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Melanie Jarvis

07-20-2007, 08:22 PM

What would you consider to be your ideal F13 movie? So basically, if you were given the opportunity to write the next F13, how would you do it?

The Dream Master

07-20-2007, 08:28 PM

Great question/thread.

My ideal F13 would not be a remake, for starters. Instead, I'd like to see a sequel with a winter setting that brings Tommy Jarvis back. It'd basically harken back to the first five films in terms of tone and atmosphere. This means I'd keep Jason hidden in the shadows and use a lot of the prowler/POV shots while he was stalking his victims. Besides those general thoughts, I can't say that I've thought this out a whole lot.

Shoesalesman

07-20-2007, 08:33 PM

Having either Tina, Tommy Jarvis, or Ginny return to face Jason. They're proven survivors that have a history with the killer and may not be as frightened as they initially were. And the fact they were cool characters.

sCabbOy

07-20-2007, 08:35 PM

A sequel to A New Beginning like they were going to do. Tommy's back as the killer along with Shavar Ross and Melanie Kinnamon.

Jigsaw

07-20-2007, 09:23 PM

I would make my F13 movie a throwback to the first six movies and keep it a very dark and serious film. I'd probably have a past survivor or two of Jason's return. With Jason he would be in his zombie state circa Jason Lives but he would have a lot of aspects of his character from Parts 2-4 in him as well and I would delve into his past and make him a tragic yet menacing character.

Darth Sinister

07-20-2007, 09:42 PM

Another sequel, but one that's more standalone than anything. Use the empty space from FvsJ, but don't reference it or Jason X. The style and tone needs to be like the first few films and not like the latter ones. Jason can still be zombie like. We don't have to see Jason in frame for every scene, just for the kills. Otherwise the classic stalking, point of view moments. Harry Manfredini doing the score, featuring a mix of old and new material. Kane Hodder would be fine, but someone else can do it. The cast be a bit more than one dimensional. Their characters have more to them, yet some still fall prey to the classics elements. Gore by KNB effects. Jason uses a wider array of weapons, in addition to a few classic pieces. I'd like to see Jason use like a sledgehammer, an electric drill, a sword (an actual one) and of course, a chainsaw. A winter setting with actual snow would be optional. Any scenes that take place within the town of Crystal Lake needs to be filmed in Blairstown. A thunderstorm and a full moon.

And of course, as a separate film that's the 13th one, go for a blowout by having as many returning characters as possible. Including having Corey Feldman as Tommy Jarvis.

Jigsaw

07-20-2007, 09:46 PM

I agree with a lot of what you said, DS, except for Corey Feldman returning as Tommy. I really wouldn't want to see him back in the series, and would rather they get either Thom Matthews or a new actor for the character. For Jason I'd like to have C.J. Graham reprise the role, and I agree that Jason needs a lot more weaponry. One weapon I've always wanted to see him use is a jackhammer.

Melanie Jarvis

07-21-2007, 12:10 AM

Definitely a big thing for me would be to have some characters return. I wouldn't mind seeing Corey Feldman return, or having a reunion between Trish and Tommy(part 5 never states what happened to Trish after part 4). I also wouldn't mind seeing Chris return, possibly fresh out of the mental ward.

Lammert

07-21-2007, 01:28 AM

My ideal F13 movie would be a sequel to The Final Chapter, about 20years later...

Ron

07-21-2007, 02:39 AM

A sequel to A New Beginning like they were going to do. Tommy's back as the killer along with Shavar Ross and Melanie Kinnamon.

you're really married to the idea of following after 5, huh? nonetheless, i think bringing tommy back as the killer would have been great, as well as, bringing jamie lloyd back as the killer in halloween after 4. those two moves may have restored realism and seriousness to both series.

sCabbOy

07-21-2007, 03:25 AM

you're really married to the idea of following after 5, huh? nonetheless, i think bringing tommy back as the killer would have been great, as well as, bringing jamie lloyd back as the killer in halloween after 4. those two moves may have restored realism and seriousness to both series.

Yeah, I thought keeping the series somewhat set in reality would have been better... and I am sure the series would have gotten more respect if it did so.

DavidDunn

07-21-2007, 03:55 AM

Ron

07-21-2007, 04:17 AM

for a self-proclaimed amateur writer you're a friggin pro!!

DavidDunn

07-21-2007, 04:23 AM

for a self-proclaimed amateur writer you're a friggin pro!!

Well, I am double majoring in theatre arts and communications to become a filmmaker. Thanks for the compliment.:)

JVY2K

07-21-2007, 08:36 PM

I had an idea for a sequel that documents how Jason returned to Crystal Lake from Manhattan, among other things. My title for it was Friday The 13th Part XI: Jason Season. I'm in the middle of writing "Eastman and Laird's Casey Jones" right now, but once the production gets rolling with it, I might focus my attention on the script for Part XI.

This film basically re-examines the notion of a Rob Dier-like character. Jason's been missing for weeks, and has been spotted in the NYC area, so a team of amatuer filmmakers get the bright idea to go to Crystal Lake and shoot a Camp Blood mockumentary, Blair Witch style. Among them is young Claudia Feldman, who is living an ideal mid-'1990s teen girl life. With a loving family, including her little brother Kyle, she accepts her boyfriend's proposal to go shoot the film at Crystal Lake over the weekend. Meanwhile, Jason has hoboed his way onto a train after killing a federal guard in Manhattan and swiping his clothes (JGTH outfit). He makes it to Crystal Lake when they do, and proceeds to slaughter them one by one and acquring his new hockey mask from the actor playing Jason. Claudia is the last one left, and Jason's murdering her is caught on film by her camera dropped on the ground. The police recover the bodies, the Feldman family is in shambles, and little Kyle watches the tape at 8 years of age. He swears revenge.

In 2008, after the new wing construction in Crystal Lake has begun by John Christy and his family (the construction in FvsJ), their son Eric goes hiking in the area, only to stumble upon Jason's Part 2 shack. Jason of course kills him, and this rich branch of the Christy family sends out the call for hunters to come in and recover their son, playing it off like he may be lost or injured. The call is answered by multiple hunters, including a fully grown Kyle, who has been training military-style for the past 12 years to destroy Jason's life, like Jason destroyed his. The hunters are all dispatched quickly by Jason, save for Kyle, who is possibly an even more dangerous and unstable being than Jason himself. Kyle wants no money for the recovery of Eric Christy's body. He just wants three things: full advantage and control of Wessex County for his hunt, Jason's mask (promised to him by his sister upon the film crew's return), and to burn Jason's altar to his mother to the ground. Armed with automatic weapons, claymore mines, barrels of flammable liquids dumped all over the lake, and the mind of a killer, Kyle sets in to make sure that this is Jason's final Friday.

This ignores Jason X, and makes FvsJ Part 10. Jason dies in a way that not even the Hellbaby can return. This film would bring back a lot of things from the past films as well as adding a few new things. There are no dumb teenagers. Just hunters as the victims. The film is set to be very epic, and anything but low budget. I've toyed with the idea for sometime now, and I think that when the Casey Jones script is fully finished, I'll start on this one.

Jason would be designed by John Carl Buechler, and the FX would be done by Tom Savini. Harry Manfredini along with Hans Zimmer would score the film and for Jason, I would cast either Kane Hodder or Richard Brooker.

That's pretty sweet!

I had a similar idea of a Part IX that began in NY and ended in Crystal Lake. It opened with a shot of the Lazarus bobbing up and down in the water. The opening dialogue "A Titanic story revisited" or something. Divers are pulling out all the bodies from the sinking boat.

