Heroes (canceled)

[DrLar]

I can't wait for season 2...

In the meantime reading the novels... latest one: Betty
(the ugly LOL)

Nice storyline and I was saying could she be Candice? then at the very end: She is! OMG! I wonder who will cast as her if she ever converts back to ther original self

[On a Pale Horse]

I am wondering who the the big villain will be. Remember the little "locator" girl said there was a guy worse than Sylar.

[Killa Pimp]

I am wondering who the the big villain will be. Remember the little "locater" girl said there was a guy worse than Sylar.

Yeah I'm wondering that myself too...
It would seem that someone with Peter's power that was evil would be kinda cool and lead up to some interesting action sequences.
Anyway:
I hope this person gives them the opportunity to have a better season finale.

The 2 episode build up before the finale was 100 times better than the season finale itself.:cry:

[Mr. Undertaker]

I love this show.... still waiting for next season..... BTW
The guy who plays DL (the one who can pass through walls).....isn't the same guy who played one of the aliens who came for kal-el on Smallville's 5th season premier?

[girlychaos]

I love this show.... still waiting for next season..... BTW
The guy who plays DL (the one who can pass through walls).....isn't the same guy who played one of the aliens who came for kal-el on Smallville's 5th season premier?

Hey...I was just thinking that...was it him though?? I'm not sure.

[DrLar]

This show gathered together Star Trek and Doctor Who fans, (which I'm both!)...

Star Trek's Sulu and Movie villain
Doctor Who's Doctor and Movie Master.

And this is for starters, who can say they will bring more..

[Killa Pimp]

Some more season 2:

http://www.syfyportal.com/news423998.html

[Just Jeans]

I was just on my way to post that.

For those of you who don't want to clicky the link:

And you thought Sylar was a mean bad guy!

According to Tim Kring, the main creative force behind the NBC show "Heroes," new villains are on the way that may make you forget Sylar.

Talking about the show's upcoming second season, Kring told reporters in a recent interview, "We're doing 11 episodes in a row that start on Monday, Sept. 24. And somewhere in that run of episodes we're going to introduce a very scary villain."

If you thought brain-eating, power-absorbing Sylar was fearsome, Kring said he may seem "tame" by comparison.

In fact, clues have already been laid for at least one of the new baddies.

"At the end of last season we gave in the season finale a premonition of someone who is a very scary villain out there, who has invaded the dreams and nightmares of this character on our show named Molly Walker, who can locate people just by thinking about them," Kring said. "We teased the idea that there was another villain out there. And the audience can expect to see him somewhere in the first run of episodes."

"Heroes" flies into new episodes starting Monday, Sept. 24, at 9 p.m.

[Just Jeans]

Nichelle Nichols comes to Heroes. (http://www.syfyportal.com/news424040.html)

George Takei won't be the only "Star Trek" alumnus on the hit NBC show "Heroes" this fall. Fellow Enterprise crewmember Nichelle Nichols, who played Uhura, will appear for five or six episodes during the series' sophomore season, according to Trek Movie Report.

This all explains what Tim King, the program's creator and executive producer, meant when he recently told E! Online he was looking "for another face that will have a very similar impact" on fans as Takei's casting did.

A star from another Trek incarnation has already joined next year's cast. Dominic Keating, who played Malcolm Reed on "Star Trek: Enterprise," will be an Irish mob boss during several episodes of the 2007-2008 season.

However, the Star Trek/"Heroes" link flows both ways, as shown by the recent hiring of Zachary Quinto, who plays Sylar, as the young Spock in the upcoming "Star Trek XI" motion picture.

Now word is out that If he has his way, James Kyson Lee, who plays non-powered Ando (Hiro's friend), is actively seeking to follow in Takei's footsteps and wants to play a young Hikaru Sulu in the movie.

"Star Trek XI" is set to release on Dec. 25, 2008, while "Heroes" returns to the NBC Monday night line-up at 9 p.m. on Sept. 24.

[DrLar]

Yay! more ST stuff added (I think they forgot the ST Generation villain Mr. Linderman).

Now, add more Doctor Who stuff, bring on Billie Piper!

[Just Jeans]

Billie Piper apparently just recently got over a case of temporary blindness (http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2007150003-2007360954,00.html). :X I'm not sure she'll be working abroad any time soon, sadly, though I would love to see her in Heroes.

The article does make mention of Billie's new drama, Secret Diary Of A Callgirl, in which I've been told she's doing full frontal nudity.

[Just Jeans]

Claire Will Test Her Limits On ‘Heroes’ (http://www.syfyportal.com/news424042.html)

Just because the cheerleader was saved and the world along with her doesn’t mean we’ve seen the last of pom-poms and mini-skirts on “Heroes.”

According to SciFi Wire, when the series returns in the fall the show will not only see Claire (Hayden Panettiere) trying to re-claim the normality she left behind after the truth of her superhuman abilities were revealed.

In the new season, Claire and her entire family have gone into hiding in the hopes of returning to their normal lives. But can an invincible girl ever have a normal life? Nothing will stop Claire from trying, and at the same time she will also begin pushing her abilities to the extreme in order to establish just how far she can really go … creating some rather gory moments that may surprise some viewers.

"I think this season she's really looking to figure out more about her powers,” Panettiere said. “More about what she can do, how far she can push it, what happens when she does it. And there's still some unanswered questions for her about her ability, how far her pain tolerance can go or if she can actually die if something happens."

Although there is nothing ordinary about her character, Panettiere sees her role on the series as a vessel to explore the complex feelings and experiences of teenagers worldwide, and the second season will see more of that journey.

"Teens are constantly trying to push their parents away," she said. "They're constantly trying to test the limits of their freedom and how far they can push things. And that's sort of the same thing with Claire. She's just doing it in a different way, ... not to go to the mall with her friends [but] more to learn more about herself and this ability and what she can do. I think in that way it's definitely a teenage universal message. All teenagers will understand that one. But I think that'll still continue to be a battle for her until she's an adult, and even then, her dad's going to want to protect her."

“Heroes” returns on Sept. 24 on NBC.

[Just Jeans]

'Lost' Loses, But 'Heroes' Wins Kristen Bell (http://www.syfyportal.com/news424064.html)

The following story contains MAJOR SPOILERS for the upcoming fourth season of "Heroes".

She won't move to Hawaii, but the former star of "Veronica Mars" is ready to find out if she wants to be a superhero.

Kristen Bell is joining the NBC hit series "Heroes" in what is being described as a "key multi-episode arc" for the upcoming second season. The news was so great that TV Guide's Matt Webb Mitovich actually worked a squee into his headline.

Bell will play Elle beginning in October, a "sexy, mysterious young lady who has tied to the supposed death of Peter, HRG's past and Claire's future," according to Variety.

Getting Bell -- who just did a high-profile turn-down of a role in ABC's "Lost" -- was not easy, according to "Heroes" showrunner Tim Kring.

"But since we're an ensemble show, with many arcs playing out through the year, we found a way to jump into a small window in [Bell's] schedule."

Fans of the former UPN and The CW show star were all excited when Bell was reported to be taking on a role with "Lost," a report that was shot down just three days later when it became clear that Bell was not interested in spending more than a vacation in Hawaii where "Lost" is filmed.

And just to show how quickly the world of television moves, all of this has happened in a matter of weeks.

"Heroes" returns this fall on NBC.

[Jack Bauer]

I been watching some of the Heroes reruns on Sci-Fi since it's on between wrestling and 24 but the only complain I really have is why can't they get Claire to have something else. I mean her brother has like dozens of superpowers so why can't she have another power or least a special training like martial arts or brawling. Other then that complain I like show and can't wait for Season 2.

[Toejam]

I been watching some of the Heroes reruns on Sci-Fi since it's on between wrestling and 24 but the only complain I really have is why can't they get Claire to have something else. I mean her brother has like dozens of superpowers so why can't she have another power or least a special training like martial arts or brawling. Other then that complain I like show and can't wait for Season 2.

Peter (who really ony has one power; he can mimic others powers) is her Uncle, not her brother.
I don't want Claire to turn into Wolverine, I like her as a "normal kid" who just happens to have a healing power. I'm sure she will eventually learn to fight, but season 1 happened in like a 6 week period, way to short for her to realistically train to become a good fighter and try to live a normal life.

and
Kristen Bell = :D

[Jack Bauer]

I just that's what happens when I start from the latter part of series, D'oh!

[DrLar]

Well Claire uses her invicibility power to fight, like that time with the football guy, she crashed the car severly injuring him and her walking unscratched, she could do most of this stunts vs. her enemies, she doesn't really needs martial arts or something, just be a bit smart

[sickboy]

season 1 happened in like a 6 week period, way to short for her to realistically train to become a good fighter and try to live a normal life.

and
Kristen Bell = :D


You mean like Hiro going from zero to master swordsman?

[jayTL]

Well when you ca stop time, anything can happen. It may have taken place in about 6 weeks, but it could have taken Hiro months, maybe a year or so from premire to finale

[Just Jeans]

I don't think Hiro became a master swordsman in any case. Surely that's the whole point of sending him back in time to meet Kensei? So that he can truly master the sword. He and his father could have trained for any amount of time -- that's one of the up shots of Hiro being able to freeze time -- but he certainly didn't fight like a master swordsman when he met Sylar.

The plot outlines for Episode 1 and 2 of series 2 are out:

2x01: "Four Months Later"
The season premiere picks up four months after the May finale. The Bennets have relocated to a new town in California, where Claire is going to school again. Claire has a new boyfriend in Season Two, and is trying to get back to being a normal teenager -- including sneaking out at night. Hiro will be stuck in feudal Japan for several episodes. There he meets his childhood hero, Takezo Kensei (new series regular David Anders). Sylar survived the altercation in the season finale. Actor Zachary Quinto will be a series regular in Season Two. New villains will come to the fore early in the second season, especially one (alluded to by Molly Walker in the season finale) who is much, much worse than Sylar.

2x02: "Lizards"
A new brother-sister hero duo will be introduced: Maya (new series regular Dania Ramirez) and Alejandro (Shalim Ortiz). The two are from Central America, and their powers are said to be integrally connected. Another new face will be introduced in this episode: Monica, a beautiful African American in her late 20s who cares most for the people around her.

You know, I've got a feeling that Sylar is going to end up working on the side of right when it comes to facing off against the even more evil guy that Molly mentioned at the end of series 1.

[CosmoBubba]

A new brother-sister hero duo will be introduced: Maya (new series regular Dania Ramirez) and Alejandro (Shalim Ortiz). The two are from Central America, and their powers are said to be integrally connected.

Because the world was totally begging for the Wonder Twins to be on Heroes.

[TheShowstoppa]

Okay... so I've only watched the first episode online on NBC.com. They took them off before I got a chance. I'm going to buy the first season and start watching before the new season kicks off again.

[DrLar]

Anyone watching "Heroes Unmasked" on BBC? it seems quite interesting, interviews with cast, examining each character, special effects used, etc.

[On a Pale Horse]

So far pretty good episode.... it looks like
Hiro is actually the real Kenzo who the legends are told about? ...ADDED actually from the preview for next week, it looks Hiro trains Kenzo to be the legendary hero.

[DrLar]

What is it with english actors in series anyway? lots of them around.. LOL..

Well a bit of a slow start, Bennet working as a copy-room clerk, Claire going to school and not being noticed, the "Mexican" heroine, which power I still don't understand (except that she kills people somehow), I just hope they don't go "chupacabras" like the X-files.. LOL.

We have surviving Nathan with some awful beard and attitude, Mohinder meets "Salomon" (the ancient story guy that turned everything to gold). Hiro in the past meeting that English samurai which seems to be a loser, I'm also guessing Hiro will take over and become the heroe himself.

Then a bit of Molly and Matt, she dreaming of the other monster around, which I bet is the one responsible for allegedly killing Hiro's dad and perhaps after Ms. Petrelli also. So this new "villain" has some power to resist a fall, Sylar like?

And what's with that kid stalking Claire? why the same power as her father? (flying).

Last but not least Peter Petrelli in a cargo container, tied and banged up somehow, I wonder how he ended up there?

[On a Pale Horse]

What is it with english actors in series anyway? lots of them around.. LOL..

Well a bit of a slow start, Bennet working as a copy-room clerk, Claire going to school and not being noticed, the "Mexican" heroine, which power I still don't understand (except that she kills people somehow), I just hope they don't go "chupacabras" like the X-files.. LOL.

We have surviving Nathan with some awful beard and attitude, Mohinder meets "Salomon" (the ancient story guy that turned everything to gold). Hiro in the past meeting that English samurai which seems to be a loser, I'm also guessing Hiro will take over and become the heroe himself.

Then a bit of Molly and Matt, she dreaming of the other monster around, which I bet is the one responsible for allegedly killing Hiro's dad and perhaps after Ms. Petrelli also. So this new "villain" has some power to resist a fall, Sylar like?

And what's with that kid stalking Claire? why the same power as her father? (flying).

Last but not least Peter Petrelli in a cargo container, tied and banged up somehow, I wonder how he ended up there?






I am trying to determine of Hiro will BECOME the real legendary Samurai under the heroes name, OR if he will motivate/train the white guy to fulfill his destiny.

Also, from am interview, the Mexican girls power **** SPOILER *****is to emit a deadly virus when shes in danger. Her twin brother is the cure for it. *** END ***

As for the guy who kamikazed Hiro's father.... that might not be the actual bad guy, but one of this drones that sacrificed himself to follow his master's orders??.

[Cody]

As for the guy who kamikazed Hiro's father.... that might not be the actual bad guy, but one of this drones that sacrificed himself to follow his master's orders??

Sulu was the only one I saw splattered on the sidewalk, though... Was there another body down there?

[On a Pale Horse]

Sulu was the only one I saw splattered on the sidewalk, though... Was there another body down there?


Maybe I glanced at it too quick... I thought I saw 2 bodies

[DrLar]

I saw only one, and I rewind it like 3 times.....

What LAME spanish they were speaking, even though they hired hispanic actor and actress they seem to don't even know how to speak spanish and forcing them to do it. not even the guys that drove the truck spoke well. My suggestion: hire real mexican actors!

[Spade]

I finally finished my Heroes season 1 box set and loved every minute of it. Definitely one of the better shows on television.

I love this show.... still waiting for next season..... BTW
The guy who plays DL (the one who can pass through walls).....isn't the same guy who played one of the aliens who came for kal-el on Smallville's 5th season premier?

The actor playing DL's name is Leonard Roberts and yes he was on a Smallville as Nam-Ek, he also was on a few episodes of Buffy the Vampire Slayer as Riley's friend Forrest.

[ZPowers]

Everything with the Claire storyline in this first episode was awful. The whole high school aspect is reidiculous and I hope they abandon the dumb 'pressures of a new school' think ASAP. Every scene with West and Claire also had really bad writing. "Are you a robot or alien LOL let's talk about that every five seconds". The Hiro in the past thing also turned out to be a lot dumber so far that I anticipated and frankly, does Hiro NEED to train the guy/become the hero? So far he would have done everything he was supposed to (save the village) if Hiro never came.

The rest of the episode was okay, but not especially standout.

[CosmoBubba]

I don't know if it was the writing or the actor himself, but I do know that I think that West kid is an annoying fuckstain. If I hear any references to aliens or robots in next week's episode, I'm going to leap at the nearest living thing and kill it.

[Just Jeans]

I don’t think Hiro will be the real Kensei. I think he’s going to brow beat the mercenary into becoming the hero of legend. Of course things would have gone fine had Hiro not shown up -- the man that Kensei hired to fight the soldiers for him probably would have succeeded -- so who knows.

The only thing that annoyed me at all in this episode is the non-resolution to Parkman’s marriage. I hated that we only got a throw away line about his divorce. It was an integral plot for the character in season 1, so I think it could have been handled better.

Otherwise, I think it was a brilliant season opener. Heroes is still my second favorite show currently produced for American television.

[ZPowers]

RE: Parkman's marriage, I think people were just tired of that arc. It's not very interesting (comparatively, and Heroes doesn't necessarily have a strong suit in that more everyday emotional payoff or personal moments, IMO) and it was somewhat over-focused on when much bigger, more memorable things were happening at the same time.

[Just Jeans]

I like the human drama in the show, but I agree. It doesn't always payoff very well, which is a shame. There are a lot of examples of the human drama failing due to lack of focus (Claire's relationship with Zach, Parkman's strained marriage, Hiro's relationship with his father, Peter's relationship with his mother.) On the whole, I think the only relationship that has had really worked for the long haul has been the friendship between Ando and Hiro.

[ZPowers]

Agreed, I think the Zach/Claire thing was especially oddly handled. I kept expecting him to show up again but he just didn't.

[Just Jeans]

It's because the producers wanted to make the character gay. The actor who played Zach had an agent who simply wouldn't hear of it. Ultimately, Zach's character dwindled and vanished when the kid who played him was hired to star as John Connor in The Sarah Connor Chronicles.

