Freddy's Make-Up Stages in Freddy vs. Jason

[Rich]

Am I the only one who really loved that concept of having Freddy's make up actually look different depending on the mood he was in?

In the very beginning of the film he had all of the cracks in his eyes and the pointy teeth.

Then throughout the film he had more of the traditional make-up.

During the scene where Laurie's friends brought Jason out of the dream and Freddy couldn't drown him, his make-up changed and he looked all red and pointy ears and teeth and broken skin and more demonic.

[The Tall Man]

Freddy only has two looks. The first look you pointed out is one and the same with the last one. Perhaps because he'd spent so much time in hell, they decided when Freddy gets REALLY pissed off, he'd become "Demon Freddy".

It's okay with me thatthey used it sparingly. I especially enjoyed the subtle change when Jason cockblocks Freddy from Gibb. If they had like made him look like that during the whole final showdown, I'd have been upset (I want Classic Freddy to fight Jason).

T.M.

[Rich]

I really liked the demonic make-up. I actually wish they used more of that in the film.

[Darth Reaper]

Personally, I don't think they got enough use out of the 'Demon Freddy' look. I would have had Freddy stay in that demonic form for the rest of the dream sequence once he changed, and then have him change back to his classic form when he's pulled into reality.

Also, I think I would have had Freddy become much more serious when he's in the demonic form. He wouldn't be making jokes and cracking wise anymore. He's pissed off and somebody's going to pay for it.

[Voorheeszilla]

I kind of liked the idea that his look would almost resemble his mood. Demon Freddy looked pretty badass.

[Nancy Thompson]

I also like the Demon Freddy Look. It look very badass

[NW77]

Count me in as digging Freddy's demon form look. I wish they've done it before FvJ happend. I hope maybe someday they will bring it back in the remake or sequel of it or whatever. I want to see more if than what we got in FvJ. :cool:

[sooners4life98]

I liked the demon Freddy look too. It was tight.

[Jus-X]

I thought he looked sick-tastic! Freddy always seem to change his form from hall-moniters to sexy nurses, from a giant Saturn-worm to a super-villian. He's always had the shape shifting abilities, and when Laurie pissed him off after waking Jason up, it just looked like the thought of trying to kill again just slipped away from his grasp and he got pissed to no end, showing this "demon-Freddy" which just looked awesome!

[Rich]

My favorite shape shift ever was the giant Freddy dick in Part 3. :lmao:

[Oxley]

Krueger's make up in FvJ I think is the worst its been. I liked the Demon aspects that they got from NN but apart from that I didn't like it much at all.

[Voorheeszilla]

I didn't mind his make-up in FD, but yeah, it's probably the most effective, and after that I'd say in TDC it wasn't really all that great either.

The original, part two, and WCNN have the best Freddy designs, bar none. I especially liked his design in NN. It was very sinister, and with Robert Englund being the one under the make-up, it came across as being really creepy & sinister. He didn't laugh much, or really crack a lot of jokes; he got down to business.

[Oxley]

I didn't mind his make-up in FD, but yeah, it's probably the most effective, and after that I'd say in TDC it wasn't really all that great either.

The original, part two, and WCNN have the best Freddy designs, bar none. I especially liked his design in NN. It was very sinister, and with Robert Englund being the one under the make-up, it came across as being really creepy & sinister. He didn't laugh much, or really crack a lot of jokes; he got down to business.

Shit, I got mixed up. I meant to say FvJ was the worst. :shyface:

[Voorheeszilla]

Lol, it happens, but I disagree. While not his best look, it wasn't particularly bad, either. But, with Englund in the role, even if the make-up wasn't all that great, he was still entertaining. He could be comical, or downright scary. We'll see if Jackie Earle Haley will have that same affect with the new franchise.

Btw, is it me or did it seem as if in WCNN they really strived to make Freddy look a little bigger than normal? Naturally, Freddy's build was always exagerrated to make him more menacing, but they seemed to amp it up a little in NN. Whereas Englund is about 5'11, he looked to be at least 6'2 or 6'3.

