Pamela Voorhees' back story [Archive]

CampNewBlood

07-24-2007, 09:51 PM

I have mentioned this before, but I would very much like to see more about Pamela. I have always wanted to see more from this character and I think the Friday the 13th films could only benefit from it.

There are 2 cool new comics coming out dealing with this.

Pamela's Tale

Out now from Wildstorm Comics, Pamela's Tale #1 (of 2). Written by Marc Andreyko, illustrated by Shawn Moll (cover by Dustin Nguyen) - the synopsis reads "The sad, bloody saga of Jason Vorhees is well-chronicled, but one story element of his origin remains untold — that of his mother, Pamela Vorhees! As seen in the original instant classic film, Pamela was a woman unhinged by her son's death at Camp Crystal Lake but what of the woman before that tragic afternoon? And Jason's father Elias?"

I have to go get these. :shock:

Ron

07-24-2007, 09:59 PM

hmmm...when are these coming out?

DavidDunn

07-24-2007, 10:21 PM

Oh, kick ass. Just tell me a release date and I'll be at Brittain's Books faster than a jackrabbit on a hot greasy griddle in the middle of August. I'm already psyched about Casey Jones' detailed origin in next month's issue of "Tales Of The TMNT" as it is.

The Dream Master

07-24-2007, 10:44 PM

The first part of Pamela's Tale came out last week (or maybe it was the week before). Regardless, it's already out, and it's not that bad. Run out there and grab it.

Also, there's already a thread in the books forum (http://www.richardgibbs.co.uk/alpha/f13/showthread.php?t=156) on the actual comics, so all discussion for that should move over there. I'll leave this thread open for any sort of other discussion about Pamela Voorhees.

Jigsaw

07-24-2007, 10:52 PM

I have the first issue of Pamela's Tale, and it's not bad, but parts of the backstory are a little disappointing. Pamela killing Elias so early on, and it's implied that Jason was some supernatural being from the get-go, with Pamela hearing his voice telling her to kill. I found that kind of weak. Also it seems to imply that Jason was disfigured because Pamela smoked a cigarette after killing Elias (now seriously, what pregnant woman in their right mind smokes?). Jason's birthyear is also changed to 1948, when it's well-known that 1946 is his birthyear. That aside though it's quite enjoyable, especially how the prequel's events are set during the scene in the first film with Pamela describing her past to Annie as she's driving her to the camp (before killing her of course).

Lammert

07-24-2007, 10:55 PM

I'm so glad these are just comics instead of movies...

Wheatjedi

07-24-2007, 10:58 PM

I read the synopsis, and I have to say.... I hate it when a publisher mis-spells the last name. It also bugged in JGTH. I mean... it's the name of the main character. You know?

Jigsaw

07-24-2007, 10:59 PM

I agree, it's very annoying to see Voorhees being frequently misspelled as "Vorhees."

CampNewBlood

07-24-2007, 11:42 PM

I know I've thought the same thing....the movies have been around for 27 years. You think they could get the name right.

I would really like to see more in the remake about her character. There is alot that needs to be told.

Darth Sinister

07-25-2007, 02:56 AM

In regards to what woman in her right mind would smoke while pregnant. It wasn't until about the 1980's, that doctors began saying that smoking, drinking and doing drugs while pregnant will affect the fetus' development. So for 1948 or 46, Pamela Voorhees smoking while pregnant with Jason is perfectly acceptable at the time.

sCabbOy

07-25-2007, 03:13 AM

I really don't care and really don't want to know. The comics are jsut comics and should never be taken into consideration.

To me Pam was a typical single parent raising a "slow" child. She was normal, god fearing and traditional until the day he drown.

CampNewBlood

07-25-2007, 03:30 AM

You don't?

Wow....I thought it would make an interesting story to see more about her and the events leading up to Jason's birth and childhood until he drowns. But that's me.

I would love to see more.

Wheatjedi

07-25-2007, 03:37 AM

I'm all for background stories on characters from the Friday films, whether they're in the form of a novel, comic book or whatever. They add depth to the films.

Melanie Jarvis

07-25-2007, 04:03 AM

I'll go to the comic book store by my house and see if they have it there.