[Cody]

Character stuff that's been skipped over might be dealt with when we get "Four Months Earlier" (right after the s1 finale) a few episodes down the road.

[Just Jeans]

Ah, well that's okay then. I did notice that Beeman's blog drew attention to Parkman's separation from his wife and his unborn child, and I got the impression that it might be touched on later.

[Toejam]

I think Hiro will get Kensei to be a hero, so he(Kensei) can win the heart of the swordman's daughter.
Had Hiro not interupted, Kensei would have "fought dirty" and picked the soldiers off from the trees with his crossbow while the soldiers fought the imposter Kensei.
Now Kensei will have to become the Hero Hiro has believed him to be.
Which brings up the question, how much can Hiro really change the past? He couldn't save Charlie last season. Was he always meant to help Kensei?
Time travel always causes plot problems. If Hiro can change the past, what is to stop him from always go back in time to try to fix problems.(besides him not having full control of his powers)

[Just Jeans]

I'm almost positive that the Swordsman's Daughter will be Hiro's season 2 girlfriend that the production team were teasing about early this year.

The simple answer is that everything Hiro does in order to change the past was always destined to happen, even the Hiro from an alternate timeline who actually managed to prevent Peter from exploding and creating the future from which he originated. Splinter timelines, and all that

[Toejam]

Some things just seemed destined:

Hiro travels back in time six months to prevent Charlie from dying, only to find out that she has a blood clot in her brain and will die anyway.

Sylar is still able to kill Isaac.

Future Hiro tells Peter to "Save the Cheerleader" so that his failed attempt to kill Sylar will succeed. Even without Claire's powers, Sylar survives.

[Just Jeans]

But the explosion that wipes out New York was averted and Sylar didn't become an unstoppable beast, thus corrupting Future Hiro's home time (unless, as I say, it just created a splintered time line.)

[Spade]

RE: Parkman's marriage, I think people were just tired of that arc. It's not very interesting (comparatively, and Heroes doesn't necessarily have a strong suit in that more everyday emotional payoff or personal moments, IMO) and it was somewhat over-focused on when much bigger, more memorable things were happening at the same time.

That's one part I couldn't stand. I fast forward my dvd everytime the two of them were on the screen alone... boring.

I like the human drama in the show, but I agree. It doesn't always payoff very well, which is a shame. There are a lot of examples of the human drama failing due to lack of focus (Claire's relationship with Zach, Parkman's strained marriage, Hiro's relationship with his father, Peter's relationship with his mother.) On the whole, I think the only relationship that has had really worked for the long haul has been the friendship between Ando and Hiro.

This might seem a little weird, but Hiro is my favorite character on the show :lol:.

I didn't watch the season 2 opener. I taped it, but was planning on waiting to buy the box set and watching them all in a row. I'm beginning to get a little impatient.

The main thing I don't like about the show is the stupid score. Not the complete score of every episode, but that trademark sound that happens every single episode. You know that corny Heroes sound. I hope that made sense.

[Cody]

I had no problem with Parkman's marital issues storyline. Was all good to me.

And as a fan of the actor, any moments that put the focus on Grunberg is time well spent as far as I'm concerned.

[Just Jeans]

The main thing I don't like about the show is the stupid score. Not the complete score of every episode, but that trademark sound that happens every single episode. You know that corny Heroes sound. I hope that made sense.

I love the music on Heroes. I was actually hoping for a score CD. I love the sort of Indian flair that is utilized for the main motif (leading to the "sound" that you're talking about, I believe.) It's the most original television score in the last few years.

Interesting fact: The Girl Bros., who compose the music for the show, worked with Prince and The Revolution back in the 1980s.

[Spade]

The rest of the score is good, I just don't like that "sound".

[girlychaos]

And as a fan of the actor, any moments that put the focus on Grunberg is time well spent as far as I'm concerned.

I'm a fan of his too. I think he's a great actor.
I haven't watched the first episode of season 2 yet, but I want to a.s.a.p.

I just hear it wasn't that good. Is it true? I mean...I'm not checking any spoilers...but how was it overall?

[Just Jeans]

I thought "Four Months Later" was brilliant. I've seen people complaining that it was slow, but it wasn't any slower than the first episode of season 1.

[Spade]

Glad to see someone liked the season 2 opener. I was getting a little worried (I haven't watched it yet).

[Just Jeans]

Most of the reviews I've read online have been mostly positive for "Four Months Later". I've seen more negative comments in this thread than I've seen anywhere else. Mind you, I spend more time around here than anywhere else, so...

I'd suggest watching it and not trying this "wait for the box set" thing that you're on about. The box set won't be out for nearly a year. :eek:

[Spade]

Yeah I'e been thinking about skipping the whole "waiting for the box set thing" on both Heroes and Supernatural this year.

[girlychaos]

Thanks, Jeansie.

Yeah, Spade...I've been thinking the same thing.

[DrLar]

Nice episode! some pointers:

- Claire pinky toe stuff, does she has some mole in the next toe? what was that? I wonder why blood didn't splatter either, it did before when she inserted her hand in the garbage disposal. Also another question, does she feel pain or not? with the pinky it seems she didn't, when she broke her ankle in the school she did, garbage disposal she didn't, boiling her hand no pain. When she was nuked she shoulda been screaming in pain but she wasnt. Then HRG told her that they will torture her if they catch her.

- Kensei stuff, hero using his powers to freeze time, then not kissing the girl and what was that about Kenso with Claire's power, did the producers ran out of ideas? or they are saying that some humans will have the power, like the flying dude and Nathan. So Kensei can be the real hiro, he can't die and he can kick some serious arse with that power.

- So who attacked Ms. Petrelli? how the heck did he/she entered the closed room and got away with a locked door and everything? will that person be the monster Molly's dreaming about? So far that "monster" can fly and go thru walls, be invisible and scratch LOL.

- Suresh and his quest, so he's working underground with that gold turning guy, that suppossedly is from "the company", going to Haiti and curing the haitian, very clever pretending that the haitian wiped his memory so he can still be working for the gold dude.

- The Maya twins: weird "power" what is that? some kind of virus, I hope they don't go "chupacabra" on us (goatsucxer). The brother seems to be the antidote for it, whatever that is coming from her eyes.

- Peter kicking some serious arse! heck yeah! and his powers starting to come up. Remind me when Peter was near DL Hawkings? he can phase also as we saw with the rope. The lighting I don't know where from, the strenght from Jessica? (also where he was near her?)

[Just Jeans]

Nikki was at the plaza during the fight between Sylar and Peter. I know Nikki helps Peter fight Sylar, but I can't remember where DL was at the time. I think he was probably in the building near the plaza. Perhaps Peter was close enough to him outside the building, or maybe DL was down in the plaza before Peter exploded.

[CosmoBubba]

- Kensei stuff, hero using his powers to freeze time, then not kissing the girl and what was that about Kenso with Claire's power, did the producers ran out of ideas? or they are saying that some humans will have the power, like the flying dude and Nathan. So Kensei can be the real hiro, he can't die and he can kick some serious arse with that power.

I've heard that Kenzi is supposed to be an immortal, so he'd resurrect himself everytime he was supposedly killed. Kinda like the Highlander. Though if he can simply heal himself, I don't guess there'd be anything to stop them from having two characters with the same power. They already have two characters that can fly, after all.

- Peter kicking some serious arse! heck yeah! and his powers starting to come up. Remind me when Peter was near DL Hawkings? he can phase also as we saw with the rope. The lighting I don't know where from, the strenght from Jessica? (also where he was near her?)

Like Jeans said, Niki got involved in the fight between Peter and Sylar at the end of the first season finale. She started beating Sylar down with a parking meter to distract him, and that's when Peter copied her power. The blue energy blasts... I still don't know where he got that. But it seems like he's turning into Heroes's version of the Martian Manhunter, where he has a million different powers.

[sickboy]

I like the dynamic of the twins. One being the sort of opposite of the other is pure genius

I also liked when Kensei healed... very not expected. I figure that seeing as this is genetics we're talkig about, people would have random powers, not just an individual one. It's just pure luck we got one of each last time out, mainly becaise they were destined to do something. Of course, it's entirely possible that the heroes all descend from one genetic cock-up... maybe kensei is the ancestor of the petrellis? And does anybody know what Peter/Nathan's father's power was?

Damn I'm glad this is back!

[On a Pale Horse]

This new girl, (Anika?) is pretty cool. I think I might even like her power better than Peters. I wonder if she can just mimmick movements and technical stuff... or if she can actually see someone use a power and copy that. I am going to assume its only "movement mimick". Still, thats a pretty powerful ability. I would spend all day watching martial arts movies, gymnastics, rock climbing, and a bunch of technical "how to" videos.

[ZPowers]

This new girl, (Anika?) is pretty cool. I think I might even like her power better than Peters. I wonder if she can just mimmick movements and technical stuff... or if she can actually see someone use a power and copy that. I am going to assume its only "movement mimick". Still, thats a pretty powerful ability. I would spend all day watching martial arts movies, gymnastics, rock climbing, and a bunch of technical "how to" videos.

I'm guessing it is movement mimick. It said she's a 'muscle mimic', which is a little confusing cause some powers seem to be perhaps physical, not mental, but still. Anyways, Micah showed her her power through an issue of '9 Wonders' or whatever Isaac's comic was called, so I assume she IS the ninja girl on the cover

[On a Pale Horse]

Why do you guys keep spoiler'ing last seasons info, and your personal theories :)

Yeah, I didn't realize that was Isaac's comic, so it must be her. She has the ability to become pretty powerful. She can watch martial art movies, gymnastics competitions, sword fighting movies, and a bunch of instructional "how to" videos etc.

If Peter absorbs her power too, he'll be ridiculously tough.

[Just Jeans]

Heroes has seen a steady decline in ratings since the first episode of season 2 aired. Of course, every show on NBC on Monday has been losing viewers, but I guess the spark that made Heroes so interesting last year is starting to die.

Why do you guys keep spoiler'ing last seasons info, and your personal theories :)

Because it's courteous. Some people might be behind, or might live in a country where the episodes haven't aired yet (season 2 has yet to start anywhere but in the US, I think) and we have foreign members who might like to check the thread for discussion about previous episodes or news about the show.

I just finished watching Fight or Flight. Good episode. It was nice to see Peter using Issac's power again. It always creeps me out when he goes all white-eyed. Also, it'll be interesting to see who Kristen Bell was talking to on the phone, and how Suresh will handle Monica.

This new girl, (Anika?) is pretty cool.

Her name is Monica. And it does appear that she's a mimic of muscle movements, so she can do whatever she sees someone else do.

[On a Pale Horse]

Heroes has seen a steady decline in ratings since the first episode of season 2 aired. Of course, every show on NBC on Monday has been losing viewers, but I guess the spark that made Heroes so interesting last year is starting to die.



Because it's courteous. Some people might be behind, or might live in a country where the episodes haven't aired yet (season 2 has yet to start anywhere but in the US, I think) and we have foreign members who might like to check the thread for discussion about previous episodes or news about the show.

I just finished watching Fight or Flight. Good episode. It was nice to see Peter using Issac's power again. It always creeps me out when he goes all white-eyed. Also, it'll be interesting to see who Kristen Bell was talking to on the phone, and how Suresh will handle Monica.



Her name is Monica. And it does appear that she's a mimic of muscle movements, so she can do whatever she sees someone else do.

It looks like Suresh is either starting to buy into the company, or at least doing a good job pretending so he can get deep undercover.

I think Kristen Bell works for the company, so she was probably talking to someone high up.

[sickboy]

Why do you guys keep spoiler'ing last seasons info, and your personal theories :)

Because I'm in the UK and I have a nice shiny ban button;)

[On a Pale Horse]

Because I'm in the UK and I have a nice shiny ban button;)

I know man... I was more referring to spoiler texting LAST season's episodes, and people's personal opinions/theories on what they GUESS will happen. I just always thought that was kind of funny.

[Just Jeans]

It looks like Suresh is either starting to buy into the company, or at least doing a good job pretending so he can get deep undercover.

Agreed. I'm beginning to wonder if Mohinder is going to turn his back on Parkman, Molly, and Noah.

I think Kristen Bell works for the company...

Well she says as much in her first scene, but what intrigues me is her calling whoever she was talking to on the phone "Daddy". Either she was being a smart ass, or the person she was talking to is her biological father, and it's probably someone we've seen already. I just hope it isn't Bob. That would be too obvious.


I know man... I was more referring to spoiler texting LAST season's episodes, and people's personal opinions/theories on what they GUESS will happen. I just always thought that was kind of funny.

Like I said in my last post, it's just a common courtesy thing. In the event that someone is watching last season on DVD at the moment and hasn't seen what it is I'm rambling about, I'd prefer not to spoil it for them.

When it comes to speculation about what could happen, I spoiler tag it just in case I'm correct, thus preventing me having to backtrack through my posts and spoiler tag the information.

[Spade]

Heroes has seen a steady decline in ratings since the first episode of season 2 aired. Of course, every show on NBC on Monday has been losing viewers, but I guess the spark that made Heroes so interesting last year is starting to die.

Man that surprises me. Another good show that's not getting good ratings. Shows like Dancing With The Stars and Samantha Who get good ratings and this one is on the decline... that is completely absurd.

[On a Pale Horse]

Agreed. I'm beginning to wonder if Mohinder is going to turn his back on Parkman, Molly, and Noah.



Well she says as much in her first scene, but what intrigues me is her calling whoever she was talking to on the phone "Daddy". Either she was being a smart ass, or the person she was talking to is her biological father, and it's probably someone we've seen already. I just hope it isn't Bob. That would be too obvious.






Well its looking more and more like every hero of this generation spawns from a hero of the last generation. Everyone in that picture seems to be a parent of the current heroes.

Heres another theory my friend and I were discussing ,,,,

Anyone wonder if Sylar and Parkman are half brothers? Parkmans dad left when he was young, and might have fathered more children. I know Sylar lived alone with his mom...I dont remember if he ever mentioned his father?

[Just Jeans]

I think, according to the show, Sylar's father died. He was a watchmaker, and he and Gabriel ran the watch shop together until his father died, at which point Gabriel took over. Gabriel is shown working in the shop before he takes on the name Sylar in "Six Months Ago".

[Cody]

Heroes is featured in the latest Entertainment Weekly as a "show worth fixing".

The problems - sluggish pacing, too much time spent on the twins, cliche amnesia, Parkman and Suresh as My Two Dads, and the Hiro in the past storyline is disastrous.

The suggested solutions - ramp up the murder mystery and the super-virus plots. Activate "story generators" Hiro, Sylar, and Bennet. Get Claire out of the "been there, done that" high school situations.

[ZPowers]

Heroes is featured in the latest Entertainment Weekly as a "show worth fixing".

The problems - sluggish pacing, too much time spent on the twins, cliche amnesia, Parkman and Suresh as My Two Dads, and the Hiro in the past storyline is disastrous.

The suggested solutions - ramp up the murder mystery and the super-virus plots. Activate "story generators" Hiro, Sylar, and Bennet. Get Claire out of the "been there, done that" high school situations. I agree with most of this, but was it written before Sylar met the twins? Because now I can't get enough of them.

I'm gonna go ahead just say that the first three episodes of this season sucked. Especially Hiro, Claire, and Peter's storylines. I'm glad they're making a comeback and kinda seem to be avoiding those characters a lot more than the initial episodes (with the exception of tonight's, where Claire's storyline is still pretty mundane and West is still dumb, and Hiro's was halfway interesting for the first time tonight).

I think it's getting back on track, but I have to admit, even at it's peak there's other shows around I'd rather see stick around than Heroes (IMO the quality of their writing on the show is really inconsistant, and always has been)


PS, waaaaay too much Apple product placement already. Come the fuck on.

[Just Jeans]

I've liked this season just as much as last season. The only storyline that feels wasted is Nikki's, and I'm not sure I like where they're going with it. I can't wait to see Hiro versus Kensei.

Looks like things are finally picking up. We've now got a concrete problem that is just over the horizon 98% of the population dead and things seem to be kicking into high gear.
ADDED:
Heroes continues to slip (http://www.syfyportal.com/news424367.html)

The unconditional love for NBC's "Heroes" may be no more as bad news got worse for the show that is just a third of the way through its second season.

"Heroes" fell from its series low last week to a new low of a 6.1 rating/9 share according to Fast National Ratings from Nielsen Media Research. It was pounded by "Dancing With the Stars" as well as "Samantha Who?" on ABC, which once again averaged above a 10 rating. Also, comedies on CBS both continued to draw larger audiences than "Heroes," which was only able to beat a rerun of "K-Ville" on Fox and whatever The CW decided to air.

No matter where the blame lies, "Heroes" is still not getting much help from the shows NBC has grouped with it. "Chuck" and "Journeyman" also posted series lows, according to Zap2it, with "Chuck" earning a 4.2/6 and "Journeyman" a 3.8/6, both good only for third-place finishes as well, beating only World Series-less Fox reruns and The CW.

