Hellraiser (Farmer & Lussier off?) [Archive]

The Dream Master

07-24-2007, 03:31 AM

The original Hairspray is only 19 years old, so this isn't surprising at all.

From Barker himself:

"I just want to have five minutes to bring you up to date on the Hellraiser situation, so that we don’t surprise anybody!

"They’re going to remake Hellraiser One with a lot more money and they’ve invited me to write it – the invitation came from Bob Weinstein – which I am going to do, on the basis that if I don’t do it, it will be done in some way that I probably won’t like!

"It’s only that one that I really, really, really care about in terms of its remake value - and it’ll be kind of fun to have the extra money to do the effects and all that cool stuff.

"So it puts me in the situation of writing both the beginning and the end of Pinhead at the same time – ‘In my end is my beginning…’ I’m not in the middle, as it were, I’m leaving out his middle age, I’m just dealing with his beginning and his end.

"I’m excited about it - actually it’ll be kinda cool to revisit it once and see if there are things we can do to it which will make it significantly better.

"I wouldn’t wish to direct – I only want to write and be a part of the producing team. I wouldn’t want to revisit something that I did as a director, something that I did all those years ago: that would be too, in a way, painful - not painful but weird, difficult, strange…

"I am very happy at the idea of having some more money for the cool stuff – I don’t know how much more money, but it’s got to be more than the $900,000 that we had the first time!"

jayTL

07-24-2007, 03:55 AM

lets hope it isn't a Pinhead movie. i like Barker doing it too

Mutant Leprechaun

07-24-2007, 03:38 PM

If it was anyone but Barker writing this I'd probably be disgusted. The only thing that really bothers me is that Doug Bradley doesn't seem to be playing Pinhead in this movie from what I've heard.

Shouldn't be too bad though if they stick to the original story.

Alex DeLarge

07-24-2007, 06:54 PM

As I said before, maybe I'm just a Barker fanboy, but I cannot wait. Hellrasier! On the big screen. You see, I don't view this as a "remake" per say. Barker's already reinvented the universe with a brand new HUMONGOUS Hellraiser book called "The Scarlet Gospels," which will be coming out somewhat-soon (when exactly, who knows:p). And so to me, this isn't so much a remake like TCM but more how the events of the first movie in this new universe instead of the old one. If that makes any sense...

And Barker said he wants Doug back. Whether the Weinstiens agree, we'll see. But remember: for years, they felt like putting ONLY Doug's face on the DVD and that Transformers is a HUGE hit, with both the public and the fanboys and one of the reasons on the fanboy side is bringing back Peter Cullen, for nostalgic reasons AND he's a damn fine actor. Let's hope they'll agree...

Ron

07-24-2007, 07:27 PM

How good can this possibly be? There seems to be no change. Barker. Bradley. Boring.

Alex DeLarge

07-24-2007, 08:15 PM

How good can this possibly be? There seems to be no change. Barker. Bradley. Boring.

Barker is a completely different writer now than he is then. He has a LOT more experience. Pinhead as a character will be entirely different in the Scarlet Gospels and so I assume this. And we have no idea how much the actual plot of Kirsty and Frank will be changed. Acting wise, like Tranformers, it'll probably just be Doug back. No Ashley Laurence (except maybe a cameo) or any of those people. Besides, since this Pinhead is "new," I think Doug would be perfect. He knows what worked and didn't work about the other Pinhead and I can see him changing it considerably, while still making you feel like "THIS IS PINHEAD."

To me, it's like the Rebuild of Evangelion. The same people coming back years later to retell the story after having more experience and a different world view... Barker's NOT the kind of writer who does a "Psycho" remake. His "retellings" of stories genuinely differ greatly, while capturing the same tone, not unlike Doug above, which is what every remake should strive for. Give it a chance.

Ron

07-24-2007, 08:21 PM

i just think that having Bradley come back would be like having englund return as freddy for ANOES remake. why bother? but i will give it a chance before i open my mouth and make assumptions.

Alex DeLarge

07-24-2007, 10:40 PM

Because experience. Because he's playing Pinhead since the late 80s. He knows Pinhead in and out, what works, what doesn't. It's a guarantee he'll rock. This is a full blown major motion picture! He's got the old world watching so you know he'll give it 110%. And this Pinhead is massively different, so you know he'll try new things too, so it won't be the same old Pinhead. It'll be different, but with Doug's voice, you know for sure, it is Pinhead, just like Optimus. Personally, if they have someone this experienced, with this much enthusiasm for the character, who IS the character to both myself and Clive and many others, "why bother" getting someone new? Waste of time better spent on other areas IMO.:p

Scarecrow

07-24-2007, 10:48 PM

It's a mute point at the moment as all we now for sure is that barker has done a draft of a script.... we don't even know if the Weinstien's will even like his work yet!

- Scarecrow

Alex DeLarge

07-24-2007, 10:51 PM

It's a mute point at the moment as all we now for sure is that barker has done a draft of a script.... we don't even know if the Weinstien's will even like his work yet!

- Scarecrow

Well, there's nothing wrong with a bit o' hypothetical speculation now, is there?;)

Ron

07-24-2007, 11:12 PM

hopefully the Weinsteins don't screw this one up.

Just Jeans

07-25-2007, 12:36 AM

why bother?

Because we're not going to see Hellraiser 30: Hellsucked in the theater, whether Barker writes it or not. The only way the series can return and become a theatrical success is to shed ties with the nonstop string of DTV trash we've been getting. This sounds like what Don Coscarelli was going to do with the Phantasm remake -- try and keep the same cast, but do it in a bigger, better way, and return the franchise to its theatrical roots.

It gives the franchise the chance to be special again, rather than the endless string of mediocre garbage we've been getting direct to DVD for the last 15 years.

Alex DeLarge

07-25-2007, 01:37 AM

Because we're not going to see Hellraiser 30: Hellsucked in the theater, whether Barker writes it or not. The only way the series can return and become a theatrical success is to shed ties with the nonstop string of DTV trash we've been getting. This sounds like what Don Coscarelli was going to do with the Phantasm remake -- try and keep the same cast, but do it in a bigger, better way, and return the franchise to its theatrical roots.

It gives the franchise the chance to be special again, rather than the endless string of mediocre garbage we've been getting direct to DVD for the last 15 years.

Hear, hear! (Despite the fact that I like one of the DTVs a lot:p) Even at their best, they're so obviously held back by budget difficulties. As said, Gary had NO money to make Cenobites unique by the time the last two came around, despite tons of ideas to. This is giving Hellraiser the time and money that it always deserved and never got. It doesn't even bother me that they're retelling a story, just because Barker's involved. I'd be just as happy if he was doing another horror remake. Barker has always had a way of retelling stories that both capture the original's feel and produce quality and brilliant new twists, based on your expectations of the original.

CampNewBlood

07-25-2007, 03:56 AM

A Hellraiser movie without Doug Bradley playing Pinhead is ridiculous. His name alone is synonomous with the character. He has the perfect voice, that accent.

Noone can recreate that. Noone.

Wheatjedi

07-25-2007, 04:17 AM

So wait.... is Doug Bradley in this or not? The way he was talking about it last month at Texas Frightmare Weekend, he had nothing to do with it yet.

The Dream Master

07-25-2007, 04:21 AM

No one knows, really. There hasn't been very much official information lately (not to my knowledge, anyway).

Wheatjedi

07-25-2007, 04:25 AM

Okay. I hope he does get to be in it. I'm cool with a remake as long as Barker is writing it and Bradley is Pinhead.

Alex DeLarge

07-25-2007, 04:25 AM

So wait.... is Doug Bradley in this or not? The way he was talking about it last month at Texas Frightmare Weekend, he had nothing to do with it yet.

As of right now, he does not. BUT Barker has gone on record saying he wants Doug. He's got some leeway I presume (being both writer and producer), so now, it's just up to whether the heads of Dimension and the director will agree or not.

Lammert

07-25-2007, 09:10 AM

Doug is Pinhead... it's like how Englund is Freddy... you can't change them!

Dave Dunwoody

07-25-2007, 09:47 AM

Scarecrow

07-25-2007, 09:51 AM

Certainly interetsing that this will be the first remake to create an entirly new myhtology. All the others keep the basics but most of the HR mythos was set up in Part 2 and the comics.

So, just going from the original source, we won't have Levaithan, the Labrynth or any of that... an entirly new mythology. And, if The Sacrlet Gospels, is anything to go by, we'll have a fallen Lucifer and a city within Hell!

- Scarecrow

Alex DeLarge

07-25-2007, 09:51 AM

This is one remake that I'm really excited about. I want to see Clive's matured vision of the character he created, and I want to see Bradley play it. I hope he does tie it into The Scarlet Gospels, which I can't fucking wait to read. I think this is going to be a very unique event in horror.

In one interview, someone asked him if he was going to tie it in and he said something akin to "Oh, definately! How couldn't I?" ;):D

Spade

07-25-2007, 12:47 PM

I'm not usually happy about remakes, but I wouldn't mind seing a Hellraiser remake. As long as Bradley is Pinhead.

Take care and God bless.

Spade

Brett H.

07-25-2007, 01:07 PM

I actually am excited about this one. I love Pinhead, but I think only 1 and 2 of the series used the whole idea to its full potential. I didn't mind 4 (!) and 3 was good for cheese. But, 5 pretty much was terrible. I own 6 and I doubt it's much different, but I've not watched it yet. 7 and 8, I'll get when they're low in price.

