throat doc, and one day back when we were younger, when the Express was in town for a local NWA show, they went to see his dad for some kinda issues they were having. Not sure if both saw him or if Robert had to go and Ricky went for support or vice versa. But he's always told that story and his dad confirmed it to us one day. Small world.

[The Dream Master]

Those guys are awesome and were probably the best patients that dude had. Well, Ricky probably talked his damn ears off while Robert just sat there, but still.

The R&R Express still wrestle around here all the time; shit, they were literally 10 minutes away from my house last year, but I didn't hear about it until the next day. I was pissed. I'm sure they've lost a step even since when I saw Ricky in '04, but I bet it's still worth it just to see them make their ring entrance.

[zombie extra 3]

When I saw him, he RULED, still doing frankensteiners and shit because he invented the motherfucker.
RnR Express were pretty innovative for the 1980s. Ricky Morton did a missile dropkick, hurricanrana, double dropkicks with Robert Gibson.

[nottidelterrore]

Ricky put on a pretty good match when I saw him in '07. He was hell of a nice guy too. Very friendly and hung out with the fans before the show and during intermission. He seemed to have a great time.

[Brett H.]

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/9720/wrastling.jpg

[nottidelterrore]

Hooooly shit!

[The Dark Vampire]

If anybody watches FCW Britani Knight made her debut yesterday I think it's great as I've known her since she was about 8

[Special Killa B]

Tell you what I've been watching FCW on youtube the past few weeks and I've been more interested in there wrestling then some of WWE's right now. I like the "15 Championship" they have on there. Everytime it's defended the match is a 15 minute iron man match most falls wins the title. Wish WWE would invent something like that to make it interesting.

[Brett H.]

Brodus Clay... really? :X I'm all for stupid gimmicks, but why not have the one guy on the roster that doesn't look like everyone else just be a big monster or something and dress up some clown that looks like everyone else in the promotion?

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

Brodus Clay

http://i951.photobucket.com/albums/ad359/sean_ofthedead/1326164460693.jpg

[Brett H.]

I don't hate the Funkasaurus, but like with everything else they do, they can't seem to get anything more than 50% right.

I still like this Cena/Kane thing, though. And I'm sure Akeem The African Dream is gonna be the second 2012 HOF inductee.
ADDED:
Fuck yes, my man Tully Blanchard is going to be a WWE Hall of Famer. Just as he should be.

[pa®tci]

... and the first person from NXT to debut on television is:

A. The winner?

NOT!


B. The most talented guy on the show?

NOT!


C. WTF? (http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lja1avYOZf1qhx5kzo1_400.gif)

WINNING?

[WesReviews]

Thoughts on if Flair will show up at the Hall of Fame?

Or will they induct one of his old sequin robes that he hasn't already pawned off for cash yet?

[The Dark Vampire]

Flair is already in so if he gets inducted along with The Horsemen then I guess technically he will be the first person to be inducted twice

[jasonlives13]

Edge and the four horseman are terrific pics for the hall of fame, I was laughin hard at jericho pretending to cry haha.

[The Dark Vampire]

New Gimmick

Crying Chris Jericho

[Violent VictiM]

Thoughts on if Flair will show up at the Hall of Fame?

Or will they induct one of his old sequin robes that he hasn't already pawned off for cash yet?

If you ever portray Ric Flair in a negative light again, I'll fucking kill you.

Jericho wins the Rumble. Call it now. On another note, why is it Sting can go a year without talking and it's great but Jericho can't go a few weeks?

[Lance Lives]

With Sting it was clear what his intentions were. NWO was out cutting promos, propelling the story line. With Jericho, no one knows exactly where he is coming from and he is just teasing the audience by acting like he is going to say something and then not. People are just being impatient is probably most of it.

[The Dream Master]

On the one hand, the Jericho shit is weird, but, on the other, I like that they're actually drawing something out for once. I thought for sure he'd come out last night and finally cut a promo, but I like that he's still pulling that shit. I hate how everything gets done within a month or a couple of weeks these days (save for Punk and Cena's feud, which lasted all of, what, 3 whole months?).

[Violent VictiM]

It was a rib. I wasn't being serious.

[Brett H.]

I just want to see Big Johnny, the interim Raw GM get more air-time. If I was interim Raw GM, I'd spend my time fackin' with that nerd CM Punk too.

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[Darth Reaper]

Personally, if I was interim Raw GM I'd spend my time fackin' chicks like the Bella Twins and Kelly Kelly. You know, making them earn their spots in the business. :evil:

[Ron]

I picked up The Undertaker's Deadliest Matches last night. Very disappointed that the Mankind vs. The Undertaker HIAC at King of the Ring wasn't included.

[zombie extra 3]

I picked up The Undertaker's Deadliest Matches last night. Very disappointed that the Mankind vs. The Undertaker HIAC at King of the Ring wasn't included.
That's on like 5 different WWE DVDs already.

[Brett H.]

Personally, if I was interim Raw GM I'd spend my time fackin' chicks like the Bella Twins and Kelly Kelly. You know, making them earn their spots in the business. :evil:

That's where you differ from people like myself and Big Johnny; you'd still think these girls were hot whereas we wouldn't ever look them in the eye again after the pre-contract initiation involving a business trip to the woods with our good friend Jimmy Valient.

[Ron]

That's on like 5 different WWE DVDs already.

Point?

Mine is that it should have been on this dvd.

[Darth Reaper]

That's where you differ from people like myself and Big Johnny; you'd still think these girls were hot whereas we wouldn't ever look them in the eye again after the pre-contract initiation involving a business trip to the woods with our good friend Jimmy Valient.- Brett H.

That's unfortunate for you. My way gets more "bang" for the company's buck. :evil:

[WesReviews]

Looks like Flair will be there.

According to a video posted by WrestleZone.com, though, Ric Flair himself confirms he will be present at the American Airlines Arena the night before WrestleMania 28.