Mr. Undertaker

07-25-2007, 04:20 AM

I'm all for background stories on characters from the Friday films, whether they're in the form of a novel, comic book or whatever. They add depth to the films.

I agree, but i think that doing a prequel movie would be an great add to the series.

CampNewBlood

07-25-2007, 04:25 AM

I'm all for background stories on characters from the Friday films, whether they're in the form of a novel, comic book or whatever. They add depth to the films.

Exactly. Pamela's story is just as relevant, to me, than Jason's is. I mean, she IS his mother and one of the main reasons he is doing what he is doing in all of the movies...killing everyone that trespasses into their domain. I mean, even in Part 2, he was offering her/her head/her memory whatever you wanna say, the dead bodies. He was avenging HER death. I like to think, and still think, that is his motivation for everything he is doing and will continue to do.

So I think we could only benefit from more storyline involving Pamela. I know I would.

They should have had a scene in the Final Chapter after the station wagon with the kids pulls away from the cemetary, where Jason walks up to his mother's grave. To atleast show that he is still thinking of her. Even though we know he is because of all his revenge killings, it would still have been cool to see that...the camera showing his feet walking up toward her grave then panning up his body to see him standing there in his hockey mask staring at her headstone.

What do you guys think?

Wheatjedi

07-25-2007, 04:29 AM

I would have liked to see something like that. It might have played better if something like that had appeared in Jason Lives during the prologue. Have him reach down to pick up the hockey mask, see her tombstone (which was supposed to be next to his), pause, then put on the mask.

CampNewBlood

07-25-2007, 04:39 AM

Yea...that would have been cool. I mean, they need to give her more credit, DAMN IT!

LOL

Wheatjedi

07-25-2007, 04:44 AM

I agree. One of the plot points that I enjoyed in Freddy vs. Jason was that they made her being his motivation to kill very clear. That's something that tended to get glossed over in some of the later sequels.

CampNewBlood

07-25-2007, 04:46 AM

Yea that was one of the good things in FvsJ.....I love that scene.

JVY2K

07-25-2007, 05:06 AM

From reading the review in the books section...

Sounds like allot of wasted matrerial to me. Here we have a great backstory that fans have been dying to explore and they deliver a story like that? Fuckin' sad...Kill Elias off in four pages? Lame. And you're right, it was Jason's murder that drove Pamela insane. That's the way I've always viewed it. I've never given a second thought to whether or not she was previously insane. What a waste. Ugh!

My Pamela/Elias backstory prequel script is far superior to what this piece of shit sounds like!

Mr. Undertaker

07-25-2007, 05:20 AM

Would be nice if the movei company alowed a fan written script.....

The Dream Master

07-25-2007, 05:21 AM

Would be nice if the movei company alowed a fan written script.....

They did. It was called Freddy vs. Jason. :p

Mr. Undertaker

07-25-2007, 05:45 AM

i mean with pamela's back story! :p

JVY2K

07-25-2007, 06:17 AM

Jason X was also a fan written script.

Lammert

07-25-2007, 08:14 AM

Thats also why I'm against a prequel movie, explaining everything in a movie ruins the mystique of the later sequels.
Sometimes we don't have to know everything, same with the reason why Michael Myers kills.

Jigsaw

07-25-2007, 08:17 AM

I agree. Some things are better left to the imagination, even moreso when we all have our different theories as to what happened.

CampNewBlood

07-25-2007, 08:19 AM

JVY2K

07-25-2007, 08:49 AM

It really depends on the prequel. A good prequel can actually enhance the earlier films. A bad prequel though can ruin them. Like the Star Wars prequels. Personally, I feel they give the original series more power and enhance their viewing knowing all the chaous that took place before. I like that kinda stuff though. However, it's not everyone's thing and I know there's people that would have preferred the mystery of Anakin to be left to the imagination...

It's a delicate thing to play with. If I was to ever write a prequel to Friday the 13th for NLC, I think I'd leave whether Jason died in the lake or not a msytery. I'd still have him growing up in the woods, cause I love that theory, but I'd leave enough up to the imagination that the fans that like the theory that he died in the lake could still enjoy the movie and not have the eariler films ruined.

