Texas Chainsaw Massacre [Archive]

Shoesalesman

07-30-2007, 02:19 AM

One of the best intros I've seen in horror. The flash of the camera and that weird sound each time. Now that's unsettling!

This movie scared the crap out of me the first time I saw it... and each time since.

If I had a top ten (which I do) it would be number four next to Night Of The Living Dead, PSYCHO, and Evil Dead

sCabbOy

07-30-2007, 03:20 AM

The camera sound was actually a tuning fork being struck and then rubbed against a piano wire.

Autobotsdie

07-30-2007, 03:55 AM

For some reason I like the remake better than the original. If I remember right the original was set in a mine shaft where as the remake was actually in a house. The remake makes better sence to me than the original because of that.

Rich

07-30-2007, 05:05 AM

The original film is such an awesome movie. The sequels are generic slasher movie sequels with no real story to tell. The remake was pretty good, especially for a remake.

The Next Generation is the absolute worst movie ever made, to me.

Joshg

07-30-2007, 06:33 AM

I too liked the remake more than the original, which was a first for me back then. I mean...remakes are supposed to suck!

Meh, the atmosphere in TCM is what I think of the atmosphere in Halloween. Not as spectacular as everyone makes it out to be. However, there are differences. I prefer Halloween, but in terms of atmosphere, I think that in some shots, TCM '74 is priceless! In others, it's so-so. I loved how they did the kills though. How you used your imagination to create the scenes. Very effective.

I'd give TCM '74 a 6.5 or a 7/10. Second best of the series, IMO.

And Autobotsdie, I think you're thinking of TCM 2, not the first, as that was in a mine shaft...or, underground carnival thingy. :P Haha

FreddyKR

07-30-2007, 06:34 AM

I thought the original was pretty disturbing...especially when the girl is in the house with the family and shes screaming for like a half hour while the grandpa sucks blood out of her finger I do like the remake though. Leatherface is one of my favorite horror characters.

Joshg

07-30-2007, 06:37 AM

Leatherface is a great horror icon.

And if someone doesn't like him "cuz he sucked in that movie" :D, just watch a different film, as he seems to change drastically throughout.

The best Leatherface was from the original, part 2, and part 4 IMO. Even if part 4 sucked! Hehe

CampNewBlood

07-30-2007, 08:25 AM

I love the original is a classic. The sequels are pretty good. I like both remake and prequel.

Chop-Top (Bill Mosely) in Chainsaw 2 was hilarious with his wire hanger.

"Li-i-i-ck my plate you dog dick!"

Lammert

07-30-2007, 02:01 PM

A great great horrorfilm!

I never liked Part 2 as a sequel. Part 3 was better, but was just an cliché 80's horror.
The remake and The Beginning were better, I especially like The Beginning(unrated).

Uncle Hugo

07-30-2007, 05:45 PM

My favorite horror movie of all time, I got up early in this morning, had some coffee and breakfast while watching it.

DRE

07-30-2007, 06:32 PM

Nothing beats the original TCM! In fact, I love them all except that damn Next Generation crap, my god that was a terrible movie.

The Original is untouchable!

Part 2 seems to get better with age.

Leatherface: TCM III is not as bad as people make it out to be, IMO. You can't go wrong with Viggo!

TCM:TNG is the worst movie I have ever seen. Makes Curse II: The Bite and House II: The Second Story look like The Two Towers!

TCM 03 is an effective remake. They did an admirable job with it.

TCM: The Beginning could have been worlds better!

Titan

07-31-2007, 01:51 AM

I just found part 3 last week so my collection is complete. Even though I still try to forget about TNG.

CanadianFonzie

07-31-2007, 04:46 AM

IMO, this movie didn't spawn any good sequels, part 2 I can definetally watch and enjoy, but it's like NOES parts 2 and 5, I don't think I'll ever buy them because they don't do that good enough of a job satisfying me, part 3 was pretty okay though, but the same goes for that one

now TCM: The Beginning, that was a great movie IMO

Shoesalesman

07-31-2007, 02:53 PM

The camera sound was actually a tuning fork being struck and then rubbed against a piano wire.

You see? That's just creepy. Produced a great sound though.

kramerfan

08-01-2007, 05:12 AM

Hey autobotsdi TCM 74 wasnt in a mine shaft.You must be thinking My Bloody Valentine.TCM 74 is in a house.

Joshg

08-01-2007, 07:39 AM

Hey autobotsdi TCM 74 wasnt in a mine shaft.You must be thinking My Bloody Valentine.TCM 74 is in a house.

No, I think he's thinking of TCM2. Well, maybe MBV, but I think he'd have asked questions beforehand about why there wasn't a chainsaw in sight.

TCM 2, I think looked enough like a mine shaft to be mistaken for one. Actually, maybe it really was one. :)

driftingsun

08-02-2007, 04:53 PM

TCM2 was definitely underground, underneath some kind of amusement park or something, but who knows how deep the tunnels went, maybe they connected with a mine shaft or something. The thing that made this one entertaining (aside from Leatherface expressing his pent-up sexuality with the tip of his chainsaw) was Dennis Hopper on a revenge kick. Back to the original, which I agree is one of the best horror films of all time. The camera-angles, the atmosphere, the hysteria of each of the victims, the 120-year old man (grandpa) that looks at first like he's dead, but then comes alive, the drunk guy lounging in the tire by the side of the road spewing prophetic garble, all contribute to a great film.

I saw this one for the first time about ten years ago, and I remember continuing to stare at the TV screen for a while after the movie was finished, in somewhat of a daze, as my mind attempted to process the extremely bizaare, horrifying, and fucked-up scenes in this film.

"Look what your brother did to the door!"

I guess when my uncle saw it when it first came out, he couldn't sleep for a month afterwards, it freaked him out so much (he grew up in rural, kind of farm-looking country, that was similar to the setting in TCM).

The remake wasn't bad, but not as good as the original, while the "Next Generation" with Matthew McConnaughey was definitely weird and good for a few laughs, but again, nowhere near as good as the original.

sCabbOy

08-02-2007, 05:04 PM

Yeah, Part 2 was def underground and I am sure the tunnels went forever. They did seem to be mine shafts.

The movie was shot in a warehouse though haha. They created the underground environment and the tunnels in it. Weird, huh?

Rich

08-02-2007, 10:40 PM

So many people seem to like The Beginning. I thought that movie sucked. It wasn't as bad as The Next Generation (I don't think anything is), but it was a very bad film to me. It was crappy story telling and shot seemingly by a camera man who had a little too much coffee before the shot. Also, the music was not great either. I don't like how they remixed the remake theme. If they just kept the remake theme as it was it would have been better.

MaDMaNMaRz

08-03-2007, 01:35 AM

I agree with you Rich. I didn't really care for The Beginning that much.

My rankings of the series:

TCM (1974)
TCM 2
TCM 3
TCM remake
The Beginning
The Next Generation

I love the first 3. The raw and gritty feel/look of the original TCM has never been topped. That film is one of a kind.

I still feel that TCM 2 is pretty underrated. Alot of people seem to give it shit. Maybe it's because of the black/dark humor in it.....I don't know. But I liked that element in it.

driftingsun

08-03-2007, 07:09 AM

I like the beginning of TCM2, when Leatherface buzzes the top of that guys head off, while in a moving vehicle to boot! That was some precision chainsaw-fu.

The 5th Golden Girl

08-03-2007, 08:13 AM

I was washing pots and pans the other day, and I started filling up some of the pots with water, clanging them against the faucet, and turning my wrist so the the water moved around a little. It created a sound very similar to the (I guess it's the) score (?) of the original TCM.