Did the WWE work out a deal with TNA so that the 16-time world heavyweight champion could make a one-night appearance?

If such a deal wasn't hashed out, is Ric Flair taking it upon himself to take the calculated risk of showing up for the special occasion?

Assuming an understanding wasn't reached between the two companies, it's possible that TNA star Ric Flair being shown on WWE TV will have legal ramifications.

[The Dark Vampire]

He was at the last HOF when HBK was inducted I think TNA give a bit of leeway when it comes to the HOF he's not even the first TNA star to do it Jimmy Hart was inducted into the WWE HOF while still under TNA contract and was still appearing on TNA TV

[Brett H.]

When TNA did a whole storyline involving his WWE HOF ring, I'm sure it's no big deal. That's big exposure for them because most people don't know they exist.

[The Dark Vampire]

WWE "Primo & Epico crowned WWE Tag Team Champions at WWE Live Event!" | January 15, 2012

At a WWE Live Event at Oakland’s Oracle Center, Primo & Epico defeated Kofi Kingston & Evan Bourne to capture the WWE Tag Team Championship.

Credit>wwe.com

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

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[nottidelterrore]

JR <3's Stone Cold

[Brett H.]

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This is why I love Dolph Ziggler.

[Violent VictiM]

That was like a cool oversell.

[nottidelterrore]

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:sniffle:

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

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[The Dark Vampire]

Mattel is bringing back the old Wrestling Buddies with a new line of pillow wrestlers titled WWE Brawlin' Buddies. They made the announcement with a press release on their 2012 plans.

Well all that can be said about that is

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[Brett H.]

If they had a retro line with Macho Man or the Snakeman I'd buy one for display. I used to have a Snakeman one as a young'un.

[The Dark Vampire]

WM 29 is now officially at Metlife Stadium in New Jersey. Governor Christie confirmed it.

Reading other sites they are saying that is a bad decision as the weather there can't be trusted to keep fine that time of year

[Violent VictiM]

Yeah, I'm gonna have to go to this. The weather does concern me a bit. Seeing as how early April here is a crap shoot. When the temperature drops, it can get as low as mid-30s. That's not gonna be fun.

I won't go to the Super Bowl at MetLife in 2014 because it's just too cold. I know it's a once in a lifetime chance, but I don't care. I'd rather tongue kiss a man's penis head than be cold.

[The Dark Vampire]

Rex King/Timothy Well from the tag team Well Done died yesterday

R.I.P Timothy Well

http://www.cheap-heat.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/timothy-well.jpg

[Uncle Hoody]

Heaven just got a little more Well Dunn :(

[Brett H.]

Dude ain't dead from what I hear...

[nottidelterrore]

CM Punk takes on Chris Brown in Twitter war (http://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/cm-punk-chris-brown-twitter-war)

WWE Champion CM Punk lashed out against singer Chris Brown on Twitter Monday. "I would like @chrisbrown fight somebody that can defend themselves," Punk tweeted out to his more than 650,000 followers on Monday before Raw SuperShow.

Brown shot back at the WWE Champion Monday in this since-deleted tweet. "@CMpunk needs more followers. He's such a leader! Not to mention the roids hes on has made it utterly impossible for him pleasure a women." The singer continued, "@CMpunk contact my assistant and I'll have em send u an autographed pic for my biggest FAN!!!"

In 2009 Brown was convicted of felony assault against singing sensation Rihanna and was recently criticized for a Twitter outburst after this year's Grammys.

CM Punk responded moments ago by posting a video reply to Brown "@CMPunk http://twitvid.com/4CAPE - This must be said."

Brown replied minutes after Punk's video was posted on Twitter. "@cmpunk the video u just posted was cute! It's so funny how defensive u are," he continued. "And the fact that I really don't know who you are and could give a [expletive] is the funny part! I really hope this 15 minutes of fame is paying you for the long run becuz music last forever! Wrestlers come and go according to ratings!"

The Grammy Award winner is still tweeting about the situation. "I miss the real wrestlers! ( Hacksaw Jim duggan, Brett the hitman heart, coco beware, rowdy roddy piper) #Notnopunks"

This is funny. Chris Brown got owned and showed how ignorant he is since Punk is STRAIGHT EDGE. That and Chris Brown is a bitch. DUECES!

[The Dark Vampire]

This is funny. Chris Brown got owned and showed how ignorant he is since Punk is STRAIGHT EDGE.

Not to mention he's had half the divas/female wrestlers on the planet he must be doing something right in that way

[Brett H.]

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Big Johnny showing everyone why he's the executive vice president of talent relations and interim GM of Monday Night Raw.

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

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[Ron]

That's one of the most memorable promos from the Attitude era for me.

[Kat]

Yeah, I'm gonna have to go to this. The weather does concern me a bit. Seeing as how early April here is a crap shoot. When the temperature drops, it can get as low as mid-30s. That's not gonna be fun.

I won't go to the Super Bowl at MetLife in 2014 because it's just too cold. I know it's a once in a lifetime chance, but I don't care. I'd rather tongue kiss a man's penis head than be cold.

I am a lesbian who loves football and wrestling, and I second your opinion on being cold.

PS - Why the fuck do I live in Canada hating the cold so much?

[The Dream Master]

Anytime I remotely consider that Austin might not have been as doep as my mind remembers, I see a promo like that and any doubts go away. That son of a bitch RULED that era.

[Seth Doom]

To hell with Stone Cold. That was when Kane ruled the world.

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

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[Uncle Hoody]

Gotta love breaking into someone's house story lines.

[The Dark Vampire]

I've been watching old wrestlemaina's and they actually have jobbers on the card I can't imagine what fans would do today if they had jobbers wrestling at WM 28
ADDED:
-- During WWE's press conference to announce that WrestleMania XXIX would be held in East Rutherford, New Jersey on Sunday, April 7, 2013, Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson vowed to appear at the event and "electrify MetLife Stadium like never before."

