Do you think you'll still be alive when a new movie takes the #1 title from Avatar? [Archive]

TheShowstoppa

03-14-2010, 06:42 AM

Yeah... thanks to not only the cost of movie theaters charging to get in and accounting for 3D, it's likely to happen soon.

The Dark Knight almost did it 11 years after Titanic. Avatar did it in 12. Avatar was, however, pushed by the price of 3D tickets - $12 + depending on where you live.

When Star Wars came out in 1979, no one thought it was possible to do what it did nor to exceed it. Now, it's easily thought of since movies break $100 million almost every 2 months. I remember when Spider-Man did that and it was a huge thing.

NOTHING and I mean NOTHING will compete with Gone with the Wind. Adjusted for inflation it is and forever will be the highest grossing movie of all time.

The Dark Vampire

03-14-2010, 09:21 AM

NOTHING and I mean NOTHING will compete with Gone with the Wind. Adjusted for inflation it is and forever will be the highest grossing movie of all time.

Also when that 1st came out going to the cinema was pretty much the the only thing to do TV wasn't out yet so most ppl went.

Now with everything out (home entainament) and other places to go plus illegal downloads and DVD's of the movie been available days if not hours after the movie premieres you won't get figures (if you count tickets sold not money made) like you used to get

Edit to add
I wonder if that is a reason that 3D movies are doing better as it must be hard to get that effect via illigal ways

Voorheeszilla

03-14-2010, 11:45 AM

Considering I'm 16, and have lived through both Titanic & Avatar making a shitload of money & breaking records, I'd say yes.

Bill 1981

03-15-2010, 05:05 AM

Honestly, with the way Tron 2 looks... maybe.

Co-signed, yo.

Joshg

03-15-2010, 07:01 AM

I was so happy to see that overrated piece of lackluster romance Titanic get overthrown for the title...only to be saddened once more that the one who overthrew it...is simply a sound and lights show with no depth at all. :P I better live to see the day Avatar drowns! Hehe

Rich

03-15-2010, 07:42 AM

It is very possible. Will that movie, however, be made by Cameron or another film maker? THAT is the true question here.

On a Pale Horse

03-15-2010, 11:37 PM

Yeah definitely. With inflation and more and more Imax coming out, we will probably see it within 10 years.

SlasherFreak

03-16-2010, 02:22 PM

If I didn't think The Dark Knight got a big boost in ticket sales because of Heath Ledger's death, I would say the next Batman sequel could do it.

Jus-X

03-16-2010, 04:36 PM

Unless I'm murdered... yeah I'll still be around.

Just Jeans

03-16-2010, 08:35 PM

I'd have to say no.

Jus-X

03-16-2010, 09:33 PM

I'd have to say no.

So why do you think Avatar ws so successful?

Did it have anything to do with the movie itself?

It's been outvoted at the Oscars by a movie I've never even heard of, and a movie that made 1.5 billion less.

Top "real" reason's why it was successful: (IMO)

1) It was made by the same guy who brought us Abyss, Titanic and the Terminator (all revolutionized the way we see movies so visual effects expected to be the best again)

2) Heavy heavy heavy heavy marketing. (IMAX, 3-D, craploads of trailors and TV spots)

3) Word of mouth based on people who went to see it for the above two reasons.

Now... put a bigshot blockbuster writer/director/producer in charge of an all-digital movie and market it to death and we will live to see Avatar's ass get kicked.

Every year someone comes out and breaks box office records. Though Avatar beat the last box office record by a landslide, I would expect the same thing to happen again. Not anytime soon, but it will happen.

The Tall Man

03-17-2010, 04:40 AM

Justyn, I think Jeans is more alluding to either suicide or just death caused by abject pain. :-/

T.M., Esq.

The Gunslinger

03-29-2010, 08:01 AM

It really depends on when The Avengers comes out, really. ;)

Voorheeszilla

03-29-2010, 08:16 AM

I doubt The Avengers will be the movie that gets the job done, tbh.

Jus-X

03-29-2010, 02:54 PM

I doubt The Avengers will be the movie that gets the job done, tbh.

Like I said, it depends on the name of the man infront of the title. James Cameron... the name alone says: blockbuster movie and phenomenal special effects.

Next you need to advertise up the wazoo, and include the sentance "From the man who brought you___________ and _________, this summer..."

Then put the newest gimmick into it (like this exact moment is 3d, before that it was widescreen panning shots going in and out of CG and real shots, before that bullet time, etc)

The fact is, that if you have the money to waste on one well known man to direct, produce, and write, ontop of online advertising and posters and trailers and TV spots, ontop of expensive scenes, you'll make your money back plus 150%. But no one wants to take that risk.

Voorheeszilla

03-29-2010, 03:38 PM

Bill 1981

03-29-2010, 04:30 PM

Sean [The Wildcard]

03-29-2010, 05:11 PM

Considering I'm 16, and have lived through both Titanic & Avatar making a shitload of money & breaking records, I'd say yes.

You were what, 3 or 4 around the time that Titanic came out? :shifty:

But anyway, I think that I might see it happen. I remember the whole thing with Titanic happening very well, and this whole AVATAR thing I could give a crap about. So, unless something absolutley terrible happens, then yes...I believe I will see something kick those Na'vi's asses. :p

Jus-X

03-29-2010, 06:18 PM

All I'm saying is that personally, I don't see a movie topping Avatar for a while. It may be the span it took Titanic to be topped, it may not. I could be wrong, but I don't believe any movie will top it soon.

James Cameron's resumé:
Aliens(1986) to 1989 for The Abyss... won 2 Oscars, three year gap to the next Oscar winning movie.

