Rank and Review Friday the 13th-2009 (Spoilers) [Archive]

Lammert

02-12-2009, 09:41 PM

I just got back from Friday the 13th, 2009! :)

I'm ratting it as the 5th best. In my mind nothing can still touch 1 till 4. But my rating can change....

For a modern horror movie it was something we've been waiting for, much better then any remake/reboot i've seen.

For me, this is the Friday movie that could have happened after Part 4, ignoring everything that came after that. Because it's much better then any of the later Friday films. Jason is different but this isn't the 80's anymore, and I like what they did with the charachter in this movie. He's one fast moving fucker. The story is good, and I enjoyed most of the scenes.

+ Jason is back, upgraded the right way!
+ Fast human Jason
+ lots of nods/tributes to the old series.
+ The story.
+ The tunnels are believable, and work quite well in the film.
+ I like the comedy in this one.
+ Some of the locations look like they came from the first couple of films(the barn looked like the one from Part 3).

- the music isn't memorable, but I like the Ki-Ki-Ki-Ma-Ma-Ma(wich isn't overused)
- The less we see Jason, the better. But I guess Jason's look isn't a suprise to anyone anymore.
- the people that live around Crystal Lake reminded me of the TCM remake.
- the charachters besides Jason and the main charachter aren't memorable(like Parts 2 and 4), they are kind of flat.
- the final 'scare' was too much, this is the thing that upsets me the most about the movie. when they trow Jason's body in the lake, it should have ended with the mask sinking to the bottom, or Jason's hand grabbing the medalion, and not him jumping from the lake 5 seconds later....

People talked about a flashback scene where he sharpens his machete? That scene wasn't in the version I saw.

Overal, I liked it as a hardcore Friday fan. And I think they should do a sequel next year!

jah jah jason

02-12-2009, 10:34 PM

the only things that buged me were
1. The Mrs. Voorhees part was way to short for me. I would have liked to see the fight between the two.
2. The change from day to night just happened. It bugged me I would have like a dusk sequence.
3. When trent was looking for the gun and he says "where are you gun" I found that fucking retarded. I also didn't like Trents death scene at all.

I liked everything else.
I liked seeing crazy ralph's bike and mark's wheelchair in Jason's lair

I loved the music and score. I am over the moon with this movie. Going again tonight.

SlasherFreak

02-13-2009, 07:33 AM

5th best for me.

I kinda like how they handled the Mrs. Vorhees backstory. Short and sweet. I definitely like the opening after we get to "present day". Quite a bit of time went by before the movie's title came upon the screen...does anyone know how long exactly?

The kills weren't all that inventive, but sufficient. My favorite has to be the guy caught in the bear trap in the begining...head split right in half with a machete...that was dope. I definitely like Jason's speed in this movie. Jason is ruthless in this. The unmasking kinda looked like the Jason from part 2..but it was so quick. Im glad they didnt go into a whole humanizing fiasco with Jason building a shrine or no corny shit like that. Thanks god none of the sharpening shit. I think they did Jason very well. Jason looked pretty fuckin pissed when he found Clay's backpack outside his shack Some nice comedic relief...some really good one liners, haha. "I was about to push the start button on the whoop ass machine!" LOL. One pair of nice real titties (on Bree), and fuck them other fake tits. There were alot of nods to the old films. I really thought Jason was gonna be killed at the end, it seems like there will definitely be a sequel. I must say, there were parts in the movie where you KNOW the film makers weren't intending for a laugh, but people were sure laughing. LOL @ Trent's scream a little before his demise...and what a fucking retarded thing to say: "Where are you gun?" Wtf?

Good fuckin movie...I'll be seeing it again tomorrow
ADDED:

- the final 'scare' was too much, this is the thing that upsets me the most about the movie. when they trow Jason's body in the lake, it should have ended with the mask sinking to the bottom, or Jason's hand grabbing the medalion, and not him jumping from the lake 5 seconds later....

People talked about a flashback scene where he sharpens his machete? That scene wasn't in the version I saw.

I still dont know how to feel about that scene yet. I have to let it marinate for awhile. I'm just glad Jason's head didnt go through that grinder, cause of course I want a sequel

The movie worked perfect without showing him sharpening a machete...he was a very crafty, resourceful woodsman in this film. If his machete got dull, he would just impale you on some antlers or stick a screwdriver through the bottom of your chin

3. When trent was looking for the gun and he says "where are you gun" I found that fucking retarded. I also didn't like Trents death scene at all.

I liked seeing crazy ralph's bike and mark's wheelchair in Jason's lair

I actually really liked Trents death. Pretty funny the old man just shook his head and drove off, hahah.

When I saw the bike and wheelchair I thought of them too haha. Definitely alot of homages

TheShowstoppa

02-13-2009, 07:41 AM

I thought the movie was fantastic. People can talk all you want about how Michael Bay shit on your horror franchise, (even though he's only listed as Producer) but it was really good. I didn't expect this to be as serious at all times like Texas Chainsaw Massacre. I think they did an excellent job with the cast, and it was nice to see Sam Winchester... er... Jared Padaleki's character do some fun things.

I will say I was NOT expecting the lead girl to die. I thought she was amazingly hot (duh) but it was sad that she died the way she did. Definitely a shocker for me.

I agree, people weren't supposed to be laughing by certain points in the film, but the crowd was getting into it and it was definitely good to hear laughter NOT associated with dork-ish humor.

I also agree that the final scene was NOT necessary. I was pissed because I expected him to grab the mask off of the bottom of the lake (which, if you ask me, would have been a much-much better ending). Now - due to things beyond our control, we have NO IDEA if Whitney or (is it Cayle?) lived! So pissed....

That is probably my ONLY gripe against the movie thus far. I was in too much of a geek-gasm to really find many more gripes. Definitely good in the gorey sense. Too much overage on the T&A, but this is Friday the 13th, so I guess that's just the formula. I'm going to see this again early next week with my sister, but probably later this weekend by myself at a theater that accepts those movie money things. An AMC theater was the best one showing this tonight, so I opted to pay.

I still don't know yet where I'm going to rate this as far as how good... But, it was definitely a great movie and an even better return to the roots.

Side note: Made the poll non-public. If you wish to state your rank, put it in your post.
ADDED:
Oh yeah... will someone help me by trying to list all of the references to the first 4 films? That'd help out a lot! :)

SlasherFreak

02-13-2009, 07:43 AM

I will say I was NOT expecting the lead girl to die. I thought she was amazingly hot (duh) but it was sad that she died the way she did. Definitely a shocker for me.

Definitely. Im used to horror films now so I usually know when something is about to go down, but I would have never expected that at all

Jason3000

02-13-2009, 08:03 AM

Just got back from a midnight showing, and honestly...let me start off by saying that i under estimated how large the crowd was gonna be. I was kind of shaky about going to see this the night before because i was afraid the theatere wouldn't be packed (i like watching horror movies with a big crowd, it makes it more fun). But the crowd was there---BEFORE I EVEN ARRIVED! I was so pissed, had i known there was gonna be that much people i would've gone earlier and got better seats. But the seats i ended up in weren't bad actually. So a sign of relief...i think this will do good at the box office.

As for the actual movie. Let me do some pros and cons:

Pros:
-Jason is GREAT-the best Jason we've had in a long long time. He looked great, moved great, and i honestly didn't mind any of the "Human traits" that some people have been complaining about
-The setting! Crystal Lake never looked any better. It reminded me a lot of the lakes from 1-3, just more modernized of course
-The acting was great in this movie. Probably some of the best actors in the entire series.
-Plenty of creative kills
-The homages to the first 4 movies were obvious

Cons:
-The biggest problem for me with this movie was the musical score. No ki-ki-ki-ma ma ma or the popular friday score is used, which kind of pissed me off. It's one thing to change it, but the score wasn't even consistant! There was too much silence in the movie when a score could've been used to heighten the intensity of the scenes. This overall was my biggest flaw with the movie. They got everything right, but the producers really bumped it down a notch with this mistake.
- The Pamela Vorhees scene did not work as well as i thought it would. I mean it was okay...but the Pamela Vorhees from FvJ is a much better portrayal and the closest it ever got to Betsy Palmer
-The pacing of the movie is just a little off. There were times when it felt too slow, and then times when it felt too rushed. It was really weird bc usually it's one of the other. But this movie had both slow and fast pacing that seemed out of place.
-It wasn't scary enough...but i guess that's not the point. I just felt like when some of the characters were getting killed off, the other actors could've at least screamed/panicked more. But they were more like 'Okay whatever...moving on'. Screaming + Panicking tenses up a scene, but i don't understand why the producers avoided that all together.

Overall, i give this movie a B+ on the Friday the 13th Scale. It's definitely one of the better ones, and it felt like a classic Friday. The last classic Friday we had was Part 7...with Jason killing at the lake. So it was refreshing to have that again for sure. This is better than Part 7 though. I don't know if i'd say it's better than 2, 4, and 6 which are my favorites. So i guess i'd rank this as the 4th best sequel behind 2,4,6.
ADDED:
Oh and let me add...my favorite kill of the series had to be

The Arrow! No one say that coming . That was freakin awesome. When that happened the entire theater was yelling, laughing, and cussing. It was so cool and then the Boat hitting whats her face in the head made me crack up (i don't know if that was intended though).

Also... I was expecting that one chick in the beginning who was in the sleeping bag to get banged up against a tree. But instead she gets burned. I felt like banging her against the tree would've been a great homage...but i guess the producers didn't want to acknowledge the later sequels.

jasonlives13

02-13-2009, 09:09 AM

This sounds awesome I can't wait to see it

Paradox Lost

02-13-2009, 10:50 AM

Well, I have to concede that I walked away with a thorough sense of disappointment after having watched this, and rather than burden you with paragraphs of explanation, ima go for the ol tried and tested pro/con method while I still have my thoughts fresh in mind:

Pros:

-Jason was undoubtedly the most obvious pro of this film. It was quite obvious that they thoughtfully invested in designing a Jason that had his most interesting features accentuated to great effect, whilst remaining consistent with previous films and not amounting to a stale rehashing of the same old ideas. Also, and I realize that there are some who take issue with this, I was very much pleased to see them opt for a more humanlike (or Part 3-like) Jason instead of the one-dimensional, directionless killing device with ridiculous superhuman strength that just wound up making him a lot less interesting; Jason actually comes off as way more badass because of it! Although his background remains unchanged and largely undiscussed, they breathe so much more like into the character via the environment they build for him. Which leads me to my next point...

-Crystal Lake: Although Crystal Lake and Jason are essentially interconnected here, it's precisely because of that reason that Crystal Lake gets its own 'pro.' Aside from having a greater sense of depth in regards to it being a mere environment than in previous films (and they also managed to recapture some of that spookiness that was apparent in earlier installments), they did wonders in presenting CL as Jason's own habitat. Everything there just had Jason's stamp all over it, and it was an absolute delight to see him running and rampaging (but mainly running ;)) through his own stomping grounds.

-When it came to Jason, the direction was really solid. It felt like it possessed the same feel of how Leatherface was shot in the TCM remake of 2003, and it fits Jason very well.

Cons:

-The story felt incredibly undercooked, and it was for this reason that I feel the film as a whole felt so substantially underwhelming. Look, I'm the first to admit that F13 storylines have a tendency of being designed to do little more than logically (?) place unsuspecting youths in Crystal Lake, but within that limited framework can occur some interesting, perhaps intriguing story elements that make you interested in where it's going (despite knowing where it's going), and about the people within it. In this case, however, everything in between kill scenes just felt like uninspired, chunky, extremely dry content that was a shade above filler, and did nothing for further developing the film's momentum and making the characters interesting such that I actually cared about what was happening to whom (yes, I pulled the ol' 'I didn't care about the characters' bit from first year English, but I feel it applies here). By the time moments of obvious story significance occurred, I simply didn't care.

-The kill sequences really didn't feel like they delivered much in terms of payoff. Any F13 kill sequence will generally telegraph itself to the audience through a number of typical devices; character(s) are isolated from the lot, camera begins stalking, spaces feel more condensed, etc. These are generally done in order to build up tension before it eventually climaxes, but instead of generating tension, these kill scenes just felt tedious and flat out boring. Beyond that, the actual kill scenes themselves felt abrupt, and disappointingly conventional.

-The music was simply forgettable and under-represented throughout the entire film. I'm not even talking about the signature F13 sound (no need to repeat it here), which was used too sparingly; I'm saying that they barely even utilized the idea of music in a horror film here!

Ultimately, I'd have to say that there was something that just wasn't right about this film. They adopted the essential blueprint of an F13 film, but it didn't feel like it had any unique personality of its own, and certainly didn't feel like it injected much overall uniqueness into the series as a whole. All the things it did right just felt like they would have been better used if they were in a better film, and as much as I hate to say it, felt wasted here. This is a movie that looks and smells like a Friday the 13th, but just doesn't have the heart of one.

Soooo, a solid two stars, or 'meh' rating from me, and as it ranks on my F13 totem poll, it would be my fifth best.

By the way, it seems I wound up burdening you with paragraphs of explanation after all.

HeavyMetalNinja

02-13-2009, 11:53 AM

Hey, it's good to share, I enjoyed reading your review, I thought the points you made were articulate and concise. Sorry to hear you didn't enjoy the film

cteavin

02-13-2009, 12:06 PM

I'm glad I found this forum. I love the series and loved this one best of all.

Because this thread's title is SPOILERS, I'm posting spoilers without hiding them; so please don't read further if you don't want to know what's going to happen in the movie.

Without going into what previous posters have said some things I very much enjoyed:

-- At the climax when Jason's face was going into the wood cutter, there's a figurative nod from the producers and director that said, "yeah, we COULD end it here but you want a sequel, right". I thought that was great.

-- Unlike everyone else, I liked that Jason came up from his watery grave. It answers the question going through my mind throughout the film: Is Jason supernatural? I also like that it referenced the first film and, by default, left us with ONE survivor, which follow formula, but breaks the formula in making him a man. (And yes, I remember Tommy. But that film was more "camp" than "horror".)

-- I loved the soundtrack and sound editing. When they were going through the tunnels the effects just crash down upon you.

-- Using the handheld camera added a lot of tension and, combined with the sound, really brought the tension to the foreground.

-- The look of the film is fantastic. Some of the sets definitely reference the previous films; Jason's home was really disturbing, atmospheric, and helped build his character.

-- Todays "torture porn" sub-genre is part of the underbelly in the updating. I can't remember a character in a Friday film ever screaming in pain (black guy, ax in the back; bear trap); and that poor girl being held prisoner for over a month underground.

-- He's smart. He's kept Camp Crystal Lake going, knows how to hunt, and can set traps. I was impressed. It made what he can do more believable.

Two questions for you all:

They paint Jason to be human, growing from that boy we glimpse at the beginning to the man he becomes. We later see Jason carry a headless corpse off screen and he was definitely doing something to it. Anyone else get the feeling that Jason eats his victims?

How many other horror movies could see referenced in the film? For example, when that dude was going to open that large white freezer in the tool shed the original Texas Chainsaw went through my mind.

Lammert

02-13-2009, 01:41 PM

The overal sound design was good, some of the sound effects were very good... it helped making Jason into a fast moving powerhouse.
However, the soundtrack wasn't memorable... remember the stingers/music in the first few Friday? They could have just 'upgraded' that somehow.
I like how the KiKiKi isn't overused. (I'm a music producer myself, so I know what I'm talking about..)

The final scare where Jason jumped from the lake was just to much like I said before... it was a cliché, but a cliche that came way to fast... and it didn't really resolve anything. It was confusing. My friend, who isn't a Friday fan said he loved the film but the ending made it look campy.

In some shots the handheld stuff made the movie unclear, like most movies nowdays. But I liked the way it was shot. It was fresh.

They should have deleted the scene where we see the old woman's house and she says "he want to be left alone.." it was too much TCM-like.

I liked the locations, they did a great job on that.

If only I could help write/film the sequel to this, I would know how to make it scary and add a few scary stalker scenes like Friday 1 till 4. ;)

sCabbOy

02-13-2009, 01:47 PM

Seventh best for me.

my rank:
3
2
1
4
5
6
remake
jgth
jtm
tnb
jx
fvj

Voorhees57

02-13-2009, 05:17 PM

+ Some of the locations look like they came from the first couple of films(the barn looked like the one from Part 3).

People talked about a flashback scene where he sharpens his machete? That scene wasn't in the version I saw.

Overal, I liked it as a hardcore Friday fan. And I think they should do a sequel next year!

i loved the fact that the barn was there...
but, i think the Part 3 set burned down a few years back.

i'm wondering about that sharpening scene too.

Hockey Mask

02-13-2009, 05:22 PM

As the new HNWJ said, the house from 3 burned down to the foundation but the barn is still there.
I don't think Lammert was trying to say it was the same barn though.

Patrick

02-13-2009, 05:30 PM

The sharpening scene is a deleted scene.

My bf and I are going to see it at 5:30 today. I'll post my thoughts on it later tonight. :)

Jason_Legend

02-13-2009, 06:15 PM

I just got back.

This entry is of course, like a slick, way less creepy, way more fast paced version of the early movies. If you keep your expectations way down, you should be alright.

Pros:

I like the Jason in this movie. I don't know if it was just me, but he seemed like a more human, faster moving version of Kane Hodder's Jason. If that makes any sense.

I actually enjoyed the banter between the characters. It was breezy. The actors had a lot energy. It felt loose. I wanted to see more of it.

Bree's breasts

The opening after the opening credits is possibly the best thing about the movie.

The Sister Christian song.

The kills aren't mind-blowingly creative, but I liked the way filmmakers handled them. They seemed really vicious. I remember in some older interview, one of producers or someone, said these kills will seem like the Final Destination deaths. Some of them actually did remind me of them.

They had the balls to kill off the Jenna character.

Cons:

It moves way, way too fast. I wanted more setup. I'm hoping the extended version will handle that.

The chase at the end is nothing special. It does its job, but it's really not that special.

It's really not much scary or creepy at all.

Another Hockey joke.

The opening credit sequence was kind of bad. It felt kind of direct to Video.

The score was as unmemorable and generic as it gets.

Jason's "death", and the ending sequence is kind of blah.

