WWE Monday Night RAW (7/12)

[Just Jeans]

Let's discuss RAW. How are you feeling about what's been going on? Good? Bad? Indifferent?

[Utellme]

James ive liked wresting for years but i think wwe is in trouble now.Also i heard another wrestler has passed away does anybody know who the wrestler is ?

Id like to know how wwe ratings are doing since the whole Benoit ordeal.Does anybody know or know where the ratings might be found

[Neighborhood Sniper]

IIRC ratings have taken a significant hit, the week after Vince "blew up" Raw pulled in a 4.1 but I think that last monday's RAW only managed to get a 3.4.
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A few general thoughts about the brand: the reign of Super Cena needs to end and it needs to end soon, after close to two years of having to see the chain gang soldier or whatever it is he calls himself on top of the foodchain I wouldn't care if Vince had to give a returning HHH the belt for the 11th time to get the strap off of John.

I love Melina and Maria, things sure have come a far way since the day of Chyna.

Bobby Lashley is still painfully dull to watch and the King Booker gimmick should've faded away last year, without the Mr. Kennedy pick RAW's draft would've been a disaster.

[Nancy Thompson]

IIRC ratings have taken a significant hit, the week after Vince "blew up" Raw pulled in a 4.1 but I think that last monday's RAW only managed to get a 3.4.
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A few general thoughts about the brand: the reign of Super Cena needs to end and it needs to end soon, after close to two years of having to see the chain gang soldier or whatever it is he calls himself on top of the foodchain I wouldn't care if Vince had to give a returning HHH the belt for the 11th time to get the strap off of John.

I love Melina and Maria, things sure have come a far way since the day of Chyna.

Bobby Lashley is still painfully dull to watch and the King Booker gimmick should've faded away last year, without the Mr. Kennedy pick RAW's draft would've been a disaster.


I like Bobby Lashley but he is dull to watch sometimes. and i think with Kennedy on raw it be good. Also i have been wanting to have a Kennedy/HH fued lol

[Special Killa B]

I've been watching WWF/E for 23 years and for the first time in my life I find it very difficult to sit and watch a complete match anymore. I don't know if it's because I love the old school wrestling that I loved watching or if it's because I have no interest in the current roster.

I remember when I looked forward to watching a PPV, it was the greatest thing, feuds would come to an end that developed for four to five months and it was very exciting. Now a days with what is it 15 PPV's in one year and a 40 dollar price a pop, it's just not exciting anymore.

WWE really needs to get focused again and go back to what made them famous or I don't see them making it to 2010. :-(

[kain4521]

Looks like Orton is the number one contender for the belt hopefully he will win because Cena as champion is getting really old.

[The Dark Vampire]

I don't know I really don't like Orton even if he is booked to win you know he will do something to screw it up a few days before Summerslam

[kain4521]

More than likely he will mess it up. I was hoping that next Mondays match between Lawler and Booker would be a winner takes the crown so that Booker can drop that gimmick. Of course I really don't see him losing that match.

[The Dark Vampire]

More than likely he will mess it up. I was hoping that next Mondays match between Lawler and Booker would be a winner takes the crown so that Booker can drop that gimmick. Of course I really don't see him losing that match.

No because it's obvious he will be King Booker bs King of Kings HHH at Summerslam

I think that could be winner takes the crown match if so I would expect HHH to win but in that case I would make next week winner takes the crown to but when HHH wins he gives Jerry his crown back

[kain4521]

No because it's obvious he will be King Booker bs King of Kings HHH at Summerslam

I think that could be winner takes the crown match if so I would expect HHH to win but in that case I would make next week winner takes the crown to but when HHH wins he gives Jerry his crown back

Thats true but will trips be ready for SS I know there have been some promos of him returning.

[The Dark Vampire]

I saw a promo what said HHH returns at Summerslam

[kain4521]

It will be good to have him back first he beats Booker then hopefully its on to being a champion again.

[X Marks the Spot]

Ending of RAW...fan-fucking-tastic!

*crosses fingers for repeat of SummerSlam 2004*

[Toejam]

I must be getting bored with wrestling, because Cena's current gimmick bores me.
The problem for me is that I dont want HHH or Orton as Champ either.
I would much rather have Cena turn Heel or give the belt to somebody new.
I probably wouldn't mind Orton as champ if I didn't know about his backstage antics.
I'm excited for HHH to come back, I just don't want him as champ.
Now that Shawn Michaels is gone the only person I really like is Mr. Kennedy.
Everybody else kind of floats between mildly interesting to irritating.

[The Dark Vampire]

- Dave Scherer is reporting that Jeff Hardy no showed last night's Raw without ever contacting anyone to say he wouldn't be there. He is in serious hot water right now and his job is in serious jeopardy. His program with Umaga has been scrapped and Umaga was turned face on last night't Raw.

- Scherer reports as well that Lashley is legitamitely hurt which is why they ran the angle on Raw last night where his shoulder was injured by Kennedy and his feud with Carlito was dropped with no explination. He has been experiencing pain in the shoulder since suffering an injury at Backlash in April. He saw Dr. Andrews in May but continued to work until this week when the injury got worse. Lashley is going to have his injury examined by Andrews in Birmingham tomorrow but he is hopeful that he won't need surgery.

- Mike Johnson is reporting that Triple H will actually make his return on the 8/13 Raw from Madison Square Garden.
Credit>Gerweck.net

Umaga face turn I watched it and I didn't see no face turn he just came down and beat the crap out of Santino Marella (again)

[Uncle Hoody]

I wonder if Matt has got any text messages about his dogs or physical address yet..

Dammit Jeff you were doing so great!!!! UGH!! you better be walking away for health reasons and not because you're cracked out.

[The Dark Vampire]

This marks the 2nd time the Summerslam Umaga match has been changed

[Denzil]

Credit>Gerweck.net

Umaga face turn I watched it and I didn't see no face turn he just came down and beat the crap out of Santino Marella (again)

Santino was being an ass to the ref, hence why Umaga beat the crap out of him.

[The Dark Vampire]

Santino was being an ass to the ref, hence why Umaga beat the crap out of him.

True but I just saw it as he was sticking up for Maria they should of at least had him deck the ref first.

But that still wouldn't explain why this monster who has been beating the crap out of everybody for over a year and has been Vince's lackey would give a shit about someone mouthing off to a ref hell he's decked a few ref's himself most likely including the one he helped out last night.

[Denzil]

Maybe it will be a gradual slow turn or he may just be a tweener at the moment

[Uncle Hoody]

Maybe he just wanted to go enjoy beating up on Santino some more. Heck, if he beat me just once the way he did, I'd not be satisfied with just one or two return beat downs. Umaga is just the territorial alpha male.

[The Dark Vampire]

Maybe he just wanted to go enjoy beating up on Santino some more. Heck, if he beat me just once the way he did, I'd not be satisfied with just one or two return beat downs. Umaga is just the territorial alpha male.
Yeah that's pretty much the way I saw it just that Umaga doesn't like Santino and will beat him up every time he sees him.

Add to that if that's the way they are going it would mean a heel turn for Santino which yes I agree looks like it's been hinted he's not a nice guy as he's been tricking Maria into spending the night with him whenever he loses.

But I just think it's a bit quick for a heel turn he's only been in the WWE for a few months
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I understand with Jeff not showing up they may of had to throw something together at literally the last minute but I think they could of just had someone else call umaga out and challenge him for the IC title at Summerslam
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JEFF HARDY UPDATE FROM LAST NIGHT'S RAW
by Dave Scherer @ 5:17:37 PM on 7/31/2007


Even though I clearly said on my hotline today not to speculate as to why Jeff Hardy wasn't at Raw last night that didn't stop some sites from doing exactly that and "crediting" us with the "story". For the record, Hardy did not no-show last night. He gave WWE notice that he wouldn't be there.

We will report more on this story as we confirm it.
Credit>PWInsider.com

Jeff Hardy's former band "Peroxwhygen" sent out a MySpace bulletin about Jeff's current condition.

JEFF OFF FOR TIME TO HEAL
This is an update from Jeff himself that I posted on thehardyshow.com forum.

Jeff sustained neck and back injuries from his fall on last weeks RAW (7/23/07). They (WWE) are giving him time off to heal.


Credit>Tamran, JeffNeroHardy.com & TheHardyShow.com andGerweck.net

[Denzil]

from www.f4wonline.com :

Raw on Monday night did a 2.5 rating (not a typo) with a 1.83 in males 18-49, a 1.99 in males 18-34, and 3.4 million viewers. Lowest Raw ratings since moving to USA, and the demo levels were 1/2 point lower than the previous lowest. Expect complete insanity.[quote]

from www.wrestleview.com:

[quote]This is down 26% from last week's rating, with key demographics being at its lowest since the "darkest days of early 1997" according to The Wrestling Observer.

[Kane Lives]

Man, a 2.5 is close to 2001 WCW numbers.

I don't like Santino at all. His whole set up of coming from the crowd and winning the IC Title was pretty bad IMO. Seeing him take a weekly beating isn't such a bad thing for me. lol

I missed RAW completely this week; I just forgot about it. This thread caught me up. I don't watch SD! anymore, so I'm out of it regarding what's going on there. All I know is Kahli has the World Title. ugh


I was really hoping Mr. Kennedy would face Cena for the title at Summer Slam. But, the nod went to Orton.

The rumor I've heard is that Orton is going to win the title at Summer Slam and at some point lose it to Triple H sometime after his return. I guess setting up a triple threat match between Triple H, Orton, and Cena at some point. If true, Orton being Champion again does nothing to excite me. However, I would rather see Triple H have it back than to see Cena continue to hang onto it. I'm getting rather tired of seeing him as the Champion.

[Toejam]

The Wrestling Observer
WWE officials were informed on Thursday by Nielsen Media Research that there was a technical issue affecting the listed ratings of several programs this week, including Monday Night Raw.

This explains the dramatic drop in the rating for Raw this week, dropping from a 3.4 last week to a 2.5. Details on a new "revised" rating has not been released at this point. If anything new is released, we will pass it along. Either way, WWE has been concerned about the lower number for the last three weeks for Raw so changes are still expected to take place.

[The Dark Vampire]

offical Raw Preview
This Monday night, live on Raw at 9/8 CT on USA Network, Mr. McMahon strikes back.

Also, when Raw went off the air last week, an infuriated WWE Champion John Cena was wiping apple and spit off his face and staring lasers into Carlito, who thanks to Randy Orton, got a pinfall victory over The Champ. The Caribbean Superstar, who had argued that he deserved to be the No. 1 contender to the WWE Championship, now seems to have further ammunition to his claim. But, will he have to feel the wrath of Cena, who could look for revenge for his humiliating defeat?

Will Cena have something in mind for Orton, who has taken pleasure in sending messages to the champion in the weeks before their SummerSlam showdown? Last week, Orton added another legend to his casualty list when he took Sgt. Slaughter to boot camp and hospitalized him with a punt to his cranium. What is Sarge’s medical update? And will yet another legend challenge Orton?