Sources within WWE have confirmed to the Pro Wrestling Torch that Johnson will be competing at the event.

So what will we get The Rock vs The Undertaker 21-0

The Rock vs CM Punk

or The Rock vs Cena II

[zombie extra 3]

I've been watching old wrestlemaina's and they actually have jobbers on the card I can't imagine what fans would do today if they had jobbers wrestling at WM 28
Reminds me of Wrestlemania 2. Jake Roberts wrestled George Wells. Roberts beat him in about three minutes.
Wrestlemania 2 is probably one of the crappiest Mania's except for the tag matches.

[The Dark Vampire]

Possible WM spoilers I guess
From what I've read it's unlikely Jericho will be staying around to long at least full time anyway as Fozzy has tours booked over the summer inducing a date in June

[Brett H.]

Rock fuckin' killed it on Raw tonight. Furthermore makes me think they have him toned all the way down in person so Cena isn't boo'd out of the fucking building.

[Violent VictiM]

Rock fuckin' killed it on Raw tonight. Furthermore makes me think they have him toned all the way down in person so Cena isn't boo'd out of the fucking building.

You see, I think the opposite. I feel like things really got personal last night and when the smoke cleared.. I found myself all about Cena. I think Cena killed it, and it'd be a travesty if The Rock won at Wrestlemania.

[Ron]

I still think they're using this as a "passing of the torch match" if you ask me. A little late i think though. The kid little kid in me still wants to see Rock whup Cena's ass.

[nottidelterrore]

Yeah I think Cena is going to win although I'd like for The Rock to win but that's the "WWF Attitude Era" fan in me wanting that haha.

[Brett H.]

If Rock would have done his video skits in person, he'd have absolutely annihilated Cena. No ifs ands or buts. By doing it the way they did, it allowed Rock to kill Cena, but Cena to still get the upper hand because Rock's so toned down on face to face promos. Christ, imagine if Rock pulled out that alarm clock right in front of Cena. No way Cena could ever recover, and I ain't hating on either of them, I'm just now officially convinced they're toning down Rock when Cena's around. The skits were vintage Rock which not even Stone Cold or Hogan can top, let alone Cena.

[The Dark Vampire]

WWE star Kia "Kharma" Stevens did not deliver a healthy baby boy on December 31st, despite what she told friends. Kia tells TMZ the child tragically died before she was able to give birth.

Kia tells us she is still devastated over the loss ... and initially lied to friends about the child being "healthy" because she was incredibly emotional and was afraid to tell the public the truth after announcing her pregnancy on live TV.

Kia says she's finally coming to grips with everything ... and wants to help other women in her situation.

"I am planning to start a foundation for women that have experienced the same thing" ... Kia says ... adding, "It's a bigger club than people think."

Kia tells us she's already organizing several events to raise awareness ... and will have information about her foundation available on her Twitter page in the near future.

Credit>TMZ.com

I feel so sorry for her it's the worse thing what could happen to anybody

[Freddy Krueger]

Man, that's awful. God be with that poor woman. :(

[Uncle Hoody]

From WON:

Wrestlers who participated in a recent talent evaluation with WWE were asked to write down the ten most embarrassing and humiliating things they think could possibly happen to them in the company. Steve Lombardi, who oversaw the evaluation with William Regal, then told them that odds are everything they came up with will occur at one point or another if they make it to the big show. They must therefore decide whether working for WWE at the risk of being humiliated is something they want out of life.

uh, yeah...

[Ron]

John Cena should watch this and takes notes on what a promo should really be. Not that passive-agressive bullshit that he always tries to do with The Rock.


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[Violent VictiM]

Cena did a good job last week. Rock looked genuinely frazzled and off his game.

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

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[The Dark Vampire]

CM Punk has been knocking about the WWE warehouse taking pictures of bits and bobs and look at some of the stuff he's uncovered.
"Every casket ever"
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"Every ladder ever"
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"Thunder"
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"Random box of horns. Still searching for mantaur head."
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Damn I would pay good money to have a walk about in that place

[Kat]

It makes me wonder what they are planning on doing with that stuff. They should auction it off for charity or something. All those ladders, it truly makes me ponder why they kept them, instead of just tossing them.

[Uncle Hoody]

I always wondered why Lowes doesn't make ladders like in ladder matches.

[The Dark Vampire]

I would guess the ladders are more for future use than old ones WWE uses them so often it makes sense to have a load of them in storage.

If WWE set up a museum and put this stuff in there it would do really well they were talking about a physical HOF a few years ago this could be an extension on that

[Uncle Hoody]

Going to RAW May 28th. Since my lady is obsessed with "Phil" (CM Punk) I told her she needs to make a sign that says, "I want to have SXE with CM Punk!"

[Uncle Hoody]

:lol: Randy Orton got yanked from The Marine 3 due to complaints from the real Marines.


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[pa®tci]

- How over is Daniel Bryan’s “YES!” chant? Believe it or not, the “YES!” was heard at Tuesday night’s Miami Heat basketball game from the American Airlines Arena, the venue that hosted RAW the night before.
You know it...

[The Dark Vampire]

You know it...

Apparently they were going on at the TNA taping to
ADDED:
According to Figure 4 Weekly, the incredibly subject-to-change working plan is a triple header of Lesnar (likely defending the title vs Rock), Austin vs Punk and Cena vs Undertaker.

I think Cena vs Rock II (or by then III) is more likely

[Kat]

Is it just me or do the fans seem legitimately pissed about Daniel Bryan's squash?

[The Dark Vampire]

Is it just me or do the fans seem legitimately pissed about Daniel Bryan's squash?

Are the fans pissed

YES YES YES

TBH though it may help him in the long run he's more over now than ever before

[The Dream Master]

All these marks are making wrestling ass backwards in that case. ;)

[The Dark Vampire]

I think WWE have been smart with the YES chants on SD Daniel claimed he hated them and the fans were mocking him so the (s)marks will chant YES because they like him and the casual fans will chant YES because they think he hates i it and then WWE can play it up which ever way they like.