It has flaws. I can overlook them, but I think the biggest deal with movie, is it just needs to fleshed out more. I wanted more setup with these characters.

cjfridayfan13

02-13-2009, 07:29 PM

i made a new review and it has alot of stuff in the spiler section so please read!
so. i saw the very first showing on midnight and.......................
this movie was TERRIFIC! i love this movie so much. it had GREAT cinematography and felt so much like a friday the 13th film! being a huge huge HUGE HUGE fan of the series (1-11) it was perfect for us fans of friday the 13th i thought this movie was very creepy and made me jump alot! and it had a great creepy tone!
ok what im about to say is scenes from the movie so if you do no want to spoil anything for the movie if you havent seen it STOP READING NOW......SPOILERS SPOILERS

ok this is where the spoilers start.
the opening scene was GREAT! i loved how the Mrs voorhees thing went in with the opening credits!
when mrs voorhees came the crowed cheered! she was the scariest thing i have ever scene! she was like a witch! A WITCH!!! and when the girl chopped off her head it gave me so great memories! and then we see little feet and hands (little jason) grab the machete and you here the mothers voice kill for me. make them pay! then we come to a group of kids (very funny kids) having sex drinking beer having a great time
might i say i enjoyed the humor in this movie! the opening kills were great and the sack head was terrific.
after the first quick group of kids got killed (one surviving but you dont know until you see her later in the film) the title FRIDAY THE 13TH came up and the crowed CHEEERED! then we meet clay looking for his sister whitney (the girl who survived from the beginning) and then the new crowed the character Jenna (played by Danielle Panabaker) was so lovable i was so sad and mad that she died Sad i really was and clay was a likable chacter too and made you think he better not die! which he doesnt! and Whitney is awesome too! but you dont see her that much since she is locked up because jason thinks she looks like his mom! i loved that.
the kills were great! and the sex scenes um AKWARD and the ending.... lets talk about the ending when jason pops up from under the dock. i wish it was in slow mo and that there was happy music but i really hope this is indicating there will be a next one PLEASE GOD! i give the film........
infinity out of 100
favorite line (kind of corny but still true to the series) say hello to mommy..........IN HELL!

DrSpengler

02-13-2009, 07:38 PM

Alright, well, here's my review (http://pellecreepy.blogspot.com/2009/02/friday-13th-2009.html).

I enjoyed the movie, I was happy with the back to basics approach and thought the new take on Jason was GREAT.

But the kills were too bland at times and the characters seemed like they stepped out of a self-parody like in those awful Avatar comics.

I think it's a good start to a new series, it just didn't live up to its full potential.

AmonStone

02-13-2009, 09:05 PM

Just came back from seeing the new film. All-in-all I'd have to say it was good.
Yes, more of the signature music would have been nice, but it wasn't a big issue for me.
I would have liked to have seen a trade off, less nudity for a bit more goop as far as the deaths go, but that too, no big issue. I'm sure we'll be getting an unrated cut for the dvd, so that's cool.
I think the series was treated fairly. Some nods to the old franchise were nice to see.
Derek performed well as Jason. Not a huge hulking unstoppable monster, just a man with an agenda.
It was said that this film was a blended version of the first 4 movies from the original series, and in some small ways thats true, but don't expect a direct homage to anything. Not exactly anyways.
The ending to me seemed tacked on. Leaving it without the last 2 or 3 seconds would have been good. I think that we'll find out that the last little bit was a dream sequence anyway once the sequel hits the theater.
As far as a rating compared to the other films go? I'll have to wait a bit for that. The way I see things,to rate this movie,I'd have to consider whether or not I'd rather watch it again or watch one of the other films, and for now, I'd like to see this film again.
I can say I enjoyed it more than quite a few of the others. It ranks higher than 5 for sure, higher than FvJ without a doubt, but beyond that? Only time will tell.

james283126

02-13-2009, 10:36 PM

best one yet! Derek Mears was fucking awesome! and might i say i loved how down to buisness Jason was! mean ass big dude with a machette! which is another thing i loved, lot of machette kills! very good fucking movie! Awesome piece of film,lol i loved the fact that the first 20 mins were so detailed and thought out, the rest of the film was good aswel, however if you have seen one pshcho chasing teens you've seen em all, but the thing i love about this is how tasteful the chasing was, though the movie is predictible on some parts, but even if you dont like alot of chasing, you dont have much to worry about, thats like the last 15 mins, but also some of it was spread out through the movie so ,very good but if you have kids under 15 i dont recommend it,lol 9/10

francesco

02-13-2009, 10:56 PM

dunno, i think it's my best fourth in the series...but i'm a little bit confused, i have to see it again on sunday. music and blood...disappointed me. derek is the best jason so far!
the first 20 minutes are awesome!

Germaniac

02-13-2009, 10:58 PM

My ranking:
Final Chapter, The bodycount continues (thats Part 2), Jason X, FvsJ, Part 1, Part 6, F13th 2009, JGTH, 3D, TNB, ANB, JTM
So the remake get´s the seventh place in my ranking.

My review (the same one I posted in the "Rate"-thrad) :
It didn´t suck. But that´s (mostly) all the good stuff if have to say for the movie. It was just meh! Yes, the movie tries to be like the first 4, but only does a half-assed job. I wanted it to be great, but i tjust wasn´t enough to make me happy.
The first time I watched the classic Fridays I was thrilled and "at the edge o my seat". The creepyiness during the kill-sequences or the tension during the stalking and incredible chase sequences. F13th2009 lacks of suspense and "terror". The kill-seqences were mediocre (more on that later) and there wasn´t really a chase-sequence.
Jason is all over the movie like in TNB. They should have let him kept in the shadows, only to be revelead in the thast act of the movie (just like in the old movies). The kills and set-ups were very dull. He just appears behind his victims! Yeah, he does it with Chuck in 3D ... once in that movie. In F2009 he did it about 4 or 5 times!!! The old F13th had at least one unique kill. (Bacon getting speared, Mark getting the machete in the face, the Speargun to the yes, the corkscrew/cleaver combo, the frozen head smash or the bed-folding). There was no kill in the movie that relly stood out (just people getting slashed or impaled). It was just random slashing without something "new". The only two death-scenes that were somehow "creative" (IMO)were the kills of the couple who were waterskiing on the lake.
What I really liked: the characters. Chewie and his buddy (the black one, don´t remember the name). Modern day Jimbo and Ted´. And Trent was a character you just loved to hate. I didn´t care for the main-characters a bit I must say.
I must add a bit of critc again: The movie tried and "pretended" to be a classic F13th, but Chewie, his buddy and the dialouge were way too campy. I had more laughs than "chills" in F13th09 (he opening sequence with the couple getting interupted during sex was funny as hell, too). So yes, I was entertained ... but not by the thrills (only by the fun and goofieness). In style and athmo there wasn´t a gig difference between FvsJ/JX and F1312009: the sex-scene at the beginnig, the catalouge-wanking-scene and the dialouges between chewie and his buddy were campy and goofy and would have fit in Jason lives, JX and FvsJ as well (only that those movies wre gimick movies and did not "pretendt" to be a classic). So it kinda seems to me that they could not stick to their "let´s get back to basic/ to seriousness" and sticked a bit to the goofyness.
The T&A was good ... very good! Some of the best sets in the franchise (and I don´t mean the lake and the house!).
Another thing that I found very weird was the amount of "monolouges" in the movie. Chewie talks to himself for about 10 minutes in that shed before he gets killed!
Afer the opening sequence the movie had a weird pacing. As Lammert pointed out: It felt kinda like the TCM-remake when CLay went to that old lady. That dog jumping at the door was (IMO) the only "jumper" in the movie. It was pretendable a birl next to me said "I bet tha a dog will jump at the door next". IT happened, but it was a little "jumper", still). But what is a dog jumping at a door compared to a spear coming suddenly through Bacon´s throat? A machete splitting Mark´s face out of nowhere orthe corkscrew that Jason suddenly rams into Jimbo´s hand?
Mears´s Jason was great (besides being onscreen too much). He reminded me a lot of Brookers portrayal (e.g. when he tipped the canoes it remeinded me of Brooker searching for Chris in the barn).
The ending was very, very weird. Why would you want to drag a heavy dude like Jason to the lake and put him in there? That made absolutley no sense (makes Rennies and Sean´s decicion of going to the Satue of Liberty at the end of JTM seem rational!).

In closing: I am somewhat dissapointed. It was a good attempt, but it did not deliver IMO. I liked the TCM and Halloween-remakes a lot better than the F13thremake (*ducks before the bottles get thrown*).

Hypnocil

02-13-2009, 11:09 PM

Just got back from seeing it. I caught a 2:55 showing, so thankfully the theater wasn't packed with teenagers, but there were A LOT of them in line as I was on my way out. Phew! One group of people in the theater I was in had a boy with them no older than seven, that was shocking.

The movie was a breath of fresh air. It took itself seriously, and I saw people jump. I jumped once or twice...but I'm usually a sucker for the "fake scare-musical sting shocker". :p

The universe gave me a break, because I found pretty much every character likable. None of them got on my nerves, and believe me I was expecting it. The young adults were allowed to be young adults, they certainly weren't aware they were in a Friday the 13th and it's been a looong time since we've seen that.

The music was bad. It was very generic sounding, to the point of where I noticed how generic it sounded. I swear, the closing credits were more reminiscent of a Terminator movie than a Friday the 13th.

The setting was great. Nice lush atmosphere, clean lake, and the camp area looks old and overgrown with foliage. Very cool!

Of course, Jason was stand-out good. Mears did a really great job.

I thought all the deaths were pretty cool. The arrow death is probably my favorite, but the bear trap/head split was also great!

I did not expect Jenna to die! She reminded me of a less-prudish Chris Higgins...maybe because they both remind me of Texas chicks.

Whitney was an okay survivor, a little underdeveloped. Clay was cool, I guess he's lucky Jason didn't finish what he started.

Bring on the next one! :D

And as for my ranking, I'm going to think it over a bit before deciding...but so far I'm placing it about fifth or sixth best...

1
2
3
4
5
Remake
6
7
X
JGTH
FVJ
JTM

I dunno...I might need to battle it with ANB in my mind awhile to see where I ultimately place it.

sCabbOy

02-13-2009, 11:12 PM

simonthekillerewok

02-13-2009, 11:27 PM

Just got back from seeing it and having to explain all the way home to an old friend of mine about the other Friday the 13th films (he was in the same screening as me but only noticed later). He liked it and he isn't even that much into horror. This is a good sign for the franchise. My work colleagues liked it also but were a little surprised when I told them I wanted to watch it 2 more times.

Anyway here's my pros and cons review:

Pros:

The Kill scenes were fun, inventive, gorey, shocking and unexpected. So good I can't choose a favorite which is a good sign. Jason uses many weapons

All the teens are bearable, the annoying Trent was as bad as Melissa in part 7. But he was also fun in a pathetic way.

The comedy moments in act 2 work VERY WELL. This released the tension after a kill. Chewie is my favorite character.

Jared Padalecki wasn't as annoying as I'd thought he would be. In fact he was a good lead character

The atmosphere was very unique and memorable. Very woodsy. The lack of music made it seem more realistic and stand out from the other Fridays. It surprisingly worked well for me

Mears' portrayal of Jason is great and is easily up there with Brooker, White and Hodder

The scene where Jason is tied to the chains was a really intense moment. I was hoping he wouldn't be grinded up

Cons:

The opening scene with Mrs Voorhees and the victim was too rushed, and didn't have a good build up to the beheading. In fact my friend didn't understand how this had much to do with the movie... I guess a sequel could explain it to the clueless ones or they could watch the other films.

Scene 2: where we're introduced to teh first group of teens had crap dialogue ad the jokes didn't work.

They put rap music in the film. I don't like rap music. I suppose it wasn't too bad because it was low volume.

The trailer revealed 2 jumps in the movie, thus only 3 jumps worked on me.

The lake is too big

The scenes were deliberately lit bad (or the projector was crap). This made it difficult to tell sometimes which implements he was killing with

Overall I will not rate this movie until I've seen it again.

It's safe to say that this is by far the BEST remake I've seen because it's not a real remake, and respects the original film

Hypnocil

02-13-2009, 11:55 PM

Speking of younguns in the theater- I saw Coraline last weekend and the place was packed with kids- PACKED. If I heard one more kid say "mommy can we go home, this is scaring me" I was seriously going to snap. It was so hard to watch the movie because of all of the kids getting scared and it was not even a scary movie!

Seriously...there were times I would hear the child say, "I'm gettin' scared..." and the mom (I'm assuming she was the mom) would continually give him either the pop or popcorn and send him to the lobby to get refills....alone. She would even tell him "take your time so it won't be scary when you get back!" :duh:

Like I said...the kid couldn't be over seven.

One funny moment was when the title "Friday the 13th" finally came up...someone in the theater said rather loudly "I thought the movie already began." and everyone laughed. :p

HeavyMetalNinja

02-14-2009, 12:00 AM

Hah! That's ridiculous

(off topic, reminds me of when I went to see Fellowship of the Ring. When Gandalf falls down the chasm, a kid whimpered "Gandalf!!" like it was his grandad or something.)

DistantJ

02-14-2009, 12:25 AM

I thought it was fucking perfect! There was nothing I wanted to be in it that wasn't in the film. Very happy about it!!

Spook

02-14-2009, 12:33 AM

Well, I re-watched the entire series before seeing the remake, and after getting back, I'd have to rank them as follows:

3, 4, 2, remake, 1, 6, 7, 8, JGTH, FvJ, 5, JX.

The remake was definitely better than I was expecting. I didn't really have high expectations, but they weren't too low either. I was hoping to have a good time and watch Jason fuck people up, and that's what I got. I think there's definitely potential in the newly started series (assuming they turn this into a new franchise, and not just a sequel or two). I absolutely love Derek Mears as Jason. I seriously think he is the second best (imo). Richard Brooker will always be my fave, but Mears definitely comes close.

Toejam

02-14-2009, 12:55 AM

5th or 6th for me (I voted 5th.) I'll have to see it a few more times before I decide for sure.

I loved when the guy got stuck in the bear trap.

The only thing that bothered me about the final scare was that Jason jumps out
wearing the Mask when seconds before it was shown on the bottom of the lake.
I guess Jason is a fish. He had to swim to the bottom, grab and put on the mask,
then swim to the top in a blink.
Fuck Michael Phelps, we need Jason representing the U.S.A. in the Olympics.

Hockey Mask

02-14-2009, 01:03 AM

Went to the 4:00 showing and was only one of twelve people. Including two people who left with about5-10 minutes left.

When news of this movie came out I was very much against it. I wanted a true sequel or at least a movie that could stand on it's own without doing much to the timeline/canon.

As the release got closer I definately started getting more excited for it. I sure as hell wasn't going to boycott it.

I'm glad to say I really, really, really liked this movie. I liked how the opening and how it was a seperate (but connected) story. I thought Mears did a pretty damn good job with the role. The cast was by far the best we have seen in the series. The dialogue was pretty accurate. it was nothing to write home about but pretty realistic when you're talking about a bunch of horny drunk potheads. The atmosphere was outstanding! I have been jonesing for some Crystal Lake since Part 7. I loved the spotlights Jason had. didn't know that was coming and wish they had gone a bit more into it storywise. It was definately a "OH SHIT!" moment. There were 3-4 quality kills. I think the chick under the dock may be my favorite. The tunnels were creepy as hell. I liked the ending quite a bit. It will be interesting to see where the character goes next after coming back from a mechete in the chest. I was very glad to see that it wasn't Jason driving the boat or the truck. That would have hurt.

I was pleasantly surprised. I had heard some problems people had with this before going but I think they did a real good job of "remaking" F13 while still having their own stamp on the project. Sooooo much better than the Halloween remake.

I have to say this is my FOURTH favortie friday to date. Just behind 3, 4 & 6. Typically movies drop in appreciation as the thrill of just seeing it wears off. I think this might actually improve with time and be ranked even higher. I never thought I would see the day that I saw a Friday better than 3, 4 & 6. Friday the 13th was a lucky day for me.:D

CrazyRalph

02-14-2009, 01:30 AM

I loved this movie.Inventive kills, a quick,agile and brutal Jason and a great atmosphere.Nana visitor did great with the small amount of time given.The rest of the cast was the most enjoyable since part 3 IMO.

This easily ranks as one of my top favorites of all time.I was too young to see human Jason in the theatres,and I'm glad I finally got to see it.Mears did an amazing job.Loved the nod to ginny from part 2,in the form of Clay's sister,and the nod with the wheelchair to part 2 also.

The only thing it was missing was Crazy Ralph. ;)

This movie is tied with part 2 as my favorite,so I ranked it at 1 on the poll.

Matt326

02-14-2009, 01:35 AM

This one was number Two for me 2,Remake,3,6,4,.....
I liked what they did with Jason.i liked how he ran and how he was more relistic.Derek Mears is by far my Favorite Jason now.I can't wait til the next one.

Jason Has good aim with the bow and Axe.LoL

Esten

02-14-2009, 01:53 AM

Yikes. What a mess of a film.

As a whole, this felt like more of a parody of a Friday The 13th movie, rather than an actual Friday The 13th movie. I think part of the problem was Nispel - it seemed that his heart wasn't into the project. Like he wished he were somewhere else. Jablonsky's score is awful. No tension from it at all, minus a few brief instances. I'll go as far as to say the Jason X score was head-and-shoulders better.

If this is what I'm in store for with Nightmare - sweet Mary Jane Rottencrotch. Check, please!

Joshg

02-14-2009, 02:04 AM

The slasher film from 2009 entitled Friday the 13th, a supposed remake to the 1980 horror classic of the same name, turns out to be a mix of the old in with the new. In fact, it's not a remake at all, but a sequel. Starting off with an updated version of part 1 in a few dozen seconds, the film then moves onto 20 years later, where baghead Jason terrorizes a modern batch of young adults. The atmosphere is pretty good (although it feels nothing like a Friday the 13th film), and the first few kills are inventive. It's nice to see Jason not use the machete so damn much as he has been frequently. However, after the very long pre-credit scenes of dying campers, it's a bit of a downwards slope.

We see a bunch of stereotypical teens going to the rich boy Trent's cabin. By the way, Trent is played by Travis Van Winkle, the man who played another 'Trent' in Transformers, who was the same type of douchebag there as he was there. (Series crossover anyone?) Although at first he portrays a little bit of Paul from F13 Part II, we quickly see his nasty side and the jerk is a goner from here on out. Two indistinguishable blonde girls, with knacks for sluttiness (Bree and Chelsea), followed by a couple token 'race characters' (the hilarious Chewie and the tiresome Lawrence), the good girlfriend of the douche (Jenna) and of course, a greasy surfer (?) dude (Nolan). It's a shame that most of them are cardboard, save for Chewie and Jenna. Then comes Clay (played by Jared Padelecki), a young man searching for his lost sister Whitney, who was among the five attacked in the pre-credit scenes. Oh, the plot thickens! Well, not much yet anyways...