Jason wakes up in the sewers and trudges over to his burnt mask and picks it up, slipping it over his face. We then watch as it sizzles and melts its way into his face giving it that JGTH look. He's then taken down by a task force (that later turn out to be government men who've been after Jason for awhile) and as they cart Jason away, we see the shadow of a man in a long coat and a hat follow them.

While driving Jason away in a van he comes to and takes the task force out, two of them fleeing down a dock. He kills one while the other jumps on a boat and tries to take off. Jason climbs on, grabs him and kills him by dunking him head first into the propeller. He then finds a boiler outfit on the board and swaps it with his tattered rags, giving him the JGTH outfit.

That was the opening for Jason. I also introduced Roy as a returning character who'd survived. He was getting therapy sessions from Ginny after having been possessed by Jason. Ever since 5, he's had a psychic connection with him and every murder Jason's committed since Roy has had to watch through Jason's eye. Ginny also had her own agenda as she wanted to use Roy for revenge against Jason. She ends up helping him break out of the psyche ward where he dons as Jason costume and does battle with Jason later in the film.

Tommy is also introduced, having been sent to prison for the murders of Jason Lives. With no one but Megan who was already a criminal having broken him out of jail and a bunch of kids to corroborate his story and nobody believing his rants that Jason was chained underwater, he'd gotten life in prison for the murders. His jail cell is decorated in masks and pictures of his family. He's got long hair and a scraggily beard. Duke ends up breaking him out of prison and they both pursue Jason together as well. Duke has a cool back-story as having been Reggie from 5. I have a cool dream sequence where Duke, Tommy and Roy all have the same dream together.

Elias Voorhees makes his way into the script as well. I never got very far with his character and I ended up writing another script a few years later where I tweaked his character into a cooler version of how I had him in this one. This script still remains unfinished but it's something I might bust out again one day. Right now my writing is kinda on the back burner but maybe someday :)...

This is a cool thread. Keep the ideas comin' :)...

Darth Sinister

07-21-2007, 09:11 PM

Jigsaw

07-21-2007, 09:52 PM

If I wanted to do a revelation of why Jason is the way he is, I'd say something simple and similar to what's in FvsJ. That Jason has a rare gene that makes him practically immortal. It's pure, simple and doesn't require supernatural means.

I feel the same way. To me Jason is immortal because he was born that way, there's something in his genes that makes him unkillable. It's nothing supernatural, it's just the way he is.

JVY2K

07-21-2007, 10:10 PM

Yeah, I wouldn't mind seeing Elias Voorhees. An interesting idea would be another whodunit in the same vein as the fifth film, only it's Elias Voorhees but he gets killed at the end of the second act, which then leads to Jason showing up and finishing out the story.

If I wanted to do a revelation of why Jason is the way he is, I'd say something simple and similar to what's in FvsJ. That Jason has a rare gene that makes him practically immortal. It's pure, simple and doesn't require supernatural means.

I think you mean Jason X, where they reveal he has a unique ability to regenerate lost and damaged tissue.

Interesting side note about that, it was actually on the old old old board back in '99that myself and One of the Dead (not sure if you were around back then) came up with the regeneration theory and debated it back and forth. It was around the time the first Jason X pics surfaced and we saw that he had human hands. I don't remember who started the discussion between me or him but we both got right into it. Discussing how Jason looked far more human in JX and further more much more human in JGTH as he had the previous films. And when you look at the movies, from 6-8 Jason is worse looking in each movie. In 6 he's still fairly meaty, albeit it rotting decomposing meat but no bones showing through yet. Then in 7, he's far more skeletal with his bones now starting to show through and his face shaped more like a skull then in 6. And by the time we get to 8, with all the time Jason's spent underwater, he's practically decomposed into mush. His face collapsing in and his body all slimy. Basically even though he had the ability to walk after death, his body still continued to decompose like that of a normal corpse.

Then JGTH kicks in and Jason has far more meat on his body. No longer are the bones showing through and he actually bleeds. Something he hadn't done since 4. Plus he has hair slowly starting to grow back and a heart, going to show that his inside organs have reconstructed themselves. In 7, there's no way Jason had any working organs in that skeletal body he had. And when we move to JX, again still allot more meat on his body. Allot more hair and his hands are no longer rotten but now resemble hands of a normal man. His face as well is far more regenerated then the caved in look of part 8. If you look closely it actually resembles a rotted regenerating Final Chapter look, which was after all Tom Savini's take on what young Jason would have looked like thirty years later. And with FvsJ now out, we can factor that in as further regeneration from JGTH as Jason now bleeds even more and obviously has a blood stream to have been able to be drugged up like that.

Obviously the idea wasn't to show Jason rotting from 6-8 and then regenerating from 9-X but that was the debate we got into that night (FvsJ not being discussed obviously) and I love how that regeneration theory that was originally discussed and debated by myself and One of the Dead (amazing poster and you'll see why I say that if he ever comes by here) made it's way into many debates on message boards so much so that Todd gave a nod to it in JX and it actually made it onto the screen. A small tiny bit of me is in that film :)...At least I like to think so. I have no idea if it was the two of us who first came up with it or if other people had as well, all I know is we had a great debate over it in 1999 and over through the years it ended up in JX.

:jason:

CampNewBlood

07-22-2007, 12:07 AM

Well it would have to have the same atmosphere and setting as the early films. That's what needs to be brought back. Jason jas already been to New York and to space, and he's already had a "versus" so that's needs to be over and done with.

Deathscythe

07-22-2007, 12:25 AM

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/8750/jasontakesdawsondy4.jpg

Believe people, believe!

Melanie Jarvis

07-22-2007, 01:17 AM

You know, I watched "Dawson's Creek" for the whole 6 years that it was on just because it was kind of addicting, but the writing got pretty bad near the end. I so would not mind having a Capeside massacre. They actually did have a Friday the 13th episode in one of the earlier seasons. But no one got killed. It was actually a very stupid episode.

Deathscythe

07-22-2007, 02:31 AM

Was that the episode when the power blacks out and someone theratens Jen on the phone?

Don't ask how I know that.

Rich

07-22-2007, 04:05 AM

Well, I started writing it a long time ago. One day I actually plan on finnishing it, but I've got other things to do in my life currently.

Basically it is s sequel that picks the story line up where Friday the 13th - The Final Chapter left off. The authorities go to find the body of Jason where Tom and Trish said he was and all they find is blood, but no body or mask. It basically picks up from there.

One of the reasons I have never finnished that story is because I am trying to make some big character/story decisions reguarding Tom and Trish's father. I have a good 5 or 6 chapters written already, but I will not continue it until I have a set vision. I would rather wait and write the best story I can then just finnish fast and have it not to my liking as much. I am enjoying the hell out of it though, just taking my time, and basically developing a story.

Joshg

07-22-2007, 05:35 AM

Set in winter

Bring back Tommy Jarvis or Chris Higgins in the beginning...and kill him off! Like what they did with Alice in Part II. That'd be a shocker.

After credits roll, we see a guy in Crystal Lake town, buying a drink, and sees a hooker come in. She says stuff, like, "ya want a good time", blah blah. He says sure, but he's meeting some friends up at a certain place(aka, originally Higgins Haven). She says i'll meet you at up the road, blah blah.....she's walking down the road, spots a burnt borken down diner (from Part 1) and sees the guys car outside. She waits around, finds him, they are about to make love, but she has to use the washroom first. Blah blah, she returns, hes not there, she looks for her bag, which has her skates in it. Jason comes from behind he, pushes her onto the counter, and slices her stomach with the skates. The guy tries to look for her, can't find her, returns to his car/van and "wham", gets a cleaver imbedded into his face horizontally, blinding his eyes.