[Oxley]

Lol, it happens, but I disagree. While not his best look, it wasn't particularly bad, either. But, with Englund in the role, even if the make-up wasn't all that great, he was still entertaining. He could be comical, or downright scary. We'll see if Jackie Earle Haley will have that same affect with the new franchise.

Btw, is it me or did it seem as if in WCNN they really strived to make Freddy look a little bigger than normal? Naturally, Freddy's build was always exagerrated to make him more menacing, but they seemed to amp it up a little in NN. Whereas Englund is about 5'11, he looked to be at least 6'2 or 6'3.

I just hated the make up in FvJ.

And keep in mind that it is actually the Demons, not Krueger himself in that movie. But yes, he did looks somewhat bigger.

[Voorheeszilla]

I know it's not Freddy as we traditionally perceive him, but the Demon was taking the form of Freddy, who looked bigger than in any of the past movies.

[The Tall Man]

I liked the Demon aspects that they got from NN but apart from that I didn't like it much at all.
Demon Freddy's look from FvsJ is in no way derived from "New Nightmare". Gap-Freddy never had bloodshot eyes or sharpened teeth visible through his jaws.

Btw, is it me or did it seem as if in WCNN they really strived to make Freddy look a little bigger than normal?
Englund is padded.

T.M., Esq.

[Oxley]

Demon Freddy's look from FvsJ is in no way derived from "New Nightmare". Gap-Freddy never had bloodshot eyes or sharpened teeth visible through his jaws.

I know they don't look the same, I was stating that the idea would have came from NN's concept.

[The Tall Man]

But... it didn't.

T.M., Esq.

[Voorheeszilla]

There aren't really enough similarities in those designs to say one was inspired by the other. In FVJ, Freddy looked a lot more fierce and demonic, whereas in WCNN he looked more slick and sinister than fierce.

[Oxley]

But... it didn't.

T.M., Esq.

the idea definitely came from NN. The Demon Krueger at the end looks very similar to the scene were Krueger comes out of the water. There is a bust of what Krueger would have looked like if NN showed it.

There aren't really enough similarities in those designs to say one was inspired by the other. In FVJ, Freddy looked a lot more fierce and demonic, whereas in WCNN he looked more slick and sinister than fierce.

The idea would have came from there, I'm sure.

[The Tall Man]

Unless you've got something from the screenwriters or makeup people saying they took their inspiration from "New Nightmare", then I'm seeing no evidence of what you're saying. The demon's true identity in "New Nightmare" looks absolutely NOTHING like Demon Freddy in FvsJ.

T.M., Esq.

[Voorheeszilla]

I have to agree with TM here, there's nothing to say that's where the inspiration came from, especially since they look so drastically different.

http://moviesonline.ca/movie-gallery/albums/userpics//demonfreddy1.jpeg

http://www.starstore.com/acatalog/Freddy-Nightmare-1.jpg

[Darth Sinister]

The only similarities are the fact that his eyes are different and his facial features are different from normal. The designs are entirely different based on the fact that two different make-up teams were involved and that they're two different characters. It might've been a bit of an homage, but that's it.

Funny, I haven't watched WCNN in a long time, but this is the first time I've noticed the sweater is different.

[Voorheeszilla]

I noticed during my first viewing. It's a lot lighter in color than the other sweaters, which are darker, and more grimey looking.

Btw, which design between the two would you all say is the best?

[Jus-X]

Funny, I haven't watched WCNN in a long time, but this is the first time I've noticed the sweater is different.
Yup, even got the turtle neck going on. I guess I can safely call him Freddy "Metro" Krueger.


Btw, which design between the two would you all say is the best?

The original look of course.

[The Tall Man]

It's why we call him "Gap-Freddy", Justyn. His clothes all look like he just got back from the Gap.

Gap-Freddy's sweater doesn't even look like a red and green sweater. If you look at pictures of Englund in it in full light, it appears to be a green sweater with red striped knitted over it.

T.M., Esq.

[Voorheeszilla]

Yup, even got the turtle neck going on. I guess I can safely call him Freddy "Metro" Krueger.



The original look of course.

I meant between Demon Freddy & Freddy from WCNN.

