Your Unpopular Video Game Opinions

[The Taff]

This thread exists in other forms over the forum, so why not here? You guys know the drill by now, so take 'er away!

[The Dream Master]

Not sure how unpopular this is, but I can't get into turned-based RPGs at all; in fact, they bore the piss out of me.

[The Taff]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Modern Warfare 2 is not worth the $60 price tag in the least.

[Brett H.]

All these acehole "hardcore" gamers out there that only play the new COD or Halo are not necessarily hardcore gamers. When the game sells a bajillion copies day one, it's as mainstream as it gets.

And I think that "hardcore" and "casual" shit is stupid to begin with, but that must be said.

[Spook]

The Halo series sucks.

[The Tall Man]

Super Mario Brothers 2 (USA Version) was the best Mario game.

T.M., Esq.

[The Taff]

There's no such fucking thing as a "casual gamer." There are Gamers and there are people who play games. There's no fucking in between. A Gamer is somebody who engrosses themselves in Gamer fucking culture, and simply waving a Goddamn Wiimote around does not make you a gamer.

[zach82]

The Halo series sucks.

I agree... that's my contribution to this thread. Halo sucks, plain and simple. How it manages to be a bestseller title after title is beyond me. I just find them to be very boring games. Give me Doom, Wolfenstein, or Quake anyday of the week over Halo.

[Scarecrow]

There's no such fucking thing as a "casual gamer." There are Gamers and there are people who play games. There's no fucking in between. A Gamer is somebody who engrosses themselves in Gamer fucking culture, and simply waving a Goddamn Wiimote around does not make you a gamer.

Says who?

It seems "gamer" is becoming increasingly self-defined by thsoe withina culture that wants more and more to isolate itself. Games are, in the end, intended as a form of entertainment.

I find it laughable that I see so-called "hardcore gamers" claiming "casual gamers" are somehow "killing the industry". In fact I saw that on a profile. Claiming casual gamers playing on Modern Warfare 2 are "killing the industry" and should go buy a sucky PS3 instead. The vile seen amongst some is laughable.

And the most stupid thing is this involves hardcore people who ONLY by ONE game, like Halo 3, and play it endlessly until the next BIUG game liek Modern Warfae 2 and that's ALL they do. Yeah, buying one game a year is REALLY keeping the industry alive...


- Scarecrow

[jasonlives13]

The Halo series sucks.

I also agree

[Monkey]

I always thought Mario was above-average, at best.

Final Fantasy 7 is the most overrated game ever created.

And is it just me, or is it a fact that the most powerful game systems of their time/generation were/are never the most succesful?
Sega Master system blown out by the NES.
Neo Geo didn't even scratch the SNES sales.
X-Box was soundly beaten by the PS2.
For most of this generation, the 360 & PS3 combined have been outsold by the Wii.
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Super Mario Brothers 2 (USA Version) was the best Mario game.

T.M., Esq.
Have to agree with you there. Probably due to the fact that it originated as a completely different Japanese game (Yume Kojo: Doki Doki Panic) facelifted to look like a Mario sequel for us American gamers.

[The Taff]

Says who?

It seems "gamer" is becoming increasingly self-defined by thsoe withina culture that wants more and more to isolate itself. Games are, in the end, intended as a form of entertainment.

I find it laughable that I see so-called "hardcore gamers" claiming "casual gamers" are somehow "killing the industry". In fact I saw that on a profile. Claiming casual gamers playing on Modern Warfare 2 are "killing the industry" and should go buy a sucky PS3 instead. The vile seen amongst some is laughable.

And the most stupid thing is this involves hardcore people who ONLY by ONE game, like Halo 3, and play it endlessly until the next BIUG game liek Modern Warfae 2 and that's ALL they do. Yeah, buying one game a year is REALLY keeping the industry alive...


- Scarecrow

I said nothing about "people who play games" destroying the industry. Way to put words in my fucking mouth.

I said there is a distinction in what makes a person a Gamer, just like any subculture. There is an expansive culture involved with video games, and people who engage in that culture are Gamers. Gaming is the forefront of their identity, and they pay close attention to the pulse and motions of the industry. And gaming is not exclusive to video games. Card games and table top games are included in that culture as well.

On the flip side, someone who plays Halo every monday with the guys and nothing else is not a gamer. Someone who bought a Wii because it's the next big thing is not a gamer. The old lady playing Brain Age on her pink DS, while that is awesome, is not a Gamer. They are in no way "killing the industry." If anything they are helping to fund the industry by buying these niche market games that go on to fund real games.
ADDED:
For most of this generation, the 360 & PS3 combined have been outsold by the Wii.

That's going to catch up to the Wii in a big, bad way. While the Wii console sells like funnel cakes at the fair, software sales ont he console are at an all time low. Quality third party games are few and far inbetween, and when they are released they don't sell well at all. THe only people literally make money off this console is Nintendo, and they havn't learned their lesson from the Gamecube about 3rd party support.

In the end, the PS3 and Xbox 360 will be the dominant consoles. Depending on which region we're talking, the PS3 might beat the 360 or vice versa. Their library of games are just superior to the Wii's, and Gamers have far more staying power in the industry than the niche market the Wii is catering to. I wish I could find the damn article, but I saw some sales numbers over at Kotaku, and it's already started. It's unfortunate that for all the potential the console had, Nintendo decided to regulate their console into "fad" status. "People who play games" certianly can help pay the bills, but you can't alienate Gamers, as they are the ones who stick around int he long run. There's a happy medium there, and I think the 360 and the PS3 are going to find that and capitalize on it far before Nintendo pulls its headout of its ass.

Sony did the same thing with the PS3, trying to cater to a single crowd with their "luxury console" where you have access to all the features a gamer could possibly need. It bit them hard in the ass from launch, as it was too expensive, clunky and had a sparse library from laucnh. Luckily Sony's been at this game long enough to pull their head out of their ass and they are well on track to becoming one of the big console contenders this year. Nintendo, despite being at this longer than any of them, hasn't learned any lessons yet. ANd it's going to cost them in the end if they don't.

