Halloween 5: The Revenge of Michael Myers

[Joshg]

Here's the discussion for the 1989 sequel.

Now, this was my favorite Halloween sequel. It thought it was good ol slasher fun, and while it does have its flaws (clown cops, myers house, mute, etc...) I loved Tina Williams, the creepy barn, and the Jason-like kills. Michael steps into sleazy slasherdom with this one. Many hate the fact that Rachel Cruthers gets killed early on in Part V, but I thought it was great shock value.

I give Halloween 5, 8/10. Yes! I love it! Ha-hA!

[Ron]

well josh I must say that we are a minority. i don't think many people regard this as one of the better sequels, but i sure as hell think so. I love the stabbing through the air conditioning duct scene. i thought there was some coo kills. i didn't like that mask, but that can be overlooked. all in all, i say this is a solid halloween sequel.

[Wheatjedi]

I definitely enjoy Halloween 5. While I don't like this sequel as much as I enjoy II and 4, I certainly don't hate it at all. I even remember being kind of scared when I saw it back in '89 in a dark theater.... so I went back and saw it a second time! :)

[Ron]

I think the should have used the alternate opening with that punk rocker finding Michael.

[CanadianFonzie]

this is tied with part 4 as my 3rd favourite Halloween movie, it's hard to decide between the two if you ask me

[Wheatjedi]

4 and 5 certainly work well together as a nice double-feature.

[CanadianFonzie]

1 and 2 got good together, 4 and 5 go good together...none of the others go good together

[The New Blood]

I hate this movie. I've tried many times to watch it with a better perspective, but it could never change how much it just sucks. Terrible film making..terrible...

[Utellme]

I hate this movie. I've tried many times to watch it with a better perspective, but it could never change how much it just sucks. Terrible film making..terrible...
My words exactly

[Deathscythe]

I think this could have been an excellent sequel if it weren't rushed. There were some great scenes, like the basement scene.

[Wheatjedi]

I agree. Halloween 5 should have been scheduled for 1990 instead of '89. The script needed more time to develop.

[Franchise]

It's a shame that it was rushed. I can remember being 13 or 14 and watching this one. It was pretty crap even then. If I could go back and change some things, I would. No chain playing with Shape. No Man in Black. No Thorn crap. Girard had no idea what he was doing with any of that stuff.

[Deathscythe]

It's a shame that it was rushed. I can remember being 13 or 14 and watching this one. It was pretty crap even then. If I could go back and change some things, I would. No chain playing with Shape. No Man in Black. No Thorn crap. Girard had no idea what he was doing with any of that stuff.

I'd also get rid of Tina, I couldn't stand her (Sorry Tina fans).

[Franchise]

Oh, I'd agree there. Tina is a sorry replacement for Rachel and most know that one. Tina was just an annoying teenager that I didn't care for then and don't care for now.

[Deathscythe]

I didn't like her friends either (even through Sammy was hot), but than again, I didn't really like any character post H4.

[Autobotsdie]

I heard an interview somewhere that the girl playing Tina wished they didn't kill her off in part 4 and that she survived somehow and was able to be in 5.

[Deathscythe]

I heard an interview somewhere that the girl playing Tina wished they didn't kill her off in part 4 and that she survived somehow and was able to be in 5.

Wai-wha? Tina wasn't in 4, she was only in 5.

[Autobotsdie]

I meant the girl that played Rachel. My bad. I got it mixed up.

[Deathscythe]

Yeah...but Rachel did survive H4, and she was in H5.

Edit: I think the girl your referring to is Kelly Meeker.

[Ron]

I meant the girl that played Rachel. My bad. I got it mixed up.


Ellie Cornell?

[Autobotsdie]

I thought she died in 4?

[Deathscythe]

Nope, she survived.

Like I said before, I think the girl your referring to is Kelly Meeker.

[CampNewBlood]

Halloween 5 is a pretty good sequel. I like it alot up until the point right after Rachel gets killed. It has some very creepy scenes reminiscent of the original Halloween....with all of the interior daytime shots of the house, Rachel seeing/hearing things in the house (open doors, noises)....all of those are very good scenes. And after she is killed and her friend leaves the house and is outside and she turns around one last time and looks up at the window.....I love that. Great stuff.

But after that, it just goes downhill for me.

[Joshg]

Well, I'm a Tina fan. "Maxxxxiieee!"

Except the costume surprise build up was fucking stupid. :D "Bum-de-de..." You know it.

And yes, the Myers mask was the worst I've ever seen.


While I dispise that horrible Thorn storyline, PART 5 DID NOT MAKE IT! Blame that on six. Yes, it introduced the man in black, which led to it, but he was a mystery to the director also. That's like blaming a cow for your sister drinking poisoned milk. Yes, the cow made the milk in the first place, but it was those criminals who added the poison. :)

[Autobotsdie]

So if Michael was marked with the thron when did it happen?

[Wheatjedi]

It happened on or just before the night of October 31, 1963. In Halloween 6, Mrs. Blankenship claimed to have been babysitting for Michael that Halloween night, so it's reasonable to assume that he was cursed while at her house. Of course, it could have also happened some time before that.

[The Tall Man]

I am not a fan of Tina... but I am a fan of her sweet, uptown rack and that washes away a lot of sins, as far as I'm concerned.