[Jus-X]

It's why we call him "Gap-Freddy", Justyn. His clothes all look like he just got back from the Gap.

Gap-Freddy's sweater doesn't even look like a red and green sweater. If you look at pictures of Englund in it in full light, it appears to be a green sweater with red striped knitted over it.

T.M., Esq.

Yeah I know the term "Gap Freddy..."

Just trying something new.

[Voorheeszilla]

Gap Freddy looks badass tho. ;)

[Oxley]

Unless you've got something from the screenwriters or makeup people saying they took their inspiration from "New Nightmare", then I'm seeing no evidence of what you're saying. The demon's true identity in "New Nightmare" looks absolutely NOTHING like Demon Freddy in FvsJ.

T.M., Esq.

I have to agree with TM here, there's nothing to say that's where the inspiration came from, especially since they look so drastically different.

http://moviesonline.ca/movie-gallery/albums/userpics//demonfreddy1.jpeg

http://www.starstore.com/acatalog/Freddy-Nightmare-1.jpg

Your both missing what I am saying. The finale scene with Krueger in NN. Not the over all film.

[Voorheeszilla]

He looked the exact same in the finale, so I'm still honestly not seeing the resemblance between the two designs.

[The Tall Man]

Oxley, NO we're not missing the point.

VZ, he's referring to when Gap-Freddy turns into the demon in the furnace.

There are still NO similarities between the two.

T.M., Esq.

[Voorheeszilla]

Oh, in that case, they look even more drastically different, there's really no resemblance there. Demon Freddy has no horns, and the facial features are also totally different.

[Oxley]

Oh, in that case, they look even more drastically different, there's really no resemblance there. Demon Freddy has no horns, and the facial features are also totally different.

The horns, I know. but we never got to see the formation finish. Zombie Dude found a bust of what it would have looked like if we did. And apart from the horns you can see similarities.

[The Tall Man]

I am still unconvinced. No one on connected with the film has said as such. I'm going to have to ask for a source rather than just your assertion. But OF COURSE, there's going to be simularities-- both makeups are worn by Robert Englund. I think you're just looking WAY too far into it.

Also just because there's a bust, doesn't mean squat. There's a bust of what Jason looked like unmasked in JGTH but I don't accept it as canon (mostly because it's fucking hideous-- just a skull? Really KNB?).

T.M., Esq.

[Voorheeszilla]

Really, it's only an assertion. I've even looked at the ending scene of WCNN, and he doesn't look anything like Demon Freddy from FVJ. Color me blind but I see no similarity in the designs.

[Oxley]

I am still unconvinced. No one on connected with the film has said as such. I'm going to have to ask for a source rather than just your assertion. But OF COURSE, there's going to be simularities-- both makeups are worn by Robert Englund. I think you're just looking WAY too far into it.

Also just because there's a bust, doesn't mean squat. There's a bust of what Jason looked like unmasked in JGTH but I don't accept it as canon (mostly because it's fucking hideous-- just a skull? Really KNB?).

T.M., Esq.

I'll see if I can track it down.

Really, it's only an assertion. I've even looked at the ending scene of WCNN, and he doesn't look anything like Demon Freddy from FVJ. Color me blind but I see no similarity in the designs.

Your still missing the point. I said Inspired, not copied anyway. Even if you think they look completely different, that doesn't mean shit. All I'm saying is the idea of having Krueger look demonic would have arose from NN's concept.

[Voorheeszilla]

It didn't arise from that concept because there are no similarities. In order for something to be inspired by something else, they have to share some sort of similarities, and in this case, they don't. They look nothing alike, and the only similarity is that Englund is behind the make-up. Besides that, I don't fathom how anyone could say they look like. The fact of the matter is neither design looks like the other, nor was one inspired by the other.

[The Tall Man]

Actually for it to be considered inspired, a writer or a crew person on "Freddy vs. Jason" would have had to said they saw the demon at the end of "New Nightmare" and thought "Why don't we incorporate that into the real Freddy somewhow?" or something like that.

Inspired means that one person saw something and it set off another idea in their head. Not that "two sorta similar soncepts coexist in the same space plane." Which is pretty much all that's going on here.