[Scarecrow]

I said nothing about "people who play games" destroying the industry. Way to put words in my fucking mouth.


Try taking your own criticism here. I never accused you of ANYTHING. I said "gamer" is not a simple concept, and lives in the same blurry area that leads to peoiple claiming people aren't "true fans" of whatever.

The rest was general observations and at NO POINT did I say YOU said any of it.

- Scarecrow

[Kat]

Pac Man was way better than Donkey Kong

[FinalBeyond]

Super Mario 64 was an awful, ponderous game, not this vaunted classic.

Additionally, Silent Hill 2 was horrible. 20 minutes or so of running through fog before you even reach the town, and get to run through fog in an entirely new locale. After that, I gave up. I had more fun with E.T. for the Atari.

[The Taff]

Try taking your own criticism here. I never accused you of ANYTHING. I said "gamer" is not a simple concept, and lives in the same blurry area that leads to peoiple claiming people aren't "true fans" of whatever.

The rest was general observations and at NO POINT did I say YOU said any of it.

- Scarecrow

Your entire post seemed to be a criticism of my thought process, so excuse me for not seeing this hair thin line where you have declared sections of the post mutually fucking exclusive from one another.

[Scarecrow]

Your entire post seemed to be a criticism of my thought process, so excuse me for not seeing this hair thin line where you have declared sections of the post mutually fucking exclusive from one another.

I was under the ipression the point of the thread was to say so-called "unpopular" opinions. And I'm pretty sure everyone on a forum does not start a new post to make a new point. And I still never claimed you said anything. AND the point I was makign was related to the previous subject. The fact that your quick to jump to assume peopel are being negative to you is not my problem.

- Scarecrow

[The Taff]

I was under the ipression the point of the thread was to say so-called "unpopular" opinions. And I'm pretty sure everyone on a forum does not start a new post to make a new point. And I still never claimed you said anything. AND the point I was makign was related to the previous subject. The fact that your quick to jump to assume peopel are being negative to you is not my problem.

- Scarecrow

And me addressing someone criticizing my views and related issues is well within my rights. Had you been effective at communicating in the first Goddamn place maybe the bullshit pissing match wouldn't have popped up, would it? You started your post addressing my point of view then moved along the same subject line without any proper indication that the comments still weren't directed at me. Something like "on a related note" would have served you well, so if I get defensive in that situation it's because you were incapable of seperating me from the rest of the post properly.

As it stood, your post made me feel like you were saying I was one of these people pissing on others for not being "t3h hardcorez." So when I think someone's painting me in that douchebag light, I understandably get fucking hostile. A simple "my bad, I didn't mean you" in a friendly tone would have sufficed and I would have replied with an "Oh, my bad" as well. Instead I recieved this asinine "learn to read, you stupid fucking wanker" tone and now we're where we are right now.

[Monkey]

I had more fun with E.T. for the Atari.
Damn, man. Are you into S&M?

I remember that game. I kept falling into holes and had not one clue what I was supposed to do.

SH2 is actually pretty good, but I understand your frustration by running endlessly through a foggy forested area for what seems like an eternity. As you get older, it gets harder and harder to trudge through a game to get to the 'good parts'. At least with Silent Hill, they tried to weave the hardware's limitation into the storyline.

Ditto on the Super Mario 64 analogy. It seemed more like a hardware demo than an actual game, I could never get into it. Pretty for the time, but it was just a blah experience for me.

Halo > Halo 2.

[The Taff]

Halo > Halo 2.


Oh shit yeah, it is.

[Monkey]

I remember my brother was saying how he wished they made a soundtrack to the game.

I snagged that bitch at Hastings for his Christmas present. Even if people don't like Halo, how can you not like the music?

[The Taff]

I remember my brother was saying how he wished they made a soundtrack to the game.

I snagged that bitch at Hastings for his Christmas present. Even if people don't like Halo, how can you not like the music?

Marty O'Donnell is one of the best composers in gaming, second only to Jesper Kyd in my opinion. That's a great fucking buy, Monkey. I'm sure he'll love it. I have the tracks for all 4 games and the range from kick ass to movingly beautiful.

[The Dream Master]

I know Halo kind of gets saddled with the "overrated" rap from the gamer crowd, but I think people forget how it kind of blew a lot of console gamers away at the time. It was nothing incredibly new to the PC FPS crowd, but it was pretty much the second coming of Goldeneye for console players.

[The Taff]

I know Halo kind of gets saddled with the "overrated" rap from the gamer crowd, but I think people forget how it kind of blew a lot of console gamers away at the time. It was nothing incredibly new to the PC FPS crowd, but it was pretty much the second coming of Goldeneye for console players.

Indeed, Halo has delivered a working control scheme to consoles and has made FPS games finally accessible to the console crowd, proving that Goldeneye and Perfect Dark were not flukes. That control scheme is Halo's legacy.

[Monkey]

Marty O'Donnell is one of the best composers in gaming, second only to Jesper Kyd in my opinion. That's a great fucking buy, Monkey. I'm sure he'll love it. I have the tracks for all 4 games and the range from kick ass to movingly beautiful.

Oh yeah, I think he got it for Christmas of '01 or '02. He burned me a copy. Brothers in Arms is amazing and should be used for the Halo movie trailer (if the movie ever sees the light of day).

DM, your analogy is spot on. We used to play goldeneye for hours on end, but Halo was head and shoulders above anything else on consoles at the time. Hell, it was a launch title for the system and personally my favorite X-Box (original game) of all time.

My only frustration with the game was minutes into my first playthrough. I had no idea you could depress the analog stick in to kneel. The control scheme was easy to get used to; it would have made Goldeneye quite a bit easier. The graphics were top notch, the music was amazing.

