Suspiria

[Ron]

this is probably my favorite horror movie...ever. Dario Argento must have sold his soul to the devil in exchange for the perfectfilm because this is it. The Goblins score is creepy as hell and the overall story never seems forced. The color schemes in this movie set the tone perfectly

I give this movie a 15/10

[karloff]

Suspiria is indeed a great film. Actually gets better with repeat viewings.

[Joshg]

This is one of my top 5 horror films of all time. It seels atmosphere, and is so creative. I love it!

[Brett H.]

Overrated. Red and blue lights don't make a movie.

However, the razor wire scene was awesome. The ending was a huge letdown and ballet... well ballet is ballet. :(

[Joshg]

I dunno. I really enjoyed it. I think it's Argento's best!

[Ron]

Overrated. Red and blue lights don't make a movie.

However, the razor wire scene was awesome. The ending was a huge letdown and ballet... well ballet is ballet. :(


yes, red and blue lights do not make a movie. I agree. A gun is only dangerous when there's a finger on the trigger.

[driftingsun]

I liked this one. I first saw it on the public access channel in Madison real late on a Sun. night; I thought at first that it was somebody's home-made indie movie, or something. Gets an A- from me for outright weirdness, if nothing else.

[Ron]

I think the trailers were very creepy as well.

[Joshg]

"Susssspeeeeeaarreeeeeaaaaaaa!"

"Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
The Iris is a flower,
That will be the end of yoooooou"

Totally wicked trailer!

[MaDMaNMaRz]

Great film! My favorite from Dario Argento.

[Mr. Undertaker]

Never saw it, is it really that good?

[MaDMaNMaRz]

I really think so. The atmosphere, score, story....everything was really good. I don't want to really give anything away. You might like it even more if you don't know anything about it before watching it. It's not terribly difficult to find. I've seen it alot of times at different DVD stores.

[Mr. Undertaker]

I'll look around, thanks!

[Joshg]

I thought so too. My top Italian horror movie, and so mesmerizing.
Which reminds me, I need to get Inferno!

[Ron]

I'm pretty sure that a 2 disc SE of Suspiria is being released in the fall..I sure hope so.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

Hopefully that's true. I'd definitely pick that up. I'm a big fan of this film. :)

[Ron]

Yup, I just checked it out on the fangoria chopping list. It will be a two-disc SE released on September 25 through Blue Underground. I'm thrilled because I missed out on the Limited Edition they released last time and have been kicking myself ever since.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

Has anyone picked up the 2 Disc SE? I still only have the Uncut Anchor Bay one. What kind of features does the new one have?

[Jigsaw]

I saw parts of this movie on IFC a couple of years back but fell asleep as I had been sleep-depraved the previous night. I'll have to see this again sometime when it re-airs or I find a DVD copy for rent.

[Joshg]

Wal-Mart/Zellers had a butt load of Suspiria DVDs last time I checked...though, not the 2 disc...

[MaDMaNMaRz]

I saw parts of this movie on IFC a couple of years back but fell asleep as I had been sleep-depraved the previous night. I'll have to see this again sometime when it re-airs or I find a DVD copy for rent.

I'm sure you can still find the Uncut Anchor Bay one. I bought it new for $9.99 at Suncoast a while ago.

[Jigsaw]

Thanks for the information, I'll be on the lookout for it next time I'm at Suncoast.

[Lance Lives]

I have the 3 Disc edition with the Goblin score, good set. I love the flick and I'm glad it's easier to find now than when I first wanted to see it. I mean, I was having dreams about finding it in my local video store every other night because it was on my mind so much.

[Ron]

Suspiria is my absolute favorite movie.

[driftingsun]

It's a classic. What other movies did that director do? I'd like to see anything that had the same feel as Suspiria. I love the scenes where the characters are wandering around the mansion and everything is in a kind of muted purplish light, and then that cool music starts in with the ominous sounding beats.

[Ron]

Dario Argento is a great director. Suspiria was actually the first film of the 'Three Mothers' trilogy, which includes Suspiria, Inferno, and the yet to be released Mother Of Tears. If you're interested in other Argento films I highly recommend Deep Red. I also heard that Opera is a great flick.

[Scarecrow]

Tenebrae is also a classis Argento film and one of the best 'slasher' films ever made... the giallo genre in general produces excellent horror movies.

Inferno is the pseudo-sequel to Suspiria... not nearly as good but still interetsing with some great set peices.

