Nightmare Sequel in 3D

[Jus-X]

Article... (http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/news/20046)

With the remake looking to top $35m this opening weekend, buzz from inside New Line Cinema is that a 3D sequel to A Nightmare on Elm Street is already being discussed, while Platinum Dunes producer added more fuel to the fire via Twitter by adding that a sequel is "already in the works." A similar situation happened when Platinum Dune's reboot of Friday the 13th opened to $40m before dropping a whopping 80% the following weekend. And as we all know, New Line has yet to give the go ahead to that 3D sequel. With Iron Man 2 opening next weekend, I expect the same drop. All I know is that I want to see our horror icons live on and hope that New Line keeps Jason Voorhees and Freddy Krueger alive and well at whatever capacity. As of 8:45PM PST Saturday night, Elm Street has a average user rating of 3/5 skulls in the Bloody Disgusting database. Click here to post your review.

[Joshg]

Who wants to bet this gets cancelled?

[Jus-X]

I'm actually hoping with Nightmare's current box office success, this will put their focuses back on horrors and give us the Friday Sequel we were all bummed lost it's attention... But I do see a drop occuring next weekend with Iron Man 2.

[Penhall]

Who wants to bet this gets cancelled?

Yeah, there's no reason to think that there will even be a sequel to this until it actually starts shooting. They can announce whatever they want, we all know how quickly things change when it comes to Freddy, Jason, Michael, and Leatherface movies...

[The Tall Man]

Haley's burnt dog dick comin' atchya (or at least kids) in the third dimension? Epic pass.

Who wants to bet this gets cancelled?
I hope it does.

T.M., Esq.

[Rick]

The director last week said that the remake was supposed to undergo a 3D conversion but he refused.
Funny because I remember 2 kills distinctly that look like they were made for 3D.
If NL/Paramount are not giving the green light to a Friday the 13th sequel because it'll bump up the cost they'd be splitting, what are the odds this'll get it?
Sure, NL wouldn't have to split the profits with a 3rd company, but they'd have to pony up all of the cost themselves from the word go, but maybe they aren't as nervous as Paramount is.
I think DVD sales are going to have a big impact on the decision to go ahead with a sequel to this as Fuller suggests it did with F13th remake.

[Ron]

Who wants to bet this gets cancelled?

We can only hope:duh:

[Jus-X]

The director last week said that the remake was supposed to undergo a 3D conversion but he refused.
Funny because I remember 2 kills distinctly that look like they were made for 3D.
If NL/Paramount are not giving the green light to a Friday the 13th sequel because it'll bump up the cost they'd be splitting, what are the odds this'll get it?
Sure, NL wouldn't have to split the profits with a 3rd company, but they'd have to pony up all of the cost themselves from the word go, but maybe they aren't as nervous as Paramount is.
I think DVD sales are going to have a big impact on the decision to go ahead with a sequel to this as Fuller suggests it did with F13th remake.

Yeah I know what two kills you're talking about. ;)

Until recently, I had no idea how much DVD/BD rentals/sales count towards possible sequels from production companies. $$$

My guess, Nightmare's Box Office success falls down by 80% next weekend with Iron Man 2 coming out, and we might possibly get the DVD in 2 months.

[Apocalypto]

Yeah, most movies tend to make most of their money on dvd and blu ray these days.

It'll make around $32 mill for the weekend, which is good, but I expected more. With IM2 next weekend this thing is guaranteed to have terrible legs, it has almost no shot at outgrossing F13's total at this point.

[Penhall]

Yeah, most movies tend to make most of their money on dvd and blu ray these days.

It'll make around $32 mill for the weekend, which is good, but I expected more. With IM2 next weekend this thing is guaranteed to have terrible legs, it has almost no shot at outgrossing F13's total at this point.

Agreed. In fact, I'd argue that its already starting to show poor legs. After Friday's numbers, it was estimated to take in 40 million this weekend. Then it was down-graded to a 35 million estimate and now it looks like the actual number is 32 million.

Not bad at all, but it shows that the legs for this film are sluggish for opening weekend. Even the largely leg-less Friday remake did over 40 million on its opening weekend.

But yeah, it'll do huge numbers on DVD and we're likely to get a sequel of some sort. I'm hoping for a sequel/reboot with Englund, but I'm sure it won't happen...

[The Dream Master]

The thing that bodes well for this sequel is the fact that WB/NLC is in complete control of it. They won't have to share profits with anyone else, so I'm sure this one will make it into production pretty quickly.

[The Tall Man]

Not bad at all, but it shows that the legs for this film are sluggish for opening weekend. Even the largely leg-less Friday remake did over 40 million on its opening weekend.
32 mil isn't actually very good (with a 27 mil budget). It's barely breaking even. A movie needs to make back three times its budget to be considered a success.

T.M., Esq.

[Apocalypto]

What they generally hope for is double the production cost in US theatrical gross...with worldwide gross + dvd money this thing will make more than enough, I just expected more.

[Dead Cell]

This is the first time ever that I find myself questioning whether I want to buy this Elm Street on dvd or not. Everything that I did like about the movie was outweighed by the bad. But then I look over and see Freddy's Dead on my shelf. If even that crap makes it onto my shelf, then...

[Penhall]

This is the first time ever that I find myself questioning whether I want to buy this Elm Street on dvd or not. Everything that I did like about the movie was outweighed by the bad. But then I look over and see Freddy's Dead on my shelf. If even that crap makes it onto my shelf, then...

Hell, it could be an all musical remake starring Zac Efron as Freddy and I'd still probably buy it... :p

[God of Thunder]

Englund or fuck off. Looks like it's fuck off, once again.

[Jason's Storm]

Seeing how this is new lines baby, WB might give it a chance for a sequel. I think warner could care less about F13th.

~JS

[Chucky's back]

Englund or fuck off. Looks like it's fuck off, once again.
Amen to that.

[Rich]

I say bring it on! I can't get enough of these characters. We have Friday the 13th Part 2 in 3D (on hold, but I still think it will happen), The Texas Chainsaw Massacre 3D, Halloween 3D (on hold, but I still think it will happen), and now A Nightmare on Elm Street 2 in 3D!

It's like we're back in the 80s and I'm in all my glory. I say bring them on! I can't wait.

[Jus-X]

Meh. :meh:

I'm all for keeping my favorite characters alive, but I'm not big on 3D. To add it costs a fuckload to put these things in 3D. They should just make the movies in normal format and save the money. The less money it takes to make, the more films we get. I'm not saying go for dirt cheap and hire a cast with no personality and go back to fake blood and prosthetics, I'm saying if PD wants to get these films greenlit and into production, keep 'em in standard format. The gimmicks are the death scenes, you don't need to add another gimmic that costs a shitload of cash just so you can have production companies say "No, it'll cost too much!"

[The Dream Master]

Regarding the sequel, Dread Central says (http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/37293/a-nightmare-elm-street-3d-sequel-already-works):

Re-design Freddy's make-up so that he's at least a bit more menacing than Jim Carrey's portrayal of Fire Marshall Bill on "In Living Color".


http://www.dreadcentral.com/img/news/may10/fmb.jpg

:lol:

[Brett H.]

Would you guys stop making fun of the make-up? That guy was in WATCHMEN for fuck sakes! Show comics some respect!

[The Dream Master]

Oh yuh Watchmang ro0l let teh molleted bodiez hit teh floorz.

My idea for a sequel: sell the shit back to Bob Shaye, let him hire Renny Harlin, bring Englund back, and watch shit explode. :X

[Brett H.]

And I bet the budget would be halved for more talent. :X

[The Dream Master]

Shaye would be paying Renny in booze. Englund would be working for free as long as he didn't have to wear the makeup. Once they convinced him that makeup is essential, he'd work for free. There'd be no need to hire a writer for a script, considering Renny did just fine without one the first time around, so he'd just make it up as he went along. Can't wait to see the first production stills where Harlin has to reiterate Renny's Law. But after seeing that documentary, I think he's got a new one to add to the list: any broad who can get naked, should.

[WesReviews]

With the remake significantly underperforming both Freddy vs. Jason AND the Friday the 13th remake in its opening weekend (and likely to be further slaughtered by Iron Man 2 this coming weeekend) this alleged 3-D sequel is absolutely not going to happen.

We have won.

[Apocalypto]

Oh yuh Watchmang ro0l let teh molleted bodiez hit teh floorz.

My idea for a sequel: sell the shit back to Bob Shaye, let him hire Renny Harlin, bring Englund back, and watch shit explode. :X

and watch Freddy explode (IN 3D!!!:O) when he looks into a freakin' puddle and sees his relfection.:)

[The Tall Man]

Would you guys stop making fun of the make-up? That guy was in WATCHMEN for fuck sakes! Show comics some respect!
Boo, I've seen "Watchmen" and frankly, by the end of the movie, Haley's Rorshach was the only fucking character I still liked. And if that doesn't mean anything to you, I saw "Watchmen" WHILE Haley was shooting Not-Nightmare, so...

My idea for a sequel: sell the shit back to Bob Shaye, let him hire Renny Harlin, bring Englund back, and watch shit explode. :X
Lord... is that you?

and watch Freddy explode (IN 3D!!!:O)
Wait a second... didn't I see that already?

T.M., Esq.

[The Dream Master]

and watch Freddy explode (IN 3D!!!:O) when he looks into a freakin' puddle and sees his relfection.:)

Renny's ending for Nightmare 4 had more imagination in it than the entire remake, killer reflection nonsense be damned. :X

[Just Jeans]

Who wants to bet this gets cancelled?

I imagine it's more likely New Line takes it elsewhere, as Platinum Dunes keep wittering on about wanting to move away from horror.

[Apocalypto]

Renny's ending for Nightmare 4 had more imagination in it than the entire remake, killer reflection nonsense be damned. :X

I disagree...Freddy overcoming his fear of the mirror was a very powerful ending.:)

[The Dream Master]

Yeah, because we'd never seen Freddy jump through a mirror or pop out and kill Nancy's mom for a jump scare before. ;)

Freddy being torn apart by souls > rehashing an ending we've seen 3 times before (in fact, I liked Freddy losing his head while being told "welcome to my world" better when I saw it 7 years ago)

[Apocalypto]

Yeah, because we'd never seen Freddy jump through a mirror or pop out and kill Nancy's mom for a jump scare before. ;)

Freddy being torn apart by souls > rehashing an ending we've seen 3 times before (in fact, I liked Freddy losing his head while being told "welcome to my world" better when I saw it 7 years ago)

Yeah, I was just joking.;)

I do however find the evil shall see itself and it shall die mirror ending incredibly inane and just plain stupid though; but the shot of the souls bursting out of him was cool.

As for the ANOES2010 ending, I think it's a better version of the last shot from the original.

[The Dream Master]

The craziest part is that Freddy's reflection is seen in Debbie's barbell earlier in the movie with no devastating consequences! But hey, how else are you gonna kill a guy who was resurrected by flaming dog piss? ;)

As for the remake's ending...ehh, I like how the original did it better. Creepier, more atmospheric, not just a simple jump scare with a slam cut to the credits.

