Amanda Young Vs. Tommy Jarvis

[Jigsaw]

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Amanda Young


Vs.


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Tommy Jarvis


Both have survived notorious serial killers and both have obvious mental issues, with Amanda having become Jigsaw's apprentice and Tommy almost having become the new Crystal Lake Killer, and even then he wasn't totally sane. Both can put up a good fight, take a lot of punishment and both have survived some amazingly dangerous and frightening situations where they faced serious adversity. Who wins?

I think this fight could end up being very close, since Amanda and Tommy are just normal humans and it can go either way. I'd pick Amanda as having the better chance of success due to her engineering and trap-building knowledge Jigsaw taught her as well as her skills at kidnapping and knocking people out, and she also has skills with guns and knives. I think all of this gives her a strong upper hand against Tommy, but Tommy most definitely is the more physically strong of the two and could probably give her a serious beatdown if he had the moment of opportunity.

[DRE]

Feldman Jarvis vs. Amanda would end in a draw, because he'd be too busy trying to get her phone number.

Shepard Jarvis would take Amanda out very quickly.

Matthews Jarvis would be defeated in under two minutes flat by Amanda.

Seriously, Amanda takes this one.

[Jigsaw]

Well, breaking this down by the three different Tommys we've seen:


The Final Chapter - Amanda doesn't strike me as the type who'd harm a child, but if Tommy was enough of a threat, I could see her striking back against him if he got truly dangerous (he did go pretty wild with the machete at the end of TFC). I think rather than flat-out hurting him, she'd just sedate him and drop him off somewhere. Who knows if she might even take him under her wing as a possible apprentice.

A New Beginning - Probably the toughest of the three, his punches and blows would give her a world of hurt. Still, with a gun, knife or one of the traps handy, Amanda could take him as long as she wasn't too close to him.

Jason Lives - Not as tough as the ANB Tommy, but he could probably still put up a fight, as evidenced by the finale when he chains Jason to the bottom of the lake. Who's to say he wouldn't try to chain Amanda to a pipe inside the bathroom or to the bottom of the Syringe Pit. This one could be more of a draw, but Amanda gets the upper hand again.

[Hypnocil]

Hmmm....I also feel breaking it down to the three Tommy's is appropriate.

The Final Chapter - You know, it's true. If Amanda saw Tommy's fascination with mask-making and illusional tricks, she might be intrigued enough to take him on as an apprentice! In terms of a fight...hmmm...Amanda would probably win. Tommy wasn't exactly the most proactive survivor, Trish saved him most of the time.

I suppose Tommy could put on a long, dark wig and say "Amanda! You're me Amanda....Amanda, don't you remember?" Maybe he could be holding a little crack pipe in his hand or something. I don't know how Amanda would react to this....but I bet she'd be amused before blowing his head off. Maybe she'd buy it. :p

A New Beginning - Oh my gawd. Tommy would own Amanda. I see the two just beating the shit out of each other, but in the end Tommy would totally win. He's just way more intense when he gets violent.

Jason Lives - Amanda would prevail. How would it go? I guess it depends on how you want to view Tommy. Would this Tommy be obsessed with returning Amanda to her "original resting place"...whatever that means for Amanda. Since that doesn't seem to apply, were left with an actual battle. This Tommy doesn't seem to have the physical prowless or the violent streak shown in part V. Amanda would wipe the floor with him. Quickly too, before Tommy knew what hit him.

[Jigsaw]

I could see Amanda losing her temper easily with the JL Tommy, with how much he whines and that he doesn't give up. To be fair, we never saw the full extent of how much of a fight JL Tommy could put up, but since it is the same character over the duration of 4-6 and he just evolved as each film went on, I think either the ANB or JL Tommy could put up a fight, but Amanda's own willpower and determination, combined with her violent streak and impulsive nature and her knowledge of trap-making and experience with weapons gives her the upper hand. The fact she had someone like John Kramer to teach her his philosophy and his ways and such, she'd know how to plan ahead in advance to capture Tommy and either trap or kill him.