Meanwhile, two girls and four guys stuffed into a car are going to Higgins Haven, for the New Years or whatever. Their friend is already waiting for them there (a she). The guy who as killed was going to meet them there, but he never showed. And, another car with four girls is going to spend time at Higgins Haven too. Blah blah, sex, unfunny jokes, character development, nudity, creative deaths, poissibly a lesbian, two friends being racist towards each other (but in a kidding way) and you include the abusive boyfriend and the girl who you think is going to survive, but then it switches and she dies! A score relevant to the first five, snow storm, blood on snow, icicles, frozen windows, ski poles. You've got yourself a classic slasher flick. haha,

Jigsaw

07-22-2007, 06:13 AM

Then JGTH kicks in and Jason has far more meat on his body. No longer are the bones showing through and he actually bleeds. Something he hadn't done since 4.

He bled at the end of Jason Lives after the boat propeller tore is neck open.

JVY2K

07-22-2007, 06:18 AM

He bled at the end of Jason Lives after the boat propeller tore is neck open.

I don't think that was blood. It looked more like rotted flesh and dry blood being mixed up. If he was bleeding in 6, he would have bled when shot rather then just have dust burst out his back. Jason was as dry as a bone in 6, prior to hittin' the water. And the rain of course from the beginning.

Joshg

07-22-2007, 09:26 PM

I thought it was blood.

Didn't he bleed somewhat when the mask tightened on his head in Part VII too?

DRE

07-22-2007, 09:55 PM

I feel the same way. To me Jason is immortal because he was born that way, there's something in his genes that makes him unkillable. It's nothing supernatural, it's just the way he is.

Jason as an X-Mutant? I don't know about that one Digger.

JVY2K, I remember those posts from back then, and they were all very interesting theories. I too hope that One of the Dead makes his way back here to keep the blood warm. The Reverend Tegoth also had some interesting theories about Jason.

Darth Sinister

07-22-2007, 11:30 PM

I think you mean Jason X, where they reveal he has a unique ability to regenerate lost and damaged tissue.

Shit, I forgot that. I turn 29 and start forgetting things. :p

Interesting side note about that, it was actually on the old old old board back in '99that myself and One of the Dead (not sure if you were around back then) came up with the regeneration theory and debated it back and forth.

I was there in 01. In 99, I was only getting to surf the net. Never went in for the message boards. Not until 01.

Jigsaw

07-23-2007, 01:34 AM

Jason as an X-Mutant? I don't know about that one Digger.

I don't think he's a mutant or anything, he just simply has something in himself that makes him immortal. He's not supernatural or genetically altered or anything, that's just the way he was born in my eyes.

JVY2K

07-23-2007, 06:38 AM

I thought it was blood.

Didn't he bleed somewhat when the mask tightened on his head in Part VII too?

It's more of a brownish goop that comes out of his head when the mask tightens. Water and other guck that's formed in his rotting head. He's practically a walkin' skelaton in VII, there's no way he had a blood stream ;)...

Jason as an X-Mutant? I don't know about that one Digger.

JVY2K, I remember those posts from back then, and they were all very interesting theories. I too hope that One of the Dead makes his way back here to keep the blood warm. The Reverend Tegoth also had some interesting theories about Jason.

Hell yeah man! I used to love debating Jason back then. That thread went on forever, think it even carried over a page. That was really the only time him and I conversed. Couple times in the chat, but not too much. Just that one night. I loved reading his posts though.

Mr. Undertaker

07-23-2007, 07:23 AM

IMO the ideal F13th movie would be in jason perspective.....that would be something interesting......sorry if someone already said that....if so I agree with you... :D

Jigsaw

07-23-2007, 07:50 AM

IMO the ideal F13th movie would be in jason perspective.....that would be something interesting

I'd like to see that as well, seeing the film from his perspective and getting more insight into his past and how he operates.

Melanie Jarvis

07-23-2007, 07:52 AM

I was actually thinking today that they should come out with a modern version of the F13 video game, that puts you in the shoes of Jason. Kind of like what they did with the Jaws game.

Jigsaw

07-23-2007, 07:58 AM

That's be awesome and I'd totally play that. It'd be cool to play as both the Human and Zombie versions of Jason, both having their strengths and weaknesses and both being better for certain types of situations.

Mr. Undertaker

07-23-2007, 07:59 AM

The Dream Master

07-23-2007, 10:04 AM

If it used a similar engine to Manhunt, it could be pulled off for sure.

JVY2K

07-23-2007, 04:52 PM

I'm not sure if you know it, but a member of the older forum was coming up with a game like that....you might find it on google.....i found it on you tube.
I'm sorry i can't remember his name....cool guy though

Was it Kenneth Beard? He did a couple F-13 games I remember back in the day when I used to talk to him.

Lammert

07-23-2007, 05:05 PM

Ok what about this...

Once Jason fully re-generates he loses his immortality and super strength, and is the undamged Jason again like in Part 2(but aged).

A theory:

When the lightning hit him in Part 6 his cells were mutated and charged so much that his tissue re-generation increased grew, wich he had a little in Parts 2 till 4(its a fact that some people heal faster and recover faster from wounds then others). So his cells went bezerk becuase of the lightning energy and started to repair damaged and lost tissue. Since his tissue kept getting damaged in the later movies his body as unable to recover a full 100%. But what if it would recover? If all his cells are repaired and back to normal he could be human again.

It would be nice to see in a possible sequel that somebody stabs him that he can feel the pain again... a human Jason is much more scarier imo.

Rich

07-23-2007, 05:36 PM

It was definitaly blood at the end of Jason Lives. It was red and flowing like a water fall out of Jason's neck after the boat cut him to sh*t. He definitaly bled. I believe there are parts of his body that still contain a little bit of blood. Remember also with his regeneration it is perfectly believeble that he would bleed.

Darth Sinister

07-24-2007, 02:58 AM

I don't think he's a mutant or anything, he just simply has something in himself that makes him immortal. He's not supernatural or genetically altered or anything, that's just the way he was born in my eyes.

Being a mutant is not like it is in the Marvel Eniverse or the various comic universes that practically ripoff the mutant theme. Mutant is a strong term, but basically Jason's "immortality" is a genetic abnormality. Mutation can apply, but it is not necessary.

Besides, I tend to think Jason had this all along. I think he did drown in the lake, but came back to life and that's how he is able to live off in the woods. This carried over when he was able to move his arm in the third film and wasn't bleeding through Harold's shirt, cause face it, you get fucked up like that, you're not going to be doing too well.

Mr. Undertaker

07-24-2007, 06:16 AM

Was it Kenneth Beard? He did a couple F-13 games I remember back in the day when I used to talk to him.

I remembered!!!!1 the guys nickname was Havoc, his page is havocproductions.com, he posted there about the old forum disapereance, i guess he hasnt heard about this one.... i'll tell him.... :D Ps.: the download of the game is free(at least used to be)

Jigsaw

07-24-2007, 07:43 AM

Being a mutant is not like it is in the Marvel Eniverse or the various comic universes that practically ripoff the mutant theme. Mutant is a strong term, but basically Jason's "immortality" is a genetic abnormality. Mutation can apply, but it is not necessary.

Besides, I tend to think Jason had this all along. I think he did drown in the lake, but came back to life and that's how he is able to live off in the woods. This carried over when he was able to move his arm in the third film and wasn't bleeding through Harold's shirt, cause face it, you get fucked up like that, you're not going to be doing too well.

I think largely the same.

Deathscythe

07-24-2007, 08:34 AM

If it used a similar engine to Manhunt, it could be pulled off for sure.

Didin't that game get banned through?

The Dream Master

07-24-2007, 08:48 AM

The sequel is being rated AO (adults only), which means it'll have a hard time making its way to stores.