[Apocalypto]

I like the idea behind it, but inflate-a-mommy is a frontrunner for the most unintentionally funny thing I've ever seen in a horror film; when the original was re-released (I think it was two years ago) the audience laughed that shit right off the screen, and as much as I love the original film and as little stock as I tend to put in what others think when determining quality, I couldn't blame them one bit in that case.
It's just...freaking hilarious, and it's not meant to be.

[The Dream Master]

Yeah, it's pretty fake looking, but I always thought it was surreal looking too. I mean, it does take place in a dream, so it still kind of works.

For what it's worth, whenever I've seen it in theaters (twice now), most of the audience seemed to crack up at Marge's alcoholism for some reason. Couldn't quite figure that one out.

[Apocalypto]

Yeah, my audience was like that too...they found her overall performance hysterical when I saw it theatrically, but I certainly can't blame them there.

[Penhall]

If Platinum Dunes passes on a sequel, does that mean Bob Shaye is in charge of it? Or is he even still in charge of anything at Newline?

[The Dream Master]

No, Shaye was deposed at New Line 2 years ago. He has a new production company, Unique Features. If Platinum Dunes were to pass on a sequel, then it would go to another production company, or WB would do it in house.

How strange would it be if Unique could get involved though? I bet there's too much bad blood, and after hearing Shaye's comments about the remake, I don't think he'd bother.

[Apocalypto]

I don't think he has anything to do with New Line anymore...New Line is just a label now anyway as far as I know.

[Rick]

I doubt PD will pass if offered the sequel.
Bob Shay's gone from new line since WB absorbed them.

[Penhall]

Ah ok, thanks for the info, guys. I figured if Shaye had anything to do with Newline anymore he wouldnt have gone for the remake.

I can't wait to hear his thoughts on the remake when I get my doc...

[The Tall Man]

I disagree...Freddy overcoming his fear of the mirror was a very powerful ending.:)
He did that in Nightmare 5... when he sees his reflection in the dish-coverer as he carts it out to Greta. Not to mention when he either appears IN the mirror or behind Mark in Freddy vs. Jason.

The craziest part is that Freddy's reflection is seen in Debbie's barbell earlier in the movie with no devastating consequences! But hey, how else are you gonna kill a guy who was resurrected by flaming dog piss? ;)
I know! Stab him with his glove! That'll make sense. Wait.

As for the remake's ending...ehh, I like how the original did it better. Creepier, more atmospheric, not just a simple jump scare with a slam cut to the credits.
God yes. And it didn't need eye gougings to work either.

I like the idea behind it, but inflate-a-mommy is a frontrunner for the most unintentionally funny thing I've ever seen in a horror film
Frankly, I watched Nightmare today... the dummy looks exactly like what it's supposed to be: a woman being sucked into a door window. And as DM stated, it is a surreal dream, so it does what it was supposed to. Saying something in a dream looks fake is like claiming that Fuller n' Form are classy guys.

Holy fuck guys... I just saw a vision from one of my prophetic dreams as I finished typing the above.

when the original was re-released (I think it was two years ago) the audience laughed that shit right off the screen
That really doesn't mean anything. When I saw "Friday the 13th '80" in theaters a couple of years back, the kids in the audience laughed it off the screen. What they were laughing at, I couldn't tell you to save my life. It was fucking annoying.

It's just...freaking hilarious, and it's not meant to be.
Only if you're jaded.

For what it's worth, whenever I've seen it in theaters (twice now), most of the audience seemed to crack up at Marge's alcoholism for some reason. Couldn't quite figure that one out.
Because they're stupid cunts?

Yeah, my audience was like that too...they found her overall performance hysterical when I saw it theatrically, but I certainly can't blame them there.
I do. They're stupid cunts.

I don't think he has anything to do with New Line anymore...New Line is just a label now anyway as far as I know.
New Line Cinema is dead. Robert Shaye was New Line. And since it was wrested away from him, this entity calling itself "New Line Cinema" is no more New Line than Haley is Freddy Krueger. Far as I'm concerned, Unique is New Line now.

T.M., Esq.

[Apocalypto]

I do. They're stupid cunts.

Perhaps, but not for that reason; her performance was laughable, and even that's putting it delicately.

"Only if you're jaded."

Or if an effect bears a striking resemblance to a blow up doll. Freddy having his face pulled off to reveal a skull beneath it happened in a dream too, but it didn't look absolutely ridiculous as that final shot did.

[Penhall]

The final shot in Nightmare 1 never bothered me. I always thought it looked fine...

*shrugs*

[The Tall Man]

Perhaps, but not for that reason; her performance was laughable, and even that's putting it delicately.
I would like a why.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with Blakely's turn... especially after seeing Connie Britton's "performance" in the corresponding role. Ugh.

T.M., Esq.

[God of Thunder]

He did that in Nightmare 5... when he sees his reflection in the dish-coverer as he carts it out to Greta. Not to mention when he either appears IN the mirror or behind Mark in Freddy vs. Jason.


I know! Stab him with his glove! That'll make sense. Wait.


God yes. And it didn't need eye gougings to work either.


Frankly, I watched Nightmare today... the dummy looks exactly like what it's supposed to be: a woman being sucked into a door window. And as DM stated, it is a surreal dream, so it does what it was supposed to. Saying something in a dream looks fake is like claiming that Fuller n' Form are classy guys.

Holy fuck guys... I just saw a vision from one of my prophetic dreams as I finished typing the above.


That really doesn't mean anything. When I saw "Friday the 13th '80" in theaters a couple of years back, the kids in the audience laughed it off the screen. What they were laughing at, I couldn't tell you to save my life. It was fucking annoying.


Only if you're jaded.


Because they're stupid cunts?


I do. They're stupid cunts.


New Line Cinema is dead. Robert Shaye was New Line. And since it was wrested away from him, this entity calling itself "New Line Cinema" is no more New Line than Haley is Freddy Krueger. Far as I'm concerned, Unique is New Line now.

T.M., Esq.

THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Darth Reaper]

My idea for a sequel: sell the shit back to Bob Shaye, let him hire Renny Harlin, bring Englund back, and watch shit explode.- The Dream Master

Even Englund himself is saying that he's probably too old to be playing Freddy. I fear we're going to have to accept that his days as the dream master are done.

And, frankly I'd want them to give the sequel to somebody who knows how to make good horror movies. I'd prefer to see the series maintain a tone more like parts 1-3. I'm not convinced that Renny Harlin can pull that off.

this entity calling itself "New Line Cinema" is no more New Line than Haley is Freddy Krueger.- The Tall Man

I thought Haley did fine as Freddy. He was the highlight of an otherwise lackluster movie.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with Blakely's turn... especially after seeing Connie Britton's "performance" in the corresponding role. Ugh.

The sad part is that Connie didn't really have much of a part to play. She might have been brilliant for all I know, but they didn't give her anything to do.

[Apocalypto]

I would like a why.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with Blakely's turn... especially after seeing Connie Britton's "performance" in the corresponding role. Ugh.

T.M., Esq.

It's so obvious I can't believe someone can ask, you're the first person that I've ever come across, including die hard fans of the movie, that didn't find it to be terrible...it couldn't have been more obvious that she was acting, for one thing...not to mention that she barely changed expression. She had that same laughably melodramatic look on her face the entire film.

At worst, the mother in the new film was just wooden. Blakely's acting was outright appalling, the worst performance in a Freddy, Jason, or Michael film.

Her performance was about as believable as that effect at the end of the film.
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The sad part is that Connie didn't really have much of a part to play. She might have been brilliant for all I know, but they didn't give her anything to do.

Pretty much, I was just indifferent to it, there wasn't enough to it to stand out one way or another.

[Rick]

The original Elm St was filled with bad acting, just like most of the other 80's horror flicks regardless of the series.
Take any entry in any series and you may find one or two actors that are really good, the rest of the cast is either passable or just down right bad.
I didn't think anyone from the new film, acting wise, was any worse then anyone from the original.
In fact I thought most of the cast of the remake out-acted most of the original cast by miles.
That goes for the Friday the 13th remake as well.

[The Dream Master]

Update: (http://www.empireonline.com/news/feed.asp?NID=27765)

Well, that didn’t take long: with more than $30 million in the bank after one weekend in the States, the remake of dream demon thriller A Nightmare On Elm Street seems to have Warners ready to open the coffers to develop a sequel in – ironic drum roll please – 3D.

"We don't have a story yet, but this is the largest horror opening in the April-May corridor, and it just proves there's a lot left in the franchise," Warner distribution president Dan Fellman tells The Wrap.

Despite the middling critical notices, that strong first weekend at the box office means that the production team at Platinum Dunes can begin working on the next film.

While Jackie Earle Haley, barring a sudden allergy to the make-up, looks set to return, director Samuel Bayer might not be so ready for Freddy again. “Platinum Dunes is very open to the possibility of a Nightmare sequel,” producer Andrew Form told Dread Central. “It would be amazing to work with Jackie and the cast again. Unfortunately, as far as we know right now, Sam wouldn’t be back to direct the follow-up, but we’d love to come back to Elm Street because Freddy always has a story to tell. We definitely left ourselves open for a sequel so it would be a great privilege to get to do another Nightmare film."

And though we’re sure they’ll find a way to make it fit into their philosophy, the producers seemed careful not to commit to 3D without a good idea behind it. I think that making the Nightmare sequel in 3D is a bigger discussion than for right here," says fellow producer Brad Fuller. "We think that 3D movies have to be designed and written as such. If Eric Heisserer and Wesley Strick came to us with a Nightmare script that is for a 3D movie, we’d be fools not to make it.”

If Clash Of The Titans has taught us anything, it's that even if the Dunes team opt not to make it 3D, Warner Bros. has the means to do it for them. And even Michael Bay might not be able to stop it.

But let's not consider it as hitting cinemas just yet - after all, Paramount seemed all systems go on a new Friday The 13th after that remake did decent business, but Jason Voorhees is still moldering away after a recent reversal.

[Rich]

So that last sentence suggests that it's Paramount that is reluctant to make another Friday the 13th films right away. I wish they would look at what Twisted Pictures is (has been) doing with the Saw franchise, and realize that with Jason Voorhees, they have a much better franchise and a much better character (and less expensive to make) and if Saw can make a new movie every year there is no excuse to not have a new Friday the 13th movie every year. The problem lies with there being too many hands in the pie.

As far as the Nightmare 2 in 3D goes, I saw bring it on! If Wesley writes and Boyer directs, I'm all for it. I love what they did with Nightmare 2010.

[The Dream Master]

Bayer is not going to direct the sequel; he said months ago that he wouldn't come back.

And that article might have Paramount confused for WB with F13. By Fuller's account, it's really both studios holding it back because they don't want to share profits on something that might not make that much money the next time out.

