Annie's death in part 1...

[Paradox Lost]

Anyone else bothered by this particular F13 death?

She was just so sweet and likable. Yeah, I suppose her personally falls into one of the categorical bins that more or less guarantees death, but why did they have to make her so nice? Just a girl on her way to pursue her dream of working with children.

Seriously, what did she ever do to anyone? :sniffle:

[Uncle Hoody]

She was going to camp blood as a counselor where she was going to no doubt fornicate and do drugs while another young boy drowned. She had to be stopped.

Did anymore kids drown at Camp Crystal Lake?

No because of the hard diligent work started by Pam Voorhees and continued by her dutiful son Jason, no more young children drowned from irresponsible counslers.

[Paradox Lost]

She was going to camp blood as a counselor where she was going to no doubt fornicate and do drugs while another young boy drowned. She had to be stopped.

Did anymore kids drown at Camp Crystal Lake?

No because of the hard diligent work started by Pam Voorhees and continued by her dutiful son Jason, no more young children drowned from irresponsible counslers.

...so what you're saying is...she's a hero.

I can't believe I got it wrong this whole time!

Who needs lifeguards when we have good ol' PSV? We ought to rehire her.

[Darth Reaper]

Anyone else bothered by this particular F13 death?

She was just so sweet and likable. Yeah, I suppose her personally falls into one of the categorical bins that more or less guarantees death, but why did they have to make her so nice? Just a girl on her way to pursue her dream of working with children.

Seriously, what did she ever do to anyone?- Paradox Lost

Annie didn't do anything to deserve what she got, none of them did. That's the point. Pamela was the bad guy and Jason is the bad guy now. They're murderers and what they're doing is wrong regardless of why they do it.

[Paradox Lost]

Annie didn't do anything to deserve what she got, none of them did. That's the point. Pamela was the bad guy and Jason is the bad guy now. They're murderers and what they're doing is wrong regardless of why they do it.

Yes, no one deserves what they got, and what they're doing is wrong, but this is largely besides the point in regards to the specific cinematic idea I'm talking about.

Clearly, people in films are characterized a certain way, such that you like/dislike, care/don't care about them, etc. If a character you really like dies on screen, you're likely to get more of a reaction out of it then if it were someone who simply wasn't resonating with you, hence the importance of the idea of 'caring about' the characters in whatever movie you're watching.

In this particular case, Annie was colored in very likable terms, and I was simply remarking in a semi facetious way to the movie going out of its way to make Annie a really pleasant person before she gets killed off. Of all the deaths in the F13 series, Annie's felt like one of the most unfortunate because she really was presented as just a very nice girl who unsuspectingly picked up a ride with the wrong person.

[Rick]

That's what makes a good horror movie.
Sure, she wasn't in the movie for all that long, but from what we saw she a nice person that something terrible happened to.
I don't want to go overboard and say that her death scene was powerful, but it definitely made you feel sorry for her and gave her death and the movie more impact.
All of the characters in part 1 seemed to be genuinely nice people, which makes what happens to them that much worse.
It's not like most horror movies today where you root for the killer to off someone because they are an asshole or annoying.
She was going to camp blood as a counselor where she was going to no doubt fornicate and do drugs while another young boy drowned. She had to be stopped.

Did anymore kids drown at Camp Crystal Lake?

No because of the hard diligent work started by Pam Voorhees and continued by her dutiful son Jason, no more young children drowned from irresponsible counslers.

Exactly!

[sCabbOy]

What doid any of the victims do? Not much, at least not enough to warrant being murdered.

I loved Annie's death. The build up was great and executed well. It was also great that they made her look like the main star, only to off her in the first act of the movie.

[Darth Sinister]

Not all of the victims in a slasher horror film deserved to die and not all of them were portrayed as assclowns. Having Annie being the opposite of much of the main cast, as well as those in "Halloween", went a ways towards showing that no one would be spared. Good or bad, whoever comes to Crystal Lake and goes into the forest, will pay the ultimate price. Pamela and Jason did not descriminate.

[SaturdayThe14th]

When i first saw the original Friday the 13th i thought she was lik the main character that would eventually kill the killer...boy was i shocked when she was the first one slain by ol' Mrs. V... she should of listened to Enos and Ralph

[HiCkMaN!]

That's what makes a good horror movie.
Sure, she wasn't in the movie for all that long, but from what we saw she a nice person that something terrible happened to.
I don't want to go overboard and say that her death scene was powerful, but it definitely made you feel sorry for her and gave her death and the movie more impact.
All of the characters in part 1 seemed to be genuinely nice people, which makes what happens to them that much worse.
It's not like most horror movies today where you root for the killer to off someone because they are an asshole or annoying.



took the words right out of my mouth!

[Lammert]

I like how they copied this from Psycho. You think she's the main charachter/heroine until....

Poor Annie, the way she meets her death. Good acting.