The original wasn't banned though, at least not to my knowledge. I played it back when it first came out.

Killa Pimp

07-25-2007, 02:02 AM

I'd like to see a trilogy that ends at part 13.
Putting out one a year like the LOTR trilogy.
Have a decent plot that actually leads somewhere with decent acting and some twists.
(if its a self contained trilogy I wouldn't mind the middle film having a "to be continued" ending if its all wrapped up in the last one.)
But it should have a vicious Jason with way over the top kill scenes.

They could also re-imagine some of the origin because it would tie into the current series and push it forward instead Of the dreaded re-start.

Then they could start over with a new series.
Because I want the Original series to end at 13 badly.

Dead Cell

07-26-2007, 02:53 AM

Agreed. In a couple years we'll have reached the 30th anniversary of Friday the 13th. It's made it this far. It's lasted this long. I'd really, really like to see them make it all the way to a 13th film and then give it a proper end. Unfortunately, thanks to Jason X we either know how the series ends already (chronologically speaking) and thus have to write the ending of the 13th movie so that it ties in with the beginning of Jason X, OR... the 13th movie ignores JX altogether and goes all out with its own ending.

If the 13th movie ended with Jason's capture and confinement at the Crystal Lake Research Facility, the general public might get burned, thinking it's just another contrived plot device to lead into a sequel. Tough one.

*EDIT*

Or... it could be set after Jason X on Earth 2 and you have a bunch of campers who want to get back to nature. Naturally they'd leave all their high-tech gadgets and crap back home. It could work...

Ron

07-26-2007, 02:55 AM

rehab54

09-29-2007, 04:48 PM

I actually wrote a remake script for 'Friday The 13th', which was essentially my ideal film for the series. The idea was also to completely restart the series, so I plotted out the subsequent two screenplays also (although I didn't write them as such). It was violent, serious (I'm a fan of the first 4 films) and intense. I changed things around a bit (being a remake after all), played around with backstory (without demystifying anything - if anything I built on the mythology) and I was really happy with it. Journalists at both Rue Morgue and Fangoria both loved it.

I'd pitched the idea of shopping it to my representation before writing it, but when it was completed, they never got it to New Line - it basically just sat on a desk. Dan Farrands passed it on to Roy Lee for me (who had recently been attached in some way), but he found it 'too dark', I believe. Although I don't really know what 'too dark' means.

I'm really proud of it. It's the best thing on my shelf, where, alas, it seems doomed to stay!

:)

francesco

09-29-2007, 05:03 PM

sorry about that! I'm sure u made a good job!

rehab54

09-29-2007, 05:19 PM

sorry about that! I'm sure u made a good job!

I'd like to hope so. It's difficult with anything that has such a loyal fan following because everybody has their own distinct idea of how things should be built up in their minds and you'll always crash into that.

Still, despite some of the more radical changes I made, it certainly treated the original material with a lot more respect than many other horror remakes I could mention.

:angel:

Germaniac

09-29-2007, 05:32 PM

Jason bled all the way in Jason lives. Just look at the shirt: See the holes where the spear penetrated his shirt/body when tommy stuck him? They are all encircled with a deep-red stain! the sideshow-doll also shows this clearly. And as the others already poimnted out: the water turns red on the surface when Jason is struck by the propeller at the end.

Another hint would be the novelization by Simon Hawke (which is based on the original scipt) where the rgeneration effect is introduced (years before Jason X!). He eyplains that Jason regenerates flesh and liquid (that explains how the dry corpse in the coffin becomes the fleshy, bulky mass later on).

Cody

09-29-2007, 06:22 PM

What would you consider to be your ideal F13 movie? So basically, if you were given the opportunity to write the next F13, how would you do it?

Basically, I would try to make it seem as if Paramount had made another F13 in the early 80s and it was just making it into theatres now.

A return in every way to the look, feel, tone, and style of the first four films. From set-up and structure - a simple stalk and slash story of a group of young people hanging out around the lake and getting killed one-by-one, leading up to a big chase with "The Final Girl" - to Jason looking and acting just like he did in 3/4, and a score that sounds like Manfredini's did at that time.

I wish I had been able to see 2/3/4 when they first came out theatrically, with an audience that was having a lot of fun with them. Since time travel isn't possible, I would try to recreate what I imagine that experience was like for a new audience.

Deathscythe

09-30-2007, 05:09 AM

Yeah, I'd love to have seen Part 3 in 3-D!

Melanie Jarvis

10-03-2007, 04:27 AM

I would love a movie that would just go back to the roots of 1-4. I've always thought that Chris Higgins or Tommy should come back as the Crazy Ralph type. I would love to see a return of some past characters, as well as an original opening credits with a Manfredini score instead of that death metal shit that Ronny Yu put into Freddy vs. Jason. I would also love to see Amy Steel return as well. Maybe with one of the character finally working up the courage to return to Crystal Lake after all of these years, only to find themselves battling Jason once again.

Germaniac

10-03-2007, 09:15 AM

a Manfredini score instead of that death metal shit that Ronny Yu put into Freddy vs. Jason. I would also love to see Amy Steel return as well. Maybe with one of the character finally working up the courage to return to Crystal Lake after all of these years, only to find themselves battling Jason once again.

Ronny Yu didn´t score the movie, Graeme Revell did! And face it: Manfredini stopped to make good scores 20 years ago. Even if he still was as good as back in the days (orchestra instead of synthie) ... his "old school" type of music doesn´t fit today and to todays type of movies. Revell´s score was good. What were you excpecting?

simonthekillerewok

10-07-2007, 04:06 PM

For some reason I've always wished there was a Friday the 13th sequel set around part 3 and 4 in the early 80s as if the final chapter was actually the fifth movie instead of the fourth one, (with a new beginning changed to part 6) meaning I'd want a new sequel after part 3 even though this would be impossible because of part 3's ending matching nicely to the final chapter's opening scene. It's just that I love the way Jason was portrayed in 3 and 4 as well as his appearance that he should have stayed like that in one more movie before he died and became the undead. Did anyone else think like this? I just think 'human' Jason was underused.

Darth Sinister

10-08-2007, 09:59 PM

He was underused because he was only supposed to die off for good. Blame the fanbase of that time for not wanting to go in a new direction.

GrimReaper

10-13-2007, 03:00 PM

1. Bring back Tommy Jarvis and Megan Garris
2. Jason should be played by CJ Graham
3. Jason should have the same clothes as he did in Part 6 but with chain necklace from Part 7
4. Go back to Crystal Lake
5. Jason Should look like he did in part 7 but his face should be in the shadows like in Part 6
6. Bring back the old POV shots

Natman

11-14-2007, 01:49 PM

I actually wrote a complete script for what I consider to be the ideal next Friday. Basically it goes back to the roots but also reinvents the franchise and shows that the series does not need a remake to have a fresh idea. It's also written as the last film, even though it wouldn't be.

The basic idea is that Jason wakes up from the bottom of the lake to do his thing. The entire film is set at the area and focuses more on the town that was barely shown in any of the movies (JGTH doesn't count).

Anyway, a teen runaway and borderline psycho named Violet (bearing NO relation to the character from the Avatar comics) takes shelter for the night at the camp, eventually teaming up with two hitmen, a terrified teen boy and a really pissed off sheriff as the night goes on. Together, as a last and nearly hopeless effort, they gather the entire town together to put Voorhees where he belongs once and for all.

There are also brief flashbacks throughout the film to show bits of both Jason's past and Violet's, basically showing that two people of similar upbringings can come out very different.

Chucky's back

11-16-2007, 04:05 PM

Great question/thread.