- Scarecrow

[Ron]

The only Argento film that I wasn't crazy about was The Bird With The Crystal Plummage...I found it to be a huge bore.

[Joshg]

Say Peter...have you seen "Four Flies on Grey Velvet?" It's part of his animal trilogy...yet to be released on DVD. :(

[Ron]

No I haven't Josh...Is it an Argento flick?

[MaDMaNMaRz]

As much as I like Argento, i've always been a much bigger fan of Lucio Fulci. IMO, he is the best of the Italian horror directors.

R.I.P. :(

[Ron]

As much as I like Argento, i've always been a much bigger fan of Lucio Fulci. IMO, he is the best of the Italian horror directors.

R.I.P. :(

I've never had the privledge of seeing any of Fulci's work, but I can say that Argento is arguably one of the greatest horror director's in history. I also have taken note that you do appreciate Argento's work so I'm just throwing this out there. I really do have to check out some Fulci. Any suggestions?

[Joshg]

I've never had the privledge of seeing any of Fulci's work, but I can say that Argento is arguably one of the greatest horror director's in history. I also have taken note that you do appreciate Argento's work so I'm just throwing this out there. I really do have to check out some Fulci. Any suggestions?

City of the Living Dead, House By the Cemetery, Don't Torture A Duckling, Zombi 2/Zombie, The NY Ripper, The Beyond.....those are all pretty good films by him....oh, and Lizard in a Woman's Skin.

Argento's animal trilogy consists of:
-The Bird with the Crystal Plumage (1969)
-Four Flies on Grey Velvet (1970)
-Cat O' Nine Tails (1971)

The only one not on DVD is Flies...it's owned by Paramount, I think.

[Ron]

I'll definitley be checking some out because I've heard a lot of good things about House by the cemmetary. Thanks for the info Josh:)

[Lance Lives]

I've only seen Zombie and House by the Cemetary but they're both great, I recommend both Peter!

[MaDMaNMaRz]

Peter - Fulci films i'd highly recommend:

House by the Cemetery
City of the Living Dead
Zombie
The Beyond
Lizard in a Woman's Skin

[The Dream Master]

I second all of those choices, Mike. Out of all the Fulci I've seen, those have been my favorites so far (I've always enjoyed Zombi 2, though).

[Ron]

you fellas know how to put a dent in a DVD addicts wallet:D

[MaDMaNMaRz]

Haha, no problem. :p How did you like House by the Cemetery? Actually, we SHOULD be posting this in the Lucio Fulci Films thread I created, lol.

Brett - Zombie and Zombi 2 are actually the same movie. They were just released with different titles.

[The Dream Master]

Brett - Zombie and Zombi 2 are actually the same movie. They were just released with different titles.

Oh, I know. I always just go with Zombi 2 when I refer to it because I consider the Italian Dawn of the Dead to be the original Zombi.

What I meant to say in my post (and it didn't come out right) was that I had just recently seen all the films on your list except for Zombi 2, which I saw a long time ago and have always liked. :)

[MaDMaNMaRz]

Oh, I know. I always just go with Zombi 2 when I refer to it because I consider the Italian Dawn of the Dead to be the original Zombi.

What I meant to say in my post (and it didn't come out right) was that I had just recently seen all the films on your list except for Zombi 2, which I saw a long time ago and have always liked. :)

Ah, I see. I'll mix it up. Sometimes I refer to it as Zombie, and sometimes as Zombi 2, lol.

[The Dream Master]

I was so confused about it for the longest time (before the internet came along). I'd seen Zombie 2 (rented it from a store or something), and I was always looking for the first one. Turns out I had already seen it, but it was called Dawn of the Dead. :lol:

[MaDMaNMaRz]

Haha! That was an interesting way for them to try and profit off of Dawn of the Dead.

Did you go to a Mom n Pop's video store? I've never seen any of Fulci's films in any of my local video stores. The Hollywood Video near me still has VHS to rent. :) They had some good stuff too: Suspiria, Maniac, Return of the Living Dead, Prom Night, etc. But no Fulci. :cry:

[The Dream Master]

Yeah, the place I rented it from was a mom and pop store at the time, but it's owned by Movie Gallery now. :shifty:

[Ron]

mom and pop stores were awesome.

[The Dream Master]

Indeed. I was pretty much raised in a mom and pop video store. My dad's friends owned one, and I stayed there almost every Saturday. If it were still open today, I could quickly point out where pretty much any movie was.