[Creighton Duke]

I think Amanda would destroy Tommy. I think I'll continue this trend and break it down Tommy by Tommy. :p

The Final Chapter: Well...simply put...I don't think Amanda would put a child in a death trap.

A New Beginning: John Shepherd's Tommy would probably stand the best chance against Amanda. His traumatic experience with Jason seemed to have made him rather paranoid, and I think he'd be too aware of his surroundings to even get knocked out and placed in a trap by Amanda. Her creep up and knock out tactics wouldn't work! And he wouldn't hesitate to punch the shit out of her if she approached him. I'd say Tommy from A New Beginning is the only one who would take her out.

Jason Lives: Well, Thom Matthews's Tommy would just get destroyed.

[Hypnocil]

I could see Amanda losing her temper easily with the JL Tommy, with how much he whines and that he doesn't give up. To be fair, we never saw the full extent of how much of a fight JL Tommy could put up, but since it is the same character over the duration of 4-6 and he just evolved as each film went on, I think either the ANB or JL Tommy could put up a fight

Well...yeah...you are right. The JL Tommy is technically the same character as ANB Tommy...they're just so radically portrayed differently that I have a hard time placing Shepherd's character into Matthews'. I mean, when the Sheriff and his deputy overpower Tommy in JL at the cemetary...that doesn't really look like something that ANB Tommy would have ever allowed. He would have kicked both their asses or got shot in the process, because when threatened Tommy would become an animalistic fighting machine.

I agree, also, Amanda would get annoyed with the JL Tommy. He's way too squeaky clean for her. Now that I think about it, ANB Tommy and Amanda would probably look at each other as kindrid spirits if anything. If they didn't beat each other to bloody pulps, perhaps a romance could erupt? :X

[Jigsaw]

I'm surprised that Tommy's blows to Eddie in ANB didn't leave him with bruises or broken bones or anything, they were certainly strong enough to inflict some serious pain and injuries. Who knows if ANB Tommy would wreck Amanda like Eric did to her during their fight.

I don't see Amanda getting romantic with any of the Tommys. TFC Tommy I don't think she would outright harm and might only attack him as a last resort or just sedate him and maybe hold him captive somewhere. ANB Tommy would be too explosive for her to handle and JL Tommy would just bug the shit out of her and easily spark her to attack him.

This all brings up something interesting, how would Tommy fare in a trap? I see ANB Tommy as being like Eric Matthews, he'd just do what he had to to escape, but I think JL Tommy might be more like something along the lines of Adam.

[Hypnocil]

Well, what kind of trap are we talking? One of Amanda'a unwinnable traps? Or one of Jigsaw's?

Also, I suppose it would depend on what Amanda/Jigsaw believed Tommy was missing in his life.

In ANB, Tommy is one of five survivors of the Crystal Lake Massacre, and his distinction is that he dealt the very violent final blow (and blow and blow and blow...) to Jason. I get the feeling Jigsaw would want to test Tommy's ability to "not use violence" as a means to escape...somehow. If it was a much simpler trap, I see this Tommy enduring the pain needed to survive.

In JL, Tommy is a much simpler character, simply troubled by his past with Jason. I think Amanda's approach (or Jigsaw's) would be totally different with reguards to the trap. Yeah, Adam's trap would be a good example. I just don't know if JL Tommy would have the will to survive in that condition. He'd try...I'm not sure he would succeed.

[Jigsaw]

Either trap of Jigsaw or Amanda's, or even Hoffman's. Amanda could very well give him an unwinnable trap but some of her games could be won, so who knows what game she'd give him. I could see her having strong resentment towards both the ANB and JL Tommys, and with her impulsive and angry nature, it wouldn't be a stretch to say that she might give either one a trap they can't win. ANB Tommy would be tested for his will to not use violence as a solution (which is very similar to Eric's test in Saw II), while JL Tommy would be tested probably for something having to do with letting his past get to him and stop him from living a better life.