Along the way, through overdone drinking and drug scenes (seriously, the slasher genre isn't THAT cliche Bay!), we have some gratuitous nudity and weak mini-characters thrown in. Oh, and a very random mask finding scene in the middle of a hick's garbage heap. Silly...but okay, forgivable. Afterall, this entry has a lot more comedy that most Fridays, and unlike, say, Part VI, it doesn't interfere too much with the dark tone. However, I will say that Jason isn't that scary in this film, once again leaving Parts 1-5 as the creepiest pursuers...well, 1-4 at least. Gore is all about, but shockingly, not that big in bulk. The kills are fun and creative, as I've already said, but compared to last month's My Bloody Valentine remake, this remains a 'gorific' film, to relate to a 'certain' website. A-hem!

Well, there's not too much CGI, and when there is, it's usually well done. Exceptions are an axe impalement, where a kid with a hatchet sticking out of his back is pressed against the ground; the blade blasts through his chest. THAT, my friends, is how not to do an effect. Watching the film with no spoilers going in is a flare signifying that if I happen to notice poor effects on a 2009 film on opening night, there's some touching up that needs to be done. But F13 '09 keeps everything fine, blood to a minimum, and never goes over the top. Nice.

After some small TCM'03 similarities, a rather refreshing approach at editing (no crappy flashing modernized jumps), and many technology references, we have what we call a soundtrack. Oh boy...what a horrible music involvement. Most of the tunes are total trash, but whatever. A major conflict is resolved, a surprise kill is unleashed, and the "death" (HA!) of Jason is the best ending we've had to the series since, oh...Part VI? Now, keep in mind, I'm eliminating the magnificent fantasy elements of Jason Goes to Hell. Also, I'm not talking about that bad jump ending at the VERY end. That...could have been approached differently. Friday '09 had a bit of 80s, a bit of the 90s, and a bit of the now in its bones, and now that I look at the whole thing, I'm realizing that not one scene in the movie felt tense or scary! That's right, I'd actually say the first few were more 'terrifying' than this, even with the power of high budgets! Weird world. Fun, a slight return, but still very average. Jason himself looks and feels great, and adds a lot to the film. I recommend getting this just because it's stupid entertainment, that isn't really calculated for a buy, but just feels like one. Hmm, I think that I'll go back to the theaters now. :)

6 / 10
***

PS, I rank it as the eighth best in the series, with potential to become the seventh.

1. Part I
2. Part II
3. Part IV
4. Part III
5. Part V
6. Part VII
7. Part VI
8. Remake / Sequel-Thing
9. Part VIII
10. Jason Goes to Hell
11. Freddy Vs Jason
12. Jason X

nottidelterrore

02-14-2009, 02:16 AM

Ninth best.

Friday the 13th: The Final Chapter
Friday the 13th Part 2
Friday the 13th
Friday the 13th Part 3
Friday the 13th Part VI: Jason Lives
Friday the 13th Part V: A New Beginning
Friday the 13th Part VII: The New Blood
Jason Goes to Hell: The Final Friday
Friday the 13th (2009)
Jason X
Freddy vs. Jason
Friday the 13th Part VIII: Jason Takes Manhattan

I enjoyed it a lot but there are just too many of the films that I'd place before it.

WOLF

02-14-2009, 02:56 AM

I tried to avoid as many spoilers as possible, but I couldn't believe some of the complaints.
"Jason doesn't run" (2,3 and 4)
"Jason doesn't shoot things" (speargun in 3,4 and 8)
"Jason kills everybody on contact" (Ginny with his mom's sweater)
"Story was weak" (the entire series)
"Acting was bad" (many sequels)

A complaint I do agree with is the score.....was there one?? I hope they didn't pay the guy too much. Take out the original Halloween's score, and the movie would never have caught on.

I thought the cast was the best in the series. The kills were average...which surprised me. But I was happy, and so was everybody I was with.
The audience cheered when Friday the 13th came across the screen. When the fuck has that happened before? And they clapped at the end.

Skott

02-14-2009, 03:13 AM

Better than JGTH and FvJ, though it doesn't touch any of the Paramount era films in my opinion. I have a soft spot for Jason X so it has to go after that :)

Geddy Peart

02-14-2009, 04:38 AM

I don't want to compare this to the old series as this film is an entirely new beast; I want to judge it on its own merits. That said, I'm a bit disappointed. I was really looking forward to this and I feel it just didn't deliver.

But first, what I actually liked about the movie:

It's already been stated several times but Derek Mears is phenomenal as Jason. He was ruthless and quite intelligent (for Jason anyway). I absolutely loved how Jason set traps and used characters as live bait. The sleeping bag over the fire/bear trap scene genuinely took me by surprise.

Other than that, I didn't really like much else about the movie. The musical score did nothing for me, it added nothing to the atmosphere. Again I hate to compare it to the old series, but the absence of Manfredini's work is sorely missed.

I also hated all of the characters except Jason. They were all annoying and I didn't care if anyone lived or died. In my opinion this hurt the film, as the audience should be rooting for at least one character to live and the villain to be defeated. Not the other way around. In F13 '09, I didn't care about any of them. There was nothing to get me emotionally invested in the characters. I don't even remember any names save for Clay and Whitney (because their names were brought up the most). I didn't even bat an eye when the lead girl was killed. Again, I don't mean to compare new to old but F13 films don't have the greatest characters, however I usually find something memorable about one or two characters that gets me interested in how it turns out for them. Herem not so much. They were all pretty bland including Clay. I did not care if anyone was going to live, I didn't even care if Clay ever found Whitney. The only character that held my interest was Jason. I don't blame the actors though, they did the best with what they were given.

I didn't really laugh at any of the attempts at humor either. There were parts that I knew were meant to invoke a few chuckles, but when these parts were on screen I thought "This is supposed to be funny?"

I also didn't care for Nispel's direction here. I thought he did great with TCM and I was curious to see how he'd handle Jason. Well, he handled Jason perfectly. Everything else, not so much. This felt more like TCM rather that F13. The atmosphere was all wrong, the pacing didn't feel right at parts. I felt certain points of the film were rushed. I won't gripe about the story, I thought it was standard fair for F13.

Lastly, I'll echo the sentiment on the ending, but for a different reason (although the cheap attempt at a jump scare was lame). A bunch of people are dead, you've killed the guy who's responsible and you dump the body into the lake. Great thinking, now what will you tell the authorities when they show up? I get the symbolism of putting Jason "back where he belongs", but this was just stupid. And like I said, Jason barging through the dock was lame.

Despite my gripes, I'll probably see it again for Mear's performance. Don't get me wrong it's an okay film, but it could have been better. Still, it's nice to see Jason back on the big screen, especially a Jason like this.

Overall, it get's a "meh" from me.

Other than that, I agree with Esten that if this is what's in store ANOES, count me out.

Rich

02-14-2009, 06:01 AM

It's definitely the third best in the series! It is the new Part 5 for me. The way I rank them is:

Friday the 13th (1980)
Friday the 13th Part 2 (1981)
Friday the 13th (2009)
Friday the 13th: The Final Chapter (1984)
Friday the 13th Part 3: 3D (1982)

Sketch Sanchez

02-14-2009, 06:29 AM

Rich

02-14-2009, 06:31 AM

I found the story pretty good actually. It was basically Rob's story from The Final Chapter, but with a different twist.

Sketch Sanchez

02-14-2009, 06:36 AM

I just got back, Im going to bed-so Ill just echo the great Dream Master (http://www.oh-the-horror.com/page.php?id=485)as he echos my thoughts perfectly.

It's certainly perfect by no means and it doesn't re-invent the wheel (not that it should have), but it is a worthy entry in the series because it gets most of the important things right. Most importantly, it gets Jason himself right, and it's good to have him back in familiar surroundings. Don't get me wrong, the decades-long detour he took through Manhattan, hell, space, and Elm Street was enjoyable; however, it's good to have him back in Crystal Lake, as this film shows that you can go home again. I feel like if this were called Friday the 13th Part 12, it'd probably be hailed as the best entry since Jason Lives by most fans. I'm not sure where I'd rank it now, but I can say that Platinum Dunes has crafted an entry that Friday fans should enjoy for years to come. Platinum Dunes next trip will be to Elm Street, and it will be by far their most complicated yet, as they're set to tackle unique challenges that didn't present themselves here. Until then, however, enjoy the fact that at least one icon is back in a big way.

Jason3000

02-14-2009, 09:05 AM

Okay i just got back from RE-WATCHING it, and i am so fucking surprised at the fact that i enjoyed it so much more the second time around than the first! I don't know why...this has never happened with me when i re-watched F v J and Jason X, in fact the quality of both dropped tremendously the 2nd time around. But i can say now that this is one of the best movies in the entire series definitely!! I raise the grade up from a B+ to an A-.

The stuff that i complained about yesterday...all seem irrelevant now. The score grew on me, and suspense/tention in scenes were a lot more evident this time around. I do gotta say the crowd that i watched it with today was about twice as fun as the crowd from yesterday. Everyone was so into the movie, and it was just generally well liked. Lots of screams and people were actually scared of Jason which was so nice to see.

Here are my two quirks from the movie though,

I didn't like the way Jason stumbled upon the hockey mask at all. It just seemed to random and too anti climatic. Like 'okay, whatever...moving on'.

No complain about the kills, they were pretty good. But my only thing is...almost every single victim got killed from the head. I wish they would've done other things, but even then the head kills were very well recieved

Death Curse

02-14-2009, 09:32 AM

Man, there sure are a lot of "Comic Book Guys" in this thread.

I just got back from seeing it and I was completely satisfied. This is one Jason that doesn't f_ck around. He doesn't toy with people or get cute, he just charges at you and kills your ass dead (unless he has other plans for you, such as being live bait).

If I was to change anything I'd cut back on the drug usage (I know its always been a part of the series but I think they overdo it here) and I'd totally remove that scene where the broad with the dog knows positively of Jason's existence and seems to accept the fact that a crazed killer stalks the area close to her home. I mean, no big deal, right?

Nobody in the packed theater I was in was laughing at the movie. Nobody was making fun of Jason.

Jason was such a badass that at one point at the end I said to myself "Nobody's gonna kill this guy, this is gonna be the one movie where there are no survivors, Jason kills everybody. Turns out I was right, and I loved it.

makaveddie81

02-14-2009, 11:28 AM

Just got back from watching it. My opinion of the film depends on the expectation level used. The high expectations I had when the film was released were not met at all... not even close. I expected a film that bested every installment in the franchise (which shouldn't be that hard to be honest). The "stereotypical Friday the 13th" expectation that I developed once more details of the film were leaked was certainly met. There is way too much sex/nudity (and the DVD is said to contain even more), comedy and drug use (as I predicted). The jokes weren't even funny and it seemed like, rather than make an honest attempt to scare you, the film was trying too hard to generate laughs (which I predicted would be the case). If a laugh track could be added to Part 3, then this one takes the cake for "most likely to become a sitcom in 20 years" by far.

As mentioned by others, the film just didn't have that Friday feel to it. The look was too similar to FVJ, with fake fog and excess filters to boot. What really takes away from the Friday feel is the score (or lack thereof). Steve Jablonsky's industrial score seemed out of place, and I only heard the kikiki mamama theme - which the Dunes assured would be prevalent throughout the film - three times (including the one used during the title presentation. The rap music made it seem like an MTV reality show. The Crystal Lake population was too TCM-ish and did not have the New jersey feel to them like the first film. The scene with the old lady was laughable, at best. I seriously laughed through its entirety.

The location was good. I loved the POV shots, setting up Chewie's body as a trap, the entire barn scene and the ending.

Even though I hate Jason's attire, it didn't really bug me because there is only one body shot (right after he throws Trent onto the truck), though the jacket did make it appear like Jason was wearing a skirt. Derek Mears did a great job of portraying Jason, and I hope he comes back for the sequel.

The beheading scene was poorly done IMO. Why the hell would Pamela stand there unprotected and take the time to reveal her motive when Alice had a machete in her possession??? It made no sense whatsoever.

The kills were not creative at all, as there were too many machete kills. Jason might as well should have had a machete implant in place of his right arm.

I hated the underground tunnels. Dunes apologists (and people on their payroll) kept saying that their purpose was to explain how Jason caught up to his victims. I did not see one instance where the tunnels were used for this purpose. They were mainly used to hide Whitney and probably served as a means for Jason to transport his weed stash. I despised the lights around Jason's shack, which is now a full fledged cabin equipped with items from his childhood, which bears the question: How the hell did he manage to get all that stuff to the cabin? The bell alarm almost made me vomit. These things made Jason not feel like the Jason I know and love. Had these been removed, I would have rated this as the fifth best entry in the series.

Shannon and Swift rehashed quite a bit of material from FVJ. First, a hockey reference joke was made again. In FVJ, Freeburg called Jason a goalie and in the remake, Chewie handed Jason a hockey stick and told him it would complete his outfit. That scene also bears a striking resemblance to Kia being humorous while a couple of feet away from a burned entity with a bladed glove. Second, Pamela calls Jason "my special, special boy" again, that line brought back unpleasant memories to say the least. Third, Wade's corpse leaning against the tree was eerily similar to Linderman's demise in FVJ. Last, Whitney uttering "say hi to Mommy... in hell" bears a striking resemblance to Lori's "welcome to my world, bitch". They penned better dialog than FVJ this time around, though there are certainly different ways to write "she's gone missing". Their "comedy" was unbearable, especially the "brilliant" lines given to Kyle Davis. The old lady's line were also laughable. Their new ideas (tunnels, lights, et.al.) were all failures. These hacks have a stereotypical view of the franchise and have been the cause for two of the most important films in the franchise being disappointments. I hope they are not retained for the sequel.

I predicted that this film would not be better than MBV3D and my prediction was accurate IMO. MBV3D was more suspenseful, the kills were more creative and had better pacing. Friday the 13th just went through the motions. I have it as the sixth best entry in the franchise (4,2,3,1,6, remake, JGTH, 5, 7, 8, FVJ, JX) which, to me, makes this film a disappointment.

Hockey Mask

02-14-2009, 12:10 PM

Couldn't disagree with you more. I think you put a bit too high expectations on this, You were expecting it to be the best in the sereis?

I think your comparisons to other movies is silly too. It's the twelfth movie in the series. it is going to have similarities. It is following a formula.

You seemed to have two sets of complaints. Complaints that said ____________ was too similar to past films and complaints that ___________ was too different.

Your expectations were WAY too high. I hope the movie grows on you because it was a pretty good one.

Paradox Lost

02-14-2009, 12:26 PM

The beheading scene was poorly done IMO. Why the hell would Pamela stand there unprotected and take the time to reveal her motive when Alice had a machete in her possession??? It made no sense whatsoever.

I really think this was expedited due to the nature of that flashback; it's just bringing the unfamiliar up to speed and injecting a sense of continuity for the people who already are. But yeah, it was apparently a lot easier to behead Mrs. Voorhees here than in part I.

The kills were not creative at all, as there were too many machete kills. Jason might as well should have had a machete implant in place of his right arm.

I really have to agree here. I don't want to write them off as half-assed, but they certainly had the means and imagination to develop something more interesting. On the whole, I can't help but feel that the death scenes just sorely lacked substance.

I hated the underground tunnels. Dunes apologists (and people on their payroll) kept saying that their purpose was to explain how Jason caught up to his victims. I did not see one instance where the tunnels were used for this purpose. They were mainly used to hide Whitney and probably served as a means for Jason to transport his weed stash. I despised the lights around Jason's shack, which is now a full fledged cabin equipped with items from his childhood, which bears the question: How the hell did he manage to get all that stuff to the cabin? The bell alarm almost made me vomit. These things made Jason not feel like the Jason I know and love. Had these been removed, I would have rated this as the fifth best entry in the series.

Not really with you on this point. I loved the underground tunnels in principle. I thought it was an effective means of toning down the superhuman absurdity that Jason had been imbued with via later installments whilst maintaining his status as essentially inescapable, as opposed to not even bothering to explain how he manages to catch up to his rapidly fleeing victims in a matter of mere seconds (seriously, the 'he just does it, ok?' principle is really hard to digest sometimes). However, I agree that whatever complexity and efficiency these underground tunnels posses really isn't expressed very well in the film, as from what we see, it doesn't really demonstrate how he gets around Crystal Lake.

By the way, what do you have against the lights? I think it's perfectly consistent with the more humanlike Jason from parts one through four, in which whatever human qualities he retains have some ominous, eerie twist to them.

jah jah jason

02-14-2009, 01:09 PM

Hockey Mask

02-14-2009, 02:03 PM

francesco

02-14-2009, 02:06 PM

the hockey mask scene is far better than in part 3.

hack slash

02-14-2009, 02:45 PM

great movie, great acting from Padeleki, Righetti and Panabaker. Jason was the most bad ass Jason ever

Rankings

Friday(2009):D
Jason Lives:D
Final Chapter:)
Freddy VS:)
3D:)
X:shifty:
Manhattan:lmao:
Goes to Hell:cry:
New Beginning:duh:
2:doh:
New Blood(yawn)
original(zzzzzzzz)

AQuietMaskedMan

02-14-2009, 03:16 PM

I think this is my favorite of the whole series. I have never had so much fun with an audience at a movie. They loved it and was very into it. It was definately lightyears better than 8, JGTH, JX and FvJ. I really liked it and I loved the portrayl of Jason. I think my favorite death was the throwing axe death (That had to hurt) and the flamed sleepying bag.

sCabbOy

02-14-2009, 03:58 PM

I liked the hockey mask scene. You can see him make the decision of the mask over and the pillow case. And like you said the mirror was good too. I'm not sure what is disappointing people with the hockey mask scene.

I think people were expecting him to take it from some chubby nerd, I reckon. Hell, it's better than how Jason got his mask in JL and JTM for sure.

eXile

02-14-2009, 04:08 PM

I actually enjoyed this movie. As some of you "old-timers" know, I have always separated the series into Friday the 13th (the original) and "Jason Movies" (2-FvJ). I thought this was a really solid "Jason Movie." I will always have a problem with the whole concept of "Jason didn't really drown" which was introduced in Part 2 as a hack move to milk the success of the original, so the opening sequence with Little Jason picking up the locket in 1980 rubbed me the wrong way. I also thought that the recap of the ending of the original was horribly done. As has been mentioned in this thread, Mrs. V basically just walks up speaks her mind and lets herself get decapitated. The sequence was HORRIBLY done in the new film and would have been better off not even being there.