Halo 3 was a major disappointment. I expected quite a bit more and prefer Half-Life 2 & Bioshock for the 360.

[The Dream Master]

It's hard to believe it's been eight fucking years since the X-Box launched with Halo. My brother, cousin, and I were hooked on it for a long time (hell, they still are hooked on the series).

That also reminds me of when they went back to play Goldeneye a couple of years after Halo, and they couldn't believe that it really wasn't fun anymore. I didn't exactly agree with them, but that goes to show you what Halo meant to people like them, I guess.

[The Taff]

I think music games like Guitar Hero, Rock band and this new "DJ Hero" bullshit are repetative and grindingly dull.

[Monkey]

It's hard to believe it's been eight fucking years since the X-Box launched with Halo. My brother, cousin, and I were hooked on it for a long time (hell, they still are hooked on the series).

That also reminds me of when they went back to play Goldeneye a couple of years after Halo, and they couldn't believe that it really wasn't fun anymore. I didn't exactly agree with them, but that goes to show you what Halo meant to people like them, I guess.

8 years. Damn, you're getting old.

I couldn't get into Goldeneye again because of the controller layout. If I could use my 360 controller and Halo's control scheme, I'd give it another whirl.

[Scarecrow]

And me addressing someone criticizing my views and related issues is well within my rights. Had you been effective at communicating in the first Goddamn place maybe the bullshit pissing match wouldn't have popped up, would it? A simple "my bad, I didn't mean you" in a friendly tone would have sufficed and I would have replied with an "Oh, my bad" as well. Instead I recieved this asinine "learn to read, you stupid fucking wanker" tone and now we're where we are right now.

Never said it wasn't. And again you're putting words in my mouth. And claiming a "tone" to written words. Any negative slant is your own interpretation. And you could have been less aggressive about to to start with, and not claim I'm saying things I want. When I'm accused of thing I haven't done I will get defensive, something I will admit to. But I don't care for any point scoring nonsense.

NEW SUBJECT

As of last night I also am ettign fed up with custom games people ste up online where it's set up entirly for thier benefit. It's little fun to just have someone totally dominating a game because they grab some badass ultimate weapon and then sit guarding one area forcing you to come to them and get killed eveyr time.


- Scarecrow

[Monkey]

As of last night I also am ettign fed up with custom games people ste up online where it's set up entirly for thier benefit. It's little fun to just have someone totally dominating a game because they grab some badass ultimate weapon and then sit guarding one area forcing you to come to them and get killed eveyr time.

- Scarecrow
The 'build your own campsite' option? :D

[SlasherFreak]

They will never make games that are more fun and with equal or greater replay value of the 8 and 16 bit era games...I don't care what anyone says, it'll just never happen.

Sports games are most definitely the best games, and hands down the most fun to play amongst a group of people.

Tomb Raider sucks fucking balls. If I wanted to solve puzzles and shit I woulda bought a rubix cube or some shit. I wanna shoot the fuck out of some shit, not be a damn problem solver.

Chess video games blow. Nothing like a human chess opponent on a real board.

As a matter of fact...pretty much all the board games I've played on a console has sucked donkey dick.

[Monkey]

O'Doyle: Mortal Kombat on the Sega Genesis is the best video game ever.
Billy Madison: I disagree. It's a very good game, but I think Donkey Kong is the best video game ever.
O'Doyle: Donkey Kong sucks!
Billy Madison: You know somethin'? You suck!

I personally prefer Donkey Kong over Mortal Kombat...

[The Taff]

I hate people in multiplayer matches who complain about you using what's in the map to your advantage. If there's a rocket launcher there, anyone who obtains it is free to use it. If I'm sniping and find a good, defendable spot I'll stay there all damn day if I want. If there's a specific asset on the map that would be wise to deny to other players, I'll keep my scope trained on that area. It's called tactics. It's not my problem that my opponent can't figure out a way to migrate me from that position, or kill me when I'm sporting a boom tube.

If the game developer frowned on people using a specifric weapon, they wouldn't put that in the game. If they intended me to be moving at all times, they'de strap a bomb to my chest that would go off if I dipped under 50 MPH (Though that would be a really fucking funny gameplay mechanic.)

Pop quiz, hot shot. What do I want you to do? Answer: shut up, play the Goddamn game and get fucking better at it. There's no gentleman's fucking agreement on how you can and can't play. As long as you're playing within the bounds of the game's intended programming and not shooting through walls or firing missles out of a submachine gun, you're fine.

[Brett H.]

I hate the fucking people that bitch about what weapons and shit others use too. The only thing I hate is spawn camping and random grenades. And, I think they're valid to hate because they either really hinder gameplay or are really just some random luck. In Socom for PSP, you literally spawn and die because the spawn points are always the same and people literally lay on the ground behind them in wait. Random grenades, well, they're just dumb. Non-sniper camping I think is fucking lame too, but at least you can beat them. I still think it's a boring ass way to play the game, though, and isn't indicative of skill at all.

My unpopular opinion for this post is much like Nate's in the last - the double melee is awesome.

[The Taff]

This can be either popular or unpopular, but graphics do not make the fucking game. There are a large number of people who will only participate in a game if it meets their graphical standards, and those people are missing out on a score of great games out there.

The ultimate way to judge a game's merits are, "Is it fun?" There are several factors that will enhance a game's merits, one of the most important for me being story, but all the others fall flat on their face if the game itself is not fun.

Cryses is a great damn example. It's Goddamn gorgeous if your machine is capable of running it. But in all honesty, as far as gameplay goes it's just a generic shooter with nothing really special there. No real reason to play that game unless you want to test your hardware.

[The Dream Master]

Not sure how unpopular this one is, but what the fuck happened to the beat-em-up genre? That was pretty much THE genre in the 16-bit era, but then it died off rapidly after that. I remember Fighting Force...and uh, that's about it for the PS1, and hardly anything after that. It's like gamers started treating them like a red-headed stepchild or some shit, and I'm not sure why. I still get a lot of enjoyment out of walking down the street and beating the fuck out of some thugs with Mike Haggar in Final Fight.

