Fight or Flight? How would YOU handle the horror icons?

[On a Pale Horse]

I made this thread like 4 years ago at the old board and it went over pretty well. Thought I'd bring back the idea. Only rule: BE REALISTIC. You can only use what skills you actually possess, and what weapons/supplies you have access to.

Explain how you would react to various horror movie characters and common scenarios. Be as detailed as you want:

Jason: RUN. Can't do anything to him anyway. As long as no one else was left behind, I'd just haul ass.

Michael: RUN, same as Jason for most part. Except Michael might actually follow you for a great distance. If I had to fight him I'd lay some kind of ambush on him with multiple people. Key thing is I'd NEVER split up like they do in movies. I'd always have at least one other person so we could pull over watch for each other.

Ghostface(s): FIGHT. A bunch of annoying high school kids, a pretentious college kid, and a psycho middle aged woman. Nothing I can't handle there. I'd go eye for eye, tooth for tooth with any of them.

Chucky: FIGHT. I might actually enjoy kicking him around. I'd just be careful to keep in open spaces so he cant slash at my ankle or achilles from under a bed or something

Zombies: MIXTURE. Would fight when I had to, otherwise keep moving. I'd try to find a good building to take shelter in for awhile with reinforced windows and doors.

Freddy: FIGHT. Not saying I could beat him, but pointless to run as he controls the environment around you and can be everywhere. I'd try to muster up a dream power and not give him fear to feed off of.

Leatherface: BORDERLINE. Hard to say with him. It'd be easier to just run from a big lumbering psycho like him. But he wouldn't be too hard to outsmart either. Might pull a 'stick and move' type strategy against him. Run, then wait around corner or wall to clock him when he comes around.

Pinhead: DIE. Cenobites are probably one of the hardest ones to beat.

Devils Rejects: FIGHT. Not trying to sound like a bad ass. But assuming they'd already killed someone I knew, and were torturing/taunting me, I'd fight back. I wouldnt give them satisfaction of begging and panicking. If they had me captive like they typically do, I'd watch all of their movements and patterns, and wait for them to slip up. Not saying I'd win, but I'd sure as hell put up a good fight.

[Rich]

Jason: RUN. Can't do anything to him anyway.

Michael: I would probably leave the state (in my case) which means go to the mainland. I don't know how Michael would get to Hawaii, but since he drives, I would be off the island.

Ghostface(s): I would kick Ghostface's pussy ass.

Chucky: I would kick a field goal wit Chucky.

Zombies: I would run and only fight them off when absolutely must but keep moving, because they end up everywhere and one bite and it's all over.

Freddy: Well, he comes in your dreams. I would try Nancy's strategy by not believing in him thus taking away his energy, kicking him out of my dream, and if that doesn't work, then I would try the alternative. I would grab a hold of him and try to wake up pulling him out of my dream. Then he is human in reality and my machette would come in handy. In reality I can take Freddy.

Leatherface: Well if it was the Leather of the original, then I would run my ass off. If it was Leather after the events in the remake where he only had one arm, I think I can take him with my bat and/or machette

Pinhead: um...yeah...I'm dead.

Devils Rejects: I would kick the shit out of them in under five minutes and then marry baby. :)

[The 5th Golden Girl]

I think I'd pretty much die if I came face to face with any of the horror icons. I guess I'd try to run first, but I suck at running. I can't fight worth a damn, so it'd be pointless to try.

Off-topic a little, but I think Chucky gets a bad rap from people. Of course we say in hindsight that we would kick him across the room and blah, blah, blah, but in the movies, he uses the fact that no one expects him to be a killer doll to his advantage. He takes all his victims by surprise, and by the time they realize what he is, it's too late.

