Friday the 13th anything that confuses you

[Utellme]

Anything that confuses you about any of the movies with all the fans here im sure they can help you.

[Autobotsdie]

So does Jason really have teleporting ability or is he really that fast?

[Utellme]

Hmmm im guessing hes that fast. Heres 1 that confuses me if Jasons objective is to kill why in part 7 when Tina passes out why does Jason not kill her right there ?

[The Tall Man]

Jason doesn't teleport. Those are godawful editing mistakes. (seriously)

Jason probably would have killed Tina had he surfaced at the pier. But he seems to surface somewhere else along the lake shore.

T.M.

[JVY2K]

Hmmm im guessing hes that fast. Heres 1 that confuses me if Jasons objective is to kill why in part 7 when Tina passes out why does Jason not kill her right there ?

I used to wonder the same thing way back when I was first watching the movies, but I later came to a conclusion that easily explains it. Jason simply doesn't bother to check if his victims are dead or just unconscious...And there's lots o9f evidence from the films to prove this.

Part 2: When he wrestles in the cabin and knocks him out, he doesn't check to make sure he's dead, he continues on after Ginny. Assuming he's got the job done on Paul.

Part 3: Jason leaves Ali for dead assuming he's killed him only for Ali to come back later.

Part 6: When Jason and Tommy has their fight underwater and Jason chokes him out, he finishes and lets go when Tommy passes out. Obviously Jason’s' intent was to kill and he assumed the job was done.

To me I've always viewed this as Jason, as cunning as he is, assumes that if someone's down and not moving, their dead. So why bother? Tina was out cold on the dock, why waste time going over to her and checking if she really was dead? He moved on, as he has each time before (except for 6, cause he was trapped)...Bottom line, unless his target is moving or on the run, he doesn't waste his time...

[Rich]

So does Jason really have teleporting ability or is he really that fast?

In his zombie state he is definitely not fast, with the exception of that one scene in Freddy vs. Jason when he is putting Freddy through the windows.

Jason doesn't teleport. Those are godawful editing mistakes

Well, I tend to think that way too, however, Rob Heddon has said that he wanted to portray Jason as more of a supernatural being and not just a walking zombie. Maybe he was able to transfer his soul and simple "appear" in more then one place at a time. That would explain why he was walking outside of Rennie's window, while both Rennie and her dog saw the kid Jason ghost appearence.

Hmmm im guessing hes that fast. Heres 1 that confuses me if Jasons objective is to kill why in part 7 when Tina passes out why does Jason not kill her right there?

She falls to the ground. Jason leaves her for dead. Maybe the T-Rex trick works on Jason. Remember in Jurassic Park, of you don't move, the T-Rex can't see you. Well, with Jason if you play dead, he will think you are. That is my annalogy/theory.

[JVY2K]

As far as the teleporting goes, I'm with TM here. Editing all the way. I just over look that aspect of JTM as I really enjoy the film. And besides, time passes differently in the film world and when he appears on the other4 side of the boat or up the ladder, who's to say a few minutes didn't pass between that time rather then the few seconds we see it happen? Movies are only in general, an hour and a half to two hours long and yet some movies span weeks and years in that small time slot. So it could easily be assume that the length of time in those scenes is longer then what we see on screen...

Also, if he COULD teleport, one would assume he would have deleported to NY or onto their getaway boat rather then swim. If he could teleport, there's allot more he would use it for then mind games.

Just my thoughts...

[Dead Cell]

Remember that scene in Friday 4 when Tommy's sister (forgot her name) jumps out the 2nd floor window; Jason stares down at her limp body to make sure she's dead.

The exception that proves the rule, I guess.

I listened to Rob Hedon's commentary and he said that the supernatural elements in JTM were requested by Paramount, who felt that Freddy had become a bit of an iconic threat. So naturally, give the brute force stalker some new tricks and there you go. I forget, but I think he had a good laugh over the ridiculousness of the teleporting scene. Great commentary btw. Definitely worth checking out.

[JVY2K]

Remember that scene in Friday 4 when Tommy's sister (forgot her name) jumps out the 2nd floor window; Jason stares down at her limp body to make sure she's dead.

The exception that proves the rule, I guess.

I knew I was forgetting a scene. He stares down for a moment, no movement, so he moves on. If you look at Part 3 when Chris falls from the window, Jason looks down a moment, sees that she's gotten up and started running so he follows suit. Had she been knocked out, he would have most likely moved on. In 4, he'd already tossed a victim out a window so it's safe to say when he saw Trish lyin' down there with no movement, he assumed she was dead and carried on.

[The Dream Master]

I have one:

Why the hell does Roy just stand there like a jackass when Reggie's about to ram him in that thing he's driving? Pam has enough time to roll over, stand up, and get out of the way, but Roy just stands there? :lol:

The only explanation I have is that the film-makers were really trying to get us to believe that Roy was Jason, so they had to come up with some way to make Roy look somewhat indestructible, even if it ended up looking ridiculous.

[Dead Cell]

If you look at Part 3 when Chris falls from the window, Jason looks down a moment, sees that she's gotten up and started running so he follows suit.

Uh.... now I'm going to have to plug in that exact scene from part 4, because I swear he kept watching Trish until she started moving again. I'm not doubting he did the same in part 3, I'm just sure he did it in part 4 too.

[JVY2K]

Uh.... now I'm going to have to plug in that exact scene from part 4, because I swear he kept watching Trish until she started moving again. I'm not doubting he did the same in part 3, I'm just sure he did it in part 4 too.

Shit, you're right. It's been over a year since I've watched 4 but you are right. He does stand there until he sees her tingle and then he leaves to go after her. If I'm not mistaken, the amcera cuts back and forth from her motionless to Jason watching then back to her as she moves and then back to Jason as we see him leave the window.

Thanks dude, I like to keep my Jason facts straight ;)...

It does go to show though that if she hadn't moved, he wouldn't have pursued her. Thus aiding to the theory that if they aren't moving, he carries on.

[The Tall Man]

This is what I don't understand... what takes Jason so damned long?! By the time Trish is on her feet, Jason should have killed her and been on to Tommy-- considering how fast he was moving during the chase moments ago.

T.M.

[DavidDunn]

What's up with the metal spike deal in TNB? For one, where did Jason even get them? His first victim in that film was Michael's girlfriend, and he got her with the spike, and then used the same one to throw into Michael and kill him. Then a clean spike was found in the side of the porch by Tina, yet the bloody used spike was still in the forest and was later found by Dr. Crews. What the hell is going on here?

And another inquiry would be the Part 3/4 continuity. We pretty much know that the Jason at the window/Mrs. Voorhees pulling Chris in thing was a delusion and that Chris was pretty much insane at the end, but they took her off the next morning and Jason's body was still lying in the barn. Yet in TFC, the police and ambulance showed up at night to get the bodies, and Chris was nowhere to be found.

[Wheatjedi]

There were two spikes in Part VII. One used by Jason to kill Jane and Michael (which I can only assume Jason found in the woods), and the other was used by Dr. Crews to mess with Tina's mind. The fact that they looked exactly the same just has to be chalked up to coincidence.

As for the Part 3/4 thing.... I assume the police arrived at Higgin's Haven in the morning/afternoon to get Chris and the CSI team arrived a little later to process the crime scene. Since there were so many dead bodies at the location, I think it's reasonable to assume that they would still be there into the evening/night collecting evidence, taking photos, etc...

[DavidDunn]

Well, that makes more sense. The spike thing always bothered me and the 3/4continuity always got to me too, but I guess I never really sat down and considered those scenarios.

[Franchise]

I've always assumed that Jason and Michael Myers got their knives and masks at some store that supplied serial killers. At least that's my belief.

[DavidDunn]

I've always assumed that Jason and Michael Myers got their knives and masks at some store that supplied serial killers. At least that's my belief.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m152/Kyle_XY/800px-Walmart_exterior.jpg
Way to go. The secret's out now. :lol:

[Franchise]

Now to find someone who's good at editing pictures and can put Michael and Jason pushing carts outside of Kill-Mart. Now that would be tits.

[The Tall Man]

Gimme the pics and I will make them. I did the early Shaye pics.

T.M.

[Dead Cell]

Thanks dude, I like to keep my Jason facts straight ...

Ah, cool. I was sure it was in there. Great scene too, isn't it? I love how he silently leaves the window. It's a quiet moment, but you know Trish is in all kinds of trouble.

[Franchise]

Gimme the pics and I will make them. I did the early Shaye pics.

T.M.

Hmm? Looks like I'll be checking out a few places for pictures.

[JVY2K]

Ah, cool. I was sure it was in there. Great scene too, isn't it? I love how he silently leaves the window. It's a quiet moment, but you know Trish is in all kinds of trouble.

It's a great scene! I'd love to see some kind of prequel made (without ignoring current sequels or remaking anything) with human Jason in it. I always liked the idea of his Part 2 look with the long hair and a hockey mask on. I think that would look badass!

Going back to 4, it truly has great camera work. The way the scenes are filmed and put together, you're right there the whole time. One of the best filmed movies of the series in my opinion. Especially the chase sequence between Jason and Trish between houses. Amazing stuff!

[Utellme]

Unless im missing something here now you got me confused Chris was taken away the next morning in the cop car and ambulance and other people showed up afterwards

[Darth Sinister]

Here's how 3 and 4 work.

-At the end of part three, Chris got in the canoe and went out to the pond or whatever the hell that's supposed to be.

-In the morning or afternoon, the police decide to do a house to house search looking for Jason. They find the van blocking the bridge and after getting around it on foot, they find the mess.

-The police search the area for all the bodies and find Jason. Chris, meanwhile, is found and brought inside the house. She's in shock from the whole ordeal. She probably came back into the house and was probably sitting in the living room, visibly shaken.

-Chris is taken out of the car and taken to the hospital. The van, by this point, has been towed away.

-Later in the day, it rains and continues into the evening, finally tapering off.

-The last of the ambulences have arrived to carry off the bodies. The police and forensics teams of the day, finish going over the entire area. Chief Fitzsimmons has finally declared that the crime scene is closed and all the bodies are to be removed. Between the fact that it had rained and the lateness of the hour, I'd say it's no later than 9:30 or 10:00 PM.