[4BarrelHemi]

I had no problem with it I thought it was a great kill for the movie.

What better way to shock the audience than kill off someone who seems sweet and innocent (even though we don't really know much about her) and make them seem like she would be a major character in the film only to off her.

[sCabbOy]

I also thought it was great acting for what it was. Can't forget Taso Stavrakis doing the kill as Mrs. Voorhees.

[Lammert]

hairy male hands

[Hockey Mask]

What did she do? She hitchhiked. Twice. That is a no-no in horror films.

[Darth Sinister]

Actually, she was hitchhiking to Camp Crystal Lake. That's a big no-no in this series. :p

[Scarecrow]

Well, Mrs Voorhees actually shared this sentiment, Annie was so nice she was gonna spare her, you know? But then she spouted on about hating when people call them "kids" despite saying she was cooking for "kids" herself and Mrs V decided to slash the hypocritical bitchs neck wide open.

True story.



- Scarecrow

[MellySuicide]

Annie's death bothered me the first time I saw it. Over time I got used to the fact that she was meant to die. Oh, and I agree with the poster above!

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

I agree with Melly.

When the death first happened, I actually didn't expect it.

[kiss_armyman1]

" You werent paying any attention"!!! LOL
Im with scarecrow on this ,
"But then she spouted on about hating when people call them "kids" despite saying she was cooking for "kids" herself and Mrs V decided to slash the hypocritical bitchs neck wide open."

That says it all!

[Rich]

That is the whole point of the horror film, or at least on point of them. There are not too many characters who truely deserve theit fate. John from Halloween The Curse of Michael Myers got what he deserved, and Dr. Crews from The New Blood and the teacher from Jason Takes Manhattan got what they deserved, but other then those, I can not think of any characters at the top of my head who deserved what happened to them.

Now, Annie from the original was a very nice girl on her way to her job as a camp councelor. If you think about it, she liked kids so much, in a way, it did not make sense knowing Mrs. Voorhees' motivations to murder Annie. One would think she would have had a little more sympathy for her knowing how much she loved kids. Maybe had Annie not jumped out of the car and tried to run, Mrs. Voorhees would not have murdered her, but rather drove her somewhere else and told her, "walk that way" which would have (unknowingly to her) lead her out of town. It probably pissed of Mrs. V. how she jumped out of the car like that and then Mrs. V. went after her.

Why did Mrs. V. suddenly drive fast? She did that so that Annie would not see the Camp Crystal Lake street sign.

[Chex]

That is the whole point of the horror film, or at least on point of them. There are not too many characters who truely deserve theit fate. John from Halloween The Curse of Michael Myers got what he deserved, and Dr. Crews from The New Blood and the teacher from Jason Takes Manhattan got what they deserved, but other then those, I can not think of any characters at the top of my head who deserved what happened to them.

They deserved to be killed in a gruesome fashion? That's a very extreme view there.
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Maybe had Annie not jumped out of the car and tried to run, Mrs. Voorhees would not have murdered her, but rather drove her somewhere else and told her, "walk that way" which would have (unknowingly to her) lead her out of town. It probably pissed of Mrs. V. how she jumped out of the car like that and then Mrs. V. went after her.

Why did Mrs. V. suddenly drive fast? She did that so that Annie would not see the Camp Crystal Lake street sign.

Sure, she drove on the road that had the sign and only drove faster so she wouldn't have seen the sign, but because she did and decide to bail that's why she was killed? The hell do you think Pamela was going to do to her if she didn't bail or didn't see the sign, drive her to Mexico or some other random camp? Tell her to walk in the wrong direction out of town (which she already was to begin with)? You don't think Pamela would have thought "oh, this girl is going through extremes to get to where she needs to go so she obviously won't try to return"?

[Darth Sinister]

That is the whole point of the horror film, or at least on point of them. There are not too many characters who truely deserve theit fate. John from Halloween The Curse of Michael Myers got what he deserved, and Dr. Crews from The New Blood and the teacher from Jason Takes Manhattan got what they deserved, but other then those, I can not think of any characters at the top of my head who deserved what happened to them.

Now, Annie from the original was a very nice girl on her way to her job as a camp councelor. If you think about it, she liked kids so much, in a way, it did not make sense knowing Mrs. Voorhees' motivations to murder Annie. One would think she would have had a little more sympathy for her knowing how much she loved kids. Maybe had Annie not jumped out of the car and tried to run, Mrs. Voorhees would not have murdered her, but rather drove her somewhere else and told her, "walk that way" which would have (unknowingly to her) lead her out of town. It probably pissed of Mrs. V. how she jumped out of the car like that and then Mrs. V. went after her.

Why did Mrs. V. suddenly drive fast? She did that so that Annie would not see the Camp Crystal Lake street sign.

Pamela only starts speeding up once they're away from the road leading to the camp. She's getting ready to kill Annie and wants to be away from the camp when she does.