As for some of the complaints, the score was fairly non-existent or at the very least non-memorable to me, so I can see where the complaints are coming from on that front.

I think Wolf touched on some of the other complaints perfectly in his post.

I did think the film did not do a very good job emphasizing that Jason kept Whitney alive due to the fact that she resembled his mother. I think to fans of the series, this was probably fairly obvious, considering it was a bit of a nod to Ginny's survival strategy in Part 2, and the few subtle hints in the new movie Whitney's boyfriend commenting how she looks like the picture in the locket, and the fact that when Whitney wears the locket she has an affect on Jason.

The absolute biggest pro to this movie to me was that Clay actually fought Jason for a little bit (and it was moderately believable) as opposed to hunting down the victimizer of sister through the movie only to stand there and allow Jason to hammer him to death while exclaiming "He's killing me" over and over like Rick did in TFC. It was actually refreshing to me to feel like there was the possibility that Jason could be hurt and that the characters had a fighting chance (albeit a slim one).

While I love movies like Jason Lives, The New Blood, and Jason X for their over-the-top cheer for the anti-hero qualities, I felt like the new Friday re-molded Jason into a villain again. Sure, I couldn't wait for him to off Trent, but I definitely viewed Jason as the bad-guy again and really was rooting for Clay, Whitney, and Jenna by the latter part of the film.

By the way, but did anybody else notice that Travis van Winkle's characters in both Bay's Transformers and the new Friday are named Trent, are both rich d-bags, and both drive big black SUVs?

Oh and as for ranking the films in the series, mine would go something like this...

1. Friday the 13th (1980)
2. VI:Jason Lives
3. IV:The Final Chapter
4. Friday the 13th (2009)
5. VII:The New Blood (love the FX job that Beuchler did)
6. Jason X (wish the Cunninghams wouldn't have "modified" it)
7. FvJ
8. Part 2
9. Part 3
10. VII:Jason Takes Manhattan
11. V:A New Beginning
12. Jason Goes to Hell
ADDED:
I'm not sure what is disappointing people with the hockey mask scene.

I didn't have a problem with him finding it in the manner he did. However, I thought the sequence of him just sort of finding the mask could have been directed MUCH better than it was. Considering that the mask is such an iconic piece, I thought that the way the first-half of the scene played out was fairly ho-hum.

AQuietMaskedMan

02-14-2009, 04:08 PM

I think people were expecting him to take it from some chubby nerd, I reckon. Hell, it's better than how Jason got his mask in JL and JTM for sure.

Yeah I know. I think it makes more sense having and old mask with a barn full of old stuff and junk anyway, than a guy randomly using it for a prank.

sCabbOy

02-14-2009, 04:11 PM

Yeah I know. I think it makes more sense having and old mask with a barn full of old stuff and junk anyway, than a guy randomly using it for a prank.

I agree, and here's a good story. When I was young my dad worked for a guy who cleaned out old buildings in rural Florida. One barn he cleaned before it was being demolished spawned a half van load of vintage sporting equipment. So, I really can say that it's easier to grasp.

I do like how Jason got it in 3, and I love the fact it did not show him take it from Shelly, but it was not memorable at all.

Rick

02-14-2009, 04:17 PM

Let me start with what I thought worked.
I thought Jason was great in this movie. IMO he’s more of an expansion on part 2.
He’s definitely portrayed as more intelligent here then he ever has been in the past.
Derek was great as Jason. He played the part great and this is the best Jason I have seen in a long time. If there is a sequel I really hope he’s signed for it.
I liked the camp. We never get more then a couple shots of it, but what I saw I thought looked good.
I also think Jason’s tunnels worked fine in the movie. They come off more as an earthen basement then an old mine, IMO.
I thought the climax in the barn was great.
The hanging scene was really reminiscent of part 3 and I thought the shot of Jason with the chain around his neck and running at Whitney and being choked back by it was good. I also liked the scene where Clay fights back and runs Jason into the wall.
I did hope the final scene would be Jason jumping out of the lake to grab the last female survivor, and I wasn’t disappointed. I liked that throw back to the original. I thought it was fitting, I just wish he hadn’t been wearing the mask.
So I thought the climax was great and I liked the ending.
It was nice to see Jason use more then just the machete, especially after FvsJ. There are a variety of weapons used here. A small variety, but it’s more of a variety then we have gotten with the last two movies.
IMO the complaints about the machete in the poster being to sword like turned out to be unfounded. There’s really only one shot of Jason from head to toe with the machete that I remember. Every other shot is him either unsheathing from the waist uo it so you don’t get a full shot of it, or he’s moving and you can’t really tell how long it is.
I liked the story. It was basically Rob’s story from TFC made into a movie.
The crowed I saw it with seemed to have a great time. The same thing happened in my theatre that Wolf commented on, when Friday the 13th came up on the screen people cheered and clapped, I’m not sure I’ve ever seen that, maybe during FvsJ. And when the movie was over every one clapped as well. People laughed at the comedy and went “ohh” during certain deaths.
The vast majority of the audience looked to be 16-20, the target audience for these movies, so it’s hitting it’s mark there. There was also a surprising number of people who looked late 20s or early 30s (my age) that brought little kids. I’m talking kids between 6 and 10.
And about the pot plants. I’ve read a bunch of reviews where people called Jason a pot farmer and that he’s protecting his stash. That’s just ludicrous. This is just a complaint by people who already don’t like the movie trying really hard to find something else to complain about. It’s completely unfounded. The pot is growing wild and happens to be in Jason’s territory. If you trespass on Jason’s territory Jason will kill you regardless of why you’re there. There is nothing in this movie that makes it look like Jason is protecting his stash.

This movie had no atmosphere in parts.
Did any of the characters even mention that it was Friday the 13th?
I’m going to agree that this movie did feel rushed.
I wish that there had been a little more of Pamela at the beginning.
I got the feeling that Jason drowning, Pam’s killing spree and her death were all in the same night. The girl that ends up decapitating her is wearing a camp shirt if I’m not mistaken.
Also, Whitney reminding Jason of his mother could have been conveyed better.
The music is completely forgettable and I only counted 3 ki ki ki ma ma ma’s. It wasn’t over used, but since there was no stalking in this movie I guess it wasn’t underused either.
That is another problem I had, no stalking. There were no shots of Jason watching his prey before he stuck (POV or otherwise).
PD said they were trying to recapture the feeling of the original 4 but really missed something by not having Jason stalk anyone. It really added to the feel and mood of the original 4 movies.
The characters were walking around, looking at stuff, then Jason’s just there and he kills them.
There was no tension until the end.
I wish they had gotten a better director. A good story only works if you have a director that can get it off the page and onto the screen.
The scene in the cabin when Jason has everyone trapped had no atmosphere, either. Their friend is screaming for help outside and all but one of the characters seemed to just stand there waiting for the next scene. The entire cabin sequence could have been a LOT better.
Though there was a variety of weapons used in this, I thought the kills could have been bloodier.
The death scenes were a little stale. They could have at least given some of the characters a few death twitches, I’m thinking in particular of the arrow to the head and the poker through the eyeball. Instead, with pretty much everyone, we get the strike and then they are just down and move on.
The last thing I thought could have been improved was Jason’s makeup.
I was fine with the new look, don’t get me wrong. The new outfit he has in this movie really grew on me and I’m actually going to buy the 12-inch Sideshow or Mezco at some point to add to my collection (the one with the actual fabric clothing, not the all-plastic figure, I still think they look terrible).
The bag head was cool to see again and when Jason put on the goalie mask he was every bit as good as anyone else in the role, and better then some.
My complaint is that we didn’t get to see enough of the makeup Mears talked about.
In one of the early interviews Mears talked about the make-up crew giving Jason a bent spine, a slight hunch back and some disfigurement to his chest.
It would have been great if Jason had lost the jacket during the climactic fight so we could have gotten a look at these things. There were a couple times he could have lost it, the fire in the tunnel or the fight with Clay near the wood chipper.
One final complaint about the end, like Geddy Pert said, why throw the body of the killer in the lake? Complete lack of sense there when there are bodies all over the place and the cops are inevitably going to show up.

Over all I liked the movie. Jason was great, but it really lacked atmosphere and it showed.

DD77

02-14-2009, 06:17 PM

I liked it. One of the best.

Didn't like the first group of people, the weed hunters. I didn't see why Whitney would be a part of that group even with her boyfriend. Seemed out of place/character.The dialog was poor and the jokes were lame.. Sister Christian WTF this had to be a nod for the people old enough to live through the 80's, it was just an ipod song, but still weird. Fake breasts are not good. This nearly ruined the movie for me, but that's a whole other issue... Anyways Jason with the sack was the scariest, and i wish he had kept it on longer. The theater jumped when he first appeared. People complain about the lack of stalking, but i thought there were a couple moments with this first group. I got the feeling he was watching them when they were first getting camp set up, and there might have even been a quick POV shot involved IIRC. Then of course later with the guy and fake tits in the tent. the noises they were hearing were Jason stalking. Anyways just thought i'd point those out.
The audience cheered when title flashed after the weed hunter sequence

Other problems: Some of the dialog was cheesy. Like the hick saying "Better not be no one stealing kerosene up there". or Chuy's hockey stick "completes your outfit". The black guys lame racial jokes . Some jokes worked better. Chuy's jokes about Trent's chair got great laughs.

Other problems: Trent and Clay looked too much alike . They could have been brothers with almost the same haircut and all. just sayin. .I guess the antler death was originally the suffocation that everyone was up in arms with. Trent losing the gun was predictable , although for a minute there i thought he would just end up wasting all his bullets before getting a chance to shoot Jason. Overall Trent should've known more about his surroundings since i assume he grew up there.

This leads to alot of other questions like, why now? His family and others own the place and they visit often, there's no mention of the date. Why does Trent and his group of friends get attacked now? There's no real explanation of why.

The hick in the barn why does he just find weed after all this time. Weed doesn't grow out of nowhere... I feel a prequel coming on. Maybe the uncut DVD will answer some questions.

Great movie with T&A and people getting killed with a few holes in the story. Sounds like classic Friday. Hard to rank this modern telling with the rest so i voted the best just to be different and accepting towards the new age. ;)

Sean [The Wildcard]

02-14-2009, 07:19 PM

Oh my god. I really wanted to like this. I REALLY wanted to...but even as the movie progressed, and even when it was all over...I was beyond disappointed. I already vented my frustrations last night, so I'm going to sum it up as best as I can here.

Tunnels and Bells...:duh:

The deaths were very generic and bland. So much so that all the deaths from the first 4 F13 movies were more entertaining than what they gave us here.

ALL of the acting in this movie was horrid.

The beginning was fucking terrible. Namely the way they summed things up with his mother...and everything after that before the title card hit the screen... just terrible.

I read a few things online where people are saying it's staying true to the original. What film were you watching?!

I really wanted to like "Intelligent Jason." But I couldn't. I prefer my Jason like parts 2-4. Their was a fine balance between Smart and out for revenge in those films. In this, they did a very half assed job giving the reasons why "he came back."

I know alot of people who don't like the film use the whole "Jason: Pot Farmer" thing...but seriously. I know that's not what their intentions were with it...but it kind of came off as that. I know that wasn't the case, but they did a terrible job trying to really tell us why Jason was back at Crystal Lake. Just leave Jason alone with his Pot and his Tunnels.:p

This movie had no atmosphere in parts. It also felt VERY rushed. I wish that there had been alot more of Pamela at the beginning, namely from a better Actress, too. Also, Whitney reminding Jason of his mother could have been done a lot better.

I thought we were going to see a great film, recapturing the feeling of the first 4...so where is all that? The originl 4 movies had this great mood to them, especially with the stalking aspects. In this, there was no tension until the end.

This film had just so many things wrong with it. It felt like a generic New Generation Horror film, but bland as hell.

I know all the young hip kids these days will love it. Drugs Booze, and Tits! Whoop-dee-Fucking-Doo.

I will even say this, to show my utter distain for this film...their were many point where I felt like I was watching a Rob Zombie film...

My Rating: F

SlasherFreak

02-14-2009, 07:23 PM

I like reading everyone here's take on the film. Havent had a F13 in awhile, and its interesting to read our forum members take on the new one, good or bad.

I respectfully disagree Sean...An A+ for me :D

Hypnocil

02-14-2009, 08:33 PM

This leads to alot of other questions like, why now? His family and others own the place and they visit often, there's no mention of the date. Why does Trent and his group of friends get attacked now? There's no real explanation of why.
Sure there is. Jason attacks the place because that's where Jenna and Clay ran to.

The hick in the barn why does he just find weed after all this time. Weed doesn't grow out of nowhere... I feel a prequel coming on. Maybe the uncut DVD will answer some questions.
I assumed it was his since he was trying to sell it to Clay.

Joshg

02-14-2009, 09:00 PM

Sure, 22% of the people rate it number 1 NOW, but I suddenly remember a similar circumstance happening with a previous entry...one involving clashing horror icons anyone?

I had almost forgotten, but when FvJ came out, that made a lot of peoples' top 5 list immediately.
Now where is it? Spots 7-9 usually. Or 8-10 now. I give the film about a year before it starts to slide.

That said, I still quite enjoy this. But like people have pointed out, this could have been a completely different horror film without Jason. And the characters were WAY too stereotypical. Chelsea and Bree look too 'the same'. And at times, even though this was my first watch, I felt 'bored'. BORED, I tells ya. 6/10 is still my mark. The thing that's just really bugging me are the bland death scenes, with the CGI axe kill. Rarg!!! On the bright side, they're colorful kills.

DD77

02-14-2009, 09:44 PM

Sure there is. Jason attacks the place because that's where Jenna and Clay ran to.

I assumed it was his since he was trying to sell it to Clay.He killed the two on the water first.. That's Trent's boat. How did Trent survive all that time?

The hick says he found a shitload of weed out back iirc, which i took to mean fairly recently.:confused:

Violent VictiM

02-14-2009, 10:17 PM

I didn't plan on writing a review, but fuck it like Neil Patrick Harris.

3/5.

It did it for me. It's like when you have sex with an ex-boy/girlfriend. You were tired of it back in the day, but now that it's renewed it's okay again, but still not as great as when you first had it. Does that make sense?

Anyway, the few things I didn't like about the film? The soundtrack to start, but that was a given and I have to live with the fact that the day of Orchestras are done. So all the rock music was basically tolerated. They did have the throwback in the beginning which I liked a lot.

The opening Scene with Mrs. Voorhees was so terrible. It was rushed, the dialogue was terrible and I didn't give two fucks about it. Why was Jason a child? He was supposed to drown in 1959, why was he like a 12 year old? Unless we're led to believe she was killing them the day of, I don't see where they were going with that. So bad.

The opening sequence was marvelous if you ask me. The only thing I hated was the explanation of Jason and why he was back. It seemed so forced I wanted to close my ears forever. I leaned over to my girlfriend and told her the same thing. It literally looked like they were reading the story of of cue cards. Not very good.

The kills were off to me as well. Jason seemed to love to torture in this movie and it had me saying, "Jason wouldn't do that", but biting my tongue as to not sound like Kane. Not that they weren't badass, they just seemed to be tactics Jason wouldn't employ to take out his victims.

"Smart Jason" was alright for me. I liked seeing how he was more of a tactician in this movie as opposed to a retarded mongoloid set out for revenge. The tunnels and bells though? Overkill. The tunnels were a dope idea, but the lighting and intricate bell system just made me want to get up and leave.

The movie was dope though, even if Jason kept Whitney as a hostage. That pissed me off but I guess they needed a female protagonist for the end since they killed off who we thought was the obvious choice to live. They needed a female cause I truly believe that Whitney is the reason Jason didn't get woodchipped-to-death. She was all like, "my Vagina says return him to his true resting place" all Tommy Jarvis like.

The ending sequence to me had to be a hallucination. While the mask is floating to the bottom of the lake, we clearly see that the straps have been cut. However, when he leaps from the water is securely fastened to his head so I'm lead to believe that didn't happen.

I thought the comedy was good. Better than most movies and very tasteful. The racist jokes were pretty funny, and except for the hockey stick joke they all got a laugh out of me. The characters were easy to care for and I really, really wanted Trent to die. When he did I cheered.

I hope they don't rush a sequel, with the Nightmare remake being on the slate I'm sure we won't get one till 2011 the earliest. It was better than Zombieween, and should I view as if The New Beginning didn't happen, and everything after it it's a good movie.

French Friday

02-14-2009, 10:44 PM

Just come back from F13 2009 and here is my review :

AN AWESOME SEQUEL TO TNB !

After 4 "what if...?" (what if Jason went to Manhattan ? what if Jason's body exploded ? what if Jason went to space ? what if Jason fought Freddy ?) the regular series is now back on tracks with the long-awaited first episode of season 2, around 20 years after the end of season 1.

After a Paramount logo with the kikiki mamama sound, a montage-flashback more "extended" than "retconned" of the end of Part 1, the movie gets its long prologue ala Part 2, its campfire scene, its title card (without any animation, a very little minus), the introduction of very enjoyable characters ala 1/2/3/4 (with a new fabulous Ted and Jimbo duet), a brother searching for his missing sister (an interesting storyline which leads the movie) and our good old Crystal Lake, 20 years later. After 29 years of massacre, now our CL residents know the place really gets a death curse and they - including the old lady and the cop - completely abandoned the idea of stopping Jason. He's out there. It's his territory. They just want to stop people from entering into it. Their only power at Crystal Lake. And while the brother investigates, the teens have a party and are killed one by one by many innovative kills (with many various weapons) until the brother and the lead girl are back to find corpses and Jason. The final chase scene begins. Jason is tough to fight. Jason is hurt. Jason always comes back. Jason is Jason. Jason is killed as always. And a final surprise finishes the movie before the ending credits, ready for a sequel.

That, my friends, is a true Friday the 13th.

The spirit of F13 was everywhere, just updated to 2009. It was very funny, full of sex and drugs. They didn't lie on that. It was dark, brutal, scary and creepy. They didn't lie on that.

Jason was marvelous. Jason was iconic. Jason wasn't that much in the movie in the first half. Mears equals Brooker and White. The mine tunnels were a nice addition which retroactively explain the TNB "teleportations". They took the one and only great iconic image from JX and put it (way better) in that movie, at the end.

My expectations for that movie were the highest possible, and I wasn't disappointed at all. The best Friday ever made along with 2-3-4 (not better, not worse).