[Utellme]

Exactly well put

[Speck]

I've been hearing some conflicting information. Some people say Walt Gorney (Crazy Ralph) was the narrarator in the beginning of part VII, and some people say it isn't him. There's nothing in Crystal Lake Memories about it. So my question is, did Walt really do it?

[Wheatjedi]

While I don't believe it's ever mentioned in CLM, David Grove's Making Friday the 13th says (on page 156) that it was Gorney who did the prologue narration in Part VII.

[The Tall Man]

IMDB also credits Gorney as the narrator.

T.M.

[Autobotsdie]

I've always kinda wondered how Jason kept on getting the weapons he uses so fast in some of the movies. Some of them are right there plain as day but others did he have to search for a weapon first before killing someone? Like in part 7 when he kill the Dr with that gas powered weed eater where did he find that?

[CampNewBlood]

I've always kinda wondered how Jason kept on getting the weapons he uses so fast in some of the movies. Some of them are right there plain as day but others did he have to search for a weapon first before killing someone? Like in part 7 when he kill the Dr with that gas powered weed eater where did he find that?

lol.....yea I have wondered the same thing.

[The Tall Man]

Scenes were cut out of Friday 7 showing Jason going to and from the shed he kills Maddy in. That shed is where he gets his weapons in 7... including the tree limb-trimmer.

Stills do still exist of said scenes. You've probably seen them.

T.M.

[Autobotsdie]

Another thing why in some scenes Jason will walk fast but in others he walks slow when chasing people? I know this may sound dumb but why does he do it?

[James M]

Another thing why in some scenes Jason will walk fast but in others he walks slow when chasing people? I know this may sound dumb but why does he do it?

In Parts 2-4, he's still a human (though a very unique and strong one) and therefore runs. In 6 and on, he's an undead being who isn't really up to running.

[The Tall Man]

James M, but in Jason Lives Jason is FAR more energetic than any that would follow, constantly charging ahead towards his prey. I wished Kane had adopted that style in 7 rather than lethargically trudging ahead.

T.M.

[James M]

That's true, he kind of speed walks at times in Jaaon Lives.

[DavidDunn]

Scenes were cut out of Friday 7 showing Jason going to and from the shed he kills Maddy in. That shed is where he gets his weapons in 7... including the tree limb-trimmer.

Stills do still exist of said scenes. You've probably seen them.

T.M.

Like this?
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m152/Kyle_XY/f13-7-2.jpg

[Wheatjedi]

Yeah! I have a Fango with that pic in it. Issue #75 I think. Doesn't the caption read something like, "Happy Birthday, dear Jason..."?

[Rich]

That's true, he kind of speed walks at times in Jaaon Lives.

I think in Jason Lives, the speed of his walking goes by what he is thinking or what mood he is in.

The scene where the paintballer shoots him and he looks down, probably thinking he really got shot, he speed walks to get the guy.

When he sees the new sign that reads "Camp Forest Green" instead of "Camp Crystal Lake" it confuses him, and he walks slower.

[Darth Sinister]

A lot of it has to do with the actors. Tom LaMorga who did both Jason and Roy as Jason, chose to walk slowly during the chase scenes. CJ Graham and the guy who he replaced, both walked to varying degrees. Kane Hodder just chose to walk slowly like LaMorga. Ken Kirinzer (sp) also chose to walk slowly, save for when he has Freddy in a death grip and slams his head through the windows and in the dream fight, when he comes up the stairs before the fight ends. There's no real in-continuity explaination.


Scenes were cut out of Friday 7 showing Jason going to and from the shed he kills Maddy in. That shed is where he gets his weapons in 7... including the tree limb-trimmer.

In fact, that's pretty much where Jason got the majority of his weapons. Same with Roy and Pamela. In the first film, in Victor Miller's draft, there was a scene written which highlights the shed where a lot of the weapons used in the film were stored. We would see some of them were missing when Marcie and Jack pick up the flashlight that's used later on. This never made it into the final film. Though we don't see it, I'm sure there was one in the second film. The ice pick came from Alice's kitchen. The knife that he used to kill Vickie came from the kitchen. We see where the mattock and the hammer come from. In the third and fifth films, there's the barn which would have plenty of weapons. Though with Roy, I think the weapons he had were either purchased by him before he used them or he swiped whatever Ethel had. Also in the third film, Jason picked up what he could off of others. In the fourth film, I'm betting that once he got to the Jarvis home, he looked around and found stuff like the speargun and decided to use it. Might've been in either house. The sixth film, we see where Jason gets the majority of his weapons from. This carries on through the end

[The Tall Man]

David, there ya go.

Darth... Tom LaMorga? I've only ever seen him credited as "Tom Morga".

T.M.

[Rich]

I don't know about "LaMorga," but according to IMDB he played Leatherface a little bit in Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2. Is there any truth to that? It also said he was involved with Army of Darkness and Child's Play 3 doing stunts. If this is true, then damn, this guy is an underappreciated horror guy that does not get his just due.

[Darth Sinister]

It's been a while since I talked about any of the films, so obviously I'm going to be a bit rusty on some names. :p

[The 5th Golden Girl]

Jason's speed:

In Part Two, he's the most human we'll see him. In Part Three, though, he has a shoulder injury so he's moving a little slower and more carefully than in Part Two. By part 4 he still has his shoulder injury and a serious head injury and only moves fast when he needs to (like when he chases Trish).

Jason walks faster when he's a zombie in Part 6 because he's still going off that jolt of electricity. In parts 7 and 8, he has a lot of water in his body from being under water for so long, and it slows him down. By part 9 he's dried out enough to move a little faster, but by "Freddy vs. Jason," time and injury has caught up with him. In earlier films Jason kept going and going before being stopped by something, but in "Freddy vs. Jason," he's so worn out by the time he and Freddy are done fighting, he says "fuck this" and sinks down into the lake.

And by "Jason X," he's rejuvenated by his 1000 years of being frozen.

[Speck]

Another thing that confuses me is the house exploding at the end of part 7. Are we led to believe that that gas can caused an explosion like that? If not, what caused it? That was one hella blast. I think that was just a little over the top if you ask me.

[Utellme]

Maybe the house was gas heat etc ?

[Rich]

Are we led to believe that that gas can caused an explosion like that?

In movie land we are lead to believe that yes. That is why we call it fiction. :)

[Lammert]

Well if Tina can have those powers, and Jason can be undead then a house can explode like that.

[Darth Sinister]

Maybe the house was gas heat etc ?

I'm going to go with that. There's nothing to disprove that.

[Utellme]

There may be quite a few of them but list some moments in Friday the 13th that make you think what the heck does that have to do with anything.Heres mine in Jason X the guy says hey guys he just wanted his machete back

[Ron]

part 3 where jason smiles..i just never got it.

[girlychaos]

Gordon jumping out the window...never got it!

[Killa Pimp]

Part 7:

Jason: in the lake for years:
Decomposing Zombie.

Tina's dad: in the lake for years:
His clothes didn't even show any wear and tear.
He looked like he rubbed some mud on his face and just took a swim five minutes before the end of the movie???? WTF!!!

[DavidDunn]

Part 7:

Jason: in the lake for years:
Decomposing Zombie.

Tina's dad: in the lake for years:
His clothes didn't even show any wear and tear.
He looked like he rubbed some mud on his face and just took a swim five minutes before the end of the movie???? WTF!!!

Well, actually John Carl Buechler originally intended for the actor playing Mr. Shepherd to be decomposed also. There's a page in Crystal Lake Memories that talks about it, and it has a still of the zombie form of Tina's dad. What happened here was all the fault of bitch associate producer Barbara Sachs, who ruined quite a few things on the set and had an attitude that was sort of similar to that of Melissa's. JCB's original design for Tina's father was eventually vetoed by Sachs, who thought of it to be too monstous and too fantasy oriented. Buechler said that the original design was "very profound", but her interference was the sole cause of this mistake in the film. Quoth JCB, "It would have made a heck of a lot more sense than what we ended up with, which was just the actor wearing straight makeup."

In the end, this "what the heck moment" proves out to be a behind the scenes fault of an associate producer that lacked not only vision, but common sense.

[Snowboy]

WHY THE HELL DID MADDY GO OUTSIDE TO LOOK FOR THAT DUDE?!

Haha. One question thats been annoying me and everyone for years...

Oh and another question. If Jason is scared of water why did he kill a few people under water? That chick in the raft from part four, that naked girl in part 7... And he tried to kill Tommy Jarvis under water in the 6th film.

Yet in Freddy vs. Jason he was scared of water.

[Wheatjedi]

That thing about Jason being afraid of water was invented for Freddy vs. Jason. Just try to forget it was ever mentioned. :)

[girlychaos]

That thing about Jason being afraid of water was invented for Freddy vs. Jason. Just try to forget it was ever mentioned. :)

That's one thing I didn't like about the movie...I don't think they had to come up with that.

[Mr. Undertaker]

Where the hell is Paul???????? (I mean, I know what happened to him[muffin ate him], but seriously!)
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And another thing.... since when Crystal lake is close to Elm St. ?

[JVY2K]

WHY THE HELL DID MADDY GO OUTSIDE TO LOOK FOR THAT DUDE?!

Haha. One question thats been annoying me and everyone for years...

Oh and another question. If Jason is scared of water why did he kill a few people under water? That chick in the raft from part four, that naked girl in part 7... And he tried to kill Tommy Jarvis under water in the 6th film.

Yet in Freddy vs. Jason he was scared of water.

He's not afraid of water. That was Freddy fucking with his mind. Later in FvsJ he has no issues with being near the water. In my view, Freddy tapped into his mind and pulled out young Jason would WOULD have been afraid. Doing it just at the right moment while he was in mid machete swing.

[Mr. Undertaker]

freddy can be FAST too...lol

[SmiTheReeNs*]

freddy can be FAST too...lol

Haha yea that confuses me too..when did Freddy learn to jump real high and deliver Greg Valentine elbow drops?:side:

[Lammert]

To me, FvsJ never happenend... Ignoring it works better then talking about it.