Powered by "Samantha Who," ABC is leading in the key demographic of adults aged 18 to 49 with a 4.7 rating while NBC managed only a 3.3 overall.

For Monday, NBC finished third -- and a distant third at that -- with a 4.7/7, handedly beat by ABC with a 11.3/17 and CBS with a 7.7/12.

NBC remains committed to "Heroes," but the jury is out on "Journeyman" and quite possibly "Chuck."

[Spade]

I'm really disappointed that this show isn't doing that well.

[girlychaos]

I'm really disappointed that this show isn't doing that well.

Me too.

I haven't seen any Season 2 episodes but I honestly liked the first season. It's actually not really the type of show I'd normally watch (and like) but somehow I have a great time watching it.

I hope it starts doing well soon enough.

[DrLar]

Yeah this season is starting too slow, like they dragged all the character's stories way too long, without much happenning.
Like Hiro telling his stories in tiny scrolls, I don't know Japanese but how can you tell so much from so little?. Like a whole chapter with 20-30 words.

[Just Jeans]

Season 2 of Heroes may well end on December 3rd, finishing with a scant 11 episodes.

'Heroes' Season 2 Could Be Cut In Half (http://www.syfyportal.com/news424386.html)

In terms of the writers strike, it seems that Hollywood is preparing for the worst.

SyFy Portal was tipped off to a report that production had halted on the set of "Heroes," and that producers were asked to go back and modify the ending of its 11th episode. That report appears to be true, reports TV Guide's Michael Ausiello.

"Sources confirm that the show is going back and shooting an alternate ending to the Dec. 3 episode that, if used, would allow the episode to function as a season finale in the event of a strike," Ausiello said. "Originally, the episode was only supposed to serve as the conclusion of the current 'Generations' arc."

At the time of the stoppage, production was between the 13th and 14th episodes of the second season, according to reports made to SyFy Portal. However, days after NBC pulled the plug -- at least for now -- on the spinoff "Heroes: Origins," it seems that the network is not interested in leaving the audience hanging through what could be a protracted writers strike. By ending the season at the end of the "Generations" arc, which started at the tail end of the show's first season, "Heroes" may be better able to bring fans into what might be a third season following a shortened second season.

But there is still a chance that Episode 11 won't be the season finale, Ausiello says.

"Should an 11th-house agreement be reached and a strike averted, the alt ending would likely be scrapped."

"Heroes" has been suffering from a severe ratings decline since the start of the second season, which has led some to speculate the moves of potentially ending the second season early while scrapping "Origins" could be more related to ratings than to the strike.

"Heroes" airs Mondays at 9 p.m. ET on NBC.

This television season is about to get all fucked up. :(

[Spade]

Dec. 3? Man that sucks.

[Just Jeans]

Episode 11 will be (http://www.syfyportal.com/pagetogether.php?id=4395&page=1) the season finale this year, if the strike doesn't end fast. :(

NBC already is making arrangements to prevent a long break in the middle of a season. "Heroes" already has struggled in the ratings department during its sophomore season. Another mid-season break could really see viewership plummet even more, so the network is deciding to end the second season after 11 episodes and allowing producers to pick up the third chapter in a third season next year -- that is if ratings through those 11 episodes are strong enough to warrant a renewal, and if the strike goes on longer than just a few weeks.

[King Dracula]

Great episode. Best of the season by far. Nice to get some answers. Love that we know who Adam is.

Can't wait to next week.

[On a Pale Horse]

So Kensei IS in the modern day. A few weeks ago my friend and I were talking about the mysterious guy who killed Hiros father, and thought it might be Kensei since he survived the fall off the roof. Looks like he's 400 years old or so, and has been waiting centuries to get revenge on Hiro. OR, somehow he got teleported into the modern day also.

[The One and Only]

I already knew that Kensei was going to show up in modern times thanks to the dingbats in NBC's advertising department showing him in the spots for the show. So it was no surprise for me. But I was surprised to find out Kensei was Adam. From Bob's account of things, and that article he showed Nathan, I was thinking Adam could manipulate the weather. But who knows what abilities that Kensei could've developed in the four centuries since he butted heads with Hiro.

I'm rather surprised to see so many people ready to abandon this show already, and this writer's strike isn't going to help keep viewers. The chief complaint seems that things are moving too slow for the viewers. But being a fan of the show since the beginning, it comes as no surprise that storylines work on a slow burn in this show. After watching the whole first season of the show on DVD right before the second season took off, I started thinking to myself, "Its going to be killer waiting a week to see what happens next." Especially after being able to hop right to the next episode with the DVD set.

I am however glad that Heros:Origins has been halted for the time being. Especially from what I've read that Kevin Smith had in store for his episode in exploringthe homosexual underpinnings of Hiro and Ando's relationship.:o Um, no thanks.

[Cody]

I am however glad that Heros:Origins has been halted for the time being. Especially from what I've read that Kevin Smith had in store for his episode in exploringthe homosexual underpinnings of Hiro and Ando's relationship.:o Um, no thanks.

Not true, since the characters from the main show wouldn't be involved in the Origins episodes. I wouldn't doubt that Kevin has jokingly told some people that's what it would be about, though.
ADDED:
'Heroes' Creator Apologizes to Fans (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20158840,00.html)

On the chilly Monday morning that Hollywood's writers went on strike, Heroes creator Tim Kring called from the streets outside the Hollywood studio where his NBC series is shot. ''Yes, I'm picketing my own show,'' says the 50-year-old writer-producer. ''So surreal.''

But Kring wasn't calling to discuss labor woes — he was calling to explain why Heroes, suffering a creative decline and a 15 percent ratings drop from the same period last year, went from Human Torch hot to Iceman cold. The good news? A turnaround appears to be under way. After weeks of sluggish storytelling, the Nov. 5 episode recaptured some of last season's fanciful energy. We've also seen the next two episodes — and we like them, too. The cliff-hangers are back. Narrative purpose has been discovered. Old favorites like Peter (Milo Ventimiglia) and Horn-Rimmed Glasses (Jack Coleman) take center stage. Even more encouraging: Kring himself is keenly aware that Heroes is broken. Here's his candid critique:

THE PACE IS TOO SLOW ''We assumed the audience wanted season 1 — a buildup of intrigue about these characters and the discovery of their powers. We taught [them] to expect a certain kind of storytelling. They wanted adrenaline. We made a mistake.''

THE WORLD-SAVING STAKES SHOULD HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED SOONER The premonition of nuclear apocalypse created a larger context that unified every story line last season. Kring now sees that Volume 2 (the first 11 episodes of season 2) would have been better served if Peter's vision of viral Armageddon had appeared in the season premiere rather than episode 7. ''We took too long to get to the big-picture story,'' he says.

THE ROOKIES DIDN'T GREET THEMSELVES PROPERLY New Heroes Monica (Dana Davis), Maya (Dania Ramirez), and Alejandro (Shalim Ortiz) ''shouldn't have been introduced in separate story lines that felt unattached to the show. The way we introduced Elle (Kristen Bell) — by weaving her in via Peter's story line — is a more logical way to bring new characters into the show.'' (That said, Kring says a few newbies won't make it beyond this second volume, which wraps Dec. 3.)

HIRO WAS IN JAPAN WAY TOO LONG Hiro's (Masi Oka) time-bending adventure in 17th-century Japan — where he mentored samurai hero Takezo Kensei (David Anders) — finally came to an end on Nov. 5. But Kring says it ''should have [lasted] three episodes. We didn't give the audience enough story to justify the time we allotted it.''

YOUNG LOVE STINKS Kring regrets sticking Claire (Hayden Panettiere) with a super-dud boyfriend and forcing Hiro to moon over a cutesy princess. ''I've seen more convincing romances on TV,'' he admits. ''In retrospect, I don't think romance is a natural fit for us.''

Yet while Heroes has finally found some dramatic traction, this second volume is pretty much a wash. The Dec. 3 episode has been retooled to function as a potential season finale — a move inspired by the writers' strike and a desire to give the show ''a clean slate'' when it goes back into production for Volume 3. At that point, Kring wants to craft a rebooted Heroes that can attract new fans and win back those who've tuned out: ''The message is that we've heard the complaints — and we're doing something about it.''

There's also a fan Q&A up on TV Guide (http://www.tvguide.com/news/heroes-tim-kring/071107-01).

[On a Pale Horse]

I am drawing a blank on the Adam thing.... was he mentioned before now or actually in an episode?

[Just Jeans]

Wow. Good on Kring, I guess. I think fans have been a little too harsh -- I've liked the slow build up, personally -- but I like that they're actually paying attention.

[TheShowstoppa]

To tell the truth, I haven't minded the wind down as much as other people. Yes - The whole Hiro thing and Peter's storyline has lasted just a bit longer than it should, especially now considering the season is shortened damn near 11 - 13 episodes.

[ZPowers]

I am drawing a blank on the Adam thing.... was he mentioned before now or actually in an episode?

No, I'm fairly certain the concept/character of Adam was introduced in this last episode.

Some of those complaints, especially about Hiro's overly long old Japan story, and Claire (that idiotic "oh, robots aliens robots aliens lol" shit bothered made me hate West right away), Peter and Hiro's seriously moronic relationship shit, were really valid. Glad they're addressing him.

[Just Jeans]

I've been thinking about this for a couple of days, and I've got a theory about Elle. I think that she's not actually working for the Company, and that she's Adam's daughter. She was sent to Ireland by Adam to track down Peter, but when she killed Ricky, Adam ordered her back.

[On a Pale Horse]

Do you guys think Adam has been alive for 400 years or did he find a way to jump into the future? I'd guess the prior. I also wonder if he's the grandfather or something of Peter and Nathan- which would explain why Claire has the same power as him.

[On a Pale Horse]

You know, I was just thinking how cool it would be to have Monica's power. I think it would me my first choice out of all of them (except for Peter of course). Imagine the possibilities.... watching martial arts movies, UFC, gymnastics all day. Learning how to use every weapon and gadget and tool. You'd be like Batman, Mcgauver, Bruce Lee, and Daredevil all rolled into one.

You could easily get rich off of it too, being able to pick up any trade or skill in a day or less.

[King Dracula]

Another good episode. Like that we got to see more of Adam. Didn't like how DL died. He saw the punch coming but not the gun shot? Would have been better if he got shot in the back of the head.

Next week looks very interesting.

[On a Pale Horse]

Another good episode. Like that we got to see more of Adam. Didn't like how DL died. He saw the punch coming but not the gun shot? Would have been better if he got shot in the back of the head.

Next week looks very interesting.


Yeah didnt make sense. But maybe he was afraid if he let the bullet pass through him it would kill people behind him.


I am really interested to see how modern day Adam turns out. He seems to be the founder of the company, and probably the most devious of anyone in the show.

[Just Jeans]

I reckon DL simply didn't have time to react. The gun was out and on his chest and fired before he had time to "activate" his power. I would have preferred he got shot in the back, but the fact he didn't doesn't bother me that much. As I said, he probably didn't see it coming. And even if he did, and had he phased, the bullet would have probably killed the person behind him.

Over all, I think this was a brilliant episode. The shots of Nathan and Peter flying into the sky were probably the best effect this season; it's the kind of stuff I almost wish we'd seen in episode 1 of this season. I can't wait to see where all this is going, and I think it's a terrible shame that episode 11 will probably be the finale.

[On a Pale Horse]

Killer episode tonight. I cant believe Noah (appeared) to die! Wow. Also, confirmed Adam killed Hiro's dad, but we pretty much already guessed that. Also, Matt's power is evolving. He could become one of the most powerful heroes. NEVERMIND.... Noah Alive... I knew the blood could heal, didnt know it could resurrect.

[Jason's Storm]

Yea I guess Claire's blood does ressurect. She was resurrected, even after her chest was cracked in the morgue.

~JS

[King Dracula]

Another good episode. Wish they would have kept HRG dead or at least brought him back offscreen then explained it later. Although I thought it was obvious he would be brought back once I saw Nathan get healed by Adam's blood.

Graphic novel is great. Adam finds somebody like him and has already killed him twice in the same night. Wonder if we will get a highlander moment and he chops off this other guys head to see if it kills him. Can't wait to read part 2.

[Just Jeans]

I had a character death spoiled for me before I had a chance to watch it. Still haven't seen it. :misery:

[On a Pale Horse]

I had a character death spoiled for me before I had a chance to watch it. Still haven't seen it. :misery:


How come you never catch the Monday night broadcast?

[Jack Bauer]

Yea I guess Claire's blood does ressurect. She was resurrected, even after her chest was cracked in the morgue.

~JS
~JS, once the brain of an evolved human with a healing factor is jammed or impaled with something like a glass shard or a tree branch and that said object is taken out they would live. The same thing happened to Claire and Peter. When the tree branch was impaled into Claire's skull, she live. And when Sylar telekinetically thrown a glass shard at Pete's noggin, he was dead until it was taken out of the skull. Like Adam has said if someone was to do a beheading then an evolved human with a healing factor would die because if you destroy the brain, you kill an evolved human or if your Sylar you could gain their powers some how.

[Just Jeans]

How come you never catch the Monday night broadcast?

I tape it and watch it with a friend. He wasn't able to come over this Monday, so I had to wait for him to turn up.

Wish they would have kept HRG dead or at least brought him back offscreen then explained it later.

This was the plan. The writer's strike changed that plan. According to SyFy Portal:

The final scene of Noah Bennet's resurrection was not originally going to be in this episode, but was to be saved for a later date. This was one of the last-minute changes made before the writers' strike, and I think it was a wise decision.

HRG is a fan favorite, and leaving his death in limbo for the duration on the strike could potentially have alienated more fans. Now we know we have something to look forward to, including finding out who revived him.

Regardless of that scene, we may not see him again this season.

[On a Pale Horse]

Talk about cliffhanger.... Hiro and Peter squaring off.... I wonder how that will go. I guess Hiro loses as the preview showed Peter and Adam continuing along. I also wonder what will happen with Monica. I couldnt quite tell, it happened so fast...did they shoot her and leave her there, or did they throw her in the van? Also, looks like Sylar might get his powers back in the next episode.

[Just Jeans]

Sylar was meant to be written out in the 11th episode, so that Quinto could go away and work on Star Trek. Given that the season comes to an end rather than a mid-way hiatus, I'm betting he's left fully restored, rather than being written out.

The preview for next week says that two Heroes will fall. I've got a feeling it'll be Maya and Monica. Which means next season will start with the core cast from the end of season 1 still in tact, ready for a full on third year. This abbreviated year will end up feeling like a side story rather than a full, proper chapter.

[ZPowers]

The preview for next week says that two Heroes will fall. I've got a feeling it'll be Maya and Monica. Which means next season will start with the core cast from the end of season 1 still in tact, ready for a full on third year. This abbreviated year will end up feeling like a side story rather than a full, proper chapter.

Well, you still have Adam and West and Elle and Bob, unless EVERY antagonist except Sylar dies too, which I really doubt, and West never comes back.

[On a Pale Horse]

I agree on Maya. She hasnt really done much for the story, and its obvious Sylar just wants to steal her power. I am not sure on the other one. It could be Monica, they havent done much with her. I hope its not, she has the potential to be a real kick ass character if she keeps learning new skills.

Do you guys think Suresh has REALLY joined the Company's cause, or is it all a master plan to infiltrate deep in the leadership? Its pretty convincing that he's crossed over, but he and Noah are both very smart so it wouldnt surprise me if they're playing everyone.

[Just Jeans]

I think Mohinder works for his own agenda -- he's become another one of those morally gray characters. He's trying to do what he thinks is right. In one instance "right" might be shooting Noah in the face to protect the Company's front man, while in the next instance "right" is bringing that very same person back to life.

Well, you still have Adam and West and Elle and Bob, unless EVERY antagonist except Sylar dies too, which I really doubt, and West never comes back.

I expect Adam and Bob may return, but Kristen Bell is a busy young woman, so I'm not sure whether she'll be back or not. Tim Kring said they're going to stop trying to write over arching romance plots, so I expect West to vanish.
ADDED:
'Heroes' Climbs Out Of Ratings Hole (http://www.syfyportal.com/news424479.html)

As the second season of "Heroes" winds down a shortened run, it seems that viewers are slowly making their way back.

NBC's only real bright light shined a little brighter Monday earning a 6.7 rating/10 share according to Fast National ratings from Nielsen Media Research. That is up slightly over the 6.6 earned the previous week, and was enough to take third place behind comedies on CBS and "Samantha Who?" on ABC, but was able to win the hour in the key demographic of adults 18 to 49.

[King Dracula]

The ending of the episode was great. The rest of the episode was ok. Didn't like Monica bringing Micah with her.