I kept doing it until my parents finally asked me why I kept doing that. It was pretty funny.

Erik

08-04-2007, 01:36 AM

now this movie, back in the day, scared the shit out of me, back when there wasn't that much horror movies like this in popular culture

Same with me. This and Last House on the Left both really freaked me out. The atmosphere and the viciousness of the two movies really had a lasting effect on me. Because of the low budget and the documentary-like feel, it just felt so real and so damn scary.

MaDMaNMaRz

08-27-2007, 03:45 AM

Same with me. This and Last House on the Left both really freaked me out. The atmosphere and the viciousness of the two movies really had a lasting effect on me. Because of the low budget and the documentary-like feel, it just felt so real and so damn scary.

I agree. The raw/gritty look definitely gives it a realistic feel. That's why I think TCM is one of the most unique horror films ever made. :)

girlychaos

08-27-2007, 05:14 AM

I watched the original again last night after a long time and it's pretty great. Some scenes are just bizarre and creepy, and that's what makes it so awesome IMO.

Rich

08-27-2007, 05:55 AM

Last House is another awesome movie. It is just so damn effective in what it goes for.

Jigsaw

08-27-2007, 09:18 PM

The original TCM is just okay IMO, nothing great. Same for TCM2. I like TCM3 quite a bit and will have to see it again sometime, but The Next Generation, ugh :X I have to say that the 2003 remake is my favorite of the series, I found it a lot more entertaining to watch than the original. The Beginning was alright but could've been better in parts.

Joshg

08-27-2007, 11:03 PM

The original TCM is just okay IMO

Yes!!! We think alike. ;)

I completely am oblivious to the fact that TCM is dubbed, "one of the greatest horror films ever". Uuuuhhhhhh, really? It was a "so-what?" type of flick, IMO.

But Leatherface sure did look great in '74.

Deathscythe

10-13-2007, 07:45 PM

Angry Nintendo Nerd reviews the TCM video game. (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/26199.html?e3i=1&type=mov)

Next up: Halloween!

sCabbOy

10-13-2007, 08:21 PM

Awesome as always.

Apocalypto

10-14-2007, 12:31 AM

The original wasn't really meant to be "entertaining," it was the film that basically gave birth to the documentary-like, put you right in the experience, uncompromising, in your face type of horror that hardcore genre buffs love so much today.

It doesn't even feel like a movie, rather like someone was just standing in the background filming the day that these people died.

There's also some great subtext about the butchers (humans) becoming the butchered pertaining to the way that we treat animals that's absent in Nispel's film, because he was remaking a film that he neither understood or was very passionate about.

The remake is good for what it is, but what it is is just a rather typical Hollywood slasher. TCM: TB came closest to capturing the visceral and raw feel of the original.

TCM 2 was a very fun horror/comedy, I like 3 even though it's essentially film only not as good, and I like Vilmer in TNG but they royally fucked up pretty much everything else.

Oh, and Leatherface being imobilized when he touches a bicycle...classic.:)
Great Bill Moseley impression in that video too.
His Nightmare and Friday videos are great too, can't wait for Halloween.

Rich

10-14-2007, 05:54 PM

Texas Chain Saw is just okay?! Are you guys serious? I feel sorry for this generation, and am embarressed to be a part of it the same. :misery:

sCabbOy

10-14-2007, 06:42 PM

Utellme

10-14-2007, 06:49 PM

Well people will have there opinions.Are they serious of course they are thats there opinion.As far as the generation just cause 2 people don't like it don't mean the whole generation don't.Embarressed don't be ,like what you like i like all the TCMS, F13TH'S ,NOES, and Halloweens .Even the ones that aren't so good i can get something out of them and sometimes different days different moods the not so good ones work for me.

TCM okay ? Id say great but thats my opinion

French Friday

10-14-2007, 07:10 PM

The original TCM was good. I wouldn't say great but it's simply because I never found any of the TCM movies great. I love these movies and the original is certainly the best, followed by the two remakes and Leatherface but there's always something lacking in these movies and I can't really say what it is.

I think TCM is an entertaining movie too, contrary to Last House on the Left. IMO, they are two very different movies. I watched Last House 3 times and I sold the DVD just after the third watching which was a fast forward watching in fact. Last House was a shock movie for a one-time watching. But it wasn't entertaining at all. Not really rewatchable IMO. There's no fun in Last House, so no reason to rewatch it.

TCM, on the other hand, is really entertaining with dark humor, genuine scary scenes, beautiful shots and is never really as shocking as Last House simply because Last House had "real" people doing the disgusting stuff (rape and murder) whereas in TCM, the saw family is so over-the-top they're just clowny and the movie is just a dark ride in a dark circus, a comparison I just found writing that post. You know, like the old TMP comics "Kiss : Psycho Circus".

I am in the camp of those who think TCM was a dark horror comedy.

Apocalypto

10-14-2007, 07:39 PM

Meh, I thought it felt like a movie and NOT a documentary. Maybe I am just used to the 16mm and shaky camera work. I also agree Rich, TCM is a great movie in every aspect. Maybe it doesn't look good to this generation because of the lack of CG, blood and WB stars but it doesn't mean it wasn't great.

And since it was a movie, I am quite sure the intention was to entertain people.

I was referring to everything about the film, from the interaction between the characters to the way it's shot to the locations...

and not every film is meant to entertain.
ADDED:
So many people seem to like The Beginning. I thought that movie sucked. It wasn't as bad as The Next Generation (I don't think anything is), but it was a very bad film to me. It was crappy story telling and shot seemingly by a camera man who had a little too much coffee before the shot. Also, the music was not great either. I don't like how they remixed the remake theme. If they just kept the remake theme as it was it would have been better.

I think the score was an improvement over the remake (which had a very generic, unimaginitive score), and I liked the combination of the handheld camera-work of the original and the lighting scheme from the remake which was a bit darker in The Beginning.

sCabbOy

10-14-2007, 07:45 PM

Joshg

10-14-2007, 09:13 PM

Texas Chain Saw is just okay?! Are you guys serious? I feel sorry for this generation, and am embarressed to be a part of it the same. :misery:

I think TCM is just okay. But that doesn't make me one of those people from today. The ones who think the 00's flicks are so much better, scarier, and awesome-er than before. My favorite Fridays are the first five, my favorite Nightmares are the first three, Halloween first few, and etc...Once in a while, a film comes along that is older, but not necessarily good. TCM is a pretty good flick, but not amazing in my eyes. There's no conspiracy behind someone not thinking the film is the best horror evvveeerrr! Some flicks are hits, and some are misses. According to you, it's great! To me, it's so-so, but more to the positive side. However, the flick is better than all of the sequels, and I think the prequel as well. That's MO, I'm smiles. ;) Hehe, we're not crazy, we just see it in a different light. Yep yep! :shy:

Apocalypto

10-14-2007, 09:21 PM

I think films are meant to entertain in some way or another... they want people to watch the movie. If it's the violence, sexuality, morals, comedy, or whatever it's all entertaining. Maybe I'm not understanding what you mean. I just don't buy into the fact that someone would make a movie with a purpose not to entertain the crowd. Even documentaries are entertaining.

Some films are meant to be fun, some films are meant to enlighten...not all films serve the same purpose.

I think Irreversible is a great film, but I certainly wouldn't describe it as fun or entertaining, the same applies to to TCM.

Kill Bill Volume 1 is vastly more entertaining than those films, but I don't think it's as good.