[Rich]

part 3 where jason smiles..i just never got it

Jason smiles twice in that movie. The first time he does is when he is still hanging and lifts up his mask to show Chris who he is. That was basically Jason's way of saying, "Guess whooooooooooo? Now you're mine bitch!" The second time he smile is during Chris' hallucination, which means it didn't really happen.

Gordon jumping out the window...never got it

He saw or smelled or somehow sensed Jason's presense and got scared. Dogs are known to be able to pick up on certain sensations that humans can not.

His clothes didn't even show any wear and tear.
He looked like he rubbed some mud on his face and just took a swim five minutes before the end of the movie???? WTF!!!

Here's how I interpret that scene: John was not really at the bottom of that lake for all those years. Like Jason at the end of the original and Mrs. Voorhees at the end of Party 3, I see that as John's ghost. Tina was truely sorry for what she did to him, so in order to show her forgiveness he saved her from Jason.

WHY THE HELL DID MADDY GO OUTSIDE TO LOOK FOR THAT DUDE

She did not seem too bright. Maybe, at some point, off screen, David told her that he'd be outside having a joint while getting some fresh air or having a beer while getting some fresh air or something like that.

That's one thing I didn't like about the movie...I don't think they had to come up with that.

The movie needed some kind of angle. They know that Jason would really tear Freddy into pieces, so to make it fair to Freddy they gave Jason a weakness. I think it would have made much more sense to make Jason's weakness the memory of his mother being murdered though.

Where the hell is Paul

I believe he is dead. I think Jason killed him.

1. Jason jumped through the window at the end of Part 2.
2. He attacked Ginny.
3. Paul tried to fight him off again, but at that moment, Jason strangled him to death
4. Jason goes back to the shack to lay down and lick his wounds a little bit (not the machete is still in him at that point)
5. Then, while lying on the ground in the shack he finally pulls the machete out of him and gets up
6. Part 3 begins (see, everything happened, it all counts, you just got to put it all in sequence)

since when Crystal lake is close to Elm St

Movie time is not reality time. If you were to sit back and really watch Jason walk from Crystal Lake to Elm Street, we'd still be in the theater. ;)

[Lammert]

Nobody every said that the end at Part 2 was a dream... so I believe it wasn't.

[Rich]

Many people say it was a dream. That is why I choose to put everything into a sequence that shows how and why I do not believe it was, despite being written as such.

Even if something is written to be one thing, if it does not come across on screen that way then it isn't in my book. I'm one of those people who only take what is actually on screen as canon. Everything else is speculation.

[Darth Sinister]

Where the hell is Paul???????? (I mean, I know what happened to him[muffin ate him], but seriously!)
ADDED:
And another thing.... since when Crystal lake is close to Elm St. ?

1. Look back and you'll see what was discussed about Paul Hoyt.

2. Who says that the two are close to each other? It's very possible that Jason spent a week walking from New Jersey to Ohio, while at the end, there was a van ride back east.

Haha yea that confuses me too..when did Freddy learn to jump real high and deliver Greg Valentine elbow drops?

Freddy's been in the dream world where he's kicked and punched with both Alice and Rick Johnson and gave a good fight to Tracy. So he knows how to fight with some martial arts. Elbow drops would come from watching wrestling before his death.

He's not afraid of water. That was Freddy fucking with his mind. Later in FvsJ he has no issues with being near the water. In my view, Freddy tapped into his mind and pulled out young Jason would WOULD have been afraid. Doing it just at the right moment while he was in mid machete swing.

Nah, Freddy didn't even know this until Jason froze when he went at him with the machete. It's as said, Jason had repressed this fear deep down and it only came out while he was alseep. Freddy didn't figure it out until he caused more water to stream out.


Nobody every said that the end at Part 2 was a dream... so I believe it wasn't

At the time the film was made, it wasn't. But when Amy Steel said no to coming back, Steve Miner needed a justification for Jason's new appearence. So he went back and added the new footage of Jason removing the machete while in the shack. You see the hood laying next to him. This then effectively renders Jason coming through the window as a dream, since the machete is no longer in his shoulder and he's bald as can be, with a face that looks somewhat like Tom Savini's design.

[Dead Cell]

Movie time is not reality time. If you were to sit back and really watch Jason walk from Crystal Lake to Elm Street, we'd still be in the theater.

True, true, but they only had so many tranquilizers and it looked like they were going through them pretty fast. Not to mention they made it from Springwood to Crystal Lake in the space of one night. Less than a night.

In the movie's defense, dreams are awkward things. Sometimes short events in a dream can last all night. Although that's never seemed to be the way Freddy works- his nightmares seem to happen in vivid, real-time. But if that were really the case, then the van drive would have only been 5 or 10 minutes. Not counting the time it took them to load up Jason's body in the van.

The only plausible explanation: Crystal Lake really is a LOOOOOOOOONG ways away from Springwood. Will was just driving like a bat outta' hell. And that's why none of the curfew cops were able to catch them! :p

[Wheatjedi]

Will was just driving like a bat outta' hell. And that's why none of the curfew cops were able to catch them! :p

And he was grinning that weird grin the whole time..... :D

[The Tall Man]

Dead Cell, 1.) you can drive from Ohio to Jersey in a night. 2.) The driving sequence was chopped up so as to cause confusion amongst fans.

Does anyone remember hearing that Yu turned in a print of FvsJ that was 2 1/2 hours long?

T.M.

[Autobotsdie]

Why is it women can take down Jason and keep him down but the guys have a hard time?

[Rich]

Why is it women can take down Jason and keep him down but the guys have a hard time?

Men have survived as well. Tommy Jarvis survived Jason twice and Roy. Nick, Sean, Steven, Tseneron, and Will all survived Jason.

[The Dream Master]

Does anyone remember hearing that Yu turned in a print of FvsJ that was 2 1/2 hours long?

T.M.

I'm not sure as to the length, but I do remember hearing that the film was cut down significantly. I'm not sure what exactly would have been cut out given what we know about the film, though.

Then again, I might be thinking about the fact that the original shooting script was also trimmed by some rewrites, but I'm not exactly sure about that either.

[Darth Sinister]

The number of tranquilizer vials seen when Freddy/Freeburg loads up the two syringes is such that it'd be enough to make a lengthy trip. I don't know how long that stuff would last, but I'd guess every two to three hours.

A bit of Wikipedia research indicates that the average person will dream about two hours a night, which taken throughout a normal lifespan is about six years. The Nightmare films fudge on this a little, since the first film features only one scene where there's time passage between when Nancy falls asleep to when she has a nightmare of being attacked, as shown when she goes to the sleep clinic. Otherwise, everyone in the entire franchise have nightmares as soon as they're asleep. The point in time by which the dream occurs, is basically as soon as you reach the REM stage. This is usually 90 minutes unless you suffer from Narcolepsy. Then it's 15-25 minutes.

[Autobotsdie]

Men have survived as well. Tommy Jarvis survived Jason twice and Roy. Nick, Sean, Steven, Tseneron, and Will all survived Jason.

Yeah but notice the women usually took him down and had the last laugh on him.

[Utellme]

Men have survived as well. Tommy Jarvis survived Jason twice and Roy. Nick, Sean, Steven, Tseneron, and Will all survived Jason.
Paul part 2

[Lammert]

Paul died... thats what Steve Miner said.

[Utellme]

Couldn't have filming error.Theres no one to kill him at the end of part 2

[Lammert]

It wasn't an error, it was intented... I never believed Paul survived.

[SmiTheReeNs*]

[QUOTE=Darth Sinister;9132]
Freddy's been in the dream world where he's kicked and punched with both Alice and Rick Johnson and gave a good fight to Tracy. So he knows how to fight with some martial arts. Elbow drops would come from watching wrestling before his death.


When in a dream there is no doubt Freddy can do whatever he wants but when he faced Jason he still did some outta control stuff..i didnt know he can jump up like Jordan and deliver strong blows in the real world..Jason jus brushed it off but they gave the fight sequence to Freddy big time..i was glad that they made Jason punch Freddy thru his side abdomen and pull out his arm i was like finally they got something right!

[Darth Sinister]

When in a dream there is no doubt Freddy can do whatever he wants but when he faced Jason he still did some outta control stuff..i didnt know he can jump up like Jordan and deliver strong blows in the real world..Jason jus brushed it off but they gave the fight sequence to Freddy big time..i was glad that they made Jason punch Freddy thru his side abdomen and pull out his arm i was like finally they got something right!

In "Freddy's Dead", Freddy was able to retain some of his power. There were two examples of this. First, when Maggie finds Freddy after dragging him out of the dream world, he looks human again. After a brief scuffle, Freddy disappears. The next time we see him, not only is he climbing on the celing and is burned again, but he has his hat on which had been left behind. When he falls onto Maggie, his hat comes off.

As to Freddy taking the blows, none of Jason's blows were as hard as what he did to Julius. They were hard enough to be like what he did to Hawes, thus when Jason puts his hand through Freddy's gut. However, they weren't going to make the fight totally one-sided in the real world. Even though Freddy wasn't capable of hitting as hard as Jason, he was able to land more blows which didn't have much affect, other than pissing Jason off. That's why Freddy had to resort to using other weapons to try and stop Jason. However, the fight was taking a toll on Freddy more than Jason. Freddy is, afterall, human. That's why by the time they get to the docks, Freddy's struggling to get up while Jason is already back on his feet. If not for the fact that Freddy had spent his youth learning to try and block out pain, he would've been in far worse trouble. Also, Jason has the benefit of killing his victims rather decisively. He just goes in with whatever is available or with his own bare hands and gets the job done 90% of the time. Freddy, on the other hand, relies on gimmicks and gags. He's not always relying on his claw. He likes to taunt and toy with his victims. Inspire fear and wallow in it. Jason just fuckin' kills you, with the only taunting was in the early days when he would lure people to him.

[SmiTheReeNs*]

Thanks Darth..i totally understand what you said..but when Jason was in the dreamworld that whole scenario was one-sided IMO..Jason had no chance..if not for Lori Jason coulda died in his dream

[Darth Sinister]

Well, in the dream world that's a whole different story. First, Freddy has all of his power there. But as we see, Jason couldn't be stopped by it and he wasn't affected until Freddy figured out his weakness. But I doubt Jason would've stayed dead, because let's face it, he's practically immortal. All Freddy could do is shut him down for a while. Second, it goes back to one of the things that Englund and the creators had decided on long ago. That if there was a film, there would have to be a fight in both realms. One for Freddy's advantage and one where the playing feild was more level.