My ideal F13 would not be a remake, for starters. Instead, I'd like to see a sequel with a winter setting that brings Tommy Jarvis back.

I read a script like that back at the old days of the F13 forum(or site) It was really good and I think it would've made an excellent movie.

GrimReaper

12-12-2007, 05:38 PM

1. Return To Crystal Lake
2. Give Tommy and Megan a cameo
3. Tina would once again be the main character, although this time her powers will have grown stronger.
4. Jason will once again be played by Kane Hodder
5. Jason would look more human but would still be invincible
6. The characters must be intelligent and likeable
7. There must be at least one scene were Jason smashes through a wall

simonthekillerewok

12-13-2007, 06:33 PM

driftingsun

12-26-2007, 07:41 PM

Pillowcase-head Jason all the way! I'm not sure about continuity; or even if a new film has to fit in chronologically at all (they already kind of did away with linear continuity anyway). What is most important to me is that a new film has to have the atmosphere and feel of the films 1-4, some sort of amalgamation, plot-wise, with solid Manfredini score. I don't know if I am too keen on having returning characters, that seems to be popular with a lot of folks here. I like the idea of not having Jason's immortal and invulnerable nature explained supernaturally, as in Pamela Voorhees making deals with demons, or whatever. I think it should be kept simple, he was just born that way, even though the effects of his condition seem supernatural. Similarly, the circumstances surrounding Jason's drowning-survival and somehow living alone in the woods should also be kept vague, with just a few hints and bits of folklore, some mysteries should be kept mysterious. I like the idea of having both prowler and third person pov shots. There should be lots of lengthy, drawn-out stalk scenes, or scenes where we see Jason hiding behind the barn door spying on his victims, but we never really get a clear shot of him. I guess I really haven't a clue what kind of plot should be the main theme of the story, I don't require much more plot than a simple revenge stalk and slash story. The feel of the movie (with lots of eerie music and thunderstorm effects) is most important to me.
ADDED:
Oh yeah, and they should get a Ted White, or Brooker-esque actor to play Jason, (I'm assuming that those two are getting kind of old to be running around as Jason, but who knows, that's what stunt doubles are for).

Jigsaw

12-27-2007, 03:42 AM

I agree with a lot of what you've said, Driftingsun. I feel Jason definitely needs the hockey mask, it's too iconic and symbolic for him not to have it, but a nod to the pillow case would be cool.

sCabbOy

12-27-2007, 04:01 AM

I agree with the hock, but doesn't that mean he will wear the hock for the WRONG reasons? For nostalgia and not because it's scarier? But, I guess he needs to have it to please fans.

The Dream Master

12-27-2007, 04:04 AM

I agree with the hock, but doesn't that mean he will wear the hock for the WRONG reasons? For nostalgia and not because it's scarier? But, I guess he needs to have it to please fans.

I think he needs it more to please studio execs who know that the hockey mask is too iconic in terms of marketing. :X

Jigsaw

12-27-2007, 04:16 AM

The hockey mask is a classic symbol, Jason without the hockey mask is like Star Wars without Lightsabers.

driftingsun

12-27-2007, 05:12 AM

They could do both in the same film, kind of combine II and III together, but this time, show Jason at the salon getting his head shaved and waxed, before he goes hunting for some different garb! :D

Jigsaw

12-27-2007, 05:40 AM

Ron

12-28-2007, 01:53 AM

I want a human like Jason in the woods killing camp counselors (a remake). There i said it.

Jigsaw

12-28-2007, 01:56 AM

I honestly would not mind a remake. Considering the loose continuity the series has had ever since JTM, a remake honestly wouldn't bother me.

The Dream Master

12-28-2007, 02:01 AM

I want a human like Jason in the woods killing camp counselors (a remake). There i said it.

You can have this without a remake, though. Given Jason's regenerative capabilities, it's possible that he could fully revert back to a human form. It could just be set in a vague time period that occurs somewhere between FvJ and Jason X. It wouldn't have to reference anything before it, so it wouldn't scream "sequel," but it wouldn't be remake, either. It sounds like the new film might be like this anyway, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Jigsaw

12-28-2007, 02:05 AM

I think it's possible that Jason can revert back to his human form because of his regenerative properties, or perhaps if he got into touch with a chemical substance that somehow reverted him back to a human. I would think being buried in JL and FVJ, and being underwater in TNB and JTM affected his regeneration process.

Esten

12-28-2007, 02:09 AM

I want a human like Jason in the woods killing camp counselors (a remake).

You want a remake of part 2? :X If it ain't Pamela doing the killing, then it's technically a sequel that's a bit ashamed of itself.

Ron

12-28-2007, 02:10 AM

You can have this without a remake, though. Given Jason's regenerative capabilities, it's possible that he could fully revert back to a human form. It could just be set in a vague time period that occurs somewhere between FvJ and Jason X. It wouldn't have to reference anything before it, so it wouldn't scream "sequel," but it wouldn't be remake, either. It sounds like the new film might be like this anyway, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Yeah, that's kinda what I mean/want as far as a "remake" goes. Just brining the series back to it's roots more or less.

driftingsun

12-28-2007, 06:47 AM

I always wondered if he shaved his beard and head after Part 2, given that he has some strands of hair visible on his head on TFC and JL. I don't think the Jason we see at the end of Part 2 is the same right after Part 2 though, just Ginny's interpretation of him in her nightmare. I think the Part 3 Jason face we see is the real deal.

That theory (that of the ending scenes of part II being a dream, or not) has been speculated upon, in the past, one of the more interesting side-trips of this forum. I think your right about the part III appearance being what Jason was supposed to look like the whole time, and the hairy mountain-man appearance at the end of part II was supposed to be a dream, or at least Steve Miner said it was, in order to mesh better with the beginning of part III. That would explain why the Jason that Chris remembered from the past looked bald, and not hairy, because he was always bald.

Jigsaw

12-28-2007, 07:03 AM

That theory (that of the ending scenes of part II being a dream, or not) has been speculated upon, in the past, one of the more interesting side-trips of this forum. I think your right about the part III appearance being what Jason was supposed to look like the whole time, and the hairy mountain-man appearance at the end of part II was supposed to be a dream, or at least Steve Miner said it was, in order to mesh better with the beginning of part III. That would explain why the Jason that Chris remembered from the past looked bald, and not hairy, because he was always bald.

This is what I've always believed regarding the ending of Part 2 and Jason's appearances in Parts 2 and 3.

driftingsun

12-28-2007, 05:14 PM

I guess I would like to see a remake also, as close in look and feel as possible to the original films, rather than have them try a new theme, like some crappy versus showdown like Jason vs. Chucky, or Jason vs. The Leprechaun. A wintry setting might be cool though, and that is something that hasn't been done yet.

Jigsaw

12-29-2007, 04:22 AM

I'll admit that I don't mind versus/crossover concepts if they're done right. The original AVP and FVJ aren't examples of how to do them right, but if they did a crossover film like the FVJ Vs. Ash comic, I'd definitely welcome another crossover film.

PsychicParrot

12-31-2007, 02:17 AM

Josh1971

01-08-2008, 01:05 AM

Re: Your ideal F13 movie.

I made it.

Utellme

02-13-2008, 04:37 AM

Since part 6 was my favourite atmosphere, I'd just like to see a gothic Crystal Lake based flick like 6. Really, just ass-kicking Jason doing what he does best. I loved the rave scene in FVJ because of it's sheer barbaric brutality ... you don't expect to see Jason go into a crowd of people and mow 'em down and it would be awesome to see some more of that crazy ass attitude to break up the one by one picking. :dead:

I'd like Jason find a friend one day! I know that sounds absolutely stupid, but just once I think it would be nice if he *didn't* kill someone and that they had some kind of freaky bond... it's something that hasn't really been toyed with in the series and, done right, it could be fun to see just how much faith someone would have in Jason. Imagine sitting in a room with Jason, your new friend, and wondering whether or not you'd be making it out of there. Perhaps you'd try and talk to him or something ... and he'd just sit there.

