Freddy's Dead: The Final Nightmare

[BlakeTyner]

Well, he already *was* dead, and, as it turns out, this wasn't the final nightmare...

Hey Spencer, let's trip out.

~BT

[Dead Cell]

This is the movie that introduced me to Iron Butterfly and "Inagadadavida" so there's that...

Um... not sure what else there is to say really. I honestly like the montage of clips during the credits more than the actual movie. It's just... so... the moment I saw Freddy fly onto screen the first time spoofing the Wicked Witch of the West, I knew there was trouble.

I remember heading to the theater to see this- it was the first Elm Street I'd ever seen in the theater. I had heard that the ending was in 3D and I said to everyone, "Wouldn't it be cool if he blew up and all his guts came flying at you in 3D?!?!" And then that actually happened and I couldn't believe that I had guessed it so exactly. I was a bit blown away and a little disappointed. The ending should be a little bit more surprising than that, right?

The dream snakes... much like the hell baby- unneeded baggage. There was no need for further explanation of Freddy's supernatural powers. Although since it appeared that they left him at the end of the movie, perhaps we can say that it's all Freddy in FvJ? *sigh* That still sucks though, because it means he was lugging around the dream snakes for the other 5 movies. Then again... it kinda' puts a different light on the scene in part 3 when Freddy turned into a big snake. Mmmmmaybe taking inspiration from his benefactors?

Just not really sure what to think of this movie other than I disliked it. A LOT. Freddy at his absolute worst (not counting the TV show). One lame ass joke after another. I wasn't so bent out of shape about him having a daughter- some of his best lines were directed towards her. Just love how he says, "Katherine..."

"I didn't need a glove to kill your bitch of a mother, and I don't need one for you!" :D Yes! Love that line!

"What do you know? I beat my high score." :confused:

"Nice *hearing* from you, Carlos!" :no: shoot me now.

Or my personal favorite WTF moment- where Freddy sits down to have a nice little chat with Doc and basically gives him all the info he needs to kill him. Like, what's up with that? Was Freddy just getting bored of the game now that he wiped out all the kids in Springwood? Is that it? Did he just want his own flesh and blood to finally put him down? Seriously, I could build an argument for that. But anyway, yeah-

"Sticks and stones may break my bones, but nothin' will ever kill me. Because that's what they promised. The dream people. Yadda yadda yadda- *checks watch* yadda yadda yadda." :cry:

[Wheatjedi]

I saw this one the day it opened, and I remember being impressed by the 3D effects at the end. It just doesn't really hold up for me anymore. Heck... I don't even remember the last time I watched it. Definitely my least favorite Nightmare.

[Dead Cell]

aha! I can't believe I forgot, but I must say it. I am SO sick to death of people screwing up a video game based nightmare sequence. Freddy's Dead, the comics, all of it. Why is it so frickin' hard, people? So here it is, because for a while there I was working on a screenplay for an Elm Street sequel (I major in writing and yeah- going for that kind of career).

A guy, I'll call him Morris, is at home playing a survival horror video game late at night (a tribute since I was heavily inspired by Silent Hill to write this in the first place). The whole house is quiet and it's real late. Anyway, for anyone that's ever gone marathon gaming, you know how it is. One moment you're kicking ass, and the next your eyes are blinking open and somehow an hour or 2 have passed. And you don't even realize that you've been asleep.

So the kid is gaming. Close shot of the video game as his character goes through a door and walks into... a room that looks exactly Morris' living room. He pans the camera around and notices that even he is represented in the game, but the video game Morris is asleep on the couch with a controller in his lap.
And oh yeah- the graphics are as realistic as you could possibly get them. What's with all this cartoony garbage like Spencer's dream or that stupid Pac Man rip-off in the Avatar comics?

Okay, anyway, suddenly he sees (in the video game) Freddy coming down the stairs slowly. He begins raking his claws along the wall as he descends.

In the *actual* living room, Morris hears the same sound and looks over to the stairs. There's nothing there. But he can see the claw marks being made! And little sparks of electricity resonate where the claw marks are. He looks at the game on the TV- Freddy's taking his time. He looks to the stairs, the claw marks reach all the way to the bottom step. Looks to the game! Crap! Freddy's walking towards the couch where *real* and *game* Morris are!

Morris jumps off the couch, rips the game out. Still nothing. The scene is still playing on the TV! He rips out the power cords on the game console. Still nothing! Just then, a slight, nearly invisible blue haze of static flickers in front of him and Freddy stabs him with his glove.
Morris is electrocuted to death.

The end. Simple. Easy. And hopefully creepy. :D

[Wheatjedi]

I just read an interview with Robert Englund over at www.nightmareonelmstreetfilms.com. In the interview, he is asked his opinion of Freddy's Dead. His response: "Nice poster." I agree.

[The Tall Man]

I think it's sad a lot of you didn't get to see the original 105 minute version in theaters.

I have no idea what New Line was thinking cutting it to 88 minutes.

T.M.

[CanadianFonzie]

this sequel...it's wierd, it's not one that I hate but it's not one that I like, I never know if I should say I like it or if I don't, it does have an interesting story line, but I've seen this one probably the least out of all 7

[The Dream Master]

I think it's sad a lot of you didn't get to see the original 105 minute version in theaters.

I have no idea what New Line was thinking cutting it to 88 minutes.

T.M.

As far as I've ever heard, the 88 minute version is the theatrical version, but there is a workprint version that restores 20 minutes or so. I've never heard of the long version ever being released at all.

[CanadianFonzie]

what is missing in this 20 removed minutes?

[The Dream Master]

Maggie's birthday party (or a scene involving Maggie's birthday) is the only thing I can remember. There's more obviously, but I've never seen it so I can't say for sure.

Added: I'm guessing the "seven, eight" part of the song was probably included in one of the scenes, too.

Okay, here we go (from anightmareonelmstreetfilms.com):

Deleted scenes:

Introduction to Maggie, by her waking up and being confronted by her (adopted) mother regarding her birthday.
Maggie's 'daydream' with the Dream Demons.
Extra scene with Tracy and Doc talking about dreams during her workout.
John's full dream in the shelter.
Freddy absorbing Carlos' soul.
Maggie finding Freddy's old lair behind a wall in the basement of the Elm Street house.
Teenage Freddy stabbing his Stepfather.

[Brett H.]

The FD workprint footage is pretty interesting, although I am unconvinced that it would change the story much. It's a lot of filler, in my opinion. With that being said, I've not seen them worked into the movie and haven't seen two scenes from it. I doubt they'll change my opinion. Don't get me wrong, they're awesome for a fan to see, there's just not a drastic change.

Freddy's Dead is a childhood favorite, I taped it on Super Channel when I was about 7, so I re-watched it over and over again. When I did my marathon watching before F vs. J, I actually watched my old FD VHS that I had taped instead of the 3D DVD. It just seemed more appropriate.

[CanadianFonzie]

thanks DM, it doesn't seem like I missed THAT much...except the death of Alice Cooper...but it's good that they didn't include that

I just remembered my favourite part of this movie, was when (sorry I can't remember their names) the deof one was dreaming, and he couldn't hear Freddy behind him, and you can tell Freddy was making all this noise to be funny but he couldn't hear that part always greatly humours me, as well as Brecken Meyer hoping around like a video game character that also had great humour in it

[The Tall Man]

Dream Master, WRONG. The theatrical version was 105 minutes long. I saw it and timed it in '91 and it was 1 hr and 45 minutes long.

The workprint version is 100 minutes long (I remember some stuff the workprint is missing).

The 88 minute version is the "International" version... meaning, it's what was released to other countries. Sadly, it's what we got on video and DVD.

T.M.

[Deathscythe]

The best death was John falling onto the spikes. Infact, the only decent kill in this movie.

[The Dream Master]

So, TM, what scenes are still missing from the workprint?

[The Tall Man]

Just off hand, I remember a scene with a lightbulb distracting Doc, while Maggie is tooling around in Freddy's head, you think it's like his brain or something, but the camera pulls out and out and reveals Freddy sitting in his boiler room and he shouts "GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!!" And when Freddy explodes, the demons talk to each other before flying away.

I do have audio samples of the last two scenes and the first scene is in the TV version (which runs 93 minutes).

T.M.

[WestinHillsDays]

Freddy's Revenge and Freddy's Dead are usually acknowledged as the most despised Elm Street sequels. A good reason for the lack of positive reviews these two movies tend to aggregate is that they break the sense of continuity of the series, since they cannot be incorporated into the stories that were told in parts 1-3 (Nancy) and 4-5 (Alice). Consequently, if Alice had returned in Freddy's Dead, it is likely that the huge majority of horror fans would have responded to the movie in a different way.

[Wheatjedi]

I agree. Didn't the original treatment for Freddy's Dead include a teenaged Jacob Johnson in the story?

[The Dream Master]

Yep, and the Dream Warriors were going to return as Dream Police.

[WestinHillsDays]

Yep, and the Dream Warriors were going to return as Dream Police.

A brilliant idea that sadly was wasted.

[Fan of Freddy]

I don't really know much of the background of the creation of this movie, but I do know that the script used for shooting was a total rewrite from the early drafts, and we can essentialy thank Mike De Luca for this travesty to the NOES series as he did a lot of the writing. Apparently the studio hated the early drafts with Alice's child, the Dream Police, etc...

You can read the original draft by Rachel Talalay and Micheal Almereyda, as well as the one written by Talalay and Michael De Luca on Nightmare on Elm Street films.com (http://nightmareonelmstreetfilms.com/)

I think it's easy to see which would have made the better film. The original draft had suspense, it followed what came before it and paid tribute to the previous films as well. It's clear that in the later drafts they were intentionally going for the stupidest movie possible. When one considers that Freddy basically made New Line, it seems kind of sickening to see how they treat him on his "last movie".

~F.o.F

[Wheatjedi]

Yeah.... and I just love the tagline: "They Saved the Best For Last." I remember seeing the one-sheet at a local theater in '91 with that tagline, and I thought, "That's usually not a good sign."