Plus we will have to see how it goes over the next few weeks as this week it was more hardcore fans who travailed from all over the world to watch WM (Raw & SD was mainly the same fans) so lets see how the casuals will react

[Just Jeans]

I suppose it's about time for a new chat. Seems like it's been ages since anyone shouted "WHAT!?" at a superstar.

[The Dark Vampire]

I suppose it's about time for a new chat. Seems like it's been ages since anyone shouted "WHAT!?" at a superstar.

Really I seem to still hear it every week the last main one was the last Undertaker-HHH promo on the Raw before WM I think YES is gaining momentum in part because people are getting board of WHAT.

[The Dream Master]

Yeah, I still hear "what?!" all the time. R-Truth gets it a lot especially.

[Darth Sinister]

R-Truth: "Don't you what me!"

Audience: "WHAT?"

And then after turning face...

R-Truth: "Okay, you can what me."

[The Dark Vampire]

Most seem to let it ride now but with the Undertaker-HHH one I think Undertaker was genuinely pissed off about it as they were trying to do a serious promo for perhaps their last match ever and they couldn't even stop for breath or to start a new sentence without having "WHAT" chanted at them

I do think sometimes it was unnecessary and fans did it just to be assholes

[Just Jeans]

Really I seem to still hear it every week

To be fair, I only watch RAW, and I only do that very occasionally now. So I'm probably just missing out on the good stuff. :(

(I love it when a performer genuinely begins to buckle under the "WHAT!?" chat.)

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

(I love it when a performer genuinely begins to buckle under the "WHAT!?" chat.)

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[Darth Sinister]

Most seem to let it ride now but with the Undertaker-HHH one I think Undertaker was genuinely pissed off about it as they were trying to do a serious promo for perhaps their last match ever and they couldn't even stop for breath or to start a new sentence without having "WHAT" chanted at them

I do think sometimes it was unnecessary and fans did it just to be assholes

Everyone that goes to a wrestling show that does that are assholes. That's why "Yes, Yes, Yes!" began. That's why Earl Hebner can't go into Canada without a "You Screwed, Bret" chant. That's why Cena gets a lot of flack. It's no different from people who go to games and do their best to distract players behind the goal posts.

[Freddy Krueger]

Everyone that goes to a wrestling show that does that are assholes. That's why "Yes, Yes, Yes!" began. That's why Earl Hebner can't go into Canada without a "You Screwed, Bret" chant. That's why Cena gets a lot of flack. It's no different from people who go to games and do their best to distract players behind the goal posts.

I wouldn't say they're assholes. I'd rather go to a wrestling show where people are chanting "What" rather than go to one with a dead crowd. As far as the reaction Cena gets, it certainly isn't because people are assholes. It's legitimately because they are tired of having him shoved down their throats. Hell, when I went to RAW last summer I was more than happy to chant Cena Sucks. The guy's aggravating.

[The Dark Vampire]

"After a three year hiatus, WWE No Way Out is back and recharged! The annual pay-per-view that became notorious for its brutal, main event Steel Cage Matches gets reincarnated, but this time the Superstars of WWE will take the thematic event a step further, as they find new and innovative ways to prevent opponents from escaping. All stipulations in place, which may include Lumberjack, Strap, Chain, Steel Cage, Handcuff Matches or more will ensure no respite from the chaos inside the ring.

Could be interesting I suppose

[Darth Sinister]

I wouldn't say they're assholes. I'd rather go to a wrestling show where people are chanting "What" rather than go to one with a dead crowd.

Yeah, but it's not an either or situation. It's not just with the What chants. Look at the whole Lord Tensai thing. People are being dicks by calling him Albert.


As far as the reaction Cena gets, it certainly isn't because people are assholes. It's legitimately because they are tired of having him shoved down their throats. Hell, when I went to RAW last summer I was more than happy to chant Cena Sucks. The guy's aggravating.

How is he aggravating? Because he won't go heel? Because he genuinely enjoys what he does? He's no more shoved down people's throats than Austin, Rock, HHH, Hogan, Flair, Goldberg, Sting, Savage and all the others were.

[Freddy Krueger]

How is he aggravating? Because he won't go heel? Because he genuinely enjoys what he does? He's no more shoved down people's throats than Austin, Rock, HHH, Hogan, Flair, Goldberg, Sting, Savage and all the others were.

Cena caters to the children and women to the audience, whereas all of the others you listed above did not (well, Hogan aside). I just find the guy to be cheesy. Austin, Rock, Goldberg, Sting: these guys didn't have to be shoved down people's throats because the audience thoroughly enjoyed them. Just because Cena's supposed to be a fan favorite doesn't mean the audience has to like the guy. This is the type of stuff that led to the Attitude era. The audience tired of rooting for the guys the WWE wanted them to root for. That's why Rocky Maivia became the Rock, and the rest is history.

Look at the whole Lord Tensai thing. People are being dicks by calling him Albert.

To be fair, the Lord Tensai gimmick is about the dumbest gimmick I've seen in a long time. I mean, how much Asian does Albert have in him? 1/33rd? Not to mention the guy has no personality. He was a boring wrestler as Albert, and he's a boring wrestler as Lord Tensai. Charisma is everything in pro wrestling, and the guy just doesn't have it.

[The Dark Vampire]

Cena caters to the children and women to the audience, whereas all of the others you listed above did not (well, Hogan aside). I just find the guy to be cheesy. Austin, Rock, Goldberg, Sting: these guys didn't have to be shoved down people's throats because the audience thoroughly enjoyed them. Just because Cena's supposed to be a fan favorite doesn't mean the audience has to like the guy. This is the type of stuff that led to the Attitude era. The audience tired of rooting for the guys the WWE wanted them to root for. That's why Rocky Maivia became the Rock, and the rest is history.