T.M., Esq.

[Voorheeszilla]

That's basically what I was getting at, and that's not the case here. No one ever said Demon Freddy was inspired by the Demon's true look at the end of WCNN.

If anything, he reminds me somewhat of Darth Maul.

[Oxley]

It didn't arise from that concept because there are no similarities. In order for something to be inspired by something else, they have to share some sort of similarities, and in this case, they don't. They look nothing alike, and the only similarity is that Englund is behind the make-up. Besides that, I don't fathom how anyone could say they look like. The fact of the matter is neither design looks like the other, nor was one inspired by the other.

They don't have to look the same.
"Hey look, since Krueger was a demon in NN, lets try do something with that".

Actually for it to be considered inspired, a writer or a crew person on "Freddy vs. Jason" would have had to said they saw the demon at the end of "New Nightmare" and thought "Why don't we incorporate that into the real Freddy somewhow?" or something like that.

T.M., Esq.

So, your saying for something to be true, it has to be personally stated?

That's basically what I was getting at, and that's not the case here. No one ever said Demon Freddy was inspired by the Demon's true look at the end of WCNN.

If anything, he reminds me somewhat of Darth Maul.

....
Forget I said anything,

[Voorheeszilla]

For it to be truly inspired by the design in WCNN, someone involved with the design would've had to have said so, and nobody even mentions WCNN as far as Demon Freddy in FVJ goes.

[Jus-X]

IThere's a bust of what Jason looked like unmasked in JGTH but I don't accept it as canon (mostly because it's fucking hideous-- just a skull? Really KNB?).

T.M., Esq.

Do you have any pics?

[The Tall Man]

Ugh... fuck, Justyn. I don't know if I do or not. I don't think so. My pal, former member "The Demon Sorath" (aka "The Death Curse" aka "Ryan"), does. He's the one who showed it to me.

T.M., Esq.

[Jus-X]

Maybe Scabboy has one? That guy's got behind the scenes stills up the wazoo... he shared a good clean pick of unmasked Jason because I said the one thing that made me mad about F6 was not being able to get a good look at unmasked Jason in the beginning.

[Voorheeszilla]

Really? Where's that pic at? I'd love to see it.

[The Dream Master]

Not sure if either of these are the pics Tally's talking about, but here goes:

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/4200/norm47f6bbc082801jasong.jpg

http://www.horrordomain.com/Pics/Thumb/JASON-GOES-TO-HELL-MAKE-UP-TEST.jpg

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

^^^^ I have NEVER liked that, and I am glad we NEVER saw that on screen.

[Jus-X]

The bottom one looks okay... but the top one looks like someone took a shit, ate the shit, then shit out the shit and threw it on a poor stuntman's face!

[Voorheeszilla]

Both look horrible, especially the top one. Thank God (or the Devil, your choice) it didn't make it into the movie.

[Jus-X]

[QUOTE=Voorheeszilla;381889]Thank God (or the Devil, your choice)[QUOTE]

or Buddah...

or Mother Earth...

or The Universe...

or Gozer...

or Leviathan...

or Dennis...



I thank the studios for keeping it out.

[Rich]

I kind of like the bloody faced Jason look. I wouldn't have minded it. It actually makes sense in a way. The mask was SO fused onto his face that, remoing it would mean tearing skin off of his face to do it. The only question then becomes, "How would it actually come off if it is THAT melted onto his face?" You couldn't just knock it off like in The Final Chapter. They would have had to write a scene where a character actually pries it off with a knife or something to see what he looks like under, after the character is defeated. Maybe, the best way to have done it would have been for the coroner to have done it after he was blown up. They would have taken the mask of the face anyway.

[Jus-X]

Maybe, the best way to have done it would have been for the coroner to have done it after he was blown up. They would have taken the mask of the face anyway.

That's what I would've thought too. I don't mind the bloody idea, but still, the design looks like shit. It looks like a shitty rubber mask

[The Dream Master]

I'm pretty sure what I posted is a shitty rubber mask. I think someone made it based off a production design or something. It's not something that the effects guys on JGTH created.