(that review has yet to be confirmed by the DVD)

And now my new continuity and timeline :

Friday the 13th, June, 1980 - Part 1 (the tombstone in TFC is now the only continuity error of the series, there has to be one, but for this one, I already have an explanation, just need to work on it a little)

week of Friday the 13th, September, 1985 - Parts 2/3/4 (the counselor training camp results from a bad summer with many errors made by the counselors all over the state, and Paul decided to make some fixing right after the summer season's ending, to be sure the next one will be without any problems - yeah, not the best explanation yet, I just started one hour ago ^^)

Friday the 13th, May, 1988 - ANB (like in my previous timeline, Tommy is 15 in this one)

Friday the 13th, July, 1990 - JL (Tommy is 17 "Dawson's Creek and Beverly Hills"-like, mid-July to open a camp is a good date, it's not a very famous camp afterall, so not enough children to keep it open the whole summer since May or June !)

Friday the 13th, October, 1995 - TNB prologue (Tina is 8 there in the french version when she talks about her past)

sometime in 2003 - TNB (Tina is 16 that way. If the age of Tina in the prologue isn't mentioned in the english version, we could say she's 11 or 12 and go back to a TNB in 2000 or 1999 which would fit better)

Friday the 13th, March, 2009 - F13 (2009) (a character has a f**k Christmas t-shirt, allowing us to think christmas was not too far behind, even if the weather seems hot, spring ahead, - but see Al Gore to explain that ^^)

The old lady's speech (new Crazy Ralph) is a reference to all the massacres from 2-7. 6 or 9 years have passed since TNB.

Jason lost his hockey mask at the end of TNB so needed a new cover for his head (hence the "mummy head" of the beginning) and then again, when he lost it, he finds a new hockey mask, which remembers him his old one, his favorite mask, so he put it back in a very nostalgic scene for Jason and for us .

As I always said these past 10 years, there's a curse on Friday the 13th : no matter what they want to do, no matter what they do, they can't destroy the continuity of the series and the story of our old Jason Voorhees.

Until the next sequel. Maybe. Maybe not. Time will tell.

Now I need to watch the 1-7 (vol.1) and 1 (vol.2) on DVD one right after the other, to check if the new sequel is truely good and if the storyline truely works fine.

Great movie. Great night.
ADDED:
He killed the two on the water first.. That's Trent's boat. How did Trent survive all that time?

How did the Jarvis survive from 1980 to 1985 ?

Maybe Trent was too much stupid for Jason to take care of him...

Jason3000

02-14-2009, 11:33 PM

I'm sorry i have a hard time believing Jason is 60 years old in this movie so we can act like it's a sequel. It certainly is not. Come up with something better.

Penhall

02-14-2009, 11:41 PM

DedKid

02-14-2009, 11:59 PM

My complaints are very few, it didn't disappoint me, that's for sure. I think everything they did, they did right. It was a straight-forward "Kids partying in the woods, Jason wastes kids" romp like we haven't seen since Part 4. There could have been more to it though.

The "ki ki ki..." theme was noticeable largely by it's absence (I only heard it at three or four points throughout), and there wasn't enough build-up before the kills. It was just "boom, dead". The series has always had a nice mix of the quick, unexpected kills, and more drawn out stalk-and-chase kills, and this REALLY could have benefited from having more of the latter. It had a lot of nice jumps, a few of which caught me by surprise, but on a whole, the kills just happened too fast.

I think it would've been cool to see a bit more of the town itself, or at least some of the locals just to reinforce the backstory for the uninitiated. Like eX said, there were certain things that hardcore fans could easily catch, the whole homage to Ginny mainly, that new & casual fans just won't pick up on.

Overall, I can't hesitate to give it a solid "A" for being a fun movie & getting Jason back to the basics of what made him such a classic character to begin with. And I'm really looking forward to seeing what all was cut from it once the DVD hits.

DD77

02-15-2009, 12:04 AM

ADDED:

How did the Jarvis survive from 1980 to 1985 ?

Maybe Trent was too much stupid for Jason to take care of him...Nothing says they did..I don't believe in timelines for the Saga. Too many questions to fill in the gaps. Like Jason would be like what 15 to 18yrs old in parts 2-4 according to 09's little Jason finding the locket? I don't buy it.. Is there anything that says the Jarvis were there before the events of TFC?, if so for how long? That's not the main C-Lake area anyways, right? It would be harder to wander into forbidden zones. This story makes it seem like the Trent family is hunting and boating right next door to Jason.:confused:

Rick

02-15-2009, 12:14 AM

I think the scenes of Pamela's demise would have worked better if spliced in with the campfire tale told by the guy in the first group, the guy with the GPS?

DistantJ

02-15-2009, 12:18 AM

Nice idea, Rick. :) It was kinda cool though, having both a prelude in the opening credits and a prologue before the title.

Also I like the idea of it opening with something horrible which happened years ago, traditional slasher style.

Hypnocil

02-15-2009, 12:56 AM

He killed the two on the water first.. That's Trent's boat. How did Trent survive all that time?

Because it was Friday the 13th...and his luck ran out? ( :p )

DD77

02-15-2009, 01:19 AM

Because it was Friday the 13th...and his luck ran out? ( :p )Yeah if you look closely you can see Jason's 2009 calendar in the tunnels with " B-day party" written in the Friday the 13th block for a schedule reminder. :)

Speck

02-15-2009, 02:20 AM

I voted 9th best. The original 8 from Paramount are superior in my opinion.

makaveddie81

02-15-2009, 06:00 AM

Couldn't disagree with you more. I think you put a bit too high expectations on this, You were expecting it to be the best in the sereis?

Apparently some people have rated it as the best in the series, so I wasn't the only one with such "lofty" expectations.

I think your comparisons to other movies is silly too. It's the twelfth movie in the series. it is going to have similarities. It is following a formula.

The similarities I pointed out are more than just "following a formula", they're downright carbon copies of things that happened in FVJ.

You seemed to have two sets of complaints. Complaints that said ____________ was too similar to past films and complaints that ___________ was too different.

I said the film was too similar to FVJ, which is one of the worst in the series IMO. The tunnels, lights and bells have no place in this series and were laughable, at best.

Your expectations were WAY too high. I hope the movie grows on you because it was a pretty good one.

I actually think repeat viewings will make me hate the film even more, as my first and only viewing was enhanced by the adrenaline rush of seeing Jason back on the silver screen.
ADDED:
;306633']Oh my god. I really wanted to like this. I REALLY wanted to...but even as the movie progressed, and even when it was all over...I was beyond disappointed. I already vented my frustrations last night, so I'm going to sum it up as best as I can here.

Tunnels and Bells...:duh:

The deaths were very generic and bland. So much so that all the deaths from the first 4 F13 movies were more entertaining than what they gave us here.

ALL of the acting in this movie was horrid.

The beginning was fucking terrible. Namely the way they summed things up with his mother...and everything after that before the title card hit the screen... just terrible.

I read a few things online where people are saying it's staying true to the original. What film were you watching?!

I really wanted to like "Intelligent Jason." But I couldn't. I prefer my Jason like parts 2-4. Their was a fine balance between Smart and out for revenge in those films. In this, they did a very half assed job giving the reasons why "he came back."

I know alot of people who don't like the film use the whole "Jason: Pot Farmer" thing...but seriously. I know that's not what their intentions were with it...but it kind of came off as that. I know that wasn't the case, but they did a terrible job trying to really tell us why Jason was back at Crystal Lake. Just leave Jason alone with his Pot and his Tunnels.:p

This movie had no atmosphere in parts. It also felt VERY rushed. I wish that there had been alot more of Pamela at the beginning, namely from a better Actress, too. Also, Whitney reminding Jason of his mother could have been done a lot better.

I thought we were going to see a great film, recapturing the feeling of the first 4...so where is all that? The originl 4 movies had this great mood to them, especially with the stalking aspects. In this, there was no tension until the end.

This film had just so many things wrong with it. It felt like a generic New Generation Horror film, but bland as hell.

I know all the young hip kids these days will love it. Drugs Booze, and Tits! Whoop-dee-Fucking-Doo.

I will even say this, to show my utter distain for this film...their were many point where I felt like I was watching a Rob Zombie film...

My Rating: F

Couldn't agree with you more. It's going to be interesting to see people who are ranking it as the best in the series change their 3 years from now.
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Not really with you on this point. I loved the underground tunnels in principle. I thought it was an effective means of toning down the superhuman absurdity that Jason had been imbued with via later installments whilst maintaining his status as essentially inescapable, as opposed to not even bothering to explain how he manages to catch up to his rapidly fleeing victims in a matter of mere seconds (seriously, the 'he just does it, ok?' principle is really hard to digest sometimes). However, I agree that whatever complexity and efficiency these underground tunnels posses really isn't expressed very well in the film, as from what we see, it doesn't really demonstrate how he gets around Crystal Lake.

Jason's familiarity with the woods - hes been living there since he was 11 years old - is a more logical way to explain how he catches up to his victims.

By the way, what do you have against the lights? I think it's perfectly consistent with the more humanlike Jason from parts one through four, in which whatever human qualities he retains have some ominous, eerie twist to them.

I would have never thought Jason was capable of setting up a complex lighting system and run power to it. Sure, he made simple traps out of rope and other materials in parts 1 - 4 but a full fledged lighting system? really?

Paradox Lost

02-15-2009, 06:11 AM

Jason's familiarity with the woods - hes been living there since he was 11 years old - is a more logical way to explain how he catches up to his victims.

Although there is certainly something to be said for his familiarity with the area (this is his lair, after all), I really don't find this as being a sufficient explanation for the numerous moments of absurdity in which Jason covers so much ground so incredibly fast.

I consider myself extremely familiar with the area in which I grew up in, but if someone manages to get a significant head start on me, and I'm stomping my way in pursuit, they're gone whether I grew up there or not. I think the 'environmental familiarity' approach works to account for number of instances in which Jason out-pursuits his victims, but there are far too many cases in which it simply doesn't make sense as an explanation.

Perhaps if they depicted Jason at some point as possessing some sort of superhuman speed, but really, if he's not shown as Hodder-trodding his way through the woods, he's Brooker-jogging instead.

I would have never thought Jason was capable of setting up a complex lighting system and run power to it. Sure, he made simple traps out of rope and other materials in parts 1 - 4 but a full fledged lighting system? really?

I think I can go along with this, but the guy was never shown to be technically braindead. He knew that the standing water part III would be sufficient to electrocute Chuck, so he has some knowledge on this matter. But it really comes down to notions of Jason's capabilities, and there really are few definitive categories of what he can and can't do that have been made apparent.

SlasherFreak

02-15-2009, 06:14 AM

I wouldnt say its the best in the series. right now for me its:

4
2
1
3
remake
6
5
7
x
8
jgh
fvj

Now I have a feeling Im going to watch 6 in the near future and reconsider my opinion and place the remake a notch down...but this remake EASILY shits on 7,8,jgh,fvj and jx. 5 isnt really bad, just not my cup of tea, and as cliche as it sounds, the killer not being jason bothered me. But again, the remake easily shits on the ones I mention above. All those movies sucked to me when I first saw them, they werent opinions formed over years, and i saw some of them when I was an impressionable young kid. Im grown now, it was dope on Thursday night when I saw it, it'll be dope tomorrow, and probably more dope when it hits dvd.

El Rooto

02-15-2009, 06:14 AM

I always thought things like Jason frying Chuck and Wayne were more luck than sense.

Paradox Lost

02-15-2009, 06:19 AM

I always thought things like Jason frying Chuck and Wayne were more luck than sense.

heh, I dunno, but there seemed to be some deliberateness with Chuck's electrocution; who's to say, though.

I was about to mention that in part 5, he knew how to light a flair in order to torch Vinnie's friend, but I suppose that doesn't count as anything 'Jason' has done...

SaturdayThe14th

02-15-2009, 06:19 AM

I would rank it in my top 5 for sure. My top 5 being 1-4 and now F132009. I picked 4th in the poll. I'm thinkin I would maybe put it slightly ahead of 3 and 4 but not 1 or 2. I need to see it a few more times before making that decision final.

James M

02-15-2009, 06:24 AM

Hmm...I'm surprised how many people think it's the best. Really, better than 1-4? If you say so. I liked it, but jeez.

SlasherFreak

02-15-2009, 06:26 AM

yeah i think saying its the best is a little jumping the gun...but I can see arguments that its better than anything after 4. 1-4 is gonna be hard to top and i doubt they'll ever be topped.

SaturdayThe14th

02-15-2009, 06:46 AM

yeah i think saying its the best is a little jumping the gun...but I can see arguments that its better than anything after 4. 1-4 is gonna be hard to top and i doubt they'll ever be topped.

No doubt. I would debate that it is equal to or maybe slightly better than 3 maybe even 4 but definitly not 1 or 2. 6 was good but too comical at points. 5,7-FvJ had some good moments but the good moments were lost amongst ridiculous plots so for that reason I would easily rate it above 5-FvJ. If you compare it to the first 4 I'd say its more true to the story than any other movie past 6.

makaveddie81

02-15-2009, 06:49 AM

Hmm...I'm surprised how many people think it's the best. Really, better than 1-4? If you say so. I liked it, but jeez.

Those opinions will die down with repeat viewings and once disregard the novelty of seeing Jason back on the big screen. It's happened before. I think its average rank will be 6th behind 4,2,3,1, and 6.
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No doubt. I would debate that it is equal to or maybe slightly better than 3 maybe even 4 but definitly not 1 or 2.

Not better than TFC. No way in hell.

6 was good but too comical at points.

And this one wasn't? What film were you watching? This one was easily twice as comical than part 6.

If you compare it to the first 4 I'd say its more true to the story than any other movie past 6.

I think its more of a parody of parts 1 -4.

SaturdayThe14th

02-15-2009, 06:53 AM

I agree that the humor in this one was a little too much, like when Chewie ask him if he's looking for this hockey stick. But I did genuinly laugh at some points. Don't get me wrong I'm a fan of Part 6 but the attempts at humor in that movie aren't all that funny to me. Maybe the jokes are just outdated.

Just Jeans

02-15-2009, 06:57 AM

Hmm...I'm surprised how many people think it's the best. Really, better than 1-4? If you say so. I liked it, but jeez.

Surely it isn't that difficult to believe. Taste in films is purely subjective, after all. You can't account for tastes*.

Anyway, I ranked it seventh best, but that's because I wanted to find some kind of middle ground. I'd need to see it a couple of more times and really think about it before I ranked it properly, but it's definitely my favorite film in the franchise following Jason Lives (but is probably just below Freddy vs Jason).

*I, for example, consider Part V the best film in the franchise.

DedKid

02-15-2009, 06:59 AM

In regards to the floodlights, first off, I took that as a tip of the hat to the scene just before Brenda was killed in the original, and second, if you want to consider the events of the original went down prior to this (or at least a variation on those events), then those lights would've still been up at the old campground & to say he doesn't know how to flip a switch to the "on" position just isn't giving him enough credit.....

The more I've thought about it, the more I think that this was the 80's slasher homage that Hatchet wanted to be.

Just Jeans

02-15-2009, 07:01 AM

I agree that the humor in this one was a little too much, like when Chewie ask him if he's looking for this hockey stick.

While it didn't strike me as particularly funny, it did strike me as the sort of thing someone who is quite high would say.

Actually, what made me laugh about that moment was a callback made by someone a couple of seats down from me. When Chewie asked if Jason was looking for the hockey stick, the guy a few seats down said, "Guys, it's okay! He just wanted his machete back!"

SaturdayThe14th

02-15-2009, 07:03 AM

Granted its gonna be hard to ever top the first 4 in some peoples eyes but most people tend to agree that its better than everything past 4 with the occasional exception of part 6. So it's better than at least half of the other Friday the 13th movies. And considering what they are working with I the they made a respectable slasher movie.How good can a Friday the 13th movie really be? In some of our eyes it can be the best thing ever, but for most its just the same old same old. The point is to not take it too seriously and just enjoy for what it is. How far can they push the story of a psychotic hermit that doesn't talk and suffers from some form of facial deformity and possible mental disabilities? If it starred Tom Hanks as Jason we might have something here but I don't think he fits the bill.

makaveddie81

02-15-2009, 07:04 AM

A laugh-track could easily be added to this and it would have worked more effectively than it did when the same was done to Part 3.

Just Jeans

02-15-2009, 07:04 AM

Not better than TFC. No way in hell.

Do you reckon that's a fact or an opinion?

Sometimes, it's hard to tell.

SaturdayThe14th

02-15-2009, 07:08 AM

While it didn't strike me as particularly funny, it did strike me as the sort of thing someone who is quite high would say.

Actually, what made me laugh about that moment was a callback made by someone a couple of seats down from me. When Chewie asked if Jason was looking for the hockey stick, the guy a few seats down said, "Guys, it's okay! He just wanted his machete back!"

I've been high plenty of times. Really high. Lots of times. I'm positive that no amount of weed in the world would get me baked enough to crack a joke like that to a psychotic maniac after he sneaks up on me and backs me up against a wall.
Although I did find it funny it sort of killed the tension thus making the death scene less effective. Maybe they made his death a little more prolonged and bloody to counter the humor.

makaveddie81

02-15-2009, 07:08 AM

SaturdayThe14th

02-15-2009, 07:10 AM

If you take Jason out of this movie and replace him with Kal Penn we would have Harold & Kumar Go To Crystal Lake.
That being said I still enjoyed it.

makaveddie81

02-15-2009, 07:10 AM

I've been high plenty of times. Really high. Lots of times. I'm positive that no amount of weed in the world would get me baked enough to crack a joke like that to a psychotic maniac after he sneaks up on me and backs me up against a wall.
Although I did find it funny it sort of killed the tension thus making the death scene less effective. Maybe they made his death a little more prolonged and bloody to counter the humor.

Adding comedy to a kill was a BIG no no in my book.

SaturdayThe14th

02-15-2009, 07:14 AM

This is the thing, making a film that tops parts 1 - 4 is not a hard task at all, given that those are not perfect by any means. Being better than half of the Friday films is no accomplishment at all since it would exceed "vaunted" entries such as 7, 8, JGTH, FVJ and JX.

Well according to you nothing can top TFC.
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Adding comedy to a kill was a BIG no no in my book.

That's what I'm sayin, playa!!!
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I agree with most of the negative feedback this movie is getting but still enjoyed very much.