[The Dream Master]

I read that early script a long, long time ago. Does anyone know what Peter Jackson's script was like? I recall hearing about it before, but I can't remember anything about it for the life of me.

[The Tall Man]

Okay guys... look, the first draft script is a good REGULAR Nightmare entry. But it's a shitty final entry. I mean, they killed Freddy... in a DREAM. Again. Anybody with any sense knew (in 1991) that if you kill Freddy in a dream, it's good enough to end THAT movie... maybe.

"Freddy's Dead" (that draft is just a Nightmare 6 but not FD) has it up on that draft where Freddy is actually killed in such a manner that you believe he's finally gone... which he was until FvsJ negated the killing him in reality thing (Nightmare 1 is moot because the whole film is a precognitive dream).

Oh and as for New Line's treatment of Freddy in FD... they merely gave the audience what they wanted, the general audience who loves Funny Freddy. "Die-Hard Horror Fans" have always hated FD, but when it came out, it was immensely popular with the general public and successful.

T.M.

[The Dream Master]

TM, I agree. FD was a more fitting "end," and the first Talalay script would have probably been a decent sequel. Freddy being afraid of his step-dad (I think that was this draft) was a weak ending. Also, while I like the idea of the Dream Warriors coming back, I always thought the script treated it in a hokey manner. Then again, things always seem kind of cheesy in scripts to me.

TM, what was Jackon's script like? Have we ever found out? I swear I remember hearing details about it before.

[Deathscythe]

Does anyone know the name of that song that airs in the very beginning of the movie?

[The Dream Master]

I'm Awake Now by The Goo Goo Dolls (yes, those Goo Goo Dolls).

Added: there was a music video that featured Freddy made for this, too.

Here it is on YouTube. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rg1HoOi19d8)

By the way, this is probably my second favorite opening to a NOES film (after Dream Warriors).

[WestinHillsDays]

Three Goo Goo Dolls songs are featured in Freddy's Dead:

1. I am awake now;
2. You know what I mean;
3. Two days in February.

[The Tall Man]

DM, I have no information on Peter Jackson's draft other than it was entitled "A Nightmare on Elm Street: The Dream Lover".

Oy.

T.M.

[Dead Cell]

Freddy's Revenge and Freddy's Dead are usually acknowledged as the most despised Elm Street sequels.

*ahem!*

I LOVE part 2. Love it, love it, love it. It was the most UN-intentionally hilarious Elm Street of all time. The final line of the film still boggles the mind.

"Hey, Lisa; great party."

Um... thank-you? We're still cleaning the blood out of the pool. But watch Jesse's face the moment right after when Freddy's claw bursts out of that girls' chest.

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! :lmao:

Omg, man, I so need to watch this again now.

Freddy's Dead sucked because they tried making it funny. Learn from part 2, suckas! Er, not you guys- the New Line Cinema guys.

[The Tall Man]

I could go on a FD love fest too, Dead Cell... but I shan't.

T.M.

[Kat]

I honestly liked FD but it was too over the top to be a favorite of mine.

[Joshg]

I liked few parts of this one. It was funnier than Part 5, but dumber too. I just...really can't explain the reasoning behind it's plot. Who thought of it? :meh:

[A. Remin' D.]

Freddy's Dead was the first NOES film I saw. I loved it then, and I love it now. Not very scary, but a very fun movie. It's very black-humored, which I love.

I just wish New Line would release the full version sometime! :mad:


2. You know what I mean;
3. Two days in February.

Those two songs are also on their 1990 album "Hold Me Up." Great album. I love "You Know What I Mean."

[Myers, Michael]

I really liked what they were trying to do with the movie, I just wish it would have taken itself a little bit, not much, but a little bit more seriously. Maybe a little more dark and gritty, and less "polished" looking. But then again I have the same feeling about Freddy vs. Jason as well.

[Brett H.]

The Freddy's Dead opening is my favorite for a film ever. Great tune, great quotes. Really puts a smile on your face.

[El Rooto]

I keep telling people that "Boing boing boing boing" is the best Freddy line, but do they listen? NO!

[Deathscythe]

My favorite Freddy lines in this movie was "Every town has an Elm Street" and "I didn't need a glove to kill your bitch of a mother and I don't need one now!"

[Kane Lives]

I can honestly say this is the only one of the Freddy solo films that I actually really dislike. I'm well aware of what Freddy had become by that time, but IMO, this was just too much. I can only take so much comic relief in a Horror film until it's no longer entertaining to me. And his makeup was atrocious I thought.


The film just didn't work for me, but there were a few things that I liked:


-The setting. If this was to be the final one, IMO killing all the kids in town was a nice touch.

-I liked the concept behind Carlos' nightmare.

-Going into Freddy's head and discovering the last pieces of his backstory was also cool IMO.

-And the clip video at the end was cool.



Does anyone know what Peter Jackson's script was like? I recall hearing about it before, but I can't remember anything about it for the life of me.


I remember someone posted the story from it on the old forum from a Fangoria interview that Jackson gave. I think I remember most of what the story was about:

It was supposed to be set in a time where Freddy was completely powerless in the dream world. Kids had found out about him and saw him as a source of fun. They'd buy sleeping pills from pushers on the streets to go into the dream world and see who could kick the crap out of Freddy the most. It was like a game.

Somehow, Freddy gets enough power together to kill a kid or two, and the story ends up progressing with one of the kid's Fathers ending up in a coma. The remaining kids try to figure out how to save him while he's stuck in the dream world with Freddy, trying to learn some of the rules to stay alive.

[nickmeece]

I always found it funny that NOES6 is FREDDY'S DEAD...and F136 is JASON LIVES...lol.

[The Dream Master]

Kane Lives, yes. That's what I had read before. Thanks a lot for that.

[The Tall Man]

My God... THAT was Jackson's idea??? I read that before (but never knew it was Jackson's story) and thought it was crap then. Yikes.

T.M.

[Rich]

If that was what Pete Jackson came up with then I am glad we got the version of the story we did.

[The Tall Man]

Wow. Finally Rich and I agree on something.

Watch out for the Horsemen!

T.M.

[El Rooto]

Tally make doom come.

[Deathscythe]

I always found it funny that NOES6 is FREDDY'S DEAD...and F136 is JASON LIVES...lol.

Wow, I never noticed that. Nice one, also nice avater.:cool:

[nickmeece]

I guess that's how they got the ending for FvJ?

And thanks.

[Kane Lives]

Thanks a lot for that.


No problem.


I remember being pretty excited when I heard that Peter Jackson came up with a take for NOES, then I saw it and was quite disappointed. lol

How it's subtitle, The Dream Lover, fits into that story still remains a mystery to me.

[The Tall Man]

Has anybody else ever noticed that this movie has characters named "Spencer" and "Tracy"?

T.M.

[Shoesalesman]

Alice Cooper's part as Freddy's dad was pretty good. That's all I remember from the film.

[Ron]

I really hated the power glove death scene. After that, I was looking forward to this being the final nightmare.

[The Tall Man]

Thanks to my awesome pal S-10, I got to see some scenes from the longer German release DVD of "Freddy's Dead" (though it is missing some scenes in our DVD edition, apparently). Anyway, Maggie's incredibly sexy German dubbed voice just made her 86% more bangable.

"Freddy ist tot."

T.M.

[Fowlees]

This film stars a young Brekin Meyer, also of Road Trip, the American Pie movies etc.

[Ron]

I've always respected and enjoyed this franchise, and I've always thought this film could have been more if they weren't forced into the 3-D ending.

[Lance Lives]

I was watching Back to the Future 2 last night and was shocked to see the kid with the hearing aid as one of Griff's goons.

[Esten]

"Those boards don't work on water!" - Yeah. I've also seen Logan in lots of commercials in the past couple years.

[Harmonic Bond]

Actually, I kinda dig this entry in the series. It runs very hot and cold with me. I hated 4 and 5, because of the weak stories and pale characters (although I do like Mark). To me, this had the best story since Dream Warriors, and the best heroine (Tracy) since, well, Dream Warriors. I was one of the few that was glad Alice never returned, I just don't understand the appeal.

I love the concept of Springwood being nigh deserted, and the people that are left, are the crazed parents of Freddy's victims. Also, I love that Freddy is powerful enough to control the real world to a degree. The kids coming into town, and not being able to get out was a neat touch. I enjoyed a lot of the backstory, but I think it was a bit much. I stop short of liking the idea of the "dream demons," I dunno, I think the movie would have made sense without them. Like thorn with Myers, they take away some of the mystique of Freddy.

Now, the bad. Like everyone, I'm not a fan of the "humor" and pop culture references du jour. The only unforgivable moments, for me, are the "Wizard of Oz" bit and Spencer's death. The other nightmare sequences, are really nice.

Finally, and this is my biggest gripe, is the godawful ending. Really, they should have had a more epic denouement for Freddy. Not to mention, the effect for that sequence were atrocious. Which is a shame, because I though the other effects in the movie were pretty nice. Unbelievably, they recycled this ending for WCNN, with even worse effects! Unfortunately, that movie sucked from beginning to end (duck from flying bottles).

[Kane Lives]

The few points that I can give to Freddy's Dead is the setting with all the children now dead, and the new points in Freddy's backstory that were revealed.

But sadly, I have to say this is the only one of the solo Freddy films that I have no real affection for overall, and hardly ever watch. At this point for me, the Nightmare films had become mostly about the FX and the big, elaborate fear killings. IMO after Dream Warriors, the storyline quality of the films took a nosedive.

But in this movie they drastically cut back on the makeup FX; a deliberate style choice from what I've read. And also the deaths, with the exception of Carlos, were just not well done IMO. I just can't find it in myself to look at Spencer's video game nightmare and John Doe falling onto a bed of spikes to be anything other than lame.

[Ron]

The end of this movie sucked.

[The Dream Master]

I always thought Maggie just saying "Freddy's dead" was pretty lame, but from Tall Man has told me, it got even lamer: Doc, Maggie, and Tracie gave each other a high five before transitioning into the credits. Now we just get a fade out to the credits.