[Harmonic Bond]

New screenwriters, please. Bayer is no big loss either. He did ok, but I was expecting much bigger things from him. It is a sequel, why not get someone from the franchise. Where are you, Chuck Russell?

[The Dream Master]

I can just see it now: the barking pig in 3D.

Shannon and Swift should write the next movie, the one that I'd have Renny directing. :X

[Apocalypto]

Bayer is not going to direct the sequel; he said months ago that he wouldn't come back.

So did Zombie.:X

[The Tall Man]

Even Englund himself is saying that he's probably too old to be playing Freddy.
You know, people keep claiming this but has anyone actually SEEN or READ an interview where Englund says this? I know that I haven't, and I just saw that "Post Mortum" interview he did with Mick Garris. Nor does he say anything about being "too old" in his autobiography.

This sounds like at best more Jason wouldn't do that, and at worst, an outright lie to me.

It's so obvious I can't believe someone can ask
Apparently it's NOT so obvious since I find her performance as a divorced, alcoholic mom hiding a terrible secret to be fine. Not to mention that I've KNOWN people like that.

not to mention that she barely changed expression. She had that same laughably melodramatic look on her face the entire film.
Blakely's acting was outright appalling, the worst performance in a Freddy, Jason, or Michael film.
Have you SEEN Smilin' Will in FvsJ?

T.M., Esq.

[Dead Cell]

Yeah. I don't get it. I thought Ronee Blakely did just fine in part 1.

[Michellemabelle]

Have you SEEN Smilin' Will in FvsJ?

T.M., Esq.

I couldn't stand that constant smug fucking grin. :X

[Apocalypto]

Have you SEEN Smilin' Will in FvsJ?

T.M., Esq.

Yes, terrible; yet still not as bad as her...and her performance was bad enough that her co-workers laugh at it on the commentary.

[Penhall]

Bayer is not going to direct the sequel; he said months ago that he wouldn't come back.

And that article might have Paramount confused for WB with F13. By Fuller's account, it's really both studios holding it back because they don't want to share profits on something that might not make that much money the next time out.

I'm confused as to why Paramount has anything to do with the new Friday. I realize they were involved with the remake, but why a new sequel? Is it because it'll have "Part 2" in the title?

[Darth Reaper]

You know, people keep claiming this but has anyone actually SEEN or READ an interview where Englund says this? I know that I haven't, and I just saw that "Post Mortum" interview he did with Mick Garris. Nor does he say anything about being "too old" in his autobiography.

This sounds like at best more Jason wouldn't do that, and at worst, an outright lie to me.- The Tall Man

He says it in issue 99 of Rue Morgue.

[The Dream Master]

So did Zombie.:X

This is true, but I'm pretty sure there were tensions between Bayer and the producers (don't quote me exactly on that though). Then again, I don't think there was much love lost between Zombie and the Weinsteins either, so who knows? I seriously doubt Bayer comes back though.

I'm confused as to why Paramount has anything to do with the new Friday. I realize they were involved with the remake, but why a new sequel? Is it because it'll have "Part 2" in the title?

It had to be some kind of deal Paramount made when they were hammering out the agreement for the first one. It's the only thing that makes sense.

[The Dude]

Yeah. I don't get it. I thought Ronee Blakely did just fine in part 1.

Her over the top, overly dramatic acting is one of the things that makes the original a classic. She's hilarious!

[Jus-X]

This sounds like at best more Jason wouldn't do that, and at worst, an outright lie to me.
Okay... um... you DO know Kane's on film saying this... Right? I just want to know the purpose of comparing to this statement with the above?


Have you SEEN Smilin' Will in FvsJ?

T.M., Esq.
I couldn't stand that constant smug fucking grin. :X

Word. Horrible actor with that idiot smirk in every situation.

Her over the top, overly dramatic acting is one of the things that makes the original a classic. She's hilarious!

"Thats enough!" delivered by Heather was the funniest line of the film. Just came out of no where.

[The Tall Man]

He says it in issue 99 of Rue Morgue.
If I may dust off an old chestnut...

*ahem*

FUCK RUE MORGUE.

That is all.

T.M., Esq.
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Okay... um... you DO know Kane's on film saying this... Right? I just want to know the purpose of comparing to this statement with the above?
Because it snowballed out of control until it was something completely alien to what it started out as. Kane said it in reference to Jason kicking a dog, not 99% of what it was attributed to.

"Thats enough!" delivered by Heather was the funniest line of the film. Just came out of no where.
Actually, that's her response to Marge telling her Freddy's "only a nightmare". "That's enough" as in it's too much as it is.

[Jus-X]

Because it snowballed out of control until it was something completely alien to what it started out as. Kane said it in reference to Jason kicking a dog, not 99% of what it was attributed to.
Kane's said it twice. In refrence to 8 with kicking a dog, and in refrence to X with running after a grunt. But other than those two instances is HAS gotten blown out of proportion by fans in other refrences.


Actually, that's her response to Marge telling her Freddy's "only a nightmare". "That's enough" as in it's too much as it is.
Yes Tally, I know what it's in response to, but it didn't seem to fit in their arguement and it was delivered hilariously.

[Penhall]

Kane's said it twice. In refrence to 8 with kicking a dog, and in refrence to X with running after a grunt. But other than those two instances is HAS gotten blown out of proportion by fans in other refrences.

This is true, and I don't understand why some fans use those words to bash Kane. All he was doing was protecting the character.

And as for Englund reprising the role of Freddy, he could be 90 years old in a wheelchair and I still think he'd do it if asked.

[Darth Reaper]

If I may dust off an old chestnut...

*ahem*

FUCK RUE MORGUE.

That is all.

T.M., Esq.- The Tall Man

Englund still said it to them.

That is all.

Yes Tally, I know what it's in response to, but it didn't seem to fit in their arguement and it was delivered hilariously.- Justyn

It fit just fine. By that point Freddy being "only a nightmare" was bad enough to get Nancy killed in horrible ways, so it warrented the anxiety that she was feeling. Her mom was trying to convince her that there was no real problem but Nancy knew that there was.

[The Tall Man]

And as for Englund reprising the role of Freddy, he could be 90 years old in a wheelchair and I still think he'd do it if asked.
You know Peter Cushing once remarked that he would portray Van Helsing or Baron Frankenstein from a wheelchair for his fans.

That is all.
Thief. :no:

T.M., Esq.

[Chucky's back]

I never understood this deal with people saying Englund is to old to play the character, it's not like anyone is gonna notice any wrinkles or grey hair underneath a thick layer of burn makeup anyway.

[WesReviews]

No, Shaye was deposed at New Line 2 years ago. He has a new production company, Unique Features. If Platinum Dunes were to pass on a sequel, then it would go to another production company, or WB would do it in house.

How strange would it be if Unique could get involved though? I bet there's too much bad blood, and after hearing Shaye's comments about the remake, I don't think he'd bother.

Woah, I must've missed Shaye's comments on the remake. Enlighten me, dude!

[The Dream Master]

On the extended interviews on the Never Sleep Again documentary, Shaye basically says that the remake was a terrible idea and that he had nothing to do with it, despite NLC slapping his name on it.

[Jus-X]

I never understood this deal with people saying Englund is to old to play the character, it's not like anyone is gonna notice any wrinkles or grey hair underneath a thick layer of burn makeup anyway.

I think it's more along the lines of Freddy's physical demeanor. Running, being limber, etc. Yeah, they could CG the moves like Matrix 2 did, but it'll be obvious. Or they could give him a body double and CG his face on, but then what's the point, ya know?

[Geddy Peart]

I think it's more along the lines of Freddy's physical demeanor. Running, being limber, etc. Yeah, they could CG the moves like Matrix 2 did, but it'll be obvious. Or they could give him a body double and CG his face on, but then what's the point, ya know?


That's a load of poppy cock. Robert can still do the physical stuff, 62 isn't that old. He's a pretty active guy for his age as well, doing a lot of surfing, etc. I'm not even going to go into deatails as why Stallone and Harrison Ford are good examples. Besides, how physically demanding was the role of Freddy in the original films anyways? Not much. And it's not like he would have to run after anyone. He didn't really chase anyone in FVJ and many feel that was one of his best Freddy performances.

In the end, it's kind of a mute point to argue. Robert's not going to return. Not because he doesn't want to, but because PD are idiots. They think a new Freddy is needed when in reality, the general public will most likely accept whatever. It's the hardcore fans (us) they should concentrate on pleasing. If they had a good script, decent actors and Robert as Freddy I'm sure many us of would see it multiple times in the theaters just because we'd want it to do well.

But like I said, it'll never happen because PD needs to see a proctologist as their collective head is stuck you know where.

[Jus-X]

Robert can still do the physical stuff, 62 isn't that old. He's a pretty active guy for his age as well, doing a lot of surfing, etc. I'm not even going to go into deatails as why Stallone and Harrison Ford are good examples. Besides, how physically demanding was the role of Freddy in the original films anyways? Not much. And it's not like he would have to run after anyone. He didn't really chase anyone in FVJ and many feel that was one of his best Freddy performances.

In the end, it's kind of a mute point to argue. Robert's not going to return. Not because he doesn't want to, but because PD are idiots. They think a new Freddy is needed when in reality, the general public will most likely accept whatever. It's the hardcore fans (us) they should concentrate on pleasing. If they had a good script, decent actors and Robert as Freddy I'm sure many us of would see it multiple times in the theaters just because we'd want it to do well.

But like I said, it'll never happen because PD needs to see a proctologist as their collective head is stuck you know where.

I'm not saying it's what I think. I'm saying maybe Englund thinks it, which is why he said he wouldnt' come back to the series? Just food for thought.

That's a load of poppy cock.
I wouldn't know what that is dude. But more power to ya!:p

[The Dream Master]

Englund didn't start saying that kind of shit until after the remake was in production. Before then, he even said he would play Freddy in the remake. This is not to mention the fact that he was going around saying "the glove still fits" after FvJ and pimping all kinds of possible projects (prequels, FvJvA, that Myers crossover).

[The Tall Man]

Shaye basically says that the remake was a terrible idea and that he had nothing to do with it, despite NLC slapping his name on it.
I love Bob Shaye. :shy:

That's a load of poppy cock. Robert can still do the physical stuff, 62 isn't that old. He's a pretty active guy for his age as well, doing a lot of surfing, etc.
Englund has said that he can still do ANYTHING once. It's the multiple takes that get him.

Englund didn't start saying that kind of shit until after the remake was in production. Before then, he even said he would play Freddy in the remake. This is not to mention the fact that he was going around saying "the glove still fits" after FvJ and pimping all kinds of possible projects (prequels, FvJvA, that Myers crossover).
^^^ This. I guarantee you, if someone offered him Freddy again, the exchange would go something like this:

<Film People> We want you to play Freddy again.
<Englund> I'm in as long as the catering is great and I don't have to wear makeup.
<Film People> The craft service will be the best in Hollywood. However, yes, you'll need to wear makeup.
<Englund> I'm in!