[The Taff]

Not sure how unpopular this one is, but what the fuck happened to the beat-em-up genre? That was pretty much THE genre in the 16-bit era, but then it died off rapidly after that. I remember Fighting Force...and uh, that's about it for the PS1, and hardly anything after that. It's like gamers started treating them like a red-headed stepchild or some shit, and I'm not sure why. I still get a lot of enjoyment out of walking down the street and beating the fuck out of some thugs with Mike Haggar in Final Fight.

They are still out there, DM. You just need to look closer, as they have evolved in many ways into the adventure genre.

[FallOutGirl]

Tomb Raider AOD was one of the worst..the controls are awful and it, for me at least, has little to no replay value.

TR2 FTW.

[The Taff]

Tomb Raider AOD was one of the worst..the controls are awful and it, for me at least, has little to no replay value.

From what I understand, that's not an unpopular game opinion. In fact, I believe that is so unanimously believed that it could very well be fact at this point.

[The Dream Master]

They are still out there, DM. You just need to look closer, as they have evolved in many ways into the adventure genre.

Yeah, and there are also a fair amount of hack and slash games (for a while there, it seems like there was a new Dynasty Warriors out every month); I just wish there were some more straight up Final Fight-type games. I think they made one for the PS2, so I need to hunt that one down (even though I heard it sucked). Hell, I would settle for some more God of War type games, which was essentially a beat-em-up with a lot of cool innovations (I loved the boss battles in those two games).

[FallOutGirl]

From what I understand, that's not an unpopular game opinion. In fact, I believe that is so unanimously believed that it could very well be fact at this point.

Lol, unfortunately over at the tomb raider community they all love it...and dislike legend over it...

[Monkey]

Yeah, and there are also a fair amount of hack and slash games (for a while there, it seems like there was a new Dynasty Warriors out every month); I just wish there were some more straight up Final Fight-type games. I think they made one for the PS2, so I need to hunt that one down (even though I heard it sucked). Hell, I would settle for some more God of War type games, which was essentially a beat-em-up with a lot of cool innovations (I loved the boss battles in those two games).
I'm down with that. I loved Final Fight and similar games such as the arcade versions of TMNT and Ninja Gaiden. Streets of Rage, Rival Turf, and the grandaddy of them all: Double Dragon. I had an opportunity to buy the Double Dragon arcade game cabinet for $150... I just didn't have any way to transport it or a place to put it. The ports of that game never seem to do it justice.

http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/786/786923/double-dragon-20070509053011275.jpg
It's on X-Box live. Have to go pick it up...

[The Taff]

Hideo Kojima is a fucking hack writer.

[The Dream Master]

Rival Turf

Fuck yes, this was a boss beat-em-up. The box-art? Not so much. Check out these gangsters:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3f/Rival_Turf!_cover.jpg

[The Tall Man]

DM speaks the troof. How did they even think that looked remotely okay?

T.M., Esq.

[Brett H.]

Fuck yes, this was a boss beat-em-up. The box-art? Not so much. Check out these gangsters:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3f/Rival_Turf!_cover.jpg

I bought that shit for the cart art alone. The fact it was a beat 'em up was just icing on the fucking cake. Then the cart came in the mail and the label was kind of shit. Still fuckin' badass though.

(and I mean badass in the most terrible way possible)

[Scarecrow]

I hate the fucking people that bitch about what weapons and shit others use too. The only thing I hate is spawn camping and random grenades. And, I think they're valid to hate because they either really hinder gameplay or are really just some random luck. In Socom for PSP, you literally spawn and die because the spawn points are always the same and people literally lay on the ground behind them in wait. Random grenades, well, they're just dumb. Non-sniper camping I think is fucking lame too, but at least you can beat them. I still think it's a boring ass way to play the game, though, and isn't indicative of skill at all.

This. Exactly it.



- Scarecrow

[zach82]

I'm down with that. I loved Final Fight and similar games such as the arcade versions of TMNT and Ninja Gaiden. Streets of Rage, Rival Turf, and the grandaddy of them all: Double Dragon. I had an opportunity to buy the Double Dragon arcade game cabinet for $150... I just didn't have any way to transport it or a place to put it. The ports of that game never seem to do it justice.

150 bucks? Oh man, that would have made me cry. I woulda cut a hole in a wall to make room or something for that price :p

[Darth Sinister]

I hate people in multiplayer matches who complain about you using what's in the map to your advantage. If there's a rocket launcher there, anyone who obtains it is free to use it. If I'm sniping and find a good, defendable spot I'll stay there all damn day if I want. If there's a specific asset on the map that would be wise to deny to other players, I'll keep my scope trained on that area. It's called tactics. It's not my problem that my opponent can't figure out a way to migrate me from that position, or kill me when I'm sporting a boom tube.

If the game developer frowned on people using a specifric weapon, they wouldn't put that in the game. If they intended me to be moving at all times, they'de strap a bomb to my chest that would go off if I dipped under 50 MPH (Though that would be a really fucking funny gameplay mechanic.)

Pop quiz, hot shot. What do I want you to do? Answer: shut up, play the Goddamn game and get fucking better at it. There's no gentleman's fucking agreement on how you can and can't play. As long as you're playing within the bounds of the game's intended programming and not shooting through walls or firing missles out of a submachine gun, you're fine.

This is why if I had a current gen system, I wouldn't play online. I'd be too busy telling people to fuck off.

[The Taff]

This is going to be unpopular with only one person, but it only effects that one person.

Brett. Sorry, but with the amount of games you have and play...

You're a nerd!

http://www.frapstr.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/nerds.jpg

EMBRACE IT!

[Brett H.]

Yeah, but even Ogre enjoys a shitty beat 'em up, so it's ok.