[Lance Lives]

It really pisses me off when stores like Movie Gallery buy badass mom and pop stores and sell out the collection they've amassed over the years and make it just like every other store.

[The Dream Master]

That's exactly what happened at my local store. Hell, they're still selling off VHS tapes, and I even saw some Beta sprinkled in a few years back.

[Lance Lives]

Yeah, it's a damn shame. The good thing about Mom and Pop stores was that you could find different stuff in each store you went to, but now there's the same stuff in every store you go to and it's impossible to just find something cool without having to search your ass off for it. Case in point, I had to pay 30 dollars sight unseen for my copy of Suspiria, but thank god it rules.

[Kane Lives]

I saw Suspiria the other night for the first time in years. It's a great film IMO.

[Scarecrow]

Damn straight it is. :D Seen Inferno at all?


- Scarecrow

[Ron]

Inferno was good, but doesn't come close to Suspiria's greatness. I'm looking forward to Mother of Tears.

[Kane Lives]

I've never saw Inferno. It'll probably be a part of my next DVD purchases though.

The new Fangoria has an article on Mother of Tears this month. I'm looking forward to reading up on that one.

[ChoKo]

Suspiria has been my favorite horror film for years.

I really liked Inferno. I don't like it as much as I do Suspiria but, it's a good film nonetheless.

[Ron]

Dario Argento is awesome.Period.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

Inferno is good, but nowhere near as great as Suspiria IMO. I have the Uncut Anchor Bay Inferno VHS, in the clamshell case.

[Scarecrow]

Feels like we've been waiting FOREVER for Mother of Tears...


- Scarecrow

[Kane Lives]

Finally saw Inferno recently.

I agree, that it's not as good as Suspiria, but I still found it to be an effective film.

[Ron]

I let my boss borrow Suspiria and she keeps taunting me saying that it wasn't scary in the least bit. It doesn't bother me though because I know how I feel about this film and everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

[101ant101]

i have to say i wasn't very happy with this film, i mean it had some good moments but just wasn't really for me. and the remake comes out this year which i have to say im not really happy about either.

[Ron]

I thought that they pulled the plug on a remake of this?? Is Mother of Tears getting a theatrical release?

[Shoesalesman]

Given the hype and fantastic reviews for this movie, I still haven't found the time to search for it and watch it. I need to see this movie!!!

[MaDMaNMaRz]

IIRC, isn't the remake of this supposed to be an anime version?

[Scarecrow]

I remember earing aout that years ago. Wonder what happened to it...


- Scarecrow

[The Dream Master]

There was a thread about it on the old forum right before it crashed, so I'm guessing it's not as dead as you might expect.

[Ron]

Given the hype and fantastic reviews for this movie, I still haven't found the time to search for it and watch it. I need to see this movie!!!

You need to do yourself a favor and make time for this flick.. It's in my top 5 horror films (#2 to be precise). This is such a piece of art.

[killingvector]

Gritty and sanguinishness. Bloody great time. I am a big fan of Tenebre as well. I am shocked some Hollywood writer hasn't ripped off that film yet.

[Ron]

Tenebre was good..I saw it last year.

[JP's Revenge]

Has anyone watched the 'new' 2-disc set from Blue Underground? I'm just worried that the video quality isn't as good as the Anchor Bay release.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51UTzAUDo-L._SS500_.jpg

[Scarecrow]

Nothign beats the 3-disc edition with the soundtrack included, best package ever and perfect for this film.


- Scarecrow

[JP's Revenge]

I'm not too worried about extras or the separate score... just having the uncut feature with the best video/audio transfer quality is my main concern. Have you seen this new release, SC?

[DrSpengler]

Nothign beats the 3-disc edition with the soundtrack included, best package ever and perfect for this film.


- Scarecrow

Indeed. For all their endless rerererereleases of "Evil Dead", Anchor Bay really is the horror fan's best friend. That three disk set was fantastic. And the soundtrack was some of the best background music for a Halloween get-together you'll ever find.


As for "Suspiria", here's my review (http://pellecreepy.blogspot.com/2008/02/suspiria-1977.html). I love the film, though I'm ashamed to say I haven't seen any of Argento's other works (can't really count "Demons" since he only produced those). Been meaning to track down "Inferno", but none of the stores in my area have it in stock anymore, so I'll have to get it online.