Another Superstar who made a powerful statement was Mr. Kennedy, who also wants to be recognized as the No. 1 contender to the WWE Championship. Kennedy did the nearly-impossible – put Bobby Lashley on the sidelines with a shoulder injury. How much will the loudmouth from Green Bay, Wis., boast about his latest conquest? And what is Lashley’s condition?

You can find out the answers to these questions and more by tuning in to Raw on Monday night at 9/8 CT on USA Network.


Credit>WWE.com


- When WWE received the 2.5 rating for Raw, there was real panic in Stamford, CT. According to Dave Meltzer, one of the ideas discussed during the week was to combine the rosters, and eliminate the tri-branded direction. At least, it was discussed, and either way, expect WWE to push the reset button on Monday night.

Credit>Gerweck.net

I wonder what they mean by press the reset button?

I would like to point out I actually like the split brands and saves from one wrestler from getting over exposed.

Take John Cena for example (who I don't mind been champ btw he gets a lot more shit thrown at him than he deserves)

But he would be beating everybody on 3 rosters instead of just one.

Could they pull a WCW and literally reset WWE back to the beginning strip all the champs of their titles stop all feuds maybe even go a step further.

If they keep the split mix up the rosters (I know draft lottery was just a few weeks ago) and I mean everybody is drafted like the first time they did it.

Maybe even end a few gimmicks and give the wrestler a entirely new gimmick and not mention their old gimmick ever again.

a few heel face turns maybe.


(note I did have more but that isn't about what may happen it was more about what should WWE do so I'll make a new tread for that)

[Uncle Hoody]

It is a bad idea to combine the rosters.

I like having Cena and the Raw crew one night a week, thanks. I like having Khali and the Smackdown crew ONCE a week, thanks.

And the ECW substitute, is what it is - one hour a week on sci-fi. Things are fine in a structural since. That's about it though.

[The Dark Vampire]

I think when some people ask for the brands to be merged back into one they forget it helps us see the matches and wreslers we want to see.

Without it we would never see Regal or Finley the CW devision would get even more shit on then it does now in fact I'm 99% sure they would of dropped the whole devision altogether if it wasn't for the brand split.

It helps new guys get over without it CM Punk would be lucky to of made it to dark matches never mind been one of the most over guys in WWE/ECW

a lot of internet favorites would be fired.

Instead of getting something diffrent we would get (if it was now)

Raw= Cena and Orton have a war of words perhaps some kind of tag match

ECW=Cena and Orton have a war of words perhaps some kind of tag match

SD=Cena and Orton have a war of words perhaps some kind of tag match

[Violent VictiM]

They need to stop panicking. Shows go through ratings dips all the time. If this is the first time in their illustrious run that they've been that low, wait till next week before you start talking pish posh about combining rosters. Which by the way is a terrible idea.

Who knows what could have happened last Monday? There could have been a summer festival in one state, a carnival in another, power outages to a few towns, etc etc. The WWE will be around til Shane's son comes and ruins it.

[The Dark Vampire]

True

There was a error in the ratings which made them look way worse than what they really were but still before that I read the ratings are the worse they have been in 10 years (but still often the number 1 -2 show on USA)

They expected a dip after The Benoit Tragedy but not this much.
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Damn forgot to put this it's not WWE anyway the head of the USA network has ORDERED WWE to do something and get more ratings

[CosmoBubba]

The WWE will be around til Shane's son comes and ruins it.

Or - maybe worst case? - Stephanie and HHH's kid.

[The Dark Vampire]

William Regal> Everything else

[Utellme]

WWE needs to a lot of help they need some characters real ones not steroid pumped freaks, Refer to Rowdy Piper Giants Andre, King Kong bundy etc real guys and real wrestlers.Teddy Hart why the WWE hasn't brought him up just is pure stupidy the guy is a Hart he can wrestle.

And these super heroes Cena and Lashley as champs and indestructable super heroes gets old and very worn out.

And create some good tag teams again

[The Dark Vampire]

Because Teddy Hart is a dick he's got a major attitude problem from what I've read he makes 90's HBK look like a monk.

Also Vince my god I thought he may of made a subtle jab a congress but that was 110% in your face and join the kiss my ass club.

But could this make this worse for Vinnie Mac was it really worth it as they could make this very difficult for WWE.
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There he goes again and

I.R.S

I'm loving tonight but I'm thinking as Vince genuinely been pushed over the edge

[Utellme]

Heres another example of a super hero Snitsky he use to be just a regular jobber now he shaves his head and he's superman no wonder there ratings are dropping.

And you might know of these 2 sites but these are some good wrestling web sites lordsofpain.net and obsessed with wrestling through a google search.

[The Dark Vampire]

obsessed with wrestling .
obsessed with wrestling has changed it's name and URL it's now known as Online World Of Wrestling
http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/
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BTW
Huey Lewis & The News got to love it

[Utellme]

The profiles section is sweet.And results is cool also.

[The Dark Vampire]

That was great

Spam

Nam

Scram

Ronnie was desperate not to laugh

Duggan>Well, one thing's for sure. "I won't call you HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" "

Regal>And somehow, he remains single

[Utellme]

Yeah that was funny I was waiting to see Hacksaw crack some heads with his 2x4 HOOOOOOOO!!!!

[CosmoBubba]

"What's wrong with you? Are you mildly retarded?" Santino pwn3d Jim Duggan right there.

[The Dark Vampire]

Vince>Keep that smile on your face

Can't wait for little Vinnie Mac to show up

[The Dark Vampire]

I wonder if Little Vinnie Mac will turn out to be someone on the roster or in OVW waiting to be called up?

They could easily play the gimmick that he became a wrestler to get closer to Vince

[Mutant Leprechaun]

WWE is handling Umaga's face/tweener turn very well IMO, I only hope this doesn't result in an Abyss/Sting type feud.
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Also a few people have the idea that the son could be Cody Rhodes or Mr. Kennedy.

[The Dark Vampire]

True after all in real life it would be possible that Dusty introduced his wife to Vince back in the 80's and they got along real well.

But what I don't understand is why would he get served when his offspring is now an adult it made it sound more like the it's still a child.

Also a few people have come up with don't forget the incest angle Vince wanted to do with Steph and say baby Aurora is really his.

Maybe to get the ratings back they really are going for controversy creates cash and ratings (and wouldn't that make sense that the child in question is from Connecticut)

Please note I DO NOT WANT THAT ANGLE TO HAPPEN

[Mutant Leprechaun]

Nah, I doubt it's the incest angle, that doesn't really fit with the whole Court Summons for a Paternity suit idea... if it were Stephanie I'm sure they would've had her do the angle in person. Your father also being the father of your child isn't exactly something people rush to the courts to get Summons about.

Not to mention Vince has probably learned his lesson from the whole Katy Vick fiasco (hence why the incest angle was dropped the first time).

[The Dark Vampire]

It was nothing to do with Katie Vick


Vince really wanted to do it but Steph flat out refused (to which he said how about Shane as the dad then) and was in fact pissed off Vince even thought of it.

But now ratings are down (the lowest since 97) she may of changed her mind.

Don't forget you would admit it in real life but this is WWE

[Mutant Leprechaun]

It was nothing to do with Katie Vick Yeah I'm just saying that Vince may have learned a lesson about involving shit like Necrophelia and incest in storylines. Vince really wanted to do it but Steph flat out refused and was in fact pissed off Vince even thought of it.If that is true then Vince needs his head examined. I was never too into the dirt sheets until recently so I never heard about details, I just heard in passing on other messageboards of an incest storyline, and in a few arguments the failure of Katy Vick was attributed to why the storyline never came to be. Sorry for that. But now ratings are down (the lowest since 97) she may of changed her mind. I have to say I doubt it, you don't just change your mind with an issue like this (especially when you consider the child will be involved).

[The Dark Vampire]

Well at least it's not out of continuity with all the diva's and you can say other woman Vince ( in character) has had it would only be a matter of time before the patter of tiny McMahon power toddle

[Uncle Hoody]

I just want to say that tonight's segments while funny, took away from wrestling.

I enjoyed the dating game, make no mistake about it. But come on, that's something a couple of friends could do for film class and upload to youtube.

I really don't like the way they turned Umaga face.

The battle royal was enjoyable but did anyone for a moment think anyone but Regal would take it? And didn't Edge pull the same thing recently?

I hate to sound like a pessimist. I really enjoyed tonight. But it still lacked substance.


MAJOR props for the Rotunda cameo though.

[The Dark Vampire]

I actually thought Cody would win and hand over the GM possession to Dusty

[Hellraiser 666]

I simply can't believe that this show is getting such a positive reaction across the internet. Personally, I think that this might have been the worst episode of Raw I've ever seen in my life. I just hope to God that my initial instinct of HHH being Vinces son doesn't come anywhere near my television screen.

[The Dark Vampire]

Vince's son is (possible spoilers)

The story written prior to the Benoit tragedy had a current Raw superstar being revealed as Vince McMahon's "illegitimate child." Believe it or not, at that time, the plan was to reveal Mr. Ken Kennedy as Vince's "son." Yes, Kennedy. The plan may have changed, but that was the storyline worked out as of a few months ago.

Credit> www.gerweck.net

[Mutant Leprechaun]

Vince's son is (possible spoilers)



Credit> www.gerweck.net I actually wouldn't mind that happening. And it's miles ahead of any incest storyline at least.

[The Dark Vampire]

Another Child Of Vince update


Recent Reports have stated that Mr. Kennedy would be named Vince's illegitimate son. Contrary to those reports, GERWECK.NET has received reports indicating that the illegitimate child would in fact be a daughter. This would meld perfectly with Vince's tirade about Stephanie's Sob Story Angle that Vince touched on last Monday's Broadcast.


Credit> www.gerweck.net

[Kane Lives]

Personally, I think that this might have been the worst episode of Raw I've ever seen in my life.


I didn't like it much either.

That Dating Game segment was pretty brutal IMO, and once again it seemed like Vince was onscreen every other segment. Another Cena vs. Umaga main event didn't do much to enhance the show either IMO. But, the Umaga face turn is at least a little interesting to me. I've grown tired of him as a heel recently. The Battle Royal IMO was the best part of the show I thought.


About Vince's new "Son" : If it does turn out to be Mr. Kennedy, then I'll be pretty happy. Since, hopefully he'll get a big push out of it. I just wish it could happen without the rub from Mcmahon.

I really hope they don't reveal it to be Triple H. ugh

[The Dark Vampire]

To be honest I liked it the dating game gave Regal's humor a chance to shine (from what I know not much of his funny stuff is written and he just wings it)


Vince was just having fun or just showing how pissed off he is at everyone blaming him for this whole Benoit stuff but I do think this "fun" could come back to bite him in the ass.

Yes the actual wrestling this week sucked I admit that and 9 times out of 10 in fact 99-100 I would say I wanted more wrestling less talk and BS but this week i don't know I just liked it.

