Friday the 13th Jason's origin

[Utellme]

I read on the fr13th films website the prequel remake section on the site.And the writers directors producer etc are having trouble coming up with a way to do Jason's origin.What are some of your ideas maybe some of you all ready wrote a small story of this.Whats some ideas you have ? what can they do ? what shouldn't they do ?

[SmiTheReeNs*]

Utell mine are pretty much simple keep the plots from 1-7...disregard hideous JTM,JGTH and JX but the idea on his regeneration be tossed in..lots of gore and actually watching Jason butcher somebody! but we all know that will get cut off by the MPAA..what can they do? give us ol JV back! what shouldnt they do? ya see nowadays directors and such try to change forms of an original film im not really much of a fan..they want the films for the now meaning the younger crowd or the crowd that hasnt seen any past Friday the 13th films ..to me thats horrible! they should know that the old school heads are still around and want an improvement in what we seen from JTM to FvJ

[Utellme]

There was a person in this forum whoever it was that posted that in the fr 13th part 1 novel i think, that it said about Jason going to school.Maybe they could use this in the film showing how kids made fun of him etc.

I cant come up to many ideas here nor can the directors producers writers etc,but i think theres people in here that can.

[Autobotsdie]

I think that they should use that flashback from Freddy vs. Jason of when Jason was chased into the lake and the counsolers didn't save him.

[Utellme]

Yeah that sounds like a good idea

[Rich]

There was a person in this forum whoever it was that posted that in the fr 13th part 1 novel i think, that it said about Jason going to school.Maybe they could use this in the film showing how kids made fun of him etc.

I cant come up to many ideas here nor can the directors producers writers etc,but i think theres people in here that can.

That was me. They had a flashback scene of Jason in school in the Jason Lives novel. Honestly, I wouldn't like that. I think it is more fitting to see him be picked on at camp and just let Pamela home school him.

[CrazyCamper]

Hasn't it specifically been said in one of the films that she DID homeschool him? I thought so, but I might be dreaming it up, LOL! :D

[Ron]

Did it say he was homeschooled? Which film?

[Rich]

None of the films ever said he was home schooled. However, Ginny in Friday the 13th Part 2 said, "He never went to school, so he never had any friends..." while they were in the bar.

[sCabbOy]

Jason's origins should be simple. He should have been raised like most people with his handicaps are raised. Nothing more... if he was schooled maybe Mrs V home schooled him.

I'd just really hate it if they made a back story where Jason was evil, or even his mother for that reason. In my opinion neither were evil until Jason was thought to have drown. Even after that, I wouldn't consider Mrs V evil or even insane, just vengeful- just like Jason.

The "goind to school" bit was from the Part 2 novel, and that shouldn't be taken seriously. In that same novel it said that Jason was a normal kid, but gained his deformities underwater after he drown.

[Rich]

I'd just really hate it if they made a back story where Jason was evil

That was actually done in the Pamela's Story comic Vol. 2 They had Jason pinning little animals to a tree with knives.

My reaction was simply this: :rolleyes: "Whatever."

That story was just way too typical for me. I mean, my 5 year old nephew could have watched a couple of the movies and then wrote that story. That is how pathetic it was.

[NETRA]

Back-stories and explanations would take away some of the fun for me. I won't deny that I often question things like: Did Jason really drown as a boy? ETC. But just because I ask the questions does not give me a right to the answers. Frankly, we'd only be disappointed. It's like how we want so badly to know the secret to a magic trick but once it's explained to us it's a downer.

At least if they had a summit meeting between Sean. S. Cunningham, Victor Miller, Steve Miner and Ron Kurz to come up with a back-story, I might give it a chance. But for a bunch of people who had nothing to do with the earlier films taking it upon themselves to explain the "how" and "why" . . . No way! I hope they just leave it alone.

[M.I.A.]

I was pretty buzzed the other night, and while having a convo about the possible remake, I spent about 20 minutes writing a little treatment/outline on what I would do. Here it is:

The film starts with a young Jason being teased by older girls at the camp. They're telling him how ugly he is, and that he will never "score" with a chick in his life. One of the girls pulls his shorts down, and they all start laughing at the size of his dick. His mom enters the room, and the girls quickly leave. Jason's mom gives him the whole "women are evil" speech, and that she will always protect him.

We then get more scenes of Jason being bullied. He is constantly ridiculed for his looks. One day, while a bunch of the teen counselors are screwing, Jason is playing around in the water. He slips and goes into the deep area. He is screaming for help, but no one cares, and one couple screwing even make fun of his cries for help. The next day, Jason is missing and is of course presumed dead. His mother gets enraged, and kills two counselors. She is arrested and of course goes to prison. This infamous crime brings alot of stigma to the camp, and Crystal Lake is shut down.