[Ron]

Annie needed to die based soley on the fact that the audience needed to be thrown off. She seemed like the virginal heroine. She probably was...until she got her throat cut that is!

[Rich]

I don't know if anyone was thinking "virginal heroin" in 1980. Sure, Halloween came out two years before, but Friday was really only the second film of it's kind, so I'm sure the rules of the slasher film were not fleshout out in the minds of the audiences yet at that time, hence the reason why the films worked.

[Hypnocil]

In this particular case, Annie was colored in very likable terms, and I was simply remarking in a semi facetious way to the movie going out of its way to make Annie a really pleasant person before she gets killed off. Of all the deaths in the F13 series, Annie's felt like one of the most unfortunate because she really was presented as just a very nice girl who unsuspectingly picked up a ride with the wrong person.

I agree, but going by your criteria I'd list Alice's death as the most unfortunate. She was a very likable character, whose life was shattered by the events of part one. She was trying to face her fears on her own terms. Then she's suddenly murdered.

Personally I would have switched Ned and Annie around. I think Robbie Morgan would have added more life to the movie than he ultimately did.

[Paradox Lost]

I agree, but going by your criteria I'd list Alice's death as the most unfortunate. She was a very likable character, whose life was shattered by the events of part one. She was trying to face her fears on her own terms. Then she's suddenly murdered.

Although I agree that the film would seem to cultivate a greater deal of sympathy towards Alice due to the reasons you mentioned, I still think Annie's death possesses a more direct and immediate sense of sympathy because of how upfront and abundant her likable demeanor was. Alice is a more complex character, but Annie has a more straightforward and simple depiction, and I think this corresponds with the impact created by her death (which leads me to my next point)...

Personally I would have switched Ned and Annie around. I think Robbie Morgan would have added more life to the movie than he ultimately did.

Perhaps, but I think you would need to provide some more elaborate structure to her character if your intent was to use her in a more integrated, long-term sense. Annie's syrupy sweetness doesn't seem to have much lasting value beyond the relatively limited use they had for her within the overall film. Ned's obnoxiousness, however, seemed to fulfill a greater function within the broader story than Annie's innocent cheerfulness, despite him being almost as one dimension a character as she was.

[Jason3000]

I disagree...i wish the writers would've had Alice hitchhike with Mrs. Vorhees instead---that bitch was annoying. The whole 'innocent shy virginal girl' thing does not work well with me. It's boring, overplayed, and annoying. Annie would've made a much better main character. She would've fit in with all the other counselors better if she would've actually made it there. She would've probably bonded with Brenda, and she probably would've been concerned about Crazy Ralph.

[Night Prowler]

I remember seeing her the first time i watched it and thought "well she is gonna be the survivior girl!" but she wasnt, it made it even more a mystery

[Christine2009]

her death scene scared me

[Melissa's Necklace]

I never thought she was going to live. BUT, I did think she was a sweet girl. Dunno why I knew she wasn't gonna live...just didn't get that vibe. I did feel VERY bad for her though...as I did for Alice, Debbie, Maddie, Violet (was that her name?), Brenda (hell, most the part 1 and 2 people), and, of course Goddess Melissa ;)

[Lammert]

The whole 'innocent shy virginal girl' thing does not work well with me. It's boring, overplayed, and annoying.

Overplayed??? Remember that F13 was one of the first movies that had this concept... Personally I don't think she was a virgin.

[Uncle Hoody]

Overplayed??? Remember that F13 was one of the first movies that had this concept... Personally I don't think she was a virgin.

What he's trying to say without bragging is that he personally ensured this matter...

[sooners4life98]

Mrs. Voorhees was didn't beat around the bush with annie after she jumped out. As soon as she hurt herself, I was like, one down and who's next.

[The Tall Man]

According to the audio commentary, Alice was in no way a virgin. She survived only because there was no one there for her to get down with, therefore she was more aware of something going on that the others. According to either Adrienne or Victor Miller (I forget which), Alice had a relationship with Steve Christy prior to the movie's events.

T.M.

[girlychaos]

According to either Adrienne or Victor Miller (I forget which), Alice had a relationship with Steve Christy prior to the movie's events.

T.M.

I didn't know that and always thought they had been an item at some point. He looked like he was still into her, but she did seem to have a crush on Bill, IMO.

[SlasherFreak]

If she had a relationship with Steve...how come he had no idea of her artistic abilities? I mean, even someone you were just fucking, you would notice what they do in their spare time when you're not tearing the sugar walls down :D

[Joe Karlosi]

Annie's death is more effective because we get to know her a little, and she's nice. Another death which affects us in this way is Sarah's in THE FINAL CHAPTER.

[girlychaos]

If she had a relationship with Steve...how come he had no idea of her artistic abilities?

Maybe she wasn't always drawing or maybe he just didn't pay any attention, which could be why their relationship stayed in the past. :X