[Rick]

Trying to be realistic:

Jason - I'd run if I could. I'd go for the largest piece of open ground I could and cover as much distance as possible. I'm 5'6 or 5'7 so physically I'm never going be able to just turn and fight and have any sort of chance against a powerhouse like that. And seriously, when being attacked or seeing someone being torn to shreds, the attacked, a person's first instinct is self preservation unless they have some sort of training otherwise.
If I tried to run and found that I couldn't, the next instinct would be defense. I'd grab the nearest thing (or two) that could be used as a weapon, try to stay in an environment that I could control when it comes to blind corners and such, keep as much distance between myself and Jason and try to go in low for an attack on the knees or balls.
The odds, however, are that I'm going to die, but I'm going to try and inflict as much damage as possible.

Michael - Same as above.

Ghostface - I'd still run, even though Ghostface isn't as big as Jason or Michael. I may turn to fight unexpectedly a little sooner trying to get the element of surprise and go for the knees, balls and throat.
The fact that Ghostface is closer to my size and has a mask on may actually work to my advantage, attacking the face to obscure his vision (assuming i get a lucky distracting shot in first) could give me the opportunity to lay down some hurt on the guy.
Any weapon I could get my hands on would also be utilized, from his own dropped weapon to knick knacks to throw, chairs to trip him up or anything heavy to bludgeon him with.

Chucky- I'd probably be very over confident due to the fact that he's a doll and try to punt him. If I was lucky enough not to be seriously hurt due to over confidence I'd stay away from low furniture and try to use a longer weapon for defense and to pin him down, then gut him.

Zombies- depends on the type. Slow moving zombies I'd run and try to club as many out of my way as possible.
Fast moving zombies i would try to hid as high up as possible with a heavy club or fire arm to fend them off if they found me. If there are a couple i may stand a chance. Swarm, I'm dead. I'd probably use the gun on myself.

Freddy- If i realized it was a dream I'd probably do my best to fight. If I didn't, I'd probably die in terror due to the way Freddy can manipulate the dreamscape.

Leatherface- most likely the same as Jason and Michael. I'd probably more likely to run a lot quicker then if I saw Jason or Michael coming at me because ... well ... the guys got a fucking chainsaw and it's not like I'm not going to hear him coming and see him a lot quicker.
It's likely that jason and Michael will get the drop on me and it'll be over before i know it if they do. Leatherface can't sneakk up with it running, and if he does sneak up and then start it I still have a few extra seconds to haul ass, even if he does knock me down first.

Pinhead- what chance does anyone have? Wow, would praying help? Probably not. I don't believe in god, but seeing something like Pinhead come after me may change my mind quick.
I'd die screaming i'm sure since the meathooks on chains would hold me in place so he could do what ever he wants.

Devils Rejects- again, run if I could. If I couldn't any weapon I could find or take would be aimed at the fleshiest parts of them that were exposed.

[happycampertwo]

Jason: Run like hell. What could you possibly do to Mr. "I come back from every death imaginable"?

Michael: See above.

Ghostface(s): I believe my Mossberg 590 would make short work of this douche. 00 buckshot guarantees a win at a knife fight.

Chucky: I'd probably just keep kicking him away, but its always possible that I'd start laughing at the absurdity of a murderous doll.

Zombies: I'd just reinforce my home and keep quiet for as long as I needed to.

Freddy: I'd probably try to fight, but the odds are really against you here.

Leatherface: If I'm unarmed on his turf I'd try to evade him, if he was entering my home he's going to have a face full of shotgun.

Pinhead: I'd just wet myself.

Devils Rejects: Depends on how prepared I am. Like with Leatherface I'd try to evade them unarmed, but if I'm given prep time and can actively stalk them then I'd just pick them off with my Mosin Nagant from a few hundred yards out.

[SlasherFreak]

Jason - Run, try to steal the first car i see and drive far far away.

Michael - Same thing as Jason

Ghostface - Shoot him in his head.

chucky - play with him a lil bit and laugh at him and kick him around and shit

zombies - find a good place to reinforce, make sure i have plenty of guns and ammo and spend my days shooting them out the window

freddy - sniff some meth and stay up for days

leatherface - shoot him in his head

the devils rejects - laugh at them and spit in their faces and tell them rob zombie sucks and then shoot them in their heads

[Voorheeszilla]

I thought I'd resurrect this thread as I like the concept behind it.