[The Dream Master]

JP, Blue Underground's releases typically use the same transfers as their AB counterparts, and I believe that's the case for Suspiria as well.

[JP's Revenge]

Awesome, thanks DM!

[The Dream Master]

No problem.

I also managed to find this (http://www.eccentric-cinema.com/cult_movies/suspiria.htm): according to the blurb at the bottom, the BU is identical.

I just want to know when the Blu-ray version is coming. :X

[JP's Revenge]

No kidding... I hate all this waiting for cool horror flics on Blu-Ray.

The Prom Night remake is naturally on bd... yet F13 and NOES aren't even announced. Even obvious cash-ins like FvsJ or TCM remake aren't on the immediate horizon... drives me nuts. Thank God that The Thing at least has been in hi-def for a long time already.

[The Dream Master]

Well, you can get the Canadian Blu-ray release of NOES from Amazon Canada if you feel like paying $30 for it.

[JP's Revenge]

No kidding? Didn't know that... Think I'll wait for the US release though. Good to know in case it takes even longer to come out here. Thanks again, DM.

[Ron]

My Breakdown of the 3 Mother's Trilogy

Suspiria = perfect classic

Inferno = good film, and worthy follow up to it's predecessor

Mother of Tears = complete shit

[mirage2130]

I blind bought Suspiria a few years back after reading rave reviews on a message board. I absolutely hated this movie. The second it was done I immediately felt ripped off. Every now and then I say that I'll rewatch it but never want to.

[Ron]

You are certainly in the minority, although I can see where you are coming from. Suspiria is not for everyone.

[Spook]

I absolutely love Suspiria. It's one of the scariest films I have ever seen. Though, I think that Profondo Rosso (aka Deep Red) is Argento's best work, Suspiria definitely takes second. Very creepy movie. It also has one of the best theme songs in any horror film.

[Scarecrow]

Argento's films have a certain style and art to them. just want dsome typical Hollywood horror, boo scraes, gorfest then this isn't for you. You want a virbant cocophany of colour and sound and very primal fears and terrors then this is a masterpeice of movie making.

- Scarecrow

[Rich]

Suspiria was good, but slightly overrated. I think Opera (after my first time ever watching it) was a perfect horror film. It had suspense, gore, and twisted imagery. It was very expressionistic at times as well. I think Argento's Opera is an underrated classic. Everything Dario does seems to get over shadowed by Suspiria, which is a good films, but The Card Player is a good film as well.

[Ron]

I agree Rich. Although I absolutley adore Suspiria, I find that Argento was responsible for some other great films. After a second viewing of The Bird with the Crystal Plummage I realized how great it actually was. Surprisingly, I bought Opera, but was unable to get into the first time around. I suppose I should get around to that soon.

[Rich]

Opera is one of those films that make you wait for something to happen, but once it does, it is brutal as hell. It is a very suspensful film. Think of Hitchcock's Psycho, Phantom of the Opera, and Friday the 13th all rolled into one. That is pretty much what Opera is.

[Patrick]

I just bought the Blue Underground 2-Disc release of 'Suspiria' on eBay for $14 brand new. I have never seen it. I am curious to see it after watching the trailer on Blue Underground's site.

I also bought the Blue Underground DVD of Cannibal Man (1972) for $6 and thinking of getting 'Lucio Fulci's 'The Black Cat' (1977) also from Blue Underground.

I have been in a Italian/Spanish horror mood lately if you couldn't tell.

[The Dream Master]

Damn, I'm so used to you bumping threads to post about a new home video release that I half expected you to be posting an announcement about Suspiria on Blu-ray. :p

Enjoy Suspiria, and definitely pick up The Black Cat if you can.

[Patrick]

lol....yea after I bought it off eBay I thought.....crap, did I check to see if a Blu-ray has been announced recently?.....I didn't remember one but with my luck i wasn't sure...lol.

[Rich]

My two favorite Argento films are Opera and Cat O' Nine Tails.

[Joshg]

My two favorite Argento films are Opera and Cat O' Nine Tails.

Wow. Most people choose Bird and 4 Flies over Cat. It's nice to see some variation.

[Patrick]

Well, I got it in the mail today and we just watched it. I thought it was kinda odd BUT I greatly enjoyed it. The colors were awesome. The music score was amazing. I really, really liked it. It reminded me alot of 'Rosemary's Baby'.