The Passion of the Christ is my favorite film of all time, but I certainly wouldn't describe it as an entertaining experience.
There are plenty of vastly more entertaining films that I don't think are nearly as good.

sCabbOy

10-14-2007, 09:31 PM

Yeah, but my point is that they ALL entertain. If a movie doesn't entertain, then why watch it? Humor, enlightenment, knowledge, learning, all can be in an entertaining movie. Perhaps I am missing what you are saying or someone is using "entertain" incorrectly. My definition is if you watch something you are being entertained.

Ah well.

As for opinions you have to ake everyone's into consideration. I can understand why some horror fans hate TCM. It's just not good to some people. However, I thought ALL of the sequels except for 4 was good. I thought the remake was good and the prequel was shitty.
As for opinions

Apocalypto

10-14-2007, 09:37 PM

I like all of the TCM's to some degree other than TNG, I think TB was an improvement on the remake.

Utellme

10-14-2007, 09:48 PM

I like all of the TCM's to some degree other than TNG, I think TB was an improvement on the remake.
Same goes for me to.

Rich

11-26-2007, 02:53 AM

I can understand why some horror fans hate TCM.

I can't.

It's just not good to some people

They must be smokin' the good stuff.

I mean, The Texas Chain Saw Massacre is like Halloween, The Exorcist, or Psycho. It is simply one of those movies that is simply one of the greatest horror movies ever made, and that is not even an opinion, but a simple fact of life.

Spade

11-26-2007, 03:51 AM

Rich

11-26-2007, 04:15 AM

I know technically it is opinion, but for god's sakes we are talking Texas Chain Saw Massacre. For a horror fan to say that movie is was greatness is like an action fan saying the same about Die Hard. It is one of those genre defining films.

Joe Strummer

11-27-2007, 01:34 AM

My favorite part in the whole movie is when that guy was walking around the house then all of a sudden Leatherface appears and wacks him with a hammer over the head. Then the guy falls down and his feet are twitching and Leatherface pulls him into a room and SLAMS this metal door shut. That freaked me the fuck out the first time I saw it and it remains one of my all time favorite horror movie moments. I did not see it comming. I figured Leatherface would come out and chase the guy around the house or something, but he flew in and stung like a fucking bee.

The chase scene was also great as well as the dinnertime screamfest. shit, this movie so good!

The Dream Master

11-28-2007, 08:48 AM

I can't.

They must be smokin' the good stuff.

I mean, The Texas Chain Saw Massacre is like Halloween, The Exorcist, or Psycho. It is simply one of those movies that is simply one of the greatest horror movies ever made, and that is not even an opinion, but a simple fact of life.

Well, I think there's a difference between liking or enjoying a film and admitting that it's a "good" film (whatever that means). I think you'll find very few horror fans out there who will say that TCM is a "bad" film technically, but there might be plenty who simply don't get much out of it. It's just one of those things.

Rich

11-28-2007, 04:56 PM

I loved the very opening scene with the photograph images and then the dead body art in the grave yard. I also love the scene when the girl finds the room full of bones and various things made out of bones and she gets caught, chased, and hooked. I remember the first time I saw this movie, I just thought it was damn awesome!

sCabbOy

11-28-2007, 06:48 PM

It will always be amatter of opinion. Same with Black Christmas, so many people think that movie is one of the ebst slashers ever and Ithink it's boring and close to shitty. I guess John Carpenter thinks the same from what he said about it- "Yeah, I watched Black Christmas in the theater and I remembered thinking to myself... 'this is the way NOT to make a horror film'"

Joshg

11-29-2007, 03:33 AM

I guess John Carpenter thinks the same from what he said about it- "Yeah, I watched Black Christmas in the theater and I remembered thinking to myself... 'this is the way NOT to make a horror film'"

Really? He thought that? Weird, since he basically made a rip-off of it with 'Halloween'. Ofcourse, what really counts as a rip-off in slasherdom? Hmm, hard to tell. Personally, I find Halloween more boring and shitty than BC. Umm...but, I'm getting too personal now. :D Haha, sorry.

Uhh, back to the topic. I think that TCM '74 is a fairly good film. I don't think it's excellent, and I don't enjoy it that much, but I admit it's not shit. It has something that was "kind of fresh" back then. I hail it for that. Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Black Christmas, Bay of Blood, those other gialli, Alice Sweet Alice, and movies are all first generation slashers that very nicely examine a formula not yet set-in-stone. I award a "trophy of past-freshness" to each and all. :angel: Yaaay,

The Dream Master

11-29-2007, 03:36 AM

Really? He thought that? Weird, since he basically made a rip-off of it with 'Halloween'.

If by "rip-off" you mean a film that is also based around a holiday and features some POV shots, but executed far, far better, then, yes, Halloween is a rip-off of BC. :)

Joshg

11-29-2007, 11:14 PM

If by "rip-off" you mean a film that is also based around a holiday and features some POV shots, but executed far, far better, then, yes, Halloween is a rip-off of BC. :)

"Rip-off" in horror films is a confusing term. I mean, F13 is not a rip-off of Halloween IMO. Hell, I don't even think Sorority House Massacre is. More so than F13, but...people borrow all the time, it's nothing bad. Personally, I don't think that Halloween is a big rip-off of BC, but more so than many other films after Halloween, being compared to it.

Oh, and by "rip-off" I mean a film that is also based around a holiday and features some POV shots, [but] executed far, far [worse, and omitting a dull feel], then, yes, Halloween is a rip-off of BC. :)

Hehe, I'm so mean lately. I blame it on the stress of school. :p Meh, or the thirst...soooo much thirst!

sCabbOy

11-29-2007, 11:54 PM

Bob Clark actually said that Carpenter and he had a discussion of a hypothetical Black Christmas sequel, and it would be about Billy escaping from a mental home and returning home on Halloween... and look what Carpenter made.

When Dead Pit asked Carpenter about this, this is when he said that about Black Christmas... and denied ever talking to Clark until he had made Halloween.

Chex

11-30-2007, 10:07 PM

Yeah, that conversation has pretty much been moved to "fact or fiction" in the horror genre. With Clark's passing, who knows if we'll ever get that settled or not.

Cody

03-13-2008, 06:25 PM

Teri "Pam" McMinn has finally decided to step out into the world. She'll be making convention appearances this year, and the guys at Deadpit (http://www.deadpit.com/) scored an interview with her for tomorrow's show.

Rich

03-13-2008, 11:30 PM

I don't think Halloween is a Black Christmas rip-off. I actually think BC is pretty crappy, but it is not in the same league as The Texas Chain Saw Massacre, which is a classic horror film. BC is a cult classic but not on the same level as TCM.

sCabbOy

03-14-2008, 08:04 PM

Black Christmas is crappy, what's funny is that Bob Clark said on Dead Pit that he thought Halloween was crappy. He said "I saw it in the theater and said to myself 'this is how you DON'T make a horror film'".

Fowlees

03-14-2008, 09:09 PM

Personally speaking i think Halloween and Black Christmas (origional) are two of the best horror films about

I can see why people may see H as a BC rip -off, but for me, i don't buy it.

sCabbOy

03-15-2008, 03:19 AM

I buy it, because it does seem that Halloween was Clark's idea that Carpenter ran away with. Is that a bad thing? Hell no.

Also, DeadPit.com has an interview with Teri McMinn from TCM, it was a great interview and it cleared up a lot of misconceptions with Teri hating the franchise, ignoring the movie and turning down interviews/cons because she had a distaste for the genre.

Violent VictiM

03-15-2008, 04:41 AM

I caught TCM on Cinemax when I was like, 14 and it scared the living shit out of me. To this day it's the only movie that gives me such a serious sense of atmosphere. I felt for that poor girl and the torture she was being put through. The remake captured that feel a little, but where it lacked in genuine feel it made up for in gore.