But if Barker writes it and the director doesn't MTV it up too bad, I think we might have a nice little picture on our hands. I hope Bradley returns as Pinhead, as it doesn't make much sense for him not to. Really, I can't get enough of the old horror franchises, and unless the director really fucks up on Barker's script, there's no way this one can't be better than the DTV shit that's been coming out lately. I will admit to not have seen all of them, but from what I gather, it doesn't look good.

The only reason I am worried a bit is because I didn't think a Halloween remake could be fucked up too badly either. Enter Rob Zombie.:ballshot: But, if Barker is involved (and he seems to care, unlike Carpenter), all should be at least good for a watch.

Ron

07-26-2007, 02:05 AM

This movie may even be better without Pinhead and a fresh new villain:X

Just Jeans

07-26-2007, 04:03 AM

Doing a Hellraiser film without Pinhead would be like doing a JAWS film without a killer shark. Or a Nightmare on Elm Street without Freddy.

The Dream Master

07-26-2007, 04:12 AM

Heh, don't give the studios any ideas there, Jeans.

Alex DeLarge

07-26-2007, 04:31 AM

Doing a Hellraiser film without Pinhead would be like doing a JAWS film without a killer shark. Or a Nightmare on Elm Street without Freddy.

Don't think it's QUITE that extreme. The Cenobites, IMO, should never be the main focus. They were the main focus TWICE out of 8 movies, the two best having the just about least amount. I do think Pinhead should stay on, but the comics and such have GREAT stories without Pinhead so I don't think it's necessary to tell a Hellraiser STORY (note: not film) without him.

Pinhead should also NOT be the villain. The villain should be a third character. The best films have the good guys, the bad guys and the Cenobites, neutral, all powerful, fucking up both sides.

Dave Dunwoody

07-26-2007, 05:29 AM

Scarecrow, you allude to The Scarlet Gospels as featuring Lucifer and a city within Hell. Is there somewhere that I can read more about what will be in The Scarlet Gospels? Is it on your site/forum? (Edit: I just read the latest bit in Leviathan's Lamentations, is that all the info Barker has offered?)

Sidetrack: I notice that a lot of people disliked part 5 (including Barker), but I enjoyed it a lot for its visuals and storyline. Pinhead in this one is criticized as being a Christianized demon, punishing Sheffer for his selfishness and immorality, but I think Pinhead just happens to appear that way because Joseph Thorn's Hell, by his own design (or "engineering"), called for the Cenobites to take on that type of role. Whereas in the case of people like Frank Cotton or Kirsty's husband in Hellseeker, their personal Hells are shaped by other aspects of their characters. I think this is done for each person in order to maximize their pain and/or pleasure.

Alex DeLarge

07-26-2007, 05:39 AM

Scarecrow, you allude to The Scarlet Gospels as featuring Lucifer and a city within Hell. Is there somewhere that I can read more about what will be in The Scarlet Gospels? Is it on your site/forum?

Sidetrack: I notice that a lot of people disliked part 5, but I enjoyed it a lot for its visuals and storyline. Pinhead in this one is criticized as being a Christianized demon, punishing Sheffer for his selfishness and immorality, but I think Pinhead just happens to appear that way because Joseph Thorn's Hell, by his own design (or "engineering"), called for the Cenobites to take on that type of role. Whereas in the case of people like Frank Cotton or Kirsty's husband in Hellseeker, their personal Hells are shaped by other aspects of their characters. I think this is done for each person in order to maximize their pain and/or pleasure.

http://www.clivebarker.info/newbooksd.html

BUNCHS of interviews and snippets from Clive concerning Scarlet Gospels and its content.

Dave Dunwoody

07-26-2007, 05:41 AM

Thanks Alex :)

Alex DeLarge

07-26-2007, 05:56 AM

No problem. Reading through them, it sounds like we're in for a helluva good time. Also, it's funny hearing him back in 1993 describing it as a tiny short story he's planning and here we are expecting it in 2007 as one of Clive's most epic novels...:p

Just Jeans

07-26-2007, 06:29 AM

Don't think it's QUITE that extreme. The Cenobites, IMO, should never be the main focus.

The shark should never be the main focus of a JAWS movie, but it wouldn't be JAWS without the shark. And it wouldn't be Hellraiser without Pinhead.

Pinhead should also NOT be the villain...

In the same way the shark shouldn't be the villain in JAWS. It's just a big animal that's following its instinct. The characters and their inability to cooperate is what brought about the deaths following Chrissy Watkins -- Alex and the man in the small boat could have been saved had it not been for the Mayor's refusal to close the beaches. Quint could have been saved if not for his inability to get along with Brody and Hooper.

JAWS and Hellraiser are two franchises that (should be) unique in that respect. Neither the shark nor Pinhead need be the focus, but it wouldn't be the same without them.

Scarecrow

07-26-2007, 09:49 AM

Sidetrack: I notice that a lot of people disliked part 5 (including Barker), but I enjoyed it a lot for its visuals and storyline. Pinhead in this one is criticized as being a Christianized demon, punishing Sheffer for his selfishness and immorality, but I think Pinhead just happens to appear that way because Joseph Thorn's Hell, by his own design (or "engineering"), called for the Cenobites to take on that type of role. Whereas in the case of people like Frank Cotton or Kirsty's husband in Hellseeker, their personal Hells are shaped by other aspects of their characters. I think this is done for each person in order to maximize their pain and/or pleasure.

I entirley agree.

In fact, what Pinhead essentially does is deconstruct Joseph and Joseph's own perception of himself. Frank, as a human, had desires and appetites and Frank admitted that. He was a bastard but at leats he was honest with himself, and the Cenobites gave him their pleasures.

Josepth isn't honest at ALL. He wants all the pleasures of the flesh but at the same denies and excuses this... something bound to piss the Cenobites off. So he says he's a morale man, but wants affairs... and justifies it that he's keeping himself coming home and "whose to say what's right and what's wrong". He thinks finding the child would be "the one good thing" he'd do and it'd ,make up for everything else. He does drugs and lies to his partner but he doesn't ACCEPT his desires but makes excuses for them.

Pinhead's litany is about saying to Joseph, "these are the morale terms YOU claim to be playing by... and these are the results". Pinhead plays Josepth at his own game and showed Joseph how utterly wrong he is and in doing so destroys Joseph's belief in himself and his own sense of goodness.

- Scarecrow

Lammert

07-26-2007, 09:59 AM

I also enjoy Inferno, finally something that was more true to the Hellraiser roots(atleast to me).
I enjoyed Hellseeker even more, what a great film!

Utellme

08-05-2007, 11:04 PM

Is Doug Bradley young enough to do Pinhead ? I'm just asking it's not like Pinhead has to do a lot of running around and jumping etc.Just the voice and face got to be right i guess ? How many Hellraisers are there 4 ?

The Dream Master

08-05-2007, 11:19 PM

I think the last Hellraiser was the eighth film in the series. Given how much makeup is involved with the Pinhead character, I'd say Bradley's age isn't a factor at all, really.

Utellme

08-05-2007, 11:25 PM

I have seen 1,2,3 and i think one in space ?

The Dream Master

08-05-2007, 11:28 PM

Bloodlines was the one in space, and that was the fourth film. There's four others out there, but I haven't seen the most recent two.

Utellme

08-05-2007, 11:36 PM

Hows the one in space is it good ? I cant remember it much. Is there a box set for Hellraisers ?

The Dream Master

08-05-2007, 11:40 PM

No box set because (as is the case with Halloween) different companies own different installments. Anchor Bay has the first two films, Paramount owns the third, and I know Dimension owns at least a couple of the rest.

Wheatjedi

08-08-2007, 01:13 PM

Dread Central is reporting that this Hellraiser remake may be dead in the water. Check it out at Dread Central (http://www.dreadcentral.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2796).

Scarecrow

08-08-2007, 07:29 PM

Like how they had a picture from the sequel...

But, yeah, this isn't a HUGE surprise, and Barker has been talking lately about how it's less a 'remake' and more a 'reimagining' and I'm not sure if that's what Dimension were after.

To be honest, remaking Hell on Earth might be the best bet to please Dimension. :P

- Scarecrow

DRE

08-08-2007, 07:39 PM

I think Bob and Harvey were really hurt by the demise of Grindhouse (They gave away "All the Boys Love Mandy Lane" because of it), but I believe they are taking a 'wait and see how Halloween does approach' (Much like New Line/Platinum Dunes is for the Friday Remake) before moving ahead with Hellraiser.

Just Jeans

08-09-2007, 03:58 AM

I think DRE is right. This is probably a case of wait and see, although I'm not entirely sure why everyone would be waiting to see how Halloween does at the box office, unless their plan is to mimic Rob Zombie and remake their films in the same way he's done. Just because Halloween does well/bombs doesn't mean Friday the 13th or Hellraiser will do well/bomb.

The Dream Master

08-09-2007, 07:35 AM

Jeans, I think it does confirm that there's a market out there for remakes of classic horror films. You'd think that the good performance of the TCM at the box office would have signalled this, but I guess all the studios are waiting to see if the market is still there. I'm not expert at this, but given the cyclical nature of Hollywood, I'm betting that thought process is running through some exec's head right now.

DRE

08-09-2007, 07:50 AM

I agree DM, and I think when Halloween becomes a huge success (I have no doubt that it will be a smash) it will reopen the flood gates.

Scarecrow

08-09-2007, 08:45 AM

i just have this growing sense that the Barker script will be passed over for some 'hip/young' interpretation... with added Pinhead.

- Scarecrow

DRE

08-09-2007, 08:48 AM

If Bob and Harvey are that stupid....

Well...maybe I shouldn't answer that.

El Rooto

08-10-2007, 12:25 AM

I agree DM, and I think when Halloween becomes a huge success (I have no doubt that it will be a smash) it will reopen the flood gates.