To be fair, the Lord Tensai gimmick is about the dumbest gimmick I've seen in a long time. I mean, how much Asian does Albert have in him? 1/33rd? Not to mention the guy has no personality. He was a boring wrestler as Albert, and he's a boring wrestler as Lord Tensai. Charisma is everything in pro wrestling, and the guy just doesn't have it.

Even when Cena goes into serious mode the fans don't give him a chance witht The Rock feud he owned The Rock pretty much every time but the fans still booed him (and I'm a bigger rock fan than I am Cena fan but truth is he was much better in that feud)


Albert/Lord Tensai is a really good wrestler I've seen his Japanese work and he was one of the best gaijin wrestlers they had.

Charisma isn't everything some top talents have had zero charisma they just need to work with it or give them a manager that can work.

[nottidelterrore]

I'm just happy that one third of X-Factor is back. Crossing my fingers for a reunion.

[Darth Sinister]

Cena caters to the children and women to the audience, whereas all of the others you listed above did not (well, Hogan aside).

Cena catering to children is no different from Sting doing it. Or Big Show. Or Rey Mysterio. As to the females, like the Rock doesn't do that. I see Rey going up to a kid and giving him a mask that he has on top of his other mask. I see Show giving kids his WMD hat. How about DDP catering to the audience when he was a face in WCW? Or Goldberg.

I just find the guy to be cheesy.

They're all cheesy.

Austin, Rock, Goldberg, Sting: these guys didn't have to be shoved down people's throats because the audience thoroughly enjoyed them. Just because Cena's supposed to be a fan favorite doesn't mean the audience has to like the guy. This is the type of stuff that led to the Attitude era. The audience tired of rooting for the guys the WWE wanted them to root for. That's why Rocky Maivia became the Rock, and the rest is history.

Cena is getting pushed because the talent roster sucks and Vince doesn't know how to push a wrestler anymore. It's not Cena demanding the spotlight, it's WWE creative being creatively bankrupt and Vince's ego making things worse. It's his "You're not over until I say you're over!".

To be fair, the Lord Tensai gimmick is about the dumbest gimmick I've seen in a long time. I mean, how much Asian does Albert have in him? 1/33rd?

You miss the point. The gimmick is based off of what Matt Bloom has done since leaving WWE in 04. He's spent a lot of time in Japan, dominating the competition and has now taken on a new identity.

Not to mention the guy has no personality. He was a boring wrestler as Albert, and he's a boring wrestler as Lord Tensai. Charisma is everything in pro wrestling, and the guy just doesn't have it.

Did you watch his work in Japan?

[Freddy Krueger]

Cena catering to children is no different from Sting doing it. Or Big Show. Or Rey Mysterio. As to the females, like the Rock doesn't do that. I see Rey going up to a kid and giving him a mask that he has on top of his other mask. I see Show giving kids his WMD hat. How about DDP catering to the audience when he was a face in WCW? Or Goldberg.

I never said he couldn't cater to the audience. I said he caters to children. Adult men don't relate to him. That's a problem.




They're all cheesy.

Was The Rock cheesy? Austin? Triple H? Lesnar? There's a problem afoot when your "top face" getting F-5'd is the biggest pop of the night.



Cena is getting pushed because the talent roster sucks and Vince doesn't know how to push a wrestler anymore. It's not Cena demanding the spotlight, it's WWE creative being creatively bankrupt and Vince's ego making things worse. It's his "You're not over until I say you're over!".

I never said he was demanding the spotlight. I just stated the fans are sick of him, which is legitimate. At this point I don't think anything can change that short of a heel turn. Hogan was getting booed in WCW in the mid nineties as a face, and his heel turn saved his career and standing with the crowd.


You miss the point. The gimmick is based off of what Matt Bloom has done since leaving WWE in 04. He's spent a lot of time in Japan, dominating the competition and has now taken on a new identity.

And the identity is stupid. The crowd doesn't buy it, and he's just as boring as he was when he was A-Train.



Did you watch his work in Japan?

Truth be told I never watch Japanese wrestling. I don't have the time nor the desire to pull together resources of obtaining the ability to watch said matches either. ;)

[The Dark Vampire]

Was The Rock cheesy?

Very at times and since his return he's got more Cheese than a supermarket

[Freddy Krueger]

Very at times and since his return he's got more Cheese than a supermarket

I never would categorize The Rock as cheesy. Maybe post Attitude "I have to water down my material to PG" Rock, but The Rock in the Attitude era held the audience in the palm of his hand. The guy was hilarious. Cena? Can't say I've chuckled. Meh.

[The Dark Vampire]

I never would categorize The Rock as cheesy. Maybe post Attitude "I have to water down my material to PG" Rock, but The Rock in the Attitude era held the audience in the palm of his hand. The guy was hilarious. Cena? Can't say I've chuckled. Meh.

I found a lot of it even back during the attitude era to be cheesy he could hold them in the palm of his hand but a lot of the stuff he came out with was cheesy and sometimes down right stupid if anybody else had said what he was they would never of got away with to I liked The Rock still do and he does have this (well did) ability to say the most stupid/silly things possible and make them sound cool.

[Darth Sinister]

I never said he couldn't cater to the audience. I said he caters to children. Adult men don't relate to him. That's a problem.

So in other words, he needs to drink beer and talking about eating pie, in order to be over?

Was The Rock cheesy? Austin? Triple H? Lesnar? There's a problem afoot when your "top face" getting F-5'd is the biggest pop of the night.

The Rock is cheesy with his Elvis impersonation and talking about himself in the third person. Austin is for being a stereotypical redneck and yelling, "What, What, What?". Hunter is cheesy with his "I'm the Game and no one can beat me" attitude. Lesner is cheesy because he's a one note character. There's nothing about him other than I beat people up. Goldberg was with his bellowing and roaring. Flair was with his robes and bleeched hair and strutting around. Savage was with his colorful outfits that would make Elton John go, "Man that's gay". The Undertaker as a zombie and later as the lord of darkness.