I'd also love to see Jason takes Iraq hehe :jason:
Yeah Jason making a friend of some sorts or wether it be a sister etc.I don't know how you could incorporate it into the series but if done right it could work. Maybe have Jason and friend as the lone 2 survivors at the end of the film it would at least be something different.

Maybe incorporate the town of Crystal Lake somehow and a return to a dark gothic Camp Crystal Lake such as in part 1 or 6 returning to the original Camp now 28 years later would be sweet.And a damn snow scene there.

DRE

02-13-2008, 04:52 AM

My ideal Friday the 13th film has been made already, it's called The Final Chapter. Everything else is irrelevant to the ideal, everything else is just gravy for the potatoes.

Utellme

02-13-2008, 05:00 AM

I could say the same for 1,2,6 etc.But i like extra gravy so give me more a sequel to JX, a remake, a prequel ,a snow scene.A ultimate box set etc i want my cake and to eat it also.

Ron

02-16-2008, 03:51 PM

I like every film in the sense that they are all unique in there own way.

Abraxas

04-04-2008, 09:01 PM

Hopefully the Friday film Ill be making in the near future will be my ideal

GrimReaper

04-08-2008, 07:57 PM

I've got a great idea it's called
Friday The 13th Part XII Jason Kicks Rob Zombies Ass

Wolfgang

04-27-2008, 08:12 PM

My ideal F13 movie would be anything like F13 1-4. Woods, Campers, high body count, suspense, and creative deaths. That equals my ideal F13 movie.

kramerfan

04-27-2008, 09:39 PM

I agree Wolfgang.

Lammert

05-08-2008, 08:04 AM

- Sequel to The Final Chapter or A New Beginning
- Location at the camp from Part 1 (Blairstown).
- Not seeing the killer all the time.. hide him again..
- Make it dark like 1,2 or 4 (3 was really bright)
- Tom Savini gore effects
- Harry Manfredini score, old re-recorded and mixed with new stuff
- Little references to the first four movies
- Maybe a new killer...? Since Jason's dead now.
- IF Jason returns, wich is almost impossible.. he HAS to be human.

McFly

08-03-2008, 08:34 AM

My thoughts on my ideal F13 movie:

-Hidden killer at the beginning, like Part III and II
-A little bit of comedy, but more of a dark humor.
-A huge showdown at the end.
-High body count with tons of innocent bystanders killings.

MellySuicide

09-29-2008, 12:44 PM

This is a great thread!!

My ideal Friday sequel would be to go back to the feel of the first 4. As grateful as I am to have somewhat recent installments, I just can't get into the modernized versions of the franchise (i.e. Jason X, Freddy Vs. Jason, Etc.). I would love to have the original music, opening credits, and a basic plot with no serious thinking involved. That is why I got into the films in the first place, to be entertained and not think about origins, bloodlines, etc. I know many would disagree, but that is my personal preference. To be honest, I usually watch 1-4, and then the rest on occasion. Though The New Blood is a very guilty pleasure. :D Someone mentioned a winter/snow setting. I think that would be awesome.

Spook

10-20-2008, 09:21 AM

The ideal Friday the 13th sequel for me would be to make Jason scary again. Don't send him off to space, Manhattan, or Hell. Keep him in familiar territory. Also, maybe tie up some loose ends and maybe bring Tommy Jarvis. Keep the story simple, and not complicate things with unnecessary story. I don't really expect much from a Friday the 13th film, other than the obligatory nudity and excessive gore. The key here, though, is to make it scary. I want to be scared by Jason and not laugh at him. That's all it would take to make the ideal F13 for me.

AmonStone

11-11-2008, 06:12 AM

I'd like to see the survivors of the previous films return. Get 4 or 5 of them back to the camp as a kinda counseling thing for survivors of trauma. Jason shows up at the end, and they kick the shit out of him. Finally, once and for all.

Fright Nighter

11-12-2008, 12:27 AM

My ideal F13 movie would be...

A remake/reboot of the series
Going back to the camp/woods setting
Great kills
A lot of suspense
Human Jason
Jason being really menacing/threatening

Pretty much what the remake seems to be doing. Now if it's turns out to be any good, that's yet to be seen.

AmonStone

11-12-2008, 02:29 PM

Maybe a very simple idea would be good. Just a couple of potential victims being hunted by Jason. A couple hiking the Appalachian trail or something. A married couple who are having issues and they decide to spend some time away to work on their relationship, and they come together to fend off Jason. And no worries about continuity, just a stand-alone movie.

Lammert

11-12-2008, 09:04 PM

A true sequel to Friday the 13th Part V: A New Beginning.... or a sequel to Part 1 or 2. Staying in reality.

Violent VictiM

11-12-2008, 09:50 PM

Thac and I thought up this theory a long time ago that what if Jason Voorhees from TFC somehow snuck out of the crime scene and went to a neighboring town to heal his wounds. In ANB, Jason turned out to be Roy so in an attempt to cover things up, Roy was buried as Jason Voorhees to finally stop the worry. Tommy then resurrects dead Roy and Roy is actually still the killer from that point on.

Later on, Jason begins to kill again once he has recovered from a fuckin' machete to the face and is captured by the military and voila; Jason X prequel.

Jigsaw

11-12-2008, 09:52 PM

I must be the only F13 fan who doesn't care about the films being rooted in strict reality. I do want to see the Human Jason back, but this uber-realism stuff is really grating to see. I don't buy the whole "realistic Horror is better because it can happen" BS I see flying around a lot. It's not that realistic for him to have survived all the stuff he did in Parts 2-4.

JVM

11-12-2008, 09:58 PM

Here's what I want to see:

Human/Zombie Jason, like they attempted and failed at in JX and JGTH...I want to see a zombie Jason that LOOKS human.

Jigsaw

11-12-2008, 10:00 PM

To me, Jason is something of an anamoly (sp?), we never know if he's alive or dead or whatever, and I would keep it that way. He's not human and not quite undead, he just is.

Violent VictiM

11-12-2008, 10:02 PM

DRE

11-12-2008, 10:09 PM

I agree with Jigsaw, that whole human = scary jive never flew with me. If I can kill it, I ain't scared of it.

Jigsaw

11-12-2008, 10:11 PM

I always felt that way. I personally have always felt realistic Horror and human killers are overrated (which is probably weird to hear coming from me, given my affinity for a realistic series like Saw), and what's scary isn't automatically determined by whether or not it's realistic or not.

Lammert

11-13-2008, 12:13 PM

I think things that could happen in reallife are scarier then fantasy monsters.

DRE

11-13-2008, 08:24 PM

I think things that cannot be stopped no matter what I do (Natural disasters, a monster that will not die, damn tax auditors) are far more scary than a human hillbilly sackhead killer which I myself can kill with my bare hands.

But let me reiterate, even in Part 2 Jason was no ordinary human killer (where people get that from, I have no idea. That's just as bad as Akkad 'RIP' saying that Myers was always a real human killer. Yeah right), he could be put down but never out.

Jigsaw

11-13-2008, 09:25 PM

Just because something can happen in real-life doesn't automatically make it more frightening, and who says reality has to apply to the world of movies. Just watch the news if you want reality.