[The New Blood]

In Jason X, the scene right before the guy gets cut in half, Jason gets hung on some spide. You can see the machete hanging next to his hand, but he's no holding it. What the hell is up with that?

[CampNewBlood]

Well, I am confused as to how Jason's "good" eye keeps changing sides. he has both....then one on the left side...then one on the right side.

Also, In TNB, he has the axe mark on top of his head....that's correct, and then he has one slice in the side of his head from the machete in TFC. I assumed when Tommy started whacking away at Jason again when he saw his finger twitch, he was whacking on his head. Why is there only 1 slice in the side of Jason's head in TNB? I assume it was to put emphasis on that one defining scene in TFC.

[JVY2K]

Freddy is, afterall, human.

Dude, after all Freddy's been through in the films and with everything he can do, he definitely not just a mere human. He's definitely undead. The bones in Dream Warriors proves Freddy was indeed burned to death. However his essence was saved and given the gift to take haunt and kill his victims in their nightmares. Forming the Freddy we know today.

[Darth Sinister]

Well, I am confused as to how Jason's "good" eye keeps changing sides. he has both....then one on the left side...then one on the right side.

It was fine until JTM, where we see a faint marking of where the machete landed. But you could see his eye. In JGTH, the folks at KNB admitted that they screwed up when they created the make-up for Jason. By the time they got done creating the completed mold, they learned of their mistake, but it was too late to change it. JX used the healing factor to restore Jason's face to normal, save for the ax mark. The effects team for FvsJ didn't follow up on all the details from the earlier films. Ergo, the mask is whole and Jason's left eye is back.

Also, In TNB, he has the axe mark on top of his head....that's correct, and then he has one slice in the side of his head from the machete in TFC. I assumed when Tommy started whacking away at Jason again when he saw his finger twitch, he was whacking on his head. Why is there only 1 slice in the side of Jason's head in TNB? I assume it was to put emphasis on that one defining scene in TFC.

Well, you have to remember that when the fourth film was done, it was to be the last story. "The Final Chapter" as it's called. Paramount had reached the point where while they enjoyed the profits from the films, they were also considering it to be the black sheep. So they decided to let it end at four. Tommy's flipped out, slicing Jason's head into a whole bunch of pieces, thus ensuring that he will not come back to life. It probably also included a decaptiation as well. But director Joe Zito felt that Paramount could change its mind and so he put in the scene where Tommy opens his eyes and we hear the vocal, before fading to white and the end credits roll. He left the door for a fifth film which we did get. But in resurrecting Jason, due to fan backlash, we only have the one slash mark which robs Jason of his left eye.


Dude, after all Freddy's been through in the films and with everything he can do, he definitely not just a mere human. He's definitely undead. The bones in Dream Warriors proves Freddy was indeed burned to death. However his essence was saved and given the gift to take haunt and kill his victims in their nightmares. Forming the Freddy we know today.

But I'm saying that when Freddy is dragged into the real world, he's still human. His dream form is made corporeal enough to qualify as a normal human being. Thus he can be hurt and killed like any other human. But he can go back into the dream world and be restored to normal.

[The Tall Man]

It never seemed to me like Tommy was hacking Jason's head. It sounds and appears way too much to me that Tommy is going to town on Jason's back/torso.

T.M.

[Wheatjedi]

I never got that impression either. I always thought Tommy was hacking at Jason's back. Still do.

[CampNewBlood]

He may have been, but it would just seem more relevant to hit him in the head repeatedly if you are trying to kill someone. Not on their back.

That's just my opinion though of course since I wasn't exactly on the set at the time. :D

[Autobotsdie]

I never could understand that either with the whole Tommy hacking him up but was left with only that one mark.

[Darth Sinister]

This is another example of a retcon. Originally, Tommy just fuckin' went to town, turning Jason's head into hamburger meat. Now, he just sliced up his back. Though, Harold's shirt is not damaged at all.

[Rich]

He never attacked his head. If you watch the film real closely, Tommy sees Jason's hand moving. Jason is laying on the floor and Tommy is standing at Jason's mid section/lower torso area and is chopping straight up and down hacking Jason's body, not his head to pieces.

Now, it would have more sense to "turn his head into hamberger meat," but in the state of mind Tommy was in, you don't think logically. You just act on instinct and that is what Tommy did. He was Jason was still alive and mindlessly attacked. If he had taken a minute to think about it, I'm sure he would have went for the head, but he did not.

[The Tall Man]

Yeah, Rich's absolutely right. There's absolutely no indication in the film that Tommy is hacking on the J-man's head.

T.M.

[Rich]

I wonder what the make up effect would have looked like if Tommy did in fact chop Jason's head in pieces. The head explosion scene in Dawn of the Dead comes to mind.

[The Tall Man]

Rich, I gotta say we'd have never seen it due to MPAA interference. What we got was gory enough... the MPAA'd have gone apeshit on something like that right after the machete slide.

T.M.

[Autobotsdie]

If Tommy did hack up the back of the head I would think it would look like the back of Dath Vaders head with out the mask.

[girlychaos]

It's not something that confuses me and someone probably said something about it already but....I really don't get it why the survivor is always female....and when a guy makes it too he's either a child or the boyfriend (that includes Tsunaron cause he's kinda Kay-Em's boyfriend....as weird as it sounds!). I get the "appeal", sure...but there's gotta be more to it than that. :thinking:

[The Dream Master]

It's the survivor girl motif that's been set up since the beginning of slasher history, I guess. There's something that must be appealing about a girl in distress to audiences.

"Behind the Mask: The Rise of Leslie Vernon" has an interesting take on this theme.

[BlakeTyner]

I think it's just a convention. The innocent, virginal teenaged girl who survives the massacre. There are some exceptions, of course, but much like in fantasy where the good knight is a white male, so in horror the survivor is female. Scream really did a good job of pointing out the 'rules' of scary movies - even being as tongue in cheek as it was, they were/are, essentially, true.

I think part of it is the whole "babysitter in peril" motif (which was used effectively in "Halloween" but exists in so many urban legends) which we all seem to identify with so strongly. It appeals to girls because it shows them rising above, and it appeals to boys because we tend to want to protect girls, and seeing them make it is nice.

~Blake

[girlychaos]

It's the survivor girl motif that's been set up since the beginning of slasher history, I guess. There's something that must be appealing about a girl in distress to audiences.

I do get that...but there should be more to it.


"Behind the Mask: The Rise of Leslie Vernon" has an interesting take on this theme.

Thanks...I'll try to get it so I can check that. :)


I think it's just a convention.

Yeah....you're right. I wonder where it came from though.

Scream really did a good job of pointing out the 'rules' of scary movies - even being as tongue in cheek as it was, they were/are, essentially, true. I think part of it is the whole "babysitter in peril" motif (which was used effectively in "Halloween" but exists in so many urban legends) which we all seem to identify with so strongly. It appeals to girls because it shows them rising above, and it appeals to boys because we tend to want to protect girls, and seeing them make it is nice.

I agree with both Scream and Halloween comments, and I see where you're coming from...I just wish there was a way to know who thought about doing it first and if there's actually a "story" behind it, you know?

[Darth Sinister]

There's no real reason at all for the surviving lead being a female, nine times out of ten. It's just a tradition dating back to the beginning, as mentioned.
"Black Christmas" and "The Texas Chainsaw Massacare" were the first films to feature a female survivor. It just became an unspoken rule until "Scream" established the rules for a conventional slasher film.

I believe it has to do with the fact that the females are the underdogs, since the man is most often the one capable of taking out the badguy in these stories. A woman is the last person to kick ass. But as we've seen over the years, more and more, females become the ass kickers.

[Autobotsdie]

Its funny that these guys in these films use everything including the kitchen sink to dispose of the bad guy and nothing happens but a woman can do the same stunt and it'll have an affect on the bad guy.

[Rich]

Friday the 13th - Nobody did anything to Pam except Alice.

Friday the 13th Part 2 - Paul wrestles Jason multiple times and gets defeated both times, but Ginny kicks him in the nuts, cuts him with a chainsaw, breaks a chair over his back, and puts a machete through him. She definitely did more ot him then Paul did.

Friday the 13th Part 3 - Nobody did anything to Jason at all in that movie except Chris.

The Final Chapter - Tommy was the one who actually killed Jason.

A New Beginning - Again, Tommy was the one who killed Roy.

Jason Lives - Tommy and Megan killed Jason.

The New Blood - Tina's father's ghost stops Jason.

[Ron]

Another thing : how come after being in the lake after so many years Tina's father appears to look very much alive only covered in a little gunk. Granted I know that they originally had a costume for him to wear that would have improved this and made it more believeable. WTF?!?

[Rich]

The film making reason he Buechler was only allowd to put straight make-up on Tina's father was because he did not get along with his producer and she told them they could only put straight make-up on him.

The way I look at it as a story element is that that was the ghost of Tina's father. I'm sure he is really burried somewhere.

The way I look at it is that anyone who dies in Crystal Lake, their spirit will always be somehow "connected" to the campsite until release. John Shephard's "release" was him saving his daughter from Jason. That was him forgiving her for what she said and did to him, and once he did that, he can then go to heaven. At least that is how I see it.

[The Dream Master]

That's a good explanation, Rich. It goes well with the old "Blood Ghost" theory that someone (might have been One of the Dead) came up with on the old forum. It was the ghost of Tina's dad, but it definately was a corpreal entity--his real body, as you said, is probably buried elsewhere.

[Ron]

I guess I never thought of it like now, but I really like that explanation. Now I can finally enjoy this film again.

[The Tall Man]

Jason Lives - Tommy and Megan killed Jason.
That should be "stops Jason". Jason is revealed to still be "alive" at the end of the movie.

T.M.

[Rich]

That is true. His eye was still open right before the credits, but in the beginning of The New Blood he seemed dead, unless he was just sleeping. You are right though, they rather stopped Jason, not really killed him. Let's say they defeated him. :)

[SmiTheReeNs*]

IMO Jason got defeated once and that was when Tommy, choppin away in down in TFC..he was more contained in Part 2,6-8 JGTH was he defeated?