Fowlees

03-15-2008, 09:55 AM

TCM (the origional) is a wonderfully atmospheric film. A true classic.

It's basically 1 hour and 20mins of insanity. Fantastic stuff.
ADDED:
I buy it, because it does seem that Halloween was Clark's idea that Carpenter ran away with. Is that a bad thing? Hell no..

From what i've read this is what Bob Clark said , and not Carpenter. It seems to me that its a case of he said / she said (or he said / he said in this instance).

It's hard for me to form an opinion when you've got two conflicting stories, and i don't know the two protaganists involved that well.

Clark might be telling the truth , but then it could be a case of sour grapes.

I guess we'll never know for sure Scab.:(

MaDMaNMaRz

03-18-2008, 10:57 PM

I'd agree with scab about Black Christmas. I always thought it was really overrated, and pretty boring overall. I only watch it once around Christmas time, because it does have a great atmosphere.

sCabbOy

03-19-2008, 09:40 PM

TCM (the origional) is a wonderfully atmospheric film. A true classic.

It's basically 1 hour and 20mins of insanity. Fantastic stuff.
ADDED:

From what i've read this is what Bob Clark said , and not Carpenter. It seems to me that its a case of he said / she said (or he said / he said in this instance).

It's hard for me to form an opinion when you've got two conflicting stories, and i don't know the two protaganists involved that well.

Clark might be telling the truth , but then it could be a case of sour grapes.

I guess we'll never know for sure Scab.:(

You can hear Bob Clark saying it vocally on DeadPit.com, not sure which episode but it should be there to DL. They also have Carpenter interviewed and he claims he never met Clark until after Halloween was released, which seems fishy.

Fowlees

03-20-2008, 09:45 PM

I'd agree with scab about Black Christmas. I always thought it was really overrated, and pretty boring overall. I only watch it once around Christmas time, because it does have a great atmosphere.

I thought Black Christmas was in your top 5 horror films , Marz?

Or have i got it wrong?

MaDMaNMaRz

03-20-2008, 10:08 PM

Nah, I wouldn't place BC in my top 5. Personally, I woudn't put it on any top list. I just never liked it as much as everyone else does.

nottidelterrore

03-21-2008, 01:58 AM

I still haven't seen Black Christmas.

Utellme

03-21-2008, 02:06 AM

I still haven't seen Black Christmas.
Your not missing much IMO. The worst TCM blows BC totally away imo.BC is very overated there are so many other better films Halloweens ,TCM'S,NOES,F13th's,Hellraisers,Prince of Darkness,Clockwork Orange,The town that dreaded sundown,Monster Dog i could go on forever i think you get my point.

nickmeece

03-21-2008, 02:06 AM

I buy it, because it does seem that Halloween was Clark's idea that Carpenter ran away with. Is that a bad thing? Hell no.

I personally don't think Clark could have executed a Halloween-themed movie as well as Carpenter did. Clark's tea was Christmas movies...especially A Christmas Story -- now THAT has atmosphere! LOL.

The Dream Master

03-21-2008, 02:11 AM

The worst TCM blows BC totally away imo.

Have you seen TCM: The Next Generation? :D

Anyway, as far as Black Christmas goes, I give it alot of credit for doing alot of things right, but I still think Halloween was better executed by far. Whether or not Carpenter "ripped off" Black Christmas is irrelevant because it's just a kernal of an idea (a slasher themed around a holiday). In the hands of anyone other than Carpenter, Halloween would not be the film it is.

nottidelterrore

03-21-2008, 02:19 AM

I have a soft spot for TCM: The Next Generation.....as terrible as it is. I don't know. I just enjoy it sometimes. I used to watch it on cable all the time back when I was a teenager.

I do want to give Black Christmas a watch sometime though.

Utellme

03-21-2008, 02:21 AM

Have you seen TCM: The Next Generation? Yeah DM i own it and thats the TCM i was referring to.Atleast this movie had some pace to it and sucked.Whereas BC has a pace that is in quick sand and sucks IMO.

In the hands of anyone other than Carpenter, Halloween would not be the film it is

As far as Halloween stealing from BC i did not see anything boring enough in Halloween to see any similarity's. What about if Wes Craven or Sean Cunningham made Halloween and it was the same exact film ?

The Dream Master

03-21-2008, 02:28 AM

Well, I can tell you for certain that Cunningham's Halloween wouldn't have been nearly the film Carpenter's is. As for Craven...I guess it depends what kind of year he was having. The man has made so much crap that I shudder to think what Halloween would have been like in his hands.

The bottom line is this: there is only one Carpenter, and no one would have been able to make Halloween like he did.

nottidelterrore

03-21-2008, 06:24 AM

The bottom line is this: there is only one Carpenter, and no one would have been able to make Halloween like he did.

Truer words haven't been spoken, my friend.

Fowlees

03-21-2008, 01:44 PM

Your not missing much IMO. The worst TCM blows BC totally away imo.BC is very overated there are so many other better films Halloweens ,TCM'S,NOES,F13th's,Hellraisers,Prince of Darkness,Clockwork Orange,The town that dreaded sundown,Monster Dog i could go on forever i think you get my point.

I completely disagree. Although not as good as Halloween, which is probably the best horror around, Black Christmas is itself an excellent film made in a similarly suspenseful mould to Carpenters masterpiece.

Also,as for "Prince of Darkness" being a better film than BC.......C'mon man, be serious.

If horror movies are your thing then you MUST see Black Christmas ('74).

The Dream Master

03-21-2008, 07:07 PM

I actually prefer Prince of Darkness to Black Christmas, but that's really not an indication of the latter's quality. Prince of Darkness is an outstanding, underrated film. I don't see why it's so forgotten when it comes to Carpenter's films.

Fowlees

03-21-2008, 07:16 PM

i don't know about that. i've only seen it a couple of times but i was never blown away by it personally.

It certainly has got great atmosphere to it and it does draw you in, but i'd say it's one of Carpenters middle of the road to weaker efforts, compared to the likes of Halloween, The Thing, The Fog, Christine, Escape from New York, Assault on Precinct 13 etc.

But as Dalton said in Roadhouse...."opinions vary!"

Utellme

03-21-2008, 08:59 PM

Also,as for "Prince of Darkness" being a better film than BC.......C'mon man, be serious.

I am serious BC don't even come close to Prince of Darkness let alone comparing it to Halloween.

Fowlees

03-21-2008, 10:29 PM

Also,as for "Prince of Darkness" being a better film than BC.......C'mon man, be serious.

I am serious BC don't even come close to Prince of Darkness let alone comparing it to Halloween.

I know you are serious.But this is just your opinion isn't it. If you read my post i said that BC wasn't as good as Halloween.

What i said was that i thought BC was an excellent film in itself and certainly superior to Prince of Darkness. That is my opinion.

I must say that your previous post lost you some credibility when you stated that the worst of the TCM films was still better than BC....So you'd stand by the statement that TCM : The next generation is a better film than BC would you?!

TCM: TNG is a better film that BC the re-make though...i'll give you that Utellme.

Heh heh!

Oh well, as i said before...opinions vary (and there's no accounting for taste!).

Utellme

03-21-2008, 11:24 PM

Fowlees

03-22-2008, 10:46 AM

Yeah its all good Fow no hard feelings we all have our opinions.

I guess the reason im so hard on this film is cause ive heard so many people go crazy about BC and with all that i was expecting to see a masterpiece.And the original and remake put me to sleep.

Another film i heard so many good things about was The Burning but unlike BC it delivered for me.

No your quite right mate. Sometimes you do hear people go crazy about a film , then you go to see it expecting a masterpiece and are obviously let down as not many films can live up to that sort of hype.