Oddly enough, the scene between the main character Suzy and the psychiatrist....when he was explaining things about witches to her.....kinda "helped" me understand it a little better....whatever that means lol.

[The 5th Golden Girl]

Wow. Suspiria is a masterpiece. It's gorgeous to look at the entire time, and the tension builds and builds until you don't think you can take much more. This one scared me. I had the lights out and was alone in the house, and it scared me. Top form.

[Ron]

This is one of the few horror flicks I consider to be perfect.

[Monkey]

:confused:
I'll never understand the praise this movie receives.

I consider it to be strange and boring. I'll watch it again, though. Maybe someday, I'll 'get' it. :|

[Brett H.]

Nope, Monkey, you won't. I think it is probably the best looking movie I've ever seen, but that's about all it has going for it besides the score.

I've tried to get this one to the extent of watching it four times at least now. Mother of Tears made me appreciate it more, but Tears made me appreciate the smell of fresh shit, too.

[Monkey]

Nope, Monkey, you won't. I think it is probably the best looking movie I've ever seen, but that's about all it has going for it besides the score.
Cool; I felt alone on this one until now.
ADDED:
Pop Quiz:
Shards of glass and debris are falling towards you. You:
A. Get out of the way
B. Stand underneath it

Somebody is trying to kill you. You've locked the door so they cannot kill you. You:
A. Hold the lock down because you prefer living over dying.
B. Let the killer try to unlock the door while you stare at it, then stack some things next to a window to escape (taking your time, of course, no need to hurry), then jump through said window into plainly visible razor wire.

You suspect some people to be witches who murder your peers & fellow students. You:
A. Get the fuck out of there.
B. Wait until nobody else is around and then try to find the murderer/witch's secret hideout.

If you have a grain of common sense, A is the obvious answer.
Select option B every time, throw in grating/annoying music and trippy visuals...viola! You have Suspiria!
A movie that defies logic and should be avoided at all costs.

I gave it one last shot. It's time to move on. :(

[Ron]

Cool; I felt alone on this one until now.
ADDED:
Pop Quiz:
You suspect some people to be witches who murder your peers & fellow students. You:
A. Get the fuck out of there.
B. Wait until nobody else is around and then try to find the murderer/witch's secret hideout.


You see, you can apply this type of logic to almost any movie to make it sound like a stupid, undesirable viewing experience:confused:

[Monkey]

You see, you can apply this type of logic to almost any movie to make it sound like a stupid, undesirable viewing experience:confused:
This post was originally intended to debate the merits of this film, but screw it.
We'll just agree to disagree on the quality of this flick.

See ya.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

I still much prefer Deep Red over Suspiria. Although I will say that Suspiria is the best, as far as cinematography and the overall look.

[girlychaos]

Finally watched it for the first time last night. I liked it...it's far from being perfect, but it's good.

The music gets too loud and annoying at times, but the sets are so bright and vivid. Those into architecture and design (like myself) will have a blast due to the sets alone. Colors and styles...even gets too busy at times with the patterns, but it's still very interesting.

After watching a few of Argento's movies, I'll say this...he really digs him some maggots and other gross stuff. :p

[MaDMaNMaRz]

I agree with you, Pri. I think Suspiria is great, but definitely not perfect.

If you want to see some more maggots, you should check out Lucio Fulci's City of the Living Dead. It has a great maggot scene. :D

[The 5th Golden Girl]

Suspiria may be my favorite "supernatural" movie of all time.

[WesReviews]

Love this film. There aren't many horror movies I would re-buy on Blu-Ray, but Suspiria is definitely one that I will.

Ever notice the obsession with running water that Dario seems to have at times? The extreme close-ups of the rainwater running into the drain outside the airport in Suspiria. Another example is the close-up of the running water coming out of the bath tub faucet in Deep Red. Normally I wouldn't think anything of stuff like this, but it's almost like he goes out of his way to crash zoom to running water. You have to wonder what the deal is.

I guess I shouldn't question his genius, though. At least back then. Not so much these days. :/

[nottidelterrore]

I've had the 2 disc version from Blue Underground for like two years now and still haven't rewatched it. I can't remember the last time I watched this classic. I have Daemonia's cover of the theme on my MP3 player.