New Graphic novel is good. The guy didn't have Adam's powers but instead was Multiple Man which was a nice twist. Also they beat the shit out of him and though him that one man can't stop a army. In turn Adam takes it the wrong way and instead of getting friends he thinks he needs disciple's. Hope we get another version of multiple man on the show. Wouldn't mind seeing a flashback of this comic.

[On a Pale Horse]

The ending of the episode was great. The rest of the episode was ok. Didn't like Monica bringing Micah with her.

New Graphic novel is good. The guy didn't have Adam's powers but instead was Multiple Man which was a nice twist. Also they beat the shit out of him and though him that one man can't stop a army. In turn Adam takes it the wrong way and instead of getting friends he thinks he needs disciple's. Hope we get another version of multiple man on the show. Wouldn't mind seeing a flashback of this comic.

Yeah it didn't make sense that she brought a kid with her to a dangerous situation. It also didn't make sense that she didn't fight the thugs. She watched all those martial arts movie so should have some extensive fighting skills.

[On a Pale Horse]

As finale getting ready to start ... I think maybe Flying boy will die? Does he really have any purpose other than claires temp love interest? Maybe shocking girl will be the other one. But Maya remains a strong candidate to die...

ADDED AFTER SHOW


Well I was way off. Wow, killed 2 regular characters. Of course we don't know for sure. Nathan could be resurrected....and Nikki might have gotten out the back door or something.

I think Nathan went down unrealistically. Knowing the threat of the company he would have worn a vest, or had Parkman scan the audiences minds for intruders.

Sylar back in business. On 2nd thought, I guess it wasn't smart to think he'd kill Maya and take her powers. That would make him WAY too powerful.

Adam trapped in grave. Man, that would SUCK for an immortal- fate worse than death. I am sure he will get out eventually.

Kind of a lackluster finale, not bad, just not great. But I guess considering the abrupt end due the strike, it was on par.

[Just Jeans]

Considering it was meant to be a mid-season cliffhanger, and that it had many elements re-filmed in the end (I bet we didn't originally see what happened to Adam, and we probably wouldn't have seen Sylar get his powers back, as he was meant to be written out in this episode so Quinto could do Star Trek) I think it was a pretty good episode. I'm not keen on it as a season finale, but that's just how the cards fell.

I don't think that Nathan is dead. This is the second year they've ended it on Nathan's life in peril, but I think his relationship with Peter is too key to the plot at the moment to kill him, and you'll notice the TV report shies away from declaring him dead.

I think they've effectively written West out, and I'm not sure what kind of role Maya will play next year.

[Psychoticninja]

Ok, I've watched this whole season without arguing, but particularly last night when me and my brother was watching it I decided I didn't like the last episode. My bro doesn't watch Heroes, he just catches 1 or 2 episodes each season and as it was the season finale he watched it. In season 1 it was easy to explain because it was first 'Save the Cheerleader, Save the world'. Then it was 'Peter is the bomb he's going to explode and everyone needs to stop Sylar'. With this season now, I couldn't explain what the hell was the main plot line.

I'm like... errr.. there's a virus that they need to stop, but i'm not sure if the company who created the company is good or evil and i'm not sure who the big villain is, I think its that immortal guy walking there.

Then my bro is like: If he's the big bad guy why did Hiro just bury him so easily?

Me: Errr.... I duno cuz he sucks.

Bro: What's the cheerleader girl doing?

Me: Trying to expose the company

Bro: But, isn't that what the flying dude and the guy who could control all the powers is going to do now?

Me: *scratching head*... I guess

Bro: The villain from last time got back his powers, does that mean he's the big bad villain again now? Or should we have to worry about the company more?

Me: :confused: I don't know! I'm confused too!


My point is, while really intriguing and stuff, alot of plot elements to me seem realy unconnect and truly unnecessary and it felt like they didn't know what the hell they were doing with that last episode.

[On a Pale Horse]

The Company has always been an enigma. They seem to be doing things for the good of the human race, but employ some pretty harsh tactics a long the way. Even if they have somewhat good intentions, they are very controlling and dictate how they want things done, with no exceptions.

Sylar is on his own side. He's a threat to good guys, bad guys, and the company.

The cheerleader was going to expose the company in a fit of emotion brought on by her dad's would be death, but seeing him again seems to have brought her down to Earth.

Parkman and the Petrelli bros were going to expose the company, but obviously they were taking on a juggernaut.

On a side note I think Micah and Monica are going to become a crime fighting duo now. Micah lost both of his parents to criminals, and Monica will probably feel responsible for Nikkis death.

[Just Jeans]

With this season now, I couldn't explain what the hell was the main plot line.

It's because we only got half the season. The main plotline of this half was supposed to be dealing with the sins of the father (stopping the virus). Who knows what the second half would have initially been about. The focus had to be heavily altered because of the strike.

Like I said, before the episode was rewritten, Sylar didn't get his powers back. They were going to give the impression that he was dead, so that Quinto could go off and work on Star Trek. Also, I rather doubt Adam would have ended up shunted away and buried. What made Adam so dangerous was that he had Peter in his pocket, but I'm sure Peter's flip back over to his brother's side was part of the rewrites.

I think everything from the point they arrived at the vault was rewritten, so as to give some semblance of an ending to the truncated season. It's unfortunate, but there was no way around it.
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On a side note I think Micah and Monica are going to become a crime fighting duo now. Micah lost both of his parents to criminals, and Monica will probably feel responsible for Nikkis death.

I rather doubt she's dead. I'm almost positive she'll turn back up in the third season. The sequence in which she appeared to die is shot intentionally vague, just like with Nathan.

Besides, all they have to do is find her corpse and pump her full of Claire's blood. They could probably dig up DL and do the same to him. Having blood with regenerative properties opens up the door for just about anyone who has died to come back.

[Psychoticninja]

Besides, all they have to do is find her corpse and pump her full of Claire's blood. They could probably dig up DL and do the same to him. Having blood with regenerative properties opens up the door for just about anyone who has died to come back.

That was another point that was really silly my bro pointed out. Because he saw Maya dead and when he saw her come back alive, he wanted to know why. I explained it to him and he said, but that means you can resurrect everyone now... and that kinda makes it silly. Which i kind of agree with to a point.

I understood that everything that happened, but it was easier in season 1 to introduce someone to the series rather than season 2. I mean they could've hyped it ALOT around the virus up to that point, Stop the virus, save the future or something alone those lines. But, i understand that the strike really messed everything up and its a pity... oh well, c'est la vie.

And that's a cool idea about the crime fighting duo, but i would rather think Nicky would survive, she's too important of a character to be written off. Nathan however... the company wouldn't give him Claire's blood to heal, so he might be bed-ridden for awhile.

[Just Jeans]

For all we know, Peter's blood has the ability to heal other people as well. After all, he's got Claire's regenerative abilities. I don't think the Company has any of Claire's blood left anyway. I think Mohinder had it all, and Sylar has it now.

Anyhoo, I'm sure they'll conceive a way to make Claire's and Adam's (and possible Peter's) blood less valuable.

[On a Pale Horse]

For all we know, Peter's blood has the ability to heal other people as well. After all, he's got Claire's regenerative abilities. I don't think the Company has any of Claire's blood left anyway. I think Mohinder had it all, and Sylar has it now.

Anyhoo, I'm sure they'll conceive a way to make Claire's and Adam's (and possible Peter's) blood less valuable.

I was wondering about Peters blood too. But somehow I think only the pure healers like Claire and Adam can do it. Peter seems to be more of a power-mimicker. He is average at a lot of powers, where people with 1 power become masters of it.

They have to put some kind of limit on the blood plot device. Otherwise its just like playing God, and essentially every character is immortal if they can just be brought back from the dead with a simple injection. Maybe theres an 8 hour window or something.

ALSO, we never really found out what happened to Peters Irish girlfriend. Shes still stuck in the future. Did the reality morph around her? She should be the only to realize it as she wasnt a natural part of that time frame

Lastly, do we have to wait till next Fall for a new season? If the writers strike end soon, are we going to get a season 2.5 in winter/spring?

[Just Jeans]

If the writer's strike ends quick enough, the second half of season 2 will air slightly later than normal, probably in the spring. If not, we won't get any more Heroes until next fall.
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Character Fates 'Up In Air' From 'Heroes' Finale (http://www.syfyportal.com/news424513.html)

The biggest enemies of NBC's "Heroes" may not be Sylar-like enemies. In fact, falling ratings and the writers' strike have forced the show to conclude its second season early.

What does the future hold for what was once a rare break-out hit for the Peacock network?

According to a TV Guide interview with creator Tim Kring, there has been at least one good thing about the strike. Zachary Quinto, who brings Sylar to life, was going to be busy playing Spock in the J.J. Abrams "Star Trek XI" feature film during much of the third volume. Now, if the strike continues to drag on, he'll be back when "Heroes" starts up production once again.

But what about the fate of several characters left hanging in the balance by "Powerless"? Like Nathan, who was gunned down by an assassin's bullet? Or Niki, who apparently died in a fiery explosion? And does electric Elle become a good girl?

Kring says all these storylines are "up in the air and will be determined when we come back after the strike. But things are fairly dire for (Nathan and Niki)."

Meanwhile, there's an ironic twist for Adam the immortal to consider. Hiro teleported Adam into a coffin buried in the same Japanese cemetery where Hiro's dad Kaito, who was slain by Adam, also is buried.

"It's poetic justice to have Adam end up in the same graveyard as Kaito," said Kring. "We've given the audience no reason to believe that Adam can figure a way to get out of there. The fact that he can live forever makes this the most gruesome of internments. If this happened to any of us, at least we'd know we'd soon have the mercy of death. Not here."

Will one good act make Elle turn into a hero? Maybe, Kring said.

"Kristen Bell gave us the perfect reaction in that scene" where Elle saves Mohinder and Molly, he said. "For a moment there, Elle sees she's been given an opportunity to use her powers in a good way. And she absolutely likes the sound of that word 'hero.'"

Even though Elle may be joining the heroes, Kring said that the bad guys won't be hurting for members on their side. After all, Volume 3 is called "Villains."

"We've introduced a cadre of them over the course of the show, and we're going to see them rise up," Kring said. "Just as the heroes have found each other to save the world, the villains will do the same with the opposite intent."

Are there actually more villains than heroes? "The Company has catalogued many of these people over the years," according to Kring. "There may be more of them down in that basement than we have alluded to so far."

Will Sylar be like Lex Luthor, working as the leader of this "Legion of Doom"?

"Sylar getting his power back does not bode well for our heroes," said Kring. More than that, he won't say.

But he hopes fans noticed the subtle salute to long-time pop culture hero Popeye the Sailor Man when Sylar telekinetically grabbed a can of spinach and said, "I'm back!"
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'Heroes' Ends Season On Strong Note (http://www.syfyportal.com/news424514.html)

There won't be a new episode of "Heroes" for a long time, so audiences made sure they got their last dose of the show in the second season finale Monday.

"Heroes" earned a 6.6 rating/9 share, according to Fast National ratings from Nielsen Media Research, enough for second place in the 9 p.m. hour behind "Two and a Half Men" and "Rules of Engagement" on CBS. It made easy work of season breakout hit "Samantha Who?" which scored a 5.0/7 without its "Dancing With the Stars" lead-in, as well as "Notes from the Underbelly," which had just 3.8/6.

Thanks to "Heroes," NBC was able to pick up a win in the key advertising demographic of adults 18 to 49, with a 3.6, according to Zap2it. That was well ahead of the 3.0 earned by CBS, which had actually won the night in overall viewership.

[Cody]

They should try to keep Kristen Bell around, if just so Hayden has someone she can act eye-to-eye with.

[Just Jeans]

She could act eye to eye with Masi... but I can't recall Hiro and Claire ever sharing any screen time, with perhaps the final moments of season 1, in Kirby Plaza.

They'd make a cute couple.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x124/f13thtribute/heroes.jpg

[On a Pale Horse]

Sylar leading a legion of doom type group is interesting. But he's too selfish, and wouldnt be able to resist killing them to take their powers.

[On a Pale Horse]

My friend and I were talking about how the heroes powers may evolve

We saw Parkman get more powerful gaining the ability to control peoples actions. Some others I was wondering:

Micah- maybe he will become like the Terminator 3 chick and be able to control machines around him without touching them
Sylar- be able to absorb powers without cutting into their head?
Parkman- maybe communicate with people far away, or even read their thoughts to see what they are doing
Hiro- Teleport further in time, or to another dimension
Maya- focus the disease on a specific person, and less powerful doses just to disable
Monica- will obviously learn a ton of new skills and become bad-ass. Maybe eventually mimmick certain powers too

[Psychoticninja]

The power i could agree with being focused is Maya. I'm sure she could control it to a specific person, maybe she might not be able to control killing them, but at least she won't kill everyone around her.

[ZPowers]

My friend and I were talking about how the heroes powers may evolve

We saw Parkman get more powerful gaining the ability to control peoples actions. Some others I was wondering:

Micah- maybe he will become like the Terminator 3 chick and be able to control machines around him without touching them
Sylar- be able to absorb powers without cutting into their head?


While I'm guessing your other (esp. Maya) hunches are right too, I want to mention something about these two since I also have my speculation

We actually already say Micah not touch a machine and tell it what to do, I think. He had a cell phone in his hands, sure, but does that really give him access to either a stoplight or indeed a transportation center? Cause he difintly didn't touch that stoplight in the finale.

And as for Sylar, right after the finale I was thinking about how bad it would be for the gang if Sylar no longer needed to eat the brains, and if his planarian worm power could take it from any sample of a hero. Mainly beause if that's so, he has Claire's powers now. I'm guessing that won't happen (and indeed, am wondering if he'll get wind of where Adam is, dig him up, and decapitating him before he's even done thanking him)

[Just Jeans]

Heroes Creator Tim Kring Talks (http://tv.ign.com/articles/841/841573p1.html) Bewaire possible spoilers for previous episodes.

December 14, 2007 - This past Tuesday saw cast members from Heroes and fans of the show join the striking writers on the picket line outside Universal Studios. Greg Grunberg ("Matt Parkman"), Dana Davis ("Monica Dawson"), Sendhil Ramamurthy ("Mohinder Suresh"), Dania Ramirez ("Maya Herrera"), Cristine Rose ("Angela Petrelli"), Jack Coleman ("Noah Bennet"), Ali Larter ("Niki Sanders"), Masi Oka ("Hiro Nakamura") and Kristen Bell ("Elle Bishop") all were in attendance showing support for the writers, including the creator of the show, Tim Kring.

I was able to speak to Kring to talk about the strike, and how it has impacted Heroes, which ended up re-shooting the ending of the final episode of their Volume 2 storyline, "Generations", as the possibility of a strike grew. We also discussed some of the criticism Heroes received during Volume 2; the spinoff series Origins -- which was taken off the schedule this year thanks to the strike – and hints of what's to come in Volume 3, entitled "Villains."

IGN TV: You've had a lot of fan encounters since the show began, but this must be a different experience than any of the others.

Tim Kring: Yeah, this is unique. This is not the ideal way to interact with the fans, when you're unemployed and your future is uncertain. But it's very heartening to have them show up like this.

IGN TV: What's your take on the situation? Last week things seemed to be going relatively well, and then the bottom dropped out again.

Kring: Listen, I don't know if this was always a part of the script. Clearly, a scenario that a lot of people have been talking about for awhile is this idea that the studios would go and make a deal with the directors and then we would follow after that. And clearly, that seems to be what it looks like is going to happen.

IGN TV: You have a lot of your cast here with you today. What do they seem to think about the situation?

Kring: Well, they're in a really tough spot, because as of right now, they don't have any issues other than wanting to go to work. Their issues will be talked about in the next few months. These issues that we're dealing with in this strike will become their issues, obviously, with the SAG members. But what's great is a lot of them really showed support. They came out not just to an event like this, but they came out many times and walked with us, so it's great.

IGN TV: It must have been strange to have Heroes still in production for a bit when the strike began.

Kring: Yeah, very surreal, because I immediately left the show and didn't cross the picket line and had the surreal experience of picketing my own show as it's in production. I can't even begin to describe what a bizarre thing that is, to see people you've worked with so closely coming in and out of the gate, as you're waving to them with a picket sign. It's a pretty strange experience!

IGN TV: Is it correct that a couple more episodes were shot beyond what we've seen?

Kring: No. We did a little bit of shooting on episode 12 and 13; specifically things like Zach Quinto's stuff, because he was going off to shoot Star Trek, so we made sure to shoot enough of his stuff to carry on, because he had a scheduling issue. And then we shot some storylines that we knew weren't connected, that were up ahead in episodes 12 and 13. But we pretty much are going to start from scratch when we come back. So we don't have episodes in the can. We have some material in the can, but by no means is it a full episode.

IGN TV: How different was the new ending for Volume 2 from what was originally shot?