Ron

07-26-2007, 03:02 AM

I remember there was a fan script over on the old board that was a friday prequel and it was phenomenal.

CampNewBlood

07-26-2007, 10:01 AM

Never had the chance to read that.

Ron

07-26-2007, 10:03 AM

Actually I think it was a novel..or a script?? damn i can't remember, but it was awesome.

CampNewBlood

07-26-2007, 10:05 AM

Cool. I assumed it involved Pamela?

Ron

07-26-2007, 10:07 AM

yeah everything all the way up to Jason's drowning and her downward spiral into insanity.

Rich

07-27-2007, 04:59 AM

I thought this was kind of a weak story. It just seemed too typical the way Elias was portrayed. It wasn't bad, but I excpected something more. I guess I have been spoiled by Dre's story, that nothing will ever even come close to.

I'm still going to buy the second part to finnish the story, as if I don't know how it will end. ;)

CampNewBlood

07-27-2007, 08:36 AM

yeah everything all the way up to Jason's drowning and her downward spiral into insanity.

That's cool.

Scarecrow

07-27-2007, 09:03 AM

I wonder how Elias will be portrayed. I kind of hope he won't be evil but a more realistic character, more just a using asshole who bales when his kids not 'normal', as it were.

- Scarecrow

CampNewBlood

07-27-2007, 09:07 AM

Yea and then Jason can wipe him out for leaving he and Pamela behind.

Lammert

07-27-2007, 10:14 AM

I wonder how Elias will be portrayed. I kind of hope he won't be evil but a more realistic character, more just a using asshole who bales when his kids not 'normal', as it were.

- Scarecrow

Agreed 100%

Jigsaw

07-27-2007, 09:09 PM

I also wouldn't want Elias depicted as being evil if he were ever to appear in the films.

Lammert

07-30-2007, 01:55 PM

I think that Elias was a rich dude who married a girl who was much younger then him.
She got pregnant and gave birth to mongoloid Jason, he got scared and didn't want a future like this, so he fled.

Pamela had nothing left, no money... no husband... only her little boy: Jason.
So when she got a job at Camp Crystal Lake and her boy drowned at the tender age of 11 she went insane!

Wheatjedi

07-30-2007, 09:57 PM

If Pamela had nothing left excpet for Jason, then how was she able to live in the Voorhees' house seen in Jason Goes to Hell?

Dogmatic Insanity

07-30-2007, 10:47 PM

I wrote a short story over on the old board about the subject.

If I can find it, would anyone want to read it?

Wheatjedi

07-30-2007, 11:15 PM

Sure. I'd love to read it since I'm always interested in fan fic.

Kane Lives

07-31-2007, 02:25 AM

I just ordered Pamela's Tale #1, so I should be getting it soon.

It's something I really don't want to know (especially the Elias part), but I just can't resist getting the comics. It's the curious fan boy in me I suppose. lol

Utellme

07-31-2007, 02:33 AM

If Pamela had nothing left excpet for Jason, then how was she able to live in the Voorhees' house seen in Jason Goes to Hell?
Well after Jason drowned she didn't live there. Mrs Voorhees basically lived at Crystal Lake maybe in that shack Jason had in part 2.Maybe someone else in the Voorhees family took over the house. Got to figure Pam was at Crystal Lake between 1957-62 killing 2 counselors ,causing bad water ,fires etc.Now im hoorible with the timeline so from 62 to whatever year part 1 happen 79 ? 80 ? If its really 18 years between she might of been there teaching Jason how to stalk and kill ? Or maybe she did return to her house for awhile cause JGTH is after part 1 in the timeline correct ?

Darth Sinister

07-31-2007, 04:00 AM

I bet Rob Zombie remedies that "mystique" with his remake.

I take it you haven't read the spoilers?

If Pamela had nothing left excpet for Jason, then how was she able to live in the Voorhees' house seen in Jason Goes to Hell?

She had a house from funds obtained working for the Christy's.