[The Dream Master]

I've wondered about the water motif, especially in Suspiria; usually, water is associated with purity and rebirth of some sort, but it takes on a more sinister tone when Argento uses it. I guess maybe he's playing off the juxtaposition and inverting the expectations; instead of using water as something that washes away transgression and purifies, it's used in a more overbearing, aggressive manner.

But really, knowing Argento, he probably just thought it looked cool. And it does.

[Sutter Cane]

So can I come clean about something? I hate this film. Big time. I tend to feel that way about most Argento films.

[Deathscythe]

Finally watched it for the first time last night. I liked it...it's far from being perfect, but it's good.

The music gets too loud and annoying at times,p

Same, I just watched it for the first time last night and I also felt the music was too loud. Also, what was up with that whole barbed wire scene...made me go "What the fuck?"

But other then that, I enjoyed this film. It had a creepy vibe to it the whole time and an interesting story.

[Scarecrow]

Same, I just watched it for the first time last night and I also felt the music was too loud. Also, what was up with that whole barbed wire scene...made me go "What the fuck?"

But other then that, I enjoyed this film. It had a creepy vibe to it the whole time and an interesting story.

Seriously though... tottally missing the point.

The music is *meant* to be so loud, it's meant to almost drown out the voices, it's almost an entire character in the film. The sound is design to disorientate the viewer, to add to the nightmarish atmosphere by keeping the viewer straining to fully appreicate the details. Distortion of sound is a key plot point, echoing the distortion of visionA rgento loves to use. Because in these films what you see/hear is vital and might not be what you *think* you see and hear. The loud storm at the start and the missing words, drowned out by sound, are the key to the whole mystery.



- Scarecrow

[Deathscythe]

Well, I understand that, but I was watching it late at night with other people asleep in the house. So every time the music came on, I put the volume down...then put the volume up when the dialogue started to hear them. It got annoying.

The barbed wire scene, that just made me go WTF. So random.

[girlychaos]

Of course we know it being loud is not random, still doesn't keep it from being annoying at times.

To me it doesn't really accomplish what it's supposed to, it just gets in the way.

[The Tall Man]

Of course we know it being loud is not random, still doesn't keep it from being annoying at times.

To me it doesn't really accomplish what it's supposed to, it just gets in the way.
^^ Quoted for troof.

Just because it's an intentional directorial call doesn't mean it was the right one.

T.M., Esq.

[The Dream Master]

It's the right call if you watch it how it's intended to be. If you're watching it and are worried about waking people up, you're fucked. But if you watch it with the volume kept at a consistent level, it's fine, and works really well. If there's one thing that shouldn't be knocked about Suspiria, it's the sound design, which is just incredible.

[Deathscythe]

I If you're watching it and are worried about waking people up, you're fucke.

Probably, but I still enjoyed it anyways. Great film, my first exposure to Dario Argento.

[girlychaos]

I wasn't worried about waking anyone up and it was still annoying to me. Sometimes you have to understand that some things will work for some viewers, but not for others. Saying it "shouldn't be knocked" cause it's "incredible" is really your opinion (I'm sure you're not alone, but still...it won't necessarily work for everyone regardless of it being intentional or not).

Honestly, the movie is way more about visual design than sound design. It's defined by the first and not the latter.

[The Dream Master]

I disagree big time; both the Goblin score and the visuals are equally important, especially considering the movie doesn't really have a plot. Without one or the other, it wouldn't be nearly the film that it is. In fact, it's a minor miracle that the movie is as good as it is, and it has everything to do with both sight and sound. The sound design is incredible in the sense that it does exactly what it's supposed to do: disorient and engulf. And if you're talking about a horror movie that thrives on atmosphere and not much else, I'd say that those 2 things are the name of the game.

[The Tall Man]

I wasn't worried about waking anyone up and it was still annoying to me.
I was worried about falling asleep...

Zzzzz...

T.M., Esq.

[girlychaos]

It's your opinion. It's getting old how every now and then people post something like it's the freaking gospel when it's really their opinion. So, if someone else has a different opinion it doesn't count? It's not a fact like your age or height, it's how you feel about something in particular. Sure, others feel the same way as you, but others also feel the same way as me. Does it mean I'm wrong or you're wrong? No, we just have different opinions.

To me the sound doesn't pair up with visuals, it actually gets in the way a lot. If the score was different, I might've enjoyed the movie even more. Incredible means more than something that disorients and engulfs. I can accomplish that by making a really loud noise when people are not expecting it...like throwing down a dozen of pans and pots. Is that incredible? No, just really annoying.