Jason: I'm somewhat torn on this. It depends on what version you're dealing with. If it's human Jason, I'd likely fight back. Chances are by the time a showdown occurs I'll have nothing more to lose, so I could see myself fighting back. If it's zombie Jason, rather than trying to straight up fight back, I'd probably be more tactful, and evade and attack.

Michael: Same as with Jason, I imagine I wouldn't have much left to lose, so chances are I'd stay and fight. Michael is a little tricky because he stalks more than Jason does, so you really have to guess as to where's he's at. All I'd know is wherever I'm at he's not there, so if I choose to hide and play his own game, I'd do that shit to a fucking T.

Ghostface(s): This is easy: I'd definitely fight back. I don't think it'd be hard to even take out someone dressed as Ghostface if you are intelligent enough to really think outside the box, and not show yourself as being susceptible to their mind games.

Chucky: I might actually enjoy kicking him around. I'd just be careful to keep in open spaces so he cant slash at my ankle or achilles from under a bed or something

Zombies: I'm hauling ass on this one. As crazy and ready to fight as I am, even if you take out one zombie, there are hundreds more, if not thousands, so there's no winning, unless you have a grand plan for exterminating them all.

Freddy: I'd definitely fight back on this one, as I don't see myself being fearful of someone who tries to kill you in your dreams.

Leatherface: I'm hauling ass on this one too, and that's because Leatherface himself is able to haul ass with a chainsaw. Then again, I don't know, I might try to fight back, because he's pretty damn stupid, and would likely be easy enough to evade if you don't panic.

Pinhead: I don't see myself making it out of this one alive, or anyone for that matter. :X

Devils Rejects: I don't think these guys are a hard bunch to tackle, unless you were to foolishly try to attack them while they're grouped together. Otis & Baby seem like they'd be easy to mindfuck, because they seem to have a quick temper. I'd only really be worried about Spaulding, to be honest, and Rufus, of course.

[Bill 1981]

Realistically speaking:

Jason - Fight to the death. Deliver a good beatdown and try to outwit, but he'd end up eventually ripping me apart.
Michael (Old School) - Fight to the death. Deliver a good beatdown, but eventually get knifed to death.
Michael (RZ Version) - Dead in a heartbeat.
Ghostface - Total pWnag3 by my part. Easily winnable fight.
Chucky - See above.
Zombies - Fight to the death. Soon as I run out of ammo or one of them bites into me, it's over.
Freddy - Fight, but if I get lucky, I might win the battle via not showing any fear.
Leatherface - I'd fight, but eventually I'd either get away or become BBQ.
Pinhead - Instant death. I'd hand over my soul in a heartbeat.
Firefly Clan - It's possible I could get away through fighting, but there's a chance they might outsmart me and that'd be all she wrote.

[Jus-X]

Jason - When you deal with Jason, you deal with a guy who goes after you and doesnt' easily get sidetracked, but on occasion he does. So I would run as long as my body takes me and hope he sees somebody else as an easier target and goes after them.

Michael: - I would definitly still run. He finds you quicker than Jason and is much more unstoppable. So I would run in hopes he comes across his Aunt or Uncle or cousin or something.

Ghostface: - I'd beat the shit out of this fucker. He has no supernaturality to him, he's just a schmuck who gets taken down by chicks. The reason people die at his hands is because they kick him in the nards and run. I would just beat him down and stab the shit out of him with his own known. He's nothing but a pussy mother fucker!

Zombies - I've seen plenty of movies to know that fighting a group of zombie's turns you into a zombie, fighting one keeps you alive. So I'd do both. Run from groups, stay above the ground since they don't really know how to climb. But face to face with one, I'd take my chances and fight 'em.