SlasherFreak

02-15-2009, 07:15 AM

A quick side note. When I was watching this, after the trailers, when the reel was switched to the film reel, there was something that sounded like a HUGE fart and had the theater cracking up. Kinda set the tone as the crowd was interactive but respected the film

Geddy Peart

02-15-2009, 07:18 AM

I agree with most of the negative feedback this movie is getting but still enjoyed very much.

I certainly thought Mears was awesome.

makaveddie81

02-15-2009, 07:21 AM

Well according to you nothing can top TFC.

I never said nothing could top TFC. If you read my review, I actually expected this film to top all of them when it was barely announced.

That's what I'm sayin, playa!!!

Gotcha. I was just agreeing with your assesment as I couldnt have put it any better myself. My friend said the same exact thing you posted. No amount of weed is going to make you crack a joke to a psychotic maniac who just violently pushed you into a wall.

SaturdayThe14th

02-15-2009, 07:25 AM

You're you didn't say that, i thought you did when I posted then when I was lookin back on it I saw what you meant.
Well all in all we agree on some and disagree on some. Maybe I am a little over hyped right now becasue this one is fresh and new but I still say it ranks higher than all except 1-4. maybe higher than 3. So I would rank it as 4th best at the highest.
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That is of course only my opinion.

DedKid

02-15-2009, 08:17 AM

Sketch Sanchez

02-15-2009, 08:46 AM

The plot is certainly firmly lodged in the 3/4 territory - Kids partying at the lake, plus one with an agenda/history run afoul of Jason & get annihilated. As basic as it is, I think that was exactly what made it effective & it didn't need any of the twists or gimmicks that were applied to every film after Part 4. The story doesn't venture far from the formula that seems so highly regarded by most, and that's a fact, not an opinion. It's the execution of said story that I'm noticing people are having a problem with, even if it hasn't been put in those specific terms. You know that thug saying, "don't hate the playa, hate the game"? It's the reverse here, because everyone loved the game in 1983/1984.

I gotta agree.

I'm finding it real funny reading some of the "problems" people have with this flick, stuff that applies just as easily to the original movies--a case of assigning attributes to this series that were never there if I've ever seen one.

This movie is no better or worse, especially when it comes to story, acting, and characters than any other film in the series. It's a Friday the 13th film, this is as good as it's gonna get folks--sure it doesnt compare to the "good" ones (the first 4) but those were made during a special time that can't be recreated. It's called the golden age of slashers for a reason, so I dont hold that against it-but i cant rank it above them either for that reason. And I cant put it above my nostalgia fave either (6) so this rests in the middle as far as my personal ranking goes.

I dont know what else people want out of these movies (besides stuff that was never there in the first place), I mean-to get an old school Friday film in this day? Thats cool in an of itself to this fan. And to hear people in the theater actually be scared by Jasons mere appearence? Priceless, and well worth the price of admission.

The Dream Master

02-15-2009, 08:58 AM

I'm finding it real funny reading some of the "problems" people have with this flick, stuff that applies just as easily to the original movies--a case of assigning attributes to this series that were never there if I've ever seen one.

Co-signed, especially when it comes to all the shit that's always been there: drinking, drugs, and sex. I watched TFC when I got home last night, and, for shits and giggles, compared it to what I saw in the remake and came up with this:

I think there was one more pair of breasts in the remake, maybe one more character that was high, and one more sex scene. As for the humor, TFC might as well be Porky's meets Jason, so I thought the remake was spot-on there, too. The hick dude approaching the mannequin reminded me a lot of Teddy and the stag flick, actually.

Sketch Sanchez

02-15-2009, 09:12 AM

You're wrong dude, apparently theres way to much sex and drugs in this movie bro-they need to tone it down--and story and acting have been important parts of the franchise! In 2009, its full of cliches and stereotypes, back in 80's theres no such thing-those characters were real. :rolleyes:

The Dream Master

02-15-2009, 09:15 AM

Yeah, and the thing is, I found myself genuinely laughing at some of the shit that was said on-screen, which is something I can't say for some the humor in the earlier films (Ted and Jimbo excluded). :X

Sketch Sanchez

02-15-2009, 09:17 AM

And seriously, i havent heard an audience jump and be scared of Jason since...well, never really. My first was part 6 and the wheels had long been off that particular track by then.

The Dream Master

02-15-2009, 09:40 AM

And for anyone that's surprised about the humor, I'd like to submit this for consideration and remind everyone that TFC provided this little nugget:

OKWu23a6mYo

DedKid

02-15-2009, 09:48 AM

Thanks Sketch, do something new (telekinetic chick, cruise ship/Manhattan, body hopping, deep space, battling another horror icon) and you've got enough complaints about how it's too different from the older films to give you the mother of all migraines. Now, we have a film in the same exact vein as the early entries (no real plot to speak of beyond Clay looking for his sister, just a basic display of sex, drugs, & violence) & just because Jason's operating out of an abandoned mine shaft & knows how to turn on floodlights, it's tragically flawed? Have we become that jaded? This is as old school as it's going to get without actually being 1 - 4. Is it the best entry the series has to offer? Fuck no. It is, however, a well done, no-frills, gimmick free romp through the woods like we haven't seen since 1986.

Sketch Sanchez

02-15-2009, 10:13 AM

DedKid

02-15-2009, 10:39 AM

The problem is that its new. New=Bad. In 2009, producers only care about cliches and making money, but back in the 80's there were obviously a different breed of producer who didnt care about any of this stuff and made good movies with characters people cared about for Jason to kill off. Silly us.

Yeah, the banana-squishing hitchiker in 4 getting killed = Total fucking heartbreak. What a sad end to someone who so thoughtfully scrawled "Fuck You" on the back of the sign she was carrying. If she didn't die, Rob Zombie could've cast her in H2 :(

Sketch Sanchez

02-15-2009, 10:44 AM

I'll have none of that talk, you Dunes Appologist you!

jasonlives13

02-15-2009, 10:46 AM

;306633']Oh my god. I really wanted to like this. I REALLY wanted to...but even as the movie progressed, and even when it was all over...I was beyond disappointed. I already vented my frustrations last night, so I'm going to sum it up as best as I can here.

Tunnels and Bells...:duh:

The deaths were very generic and bland. So much so that all the deaths from the first 4 F13 movies were more entertaining than what they gave us here.

ALL of the acting in this movie was horrid.

The beginning was fucking terrible. Namely the way they summed things up with his mother...and everything after that before the title card hit the screen... just terrible.

I read a few things online where people are saying it's staying true to the original. What film were you watching?!

I really wanted to like "Intelligent Jason." But I couldn't. I prefer my Jason like parts 2-4. Their was a fine balance between Smart and out for revenge in those films. In this, they did a very half assed job giving the reasons why "he came back."

I know alot of people who don't like the film use the whole "Jason: Pot Farmer" thing...but seriously. I know that's not what their intentions were with it...but it kind of came off as that. I know that wasn't the case, but they did a terrible job trying to really tell us why Jason was back at Crystal Lake. Just leave Jason alone with his Pot and his Tunnels.:p

This movie had no atmosphere in parts. It also felt VERY rushed. I wish that there had been alot more of Pamela at the beginning, namely from a better Actress, too. Also, Whitney reminding Jason of his mother could have been done a lot better.

I thought we were going to see a great film, recapturing the feeling of the first 4...so where is all that? The originl 4 movies had this great mood to them, especially with the stalking aspects. In this, there was no tension until the end.

This film had just so many things wrong with it. It felt like a generic New Generation Horror film, but bland as hell.

I know all the young hip kids these days will love it. Drugs Booze, and Tits! Whoop-dee-Fucking-Doo.

I will even say this, to show my utter distain for this film...their were many point where I felt like I was watching a Rob Zombie film...

My Rating: F

I think your being more then a little harsh, an F come on most people would give it a D at worse, The deaths were for me more realistic and very real, I don't want jason killing someone with liquid nitrogeon because it looks cool, I want it to be harsh. Just look at the girl in the sleeping bag who's being burnt thats a creative kill.

Why do people point out the acting was shit, its not meant to be an oscar winning film, and most people liked the start, with the opening credits not being shown till about 20 minutes into the film.

And it is staying true to the original, jason isnt superhuman, he's hunting people, and setting traps, whilst using people as bait, now thats jason being intelligent, so if thats not I would really like to know what is?

The movie had no atmosphere or tension? is that why most of the cinema jumped at the right times, sometimes silence builds to a better crescendo, the girl next to me jumped at nearly everything and she had to cuddle into her man for the whole film, so I think there was "some" atmosphere and tension in the movie.

Jason being a pot farmer? I just find your those ones that picking at the movie, they so happen to grow on Jason's turf and like the old lady said he just wants to be left alone, I don't see what the big fuss is. Also the bells in the tunnel is another good way for jason to hunt people, the tunnels will place him at different parts of crystal lake, so he can be ready for them, this proves Jason is intelligent again!!!

When you call us hip kids im assuming your over 40? your remind me of the original Star Trek fans, from the 60's when the next generation came along they were like "nothing can touch the original series, its disgraceful" etc etc, and The next generation far surpassed it, though im not saying this film will surpass the original, but sometimes you've got to realise it can and sometimes happen.

Nothing whatsoever like a Rob Zombie film, nothing in the slightest, it was filmed and cut entirely different.

But in the end thats your opinion, I just didnt agree with what you had to say on the subject, I think your just bashing it because your "Old" School, I notice you don't have your age on profile? Are you that old, that you cling to the original?

French Friday

02-15-2009, 01:31 PM

I'm sorry i have a hard time believing Jason is 60 years old in this movie so we can act like it's a sequel. It certainly is not. Come up with something better.

He drown at 11. Died 4 or 5 times as a "child prisoner inside a man's body". Regenerated with lightning and TIME. Jason is a tough guy for sure. :angel:
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Nothing says they did..I don't believe in timelines for the Saga. Too many questions to fill in the gaps. Like Jason would be like what 15 to 18yrs old in parts 2-4 according to 09's little Jason finding the locket? I don't buy it.. Is there anything that says the Jarvis were there before the events of TFC?, if so for how long? That's not the main C-Lake area anyways, right? It would be harder to wander into forbidden zones. This story makes it seem like the Trent family is hunting and boating right next door to Jason.:confused:

If I remember well, Trent's house is on the other side of the lake as well. When Trent tells Nolan where the boat is, it seems the road is long (they need the GPS to find it) and Clay says to Jenna he hasn't search yet the other side of the lake. So Trent's house is, like the Jarvis's house, on the other side of the lake, not directly in Jason's territory, so a safe place until one of Jason's prey goes there.

Also, since Part 2, Jason is a "child prisoner inside a man's body". As with his drowning, it's not something where more explanations are needed, at least for me. So during 2-4, he's not 15 or 18, he's simply an adult.

(FF always working on his new timeline and continuity)
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Hmm...I'm surprised how many people think it's the best. Really, better than 1-4? If you say so. I liked it, but jeez.

There's not the choice "equals to 1-4, not better, not worse", and I couldn't say it was the fifth or the fourth or the third or the second, so I simply choose "the best" since I just saw it one hour ago and went to heaven.
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Apparently some people have rated it as the best in the series, so I wasn't the only one with such "lofty" expectations.

The difference being my expectations were fullfilled.

The similarities I pointed out are more than just "following a formula", they're downright carbon copies of things that happened in FVJ.

I said the film was too similar to FVJ, which is one of the worst in the series IMO. The tunnels, lights and bells have no place in this series and were laughable, at best.

I actually think repeat viewings will make me hate the film even more, as my first and only viewing was enhanced by the adrenaline rush of seeing Jason back on the silver screen.
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Couldn't agree with you more. It's going to be interesting to see people who are ranking it as the best in the series change their 3 years from now.
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If I compare my first watching of FvJ and my first watching of this one, I was during F13 2009 during 90 min at the same state of pleasure I was during the bed death scene in FvJ and only that scene. I really loved FvJ for the event, it was way better than Jason X too, but there was already many scenes where I wasn't "high" (the party in the cornfield, very disappointing even the first time).

So 3 years from now, I don't know exactly what I'll think about this one but now it's the day after and I always haven't remembered one thing I hate or disappointing in that movie.

Wait and see.

Jason's familiarity with the woods - hes been living there since he was 11 years old - is a more logical way to explain how he catches up to his victims.

I would have never thought Jason was capable of setting up a complex lighting system and run power to it. Sure, he made simple traps out of rope and other materials in parts 1 - 4 but a full fledged lighting system? really?

You see, the parts you already hate are parts I already love. Jason didn't set up a complex lightning system, it was already a mine; so it already existed before Jason. He just adds some stuff here or there like the bells and ropes, traps, everything a hunter can do and knows how to do, but he's surely not an electrician.
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And this one wasn't? What film were you watching? This one was easily twice as comical than part 6.

I think its more of a parody of parts 1 -4.

Well, this one is easily darker than 6 whenever Jason comes on screen. The characters were better than in 5 and 7. The humor equals TFC and Part 3, the difference being it's no more the 80s but the 2000s so there's more sexual jokes than in the past. The humor comes from the teens acting like teens who have a party in the woods without any parents around there and whenever it comes to death scenes, the scare or creepy factor is back.

The hockey joke made me laugh as much as the hockey joke in JTM.

As for the nudity and sex scenes, it's maybe the first time in Friday the 13th that the nudity isn't that gratuitous, with for example the scene in the prologue where the girl removes her shirt and her boyfriend "speaks" to her with his face and hands while the GPS guy made his speech : that was very funny and a very smart sitcom scene. The other dialogues while the nudity and sex happen were also always very funny AND realistic (contrary to many of the awful dialogues in Jason X).

To finish for today, I have to say F13 2009 works way better as a sequel to TNB than as a first episode of a new series. The beheading flashback is like a "previously on Friday the 13th" and as in all "previously on" they just show a sum up of what happened, what is useful, and not everything. So for a "previously on", it's a great flashback. But for a "first time story", it's too short and doesn't build enough tension till the beheading. The same for the mask. If you think it's the first time he finds an hockey mask, that's "why this mask ?" in your mind. But if it's a "family reunion" between Jason and the hockey mask, that's a great scene. The same for the old lady and the cop : their ways of treating the CL's curse is definitely coherent with all what happened in 1-7. If there has been nothing before this movie (at least for the watcher), it's less understandable.

Another possibility is to treat F13 2009 like Gojira 84. A direct sequel to original movie of the franchise, hence a "previously on" that works well.

But I prefer it as a sequel to TNB.

My main complaint concerning this movie is the "June 13, 1980" at the beginning. "June 13, 1979" would have been better...... even if now, the Jason adventures happens on our reality, with our real calendar... and that's better. :)

SlasherFreak

02-15-2009, 01:59 PM

Yeah I dont get the extra harsh reviews...this was basically a clone of any of the first 4 films, take your pick.

Fancy Corkscrew

02-15-2009, 02:43 PM

I will be 27 in a month and I have been watching these movies since I was 4 so I feel confident in saying that I am an old school fan of the series. That being said, I loved the hell out of this new one. I seriously can't understand some of the negative responses I have been reading. This thing totally draws from the first four films perfectly while at the same time updating it and adding some surprises. Sure it shows Jason doing things we have never seen before but why is that a bad thing? We have all seen him do the same fucking thing for nearly 30 years. We have those old movies and nothing can take that away so why not add some new dimensions to him?

I Keep hearing people talk about how this is NOT Jason....why? Mears seemed to draw from some of the best elements of Kane's Jason and mixed it with a whole bunch of Ted White's(my personal favorite) to give what I feel was a perfect blend of Jason eras. Yes, so he kidnaps a girl instead of killing her, big deal he did something similar to Chris in part 3 and the fact that she reminds him of his mother is an obvious nod to Ginny from part 2. The plot itself is very much in keeping with part 4 with Clay being like Rob and the kids partying in the cabin. So it basically does mash up the first four films into one and since those are my favorites I was happy to see that.

At the end of the day these film makers are not here to pay fan service, they are out to bring the name Friday the 13th to a new generation. And with that comes updates and changes there is no way around it. But the fact that they stayed as true as they did to the original films is pretty amazing and I had an absolute blast. I mean it felt like the first proper Jason flick in a long time. No gimmicks and no tongue in cheek nonsense. And for that I give it mad props. Oh and being in a packed theater and hearing girls scream every time Jason shows up is something I never thought I would see again.

simonthekillerewok

02-15-2009, 02:51 PM

Rick

02-15-2009, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by Fancy Corkscrew
At the end of the day these film makers are not here to pay fan service, they are out to bring the name Friday the 13th to a new generation. And with that comes updates and changes there is no way around it.
Well said.
I think too many long time fans either forget or just never stop to think about this.
We grew up watching the series from the 80, the 80's teens, when slashers were up and coming and then in their hay day, were the target audience.
That generation isn't the target audience for this new movie.
It's a whole new generation of people that this movie is marketed to and a whole new generation that is going to be this films (and hopefully series) bread and butter.

Rich

02-15-2009, 04:13 PM

The problem is that its new. New=Bad

That is the way a lot of people's mindsets are.

The only thing I can think of that I did not care for in the new film was Mrs. Voorhees' portrayal. She was too calm, collected, and rational. She should have gone with the "kill her mommy" bit that Betsy Palmer did in the original instead of being so rational and handling of what she was doing. They should have went with the complete psychotic Mrs. Voorhees of the original. That was scarier. Other then that, the film was perfect. It was scary, suspensful, exciting, and disgusting. It was everything a Friday the 13th was meant to be.

NW77

02-15-2009, 06:21 PM

I'm glad to say I enjoy the shit out of this film. It has some good scare jump with how few folks near me were jumping out of the seats & what not. Even the humor weren't too bad & not quite over the top. And here is my ranks on all F13th films so far from best (top of the list) to the worst.

1.) Part 2

2.) The Final Chapter

3.) Part 1

4.) F13th 2009

5.) Jason Lives

6.) Freddy vs. Jason

7.) The New Blood

8.) Part 3

9.) A New Beginning

10.) Jason Takes Manhattan

11.) Jason Goes to Hell

12.) Jason X

Lammert

02-15-2009, 08:18 PM

I'll have to watch it again before I'll give it a spot on my F13 list.... and it can only go down...

I remember liking FvsJ when I saw it in theater, but after watching it 2 times on dvd I'll never watch it again... I probably liked it in the beginning because Jason was back. I used to watch part VII all the time on VHS, but on dvd I probably watched it 3 times. I still enjoy Jason X, it's cheesy... but it's great fun and a real popcorn movie(besides the spider-brodski ending).