Well after Jason drowned she didn't live there. Mrs Voorhees basically lived at Crystal Lake maybe in that shack Jason had in part 2.Maybe someone else in the Voorhees family took over the house. Got to figure Pam was at Crystal Lake between 1957-62 killing 2 counselors ,causing bad water ,fires etc.Now im hoorible with the timeline so from 62 to whatever year part 1 happen 79 ? 80 ? If its really 18 years between she might of been there teaching Jason how to stalk and kill ? Or maybe she did return to her house for awhile cause JGTH is after part 1 in the timeline correct ?

That's not what Lammert was talking about. He was talking about why Pamela was alone when Jason died. Wheatjedi was confused about an issue, which I explained.

Utellme

07-31-2007, 04:04 AM

Oh im sorry.Pam alone as in no father around you mean ? Maybe he couldn't take the extra time and work it took with Jason's issues.Maybe he couldn't deal with Pam after seeing how she was in part 1 i wouldn't stay around either

CampNewBlood

08-01-2007, 09:06 PM

Bloody-Disgusting and Dark Horizons are reporting that Variety says (again) that the Friday the 13th remake is supposedly coming out in 2009. They also claim that they are NOT using Mark Wheaton's story.

Well, I hope they do have Pamela in it.

Wheatjedi

08-02-2007, 04:18 AM

She had a house from funds obtained working for the Christy's.

That's not what Lammert was talking about. He was talking about why Pamela was alone when Jason died. Wheatjedi was confused about an issue, which I explained.

Do you really think she earned enough money working as a cook at a summer camp to be able to afford that house?

I wasn't confused about the issue. If she had no money (as Lammert theorized), there is no way she could afford that house. Even if it was the Voorhees family estate, she would still have to pay property taxes. Personally, I believe Pamela had money. Maybe not a lot of it, but enough to have and maintain the house seen in JGTH.

Rich

08-02-2007, 05:59 AM

rpchurch

08-02-2007, 12:19 PM

Number two comes out August 15th. Then starting is September there is another new two comic story of Friday the 13th not to mention a new comic called New Line House of Horrors that is a croess over with Freddy and Leatherface.

That's another one of those vs., right? Don't know how that'll work out, as there is nothing supernatural about Leatherface. Don't get me wrong, I think Leatherface is a superior character, but I'm curious as to how they'll set this up.

BTW - I didn't want to read the rest of the thread, because I don't want to spoil the surprise. But, do you guys recommend the Pamela's Tale comic? I'm VERY interested in it.

Darth Sinister

08-03-2007, 09:32 PM

How that would work would be something like Freddy manipulating Leatherface into going after Jason. He sleeps just the same as anyone else.

Rich

08-07-2007, 03:15 AM

But, do you guys recommend the Pamela's Tale comic?

I recomend it, but don't expect too much story. It is a rather typical and generic and predictable backstory, and frankly, I was disappointed because I expected a little more, but I do recomend it for Friday fans. I mean, it is fun, and I like how they tie it into a scene from the original film. That was cool. The artwork is good too.

Melanie Jarvis

08-08-2007, 05:23 AM

I bought "Pamela's Tale: Volume 1" today. It was really good.

CampNewBlood

08-08-2007, 08:53 AM

Yea, I enjoyed it also. I agree with someone else though about Jason's appearance as a baby. It wasn't as deformed as it should have been, to me.

Melanie Jarvis

08-08-2007, 09:04 AM

I thought it was a decent illustration.

Autobotsdie

08-08-2007, 11:35 AM

Why was Jason deformed in the first place?

Germaniac

08-08-2007, 12:48 PM

A story about Pamela Voorhees´ back? I want a story about her boobs!

Jigsaw

08-08-2007, 09:47 PM

Why was Jason deformed in the first place?

Well, the comic seems to imply that Jason's disfigurement may have been caused by Pamela smoking a cigarette that she used to burn the trailer that she lived with Elias in. I always believed that Jason's disfigurement was something he was born with.

Rich

08-12-2007, 06:19 PM

Not only that Jigsaw, but you've also got to consider the physical abuse that Alias did to Pam according to the comic.

Kane Lives

08-12-2007, 06:34 PM

a new comic called New Line House of Horrors that is a croess over with Freddy and Leatherface.

It's not a VS. comic thankfully. It's just two different storylines with Freddy and Leatherface in one comic.