Freddy - Freddy has nothing on me. He'd have more of a chance killing me in the real world than in the dream world. In my dreams, I am the shit. I'm seriously fucking Neo in my dreams. I might not kill him, but after a fight with me he'd more than likely give up and go to the next, non-skilled dreamer.

Leatherface - The dude's strong, with or without his chainsaw. He might be dumb, but running is really the only thing anyone's ever done. Staying and fighting or even hiding will getcha killed.

Pinhead - If Pinhead existed, I'm done. No sense of fighting. I'd more than likely offer to be his earthly minion to try and get away from eternal torment. I find no pleaure out of pain. I'd say, "Okay look: I fucked with this box, I know I shouldn't have, but spare me and as long as you're not asking for the blood of MY loved ones, I'll bring anyone else to you and let you do what you want. How does that sound?"

Devils Rejects - If I had weapons on me, I'd fight em. Empty handed, I'd run.

[On a Pale Horse]

I brought this up in the Strangers 2 thread, but rather than side track that discussion, I thought I'd bring the discussion over here.

We were talking about movies like Strangers, Last House on the Left etc... and I was saying how a lot of people find those movies more scary because they could really happen where as I am the opposite and watch the whole movie seeing opportunities to turn the tides, grab the gun from them etc.

I know its easy to say that watching a movie and it would be different in a real life, stressful situation. But I am pretty confident I could handle any of those kinds of characters based on my military training and experience. No, I don't mean any kind of kick ass commando training or anything. but just the ability to remain calm under pressure. Repeated exposures to stressful and sometimes dangerous situations gives you a tolerance to it, and allows you to not get emotional when it happens. So you can act rationally when others would be the typical horror movie victims we see who do dumb shit.

Plus, one thing most movies don't show, is the killer/kidnapper would be nervous too and make mistakes. They are risking going to jail for life, or getting killed by a smart victim. So unless they are a sociopath, they'd have some fear too, and likely make some dumb mistakes.

I am sure MT and Monkey can relate.

[Monkey]

Repeated exposures to stressful and sometimes dangerous situations gives you a tolerance to it, and allows you to not get emotional when it happens. So you can act rationally when others would be the typical horror movie victims we see who do dumb shit.
Repeated exposure to people in pain, bleeding, vomiting, puking, shitting themselves, screaming, dying, etc. You eventually get used to most of it. It's never easy, but the last person I did CPR on was completely naked and was pronounced dead 10 minutes later. It was like another day on the job. You just work with a sense of urgency and fear takes a backseat.

[WestinHillsDays]

Well, there is a way of defeating these villains even if you are an average human being:

Jason: Either pretend you are his mom or shave your head and try to look as much as possible like he did. Ginny and Tommy used psychology against Jason, and succeeded at doing so.

Michael: play hide and seek. Hide in the closet, improvise a weapon. Laurie Strode defeated/ escaped from him three times.

Freddy: don't fear him, get a dream power, get him out of the dream world and either burn him or have Jason around you. ;)

Pinhead: remind him of his humanity, remind him that he was a human.

Leatherface: play hide and seek, improvise a weapon, or just yell at him and tell him to shut up (e.g. the Renee Zellweger approach). ;)

[On a Pale Horse]

Jason is pretty dumb, but how many times will he fall for the pretend to be his mom trick?

[WestinHillsDays]

Jason is pretty dumb, but how many times will he fall for the pretend to be his mom trick?

He fell for the "pretend to be the mom" trick 3 times:

"Friday the 13th part 2"
"Freddy Vs Jason"
"Friday the 13th 2009"

And he believed Tommy Jarvis to be himself in "The Final Chapter."

So if Jason is around you and running away is impossible, using the above tricks is a choice.

[The Tall Man]

Westin, Freddy vs. Jason is a COMPLETELY different animal. For all intents and purposes, Freddy WAS Mrs. Voorhees. There would have been no way for Jason to have deciphered that ruse the way he did with Ginny. I don't quite think it deserves to be listed here. Or at the very least, it should have an asterisk.