A few big things did happen

1) After a year and 3 quarters we finally got a new GM (don't forget we were susposed to get one a few weeks after Eric went bye bye)

2) double turn from Umaga and Santino.

Spoiler from how this Child Of Vince storyline MAY go

If they go with the Mr Kennedy idea then it is planed for Vince to acknowledge on screen that HHH is his son in law and then Mr Kennedy and HHH will feud


HHH may be reviled on screen either way which maybe a good idea and about time it's not like nobody knows in fact more people know than don't know even the marks and people who don't have a PC or read insider news know hell even my mum knows

[Denzil]

Thank god we finally sorted out the GM situation. I'm liking the fact that William Regal is going to be a goofy heel in this role, he is a very funny guy.

[The Dark Vampire]

If Mr Kennedy is reviled to be Vince's son it could be good but what happens when the storyline is over?

While it will be good for him while it's happing once Vince gets bored of it then it could hurt his career as all he ever will be remembered as is the illegitimate son of Vince

[The 5th Golden Girl]

I thought RAW was terrible last week. I can't believe it got such positive reviews from reviewers/fans. I thought the whole "Dating Game" segment was just as horrible as "Cryme Tyme sells boots" from the previous RAW. I might, and that's a big "MIGHT," have giggled at one or two things from the Dating Game segment if it was a video on YouTube or an extra video on WWE.com, but it had NO place on Monday Night RAW, especially when the company is trying to bring the ratings back up.

[Uncle Hoody]

I love Cryme Time. They remind me of a bunch of guys I was in college band with in every way. Bunch of fun loving guys that do really crazy things except they didn't steal boots. But their timing and personalities just shine. I look at JTG and he's constantly got a smile on his face. I feel like we're seeing a guy who is just living his dream. Mind you he's only 23 and Shad is almost 26. They're relatively young guys in wrestling and already getting good reactions.

It's not their fault the segments have run a little long. They're a lot of fun.

[Hellraiser 666]

Maybe it's just me, but I really think if they are that concerned about ratings they should have named Stone Cold the new GM of Raw. He would have been miles more entertaining than Regal in my opinion.

[The Dark Vampire]

I totally disagree I find Regal way more entertaining than Stone Cold

Regal is one of most underrated wrestlers in history and his humor his just fantastic he's by far the funniest guy in pro wrestling ever after he retires he could make a great comedian or comedy actor

[Mutant Leprechaun]

Maybe it's just me, but I really think if they are that concerned about ratings they should have named Stone Cold the new GM of Raw. He would have been miles more entertaining than Regal in my opinion. No, Regal has always been better in an authority figure role than Stone Cold ever has. Besides Stone Cold's first run as GM didn't go too well IMO (probably has something to do with that smegging awful Kane storyline where the mask was taken off).

Although it would've been great to see what Sandman could have done in the role (at least it would draw more attention to his charisma than his shitty wrestling skills).

[Uncle Hoody]

Maybe it's just me, but I really think if they are that concerned about ratings they should have named Stone Cold the new GM of Raw. He would have been miles more entertaining than Regal in my opinion.

I think the E is in a position right now where they needed a GM with not too much 'dirt' on him. Regal has had his problems, but he's over come them. Austin the character - and Austin the person from Victoria, Texas - both have not shown (publicly that I can tell) to no longer be a misogynistic, beer chugging, ill tempered, mad man.

We've just lost a wrestler that killed his wife (and son) and we're going to have a GM who has a record of beating his wife, and heavily drinking on screen? And even if the E never acknowledges the spousal abuse, you have to remember, Debra *IS* ready and willing - and has been - spewing anti -Steve Austin gospel all over the cable news circuit. Right now at this moment that is just not a stance Vince and Company want to take. Austin may equal ratings in the short term but the effects that would linger could potentially be not so great.

I'll go ahead and say it. Maybe they see Austin as someone more likely to pull a Benoitesque thing and they don't want it to happen while he's under contract to them. The following is a statement for another thread, but since it's Austin/Raw related I'll drop it here. If on that fateful Monday, the screen would have popped up "In Memory of Steve Austin" and it was Austin that took out his family and then himself, how many wrestling fans with an internet connection would have been surprised?

I think now, more than ever, they realize what a liability the man is. I won't lie. If I was at a live show, and I'm being subjected to a VKM suckfest match, and the glass sound hit followed by his music, I probably would pop like a teenage mark in 1998. But once hindsight and retrospect hit me, I'd tell myself "dude, no. It's just wrong." The man is entertaining, no doubt about it. But he has more baggage than a divorced woman with many kids and she wants to date you. You know the problems you THINK you'll have, and then you discover more problems than that.

[Violent VictiM]

This RAW was so drenched with segments and horrible matches that I too am shocked that I liked it.

As for Regal being the GM, I think it's a great idea. I remember when him and Tajiri used to go back and forth, that was some funny shit. I still think Austin would be a great GM, even in light of what happened. A beer swilling, wife beater is still different then a suicidal, homicidal roid head. They are two completely different people, and it's unfair to lump them into the same category. Debra to my knowledge is the only chick that Stone Cold hit, so maybe it was just a one time mistake.

The Sandman has been pounding 'em back for years, and has kept his nose clean. :confused:

[The Dark Vampire]

No it was reported he assaulted his last wife to (he got remarried after Debra and has got divorsed from her to due to domestic abuse)

While they are different things the media will still jump on it like a starving man on a burger

[Denzil]

It was great holding back Triple H's first appearance for Summerslam. A lot of internet fans were convinced that Triple H was going to appear on this weeks RAW. Even i was concerned that they would hotshot it, however they actually booked the ending of the King Booker vs Jerry "The King" Lawler feud quite well.

When Jerry refused to crown him and said that you will facing this man at SS and the music video played, hearing the fans go nuts then start booing was great. Means that even though they are pissed not to see Triple H, they will probably pay to see it.

The beat down on Lawler was pretty cool as well.

WWE please don't put Triple H on Raw on Monday!

[The Dark Vampire]

Monday night was a test run to see how Lawler and Tazz would do as a team, and some people were impressed. Neither Ross nor Tazz were told. Vince has been wanting to split up Ross and Lawler for some time, feeling the combo is "too Southern", and Kevin Dunn is strongly against it. If it's made permanent, Lawler would join Joey Styles in ECW, and occasionally work matches there as well. Dusty Rhodes really wants Lawler on ECW. Lawler and Ross are really tight and would not be happy with that change.
Credit>Figure 4 Weekly Newsletter

[Toejam]

I miss the old days when the Announce team were not best buddies.
Usually the color commentator was slanted toward Heel, and the play-by-play announcer was slanted toward Face. I would say out of all three shows, only JBL is really slanted towards Heel (and not enough in my opinion.) Tazz occasionally make possitive comments about the Heels, Lawler rarely does anymore.
When Heyman replaced Lawler(in 2001) it was a breath of fresh hair.
Ross had to be on his "A" game because Heyman just wouldn't agree with him.

Bobby Heenan was probably my favorite color commentator.

[Special Killa B]

Bobby Heenan was probably my favorite color commentator.

Bobby Heenan was the God of color commentating!

[NW77]

Bobby Heenan was the God of color commentating!

You're damn right he is. He & Gorilla were the best in commentating, since Heenan was the heel & Gorilla the face. That what made it fun when you have one who support the heel & the other support the face.

[Kat]

I liked it when McMahon and Lawler called the shots :D

[The Dark Vampire]

Raw spoilers are up and places like PWinsider are putting who wasn't there/is suspended in the same thread so if someone doesn't care about spoilers can they please provide a list of who is suspended without giving away any results

The result I'm 99.99% sure about is
Umaga dropping the IC Tilte to Jeff

[Toejam]

Mr. Kennedy, Umaga, and Regal all appear on Raw
but,
Minor spoilers
are written out of their current storylines

Major spoilers
Regal gets destroyed by Cena, Vince tells Coach "it is time to step up again" so it looks like Regal is gone for awhile.

Umaga loses the IC title to Hardy, then later gets a sledgehammer to the head from HHH, so he is probably gone also.

Mr. Kennedy reveals himself to be McMahon's son, only to be interrupted by a man claiming to represent the woman who gave birth to Vince's son. The man claims its a male on the roster but the DNA test shows its not Mr. Kennedy.
Vince then makes Mr. Kennedy wrestle Cena, and he gets whooped.
So, Mr. Kennedy may very well be done for now.



Randy Orton is not suspended. His match for Unforgiven is revealed.

If Mr. Kennedy is suspended, which I believe he is, who will be Vinces Son?

[The Dark Vampire]

About Orton I did say in another thread he did buy the drugs online but has already admitted and served his punishment months ago.

I think he felt/knew it was going to come out sooner or later so he fessed up.

[Toejam]

Info on other wrestlers who are are suspects of being suspended:

Charlie Haas appears on Raw, in a tag match.
King Booker does not make an appearance.






Suddenly, Raw is running low on Heels,
Time for Carlito to step up.


Seriously, it looks like the top three Heels on Raw will be
Orton,
Carlito,
and
Snitsky! yikes!

[The Dark Vampire]

I've heard that King Booker may be the main eventer who is rumored to be getting fired

[Denzil]

About Orton I did say in another thread he did buy the drugs online but has already admitted and served his punishment months ago.

I think he felt/knew it was going to come out sooner or later so he fessed up.

Smart move by Orton. Makes a change, everyone would of been expected him to be on the receiving end of a suspension.

[X Marks the Spot]

My god...did you guys see Carlito tonight?

Looks like he got into a fight with a weed whacker.

[The Dark Vampire]

I must admit I liked the way Jeff won as it didn't take away from Umaga been unstoppable at all as all what happened is Jeff got lucky as about a nanosecond after the 3 count Umaga launched Jeff half way into space
ADDED:
Also far it looks like Umaga is gone Regal is gone and maybe Santino

[kain4521]

I will miss Regal as GM hopefully they will keep Coach's roll to a minimum cause that guy is annoying.

[The Dark Vampire]

I'm almost sure as soon as the 30 days is over Regal will be back on screen as the Raw GM.

[NW77]

I'm almost sure as soon as the 30 days is over Regal will be back on screen as the Raw GM.

Yep. Many wrestlers are only suspended for quite that long, so they will be back when the time is up & they stay clean. And I thought Carlito's new haircut look funny.

[The Dark Vampire]

Guess Mr Kennedy is gone.

If they really wanted him I don't know why they just couldn't of waited for the big revile only thing I can thin of is they didn't want to appear to be rewarding him with the biggest storyline after buying illegal drugs.

[Toejam]

The crowd wanted it to be Mr. Kennedy, they were pretty into it.
I liked Cena destroying Regal,and
Carlito's haircut looked weird.

[Uncle Hoody]

So Vince's son is Sabu?


from another board - and I'm sorry for the crudeness


"Things are looking up".