I just thought of another good versus match (maybe someone reading this could start a poll from it), Amanda Vs. Trish from TFC. That would be something to see, since Trish is more than capable of holding her own against Amanda and both are very tough, resilient and persistant. Heck, maybe Amanda could run a gauntlet of Jason's survivors to see which of them she'd stand the most chance of defeating or at least surviving. I reckon Ginny from Part 2, Trish from TFC, Tommy from ANB and Tina from TNB are the toughest.

[ZPowers]

Amanda would win. Jason is a blunt force. Even if Tommy knew about Amanda, she'd be more into subterfuge than Jason. Tommy isn't honestly that smart, Amanda would probably make the first move, and, with any smarts, would pull it off.

[Jigsaw]

Amanda is also good with sneak attacks and taking her victims by surprise, so she could sneak up on Tommy and either sedate him for a trap or outright kill him by doing something like throwing a plastic bag over his head to get it done.

[Hypnocil]

Yeah, if we wanted to boil it down to that basic level, then yes, Amanda would be smart enough to sneak up and get the best of Tommy when he wasn't aware she was around. And if he did know she was around, and targeting him, I still don't really think he would last that long. She'd probably get him while he's asleep. This goes for all three Tommy's, btw.

[Jigsaw]

Amanda seems like a decent shot with guns too, so if she had one on her, one well-aimed shot against Tommy and that's the end of it. I'm sure Tommy could use a gun if he had access to one and he even grabbed one of Garris' guns in JL before he had it snatched away from him. Both know how to use knives and if Tommy is carrying a little blade like he did in ANB, he could use his own sneak attack on her to wound her.

[sooners4life98]

I say it is a stalemate.

[The Dream Master]

I like option D the best: Tommy is too busy banging Megan to give a fuck about a "junkie bitch" like Amanda. :D

[nottidelterrore]

I like option D the best: Tommy is too busy banging Megan to give a fuck about a "junkie bitch" like Amanda. :D

That would be the most logical answer. :lol:

[DRE]

I like option D the best: Tommy is too busy banging Megan to give a fuck about a "junkie bitch" like Amanda. :D

:shame:

Straight talk only in this room. :X

[Jigsaw]

I certainly think Tommy might want to reconsider that option if he gets on Amanda's bad side.

[The Dream Master]

Does Amanda really have a good side? :X

;)

[Jack Bauer]

Yes, she does.

On her days off she punches out reporters and looks after the sick and ill.

[Jigsaw]

She does have one, people just have the misfortune of getting on her bad side. The same goes for Tommy.

[The Dream Master]

All I know is this: if I were Tommy, I'd very much appreciate my life if I were still with Megan, so I'd never be on Amanda's radar. :shy:

[Jack Bauer]

Umm, what has Megan done for Tommy aside from bringing him back to life and saving his ass twice?

[The Dream Master]

And on top of all that, she was smoking hot as well. :X

[nottidelterrore]

And she handed him the padlock.

Still option D.

[The Dream Master]

And don't even get me started on how she buried his face in her snatch.

[nottidelterrore]

Nothing like a snatch airbag.

[Jack Bauer]

How does Megan have to do with Tommy and Amanda fighting? What's her role in this? Seriously. I mean Jason Voorhees was near seconds away from crushing her skull and killing her.

[The Dream Master]

Well, like I said, Tommy should be too busy banging Megan to even get involved with such a fight. It was a joke.

[Jigsaw]

This thread is just a hypothetical "What if?" scenario if these two characters ever met, that's all.

[The Dream Master]

I know what it is, and all I said was a joke, that's all.

[Jack Bauer]

Even still you making everything a joke TDM. How the fuck does Megan Garris fit into anything within a Tommy Jarvis and Amanda Young fight? Seriously. If its JL Tommy then I would understand, but Megan could be shot dead with one bullet from Amanda's gun, killing her. This is a fight that deals with all Tommys.

Back to the topic, Young Tommy would be nothing really, just someone who likes to play around and have fun. Teenager Tommy doesn't fuck around at all. And Older Tommy just warns people about Jason Voorhees and buys books about the occult. What's Young Tommy or JL Tommy going to do to Amanda?

[nottidelterrore]

Damn. Serious much?