It was different for me cos when i first saw it i was expecting a piece of crap, so my expectations were extremely low. Obviously i was pleasantly surprised.

The Burning is certainly a film that delivers isn't it. Gotta love Glazer.

No hard feelings at all mate. The world would be a very dull and boring place if we all liked the same things.

Anyway, its good to have a bit of a debate about our likes and dislikes and understand why people like things which maybe we don't. I mean, hell, lifes all about growing as human beings isn't it.....(wow! that was a bit deep coming from me...ha ha)

blood bath

03-23-2008, 04:16 PM

the Original will always be the best with Leatherface-Part 3 behind it.

sCabbOy

03-23-2008, 04:50 PM

TCM3 is so underrated in my book. I am happy to see a lot of people like it.

TalbotLives

03-24-2008, 01:43 AM

TCM3 is so underrated in my book. I am happy to see a lot of people like it.

I really like TCM3 too...none of the sequels are a patch on the original, but Leatherface is still a gritty, nasty little horror flick...plus it's got Ken Foree, which gives it instant cool points in my book.

Utellme

03-24-2008, 02:00 AM

Never did understand why TCM 3 did not do better at the box office. Its was only the 3rd installment of the series.It wasn't like it was part 7 then i could maybe understand.

Another thing is about this movie it is so underated while part 2 gets a little overated.

Patrick

03-24-2008, 07:07 AM

MaDMaNMaRz

03-24-2008, 11:16 PM

TCM3 is so underrated in my book. I am happy to see a lot of people like it.

It really is underrated, I agree. I always thought alot of people hated it...but it seems alot of people do actually enjoy it.

I love the soundtrack for it as well.

sCabbOy

03-25-2008, 12:41 AM

I liked Part 3 but, I hated the way Leatherface looked. That long shaggy hair was just unecessary to me. I liked the curly afro lookin hair that was in the original and Part 2. It looked creepier to me than that long hair.

That's just because RA used his own hair, much like Gunnar and Bill Johnson/Bob Elmore. I didn't like the curly fro in 2 much... I dunno... It was too funny.

MaDMaNMaRz

03-26-2008, 03:59 AM

I always thought his hair looked funny in 2 as well. I imagine it was a wig? Or was it his real hair? :lol:

sCabbOy

03-26-2008, 04:51 AM

No, haha it was his real hair too. In the BTS footage on the new TCM2 disc you see Bill without the Leatherface mask and his hair is a fro. I imagine when Bob Elmore did his leather face scenes (which was about half) he wore a wig to match Bill's hair.

MaDMaNMaRz

03-26-2008, 04:53 AM

LOL! That's some funky hair

I still only have the barebones TCM 2 DVD. I need to get that new one.

Rich

03-30-2008, 04:20 AM

Chainsaw 3 wasn't a bad slasher film, but that character in that movie was just not Leatherface. First off, he walked like Jason Voorhees. Then he drove a truck. To me, that is just not Leatherface. To me, Leatherface is an apron wearing running fat mentally challenged guy with a chainsaw. Leatherface does not drive trucks and blast heavy metal music, I'm sorry.

As a slasher film in general though, Chainsaw 3 was the best sequel up until the remake was released.

As far as the Black Xmas versus Prince of Darkness debate, I think POD is a much better movie then BC. I have always thought BC was crap, and frankly do not understand why horror fans love it so much (same with The Burning).

Utellme

04-02-2008, 02:17 AM

Well there was a Jason connection with this movie Kane Hodder and i think John Beuchler was involved also.

As for it being the best sequel until the remake thats not saying much cause 2 was ah ok and 4 was awfull.But none the less you are correct.

As for the POD VS BC im not gonna go there i don't want to beat a dead horse or make anyone mad.But i will say this much The Burning is not a bad film not great but not bad.

Scarecrow

04-02-2008, 08:49 AM

Patrick

04-02-2008, 10:06 AM

TCM2 is a great as an over the top descent into madness, a black comedy of grotesques but as a sequel to the harrowing original its lacking. TCM3 makes a decent horror-slasher with a great cast but otherwise this franchise has never really felt like a series of films so much as variations on a theme.

- Scarecrow

That's true. The original series have always seemed like standalone films. Everyone of them. They are all just kinda out there...on their own...somewhere.

Part 1 is a very dark toned film (which I love for this type of movie).
Part 2 is comedy/horror/insanity.
Part 3 is just weird. (To me)
Part 4 is.....I don't even know what Part 4 is. Divine meets Leatherface.

sCabbOy

04-02-2008, 06:51 PM

I'm not sure if theres a stand-alone thread about this, but Grandpa from part 2 passed away recently from Cancer. He was still pretty young (he was a young man in make up). Sad news.

Rich

04-07-2008, 07:12 AM

That is sad news. I remember Grandpa in Chainsaw 2 when he threw the hammer and hit the wrong person with it. That was funny. I don't know if the same actor played him in part 2, but I liked that scene in the movie.

I think Chain Saw's strength is it's set decoration, plus the way it was filmed. It has that reality feel to it which has been said for decades. I am so in love with the set decoration though. I loved all the things made out of bones in the house. I loved the room with all the bones. That is one thing that really disappointed me about the remake. Where were all the things made out of body parts? Where was the room with the chicken in the cage hung over all the bones on the floor?

Scarecrow

04-07-2008, 08:34 AM

Indeed, it was a shame not to see such weird imagery... IIRC the sequels generally didn't go as far as the original either.

- Scarecrow

skuppy

04-08-2008, 01:42 AM

TCM3's setting always bothered me. It didn't feel like Texas (and it wasn't either). I've always thought it was decent, but have to be in the mood to watch it, same deal with TCM2.

Utellme

04-08-2008, 02:46 AM

TCM3's setting always bothered me. It didn't feel like Texas (and it wasn't either). I've always thought it was decent, but have to be in the mood to watch it, same deal with TCM2.
Same for me it just looks so LA and not Texas .

WestinHillsDays

04-08-2008, 03:17 AM

The original TCM (1974) only had one true sequel, which is part 2.

That said, I regard all of the remaining TCM movies as remakes.

Utellme

04-08-2008, 03:29 AM

I have TCM 4 next generation coming but i got the vhs version called the return of the TCM.
Its suppose to have about a min of extra footage.

Deathscythe

04-08-2008, 03:36 AM

You know, I think one day I might actually give Chainsaw 4 a watch...or not.

El Rooto

04-08-2008, 04:35 AM

I've been considering it, but I don't think I will.

Jigsaw

04-08-2008, 04:39 AM

If you haven't seen TCM4, DON'T! I beg of you.

Deathscythe

04-08-2008, 04:42 AM

If you haven't seen TCM4, DON'T! I beg of you.

Yeah, I think I was going with the latter on that.

Jigsaw

04-08-2008, 04:43 AM

If I could get back the time I last when I saw TCM4...

WestinHillsDays

04-08-2008, 04:55 AM

I don't know what is with the hate towards TCM4. It is a good movie!!

skuppy

04-08-2008, 05:07 AM

TCM4 is great, for comedy. Don't expect it to be scary or anything remotely similar to the other TCM films. More of a parody if you will. However, Matthew McConaughey plays a great, extremely over the top villain. Watch it for him alone.

Jigsaw

04-08-2008, 05:08 AM

Vilmer was the only worthwhile thing about TCM4, IMO. He's an awesome villain, and it's a damn shame he was wasted in an otherwise putrid movie.

nottidelterrore

04-08-2008, 06:44 AM

TCM 4 is a huge piece of shit but I can sit through it. I've seen much worse.