Twenty Years Later:

Someone has bought the Crystal Lake Property, and has remodeled the camp. It even has a sports complex. We see a bunch of kids and counselors being bussed in to the camp. As everyone settles into the camp the first day, an old hobo walks up to the main counselor(an adult) and tells him/her that bringing these kids here is a big mistake, and that the world should just "leave the poor boy alone". While the counselor wants this hobo gone, he/she is intrigued, and is confused by the statement. She asks him to elaborate on what he means, and the hobo tells her a story almost too shocking to believe.......

He tells her about the story about Ms Voorhees and her son(which the counselor remembers hearing about), and then drops a bombshell:

The boy never died. While Jason was panicking, instead of drowning, he simply lost consciousness and floated to the other side of the lake, washing on to the shore.This hobo knows this, because he is the one who pulled Jason out of the water(he isn't just telling us this. We are seeing his story unfold onscreen). He takes Jason to his little camp site far out in the woods to help him recuperate a little. The next day, he tells Jason about the camp murders and his mom going to jail. Jason runs out into the woods, never to be seen again. The man feels sorry for the boy, and although he never tells authorities about Jason, he leaves him food and clothing in a certain spot in the woods every so often over the years. He never actually sees Jason again, although the food and clothing always gone shows that Jason, or someone, is taking the supplies.

The counselor finds this hard to believe, and tells the hobo to NOT tell anyone at the camp this story. The hobo leaves, and life at the camp resumes.

A couple days later, a terrified camper comes running to the head counselor saying that while she was in the woods, she saw a man with a sack on his head off in the distance. When the man saw her, he started walking towards her, but was too far away to reach her. The counselor remembers the hobo's story, and decides to go out in the woods alone to investigate. Walking through the woods he/she doesn't spot anything, but someone walks up behind him/her and wraps a rope around their neck. The victim never sees his/her killer, but we do.

Its not a 7 foot tall invincible zombie. It is a man under 6 foot tall, average build, old ragged clothes, and wearing a sack on his head.

It is Jason Voorhees.

With the head counselor now dead, this obviously opens up the Jason vs teen counselors scenario that is the bread and butter of the franchise. However, we're going to throw the audience for a loop with this remake.

Jason only kills teen girls.

He has a major complex as an adult from all the taunting he received by girls in his youth, and all his rage is directed at them, and he also blames them for his mom's prison sentence. As the rest of the movie unfolds, teen girls start disappearing from the camp. This turns the film into a partial "whodunit" type mystery, as it is girls only missing, and one of the guy counselors could be involved in the disappearances(remember, none of the counselors know about the "Jason survived' story).

When the camp finds out there is a maniac on the loose is when two counselors are having sex in their cabin. The guy gets out of bed to go to the bathroom, and when he comes back, he sees a man strangling his girlfriend to death. Jason runs when he sees him, but the girl is already dead when the guy tries to revive her. He yells for help, and this is when chaos ensues.

Jason was looking for a place to hide, and runs into the sports complex. He is walking through the locker rooms, and notices a hockey mask. He takes off the sack(no, we dont get to see his face), and puts on the hockey mask. He also puts on some new clothes. He then heads over to the cafeteria, and finds a long knife. Of course, he grabs it.


While the counselors and kids are frozen in terror without a clue as to what to do next, they decide to have a set of counselors stay in each cabin with the kids. The counselors decide that when the sun rises, they will all walk together as far as they can until they can reach help. As Jason is walking by the cabins, he hears girls talking in one of the cabins(obviously the girls cabin). In what will become known as the best(or worst) massacre in film history, Jason will viciously slaughter from 7 to 10 girls in the cabin with his knife. The kids screaming alerts the rest of the camp, but by the time the guys(and other kids) get there, Jason is gone and there is a crime scene that will haunt them all for the rest of their lives.

The surviving counselors(and the kids) immediately run away from the camp and start running down the road to take them away from there. We then see a shot of Jason standing on the shore of the lake with the bloody knife in his hand. He throws it into the lake and starts walking back to the woods.

The next scene is daytime, and we see the state police at the camp. They have cabins taped off with the yellow crime scene tape, and counselors crying telling them what and where things happened. We then get a camera shot of the woods, and we get a glimpse of the head counselor's body laying in the woods(hasn't been discovered yet).

Roll credits.




I'm not sure how the F13 fanbase would react to a film such as this, but it includes various elements of the franchise. The mother(although a minor role), a realistic Jason like in II(except even more realistic in this version), the introduction of the hockey mask, some great kills, and of course sex.