[The Dream Master]

I'd say being dragged into hell constitutes a defeat of some sort.

[The Tall Man]

DM, I was scrolling down to post JUST that.

Rich, for what it's worth, Kane said Jason was merely asleep between 6 and 7 and that works for me. Definitely defeated.

T.M.

[Rich]

According to the original plans, Freddy vs. Jason was supposed to be after Jason Lives. Jason was chained in the lake and sleeping and that is how they were going to do the movie, but Paramount wanted New Line to lease Freddy to them so they could go and make the movie they wanted to make and New Line wouldn't go for that. As a result we got The New Blood. So yes, according to the original plans Jason was just sleeping, but I still see it as Tommy and Megan defeated him.

[The Dream Master]

I agree with that, Rich. They stopped the immediate threat of Jason, and, for all we know, escaped his vengeance. I guess you could say they personally defeated Jason.

[Autobotsdie]

What I hate is that they'll get a few people together before they release a movie and show the 2 or 3 alternate endings then those people decide which is the best one. Sometimes it works other times it leaves you scratching your head.

[Ron]

What I hate is that they'll get a few people together before they release a movie and show the 2 or 3 alternate endings then those people decide which is the best one. Sometimes it works other times it leaves you scratching your head.

I know I hate that. It seems like more often than not the worst ending gets picked. It kinda makes you wonder...

[Darth Sinister]

The only time that's really bothered me, is with "Die Hard With A Vengeance".

[Ron]

Apparently you haven't heard about the fiasco with Halloween 6..

[Rich]

The funny thing is I am one of the rare fans who actually likes the theatrical version of Halloween 6 better. They had problems with H20 also reguarding the mask.

I don't agree with studios doing test-shows. Let the director make the movie he/she set out to make.

Rob Zombie just had to shoot more gore for his movie because of the test shoot and he had a great point on the Halloween 25 Anniversary dvd documentary when he said, "Yeah, let a 14 year old tell you how to make your movie better [in stronger/slightly alternate words]."

[Autobotsdie]

I would like for one time to to see a true hardcore fan of these films actually get in there and tell them what everyone wants see. Of course they would probably fuck it up.

[Ron]

I don't agree with studios doing test-shows. Let the director make the movie he/she set out to make.

That's why I have so much respect for Robert Hiltzik. He said that he never shoots anything that he doesn't intend on using because it's just a waste of time and money.

[girlychaos]

I know I hate that. It seems like more often than not the worst ending gets picked. It kinda makes you wonder...

Exactly what I was gonna say.
But I do understand why most directors shoot extra scenes/endings...it must be close to impossible to actually please the studios! Of course when the directors do that, they are kinda "allowing" the studios to go as far as they do.

[Darth Sinister]

Apparently you haven't heard about the fiasco with Halloween 6..

Yeah, but I'm talking about the ending. Not the entire film being fucked up.

[Ron]

Yeah, but I'm talking about the ending. Not the entire film being fucked up.

I'm praying hard for a release of the producers cut.

[The Tall Man]

Rob Zombie just had to shoot more gore for his movie because of the test shoot
Zombie shot a new ending because test audiences hated McDowell's portrayal of Loomis.

T.M.

[Autobotsdie]

Thats all we need is another freaking ending to the remake Halloween.

[Ron]

I hope this isn't filled with as much pointless gore as the Black Christmas remake, but it probably will which is disgraceful to the originals that left so much up to the imagination and used suspense.

[Autobotsdie]

I just wish that when they are doing a reamke of a movie that they actually watch the original and get some sort of an idea what they're doing.

[Rich]

test audiences hated McDowell's portrayal of Loomis.

In all honesty, what did they excpect? It doesn't matter who is playing Loomis. All that matters is that it isn't Pleasense. People will hate it for that alone.

[Ron]

I just wish that when they are doing a reamke of a movie that they actually watch the original and get some sort of an idea what they're doing.

I agree. A lot of times in this wild world of remakes, it seems as though the filmmaker responsible doesn't even watch the original. That to me sucks big time. You're getting a really nice paycheck for remaking someone elses classic, yet won't even give their film the time of day??

[Autobotsdie]

You know if the remake of Halloween doesn't do well Zombie will look bad and Carpenter will have a field day with it and never let Zombie do a remake of Halloween 2.

[Ron]

Carpenter seems really indifferent about this remake. i really think that he just doesn't care what the hell Zombie does.

[Rich]

John will never "not let" anyone remake a Halloween for two reasons:

1. Every time a new movie is made he makes money.

2. John has no say in the matter.

Carpenter seems really indifferent about this remake. i really think that he just doesn't care what the hell Zombie does

He doesn't care what Rob does. All he cares about is his check.

[Deathscythe]

Halloween 2 can't be remade as Universal owns the rights for it.

[The Tall Man]

Rich, Carpenter actually said as much on The Daily Show once.

T.M.

[The Dream Master]

Ever since Carpenter put his name on the godawful Fog remake, no one should be surprised that he only cares about picking up his check.

[Rich]

Halloween 2 can't be remade as Universal owns the rights for it

If Rob's movie does well, they will make a sequel to it. They will not remake Halloween II as it is, they will make it a whole different movie. In the latest Rue Morgue, Rob said him being signed for three Halloween movies was nothing more then an internet rumor and he is only doing this one. Of course he is known to be a liar and a hypocrite, but that is what he said in his newest interview.

Rich, Carpenter actually said as much on The Daily Show once

What did John say on that show?

Ever since Carpenter put his name on the godawful Fog remake, no one should be surprised that he only cares about picking up his check

Truer words never spoken. I was trying to forget about that shit movie.

[Deathscythe]

I'm pretty sure Malcom McDowell signed on for two more movies.

[Ron]

I'm pretty sure Malcom McDowell signed on for two more movies.

So does that mean that we're definitley gonna get atleast a trilogy, or does that me that McDowell is contractually obligated to do 2 more depending on how well the first does in the box office?

[Rich]

I'm pretty sure Malcom McDowell signed on for two more movies.

How do you know that?

[Deathscythe]

I think someone said it in a interview, let me see if I can find it. I might be wrong.

[Ron]

i'm pretty sure I heard the same thing, but where?? it could have been on the old board.

[The Dream Master]

He did say it an interview. I remember it being posted on the old board.

[Deathscythe]

I found this (http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=99704870&blogID=299492835&Mytoken=498BDA64-6FA0-4C69-ABA65DFE20E471C484099457) on Rob Zombies myspace page:

So any news on a possible sequel?

You know, I know Malcolm signed on to a lot, and I know Tyler signed on to two. Rob told me that he wasn't going to direct it, so I didn't sign on for any. I've been approached about doing another one, but they're waiting to see how well this does.

[Ron]

who is that quoted from??

[Deathscythe]

Scout-Taylor Compton (the new Laurie)

[The Tall Man]

What did John say on that show?
(on the topic of Halloween, one of Jon Stewart's favorite horror movies)
Jon Stewart: Does it bother you when they keep making these films?
John Carpenter: I LOVE it when they make a new Halloween. It means I get a new check.

I'm pretty sure Malcom McDowell signed on for two more movies.
He may have done that... but it would have been before the current ending was shot.

T.M.

[Ron]

(on the topic of Halloween, one of Jon Stewart's favorite horror movies)
Jon Stewart: Does it bother you when they keep making these films?
John Carpenter: I LOVE it when they make a new Halloween. It means I get a new check.


He may have done that... but it would have been before the current ending was shot.

T.M.

what is the current ending?

[Autobotsdie]

So Carpenter is basically in it for the money now.

[The Dream Master]

Pretty much, Auto, and it saddens me. It wouldn't be so bad if he were still actively directing his own pictures.

[Rich]

Of course he's in it for the money. It is business. The guy has made so many movies, and so many are either classics or on their way to becoming classics. What more do you want from the guy?

[The Dream Master]

Like I said, Rich, I wish Carpenter were still directing films. That's all I want, really. It pains me to see that he's basically just decided to sit back and let checks (rightfully) roll in from remakes of his own material. If Carpenter just came out and said he were retired even, I'd be a bit happier because then I'd at least know he has no intentions of making more films.

[Autobotsdie]

I wonder how many more of his movies will be remade?

[Erik]

Like I said, Rich, I wish Carpenter were still directing films. That's all I want, really. It pains me to see that he's basically just decided to sit back and let checks (rightfully) roll in from remakes of his own material. If Carpenter just came out and said he were retired even, I'd be a bit happier because then I'd at least know he has no intentions of making more films.

I just don't think he has the passion to make movies anymore. I'm sure that if there was something he really cared about, he'd go out there and film it, but if there's no story he wants to tell, why not just live off the royalty checks? Carpenter's my favorite director, and I'd love to see him make another movie. It just doesn't seem like he cares all that much anymore.

On a side note, I think no one in the world is more suited to make an adaptation of the book I Am Legend than Carpenter. If there were one project I'd love to see him come out of semi-retirement for, it's for a completely true to the source I Am Legend adaptation. That'll never happen though, seeing as how they're releasing a new adaptation of it in December. Although I think that movie will be dynamite regardless.

I don't care what it is though, I just want to see a new damn John Carpenter movie.

[Ron]

I wonder how many more of his movies will be remade?

Who knows?? How many have they already remade??

[Autobotsdie]

2 that I know of. Halloween and The Fog. There might be more.

[Rich]

2 that I know of. Halloween and The Fog. There might be more.

Dracula, Frankenstein, The Mummy, The Wolf Man, The Invisible Man, King Kong, Nosferatu, The Blob, The Thing, the Fly, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, Night of the Living Dead, Dawn of the Dead, Day of the Dead, Halloween, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, The Hills Have Eyes, House on Haunted Hill, The Haunting, 13 Ghosts, Psycho, The Fog, The Omen, The Amityville Horror, Friday the 13th (tentatively), War of the Worlds (sort of), Godzilla, I Am Legend (sort of) and Rear Window are all examples of horror/sci-fi/thriller films that have been remade at least once (some more then once) or are getting remade.