T.M., Esq.

[Geddy Peart]

I wouldn't know what that is dude. But more power to ya!:p


From Wikipedia:

Poppycock – anglicized form of the Dutch pappekak,[1] which literally means soft dung or diarrhea (from Dutch pap pap + kak dung) – is an interjection meaning "nonsense" or "balderdash".
ADDED:

Englund has said that he can still do ANYTHING once. It's the multiple takes that get him.




But why would playing Freddy really need to be strenuous? He doesn't necessarily have to get physical with running, stunts, etc. As I said earlier, he didn't chase anyone in FVJ and other than the fight with Jason, he didn't do anything that was terribly demanding (physically speaking) and I thought he was great.

[The Dream Master]

You know, when the box office was first announced for the remake, I thought an impressive final total would be a lock. Now, I think it's going to limp to $50 million (which isn't peanuts, don't get me wrong), but with a $35 million budget, I wonder just how successful this one will be considered. It even had a bigger Friday to Saturday drop-off than Friday the 13th did, and we see the trepidation about moving forward with a sequel there. Granted, New Line and WB don't have to worry about sharing profits on a Nightmare sequel, but still...if this one cost $35 million to make, 3D will make the sequel cost more, and we all know that most sequels see significant diminishing returns.

[The Tall Man]

I'm hearing rumblings that Warner isn't very happy with Not-Nightmare.

T.M., Esq.

[Penhall]

I just don't understand what they spent the 35 million bucks on. The budget for Nightmare 3 and 4 was like 5 million bucks. Taking inflation into account, that's nowhere near 35 million dollars.

They need to shrink the budgets on these films (Jason, Freddy, Michael, Leatherface). Not only will they make a bigger profit, but maybe the new films won't feel so damned soul-less...

[NW77]

I'm hearing rumblings that Warner isn't very happy with Not-Nightmare.

T.M., Esq.

Yeah....rumblings. ;)


And as for the sequel, I hope they can make the story better & no 3D. I'm getting sick of it & I love 3D!!


Also, you guys should check out Englund's comment on JEH here:

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[The Dark Vampire]

I am a huge Freddy fan but after watching the remake and if that's the best they can do then I am going to say something I never thought I would say I hope they don't bother with another one

[The Tall Man]

Yeah....rumblings. ;)
Um... if you mean something there you should probably explain.

Also, you guys should check out Englund's comment on JEH here:
Check out what? Englund OBVIOUSLY had not seen the remake. Or if he was, he was ducking what he really thought about Haley.

T.M., Esq.

[The Dream Master]

The remake didn't perform much better than F13 on its second Friday; looks like it could be close to the 80% drop it experienced for the second weekend.

[The Dream Master]

Just to update, the film experienced at 72% drop-off in its second weekend, bringing its total up to $48 million. Looking more and more like this one will struggle to get much more than $50 million.

[Apocalypto]

I don't know about that, I think it'll be around $60 mill by the end of its run. If it's already at $48 mill it's getting well over 50, terrible legs or not.

[Darth Reaper]

Check out what? Englund OBVIOUSLY had not seen the remake. Or if he was, he was ducking what he really thought about Haley.

T.M., Esq.

Or, he actually liked Haley's performance. I know, it's a crazy idea, but maybe he doesn't see things the same way you do.

Besides, they didn't ask him how he felt about the whole movie, they just asked him how he felt about Haley. I thought the movie itself was disappointing, but I thought Haley was a high point.

[The Tall Man]

Or, he actually liked Haley's performance.
And you got that from that video how? He doesn't say dick about him. "He's an interesting choice" in no way clues you in to Englund having seen the movie. On top of that, when was the last time you heard Englund badmouth anybody? He just doesn't do it in public.

T.M., Esq.

[The Dream Master]

I don't know about that, I think it'll be around $60 mill by the end of its run. If it's already at $48 mill it's getting well over 50, terrible legs or not.

Don't get me wrong, it's going to get past $50 million, but, like I said, it's going to struggle to get there. Before it came out (even knowing Iron Man 2 was looming), I thought it would get to $60 million easily because I figured it'd be past the $50 million mark by the second weekend.

[Jus-X]

Don't get me wrong, it's going to get past $50 million, but, like I said, it's going to struggle to get there. Before it came out (even knowing Iron Man 2 was looming), I thought it would get to $60 million easily because I figured it'd be past the $50 million mark by the second weekend.

Yeah. even though it was second place at the Box Office, it only made 9 mil, comparing to Iron Man 2 which made $100 mil +.

Nightmare's only going down from here, and it will at an alarming rate. Horror movie fans can only pray PD made enough money for a sequel their favorite remake. I'd rather see an F13 sequel over Nightmare, but to have both would be awesome as well.

[Darth Reaper]

And you got that from that video how? He doesn't say dick about him. "He's an interesting choice" in no way clues you in to Englund having seen the movie. On top of that, when was the last time you heard Englund badmouth anybody? He just doesn't do it in public.

T.M., Esq.

I didn't get anything for certain, and that's the point. Based on your last post you're assuming that Englund either hadn't seen the movie yet or he wasn't saying how he really feels. You seem to be under the impression that if he had seen the film he would dislike Haley's performance and just not admit it in public. I'm saying there's no way to be sure of anything. He could very well like Haley's performance. He could like the whole film. Anything's possible. All we know for sure is what he said.

[The Tall Man]

Horror movie fans can only pray PD made enough money for a sequel their favorite remake. I'd rather see an F13 sequel over Nightmare, but to have both would be awesome as well.
I'm a horror movie fan and I pray that PD goes away. I'll take no more movies over abominations like these.

I'm saying there's no way to be sure of anything.
I'm not 100% sure. But I know Englund. He's pretty predictable by now. I'll tell you, if Englund did see the remake and then said publically that he didn't like it or badmouthed it some way, that would surprise me because he generally doesn't do shit like that.

T.M., Esq.

[NW77]

Or, he actually liked Haley's performance. I know, it's a crazy idea, but maybe he doesn't see things the same way you do.

Besides, they didn't ask him how he felt about the whole movie, they just asked him how he felt about Haley. I thought the movie itself was disappointing, but I thought Haley was a high point.

Yep. Even though the remake has it share of problem, Jackie was the highlight of the film.

[Hypnocil]

I'm thinking they are going to go in a new direction.

We'll find out that Sister Amanda paid a hundred maniacs to raep her son, and that's how the viscious cycle of child abuse continues, because this Freddy also has a grown-up daughter that rapes abused teens in a half-way house because her father raeped her.

I can see the Oscar Mr. Haley will win for his heartfelt speech about how he wants his daughter to turn herself in before she meets the same fate as him, and she responds by raeping him!

Bring on Nightmare on Elm Street part 2: Freddy's Raep

[The Tall Man]

Hyp... is that "A Nightmare on Elm Street" as written by Rob Zombie? :duh:

T.M., Esq.

[Hypnocil]

"Yeah man...I was watching the new Nightmare on Elm Street and realized I never got a chance to tackle ped-o-feelya in either of my Halloweens! That's too fuckn harsh to not explore fully. I never liked how those shitty original sequels called him "the bastard son of a hundred maniacs", after this one fans will start calling him "The bitch boy of a hundred maniacs." People will sympathize with Freddy because they understand his dark origins. Oh, and he'll have a telepathic link with his daughter, Katherine. It'll all make sense. When Freddy gets raped, he sees aquamarine giraffes. The meaning of this will be explored.

Oh, and forget the whole 3-D thing. This is being filmed in 3-RAEPD. We'll be gluing dildoes to the theater seats, so fans can experience the raping themselves! Everytime someone is raepd or the word "molester" is said, an electric shock will course through the dildoes. This will fuckin' revolutionize the way horror fans will view Freddy, forever man!":sniffle:

[nottidelterrore]

"Yeah man...I was watching the new Nightmare on Elm Street and realized I never got a chance to tackle ped-o-feelya in either of my Halloweens! That's too fuckn harsh to not explore fully. I never liked how those shitty original sequels called him "the bastard son of a hundred maniacs", after this one fans will start calling him "The bitch boy of a hundred maniacs." People will sympathize with Freddy because they understand his dark origins. Oh, and he'll have a telepathic link with his daughter, Katherine. It'll all make sense. When Freddy gets raped, he sees aquamarine giraffes. The meaning of this will be explored.

Oh, and forget the whole 3-D thing. This is being filmed in 3-RAEPD. We'll be gluing dildoes to the theater seats, so fans can experience the raping themselves! Everytime someone is raepd or the word "molester" is said, an electric shock will course through the dildoes. This will fuckin' revolutionize the way horror fans will view Freddy, forever man!":sniffle:

:lol:

Is that you, Rob Zombie?

Welcome back, Hypno! Glad to have you back!

[The Tall Man]

:lol:

Is that you, Rob Zombie?

Welcome back, Hypno! Glad to have you back!
^^^ This.

T.M., Esq.

[Hypnocil]

Thanks, guys. :)

In an unprecedented move, actress Sherri Moon-Zombie has been cast in not one, but three seperate roles in A Nightmare on Elm Street 2: Freddy's Raep.

"Well, I can never say no to my husband when he offers me a role," chuckles Moon-Zombie, "so imagine my shock when he offers me three seperate parts! I look at this as a totally serious acting challenge!"

When asked what the three roles are, Moon-Zombie smiles, "Well the first is Sister Amanda. At first I was going to just wear a naughty nun outfit, but Rob has me wearing a lot of leather and instead of a Bible I hold a whip. I think all the teen boys out there will enjoy it. The second is Whoretta Krueger, Freddy's wife! I work as a local call girl, and turn a blind eye to the child abuse happening to my daughter. I really get to delve into...uh...dramatics with her. The third role, my favorite, is Katherine Krueger, Freddy's daughter!

I was nervous Katherine might seem too much like Whoretta so Rob threw this black, sholder-length wig on me. I don't think anyone will recognize me in a black wig, and the best part about my character is the visions of Sister Amanda I start seeing at the end, which ties together with my father in ways I can't reveal....you'll have to see the movie to know what I'm talking about!" Moon-Zombie says with a wink. ;)

[The Tall Man]

I think maybe Hyp has been channeling Wes' uncanny ability to channel Zombie. :shock:

T.M., Esq.

[Dead Cell]

LMAO!! :lmao::lmao::eek::lmao:

[Jus-X]

When Freddy gets raped, he sees aquamarine giraffes..

:lmao::lmao::lmao:

[Rich]

The remake didn't perform much better than F13 on its second Friday; looks like it could be close to the 80% drop it experienced for the second weekend.

Three words: Iron Man Two. Did Warner actually think Nightmare on Elm Street was going to compete with Iron Man 2?

I mean, come on, you HAVE to expect that. The horror genre has always been an opening weekend gig. For the most part, these movies have a very specific audience. They do very well opening weekends (always number 1) and then drop off by the next week. Then they always do well in merchandise and home video sales. Horror is not a fast nickel genre. It is a slow dime genre, because it's target audience supports it.