DD77

02-15-2009, 08:24 PM

ADDED:If I remember well, Trent's house is on the other side of the lake as well. When Trent tells Nolan where the boat is, it seems the road is long (they need the GPS to find it) and Clay says to Jenna he hasn't search yet the other side of the lake. So Trent's house is, like the Jarvis's house, on the other side of the lake, not directly in Jason's territory, so a safe place until one of Jason's prey goes there.

Also, since Part 2, Jason is a "child prisoner inside a man's body". As with his drowning, it's not something where more explanations are needed, at least for me. So during 2-4, he's not 15 or 18, he's simply an adult.

(FF always working on his new timeline and continuity)

Another possibility is to treat F13 2009 like Gojira 84. A direct sequel to original movie of the franchise, hence a "previously on" that works well.

But I prefer it as a sequel to TNB.

Well my original question was why now?, when his first victims were boating on the the same lake as Trent did, apparently many times, in his beloved boat. Trent had to have pissed him off sometime before that, being the bagtastic bro he was.

If anything its a sequel to the original. 09's little Jason in June 1980 is nowhere near trapped in a man's body yet. There would have to be a McDonald's nearby for him to load up on Royale's w/cheese on a daily basis to grow enough in a handful of years to fit anywhere close to your timeline. :jason:

Hypnocil

02-15-2009, 09:22 PM

Well my original question was why now?, when his first victims were boating on the the same lake as Trent did, apparently many times, in his beloved boat. Trent had to have pissed him off sometime before that, being the bagtastic bro he was.

I see what you're saying...but perhaps you're thinking too hard about it? How do we know Trent's parents didn't buy the summer house last summer...

Or like French Friday said, look at the Jarvis house in TFC. I assume that house was a vacation house for the Jarvis family before Mrs. Jarvis seperated from her husband, then she Tommy and Trish moved there. But even if the family always lived there, Jason would have had ample oppertunity to go after them before...but he didn't. Mrs. Jarvis and Trish even jogged around the lake every day!

But then you have Higgens' Haven. Jason never felt it nessesary to sneak in and slaughter Chris and her parents in the past...he did attack Chris when she ventured alone into the woods. And look at the events of parts III and TFC. Jason was being pursued by the police, so he was killing these people because he needed a safe place to chill and heal up. The fact that they were near his turf probably indicates he doesn't want to venture far from his sacred land.

Also, I wasn't clear earlier, about Jason hiding bodies. In part 2...Jason very much was hiding the bodies in his shack. He had Alice, Teri and the police officer's corpses there. When Paul and Ginny arrived, we saw Jason in the process of moving Vicki's body down the stairs, presumedly to the shack.

In F1309, it would not make ANY sense for people to be finding dead bodies around the woods. Jason is clearly more intelligent than that.

If anything its a sequel to the original. 09's little Jason in June 1980 is nowhere near trapped in a man's body yet. There would have to be a McDonald's nearby for him to load up on Royale's w/cheese on a daily basis to grow enough in a handful of years to fit anywhere close to your timeline. :jason:

A sequel to the original where Jason just randomly pops up and starts killing thirty years later. This is shitty H20 logic.

The 5th Golden Girl

02-15-2009, 09:31 PM

Okay, bare with me here as I explain my ranking.

I see the first four films as one, big, epic film. I never watch any of the first four films without watching the other three. I start with one and end with four. So, yeah, it's like Slasher Film Gone with the Wind to me.

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1. The first four films
2. Part 5
3. Part 7
4. Part 6
5. Part 8
6. 2009 Film
7. JGTH
8. Freddy vs. Jason
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... shit
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... the ground underneath the shit
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... old, white shit buried in the ground underneath the fresh pile of shit
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... Hitler's rotting corpse
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... shit that has leaked from Hitler's rotting corpse
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... Jason X

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So, for the sake of this thread, I'm going to rank the 2009 film as sixth best film in the overall series. Now, I may go back and forth between part 8 and the 2009 film as time goes by. Right now, I feel like pledging my allegience to the original eight films, so eight sticks with the first seven films by default. However, I recently tried to watch part 8 as part of my movie marathon, and I could barely get through it, so yeah, when my loyalty wears thin, I may switch part 8 and the 2009 film around.

The 2009 offering is much, much better than the other New Line tries, though, so there's that.

Death Curse

02-15-2009, 09:43 PM

jasonlives13, Ahhhh get out of my head!!!!

Seriously dude, its like you read my thoughts. My sentiments exactly.

If you're a fan of this franchise and "hated" this movie then you shouldn't call yourself a fan anymore.

DD77

02-15-2009, 09:48 PM

I see what you're saying...but perhaps you're thinking too hard about it? How do we know Trent's parents didn't buy the summer house last summer...

Or like French Friday said, look at the Jarvis house in TFC. I assume that house was a vacation house for the Jarvis family before Mrs. Jarvis seperated from her husband, then she Tommy and Trish moved there. But even if the family always lived there, Jason would have had ample oppertunity to go after them before...but he didn't. Mrs. Jarvis and Trish even jogged around the lake every day!

But then you have Higgens' Haven. Jason never felt it nessesary to sneak in and slaughter Chris and her parents in the past...he did attack Chris when she ventured alone into the woods. And look at the events of parts III and TFC. Jason was being pursued by the police, so he was killing these people because he needed a safe place to chill and heal up. The fact that they were near his turf probably indicates he doesn't want to venture far from his sacred land.

Also, I wasn't clear earlier, about Jason hiding bodies. In part 2...Jason very much was hiding the bodies in his shack. He had Alice, Teri and the police officer's corpses there. When Paul and Ginny arrived, we saw Jason in the process of moving Vicki's body down the stairs, presumedly to the shack.

In F1309, it would not make ANY sense for people to be finding dead bodies around the woods. Jason is clearly more intelligent than that. I hear ya... i can dig it.. You're right that is a possibility.:cool:

A sequel to the original where Jason just randomly pops up and starts killing thirty years later. This is shitty H20 logic.Yeah i personally don't try to connect everything, because it will always lead to a dead end, no matter what path you take. I was just seeing the Part1 angle, more than French's Part7 angle... To me this is an all new universe, and i'm sure other things happened over the 30yrs.. Not what we saw in Parts 2-11 tho. That's all gone and never happened, according to the Dunes people.
:angel:

Hypnocil

02-15-2009, 10:25 PM

Yeah i personally don't try to connect everything, because it will always lead to a dead end, no matter what path you take. I was just seeing the Part1 angle, more than French's Part7 angle... To me this is an all new universe, and i'm sure other things happened over the 30yrs.. Not what we saw in Parts 2-11 tho. That's all gone and never happened, according to the Dunes people.
:angel:

Just what the Friday fanbase needs; a split timeline. :p It did wonders to the Halloween community.

Oooh, if this is true, perhaps Friday the 13th: Ressurection is next up. Busta and Bianca can epically reunite and show Jason who's boss.

Sure, it'll kill the franchise forever, but at least we'll be stopping with 13 movies.

VoorheesGuy91

02-15-2009, 11:18 PM

I have been on board with Platinum Dunes' Reboot of Friday the 13th ever since it was first announced. I loved what they had done with Leatherface's return in TCM '03 and I was very curious as to what direction they would take the Jason's return in.

Let me start by saying that Jason is back and most importantly, he is scary again! Derek Mears (who is by far the nicest guy that I have ever met hilariously enough) successfully manages to bring a breath of fresh air to the character. Jason is no longer the "Frankenstein-like drone" that he has been for the past 22 years. He is now fast, aggressive, and boy does he have one hell of a stick up his ass.

As for the characters and the setting, the filmmakers do a great job of creating an atmosphere that truly feels like it is some old broken down and abandoned camp that had been long forgotten. It brought back a little bit of the nostalgia of the first two films (IMO) when it came to the atmosphere...but not completely. As for the characters, Platinum Dunes was able to introduce me to some rather likable characters that I wanted to root for (Travis Van Winkle's character aside). I for one had not felt that way since the original saga (1-4). Shockingly enough, there was one character who's death actually disturbed me and made me feel a little sad...now that's a first.

Unfortunately, the film is not without it's cons. The biggest being that in all honesty...it did not feel like an F13 movie. I was banking on this entry to bring back mass amounts of nostalgia and have me reminiscing on times past. Sadly, that was not the case. I respect the fact that Platinum Dunes wanted to make it there own, but at points I almost felt like "hell, if this guy wasn't wearing a hockey mask and this place wasn't called Crystal Lake, this could be some other movie." That was just me of course. Many may consider this rather silly, but the font of the opening credits looked rather cheesy IMO.

Another thing that I wasn't overly crazy about was the absence of the iconic "Ki-Ki-Ki Ma-Ma-Ma." I thought it was used way too sparingly. I mean...what's a Jason movie without the iconic score? Imagine if a Halloween film was released without Carpenter's score (or some version of it), there would be blood in the streets.

None of this was enough to ruin the film of course. I just have to get that nit-picking out of my system. But at the end of the day, Jason is back! He is not body hopping, he is not in space getting an upgrade, and he isn't squaring off against good ole' Freddy Kruger either...he is back at Crystal Lake doing his thang! And at the end of the day, that is what is most important.

-Voorheesguy91

The Heat

02-15-2009, 11:33 PM

Finally saw it this morning. I need to see it a couple of more times as I have the rest of the series to get the final result. Right now I'd go with:

Jason Lives
The Final Chapter
Part 3
Part 2
Friday the 13th
The New Blood
Friday 2009
Jason Takes Manhattan
A New Beginning
Freddy vs. Jason
Jason X
Jason Goes To Hell

So I'd have it at the 7th best in the series. Just some random thoughts:

Pros
- The acting was the best in the series.
- Some very good jump scares that really got me levitating from my seat.
- Mears was a very good Jason.
- Lots of good boobs.
- Set a good atmosphere.
- Back at Crystal Lake (finally).

Cons:
- Kills were a little disappointing.
- Hated the score.
- Wasn't digging Jason's stringy hair.
- Didn't really like the underground tunnels.
- Didn't connect with any of the characters.

I think my main complaint is that this felt a LOT like the TCM remake. A lot. Like, I felt at times like this was just a continuation of that movie. Especially with the old woman with the dog. Hell, even the characters looked a lot like the characters in the TCM remake. It didn't feel like a Friday the 13th movie. And maybe that was the point. It is a reboot after all. That's why I need to see it a couple more times. Right now, like I said, it would probably be 7th. Good movie which I'll buy on DVD, but not near my favorite of the series.

Oh, and did anybody think the guy driving the boat looked like a clone of Wooderson from Dazed and Confused? :lmao:

And the movie was also partially ruined by two 10 year old kids who were brought in by their obviously incompetent father and talked through the entire fucking thing. And instead of shutting them up, the father just talked with them.

Fancy Corkscrew

02-16-2009, 01:10 AM

You know I actually liked Jablonsky's score. Sure it did not really sound like a "Friday" score but it had a cool 80's synth style to it which I dug. Could have used a bit more ki ki ki ma ma ma though.

Killa Pimp

02-16-2009, 01:32 AM

Apologies in advance for the long post-
It happens every once in awhile, usually once every 5 years or so – so bear with me.

My rankings:

Granted, I have seen every one of them in the theater opening day.

Part 4 – undoubtedly the best of the series – took the best elements of the first three and
And made it their own. Plus Jason was just straight up nasty in this one.
Part 2 – good relentless movie – the 2009 Jason reminded me of this incarnation
Part 1 – I am a “Jason in F13” fan but this is still an overall good horror movie-
Plus if you would have been able to witness the reaction of the final jump scare on May 9th 1980 like I did,– I was very young at the time – Single digits – so it made quite an impression, it cemented my love of horror and special effects .
2009 – I’ll explain below.
Part 7- The Jason make-up in that one blew me away - Plus I believe this was Hodders’s best performance as Jason.
Part 5 - No Jason But the last in the series to have that classic Friday feel.
Part 3 - I know he got the mask in this one- but It was absolutely terrible –
A lot of camp with this one – It felt like they were forced to make a sequel- plus the way it was filmed to exploit the 3-D – “oh my God , there’s a yo-yo coming directly at me” need I say more. Overall a horrible theater experience to what I believe is one of the best Jason performances out there
Parts 6, 8, 9- Had decent kills , but just overall story wise sucked.
They added some things to the series, but overall they were just money grabbers.

It was like watching someone you love battling a terminal disease and losing…
BADLY -
But not giving up and hoping they would recover.

(No fault of Kane H. BTW)
I understand that some of you young-lings out there adore these latter entries, but to each his own.

Now on to this new one:
It seems like they took the minimalist approach to this one, a la the Batman Begins route..
Now I am not saying this is on caliber with that film, by no means.

But from the kills all the way to the score, it left you wanting more. Which is what I think they wanted all along. If they gave you everything in this one. How would the next one compete?

They gave you a little of the origin in Part one with his mother.

Then they gave you the sack and the camp being closed for years and a few victims as an appetizer.

In comics, this is what is called a retcon:

Where they change things, for better or worse to continue the story or to wipe out stuff that doesn’t work anymore. Now this is entirely up to the new writers and editor’s of course and sometimes pisses off a lot of people.

For Example Spider-Man, the One More Day – Brand New Day Arcs. I actually stopped reading Spider-man over this , but that’s another story. I have invested thousands of dollars in over thirty years of comics compared to a few movie tickets, DVD's and some other merchandise with F13 - which is still my Favorite movie series of all time.

Whenever you retcon, you run the risk of losing some loyal customers, but gaining many, many more new ones for the long haul, i.e, possibly the next 20 years. Plus if you have years invested in the series, would you really want to leave the franchise anyway? In movies this is harder to accomplish, by all means. Because you can’t come out once a month like a comic can.

Then to the new set of kills, (I mean people)…They were sent there just to die, to serve no other purpose and the kills were not as visually stunning as in the past because this incarnation of Jason is just starting out, getting his feet wet. Where the 80’s Jason had hundreds under his belt and we expected more over the top at every turn.

Some people are saying that Jason doesn’t set people up to get other people:
My question is what movies have you been watching?
In part 2 he set the rope trap for Scott and the girl went to go get a knife to cut him down – he Killed Scott and then waited for the girl to come back and killed here off screen.

In part 4, he killed the girl in the raft to set up the ever cringe inducing spear gun kill.
Also how he killed the twins in part 4 using the bike of the one he just killed to get the other one to look out the window just long enough for him to get her. Hell in a way , he was basically using more Psychology and cunning to get at people in those days.
Then , in every movie he has set bodies up for someone to find, to freak them out and then strike. Zombie and Human Jason did this.
So basically this is a re imagining of parts 1-4.
The writers took what they thought was the best of the series and put them in, but not in the exact same way .
So some will say it was jumbled and there was a lot to absorb…
But it was risky on their parts as well, different writers, maybe we would have gotten different results, maybe something a few people thought was better – or something far, far worse.
Plus, if you think about it, some of the newer entries in the last series weren’t exactly burning up the box office, so why would you incorporate that into something that needed to make a huge statement to reboot the franchise, put new asses in seats and get the sequels churning.
If this would have had everything you wanted in it and it made like $15 million total, and nothing new came out for like 10 years from now- is that what we think the series needed?

Quite frankly the franchise needed this movie,
and to these people Saying , that this is not your Jason … you are correct in a way , its not . The film company moved in a way to make him accessible to old and new viewers .
Quite simply, “Our Jason Doesn’t work in the movie climate that exists now” or evoke the feelings he did years ago… so quite frankly it was time for a new Jason that will evolve over time.

But all in all – this is a set up movie.
On with the sequels…
Was this a great movie no, but it did what it needed to do.

If I need to get my fix of nostalgic Jason kill, I’ll watch that particular movie again on DVD.
Plus maybe, they’ll get new writers for the next one and they may bring it closer to home…or not…but at least this time, there will be a next one pretty soon.

I'm out bitches
Keep it pimpin'

SaturdayThe14th

02-18-2009, 11:55 PM

Well stated, Killa Pimp... This movie is like pre heating the oven.

DCmpose

02-19-2009, 12:29 AM

My friend and I went and watched this last night. I thought it was pretty good all around. Derek Mears is a badass Jason, and the movie itself was like they took parts 1-4 and crammed them together into one movie, so nothing to complain about there.

My only complaint was the lack of creativity in the kills. It just seemed all stab, slash, stab, slash, stab, slash. Derek did do it with a lot of conviction though and made it look like he was really trying to kill them, something that Ken from FvsJ lacked, but none of the kills stood out. For instance when the asian guy, forgot his name, goes into the tool shed and they give you a good shot of all the death dealing instruments in there, I nearly crapped my pants thinking of all the ways those could be used...alas they weren't.

Like Killa Pimp said it just left me wanting more.

Final verdict - 8 out of 10.

Dave Dunwoody

02-19-2009, 06:03 AM

Things I learned from Friday the 13th (2009):

You can't go back in time.

Jason, regardless of atmosphere and pacing, remains a horror hero in my mind. My favorite sequence was the two morons boating on the lake because Jason stood in broad daylight and dispatched the two in ways both shocking and amusing.

For me, the use of shadows and seeing (a little) less of Jason didn't do anything to recapture the vibe of the early films.

Mega-Nerd Sidebar: Reboot my ass. It's a sequel. I'm going to play the dreaded "regeneration" card and say that Jason was able to return to top form after his victory in FvJ. I also think the mother-related trauma he suffered at Freddy's hands affected him deeply, inspiring him to abduct Whitney when he saw her resemblance to young Pamela.

Also he lost his mask at some point but that redneck found it.

Ditching the mask, getting in shape, refurbishing the camp...the old lady says Jason just wants to be left alone. Maybe he went into retirement after FvJ and "Pamela's" betrayal? Call it a mid-unlife crisis. Whitney was his red sports car.

Virtually nothing changed except Jason became more spry. So Wade says it's only been 20 years since his drowning...fuck Wade

The Asian kid and the black kid were lovers

Long after this film has passed into history, and we are still debating the gayness of NOES 2, it will be agreed that these guys were totally doing it.

Crystal Lake cops are still fucking useless

Is it just me or did the cops not look hard enough? Might they have discovered Jason's lair if they dared set foot on the camp property?

And who the fuck goes alone to an isolated house to respond to a homicide call? Even if it was Clay Miller who phoned 911.

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Overall I found this an average entry. The attempts to go old-school sometimes fell flat, playing out like a knockoff. I hope, though, that this satisfied those who wanted another campers-in-the-woods scenario.

Now let's get Jason to L.A. In the winter. On a plane

The Tall Man

02-19-2009, 06:49 AM

Great points, one and all, Thac!