The Abyss. 1989-1997... 8 years gap, 1 Oscar

Titanic, 1997-2010... 13 years gap, 11 Oscars

Avatar, 2010 - ? won 3 Oscars.

Titanic was his first world wide Box Office success, but look at his resumé here... ontop of that T2 is in there using ground breaking special effects never before seen, before that The Abyss did the same. His next film might even do the same.

Now I'm 28 years old ( 29 in April :(... I'm old:()... but let's say it DOES take another 13 years for another worldwide Blockbuster, unless Christ returns we'll all still be here when number 1 in the world comes out again.

The Gunslinger

03-29-2010, 06:27 PM

I doubt The Avengers will be the movie that gets the job done, tbh.

I also really doubt that The Avengers will beat Avatar, but I would bet a lot of money that it would surpass the $500 million mark in the U.S.

I mean, this movie is bound to make a lot of money. I mean alot. No matter how shitty it might be.

Btw, my statement before it was a semijoke.

i am SAW

03-30-2010, 01:30 AM

let's say it DOES take another 13 years for another worldwide Blockbuster, unless Christ returns we'll all still be here when number 1 in the world comes out again.
do you know how long 13 years is? a baby born today will become a teenager exactly 13 years from now.

The Dark Vampire

03-30-2010, 01:36 AM

J
but let's say it DOES take another 13 years for another worldwide Blockbuster, unless Christ returns we'll all still be here when number 1 in the world comes out again.

Most of us but you can't say all hell I could go into town tomorrow and get hit by a bus at the moment there is 285,918 on this site so there is a chance at least 1 member won't live another 13 years

Jus-X

03-30-2010, 01:49 AM

I try and be a little more optimistic than that Darky.

Hockey Mask

05-06-2010, 05:36 PM

I am younger than James Cameron so I expect to be alive when his next one tops it.

Just Jeans

05-06-2010, 06:27 PM

So why do you think Avatar ws so successful?

Because it has broad appeal. I think that's the key to being successful. If you want to be the most commercially successful film ever made, you have to appeal to as many viewers as humanly possible. The sorts of films that take the top Oscar slot might be really good movies, but they're not going to appeal to a mass audience ranging from 8 to 80.

Cameron's films do so well because he knows how to speak to the culture.

The film that topples Avatar will not be an Oscar winning drama, but an adventure film that strikes the right balance of spectacle and heart.

Justyn, I think Jeans is more alluding to either suicide or just death caused by abject pain. :-/

As usual, Tally knows the score. That's why I love him. (Yes, in that way.)

Jus-X

05-06-2010, 08:00 PM

Because it has broad appeal. I think that's the key to being successful. If you want to be the most commercially successful film ever made, you have to appeal to as many viewers as humanly possible. The sorts of films that take the top Oscar slot might be really good movies, but they're not going to appeal to a mass audience ranging from 8 to 80.

Cameron's films do so well because he knows how to speak to the culture.

The film that topples Avatar will not be an Oscar winning drama, but an adventure film that strikes the right balance of spectacle and heart.

I asked you that question before I saw the movie. So I retcon the question and humbly agree with your opinion. Doesn't mean I still don't think there's a chance it'll be number two before I'm dead, there's a chance for anything. A slim chance though.

On a Pale Horse

05-09-2010, 03:56 PM

I originally said - yes, easily. But on second thought, I wonder if movie sales as a whole will decline over the next 10 years. With the rapidly increasing technology of home theater systems, movies coming out quicker to DVD and PPV, and more and more people downloading movies, I wonder if people will gravitate towards watching movies at home rather than pay $20-50+ for a night at the theater. Look at how MP3s killed CD sales. I suspect illegal movie downloads will have a similar affect on movie ticket sales.

Nukulur

06-12-2010, 11:37 PM

Pale Horse:

Then don't you figure we'll be going by which movie has the #1 home sale, then?

We no longer have arcades, but now we have home games. Later, we won't have theaters, but we'll have home movies.

Logical.

The Tall Man

06-13-2010, 01:15 AM

I can't see theaters going away. I don't care how high tech your TV is, it's no match for a wall-sized theater screen with 12 speakers pumping away at you.

T.M., Esq.

Just Jeans

06-13-2010, 02:16 AM

The six foot tall speakers on my friend's sound system kick the living shit out of any theater I've ever been in.

The Dream Master

06-13-2010, 05:06 AM

Yeah, I think the sound system I have now is better than theaters. :X Lossless audio coming out of some pretty nice speakers is pretty hard to beat. But video quality? Can't beat 35mm projection, plus there's the 3D aspect these days. Theaters are going nowhere. The movie industry still relies on it way, way too much.

SlasherFreak

06-13-2010, 03:10 PM

Theaters aren't going away because not only are you going for a film, you're going for an experience too.

Monkey

07-07-2010, 11:37 AM

NOTHING and I mean NOTHING will compete with Gone with the Wind. Adjusted for inflation it is and forever will be the highest grossing movie of all time.
A movie will eclipse Avatar in less than 15 years easy.

Movie prices have practically doubled in the last 15 years, and the premium price for 3D glasses boosted Avatar's gross.

Will I be alive if/when a new movie takes over Gone With the Wind's domestic gross adjusted for inflation... the true #1?
Hell no.
ADDED:
Theaters aren't going away because not only are you going for a film, you're going for an experience too.
Unfortunately, that's why I stay away from the theater. Last flick I saw was Avatar (3D).

Unless we're soon allowed to pepper spray people who use cell phones, talk, or bring crying babies to the theater, I think I'll stay away for good.