Now, if I was playing Final Fantasy, I'd be that nerd dropped off the frat house.

[The Dream Master]

Oh, snap, Nate broke Ogre out. :X

[The Taff]

Yeah, but even Ogre enjoys a shitty beat 'em up, so it's ok.

Now, if I was playing Final Fantasy, I'd be that nerd dropped off the frat house.

It isn't the brand that makes you a nerd, it's the volume!

[Brett H.]

I've always been a horror or video game obsessive nerd type deal. It's that fuckin' Heroscape, comic book, LOTR, cartoon, Japanese and the like type shit that I can't stand. :X

I still stand by my statement that Ogre has broken many a Double Dragon arcade units in half while pissed up because he can't the two Abobos.

[TheShowstoppa]

You know what I hate: People who play video games so religiously that they think they're the "Kings" of that particular game. Then, when you get online to play - You wind up having to play with or against these tools and your enjoyment is destroyed by someone who kills everyone 50 times in under 5 minutes.

I can understand strategery. When my roomie and I play the horde in Gears 2, we always talk and try to strategically beat the levels so we can beat all 50 in one sitting. Doesn't always work, but still.

These people are the stereotypical ones that do nothing but play ONE GAME constantly until it's dead, or until the sequel comes out. Halo is a good example.

I play a game to beat the campaign and then the online are just a treat. It's more fun that way. :D

[The Taff]

You know what I hate: People who play video games so religiously that they think they're the "Kings" of that particular game. Then, when you get online to play - You wind up having to play with or against these tools and your enjoyment is destroyed by someone who kills everyone 50 times in under 5 minutes.

I can understand strategery. When my roomie and I play the horde in Gears 2, we always talk and try to strategically beat the levels so we can beat all 50 in one sitting. Doesn't always work, but still.

These people are the stereotypical ones that do nothing but play ONE GAME constantly until it's dead, or until the sequel comes out. Halo is a good example.

I play a game to beat the campaign and then the online are just a treat. It's more fun that way. :D

I've been shit stomped on more than one occasion in every multiplayer game I've ever played, and I've never had a problem with it. If someone is better than me they are better than me. If they want to gloat, whatever. I can always mute them if they get truly annoying. I just move on to the next game.

If someone wants to spend their time mastering a game, then that's their business.

[Monkey]

You know what I hate: People who play video games so religiously that they think they're the "Kings" of that particular game. Then, when you get online to play - You wind up having to play with or against these tools and your enjoyment is destroyed by someone who kills everyone 50 times in under 5 minutes.

I'm not too worried about being dominated. It's a chance to see what they're doing and learn from it, get better.

No matter how good you are at a particular game, there's always an eight-year-old who can kick your ass in it.

[Just Jeans]

Here are some to get me started:

Silent Hill Origins is one of the best games in the franchise.

Alone in the Dark: Inferno is a good game.

Halo is a mediocre franchise.

The RTS Warcraft games are far superior to World of Warcraft.

The American Super Mario Bros. 2 is better than Super Mario Bros. 3.

Super Adventure Island II is one of the best adventure games on the SNES.

Faxanadu is a superior RPG to Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest. Where's mah sequel or remake?

Persona 3: FES and Persona 4 are two of the best RPGs to be released on the PS2, both of which have excellent scripts, a nice blend of cultural ticks in the localization, and really solid voice acting.

Super Mario 64 was an awful, ponderous game, not this vaunted classic.

Substitute Ocarina of Time for Mario 64, and you've got my feelings about a supposed "classic" right there. That's not to say I hate the game, just that a single play through was well more than enough.

At least you could free rotate the camera in Mario 64. :X

Even if people don't like Halo, how can you not like the music?

The best thing about Halo is the soundtrack. It's a pity that doesn't carry over into the sequels, both of which have soundtracks I'm not terribly fond of. They're generic. Just like the games.

It was nothing incredibly new to the PC FPS crowd, but it was pretty much the second coming of Goldeneye for console players.

Only if you were into FPS games in general, which I wasn't. DOOM for the SNES was about the extent of my exposure to the format. Everyone and their mother went bat shit crazy for Goldeneye when it hit the N64, but I never paid it much mind, and the same thing happened when Halo came out.

I didn't really get into FPS games until I got the PS3, and while I like games like Resistance, they're about as good as Halo in terms of playability. Nothing much seems to have changed in the last six or eight years. Even BioShock, a game I genuinely enjoy, plays pretty much the same as every other FPS game.

The only FPS that's really impressed me recently is F.E.A.R. 2, and that's because it's more like DOOM in terms of atmosphere than DOOM III was.

Incidentally, it's not the first Halo that I think is overrated, per se, but the franchise as a whole. I recognize that the original game gave console players (well, Microsoft console players) a decent control scheme for an FPS, but each new game gets more hype than the last, and in spite of doing almost nothing new within the format. It's the futuristic sci-fi equivalent of Call of Duty.

I hate people in multiplayer matches who complain about you using what's in the map to your advantage.

Conversely, anyone who encourages their team to set up shop on the other team's spawn point ought to be shot out of a fucking canon. Into the sun. Metal Gear Online can turn into a nightmare if eight people set up a circle around your team's spawn point and simply wait for you to blip into existence and cap you in the head before you have a chance to aim your weapon.

Konami will actually ban spawn campers if you report them, so at least they're not entirely blind to the problem.

Still. I fucking hate spawn camping. Especially in MGO, because spawn campers can seriously affect your experience, even causing you to level down if you die too often.
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Now, if I was playing Final Fantasy, I'd be that nerd dropped off the frat house.

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[TheShowstoppa]

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I don't care who you are, I find this fucking hilarious only for the simple fact that they go as far as to calculate EVERYTHING and then get fucked over by someone charging. That's what I'd do.

People make that into much more than it is. Some people, like those disgustingly extreme gamers, make it into a lifestyle. I find it hilarious. I want to do that. Just because - I want to fuck someone's world up for a day.