T.M.

Hypnocil

02-19-2009, 01:10 PM

That was a great post, but one thing...

Virtually nothing changed except Jason became more spry. So Wade says it's only been 20 years since his drowning...fuck Wade.

Wade says it's been twenty years since Camp Crystal Lake shut down, not since Jason drowned. He says his friend went there, and cops showed up looking for Jason. I interpret that as a reference to Jason Lives especially since it fits mainly with the timeline.

I agree about the cops! I thought Jenna's comment about the police not looking very well was rather humerous considering all they found on their quick jaunt (GPS, creepy cabins, string alarms, ect.).

Dave Dunwoody

02-19-2009, 01:45 PM

Ah, good. Well then, Wade's back in my good books. ;)

Geddy Peart

02-19-2009, 07:34 PM

Mega-Nerd Sidebar: Reboot my ass. It's a sequel. I'm going to play the dreaded "regeneration" card and say that Jason was able to return to top form after his victory in FvJ. I also think the mother-related trauma he suffered at Freddy's hands affected him deeply, inspiring him to abduct Whitney when he saw her resemblance to young Pamela.

Also he lost his mask at some point but that redneck found it.

Ditching the mask, getting in shape, refurbishing the camp...the old lady says Jason just wants to be left alone. Maybe he went into retirement after FvJ and "Pamela's" betrayal? Call it a mid-unlife crisis. Whitney was his red sports car.

Virtually nothing changed except Jason became more spry. So Wade says it's only been 20 years since his drowning...fuck Wade

Interesting perspective. But if this is a sequel, how come we see a young (child) Jason's hand pick up the locket after Pamela's beheading in 1980? In the original series, he was an adult in Part 2. I can buy that he's regenerated to a human-like state since FvJ, but what we see in the prologue dismisses the notion that this is a sequel (in my eyes).

Personally I think this is a reboot of the franchise and the filmmakers kept enough of the original formula to make it feel comfortable to long-time fans.

But I gotta ask, since you see this as a sequel to you what did Jason do with Freddy's head? Did he discard it, or do you think he kept it as a trophy?

The Asian kid and the black kid were lovers

Long after this film has passed into history, and we are still debating the gayness of NOES 2, it will be agreed that these guys were totally doing it.

I'm sorry, I'm not connecting the dots on this one. What did you see that made you think Chewy and Lawrence were lovers? I can see the Jesse and Grady theory considering Jesse's sensitivity and Grady's playful (almost flirty) pranks. But in the new F13 movie I saw nothing that indicated that Chewy and Lawrence were anything other than friends. What did you see in them that made you come to this conclusion?

jah jah jason

02-19-2009, 08:32 PM

I saw it for the 5th time today. I have to say. It gets better every time. They should have made it a 2hr movie and not tried to fit everything in such a small amout of time. I did happen to watch Friday the 13th part 2 yesterday and it made me rethink my rating of this movie. I would put Friday the 13th (2009) 3rd in the series now. I can't wait for the dvd to come out now, I think 5 times in the theater is enough. Of course there are a few things I would change, but I am satisfied.

I really enjoy the soundtrack and score.

Timberwolf Entertainment

02-20-2009, 06:51 AM

Interesting perspective. But if this is a sequel, how come we see a young (child) Jason's hand pick up the locket after Pamela's beheading in 1980? In the original series, he was an adult in Part 2. I can buy that he's regenerated to a human-like state since FvJ, but what we see in the prologue dismisses the notion that this is a sequel (in my eyes).

Personally I think this is a reboot of the franchise and the filmmakers kept enough of the original formula to make it feel comfortable to long-time fans.

But I gotta ask, since you see this as a sequel to you what did Jason do with Freddy's head? Did he discard it, or do you think he kept it as a trophy?

Perhaps Jason has a Benjimin Button watch...LOL

Just busting balls... you are right.... this is not a sequel any way you cut it.. it just isn't.

It's a reboot.

Dave Dunwoody

02-20-2009, 08:37 AM

Interesting perspective. But if this is a sequel, how come we see a young (child) Jason's hand pick up the locket after Pamela's beheading in 1980? In the original series, he was an adult in Part 2.

If one considers this film a sequel, in the context of the supernatural events of past films, then I think there's an explanation.

We still don't know whether or not Jason actually survived the drowning or came back to life. For all I know the child's hand was an apparition like the thing that grabbed Rennie in JTM (and, perhaps, the thing that snatched Alice out of the canoe).

Personally I don't think either perspective is dead wrong - they both can work, IMO. But I think the writers' intention was to make it a plausible sequel for those who wanted one.

But I gotta ask, since you see this as a sequel to you what did Jason do with Freddy's head? Did he discard it, or do you think he kept it as a trophy?

Not sure. I think it'd be more in character for him to keep it, though.

I'm sorry, I'm not connecting the dots on this one. What did you see that made you think Chewy and Lawrence were lovers? I can see the Jesse and Grady theory considering Jesse's sensitivity and Grady's playful (almost flirty) pranks. But in the new F13 movie I saw nothing that indicated that Chewy and Lawrence were anything other than friends. What did you see in them that made you come to this conclusion?

Kidding ;)

Geddy Peart

02-20-2009, 01:58 PM

If one considers this film a sequel, in the context of the supernatural events of past films, then I think there's an explanation.

We still don't know whether or not Jason actually survived the drowning or came back to life. For all I know the child's hand was an apparition like the thing that grabbed Rennie in JTM (and, perhaps, the thing that snatched Alice out of the canoe).

Personally I don't think either perspective is dead wrong - they both can work, IMO. But I think the writers' intention was to make it a plausible sequel for those who wanted one.

I see where you're coming from, and it does make some sense.

Personally, I always thought Jason was completely alive in Parts 1-4. What we saw in Alice's dream was just that, a dream. Alice's brain was trying to process the events that had just happened mixed with her guilt over killing another person (albeit in self-defense). Having a dream of a young Jason pulling her into the water is the result of that (and because Pamela told her about his supposed drowning). I buy into Ginny's theory that Jason didn't drown, washed up onshore somewhere, had been living off of the land, and saw his mother beheaded.

In the new film (which I see as a remake), Jason was still a kid in 1980 (meaning he was born in the late 60s/early 70s) and saw his mother's beheading. He had survived his supposed drowning and had been living on camp grounds since. I think the camp was never reopened because of all the publicity from the 1980 murders and the lore of Jason (as the old lady admitted an acknowledgment of his legend/existence). I took Wade's explanation of "the camp closed 20 years ago" as more of the estimation of a dorky teen.

That's my take anyway. I've analyzed F13 way too much. Good God, I'm a nerd!

Kidding ;)

Ah, gotchya;)

Hypnocil

02-20-2009, 05:19 PM

Personally, I always thought Jason was completely alive in Parts 1-4. What we saw in Alice's dream was just that, a dream. Alice's brain was trying to process the events that had just happened mixed with her guilt over killing another person (albeit in self-defense). Having a dream of a young Jason pulling her into the water is the result of that (and because Pamela told her about his supposed drowning). I buy into Ginny's theory that Jason didn't drown, washed up onshore somewhere, had been living off of the land, and saw his mother beheaded.

I interpret the events at the end of the first one differently. The way I see it, it couldn't have been a dream because Alice saw Jason. Nowhere does Pamela even give the hint that her son was a mongoloid, so for Alice to be extrapolating that in her dream is a stretch, and the fact that she was indeed spot-on accurate tells me Jason really did attack her. The series offers three references to this:

1. Tommy uses Alice's rendition of Jason as a template to trick him, and indeed it worked.
2. Tommy believes Jason must return to his original resting place, the lake.
3. Rennie was attacked by child Jason, at a time when he shouldn't have been a child.

I'm going with the notion that the child Jason we saw at the beginning was along these lines, since it seemingly fits with the first movie...if you don't believe Alice was dreaming.

The 5th Golden Girl

02-21-2009, 03:04 AM

Chewie and Lawrence should have been gay lovers, if only to finally get some gay representation into the series. Jason kills gays, too, damn it. Just watch The New Blood if you don't believe me. ;)

Geddy Peart

02-21-2009, 04:47 AM

I interpret the events at the end of the first one differently. The way I see it, it couldn't have been a dream because Alice saw Jason. Nowhere does Pamela even give the hint that her son was a mongoloid, so for Alice to be extrapolating that in her dream is a stretch, and the fact that she was indeed spot-on accurate tells me Jason really did attack her. The series offers three references to this:

1. Tommy uses Alice's rendition of Jason as a template to trick him, and indeed it worked.
2. Tommy believes Jason must return to his original resting place, the lake.
3. Rennie was attacked by child Jason, at a time when he shouldn't have been a child.

I'm going with the notion that the child Jason we saw at the beginning was along these lines, since it seemingly fits with the first movie...if you don't believe Alice was dreaming.

Then how did Jason go from a kid in the first film to an adult in the second? Did he just decide that he needed to be an adult to enact his revenge, so just he mutated to adult form (in your opinion)?

JP's Revenge

02-21-2009, 06:03 AM

While clearly a reboot ala Dark Knight... I do enjoy Thac's line of thought. I like to flip-flop on the idea of it as a sequel too... there's really no reason why you can't, other then some throw-away lines here and there.

Hypnocil

02-21-2009, 06:16 AM

Then how did Jason go from a kid in the first film to an adult in the second? Did he just decide that he needed to be an adult to enact his revenge, so just he mutated to adult form (in your opinion)?

Perhaps "Child" Jason is the spirit trapped in the lake, and the walking flesh and blood killer is something slightly different, that "survived" the drowning. Jason is supernatural, human or not, and when he drowned it seperated his soul and body? Crazy Ralph did say the area was cursed...

Or perhaps when Pamela was killed, it was enough for the restless spirit in the lake to finally break free from his watery grave and take vengence, becoming human again.

I dunno, you can probably look at it more ways than that.

THENEWBLOOD1994

02-22-2009, 02:55 AM

Great Entry in the Friday the 13th series and i hope it spawns a few sequels, certainly better than 8-FvsJ.

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Geddy Peart

02-23-2009, 02:41 AM

Perhaps "Child" Jason is the spirit trapped in the lake, and the walking flesh and blood killer is something slightly different, that "survived" the drowning. Jason is supernatural, human or not, and when he drowned it seperated his soul and body? Crazy Ralph did say the area was cursed...

Or perhaps when Pamela was killed, it was enough for the restless spirit in the lake to finally break free from his watery grave and take vengence, becoming human again.

I dunno, you can probably look at it more ways than that.

There's definitely room for interpretation.

And though they tried to make Jason more human in the reboot, I think there is something a little supernatural about this version.The back of his head meets the blades of a wood chipper and he lives? Yeah, there's definitely something other worldly about him.

WOLF

02-24-2009, 03:02 AM

So going that route....Jason was brought back to life in his 12 year old body after his mom was beheaded. Part 2 takes place 5 years after the first movie.

Geddy Peart

02-25-2009, 03:56 PM

So going that route....Jason was brought back to life in his 12 year old body after his mom was beheaded. Part 2 takes place 5 years after the first movie.

That's part of why I believe that Jason survived the original drowning.

Going by that logic he would have been 17 years old (physically speaking).

Hypnocil

02-25-2009, 06:22 PM

Geddy Peart

02-25-2009, 06:49 PM

Yeah, it's not air tight. :)

But then, if he was living in the woods all those years, the age-old question "Why didn't he go home to his mom?" applies.

Hell, the basic backstory of part 1 told us that Pamela was running around the camp/woods quite often, sabotaging the camp so it wouldn't reopen? How is it they never crossed paths? These are pretty large leaps of faith as well.

Maybe he didn't know how to get home?

Also, I don't think Pamela was running around the woods as often as you think. I think she was only in the area to sabotage any attempts to reopen the camp.

French Friday

02-28-2009, 09:39 AM

Well my original question was why now?, when his first victims were boating on the the same lake as Trent did, apparently many times, in his beloved boat. Trent had to have pissed him off sometime before that, being the bagtastic bro he was.

Read Hypnocil's answer. I agree with him.

09's little Jason in June 1980 is nowhere near trapped in a man's body yet. There would have to be a McDonald's nearby for him to load up on Royale's w/cheese on a daily basis to grow enough in a handful of years to fit anywhere close to your timeline. :jason:

As seen in the original, Jason got out of the lake as the child he was/is.

Only then he grew up to an adult-size, maybe in a few days/weeks, took some time but very less than normal, just before hunting Alice at the beginning of Part 2, two months later. It's the same "magic/curse" explaining his regeneration factor. I don't want to know more about that. It happens, that's all.

The transformation was supernatural, so no need for a Royale Cheese to grow up. :)
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Or perhaps when Pamela was killed, it was enough for the restless spirit in the lake to finally break free from his watery grave and take vengence, becoming human again.

I like that. Let's add that to my theory :

When the mother is killed, the drown child gets out of the (death cursed) lake, and after a few hours/days/weeks, "born again" (so very alive in 2-4), he just gets older fastly to reach the age he should have had if he had never drown (34 years old in 1980). Then, as he died in TFC, his age is no more a real issue.

pa®tci

02-28-2009, 10:06 AM

Or perhaps Pamela did know that he is alive, but kept him in that shed deep in the woods (from part 2), because of his face.
Dunno, I don't want to complicate this story that much. For me, everything goes really smooth (story wise) till "Jason Takes Manhattan" (it is not that it's a bad story, but the ending did sucked a bit, even though one can connect it with Jason X, but for that read further) and even this one can pass trough the drops, but "Jason Goes To Hell" did go too far in the fantasy elements. Even though I like the idea of the story as well, one can not really connect it with the other parts. Pam's sister, the global Jason hysteria and etc. It also has some of my very favorite "Jason" kills, but the lost connection with the other series is big like the Grand Canyon (if I can say :D ). And remember, this is the story where one can know for sure, that Jason is no more, finish, kaput, etc.
So, "Jason X" can pretty much start after "Jason Takes Manhattan", if we can presume, that FBI or whatever agents did found his body in the sewer and took it for examinations.

I carried on a bit, 'scuse me. :nuts:

Rick

02-28-2009, 02:25 PM

originally posted by pa®tci
Or perhaps Pamela did know that he is alive, but kept him in that shed deep in the woods (from part 2), because of his face.
After years of not hiding Jason away Pam wouldn't suddenly stash him somewhere after the drowning because of his looks.
If his deformity was an issue she would have done it a long time ago and certainly wouldn't have let him go to camp.

pa®tci

02-28-2009, 03:22 PM

Yes, I agree, but that still does not answer the question why he was around the lake all these years and still hiding from his mom. Perhaps he was scared from her as well, I don't know. But it had to be like two years after his "drowning", right? The first one in the beginning of the movie and the second one till the end of it. Two years is a lot of time, but we still don't know how exactly big is the area around the lake. We know it is perhaps huge, so it is possible for Jason to hide from the other people, living in the woods and his mother not to even know that he is alive while he is searching for her. Than that year, he accidentally appears near the camp and sees his mother got killed, so when he grows big and strong and he is not afraid of the people anymore... well, he hates them, because of what they did to him and his mother and he also want it to be left alone with his... sadness, dunno. So when someone comes around, he feels himself or his area threatened and also his mother reamins threatened, so he just guards his territory.

BDW I liked the segment with the counsellors whistles in the Voorhees's house in the new movie... actually, this was the actual Voorhees house, right? Not that shed he lived in in the 2-nd part (and showed in FvJ). I find that disturbing (to say the least) as well. :duh:
Also, why did he killed this local (before finding his mask)? What, he smoked and traded with his weed? :D

Rick

02-28-2009, 04:40 PM

With the remake he may not have been hiding from her at all.
Since the decap/recap at the beginning doesn't really give any kind of time frame it's possible that Jason's supposed drowning and his mothers rampage take place in the same year, month, week or night.
I'm going with the same week or a few days and when he found his way back to camp his mother had gone crazy and was either in the middle of the killing spree or he arrives in time to see her killed.

The house that Jason lives under or in was originally written as the shack according to Shannon and Swift, but during filming the director/producers turned it into a house. Jason's name is on the bed so I guess you can assume that it was his and his mom's house.
Maybe it was a house near the camp that they rented from the camp owners? Maybe not.
Since this movie is a remake it's not supposed to be the same house as Freddy vs Jason.

Earlier in the movie the guy in the barn tells Clay someone has been stealing kerosene and the old guy that owns the place is pissed.
Jason is the kerosene thief, i think that's pretty obvious. He's been stealing it to light the lanterns you see later in the movie and possibly to run the generator (yes there are kerosene powered generators) that Jason uses to light the old camp.
When the dude comes back with the weed he's picked he just happens on Jason who was there, more then likely, stealing more kerosene.

French Friday

02-28-2009, 06:19 PM

Dunno, I don't want to complicate this story that much.

Me neither.

For me, everything goes really smooth (story wise) till "Jason Takes Manhattan"

For me, everything goes really smooth till TNB included (JTM begins with a make-up/costume continuity error and goes then with a timeline continuity error). And this new movie (we really should find a short name for it) follows smoothly after TNB in my book (Jason "free" at the end of TNB, the hockey masked destroyed and lost, Jason is a campfire tale at this point of the series after JL and the recap in TNB...)

Jason being a child in the "previously on" opening is something that helps me to "officialize" my new theory = when Pamela's killed, Jason IS a child (new on screen fact), so the end of Part 1 is NOT a dream, so Jason DID drown and just reappeared as a child after the beheading = the death curse.

That being in MY book, if the movie is a sequel/reboot (ala the new Amazing Spider-Man # 1 in 1999)

If you consider it as a remake, it's easy to say the drowning, the first massacre and the beheading happened the same week as it was said above. So Jason is 11 in 1980, almost dies by drowning but survives, go back to her mother, but arrives too late and sees her being beheaded. Then Jason is 40 in 2009, alive all that time, with many trespassers hunted and killed during that time, with their bodies kept in the mine tunnels.

But I prefer "Shin F13" (the japanese way of naming reboots, but no, that one is always too long, have to search again) to be a new Part 8. The adventures of Jason are more "filled" in that case, with the massacre of 1985, the nemesis Tommy Jarvis, and Tina the telekinesist. The legend of Jason Voorhees has more depth, more stories... The myth of Jason Voorhees is wider.

F13-R could be a good short name ? F13R ? RF13 ? NF13 (as in New F13)

F13-R sounds good. I'll maybe keep it. After all, we already have TCM-R... Damned, why this one has no subtitle !!!! :)