I don't think DM or I are hurting this battle thread.

Calm down, dears. Sheesh.

[Jigsaw]

It is meant to be a serious thread, I started it with that intent. A couple of humorous remarks here and there are okay (like Dre's comment TFC Tommy asking for Amanda's number), but not to the degree the entire thread loses it's original intent.

[The Dream Master]

Believe it or not, I actually thought about this match up for about 30 seconds; then I just assumed that we're talking about where Tommy is now, and I assumed that to be some older dude that's hopefully happily settled down with a hopefully still-hot Megan, so I typed what I did.

But, I'll humor the situation: young Tommy shouldn't be a part of the equation because I don't see why Amanda would have any reason to harm him.

Then you've got Tommy from ANB, and I would actually think the two would have a lot in common, to be honest, what with both of them being just a bit unhinged emotionally.

[Jigsaw]

ANB Tommy Vs. Amanda is the most ideal match of all. TFC Tommy is too innocent and JL Tommy is too passive and not aggressive enough to last in a fight with Amanda.

[Jack Bauer]

At least JL Tommy was still somewhat of a psychotic. He murdered the Jason body in the beginning and surrounded himself in a lake of fire.

[Jigsaw]

If JL Tommy would be more aggressive and tough ala ANB, he could stand a better chance against Amanda. If anything, the ANB and JL Tommys are a deadly combination, with ANB Tommy being very impulsive and violence-prone yet passive, whereas JL Tommy is more proactive and determined.

[nottidelterrore]

I'll humor the situation

Apparently that's not allowed here since horror polls of who would win in a battle are serious business as are every other Amanda/Saw-related poll in this section. :rolleyes:

I agree with you about young Tommy not being an equation. I figured it was either Tommy post Jason Lives since that would be the current Tommy who has survived through everything.

[The Dream Master]

No mang, the interwebs in general are Serious Business. Jeansie told me so. :X

[Jack Bauer]

Apparently that's not allowed here since horror polls of who would win in a battle are serious business as are every other Amanda/Saw-related poll in this section. :rolleyes:
Oh, come on. We all know that Amanda Young is a modern horror icon who is the in leagues of Jason, Michael, and Freddy. She went from being this background character to full on villain. Not many characters do that often and actually succeed.

Hell, Jason Voorhees was like that too when he first started. He was just a background character until the squeal. And look how many threads there are with Jason in the poll. If anything he should be thanked for creating this background character phenomena.

[Jigsaw]

And we all have Tom Savini to thank for paving the way for Jason becoming as iconic as he has, since the ending of the original F13 was his idea in the first place :cool:

Even if he doesn't believe Jason exists in the films and thinks you're stupid for watching anything past the original :X

[nottidelterrore]

Oh, come on. We all know that Amanda Young is a modern horror icon who is the in leagues of Jason, Michael, and Freddy. She went from being this background character to full on villain. Not many characters do that often and actually succeed.

She isn't to me since I really don't give too many craps about the Saw films. I saw the first & thought it was decent. The same with the third. After I watched both, I didn't really look back.

I liked Shawnee Smith better when she was riding on Kevin Dillon's motorcycle while holding onto his tight jeans in The Blob remake.

[Jigsaw]

This isn't to debate Amanda being an iconic character or not, it's to debate the scenario the thread specifies.

[The Dream Master]

I liked Shawnee Smith better when she was riding on Kevin Dillon's motorcycle while holding onto his tight jeans in The Blob remake.

And don't forget her appearance on The X-Files, Notti.

We all know Duchov hit that shit too.

[Jack Bauer]

Then if you don't give a damn about the SAW films nottidelterrore, why post in a thread with a SAW character? I mean if there's a thread called Freddy vs. Scarecrow from the Batman comics I would post in there, but if there's a thread called Freddy vs. Batman I know not to post because it would be Batman winning somehow, even though he's just a man.

[nottidelterrore]

I'm a fan of Tommy Jarvis & the Friday the 13th movies.

[Jack Bauer]

True, but you don't have to friggin' bash the character you don't like just because you hate the character or films they were from. You have to be realistic about these versus polls. Know what I mean?