There's my unpopular opinion for the day.

[jasonlives13]

Showstoppa if you like that, you'll love this.

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If you know what Ventrilo is, its basically where people who play on MMO games, its for co-ordinating attacks and planning strategies etc, but this program lets you hack into there servers and just talk shit to them, and watch how serious they take it.

I can't believe how mad the girl is getting, its really pathetic, but Duke breaks her down hahaha :lmao:

[Just Jeans]

I'd be pissed too, but probably for different reasons. Ventrilo accounts cost money and the information is given only to those who'll be using it. This isn't like going into AOL Chat and fucking with people. These people pay money for a private voice chat service precisely so they can avoid this sort of puerile nonsense. What gives someone the right to hack into that and start causing shit?

[Brett H.]

I fucking hate PC gamers. I'd like to Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back all those ball-lickers. They're so full of shit it's pitiful. Hang yourself with your fucking mouse. Snoogans.

[The Taff]

I fucking hate PC gamers. I'd like to Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back all those ball-lickers. They're so full of shit it's pitiful. Hang yourself with your fucking mouse. Snoogans.

Every console has thier obnoxious bastard fanboys, but honestly PC fanboys tend to have some of the worst by my experience. They act like they are the fucking glorious master race and console players are lowly, shit kicking peasants. Their deragatory little slur for people who play on consoles is "console tards" and they see them all as twitchy, moronic dipshits who can't understand the ever so complicated nuances of having a keyboard full of buttons.

I really fucking hate them beyond all others. Very few PC users are like that, but the true fanboys of the rig are fucking shit smears.

[The Tall Man]

The American Super Mario Bros. 2 is better than Super Mario Bros. 3.
Quoted for Troof.

But that's not to say that Mario 3 isn't all kinds of awesome. I mean.. Kuribo's Shoe should be in EVERY game (and more than just one level :shifty: )!

T.M., Esq.

[The Taff]

It could be that I'm just not nostalgic at all, but when I see and hear people raving about old games like on the NES I really don't get it. With all I see in current generations of game,s why a pixelated, simple batch of games get all the rage is beyond me. It doesn't offend me at all, but it's just something I don't understand.

What DOES offend me, however, is when I see the sales for all the virtual console downloads and compare it to quality Wii games that get released. When people blow that much scratch on long released games and completely ignore good third party games on the system like No More Heroes, Dead Space Extraction, Deadly Creatures, House of the Dead: Overkill, Madworld, etc. it really pisses me off. Current developers put a shit ton of work into these games, and when people don't buy them and instead spend money on older games it's a fucking travesty.

[The Dream Master]

What DOES offend me, however, is when I see the sales for all the virtual console downloads and compare it to quality Wii games that get released. When people blow that much scratch on long released games and completely ignore good third party games on the system like No More Heroes, Dead Space Extraction, Deadly Creatures, House of the Dead: Overkill, Madworld, etc. it really pisses me off. Current developers put a shit ton of work into these games, and when people don't buy them and instead spend money on older games it's a fucking travesty.

Capitalism, mang. ;)

I see where you're coming from, if only because I'd like to see Nintendo do well with third party developers. Obviously, that's not gonna happen if people don't buy the stuff. Can't say I'm doing extremely well on that front myself, as I only have 2 third party titles for the Wii. :X

As for NES games still getting a lot of love, I think a lot of it does have to do with nostalgia, but I think the really good games there have the quality of being simple and addictive. At least that's what I like about them.

[Just Jeans]

With all I see in current generations of game,s why a pixelated, simple batch of games get all the rage is beyond me.

You make it sound as though simplicity and sprites are somehow inferior to modern gaming simply because they're not complex and 3D.

Some games, for whatever reason, simply have staying power with some players. Soul Blazer will always be my favorite video game, and there are a lot of SNES games I would rather play than new games because they're simply gorgeous to look at. The art design has a lot to do with how I feel about games like Chrono Trigger and Super Metroid. A game need not be 3D or hyper-realistic to be beautiful.

That is why I like the look of the Punch Out remake so much. It's got the same basic gameplay, the same in-ring setup, but it's beautifully realized.

As far as NES games go, I think there's a limited number of games for the system that have that sort of staying power. For me, Faxanadu is an amazing game because it has a good soundtrack, new equipment actually changes how the on-screen character looks, and it's a pretty challenging side-scrolling hack-n-slash RPG.

Of course, having said that, I'd kill for a next-gen remake or sequel.

[The Taff]

You make it sound as though simplicity and sprites are somehow inferior to modern gaming simply because they're not complex and 3D.

Some games, for whatever reason, simply have staying power with some players. Soul Blazer will always be my favorite video game, and there are a lot of SNES games I would rather play than new games because they're simply gorgeous to look at. The art design has a lot to do with how I feel about games like Chrono Trigger and Super Metroid. A game need not be 3D or hyper-realistic to be beautiful.

That is why I like the look of the Punch Out remake so much. It's got the same basic gameplay, the same in-ring setup, but it's beautifully realized.

As far as NES games go, I think there's a limited number of games for the system that have that sort of staying power. For me, Faxanadu is an amazing game because it has a good soundtrack, new equipment actually changes how the on-screen character looks, and it's a pretty challenging side-scrolling hack-n-slash RPG.

Of course, having said that, I'd kill for a next-gen remake or sequel.

Considering I spent a post earlier in this thread saying graphics don't make fucking games, I'de say you misunderstood my post grossly, Jeans. I was refering to advancements and innovation in gameplay and storytelling, using pixels as a metaphor to refer to the age of the games, and was in no way dogging on graphics. Games have advanced leaps and bounds in interactivity, and older games just seem so...archaic compared to what's available. It's like wanting to use a tape player when you have an MP3 player available, and just doesn't make sense to me.

[Brett H.]