Has there been a horror movie that made a good amount of money at the box office this year? :shifty:

CosmoBubba

08-10-2007, 02:31 AM

Has there been a horror movie that made a good amount of money at the box office this year? :shifty:

Disturbia and 1408 did pretty well, didn't they?

DRE

08-10-2007, 02:43 AM

Disturbia and 1408 did pretty well, didn't they?

They did. With Halloween, I mean the flood gates for remakes and slasher films, which have been on very short supply. Hills Have Eyes 2 tanked, TCM: The Beginning and The Hitcher didn't do so well, I guess that made the studios shift gears and go into cruise mode until the next big thing rolls around (In this case, the remake of an utter classic.)

El Rooto

08-10-2007, 03:06 AM

I kinda figured you meant slashers and remakes, but I was thinking of R-rated horror when I said that.

DRE

08-10-2007, 03:09 AM

I think horror and thrillers have been doing well (With the exception of Hostel II), and Saw IV will no doubt be the highest grossing horror film this year if Halloween doesn't take that spot.

Scarecrow

08-10-2007, 10:34 AM

I wonder if a Hellraiser remake would use the popularity of Saw to really go into the torture aspects of the cenobites and Hell.

- Scarecrow

DRE

08-10-2007, 05:28 PM

That would be interesting, but at the same time Hellraiser is so far beyond that. For me, no Saw film can stand with Hellraiser and Hellbound, no matter how good they are.

Ron

08-11-2007, 02:52 AM

I think comparing the two franchises is a bit like mixing apples with oranges. There both so different, but great in there own ways.

The Dream Master

08-12-2007, 06:48 AM

i just have this growing sense that the Barker script will be passed over for some 'hip/young' interpretation... with added Pinhead.

I've been thinking about this remake, and I think you're exactly right. I mean, could you imagine if anything even remotely resembling the original film were released to theaters now? You'd be hearing all kinds of complaints, the chief of which would be "omg teh Pinhed wasn't even in the movie!!!1!".

Scarecrow

08-12-2007, 03:16 PM

I do think that Pinhead will be in the film more that the original, even in Barker's script. But it's the nature and the way it's done that I think will be different.

- Scarecrow

Ron

08-12-2007, 04:04 PM

Well, it's understandable that Pinhead would have more screen time in this remake because he's become a staple in the franchise.

francesco

09-25-2007, 09:55 AM

is it dead in the water?

Bojangles

09-25-2007, 12:40 PM

At least Barker is in on it.

francesco

09-25-2007, 02:17 PM

i thought that after the success of Halloween The weinstein had run into the hellraiser remake production immediately. But they didn't!

Scarecrow

09-25-2007, 05:24 PM

Well, A script has been written by Barker in a form, its up to the Weinsteisn what they do with it...

- Scarecrow

francesco

09-25-2007, 05:40 PM

Damn...weinstein!

Nick Michalak

09-26-2007, 01:59 AM

I wouldn't say it's dead in the water, more like up in the air. Barker's written the script, but no news on anything beyond that. If for nothing else, check http://www.clivebarker.info/news.html - it's his official website. If there's any life to the production, it'll show up here.

-NJM

killaG

09-27-2007, 06:54 AM

I hope it's not dead. I'd love to see a remake. Anythings better than the DTV Hellraiser movies they've been putting out.

Scarecrow

09-27-2007, 12:31 PM

I think the direct to video Helraisers were (Hellworld aside) far superior to the last two to hit the cinema's so hey. To be honest, my one real desire, is to have Hellraiser in the cinema to make it big again, to get people interested and renew fandom to a mass audience who then discover the wonder of the original series and comics.

- Scarecrow

killaG

09-28-2007, 01:54 AM

MaDMaNMaRz

09-28-2007, 04:21 AM

For some reason I could never get into the straight to video ones. I really only liked the first three. Bloodline was terrible though.

Me too. I basically only like the first 3. The only thing I really liked about Bloodline were the Cenobites. Other than that, I couldn't get into it really.

Nick Michalak

09-28-2007, 04:47 AM

For some reason I could never get into the straight to video ones. I really only liked the first three. Bloodline was terrible though.
Well, you won't get any argument from Scarecrow on that. Bane of the franchise for him. I have a less clear cut take on that, but Bloodlines was a pathetic shell of what it was originally intended to be (let alone what Kevin Yagher had directed it to be).

-NJM

killaG

09-28-2007, 06:45 AM

I agree with you MaDMaNMaRz the cenobites were pretty cool in Bloodline, saddly they got put in one of the worst films. Hell the deaths in Bloodline were even cool. I still can't believe that this move could be as bad as it is.

Scarecrow

09-28-2007, 07:37 AM

Well, you won't get any argument from Scarecrow on that. Bane of the franchise for him. I have a less clear cut take on that, but Bloodlines was a pathetic shell of what it was originally intended to be (let alone what Kevin Yagher had directed it to be).

-NJM

I think you're forgetting Hellworld. :p

But yeah, there's a lot of problems with Bloodline. It's mainly made worse by knowing the original storyline had so much drama and I hate the way the character of Angelique was "castrated", as it were.

- Scarecrow

francesco

09-28-2007, 11:07 AM

Clint form Moviehole told me that the remake won't coming soon, 'cause it found several problems!

Just Jeans

09-28-2007, 02:45 PM

Is Clint involved in the production, or is he reporting hearsay? Or is this the official word from on-high?

francesco

09-29-2007, 01:40 PM

I think he's just informed better than us.

Joshg

09-29-2007, 01:47 PM

2008? Remake of a 21 year old film. :side:

I've heard of 22 year old, but 21? Meh!

Nick Michalak

09-29-2007, 04:38 PM

I think you're forgetting Hellworld. :p

But yeah, there's a lot of problems with Bloodline. It's mainly made worse by knowing the original storyline had so much drama and I hate the way the character of Angelique was "castrated", as it were.

- Scarecrow
Oh, Hellworld was horrid! Terrible film with such a idiotic story, and all around confusing premise. Almost none of the sequels past Hellbound truly capture the essence of what Hellraiser is meant to be. Also, notice how a lot of shitty horror films these days cast Lance Henriksen to try adding some credibility to the film, but all it does it drag Lance's already non-existent status further down the drain?

Personally, I find Hell On Earth to be a very poorly executed film. I just dislike certain ideas that contradict the established rules. This isn't to say that I despise the film as it's a good mindless horror film, but I'd rather watch the original film. And Bloodline was such a disappointing lost opportunity once you know the original premise and story (which was 10,000x better). I'd only really want this remake to happen to just give the franchise a clean start, and try to keep it on track with Clive's personal vision. The franchise has just spiraled too far off course to be enjoyable anymore.

-NJM

Scarecrow

09-29-2007, 05:16 PM

I wouldn't go that far.

I'd say it got a bit lost in Hollywood with 3 and 4 and found the right path with 5-7 but couldn't quite manage to go in a straight line, to really stretch the metaphor. Judging from what we know of Scarlet Gospels and the like, I do think the "new" series will be utterly new. Sharing the same origins, the firts film/novella, but losing Leviathan and the concept of Hell from Hellbound and the comics.

- Scarecrow

Cody

10-04-2007, 03:50 AM

Looks like (http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/news/10063) this one's moving forward after all -

Out of all the news we've brought you over the past several years, this has got to be one of the best... Bloody-Disgusting learned exclusively that both Alexandre Bustillo and Julien Maury are in hard negotiations to helm the remake of Clive Barker's Hellraiser for Dimension Films! If you've been keeping up with us during TIFF, you'd know that we flipped over the duo's horror film, Inside (À l'intérieur; review (http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/film/1739)), which the Weinstein's acquired in Cannes. Just wait until you see this movie, it's going to restore your faith in this remake. We'll keep you posted when the news becomes official.

francesco

10-04-2007, 08:48 AM

oh yes. next Halloween 2008 we'll get the new hellraiser!

Scarecrow

10-04-2007, 10:04 AM

oh yes. next Halloween 2008 we'll get the new hellraiser!

And Saw V, of course. :p

But this is an interesting bit of news, certainly, though I won't believe it until its confirmed. Simply because that's ALWAYS the best policy.

As excited as I am about bringing it back to the masses, I'll still miss the old mythology which I guess will live on in fanfilms. Still, with seven(eight...) films, over one-hundred comic stories and several short stories, this series has had a lot better run than most horror franchises.

Here's to the New Hellraiser!

- Scarecrow

Dave Dunwoody

10-04-2007, 05:20 PM

Yeah, I'll miss the old mythos dearly. At the same time, I haven't been this excited about a remake in ages. (I don't know if I've ever been excited about a remake.)

francesco

10-05-2007, 03:18 PM

a good remake made under barker could be very good. Barker+money= good!

Cody

10-05-2007, 04:26 PM

What STYD (http://www.shocktillyoudrop.com/news/topnews.php?id=1522) hears

Various sources speaking on the anonymous tip tell ShockTillYouDrop.com that helmers Alexandre Bustillo and Julien Maury are directing Dimension Films' Hellraiser remake. They'll be writing a script based on Clive Barker's treatment.

... News on Hellraiser went quiet as Barker hashed out a 40-page Dimension-approved treatment. This week, B-D received the scoop Bustillo and Maury - French visionaries responsible for the extreme thriller Inside - were "in negotations" with the brothers Weinstein.

Word is, things will move fast now that the project has found directorial guidance.

DRE

10-06-2007, 03:10 AM

Well, I just may have been wrong about an Elm Street remake jump starting the Hellraiser remake, it may be the other way around.