Jigsaw

04-08-2008, 06:50 AM

I'd rather play Russian Roulette than watch TCM4 again :X

Scarecrow

04-08-2008, 08:22 AM

My Universiteies cult film archive has a copy of The Return of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre which is apaprently a very different cut. i intend to grab it sometimes and compare... it could be better but then it could hardly be much worse...

- Scarecrow

skuppy

04-08-2008, 09:02 AM

Utellme

04-08-2008, 10:12 PM

So which dvd can i get that has the most extra ? And where ?

God of Thunder

04-08-2008, 11:19 PM

My favorite TCM is actually Leatherface: Texas Chainsaw Massacre III. It had some of the cooler kills of the movie, a creepy atmosphere, good acting, and a badass heavy metal score. As for which is better of the first 2, that's a pretty big tie. But my favorite is definitely 3. I watched TCM 4 a long time ago, but I fell asleep in the final few minutes, woke up right before it ended, and I don't have any intentions of rewatching it. The remake was pretty cool, I remember going to see it in theatres. It's one of the very few remakes that wasn't horrendous.

skuppy

04-09-2008, 12:59 AM

So which dvd can i get that has the most extra ? And where ?

You referring to part 4? If so, here's what I have and can give details on:

both R1

US: Columbia pictures - widescreen / full screen transfers. 87 minutes. Includes trailer and some text related extras. Very good quality transfer.

Canada: Lions Gate - full screen only, however it is open matte. 93 minutes. Text related extras only (bios). Transfer is below Columbia's disc. Still decent though.

I say go with the Columbia disc. It has better V/A quality. Even though it's shorter, you're really not missing much. I like alternate versions, so its cool to have both. Too bad neither had any decent extras. Oddly enough, E!'s True Hollywood Story on TCM included some behind the scenes footage from TCM4!

Utellme

04-09-2008, 01:25 AM

nottidelterrore

04-09-2008, 01:51 AM

skuppy

04-09-2008, 02:02 AM

Thanks Skup As of now i have the U.S Columbia Tristar dvd 94 minutes.

I just won a VHS version called The Return of the TCM hoping it has some extra minutes in it ? Do you know ?

Also where can i buy a copy of the Canada version ?

Yeah i seen brief parts of that Hollywood story i wish i could get that footage but its never on TV anymore.And since this movie did not do well we will never get a dvd with any extras.

The US DVD time is a misprint. It's only 87 minutes.

That VHS is probably the same as the Canadian DVD except title (heck, it's probably a VHS copy of the Japanese LD). You can probably find the LG dvd on ebay or perhaps amazon.ca. However, it features the SAME cover as the original Columbia DVD, so beware of that.

If you're interested in a copy of that THS, PM me.

Scarecrow

04-09-2008, 08:05 AM

I think it's the same cut as the one on the Lions Gate canadian DVD. Its 6 minutes longer and contains some different music cues / sound efx. However the Lions Gate DVD has the TNG title rather than Return. Yes, I do own two DVDs of that movie! :D

I wouldn't know. All I know is that it's an early cut that was given to the archive by the director himself and is supposedly very different in a number of ways. I'll check it out and report back. :p

- Scarecrow

driftingsun

04-10-2008, 03:50 AM

Although it's not my favourite entry in the series, I really like TCM III.

The original is the most straight-up frightening, in my opinion. It really gets the viewer into the victim's perspective (particularly at the end) and the sensory-overload from being exposed to such freakish circumstances. One of my favorite parts is where the gas-station owner (I forgot his name) comes back to the farmhouse with the surviving girl, and shouts-"Look what your brother did to the door!!", I don't know why I like that line, it just seemed like a funny thing for a psychotic murderer/cannibal to say to his psychotic murderer family member.

El Rooto

04-10-2008, 04:38 AM

Even psychotic murderers need their doors intact.

The original is quite the mindfuck when you first watch it.

Fowlees

04-12-2008, 06:28 PM

The original is quite the mindfuck when you first watch it.

Agreed......its 80mins of complete insanity. Great film. A real classic.

Scarecrow

04-13-2008, 08:45 AM

Especially when you see it on a cinema screen with surround sound... the screaming just bypasses your ears and goes straight into your subconsious and twists around it.... superb.

- Scarecrow

kramerfan

04-13-2008, 01:30 PM

This is the only great TCM to me.

Utellme

04-16-2008, 04:23 AM

The US DVD time is a misprint. It's only 87 minutes.

That VHS is probably the same as the Canadian DVD except title (heck, it's probably a VHS copy of the Japanese LD). You can probably find the LG dvd on ebay or perhaps amazon.ca. However, it features the SAME cover as the original Columbia DVD, so beware of that.

If you're interested in a copy of that THS, PM me.
It says in my TCM Companion book the following for TCM 4.

Japan version includes--Jenny applying lipstick and looking in the mirror,followed by extra sequence of her stepfather entering her room and sexually menacing her.This scene, lasting 1:07. Also includes 3 extra seconds of people walking toward a house,a few extra frames of Vilmer getting into his car.Other than that couple of sequences have been reordered in all 3 versions UK.Japan,U.S.

skuppy

04-16-2008, 05:48 AM

Those are in the Canadian LG disc.

Utellme

04-18-2008, 01:54 AM

http://www.angryalien.com/0605/txchainsawbuns.asp

Anyone ever see this ? If its old news sorry

Scarecrow

04-18-2008, 09:04 AM

Man, I remember them! genius. :D

- Scarecrow

Utellme

04-19-2008, 12:33 AM

Is that genius remark coming from the hockey thread ? LOL

Utellme

04-24-2008, 02:03 AM

Just got done watching TCM 4 This movie is freaking twisted Matthew McConnaughey as Vilmer is funny as hell.His brother W.E his brother all ways saying those different quotes is funny also.Renee Zellweger good performance.

I all ways use to hate this installment but it has grown on me i actually like it alot between the twisted characters and humor this film is different thats for sure.

Skup this message is for you cause i think we are the only 2 here that can tolerate this movie.

zombie extra 3

06-23-2008, 08:38 AM

I just watched (some) of Leatherface: TCM 3. The soundtrack was really heavy and rocking. It had Death Angel and Laaz Rockit (Laaz Rockit's track - Leatherface was awesome).

Ken Foree rocked in it (he rocks in everything he does though). The ending was messed up but I read that they decided Foree's character should live after he gained favorable ratings from test screenings.

MaDMaNMaRz

06-23-2008, 07:46 PM

Laaz Rockit are great.....really good old school bay area thrash. Frightmare did a cover of Leatherface that kicks ass.

God of Thunder

06-23-2008, 09:12 PM

That soundtrack is one of the many reasons why TCM 3 is my favorite installment. Plus it's got "Methods of Madness" by Obsession. And I thought Sleepaway Camp 3 was the only horror film to use that one! Man, Obsession were a kick ass band, too bad they never got popular...

Scarecrow

06-24-2008, 08:15 AM

I liked the little girl and the matriarch of the family, was a nice twist on things that I thought worked well. The remake hinted at it but then the prequel shifted away, making the 'Sheriff' the main guy which i thought was a shame.