I don't think many games out there really improve on something like A Link to the Past or the like. The only thing that's really changed is the graphics and some obvious technical things that couldn't be done on older consoles. But, at the heart, the old games and the new art virtually the same to me. You're either jumping, discovering or shooting shit no matter which way you put it.

The thing about games back then is you played them for fun and for how cool they are whereas today people are all concerned about teh darkeness gritteyeness and realeism. It's disenchanting that the medium of video games can bring anything to life and people jerk off to completely unrealistic realistic war games. Castlevania is a prime example of a really tedious in a cheap way, flawed game that became a classic just 'cause in that era it was badass to beat up monsters. But there are certain games that are undeniable in their enjoyability and not liking them because they are old would be akin to not liking Nosferatu because there is no talking or Casablanca because it's in black and white. If anything, it's all about the art direction.

[Monkey]

As for NES games still getting a lot of love, I think a lot of it does have to do with nostalgia, but I think the really good games there have the quality of being simple and addictive. At least that's what I like about them.
I prefer the games of old for that very reason. They're simple, yet addictive and fun.

For games like Frogger, Ms. Pacman, Super Dodge Ball, Punchout, Golden Axe, etc., I still have as much fun playing those than anything coming out these days. I love dusting off those old NES, Genesis, & SNES games every once in awhile. It's the stuff I grew up with. Even some of the old Atari games get some love every now and then.

I prefer Final Fantasy 1 over Final Fantasy 12.
I'd rather play the arcade version of Ninja Gaiden over the X-Box/PS3 versions.
I just like the old games. Every time an arcade collection or old system compilation comes out, I buy it ASAP.

[TheShowstoppa]

I love my emulators for the fact that I can go and play those old games anytime I want - and trust me, I have a ton. 900+ NES games.

My only downfall - My old controller I bought for the computer isn't compatible with Windows 7. That's depressing in its own right.

[Monkey]

I've debated on whether or not to buy a controller for my laptop. I have a few hundred NES games on a thumb drive I got while I was in Iraq. It would be nice to play them when I'm on the road.

I'm envious of the people who can get MAME and download hundreds of games on their PC.
I'm sure I could do it, too, but I always seem to download a virus or spyware when I tried downloading.

I've seriously thought about buying one of those arcade stand-ups that contain 100-200 old arcade games, but I wouldn't have any place to put it. I would LOVE to be able to play the TMNT arcade game or Killer Instinct. But, I think I'd get tired of that shit real quick and then I have a big ass game cabinet I'd need to get rid of.

I've tried buying a Ms.Pac-man/Galaga cocktail table. But, I can't seem to find one at a good price. At the end of the day, there's something to be said about playing a game the way it was intended, something always seems to get lost during emulation; whether it's control, or the sound. It never seems to be right. I prefer to dust off my old NES than play my dreamcast emulation.

Now that downloading games on the consoles (Wii arcade, X-Box Live, etc.) has become popular, and they sell each game individually, I've noticed you can't seem to buy arcade compilations anymore. The Sonic Ultimate Genesis compilation is nice... I'd love to see an SNES compilation. It will be a cold day in hell when Nintendo decides to release a simliar version. Hell, just a few years ago they were selling Castlevania and the original Zelda for $20 EACH. Screw that.

[Darth Sinister]

Yeah, part of it is nostalgia. But part of it is simply that people who download those old games, love what they can get out of it. Simply put, they just love those games. Now, I don't know about how all of today's generation feels about them. Some might like them because they're different from what's being put out now and some will turn their noses up to it.

[The Taff]

Speaking of newer games: Halo, BioShock, and Resistance are all terribly over-rated. I mean I enjoy all three franchises, but the way people bang on about them is mind bending. None of them do much that hasn't been done before.

"Rated" is a subjective thing. I think Halo is great. Did it revolutionize the genre? Not really, but it certainly has (what I think) is a very interesting story and universe and it's gameplay is extremely well polished. Same with Bioshock.

I think Metal Gear Solid is very badly written and a convoluted nightmare on the narrative and gameplay fronts. Over-rated? Nope. There's no such thing as "over-rated" since this group "rating" is based on subjective opinion.

[Deathscythe]

The only Metal Gear Solid game I've played is 3: Subsistence on PS2, I never really got into it. Outside of the visuals it was just "meh" to me.

[Kat]

Other than some RPG's (Illusion of Gaia - Secret of Mana - Secret of Evermore and so on) retro gaming doesn't excite me.

[Darth Sinister]

Showstoppa if you like that, you'll love this.

IE3KdcTgrno

If you know what Ventrilo is, its basically where people who play on MMO games, its for co-ordinating attacks and planning strategies etc, but this program lets you hack into there servers and just talk shit to them, and watch how serious they take it.

I can't believe how mad the girl is getting, its really pathetic, but Duke breaks her down hahaha :lmao:

The sad part is that's fucking funny. The girl sounds like she's trying to be on "The Sopranos".

[idolone]

balls balls balls balls balls of steel. Hahahaha, too funny.

[Monkey]

Bioshock is boring.

Half-Life 2 is the best FPS game ever made.

Private LAN parties > Online.

[Kaseykockroach]

I hate Kingdom Hearts. Keep in mind, I love classic/vintage (whatever you wish to call it) Disney, and liked FF6. I dig Yoko Shimomura's work on the series, though.

Am the only one who likes to listen to video game music?

I've never cared for Halo, Metal Gear Solid or Legend of Zelda.

I don't care if my video game has a story or not. I just want to plug in and play. I'm similarly indifferent towards graphics.

[Just Jeans]

I've been listening to video game music for 15 years.

[Darth Sinister]

About the same for me, though I would say that I count listening to video game music both in the game itself and online.

[The Taff]

Am the only one who likes to listen to video game music?

My iPod only has video game related music on it.

People who judge the quality of a game exclusively on minutia are insane thought criminals. Actually, I think that perception carries over into everything for me.

[Biosynthnut v.2]

Modern warfare. I like the story. But every thing about cod after cod2 is painfully boring.