Scarecrow

10-06-2007, 11:10 AM

Well, it seems a safe bet to say the succes of Halloween remake is what kicked this into gear. The Weinsteins want to make the mso tof all their properties.

- Scarecrow

francesco

10-06-2007, 04:24 PM

there won't be any nightmare remake. robert shaye loves nightmare too much it was their first success.

I think all these studios are afraid about the strike on next june. it's why they are running to produce them.

DRE

10-07-2007, 02:43 AM

Scarecrow

10-07-2007, 10:14 AM

If they recast Pinhead I can't see it being too long until Freddy goes the same way...

- Scarecrow

DRE

10-07-2007, 11:26 PM

That's what I believe. And if you look at it, this means that no one is safe from recast. If you can recast a role like Pinhead or Freddy or especially Captain Kirk and Spock, roles that were defined and embodied by actors of Doug, Robert, Shatner and Nimoy's caliber, then no one is safe.

Watch out Tobin Bell, in fifteen years they'll be coming for you too!

Deathscythe

10-08-2007, 02:19 AM

These last couple of posts have made me very sad. :(

Scarecrow

10-08-2007, 08:22 AM

These last couple of posts have made me very sad. :(

I have seen the future of horror. It's name is Hollywood Remakes.

:p

- Scarecrow

francesco

10-08-2007, 05:45 PM

Don't be too sure about that Francesco, Bob Shaye also loves money and if this Friday reboot makes money what do you think they are gonna look at next? Critters? (Although I'm sure that one is coming too.)

You can bet that ANOES is coming up soon, as much as I'd hate for it to happen, I'm just being realistic and preparing for it.

probably u r right, but if he loves so much money why he didn't go ahead to make freddy vs jason 2 after the success of fvsj? I mean, it was the most sure thing!:confused:

if u take a look to the extra on the nightmare dvd u can hear shyre say that if he could turn back time probably he'd never make all of those sequels!!!

DRE

10-08-2007, 09:12 PM

I think they didn't do an immediate sequel because TCM was the one that "Caught on" while FvsJ really just helped AVP get made. They probably knew FvsJ was just a one time event, a fluke. And really, I agree that it was.

francesco

10-12-2007, 05:05 PM

News from Dread Central

Hellraiser Remake Talk
Submitted by Johnny Butane on Fri, 10/12/2007 - 1:55pm.

Inside directors talk Hellraiser remake!It’s not much, but we do love bits and pieces on the new Hellraiser movie, especially since the directors behind festival hit Inside are on board to make it.

Twitch Film caught up with the pair, Julien Maury and Alexandre Bustillo, and got them to spill a bit of info about their plans for the redux; ”We don’t want to remake exactly the Clive Barker movie.” Bustillo told the site, ”We have met Clive and told him what we want to do with “Hellraiser” and he said, “It’s f**king good do it!” We are happy to have his benediction. It will not be a remake. It will still be called “Hellraiser” and it will have a new Pinhead.”

Clive Barker talks about the Hellraiser remake!The two go on to confirm that while they’re fans of the original (of course) and the sequels, they just don’t see the need to re-tell the same story. In a recent, massive interview with IGN, Clive Barker admits that he's been trying to get something new from the franchise for years; ” I'd actually gone to Weinstein four movies ago and said, "Look, let's reinvent this guy. Let's put him in white. Let's start playing against the accepted, the cliche." And, of course, he wouldn't do that.” Of course, now that the franchise has been beaten to death, they’re looking for new blood, so to speak.

Clive seems happy with the Weinsteins choice on who should be responsible for the movie, too, "They were sitting here last week and were extremely respectful of the material. So I said, "Go for it, guys.""

Personally I’m excited to see what some new visionary directors can do with Clive’s vision of hell. Keep it here for more updates as we learn them!

- Johnny Butane

hack slash

10-12-2007, 08:33 PM

Barker's not writing the script!!:( but he likes what they are doing:D

DRE

10-13-2007, 02:16 AM

That pretty much sums it up, poor Doug is out. Too bad "Hellworld" had to be the end of his original "Lead Cenobite." Nobody is ever gonna top Doug Bradley's original Hellraiser and Hellbound performances, he will forever be Pinhead to me.

Look over your shoulder Robert, they're coming for you next!

Deathscythe

10-13-2007, 04:50 AM

Look over your shoulder Robert, they're coming for you next!

Englund would only have one thing to say to Bob Shaye:

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/6820/srevenge0001es9.jpg

"Recast yourself, fucker!":D

DRE

10-13-2007, 06:17 AM

:bow:

That's a good one Deathscythe.

francesco

10-13-2007, 01:55 PM

hope it's a pre-strike project too.

Scarecrow

10-13-2007, 07:20 PM

Poor Doug Bradley. :(

Alas, the old series has ended. Though it ended on a high with Deader being the best since the first two (Hellworld? What's Hellworld?*). Still, that's a whole mythology with no new material, an entire universe of films, books, comics and stories. A shame to see it end.

Interested in the new stuff but I have a feeling it's going to be too mainstream. i mean mainstream audiences ARE needed but a film doens't have to pander to them, HR1 and HR2 didn't. Not saying for certain, they could be great. But I worry there may be a little too much HR3 and Pinhead./Cenobites portrayed as "monsters trapped in box, let out, kill, must be trapped".

But then Barker lieks what they're doing. I have to push away the old stories, the old mythology. Time to try and embrace the new!

- Scarecrow

*I consider Hellworld a new-nightmare-style spin-off, as most of the on-screen evidence does point to this though the ending muddies it slightly... but then the film makes no sense anyway...

Deathscythe

10-13-2007, 08:21 PM

Well, Doug Bradley could still have a cameo in the movie. :/

DRE

10-13-2007, 10:23 PM

Spade

10-13-2007, 11:00 PM

Do you think they will go for a new design for Pinhead? Do you think they should?

I know that wasn't directed at me, but that is a good question. Maybe they'll go with the original concept from The Hellbound Heart (jeweled pins and all).

Geomonic

10-13-2007, 11:05 PM

I had no idea they were remaking this! damn, my fingers well off the pulse.

No Doug Bradley? That's not good. He's as vital to the series as Englund is to ANOES. This has really knocked my expectations of this film. People are saying it's gonna be mainstream, and we all know it is. We can hope it won't be, but as long as it has a theatrical release, Pinhead will be in it for 3/4 of the movie, and there'll be heavy rock music as the soundtrack. Can't wait. :side:

Has anyone seen Doug in the direct line advert? I felt very sad seeing him in that. :(

DRE

10-13-2007, 11:40 PM

I know that wasn't directed at me, but that is a good question. Maybe they'll go with the original concept from The Hellbound Heart (jeweled pins and all).

That would be interesting Spade, I had forgotten about that.

I'm all for a redesign, just to keep the two versions separate.

Deathscythe

10-14-2007, 04:15 AM

Replacing Doug Bradley dose make sense through. They'd want the new Hellraiser series to last a couple of years and Bradley is already pushing his mid 50s.

Still, Doug Bradley will always be awesome.

Geomonic

10-14-2007, 11:22 AM

With the make up and such, Doug would be exactly the same as a new, younger actor. He also knows the character, he's been him for god knows how many films. It'd also avoid the constant comparisons between the new actor and Bradley, if they kept him in it.

A shake up would be good, no doubt about it. However I think some things need to stay the same, and the casting of Pinhead is one of them. Just my opinion though.

Scarecrow

10-14-2007, 06:01 PM

Some people sya this will be closer to the novella, one site even states this as fact. I really doubt this. I think it'll be further from the novella... which doesn't even HAVE "Pinhead" as we understand him. Just one Cenobite of many who has the grid / pin design but also "a voice like an excited girl".

I think this will deal with the torture and mutilation aspects of the cenobites, as poperalised by the saw films, and deal with a mainly new story. More like Rob Zombie's Halloween, I guess, than, say, Psycho or The Omen.

- Scarecrow

French Friday

10-14-2007, 06:45 PM

As the original Hellraiser series is now ended, I decided (finally !) to get and watch the series and I just bought the Puzzle Box from UK with the uncut 1-3. I then try to find 4-8 and will watch them as a marathon a week-end certainly.

As for this remake, as always, I prefer them to take a different way, with hopefully new characters, new plot points, just to make it less "comparisonable" with the original series. That's why The Thing, TCM and Dawn of the Dead work so good IMO. They were just another story with the same concept/basic plot. Not a simple rehash.

The New Blood

10-14-2007, 06:52 PM

I think there should be someone new playing Pinhead, since this is supposed to be a new series.

Spade

10-14-2007, 09:22 PM

Some people sya this will be closer to the novella, one site even states this as fact. I really doubt this. I think it'll be further from the novella... which doesn't even HAVE "Pinhead" as we understand him. Just one Cenobite of many who has the grid / pin design but also "a voice like an excited girl".

This is what I want.

I think this will deal with the torture and mutilation aspects of the cenobites, as poperalised by the saw films, and deal with a mainly new story. More like Rob Zombie's Halloween, I guess, than, say, Psycho or The Omen.

- Scarecrow

This is what I do not want.

DRE

10-14-2007, 10:02 PM

Just Jeans

10-14-2007, 10:38 PM

I think that's a bad suggestion, DRE. That's like suggesting someone new to Star Wars should watch the Prequel Trilogy before the Original Trilogy because the Original Trilogy finishes out the story (or, to put it in perspective using a horror franchise, like suggesting that someone watch Ringu 0 before Ringu, Rasen and Ringu 2.)

DRE

10-14-2007, 11:13 PM

I know it doesn't take a lot to watch Bloodline in fourth place and then watch the remaining four with the idea that they place between certain points in the fourth film, but for "Storyline" purposes why would you want to see the ultimate end of Pinhead before you finish the series?