Apparently, they had another script for Halloween 5 that was closer to Halloween 4. Girard read it (when Girard recounts this story, he tells it with pride. You and I will listen to it and think, "The fuck is wrong with you?!") and actually threw it into the trash can in Akkad's office then proceeded to write this mess.

Anyway, as far as Halloween 5 is concerned, I only have two words for it:

"Cookie Woman"

Pleasance is a goddamned genius. "Cookie... woman?"

T.M.

[Ron]

I am not a fan of Tina... but I am a fan of her sweet, uptown rack and that washes away a lot of sins, as far as I'm concerned.

Apparently, they had another script for Halloween 5 that was closer to Halloween 4. Girard read it (when Girard recounts this story, he tells it with pride. You and I will listen to it and think, "The fuck is wrong with you?!") and actually threw it into the trash can in Akkad's office then proceeded to write this mess.

Anyway, as far as Halloween 5 is concerned, I only have two words for it:

"Cookie Woman"

Pleasance is a goddamned genius. "Cookie... woman?"

T.M.

bless your heart Tall Man..Cookie Woman. Only Loomis could solve it!!:D

[Autobotsdie]

Lmao. Cookie woman.

[Dave Dunwoody]

I love the gothic-horror tone of this movie. It's not always there, and when it's not, the film suffers (clown cops), but when it is, it rocks. I also loved seeing Loomis finally come unhinged. And of course, the Man in Black is a total badass in this entry. The mask was wildly off but I liked it.

[Ron]

I love the gothic-horror tone of this movie. It's not always there, and when it's not, the film suffers (clown cops), but when it is, it rocks. I also loved seeing Loomis finally come unhinged. And of course, the Man in Black is a total badass in this entry. The mask was wildly off but I liked it.

i think this film really strived for a gothic-horror tone and succeeded in many ways, but came up short when it comes to certain aspects like the wannabe fonzie and the dim wit cops.

[Wheatjedi]

I definitely could have done without the two cops being played for comedy. That just didn't work at all. Othenin-Girard should never have been chosen to direct this film. But I do love his commentary on the DVD. He was totally hitting on Danielle Harris! I asked her about that last month at Fear Fest, and she thought it was a little weird too.

[Ron]

i thought the mask in this one was horrendous.

[Deathscythe]

Haha yeah, the infamous big neck Michael Myers.

[Joshg]

Worst Myers mask of the bunch, IMO.

Haha, I'm going to be thinking about Cookie Woman all night now. Never realised how hysterical it was, until now! :D

[MaDMaNMaRz]

Agreed that the mask in H5 is the worst in the series. The neck is HUGE, lol.

I used to like H5 alot when I was younger......about 8 or 9. As time passes, I dislike it more and more.

[Autobotsdie]

I agree. Why they changed it from 4 to 5 in the year that they filmed is beyond me.

[Joshg]

Yeah. The Part 4 mask was horrible. But the part 5 mask was just dreadful! They got worse. :( Better in 6, but he looks like a troll there too.

[Autobotsdie]

They should've kept the 4 mask for part 5 because when they show the last few minutes of part 4 in 5 they leave the mask from 4 in there but a few minutes later it changed.

[Joshg]

LOL, yeah.

Oh I get it! The bullets hit the mask, and when Myers fell down, the bullets' weight held the mask lower, stretching the in and exterior latex, revealing a larger, thinker, longer, more in style mask at the bottom. Isn't physics great? :P

Seriously, I think it's just...as many people have put it recently...."bad film making"

[Deathscythe]

Yeah. The Part 4 mask was horrible. But the part 5 mask was just dreadful! They got worse. :( Better in 6, but he looks like a troll there too.

I like the Part 4 mask, it has a plain expression and doesn't show Michaels eyes at all.

[CampNewBlood]

Yea I like it when you CAN'T see his eyes. He is scarier when you only see black holes for eyes.

Halloween 5 does have some good scenes such as the ones I stated earlier, but the further it gets towards the end it just unravels.

[Deathscythe]

Yea I like it when you CAN'T see his eyes. He is scarier when you only see black holes for eyes.

Agreed, I always hated that H20 scene when it shows a close up on Michaels eye.

Halloween 5 does have some good scenes such as the ones I stated earlier, but the further it gets towards the end it just unravels.

Also agreed, like when Dr. Loomis tries to reason with Michael in the Myers house.

[Ron]

this movie was a beautiful train wreck

[Autobotsdie]

To me the reasoning that Loomis did with Michael was almost funny. I mean here is Loomis reasoning with him and has been chasing him for years and almost for a second it looked like Michael was giving up without a fight. Any known killer that was put away in a mental hospital will not go down that easy.

[Ron]

Loomis was going to town on him with that piece of wood.

[Autobotsdie]

In the behind the scenes takes of the film the guy that play Micheal said that Pleascence broke his nose when he was hitting him with that board.

[Deathscythe]

Haha, Loomis did pwn Michael, as did Tommy in Curse of Michael Myers.

[CampNewBlood]

By this point in the movie, Dr. Loomis needs a Psychiatrist himself the way he is acting.

I like the opening to Halloween 5. The music is cool how it starts off slow and then builds into the infamous Halloween theme.

I also like the music that is playing during the video trailer for Halloween 6. It has that Gothic/Gregorian chant sound.