Having the audience eating out of the palm of your hand doesn't change the fact that all of it is cheesy.

I never said he was demanding the spotlight. I just stated the fans are sick of him, which is legitimate. At this point I don't think anything can change that short of a heel turn. Hogan was getting booed in WCW in the mid nineties as a face, and his heel turn saved his career and standing with the crowd.

And having Cena go heel wouldn't change that either. The fact is that no matter what a small segment of the fanbase thinks, Cena is over. People still cheer him and it's not just little kids and women.

And the identity is stupid. The crowd doesn't buy it, and he's just as boring as he was when he was A-Train.

No more stupid than any other gimmick.

Truth be told I never watch Japanese wrestling. I don't have the time nor the desire to pull together resources of obtaining the ability to watch said matches either. ;)

Just sit down and watch Youtube. There's a reason that Vince and Ace brought him back after eight years.

[Freddy Krueger]

So in other words, he needs to drink beer and talking about eating pie, in order to be over?

Talk about putting words in my mouth. Never said he had to be The Rock or Stone Cold. I merely used them as examples of guys who weren't cheesy and didn't care what the audience thought.



The Rock is cheesy with his Elvis impersonation and talking about himself in the third person. Austin is for being a stereotypical redneck and yelling, "What, What, What?". Hunter is cheesy with his "I'm the Game and no one can beat me" attitude. Lesner is cheesy because he's a one note character. There's nothing about him other than I beat people up. Goldberg was with his bellowing and roaring. Flair was with his robes and bleeched hair and strutting around. Savage was with his colorful outfits that would make Elton John go, "Man that's gay". The Undertaker as a zombie and later as the lord of darkness.

I guess that's just your opinion, then. I never found those fellas cheesy. The Gobbeldy Gooker and Doink the Clown? Yes. Those were cheesy.

Having the audience eating out of the palm of your hand doesn't change the fact that all of it is cheesy.

Not a fact. Your opinion. There was plenty of wrestling done that was legitimately enjoyable, not cheesy enjoyable.



And having Cena go heel wouldn't change that either. The fact is that no matter what a small segment of the fanbase thinks, Cena is over. People still cheer him and it's not just little kids and women.

Small segment? The guy goes to England on RAW and gets a hostile reaction. He even looked at the camera and commented on the hostility. It's a small segment if say, he goes to one or two cities and gets boos. Everywhere he goes a good 50% of the audience boos. Again, not good. The WWE can talk all it wants about him being the most "controversial" superstar. It's more like he's the most unliked top face to ever grace the company.



No more stupid than any other gimmick.

Ask the dead audience at the end of RAW what they think. Apparently they think his gimmick is dumber than that of the Funkasaurus.



Just sit down and watch Youtube. There's a reason that Vince and Ace brought him back after eight years.

Vince's reasoning means little to me anymore. Like you said, he doesn't know how to push guys anymore. If anything he's regressed to mid-nineties Vince, giving guys gimmicks that I'm sure only he laughs about backstage.

[Darth Sinister]

Talk about putting words in my mouth. Never said he had to be The Rock or Stone Cold. I merely used them as examples of guys who weren't cheesy and didn't care what the audience thought.

And Cena didn't until it was written in as part of the feud and WWE decided to make shirts to acknowledge it.

I guess that's just your opinion, then. I never found those fellas cheesy. The Gobbeldy Gooker and Doink the Clown? Yes. Those were cheesy.

That's because you're a dyed-in-the-wool wrestling fan. Look at it as an outsider and you'll see a whole different thing.

Not a fact. Your opinion. There was plenty of wrestling done that was legitimately enjoyable, not cheesy enjoyable.

Enjoyable to you and the fanbase.

Small segment? The guy goes to England on RAW and gets a hostile reaction. He even looked at the camera and commented on the hostility. It's a small segment if say, he goes to one or two cities and gets boos. Everywhere he goes a good 50% of the audience boos. Again, not good. The WWE can talk all it wants about him being the most "controversial" superstar. It's more like he's the most unliked top face to ever grace the company.

Except there are people that do like him, beyond the children and women. These small segments aren't the ones who go to all live events. The people who do that chanting are smarks.

Ask the dead audience at the end of RAW what they think. Apparently they think his gimmick is dumber than that of the Funkasaurus.

They were dead because there was no build to it. They were expecting someone else.

Vince's reasoning means little to me anymore. Like you said, he doesn't know how to push guys anymore. If anything he's regressed to mid-nineties Vince, giving guys gimmicks that I'm sure only he laughs about backstage.

He was doing that in the Attitude Era. Look at Droz. He wanted a guy who could vomit on cue and championed incest for years. Much less necrophilia.

[Freddy Krueger]

That's because you're a dyed-in-the-wool wrestling fan. Look at it as an outsider and you'll see a whole different thing.

Truth be told I probably won't ever be able to do that. I've been watching WWF(E) since I was five years old. On and off, admittedly. But I still come crawling back, even now when the product is so weak.


Enjoyable to you and the fanbase.

But aren't you apart of that fanbase, Sinister? ;)


Except there are people that do like him, beyond the children and women. These small segments aren't the ones who go to all live events. The people who do that chanting are smarks.

I'm not denying people like him, don't get me wrong. But he doesn't effectively have a majority at live events (which is how his...over-ness?...is mostly determined, besides T-shirt sales). Many adult men, like myself, don't dig his act and probably won't ever favorably compare him to the greats in the biz. And I still disagree that it's a small segment, and I don't think 50% of the people in the audience are smarks.



They were dead because there was no build to it. They were expecting someone else.

It's funny you say that, because I TOTALLY called it like 45 minutes before the match. :lmao: I'd realized Tentsai had only had a single interview segment and no match as of that point. I've been watching wrestling for waaay too long. As far as no build up to it, I don't think any build up would have helped. The crowd has been dead for him for the past couple of weeks.