[The Dream Master]

I've got four more words for you: poor word of mouth. Even with Iron Man 2 out, if it was getting better reviews and word of mouth, it'd still be making money, but it isn't. It was the very definition of a "fast nickel" movie, seeing as how it made half of its gross (so far) on its first weekend. In fact, that's how most horror is, and it's why studios produce them quick and fast--to make a quick buck. But still, a 70% drop-off is pretty poor, and the reception as been lukewarm at best, regardless of the competition. I would be very surprised to see WB greenlight a sequel without cutting the budget down big time. I still haven't figured out how it cost more to make this movie than Freddy vs. Jason.

[The Dark Vampire]

True Iron Man 2 was out here a week before NOES and it still did badly here.

I know at least 3-4 ppl who are not going to watch it just based on what they have heard about it

[Voorheeszilla]

I actually believed that this movie was going to have a better box office performance than it ultimately did. But yeah, poor word of mouth killed it. I know these are horror movies & all, but I'll be glad when they stop putting the majority of them together for a quick buck so that they can be more receptive to audiences. I did enjoy this movie a lot, but for the sequel (assuming one is made), they need to up their game.

[brooklynpsycho]

32 mil isn't actually very good (with a 27 mil budget). It's barely breaking even. A movie needs to make back three times its budget to be considered a success.

T.M., Esq.

True, but it already did. Worldwide gross so far: $74,283,852, that is just amazing. The new Nightmare is a big success. I loved it!
ADDED:
I say bring it on! I can't get enough of these characters. We have Friday the 13th Part 2 in 3D (on hold, but I still think it will happen), The Texas Chainsaw Massacre 3D, Halloween 3D (on hold, but I still think it will happen), and now A Nightmare on Elm Street 2 in 3D!

It's like we're back in the 80s and I'm in all my glory. I say bring them on! I can't wait.

That's what I love to hear. I can't get enough of these movies either. Would love to see them all made and in 3D.

[The Dream Master]

$74 million is not three times its production budget. It's not even two. :X Considering the budget and the lukewarm reaction across the board, I would not call this movie a "big success." A modest one that had a good opening, maybe. But I don't think anyone at the WB office is doing cartwheels at this point.

[The Tall Man]

$74,283,852, that is just amazing.
Nnnnno it's not.

And by the way, that "three times its budget"... they mean domestically. It's not even at 60 mil domestically. And 14 mil elsewhere in the world? Hoo-boy. That's an epic fail.

The new Nightmare is a big success.
No it isn't.

$74 million is not three times its production budget. It's not even two. :X Considering the budget and the lukewarm reaction across the board, I would not call this movie a "big success." A modest one that had a good opening, maybe. But I don't think anyone at the WB office is doing cartwheels at this point.
^^^ This.

But I don't think anyone at the WB office is doing cartwheels at this point
They aren't. They're pretty disappointed with how Not-Nightmare did.

T.M., Esq.

[Dead Cell]

They aren't. They're pretty disappointed with how Not-Nightmare did.
They have only themselves to blame. How do you screw up a tried and true formula that's worked for over 25 years?

[The Tall Man]

Dead, Warner didn't make Not-Nightmare. Plantinum Dunces did for New Line. How do you screw up a formula that worked for years? Well... you'll have to ask Fuller n' Form. And I guarantee you those asshats don't think they screwed anything up.

T.M., Esq.

[Dead Cell]

Dead, Warner didn't make Not-Nightmare. Plantinum Dunces did for New Line. How do you screw up a formula that worked for years? Well... you'll have to ask Fuller n' Form. And I guarantee you those asshats don't think they screwed anything up.

T.M., Esq.
Oops, :p
*picks WB up off the ground, brushes the dust off them, sends them on their way. Redirects comments at PD*

[The Dark Vampire]

At this point I would prefer them not to do anymore if they do they should wait a few years and just start again or at worse do a Incredible Hulk on it a reboot what doesn't exactly say the 1st one didn't happen but changes the events enough to be a fresh start

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

Maybe the 3-D will make Non-Freddy look a little taller.

'Fucker looked like a damn midget.

[Voorheeszilla]

Funny, I never even paid attention to his height throughout the film.

[brooklynpsycho]

Funny, I never even paid attention to his height throughout the film.

Same goes for me.

__________________
"To avoid fainting keep repeating, 'It's only a movie...only a movie...only a movie...'"
- The Last House on the Left tagline

[Ron]

Great, this is all we need. Not-Freddy limping off screen at up in 3-D.

[brooklynpsycho]

Domestic gross so far: $59,931,000, Worldwide: $76,931,000. It made an estimate of $2,285,000 this weekend after 4 weeks of release. Still making money even after all the negative reviews and word of mouth. :lmao: That is just awesome. :D

__________________
"To avoid fainting keep repeating, 'It's only a movie...only a movie...only a movie...'"
- The Last House on the Left tagline

o·pin·ion - a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.

[The Dream Master]

Well, I wouldn't call 2 million dollars in the 4th weekend of release much to brag about. :X I mean, compare it to movies that do have good word of mouth, and it's unimpressive. Date Night and that CGI kids Dragon movie came out well before this and are making the same amount of money, if not better.

If you would have told WB that this movie would end up making as much as the F13 reboot (best case scenario at this point), I think they would consider it a disappointment, especially considering the money they pumped into it. Like I said...modest success (due to a big opening weekend) at best, and it's actually done worse than I thought it would. Plus, everything I'd read leading up to release said the budget was more in the mid-20s, not 35, which just blows my mind. How in the hell did this movie cost more than Freddy vs. Jason? It doesn't show.

[The Tall Man]

Brooklyn, I don't think you quite grasp how the money stuff works. I'll admit, I'm not a money man. But I know that this movie making 60 mil on a 35 mil budget and 16 mil elsewhere in the world is not impressive at all.

I might even go so far as to say it's bombed, but I know I couldn't get anyone else to cosign that.

T.M., Esq.

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

I might even go so far as to say it's bombed, but I know I couldn't get anyone else to cosign that.

http://www.mjstrauss.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/atomic_bomb_explosion_2-copy.jpg
I'll co-sign the shit out of that. It sucked all kinds of ass.

[The Dark Vampire]

;412487']
I'll co-sign the shit out of that. It sucked all kinds of ass.[/CENTER]
I'll sign to it sucked more than a nympho at a gang bang

[The Dream Master]

Well, I will co-sign that it wasn't a very good movie, but I can't call the box office performance a "bomb." Unimpressive yes, but it won't exactly bankrupt WB anytime soon.

[Apocalypto]

It's done fairly well, just not great, definitely not a bomb or even especially close.
Being a bad film (which I don't think this was, but even for the sake of argument) doesn't make a film a bomb. The Transformers films are megahits, and they're also among the worst films I've ever suffered through in theatres.

[The Dark Vampire]

It may not be a bomb in the literal meaning but it has done no where near what WB thought it was going to so I do doubt we will get another one as both FvsJ and F13th reboot did a lot better and both sequels to those were cancelled.

I think it’s a case where they may of made a bit of profit but not really enough for it to be worth all the work what went into it

[The Dream Master]

Yeah, it's going to be interesting for sure to see what happens. I dunno, I certainly would expect WB to take a look at cutting down the budget, especially if they're wanting to do 3D. It won't be enough for PD to say "we'd like to do another one" because WB will have to sign off on that first, and I bet there will be haggling on both sides. With PD getting The Monster Squad and a couple other recently announced titles off the ground, I think it means two things: either the next Nightmare will not involve them, or it's going to be a while before we see it. Like, a few years. And you know, Haley will be 50 years old by then...he might be too old. ;)

[The Tall Man]

Unimpressive yes, but it won't exactly bankrupt WB anytime soon.
Bombs don't have to collapse a studio, sir.

I know it's not a Wes Craven's New Nightmare-type bomb, but I want to call it one anyway cause it makes me feel good. I'm very happy with the way the picture's been performing. But I'd trade it all though for a little less. :shy:

T.M., Esq.

[The Dream Master]

Well, let's just look at that for a second. I think New Nightmare cost something like 8 million bucks, and made 18 million. So, if we're gonna just look at pure profits, New Nightmare was a more successful venture. :X

Also, if you adjust WCNN for inflation, it really doesn't look all that bad--it would have made about 35 million bucks in today's dollars. Not bad for a sixth sequel that was really a very poorly advertised spin-off.

[Patrick]

I know I'm gonna be royally pissed if a sequel to 'A Nightmare on Elm Street' gets greenlit before a sequel to 'Friday the 13th'.

[The Tall Man]

Well, let's just look at that for a second. I think New Nightmare cost something like 8 million bucks, and made 18 million. So, if we're gonna just look at pure profits, New Nightmare was a more successful venture. :X
Whoa, whoa... let's hold on a second here. I don't know where you're getting your numbers from, but they're absolutely wrong. "New Nightmare" had a massive budget for a Nightmare film at the time with 14 million and it brought in a measly 18 mil at the box office.

"Freddy's Dead" was the previous budget champ with 8 million. "New Nightmare"'s CGI effects and big setpieces ramped up the budget quite a bit.

T.M., Esq.

[The Dream Master]

I got that 8 million dollar from the Nightmare 7 stats (http://nightmareonelmstreetfilms.com/nightmare7stats.html) page, and that's not the only place I've seen that number thrown around. I'd say it sounds about right if you adjust it for inflation. By the way, that same page says the budget for FD was 5 million, which is also more in line with what I've heard in the past.

So by most accounts, I would have to say that WCNN was a modest success in the sense that it grossed over twice its budget, not to mention that it was poorly advertised and not very box office friendly in the first place. Obviously, it wasn't a runaway success, but how many high-numbered entries are in any horror franchise?

[Jus-X]

It may not be a bomb in the literal meaning but it has done no where near what WB thought it was going to so I do doubt we will get another one as both FvsJ and F13th reboot did a lot better and both sequels to those were cancelled.

I think it’s a case where they may of made a bit of profit but not really enough for it to be worth all the work what went into it

The F13th sequel was cancelled because the Dunes decided not to do any more horror movies (which I think is a load of shit, I guarantee they'll pop out more, hence talk of Nightmare 2) due to poor BO results. FVJ2 on the other hand started to get way too complicated in trying to get rights for characters they didn't have rights for, New Line just said "fuck it" and gave up too early. So I wouldn't put FVJ on this list, because it fell out of production for completely different reasons.

I know I'm gonna be royally pissed if a sequel to 'A Nightmare on Elm Street' gets greenlit before a sequel to 'Friday the 13th'.

Yeah F13 was way more enjoyable than Nightmare.

[The Dream Master]

The Friday sequel hasn't been put on hold because of the Dunes. They've said several times they want to do it, but WB and Paramount are the ones holding it up.