[Deathscythe]

Halloween 6 has gotta be my favorite Halloween trailer, I loved the atmosphere in H6.

Also I liked opening credits too, but I prefer H4 opening over it.

[Ron]

yeah, but michael should have neen watching his diet in 6.

[CampNewBlood]

Wasn't George Wilbur playing Michael Myers in 4 & 6? He was too fat for me and he had those Joan Crawford shoulders goin on.

[Deathscythe]

Yes, Geroge Wilbur played the H4 and H6 Michael Myers. Hard to believe its the same guy, I find the H4 and H6 Michaels to be very different.

[Ron]

the part 6 mask always looked like it had a thick layer of paint caked on it.

[nickmeece]

Alan B. McElroy had a story for H5...something to do with Jamie being the new Shape...I personally like the idea. Halloween 5 could have been the feminine remake of H1...too bad.

[Ron]

I really wish that she would have become the new shape. it would have freshened up the series.

[Joshg]

Yeah. And then in Part VI, they find out Michael's alive, and both he and Jamie team up to kill everyone! :P Hehe, but yes, Jamie as the Shape would be pretty wicked in her clown mask. Eerie.

[Ron]

Yeah. And then in Part VI, they find out Michael's alive, and both he and Jamie team up to kill everyone! :P Hehe, but yes, Jamie as the Shape would be pretty wicked in her clown mask. Eerie.

I'm sure Danielle Harris would have been more than happy to have the work.

[The Tall Man]

Just a quick note, Wilbur does not play Myers in the conclusion of the theatrical cut of Halloween 6.

T.M.

[Mr. Undertaker]

alright i watched it last night.... sorry but I dind't like it.....way too slow, it seemed like it would never end. :(

[Autobotsdie]

It would make sense to have Jamie as the shape since she did touch Michael and some of his curse transferred to her.

[Autobotsdie]

I did notice something when I was watching it earlier. I don't know it the film was fliped or it was a blooper but when Michael is chasing Jamie in the car if you look closely you can see Michael driving on the right side of the vehicle in a couple shots.

[Joshg]

Not a mistake. That was the part when Michael drove off to the side, and crossed borders into England. Silly Michael,

[girlychaos]

alright i watched it last night.... sorry but I dind't like it.....way too slow, it seemed like it would never end. :(


I have to agree with you here. I've watched it recently and I gotta say I don't remember not liking it before. Now, I can honestly say it didn't work for me...I don't like the characters, the pace, the mask....really....I won't be watching it again anytime soon.

[El Rooto]

5 > 4.

I always preferred this one to The Return.

[Joshg]

5 > 4.

I always preferred this one to The Return.

Yay! Another one who lays down the 5 > 4 rule. :) Thankyou MM.

[Autobotsdie]

Anyone else think that when Jamie was saw Michael outside watching her that it was reminescent to when Laurie saw Michael outside watching her in the first one.

[Scarecrow]

Anyone else think that when Jamie was saw Michael outside watching her that it was reminescent to when Laurie saw Michael outside watching her in the first one.

I reckon that was probably the point. ;)


- Scarecrow

[Wheatjedi]

I definitely prefer Halloween 4 to Halloween 5, but I still enjoy the fifth film. I like how it works well as a companion piece to 4. I just wish more time could have been given to the script.

[French Friday]

I just wish the house had been the same as always.

I have no problems with the other parts of the movie.

Just the house.

[Joshg]

The only thing that truly bugged me....that got under my skin....was the damn clown-cop music! I HATE that.

[Autobotsdie]

Why did they change the house?

[Deathscythe]

They rushed the flim so they didn't have time to use the original house.

[The Tall Man]

They changed the house because they had to have their big climax take place there and it wouldn't work in a little small house, so Girard re-wrote it to be a huge labyrinthical place. You can put the blame on Girard. I think he even cops to it on the audio commentary?

T.M.

[Autobotsdie]

I thought that it was because the original house was moved some where else?

[The Tall Man]

Not according to the H5 Divimax DVD. Check it out. (er, I don't know about the moving, but I'm talking about the reason why Girard changed the Myers house to a dusty mansion)

T.M.

[Autobotsdie]

i saw that part. They rented the house from the people who were renovated it and completly trashed it while they put those people in a hotel for a couple weeks.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

I STILL haven't gotten either H4 or H5 Divimax DVD. I need to get those. I'm not really a fan of 5, but I still want it for my collection.

They actually explain why they changed the house in the commentary? I've always wondered about that. I thought it was kind of pointless.

[French Friday]

OK, here's my stupid theory for that damned house. I'm sure everyone was waiting for it !

That house was a bad advertising for the town, so after the H4 events, the Mayor just decides to hide it.

What happened is that the Strodes (from H6 who didn't live in Illinois at this time) didn't want to destroy the house. They wanted to sell it. They were sure they'll get money from it. So the Mayor was blocked. He couldn't erase it from the street as he wanted.

But as the Strodes never came themselves in Haddonfield, the Mayor decided to hide the house, building new exteriors. A new front, new sides, new doors, all just put in place OVER the original house (it happens in reality, the reason being mainly to change the neighboorhood look without having to rebuild the houses, too expensive, so they just improve the exterior appearance of the buildings and houses - it happened in my own neighboorhood).

When a few months later (let's say December 1989), the Strodes came to Haddonfield for the first time since the death of his brother/cousin, they saw the horror and they just asked the Mayor to remove all that stupid exterior, and they then rebuilt the house to move in in the early 90s.