[The Taff]

Modern warfare. I like the story. But every thing about cod after cod2 is painfully boring.

I could not disagree with you more, bio.

Modern Warfare's story is garbage. :shifty:

[Biosynthnut v.2]

It's my guilty pleasure, kinda like Bruckhiemer flicks... except TF those were awful.

[Monkey]

I hate Kingdom Hearts. Keep in mind, I love classic/vintage (whatever you wish to call it) Disney, and liked FF6. I dig Yoko Shimomura's work on the series, though.
I hated Kingdom Hearts as well. Could only play it for about an hour and then... zzzzzzzz.

[Darth Sinister]

I don't know why people shit on "Final Fantasy IV" DS. So it doesn't like like VIII through XIV. Doesn't stop it from being a good game.

[Kat]

Final Fantasy 7 is highly overrated. 9 and X are the best two in the series.

[stefKat]

I'd rather play split-screen multiplayer than online multiplayer. I just enjoy more when I can physically be with the people I play against. Also, I can cheat by looking at their screen.

[Darth Sinister]

Final Fantasy 7 is highly overrated. 9 and X are the best two in the series.

It's interesting that I looked through a PS magazine the other day, while waiting for my flu shoot at the nearby CVS and they voted IX as a favorite over VII. Though I'll disagree with you and say IV and VI are the best.

[Just Jeans]

Yeah, mark me down as a Final Fantasy VI guy. Best game in the franchise by miles.

[Monkey]

Eh, my favorite is FF1... but the best is FF6. :)

[Just Jeans]

Every couple of months I boot up the Origins collection for the PS1, but I've never finished the first game. It looses steam after a couple of hours. I still haven't tried Final Fantasy II, as I hear the level up system is seriously whacked.

[Biosynthnut v.2]

Like all of them up to 7. 9 being a distant 2nd. But the rest eh.

And I am probably one of the few that think the next WoW expansion will be pretty cool.... Though if Star War Old Republic has a demo I may try it out.

[Just Jeans]

My entire WoW playing group is switching to The Old Republic in December, just based on the strength of BioWare's other games (Knights of the Old Republic, Dragon Age, Mass Effect, et cetera).

[Biosynthnut v.2]

If it does turn out as good as it could, I may venture again to the darkside. Sith Infiltrator ftw!

[Chex]

Every couple of months I boot up the Origins collection for the PS1, but I've never finished the first game. It looses steam after a couple of hours. I still haven't tried Final Fantasy II, as I hear the level up system is seriously whacked.

I think it's the first few hours that are a chore. It's not bad up until you get to Pravoka. Then there's this long, boring stretch until at least Melmond if not further on. Overall though, I enjoy it. At least enough to actually attempt solo games on the NES with, yes, even the worthless thief.

Final Fantasy II isn't near as bad as folks make it out to be. The leveling system is flawed big time, but it's not impossible. Quite the opposite, it's rather simple especially if you play the game normal and don't bother with the loops around the system. Only downside is that magic is going to level ungodly slow, but outside of a few spells you don't really need magic. It's a nice idea also having what your character's actions are affect their stats. They take damage, their stamina goes up. They avoid attacks, their evade goes up. They constantly use a weapon and their ability to strike more with it goes up.

[Just Jeans]

It sounds like the leveling system from The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion.

[Darth Sinister]

I think it's less that it was too hard and more they weren't used to it. Everyone in the US and UK who hadn't played FFII and were coming off of VI and VII, would think that. I don't blame Squaresoft for doing what other sequels of the time were doing, which was changing the game engine to keep it fresh.

[Monkey]

I think it's the first few hours that are a chore. It's not bad up until you get to Pravoka. Then there's this long, boring stretch until at least Melmond if not further on. Overall though, I enjoy it. At least enough to actually attempt solo games on the NES with, yes, even the worthless thief.

Final Fantasy II isn't near as bad as folks make it out to be. The leveling system is flawed big time, but it's not impossible. Quite the opposite, it's rather simple especially if you play the game normal and don't bother with the loops around the system. Only downside is that magic is going to level ungodly slow, but outside of a few spells you don't really need magic. It's a nice idea also having what your character's actions are affect their stats. They take damage, their stamina goes up. They avoid attacks, their evade goes up. They constantly use a weapon and their ability to strike more with it goes up.
I would agree with you on the FFI analogy. I've played through the game about a dozen times, and the beginning is a crawl. It helps if you go to the penninsula to the northeast of the second town (heh heh, I'm TERRIBLE with names). By the time you kill the first fiend, the game is halfway finished.

FFII... I could never get into that game. Leveling-up is a chore; and it reminds me of Oblivion. If only both games had a more traditional approach, I would have played the hell out of each of them.

[Chex]

I would agree with you on the FFI analogy. I've played through the game about a dozen times, and the beginning is a crawl. It helps if you go to the penninsula to the northeast of the second town (heh heh, I'm TERRIBLE with names). By the time you kill the first fiend, the game is halfway finished.

FFII... I could never get into that game. Leveling-up is a chore; and it reminds me of Oblivion. If only both games had a more traditional approach, I would have played the hell out of each of them.

Oh yeah, the "peninsula of power". Have someone with Fire2 and you're set.

You're right. Get through the Earth Orb section and you're about halfway. Some people skip that and go straight to the Ice Cave (the cheapest damn place ever for so many instant kill methods), get the Floater, raise the airship, perform the task of getting the Dragon's Tail and upgrade classes. If you're strong enough to do the upgrade, you're alright enough to go through the rest of the game.

On Final Fantasy II, if you hold out until you get the Swap spell, that'll cut off so much time leveling up. It swaps some stats like HP and such with a target so use it on the Goblins at the beginning, win the fight and you'll power up easy.

As for my unpopular opinion, I like Dragon Quest/Warrior II. So much that I would prefer it over the ever popular III. At least, as far as the NES incarnations go.

[The Taff]

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