Kring: Well, it was designed so that we could take advantage of a longer break than we hoped, and it turned out to have been really the right call. I think we ended up re-shooting about eight pages, maybe – six or eight pages, something like that. So it was about five minutes of that final episode that were altered. It allowed us to jump ahead. Originally Season 2 was going to be comprised of three volumes. Volume 2 was "Generations", Volume 3 was called "Exodus", Volume 4 was called "Villains." We now have dropped "Exodus" and jumped right to "Villains." And by rewriting this ending, it allowed us to do that.

IGN TV: You did an interview with Entertainment Weekly that addressed complaints some had about the show earlier this season.

Kring: Listen, when somebody asks me if there's anything that I would do differently on the show, the answer is "Yes, everything!" Literally everything. There isn't a frame of film that I watch that I don't think "Oh, well we could have done this! It could have been blue and not green!" And so you're kind of asking the wrong guy when you ask me what I could have done differently, because this group of writers and producers on this show are incredibly passionate about what we do and we are the worst critics; we are the most hard on our own stuff. We ask the tough questions every single day. We constantly analyze what we're doing and we constantly try and gauge where we should be and it's a very organic process. You have to remember that making a show like this is not like a cop show or a medical drama where there are literally dozens and dozens of models to fall back on – "Well, you know, we can put the same ending on Act 3 that they did on NYPD Blue in this episode." We don't have that luxury.

The show is so sort of bold and innovative and new that we don't have a template to follow. So we're making these rules up as we go along. So, because of that and the organic process of the show, there are times when you go "Well, we should have zigged instead of zagging at this point." The good news is that we are often five, six, seven episodes ahead of where the audience is, so when the audience starts to get frustrated by something, we've already felt that frustration eternally and have adjusted for it. And I think Volume 2 was very much an example of that. I think just when the audience started to feel frustrated by things, sure enough they got to episodes where those things were addressed. And that wasn't us answering the audience, because we were weeks ahead. We started shooting these episodes in June, so we were pretty far along by the time they started airing. It wasn't like we were adjusting because of what we were hearing.

The other thing that I'll say about it is that as you go along on a show like this, the fans become harder and harder to please. I mean it's just human nature. When something isn't shiny and new anymore, you start to look at it from different angles. And in many ways, the first season had all these same problems. We had these terrible complaints in the first season about "When are these people getting together?!" and "I don't understand this." We waited until episode 9 to bring people together last year, so the frustration level was really, really high. On a show like this, I think the shelf life gets shorter and shorter and shorter with frustration. We are just trying to commit ourselves to constantly being bold and pushing the boundaries of new storytelling, and a show like this has to stay fresh and has to stay new. With fans sometimes, if you're different they say "Why are you different?" And if you're not different, they say "Well, why are you the same old show?" So you're in a catch-22 oftentimes with an audience.

All I know is that we have to keep moving forward, like a shark. We have to repopulate the show with new characters. Even though people sometimes don't want to see new characters, the truth is they kind of do. They kind of really do want to see new characters. Last year, I think we introduced over 20 characters in one season, and most of them I think met with success. So we felt very embolden that we could keep doing that. Why wouldn't we? We've had success with almost every single one. So it's all a work a progress. It's all a work in progress.

IGN TV: Do you think Heroes: Origins will live again at some point?

Kring: I really do. I think it's a fabulous idea and it was very schedule specific for this year, because it was designed to air in May and to fill up the season. That was the whole idea, was we would air until the end of April, and then Origins would go through May. It was a schedule-specific idea and it's going to have to be schedule-specific again. But it's part of the rub of television right now, in that people don't want to watch reruns. They want original programming, all the time. A television season is 39 weeks long, and most shows can do at most, 24 episodes, so therein lies the rub. If you've got 39 weeks and 24 episodes, what do you do for the rest of that time? And our idea was to come up with this other show that was produced as a separate entity, so it didn't tax our production. Do six episodes and we would expand our season to ostensibly 30 episodes by doing that. So my guess is that will still be a good idea next year, it's just we don't know when next year is! Next year doesn't exist right now.

IGN TV: What can you say about the fates of Nathan and Niki?

Kring: Well, my answer to that is it doesn't look good! [Laughs] It looks pretty dire. But as we've seen on Heroes, death is one of those things that's very, shall we say, fluid. So I would not completely count them out.

IGN TV: Some fans are wondering if Claire's blood is too much of a miracle cure. I'm assuming that's something you've thought about as well?

Kring: Yes. There's only so many times you can go to certain wells or it gets tempting to take the easy route. There's a few other tricks up our sleeve in that respect. The fans should just know that Volume 3, "Villains", when we hit the ground running is going to be pretty high velocity. While that doesn't mean action so much, it means tension and all that kind of stuff. It's going to be the cranked up version of our show.

[At this point, Kristen Bell walked up to say goodbye to Kring before she left]

IGN TV: And more of this young lady, I hope?

Kring: And hopefully Kristen will be with us forever! But right now we've got her for a few more episodes.

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

I don't know if anyone else saw this yet, but It's pretty interesting regarding Volume 3:

http://www.heroes-france.com/videos/playerv2.swf?file=http://videos.heroes-france.com/videos/others/177.flv&image=http://videos.heroes-france.com/videos/others/177.jpg

[Just Jeans]

I'm not sure that's actually anything to do with Volume 3, I think that's some of the unused footage that was filmed for episode 12 and 13, which Kring has insinuated will be tossed out come time to pick up filming Volume 3.
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If there's anyone here who would like an lovely behind-the-scenes look at Heroes, I suggest looking for Heroes Unmasked (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroes_Unmasked). The show is narrated by Anthony Stewart Head, and produced by the same folks who produce Doctor Who Confidential and Torchwood Unclassified. I'm watching episode 1 at the moment. It's only 8 minutes long, but it's still really informative. There may be a series of Unmasked for season 2, but I'm not sure.

I'm sure you internet savvy people can find it online somewhere.

[sickboy]

I think unmasked and confidential are produced by the same people. As season 2 hasn't aired in the uk the beeb won't have made an unmasked yet.

[Just Jeans]

I think unmasked and confidential are produced by the same people.

I sort of said that they were in the second line of my post about Unmasked. :shifty: Do you even actually read what I post, Richard? :eek:

The reason I'm not sure about a second series of Unmasked has to do with the nonsense going on in Hollywood. It'll be interesting to see if the WGA strike works its way into Unmasked during interviews.

[sickboy]

I sort of said that they were in the second line of my post about Unmasked. :shifty: Do you even actually read what I post, Richard? :eek:

As much as I would like to say yes, I think it's clear that it's really a no :p

[Just Jeans]

Finally some more Heroes stuff to discuss. Articles tagged just in case:

Expect More Dangerous Powers In New 'Heroes' (http://www.syfyportal.com/news424834.html)

And one question that fans want to know will definitely be answered: Does she have a power? The answer quite simply is, yes.

“You’ve gotta know that she’s got something going on,” actress Christine Rose told fans at the recent Eclipse event in the United Kingdom. She wouldn’t say exactly what that power would include. However, she did say that she wouldn’t want to have it as “power like that is dangerous and potentially harmful.”

Among hints at the discussion panel that she knows what
Volume 3 will include (after letting slip that she has a power, Rose was incredibly tight-lipped), she joked that she would like Angela to have a boyfriend in the upcoming volume but that’s not likely to happen. But some of her random theories she has concocted about her character might.

While working on the series, Rose has put in a great deal of thought into the back story of Angela Petrelli and believes that her relationship with Linderman (Malcolm McDowel) and Kaito Nakamua (George Takei) goes a lot farther than anyone else knows.

“I just decided Nathan was my son with him [McDowell], and Milo [] from Arthur [Petrelli]. We all met at Woodstock, done acid and became heroes. Hiro is my child with Kaito cause I think there is something there.”

Only four scenes for “Heroes” volume three have been filmed, including HRG (Jack Coleman), Elle (Kristen Bell) and Rose herself discussing a group of new mysterious villains that are “worse than 12 Sylars.” The scenes were originally supposed to be part of the twelfth episode of the second season but were forced back as a result of the writers strike.

“Heroes” returns to NBC for its third volume in the fall.

Anders: Villain Will Be Back In 'Heroes' Vol. 3 (http://www.syfyportal.com/news424833.html)

Normally when people are buried, they stay buried. Fortunately, Takezo Kensei isn’t like most people.

When we last saw him on NBC’s “Heroes,” evil samurai Kensei -- also known as Adam -- was buried alive thanks to the time-traveling hero wannabe Hiro Nakamura (Masi Oka). In Season 3 though, David Anders will definitely be back.

“I believe so, yeah. I hope so. I know I'm going to be in one of the first six so ... .” Anders told SyFy Portal’s Alan Stanley Blair at this weekend's Eclipse event in the United Kingdom. “But after that, it's called 'Villains,' and I am an uber-villain.”

And if Anders has his way, the return of the “misunderstood” Adam certainly won’t involve a coffin or being buried alive again because he found that one of the most difficult things he has ever done.

“It was the most frightening experience ever,” he later told fans. “I was in a three-sided satin coffin, between two pieces of glass. I had to contort my body like David Blaine.”

In the third volume of the series, the villains of the show will get a chance to show just how bad they can be. Among them are Adam, Angela Petrelli (Christine Rose), 12 new characters still to be revealed and also someone that Anders feels he would struggle to live up to: the infamous power-snatching Sylar (Zachary Quinto).

“Sylar is hard to beat. Sylar’s eyebrows alone … ,” he added with a laugh. “Adam is just misunderstood. ‘When God wasn’t happy with what he’d created he made it rain for 40 days and 40 nights. He just washed it all away.’ I love my lines.”

[Just Jeans]

Heroes could be in trouble (http://www.syfyportal.com/news424888.html) if the SAG strike happens.

NBC’s "Heroes" was forced to cut its second season down to 13 episodes as a result of the picketing writers, however if things don’t change in the way actors get paid the serious could end up in worse trouble.

Back in February, the Screen Actors Guild hinted that there is potential for a strike on the horizon over the renewal of actor contacts, but would only take the action if it would benefit its members, whose contracts expire June 31.

Speaking with fans at the recent Eclipse event in the United Kingdom last month, "Heroes" star Sendhil Ramamurthy revealed that the possibility of SAG going on strike could essentially kill the series. Bit the actor is hopeful that negotiations will stop that from happening.

"Hopefully producers and SAG will get together and sort something out," he told fans at the event. "My last scene [on 'Heroes'] was filmed on Oct. 23 so I’m hoping we’ll get something together cause I’d really like to get back to work."

During the strike, projects were few and far between for Ramamurthy … but he was able to pass the time through sports.

"My tennis game got really good. I was playing all the time," he joked. "Things have to be changed on the way writers and actors are paid. And hopefully something will be done otherwise you might loose the show again for a while."

At the moment, SAG has about 120,000 members with the Federation of Television and Radio Artists following suit with approximately 70,000. About 40,000 actors also have dual membership.

[NiteMare Shape]

oh no....not another strike....I didn't like the way that sounded. :eek:

[TheShowstoppa]

Screw that! Welp... No more Heroes if this plays true to be. Ugh...

[The One and Only]

If the Writers' Strike didn't do in Hollywood, this could possibly finish it off...:eek:

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

Oh Jesus...not ANOTHER strike on the Horizon. :mad:

God Damn it...well, if this is the case, I really wouldn't be surprised.

Which means...HEROES is more than likely DEAD.

Damn...

[CosmoBubba]

Great, another damn strike looming. If I were the studios, I'd just go ahead and give the unions whatever they wanted right now and avoid fucking up any more productions.

[Just Jeans]

'Heroes' Returns Sans 'Origins' Sidekick (http://www.syfyportal.com/news424894.html)

"Heroes" returns in just a few months with its third season, but sadly network executives have confirmed that its spinoff, "Heroes: Origins," is officially deceased.

The highly anticipated "Heroes: Origins" was originally created to eliminate repeats of "Heroes." It had an impressive list of writers and directors on board including Kevin Smith, Eli Roth, Michael Dougherty and John August.

The spinoff would have introduced a new character each week and viewers would have selected one to stay in the next season of "Heroes." Tim Kring had even told G4 in an interview a few months ago that the first episode would have revealed the secrets and meanings behind the helix symbol.

But plans changed when the Writers Guild of America strike shut down Hollywood and "Heroes" saw a ratings drop.

"We were taxing our creative team to do too much around that," Ben Silverman, co-chairman of NBC Entertainment and Universal Media Studios, said during the network's upfront presentation to advertisers in New York. "We wanted 35 'Heroes' [episodes] and 12 'Heroes: Origins,' each of which was supposed to be a mini-movie and backdoor pilot. We reached far and challenged our people, and we decided it was better to focus on keeping the 'Heroes' mothership as strong as possible."

The third season will be called "Villains," the name originally slated for the second part of Season 2. Tim Kring confirmed what the name hints, that it will introduce a group of villains to the show. Among them are Sylar, Adam, Angela Petrelli, and possibly up to a dozen more new characters.

"On Monday, Sept. 15, we'll kick off with a 'Heroes' clip show to try to bring back the audience and [then air] a massive two-hour 'Heroes' film," Silverman said.

Heroes will air Mondays at 9 p.m. ET on NBC starting Sept. 15.

[TheShowstoppa]

Great news! A 2 hour premiere?! Holy fuckin' shit!

I just hope we learn who assassinated Nathan Petrelli. We know his mom had something to do with it - but what?! GOD - I'm going to hop on Netflix and start watching ALL of seasons 1 & 2. There's 30 + episode and 5 months to watch them... that's an average of 6 a month. Not bad. I'll get too far ahead and watch them all - which isn't unlikely - but I can't wait now!!!

[CosmoBubba]

I'm waiting for the Heroes version of the Legion of Doom, just because that would rule.

But the idea of adding up to a dozen more characters... I don't know. They added quite a few characters in Season Two, and the only ones that were any good were Bob, Elle, and Adam Monroe.

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

HEROES Season 2 on DVD and Blu-ray August 26th

And Season One is going to be re-released on Blu-Ray on the same day.

[TheShowstoppa]

From Here (http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Ausiello-Report/Ausiello-Scoop-Fnls/800038878)

OK, maybe this week won't be completely doom-and-gloomy after all.

Sources confirm to me exclusively that the enchanting Brea Grant — who made quite the impression as Landry's short-lived rebound girl on Friday Night Lights — is joining the cast of Heroes next season as The Speedster.

As you'll recall, last month I reported that Heroes was casting the role of Joy, who's "quick on her feet — and adept at getting herself into and out of trouble."

Let me be the first to congratulate Tim Kring and his team on a job very well done. Who's going to be the second?

Also from Here. (http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Ausiello-Report/Ausiello-Scoop-Bruce/800039151)
(No Spoiler tags because there's no plot details to give away.)

I've got more exclusive Heroes casting news for you guys to dissect during this, the longest hiatus in TV history!

Bruce Boxleitner, who played Scarecrow to Sabrina Duncan's Mrs. King in the mid-80s, has snagged a top-secret recurring role that was originally going to be modeled after Sen. John McCain. The character has since been reconceived, and now all I know for sure is that he'll be sharing scenes with a female series regular.

By the way, although it may seem like Heroes is getting ready to force-feed us another batch of newbies, an NBC insider insists that's definitely not the case. Yes, the show is introducing some new faces next season, but the primary focus, my source maintains, will remain "on the core characters from the pilot."

I think I speak for Heroes fans everywhere when I say, Hallelufreakinlujah

[Just Jeans]

Greatest American Hero Now Just A Hero (http://www.syfyportal.com/news425124.html)

Beware a character spoiler in the article (tagged for your convenience).

Believe it or not, William Katt is walking on air. That's because the one-time "Greatest American Hero" has made his way to another NBC show two decades later: "Heroes."

"I just filmed it last week," Katt told Newsarama. "I play a really, really wonderful, seedy, smarmy-mouthed reporter that goes after Ali Larter. It was a lot of fun."

Katt, who played the title role in the 1980s NBC series as Ralph Hinkley, said he's been a fan of "Heroes" since the very first episode, and thanks to his friendship with Greg Beeman, he has joined other cult favorites in a guest role on the series that has included George Takei, Nichelle Nichols and Joanna Cassidy.

"Tim Kring is just an extraordinary writer," Katt said. "I think there's no end to his creativity. ['Heroes'] is a more dark and seedy look at the world of superheroes. It's offering to television viewers what some of the better comic books do."

Katt won't wear a red suit, nor does he have any powers. But he's definitely open to donning the red pajamas once again.

"If Robert Downey can get into a hero suit, then what the heck?" Katt said. "I'm ready to jump back into the spandex, you know? They have to do something about the crotch, though. It sags."

Beeman directed the SyFy Genre Award-nominated episode "Four Months Ago," which some say prominently display the Japanese word for "center" that also happens to be the symbol on Katt's costume in "Greatest American Hero." The symbol showed up more than once on tombstones around the cemetery, and was very prominent during Hiro's (Masi Oka) eulogy to his father, played by Takei.