[Jus-X]

The Friday sequel hasn't been put on hold because of the Dunes. They've said several times they want to do it, but WB and Paramount are the ones holding it up.

I thought it was posted in the Friday Sequel thread that PD didn't want to do horror anymore? Was that bad info?

[The Dream Master]

PD said that, but you've got to wonder how much they mean it considering their next movie is going to be The Monster Squad.

I always took their "no more horror" quote to mean that they weren't going to try to do any more new (well, new remake :X) properties after Monster Squad. Stuff they'd already started on like F13 part 2 were likely exempt from that statement, especially considering how much they've said they want to do it.

[Jus-X]

Meh. Good point.

[The Tall Man]

I got that 8 million dollar from the Nightmare 7 stats (http://nightmareonelmstreetfilms.com/nightmare7stats.html) page, and that's not the only place I've seen that number thrown around. I'd say it sounds about right if you adjust it for inflation. By the way, that same page says the budget for FD was 5 million, which is also more in line with what I've heard in the past.

Talalay says (Estimates):
Nightmare 1- 1.8 million
Nightmare 2- 2.2 million
Nightmare 3- 4.5 million
Nightmare 4- 7 million
Nightmare 5- 8 million
Nightmare 6- 8.5 million

Wes Craven and S-10 say :
Nightmare 7- 14 million

I'm gonna run with these folks over your websites because they actually worked on the movies (well, not S-10).

So, a 4 mil profit for New Nightmare? That's not good.

T.M., Esq.

[The Dream Master]

Where did Craven say that? If he did, I'd be all for believing that, but since "8 million" shows up everywhere, I'm inclined to believe there's some sort of truth to it. Are you sure you're not thinking about Scream? It was made for $14,000,000, which I find a little bit easier to believe.

[Penhall]

Where did Craven say that? If he did, I'd be all for believing that, but since "8 million" shows up everywhere, I'm inclined to believe there's some sort of truth to it. Are you sure you're not thinking about Scream? It was made for $14,000,000, which I find a little bit easier to believe.

Eveywhere I've checked reports that the budget was 8 million, but I suppose it could be wrong. I really don't see New Nightmare costing 14 million in 1994 dollars. That seems pretty high to me...

[The Tall Man]

Where did Craven say that?
S-10 obviously has more sources, but I heard Craven say it when he appeared on Monstervision with Joe Bob Briggs when he aired "New Nightmare". And he smiled when he said that shit too.

Just because something shows up everywhere online, DM, doesn't mean its true. I mean, forever, people thought Godzilla won in the Japanese version of "King Kong vs. Godzilla". All you can do is just dispell it when it's wrong.

I really don't see New Nightmare costing 14 million in 1994 dollars. That seems pretty high to me...
It was because of all the CGI that the film had (and even more effects work) and they also had to shut down an entire freeway in Los Angeles for a couple of nights.

T.M., Esq.

[The Dream Master]

Just because something shows up everywhere online, DM, doesn't mean its true.

On the other hand, if you're gonna say that, the internet might as well not exist. I'm as skeptical as the next guy, but I'm not gonna sit there and dismiss everything "because it's on the internet." After all, box office grosses are everywhere on the internet, and no one disputes those, generally speaking. I'll just call it a wash and say that no one really knows. One guy says one thing, internet sites say another. But at the end of the day, only one thing is for sure: the Nightmare remake isn't very good, and its sequel's status will probably be up in the air before long. I think that's what we were talking about before this detour. ;)

[The Tall Man]

Wait a minute...

YEAH!

:doggy:

T.M., Esq.

[brooklynpsycho]

Worldwide Gross so far: $87,700,993 :D I hope they do a sequel, but if not, then at least Freddy vs. Jason wasn't the last Elm St/F13 film for me.

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[DouglasJ]

Worldwide Gross so far: $87,468,500 :D I hope they do a sequel, but if not, then at least Freddy vs. Jason wasn't the last Elm St/F13 film for me.


Y'know, when Freddy Vs. Jason came out I loved it. Now I can barely watch it... I always hoped for another film to come along and end the franchise on a high - would have loved a prequel.

But now... I think I've found a new appreciation for Freddy Vs. Jason, and I'm content to believe that it was the last Elm Street movie. Because at least it's not the remake...

[Harmonic Bond]

S-10 obviously has more sources, but I heard Craven say it when he appeared on Monstervision with Joe Bob Briggs when he aired "New Nightmare". And he smiled when he said that shit too.


I remember that episode of Monstervision, and I too remember Craven citing the budget in the 10-20 million range. I can remember him saying that they brought the budget up closer to the Hollywood standard (relative to the sequels).

[Voorheeszilla]

I hope they do a sequel as well, as I want to see more from this franchise. Watching the NOES films over lately have made me crave more.

[brooklynpsycho]

Worldwide Gross so far: $88,280,027, and will still make more money in other countries. Release dates coming soon for Romania (today), Poland, Singapore, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Iceland, Japan, Spain, and Italy. :D

__________________
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[The Tall Man]

Brooklyn... seriously, are you that guy from the imdb boards that just posts nothing but the film's box office take and acts like it's the most successful movie since "Avatar"?

Also, the take is still extremely unimpressive for what it is. I don't know what you're so happy about.

T.M., Esq.

[Rich]

I think it's pretty good money considering the economy and the fact that Iron Man 2 came out a week later.

[The Tall Man]

60 mil on a 35 mil budget isn't especially impressive.

27 mil elsewhere? That's especially unimpressive.

T.M., Esq.

[Hypnocil]

Y'know, when Freddy Vs. Jason came out I loved it. Now I can barely watch it... I always hoped for another film to come along and end the franchise on a high - would have loved a prequel.

But now... I think I've found a new appreciation for Freddy Vs. Jason, and I'm content to believe that it was the last Elm Street movie. Because at least it's not the remake...

It is amazing how much this new movie has made fans appreciate the somewhat less-loved sequels. I know I'm watching Yvonne bitch out Alice in a whole new light.

Hell, I'd even take a sequel starring Yvonne and Lori Campbell as the leads in favor of Rooney Mara's crappy mug "gracing the silver screen" once again, and I can't stand Yvonne or Lori.

60 mil on a 35 mil budget isn't especially impressive.

27 mil elsewhere? That's especially unimpressive.

I guess were not going to be seeing a Not-Freddy Pinball Game or Not-Freddy Pez Dispenser anytime soon, huh? The world weeps.

[Rich]

60 mil on a 35 mil budget isn't especially impressive.

27 mil elsewhere? That's especially unimpressive.

T.M., Esq.

I disagree.

points

- we are in an ecomonic repression where people are being more picky on what they spend their money on.

- Iron Man 2 came out 7 days later

- it was "R" rated so there goes the high school ticket sales

fact

- they doubled their money

my point

Taking all my points into consideration and the fact that they still doubled their money is pretty impressive.

[The Tall Man]

Disagree all you want, WB is unhappy with the performance. It didn't do what they thought it should. They consider it a disappointment by industry standard.

Are we really gonna play this game? People that know a little about budgets and box office are going to note that the 60 mil isn't a very good take, while people that like the movie are going to say the 60 mil makes it a success? Sheesh.

T.M., Esq.

[The Dark Vampire]

As I said it made a little profit but not enough to be worth all the trouble

It's like if you give me 100 today and I say I will give you 200 back tomorrow but you have to walk 500 miles to get it sure you made a profit but was it really worth all the trouble

[NW77]

Disagree all you want, WB is unhappy with the performance. It didn't do what they thought it should. They consider it a disappointment by industry standard.



Where did WB really said that? If they were disappointed, they wouldn't do a sequel & we know that is going to happend sooner or later. Beside, it already got many of it money back & chances are more will grow with the DVD/Blu-Ray release coming out soon. I don't think they were drinking champanges when they heard the news how much it made, but I doubt they were that unhappy either as you claimed. Like I said, they're getting many of their money back compare to the budget it's cost to make the film & some of the promotions, etc.

[The Dark Vampire]

TBH I think the sequel was planned before the remake hit the cinemas I wouldn't be shocked to see the idea scrapped now

[NW77]

I swear they already said they're working on the sequel a week after the movie opened or something like that. I'm sure a sequel will happend.

[The Dark Vampire]

I swear they already said they're working on the sequel a week after the movie opened or something like that. I'm sure a sequel will happend.

They said the same thing about F13th 2 and that has been cancelled now and that did better than this.

If it's anything like the 1st one I don't want another one

[NW77]

I think part of the reason F13th 2 isn't happending for now is because of Paramount & NLC co-working on it. When you have 2 major studios working on the same film, that can be hard to make a film take off with 2 studios having different opinions on making the film. ANOES remake on the other hands is only run by WB along with PD. They have better chance to make a sequel to ANOES before F13th part 2 does. If Paramount never got involved working with NLC & PD for the first F13th remake, who know if part 2 would be in the work by now or not. But I bet it wouldn't be call dead for now like PD say. I'm thinking PD is just saying they won't work on F13th part 2, but NLC will. But none of us know for sure but the studios.

[The Dark Vampire]

From what I've read Paramount is not involved with F13th 2 anyway they only had the legal rights to remake the 1st one PD/NLC could make F13th 2 on their own whenever they feel like it

[Rick]

Paramount is involved with Friday the 13th part 2. Why? Who knows, they mush have gotten that deal when they worked out the deal for the remake.
Fuller said he believes the sequel not getting the green light has to do with the two studios involved (Paramount and New Line/WB) not being able to agree on the increased budget it would take for a 3D sequel.

With WB/NL being the only studio involved with Elm St, it'll be easier to get a sequel off the ground for sure.
The movie made money, apparently it wasn't a huge success, but it didn't loose money either.
I think the only thing that will hold up a sequel to this is the fact that they want to go 3D as well and that will increase it's budget a good chunk.

[The Dream Master]

There's one thing to remember about this sequel: it hasn't even been announced. The Saturday after the remake was released, a story broke that NLC/WB were already in the process of discussing a sequel. There's absolutely no indication that there's even any work going on with it right now. Far from an official thing. Do I think it will happen? Yeah, but I wouldn't say its very early existence (which is really nothing but talk and rumors) is any indication that WB is extremely happy with the remake's performance.

[Rich]

Yes, AND how do we know it won't get canned like Friday the 13th Part 2 3D or postponed like Halloween 3D? It is starting to become regular for companies to announce a 3D sequel the day after initial release and then go back on their word. I wonder if they do that to help ticket sales by trying to peak interest in what is currently in theaters.

Friday the 13th Part 2: 3D and Halloween 3D even got as far as having scripts written and yet neither project has a green light yet, so I think it will be a while before we see Freddy in 3D.

[The Dream Master]

Halloween 3D is just fucked because of the studio situation and the fact that the guys they wanted to do it already had shit lined up. I think it'll get going soon because Drive Angry has wrapped up principal photography. I'd expect Halloween 3D news within the next couple of months.