Lammert

11-13-2008, 11:06 PM

The news is full of crap with fairytales to make some countries look better or innocent. ;)

It's my opinion. Jason in Parts 3-4 is a weird human, driven bij a force... unpredictable. He was written as a human in Parts 2, 3 and 4. So thats why I'm sticking to that . Like someone once said in an interview "he was just a guy that was hard to kill..."/

Timberwolf Entertainment

01-16-2009, 08:27 PM

I like both Jason's for different reasons so I'm not sure what I'd do.

I helped write and starred as Jason twice. Once in Cold Heart Of Crystal Lake in 2003 (undead) and now I am returning to the role next month in Primal Instinct (living Jason) so maybe I'll have a better opinion after that.

If I was hired by the franchise back in the day around FvsJ I would have done an Undead sequel... but now I'm kinda on the side of the 'campfire tale' remake. Jason being so iconic he can just be reinvented every few years.

Tough choice..

I do know this, even if he was a Zombie I would show more of Jason's human side.. FvsJ started to do this.. and he is ALMOST the hero. Cause Freddy is pure fucking child murdering evil.. Jason is not. He saved the lead characters in FvsJ... and that was brilliant. There is so much conflict in him and he really is a deep character (unlike Michael's blank evil) If I were to write a Jason movie myself..I would get into that.

Rich

01-18-2009, 08:03 PM

Jason is a character of evolution. He started out as a kid who drowned (I will stick to the drowning theory). Then when Mrs. Voorhees was killed, he came back to life and fully grew by some supernatural unexplained events. I know he was written to be human, but the films suggest more of the otherwise to me. Sure, he was born of woman, but so was Freddy Krueger and Count Dracula and THEY are no longer humans, so I think Jason is pretty much no longer human.

I believe that Jason did come back from the dead like The Crow did and grow to full size and haunt the area. He did not have the strength he had in later films in the earlier films, but the strength he did have the ability to take leathal punnishment proves he was more then human even in the earlier ones.

Then when he becomes more of an undead zombie character he is even stronger then ever. He evolves throughout the series, seeming to get stronger every time he comes back from the dead.

I like all of the Jasons pretty much. Jason is a character whom is so different from film to film. He is s seemingly hillbilly mountain man mutant monster in Part 2 but he is a Frankenstein like monster in Part 6 while being have cyborg in Jason X. He is a character of evolution and change and frankly, I think that is what played a major part in the character's endurance.

In the early 80s human murderers are what audiences reacted to, with Michael Myers and a slew of other slasher films. Friday the 13th being the flagship slasher films of that era had a monster that was basically human (even if he was a little more) was a product of the time. Then in the mid 80s whe films like Nightmare on Elm Street, Hellraiser, Return of the Living Dead were popular, it was only logical for Jason to evolve to stay with the times and still be a viable product. He changed with the times and become an undead all out supernatural presense, which is what was in style during that time. He simply kept up with the times. That is why he has endured. They used to say that the only thing that will ever truely kill Jason Voorhees is the box office. Well, Jason Goes to Hell and Jason X proved that NOT EVEN the box office can kill Jason. NOTHING can stop Jason! Critics can't, angry parents can't, religious protestors can't...nothing can.

Jus-X

02-09-2009, 08:02 PM

My ideal F13 would pit Jason vs Michael Myers. It would bring Tommy Jarvis and Tommy Doyle into the picture. Tommy basically finds out Jason had been ressurected and living again in Crystal Lake, and tells the FBI that he is back. The FBI tries another approach, and tracks down Michael Myers, tranquilizes him, and ships Michael out th Crystal Lake many many knifes. Tommy Doyle would appear towards the end, and helps provide Jason with weapons. So it would be Jarvis and Myers versus Doyle and Jason.

Ron

02-10-2009, 02:22 AM

Great post.

CITIZEN'S ARREST!! CITIZEN'S ARREST!!

I've heard some great things about this remake/reboot...I hope it delivers on all counts.

Jus-X

02-10-2009, 05:13 PM

You know all of this talk of zombie jason and human Jason and weather or not people think he drowned makes me think of the charcter of Elias Voorhees, Jason's dad. The novels insinuate hw has something to do with Jason being some sort of immortal or man who can't die. Why not tell a story of what part daddy played in this whole series? He was supposed to have been in part 6 but Paramount didn't like the idea of it

Rick

02-10-2009, 06:59 PM

My ideal Friday the 13th is something simple. Keep it as close to the original 4 as you can.
Simple story, campers in the woods. The legend is told around the campfire. The legend becomes reality as these innocent (well, semi-innocent what with the inevitable pre-marital sex) come to discover that the legend is real.
A Jason that is very similar to Ted White's (which from the reviews of the new film suggest we may be getting that).
Just a bunch of likable characters out for a fun time and massive bad luck befalls them.
Much like the original was, but with Jason.

sambob25

02-11-2009, 08:44 PM

Remember a few years back when there was a rumor (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/mar/09/film.filmnews) started about Quentin Tarantino (http://movies.ign.com/articles/594/594028p1.html) possibly doing a “Friday the 13th” sequel, which would have brought Paramount back into the picture because he supposedly wanted to use the old footage and bring back the “survivors” (I remember hearing Corey Feldman get name-dropped briefly). Yeah, QT quickly debunked (http://www.contactmusic.com/news-article/tarantino-dismisses-links-to-friday-the-13th-sequel) the rumors, but Paramount DID end up re-entering the picture for the remake.

Anyway, a poster at the old message board (heh … are you around here these days? Show yourself if so!) and me got into a back-and-forth about our dream scenarios for such a sequel. They were so good that I actually saved them into a Word document. I thought I’d share them with you guys here. Some of you might actually remember this:

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I got things started …
I always figured the BEST way to pick up and do an old school Friday film where you can essentially start over yet acknowledge the rest of the series at the same time would be to do something like this:

You use the original murder spree (the weeklong Part 2-though-Part 4 slaughter around the lake) as your backdrop. That's the only time in the series that the "newspapers and TV" documented Jason's actions and there was definitely law enforcement action (the cops at the end of 2 and 3, as well as the CSI and morgue in 4). At the end of 4, he was definitely dead.

Now, he's been undead ever since and the supernatural element has made it all implausible (not in the movie world, but in the real world).

If QT does indeed have Paramount on board and he does have an opening montage all in his head (using old footage, one would think), you'd think he could bring back Tommy or Ginny or Trish.

I'm rambling now, but this whole post comes down to this hypothetical dialogue. You could have Tommy or Ginny say something like this in an exposition scene (let's take Part VI out of the equation for a just a sec):

"Twenty years ago, he killed 35 people in a weeklong murder spree
around Crystal Lake. My sister and I finally killed him. But there's
something about this town. Ever since then, people keep turning up
dead and they all say it's Jason. That's impossible. He's dead. I
killed him. How could he come back? I mean, there have been reported
sightings in Springwood, New York and Ohio. There's one girl who
said that her father -- that she killed as a child, mind you --
jumped out of the lake and saved her after she'd fought him with her
-- get this -- telekinetic powers. There's even a couple of kids who
say they fought and killed Jason, except that it wasn't Jason but
people who had been POSSESSED by Jason. It can't be him, can it? But
how do you explain all the dead bodies?"

Now if it is a Tommy movie, since Paramount is involved (and we all know QT's knack for resurrecting careers ... Corey Feldman, anyone?), you could factor Part VI into it. You pretend 2 through 4 happened. You mention Part 5 to establish Tommy's involvement with psycho killers. You have him resurrect Jason and put him in the bottom of Crystal Lake (Part 6). Then you chalk up Parts 7 through 11 as legend (you acknowledge the body count but Jason being involved is a legend, but then there's no timeline issues to skirt and you're not discounting them, either. In supernatural movie world, we KNOW it was Jason. But in the "real world" of the movie, no one believes it could really be Jason since he's dead). You just say since the first murder spree, there have been Jason sightings for 21 years.
If you go with, say, Ginny instead of Tommy -- you could make Part 5 a footnote, and add Part 6 to the legend mix.