I think Vince's son is going to be Jesus Christ, meaning Vince McMahon is in fact God.

I'm totally serious. I think this will happen.

[The Dark Vampire]

BTW did the end look stupid to anyone else?

That guy came on and said he was "The Mothers" attorney and the paternity test was in and Mr Kennedy wasn't the son but as "The Mothers" attorney shouldn't he know who it is anyway without even having to look at a paternity test

[Toejam]

That was a little messed up but I think what he meant was

The paternity test was positive so the woman's son is indeed also McMahon's, and he was clarifing that it wasn't Mr. Kennedy.
But it was rushed and the dude wasn't a very good actor.

[The Dark Vampire]

Yeah maybe that was it.

He should just of said to Kennedy "You are NOT my clients son"

It's just so much bad luck

[Nancy Thompson]

Carlito's new haircut looks freaking funny as hell! i was laughing my ass off it durning the whole match. I am shock Triple H did not bust out laughing. I knew if i was in the ring i would not be able to wrestle because i would be laughing my ass off at Carlito new haircut LMFAO

[The Dark Vampire]

Been as his hair was such a big part of his character I’m surprised they didn’t have him lose a hair match (I know there was one at WM23)

Unless something happened to his hair in real life and he had to get it cut.

[The Dark Vampire]

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/6817/dsc00150oy6ti8.jpg
- Paul London & Brian Kendrick defeated Lance Cade & Trevor Murdoch to win the WWE World Tag Team titles in Capetown, South Africa
Credit>Gerweck.net

[Denzil]

They'll probably drop them back to Cade & Murdoch before RAW.

[The Dark Vampire]

I think that's very likely as WWE.com still has Cade & Murdoch as Tag Team champions

If they don't I can only assume this is Cade & Murdoch's punishment for their role in the Cryme Tyme thing

[The Dark Vampire]

Can anyone see them doing a cop out and have the son been reviled as Shane and them just saying something like Vince and Linda wasn't legally married when he was born?

[kain4521]

Maybe its Coach for the past two weeks he has been talking about stepping up.

[The Dark Vampire]

I thought HHH was going to bust a nut in the end he was laughing so hard.

I liked the way they almost reveled that HHH is married to Steph.

As I said in the other thread I think it will turn out HHH set this up and Kennedy will be the real son

[Denzil]

I thought HHH was going to bust a nut in the end he was laughing so hard.

I liked the way they almost reveled that HHH is married to Steph.

That was very funny.

[The Dark Vampire]

2yE_BN9XVGA&NR=1

Now the only possible pay off is if we were to get (well the pay off I want)
m3NeYu0Rv0A

Here is some clues to who it could be
Chris Jericho Return? Subliminal Video On Raw


Written by: Marty 'Halo' Holmes - September 25th, 2007

Last night on Raw a short subliminal video aired and can be viewed here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amhrHgD7Fs0

Many believe it to be hints at the return of Chris Jericho. The video is in a very similar style and color scheme to Y2J's entrance video and it also features a 'countdown' as well. Here are clues/words/filenames that are seen on the video that back up this theory (some are a far stretch but others quite realistic):

WWE_CD4_1 --- On WWE Music Volume 4 track 1 is Jericho's "Break the Walls Down" theme.

WM00_MATCH --- Jericho wrestled at WM 2000 against Benoit and Angle, where he won the European Title.

WM99_MATCH --- Austin/Rock main event, the two people Jericho beat to become Undisputed Champion.

RAW_REV_MAY2.action --- Jericho defeated Benoit for the Intercontinental title on May 2, 2000 in Richmond, VA, during the "Smackdown" television taping.

SMACK_BROUGHT1 -- In 2005, Cena was the #1 Draft Pick from Smackdown to Raw -- Who interviewed him first...thats right, "Y2J" Chris Jericho. Or could it be when he first joined, he "brought the Smackdown" to the Rock in his promo.

Another thing during the flashing text -- /shara/catman/a_man/cat1 comes up. -- Now that relates a cat to a man with the catman reference -- could it be a clue to Jericho's old "Lionheart" gimmick

Next one -- JAKKED_BROLL --- Anyone remember WWE Jakked? Broll could be interpreted as Brawl -- one Jakked main event was a triple threat match for the Undisputed Championship -- Kurt Angle vs The Rock vs Chris Jericho

RAW_REV_MAY2.action also came up -- which gets people looking back through previous dates trying to see what happened on May 2nd. Well ill tell you -- On May 2nd, 2000 -- an Intercontinental Title match between Chris Benoit, and yes you guessed it...Chris Jericho -- and Y2J won the title from Benoit following a title shot to Benoit.

/usr/share/insight/library/SG1_bookshelves/Help: An often repeated picture of Jericho from circa 1999 or 2000 showed Jericho at home standing in front of bookshelves which had a bunch of videotapes, CDs, and other items. One of the movies was “Stargate” which has a spinoff series called “Stargate: SG1”.

SURVIVOR_RF could mean to one of his old Ring Names that was Last Survivor.
CHAMP_HARD well he was a hardcore champ when he was wrestling.
RAW_WAR_BUMPER he was in the old raw is war opening vid. http://youtube.com/watch?v=3Sx0offLU6I for the titantron
KOR_Qualify13_60 could mean where he was in the wwf triple threat at king of the ring 2001
RAW_DOUBLE_FIN could mean he had 2 main finishers the walls of jericho and the lionsault

The SAVE_US.222 is the most prominent part of the video. 2:2 Verse 2 in the Bible mentions 'The King Of Jericho'.

Jericho has also kept Monday's free during his book signing tour. And another interesting point, when Jericho first debuted in the WWF in 1999 his gimmick was "To Save The WWF".

This may be people reading too far into the video, but what ever it is it has certainly got the IWC buzzing.


credit>wrestling-edge.com

I certainty agree some of them just seem to be clutching at straws.

Also if you listen to the save us "" about 17 seconds in a voice says says----I'm Back----

Thing is IMO WWE needs Y2J now the save us is true

[Antonynz]

My friend is a WWE vet. He watched it from 1988 to 2003.
He said he saw RAW last night and said it was a disgrace. Nothing like it use to be.

Storylines are bad, Wrestling matches are bad. It sucks.
I think they are going very bad atm.

[The Dark Vampire]

My friend is a WWE vet. He watched it from 1988 to 2003.
He said he saw RAW last night and said it was a disgrace. Nothing like it use to be.

Storylines are bad, Wrestling matches are bad. It sucks.
I think they are going very bad atm.

They are going through bad times at the moment they have just had to suspend at least 10 guys (about half of them are main event guys) and change 2-3 major storylines because of that.

And the Benoit thing has really made the smeg hit the fan.

While all fans agree it's not what it was at the moment most are giving then a chance as they are doing the best they can.

[ChoKo]

To be fair, the WWE has been lacking for a lot longer than all this steroid/Benoit shit has been going on.

World Wrestling Entertainment hasn't been about wrestling since 2003, and it hasn't been entertaining since then, either.

[Spade]

So true ChoKo. Couldn't of said it better myself.

[Kane Lives]

World Wrestling Entertainment hasn't been about wrestling since 2003, and it hasn't been entertaining since then, either.


Yeah, that basically sums up how I've felt about WWE for the past several years.

[The Dark Vampire]

Main stream Wrestling as a whole is in a slump not just the normal slump but one brought on by bad storylines and angles TNA is even worse and I did give it another chance.

ROH is still good as is most of the Japanese stuff CMLL is going strong and I do like the British stuff but even all of those need help at the moment

WWE needs to pull it's finger out true but so does TNA and a lot of other places.

[ChoKo]

Wrestling IS in a slump, I agree.

As far as TNA goes, I think their wrestlers are ten times better than the WWE's, which, at the end of the day, is all that matters to me. It's true, TNA's production values need work, but their in-ring stuff is second to none. The only thing WWE "superstars" do is throw punches and do lame-ass comedy skits. (With the exception of a few) That's NOT wrestling, IMO.

(This is coming from a WRESTLING fan, not a Sports Entertainment fan. I grew up watching WRESTLING. I.E: Old School NWA.)

The bottom line is: WWE needs to focus more on wrestling and less on theatrics and, maybe then, they'll get their fans back. This all depends on them pushing the right guys and getting Vince to have the fucking balls to take himself off TV for once.

In any event, I'm looking forward to seeing Jericho again, if indeed he IS returning. Maybe that will change things for the better. If they don't feed him to John Cena. (Who is the modern version of Hulk Hogan.)

If you can honestly say that TNA's wrestling is worse than WWE's, then you're stuck in mark-ville for life. WWE has the production values, but TNA has the talent.

[The Dark Vampire]

and getting Vince to have the fucking balls to take himself off TV for once.
He tried he blew himself up and if it wasn't for all the crap what went down (Benoit) and the fact the boss of the USA Network ordered him back to TV the plan was for him to stay dead until about WM24


If you can honestly say that TNA's wrestling is worse than WWE's, then you're stuck in mark-ville for life. WWE has the production values, but TNA has the talent.

I agree TNA wrestling is better when it come to in ring action (the X devision is not what it was) but I hate the fact Joe who is a trematodes wrestler has become Kurt Angles personal bitch all that build up of Joe going over everybody for nothing right now Joe hasn't singed his new contract as it runs out soon and he has plans to go to WWE.

As far as style goes I was brought up on classic British style with 3 minute rounds and 2 falls 2 submissions or 1 KO and I prefer that all the live events I attend go with that style.


And as far as Cena's year long title reign is concerned I like it as whoever beats him will get the rub.

I prefer that to the attitude era where you got a new champion every 2-4 weeks.

[ChoKo]

He tried he blew himself up and if it wasn't for all the crap what went down (Benoit) and the fact the boss of the USA Network ordered him back to TV the plan was for him to stay dead until about WM24

Even with Vince off of TV, with the death angle, he'd still be the main focus of the fucking show. They'd go on about "who killed him" for months. His presence needs to be gone completely.

I hate the fact Joe who is a trematodes wrestler has become Kurt Angles personal bitch all that build up of Joe going over everybody for nothing right now Joe hasn't singed his new contract as it runs out soon and he has plans to go to WWE.

Whatever. Kurt and Joe have had some amazing matches together. I wouldn't exactly call Joe Kurt's "bitch," after all, Joe HAS beaten Kurt before. Even when Kurt won the match, he still put Joe over.

Hate on Kurt all you want, but he's an amazing performer. Did you see how he put over Jay Lethal CLEANLY at the last PPV? Don't let your blind hate for him get in the way of common sense.

And if you're waiting for Joe to go to the WWE, don't hold your breath. He denounced that rumor a month ago and has said that the only reason he's not signing an extension right now is so they'll offer him more money. He has almost a year left on his TNA contract. He even went so far as to say "I'm Samoa Joe, and you can watch me wrestle Thursday nights on Spike TV."

And as far as Cena's year long title reign is concerned I like it as whoever beats him will get the rub.