[Erik]

2 that I know of. Halloween and The Fog. There might be more.

Assault on Precinct 13 and eventually Escape From New York.

[The Dream Master]

I just don't think he has the passion to make movies anymore. I'm sure that if there was something he really cared about, he'd go out there and film it, but if there's no story he wants to tell, why not just live off the royalty checks? Carpenter's my favorite director, and I'd love to see him make another movie. It just doesn't seem like he cares all that much anymore.




See, if he came out and said that, I'd be happy. As it is, however, it seems like he's just content to live off of royalties from his old films being remade. He should get this money, of course, but it's a shame if it's stopping him from directing anything.

[Autobotsdie]

Dracula, Frankenstein, The Mummy, The Wolf Man, The Invisible Man, King Kong, Nosferatu, The Blob, The Thing, the Fly, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, Night of the Living Dead, Dawn of the Dead, Day of the Dead, Halloween, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, The Hills Have Eyes, House on Haunted Hill, The Haunting, 13 Ghosts, Psycho, The Fog, The Omen, The Amityville Horror, Friday the 13th (tentatively), War of the Worlds (sort of), Godzilla, I Am Legend (sort of) and Rear Window are all examples of horror/sci-fi/thriller films that have been remade at least once (some more then once) or are getting remade.

I think he meant by Carpenter.

[Darth Sinister]

See, if he came out and said that, I'd be happy. As it is, however, it seems like he's just content to live off of royalties from his old films being remade. He should get this money, of course, but it's a shame if it's stopping him from directing anything.

Is he even getting any offers?

[Rich]

Not for nothing, but at his age, I can't blame him. He's made so many movies and so many of them are classics now, if I were him, I would probably be doing the same. Hell, I am shocked that George Romero is still an active film maker. Even Wes Craven has slowed down tremendously.

[Ron]

I think that film making is neccesary for George Romero's existence. It's in his blood to make zombie movies.

[Rich]

Then his blood must have worn pretty darn thin in the 1990s. :lmao:

[The Dream Master]

Like I said, if Carpenter came out and said he didn't have anything left in the tank, that'd be alright. However, I think his episode of MOH (Cigarette Burns) shows that he still has something left.

Also, I doubt he'd have to receive any offers. I'm pretty sure if Carpenter went to a studio and said, "hey, I want to do this," it'd get done.

[Rich]

Also, I doubt he'd have to receive any offers. I'm pretty sure if Carpenter went to a studio and said, "hey, I want to do this," it'd get done.

You may be right. The studio probably wouldn't even care what it was or how good or bad it was. I'm sure they know they can sell anything with John Carpenter's name above it. John isn't stupid, he knows this too.

But again, the man gets pay checks to do nothing. What a life! I still can't blame him.

[Autobotsdie]

Here is a Halloween question. How old is Michael when he shows up in Resurrection?

I know over there years there have been arguments on how old he was in the first Halloween. But roughly how old is he now?

[Rich]

He murdered his sister in 1963 when he was six years old. If he was six in 1963, he was born in 1957 (the year Jason drowned :shock:).

Halloween H20 was excactly twenty years after Halloween, which he was 21 (as Loomis stated in Halloween II).

So, in 1998 he would have been 41 years old. If Resurrection happened one year later he would have been 42.

So for arguement's sake, we can say he was definitely in his early 40s.

[Autobotsdie]

I've heard he was like 19 or 20 when he busted out of the mental ward. See thats the part that people argue about weather he is 19, 20 or 21.

[BlakeTyner]

It's made pretty clear though, isn't it? I can't remember Loomis's exact words, but in Halloween doesn't he say that he spent X years trying to reach Michael, and then X years trying to make sure he didn't get out?

I know it's detailed in H2, because I just re-watched it last week.

Is there some other basis for confusion?

~Blake

[Rich]

"I spend six years trying to reach him, and another seven trying to keep him locked up, because I realized that what was living behind that boy's eyes, was purely and simply Evil." - Dr. Loomis, Halloween

"Look here, no fillings. He's young...maybe 18...19?" - dentist, Halloween II

"Michael is 21." - Dr. Loomis, Halloween II

[The Dream Master]

Michael is 21, as Rich has said. However, I believe the credits say he's 23, which is wrong. It's definately 21.

[Deathscythe]

Don't all Halloweens except for H2 tak place in the year they were released? If so, his age would be:

Halloween: 21 (1978)
Halloween 2: 21 (1978)
Halloween 4: 31 (1988)
Halloween 5: 32 (1989)
Halloween 6: 38 (1995)
Halloween H20: 41 (1998)
Halloween Resurrection: 45 (2002)

[Darth Sinister]

Yes, that is correct. In fact, save for the sixth film and the eighth film, all others tell you what the date is supposed to be.

[Sawman]

Back to Friday the 13th. In part 4 there's a scene in the begining at the hospital where it shows a dark haired girl crying and hugging her mom. Is that supposed to be Chris from part 3 or someone else? Every time I watch it I think it's her at the hospital and the reason they don't show her face is because maybe Dana Kimmel turned down the small part or they didn't find it nessesary to get her back. I always wonder who that's supposed to be.

[The Tall Man]

"Some random victrim's family" <--- Joe Zito himself. Not Chris.

T.M.

[Shoesalesman]

That's a question I've asked myself over the years.

[Scarecrow]

Chris is a random victim... it could be her family! :p


- Scarecrow

[The 5th Golden Girl]

Another Part 4 question...

In the end credits, there is a credit for "girl in shower," as played by Robyn Woods. What the hell is this? A deleted scene, or did I just miss something? My best guess is that she was a body double for the actress who played Sarah whom I think is the only female character in a shower in part 4.

[Autobotsdie]

Still want to know how that kid got a mask with ax mark in it when the previous mask was destroyed in Jason Takes Manhatten?

[The Dream Master]

Well, apparently Jason mugged for the cameras at some point (as evidenced by the newspaper clippings in Friday 7, so Jim probably used that as reference material when he made his own mask.

[jackdeth]

Another Part 4 question...

In the end credits, there is a credit for "girl in shower," as played by Robyn Woods. What the hell is this? A deleted scene, or did I just miss something? My best guess is that she was a body double for the actress who played Sarah whom I think is the only female character in a shower in part 4.
From what I remember reading she was a body double. I think that scene was mentioned in the books, Making Friday the 13th, or Crystal Lake Memories.

[The Tall Man]

DM, the picture of Jason in newspapers in Part 7 is of him lying "dead" in the barn from Part 3.

I had always thought the pic of him in a newspaper clipping in 5 was of him on a slab at the hospital.

T.M.

[The Dream Master]

DM, the picture of Jason in newspapers in Part 7 is of him lying "dead" in the barn from Part 3.

I had always thought the pic of him in a newspaper clipping in 5 was of him on a slab at the hospital.

T.M.

I thought there was one picture where Jason was very much alive? Maybe I'm thinking about part five instead.

[girlychaos]

I think you mean the one from TFC, Brett. The one Rob kept in his camping backpack along with the "drawing" of Jason as a kid that Tommy saw and "used" in order to shave his head and stuff.

[Utellme]

Still want to know how that kid got a mask with ax mark in it when the previous mask was destroyed in Jason Takes Manhatten?
What kid ? What movie ?

[The Dream Master]

Yes, that's the one. Still, my answer remains the same: Jim from JTM could have used that as reference to make a mask with an accurate axe mark. :)

What kid ? What movie ?

He's talking about Jim in Jason Takes Manhatten.

[Utellme]

I thought there was one picture where Jason was very much alive? Maybe I'm thinking about part five instead.

DM i thought i remember seeing a newspaper clipping with picture of Jason and like you said he looks very much alive.As for what movie its in ill have to go back and watch.

[The 5th Golden Girl]

I think the photo and newspaper clipping in question is from part 5.

Here is what the bloopers section for Part V says over at Friday the 13th Films (http://www.fridaythe13thfilms.com/saga/bloopers5.html):

LOGIC ERROR: When the cop is explaining to Pam that Roy is the killer, he shows her some newspaper clippings. One of them has a photograph of Jason with his hockey mask on. What brave photographer took that picture?

Having just watched the clip of that scene, it's definitely a picture of an upright Jason with his head facing the camera and his body slightly turned to the right, kind of like the photographer caught him sneaking around.

Since the mask appears to have an ax mark, I'm going to assume the picture was taken from a security camera as Jason left the morgue/hospital at the beginning of part 4.

[The New Blood]

Since the mask appears to have an ax mark, I'm going to assume the picture was taken from a security camera as Jason left the morgue/hospital at the beginning of part 4.

I've always had this idea that the pic was taken by Creighton Duke. They apparently had met before JGTH(hence Duke saying "remember me?" to Jason). It could have been some time between his escape from the hospital, and getting to the Jarvis residence.

[Autobotsdie]

On that pic though wouldn't Jason kill the guy who took the pic because he was that close to Jason for Jason to sense or hear the camera guy?

[The New Blood]

On that pic though wouldn't Jason kill the guy who took the pic because he was that close to Jason for Jason to sense or hear the camera guy?

maybe the guy with the camera was zooming in from far away.

[Ron]

or maybe the photographer did get killed and someone else found it..Jason might have wanted the publicity:D

[Autobotsdie]

I can see Jason destroying the camera though.

[Utellme]

On that pic though wouldn't Jason kill the guy who took the pic because he was that close to Jason for Jason to sense or hear the camera guy?
Not if it was a security camera at the morgue or hospital.

[Autobotsdie]

Anyone have that pic?

[Rich]

If it were a random off screen scene where someone is walking through the woods and Jason pops out from behind a bush and the guy quickly snaps a shot and Jason kills him, I can see Jason just walking off leaving the camera on the ground...perhaps not even noticing it or caring about it. Then someone else finds it with blood around the area and gets it developed and then pulls a Peter Parker and sells it to the paper and there you go.

[Autobotsdie]

Ok that can work.

What bugs me is the whole teleportation thing like in JTM. Anyone wanna take a stab in how Jason got that power?

[The Dream Master]

What bugs me is the whole teleportation thing like in JTM. Anyone wanna take a stab in how Jason got that power?

Rob Hedden, that's how.