T.M., Esq.

[On a Pale Horse]

And plus F13 2009 was a remake, and the scene in that was a homage to the scene in F13 pt 2. So you can't count that twice.

So really, he only fell for it once. Like Tally said, Freddy shape shifted. We probably would have fell for that too.

[Jus-X]

And he believed Tommy Jarvis to be himself in "The Final Chapter."


Jason didn't believe Tommy was himself... when Jason saw bald Tommy it reminded him of himself. It's like me seeing a boy with dishwater blonde hair strumming a guitar trying to impress the ladies. The kid reminds me of myself when I was younger. It doesn't mean I think he's me.

[The Tall Man]

The intent seems to be that Jason does think Tommy is him.

T.M., Esq.

[Jus-X]

That I don't buy. The guy's smart enough set up bodies in certain places to keep you on a path that he'll meet you on. Yeah he was duped by Ginny but he wanted his mom to come back so bad, she built her an altar and laid his victims at the altar. She was expecting her to come back, that's why Ginny came through to him.

But he's a smart cookie, I don't think Jason thought Tommy was himself, but that he reminded Jason of himself. But then again it's a matter of opinion.

[nottidelterrore]

I'd make all of them watch Rob Zombie's Halloween II then while they're stunned from watching the abysmal piece of shit....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v515/bloodylamer/bastardly-photos/0505/album9/lex_luger02120604.jpg

[Geddy Peart]

First off, I'd only face any of them if I absolutely had to. I would like to avoid any of these guys in any situation (obviously).

I've been doing Jiu-Jitsu and wrestling for almost 5 years as well as Muay Thai since January. I'm one of the smaller guys at my BJJ school so I'm used to fighting people who are bigger and stronger than I am. I also usually find myself on the bottom during grappling matches fishing for sweeps and submissions. I'd like to think these experiences would help me to keep my wits about me in these situations.

These scenerios are also in case I don't have any weapons on me.

Jason: Which version are we talking about? With human Jason (either old school or remake), I'd move around a lot, low kicking him in the legs repeatedly until he could no longer move fast. When he could barely stand, I'd move in for close range attacks. I've gotten very good at bobbing and weaving as well as arm dragging someone trying to grab my lapel, so I think I could avoid Jason's reach long enough to get a take down. Once on the ground, I'd pin his arm that's holding a weapon and either punch him in the face (after removing the mask) or collar choke him into unconsciousness.

As for zombie Jason, if I was forced to fight I'd try and outsmart him by evading him and setting up a trap that would allow me to decapitate him or shoot him in the head (multiple times). He's a zombie so I'd definitely go after the head. Other wise avoid at all costs.

Michael: Same strategy as zombie Jason.

Ghostface: I'd take the offensive to them. They may be killers, but they don't have the experience to handle someone fighting back as shown throughout the Scream films. I've also noticed the killers tend to stab in an over/underhanded motion, so I'd look to arm drag or trap an arm so I could place them in a bad position and beat the snot out of them.

Chucky: Two words: FIELD GOAL!

Zombies: I'd keep moving and evading them as best I could, only killing them when I have the chance. They have strength in numbers.

Freddy: I already dream some wacky dreams, that being said I don't know if I'd have the confidence to take him on in dream world. I'd probably look to pull a Nancy and bring him into our world. I'd grab him, jump/sit guard and wake up. From there, I'd trap his right arm (that's the one with the glove) and fish for triangles, arm bars and chokes. Then I'd call the cops to report an intruder. Not only would this keep Krueger alive, but considering they'd think he's nuts I have a feeling he'd be kept under suicide watch.

Leatherface: If I could some how get the chainsaw out of his hands, see my strategy for human Jason. Otherwise see my strategy for zombie Jason/Michael.