It's not the year-long reign that bothers me, it's the guy holding the title. And, please, don't bring up Cena's OVW move-set. I've seen it, and even then he wasn't that great. It was better than his current move-set, for sure, but he wasn't the Dean Malenko that everyone says he was.

[The Dark Vampire]

Joe only denounced the bit where he said he would go for less money if the money is right he would go.

Oddly enough in real life he's once of Cena's best friends they trained together and became close pal's

I don't hate Kurt I think he is a great wrestler one of the very best the world has ever known but the fact his body is a wreck worries me I seriously want him to retire or take time out for his own good as I can see himself dying in the ring or becuase of not getting out when he should of.

I honestly think he should of done a HBK and took 3-4 years out hell 2 could of done to heal his body back to 100% or as close as possible

I do think he's lost the plot recently I worry about his mental state and even you must admit all this talk of MMA should go nowhere his body just can't take it.

I also don't like the fact he held every championship at the same time 2 titles that's fair enough but all of them is wrong no matter who it is if WWE did it with Undertaker I would feel the same way.

[Antonynz]

Na its not the Injuries man, WWE just not good any more.

They only push wrestlers becuase little kids like them. Like Randy Orton, John Cena, CM Punk, Bobby Lashly.
But dont push other wrestlers becuase they are "Ugly or not cool" like Kane,Shelton and alot more.

WWE has become a very watered down product. They have gone such a long way since the 80s.
But its now the 0s. And in the 0s we cant have wrestlers like John Cena walking around.

Vince just does not care any more. We have booed vinces No1 face every single week. (john cena )
But he just blks his ears and tells us to F-Off. He doesnt care if we hate John Cenas title run.

WWE has been in a slump starting 2002. 2005 and on were the worste.

1993-1997 were better than the way it is now.

TNA and ROH are not to much better...
TNA coppies WWEs bling bling entertainment style. And the 6 sided ring is a bloody joke.
Get rid of the stupid lazers.
Get rid of the 6 sided ring.
And lets see some good old sport like wrestling. Try and coppy WCW Nitro. Not WWE Raw.

I miss warzone, Nitro, RAW IS WAR!


i spend alot of time talking about wrestling on youtube... http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=Spamfrwdchainkiller

[The Dark Vampire]

I cann see where your coming from with Randy Orton & Bobby Lashly as I highly dislike them both and yes I see your point with John Cena

But CM Punk it's not just kids who like him the IWC love the guy he is just about the on 1 internet darling even the smarkest of smarks wet their pants for him hell I like him almost as much as I do Undertaker.

[Antonynz]

I cann see where your coming from with Randy Orton & Bobby Lashly as I highly dislike them both and yes I see your point with John Cena

But CM Punk it's not just kids who like him the IWC love the guy he is just about the on 1 internet darling even the smarkest of smarks wet their pants for him hell I like him almost as much as I do Undertaker.


ECW is a joke. It needs to be dumped.
I think CM punk should be pushed to main event one day.
Like world Champoin of WWE.

Kids like him.
Girl like him.
Adults and real fans like him.
And he has skills.

[The Dark Vampire]

Save US 222 freeze frame reveals a name

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuiHyDwHMNk

edit it's a fake

[Special Killa B]

Is it just me or does anyone else think that Steve Austin is going to make a surprise appearance sometime soon considering it's been three weeks in a row now that Santino has disrespected The Rattlesnake. I'm hoping he does appear because I can't stand Santino and I hope he gets his ass handed to him.

[The Dark Vampire]

I don't know but I don't mind Santino now he's a heel as a face he sucked more than a Nympho at a gang bang but as a heel I find him funny.

[ChoKo]

Expect Austin to show up and confront Marella soon. I've heard rumors that he'll be back as soon as Monday.

You never know.

[Antonynz]

Well if he did or y2J it will not fix RAW.
I love those wrestlers. They are some of the best in the world. But just them alone will not magicly fix the bad writers, bookers ect.
But i still cant wait for them.

[ChoKo]

I agree. The WWE needs to get rid of a lot of dead weight. Personally, I think the WWE is beyond repair.

[The Dark Vampire]

I don't really care for Austin to be honest I'd prefer if it he never came back.

[NW77]

I hope Jericho come back. I'm a big fan of his. Not to mention I love his trash talk. How can you not love the word "assclown"? :lol: :lol:

[ChoKo]

Jericho is one of the best talkers in the history of the business.

[Antonynz]

I don't really care for Austin to be honest I'd prefer if it he never came back.

Why?
Did you watch the WWF in the 90s?

[The Dark Vampire]

I've been watching since about 1990 but I don't like his alcoholic gimmick I don't think that is a good role model to kids I dislike The Sandman gimmick for the same reason plus the real life stories about him have made me dislike him.

I agree his great in the ring and on the mic that's not in question at all

[ChoKo]

I was never a big fan of Austin's WWF stuff. Personally, I liked him better in WCW; He had some great matches there. Such as the stuff he did with Ricky Steamboat, and when he formed the Hollywood Blondes with Brian Pillman.

He had some good matches in the WWF; his matches with Bret Hart, Owen, The Rock, Chris Jericho, and Triple H were all great but, overall, his WWF in-ring stuff wasn't all that great. He was always great on the mic.

[Antonynz]

Well i loved Steve Austin in the WWF.
But his new lame as "come in, raise hell, leave" thing is so lame. They are just trying to make money and get ratings from a time and era that is dead.
Lets face it WWE. I dont care how many times he stuns Vince. Or how many times he drinks beer to promote a movie.
Big deal.
But dude.. Back in the day. Stone cold was the man.

[Deathscythe]

Yeah Stone Cold was awesome. I remember when he lost the title to Kane and won it back the very next Raw, that was awesome.

[ChoKo]

Kennedy, Umaga, and Regal should be returning Monday. I've missed Kennedy. I'm a big fan of him.

[The Dark Vampire]

Me to pity heScrewed up his son of Vince storyline but I have a feeling they may still run with that sooner or later

[The Dark Vampire]

While we know what Save_US 222 means and this week said 8_2_11_Savior_Self is

The return of Jericho if you take the numbers 8-2-11 as the number of the letters in the alphabet you get HBK (but witj stoerys of his retirement that is unlikely also I found this on another site it's a bible passage I'm not 100% sure if it's accurate or not

8.2.11 Saviour_Self was at the end, Joshua 8:2 of the bible says: "You shall do to Ai and its king as you did to Jericho and its king, except that you may carry off their plunder and livestock for yourselves. Set an ambush behind the city

[hack slash]

New Theory On Save_Us.222: Is It HBK?
Story posted by Tim Brown on October 01, 2007
Thanks to site reader Rocky for sending this in:

The video tonight seemed to be more about HBK than Jericho. It said 8-2-11 alot. H being the 8th letter of the alphabet, B being second, and K being 11th. It also said grand slam, HBK being the first ever grand slam champ. The Savior thing could also have something to do with the ultra religious HBK. It also said big show and no one turns it up for a big PPV like the Showstopper. Last week I'd say was about Jericho, this week seemed to be about HBK.
ADDED:
Cena injured on Monday Night Raw
Written: October 2, 2007CLEVELAND – “No matter how serious the injury, one way or another I’ll be ready to compete on Sunday.”
– John Cena in the locker room after Raw

During his match with Mr. Kennedy Monday night at Raw, WWE Champion John Cena was injured. As Randy Orton attacked Cena after the match, Jim Ross commented on The Champ's condition.

"It looked like Cena was injured earlier - his shoulder - against Mr. Kennedy," Ross said on the air.

If Cena was hurt, the injury was undoubtedly worsened by Orton’s brutal attack, which included two RKOs and an assault with steel ring steps.

The extent of The Champ’s injury is unknown. As a precaution, Cena headed to Birmingham, Ala. Monday night to be evaluated by Dr. James Andrews.

Stay with WWE.com for further updates on Cena’s condition as they become available.

[The Dark Vampire]

8_2_11_Savior_Self Screen Caps
0:12 seconds
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/3104/8211saviorself1hb5.jpg


0:14 seconds
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/2474/8211saviorself2om3.jpg

While I still think it's Jericho if you look under the Jericho related stuff it sys Error-- and under the other It's A Lie (although Fozzy does have a song called It's A Lie )

[NW77]

8_2_11_Savior_Self Screen Caps
0:12 seconds
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/3104/8211saviorself1hb5.jpg


0:14 seconds
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/2474/8211saviorself2om3.jpg

While I still think it's Jericho if you look under the Jericho related stuff it sys Error-- and under the other It's A Lie (although Fozzy does have a song called It's A Lie )

I also notice the word "Rock/Rollah" or whatever how it spell. I'm sure that is a reference to Jericho's band, Fozzy.

And that suck to hear about Cena's injury. I hope it nothing serious & that he will get better. WWE seem cursed with so many wrestlers out with injuries.

[The Dark Vampire]

I also notice the word "Rock/Rollah" or whatever how it spell. I'm sure that is a reference to Jericho's band, Fozzy.
.

It's a reference to one of his nick names The Ayatollah of Rock N' Rollah

But this week there was more HBK references in it I got this from another site but they are all (apparently) HBK or Y2J related

'ITSqueeze
iTPush
iTSharp2'

'Body_Slam1B_TW
Raw_Tron_Image'

'Rumble_WWF_Comi
Rumble_WWF_Comi'

'Grand_Slam.1/MOS' (the 1 is underlined)

'Livewire_Open
Talent_Pre_Bu...
Bat_Ass_Week...
JVC_Fix_Moiv...
Raw_New8.comp
Raw_New2.comp'

'Massacre_Cage'

'Backlash_Spon_Big'???

'8.2.11/Savior_Self'

There's one frame with the bottom right of a screen. A date and year is visible with a time - 6_1998_06:46:25 - and below that there is half a word: rnloadio

The next frame is a load of numbers in white, but there's also a lot of blue. It might be spelling something out.

'Headerltlc' - these letters are all very blurred. Could easily be 'leaderltlo', or 'leaderltlc', and below that, 8.2.11/Savior_Self

Whole screen of 'rks/setups/sapphire_1.5/SS_'

'Smack_Tag1.action
Grand_Slam.1/MOS
Smack_TX1A.action
Grand_Slam.1/MOS
Summer_Open1.act
Raw_Tron_TX2.act'

There's a whole screen of something very similar to:

/share/insight/SG1_bookshelves/Help

Another screen:

'Raw_War2.action
Raw_War3.action
Raw_War4.action
WM99_Locator.act
WM99_Locator.act
WM99_Locator.act'

Then there's the old stuff like '7Oct', 'Nestle', 'Skittles', 'Starburst Slam', 'WM99_DVD_Move2A', 'KOR_Qualify13_(various numbers here)', 'CD_Volume4_1.act', 'Lugz_Bar_3.action', 'usr/lin/ps/ditroff.font/...',

There's also a frame with the words 'Big_Show161 (or 1C1) at the bottom, with 'Raw_Dub1B_Black_S' above it.