As for Star Wars, I wouldn't advise anyone to watch the PT at all. (Although I myself enjoy them.)

But I get what you're saying, it's like having someone watch Godfather II or Psycho IV before any of the others, it doesn't necessarily work best.

Utellme

10-14-2007, 11:31 PM

So when is this Hellraiser remake coming out ?

Just Jeans

10-14-2007, 11:33 PM

Putting a little more thought into it, I guess I really don't have room to complain. I usually watch Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom before I watch Raiders of the Lost Ark.

So just disregard my nonsense. Consider the counterpoint withdrawn. :)

DRE

10-14-2007, 11:54 PM

I do that as well, Jeans.

skuppy

10-15-2007, 05:51 AM

French, be sure to watch Bloodline (Part 4) after Hellworld (Part 8) because by all intents and purposes, Bloodline is the true finale (Theatrically and within the storyline) of the series.

agreed. I'm glad that at least the original series had an ending point (unlike Halloween).

French Friday

10-15-2007, 09:32 AM

So I suppose I will keep Bloodline as Part 8. Everyone seems to agree.

It's easy to do that for me : they aren't numbered ! I don't have to force my mind to forget the number !

I'm even happier now I know there's an acceptable ending to the original series.

And that way, the remake will be way easier to swallow.

Scarecrow

10-15-2007, 06:36 PM

Bad idea.

Part 4 very much follows up on aspects of Part 3 whilst later films, in paticular Part 7, follwos up on Bloodline. Watch them in the proper order wouldbe my advice.

But then the true order would be reaidng the entire comic series between Parts 2 and 4. :p And keeping in mind that Part 4 messes with comics continuity after the studio butchered the film and Part 8 is more a spin-off really.

"Welcome to Hell" French!

- Scarecrow

French Friday

10-16-2007, 02:48 PM

Scarecrow

10-16-2007, 04:53 PM

I'd say the "correct" order is the best order myself. Besides, if you want to be thta picky, you should watch part of Bloodline first, part of it after 3 and then the rest at the end. Best to watch it where it comes in the series IMO!

And then join the debate as to whether it counts, how it contradicts the comics and how the original cut differs (and wouldn't contradict the comics so much)! :p

- Scarecrow

Alex DeLarge

10-16-2007, 05:03 PM

Cody

10-16-2007, 06:23 PM

Official announcement (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i0c86abe9c72f2e6e48f0d6925af276c0)

'Inside' men resurrect Pinhead
By Borys Kit

Oct 16, 2007

Following the recent success of the "Halloween" remake, Dimension is moving ahead on reinventing "Hellraiser," setting Julien Maury and Alexandre Bustillo to write and direct the remake of one of horrormeister's Clive Barker's best-known creations.

Released in 1987, "Hellraiser" told the story of an unfaithful wife who attempts to assist her dead lover in his escape from hell. The movie introduced viewers to a race of demons called Cenobites, most notably one nicknamed Pinhead -- who became one of the most enduring horror characters of the decade -- who was summoned using an antique puzzle box.

Based on Barker's critically acclaimed novella "The Hellbound Heart," "Hellraiser" was written and directed by Barker and spawned a lucrative film franchise.

Dimension is aiming to make the movie pre-strike.

Senior vp production Matthew Stein will oversee the project on behalf of Dimension.

French filmmakers Maury and Bustillo come to the project off the strength of their supernatural thriller "Inside," about a pregnant woman who loses her boyfriend in a car crash and subsequently is violently haunted by a mysterious woman. The Weinstein Co./Dimension picked up the distribution rights to their film debut this year.

The filmmakers said they had the blessing of Barker to reappropriate his story and also had a playful message to any horror fans that were ready to trash the idea of a remake,
"No tears, please; it's a waste of good remaking!"

Dimension's "Halloween" remake, directed by Rob Zombie, grossed more than $57 million.

Maury and Bustillo are repped by Paradigm.

Scarecrow

10-16-2007, 06:34 PM

And so it begins!

I relaly have no idea where this will go. Part of me really hopes it will treat the Cenobites with respect and put them back in the shadows as a neautral party but I suspect the opposite may be true. We shall see.

- Scarecrow

French Friday

10-16-2007, 07:22 PM

I'm with Scarecrow. Part 4 is only partly in the future. If that logic remains, shouldn't you watch the 1700s section before HR1? No, go with viewing order. As he said, it follows on HR3's plot and themes and the films afterwards ("Your lineage was of a craftsman, a maker of toys." --Pinhead, though I kinda think he's talking about the comics one) vaguely mention Bloodline.

OK, I'll follow the release order, that was my first thought, but when Dre said I have to watch Bloodline last, I thought it was a "common knowledge" in the Hellraiser fanbase I'm not (yet) familiar with.

Thanks !

Scarecrow

10-16-2007, 09:27 PM

Just Jeans

10-16-2007, 10:17 PM

I need to watch them myself, but I don't have the cash to pick up all 400* of them. One day, if I've ever got a bit of money, I'll probably pick up the whole series and watch it in one go.

I've seen the first two films, when I was younger (I picked them up on VHS at a garage sale, along with Phantasm.) I remember being absolutely terrified by them, particularly the second one. The setting (the mental hospital) and the Cenobite design really, really disturbed me.

*Yes, I realize there's only 8.

Nick Michalak

10-16-2007, 10:28 PM

The first four films share a general continuity where events of each film are followed up on in the next. Once it went DTV, that became rather lost aside from Hellseeker.

-NJM

Scarecrow

10-16-2007, 10:35 PM

Only just in Bloodlines case. I mean the Present day segment is pretty much the only real connection to the previous films and that's very loose. I wouldn't say it's any more than Hellseeker OR Deader, both of which are centred around characters linked to the central mythology. At any rate, the anthology nature suits Hellraiser and certainly worked across the 100-odd comic tales.

- Scarecrow

DRE

10-16-2007, 10:40 PM

OK, I'll follow the release order, that was my first thought, but when Dre said I have to watch Bloodline last, I thought it was a "common knowledge" in the Hellraiser fanbase I'm not (yet) familiar with.

Thanks !

French, I know how you are when it comes to film series and how your mind works to fit everything together (Even if it contradicts continuity), so I was suggesting to YOU and YOU only to watch Bloodline last, I wasn't saying it was the definitive way to watch the series.

Watch it however you like, either way, it's still a disjointed series whichever way you view it.

Utellme

10-16-2007, 10:49 PM

Buddy at work said this movie comes out April 2008,Cant wait

Scarecrow

10-16-2007, 10:50 PM

Somehow I doubt your "buddy at work" has insider knowledge on a film that isn't even finished being written yet...

- Scarecrow

Just Jeans

10-16-2007, 10:56 PM

Buddy at work said this movie comes out April 2008,Cant wait

Does your buddy at work consider IMDB a reliable source of information?

Utellme

10-17-2007, 02:12 AM

Oh i don't know i asked in here earlier which is where i would get a more accurate answer.But no one answered so i asked a horror fan at work.

The New Blood

10-17-2007, 02:14 AM

Oh i don't know i asked in here earlier which is where i would get a more accurate answer.But no one answered so i asked a horror fan at work.

well, what can I say. You definetly picked a good user name.

Cody

10-17-2007, 02:19 AM

The right answer is, nobody knows. It doesn't have a release date yet.

Just Jeans

10-17-2007, 02:26 AM

Oh i don't know i asked in here earlier which is where i would get a more accurate answer.But no one answered so i asked a horror fan at work.

It's because no one knows yet. It might not even be out in 2008, although with them aiming to make it a pre-strike film, it probably will be. Even so, the film is still only at the writing stage. It's far too early to know exactly when it'll be out.

Scarecrow

10-17-2007, 08:17 AM

Me personal bet is that they'll want to repeat the success of Halloween and release the Hellraiser remake at a similar time with the same level of promotion. If it means I can see a Hellraiser on the big screen on its first release then that's going to be damn cool. :D

- Scarecrow

French Friday

10-17-2007, 10:05 AM

So when do you plan on watching these? :)

- Scarecrow

As soon as I get them all.

The first three are on the way. I'll search for the others soon.
ADDED:
French, I know how you are when it comes to film series and how your mind works to fit everything together (Even if it contradicts continuity), so I was suggesting to YOU and YOU only to watch Bloodline last, I wasn't saying it was the definitive way to watch the series.

Watch it however you like, either way, it's still a disjointed series whichever way you view it.

Understood.

I will watch them in the regular order first, that way, I will have a first view on the series, find the continuity errors and the theories... And then, I'll decide if there's a need to change the order.

Thanks to take care about my mind ! :D

Scarecrow

10-18-2007, 09:19 AM

Spade

10-18-2007, 09:55 AM

I've been wondering about the cenobites lately and I really think Pinhead is either going to be THE ruler of Hell OR under Stana's command, either way I fell fairly certain that Leviathan and thus the entire old mythology is out of the picture. I also think, as with the sequels, the Cenobites will be made more into "servants" of Pinhead rather than simply colleagues who he happened to be the spokesperson for.

But as ever, we shall see.

- Scarecrow

Man Scarecrow, I hope you are wrong. That would completely ruin the Hellraiser mythology.

They should've just made another movie the way Barker said he wanted to do :
I'd actually gone to Weinstein four movies ago and said, "Look, let's reinvent this guy. Let's put him in white. Let's start playing against the accepted, the cliche."

That would've been better than butchering the whole premise of Hellraiser. Go a different route, but stay in the same mytho.

Hopefully they have more sense than to make Pinhead the ruler of hell and to make other cenobites his servants.