[The Tall Man]

Where did WB really said that?
I have NO clue if that's out or been written about somewhere in public. I just know that's what an ex-WB employee who has contacts at WB told me. Down the grapevine, essentially.

T.M., Esq.

[Cody]

Brad Fuller's Twitter (http://twitter.com/bcfuller) update on this one:

As for Freddy, as far as I know, there isnt even talk of writing another script

[The Dark Vampire]

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[Jus-X]

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[Sutter Cane]

Not surprised if this doesn't happen. I'd much rather see that sequel to the Friday remake that probably won't happen.

[Jus-X]

I'm sill longing for a Freddy vs Jason 2... wishful thinking.

[Ron]

You're not alone Justyn:shy:

[Jason_Legend]

I wouldn't mind a Freddy vs. Jason 2, if it could be much darker than the original.

[The Tall Man]

Damn, this day just keeps getting better and better.

And by a "Freddy vs. Jason 2", I presume you all mean Robert vs. Kane/Ken? Otherwise fuck it.

T.M., Esq.

[God of Thunder]

"Englund or fuck off"

[Just Jeans]

I'd rather see Englund vs Mears.

[Jus-X]

I'd rather see Englund vs Mears.

Co-signed with the blood of Kirzinger!

[The Tall Man]

Long as it's Englund as Freddy I'm in. Prefer it be Kane he's up against, but not married to it. He still deserves it.

T.M., Esq.

[Just Jeans]

I liked Kane in the role, but I've got no strong desire to see him return, and frankly I prefer Mears single performance over all four of Kane's.

[The Tall Man]

As I've explained elsewhere, that's got nothing to do with it, sir. It's ALL about Kane keeping the project alive for 13 fuckin' years and then getting the shaft. That's why Kane deserves to fight Englund. If I had my way, I'd have White fighting Englund... but nope, Kane it should be.

T.M., Esq.

[Jus-X]

Long as it's Englund as Freddy I'm in. Prefer it be Kane he's up against, but not married to it. He still deserves it.

T.M., Esq.

Yes definitly. He deserves it. But in all honesty, not appearing in the last two installments I don't think Kane has a desire to come back.

[The Dream Master]

I don't know if Kane would actively seek the role, but something tells me he'd do it if he were approached.

He won't be, of course.

[Rick]

Way back when the remake was announced, way before PD and Paramount got involved, Kane told TV Guide that he'd heard about it and thought maybe he'd get the chance to wear the mask again.

[Rich]

I think Kane would definitely deserve it but I wouldn't cry over Robert vs. Meers either. Derek was an awesome Jason.

I think the Elm Street series is in a bad place right now because PD announced a 3D sequel and now they are saying they are done with horror. What Warner needs to do then is re-establish the Elm Street series with a stand alone Elm Street film with Robert and have it lead into FVJ2 or else just produce sequels to the remakes themselves, which I wouldn't mind either.

[The Dream Master]

The Elm Street series is bad off right now because the word of mouth on the remake was toxic and no one seems to give a shit about seeing any more. Much as I hate to say it, I don't even think an Englund sequel would really generate a shitload of interest anymore. Among horror crowds, yeah, but the general public? I dunno.

[Rick]

I think Kruger has been shelved.
Maybe in time they'll dust off the character and do another reboot, but I don't think we'll see another Elm Street for a long time.

Unfortunately I think that's the same thing that'll happen with Jason.

[WesReviews]

I think if you brought back the wisecracking Freddy (i.e. the REAL Freddy) but with a darker edge ala FvsJ, audiences would be on board. I think what put general audiences off from the remake is that even in the trailers Jackie Earl Haley never really seemed like a legit Freddy.

I can't comment on the actual portrayal, as I have stayed strong and refused to see the remake, even for free on Netflix. Just saying that's how it comes across in the trailer.

[The Tall Man]

Wes, when Not-Nightmare was about to come out I was frankly shocked by how many not even horror fans, just random people, were like "Where's the real guy? He's not dead is he?" (shocked in a good way that is)

Yes, I know most people would be calling Michael Myers Jason, but apparently motherfuckers know Freddy.

T.M., Esq.

[WestinHillsDays]

If they keep Harley in the role, they should make him say only monosyllabic words and laugh (e.g. creepy Englund saying "bye" to Tina as she dies in the original), and NOT give him any lines:

Freddy: "You really shouldn't fall asleep in class..."

Chris: "Who... are... you?"

:duh:

Of course, I'd be surprised if a sequel is planned at this point of the game.

[The Tall Man]

WB killed the sequel when Not-Nightmare tanked, Westin.

T.M., Esq.

[WestinHillsDays]

WB killed the sequel when Not-Nightmare tanked, Westin.

T.M., Esq.

Thus the reason I completely stopped liking PD flicks -- even the relatively good ones, such as TCM 03.

[Deathscythe]

Thus the reason I completely stopped liking PD flicks -- even the relatively good ones, such as TCM 03.

You don't like PD because they refuse to make a sequel to a movie that bombed?

[The Dream Master]

Yeah, that's kind of silly. Not to mention the fact that they actually gave TCM '03 a sequel...er, prequel.

[WestinHillsDays]

You don't like PD because they refuse to make a sequel to a movie that bombed?

No, I don't like PD because they made "A Nightmare on Elm Street" bomb.

[The Tall Man]

Gotta admit, that does take some talent. Somebody had to work at that. Of the formal series, even the worst performing (Nightmare 5) was still a success. Nightmare 7 tanked, but it did well on home video. Not-Nightmare can't even boast that.

T.M., Esq.

[The Dream Master]

I think if you brought back the wisecracking Freddy (i.e. the REAL Freddy) but with a darker edge ala FvsJ, audiences would be on board. I think what put general audiences off from the remake is that even in the trailers Jackie Earl Haley never really seemed like a legit Freddy.

I don't know, I'd be able to buy that an explanation if a ton of people didn't show up opening weekend. I would think if people weren't open to a new Freddy at all, they wouldn't have been there in the first place. Now, after they saw him? Yeah, they might have told people he wasn't worth a shit or whatever, but I think it's fair to say that the general public doesn't really hold that sort of fierce loyalty to where they'll say "Englund or bust." That's why I don't think it'd make much of a splash if all of a sudden he came back. I would love to be wrong though.

[Deathscythe]

Slightly off topic but how did PD's F13 do? Success, of failure? I ask this because it doesn't seem like we are getting a sequel any time soon.

[The Dream Master]

F13 was pretty successful in general, but its performance was slightly infamous for a huge second weekend drop-off (81%). But still, it "only" cost $19 million (still too much for a F13), and made like $65 million domestically, so it would be considered mostly successful. DVD sales were pretty poor though; that and the second weekend drop kind of make it easier to see why WB has cold feet.

[The Tall Man]

Death, Friday 13 got canceled along with Not-Nightmare 2 by WB at the same time. So Not-Nightmare's failure killed not only the remake series, but the next Friday movie as well.

T.M., Esq.

[Jus-X]

IMO they should just start doing crossover films rather than remakes or sequels. Personally I didn't think Friday or Halloween or Nightmare should have been remade. They gave us FVJ... so what if FVJ2 fell through? Why not a Michael Vs Jason or Freddy vs Pinhead.

FVJ did well simply because the general public may not be fans, buy they know the icons. I would think rather than giving us sequels to remakes if they lost their interests in crossovers, give us a standalone film. If they don't want the hassle of tying in a sequel to a previous film, just make it a standalone film that doesn't connect with any of the others, like Jason X... but lets just keep them simple rather than making it sci-fi Ish and in space.

Also, who the hell is "Harley."

[WestinHillsDays]

Quite frankly, I think Platinum Dunes didn't have much conscience of what a "A Nightmare on Elm Street" as a movie is and what they were dealing with when WB hired them to remake it.

PD was praised for its remake of "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre," but if you look at the TCM remake closely, it is not that great of a movie, save for the beautiful work of Daniel Pearl, of course.

Personally, I think TCM III (1990) was much superior to the 2003 remake, despite being released as a sequel.

TCM '03 is alright as a movie, I think, and its only merit, in my opinion, was putting the TCM franchise on the spotlight again. And we know that New Line Cinema had been trying to do this since the release of TCM III in 1990.

Because of the success that TCM '03 attained, PD remade a horror movie after the other -- and this was alright with me, until they thought that they could do to NOES what they did to their earlier movies, and that fans would be happy with the final product. Nope.

[The Dream Master]

I dunno, TCM '03 is one of the best of the past decade to me. I think PD is pretty much like any other collection of talent who makes films: they have their hits and their misses. I would consider TCM and F13 to be pretty good hits, TCM: TB to be decent enough, while everything else is pretty much a miss.

[Jus-X]

I wouldn't call NOES a piece of shit IMO. It did have its good moments.

But they just changed too much. They should have taken notes from what Halloween fans were saying about Ron Zombie's reboot. Zombie changed too much shit. He changed the actual character of the Shape.

So when they stepped into NOES, they set out to make a dream demon but ended up changing his back story, his look, his voice. Heck the only thing they got right was the sweater... barely.

[The Dream Master]

Dude, you're about the only person I've ever seen complain that they changed too much. The problem was that they didn't try hard enough and just copied and pasted shit from the other movies. They should have gone all out and changed the shit out of Freddy,so as to clearly separate him from the previous portrayal. What we got was a guy who came off as giving a performance in a Freddy costume--it's almost like it could never really be his role.

[WestinHillsDays]

What we got was a guy who came off as giving a performance in a Freddy costume--it's almost like it could never really be his role.

That AND the script AND the lines ("Who... are.. you?") AND the portrayal of Nancy.

[The Dream Master]

Yeah, Haley was pretty much given nothing to work with. The line about petting the dog is just about the only thing that comes to mind. Everything else was either shitty or copied from previous movies.

[Jus-X]

And the poor guy did his best to give a good performance but im not sure of it was the writing or direction or just some mistakes on his part, but they weren't so great.

He tried giving Freddy little character quarks like Kane did with Jason, and one or two thigs were okay, but with the rest I say "Freddy wouldn't do that."

[The Tall Man]

The finger twitching got on my nerves when he started doing it EVERY TIME HE POPPED UP.

T.M., Esq.

[God of Thunder]

Lamest Freddy death ever.

[Voorheeszilla]

Yeah, it really was. There actually aren't any other Freddy "deaths" I'm disappointed with aside from part six & the remake, and I'll even admit part six had a better death sequence.

[WestinHillsDays]

Hey, part 6 was pretty awesome. Freddy's daughter battling Freddy with all those weapons stolen by Tracy!

Lamest Freddy death ever.

It was too rushed, and it stole both the concept and the lines from FvsJ.

[Rich]

I dunno, TCM '03 is one of the best of the past decade to me. I think PD is pretty much like any other collection of talent who makes films: they have their hits and their misses. I would consider TCM and F13 to be pretty good hits, TCM: TB to be decent enough, while everything else is pretty much a miss.