On a tangent, that way, you could bring back the thing I loved about Jason -- he runs, he experiences pain when he's attacked. Hodder's SuperJason never did that. He made the character his own, then started saying "Jason doesn't run. Jason doesn't feel pain" as if none of that ever happened.

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Then, that’s when "heh" jumped in …
Bob, I like your ideas too. The only thing is, I'd try to find a way to bring the elements of the backstory in without discounting any of the sequels. What annoyed me about Halloween: Resurrection was that it outright denied that things had happened in the series. H20 simply ignored events, which in my book was basically okay. But Resurrection DENIED them, big difference.

Even if old characters aren't involved, you could basically go with everything that you said.

They thought he drowned back in the late 50's, but apparently the guy grew up in the woods like some kind of deranged Grisley Adams. He was always attached to her mother though - she used to work here as a cook - and he kept an eye on her for years. He could never bring himself back into public though...he got picked on because of his...unusual looks. So he lived out there (jerks thumb out towards the dark woods), hunting whatever animals he could to survive.

Eventually, his mother snapped. Separation anxiety, I guess. Anyhow, she killed almost all the counselors until finally one got the better of her. Cut her goddamn head off right by the lake!

Of course, someone calls "bullshit" at that point, but the storyteller goes on.

Legend has it that Jason saw her beheaded that night. He went back to his shack and got ready to go on a rampage. He killed the girl who decapitated his mother and didn't stop there. It went on for days. He killed something like 35 people before they got him. And boy, they got him good. His tombstone's over at the cemetary, but if you talk to some of the locals they'll tell you that he never died. Hell, if you talk to some of them they'll tell you he crawled out of the grave and is still stomping around in the woods today!

(More laughter, comments.)

I'll tell you this much: in the - shit - its probably been about twenty years since they finally offed Jason...in all that time there have been DOZENS of murders around here. Some people have come forward and said they saw Jason in the woods, but the police don't buy it because they've been fooled before. There have even been imposters. Yeah, there are a lot of legends around here, but one thing's for sure...

The other guy pipes up in a Crazy Ralph type of voice: "WE'RE ALL DOOMED!"

Everybody laughs, then the storyteller finishes.

I wasn't gonna say that. I was gonna say this: Pamela Voorhees is dead. Jason Voorhees is dead. Some weird shit has happened around here since then, and I'd advise that you keep an eye on your friends. But the past is the past, and Camp Crystal Lake - bad history and all - is trying to move on. So watch the horseplay, cuz some of the locals can be a bit jumpy.

Or something like that. It would also set up the possibility of even having another copycat murderer (build a little intrigue, you know?) that Jason could eventually kill off.

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Then, I jumped back in and summed it up…
heh, I think we're one hundred percent on the same page here, and your synopsis is dead on. What you said is exactly what I was going for, just in a different way. I don't want to discredit the other movies, not at all. Basically, what I was going for is this: In the "real world" of the movie, there is no denying that Parts 1 through 4 are fact, but no one can fully grasp that Parts 6 through 11 could have really been Jason's doing. "He's DEAD, after all. There's no such thing as zombies." We, the audience, KNOW it was Jason, but the "townsfolk" just don't believe it to be true ... because a dead man couldn't do this. The body count is there, but the crimes have remained unsolved and have been chalked up to legend. What you came up with and what I came up with are of the same idea. And I'm totally onboard with your ideas. If they did that, I think I'd be first in line.

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That's what we came up with back in 2004 or so.

Since then, I've had a pipedream opening that featured a MTV-style edited montage of all 35 murders strung together at 1 second per kill, leading into the idea that his body is found at the bottom of the lake or frozen in the woods during the winter or whatever. Either way, we get an pre-autopsy scene of Jason's "dead" body on a slab. The camera pans over his body and shows all of his human wounds with a quick one- or two-second flashback shot of how he got each wound.

Then, much like the Part 4 morgue sequence, he escapes. Hell, it could be from the Crystal Lake research facility from the beginning of "Jason X." That way, you could also bring back Rowan, who I thought was an awesome character in the opening segment of that movie before all that potential flew out the window.

Rowan could team up with Ginny or Trish & Tommy and bring him down, which could explain how he was in custody at the beginning of "Jason X" (frankly, I'd have no problem leaving all three New Line films out of the mix, having the discovery of his body be years after the end of "Jason Takes Manhattan," but some people DO care about continuity. So my discovery/autopsy sequence could come after the events of "Freddy vs. Jason" and before "Jason X"). But before they bring him down, he goes on his typical rampage around the lake.

Jus-X

02-11-2009, 09:53 PM

These are very good ideas guys. I would love to see the ideas as movies, but more than likelyhhey would make it as books. One of the original Friday The 13th ideas was much like Nighmare 7, where they acknowleged the movies but brought out a demon.

The idea was to have a Jason in custody and ready to stand trial for mass murderes about the Great Lakes area. Supposidly the Friday the 13th movies were inspired by this killer's real life killings. He wore a hockey mask and everything, but was no mongoloid.

Then I heard that changed into the idea of the real Jason being in custody in a cell made only for him, ready to be executed, but breaks out.

Then that changed to him being held in custody, and people attempted to execute him, but he couldn't be killed.

Then that changed to him being held at a research facility to examine his genetic structure.

Then they scratched those ideas and put him in the snow.

They the moon, then Jason X was birthed.

So you see how much of a change that was from the original idea? Unless you do your own film, the idea will be butchered, raped, stuffed down a blender, and when poured out, will be poorly pieced back together into a crazy-ralph idea!

Josh1971

03-21-2009, 04:47 AM

Like I did on my fanfic "Revenge", I would go completely old school. I would take things back to the camp, bring back a guy/gal from the Christy family to re-open the camp, and not really even go into some big explanation of why Jason is there. He's just there- and the mayhem will ensue at the camp.

But I'd definitely throw in some wrinkles and other things. I would want to somehow include Jason's father, and really make it go back to the good old days of jump scares, great makeup FX, and suspense.

And while I actually killed Jason off in "Revenge", I doubt I'd do that if I got a real shot at an entry to the series.

jb

Darkest Side of the Night

04-03-2009, 12:56 AM

I would definitely pick up after Jason Lives or The New Blood and bring back Tina and Tommy Jarvis. In the back of my mind, I see Tommy and Tina becoming a dynamic duo against Jason, since both of them have been affected mentally/psychologically by Crystal Lake.

Because of the continuing story of Tommy Jarvis in the series, Tommy would definitely be brought back against Jason.

Jason_Legend

10-05-2010, 10:14 PM

Right now:

It would feel like a real movie, like Part VI. In terms of the dialogue, characters, direction, cinematography, better than average set pieces, almost B-Action movie at times. A movie that had momentum.

Combined with the creepiness of the early ones.

Combined with the most brutal kills of the series.

Combined with the most sex/nudity of the series.

If all that could somehow gel, it would be the ultimate Friday the 13th movie.

WestinHillsDays

10-10-2010, 02:44 AM

In this day and age... I think Friday the 13th 2009 was the ultimate Friday the 13th movie.

It had the creepy tone of parts1 to 4, a Jason that is -my opinion- the scariest, good edition, the Platinum Dunes "polish."

Again, the formula to make a good Friday the 13th movie is really easy, and with a 19 million budget you can deliver a great, unforgettable piece.

The Tall Man

10-10-2010, 07:10 AM

the Platinum Dunes "polish."
That's not polish in their films, sir. It's something you generally have to get off your boot.

T.M., Esq.