He was doing that in the Attitude Era. Look at Droz. He wanted a guy who could vomit on cue and championed incest for years. Much less necrophilia.

I was actually just thinking of that moment a moment ago from Beyond the Mat. I'm not denying it didn't happen then, understand, but a man making himself puke didn't aggravate me the way the sillier gimmicks of the 1994 era and the present do now. Probably a matter of personal taste, to be honest.

[Darth Sinister]

Truth be told I probably won't ever be able to do that. I've been watching WWF(E) since I was five years old. On and off, admittedly. But I still come crawling back, even now when the product is so weak.

That's why you won't ever see it in a different light.

But aren't you apart of that fanbase, Sinister? ;)

I am, but I'm also aware that there continues to be those that harp on professional wrestling for being fake and not real like in the academic and Olympic level.

I'm not denying people like him, don't get me wrong. But he doesn't effectively have a majority at live events (which is how his...over-ness?...is mostly determined, besides T-shirt sales). Many adult men, like myself, don't dig his act and probably won't ever favorably compare him to the greats in the biz. And I still disagree that it's a small segment, and I don't think 50% of the people in the audience are smarks.

The mere fact that Cena sparks any reaction, positive or negative, is a sign that he's over. No matter what the audience thinks. If he was getting no reaction, then there'd be a real complaint. After all, X-Pac has received boos for years, yet, he is in essence over because of that reaction.

It's funny you say that, because I TOTALLY called it like 45 minutes before the match. :lmao: I'd realized Tentsai had only had a single interview segment and no match as of that point. I've been watching wrestling for waaay too long. As far as no build up to it, I don't think any build up would have helped. The crowd has been dead for him for the past couple of weeks.

That's because they don't get it.

I was actually just thinking of that moment a moment ago from Beyond the Mat. I'm not denying it didn't happen then, understand, but a man making himself puke didn't aggravate me the way the sillier gimmicks of the 1994 era and the present do now. Probably a matter of personal taste, to be honest.

But that's because you are a dye-in-the-wool fan. Especially of an era that pushed the envelope of good taste, which in turn made people tune in.

[Freddy Krueger]

That's why you won't ever see it in a different light.

Yup. And that's not a bad thing, either. We're talking professional wrestling here, either people will get it, or they won't. For those that get it, the good stuff won't be considered cheesy.



I am, but I'm also aware that there continues to be those that harp on professional wrestling for being fake and not real like in the academic and Olympic level.

I always point out to those people that wrestling is no more fake than 99% of all television.



The mere fact that Cena sparks any reaction, positive or negative, is a sign that he's over. No matter what the audience thinks. If he was getting no reaction, then there'd be a real complaint. After all, X-Pac has received boos for years, yet, he is in essence over because of that reaction.

X-pac received boos because the audience tired of his performance. He was going through the motions for years. And what did Vince do? He fired him. As far as Cena goes, he's not getting the type of reaction that a top face should be getting.



That's because they don't get it.

And whose fault is that? The audience? I think not, and it's a lame excuse. The guy has no charisma, he doesn't have a manager in the vein of Bobby Heenan to get him over. The audience just doesn't care.



But that's because you are a dye-in-the-wool fan. Especially of an era that pushed the envelope of good taste, which in turn made people tune in.

If I had just grown up with the Attitude era, you'd have a point. But, again, I was watching when Hulk Hogan was on top and the show was aimed at children. I've seen it all, and I know what's crap and what's good. The Lord Tentsai thing? It's crap.

[Darth Sinister]

Yup. And that's not a bad thing, either. We're talking professional wrestling here, either people will get it, or they won't. For those that get it, the good stuff won't be considered cheesy.

I get it and it is cheesy and I've been watching for thirteen years.

I always point out to those people that wrestling is no more fake than 99% of all television.

Yes, but to the general public, real wrestling is a sport dating back centuries.

X-pac received boos because the audience tired of his performance. He was going through the motions for years. And what did Vince do? He fired him. As far as Cena goes, he's not getting the type of reaction that a top face should be getting.

And in the end, it doesn't matter. If not for the positive reactions that he does get, he would've been demoted and fired.

And whose fault is that? The audience? I think not, and it's a lame excuse. The guy has no charisma, he doesn't have a manager in the vein of Bobby Heenan to get him over. The audience just doesn't care.

Part of the fault is that they treat him as a squasher, rather than let him be what he was in Japan. A more versatile wrestler.

[The Dark Vampire]

Yes, but to the general public, real wrestling is a sport dating back centuries.


It was real at one time it started getting pre determined about 1913-1918 time I did read the very first (known of) pre determined match happened in 1913 and after that the rest started to do it after so many years they were all doing it.

[nottidelterrore]

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[Biosynthnut v.2]

Oh god.. Mike Sharpe. My brother and I used to rip on this dude all the time. What a goof.

[The Dream Master]

Iron Mike Sharpe was a hell of a worker.

[nottidelterrore]

ILXNF-o08YY

[Biosynthnut v.2]

I remember watching Maple leaf Wrestlng... it's amazing how this old stuff winds up on youtube.

Also watched that Rivalries with Bret Hart and HBK. That was pretty damn interesting how it all went down.

[Kat]

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[Special Killa B]

Also watched that Rivalries with Bret Hart and HBK. That was pretty damn interesting how it all went down.

I actually bought that Bret vs Shawn DVD that came out last year. I was quite happy with it. The only downside is the DVD doesn't include the 97' Screwjob Match which was one of the reasons why I wanted to get it because I still don't have that match in my collection (I think the Blu-Ray has it as an extra). But anyway I liked the matches and the disc with both Bret and Shawn having a one on one with J.R. very interesting stuff.

[Biosynthnut v.2]

I also have a question or two. I've been out of WWE for 5 years ( no cable and it started to well get kinda sucky).