IMO, the inside of the house wasn't seen enough in H1/2/4 to say it's impossible to have that inside in H5. We never saw the same rooms twice in the series. So my problem is only with the outside.

So I have an answer, I know it's stupid, but I'll work around that idea to find a better one for my next watching.

After all, the house was fixed for 1995, meaning changes are possible between 4 and 6.

Obviously Loomis isn't surprised by the new look, but he stayed in Haddonfield the whole year, so he already knew many months ago what the Mayor did to the house.

Oh, and if you think the Mayor's idea was stupid, just remember it's the Mayor who forbid Halloween in his town because of 3 nights of murders in 11 years, with 10 years of peace between the first and the second...

[Chex]

Just a quick question/comment:

We never saw the same rooms twice in the series. So my problem is only with the outside.

It's been a while since I've seen Halloween II, but I thought maybe we had a shot from the upstairs out on to the lawn when all the cops were there. Maybe not though.

In Halloween VIII, I thougth a couple of the kids ventured off into Judith's room.

Lastly, we do get to see quite a few rooms in Halloween V that we see in Halloween as well.

Some of those though I can't remember as it's been too long.

Oh, and if you think the Mayor's idea was stupid, just remember it's the Mayor who forbid Halloween in his town because of 3 nights of murders in 11 years, with 10 years of peace between the first and the second...

I don't see how the mayor's reaction would be classified as stupid. They've had a high body count in their town. People are scarred for life from it. Not to mention since a lot of people didn't move away, some may have demanded Halloween be banned as it looked as if only the teens wanted the ban uplifted. Oh, and there may (and probably was) more than one mayor from 1978 to the early 90's.

[French Friday]

As for the rooms of the house, we know the house was fixed between 1989 and 1995, then was "upgraded" by the show for the 2002 webcast. So the important stuff for continuity is between 1-2-4 and 5. And well, I was never really bothered by the different interiors in these 4 movies. They always seem to match IMO. Different rooms, different angles, "10 years after"...

As for the mayor being stupid, I was just saying that because it's a stupid idea to hide an house with a different outside. And if I say he's the same mayor who forbid Halloween, it's because the "relooking" happened in 1989 and the "forbidding" sometimes after 1989, so it's safe to say it would be the same Mayor deciding both. And I prefer only one mayor taking stupid decisions than two.

And why would it be stupid to forbid Halloween after 5 ? Because there were only 3 nights of murders in 11 years. 3 nights in 17 years as it's always forbideen in 1995. 14 nights in peace. 3 nights in blood. Which one should win ? A normal mayor would have understood Halloween is not necessary a bloody night for Haddonfield.

BUT - I just thought about it right now - I could accept the forbidding being a smart move if the mayor and authorities take the 1988 and 1989 cases as copycats. THEN only, forbidding masked people during Halloween would be a kind of smart move to prevent other copycats. And as a copycat is in my theory for now, I surely accept to change my opinion on the mayor. It kinda makes sense when we see how much the Shape costume was fashion in H4 and H5. Too many Shapes in the street on Halloween night = danger for the town that night.

But I'm always not totally happy with my H5 House theory. I should work on it.

[Autobotsdie]

I can see a mayor forbidding Halloween for those 3 night too but maybe the reason he did for all those years was because all the murders happened on Halween so he was just being catious not to have repeat of thos 3 nights. If i was mayor and alot of murders happened in my town on 3 different Halloweens I would probably do the same thing for several years even though there might be a lull in between the murders.

[Deathscythe]

So Halloween 5 came on AMC today and I tired to give it a rewatch. Couldn't bring myself to finish it...but at the scene I stopped at, I noticed something.

Is 9 year old Jamie Lloyd actually outrunning a car? I never thought about that everyime I watched this film.

[The Dream Master]

Is 9 year old Jamie Lloyd actually outrunning a car? I never thought about that everyime I watched this film.

I, on the other hand, am in awe of this fact everytime I watch it.

That, and "cookie woman!?" (Had to throw that obligatory reference in).

[nottidelterrore]

So Halloween 5 came on AMC today and I tired to give it a rewatch. Couldn't bring myself to finish it...but at the scene I stopped at, I noticed something.

Is 9 year old Jamie Lloyd actually outrunning a car? I never thought about that everyime I watched this film.

Billy's stuttering giant Busey teeth gave Jamie the power to outrun the car.

[girlychaos]

I have tried to give this movie one last shot a few months ago and it was simply impossible. There is no way anyone would make me see it again, I really mean that.

[Deathscythe]

I have tried to give this movie one last shot a few months ago and it was simply impossible. There is no way anyone would make me see it again, I really mean that.

Same here. I try to like the film but everytime I give it a rewatch I just lose interest really quickly.

[Chex]

I have tried to give this movie one last shot a few months ago and it was simply impossible. There is no way anyone would make me see it again, I really mean that.

But it has the constant 70 minutes of filler that really don't mean jack to the storyline, Michael acting out of character, the over usage of "Tiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnaaaaaa!!!", and some kid who likes women with big cookies. What's not to love? Oh right, everything I just mentioned.

I can not stand this film in the least after giving it a shot a few months back. Not even the Donald could save it.