[Jigsaw]

The teleportation in JTM always bugged me, too. I think Rob Hedden sometimes gets too much flack for JTM, but I was kind of annoyed he didn't talk about the teleportation on his DVD commentary for the film.

[The Tall Man]

Jason wished for teleportation from Jinniah, the genie.

(Kudos to whoever gets that)

T.M.

[The Dream Master]

I believe that's an X-Files reference dere.

[Lammert]

They apparently had met before JGTH(hence Duke saying "remember me?" to Jason).

There was a backstory to JGTH, where Duke and his fiancee are in a boat at Crystal Lake, and Jason jumps out and drowns his fiancee, or something like that.

But how come ONLY Duke knows how to kill Jason in JGTH..
And what about the magic dagger? Would every knife in Jessica's hands transform into a the magic dagger...?

[The 5th Golden Girl]

Jason Goes to Hell gets a little to sci-fi for me. It's funny that I can accept that dead Jason can be brought back by lightning (part 6), psychic ability (part 7), and electricity (part 8), but body-hopping and magic daggers and hell babies and hell hands are just a little too much for me. That said, I do enjoy JGTH in bits and pieces, and since Jason X came out, JGTH is no longer my default least favorite Friday because as much as I don't like JGTH in parts, I fuckin' hate Jason X as a whole.

Whoops, sorry, I didn't mean to go off on a tangent there. I do have a question.

Q: What the hell did Duke do to Steven's fingers? Did he really break them, or did he just dislocate them or crack them or what?
ADDED:
Why the hell does Roy just stand there like a jackass when Reggie's about to ram him in that thing he's driving? Pam has enough time to roll over, stand up, and get out of the way, but Roy just stands there? :lol:

The only explanation I have is that the film-makers were really trying to get us to believe that Roy was Jason, so they had to come up with some way to make Roy look somewhat indestructible, even if it ended up looking ridiculous.

I figured Roy didn't care if he lived or died. In fact, I think he would have continued killing people in the area (was part 5 in Crystal Lake?) until someone killed him. So, when he saw the tractor coming at him, he just stood there as if to say, "Go ahead and kill me. I don't care anymore."

There may be quite a few of them but list some moments in Friday the 13th that make you think what the heck does that have to do with anything.Heres mine in Jason X the guy says hey guys he just wanted his machete back

Comic relief.

part 3 where jason smiles..i just never got it.

I don't care why its in the film; I'm just glad it's there. Hands down the creepiest part of any Friday movie for me. Smiling Jason = scary as fuck.

Gordon jumping out the window...never got it!

Gordon didn't jump; Jason crushed some bones in Gordon and then threw him out the window. A filming error (using a live dog to do the stunt over using a dummy) makes it look like the dog jumped (because the actual dog used in filming jumped, but Gordon did not).

He never attacked his head. If you watch the film real closely, Tommy sees Jason's hand moving. Jason is laying on the floor and Tommy is standing at Jason's mid section/lower torso area and is chopping straight up and down hacking Jason's body, not his head to pieces.

Now, it would have more sense to "turn his head into hamberger meat," but in the state of mind Tommy was in, you don't think logically. You just act on instinct and that is what Tommy did. He was Jason was still alive and mindlessly attacked. If he had taken a minute to think about it, I'm sure he would have went for the head, but he did not.

This may just be me, but I don't think I could hack at someone's head, even if they were a deranged killer. I'd feel much more comfortable hacking at a part of the body that's covered in clothes and won't spew brain matter and goo everywhere.

Plus you have to think hacking at someone's spine will get the job done just as much as hacking at the head/brain.

But I think you said it best... Tommy just started hacking; he wasn't in his right mind, and since he was standing beside Jason's back, that's where he started hacking.

It's not something that confuses me and someone probably said something about it already but....I really don't get it why the survivor is always female....and when a guy makes it too he's either a child or the boyfriend (that includes Tsunaron cause he's kinda Kay-Em's boyfriend....as weird as it sounds!). I get the "appeal", sure...but there's gotta be more to it than that. :thinking:

You'd be surprised how many essays and what-not are written about "The Final Girl." It's quite interesting. My Shakespeare teacher let me borrow a book once that had an essay comparing slasher movie final girls to Shakespeare.

Jason Goes to Hell gets a little to sci-fi for me. It's funny that I can accept that dead Jason can be brought back by lightning (part 6), psychic ability (part 7), and electricity (part 8), but body-hopping and magic daggers and hell babies and hell hands are just a little too much for me. That said, I do enjoy JGTH in bits and pieces, and since Jason X came out, JGTH is no longer my default least favorite Friday because as much as I don't like JGTH in parts, I fuckin' hate Jason X as a whole.

Whoops, sorry, I didn't mean to go off on a tangent there. I do have a question.

Q: What the hell did Duke do to Steven's fingers? Did he really break them, or did he just dislocate them or crack them or what?

Don't forget to try and answer my question!

[The Tall Man]

Jason Goes to Hell gets a little to sci-fi for me.
Huh? What in JGTH is sci-fi at all??? JX has sci-fi stuff in it. Everything in JGTH is within the horror genre. It just ventures outside of slasher conventions.

Gordon didn't jump; Jason crushed some bones in Gordon and then threw him out the window. A filming error (using a live dog to do the stunt over using a dummy) makes it look like the dog jumped (because the actual dog used in filming jumped, but Gordon did not).
This is absolutely incorrect. Gordon jumped out of the window because he sensed something was seriously wrong there and wanted to get the hell out of there NOW (which dogs WILL do. I have several stories I could tell you as such). There is NO way Jason could have thrown Gordon out a window when at the time he was hiding in the basement.

Remember: just say no to Jason throwing Gordon out the window.

T.M.

[The Dream Master]

I think "fantasy" might be a better way to describe what 5th is talking about. It's still a horror movie through and through, but JGTH does kind of veer off into some unexpected territory (magical daggers, for one) for a Friday film, which is why it's awesome. That, and the Duke, who I think did break Steven's fingers.

[The 5th Golden Girl]

Nah, Gordon was thrown out the window by Jason.

And I guess "fantasy" is a better term for what I meant.

[nottidelterrore]

I agree with TM about Gordon jumping out of the window. That's always how I interpreted it & how I always will.

[Darth Sinister]

Q: What the hell did Duke do to Steven's fingers? Did he really break them, or did he just dislocate them or crack them or what?


I think Duke broke them. He could've dislocated, but the impression I got was that he was breaking them. *shrugs*.

[The Tall Man]

Nah, Gordon was thrown out the window by Jason.
Nah. Jumped. :side: 'Nuff said.

I'd be willing to listen to a reasoning rather than just a mere assertion. Again, Jason was IN THE BASEMENT at the time.

T.M.

[El Rooto]

He threw Gordon out the window and slid down the house's laundry chute.

Maybe.

[The Dream Master]

I kind of see that scene as similar to the cat jumping into the window in part 2 (and other false scares of that nature): it's there to make you jump. Jason being in the basement at the time makes it hard for me to believe that he threw Gordon out of the window.

[Autobotsdie]

Ok I have a couple questions about part 5.

1. Where was the real Jason during all this?

2. Did Tommy finally flip at the end and imitate Jason or was he possesed by Jasons spirat?

3. Did anyone find it odd that we didn't see Jasons face until almost the end when bust through the door?

[James M]

Ok I have a couple questions about part 5.

1. Where was the real Jason during all this?

2. Did Tommy finally flip at the end and imitate Jason or was he possesed by Jasons spirat?

3. Did anyone find it odd that we didn't see Jasons face until almost the end when bust through the door?


1. Dead and buried. He was meant to be dead at the end of The Final Chapter

2. He flipped. Jason didn't take anyone's spirit over. Tommy just had visions, and I think that last vision saw Tommy finally snap...his look went from fear to acceptance. And Roy also just went nuts over the death of his son.

3. They were trying to keep everything a mystery, making you wonder who the killer is. The finally reveal the killer towards the end, and it looks like Jason (save for some visual inaccuracies). But we find out at the end that it wasn't Jason afterall, but Roy.

[The 5th Golden Girl]

Nah. Jumped. :side: 'Nuff said.

I'd be willing to listen to a reasoning rather than just a mere assertion. Again, Jason was IN THE BASEMENT at the time.

T.M.

I've given my reasoning (as have you, silly ;) ) in this thread (http://www.f13-community.co.uk/board/showthread.php?t=1572). It's my belief that Gordon was thrown by Jason.

[Monkey]

Ok I have a couple questions about part 5.

1. Where was the real Jason during all this?

2. Did Tommy finally flip at the end and imitate Jason or was he possesed by Jasons spirat?

3. Did anyone find it odd that we didn't see Jasons face until almost the end when bust through the door?

1. He was still in the ground... if I'm following it correctly. He was 'killed' at the end of the final chapter and was buried. Tommy revived him in Jason Lives... that's how I see it anyway.

The other 2... I'm not so sure about. It looked like Tommy flipped out at the end of the fifth movie, but I assume he didn't kill old girl. (I say old girl, cause I don't remember her name and it's been about 6 or 7 years since I've seen new beginning. She was good lookin, though. I remember that. :p).
They never elaborated in Jason Lives, but I don't think he served time nor did they ever mention any incident involving his flip out in the fifth movie (as far as I remember...see above). Maybe he just has a weird sense of humor? That's purely speculation, though, as I never read any of the books or know the backstory to these movies as some members do.

So, yeah, Jason was pretty dead during the events of part 5. Six feet under. (IMO)
Added: Oh, nevermind. It looks like somebody answered your questions already... :)

Added: Oh yeah. I don't understand why the coroner in JGTH ate Jason's heart. Weird stuff. I know they tried to explain it, but... you know I can crave bacon or chocolate ice cream, but a serial killer's heart? Maybe if I was pregnant. Even still... :(

[James M]

The spirit made him eat it. Yeah, I know I just said there were no spirits involved in ANB, but JGTH is a whole other ball game that made up new rules just for that movie.

[The Tall Man]

I've given my reasoning (as have you, silly ;) ) in this thread (http://www.f13-community.co.uk/board/showthread.php?t=1572). It's my belief that Gordon was thrown by Jason.
I'm supposed to know what you said in some other thread? :duh:

I'm just gonna keep pointing out the logic: JASON. BASEMENT. HIDING.