[The Dream Master]

I can throw pots and pans too and make people jump, but I can't do it in a musical fashion and make it sound really cool like Goblin did on Suspiria.

I would just say "that's my opinion," but I just assume that people already know that my posts are my opinion, considering I'm the one typing them. What are we all supposed to do, say how we feel, then let others say the exact opposite and worry about their feelings getting hurt when we disagree, especially when this forum is deader than shit? That's not a discussion; it's tip-toeing. You don't see me getting pissed because some people don't like the soundtrack. More power to them, but that doesn't mean I can't tell you why I enjoy it.

[girlychaos]

My feelings didn't get hurt and I certainly didn't get pissed. I only even watched the movie once, and like I said before, the score did not work for me.

Thing is, the way people post stuff sometimes really makes me think if you don't agree with what they're saying, it means you're a moron who knows nothing about movies. I think that's unfair...being a little humble every now and then will do no harm. That's all I'm saying.

[The Dream Master]

Well, if you can find anywhere that I came across like that in this post...

It's the right call if you watch it how it's intended to be. If you're watching it and are worried about waking people up, you're fucked. But if you watch it with the volume kept at a consistent level, it's fine, and works really well. If there's one thing that shouldn't be knocked about Suspiria, it's the sound design, which is just incredible.

Then more power to you. I really think you're reading way too much into it.

[girlychaos]

It's not about what's in your post, it's about what isn't. There are no "IMO", "to me", "that's how I felt about it" to be found, and like I said, I think it doesn't hurt to make that clear every now and then.

Honestly though, you're making way too much out of this. I wasn't attacking you or anything, just pointing out that people - definitely not only you - tend to post stuff like their opinion is the right one and it's all that matters. It's such a common thing on message boards...it gets old sometimes, really. I was just expressing my feelings about it, no biggie. No need to get defensive about it.

[The Dream Master]

Wait a minute...you're the one that brought it up. A couple of people happened to just disagree with what you said, and you felt it necessary to comment on the tones of the posts, so of course someone might want to stick up for themselves. It was obviously a "biggie" if you felt the need to comment on it. If anyone is coming off as defensive, it isn't me.

As for "what's missing" in my posts, I already addressed that. And I'm sure I can point to hundreds if not thousands of posts on this forum that are missing the same thing. I'm sorry if you think it makes me come off as being authoritative and dismissive, but that's not my intentions at all.

[girlychaos]

God, here we go.

I don't care if you agree with me or not. You make it sound like I'm the one bothered when people express a different opinion than mine and it's so far from the truth. I embrace different opinions. Diversity FTW. But I always make clear that they're mine, not the "right" one or the "best" one.

You do come off like that whether you mean to or not, and I simply pointed it out. Can't take criticism for the things you post? Cause that's all it was. Maybe what you mean is that I should have just kept it to myself, but why would I do that? It's a message board for crying out loud. I have no idea why it's such a big deal to you that I simply commented on how some posts come off like that. I told you already it's not just about you, and most definitely not just in this thread...at all. I didn't attack you or anything, just pointed out how those posts make people - not just me - feel sometimes.

[The Dream Master]

I really don't think you should be playing the victim. I contributed to the discussion in a perfectly acceptable way and got called out for the tone and style of the post. I never once said you shouldn't post it, but you really shouldn't be surprised when someone posts back. If anything, it sounds like you didn't expect to be called back out. I mean, if you've got the right to post, everyone else does too.

But I always make clear that they're mine, not the "right" one or the "best" one.


I bet I can find plenty of posts--maybe even one or two in this thread--where you don't feel the need to qualify it with "it's my opinion." But you wouldn't see me accusing you of anything for not doing it.

But anyway, I'm over it. It's not a big deal.

[girlychaos]

I'm not playing the victim, just getting tired of repeating myself over and over again. It baffles me that some people here cannot handle being called out on stuff they do.

I never said you needed to make clear you're posting your opinion in every post you make, I even said "every now and then" it wouldn't hurt.

I said it wasn't a big deal before and you disagreed, now you're agreeing just so you'll have the last word in this, which is another typical behaviour of people who tend to be authoritative on message boards. I will let you have it though cause the thread's been derailed long enough as it is and I said all I had to say about it (multiple times). If you can't understand where I was coming from and that I wasn't attacking you at all, it is just too bad.

I'm completely over it for sure.