'demos/GeneralDemos/CyberAstronomy' is all over one frame, and I'm sure I saw roughly the same thing but with 'Geometry' in one frame.

'Akked_Broll_Mo
Aw_Double_Fin_
M99_Match_Trip' is one frame

[ChoKo]

While I hope Cena isn't seriously injured, I think a little time off would be good for him. Can you remember the last time Cena wasn't around? It's been a long time since he's had some time off. Not only would it be good for him physically, it'd be good for his character. A lot of people are sick of him (myself included), and I think some time without Cena is a little overdue.

I guess we'll find out more on his condition later today.

[The Dark Vampire]

If it's so bad he may not even wrestle at No Mercy and they will probably make Orton vs HHH vs Umaga for the vacent title.

Storyline wise if they don't want to admit he's injured they can go with the Coach stripped him and suspended him storyline.

But it's just another bit of the bad luck what has hit WWE this year I bet Vince will be glad when the year is over.

[hack slash]

How WWE Is Handling John Cena's Injury This Morning

Story posted by Ryan Clark on October 02, 2007

WWE is proceeding this morning as if WWE Champion John Cena does indeed have a torn right pectoral muscle that he suffered during his match last night on RAW against the returning Ken Kennedy. Cena is scheduled to meet with Dr. James Andrews today in Birmingham, Alabama for a full medical checkup to determine the exact severity of the injury. WWE will adjust the No Mercy PPV depending on his medical status.

There is a lot of concern inside the WWE locker room as if his pectoral muscle is indeed torn; normal rehabilitation time is four months. Cena is considered one of the top guys in the company and a severe injury such as this is a huge blow to WWE. For those that do not remember, Edge suffered a torn left pectoral muscle back in July and that is why he has been out of action.

[ChoKo]

I've heard rumors that, even if he is injured, Cena will compete at No Mercy. So, with that being said, I'd bet my bottom dollar that he drops the title to Orton. (That's IF he is injured.)

[The Dark Vampire]

I've heard rumors that, even if he is injured, Cena will compete at No Mercy. So, with that being said, I'd bet my bottom dollar that he drops the title to Orton. (That's IF he is injured.)

The doctor may not medically clear him to wrestle if that is the case he will have no option but to relinquish it.

Even if he does wrestle he wouldn't be able to do much with one arm and no matter how much you like or dislike Cena this match shouldn't start and end with ding ding ding- RKO 10 count ding ding ding.

If he does he'll have to get screwed out of the title somehow many a few heels come down and physically hold Cena down so he can't get up during the 10 count or do like Y2J vs Kane Last Man Standing (JY2 dropped a load of stuff on top of Kane so he was buried under it) they could pre tape that backstage so nothing is actually dropped on Cena.

I have no problems with Orton winning ok I do Orton's as Orton is a ass if he gets the belt he'll do something stupid and have to drop it within a few weeks.

Either way when Cena drops the title we will never know if that was the plan or just because of injury
ADDED:
BIRMINGHAM, Ala. – WWE Champion John Cena has suffered a complete tear of his right pectoral tendon and is heading into surgery, according to noted orthopedic surgeon Dr. James Andrews. Because of the seriousness of the injury, WWE officials will not allow Cena to compete this Sunday at No Mercy, and he will have no choice but to surrender the title.

Dr. Andrews said Cena could miss between six and eight months of action. Cena was injured during his match Monday night on Raw with Mr. Kennedy. Before visiting Dr. Andrews, Cena had said, “No matter how serious, the injury, one way or another I’ll be ready to compete on Sunday.”

But despite Cena’s vow, WWE officials will not allow him to compete at No Mercy. Therefore, he must surrender the WWE Championship.

WWE officials vow that there will be a WWE Championship Match this Sunday at No Mercy and a new WWE Champion will be crowned.

Stay with WWE.com for further updates on Cena’s condition and on No Mercy as they become available
Credit>WWE.com

[ChoKo]

Well. That about sums it up. I was hoping he'd be able to at least compete Sunday, but I guess not.

I don't like Cena, but I at least wanted him to lose the title in a match instead of having to vacate it.

[Denzil]

It is a shame that he had to lose the title like this.

I wonder if WWE.com will announce the new WWE title match or just leave it for the PPV.
ADDED:
from wwe.com:

WWE.com has learned that WWE Chairman Mr. McMahon will kick-off ECW on Sci Fi tonight with a special announcement addressing John Cena’s injury and the fate of the WWE Championship.

[The Dark Vampire]

A few problems could stem from this first off the number 1 guy is out for about 8 months meaning he will miss WM24 where no doubt he would of been in one of the top 3 matches.

The number one guy is out while I know the IWC hate him the kids love him and this could lead to reduced buy rates as if there is no Cena (some kids) won't care about watching the PPV's or Raw

Also the year long title reign build up the overcoming all odds for nothing as now nobody will get the rub for been the one to finally beat him.

On another note if whoever is returning was supposed or interfere in the title match and have a program with the loser based on that all of that will have to be re written/re booked

[Denzil]

No doubt about it, Cena = Buys.

[The Dark Vampire]

WWE.com has a poll up right now for who do you wnat to see as new champion andVal Venis is leading the vote (46% ) due to mass voting on some wrestling forums (just people messing around)

The problem is that is why the WWE won't listen to the fans as every time they do anything like this fans think it's funny to pick a stupid answer (nothing wrong with Val but he's been a jobber for about 6 years now and has 0% of getting into the WE title picture at this point he would be lucky to get a tag title run)

Anyway if they picked a serious answer even someone not in the ME (Jeff Hardy or even Shelton Benjamin) WWE might take note that the fans like then and think about building them up to a title run in the case of Jeff I could even see him been added to the match (remember when the IC champ was said to be the one 1 contender anyway)

[Denzil]

I thought it was funny when i saw Venis in the second positon behind Triple H. Now he is first, that makes me laugh. :)

[hack slash]

Not gonna happen but how cool would it be if Orton was standing in the ring and the music for either Jericho, HBK, or the Undertaker came on. Like I said not gonna happen but would still be cool

[ChoKo]

Honestly, I'd like to see Kennedy walk away with the title on Sunday. Sadly, it won't likely happen.

[NW77]

Val Venis behind HHH as #2 from the poll? That crazy!! Whatever happend with Kane being on that instead? I don't remeber Val is heavyweight material. ;)

[Deathscythe]

The polls just there for a joke, still funny through.

[The Dark Vampire]

Val Venis behind HHH as #2 from the poll? That crazy!! Whatever happend with Kane being on that instead? I don't remeber Val is heavyweight material. ;)
They are only using Raw stars if not Funaki would probably be in the lead

[NW77]

They are only using Raw stars if not Funaki would probably be in the lead

The #1 Smackdown announcer! :D :funky:

[Deathscythe]

Funaki is awesome, best cruiserweight champion of all time.:cool:

[The Dark Vampire]

HBK is back baby and it's looks like we're getting HBK vs Randy Orton

Well Save_US 222 wasn't HBK so the safe money is on Jericho now

[Kane Lives]

I'm glad HBK came back tonight.

I wish he would beat Orton for the title. Shawn is due another title reign IMO.

[ChoKo]

Good to see him back.

Shawn should squash Orton and take the title immediately.

[Nick Michalak]

I think business on RAW just picked up! With HBK back, we're in for a lot more excitement, and an HBK vs. Orton feud for the title is definitely a great change of pace! Always count on Shawn Michaels to step up when things are down. All sympathies to John Cena, but at the moment, it seems his untimely injury has made for a wonderful twist of fate. Totally unexpected seeing HBK back! Last I heard (as late as last week), was that he wasn't certain on when he'd return, if at all. I'd love to see HBK with the WWE Championship feuding with someone like Mr. Kennedy - I could see some excellent matches there. In any case, definitely a fantastic surprise!

-NJM

[NW77]

Good to see him back.

Shawn should squash Orton and take the title immediately.

Yep. I like HBK better. I thought he was thinking of retiring or something for good, but I imagine maybe it was a publicity stunt. Good to see him back all of a sudden.

And I wish some of you guys didn't say anything about Cena's injury as a good thing to make RAW better. I think some of you are really glad he is hurt or wish it happend eariler. :p

[ChoKo]

And I wish some of you guys didn't say anything about Cena's injury as a good thing to make RAW better. I think some of you are really glad he is hurt or wish it happend eariler.

No one said they were glad he was injured. All I said was that I was glad he was gonna be gone for a while. He could have just as easily went on vacation and I would've said the same thing.

Read the posts next time before jumping to conclusions.

[hack slash]

I bet within the next 2 weeks on RAW we get Orton and Umaga VS. DX:D

THE SHOWSTOPPA IS BACK thank you Vince

[ChoKo]

Well, according to WrestleZone, RAW did a 2.8 rating last night... which is really shitty compared to RAW's normal rating.

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc309/Speedy_Gonzalez_13/turd-polish.jpg

Vince better get on the ball.

[The Dark Vampire]

I just read that a few moments ago on another forum but it said it was up against a big football game so it was going to lose ratings even if it was the best Raw ever

[ChoKo]

Still, ratings have been down for weeks. It can't all be due to Monday Night Football.

[The Dark Vampire]

True.

I have to wonder what will happen when Raw goes 3 hours what should be happing pretty soon if USA Network get their way.

It should be pointed out Vince doesn't want 3 hours every week once every now and again for a special Raw is ok but he thinks 3 hours every week for Raw is just to much and overexpose and water down the Raw brand and well as put a lot more work on the writers-bookers and everybody else but the boss of USA say they have to go 3 hours and it's out of Vince's hands

[ChoKo]

I agree. 3 hours of RAW will/would be too much. Look what happened when WCW Monday Nitro went to three hours.

I don't blame Vince for not wanting to go to three hours. It's not a smart move, IMO. Two hours of RAW a week is more than enough.

[Kat]

It is sad that RAW got such a low rating, it was actually pretty good this week.

[Denzil]

Glad to see HBK back!

[The Dark Vampire]

Very small point but when Santino said the fans were pissed off because they had just watched The Condemned was (in a way) a screw up as it's not out in the UK yet.
ADDED:
BTW I'm met this Andy Simmons Umaga is fighting odd thing is in the UK he's one of our top heels
ADDED:
On a side note during the segment where Coach was chasing Hornswoggle through the cafeteria I spotted one of my real life friends who is a wrestler (Sam Slam) I think he was there for a try out

[Antonynz]

Shawn should squash Orton and take the title immediately.

Yea or just have a normall match.

[The Dark Vampire]

I wouldn't mind who takes the title off Orton hell a heat jobber is a better option than him to be honest I sooner see Hornswoggle with the title than Blandy Orton.

[Antonynz]

Why dont you like him?
Hes not as bad as cena. Not that im a huge Orton fan..

[The Dark Vampire]

I sooner see Cena over take Sammartino's 8 year regin then see Orton have the belt for a week I like Cena well a1000X more then I do Orton anyway.