[The Tall Man]

and the best heroine (Tracy) since, well, Dream Warriors.
Er... isn't Maggie the heroine of FD?

And what's with some of the Tracy love I see? She was a mouthy bitch with a chip on her shoulder. Just like Busta, her surviving the end of the movie is a seriously failure to the audience on Freddy's part.

And DM is absolutely right.I could screen cap it for ya now if you like! :)

T.M.

[Harmonic Bond]

Er... isn't Maggie the heroine of FD?
And what's with some of the Tracy love I see? She was a mouthy bitch with a chip on her shoulder. Just like Busta, her surviving the end of the movie is a seriously failure to the audience on Freddy's part.


Well, Maggie is certainly the central character in the story, but, the way I saw it, Doc, Maggie, and Tracy all had an equal hand in beating Freddy.

I've never seen H:R beginning to end, so the comparison to Busta Rhymes means little to me. My understanding is, that some of the reason people didn't like his character was because, out of nowhere, he busts out karate moves and whips Michael. The movie didn't make any particular effort to paint him as a hardass, just all of a sudden, he is.

So yeah, Tracy is mouthy and she does have a chip on her shoulder. But, she has a reason to be mouthy and have a chip on her shoulder. The movie sets her up that way. She reminds me a lot of Kincaid, actually.

[The Dream Master]

Sorry TM, I still can't get behind the Tracy/Busta comparison. Like HB said, Kincaid sort of established being mouthy towards Freddy, so it's not like Tracy was the first. Besides, I actually liked Tracy and didn't want to see her die. Then again, there are few Nightmare characters I did want to see die (Yvonne is a big, big execption), so I'd say the writers are doing their jobs.

And screen caps are alaways appreciated, TM.

[The Tall Man]

Kincaid at heart was a good guy though. He could be a cauldron of rage, but with people he liked, he was shown to be a kindhearted individual. Tracy had NONE of Kincaid's charisma. She was just a bitch.

I'll come back with screencaps.

Harmonic, whoever the female central character is, that is the heroine of a piece. Heroines are main characters, not secondary characters (same for heroes).

T.M.

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Dig that awesome saturated German print. It's lovely.

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"Freddy ist tot". Maggie's German voice is sexy as hell.

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Kotto ponders if passing on "Midnight Run 2: Midday Run" was the right decision.

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"THE ? END"

[The Dream Master]

I agree that Tracy didn't have the charisma of Kincaid, but nothing about her screamed out "this bitch needs to die." I think a lot of it is due to the fact that she endured such a shitty situation with her father, and it's kind of hard to blame her for being bitchy.

[DRE]

Tracy was great, I loved her character. And I'll take Yvonne over Kia ANY day.


Freddy's Dead had it's good points, and I still make it a point to watch the film annually, but Freddy himself is where it falls flat for me.

That's a Freddy I want to hug, play Super Mario 3 with and tuck in at night. Yaphet Kotto as Al Giardello in Homicide was scarier than Freddy in this film.

[The Tall Man]

I think a lot of it is due to the fact that she endured such a shitty situation with her father, and it's kind of hard to blame her for being bitchy.
**Blames Tracy** You can't take your past out on other people. Freddy tried that crap and look where it got him. :)

And I'll take Yvonne over Kia ANY day.
No doubt.

but Freddy himself is where it falls flat for me.
I loves Englund's performance in FD.

That's a Freddy I want to hug, play Super Mario 3 with and tuck in at night.
You're saying that's a BAD thing?

Yaphet Kotto as Al Giardello in Homicide was scarier than Freddy in this film.
Am I nuts or does Doc look like what became of Mr. Sandman from "Punch Out" after he lost the title and let himself go?

T.M.

[DRE]

I loves Englund's performance in FD.


He's done better. He seemed tired (Physically and of Freddy) by this point, after two consecutive films and two season's of Freddy's Nightmares.


You're saying that's a BAD thing?


I don't want to pal around with the guy, I want a Freddy that hates my guts, a Freddy that would be incredibly un-PC with me. That's Freddy Krueger.


Am I nuts or does Doc look like what became of Mr. Sandman from "Punch Out" after he lost the title and let himself go?


:lmao:

That's just mean.

[Jigsaw]

FD is an okay movie, but it has too much humor in it for my liking and the ending could've been a lot better, but it's an okay movie and fairly entertaining.

[Chex]

See, when Freddy's Dead does the whole "high five and roll credits bit" it's considered lame, but when Death Proof does it, it's great. Then again, there's damn good reasons why.

Then again, there are few Nightmare characters I did want to see die (Yvonne is a big, big execption)

Do what I do: Pretend she accidently blows up in an explosion when learning how to drive thanks to Mark Harmon in Summer School. :p

[Ron]

FD is an okay movie, but it has too much humor in it for my liking and the ending could've been a lot better, but it's an okay movie and fairly entertaining.

I feel the exact same way...if they excluded a lot of the humor, included more horror, and forgot the whole 3-D ending and went with Rachael's original vision then we might have ended up with a solid conclusion to this series.

[The Tall Man]

Dre, actually Englund seems downright spritely in FD (considering it was the first time he'd had a year off since 1987). In Nightmare 5... now THAT's the one he's visibly tired in.

T.M.

[Jigsaw]

Robert was understandbly drained around the time he did The Dream Child, having done The Dream Master the year before and having two seasons of Freddy's Nightmares to boot.

[Ron]

Yeah, now, Englund's face is beside the word tired in the dictionary:side:

[Esten]

Of course Englund looks tired in 5. The movie puts people to sleep, so it would definitely make a cast member tired. :X

and having two seasons of Freddy's Nightmares to boot.

Ain't that the truth, brother.

[Jigsaw]

I've only ever seen one episode of FN, and it wasn't too bad from what I remember.

[DRE]

I love Freddy's Nightmares, but God, the episode called Lucky Stiff is one of the most boring hours of anything I've ever seen before or since.

[Esten]

Dre, "A Family Affair" is MUCH worse. Freddy spouting anti-drug PSAs is beyond ubertardation.

[DRE]

I remember that one.

[Ron]

I truly like Englund, and I think it sucks that he got raped/whored out to be such a comedic Freddy...he could have been scarier, and ultimatley more effective in the series if he would have been given less to say.

[Jigsaw]

Freddy's humor in Nightmares 4-6 was definite overkill and ruined a lot of the character's menace. Englund himself has even gone on record and said he prefers the darker Freddy, but the producers always liked the humorous Freddy better.

[Esten]

Not the producers: the mainstream. That's what they wanted to see.

[Ron]

it seems like producers kill franchises.

[Jigsaw]

Didn't some of the producers like the humorous Freddy better? I could've sworn I read an interview where Englund said although he personally preferred the darker Freddy, audiences and producers alike both preferred the humorous Freddy.

[DRE]

There's a difference between humorous and just plain stupid. He was darkly humorous in Dream Master, he was bordering on goofy humor in Dream Child and he was flat out acting like a buffoonish clown in Freddy's Dead.

[Jigsaw]

I'm very used to the dark and sinister Freddy of Nightmares 1-3 and New Nightmare, and seeing him so humorous and over-the-top in Nightmares 4-6 is such an awkward change of pace. FVJ Freddy was sort of a borderline of both the dark and humorous Freddy, and was depicted quite well overall.

[The Tall Man]

Dre, you haven't lived until you've seen "Lucky Stiff"'s sequel, "Easy Come, Easy Go."

"Ba-deep, ba-deep, ba-deep. That's AHHHLLLLLLLL, Folks!"

One of the episodes... I forget the title... about a little girl named Maggie who turns out to be murderous or something makes Freddy out to be a hypocrite.

T.M.

[Lance Lives]

I saw an episode of Freddy's Dead the other day that had Brad Pitt in it, he was eloping with a girl and they went through Springwood. I didn't finish it because it seemed pretty terrible.

[Kane Lives]

Freddy's Nightmares was a very mixed bag for me. Some episodes were really fun IMO and even had good concepts. Others were so bad, that I wanted to destroy my screen. lol

The first Season was the better of the two IMO. Although Season 2 had a shining moment or two; specifically a few of the Freddy episodes.

[Jigsaw]

The FN episode I remember was decent, nothing great, but not a bad way to kill an hour. I still have to see the rest of the series. I looked on YouTube, but no whole episodes are up as of now.

[Chex]

it seems like producers kill franchises.

While that's true, it could be said of any position. From the producer's point of view though, they want the film to be successful financially. If the audience reacts and responds well to a certain development and what's presented, then it's safer to follow suit and go with it rather than taking a risk and perhaps making the audience feel unsettled. If that happens, the film it's could be in trouble money wise and considering who we're talking about here (producer's), that's their biggest concern.

I guess what I'm saying is that in some cases it's understandable and more so from their point of view. That isn't to say though that every instance where they've interjected is right, before people start naming of examples and what not. ;)

ADDED: I saw an episode of Freddy's Dead the other day that had Brad Pitt in it, he was eloping with a girl and they went through Springwood. I didn't finish it because it seemed pretty terrible.

I believe that's his first acting gig. If I'm not mistaken, it was because he failed to get the part for Mike in Phantasm II or possibly the episode was before Phantasm II would have started shooting.

[DRE]

You can watch full episodes at AOL In2TV

Freddy's Nightmares (http://video.aol.com/video-category/freddys-nightmares/103269)


As well as many other TV shows.

[Jigsaw]

Thanks for the link, Dre. I'll check it out.

[Scarecrow]

Freddy's Nightmares is just... weird. :p

- Scarecrow

[DRE]

I think that's why I love it, and Friday the 13th: The Series, Tales from the Crypt, Tales from the Darkside and Monsters. They were all shows that had that element of the strange and weird to them.

[Jigsaw]

I always enjoy anything that's weird or out of the ordinary myself.