[Jigsaw]

H5 is just okay IMO, but it's easily one of the weakest installments of the series. Take out the excellent beginning and ending and some of Donald's scenes in the middle, and you have a very weak effort that's almost not worth seeing.

[Scarecrow]

It stands as a fairly competent and interesting slasher movie but can't cut it in the high stakes of the Hallowen franchise. Part 4 really did so well to restore the series and give it its own identity and Part 5 seemed a rushed Jason-esque clone in comparison.


- Scarecrow

[Jigsaw]

I think that's H5's biggest problem, it's very obviously rushed and everyone feels tired and uninterested most of the time. With a year off, this movie could've been crafted into an excellent sequel, but it's clear that being as rushed as it was it turned out very below-average.

[Joshg]

I really liked Halloween 5, which I can see, is not a majority answer. Haha, but I agree in how it's sloppy. A hermit keeps Michael, (who isn't undead!) for a whole year. And "clown music" plays in the back of the cops.

But I enjoyed the barn scenes. Spitz was annoying though. I liked Sammy, and, yes, I LOVED Tina! Eeerrgh at the haters! :) I thought the deaths were fun, (Pitchfork, Scythe, Scissors, Fork-Thingy) and I mean, come on, H5 could have left the cops alive. That would have sucked more, would it not?

[Spade]

I have tried to give this movie one last shot a few months ago and it was simply impossible. There is no way anyone would make me see it again, I really mean that.

I can not stand this film in the least after giving it a shot a few months back. Not even the Donald could save it.

I think H5 is one of the worst installments in the franchise, but I can still watch it every now and then. Hell I'd take it over the remake any day.

[nottidelterrore]

Halloween 5 is pretty bad but I can watch it whenever it's on AMC or every now & then on DVD. It's a huge step down from Halloween 4, which I thought was a really good sequel. And the previous movies before that, obviously.

[girlychaos]

I didn't like part 4, but it's a lot better than part 5 IMO. I have tried, I really have...but I just can't watch part 5 and it's been official since my last attempt, lol.

[Kane Lives]

Halloween 5 is the only Halloween film in the Original series that I cannot make it through. I just find it dull, and have never been able to find anything that I really like about it.

[Scarecrow]

I didn't like part 4, but it's a lot better than part 5 IMO. I have tried, I really have...but I just can't watch part 5 and it's been official since my last attempt, lol.

A shame really as the ending with Loomis going nuts and then the shoot out is probably the best part of the film!


- Scarecrow

[Jigsaw]

I always thought H5 had a very eerie ending, and it's easily one of the better parts of the film.

[DRE]

Micheal Myers in fucking jail? How rude.

Seriously, I kinda like Halloween 5, maybe even a little more than Curse (both are bottom of the barrel sequels, IMO.)

Halloween 5 is a victim of the 1989 curse, along with Nightmare 5 and Friday 8. They all came off strong hits in 1988, and just fell flat on their asses in their rushed 89 follow ups.

[Spade]

A shame really as the ending with Loomis going nuts and then the shoot out is probably the best part of the film!


- Scarecrow

I always thought H5 had a very eerie ending, and it's easily one of the better parts of the film.

That is true.

Halloween 5 is a victim of the 1989 curse, along with Nightmare 5 and Friday 8. They all came off strong hits in 1988, and just fell flat on their asses in their rushed 89 follow ups.

I completely agree. That's a bad year for all three franchises. Halloween 5 is one of the worst Halloween movies (along with the remake and Resurrection IMO), Dream Child is my least favorite ANOES movie, and JTM is one of my least favorite F13th movies lol.

[Jigsaw]

I meant when Jamie finds the corpses of the cops inside the police station and finds Myers missing. I always thought that was very creepy.

I agree about 1989 not being a good year for Horror sequels. Actually, it seems Horror movies in general took a steep fall that year, from so many of them being rushed out the door.

[Spade]

I thought that was what you were talking about (the Jamie ending), I just grouped your post and Scarecrow's together so I didn't have to say "That is true" to both of them lol. I agree with both of them though - the Loomis going crazy part and the shootout are pretty cool and the part where Jamie is walking through the station and notices Myers is gone has a creepy feel to it.

[nottidelterrore]

Haha. Michael Myers in jail is a hilarious thing. Ridiculous. Sitting next to OJ.

[girlychaos]

A shame really as the ending with Loomis going nuts and then the shoot out is probably the best part of the film!


- Scarecrow

Oh...I've seen it a couple of times when I was younger. Never really liked it, but managed to sit through it. These days I just can't watch it all, it gets too annoying and I run out of patience.

[alicefan696]

Halloween 5 is my fav. of the sequels and I thought it was good, had good kills, the atmosphere to it was good and I would prob. give it a 10/10

[Ron]

I actually wish that they didn't trim some of the gore.

[Joshg]

Gore was trimmed? Why didn't AB release it uncut? :(

[Deathscythe]

What kills were trimmed?

[James M]

What kills were trimmed?

I'll just copy from IMDB.

# The scene in which the cop (Fenton Quinn) is killed outside of the Myers' house was shortened considerably. In the original version, as Michael is bashing his head into the glass on the windshield, there was a shot where you could see the glass embedded into his face.

# The shot of Mikey (Jonathan Chapin) quivering on the ground was shortened to avoid an "X" rating. You can still notice the abrupt jump in the shot before he is dragged away by Michael.