Scarecrow

10-18-2007, 09:58 AM

It's a "reimagining" though so it will be a whole new mythology I expect. I just hope it's something imaginative, dark and which treats the Cenobites with respect. It's a shame to say good bye to the old but it'll live on in fanfilms, art and stories.

- Scarecrow

Spade

10-18-2007, 11:00 AM

I guess it is a end to a mythology that I really enjoyed.

Hopefully the new one will be entertaining and not turn Hellraiser into a slasher film.

Yep I can always watch some fan films and read some good Hellraiser comics. Sometimes I still listen to my Hellbound Heart book on tape.

francesco

10-18-2007, 11:02 AM

I usually hate "french style"...and movies!

French Friday

10-18-2007, 04:09 PM

I usually hate "french style"...and movies!

If I didn't agree with you on french movies in general, I could take that very bad. ;)

But Aja is french, Ganz is french, so there's at least a few good french directors out there when it comes to horror.

francesco

10-18-2007, 05:47 PM

ohhhhhhh no wait, I didn't mean that. I meant that french drama and commedy are not for me. And sure...I don't wanna think about the awful italian commedy too! Italy is producing shit!!! (except for the third mother of course)!!!

Scarecrow

10-18-2007, 06:59 PM

To be honest I HOPE this has a European feel to it. The best Hellraiser films (1, 2 and 7) all have that non-US feel to them that adds to their gothic atmosphere and makes them superior to the other enteries.

- Scarecrow

Scarecrow

10-25-2007, 05:38 PM

Doug Bradley discusses the remake in a new interview with the Playboy website, as reported on The Hellbound Web myspace page: Pinhead Speaks! (http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=96456568&blogID=321933962)

Also, French, how goes getting those DVDs? :p

- Scarecrow

Patrick

10-28-2007, 07:46 PM

I really, really hope Doug Bradley IS in this new one. He is so great as Pinhead. His voice is just so synonymous with that character. Same as Robert Englund with Freddy.

"I have no idea whether anybody intends I will be involved in it, but I will do it again like a shot," he continues, "If it involved taking different beats with Pinhead, that would also be fine by me. I think there are lots of areas that we never looked and never went to. History is not on my side with remakes that don't intend to use original cast. You know, if it's going to happen, it's going to happen — and I wish it absolutely nothing but good, if I'm involved or not."

I was glad to hear him say this.....hopefully the producers WILL want him.

FinalBeyond

10-28-2007, 08:24 PM

Quite honestly, I'd rather see it without Pinhead altogether than with Pinhead as played by someone else. That way, we get the Cenobites there, but we also get to imagine that Bradley-Pinhead is off tormenting some other poor soul. :p

Dave Dunwoody

10-28-2007, 09:17 PM

Definitely agree, Final.

BTW my avatar doesn't apply to this movie ;)

Esten

10-28-2007, 09:24 PM

"I wish it absolutely nothing but good, if I'm involved or not."

Now that's a classy guy dere.

Just Jeans

10-29-2007, 05:03 AM

But maybe these iconic figures we've created now are almost like a cannon of work. You know, like theater revisiting Shakespeare—another actor gets to give his Hamlet so maybe we will have another actor giving his interpretation of Freddy Krueger every four or five years or something.

Do you know, I think Doug Bradley has summed up my feelings on remakes in a way I never could.

In much the same way that theatre will forever revisit the works of Shakespeare, Hollywood will continue to remake the classics as long as movies are still being produced. It'll go through phases of popularity, but it's a trend that's never going away.

Scarecrow

10-29-2007, 08:13 AM

Indeed, this is the start of something new in cinema. I mean, there's been remakes of really old black and white films or whatever but it's never been quite done in this way. Film evolves and the eighties started giving us horror icons in a way that we hadn't seen before. These franchises developed fandoms as we are part of right now, we're bound to react to remake.

Things may be different in a hundred years time when we have the third or fourth remake of Hellraiser or NOES starting a 3rd or 4th version of the franchise and story.

- Scarecrow

French Friday

10-29-2007, 06:09 PM

Also, French, how goes getting those DVDs? :p

Slowly. Not much free time. Always stuck at 1-3 on my shelf. Not searching for the others yet.

And I'm currently watching TV series on DVD (Boomtown, Happy Days Season 1, The Shield Season 4, Moonlighting Complete), takes my whole time, so I wait til I finish them to watch Hellraiser.

I'm over-booked. :D

As for our icons becoming Shakespeare, it's something I foretold, I was just hoping it would begin only after my death, not nowadays. Jason, Freddy, Michael Myers, the Cenobites, Chucky, now they reached the statu of Dracula and Frankenstein's Monster. Which means no more continuity, apart maybe some trilogies here or there. But essentially one-shots. No more real mythology behind the characters. That's a little sad.

How many different origin stories for Jason will we have in the future ? Dracula got thousands of them !!

But well, could be fun. A new way to watch our favorite icons.

I'll be there.

Scarecrow

10-29-2007, 06:39 PM

"Don't hate the media, become the media".

The original mythology will live on with fans and within fandom. certainly, Hellraiser has better chances than any other with such a wide scope and around a hundred comic stories. There's already two fanfilms that fit within the canon as well as some excellent corssovers. THW will keep Hllraiser alive.

And the remake wil bring fresh blood to Leviathan.

- Scarecrow

Cody

11-07-2007, 03:44 PM

Some talk (http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/news/10384) from Clive Barker

Things have finally started to move forward with Alexandre Bustillo and Julien Maury at the helm. Barker talks a bit about how involved he is with the project, “I will watch over two Frenchmen who will remake it and only because I think they are two very splendid young men who made a fucking great movie,” he continues, “I like them both. I like the movie INSIDE. It’s very good, very bloody and they are very nice smart guys who have a commitment to the original movie.”

What we found interesting is how Barker doesn’t want his take on the story to be remade, he wants to see something fresh, “I think it’s all the more reason that they remake it; that they don’t take my version of the story. I had some specific suggestions, which I don’t want to spoil for you or anyone else, about how things might be taken up a notch or two. And you know S&M just isn’t what it used to be! So if we’re to do the whips and chains and the hooks we have to do them at a whole new level because I thinks its tired material.”

A whole new level, eh? With Alexandre and Julien at the helm I don’t think that’s going to be much of a problem…

We then joked a bit about how Pinhead just isn’t scary anymore… Clive agreed wholeheartedly, “I agree. Well, it’s not just Pinhead, the whole fucking movie has to be scary again. My commitment to being involved was really based on these guys who had a bloody good idea that had nothing to do with what I had in my head. So more power to them.”

Doug Bradley has been openly asking to return as Pinhead in the remake, but unfortunately it’s too early to say, “I wish I knew. I don’t think they even know at this stage.”

Of course one thing that all horror gamers have been wondering is, will Pinhead ever make it into a video game? Barker chats a bit about how he sold his soul to the Devil, who now owns the rights, “I have no interest in turning Hellraiser into game. Firstly, I don’t have the rights so if somebody’s going to do it they can do it. I earned 21,000 dollars from writing and directing the first movie and it was my deal with the devil, god bless ‘em. I’m fine with that. I have no interest in that. I feel like we’re constantly looking over our shoulder, it’s all retro at the moment."

Scarecrow

11-07-2007, 06:27 PM

I do hope the S&M theme is played up to extremes. What we really need to see is the most disgusting and viseral tortures but done in a gorgeous, elaborate, almost beautiful way with the characters equally screaming in agony and gasping in pleasure.

or that might just be me. :p

- Scarecrow

Nick Michalak

11-07-2007, 07:16 PM

I think that's what Hellraiser was meant to portray, but just couldn't. First, with the fact of what you could get away with in films 20 years ago, and then, the franchise going all mainstream tamed a great deal of it all. Secondly, I don't think anyone really was able to realize such an elaborate vision. Though, today, with what get away with in horror films in this age of "shock" horror, I think there's a definite freedom to expand that imagination. If Clive is this enthusiastic, I've gotta say we're gonna see some very exceptional and surprising things in this remake. I am excited.

-NJM

Spade

11-07-2007, 09:15 PM

This is one remake I am actually happy about. Hellraiser's mythology is so deep you can be completely different from the original and still be holding true to the mytho.

Scarecrow

11-08-2007, 03:24 PM

This is one remake I am actually happy about. Hellraiser's mythology is so deep you can be completely different from the original and still be holding true to the mytho.

Think you contradicted yourself a bit there. :p

But I get what you mean. That said, I think this will be a new mythology that will keep true to the original THEMES of the film/book but do so in a whole new way.

- Scarecrow

Spade

11-08-2007, 05:22 PM

Think you contradicted yourself a bit there. :p

But I get what you mean. That said, I think this will be a new mythology that will keep true to the original THEMES of the film/book but do so in a whole new way.

- Scarecrow

Yeah I didn't post that in the right way.

I meant to post it to sound exactly like what you posted in your second paragraph. That is the way I feel about this remake.

Cody

12-05-2007, 08:36 AM

Release date (http://www.shocktillyoudrop.com/news/topnews.php?id=3913) and a "Presents" title:

Drive a pin through September 5, 2008 in your calendar - that's the date MGM and The Weinstein Co. have marked to release Clive Barker Presents: Hellraiser

Scarecrow

12-05-2007, 08:39 AM

Interesting date, let's hope it's 100%. They should really make it September 11th though... say day as HR1 and HR3! :p

- Scarecrow

DRE

12-05-2007, 08:47 AM

Jude Law as the new Pinhead, Bob and Harvey will see to it!

Scarecrow

12-05-2007, 09:00 AM

Awww, hell no!