[Harmonic Bond]

Harmonic, whoever the female central character is, that is the heroine of a piece. Heroines are main characters, not secondary characters (same for heroes).

T.M.



Fair enough, if you are defining the heroine, in the strict storytelling definition, then yes, Maggie is the heroine. However, Tracy is a hero in the sense that she's an opposing force to the villian, someone who acts to foil his actions. Just the same way that Kincaid and joey are heroes in Dream Warriors.

[The Tall Man]

The first Season was the better of the two IMO. Although Season 2 had a shining moment or two; specifically a few of the Freddy episodes.
Could you tell me why? Because looking over them all recently, it seemed PAINFULLY obvious that season 2 of "Freddy's Nightmares" kicked the everloving shit out of season 1. The plots and acting were better. The lighting was better. The budgets looked healthier. Freddy's dialogue was actually germane to what was going on, not to mention you could actually understand what the fuck it was he was saying (most of season 1's Freddy is so garbled you can't tell what it is Englund was saying). Everything was just better, better, better that time around.

If I'm not mistaken, it was because he failed to get the part for Mike in Phantasm II or possibly the episode was before Phantasm II would have started shooting.
It would have had to be after "Phantasm II". P2 came out in August or so of 1988 and "Freddy's Nightmares" probably would have been in the middle of filming at that time (Nightmare 4 came out earlier in 1988 and FN premiered that October).

However, Tracy is a hero in the sense that she's an opposing force to the villian, someone who acts to foil his actions.
What? You're still talking about Maggie there. I didn't see Tracy going into Freddy's head for a 3-D ride through his memories (I don't think she's even-tempered enough to pull such a plan-- she's all force; no/little brains which Doc calls her on at one point). Maggie meanwhile formulates a plan (with the help of Doc) to stop Krueger and follows it through. All Tracy did was use ineffectual kung fu against Freddy. Hell, she's no better than Rick!

T.M.

[The Dream Master]

Tracy supplied all the knives and the pipe bomb and shit, so she did more than just stand there, TM. ;)

[The Tall Man]

That's all well and good, but by that logic, Michael J. Pollard is the hero of "Tango & Cash" because he supplies Sly and Kurt with that monster-hummer thingy they raid Palance's compound with.

Tracy is more like Dan to Maggie's Alice.

T.M.

[DRE]

Could you tell me why? Because looking over them all recently, it seemed PAINFULLY obvious that season 2 of "Freddy's Nightmares" kicked the everloving shit out of season 1. The plots and acting were better. The lighting was better. The budgets looked healthier. Freddy's dialogue was actually germane to what was going on, not to mention you could actually understand what the fuck it was he was saying (most of season 1's Freddy is so garbled you can't tell what it is Englund was saying). Everything was just better, better, better that time around.


I have to disagree TM, not everything was better, better, better. Kevin Yagher kicks the absolute fucking plastic shit out of David "Mr. Fake Looking" Miller. Yagher was the best thing to ever happen to Freddy Krueger.

[Jigsaw]

I think both Yagher and Miller did great work for Freddy's make-up, but Yagher admittedly made Freddy's burns look more realistic and grotesque. Although my favorite Freddy make-up is in New Nightmare.

[DRE]

I think the NN make up is a great design, but I always wondered what it would look like had Yagher executed it. The Demon Freddy looks great also, but even that Wayne (However you spell his last name) T's work in FvsJ couldn't hold a candle to Yagher's work.

The ultimate Freddy look for me was the dark and slimy Freddy in Freddy's Revenge.

[Jigsaw]

The FR Freddy make-up is one of my favorites as well, very grotesque and realistic and with a skull-like appearance which adds to the eerieness. The NN, FR and DW make-ups are my favorites and I also like the Nightmare 1 and FVJ Demon make-ups a lot as well.

Yagher doing the NN make-up would be interesting to see. I always liked the much more primal look it has, and how it has a stripe-like appearance, adding to the primal look of it.

[Kane Lives]

Could you tell me why?


I don't think either Season is wonderful, but I just had more fun with the first one. The changes they made in the second one just didn't appeal to me.


A lot of the stories became more like Dramas, and a lot of the threat in the second Season was more reality-based with Freddy just giving someone a nightmare that would influence them to do something.

Even though it was cheesy, I just liked the approach of the first Season better. And as was already mentioned, Freddy's makeup was a big step down. IMO anyway.

[Lance Lives]

Pitt in Phantasm 2? Maybe then it would've gotten a DVD release...

[The Tall Man]

Kevin Yagher kicks the absolute fucking plastic shit out of David "Mr. Fake Looking" Miller. Yagher was the best thing to ever happen to Freddy Krueger.
I knew somebody was gonna mention "Miller's makeup sucks", but that doesn't hold water for what I was saying and here's why:

This isn't a question of what you prefer. This is a question of technical quality. Do you like Yagher's Krueger makeup better? Fine. Was it of better quality than Miller's? Absolutely not! When 4 came out, Englund was complaining that they were STILL using the exact same molds from Nightmare 2. And as a result, the makeup suffered horribly. By Nightmare 4, there was very very little detail in Freddy's face (compared to 2 and 3). He didn't even look like a real burn victim anymore. He far more resembled the radiation-burnt mutants from "Beneath the Planet of the Apes." And when they used them AGAIN for season 1 of FN, Freddy's face is damned near whitewashed by the lack of detail in the makeup.

Meanwhile, season 2 of FN had brand-ass-new molds (they did not use the Nightmare 5 molds, contrary to popular belief. If you look, Freddy has a very jowly appearance in 5--the result of them wanting Krueger to look old. In FN, Krueger is visible thinner-looking in his face and it was THESE molds that went on to encore for "Freddy's Dead"). Freddy's face is has far more depth and detail in his makeup. And Englund even seems spritelier because of it in his performances... you see a little more spring in his step as he moves about the Elm Street house set.

So despite your preferences for designs, I'm afraid the season 2 makeup too beats out season 1's in technical quality.

T.M.

[Chex]

Pitt in Phantasm 2? Maybe then it would've gotten a DVD release...

Probably as I'm sure Universal would have capitalized on his fame by now.

[DRE]

And Englund even seems spritelier because of it in his performances... you see a little more spring in his step as he moves about the Elm Street house set.


He had more of a spring in his step because he had, by then, been turned into a fucking clown, hoping around behind Carlos and all that bullshit.


http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e61/DreWorld/nightmare2promo20.jpghttp://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e61/DreWorld/nightmare6promo03.jpg

Who gives a good goddamn about technical quality? I'd rather have Robert be uncomfortable (which is great for the performance anyways) and look great, rather than him being comfortable and look like smushed up shit.

I'm sure I'm not alone in the choice.

[Kane Lives]

Seeing those two pics side by side makes me sad. lol

[The Tall Man]

I give a good goddamn. ~_~ Why else would I have mentioned it? That was the WHOLE point of talking about season 1 vs. season 2.

You picked a shot from Nightmare 2 where the makeup was brand new, Dre. What I was saying was that because they didn't make new molds and just kept reusing and using the 2 molds, they eventually deteriorated.

And I'd prefer whatever look help Englund give the best and most entertaining performance he can.

And jeesh, calm down!

T.M.

Season 1:
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/5901/season1zw0.th.jpg (http://img187.imageshack.us/my.php?image=season1zw0.jpg)

Season 2:
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/7282/season2ts4.th.jpg (http://img341.imageshack.us/my.php?image=season2ts4.jpg)
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/1700/season2asz3.th.jpg (http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=season2asz3.jpg)

It's obvious there's better detail and a healthier looking Freddy in season 2.

[DRE]

Calm Down? You haven't seen me ON FIRE YET!!! :freddy: :D

Just kidding, my brother. I respect that you like the nice and friendly later Freddy, and that's all right, the universe is big enough for us both to have our Freddys.


As for those pics you posted, Miller's work still looks like shit. ;)

[Brett H.]

One thing I always found ironic about Freddy's Dead is how the opening credits are so awesome for a return to Freddy's more terrifying roots and the end Iggy Pop song and accompanying clip montage do the entire series justice. What's between the two is totally different from anything else, though. I still love FD, watched it so many damned times as a kid.

My main thing with FD was that it looked so drab and plain, what's the deal with that?

[Ron]

Feddy's Dead is like a sandwich with nothing in the middle.

[The Tall Man]

As for those pics you posted, Miller's work still looks like shit. ;)
Well that's all well and good, but can you just not see that Yagher's makeup equally looks like shit by that point? Can you not see how lacking of detail it is?

Hey, S-10... that grab I got was one of the few times I could think of where you could see all of Freddy's face and not just his eyes: it just dawned on me-- do you think they did that damned "lighting only Englund's eyes" bit in the first season because the makeup had deteriorated so badly at that point?

T.M.

[The Dream Master]

...the opening credits are so awesome....

Absolutely. I wish I could find "I'm Awake Now" (the Goo Goo Dolls song that's playing there) somewhere. It's badass. Love that opening.

...the end Iggy Pop song and accompanying clip montage do the entire series justice...


"Why why why why why was I born?"

[DRE]

Well that's all well and good, but can you just not see that Yagher's makeup equally looks like shit by that point? Can you not see how lacking of detail it is?


Well, let's just agree that Yagher on his worse day is better than Miller period.

And I see plenty of fine detail in the make-up in Dream Master, it looks great up close, can't say the same for Miller's stuff, New Nighmare is the exception.

[Jigsaw]

If I had to rank my favorite Freddy make-ups, in order I would New Nightmare, Freddy's Revenge, Dream Warriors, Nightmare 1 and the FVJ Demon make-up. I think every artist who's done Freddy's make-up has been good at the design.

[The Tall Man]

Absolutely. I wish I could find "I'm Awake Now" (the Goo Goo Dolls song that's playing there) somewhere.
I have an mp3 of it. I'll see what I can do about getting it to you.