Orton is bland in the ring the legend killer think not he should be Called Randy Orton The Man of A 1000 Rest Holds

He's a prat and not just a normal WWE prat HBK in his asshole days had nothing on Orton if he's not damaging a diva's bag he's smashing a hotel room up or just been a asshole in general and he's already on his 2nd strike on the wellness policy.

[Kane Lives]

Orton is bland in the ring the legend killer think not he should be Called Randy Orton The Man of A 1000 Rest Holds


:lol:

I don't like Orton either. I wish HBK would take the title from him if they wrestle at Cyber Sunday, but I doubt it will happen so soon.

[hack slash]

I hope whoever wrestles Boreton..I mean Orton at Cyber Sunday gets the belt all 3 of them are better choices,Jeff just needs to work on those mic skills, But I can assure you whoever gets the vote needs to watch out for Orton's multiple deadly Head locks:side:

[The Dark Vampire]

I agree infcat my Orton hate is almost as big as my Ultimate Warrior and Hogan hate

The worse 4 WWE champions in history (in order)

http://bodyslamming.com/pics/UltimateWarrior2.jpg

http://www.facite.com/perso/catchzone/hulk-hogan-photo.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/87/Orton_WWE_Champion_No_Mercy.jpg/175px-Orton_WWE_Champion_No_Mercy.jpg

http://www.hoffco-inc.com/wwe/thist/wwe/wrld-mcmahon01st-1.jpg

[hack slash]

ARE YOU READY??

http://www.24wrestling.com/index.php?id=news/11411
-- During the TNA Impact replay Saturday night an advertisement was shown for the upcoming RAW in Philadelphia. Shawn Michaels and Triple H are scheduled to take on Randy Orton and Umaga. The event will be held October 29th at the Wachovia Center. As previously reported, an advertisement was shown in Miami promoting the same match for Survivor Series.

[Violent VictiM]

Okay, I can take Orton bashing. It's all good. But when someone says something as asinine as Cena is a better option for the title, I just get angry. Besides when he slips up one or two words because his brain gets ahead of him, Randy Orton has superior mic skills. A charismatic champion has always been a better champ in my mind than one that can wrestle.

To say he only does headlocks is terrible, because I can pick out 3 people on this page alone who used to knock John Cena for only doing a certain number of moves.

He's on his second strike with the wellness policy? Who really cares? What he does in his personal life that goes against a policy that wasn't truly enforced until someone went off the deep end and killed his kid and wife doesn't really bother me that much.

The RKO is a fantastic finishing move. You know why? 'Cause the diamond cutter was fucking awesome and DDP is the god damn man.

Quit hatin'. Long live an Orton title reign.

[The Dark Vampire]

Actually the policy was enforced before the Benoit thing Test was fired over it while he was only on his 2nd strike he admitted to WWE he wasn't going to stop taking steroids and saw noting wrong in doing them (this is the same reason he only lasted a few weeks in TNA) and he was booked to win the ECW Championship from Lashley (Lashley was going to Raw full time to be Trumps guy) before that and defend it at Wrestlemaina.

Anyway the problem with having your number 1 guy on 2 strikes is if he gets just 1 more he's fired what does it say when your champion the guy everything is based around is fired for drug use.

Also we all know if he manages to stay clean it's only a matter of time before he screws up somehow else he always does.

[Kane Lives]

http://www.hoffco-inc.com/wwe/thist/wwe/wrld-mcmahon01st-1.jpg


I had blocked that from my memory. :cry:

lol

[Special Killa B]

http://www.hoffco-inc.com/wwe/thist/wwe/wrld-mcmahon01st-1.jpg

I remember it as if it was just yesterday!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFb9t_PBYQ0

[Antonynz]

There was nothing wrong with that. Vince was a heel back then. (a good one)
It was cool when he screwed Austin. Its just WWE has over used the Vince/stonecold fued with other wrestlers.

Vince/HBK
Vince/BobbyLashly
Vince/Hulk Hogan
Vince/ FUCKING EVERY ONE!

[The Dark Vampire]

Vince McMahon has a history of singling people out backstage and embarrassing them in front of other wrestlers. Last Monday when Shawn Michaels was the target of Vince's juvenile behavior, it blew up in Vince's face and left even Stephanie McMahon speechless.

Despite the fact that Shawn Michaels returned to WWE a month ahead of schedule, he still has heat with Vince. Shawn made it clear before he returned that he wants more control over his schedule. He won't be doing any overseas tours and will work a somewhat reduced schedule so he can spend more time with his family.

When Shawn showed up to RAW last Monday for the first time since his injury, Vince started "chewing him out" in front of the lockerroom. He made fun of Shawn's attitude and his clothing, among other things. To the surprise of everybody, HBK fired back at Vince and put him in his place. Shawn made it very clear to Vince in front of everybody that he won't be disrespected by anybody or treated like a rookie.

The wrestlers were shocked that somebody finally stood up to one of Vince's tirades. According to our source, nobody was more shocked than Stephanie McMahon. Witnesses were reportedly amused that Shawn humbled Vince in front of everybody. The McMahon's are not necessarily disliked by the roster but this definitely brought Vince down off his high horse.

Shawn and Vince have had a volatile relationship for well over a decade. There is no indication that this incident will have any ramifications on Shawn's WWE status.
Credit>The Torch

[Denzil]

Nice one Shawn. Vince should of realised that HBK came back early as a favour to him (and the fans of course), there was no need to bitch at him on his first night out.

[The Dark Vampire]

There are rumors that Chris Jericho will return tonight if not it will be next week's Raw but they want him tonight as if fans know he'll 100% back it will boost the ratings for Cyber Sunday (If he's back tonight I could even see them adding him to the Cyber Sunday card)

[Special Killa B]

There are rumors that Chris Jericho will return tonight if not it will be next week's Raw but they want him tonight as if fans know he'll 100% back it will boost the ratings for Cyber Sunday (If he's back tonight I could even see them adding him to the Cyber Sunday card)


I hope so because the main event of Jeff Hardy and Shawn Michaels vs Randy Orton and Ken Kennedy makes me not want to watch now as it is.

[Apocalypto]

Beth Phoenix should be fucking fired after what she did tonight, she nearly killed Candice.

I thought she was a parraplegic until she sat up, you can hear the Ref say to Beth "slow down" because she was clearly breaking Candice's balance too early.

[Kane Lives]

I thought she was a parraplegic until she sat up


Yeah, that was pretty scary. Especially after they showed the replay of it, I was surprised that she was able to sit up after that.

[NW77]

That was quite a nasty fall Candice has from the ring. I'm glad to see she was able to sit up for awhile. And I disagree Beth should be fired. It not like she try to hurt her on purpose. Sadly, injuries can happend in the ring & Candice is part of it. I think it unfair to blame Beth on this when things like this can happend all the time in the ring. I'm sure Beth backstage apologize for Candice & that they have no hard feeling toward others.

[Apocalypto]

Of course she didn't try to hurt her on purpose, but her stupidity and recklass-ness caued the injury.

The Ref even told her to slow down, and she ignored him, then the brainless bitch actually drags the woman around the fucking ring after nearly killing her.

That's more than just a simple mistake. These people are supposed to be professionals, that was sub-amateurish.

A.) Ignored the ref's warning

B.) Tripped Candice when she clearly wasn't ready

C.) Dragged her around after obviously severely injuring her.

Yeah, I think it's pretty fair to blame her.

[Special Killa B]

whats even worse is the WWE will capitalize on this injury and build Beth into an unstoppable monster who can end your career in a heartbeat.

[Apocalypto]

I was just telling that to someone last night.

This will be what they use to push her as an uber bad ass now, "she can fuck up spots and endanger her opponents, great heel huh?!"

[The Dark Vampire]

I've read Katie Lea may be brought up soon she used to wrok for my local promotion as in the UK (back then she was known as Nikita) I have met her a few times to.

She's a great wrestler I hope she takes the title.

[The Dark Vampire]

More Save US 222 news

Warning spoiler tags contain news of who it is (as if we didn't know) and when they will show up



http://x29-uponus-2days.saveus-222.com/ site.

- When you click on the video, the Username you need is SAVOUR_SELF and the password is SUNDAYCOMING. That comes up with a COUNTDOWN and links to WWE videos.

- A quick scan of the IP shows the website was created in Stamford, and is registered to one of the members of the WWE Board of Directors.

- On the page there is - A countdown to 3:30am GMT this Monday (roughly the last half hour of Cyber Sunday).
- Links labelled after all of the videos so far, each leading to a different Chris Jericho video on WWE.com.
- Black text saying: He shall come upon the zero hour to save us once more.
- Hidden text in the source code saying: The dawn of a new era is upon him

[The Dark Vampire]

A bit of save US 22 news
Raw is in Philadelphia PN tonight and Chris Jericho is also doing a book signing in Philadelphia PN today


Also ECW and SD are in Long Island tomorrow and Chris has got a book signing there to

take that for what you will

[ChoKo]

The following is from WWE.com:

One night after defeating Umaga in a Street Fight at Cyber Sunday, Triple H will go up against the Samoan Bulldozer and WWE Champion Randy Orton in a Handicap Match tonight on Raw.

Also:

From WrestleZone.com

Announced for tonight's Raw, from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania:

- Triple H vs. Umaga & Randy Orton in a handicap match.

- Diva Halloween Costume Battle Royale.

- Hornswoggle vs. Jonathan Coachman.

________

[hack slash]

can we say DX returns tonight

[The Dark Vampire]

OMG

BTW has Kelly Kelly got bigger as I'm sure they wasn't that large before (and they really don't suit her as her body is way to small for such a big set)

[X Marks the Spot]

HB-Shizzle...:shifty:

[ChoKo]

There was another "Save.Us" video, though it didn't air in the UK.

From WrestleZone.com

[The Dark Vampire]

and now another one so

2 in one night that just may mean tonights the night although it did say Launch_19

[Nick Michalak]

Don't know if the 19 holds significance. Survivor Series is on November 18th, and so, it's not a countdown because it's about 20 days away. Though, the Launch_19 could be RAW on Monday, November 19th. As always, the messages in those promos can be deciphered in multiple ways. Though, with only two RAWs between now and Survivor Series, I'd imagine Jericho's return would wait until after that event.

-NJM

[The Dark Vampire]

numbers can mean anything

Save_Us 222 was thought to be 222 No Mercy the 222'd WWE PPV

X29 was thought to mean 10-29 or October 29th

Now Launch_19 which as Nick stated will thought to mean November 19th

However like I said i have seen a lot of people already bored with it could it last another 3 weeks?

[NW77]

OMG

BTW has Kelly Kelly got bigger as I'm sure they wasn't that large before (and they really don't suit her as her body is way to small for such a big set)

Wrestlezone said she supposely did got breast implants. We shouldn't be surprise by this anymore. Nowdays, many WWE divas get implants.