There's an obvious jump cut in the cop's death as well.

[Ron]

I don't think there was too much trimmed, therefore it didn't really affect the film that much.

[girlychaos]

Not enough to save the movie anyway.

[Jigsaw]

Does anyone have a picture of the Myers burn make-up that KNB created for this movie but was never used?

[Scarecrow]

Does anyone have a picture of the Myers burn make-up that KNB created for this movie but was never used?

Why was it never used? It'd certainly have made sense...


- Scarecrow

[Deathscythe]

Because we all know Michael is secretly a male model (unmasking scene).

[Jigsaw]

Why was it never used? It'd certainly have made sense...


No idea. I read it from the IMDB.


KNB Effects had designed grotesque facial makeup for Michael Myers' unmasking towards the end of the film. The producers told them to do so as an option, either showing Michael's badly scarred face or keep it in the dark. They went for the latter.

[Ron]

I would have liked to have seen a burnt Michael's face.

[Jigsaw]

Me, too. I always wished we saw his face more often, we've hardly seen it outside of the original Halloween.

[Chex]

I always wished we saw his face more often, we've hardly seen it outside of the original Halloween.

Wow, I'm surprised to read that. Most people comment on how they don't want to assosciate anything humane with Myers as "it's not needed". Seeing his face would supposedly take away from his "evilness".

[Jigsaw]

I always thought it would be neat just to see it for once after it was hidden for so long.

[Ron]

I always liked how Jason's face was almost always exposed once every film even if it was brief. I don't think a quick shot of a face would take away from Michael's evilness.

[Jigsaw]

I agree. And I always thought it would've been neat to have seen Michael's face burned and scarred, and probably with parts of his original mask fused to his face.

[Ron]

That actually sounds very cool.

[Jigsaw]

He probably wouldn't have much hair either from the fire. I'm guessing maybe the reason why we never saw Michael's face was to avoid making him seem too similar to Jason, since Jason was well-known for getting unmasked.

[Ron]

I was always kinda bothered by the fact that in 5 when he takes his mask off for Jamie that he appears unscarred and has long hair.

[The Dream Master]

Wow, I'm surprised to read that. Most people comment on how they don't want to assosciate anything humane with Myers as "it's not needed". Seeing his face would supposedly take away from his "evilness".

That's how I feel about Myers, which is why I'm glad we never really saw his face all that much. For me, the Shatner mask perfectly conveys all you need to know about Myers.

[Jigsaw]

I was always kinda bothered by the fact that in 5 when he takes his mask off for Jamie that he appears unscarred and has long hair.


On the DVD you can very clearly see Don Shanks' normal face when he's unmasked.

[Scarecrow]

On the DVD you can very clearly see Don Shanks' normal face when he's unmasked.

True but that was probably not the intention at the time, I imagine in cinemas it was just bathed in darkness. For instance, yuo ste the brightness up on Hellraiser II you can see Channard stood in the Cenobite Transformation chamber as it opens BEFORE he emerges from the shadows.

- Scarecrow

[Jigsaw]

DVD transfers often clean up a lot of artifacting and grain, making what wasn't visible theatrically clearly visible on DVD.

[The Dream Master]

DVD transfers often clean up a lot of artifacting and grain, making what wasn't visible theatrically clearly visible on DVD.

If that happens, the DVD transfer isn't doing its job correctly, then. The entire point is to get a film to look as closely as possible to the theatrical exhibition.

[Ron]

On the DVD you can very clearly see Don Shanks' normal face when he's unmasked.

Yeah, and it's in perfect condition. No burns or scars. Man, that bothered me.

[Jigsaw]

If that happens, the DVD transfer isn't doing its job correctly, then. The entire point is to get a film to look as closely as possible to the theatrical exhibition.


But in the theaters, the films tend to have a bit of artifacting to them, and the DVD releases clean things like that up. Unless the reels in the theater have the lighting adjusted.

[The Dream Master]

But in the theaters, the films tend to have a bit of artifacting to them, and the DVD releases clean things like that up. Unless the reels in the theater have the lighting adjusted.

When a print is fresh, it represents the best the film will ever look. Sometimes a shitty theater can fuck things up, but it's got nothing to do with film as a medium. If anything, digital compression adds artifacts rather than removing them.

I have no clue what Halloween 5 looked like in theaters, but if you weren't supposed to see Michael's face, then the DVD transfer must have the brightness jacked up a bit.

[Jigsaw]

I remember seeing H5 on cable a lot during the early 2000s on HBO and Cinemax, and it was always very grainy and murky-looking. It was probably intentionally filmed that way, but the low budget also probably has a lot to do with it as well.

[Joshg]

Yeah, sometimes brightness enhancement can destroy a film's intent.
For the original Friday the 13th, it wasn't extremely bright, but I was able to see exactly how Savini did the make-up for Kevin's kill. I took a screenshot, brightened it, and noticed the colors for the neck and chest were different toned than Bacon's face. Savini took some make-up the same color as the body, and it to where the fake neck meets Kevin's body, to blend. I could have found that out another way, but doing it this way was funner. Experience over matter! :) ...no, wait...

[Scarecrow]

But then the solution is rather simple, or at leats it'a always workled for me. Adjust the brightness settings on your TV!