[nottidelterrore]

Oh ok. I just won't have an opinion & go along with the Amanda & Saw worship. I got it.

[Jack Bauer]

No, don't have to do that really. You just have voice your opinion on how Tommy would win and not turn bash the other character.

Hell, I love both characters but its a draw for me because they both could be beaten each other to bloody pulp but they'll go onwards.

[TheShowstoppa]

TFC, ANB, JL compared to Amanda = No one living.

Jason comes out of the cabin and dispatches both. (Seriously, Tommy is my most loved Character from the films, but I've been wanting to see him bite it. Kinda like Chris in the deleted scene from part 3.)

If it were a battle, it doesn't really matter. If we're saying they just went on a whim and started fighting, Amanda wouldn't have enough time to plot and do the machines. She's gonna be kinda screwed. Now, if guns were involved... Maybe a different story.

I think, other than maybe TFC Tommy getting within range, that it would be down to physical prowess, which, Amanda for her size has none unless she's sneaking up on a bitch.



And then there is Megan. Yes, them banging has a lot to do with this, because just like Jigsaw was portrayed in the movies as Amanda's teacher and HELPER, Megan would play a central part in taking her down. And GODDAMN would I love to see that cat fight! "Bitch, don't you know who I am? I'm the goddamn JIGSAW (in training)"

And considering that Amanda only went 2 films... She's no where near the likes of Jason, Freddy or Michael. Hell, I have money on The Tall Man being more iconic than Amanda.

[Demon]

I think Tommy Jarvis would destroy Amanda,because she would be to busy getting DR Becker his coffee

[Jigsaw]

Just because Amanda's been in only two films (more like three with one very iconic scene in the first Saw) doesn't diminish her iconic status. TFC was originally intended to be the final F13 and Jason was only in three movies by that point (as well as his cameo in the original), that did nothing to affect his iconic status.

The ways Amanda and Tommy could fight in the first place, who knows. Maybe Amanda finds out about Tommy and finds he isn't living the best life he can and is distant from his new family and maybe has even done something terrible in Amanda's eyes that warrants him deserving of being tested. She would take the time to design his trap or game, and then refine it so it's ready for him.

[DRE]

In all seriousness, I do believe Amanda could take Tommy in the very way she takes all her opponents, they never expect her to be a threat. ANY Tommy wouldn't stand a chance because he is lost in his own torment from that other iconic killer, he doesn't expect it.

The original Saw was sold on that iconic image of Amanda in the jaw splitter, you could show that to anyone of this generation and they will know it's Saw. So yes, Amanda Young is iconic in her own right. No one is saying she is Jason or Freddy, but she does have her place in Pop Culture as well.

[Jack Bauer]

Just because Amanda's been in only two films (more like three with one very iconic scene in the first Saw) doesn't diminish her iconic status. TFC was originally intended to be the final F13 and Jason was only in three movies by that point (as well as his cameo in the original), that did nothing to affect his iconic status.

The ways Amanda and Tommy could fight in the first place, who knows. Maybe Amanda finds out about Tommy and finds he isn't living the best life he can and is distant from his new family and maybe has even done something terrible in Amanda's eyes that warrants him deserving of being tested. She would take the time to design his trap or game, and then refine it so it's ready for him.

In all seriousness, I do believe Amanda could take Tommy in the very way she takes all her opponents, they never expect her to be a threat. ANY Tommy wouldn't stand a chance because he is lost in his own torment from that other iconic killer, he doesn't expect it.

The original Saw was sold on that iconic image of Amanda in the jaw splitter, you could show that to anyone of this generation and they will know it's Saw. So yes, Amanda Young is iconic in her own right. No one is saying she is Jason or Freddy, but she does have her place in Pop Culture as well.
Quoted for truth, just because many people don't believe in Amanda as being one doesn't mean she isn't a Horror icon. I mean I still believe in Harvey Dent, so why can't you believe in Amanda Young?