Still, better suggestion than "Vin Diesil or Vinnie Jones"

- Scarecrow

DRE

12-05-2007, 09:02 AM

Regardless of everything else, he must remain British!

Scarecrow

12-05-2007, 09:08 AM

I think even that's too wide, he needs to remain ENGLISH. I just can't imagine a Welsh or Irish Pinhead. :p

- Scarecrow

DRE

12-05-2007, 09:23 AM

You mean, no Liam Neeson Pinhead? :D

Alex DeLarge

12-05-2007, 02:14 PM

I just can't imagine a Welsh Pinhead.:p

Gareth David-Lloyd for Pinhead! :p

Scarecrow

12-05-2007, 02:38 PM

You jest but actually... he has a paticular look that could actually really work for the plain, ambiguous beauty that Pinehad has. Let's just lose the accent!

- Scarecrow

Alex DeLarge

12-05-2007, 03:55 PM

Actually, I did kind of think about it and... it does kind of work!

Just Jeans

12-05-2007, 04:41 PM

Well shit, if we're going to start throwing around daft ideas for Pinhead actors, give me Burn Gorman. Sure, he'd have to wear lifts to jack up his height, but that's only a small bother.

Scarecrow

12-05-2007, 04:52 PM

Who said anything about daft? Unlikely but, accent aside, he's far from daft. certainly has a simialar "ambiguous" look to the young Doug Bradley who, we should remember, was unknown at the time. I mean, Burn Gorman's face looks nothing like the right structure if they were to go for something akin to the original. But out of ALL the suggestions I've heard, in terms of looks, Alex's is the msot sensible and intriguing.

http://www.visimag.com/culttimes/images/c136_cont_tw.jpg http://www.dougbradley.co.uk/content/images/store/pictures/11_fresh_faced.jpg

- Scarecrow

Just Jeans

12-05-2007, 05:20 PM

He just doesn't strike me as Pinhead. I don't find him the least bit sinister.

Besides, I don't think they should try for something "akin to the original". If they're not going to use Doug, they need to go in their own direction and do their own thing with the character. Don't just find someone who looks slightly like Doug when you look at him in good light and at the right angle. Do something original with it.

I haven't seriously thought about who I might like to see play Pinhead, but off the top of my head... how about Richard Armitage? He's got really intense eyes, very dark. I think he might be a good Pinhead.

Dave Dunwoody

12-05-2007, 05:58 PM

I kinda agree there. Either use Bradley or use someone completely different.

Scarecrow

12-05-2007, 06:22 PM

I agree too. I wasn't exactly suggesting this in any seriousness but just as someone who COULD make a serious choice if they wanted to go with the same style. I'm hoping we Doug myself but I guess it depends on where the film is going.

- Scarecrow

DRE

12-05-2007, 09:01 PM

Yeah, my name drops were from the thinking of the Brothers Weinstein, not anything serious.

Ron

12-06-2007, 12:07 AM

I'd like a completley fresh new look and take on the Pinhead character which would mean casting a new actor.

Jigsaw

12-06-2007, 12:09 AM

Even with this movie being a remake, Doug Bradley is still Pinhead and always will be. I hope they get him back, because he's to Pinhead what Robert Englund is to Freddy.

MaDMaNMaRz

12-06-2007, 01:19 AM

I really can't seen anyone else playing Pinhead. Doug Bradley IS Pinhead.

nickmeece

12-06-2007, 01:33 AM

Yeah, that's like trying to recast the Leprechaun...not gonna happen...or recasting the Terminator, oh wait...

Ron

12-06-2007, 03:05 AM

Even with this movie being a remake, Doug Bradley is still Pinhead and always will be. I hope they get him back, because he's to Pinhead what Robert Englund is to Freddy.

you see that's where we differ in our opinions. I also think that if they were ever going to remake NOES that they should cast a new, younger actor. Englund isn't getting any younger.

Scarecrow

12-06-2007, 08:39 AM

Still, I doubt youth will matter much... I can't imagine a reimagining of any series lasting as long as the originals. Generally films just don't get amde that way anymore sadly. It'll be remakes every decade soon enough!

- Scarecrow

El Rooto

12-18-2007, 02:33 AM

I don't want the same old Pinhead. Let's see something new. Something different.

Jigsaw

12-18-2007, 02:53 AM

I really can't seen anyone else playing Pinhead. Doug Bradley IS Pinhead.

Quoted for truth. If Bradley doesn't return as Pinhead, they may as well call this movie off.

El Rooto

12-18-2007, 02:55 AM

I really, really disagree.

If this were a sequel(even another DTV one), I'd probably feel differently.

Jigsaw

12-18-2007, 02:59 AM

Even with this being a remake, Pinhead is too sacred a character to be recasted. Bradley has made him his own and even with this being a remake, it just wouldn't feel right to have the character recasted.

El Rooto

12-18-2007, 03:13 AM

I still feel Pinhead is open to interpretation. I think Bradley was fantastic in the role and all, but Pinhead didn't even play a big role in the original Hellraiser anyway.

Jigsaw

12-18-2007, 03:18 AM

Bradley definitely expanded greatly on the role in the sequels.

DRE

12-18-2007, 03:19 AM

There's a time for everything to change, and it's now Pinhead's time. It will soon be Freddy's time. All we can do is embrace that change or enjoy the eight or so films we have already. In this day and age, no character or film is too sacred.

El Rooto

12-18-2007, 03:21 AM

That's exactly the way I feel.

Jigsaw

12-18-2007, 03:21 AM

That's why sometimes you should just quit while you're ahead. No need to fix something that's not broken.

The Dream Master

12-18-2007, 03:26 AM

That's why sometimes you should just quit while you're ahead. No need to fix something that's not broken.

Unfortunately, studio heads go by a different creed:

"No need to let a profitable property go to waste when it could be remade." :misery:

DRE

12-18-2007, 03:28 AM

We can't be selfish, there's a whole new generation of us out there now, shouldn't they get their shot at Hellraiser or Friday the 13th without having to eat the leftovers from the 80's? Those were our films, and they will always be ours, but our time is slowly winding down. Rob Zombie's Halloween, that's not my Halloween, that belongs to my current counterpart.

Esten

12-18-2007, 04:25 AM

Why can't they still be shared with our generation, and the new generation? It's certainly possible to find a balance without giving up.

Again, Rocky Balboa is a great example that it certainly can be done.

"No need to let a profitable property go to waste when it could be remade."

I'd akin remakes of still successful series to Prison rape: Yell and scream all you can, but it's gonna happen.

But I'll be god damned if I'm not gonna kick and scream.

Jigsaw

12-18-2007, 04:34 AM

Again, Rocky Balboa is a great example that it certainly can be done.

Excellent point right there. Also the upcoming Rambo.

DRE

12-18-2007, 04:35 AM

For the very reason most everyone of our generation hate the remakes, and those in the generation before us hated our films, style has changed with the times.

There are some Next Gen-ers who know the real deal, and enjoyed our films, just as there were some from our time who enjoyed the films of the 40's & 50's more. Can't get anymore basic than that.

Kane Lives

12-18-2007, 06:36 AM

Why can't they still be shared with our generation, and the new generation? It's certainly possible to find a balance without giving up.

Agreed.

They don't have to reboot, recast actors, and kill series just to show the films to a new audience.

DRE

12-18-2007, 07:17 AM

Agreed.

They don't have to reboot, recast actors, and kill series just to show the films to a new audience.

They don't have to do that, but it's what they do. Fresh start is the new sell line in Hollywood these days.

Kane Lives

12-18-2007, 07:33 AM

They don't have to do that, but it's what they do.

Which is exactly why I complain. I don't agree with their logic, and it makes it even harder for me when I know there are still other options out there.

DRE

12-18-2007, 07:45 AM

Believe me, I don't agree with many of their directions taken, like the foolish non reason for recasting Jason in Freddy vs. Jason, but money talks.

Look at it this way, they recasted the role and the film made money, so they believe it was the right choice, when in actuallity had it been Kane it would have made the same amount. The same will be said for all the other remakes that are successful, it was "the change" that made the dollars roll in.

Scarecrow

12-18-2007, 09:42 AM

It is true though, that we may bitch but a whole new generation are discovering these films.

Hell, I got into horror in the late ninties, the post-modern slasher trend and I love a lot of those films and don't see much difference between them and the eighties stuff besides reflecting their era and changes in cinema in general. Everyones gonna enjoy what they grew up with and th eprevious generation will always bitch.

Still, the remake generation is just that, about remakes. It does introduce classics but doesn't inspire the same mass fandom and fan debate. Halloween remake hasn't sparked fan imagiantions like H20 did. I dislike H20 but you can find a hudnred fanfics tying it to the rest. I doubt you'll find many Zombieween fanfics.

It remains to be seen what lasting impact the remakes will have.

- Scarecrow

Grizzlyman

01-12-2008, 06:02 AM

I would just like to say that I feel extremely sorry for Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer (MGM) for having to sign a five year distribution contract with Dimension Films for these remakes. It seems Leo the Lion nowadays will take any below the quality line job just to try to regain his seat as the king of the jungle in the motion picture business again, but he does not have that same sparkling inititive roar and ingenuity we saw in classic films like Gone with the Wind and The Wizard of Oz.... of course that was before Ted Turner and Giancarlo Parretti came along.

francesco

01-12-2008, 03:44 PM

wow weinsten signed a deal with WGA. I'm happy this movie will move forward!

francesco

01-25-2008, 09:02 AM

according to B-D hellraiser remake is bumped back to a undetermined 2009 release date

I have some bad new for you this evening, so sit down and get a shot ready. Dimension Films announced today that the remake of Hellraiser, which is being written and directed by Alexandre Bustillo and Julien Maury (Inside), has been bumped to a undetermined 2009 release date. The film was slated for release this September. In addition, MGM has pushed the release of Eli Roth's Trailer Trash out of its August date and also into an undetermined 2009 release. We're assuming it's because of the strike, and we'll keep you posted when a new date arrives for both films. Click the titles above for more details.