Pinhead: Dead. Unless I could some how manaage to bargain with him and bring him someone else to take my place. However, that's highly unlikely.

Devils Rejects: I'd probably end up getting captured. However, I don't think I'd cower like most. In TDR, both Baby and Otis had moments were they were alone with victims as well as out numbered. If given the oppurtunity, I'd rush him/her for a take down and either pund them until I killed them, break one of their limbs or render them unconscious.

[Jus-X]

Geddy, Zombie Jason already took a bullet to the brain... and I'm sure if you decapitated him then his little worm guy thing would crawl out and look for his Auntie.

Why not trap him with a chained net instead?

[Geddy Peart]

Good thinking, Jus10.

However, since I don't know where I'd get a chain net from and I don't know if that would even hold Jason. So, I think I would deploy the same strategy King Arthur used against his enemies: RUN AWAY!

[On a Pale Horse]

I am a fan of the low leg kicks to limit peoples mobility too. But I don't think they'd work against human Jason. Although he's not at full power yet, he still is abnormally strong and has a high tolerance to pain. His rage would probably propel him through the pain. I think I'd grab some sort of weapon, all be it a baseball bat or a pipe, and use the range advantage to keep bashing him. Overall I'd just try to be light on my feet, and constantly moving in different directions to avoid him getting his hands on me.

With Devils Rejects, I'd probably try to fight them at an extremely close range. They can't use their advantage of numbers (3 vs 1) as well when you're in tight. All of my training in fighting multiple people is to fight them in tight, and try to keep one of them in front of you as a shield to the other ones, and ramming them into each other like WWE. An alternate option would be to run through a house, and as they spread out to find me try to ambush them one at a time as they came around a corner or through a door, by hitting them with a chair, pan, bat, or whatever I could find.

[Jus-X]

I still don't think fighting Jason would work. In Friday 2 he wasn't aware of his strength which is how he was bested by Paul. But in 3 he took a good punch from Ali and didn't move an inch. Now look, I have some training in Jiu-Jitsu and Krav Maga. I feel I can handle myself in a situation if I needed to. And both arts also teaches to use your opponent's size and strength against them, but I just don't think such moves would work against Jason, human or zombie, or Michael Myers. Not with what I've seen them take on screen from strong people.

[Geddy Peart]

I agree and disagree OAPH, while Jason is angry and has a high pain tolerance, the body can only take so much. It may take a while, but repeated blows to his legs will make the muscles not want to work properly. It will definitely slow him down. It's just may take a while to do so.

Overall, I'd want to take human Jason or Michael by surprise. Only I wouldn't stop beating them and run once I got them down. If an old Loomis can subdue Michael with a 2x4, I imagine I could too.

[On a Pale Horse]

I wouldn't put much faith in most martial moves against a real life psychopath/lunatic either. They are more tolerant to pain, fearless, and they fight without any morals or hesitance. They wouldn't think twice about gouging your eyes out or ripping your lower jaw from your face, or biting a big piece of your flesh off. They'd do stuff that the rest of us wouldn't even think of. You'd have to be very concise and brutal in trying to fight a raging lunatic.

I like jujutsu as a sport, but I wouldn't use it against any of the characters listed above. Psychos aren't going to 'tap out' and it takes a long time to choke someone out. Definitely wouldn't use it against multiple attackers like Devils Rejects or Leatherface family. Realistically the only time I'd use is if I were fighting a hard hitter/boxer.

[Geddy Peart]

You're right, OAPH psychos aren't going to abide by "rules" or logic. If I were actually fighting any of the killers on this list, I wouldn't treat it like it was a BJJ match or MMA fight I would be biting and gouging just as much. It's a life or death situation we're talking about.