T.M.

[The New Blood]

But how come ONLY Duke knows how to kill Jason in JGTH...?

Perhaps Duke knew Jason's father Elias, and got information from there. Just an idea..

[Lammert]

I don't understand why the coroner in JGTH ate Jason's heart.

The hypnotic noise the heart makes when it beats...

[Autobotsdie]

Another thing I never could understand was how Roy made it to the ambulance before Pam and Eddie?

[The 5th Golden Girl]

I'm supposed to know what you said in some other thread? :duh:

I'm just gonna keep pointing out the logic: JASON. BASEMENT. HIDING.

T.M.

I gave you the link to that thread so we didn't have to keep hijacking this thread. If you believe Jason was hiding in the basement the entire time and that Gordon jumped out the window on his own even though there was a crushing sound, whimpering, and scary music to accompany his going out the window in slow motion just like other "Jason throws people out windows" deaths, that's fine by me.

[Lammert]

He jumped out of the windows of his own... I never heared this crushing sound... just him wimpering and sounding scared.

[James M]

Another thing I never could understand was how Roy made it to the ambulance before Pam and Eddie?

You mean Reggie. Eddie was the guy killed with the strap around the head. As for how Roy got there, he probably took another route. From the time Roy busts through the door, we don't actually see him again until he pops up by the ambulance. For all we know, maybe he ran there.

[The Tall Man]

He jumped out of the windows of his own... I never heared this crushing sound... just him wimpering and sounding scared.
Lambo, there's no crushing sound. He's hearing the sound of Gordon's feet scampering and calling that a "crushing sound".

And Fifth, "hijacking"? You're the one dredging up stuff from page 1 that was laid to rest long ago.

Jason. Hiding. Basement.

T.M.

[nottidelterrore]

Jason. Hiding. Basement.

Exactly.

And Roy Burns must be a champion runner. And crafty.

[The Dream Master]

Come on Tally, no need to get snippy with 5th.

This is the only place I know where a debate about Jason possibly throwing a dog out of a window would take place. :lol:

[Esten]

I just got off the horn with Kane Hodder, and he cleared this debate up: "Jason wouldn't do that." was his response.

Case CUH-LOSED!

[The Dream Master]

:lol:

I was wondering how long it would take for someone to quote Kane on the matter.

[James M]

Jason never runs, by the way. Well, unless you watch Fridays II-IV. ;)

[The 5th Golden Girl]

I was trying to drop it, and be nice about it, too. Whatever. Believe what you want.

There IS a crushing noise, though. I just watched that scene. Also, why the hell would they film a dog jumping through a window? It was supposed to be Jason murdering Gordon, that's why. Do you really think the audience back then thought "Oh, my God... I'm so glad that dog sensed something was wrong and jumped out the window!" No, they more than likely thought, "Jeez, Jason just killed that dog!" Jason. Hiding. Basement. means nothing to me. Jason jumps around a lot throughout the movie. One minute he's in the kitchen, the next minute he's on the roof. He's outside, he's inside. He's at the Jarvis house. He's at the other house. He's out at the lake, he's back at the houses. So, Jason. Basement. Hiding. means nothing. Do we see him hiding in the basement? No. In fact, Rob's down in the basement a long while before he's attacked. For all we know, Jason was upstairs, killed the dog (bad effect choice shows the real dog jumping, but the character didn't jump), got on the roof, climbed down the way he climbed up earlier, put the twin's dead body at the threashold where the characters just entered (someone had to do it... Trish tried to run out that door later only to run into that body), and go into the basement through a cellar door.

It's not that unbelievable. Gah. It's not my fault the intention (Jason. Kills. Dog.) is muddled by bad filmmaking.

[The Tall Man]

I just got off the horn with Kane Hodder, and he cleared this debate up: "Jason wouldn't do that." was his response.

Case CUH-LOSED!
:lmao::bang:

I was trying to drop it, and be nice about it, too. Whatever. Believe what you want.
I don't believe anything. I know it. You're the one that won't accept it.

There IS a crushing noise, though. I just watched that scene.
As did I JUST before I posted the last thing to Lambo. And actually twice... from my original VHS dubbed to DVD-R and the DVD itself. It is definitely NOT a crushing noise. It sounds absolutely NOTHING like crushing. What it does sound like is feet scampering... which is what it is.

Also, why the hell would they film a dog jumping through a window?
To creep you out. Duh.

Do you really think the audience back then thought "Oh, my God... I'm so glad that dog sensed something was wrong and jumped out the window!"
Well, that what I thought because I know things about dogs.

Jason jumps around a lot throughout the movie. One minute he's in the kitchen, the next minute he's on the roof. He's outside, he's inside. He's at the Jarvis house. He's at the other house. He's out at the lake, he's back at the houses. So, Jason. Basement. Hiding. means nothing. Do we see him hiding in the basement? No. In fact, Rob's down in the basement a long while before he's attacked. For all we know, Jason was upstairs, killed the dog (bad effect choice shows the real dog jumping, but the character didn't jump), got on the roof, climbed down the way he climbed up earlier, put the twin's dead body at the threashold where the characters just entered (someone had to do it... Trish tried to run out that door later only to run into that body), and go into the basement through a cellar door.
Pretty sure Rob and Trish would have noticed THAT. The kids were involved in their own thing so Jason could slink around easily, but Trish and Rob knew something was up and would have noticed Jason jumping around like that.

It's not that unbelievable.
No, but Gordon jumping out the window because he's damned scared is FAR more logical.

And whatever yourself. :side:

T.M.

[Utellme]

is muddled by bad film making.

No way this can't be so can it ? This was the best movie ever made wasn't it.

If i was the dog i would have jumped out the window also to get as far away from this movie.Heck the dog was smarter than most the humans involved in this project.

[Lammert]

Animals can do crazy shit when they're scared... ;)

[Autobotsdie]

I just got off the horn with Kane Hodder, and he cleared this debate up: "Jason wouldn't do that." was his response.

Case CUH-LOSED!

Now thats funny.

[James M]

Joe Zito or one of the writers could settle this debate if asked in an interview or something. I personally go with the "Gordon jumped" theory.

[The 5th Golden Girl]

..........

[James M]

Me? All I said was that one of those guys could settle the argument if asked, and then which theory I subscribe to. :confused:

[The Dream Master]

I don't think 5th was talking to you there, James.

And let's simmer down, gang.

[The 5th Golden Girl]

Sorry, guys. I don't know what got into me. I'm pretty sure my problem isn't what happened to Gordon; that was just the faucet from which all my pent-up frustrations spewed. Yikes, I never lose my cool like that usually.

So, I'm sorry. Truce?

-----

I have a question, but it's a Halloween question. I hope that's alright. Why was the actor's eyes taped (were they taped?) when he was unmasked in the original movie?

[The Dream Master]

You know, that's a damn good question. Something is definitely up with Tony Moran's eyes in that scene, but I'll be damned if I ever remember hearing why.

[James M]

I think he had some kind of makeup on to show his injury from getting stabbed with a hanger.

Something else I find odd in the scene, though...when he's putting the mask back on, his face looks like it gets moved like rubber. Maybe I'm just seeing it wrong and that's the inner part of the mask showing as he slips it back on.

[The 5th Golden Girl]

Oh, I had forgotten about the hanger to the eye. Maybe that's why it looks the way it does. I'm pretty sure he had tape on his eye, though, because I was watching "Backstory: Halloween" on AMC, and it showed behind-the-scenes pictures, and it appeared he had both of his eyes taped up with scotch tape.

James M, when he puts the mask back on, what you're seeing is the flesh-colored inside of the mask as he pulls it down.

Okay, having just rewatched that behind-the-scenes program, it appears they may have made up his eye to appear it was damaged by the hanger. That makes sense.

[Lammert]

Isn't this a Friday the 13th forum? ;)

[James M]

Ah yes, we'll get it back on topic.

You know the Simpsons episode when Homer becomes a cartoon voice actor and he learns to answer any crazy questions about continuity with the nonsense answer, "a wizard did it?" Well, using regeneration or body hopping for an explanation about the Paramount films (like continuity errors in makeup), even though that stuff was never in mind, reminds me of that. "Regeneration did it."

[Monkey]

Hmmm.

Okay, I just watched part 3. Two things bugged/confused me.

1. Jason, where's your 'do? Didn't get Ginny, so you chalk it up to a bad hair day? Shaved your head for good luck?

2. The old dude with the portable eyeball. Is he referring to Jason in his ramblings? The way he talked, it sounded like Jason spoke to him (gave him the warning to tell others).

[The Dream Master]

Jason's appearance in Friday 3 can be explained by the fact that the end of part 2 is a dream. This is made obvious when Jason removes the machete from his shoulder at the beginning of 3, which means he never crashed through the window and attacked Ginny at the end of 2.

As for the old dude (Abel is his name, I think), I think he probably found the eyeball. I doubt the J-Man was going around handing out warnings at that point. :)

[Monkey]

Jason's appearance in Friday 3 can be explained by the fact that the end of part 2 is a dream. This is made obvious when Jason removes the machete from his shoulder at the beginning of 3, which means he never crashed through the window and attacked Ginny at the end of 2...
Damn, you're right. That was pretty obvious, come to think of it. You never see Jason's face until the dream sequence, and I remember seeing him remove the machete. A detective, I'm not.

As far as the old dude, I just ran into him at the supermarket. He told me that Jason loves dogs and definitely wouldn't throw one through a window or anything... I'm not sure how the subject came up...

Oh wait, that was a dream sequence of my own. Nevermind. :D
(thanks for the input, BTW)

[The Dream Master]

:lol:

That old dude in the supermarket didn't happen to look like Kane Hodder did he?

[girlychaos]

It's not something that confuses me, but it bothers me...and someone probably brought that up already.

But the fact that Jason is taller, stronger and a little slower in part 3 never made much sense to me, considering it's right after part 2. I can accept the "changing clothes" bit because he could easily get himself other ones. But how he got so different, in such a short period of time, always kind of bothered me. Especially because when Chris is telling Rich about her dream, it's the part 3 Jason we see...when it should be part 2 Jason, since it happened some time before.