"Why why why why why was I born?"
God I HATE that song. Hate hate hate it. "Why why why why can't you sing?" is a better question you whiny little bitch. And I can't believe that New Line gave the movie the joke title (yes, the title's a joke... and you're surprised FD isn't scary) and then DIDN'T use the song "Freddy's Dead" at all. I actually have edited Curtis Mayfield's "Freddy's Dead" so that it matches up with the end titles montage so I can mute the TV and put that on instead.

Well, let's just agree that Yagher on his worse day is better than Miller period.
I'm not agreeing to nothin'.

And I see plenty of fine detail in the make-up in Dream Master, it looks great up close
It's seriously washed out.

can't say the same for Miller's stuff, New Nighmare is the exception.
GAP-Freddy looks like shit any way you slice it. He's easily the fakiest looking of all incarnations.

T.M.

[Darth Sinister]

I think the only problem with "Freddy's Dead" make-up, from my POV, is that you can really see Englund's face in it. The other films the make-up was such that anyone could've been Freddy while alive. I wouldn't say that Miller or Yagher were bad at all. They just approached things differently, which combined with how the films and episodes were shot, resulted in what we see. I think in the first season of "Freddy's Nightmares", while the molds were definately on their last legs, it was a style choice when they filmed Freddy's scenes. Tobe Hooper set the bar in "No More Mr. Nice Guy" and everyone that season ran with it. It's kinda like how the early Friday films copied what was done in the first film. With the new season came a new direction, but the make-up wound up being coincidental. I don't think the lighting in season one was due to the make-up mold. In the right light, Freddy can look scary or rubbery.

Off topic for a moment, I once used a pic of Freddy from the Fangoria special on FD, as a model for art class once. We were doing faux marbling and since we had to pick something that was interesting and a bit complex for our model, I choose Freddy. Sadly, I don't have any of the final product anymore.

[The Tall Man]

I'da loved to see it, Darth! :(

T.M.

[Chex]

I was reading Fangoria #101 where they have coverage over Freddy's Dead and this quote by Englund sorta stuck out to me:

The sequence we're doing today has four jones in it. I told Rachel that was too many, and that three was the most I should be doing.

Seems like Englund didn't exactly think the jokes were getting too out of hand during that time frame.

There's also a short bit about how Englund would appear in a TV series calledNightmare Cafe by Wes Craven. Is that similar to Freddy's Nightmares in that it's episodes that are horror based, just this time without Freddy?

[Esten]

Nightmare Cafe was more Sci-Fi Fantasy. Only lasted 6 episodes, but those 6 were quality.

[The Tall Man]

S-10 knows, Chex.

Screw Freddy vs. Jason 2. I want Freddy vs. Blackie!

T.M.

[Spade]

Nightmare Cafe was more Sci-Fi Fantasy. Only lasted 6 episodes, but those 6 were quality.

Yeah I remember liking Nightmare Cafe, in fact I think I have the episodes on tape somewhere around here.

[Darth Sinister]

I'da loved to see it, Darth! :(

T.M.

Yeah, I wish I still had those as well. That was some of my best artwork, all things considered. I basically took the shot of Englund in make-up from towards the end of the magazine, where they talked about the make-up. No hat. Just a shot of Englund with full make-up, with that classic sneer. The first one I did was on red paper with green paint and then green paper with red paint. The next year, I did lightning in the sky from a National Geographic. Not nearly as complex, but still good. With Freddy you had to get the burn scars and then the stripes on the sweater. That was the really tough part and I'm lousy doing artwork. The only other one that I had really good success with was a pen and ink drawing of wheat in a wheatfeild. Got a purple ribbon for that from an art show.

As to "Nightmare Cafe", I think if it had come out a couple of years later, it would've been on Sci-Fi as an original series. Didn't watch the show, but I think it was released at the wrong time. Being on NBC didn't help either.

[Jigsaw]

I vaguely remember Nightmare Cafe, didn't Sci-Fi air re-runs at some point around the mid-to-late '90s?

[The Tall Man]

Yes they did.

[Jigsaw]

I think I caught an episode or two when it was on Sci-Fi. My memory is very vague, but I remember the show being pretty good.

[DRE]

I watched every episode first run, and I thought it was great.

[Jigsaw]

I remember Robert Englund being in it, and also Brandon Adams from The People Under The Stairs.

[Esten]

For 3 blank DVD-Rs and return postage, I'd gladly do Nightmare Cafe for peeps that wanna see it. :)

[Lance Lives]

One thing I always found ironic about Freddy's Dead is how the opening credits are so awesome for a return to Freddy's more terrifying roots and the end Iggy Pop song and accompanying clip montage do the entire series justice. What's between the two is totally different from anything else, though. I still love FD, watched it so many damned times as a kid.


I agree, I love both the beginning and the montage. I guess that's a huge reason that I like the flick...it just seems like it SHOULD be badass, but kinda falls short.

[Rich]

I just re-watched this movie (along with FVJ) yesterday. I have to say, I really liked the gloomy feel of the town of Springwood. It is like all of the kids are dead and the adults are all old, and sooner or later, the entire town will be a ghost town. It just has a real feeling of dread and doom to me.

[The Dream Master]

Rich, that's exactly why I think Freddy's Dead is much better than people give it credit for. It's got a great atmosphere in those scenes, and it's a very interesting premise.

[Jigsaw]

I agree with that on Springwood being largely deserted of kids, but a lot of the atmosphere is ruined by the consistant and over-the-top humor. That being said, I prefer FD over TDM and TDC because it's better-paced and more enjoyable for me.

[Deathscythe]

Iterestingly, the last post in the Friday the 13th: The Saga was by Jigsaw on Friday Part VI. The Last post in General Horror was by Jigsaw on Nightmare 6.

Oh and I enjoy Nightmare 4 and 5 more because I like the characters more.

[Jigsaw]

I don't hate TDM nor TDC, I just find them a little dull in parts.

[Deathscythe]

Part 4 actually pissed me off becuase they killed the Dream Warriors off so quickly, but I learned to forgive the film.

[Jigsaw]

Parts of TDM are too cheesy for me. Freddy is resurrected by a dog pissing flames on his bones? Come on. But it's decent entertainment despite it's shortcomings.

[The Dream Master]

Freddy is resurrected because Kristen and the others are still afraid of him. The flaming dog piss is just there because Renny says so. ;)

[Esten]

Nightmare 4 pwns all the other sequels, mangs. Tr00f.

Freddy is resurrected because Kristen and the others are still afraid of him. The flaming dog piss is just there because Renny says so.

"I'm trying to get in Tuesday's pants, so could we siuvlg euglerhbgv lvbtivb speed this up? Like James Bond."

[Deathscythe]

Nightmare 4 pwns all the other sequels, mangs. Tr00f.


Agreed.

Apart from Nightmare 3, of course:p

[DRE]

TDM is top notch, even though the script was a victim of the 88 writer's guild strike. What was Freddy's Dead excuse for such a shitty script?

Say it with me...Mike DeLuca was high!

[Deathscythe]

Perhaps he also drank some of Shaye's vodka.

[DRE]

I think you're right. Shaye had to have been drunk during his cameo also. ;)


As I said before, I love Freddy's Dead for its own reasons, but it doesn't stand up to any of the other films. Freddy is at his weakest and most clownish in this film, they tried to go David Lynch with it and failed greatly.

[Deathscythe]

I thought Shaye had a cameo in all the Nightmare sequels?

Teacher in Nightmare 4 and I headmaster in FVJ come to mind.

[The Dream Master]

He wasn't in Nightmare 3.

[The Tall Man]

Freddy is at his weakest and most clownish in this film
What?!? Freddy was full of kids' souls and was at his strongest in FD. Hell, he was fughin' manipulating reality. Freddy is his weakest in Nightmare 1 easily. But that's to be expected... he's just starting out.

T.M.

[DRE]

Well, for him to be so powerful he sure was acting like his favorite word in that film. Robert should be ashamed for bitching Freddy out as he did in that film.

[Jigsaw]

I wouldn't lay the blame on Robert, it wasn't his idea for Freddy to be portrayed so comically and he probably had no say in the matter. He's gone on record saying he prefers Freddy as a darker character but the filmmakers liked the humored Freddy better.

[Deathscythe]

Dream Warriors, Dream Master, nd even Freddy vs. Jason had pretty good balanceses between evil and funny Freddy if you ask me.

[Jigsaw]

DW yes, and FVJ to a lesser extent, not so much TDM, IMO.

[DRE]

The writing of the character wasn't his fault, but the way he brought that comedy across was all him. He could have made the lame humor come off better had he kept it dark, but I guess it was tough with David Miller's crappy and un-scary make-up on.

[Deathscythe]

Didn't David Miller do the makeup for Part 1? I was wondering about that the other day.

[Jigsaw]

Didn't David Miller do the makeup for Part 1? I was wondering about that the other day.


Yes. Miller did the make-up for NOES1, TDC and NN.

Dre, I also think a lot of the directing in FD was a factor in why Englund's performance in that film isn't particularly menacing. It was obvious Rachel Talalay approached the film like a cartoon and the way she directed Englund, she got just that type of performance out of him.

[DRE]

In response to Miller, yes he did, and was much better in the past than he was in Dream Child, Freddy's Nightmares S2 and Freddy's Dead. His work in New Nightmare was a little better.


GD, you may be right about the directing.

[Jigsaw]

I think Miller's make-up on NOES1 and NN was excellent, but I agree that TDC could've been better.

Didn't John Carl Beuchler do the Freddy make-up in FD, though? :confused:

[Esten]

Talalay wanted to bring "elements of Bart Simpson", as she said in the making-of.

[Jigsaw]

That she most certainly did in the film. Freddy in this movie was basically a burnt Bart Simpson with a razor glove.

[DRE]

JCB did the other efx but Miller did the Freddy efx.

[Jigsaw]

Alright, thanks for clearing that up. The NOES series sure has had a lot of different make-up artists working on the films, which is no surprise given how many effects are employed.