Also, BJJ is one of the most effective self-defense systems on the planet. In many ways, it's been changed into a sport with techniques that may or may not benefit you in a real fight. That being said, its roots lie in fighting/self-defense. That's what the Samurai and later the Gracies originally had in mind. It all depends on how you train and what aspects you focus on. My school, while many of its students compete in MMA/grappling, focuses on the tactics and strategies that are meant for self-defense (ie. how to control your opponent and protect yourself from getting hit, stabbed, etc). My BJJ instructor also holds seminars for local law enforcment agencies to teach them how to handle dangerous situations. So BJJ is most definitely more than just for sport.

Also on the note of submissions/chokes, I wouldn't expect Jason, Freddy or any real attacker to "tap out". If I caught one of them in say an armbar or leg lock, I'd go for broke (literally). In sparring or competition, I apply moves with just enough pressure to make my opponent submit. However, if it were human Jason or Freddy, I'm snapping their arm like a twig without thinking about it. They may still come at me, but I don't think Freddy's going to be able swing his claws at me with the same effectiveness when his arm is broken.

As for choke holds, you can absolutely put someone out in a matter of seconds depending on how tight you have them. If you don't do them correctly, it can take a while. But if done right, they won't even know they're on their way to taking a nap. I know from experience as it's happened to me and I've accidentally done it to a training partner as well. I had him in what's called a head and arm choke and I had it so tight he didn't even have time to tap.

So while BJJ has been turned into a sport, it's original pupose was for fighting and defending one's self. In fact Royce Gracie said in an interview recently that he doesn't like how some in the BJJ community have turned it into a sport, taking away some of its fighting effectiveness.

[On a Pale Horse]

I am familiar with jujutsu man, I've taken it myself. I think its a great complimentary art to other styles like Muy Thai or Krav Maga. Most 1 on 1 fights end up in a clinch or on the ground so its good to have those grappling skills to fall back on. But if it's your only art its going to leave you lacking in a lot of scenarios. Obviously when fighting multiple attackers you can't get tied up grappling one or you'll get kicked by the others. Also if its a situation where you have to hurry and kick ass and get out of there, you don't have time to grapple for 30 minutes waiting for your opening to lock an arm or neck. I.E. in Devils Rejects if you're being held hostage and one person is guarding you while the others stepped out for a minute you need to disable that person quick and run for it or get ready to ambush the others.

I also wouldn't grapple someone in a standard bar fight, because you never know who's going to run and kick you in the head or something.

Like I said, the only time where I would try to take someone down and wrestle is if he was a heavy hitter or boxer.

[Geddy Peart]

I agree that if you're accosted by multiple attackers, pulling guard or mount isn't the best thing. Because then you are vulnerable to attacks since you're focusing on just one person. In a scenerio where I was being attacked by several people at once (like all 3-4 members of the Devil's Rejects) I would look to stay on my feet, create distance and get a weapon. I would probably attack all of them in the same manner as you described, OAPH. If I was knocked down, I would utilize upward kicks, as well as technical kicks/get ups to making them back up so I could get back to my feet.

The scenerio I presented in my original post about taking down a DR member was under the circumstances that I was with only one member (ie. Baby in the hotel room or Otis out in the desert). Again, if you have to take them out quickly, a rear-naked choke done correctly will put someone out within seconds. Of course, if you can bludgeon them in the head with something, that would be an ideal option as well.

Also, it doesn't always take 30 minutes to land a submission, especially if the other person doesn't know how to grapple. Back in the original UFCs Royce Gracie was subbing guys in a matter of minutes, sometimes under a minute. From personal experience I've tapped and been tapped several times in a 5 minute round. It's definitely possible.

Just for fun, here is a link to the Gracie Academy website for their Gracie Combatives program with testimonials from military and law enforcement personel on how BJJ has helped them apprehend and defend themselves from criminals:

http://www.gracieacademy.com/military_testimonials.asp

[On a Pale Horse]

Haha, you lost me at having Baby in a hotel room, and rear naked clinch....

[Geddy Peart]

hehe I should chosen my words more wisely.

And it's rear naked choke not rear naked clinch. Come to think of it, Baby seems like the type who likes both.