Spade

01-25-2008, 10:03 AM

If that is true, then I'm pretty disappointed.

The New Blood

01-25-2008, 02:58 PM

Written and directed by Alexandre Bustillo and Julien Maury?

So then whats Clive Barker's involvement?

francesco

01-25-2008, 03:00 PM

i think that barker is no more involved in it! he just gave the ok to the project!

Just Jeans

01-25-2008, 08:36 PM

So then whats Clive Barker's involvement?

He's an Executive Producer, I think.

Jack Bauer

01-25-2008, 08:38 PM

Does Executive Producer have power within a production, or I am thinking of the Producer side of things?

Esten

01-25-2008, 11:51 PM

It usually means he can make suggestions, but they don't have to adhere to them. I presume this is going to be like a "Wes Craven Presents..." sort of deal.

Oh dear god. :(

francesco

01-26-2008, 08:04 AM

according to B-D this time it's not weinsten fault! The script was shit!

It's time to give the Weinstein brothers some props... I've always felt that there was a lack of heart and a lack of caring about the development of films over at Dimension. Obviously making money is their number one priority, but it's nice to hear that they're not just trying to push out product without cleaning it thoroughly. I received a call this morning in response to our news that Dimension had delayed the release of their Hellraiser remake until 2009. Apparently they weren't 100% happy with Alexandre Bustillo and Julien Maury's screenplay and have decided to take the film to other writers - so we're now back at square one. The French duo are still attached to helm the pic, which is great news for anyone who has seen Inside, one of my all-time favorite horror films. But like I said, it's nice to see the Weinsteins concerned about the quality of our beloved franchise. Mucho props! Until 2009...

Scarecrow

01-26-2008, 10:55 AM

according to B-D this time it's not weinsten fault! The script was shit!

Actually no one says anything like that. Its typical non-journalism. All it says is DIMENSION didn't like the script.

yeah, the same people who butched Bloodline and wnated more people. The same people who hired Barker but then let the directors do their own thing. The same people who now don't like THIS script that BARKER had given his support too.

We know NOTHING about it. But we know Dimension are passing over Barker and Barker supported scripts... and in the past mainly want a Pinhead gore fest. This is NOT a good sign...

- Scarecrow

Just Jeans

01-26-2008, 11:54 AM

Scarecrow

01-26-2008, 04:24 PM

It was pretty obvious from the moment that it was announced to have been delayed that it had something to do with the script. Whether it's shit or just needs a bit of work, they're obviously not happy enough to make the movie on a locked screenplay. There's no shame in that.

You managed to miss out the other option. Maybe it was great and needed no work but they didn't like it anyway.

I don't get how people are suddenly ready to give the Weinsteins the beenfit of any doubt. these guys tore aprt so many films, they refused to let Barker be involved in hellraiser: inferno and tried to keep away from Hellseeker despite the directors efforts to get him involved.

They wanted more gore and cool stuff in HW6, more Pinhead and gore in HR4, they also tore Cursed apart IIRC. They hired Barker and then used these guys instead who at least had Barker's blessing. They have such a long history of this stuff.

And yet everyone is willing to give them the benefit of the doubt...

"I don't understand it. I just don't understand it" - Larry, HR1

- Scarecrow

Ron

01-26-2008, 04:45 PM

I'm with you Scarecrow. I think their problem with the script was that it wasn't a Pinhead gorefest:confused:

Just Jeans

01-26-2008, 06:22 PM

You managed to miss out the other option. Maybe it was great and needed no work but they didn't like it anyway.

Even if that's the case, it doesn't change the fact that they're not happy with it and want to change it, and to do so is their prerogative. That's my only point.

And yet everyone is willing to give them the benefit of the doubt...

I have no opinion whatever of the Weinsteins, and I'm not giving them the benefit of anything. I don't watch enough of the films they've butchered to have a powerful opinion (and in this case, I've only seen the first two Hellraiser films, so I'm not sure what happened to the following films).

Voo-doo

01-27-2008, 05:12 PM

I won't trust BD for anything. so until summer time, lets all keep our moths quiet about this release date.

Ron

01-27-2008, 05:36 PM

I honestly couldn't care less if Pinhead was left out of the whole equation to be brutally honest.

Spade

01-28-2008, 02:16 AM

Pinhead is entertaining, but he is not necessary.

MaDMaNMaRz

01-28-2008, 04:53 AM

Pinehead is entertaining, but he is not necessary.

Who's Pinehead? :lol:

:p

Spade

01-28-2008, 06:45 AM

Damn typos :p.

Scarecrow

01-28-2008, 11:36 AM

We'll see Pinhead in some form, that's pretty much a definite. The marketing machine wouldn't have it any other way.

- Scarecrow

Ron

01-28-2008, 11:43 PM

i feel like I'm losing interest and faith in this films quality. Didn't Barker approve of the script, but Dimension didn't?? That sounds stupid to me.

Killa Pimp

01-29-2008, 01:00 AM

i feel like I'm losing interest and faith in this films quality. Didn't Barker approve of the script, but Dimension didn't?? That sounds stupid to me.

Yeah, but Barkers style and what needs to be on screen may be at odds.

I've read a lot of his stuff and its so damn metaphysical you wonder if it made it to screen, what would it actually like like. So if the Screenwriters were trying to appeal to his tastes , they may have written something that 90% of moviegoers just wouldn't get on screen and Dimension knows this.

Or Dimension is just being @$$es about the whole thing! Who knows.:cool:

this just sux though, I was looking forward to this.

On a different note... I think The Damnation Game would make an awesome movie.

Scarecrow

01-29-2008, 10:07 AM

He wrote the original hellraiser and that turned out fine. As did his original version of Nightbreed before the studio butchered it. Studio's are often too cowardly to do Barker's work justice.

- Scarecrow

Nick Michalak

01-29-2008, 07:16 PM

Studios just think audiences are a bunch of morons who won't understand a damn thing unless it's spelled out to them in GIGANTIC letters. In reality, it's the studios that tend to be the morons who wouldn't get an intelligent idea if you tattoo'd it into their brain!

-NJM

101ant101

01-29-2008, 08:05 PM

thank god. the original was a bore. plus, bring on the remakes!!!!!!!!

DRE

01-29-2008, 08:23 PM

thank god. the original was a bore. plus, bring on the remakes!!!!!!!!

Blasphemy! :D

The original was a beautiful piece of dark neo art in cinematic form. Everything about that film (and its direct sequel) was perfect.

I look forward to the remake, but I won't ever forget the beauty from whence it spawned.

The Dream Master

01-29-2008, 08:31 PM

Who's Pinehead? :lol:

OMG Pinehead vs. Ferdy, place ur betz!

Ron

01-29-2008, 10:42 PM

Wow, ANOES, Friday, and Hellraiser are all getting the remake treatment. No stone is being left unturned.

MaDMaNMaRz

01-30-2008, 01:50 AM

The original was a beautiful piece of dark neo art in cinematic form. Everything about that film (and its direct sequel) was perfect.

I couldn't have said it better myself. I agree with that.

Cody

02-06-2008, 11:12 PM

New date (http://www.shocktillyoudrop.com/news/topnews.php?id=4579) - January 9, 2009.

Joshg

02-07-2008, 02:49 AM

The first two were amazing. Especially the drear of Part 1. That movie went by very fast, such an entertaining film to watch.

Considering this series actually HAS run completely dry, I'm not that sad about a remake. It'll be interesting to see how it turns out. I think this is why a remake should be: If something has gone stale, then something can come out of it. Ofcourse, the original three weren't bad, so...it'll be hard to outdo.

The fact that it'll be less than 22 years old is kind of irritating though.

Scarecrow

02-07-2008, 08:22 AM

The first two were amazing. Especially the drear of Part 1. That movie went by very fast, such an entertaining film to watch.

Considering this series actually HAS run completely dry,.

How? Freddy, Jason, Michael, constant repeats.

Hellraiser has pretty cmuch chnaged itseld with every entry. There's a hundred comic stories that could be adapted. It's a series that can take place in ANY time period with an infintie possibility of characters. The Labyrinth and Leviathan haven't been since since Part 2. There's a wealth of potential, more than any other franchise, hardly what I'd call "run dry".

- Scarecrow

DedKid

02-07-2008, 08:26 AM

And yet still no Thief of Always or Nightbreed 2.... :sigh:

DouglasJ

02-07-2008, 09:11 AM

Considering this series actually HAS run completely dry...

IMO, Deader proved there was life yet in the series. Brilliant movie. I despised Hellworld, but with Deader they've shown they could still make decent sequels to the original series. Hellworld was an experiment, imo, it failed, but more "proper sequels", sure.

Ron

02-07-2008, 11:28 PM

Hellworld was shit.

Scarecrow

02-08-2008, 08:03 AM

As a friend point out, when the best moment in a film is a fanwank shout-out ("...since Leviathan first created the realm") you know you're in trouble...

- Scarecrow

Alex DeLarge

02-09-2008, 08:01 AM

As a friend point out, when the best moment in a film is a fanwank shout-out ("...since Leviathan first created the realm") you know you're in trouble...

- Scarecrow

That was me BTW.:p:D

MaDMaNMaRz

02-09-2008, 08:35 PM