[The Tall Man]

Glad you folks cleared up that Englund's performance is mostly on Talalay's doing (and De Luca's) and not Englund's. Englund is a Shakespearean trained actor. And for better or for worse, Shakespearean actors' training means that their loyalty is first and foremost to the script and it's tone. Englund had no problem getting dark with Nightmare 7. So it's not his doing but theirs.

Didn't John Carl Beuchler do the Freddy make-up in FD, though? :confused:
Beuchler did Freddy's makeup in one scene on FD: The sequence where Freddy smashes Johnny Depp with a frying pan. Beuchler did Freddy's makeup for that single scene.

T.M.

[DRE]

No one is contesting Sir Robert's acting ability. The man was in burnout and pretty much phoning it in by Freddy's Dead, it happens to any actor playing a lead role in a long running series (Expect Tobin Bell to start showing signs in the next Saw film.)

[sCabbOy]

I think he was burnt out by Dream Child. He sure seemed like it.

[Jack Bauer]

The only thing I hated was they hardly used the glove, and when they did they used this:

http://www.gamerevolution.com/oldsite/articles/rants/powerglove.jpg

[Deathscythe]

You forgot about the power glove!!!

Bleh, one of the lamest kills in the whole series.

[Ron]

i think that the power glove kill was a new low for the series.

[Deathscythe]

Me too, I thought the deaths in this film were too cartoonish.

[DRE]

His look during that scene was priceless though, and I still laugh at it to this day. But then I remember I'm watching a Freddy Krueger film and groan, screaming "Where are the fucking scares!"

[Deathscythe]

Does anybody find it weird that one of the least popular Nightmare sequels seems to have the biggest thread f all the nightmare therads?

[Kane Lives]

You forgot about the power glove!!!

Bleh, one of the lamest kills in the whole series.


For me, it was the worst kill in the series. I tend to skip that scene whenever I watch Freddy's Dead. lol

[Chex]

Maybe with luck we'll get a new film either via sequel or remake where Fred uses an analog controller and a headset to off some kid on XBox live or whatever.

[Esten]

Freddy was totally ahead of his time with the Power Glove. I mean, that sucker was WIRELESS. The gaming industry copied him, so he'll be contacting his lawyer to sue the hell out of people.

[Jigsaw]

No one is contesting Sir Robert's acting ability. The man was in burnout and pretty much phoning it in by Freddy's Dead, it happens to any actor playing a lead role in a long running series (Expect Tobin Bell to start showing signs in the next Saw film.)


Sadly that's very true.

I didn't mind the idea behind the death with the Nintendo game, but the cartoonish execution really killed it IMO. Had it been darker and malicious in nature, it would've been a lot better.

[The Tall Man]

Dre, Jig, I'm sorry but Englund is FAR from phoning his performance in in FD. Just because you don't like the direction of the portrayal doesn't mean he's playing it poorly. Englund is WAY more energetic and fun to watch in FD than he is in Nightmare 5 and FN season 2 because THAT was when he was burned out (as self admitted by Englund).

Hell, I'd say give Englund the oscar for his performance in FD. If Marisa Tomei can win, Englund's lively FD performance is in the bag.

T.M.

[Deathscythe]

Too bad horor films barely win any awards. :(

[DRE]

We will just have to agree to disagree TM, because what I see in Freddy's Dead is a half assed portrayal of Freddy Krueger. And I blame all the parties involved, from Shaye on down to Englund himself.

[Scarecrow]

Englund is certainly enjoying himself and has a LOT of energy and I'm sure it's fun for him and could be FUN for an audience if that's what they're after but as a horror film... no. Just no. :p


- Scarecrow

[nottidelterrore]

While one of my least favourite entries in the series, I still like this one a good deal. My only gripe was Ricky Dean Logan not telling Freddy that hoverboards don't work on water. And then having Jason Scott Lee pop in with "Unless you've got powa!"

Nice to see Orville Ketchum in this in a creepy, disgusting role. And get the shit kicked out of him but not as bad as Sorority House Massacre II & Hard to Die.

[Hypnocil]

Dre, Jig, I'm sorry but Englund is FAR from phoning his performance in in FD. Just because you don't like the direction of the portrayal doesn't mean he's playing it poorly. Englund is WAY more energetic and fun to watch in FD than he is in Nightmare 5 and FN season 2 because THAT was when he was burned out (as self admitted by Englund).

Hell, I'd say give Englund the oscar for his performance in FD. If Marisa Tomei can win, Englund's lively FD performance is in the bag.

T.M.

I agree. I don't care for the way he played it, but I will say he plays funny Freddy just as well as he plays scary Freddy. The man is a very good actor.

Does Rachel Talalay still direct?

[nottidelterrore]

I forgot to mention that I liked the 3-D aspects of Freddy's Dead. Some fun stuff right there, yo.

It's a really silly movie but one I can easily enjoy.

[The Dream Master]

Does Rachel Talalay still direct?

I'm pretty sure she's only been directing TV shit ever since Tank Girl. :X

[nottidelterrore]

I randomly found "The Shon Greenbatt Shrine."

http://www.geocities.com/shongreenblatt/

Looks like he's been chillin' wit da Limp Bizkit.

[Hypnocil]

I randomly found "The Shon Greenbatt Shrine."

http://www.geocities.com/shongreenblatt/

Looks like he's been chillin' wit da Limp Bizkit.

Wow, that is random and disturbing. Also kinda sad, since it hasn't been updated since 2004. I had no idea Shon was tight with Fred Durst.

I'm pretty sure she's only been directing TV shit ever since Tank Girl.
I forgot about that gem. I thought Ghost in the Machine was okay...


Random Freddy's Dead observation: I thought the opening song, with the Goo-Goo Dolls, was actually pretty good and opened the movie very well. That is all.

[Rich]

This is the part where Tall Man has his arms in the air and says, "hell has frozen over. Rich is defending the Nightmare sequels." The truth is, I go back and fourth on them. They are just movies after all, and they privode fun entertainment.

Just because you don't like the direction of the portrayal doesn't mean he's playing it poorly

I must agree. Freddy was portrayed a little differently in Freddy's Dead then he was in previous film. The character was developed a little differently, but Robert did a 100% great job doing it. I must say that though I am more of a fan of scary Freddy over funny Freddy, Robert did a perfect job in performance. That opening scene where he hits John Dow with the bus and does that laugh and screams, "No screamin' while the bus is in motion!" was pretty much what set the tone for the film and Robert's take on the ultra funny Freddy.

Lets face it. Freddy's Dead was the 6th film in the series that came out in the early 90s and had the last 1/2 hour of the film in 3D. It was meant to be the "fun film" of the series.

Englund is WAY more energetic and fun to watch in FD than he is in Nightmare 5

I think that the character over all was more energetic in Freddy's Dead, but in Nightmare 5 is almost seemed like they kept bouncing back and forth from scary to funny. They didn't seem to solidify the character in Nightmare 5 as much. The performance was equally great, but the portrayal was slightly different.

Englund is certainly enjoying himself and has a LOT of energy

He has always done that. Whether you are talking about the original film or Freddy's Dead or Freddy vs. Jason, Robert has always had energy and enthusiasm, which is part of the reason he is so good at that role. I remember Wes Craven saying that every human being has a dark side within them. It takes a really good actor to be able to 1) admit to themselves that it exists, 2) be able to actually tap into it, and 3) be able to channell it in one particular direction.

Make no mistake, Robert Englund is a very good actor. He is (as Heather Langenkamp said) a classicly trained actor and takes every piece of work he does very seriously to make the ending product the absolute best it can be.

[Jason3000]

I don't understand why 'Freddy's Dead' gets such negative feedback from fans. If you really want to watch a CRAPPY Nightmare movie, then the Dream Child is the one that you need to watch. A complete and utter mess. Freddy's Dead has always held a special place for me, probably because it was the first Freddy movie i saw as a child. I loved the airplane sequence, the silly video game sequence, his daughter, the flashbacks to him killing his wife, the flashbacks to freddys school days, the final show down. It might be a little over the top yes, but this certainly doesn't deserve the bad rep it always gets. It's not the best entery but i always found it to be entertaining. I think it's more entertaining than A New Nightmare, Dream Child, and Freddy's Revenge.

[CountProphet]

Freddy's Dead has always held a special place for me, probably because it was the first Freddy movie i saw as a child.

Well, that explains everything. ;) If you like it thats fine but, I think the huge hate with this film is the fact it basically, makes a mockery of Freddy and all the kills are ridculous. Carlos death is the only one they got right. As, for Dream Child being the worst nightmare...Well, Fredrick wasn't as in goofball mode as he was in Freddy's Dead.

[Harmonic Bond]

Well, that explains everything. ;)

Not for me, Freddy's Dead was the last pre-NN NOES I saw, and I have consistently liked it better than 4 or 5. Sometimes 2, depending on my mood. Both 5 and 6 had tons of problems, but there is a lot of silver lining to FD. It has (IMO) the best developed characters since Dream Warriors. Tracy and Doc are both great characters, and Spence and Carlos are interesting enough side characters. I liked the premise too, Springwood being a childless, inescapable ghost town controlled by Freddy. The paint by numbers characters of 4 and 5 and contrived premises make the comparison easy for me. I suspect the return of a popular character in 5 often gives it the symbolic nod in fandom over 2 and 6.

[The Tall Man]

I tend to think that many many viewers nowadays are not in on the joke of FD.

The title of the movie, "Freddy's Dead", SHOULD be a tipoff as to what you're in for. I mean, it's not explaining to you what's going to happen... Freddy was dead before the first movie started. "Freddy's Dead" is a joke name, based on the Curtis Mayfeld song "Freddie's Dead" from 1973. New Line even used a Fishbone cover for the end credits of the workprint, but alas, for whatever ungodly reason, no incarnation appeared in the final film. The lyrics even somewhat apply to Krueger himself:

"Everybody's misused him,
Ripped him up and abused him..."

My point is, the title of the film is a joke. Why are people so bent out of shape that the movie itself is too?

T.M.

[Timberwolf Entertainment]

I have to agree with the majority that FD is nowhere near as horrible as Nightmare 5.. that is a complete mess from start to finish... and probably the only 'bad' Elm Street film.. in my opinion anyway.