- Scarecrow

[Rich]

I was always kinda bothered by the fact that in 5 when he takes his mask off for Jamie that he appears unscarred and has long hair.

This is s stretch but I guess you can say that the mask shielded his face from the fire long enough to where he feel down flat on his face, that at least put the fire on and around his face out. As far as his hair being long...well...he was knocked out for a year after Halloween 4, and even when you are dead your hair still grows, so that was a little touch of authenticity.

Seeing his face would supposedly take away from his "evilness

I kind of agree, although we saw his face in the original. The thing about Myers is that he has more of a human element to him then Jason does, but he is still very much the human representation of "evil on two legs," as Dr. Loomis states.

[Lance Lives]

I heard that it's not true that you're hair still grows after your dead. You skin is slowly shrinking back giving the impression that the hair and fingernails are getting longer. I'm sure it still grows when you're in a coma though...I still don't know about the lack of burns though.

[Scarecrow]

I heard that it's not true that you're hair still grows after your dead. You skin is slowly shrinking back giving the impression that the hair and fingernails are getting longer. I'm sure it still grows when you're in a coma though...I still don't know about the lack of burns though.

Indeed...

Which screws up the entire Resident Evil film series. :p


- Scarecrow

[karloff]

There are a lot of posts so if this has been discussed sorry, but did anyone notice the breast slip by Wendy Kaplan. It's even visable in the AMC version!

I don't know the exact time, but when Michael is in the car after Jamie, Tina and Billy he crashes. Ok so when Jamie calls for Tina, Tina says Jamie, and than gets up, well when she gets up off the ground one of her breasts is exposed!!!

You can even see it in the TV version.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

I've never noticed that before. I don't like H5, but i'll have to watch it one day and try to spot it.

[karloff]

It's easy to miss. But when you do notice it you won't miss it again LOL. I mean even the TV cencors missed it.

[Swahili]

Its just like the Jabba dancer in Return of the Jedi, her boob flops out right before she falls into the Rancor pit.

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

It's easy to miss. But when you do notice it you won't miss it again LOL. I mean even the TV cencors missed it.

Oh wow...because you guys mentioned it, I just popped it into my laptop...and there it was! :p

[karloff]

Oh wow...because you guys mentioned it, I just popped it into my laptop...and there it was! :p

I cannot believe I never noticed that in all the years I've seen the film. I saw it posted once on IMDb. Popped in the DVD and I actually missed it at first, Rewound it and noticed it.

Like I said it's even seen in the TV version.:D

[Rich]

:hypno:

I'm watching Halloween 5 tonight. I have seen that movie so many times, but never noticed that. I hated Tina's annoying character, but loved her rack. :D

[Scarecrow]

Breaking News: Tina justifies her existance shocker!!!


- Scarecrow

[MaDMaNMaRz]

:hypno:

I'm watching Halloween 5 tonight. I have seen that movie so many times, but never noticed that. I hated Tina's annoying character, but loved her rack. :D

She did have a great rack....that's about the only good thing about H5, haha. :lol:

[nottidelterrore]

There are a lot of posts so if this has been discussed sorry, but did anyone notice the breast slip by Wendy Kaplan. It's even visable in the AMC version!

I don't know the exact time, but when Michael is in the car after Jamie, Tina and Billy he crashes. Ok so when Jamie calls for Tina, Tina says Jamie, and than gets up, well when she gets up off the ground one of her breasts is exposed!!!

You can even see it in the TV version.

That's about the only time I liked seeing Tina on screen. :D

[karloff]

Come one guys Tina was awesome LOL. Ok yeah she can be a little annoying at times, but I loved Tina. I'll be honest she's one of my fave characters in the series. she was fun.

[Deathscythe]

Eh well I don't own H5, and I'm not going to sit through that mess to see nudity. The pervert inside of me is secretly asking for a PM screencapture through.

[mirage2130]

Same here. Although part of me is kinda curious.

Eh well I don't own H5, and I'm not going to sit through that mess to see nudity. The pervert inside of me is secretly asking for a PM screencapture through.

[Ron]

One of the most intense scenes happen in this film! This movie is shit on for no reason!

[The New Blood]

You know that feeling when you puke, but hold it in your mouth until you get to the bathroom to spit it out? Thats pretty much the same feeling that sitting through this movie gives.

[Violent VictiM]

You know that feeling when you puke, but hold it in your mouth until you get to the bathroom to spit it out?

It's the same feeling I got when you made me do 5 Vodka shots back to back, then numerous more throughout the night.

I also feel it may be the same feeling when you started throwing up after chugging half the bottle.

[The New Blood]

It's the same feeling I got when you made me do 5 Vodka shots back to back, then numerous more throughout the night.

I also feel it may be the same feeling when you started throwing up after chugging half the bottle.

Did I puke that night? I know I was drinking that shit like it was water. Yummy:D

[Chex]

One of the most intense scenes happen in this film! This movie is shit on for no reason!