Katt, who turned 57 last February according to IMDb, does a lot of voiceover work and guest appearances on television shows. He also appeared as Eddie Aldrich in the 2002 "Andromeda" episode "For Whom The Bell Tolls."

I KNEW that Nikki didn't die in that explosion.

[The One and Only]

Welcome to Level 5. (http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/07/18/heroes-welcome-to-level-5/) Hope we survive.

[TheShowstoppa]

OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm so glad they're back to exploring the alternate reality explored in season 1! (The final scene where Claire says, "I'm sorry Peter, I always loved you.")

Villians is going to be the best series of Heroes YET. (Can't be any worse than season 2!) I think I'll go online and rewatch season 2 on Netflix before this premiere. By the way - anyone at all surprised that Peter's brother isn't DEAD?! I KNEW KNEW KNEW it was a set up!

[The One and Only]

From the San Diego Comic Con, or as it's referred to by the general public, the Geek Pride Parade. Some stuff from the HEROES panel, along with spoilerific tidbits from the season premiere, (http://www.newsarama.com/tv/080726-heroes-panel.html)

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

Bumping this thread, to reinstate hype. :)
NOTE: The Thread title date should be changed to September 22nd.

So, originally I didn't enjoy Season 2 when it aired on Television. But, I spent half of my Saturday chilling out watching my Season 2 DVD. Hey, it was terrible outside, I had nothing better to do.

And I ended up enjoying it this time around, watching the episodes back to back. It actually wasn't that bad of a season, if you could look past a few things. The Special Features are alright here and there, especially the "untold stories" on Disc 4.

Now...with Season 3 hitting the air the next few weeks, here's some hype for THAT.

Source, TV GUIDE:

Serial killer Sylar will return this season to Heroes during its highly anticipated two-hour premiere. But, will we see more of his pre-evil alter ego, Gabriel Gray?

According to Zachary Quinto, he'd love to see as much of Sylar's background as possible. He confirmed that Gray will return this season, revisiting the "shades of that character as you first saw him."

In "Volume 3: Villains," creator Tim Kring intimates that by using Gray, the show will continue to "peel the layers off of that onion as long as this character exists on the show."


Also, from an interview with Allan Arkush:
1) Arkush is director of Episode 3x08
2) Season 3 is different because more characters together, faster pace with more revelations
3) Heroes become corrupted, some will join together that you never expected.
4) Several characters will have new partners you never expected including HRG, Claire, and Sylar.
5) Every variation of Villains and Heroes. Villains as individuals and as a group.
6) More focus on original cast.
7) Some villains will be under control of new arch villain.
8) Characters you never expected are coming back.
9) Episode 3x08 will fill in holes from Season 1 all the way through Season 3.
10) Hiro and Claire have never had a scene together.
11) Elle and Sylar have a storyline together
12) Episode 3x02 tops Episode 3x01

And, here's a great Season 3 Sneak peak, with some spoilers of course.
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[Just Jeans]

Just read that Volume 4 (the second half of season 3) will be called "Fugitives":

The name of Volume Four was revealed by Heroes creator Tim Kring at the 2008 Edinburgh TV Festival. "Fugitives" will make up the last 12 episodes of Season 3.

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

Latest Season 3 Spoilers from Premiere Launch Party:

Yesterday was the Launch Party for Season 3 of Heroes and E! Online's Kristin was at the event to cover it and was able to get some spoilery tidbits from some of the cast members that were in attendance.

A couple of the new tidbits we learn are that in Episode 3x05 we find out about the significance of the "formula" that Daphne (the speedster) steals from Hiro in the Season Premiere and that Linderman was the one to recruit her.


Well here are all the details:

1) According to Tim Kring, all the new characters fold into existing main character storylines, rather than having their own stories right off the bat. (Can I get a hell yes?)

2) Hiro (Masi Oka) and Ando (James Kyson Lee) are together again, on a quest for the mysterious "Formula" (the significance of which will be explained in episode five). According to Lee, their mission takes them to Bora Bora, Zimbabwe and lovely downtown Bakersfield, Calif.

3) According to Ali Larter, there is "something of a scientific basis" for the explanation of how Niki (who was killed in a fire in the season-two finale) and Tracy Strauss (her current character) appear to be identical.

4) According to Malcolm McDowell, it was Linderman who recruited the Speedster (Brea Grant) to be a minion of evil.

5) It's OK with Adrian Pasdar if you want to call him President Petrelli.

If you have seen the promos and previous spoilers, you will know Matt is stuck in the middle of the desert. It seems like he will meet and African bushman with powers to paint the future like Issac. Apparently Matt will learn that in the future everyone will fly. This hints that humans will evolve or perhaps Mohinder's super serum does get out and everyone gains an ability to fly.

Kristin also hints at Tracy' potential power hinting she might kill a reporter (William Katt) by accident and then hints she might be Niki's twin. After one of the most recent sneak peeks we see Tracy open a coffin and see herself or Niki in it, thus pretty much confirming a storyline about twins or a time line crossed.

[Scarecrow]

So many spoilers! You guys, what's the point of knowing so much before you see the damn thing! :p

Still waiting on the BBC to annoucne when they're showing this...


- Scarecrow

[Just Jeans]

There's really not very much information at all behind those spoiler tags. It's all stuff the cast and crew themselves have revealed, so technically not even spoilers then. It's just hype. :)

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

Yeah, I put the spoiler tags in there just in case the smallest thing could be a spoiler for someone.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/SMoyajw6XAI/AAAAAAAAdjo/_QXm3xeWdLA/s1600/NUP_130945_0740.JPG

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/SMqLL62lyXI/AAAAAAAAdn4/tY8bUeiBDds/s1600/NUP_130946_0285.JPG

[Livingdeadboy]

Greatest American Hero Now Just A Hero (http://www.syfyportal.com/news425124.html)

Beware a character spoiler in the article (tagged for your convenience).



I KNEW that Nikki didn't die in that explosion.

actually,the character she plays is not nikki, and not a different personality. so as of right now, until the writers say otherwise, she DID die. sorry.

[Just Jeans]

Yes, I realize this now. But that information wasn't made available until well after I made the post you quoted.

[WOLF]

Saresh must die. I hate every second he's on the screen. He's so fucking stupid it hurts.

[The One and Only]

Does anyone think Moehinder when he was hanging from the cieling going to turn into Jeff Goldblum ?:duh:

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

Oh My God, I loved tonight's episodes.

:D

They're definitely off to a great start.:)

[Livingdeadboy]

Does anyone think Moehinder when he was hanging from the cieling going to turn into Jeff Goldblum ?:duh:

I thought the same thing. it was an obvious homage to the fly. it had to be.

[Jack Bauer]

Although he has similar stuff with Spider-Man though...

Anyway all of the stuff was great expect Sylar being reveled as a half-brother to Pete and Nathan.

[Uncle Hugo]

Well that was the happiest two hours I've had in a long time.

[ZPowers]

The first hour seemed a little much. I liked the second hour. By the by, as you all know I love this (not Heroes, I just like Heroes) show: The black guy who escaped from the prison was a major character on The Wire.

[Scarecrow]

It's hitting the UK in justa couple of weeks! Can't wait! :D


- Scarecrow

[Just Jeans]

I liked Moehinder in season 1. In season 2, I was beginning to dislike him. Season 3 is only two episodes in, and already I wish he'd vanish for a while. Such a pity.

Otherwise, that was a cracking way to spend two hours. Definitely off to a strong start, and delivering exactly what they promised. Can't believe Sylar is related to the Patrelli's.

[TheShowstoppa]

With the way they keep throwing things around with its twists and turns, Heroes is NBC's equal to Lost. I seriously have no idea where they're taking this show from one moment to the next and the fact that the revelations revealed in this last episode threw me for more of a loop, I have just as many freaking questions as I did when the damn show STARTED!

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

If anyone missed the two premiere episodes, they are replaying them again this Saturday at 8pm on NBC.

[Just Jeans]

Heroes works for me on every level that LOST failed. My interest in LOST was exhausted by midway through season 1. I think the reason Heroes appeals to me more is because of the show's ability to wrap up a series of unanswered questions before asking more. It seems like LOST just kept piling them on, and I got bored with that pretty fast.

[CosmoBubba]

Heroes works for me on every level that LOST failed. My interest in LOST was exhausted by midway through season 1. I think the reason Heroes appeals to me more is because of the show's ability to wrap up a series of unanswered questions before asking more. It seems like LOST just kept piling them on, and I got bored with that pretty fast.

I'm still waiting for the question "Whatever happened to Caitlyn? Is she dead or stuck in the future with no way back to her own time or what?" to be answered. That is, unless they answered it and I missed it.

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

Cosmo, as much I would love to see them answer that question (because I actually liked her), I highly doubt they will.

But it would still be nice though.

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[Just Jeans]

I'm still waiting for the question "Whatever happened to Caitlyn? Is she dead or stuck in the future with no way back to her own time or what?" to be answered.

That's pretty much the only lingering question that bothers me. I think had season 2 not imploded due to the strike, it may have been sorted out.

Presumably, she's stuck in the future because modern day Peter is still unable to go there and save her.

[Just Jeans]

So I just watched episode 3x02. Good stuff! And I've got a theory about Sylar and how pleasant he's being to Peter in the teaser for tonight's episode. I reckon that four years in the future, Sylar has returned to being plain old Gabriel and is completely reformed.
ADDED:
Incidentally, I've just found out that the girl who plays Daphne -- Brea Grant -- is from Marshall. That's practically right down the road, a friend of mine lives in Marshall. :o

Brea's cute. I should try to chat her up some time. :lol:

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

Brea (Daphne) definitely is a cutie. I'm really likin' her character, too.


But...I've still got a spot for Elle. :D

[DrLar]

So I just watched episode 3x02. Good stuff! And I've got a theory about Sylar and how pleasant he's being to Peter in the teaser for tonight's episode. I reckon that four years in the future, Sylar has returned to being plain old Gabriel and is completely reformed.
ADDED:
Incidentally, I've just found out that the girl who plays Daphne -- Brea Grant -- is from Marshall. That's practically right down the road, a friend of mine lives in Marshall. :o

Brea's cute. I should try to chat her up some time. :lol:

Specially after just watching "Forgetting Sarah Marshall", Kristen Bell is so nice... although Mila Kunis has her own cuteness..

Too bad she wasn't it last night, where is she BTW?

[Just Jeans]

I think Elle may have been written out for the time being (via Angela Petrelli firing her).

Having looked on Wikipedia, this is written there:

Bell has said in interviews that in later episodes of Heroes, "You'll find out that Elle holds the key to Claire's future" and that Elle has "a [present] with Peter and a past with Claire's dad and a future with Claire".

Kristen Bell has five episodes left on her Heroes guest star contract.

Incidentally, did I call the Sylar thing or what? :o Best part of the episode, that was. I knew they wouldn't be able to resist the temptation to make Sylar a less traditionally evil character. I prefer it when there's a gray area to villainy, and it's about time they introduce that idea with Sylar.

[Cody]

Season 3 has inherited season 2's ratings problem, starting with the premiere (http://tvblog.ugo.com/index.php/tvblog/more/heroes_season_premiere_falters_in_the_ratings_but_ how_much)

Things aren't looking good for Heroes; After a lackluster second season that was cut short due to the Writer's Strike, the ratings for the heavily-promoted third season are down anywhere from twenty-three to forty-two percent from last season, depending on who you ask. How does that work? Well, NBC applied a new Nielsen rule last season that combined that ratings of the first run Monday episode and the encore Saturday episode, giving it a second season debut of 17 million. Now that the third season premiere has bombed, NBC is trying to spin things as best they can and say that the second season only had 13.94 million viewers; number of the Monday showing only; and thus the third season only lost 23 percent of viewers from last year (which, by the way, is still quite a lot). And if you use the 17 million number that NBC insisted on just a year ago and all the other networks are trying to hold them to while they dance on NBC's grave, it's a decrease of 42 percent. Ouch! Better watch Peter and the cheerleader and Sylar while you can, because if this keeps up there won't be another season.

and the numbers have dropped both following weeks.

Heroes falls (http://www.thrfeed.com/2008/10/monday-ratings.html)

In third, NBC showed across-the-board decline. Even with fifth-place CW in repeats last night, NBC’s two younger-skewing action dramas fell sharply yet again. "Chuck" (5.8 million, 2.3/8) dropped 15% and "Heroes" (8.2 million, 4.0/9) dropped 11%. At 10 p.m., "Life" (5.6 million, 2.2/6) also fell, down 19%.

Not to gawk at the overturned semi-truck on the freeway, but that "Heroes" number is startling -- a series low by far (as is "Chuck") and marking the show's third week of decline. The action series matched "How I Met Your Mother" (!) for the first time.

"Heroes" was NBC's strongest scripted series the past couple years and is now fading with alarmingly quickness. It's a clear problem ... without a clear solution. Episodes this season have continued the show's dense and sometimes difficult-to-follow mythology (here's Maureen Ryan throwing up her hands and giving up (http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2008/10/heroes-nbc-syla.html) on the show). That two-hour season premiere following a one-hour recap special felt like a headache-inducing mistake -- by the time you finished watching all three hours you've seen practically every character die and come back to life. Yet it still feels superior to last season. One can only hope the show has now established its third-week ratings bottom.

[Just Jeans]

I thought this season was off to an amazingly good start. I didn't think it'd be struggling so hard in the ratings. Pushing Daisies is having the same issue over on ABC. :misery:

(here's Maureen Ryan throwing up her hands and giving up (http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2008/10/heroes-nbc-syla.html) on the show).

On the plus side, she makes favorable mention of Doctor Who, for which she gets kudos.

[Scarecrow]

I hope Heroes manages. I hope at the least the series is allowed to finish it's third Season. But with the look of things, they should definitly see aboutwrapping things up at the end of the season. :(


- Scarecrow

[Just Jeans]

I got serious issues with Monday's episode.

Okay, so I don't mind the notion that Sylar can be reformed. I like those sorts of story lines. But it strikes me odd that they don't seem to be treating his "hunger" for knowledge. They're more or less letting him attempt to control it himself, which seems odd because he's never shown any sort of restraint in the past.

Furthermore, what in the holy hell is up with Hiro running Ando through with a sword? :eek: He spends three weeks accusing Ando of turning on him in the future, and then he's the one who draws first blood? Okay, granted, I saw that coming... but it seemed really out of character for Hiro to do what he did. Maybe with a steady stream of coaxing over the course of a couple of episodes, sure... but for him to stab Ando after being asked to do it a single time? What were they thinking? I honestly think they did it just for the shock value.

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

I don't see the Hiro and Ando situation being over just yet. I see Hiro going back in time a few mins to change things, so that Ando doesn't die. But yes, if they don't go that way with it, it was definitely just for shock value.

And honestly, as much as I am loving this season, I can't help but see these things happening:

1) Adam will die and not return.
2) Maya will also die
3) Evil Mohinder will capture Nathan and Tracy, and experiment the shit out of them.
4) We will learn how and why Claire is "different"
5.) Pinehearst is the rival to The Company and is being run by two of the Heroes fathers. Based on last nights episode I am assuming the two fathers are Arthur and Maury.
6.) Claire will team up with her mom to help rescue Meredith and I see Meredith sharing her flaming super power with another relative.


*shrug*

[Nightstalker]

Another great episode last night.This has been a pretty good season so far.I was shocked by the ending though.Can't wait to see next week's episode.

[Just Jeans]

I don't see the Hiro and Ando situation being over just yet. I see Hiro going back in time a few mins to change things, so that Ando doesn't die.

I was thinking he might do something like that, too. But even that would still be out of character, because Hiro has spent the whole season refusing to go backwards in time to change things, for fear of messing things up worse.
ADDED:
'Heroes' Welcomes A Ratings Uptick (http://www.syfyportal.com/news425465.html)

A few of last week's viewers were found, but "Heroes" continues it struggle to return to its first (and even second) season prominence.

Monday's episode earned a 5.2 rating/8 share, according to Fast National ratings from Nielsen Media Research. That was 4 percent over last week's series low, and 40.5 percent better than its "Chuck" lead-in. However, it's still 6 percent off its Season 3 average so far this year, and 21 percent below Season 2's average.

"Chuck," however, is in deeper trouble. So far this season, the sophomore comedy is averaging a 3.8 rating, down nearly 21 percent from its first year average.

Both shows did little to help NBC against its competitors, Zap2it reported. NBC finished fourth with a 4.5/7, but almost tied Fox -- which aired the Major League Baseball's National League Championship Series between the Philadelphia Phillies and the Los Angeles Dodgers -- in total viewers.

NBC did a bit better with adults 18 to 49, tying ABC for second with a 3.2 behind a 4.0 from CBS.

In terms of audience stability, both "Heroes" and "Chuck" faltered a bit, but both remain within the 90 percentile, based on a comparison of the show's average rating versus its overnight high as compiled by SyFy Portal.