FD is rather goofy.. but it has a lot of strong elements.. and if the end wasn't in 3D it would have been even stronger. The director and other involved said it limited how they shot it.

It also has a kick ass trailer..lol

[CountProphet]

FD is rather goofy.. but it has a lot of strong elements.. and if the end wasn't in 3D it would have been even stronger.

Not chanllenging or anything but, would you mind telling me what you believe are its 'strong' points.:)

[The Dream Master]

Strong points for me are the following:

Freddy's hot daughter
Freddy's hot daughter's fine ass
Good concept for the film (Springwood being a ghost town is awesome)
Englund delivering one of his finer Freddy performances
the flashback sequences
the opening (best in the series for me)
Rosean--oh, wait
some entertaining sequences (like Carlos's death)

I dunno, I could go on and on because I think FD is really underrated.

[Timberwolf Entertainment]

Strong points for me are the following:

Good concept for the film (Springwood being a ghost town is awesome)
Englund delivering one of his finer Freddy performances
the flashback sequences
the opening (best in the series for me)
some entertaining sequences (like Carlos's death)

I dunno, I could go on and on because I think FD is really underrated.

I agree with these. And yes Deluca's script was very good. The film was much broader and grander then most of the others as well. Shaye and Company really wanted to go out with a bang and it shows.

Robert is good in this too.. while he is the goofball at times.. Some really deep seeded creepieness does surface in some places. (Like when he kills his wife)

The film flows and makes sense.. which is more than I can say for 5. Despite the lighter tone (sometimes) the only thing that really hurts the film is the weak ending. BOOM "Freddy's Dead" HUH?

But how can you top an ending like N4?

Rank (without NN)

1,4,3,FD,2,5

With NN

1,NN,3,6,2,5

I don't really put FvsJ in my rank.. i kinda consider it a seperate thing

[The Tall Man]

Originally, the movie ended with a group high-five freeze frame... but that hasn't been seen since the 105-minute domestic theatrical print in 1991... that is unless you don't have the alternate German release print, "Freddy's Finale: Nightmare on Elm Street 6" [sic].

Strong points for me are the following:

Freddy's hot daughter
Freddy's hot daughter's fine ass
For my money, DM's fine points trump anything anyone has bad to say about the film. :shy:

T.M.

[CountProphet]

Freddy's hot daughter
Freddy's hot daughter's fine ass

Err......Sure! :confused:


Good concept for the film (Springwood being a ghost town is awesome).

Meh, I guess what I didn't like about that is, the massive retcon of Freddy's powers. Throughout 1-5 we were taught a few basic things:

1. Freddy can only affect the dream world.
2. Freddy can only directly attack children of the Elm Street mob.
3. Anybody else can only be attacked after being pulled into the dream realm by a third party (Kristen, Alice, Jacob)



Englund delivering one of his finer Freddy performances

Whatever you say. I personally, think Pt. 2 is underrated installment.

[The Dream Master]

Anybody else can only be attacked after being pulled into the dream realm by a third party (Kristen, Alice, Jacob)

I think it can be easily argued that Alice leaving left the door wide open for Freddy to do whatever he wanted to. Plus, we've never seen Freddy this powerful before, which explains why he can mess with the real world as well. If you set out to end the series as this film did, I think you raise the stakes and give it an almost apocalyptic feel, and FD pulled it off well enough.

[The Tall Man]

Err......Sure! :confused:
Are you denying DM's eyesight?

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/9437/lisaz029uw4.th.jpg (http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lisaz029uw4.jpg)
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/995/lisaz056nb7.th.jpg (http://img530.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lisaz056nb7.jpg)

T.M.

[BlakeTyner]

In thinking about it, I've got to go back on myself and say that FD isn't as terrible as I've probably made it out to be in the past. Part of my issue was personal, anyway: this was the first Nightmare I saw when it was new, and also the first Nightmare tape I owned. As such, it got played over and over and over and over, and even today I can recite it line for line. Once the luster wears off like that, it's hard to enjoy. (I could say the same for "Friday" with Ice Cube and Chris Tucker, though that one doesn't fall flat as much for me.)

Freddy's Dead has its moments, and as suggested earlier, there is a creepiness factor to it. Freddy killing his wife, for one; the molesting father; the different torture gloves in the basement.

I actually like the concept of Springwood as a ghost town, even if that only occurs here. It makes it difficult to believe that things could be so hunky-dory in FvsJ (if, like me, you place FD before FvsJ in the timeline.) But still, cool idea. The execution got a bit meh, and I'm not so sure I enjoy the application of dream powers to the real world, especially vis-a-vis ending up at the statue after turning every which way.

This film also has one of my favorite throwaway lines: "I'mma break a bottle over your head if you don't shut the fuck up!"

I tend to like the little temper tantrum Freddy throws when Carlos can't hear him. That's nearly as funny to me as Freddy's "seisure" in Nightmare 1 when Nancy throws the kerosene on him (seriously, watch for it...it looks like that stuff makes him go epiliptic for a sec. Similarly, watch Mikey at the end of Halloween 1 when he gets shot. Fucker starts to Vogue.)

When compared to what is, IMHO, the complete and utter piece of shit Nightmare 5 (which, despite trying repeatedly, I don't think I've ever been able to finish) it's not all that bad.

So yes, I agree. FD and NOES 2 are probably pretty underrated in the grand scheme. And though it may be blasphemy to say so, NN might be overrated.

~Blake

[The Tall Man]

I tend to like the little temper tantrum Freddy throws when Carlos can't hear him. That's nearly as funny to me as Freddy's "seisure" in Nightmare 1 when Nancy throws the kerosene on him (seriously, watch for it...it looks like that stuff makes him go epiliptic for a sec.
Freddy seriously didn't want to be set on fire. That seems more like a temper tantrum to me than in the Carlos dream. In Carlos' dream he seems to be consciously goofing on him for being deaf while Carlos is none the wiser.

Similarly, watch Mikey at the end of Halloween 1 when he gets shot. Fucker starts to Vogue.)
But isn't it fucking awesome though? :sniffle:

T.M.

[Scarecrow]

I actually like the concept of Springwood as a ghost town, even if that only occurs here. It makes it difficult to believe that things could be so hunky-dory in FvsJ (if, like me, you place FD before FvsJ in the timeline.) But still, cool idea. The execution got a bit meh, and I'm not so sure I enjoy the application of dream powers to the real world, especially vis-a-vis ending up at the statue after turning every which way.


I like to think that it isn't the true "reality" of Springwood but that Freddy's become so powerful dreams have spilled over into reality. An almost Silent Hill film-style aspect where there's a the real town and the Freddy version overlayed. There's no wya a rela town could become like that, people come and go, goods are brought in, petrol, an economy wouldn't just die in that way. I like to imagine the inhabitants are under Freddy's influence, acting nuts because of the way reality is warped around them. And after he's dead, the influence leaves and town snaps back to closer to reality. It works for me. :p


- Scarecrow

[CountProphet]

Are you denying DM's eyesight?

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/9437/lisaz029uw4.th.jpg (http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lisaz029uw4.jpg)
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/995/lisaz056nb7.th.jpg (http://img530.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lisaz056nb7.jpg)

T.M.

Sorry, I personally don't see it. :doh: I'm sure its a fine buttox to you and TDM though.:angel:

[Deathscythe]

One thing that I really hated in this film (and to an extent in Dream Child) was the makeup. It always irked me.

[Melanie Jarvis]

I think the thing that cracks me up the most about this movie is that the doctor is like, "Ok, get ready to go into this other world and fight Freddy... and don't forget your 3-D glasses!"

[Jason3000]

Yay! It looks like i reignited a pro Freddy's Dead campaign!! See, it's not really that bad honestly. Just don't take it seriously and you might find yourself enjoying it. Actually, after Part 4, how could you take it seriously? This was just as silly as some of the previous movies.

And those of you that said this movie has some creppy undertones, i definitely feel you. The ghost town of Springwood is rather really spooky, and the kids driving around in circles, and the house which turns into this maze, and then the Freddy flashbacks. It has a lot of creepy elements. If they would've dug deeper into that and got rid of the silly video game/3-D elements then this movie would've been a lot better. But i'll take it for what it is.

God i haven't watched this movie in years, but now i want to really bad. I'm gonna watch it sometime this weekend and post a new review. It's been at least 9 or 10 years since i seen this.

[Ron]

I would love to add to the whole "pro-Freddy's Dead fight", but I just love bad slashers so I would be biased.

[Rich]

I am not a huge fan of Freddy's make-up in Freddy's Dead either. It looked very lazy and without much detail. On the other hand I did like the story line of Freddy and his wife and daughter and Freddy's laugh was at it's best in this film.

I just wished the 3D worked better on the DVD.

[The Tall Man]

I think Krueger is FAR more detailed in season 2 of Freddy's Nightmares/Freddy's Dead (same molds) than he was in Nightmare 4 and season 1 of Freddy's Nightmares. They had been using the same molds from Nightmare 2 at that point, and his face has an undetailed, washed-out look.

T.M.

[CountProphet]

On the other hand I did like the story line of Freddy and his wife and daughter I can tolerate Freddy having a daugther and wife but, not the fact that he was seeking revenge on the parents of Springwood for taking away his daughter.:doh: I liked the original concept, that he was avenging his own death by punishing the parents by killing their children.

Too me, it just seems like Freddy could careless about that.:duh:

[The Tall Man]

Prophet, say what you want about Krueger, but he was a good dad.

T.M.

[Nancy Thompson]

I can tolerate Freddy having a daugther and wife but, not the fact that he was seeking revenge on the parents of Springwood for taking away his daughter.:doh: I liked the original concept, that he was avenging his own death by punishing the parents by killing their children.