- Scarecrow

Chex

09-10-2008, 07:27 AM

For Region 2 folks, another version entitled Seriously Ultimate Edition will be released on November 3rd:

http://www.zavvi.co.uk/texas+chainsaw+massacre-The-Texas-Chain-Saw-Mas%20sacre-Seriously-Ultimate-Edition/878055/q.r10.1/p.jsf

DISC ONE
High Definition transfer from the 16mm camera originals
5.1 English and 2.0 Stereo Surround Soundtracks
Digitally Remastered Original Mono Soundtrack
Feature-length commentary with actors Marilyn Burns,
Paul A. Partain, Allen Danziger, and art director Robert A. Burns
Feature-length commentary with director Tobe Hooper,
cinematographer Daniel Pearl and actor Gunnar Hansen

DISC TWO
‘Off The Hook’ an interview with Teri McMinn
Interview with production manager Ron Bozman
‘The Shocking Truth’ documentary
A tour of the TCSM house with Gunnar Hansen
‘The Shocking Truth’ Outtakes

DISC THREE
‘Flesh Wounds’ documentary
Interview with director Tobe Hooper
Interview with writer Kim Henkel
Deleted Scenes, Alternative Footage and Outtakes
Trailers, TV and Radio Spots
Stills, Posters and Lobby Cards Gallery

Just gotta love that name.

Rich

09-14-2008, 08:06 PM

I can't believe it is called Seriously Ultimate Edition! That is hysterical! I am happy with my two disc digitally cleaned up edition of Texas Chainsaw. I will not buy another.

MaDMaNMaRz

09-15-2008, 07:01 AM

I feel like the only one that doesn't have the 2 Disc Ultimate Edition. :(

JVM

09-15-2008, 07:03 AM

Seriously Ultimate Edition?

What's next, Seriously Totally Orgasmic Edition?

Scarecrow

09-15-2008, 09:11 AM

I'm happy with the edition I have, The Shocking Truth is as much behidn the scenes info as I need.

- Scarecrow

The Dream Master

09-15-2008, 10:44 PM

I feel like the only one that doesn't have the 2 Disc Ultimate Edition. :(

It's a great disc, minus the audio flubs. Miles better than that awful Pioneer version that was out there for a while.

Ron

09-16-2008, 01:16 AM

It's a great disc, minus the audio flubs. Miles better than that awful Pioneer version that was out there for a while.

Is this the one with the tin? If so, it's the one that I have and it's great.

The Dream Master

09-16-2008, 01:17 AM

Yeah, the two disc from Dark Sky is in a tin-like packaging.

Utellme

09-26-2008, 02:24 AM

Yeah, the two disc from Dark Sky is in a tin-like packaging.

I have the Ultimate edition and A family portrait revisited dvds and i like them both.

skuppy

10-14-2008, 05:18 AM

Attention all in Southern Indiana and Northern Kentucky:

Oct 24 - 26, the Georgetown, IN Drive-in will be having their annual Halloween horror fest and this year they are showing the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre!! They will also be showing Quarantine and The Strangers. Apparently John Dugan (grandpa from tcm) will be their signing autographs for free! Not sure what days he will be there though. More info at:
http://www.georgetowndrivein.com/

Jason_Legend

10-17-2008, 06:07 AM

I like every entry to a degree. III may be my favorite of the series. Which is strange, because hardly anything jumps out in my head, when I think of it, or talk about it. It's like there's nothing hugely memorable about it, but it's the most enjoyable one to watch for me, strangely.

Utellme

11-06-2008, 02:54 PM

Thats cool i like part 3 alot also.

My TCM rankings 1,3,Remake,Beginning,4,2

Don of the Dead

11-27-2008, 10:10 PM

Texas Chainsaw Massacre 1 and 2 are classics.
Part 3 is pretty good.
Part 4 rapes my eyes and ears with a salted demon cock.
Re-makes are "meh" at best.

Ron

11-28-2008, 12:11 AM

The remakes were good for what they were...remakes.

TheLoStboY199

11-28-2008, 06:26 AM

Meh, I only liked a few things in the remakes (ex. the scene where the guy is running through the laundry sheets with leatherface chasing him) but overall I thought they severely lacked in just about everything. I did happen to like seeing Jessica Biel get down in the dirt like that!

Scarecrow

11-28-2008, 11:29 AM

The remakes aren't even that unique anyway. if anything I respect them more for being honest. Other than Part 2 this series is fractured, unrelated and are all pretty much remakes anyway.

- Scarecrow

Ron

11-28-2008, 01:54 PM

That's an excellent point. "The Next Generation" tried to be a remake and failed at it miserably.

Lammert

11-29-2008, 03:52 PM

Where can I get the uncut Chainsaw 4?

Utellme

11-29-2008, 08:00 PM

Theres a person here who has it PM me and ill tell you.

WestinHillsDays

11-29-2008, 10:10 PM

Where can I get the uncut Chainsaw 4?

I have it on VHS. Nothing special. As far as I can remember, the only deleted scene is one in which Jenny is mollested by her stepfather. Why they deleted that scene is beyond my comprehension; I am guessing they probably wanted to make the movie shorter.

I particularly think TCM: TNB is a decent entry and also the most underrated movie of the series. My perception of the generalized hate towards the movie is that people dislike seeing Leatherface depicted as a woman (sexism, perhaps?). Also, they fail to understand the mysterious tone that Henkel intended to give to the ending: there is a suggestion that the family might be connected with the government or some powerful agency, but there is no explanation whatsover on how they might be connected. It rests ultimately to the viewer to imagine what might be behind the legend of Leatherface. Unfortunately, people like to have all of the details meticulously explained to them (ie. Leatherface having a skin disease and being bullied at school) and generally dislike movies which leave questions unanswered.

Ron

11-30-2008, 01:11 AM

I didn't care about any of that stuff...I just thought the movie sucked. I like movies that a lot of other people think are crappy though, so I respect you opinion of the movie nevertheless:)

sCabbOy

11-30-2008, 01:14 AM

I thought the movie (Part 4) was too messy. It started good and after a while became a huge clusterfuck of confusion.

WestinHillsDays

11-30-2008, 01:30 AM

The only thing I thought confusing was that they did not explain how Heather escaped from Leatherface.

Everything else in the movie, for me, was fine -- including the "X-files" ending.

Scarecrow

11-30-2008, 10:51 AM

I have access to an alternative workprint, just been too busy to watch it. may finally rectify that though!

- Scarecrow

Lammert

11-30-2008, 05:32 PM

You're from the UK, do you have it on VHS or DVD?

Rich

12-04-2008, 07:18 AM

Texas Chainsaw 4 was the absolute worst pile of chunk I have ever seen in my life. I do not even own it. That is how bad it is, and I own some bad movies. I have movies like Bog, Critters 1 and 2, Return to Sleepaway Camp, the Leprechaun box set, and even Batman & Robin...but I do not own Texas Chainsaw 4. That movie makes some of the others I just mentioned look like 5 star classics.

DrSpengler

12-04-2008, 06:46 PM

Just reviewed the original "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" (http://pellecreepy.blogspot.com/2008/12/texas-chainsaw-massacre-1974.html).

Anyhow, in regards to "The Next Generation"....yeah, it is without a doubt the worst installment in the series.

Just about the only thing I appreciate about that film is that it took the effort to explain away some of the continuity errors between "Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2" and "Leatherface". Granted, some of those explanations were tremendously lame, like the "international fear syndicate", but still. At least now we know who the hell W.E. Sawyer was, how Sally died at the hospital and have something of an explanation as to how Leatherface and Grandpa hooked up with all those different families.

I own the film, but mostly because I'm a consumer whor-..."completionist" and it was on sale for $4.99. I'll have to get around to reviewing it one of these days, then I can be content in knowing I'll never have to watch it again.

WestinHillsDays

12-06-2008, 12:29 AM

Texas Chainsaw Massacre (1974) and Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Next Generation = Marginal movies.

HiCkMaN!

12-06-2008, 03:13 AM

re-watched the original other day since i had not watched it for awhile, man i love that movie lol parts 2 and 3 are ok but i hate the 4th, the remake was boring and Beginning was fun to watch

Rich

12-06-2008, 05:48 PM

Texas Chainsaw Massacre (1974) and Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Next Generation = Marginal movies.