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

Well apparently the Hiro and Ando situation is being resolved next week. There was a set report from BuddyTV back in September which confirms that Hiro teleports himself to a Japanese magic shop for a trick sword and some fake blood.

Well there you go...Ando looks dead, but is NOT dead.

Yes, this is another one of the many loop holes that are opened up with an ability to time travel, but it is Heroes and this is a SciFi show.

[WOLF]

The show still doesn't seem right to me. I don't like that these powers are very ordinary. Everybody has power. So much crazy stuff is going on that I think I'm becoming numb to it. I did like the Linderman ending.

[Just Jeans]

There was a set report from BuddyTV back in September which confirms that Hiro teleports himself to a Japanese magic shop for a trick sword and some fake blood.

I knew it! Ha!

Oh, did I call that! I even explained it to my best friend on the night, but he said, "That's too complicated. They'd never do that."

Again, I say - HA!

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

I so called Adam dying, I just had no idea that it would Happen THAT Soon. That really sucks too, because I really liked his character.

And...DAMN....I had a feeling Arthur was going to do something to Peter when he hugged him, I just had no idea he would actually take all of his own sons powers. He truly is an evil character. I Love it! :D

And in case you missed it, here's the preview for next weeks episode:
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[Psychoticninja]

Wow, i'm not going to lie, calling this season Villans was no joke. Every week i'm amazed at how kick ass this show is and theyre answering questions and progressing with the story very nicely. UNLIKE LAST SEASON where we were confused as hell what was going on, this season... wow, i'm just being blown away.

So, who is truly the evil one, Mr. Patrelli or Mrs. Patrelli? Because she's no saint herself

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

I'm gonna have to say Arthur Patrelli on that one, namely because He's been the one pulling strings from the beginning, or so it seems. But, so hasn't Angela.

It's a toss up, really.

[Just Jeans]

I totally called Hiro faking Ando's death. I'd pretty much spun that very scenario in my head before the credits ended the week before last.

I'm not pleased at all about Adam's death. :mad: What a waste of a good character.

Haven't watched tonight's episode yet.

[Cody]

'Heroes' duo get the ax (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117995152.html?categoryid=14&cs=1)

Big shakeup on the staff of NBC's "Heroes" came down on Sunday with the axing of co-exec producers Jesse Alexander and Jeph Loeb.

Both scribe-producers had been with the show since its first season and were known to have led the day-to-day production operation under the direction of creator/exec producer Tim Kring.

"Heroes," produced by Universal Media Studios, has struggled in the ratings its third season. It's understood that Alexander and Loeb were let go because of Peacock execs' frustration with the creative direction of the show.

The show is also said to have been grappling with hefty budget overruns this season, that are going well beyond its already sizable $4 million per-seg pricetag.
ADDED:
I didn't have as big of a problem with season 2 as most, but season 3 has done nothing for me so far. (Though I'm a couple weeks behind.) I've found no story to be interested in and no reason to care about what they're showing me.

The last episode I watched ended with Robert Forster showing up and kicking some ass, though, so that was promising.

[Cody]

Tim Kring refocuses 'Heroes' (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117995212.html?categoryid=14&cs=1)

The catchphrase from the first season of "Heroes" was "save the cheerleader." This season, it could be "save the scripts."
With the NBC fantasy-drama taking a hit in the ratings and falling short creatively in the eyes of many fans and crix, series creator-exec producer Tim Kring has been under pressure to make some changes. There's been a feeling that he's delegated too much responsibility for writing and story development to his top writing lieutenants, co-exec producers Jesse Alexander and Jeph Loeb.

On Sunday, at the prodding of NBC execs, Kring made the tough call to let Alexander and Loeb go from the show that the duo had helped shepherd since season one. Kring has assured NBC and Universal Media Studios brass that he intends to focus on simplifying what's been criticized, even by ardent fans, as an overly complex storytelling structure to get back to the show's comicbookish good vs. evil themes and to emphasize character development more than plot twists.

Insiders close to the situation emphasize that Kring has been a hands-on and diligent showrunner. The big problem is that the show's large ensemble cast and intense f/x and post-production requirements suck up a lot of his time. And "Heroes," already one of primetime's priciest hours at $4 million-plus per seg, has been grappling with budget overruns.

Now, the thinking is that his focus is needed most in breaking stories and refining the tone of the show for the remainder of its third season.

"Heroes" is averaging 10.4 million viewers and 5.1 rating/12 share in adults 18-49 so far in its third season. That marks a 21% drop in total viewers and an 18% decline in adults 18-49 from its second season (which was cut short by the writers strike), even with delayed DVR viewing factored in. Nonetheless, it is NBC's highest-performing scripted series.

The multiplatform success of "Heroes" in its first season made Kring a sought-after speaker at industry events and confabs. He's traveled far and wide to tubthump the show and discuss its evolution through online extensions, vidgames, licensing and merchandising and other ancillary biz opportunities.

But one upcoming speaking event may now prove a little awkward: On Nov. 15, Kring is skedded to appear at the Screenwriting Expo at the L.A. Convention Center, with Alexander and Loeb.

[The One and Only]

The problems continue to gangpile on Heroes. UBISoft just announced that they're dropping the planned Heroes-Video Game. (http://www.newsarama.com/games/110807-HeroesGame.html)

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

Why does None the latest happenings in the world of HEROES surprise me at all?

Seriously, as much as I am enjoying Season 3 so far...they're continuing to jump the shark. They need to get back on their game and tune back into what made the series enjoyable in the first place.

[Scarecrow]

Holy Hell, haven't read above as I'm at UK pace but the last epsidoe I saw...

Evil Mr Petrelli steals Peter's powers... holy hell.... this series kicked off. Poor Adam, though he was an evil murdering bastard, even he didn't deserve that fate.


- Scarecrow

[Cody]

Creator Tim Kring on the difficulty of serialized drama (http://tv.ign.com/articles/931/931067p1.html)

There was a lot of drama leading up to the Heroes panel at Creative Screenwriting's 2008 Screenwriting Expo this past weekend. Originally, the panel was scheduled to include series creator Tim Kring, along with producer/writers Jeph Loeb and Jesse Alexander… except Loeb and Alexander were then let go from the series shortly before the Expo. The word kept changing on what would occur for what now sounded like a potentially awkward panel. At one point Kring dropped out, and Loeb and Alexander were going to appear without him. In the end though, Kring appeared solo, and it was hard not to wonder how much the discussion –- meant to be on the Heroes writing process – would instead turn to the notable changes behind the scenes.

The answer turned out to be that there wouldn't be any talk of this at all. The moderator introduced the panel noting the intention was to keep it focused on writing and not on personnel changes, and that's exactly what occurred. It was hard to not think there was too much of a mandate to keep things drama-free though, as there weren't even any direct questions given about the considerable criticism Heroes has faced of late.

Going back to the origins of the show, Kring explained how he had recognized that NBC did not have any sort of ensemble, serialized drama, in the wake of the success of shows like 24 and Lost. Having come from procedural series, including his own Crossing Jordan, Kring said he saw an opportunity there when he conceived of Heroes, which was "a completely different animal" from his previous work.

He joked that quickly he wondered, "What was I thinking?" noting that a serialized show is "an absolute bear to do." Kring said he's also finding, "It's a very flawed way of telling stories on network television right now, because of the advent of the DVR and online streaming. The engine that drove [serialized TV] was you had to be in front of the TV [when it aired]. Now you can watch it when you want, where you want, how you want to watch it, and almost all of those ways are superior to watching it on air. So [watching it] on air is related to the saps and the dips**ts who can't figure out how to watch it in a superior way."

Kring said no final ending for Heroes has been conceived, noting, "We didn't have an island to get off of." On top of that, Kring noted that "My original idea was more of an anthological vibe to it, where you regenerate the characters."

Kring explained he had thought they could almost completely replace the characters each season, remarking, "I was primarily fascinated by the origin story. Once the original story is over, and the character has no more questions about what's happening or existential drama, then the questions become just about plot, and then it becomes harder for me personally to connect to."

However, Kring continued that, "The problem is you run into a whole series of issues, where show and business run into each other. The network falls in love with characters, the audience falls in love with characters, the press falls in love with characters. And it's contractually hard to get people onboard for a brief period." As a result, Kring said, "You find yourself writing for characters you thought would be gone."

Asked if the audience reaction ever influences the stories, Kring replied, "It's never directly, because we're so far ahead of them. We were shooting episode 13 [the final chapter of the current volume, "Villains"] when we launched [Season 3]. Any feedback by the audience is irrelevant in terms of that. But bigger trends you want to follow."

Kring feels that gauging the reaction to a story "is generally not very calculable. It's the old adage, 'That's why god made chocolate and vanilla.' What one person loves, somebody else hates. It's really hard to discern 'Is that a trend or one guy's opinion?' Reading chat boards can be a study in futility, as far as that's concerned."

Kring said that he felt the shorter "Volumes" Heroes does now, as opposed to season-long arcs, allows them to tell new or more casual viewers "every couple of months, 'come on in, the water's fine.' You can hop on the train and you won't have missed too much."

Heroes is written in an unusual manner, with each writer assigned to a different storyline (usually sticking with one character or pairing of characters). Kring explained how that worked when it came to the credited writer for an episode. After breaking the story and coming up with outlines, a first draft is assembled from all the different writers' elements. Kring said the first draft, "Is usually pretty hideous and has all sorts of problems and [notes are given] on it for better part of a day. Then, the same people go back and polish scenes." At this point, when the script is reassembled, "The writer of record takes it and now owns it and goes through the entire process from their end – draft to production, then studio, then network and has to own it from there on out, taking notes and [dealing with] production issues. That writer takes it through, and speaks for the script through prep and production. By the end, that writer, I think, usually has a real sense of ownership." That being said, Kring revealed that, "This season I've written five episodes so far, all by myself."

The discussion turned to "Exodus," the volume originally planned to follow last year's "Generations," until the writers' strike occurred. Kring noted several episodes of that storyline had actually been written, before the decision was made to nix it and re-shoot the ending of "Generations" so that a deadly plague is not released. Kring said "Exodus" would have been "Kind of overblown with tanks and people in hazmat suits."

An audience member asked about Caitlin, Peter Petrelli's love interest from Season 2, who was last seen left behind in a plague-stricken future – a future that thanks to the re-shot end of "Generations," doesn't exist. Kring revealed that if the strike hadn't cut Season 2 short, the plan was, "to get to [Caitlin] around episode 14 or 15, during 'Exodus'. She was a casualty of that storyline never being told." After the long hiatus during which Heroes was off the air, Kring said, "We realized that going back to [Caitlin] nine and a half months later would have been insanity." He felt that while there would "be some people asking about it, but for most people it would have been a hard left [in the story]." When the fan asked if Peter would ever acknowledge Caitlin or express any grief over what seems to be her dire fate, Kring replied, "No, we passed it. We leapfrogged it." He added that when the idea of returning to Caitlin was brought up, they asked, "Really? Are we going to risk that? We have enough stuff to [deal with]."

There was a planned spinoff of Heroes, Heroes: Origins, that also fell by the wayside thanks to the strike. Kring said that would have been an opportunity to go back to the more anthology based version of Heroes he'd first envisioned, as each episode would have been an independent story about a new character. He said he loved the idea of Origins, but after the strike, "the only thing that became important was getting Heroes back on the air."

That being said, Kring said he was "very interested in a more standalone version of Heroes. I think the show needs to move towards that in order to survive. I think the serialized format is very challenging on network television."

Another fan asked about Claire Bennet and her ability to heal others with her blood. Kring said a plot point like that, "Gives us freedom and then it screws us up. What often happens on a show like this is you often get boxed in – you set a fuse of something that's just too easy to use. A weapon that's just too sharp. Then you have to blunt it again. You have to figure out ways to take it away, once you've put it out there." Kring said another example of that is Peter Petrelli, who got to the point where "he's so powerful that there's no challenge for the character. So now we've found ways to wipe that out and bring him back to normal again."

Asked what he would do differently, looking back, Kring said, "It's very hard to be peoples' friends and colleague at the same time you're the boss. It's a constant struggle. I was a very reluctant boss." Kring referenced all of the various places his attention has been pulled in with Heroes, including all its various cross promotions and multimedia tie-ins and said that if he could do it all again, "I would probably delegate more responsibilities earlier, so it doesn't take so long [for others] learn it."

When it comes to time travel as a plot point, Kring said, "I'd encourage everyone to avoid it. It's a minefield that will make your mind explode. It will just drive you crazy. That's been something we've tried to use with a certain amount of rules - Not being able to change the future unless you go back. That device has been one of those that's just been so complicated for us." He added that when it comes to time travel, "We are taking a little hiatus from that for the next 12 episodes," referring to the next volume, "Fugitives."

Kring said he saw "Fugitives" as a chance "for us to wipe the table [clean]." Kring revealed that the big question that storyline centers on is, "What happens when our people have to go underground and go back to being normal after two and a half years of being superheroes?"

Asked what super power he'd like himself, Kring drew laughs, answering, "Time travel, so you can go back and correct all the mistakes you've made!" Kring went on to say, "I cannot stress enough the imperfect science that making a show is." He noted that on Heroes, "We often have three different directors working on any given day," and scenes from certain episodes shot months apart, because " Actors are not available, so you drop them in later. I have crazy stories on how this big giant mess is made every week. Once you get on the assembly line and you're cranking it out at the pace that we're doing, it's kind of a miracle that more stuff doesn't go wrong."

This will be a welcome relief -

when it comes to time travel, "We are taking a little hiatus from that for the next 12 episodes," referring to the next volume, "Fugitives."

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

It's been three seasons now, and I hate to admit this but..."Heroes" has probably some of the worst writing I've ever seen on a TV series.

It's written like a bad comic...and its a show. The should have stopped trying to not be the X-men and just held the X-men down and ripped them off. They try too hard not to be X-Men, but the concept is way to similar to ignore.

There is an episode from Season One and in it Sylar says he kills people with powers because they don't deserve them. In Season Three he's saying it's because of his hunger for knowledge and power. At first I thought this was weird but then I started remembering a million other inconsistent things and realized that Sylar's thing was the tip of a bullshit iceberg.

It's like everyone took the retard pill in the middle of Season Two.
They'll need to use the entirety of Season Four to tie up loose ends and plot holes for me to be able to care anymore, or retcon it so that everything that happened after the middle of season 2 was a lie.

Mohinder completely forgot his reason for being a scientist in the first place and became an evil fly looking motherfucker and at least three other characters disappeared and show no signs of coming back.

Mohinder's transformation was ridiculously forced.

I remember listening to an audio commentary from a Season One episode with the guy who plays him and he said he really hoped Mohinder didn't get powers because it would ruin his character.

Well, he was right. It did ruin him.

Poor guy has to get up at four in the morning just to have some burnt-lookin' moles attached to his neck and back and pretend he likes it. There is no transformation because he's no longer a character. He's a walking talking plot device that's evil in one episode, then good, then a mad scientist, then a mad mutant scientist, then the world's expert on vague human biology, etc...

Since the characters now act randomly and switch sides and argue amongst themselves at random.. there is no reason to care what happens to any of them.

This is how this shit is written.
Character X argues character Y, they split up but now character X teams up with character Z, although they hate each other. Meanwhile Claire hates/loves her father again. At the end of the episode, character Y is in a sticky situation.


Also (Source (http://www.nbcumv.com/entertainment/release_detail.nbc/entertainment-20081125000000-nbcannouncesschedu.html)):

This week NBC issued a press release for their new year schedule and Heroes Volume 4: Fugitives is currently listed to return in February. There is no official return date yet, but some reports initially had the show returning in January. So it seems like the show has been delayed a couple of weeks.

Feb. 2nd is the first Monday in in the month so that would be the earliest date for the show to return, but it is possible the show might return later in the month so the show ends during the "Sweeps" ratings period in May.


Also, a very interesting pic from episode 13 (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/SSvNjTOf2yI/AAAAAAAAsEA/irVmBUFdAYI/s1600/heroes00007.jpg)

[Cody]

Heroes has been a pain to get around to watching this year. The other night I was looking over the list of my latest DVR recordings, considered watching Heroes, then stopped myself with, "No, I want to watch something good." That is, something that I would get entertainment out of, which I haven't been getting from Heroes season 3. Which really sucks, because I loved s1.

Today I finally just took the show off the recording schedule and deleted the last episode without watching.

I give. Uncle.

[Just Jeans]

Perhaps you've said uncle a little too soon, Cody.

Heroes: The Plan to Fix the Show (http://tv.ign.com/articles/937/937513p1.html)

December 10, 2008 - Bryan Fuller confirms his return to Heroes in a new interview with EW.com's Michael Ausiello. The Pushing Daisies creator talks about where he thinks the show has gone wrong in his absence since he left at the end of Season 1, and what is being done in the next volume, "Fugitives," to set things right. It also turns out Fuller is coming back one episode earlier than expected – episode 19 of this season, rather than episode 20.