[Voorheeszilla]

Thank God (or the Devil, or Jesus), because it looks horrible.

And why wasn't the scene where Jason transforms into a large demonic creature not used in the actual film?

[The Tall Man]

DM, that's not exactly the same as the picture I saw, but for all intents and purposes, that's it. Same design and everything.

I kind of like the bloody faced Jason look.
That's not a "bloody faced Jason". It's muscle. His face is gone there.

And why wasn't the scene where Jason transforms into a large demonic creature not used in the actual film?
Like most things in movies, the adult hellbaby sequence was cut for time.

The adult hellbaby is closer to what Jason's face would have looked like in the movie for my money. If you look, it has Jason's bottom jaw, has a clouded (blind) eye, and an ax mark in its head.

And stop thanking the devil, you sacreligious idjits.

T.M., Esq.

[Voorheeszilla]

Before seeing JGTH, when watching the featurette for Jason on the JX DVD, I always thought the demonic look was how he did look unmasked. I do feel that it could've been placed somewhere into the movie if Jason had an actual unmasking scene.

[Jus-X]

I'm pretty sure what I posted is a shitty rubber mask. I think someone made it based off a production design or something. It's not something that the effects guys on JGTH created.

Thank Gozer... the thing looked aweful! I'm still somewhat interested in seeing the real thing... but maybe that's long gone now?

Thank God (or the Devil, or Jesus)

Dude, make up your mind! You can't have both!


lol. VZilla reminds me of the guy in The Mummy who is about to get attacked and starts praying different religious prayers in different languages with different amulets... Christian, Buddist, Wican, Jewish, "Hey thay's the language of the slaves! Okay, you can hang out with me!" :lol:

[Voorheeszilla]

:lol: Would you guys be disappointed if I chose the Devil? I mean, this is the F13 board afterall.

And does anyone have a clear pic of the demon creature Jason transformed into in JGTH?

[Jus-X]

Here's the face: http://216.69.134.192/deletedhorrorscenes/jgth-demon.jpg
ADDED:
And the body
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p239/justyn_25/Movies/Friday%209%20JGTH/images.jpg

[Voorheeszilla]

Thanks for posting, and I think that is a pretty damn good design, especially after that terrible design from part eight.

[The Tall Man]

I mean, this is the F13 board afterall.
I find that statement semi-offensive.

My movie tastes have no baring on my spiritual affiliation.

T.M., Esq.

[Voorheeszilla]

If it's semi-offensive then I've done my job. :p

No, I'm kidding, the whole post was in jest, though, it's not really meant to be offensive, nor was it meant to downgrade F13. I meant that since we all worship a guy in a hockey mask who kills people, why not worship the Devil as well? :p

[The Tall Man]

Speak for yourself please. I do not worship Jason.

T.M., Esq.

[Voorheeszilla]

Once again, it wasn't meant in a literal sense, but if you take it offensively when it's clearly all in jest, there's nothing I can do about it.

[The Tall Man]

ADDED:
And the body
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p239/justyn_25/Movies/Friday%209%20JGTH/images.jpg
Waiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit a second... Justyn can't fool me... forever.

That is not the adult hellbaby. That's one of the deleted tree demons that grab Jason's arms and head and drag him under the first time. Here's the picture in better resolution:
http://retroslashers.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/robert-kurtzman-jason-goes-to-hell-demon.jpg

The adult hellbaby was a man-in-a-suit contraption with a long tail, big enough for Steven Williams to wrestle around with.

T.M., Esq.

[Voorheeszilla]

Why didn't they go with the whole tree demons idea?

[The Tall Man]

They did. The footage was shot and later cut. Why it was cut? Probably because it looked fake as hell.

T.M., Esq.

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

Why it was cut? Probably because it looked fake as hell.

Good lordy, it looked TERRIBLE.

[Voorheeszilla]

I definitely prefer the ending with the hands of Hell coming out of the ground to grab Jason and bring him to Hell. It somewhat reminds me of what happens at the beginning of God of War II.

[Rich]

I wish the DVD would have at least given us that footage. I am glad that Jason turned back into Jason at the end of the movie though.