HHH is he done, since WM28? And is he taking on any real corporate WWE position?
Is Taker done?
Did Edge retire just cause he's done it all? Or injury?
And what ever happened to Lita, Trish, and the chick with the black hair I can't think of her name go?

Hmm...Probably more to ask, but I don't remember much of what has happened in the last 5 years.

[The Dream Master]

HHH has been in charge of talent or something; he's probably not done wrestling and has a few matches left in him, but he hasn't been a regular wrestler in like 2 years I guess. Edge legit had to retire due to a neck injury. Trish and Lita have popped up from time to time, and Taker probably will just be wrestling at WM in the future.

[The Dark Vampire]

Just thought when making the trivia question back when Bob Backlund and Jake Roberts were making their comebacks such a big deal and put down by the heels were made over the fact that they were 41 when now over the past few years a lot of the top stars are over or damn close to that plus even at the time Bret Hart was only a few years younger (I think when Jake was in Bret was 39 and WWF Champion himself plus was pushed as leader of the new Generation )

Jericho has main evented (well in a main event) the last few WWE PPV's and he's 41 himself

HHH is 42
Undertaker is 47
HBK is 46 (retied now but was still main eventing past 41)
Big Show is 40
Kane is 45

[The Dream Master]

Man, the things I'd eat out of Eve's ass...you have NO idea.

[Biosynthnut v.2]

Just thought when making the trivia question back when Bob Backlund and Jake Roberts were making their comebacks such a big deal and put down by the heels were made over the fact that they were 41 when now over the past few years a lot of the top stars are over or damn close to that plus even at the time Bret Hart was only a few years younger (I think when Jake was in Bret was 39 and WWF Champion himself plus was pushed as leader of the new Generation )

Jericho has main evented (well in a main event) the last few WWE PPV's and he's 41 himself

HHH is 42
Undertaker is 47
HBK is 46 (retied now but was still main eventing past 41)
Big Show is 40
Kane is 45

Wasn't Batista 40 when he started? I find it freaky that I'm 5 to 12 years apart with those guys...Most of which I grew up watching.

[The Dark Vampire]

Batista was 33 though his age is a mystery people still think he's older than he claims he says he's 43 now but a lot think he's at least 50

[Biosynthnut v.2]

I thought so...

And who is John Laurinaitis?

[The Dark Vampire]

I thought so...

And who is John Laurinaitis?

John Laurinaitis the executive vice president of talent relations and permanent GM of both Raw and Smackdown
http://cdn1.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/2998683/20120206_raw_jlkeepsjob_c_large.jpg

He used to be Johnny Ace though (and brother of Road Warrior/LOD member Animal)

[Biosynthnut v.2]

I thought he looked familiar...though I will say just watching last nights RAW....yea he's a dipshit.

[Ron]

This whole John Laurinaitis/John Cena angle seems a little to much like Austin/McMahon.

[The Dream Master]

Big Johnny is the best thing going on Raw.

[WesReviews]

Who's Eve?

[ToJarJa]

Who's Eve?

Botchariffic.


She's also the executive assistant to Johnny Ace.

[The Dream Master]

Big Johnny knows how to pick 'em.

[Bill 1981]

Man, the things I'd eat out of Eve's ass...you have NO idea.

http://images.wikia.com/recipes/images/3/34/Corn1.jpg?

[The Dark Vampire]

Eve is so bad on the mic she makes Mike Adamle look like Bobby Heenan.

[WesReviews]

Okay, my bad... when I said "Who's Eve?" what I actually meant was "IF SHE HAWT POST PICS PLZ".

But I was tryin' to be, you know... subtle and stuff.

[Darth Sinister]

Eve Torres

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/darth-macleod/Wrestling%20Divas/14716619_EveTorres5.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/darth-macleod/Wrestling%20Divas/large_image-1.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/darth-macleod/Wrestling%20Divas/eve-torres-2008-breeders-cup-winner.jpg

[The Dark Vampire]

Well now The Twins have gone it's only Eve-Kelly and Alicia Fox to go and I'll be happy

[The Dream Master]

Well now The Twins have gone it's only Eve-Kelly and Alicia Fox to go and I'll be happy

http://i.imgur.com/SEEan.jpg

[The Dark Vampire]

Ok turn Kelly into a valet I could just about put up with her in that role but the other 2 have 0% talent at all can't wrestle can't talk can't act keep em around just long enough for Kharma to have a bit of fun with them.

I did think turning heel may help Eve but she can't even pull of the bitch gimmick right.

If they keep her around how about she don't talk doesn't move just stands there would that be a good enough compromise (to be fair she's better than Fox I doubt she could even do that right)

[AstroCreep]

Eve... I've come to the conclusion that I WOULD in fact drink her bath water.

[nottidelterrore]

Eve is so bad on the mic she makes Mike Adamle look like Bobby Heenan.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_WlacjZsODgw/SCfhw_1gG-I/AAAAAAAAAkM/a-HLa7HQ9OQ/s400/adamle2.jpg

[The Dark Vampire]

Michael Cole seem to have gone less heel over the last few weeks even seemingly criticising Big Johnny and Lesner on Smackdown He even seemed annoyed that Johnny wasn't there

[J Killer]

I think WWE had improved quite a bit. is it perfect no but you k ow the damn smarks. Always complain about something. How about going back in to the 80's mentality and enjoy it for what it is instead of complaining about it.

[craven]

Michael Cole seem to have gone less heel over the last few weeks even seemingly criticising Big Johnny and Lesner on Smackdown He even seemed annoyed that Johnny wasn't there

I noticed that as well,maybe someone told him to tone it down,even on Raw he seemed to take it down as well.

[J Killer]

I kind miss hell Cole. Sure he was annoying but was kinda entertaining at times.

[Darth Sinister]

I think they have to in order to sell Lesnar being gone for a while.