Fuller tells Ausiello he feels Heroes has become "too dense and fell into certain sci-fi trappings. For instance, in the 'Villains' arc, when you talk about formulas and catalysts, it takes the face off the drama. And I think the goal for everybody is to put a face back on the drama. You have to save something with a face; otherwise you don't understand what you're caring about." Fuller also assures Ausiello that the writers on the show already knew what was needed to be done to fix the show, before he returned.

As for "Fugitives," Fuller praises the work done by former co-executive producers Jeph Loeb and Jesse Alexander – who worked on several episodes of the story -- saying the new volume , "is a fresh start. All of the characters are back in their real lives. You see Peter as a paramedic. Claire is looking for colleges." That being said, after what he thinks is a strong start, Fuller does say the story "gets a little dense in the middle in terms of the mythology. So I came in right at the point where everybody was realizing, 'Oh, we're getting too dense here and we need to put faces on stories because there is no face to a formula; there is no face to saving the world.' So it's turning this big ship back into a character stream, and everyone on the writing staff shares that desire. We need to get back into a character place, because that's where this story started: Very clean, superhero metaphors to everyday."

Fuller also reveals, "People will die. And some will return. Matt's wife [Janice] comes back. We'll find out what happens when you have a superbaby."

As for those who feel Heroes jumps back and forth between stories without enough time developing for any one arc, Fuller remarks to Ausiello, "We're also going to tell fewer stories per episode. We're going to limit it to three or four with one big one that you can wrap the stories around. We're altering the structure of the show so that there's a very clear A story that takes up a larger percentage of the show so that that story gets traction."

Fuller says his working relationship with Heroes creator Tim Kring has been positive, though he insists Kring still has final say, noting, "I'm a consultant. My job is to help facilitate the vision of the show, and the vision has been a little inconsistent. But 'Fugitives' is such a great sea change. I think people who have been critical of Heroes will come back."

Fuller also says he intends to be a part of Season 4 of the show, which wasn't clear initially, under the terms of his new deal with Heroes producers Universal Media Studios.

Click here (http://tv.ign.com/articles/937/937390p1.html) to read more Heroes news Ausiello broke today, pertaining to casting.

[Jack Bauer]

All of the characters are back in their real lives. You see Peter as a paramedic. Claire is looking for colleges.
It's about time you'll see Peter as a EMT, or Claire being a grown up and heading off to college. I hope Noah is still around to see her go off, because he is much as a father to her then Nathan is really.

[NiteMare Shape]

It's interesting that they brought John Glover in to play Syler's father.

It could be very, very interesting.

[Just Jeans]

Wait, the Glover has joined the cast? Dude, I gotta get back into the show.

[NiteMare Shape]

yep. Here's a little bit of an article that I snagged from SHH. It contains some minor spoilers, so I'll tag them. (In fact, that's why I didn't include the whole article, way too many spoilers.

Entertainment Weekly is reporting that NBC has cast John Glover (Lex Luthor's dad on "Smallville") to play Sylar's father in "Heroes."

"When Sylar meets his father, he's going to see a path ahead of him that he doesn't want to take," says a source. "He has a lot more in common with his father than he realized."

The Tony award winner will turn up towards the end of "Heroes'" forthcoming "Fugitives" chapter.

[Jack Bauer]

If that's the case, that is something huge they pulled off.

[DrLar]

I'm hoping they fixed this show with the fugitives volume... Worf as president? interesting..

[Psychoticninja]

Barrack Obama cameod in the last Heroes woooot! Sorry, i just had to put that joke in there.....

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

Fuck yeah, the president was Warf!

http://bp1.blogger.com/_iBwFahDbK_M/SBVSL6rrS1I/AAAAAAAAACk/O4thOE_1dWI/s320/Warf.jpg

[Scarecrow]

Just hope Volume 4 is as good, if not better than, the brillaint "Villains". Not hated a villain as much as Arthur for a LONG time.


- Scarecrow

[Belse]

Ever since the show bogged down in Season 2, I've pretty much just been following the series because of Sylar, whom the writers have been treating too much like a yo-yo in Season 3 (the worst one so far - and this time around, there's not even a writer's strike to blame it on). So, I like that they're going back to the roots. Hopefully it'll spurt a richer growth this time.

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

You know, in retrospect, it makes absolutely no sense that Sylar wasn't Angela and Arthur's son. I mean, it was a tough pill to swallow from the get-go, but there was at least a steady enough line of logic that it was believable. Consider the following:

1. In the exposed future, Sylar point-blank says he and Peter are brothers. It's implied that Arthur's plan (or Nathan's, who gives a fuck) succeeded, but Sylar obviously isn't a part of Pinehearst. This raises questions of whatever fucking side Sylar was even on, but I'm more concerned with the fact that four years past as he apparently NEVER found out Angela and Arthur were bullshitting him?

2. Why would Arthur tell Sylar the same lie Angela did instead of going "Dude, Angela's not your mom. She's fucking playing you." Yes, Arthur was in Angela's mind and could've seen she was lying to him, but instead of corroborating that lie, it just seems like it would've been infinitely more effective to send Sylar back to kick Angela's ass.

The more I think about it, the more sure I am that the writers retconned Sylar being a Petrelli for -some- reason in the middle of the volume (best reason I can think of? He was boring as fuck when he was working for Arthur), then hastily went about finding a way to ditch it so they could get Sylar back into his serial kill-y ways. Which, while awesome to watch, just made Sylar's overall characterization in volume 3 all the more scattershot and lame.

[On a Pale Horse]

No one watches Heroes anymore? Thought this kind of show would be more popular around here.

I finally got caught up on season 4. I was super busy in September in October, but had off work last week so watched the first 9 episodes then caught episode 10 live.

Interesting season so far. First the struggle between Sylar and Matt, now looks like it will be Sylar and Nathan. Also, with Nathan's body still preserved, (which doesnt really make sense since its not frozen), looks they will probably find a way to bring him back to life. The carnival storyline is pretty interesting too. I am sure they will be some kind of big final showdown at the carnival in the season finale.

Does anyone think Peter will get his full power collection ability back (vs 1 at a time), or was he getting too powerful that way, and they want to keep him limited? Also, I thought it was pretty stupid of Peter to give up healing power for flight power. Especially since the healer is dead so he can't get that one again. But I guess he wanted to keep tabs on his "brother"

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

I still watch. :D

I think this Season has been pretty good so far. There have been a few 'blah' episodes, namely the Claire-heavy ones, but so far, it looks like they're cleaning up the mess they made of Season 3.

But, I have a sneaking suspicion that this may end up being the final Season for HEROES. The show has lost A LOT of fans, and the ratings for it having been spectacular either.

[Jus-X]

;368838']I still watch. :D

I think this Season has been pretty good so far. There have been a few 'blah' episodes, namely the Claire-heavy ones, but so far, it looks like they're cleaning up the mess they made of Season 3.

But, I have a sneaking suspicion that this may end up being the final Season for HEROES. The show has lost A LOT of fans, and the ratings for it having been spectacular either.

I love the show. Been hearing some rumors of this being the final season, rumors of an actor getting paid too much and leaving the show, rumors rumors rumors. I hope to hell this isnt' the last season. Its a great show and it does have a lot of fans, and I think as we're long as we're bringing the company ratings they she keep it running.

But don't say anything about last nights episode... I was house hunting and it interfered with Heroes. By the time I got home it was half way over, and it's not like I'm gonna watch the last half without seeing the first, it's just one of those shows. I gotta catch it onling tommorow.

[On a Pale Horse]

One problem with the show and ratings is that it doesn't leave much room for new fans. Like Lost, Twin Peaks, and similar shows, you have to get on board at episode 1 and watch all the way through to full understand what is going on. Its hard for people to just turn it on and start watching without knowing back stories, character detail etc.

[Jus-X]

One problem with the show and ratings is that it doesn't leave much room for new fans. Like Lost, Twin Peaks, and similar shows, you have to get on board at episode 1 and watch all the way through to full understand what is going on. Its hard for people to just turn it on and start watching without knowing back stories, character detail etc.

Yeah I agree. I never got into Lost bc it starting booming by it's 3rd season. I watched one episode and was like, WTF?

That's why X-Files was the shit. For the most part they had new stories in almost every episode.

[On a Pale Horse]

Okay episode tonight. Interesting to see how Claire situation develops. Man, that Carny-leader is REALLY preachy.

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

Really good episode of HEROES tonight.

Nathan is officially dead this time (Adrian Pasdar even confirmed this in Interviews), and they're finally doing something interesting with Claire. Took 4 Seasons for that to happen, but finally.

Now...No new episodes until January 4th.:(

[Jus-X]

;370015']Really good episode of HEROES tonight.

Nathan is officially dead this time (Adrian Pasdar even confirmed this in Interviews), and they're finally doing something interesting with Claire. Took 4 Seasons for that to happen, but finally.

Now...No new episodes until January 4th.:(

Yeah I'm bummed about Nathan dying. I thought the bond between him and Peter made them strong characters. And I don't like the carney guy. Can't wait to find out who's going to take him out. And where did Hiro go off to?

[On a Pale Horse]

I don't know, the fact that they still had Nathans body preserved makes me wonder if they will resurrect him somehow.

As for Hiro I think he's off searching for Charlie.

[Jus-X]

I don't know, the fact that they still had Nathans body preserved makes me wonder if they will resurrect him somehow.

As for Hiro I think he's off searching for Charlie.



Peter never healed Hiro, did he? And he doesn't have the healing power any more. So I didn't see all of the previous season, but why can't Peter hold onto his powers like he used to? I remember his dad took his powers, but I don't remember how to got them back. Personally, one thing I couldn't stop thinking of seeing Nathan in Sylars body, was when Peter traveled to the future and Sylar was good and called him brother. Hmm.

[On a Pale Horse]

Yeah thats a good point about the future. Sylar seemed like a genuine good guy in that future too. And also in a seperate future episode, Sylar was the president disguised as Nathan.

No, Peter never did heal Hiro, and now the healer is dead so he can't get the power back.

I think Peter recovered his powers (partially) by injecting himself with one of the formulas Suresh made. There's always the possibility of Parkmans baby turning Peters powers back on like he did for Hiro.

[On a Pale Horse]

Season finale coming up this week already. Hopefully won't be the series finale! Should be interesting showdown in Central Park with the good heroes vs the carnival. Sylar will be a wild card, has he really changed or does he have his own agenda?

If NBC cancels after this episode, hopefully SciFi will pick it up. Er, SyFy.

[The Taff]

I really want to see how Sylar acts in the finale. His character has been all over the place this season. Seemed to take pleasure at manipulating others at one point, then shows remorse for all his actions the next.

[On a Pale Horse]

I really want to see how Sylar acts in the finale. His character has been all over the place this season. Seemed to take pleasure at manipulating others at one point, then shows remorse for all his actions the next.

Sylars always been a wild card. A while back we saw an alternate future where he had kids and was a good guy. Plus he teamed up with Bennett before to hunt bad-specials successfully.

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

The whole thing with Sylars character being all over the place can only be chalked up to the belligerence of the writing staff.

I for one am really hoping that tomorrow nights episode turns out to be THE final episode. There has been no definitive answer on whether or not NBC has picked it up for another season yet, and Tim Kring hasn't come to them with a continuing story yet either.

The only reason why I hope it's the last episode...is so that I don't have to sit through this crap anymore. I've been watching it since Season One, and have made myself continue to watch it for the glimmer of hope that something interesting would happen.

But, ever since Season 2...not a whole hell of a lot has happened on the "interesting" scale. It's all been tons of build ups to pointless stories, and has always fallen on its ass.

If NBC knew what was good for them, they'd cancel this show. ESPECIALLY since a TV series spinoff for the movie PUSH is coming out sometime this year.

[The Taff]

Sylars always been a wild card. A while back we saw an alternate future where he had kids and was a good guy. Plus he teamed up with Bennett before to hunt bad-specials successfully.

In most of the cases where Sylar has been tamed, he's been manipulated by others. Mainly Angela and Arthur Petrellli. In the future case, we don't know how he ended up in a benevolent mindset. This time, it seems he's in this state of mind under his own perceptions and thought.

[On a Pale Horse]

Pretty good episode. Crazy ending. I hope this isn't the last episode and we get to see what happens now that they've gone public

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

Tonights episode was great.

I find it hilarious, that the only REALLY GOOD episodes of HEROES (other than all of Season One)...are the last ones.

I honestly could care either way if they continue the series after tonights episode. I'd actually prefer it if they didn't. Because if they DO continue it after tonights episode, what the hell would be so god damn interesting next season, just a bunch of walking around, with some people interested that they have superpowers, and probably those who can't accept them into soceity. Yeah...that sounds interesting.:shifty:

EDIT: NBC will probably renew Heroes at the last minute because not enough people are going to offer them new projects. It might seem like they'll get plenty of pitches thanks to suddenly having an extra five hours of programming per week, but I think NBC is going to have a hard enough time replacing all of the crap it has to cancel. I wouldn't be shocked if Heroes comes back for at least half a season.

[On a Pale Horse]

One thing I could see happening in the next season

Is something similar to Marvel's Mutant Registration act. Or if one special does something bad- or gets framed for that matter- they might also do a concentration camp type thing and round them all up.

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

Then, in a way, the next Season would be just about the same (but slightly different) than Season 3.

[Cody]

NBC Cancels Once-Mighty Heroes (http://tv.yahoo.com/heroes/show/39435/news/tv.tvguide.com/tv.tvguide.com-nbc-cancels-oncemighty-heroes)

After four seasons on NBC, Heroes has been canceled, according to The Hollywood Reporter.

The super-series averaged less than 5 million viewers in its latest season. The network had considered giving the Tim Kring-produced drama a few more episodes to wrap up storylines, but the cost of the show and NBC's expanding fall slate led to Heroes' cancelation.

[SlasherFreak]

watched the first season...was eventually gonna watch the rest....but now that it seems they'll be leaving some loose ends, I'll pass

[On a Pale Horse]

Hopefully Syfy picks it up.

[Just Jeans]

I fell out with the show about midway through series 3 -- not because I didn't like it, I just fell behind -- but I'm not sure I'll finish it now because I hate it when they leave plot threads hanging. At the very least, I hope they can convince NBC to let them air a TV movie on SyFy to let them wrap things up.

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

I hope they don't get picked up by ANY other network. I'm serious.

Sure, the last season is pretty open ended, but I'd rather leave what it could have been up to my own imagination...because it would produce better results than the way the writing has been since Season 2. Even if they came back for another season, they still probably wouldn't have finished anything with great results.. Just more lead-up's to blah "resolutions."

Don't get me wrong, I loved the show...at one point. And that was Season One. I only "liked it" during the other seasons, with some hope that it would have hopefully gotten better.

But...it never did. So, I'm happy they cancelled it.

[Just Jeans]

I wouldn't want another network to pick the show up for a full series, but I do want a actual finale, even if it's only in the form of a two hour TV movie on SyFy. I really don't care if it answers fuck all in terms of plot, I just don't think any show should end without a proper finale.

If such a finale doesn't occur, I probably won't bother picking up seasons 3 or 4 to finish watching the show, because I hate getting invested in a series (Firefly, The Sarah Connor Chronicles) and seeing it dwindle into nothing without a proper bookend.

[The Taff]

Firefly did have a bookend.

[Just Jeans]

My point is that it happens so rarely that I don't often get into shows that I know aren't going to last. When I originally saw Firefly, there was no bookend, and the notion that there would be was unthinkable. The chances of Heroes getting a theatrical conclusion (or even a made for TV one) are slim-to-none.

[Jus-X]

Horrible News. :(

[TheShowstoppa]

I knew this would get shit canned eventually. I lost touch with it halfway through season 3 because it just lacked. The first season was so great and then I struggled through the second season because it was bland and boring. From what I understand, there were a few good points here and there, but that after the dust settled, it had indeed turned into a pile of shit.

[Cody]

I hate getting invested in a series (Firefly, The Sarah Connor Chronicles) and seeing it dwindle into nothing without a proper bookend.

Carnivale is still the most painful case of that for me. Such a great show, canceled on a cliffhanger.

[Psychoticninja]

Mutant X for me :( ...... sniffle.

And I can't forget Kyle XY.

Obscure shows to some... tragic for me I never got a f***ing proper ending

[Jus-X]

Never saw Kyle XY, but Mutant X was frigging awesome. I wanna pick up the seasons on DVD.

[The One and Only]

ANGEL was quite the sticker for me. Even the network seemed to realize their mistake after the final episode, and a change of network presidents. Also TRANSFORMERS G1 and the whole slew of Marvel/Sunbow produced shows. Especially with the introduction of the Headmasters in the final episodes. Only to have it replaced by....DuckTales:taz:
Another one from the last decade was another one from NBC which ended on a cliffhanger was the sci-fi monster series, SURFACE.