What does that mean?

killingvector

12-14-2008, 05:50 AM

Utellme

07-09-2009, 11:51 PM

This comes out in September on Blu Ray along with the TCM 03 Blu Ray.

And a DVD with TCM 03 and The Beginning on 1 DVD.

Ron

08-30-2009, 05:03 PM

The first film was definitley the best, IMO. I actually consider it to be one of the top 5 creepiest films I have ever seen.

Rich

08-30-2009, 07:00 PM

I'm with you Pete. The first film was definitely THE best of the series. However, I still find Parts 2, 3, and remake to be very good. When I first saw the prequel I was not pleased with it, but it grew on me. I like it a little more now, but not much. The Next Generation I refuse to even own. I don't want it stinking up my film library.

Ron

08-30-2009, 07:11 PM

If I wasn't such a completist I wouldn't own The Next Generation either.

Rich

08-30-2009, 07:33 PM

I AM a completist and I still don't own it. I must admit though, it is going to be hard to not own Zombieween II just for being a part of the (sniff sniff) Halloween franchise. :cry:

Ron

08-30-2009, 09:42 PM

I will definitley buy Halloween II when it comes to dvd.

Utellme

08-31-2009, 12:08 AM

I will definitley buy Halloween II when it comes to dvd.

I will also.

Fowlees

08-31-2009, 07:10 PM

I will also.

i will not

sCabbOy

09-01-2009, 12:23 AM

Hard to debate that TCM74 was easily the best of the franchise, IMO.

I will watch almost any horror movie once- I did not like RZs H2, but I will get it on DVD since it had some really good shots in it, and I liked Michael and how he was portrayed.

Rich

09-10-2009, 07:12 PM

Rob's Halloween II started out awesome! It was classic Halloween, until Laurie woke up and Michael was really just a homeless guy with a beard getting beaten up by drunks who he had mistook for a white horse.

Far as Chainsaw Massacrem I'm with Scab. It is hard to debate against the original being the best in the series. The film was ground greaking and revolutionary in the genre. The sequels, like most sequels, were just marketing the character.

Chainsaw Massacre 2 and 3 were both fun films. Part 2 was a dark comedy while Part 3 wa more of a serious slasher film. The remake was absolutely amazing.

The weak links in the franchise are The Next Generation aka The Return of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre and The Beginning.

Ron

09-10-2009, 09:53 PM

Very well put, Rich. I totally agree with that:)

Jason_Legend

10-02-2009, 01:42 PM

I think The Next Generation is a decent, bizarre black comedy. I like the goofy dialogue between the teens in the first act. I like how weird and goofy the Darla character is. Leatherface is pretty funny. Vilmer is awesome. The last act is pure weirdness. It's not that special or anything. I can totally understand people hating it, but I have a strange soft spot for it.

Sean [The Wildcard]

10-20-2009, 10:34 PM

Was really bored earlier today, and wanted to watch a movie. I couldn't think of anything in particular on my DVD rack, so I decided to watch 'The Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Beginning." It still has its flaws, but I still enjoy it...it being a prequel to the remake and all. TCM03 was a drag.

I feel that if they took all of the visceral moments from 'The Beginning' and put them into TCM03 that it would have been a lot better.

I'm still having a hard time trying to forget 'TCM: The Next Generation,' though. :duh:

Nothing will beat the original (1974), though.:D

Rich

10-21-2009, 09:06 AM

I will definitley buy Halloween II when it comes to dvd.

I will also.

You guys realize that you really don't have to buy Rob Zombie's Halloween II when it comes out, don't you? I mean, there are less expensive costers for your beer bottles on the market.

What I think is so great about TCM2 is that it's a tongue in cheek movie, but still is more than serious to be carried on as a horror movie with impact. I thought Jim Siedow really showed humor in TCM74 and basically had some of the best one-liners in TCM2. Siedow pretty much carried TCM2 as far as I am concerned.

I just think TCM2 is cheesy fun, yet still a good horror movie. Besides TCM3 this had THE most memorable characters in a TCM movie.

Jim Siedow was awesome in both films! "Look what your brother did to the door!" "You damn fool, you ruined the door!" "Where's that old fuck you Charlie!?"

I think The Next Generation is a decent, bizarre black comedy. I like the goofy dialogue between the teens in the first act. I like how weird and goofy the Darla character is. Leatherface is pretty funny. Vilmer is awesome. The last act is pure weirdness. It's not that special or anything. I can totally understand people hating it, but I have a strange soft spot for it.

I draw the line with Leatherface in a dress and panty hoes. That's just me though.

Ron

10-23-2009, 01:10 AM

You guys realize that you really don't have to buy Rob Zombie's Halloween II when it comes out, don't you? I mean, there are less expensive costers for your beer bottles on the market.

I'm looking forward to the features on the dvd man. Say what you want about Zombie, but I love his 'making of' docs.

sCabbOy

10-23-2009, 02:35 AM

I will do what I did with the Halloween SE and that's wait for it to go into the $5 bin... then at least I was ripped of $5.

Rich

12-28-2009, 04:32 PM

Right now you can get the original Chainsaw Dark Sky 2 disc edition for $5 at Walmart.

Ron

12-28-2009, 10:42 PM

You're right Rich. I also saw it in the 5 dollar bin at Best Buy.

sCabbOy

12-29-2009, 07:52 PM

You can get the DSF 2 disc set on Bluray for $10.99 on Amazon as well.

Not bad!

Ron

12-30-2009, 03:19 PM

Damn, that's dirt cheap!

Deathscythe

03-19-2011, 01:44 AM

So I rewatched the original last night.

A great film...until the end. What the hell was up with that black guy getting out of the car, knocking Leatherface down with a rock/stone, and then running away?:eek: Also, Sally lost so much blood I actually think that she probably would have died shortly after the movie ended up anyways.

kramerfan

03-19-2011, 04:01 AM

Didnt the truck driver hit him with a wrench?

Deathscythe

03-19-2011, 05:45 AM

Looked like a rock to me, but it could have been wrench. o_0

The opening to TCM2 confirms Sally lived, but I don't think I could have lost that much blood and survive.

Cody

03-19-2011, 07:17 PM

What the hell was up with that black guy getting out of the car, knocking Leatherface down with a rock/stone, and then running away?:eek:

A wrench it was, and that guy's awesome. He's still running today, he's never stopped. Understandably.

kramerfan

03-19-2011, 07:29 PM

Yeah cause when he hits him the chainsaw falls on his leg.

God of Thunder

03-22-2011, 10:36 AM

I still say that Leatherface is the best of the series....

SlasherFreak

03-27-2011, 03:32 PM

I still say that Leatherface is the best of the series....

Definitely agree. Haha, I have the Uncut, the workprint, the workprint composite, and the dailies.

MaDMaNMaRz

03-28-2011, 03:35 AM

On a filmmaking level, the original is still the greatest. But TCM 2 has always been my favorite. I loved the inclusion of black comedy, more gore, and Dennis Hopper! As a kid, it was my all-time favorite movie for YEARS. I still love it, but I definitely don't consider it my favorite nowadays...that honor goes to Fulci's classic City of the Living Dead.

Deathscythe

04-01-2011, 03:11 AM

Just saw Part 3 for the first time.

I really enjoyed it. The dark atmosphere was great, as was all the Ken Foree action. I consider the HALLOWEEN 4 of the TCM series in where I find it enjoyable despite being somewhat of a rehash of the original.

TCM2 and TCM3 worked for me, now TCM4...I've heard nothing but bad things about it.