NEW LINE CINEMA'S HOUSE OF HORROR #1

Written by Christos Gage and Peter Milligan; Art by Stefano Raffaele and Tom Feister; Cover by Darick Robertson

The horror of A Nightmare on Elm Street and The Texas Chainsaw Massacre continue in two stories by stellar creative teams! When Freddy learns that there's a new killer in town, he must put a vicious stop to it ? but it may be more than he bargained for! And a chainsaw salesman makes a stop over in a small west Texas town...

It'll start with Freddy and Leatherface, and then change them out with Jason occasionally and so on. Or so I've heard. It's not even on the schedule past the first issue, so it may just end up being a one shot.

I finally got Pamela's Tale #1. I liked how they set up the story,having Pamela tell the story to Annie during their drive to the Camp. But, I didn't like how they handled Elias at all. Out of all the things I thought they could have done in revealing his character I felt what they chose was the most obvious and cliched.

sCabbOy

08-12-2007, 07:12 PM

Not only that Jigsaw, but you've also got to consider the physical abuse that Alias did to Pam according to the comic.

That's why I freaking hate "independent/freelance" authors making shit up. I hate that angle, and it's blasphemous that people would write shit like that.

That's why these comics, and even the newer books as well as the older ones should not have any bearing on anything in the movies.
ADDED:
Well, the comic seems to imply that Jason's disfigurement may have been caused by Pamela smoking a cigarette that she used to burn the trailer that she lived with Elias in. I always believed that Jason's disfigurement was something he was born with.

I agree it was something he was born with. He was a Hydrocephalus, that's not something caused by smoking. I will say again, I really hate how these comic books try and re-write shit. It's nauseating.

Rich

08-12-2007, 07:17 PM

Scabboy is angry.

For what it is worth I only accept what is on screen in the films as canon. The novels (some of them were very good by the way, Carnivel of Maniacs was awesome!) and the comics are fun, but in a totally different Jason universe. The way I see it, there is the movie universe, then the novel universe(s), then the comic universe(s).

I did not care for Pam's story myself because I thought Elias was portrayed too cliche and predictable.

rpchurch

08-14-2007, 02:39 AM

That's why I freaking hate "independent/freelance" authors making shit up. I hate that angle, and it's blasphemous that people would write shit like that.

That's why these comics, and even the newer books as well as the older ones should not have any bearing on anything in the movies.
ADDED:

I agree it was something he was born with. He was a Hydrocephalus, that's not something caused by smoking. I will say again, I really hate how these comic books try and re-write shit. It's nauseating.

Amen! At least TRY to keep them in-line with the films. As much as they respect continuity in the "hero" books (at least while it suits their needs) they don't seem to pay the same respect to the horror line.

Lammert

08-15-2007, 09:31 AM

I only accept what is on screen in the films as canon.

Couldn't agree more!

Rich

08-17-2007, 01:37 AM

I just got done reading Vol. 2. I thought it sucked horribly. They butchered Jason's drowning scene, not to mention the sex scene where the councelors were ignoring him should have been a lot better, and Annie's death was handled horribly. The ending sucked too. This was crap.

Jigsaw

08-17-2007, 05:27 AM

I'll be picking up Issue 2 this Saturday.

Jigsaw

08-19-2007, 08:22 AM

I got Issue 2. What a fucking terrible disappointment. Jason's backstory is pretty shit all over, with no insight into his childhood and how he was raised, and he's depicted as being evil from the get-go. And the part where he kills the cats, did the writers get ideas from Rob Zombie with that part? It also totally fucked up the entire drowning scene and directly contradicted some of what was stated in the first film.

A BIG disappointment overall.

Rich

08-19-2007, 01:29 PM

And the part where he kills the cats, did the writers get ideas from Rob Zombie

I don't think so because he would have been jerking off to it.

I agree with you though. That story sucked the big one.

Patrick

03-26-2008, 08:19 AM

I don't know what it is about this character, Pamela Voorhees, but, I would just love to see more about her. I have the comics, but I would love a movie about her. It could be that Betsy Palmer's portayal is one of my all-time favorites in horror history or that she is a woman killer. I don't know. Probably both.

But maybe we wil get something in the new 'Friday the 13th'.