And for some reason, Victoria look like a raw turkey with how stupid the big sumo suit she was wearing look on her. :p

[ChoKo]

From WZ:

This week's edition of Raw scored a 3.5 cable rating, up from last week's 3.3.

The show did hours of 3.5 and 3.4.
_____

[Denzil]

They must be hoping for a big rating this week. Considering that DX reforms for one night and Austin is appearing.

[The Dark Vampire]

With all that happing I doubt we will get The Return Of Y2J

[Denzil]

I think they may be holding that off till nearer (or maybe after) Survivor Series.

[The Dark Vampire]

After would be the best choice after all who could he feud with at the moment all the top guys (who he would need for his first feud back) are in feuds already

Orton-HBK Umaga-HHH Kennedy-Jeff Hardy - Carlito (OK Harry's gone but Carlito's stock has gone down he's little more than a Jobber To The Stars at the moment)

[Denzil]

I wouldn't put him anyway near Triple H at the moment.

Maybe Carlito, just so he can get a win before moving to a better opponent.

[The Dark Vampire]

Right now I can see Carlito been the next Val Venis once a top mid carder who could main event but now is lucky to get a win on Heat

[The Dark Vampire]

The Undertaker on Raw mark out (no pun intended)

[Nick Michalak]

Pitiful tag match. Batista & Undertaker barely broke a sweat defeating "the finest tag team on Raw."

-NJM

[Kane Lives]

I can't stand Santino Marella. Every time I hear his music or hear him speak, I want to change the channel. lol

[The Dark Vampire]

Honestly I like Santino I find him funny as hell OK as a face he sucked more than a slut at an orgy but as a heel he's great

[ChoKo]

I can't stand Santino Marella. Every time I hear his music or hear him speak, I want to change the channel. lol

I don't like him either. I don't find him entertaining at all. He sucks as both a heel and a face and his promos are more effective than a bottle of sleeping pills. *snore*

Sadly, I hear the WWE is high on him. Which isn't surprising, really, because the WWE buries anyone with talent and pushes guys who don't even deserve to be curtain jerkers. (Batista, Orton, Cena, etc.)

[The Dark Vampire]

Not just WWE are crazy about him the smarks go potty over him now he's heel guys who hated the **** out of him when he debuted now consider him a highlight of Raw and I'm talking about the exact the same guys who just made a 5 page rant about how The Tag Devision is dead now they jobbed out to Undertaker and Batista

[ChoKo]

Not just WWE are crazy about him the smarks go potty over him now he's heel guys who hated the **** out of him when he debuted now consider him a highlight of Raw.

Not me. I still hate him. :ballshot:

[The Dark Vampire]

Man if Raw was just Regal for 2 hours I wouldn't get bored

[CosmoBubba]

The best parts of Raw tonight? The Save_Us.222 spot all but saying that Jericho would be returning next week, and Blade Braxton from WrestleCrap Radio holding up his goofy signs in the second row.

[Spade]

Man if Raw was just Regal for 2 hours I wouldn't get bored

Maybe an hour and a half of Regal and 30 mins of Kennedy and Y2J once he returns that is.

[The Dark Vampire]

Maybe an hour and a half of Regal and 30 mins of Kennedy and Y2J once he returns that is.

That would work to

Seriously when Reagal retires from in ring action he should really turn to acting he culd pull off a great comedy movie/TV show.

In fact WWE are making films now they should give him a part in a comedy (he would have to help write it as from what I gather most of his stuff is ad-libbed)
ADDED:
Found this on another site take it for what you will (Contains Save Us 222 spoilers please note it could be fake)
Edit I've looked around a lot of sites including PWinsider and it's official

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e207/42yearold/cj.jpg

Anyway whoever it is is officially returning next week at Raw.
added look at the detail in this bit blown up
http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/3005/cjesit5.jpg

[Slice]

Well everyone and their dog knew it was going to be Chris Jericho. The Save Us video that aired last night all but confirmed he'd be on Raw next week.

[The Dark Vampire]

The reason the mag is out (next week) he was supposed to return over 1 month ago but it got pushed back so if he doesn't come back on Monday the mag will be out before he's back

[Antonynz]

Who knows, Y2J might come back next wrestlemainia!
My dream is that John Cena dabuts a heel.
Then vince strips the title and givs it to him!
The crowd goes nuts and booes him. (From a smart state in USA)John Cena is about to leave with the title when.

5.4
3
2
1
BOOM! Y2J comes!

That or randomly comes in the royale rumble.!

[ChoKo]

From WZ (http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=197103047):

For those that have asked, the Chris Jericho WWE Magazine cover shot is legitimate. The magazine features an in depth article of Jericho putting over the idea of working with John Cena, Triple H, Shawn Michaels, Undertaker, Ken Kennedy, and even MVP. Jericho said that he went to Lance Storm’s wrestling school to brush off some ring rust and is returning to WWE with a new finishing move and will debut some new moves. Jericho also notes that there will be no more long hair either.


____________

[The Dark Vampire]

JERICHO IS BACK BABY

[nottidelterrore]

JERICHO IS BACK BABY

Oh yeah! I marked like crazy too. It was so good hearing a Jericho promo. I've missed those.

However, the shiny vest needs to go.

[Special Killa B]

That was awesome when Jericho clothelined Orton's marathon runner! Then did his back turned arms out pose!

[Deathscythe]

However, the shiny vest needs to go.

Yeah I didn't like that either, but woot for Jericho!

[X Marks the Spot]

RAW is Jericho!

His shots on Orton were so funny, and so true. I love Orton as a performer, but he can be boring as hell as soon as he opens his mouth.

[ChoKo]

I love Orton as a performer

The chinlock must be your favorite wrestling maneuver. :lmao: :X

[The Dark Vampire]

I like Y2J's shirt BTW he always used to wear stuff like that it fits in with his coolness with just a touch of dorkiness gimmick.



The chinlock must be your favorite wrestling maneuver. :lmao: :X

Chris Jericho The Man Of A 1004 Holds vs Blandy Boreton The Man Of A 1004 Restholds

[X Marks the Spot]

Alright, alright...but he does do a perfect dropkick.

I'd much rather watch him work with Jericho than John "shoulder block" Cena.

[NW77]

That was a great ending to RAW with Jericho's return. I figure after Orton said he will not have a rematch with HBK & that Kennedy wrestle him, I was sure Kennedy was going to have his feud with HBK. And that Jericho have his with Orton. I hope Jericho take the belt off Orton, since I dislike Orton. Jericho is better.

And I read the vest he wore last night was pretty much the same one he wore when he first came to RAW when Rock was in the ring back in Nov. '99. I wish Jericho would tell Orton to shut the hell up. :D :D

[Voo-doo]

I'm glad he kept the same music and countdown. I just wish he could have kept the "Bitch" part from his original WWF song.

[nottidelterrore]

RAW is Jericho!

His shots on Orton were so funny, and so true. I love Orton as a performer, but he can be boring as hell as soon as he opens his mouth.

I love Orton too. I think he's pretty good in the ring & a lot more talented than most of the guys WWE puts belts on. His mic skills used to be great, ie RNN updates & Evolution. After he turned face, he just kinda lost those skills. He's had a few decent promos but nothing like the days from 2003-2004.

I'm looking forward to the Jericho/Orton feud. I wouldn't mind if Jericho got the belt eventually but let him chase it for awhile.

[NW77]

I wouldn't mind if Jericho got the belt eventually but let him chase it for awhile.



Yeah. I want them to build up the feud before they let Jericho get the belt. It silly to rush it.

[The Dark Vampire]

Problem is I can't see Jericho losing his very first match back (he is unlikely to wrestle until Armageddon so they can milk his first match back) but at the same time I can't see him winning the title on his first match back.

But I can't see him winning via a screwy way on his first match back (i.e I can't see him picking up a DQ or count out win ) his first win has to be either pin or submission.

[ChoKo]

I'd much rather watch him work with Jericho than John "shoulder block" Cena.

Very, extremely, true. Anyone but Cena.

[Nick Michalak]

I'd almost imagine there's gonna be a HBK & Y2J vs. Kennedy & Orton tag match before Armageddon.

-NJM

[The Dark Vampire]

I'd almost imagine there's gonna be a HBK & Y2J vs. Kennedy & Orton tag match before Armageddon.

-NJM

I don't know as I can see them building up Armageddon and buy rates by having Y2J's first match match there.

[ChoKo]

I think Jericho's return would have been a bit better if they had him return as a surprise entrant in the Royal Rumble match (and win it, of course). At this rate, it looks like, to me, he's gonna be main eventing WrestleMania anyway. It would have been a great surprise had they done that. I could have done without the whole viral campaign because everyone knew who it was when the first "cryptic video" aired. So, it didn't turn out to be surprising at all.

At any rate, I'm glad he's back.

[ChoKo]

From WZ:
Tonight’s edition of RAW will air live from the Charlotte Bobcats Arena in Charlotte, North Carolina. The only match that WWE has announced for the show is Umaga and Snitsky taking WWE Intercontinental Champion Jeff Hardy and Triple H.

WWE is also teasing more to Chris Jericho’s confrontation with Randy Orton, the continuation of Mr. Kennedy’s feud with Shawn Michaels, as well as the return of Ric Flair to WWE in his hometown.

I hear Flair will have a huge program upon his return. I can't wait; I'm a huge Flair fan.

[NW77]

From WZ:


I hear Flair will have a huge program upon his return. I can't wait; I'm a huge Flair fan.


Weird. I thought it would be next week, not this week. Shame it too late for me to attend. :(

[Killa Pimp]

Yeah, it'd be great to watch Flair in the ring again.

Oh well... maybe next time.

[freako104]

Me want title match!


Also

Me want Y2J Champion!

[Kane Lives]

RAW was all about Jericho and Flair tonight for me. I enjoyed all of their segments.



Me want title match!


I think the visual aids confused Randy even more. lol



Also

Me want Y2J Champion!


I agree with that. :cool:

[ChoKo]

Damn great to see Flair back.

I love Jericho, but his new look annoys me. His new finisher is kinda lame, too; Bring back the Walls of Jericho/Lion Tamer.

[ChoKo]

From WZ:

Dave Meltzer is reporting that WWE is trying to line up some huge surprises for the 15th Anniversary RAW special next month.

WWE has even contacted former WWE Champion The Rock for an appearance. If he did agree it would likely be a video segment and not live. Expect WWE to pull out some big surprises for the show.

The 3-hour special will air Monday night December 12th. The show will start 1 hour earlier, at 8PM eastern.

__________

[Killa Pimp]

The KYJ rip by Santino to Jericho was pretty funny!:)

[Nick Michalak]

I wonder when Jericho will start calling people 'Ass Clowns' again.

-NJM

[NW77]

I wonder when Jericho will start calling people 'Ass Clowns' again.

-NJM

Me too. I wish he said it again Santino or Orton. Or maybe he use that when he is a heel. I don't remeber if he ever call some assclown when he was a face. Hmmmm..... >:(