The sequel could be something like "First Blood"(the first Rambo film) where the state police are tracking Jason in the woods, or do something cheesy like have him break his mom out of prison.


The only way the film I described would work is if it is set in the 80's. Current technology like cell phones, the internet,etc. would not allow these people to be isolated long enough for these killings to take place. So it has to be set in either the 70's or 80's.

[Rick]

I always preferred the supernatural idea that Jason returned to life to seek revenge for his mother.
This animation, called Jason: The Rebirth, is the best representation I've seen of that idea, it was posted on the old board, here it is again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G94HQItH1Hc

[NETRA]

"women are evil" . . . Jason only kills teen girls

Not a fan of that idea. Limiting Jason to one gender would mean way too many male survivors in the end and no double impalement during sex. Heh. Besides, it changes the mythology too much for my personal taste. I don't think the back-story is broken so it requires no fixing or tweaking.

I'm noticing a trend among F13 fans when they write suggestions for the remake . . . Girls should be killed slowly and painfully (perhaps even tortured) while males are killed swiftly and painlessly or, in this case, not at all. Am I sensing multiple chips on multiple shoulders?

Let's not forget that Mrs. Voorhees' first kill was a BOY so she clearly thought they were as evil and as much to blame as the girls for Jason's death. No twist on that is required. She kills both. Jason kills both. They don't discriminate. Equal slashing.

As for his origin, I think showing too much would make it all too "real" and ruin the "campfire tale" element that the franchise maintained for so long. Campfire tales are never that detailed. Jason is scarier if he just IS.

[Rick]

That's the reason I like the Rebirth animation.
It is campfire-like.
I like the idea of Jason being pretty much the only supernatural thing in a regular world.
Just a little hint at the supernatural without going into detail adds a little spice IMO.

[NETRA]

Yeah, I suppose Part 2 hinted at the possibility of the supernatural. But there was never a flashback or anything to explain his origin. We just got theories. I like that! I fear giving definite answers would only satisfy a fraction of the fans anyway.

I liked the Rebirth animation a lot. It was even pretty creepy. But I don't know how I'd feel about such a scene (live action, of course) included in an F13 movie.

[Shoesalesman]

This may have been hinted at earlier, but I like the idea of Pamela and Jason being 'decent' people to begin with. When Jason drowns, Pamela becomes scorned, kills, gets decapitated, which makes Jason enraged...etc

Makes the descent into madness more real for both of them if they came from the opposite extreme.

[NETRA]

I like the idea of Pamela and Jason being 'decent' people to begin with. When Jason drowns, Pamela becomes scorned, kills, gets decapitated, which makes Jason enraged...

I agree completely. I always assumed Jason was just a mentally challenged boy. I wouldn't want to see flashbacks of him hurting animals or anything. I liked Ginny's descriptions of Mrs. Voorhees and Jason when she was talking to Paul and Ted in the bar in Part 2 . . .

"He must have seen the whole thing happen. He must have seen his mother get killed. And all just because she loved him. I mean, isn't that what her revenge was all about? Her sense of loss? Her rage over what she thought happened? He must be out there right now, crying for her return . . . Her resurrection."

That scene and Pauls campfire story says it all for me. I never really felt the need for further information. (And I love her description of Jason as "a child trapped in a man's body")

[Shoesalesman]

That scene and Pauls campfire story says it all for me. I never really felt the need for further information. (And I love her description of Jason as "a child trapped in a man's body")

Ted's description by pulling at his shirt and teasing her was better. ;)

I agree... part 2 has some great explanations of possible origins for Jason and mother.

[Autobotsdie]

I agree with a child trapped in a mans body. When you look at all of it you can see there were times where he acted like a child but all of a sudden that rage would kick in and he would kill. Its like he had a split personality and he didn't know how to control it. Its almost like Jason didn't know what was going on at times and all he knew he had to kill in order to subdo the anger inside.

[NETRA]

Ted's description by pulling at his shirt and teasing her was better.

:D That gets a laugh from me every time. And I've seen it too many times to count.

[Darth Sinister]

Yeah, I think having the two of them be normal people works better. It makes them more real.

[driftingsun]

I guess I like the way they explained it in partII as well, by just speculation and mythical legend. They should just keep that "nobody really knows what happened, but he's out there, somewhere" feeling going while occasionally giving out brief tidbits (but nothing that you can really connect together into a coherent and complete origin) to the audience, so they can speculate but never actually see the full events unfold in the film. I agree that seeing all the "answers" to the puzzle on the screen would lessen the impact for me, I prefer just to imagine different scenarios and discuss them on forums like this.