Too me, it just seems like Freddy could careless about that.:duh:

See thats why i hated Freddy's dead because he he was killing children and it turn out he had a kid. Sorry i still do not buy it

[Rich]

I agree with CountProphit that the original concept was the better once, but the FD one does make sense. His sanity was taken away from him at a very early age because of his domestic situation, his conception, and the way he was treated by others. As a result of the effect that all this happened to him, he became a psychotic murderer. Then, his child (and life) was taken from him. Then, he took all the children away from the parents who took his child away.

It isn't as good of a concept as the original concept, but I think it carries this particular film good enough.

Freddy in his original concept is a dark, evil lothesome creature who murdered little kids and was burned by a lynch mob for it. It is the classic two wrongs don't make a right kind of thing, because he comes back in the dreams of the young Elm Streeters and makes the new generation pay for the sins of the old, kind of like the War in Iraq will be paid for for scores to come.

[Chex]

Freddy's Dead is the male equivalent of erectile dysfunction. It tries to start strong and keep momentum happening, but the end result is just a flaccid embarressment for all involved as it's evident there just isn't anything left.

[Spook]

I think what this film suffered from was poor directing choices. I've read two different drafts of the script, and I could easily imagine a better movie than what we got. Sure, the concept is bizarre, but it had potential to be a decent film. Though, to be fair, I found the film to have a nice Twin Peaks vibe to it (which is what the director has stated was her inspiration). While it may be the worst in the series, I think it holds up rather well compared to most sequels in other franchises.

[The Tall Man]

I just want to point out that the screenplay concerning the Dream Police and Freddy being beaten to death by his stepfather is NOT a script for this film. It's only a script for a possible sixth Nightmare film, but not a draft of "Freddy's Dead".

The "Freddy's Dead" concept didn't come along until Mike DeLuca and Talalay came up with their storyline.

T.M.

[Spook]

Either way, the draft that was actually entitled Freddy's Dead was the one I was referring to the most (I didn't make that clear). I could easily see the same script they used, but as a much better film.

And speaking of scripts, does anybody know anything about Peter Jackson's script for a sixth Nightmare film? All I know was that it was entitled The Dream Lover. Has it ever been mentioned in an interview or something?

[The Tall Man]

Spook, it was about kids going into the dream world just to beat the shit out of Freddy like a game.

:/

T.M.

[Kane Lives]

I still recall the shock of first reading that a few years ago. lol

[CountProphet]

And speaking of scripts, does anybody know anything about Peter Jackson's script for a sixth Nightmare film? All I know was that it was entitled The Dream Lover. Has it ever been mentioned in an interview or something?


Yeah, it doesn't sound to great either. Basically, Freddy was really weak in the dream world and he basically, became a bunch of kiddies bi*ch. They came to the dreamworld everytime they could too beat the crap outta of him. Eventually, he kills a few and becomes strong once again and I think tries to extract revenge on them. Well, thats what I heard anyway.

I still recall the horror I felt when I first read that. lol
So did that script really have Jacob and Alice in it? I haven't read it yet but, thats what I've heard.

[Rich]

Spook, it was about kids going into the dream world just to beat the shit out of Freddy like a game

I'm glad they didn't do that. At least the characters in the stories have to take the villan seriously, although the film basically is pointless.

[Kane Lives]

So did that script really have Jacob and Alice in it? I haven't read it yet but, thats what I've heard.

I haven't read the script, just what Jackson talked about in Fangoria back in 1996. After the kids beat the hell out of Freddy and he killed a few of them, the story continued with one of the kid's Fathers going into a coma. He has to try and survive inside the dream world with Freddy while the surviving kids come up with a way to get him out. I don't recall any mention of Alice and Jacob in that one. They were in the Dream Police draft though.

[Rich]

I think I remember a long time ago reading that there was a comic book that actually stated that John Dou from Freddy's Dead was actually Jacob of Nightmare 5. Is this really true? I wish they had brought back Lisa Wilcox as Alice and had her character come full circle of either being their for Freddy's being sent to hell or by being killed by Freddy, but either way, her character needed closure that I didn't think we got. She should have been brought back in Freddy vs. Jason somehow.

[The Dream Master]

Wilcox wanted to be a part of FvJ, but NLC wouldn't pay for her to come up to Vancouver or some shit.

[CountProphet]

Wilcox wanted to be a part of FvJ, but NLC wouldn't pay for her to come up to Vancouver or some shit.

Thank goodness. It was a horrible film anyway.;)

[Rich]

I wouldn't say it was horrible, but reguardless of how good or bad it was, she only would have raised the quality of the film just for being a fan recognizable character.

[Geddy Peart]

Does anyone know what Alice's role would have been in FvJ?

[Nancy Thompson]

She probley would have be the one that try to stop Krueger

[Rich]

I'm not sure, but if she was in it, then I would think that Jacob would have to be in it too. I know the FD comic book said John Doe was Jacob, but since the film didn't say it then it isn't canon.

I would have loved to have seen the dream master return in Freddy vs. Jason. I don't know how it they would have been written into the story but it would have been nice to see Lisa Wilcox return as Alice and Thom Mathews return as Tommy Jarvis.

[Geddy Peart]

I don't know how it they would have been written into the story but it would have been nice to see Lisa Wilcox return as Alice and Thom Mathews return as Tommy Jarvis.


You mean you wouldn't want Corey Feldman to reprise the role?

[The Tall Man]

Geddy, film executives don't.

You write in a cameo in a script and the execs go, "Jesus, now we have to pay Feldman too? Cut this shit out."

Yeah, they're cheap bastards.

T.M.

[Rich]

I liked Corey in The Final Chapter, but I don't like him much now. I would much rather Thom. He was my favorite version of Tommy Jarvis.

write in a cameo in a script and the execs go, "Jesus, now we have to pay Feldman too? Cut this shit out."

And THAT's when they should have went, "we don't have to, we can just get that Mathews guy from the other sequel." :D

[Jus-X]

I liked Corey in The Final Chapter, but I don't like him much now. I would much rather Thom. He was my favorite version of Tommy Jarvis.



And THAT's when they should have went, "we don't have to, we can just get that Mathews guy from the other sequel." :D

I heard Fieldman wanted to be pit against Jason again... but I really like Mathews, not so much in Return Of The Living Dead, but he kicked ass in Friday! It woulda been cool to have the Dream Master, the Son of The Dream Master, and Tommy to come into the scene.

[Geddy Peart]

I heard Fieldman wanted to be pit against Jason again... but I really like Mathews, not so much in Return Of The Living Dead, but he kicked ass in Friday! It woulda been cool to have the Dream Master, the Son of The Dream Master, and Tommy to come into the scene.


Personally, I always thought it would have been cool if Dr. Gordon was Lori's dad.

[Rich]

I liked Mathews in Both Return films and Friday 6. Actually those are the only three films I have ever seen him in. I liked his Tommy Jarvis the best though.

[Jus-X]

I liked Mathews in Both Return films and Friday 6. Actually those are the only three films I have ever seen him in. I liked his Tommy Jarvis the best though.

Yeah... it was great to hear him say:

"Come on Jason! Come on maggot face come and get me! Jason, come on, come and get me, it's me you want remember!? Come on maggot head, come on! Come on you pussy!"

The only guy to call Jason a maggothead and pussy. Ontop of that he survived. Thom Mathews as Tommy Jarvis reigned supreme!!!

[James M]

I know I'm in a minority, but I actually enjoy Freddy's Dead. The whole film has a sort of unique, I guess I'd call it cynical tone that I think works very well. And I actually do find some of Freddy's antics funny.

[Jus-X]

You're no minority, it's a great movie, just not my favorite.

[Rich]

Freddy's Dead is what I call a "feel good Freddy movie." It didn't take itself seriously at all. Freddy was at his goofiest. Even the last 15 minutes were in 3D (although the DVD's 3D is not great). It was one of those beer and pizza fun films that works more like a comedy then a horror film.

"What's with kids today, hah? Nooooooo respect!"

[The Tall Man]

What? They DON'T have any respect. Can't fault the man for telling the truth.

T.M.

[HiCkMaN!]

only thing i liked about this movie was Alice Cooper as Freddys dad/step-dad? :D

[The Tall Man]

Stepdad, Hickman. Robert Englund plays Freddy's biological father in Nightmare 5.

T.M.

[Jus-X]

Stepdad, Hickman. Robert Englund plays Freddy's biological father in Nightmare 5.

T.M.

I always just saw him as an extra in that scene... just as a nod to Englund

But yes, Alice Cooper play his stepdad

[The Tall Man]

Justyn, nope, they were squarely pointing out that he was the exact one who deflowered Amanda Krueger (first). It is even written as such in the script (right down to signifying it's "Robert Englund sans makeup").

T.M.

[Jus-X]

I never read the script. That's one thing that always pissed me off about my computer, I don't think I have the right software or whatever to pop in the discs and access the CD ROM... or DVD ROM, whatever it is.

[Spook]

Well, there are plenty of websites out there that hosts the scripts to the films (nightmareonelmstreetfilms.com comes straight to mind).

[Nancy Thompson]

Personally, I always thought it would have been cool if Dr. Gordon was Lori's dad.

Thank God they did not have him as that bitch's father! I hated her with a passion but i like Dr Gordon
ADDED:
I never read the script. That's one thing that always pissed me off about my computer, I don't think I have the right software or whatever to pop in the discs and access the CD ROM... or DVD ROM, whatever it is.

http://www.movie-page.com/ go there you do not have to save the scripts to read them

[Ron]

Personally, I always thought it would have been cool if Dr. Gordon was Lori's dad.

Dr.Gordon from the Saw series???:confused:

[Jus-X]

Dr.Gordon from the Saw series???:confused:

Dr. Gordon is the name of the lead pychologist in Westin Hill in Nightmare 3. He's the one who fought Freddy's skeleton and put the crucifix on Freddy's skull

[Ron]

Thanks for the clarification..it's been a while since I've watched Nightmare 3.

[Dead Cell]

Lori was a dimwit, her dad was a jerk, and Dr. Gordon got fired from Westin Hills long ago. I'd hate to see him cast as her dad. :p