[sooners4life98]

Amanda didn't need jigsaw to help her out. I could have done that if you know what I mean. LOL!!!!!!

[TheShowstoppa]

Personally, when I think of Saw, I think of Jigsaw, not Amanda. Yes, I'm a fan of the series, but I don't think she's the Beeze Kneez. I'm just stating a matter of opinion.

The idea about her stalking out Tommy is a very interesting point. However, it would be a matter of coincidence on if they lived in the same town. If you look at the revolving nature of the franchise, John never ventured out of city (as far as I can tell.) I don't think she'd go out of her way to hunt down a guy who survived one of the pivitol horror icons.

As far as Tommy being relatively unstable, I think that gives him his greatest advantage. His torment through his first attack as a child led him to have the ability to do what he's done through the 3 films: hack Jason to Death, learn Kung Fu (joke), and finally, get the will power to tie the fucker down to the bottom of the lake. I think he would crack, much like he did in TNB and open a can on Amanda. Personally, I don't think stands much of a chance.

Also - Amanda had already been linked to the Jigsaw case. Therefore, no one would no longer not take her as a threat. She would always be looked upon as such.

[Jigsaw]

Maybe Tommy moved to the city after the events of Jason Lives and it's from there Amanda catches wind of him?

[TheShowstoppa]

Maybe Tommy moved to the city after the events of Jason Lives and it's from there Amanda catches wind of him?

Plausible, but once again, why would she stalk him out after the events he's been through not once but 3 separate times? I think he'd be pretty likely to live life as seen fit.

The only likely scenario would be if Tommy changed his name, which, after the events of part 6 is likely since he would almost be a wanted man.

[Jigsaw]

Maybe Tommy isn't being good with his life following Jason and isn't doing his best to appreciate it.

[nottidelterrore]

I don't think she's an icon. I don't really care what the masses say because my opinion about the topic is the only thing that really matters to me.

But what do I know? I'm not obsessed with the Saw series.

Nice to see Big T leading the polls right now. Go Tommy!

[DRE]

It is a matter of opinion, like you said. Has nothing to do with obsession sir.

[Demon]

Amanda will lure Tommy jarvis to the top of a barn,then tommy will shove her onto the spikes below. Bwaa

[Jigsaw]

Not if Amanda is cautious.

[Psychoticninja]

I say hands down Tommy Jarvis.

The Final Chapter -Young Tommy, its already ruled out that there's no reason for her to be after him

A New Beginning - Explosive, paranoid, kung-fu grip Tommy even though was very unstable during the movie, i think since its not Jason he's dealing with Amanda would get a world of hurt.

Jason Lives - Calmer portayed Tommy, a little wiser, not as aggressive, but still kicking ass all the same.

I'm not seeing how Amanda would take this one. The only possible way she would win is if she sneaks up on him in his apartment and he's completely unaware that someone is even after him and puts him into a trap. I don't think he'll be able to get out of any trap.

But, other than that scenario, Tommy hands down

[Jigsaw]

Amanda could have some sedatives on her ready for use when she tracks down Tommy and knocks him out with them.

[DRE]

I'd say anyone with surprise on their side has the clear advantage, and Amanda has that.

[Jigsaw]

Exactly, and we've seen over the course of Saw II and III that Amanda is more than skilled and efficient with surprise attack tactics, which give her a big advantage in any situation.

[Matt326]

Tommy Jarvis Would Win

[nottidelterrore]

This thread is so much better without constantly hearing how Amanda will find some way to defeat Tommy every time someone chooses Tommy & explains his way of defeating her.

[kiss_armyman1]

I went with Tommy!!! Then again If I were Tommy I would lose , because Id spend more time trying to bone Amanda than kill her lol!!!

[The Dream Master]

Psh... I'd take the JL-era Jennifer Cooke over Shawnee Smith any day of the week. :X

[The Tall Man]

Psh... I'd take the JL-era Jennifer Cooke over Shawnee Smith any day of the week. :X
I halfway would agree with that. But I would take The Blob-era Shawnee Smith over JL-era Cooke any ol' day of the week and twice on Sundays.

T.M.