I think Texas Chainsaw, Friday, Elm Street, and Amityville remakes are all very good horror movies. Chainsaw The Beginning was okay but not great.

I for one, was very pleased with the newest Nightmare. I think it was dark and smart and Jackie was a great Freddy. I think he captured the evil side of the character with perfection.

[Darth Sinister]

I'm not too much of a Chainsaw fan. I did see the first two, only once each. The original, two, that is. In terms of the remake of the first one, I give the 03 film it's due. It may not have that 70's vibe that Hooper had, but it did well on it's own. I only saw a bit of the Nightmare film and thought it was not worth it. Friday, well, I love it and own it. So, that should tell you something. Not the best of that series, but not the worst either.

[Voorheeszilla]

[QUOTE=WestinHillsDays;460619]Hey, part 6 was pretty awesome. Freddy's daughter battling Freddy with all those weapons stolen by Tracy!

Well, saying I agree with this would be beyond being an understatement. I think part six is the second weakest of the franchise, & while it has some enjoyable moments, as a whole it isn't anything special or truly memorable.

[The Tall Man]

Other than the fact Freddy's dead at the end? :doggy:

T.M., Esq.

[Rick]

Well, Freddy's been dead in all of them.

[The Tall Man]

Well, Freddy's been dead in all of them.
Newp. All of the previous movies give some indication that Freddy'll be back one way or another. FD is the only one that ends with Freddy actually dead and gone.

T.M., Esq.

[Rick]

Freddy's been dead since the parents burned him alive before the events of part 1.

[God of Thunder]

Well, you knew what I meant. :D

[The Tall Man]

Freddy's been dead since the parents burned him alive before the events of part 1.
I know that. I said that in 1991 when the name of the new film was revealed. :X

T.M., Esq.

[The Dream Master]

Words can't explain, but I'll sum this video up as follows: Fuller tries to impress a room full of high school students with his foolproof marketing strategy, which apparently includes "famous title + hot girl = $$$."

But the bigger issue? He claims that NOES has "closed a chapter for their company," because they're no longer doing horror movies. He tries to pass it off as if that was always the plan...despite the fact that they "announced" sequels to F13 and NOES.

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(Skip to 8:05)

So, in short, the NOES sequel is deader than shit in PD's eyes. Ball is completely in WB's court now, so I would say expect nothing for a long while.

[Callum Sanderson]

Do you think they'll just leave the titles in the dark to rot, because they don't believe they can milk anymore money from it? What could spark them or another company to pick it up again, and how would they market it if they feel the audience isn't interested anymore?

I would like to see a 13th movie in the Friday franchise, hopefully a really good one, though if it is carrying on from the 2009 movie, I hope to see new characters and completely new setting, not so far as taking Jason into space or a city, but not the usual teenagers having fun. I'd like to see something more along the lines of a gang of bikers who are having this crazy bet to be the one who finds Jason and brings his head back with them. Could be good for having this Rambo Jason surviving in the woods to hunt or be hunted.

[Rich]

If you watch the Friday the 13th Blu-Ray with PIP mode he even said they were making Friday the 13th Part 2 after Nightmare on Elm St.

[The Dream Master]

WB could make sequels to either one still. It's just PD that aren't going to be around, apparently. I have a feeling that's not a mutual decision, because it seems like the premature ejaculation/sequel announcements for each one came from the Dunies during opening weekend.

[Rich]

The same thing happened with Halloween 3D. They announced it the opening weekend of Halloween II.

[The Dream Master]

And the funny thing in retrospect is that the Weinsteins' Halloween 3D announcement made the least sense. Out of the three in question, Halloween 2 was the one that did pretty mediocre box office (while also being the most sensibly-budgeted--imagine that), so I figured that'd be the least likely to get a continuation.

But I would bet just about anything we'll see Halloween 3D before we ever see Friday 2 or NOES 2.

[The Dark Vampire]

I just hope if/when WB or whoever does another one they do another reboot that remake in no shape way or form deserves a sequel.

When it comes to the 1st one I always think of it as what Freddy said in the 1st episode of the series "Don't be afraid this is not one of your nightmares this one was mine" maybe when Freddy died and got sent to hell that movie is his punishment though no matter what he did it wasn't bad enough to deserve that.

[Rick]

Yeah, and Fuller tweeted a month ago (?) that he was meeting with WB and indicated they (PD) are still interested in doing their Friday the 13th sequel since they have a script in place.
I think we'll see sequels, the characters are widely known, but I think it'll be a while.
Everyone keeps saying WB/NL weren't happy with what PD delivered.
Lets just hope that PD didn't have a deal for multiple films in the franchises in their contracts.
If so that may hold sequels or new installments up for quite a while.
So might WB wanting to wait long enough until the general public forgets about what the Dunes made and decides to restart or what ever.
I understand a lot of people didn't like what these guys did, but I thought the Friday the 13th reboot was great (the killer cut at least).
Even if Nightmare on Elm Street gets mothballed for a while, I at least want to see a new Friday the 13th movie weather PD is involved or not.

[Rich]

With Halloween 3D I always took that as an apologiy to the fans for Zombieween II sucking. "Don't worry we are going to fix this."

[The Tall Man]

Words can't explain, but I'll sum this video up as follows: Fuller tries to impress a room full of high school students with his foolproof marketing strategy
God, I want to punch that bastard right in his smug fucking face.

When it comes to the 1st one I always think of it as what Freddy said in the 1st episode of the series "Don't be afraid this is not one of your nightmares this one was mine" maybe when Freddy died and got sent to hell that movie is his punishment though no matter what he did it wasn't bad enough to deserve that.
Ah-ha! I see somebody saw my recut version of Not-Nightmare as an episode of "Freddy's Nightmares".

T.M., Esq.

[Voorheeszilla]

With Halloween 3D I always took that as an apologiy to the fans for Zombieween II sucking. "Don't worry we are going to fix this."

Regarding H3D, it was never about an apology, they were trying to make money off of the 3D gimmick. The funny thing about H2 has always been the fact that so many people wanted it to be different than everything that came before, & it was, and then people started complaining about the exact thing they were begging for.

[The Dream Master]

Brian Collins's Terror Tuesday article (http://www.badassdigest.com/2011/06/07/terror-tuesday-platinum-dunes-is-not-making-horror-films-anymore) this week is about those videos I posted earlier. Really good write up.

[nottidelterrore]

With Halloween 3D I always took that as an apologiy to the fans for Zombieween II sucking. "Don't worry we are going to fix this."

Haha! I really hope at the beginning of the film instead of telling us what the white horse symbolizes because Ron Zombie thinks we're all morons that they just issue an apology in text form.

Hey, we're sorry for the past two aboritions. Hope we get it right this time.

Love,
Bob, Harvey, and Malek

[The Dream Master]

Followed by:

P.S. You're about to see Todd Farmer's wang in 3D. You're welcome.

[nottidelterrore]

:lol:

Hahahaaha!

P.P.S.S.

And Tom Atkins fucking a bunch of younger women.

[The Dream Master]

You're goddamn right he is.

P.P.P.S.S.S.

And he stole your Miller Light and used it to seduce them.

[The Tall Man]

At the very least, I smell an upcoming re-edit...

T.M., Esq.

[Mega Man]

Will this teach them to stop remaking stuff in general? This might be a good sign, but at the cost of two beloved franchises (where can they go now). Sure many new audiences have forgotten about Englund... but I think he has the potential to make them remember why everyone used to be afraid of Freddy. He had a nice balance of horror and comedy to his character in Freddy Vs. Jason... that is, not telling too many jokes.

I think Freddy Vs. Jason 2 would actually create some hype, but some might see it as just another way to recover from the remake failure. Hey, as long as it's good...

[nottidelterrore]

You're goddamn right he is.

Where do you want to sleep, Mr. Atkins?

[Mega Man]

The new Texas Chainsaw Massacre should be a good indication of if the interest is still there. The 2003 remake was what brought about the horror remakes nowadays, and if this new one does well, we might be able to see more classics revived. It's almost wishful thinking to get the original Friday/Nightmare series back on track.

One thing that I've noticed is that after New Nightmare, Freddy was no longer a kid-friendly icon anymore. Which is good, seeing as they're currently targeting the original age demographic.

[skuppy]

Regarding H3D, it was never about an apology, they were trying to make money off of the 3D gimmick. The funny thing about H2 has always been the fact that so many people wanted it to be different than everything that came before, & it was, and then people started complaining about the exact thing they were begging for.

I've noticed that with some fans over the years. You just can't please some of them! lol

[Chucky's back]

Will this teach them to stop remaking stuff in general? This might be a good sign, but at the cost of two beloved franchises (where can they go now). Sure many new audiences have forgotten about Englund... but I think he has the potential to make them remember why everyone used to be afraid of Freddy. He had a nice balance of horror and comedy to his character in Freddy Vs. Jason... that is, not telling too many jokes.

I think Freddy Vs. Jason 2 would actually create some hype, but some might see it as just another way to recover from the remake failure. Hey, as long as it's good...

I hope so. Continuations of original series would be great instead of all these damn remakes. But with Hollywood you can never know. Cause there are some people there who never learn from their mistakes.

[Rich]

With Friday the 13th, nothing will ever be what the first four movies were. With A Nightmare on Elm Street, Halloween, Child's Play, The Texas Chain Saw Massacre, Psycho, Childern of the Corn, and Candyman, nothing will ever be what the originals are. If you can come to terms with that they you will be okay. If you expect another Friday the 13th Part 2 or Texas Chainsaw movie with the quality of the original, you will be sadly disappointed.

[Darth Reaper]

With Friday the 13th, nothing will ever be what the first four movies were. With A Nightmare on Elm Street, Halloween, Child's Play, The Texas Chain Saw Massacre, Psycho, Childern of the Corn, and Candyman, nothing will ever be what the originals are. If you can come to terms with that they you will be okay. If you expect another Friday the 13th Part 2 or Texas Chainsaw movie with the quality of the original, you will be sadly disappointed.- Rich

I can't go along with this. Quality followups to these films can be made. You just have to get talented people to make them, people who appreciate the spirit of these films. It may never be the same, but it can still be good.

Of course, I don't know that all of the films listed there need sequels or remakes. PSYCHO works just fine as a stand-alone film.

[William Bludworth]

I hope to God they never make a sequel to this ever. The remake was such a worthless pathetic piece of shit of a film honestly one of the worst movies ever made. Dream Child and Freddys Dead were better than this, along with basically any cheap straight to video movie I have seen in the past 10 years

[The Dream Master]

There won't be a sequel anytime soon.

[William Bludworth]

Thank God! I'm not against remakes there is quite I few I like but honestly I hated this movie it was so damn boring it took me 3 days to watch the whole thing

[WestinHillsDays]

Whenever I see a reply to this thread, I assume that it is Cody announcing a sequel.

[William Bludworth]

Too bad they didn't just make a proper sequel ending the series or a cool ass prequel... Awww well... Maybe the next remake of this movie will be better lol...