Eh? I've given plenty of reasons why this film is comprised of dung:

-Feels and looks like a made for tv film.
-Myers has no reason to go after anyone in the film that's not Jamie. He knows where Jamie's at and none of the killings are creating a distraction that was needed nor did it prove to be that.
-Terrible comedy in the bumbling cops. Sound effects/music equally as bad.
-Myers driving someone around itself comes off as strange. The fact that he simply lets her go is even more so.
-The Myers house is now gigantic.
-The man in black and his pointless scenes. Don't create a character if you're not even sure what to do with him let alone who he is.
-There's no tension in anything other than Myers snapping after taking his mask off.
-The terrible let down from what they had to work with given the previous entry's ending.
-I'll suspend my disbelief that nobody found Myer's body for an entire year, but asking me to accept that he laid around someone's bed for that period of time is asking for too much.
-Could care less about the characters. They're filler fodder. Heck, no screen time should have been given to them since Myers going after them had no purpose.
-Terrible writing that Jamie's parents decide to just go on vacation 1 year after the incident and nobody finding Myer's body.
-Even more terrible writing that Rachel was going to do the same thing.
-Tina. Shut the hell up woman.
-Kid who likes big women with cookies. Shut up.
-Myers looking he just got bum raped in his cell at the end.
-No closure on this sheriff we spent two movies with. We'll just assume this other character who's had a total of 6 minutes of screen time which was spent showing off his boots killed him in his slow motion tommy gun shooting scene.

You can very well disagree and say you enjoyed the film as that's completely fair, however, you can never say that reasons were not listed by those that think the film is nothing more than a piece of celluloid devised to steal one's soul bit by bit.

Did I puke that night? I know I was drinking that shit like it was water.
You did. In VV's mouth. When you guys made out. It was a tender moment. :)

[The New Blood]

You did. In VV's mouth. When you guys made out. It was a tender moment. :)

I thought we told you, no peeking!:mad:

:lmao:

Yeah, this movie is a perfect example of what happens when a studio's main concern is to get a movie in theaters as soon as humanly possible.

[4BarrelHemi]

Pointless movie that's all that needs to be said. Could have had potential but fails.

[The Dream Master]

You guys are going to shit bricks when you see the reviews for this and Halloween 6 at OTH later this week. :X

[Chex]

I thought we told you, no peeking!

You said my turn was next!

Pointless movie that's all that needs to be said. Could have had potential but fails.

They could always make a producer's cut: Keep the first 6 minutes and the final 4. Toss everything else in the trash.

You guys are going to shit bricks when you see the reviews for this and Halloween 6 at OTH later this week.

Trying to entice me to venture to OTH with something related to Halloween V is a very odd tactic my friend. I'm not sure if it's the right way to go about it. :p

[4BarrelHemi]

The only way to save this movie would be like Chex said save the first 6 and final 4 minutes and reshoot the rest of the film.

Perhaps digitally insert Tom Atkins into it. :shifty:

[The Dream Master]

I actually heard a rumor that the Man in Black was going to be revealed to be Tom Atkins, but he was too busy seducing some chick with some Miller by the time they started shooting part 6.
ADDED:
Oh my, speaking of which, this is playing on AMC right now. There's a shocker. :X

[Chex]

I actually heard a rumor that the Man in Black was going to be revealed to be Tom Atkins, but he was too busy seducing some chick with some Miller by the time they started shooting part 6.

Yeah, that's why they had to kill off Jamie as JC Brandy was to busy being seduced by Tom. Yeah, I can call him by his first name. We're good pals. Pals do that.

...Atkins.

Oh my, speaking of which, this is playing on AMC right now. There's a shocker.

I caught Halloween and Halloween IV but turned it off after that. I'm tempted to turn it back on to see if Rob Zombies still on there with an actor from the film to talk about the movie. Odds are it's probably Danielle Harris again (she was on for Halloween IV), but unless she's talking about her plans for the sequel to Rob Zombie's Halloween where she runs around the entire film naked and making out with Scout Taylor Compton, I'll probably pass.

The only way to save this movie would be like Chex said save the first 6 and final 4 minutes and reshoot the rest of the film.

Perhaps digitally insert Tom Atkins into it.

At first, I was going to say forget the reshoots. However the last bit sounds like an idea. Maybe just insert scenes from The Fog, Halloween III, Escape From New York, Night of the Creeps, Maniac Cop in place of it. :p

[The Dream Master]

Chex, don't bother. You've already missed the best part of 5: COOKIE WOMAN.

[4BarrelHemi]

Yeah, that's why they had to kill off Jamie as JC Brandy was to busy being seduced by Tom. Yeah, I can call him by his first name. We're good pals. Pals do that.

...Atkins.



I caught Halloween and Halloween IV but turned it off after that. I'm tempted to turn it back on to see if Rob Zombies still on there with an actor from the film to talk about the movie. Odds are it's probably Danielle Harris again (she was on for Halloween IV), but unless she's talking about her plans for the sequel to Rob Zombie's Halloween where she runs around the entire film naked and making out with Scout Taylor Compton, I'll probably pass.

T

At first, I was going to say forget the reshoots. However the last bit sounds like an idea. Maybe just insert scenes from The Fog, Halloween III, Escape From New York, Night of the Creeps, Maniac Cop in place of it. :p

What no Leathal Weapon scenes? :duh:

[Chex]

Chex, don't bother. You've already missed the best part of 5: The title font and the pumpkin at the end of the opening credits.

Oh no! (see quote)

What no Leathal Weapon scenes?

See, I wasn't sure about adding in non-horror or even horror out of the 80's. So I wasn't sure about that or The New Kids or even Bruiser. Crap, I forgot Creepshow though. Caaaake!

I've let down Atkins for such a folley.
ADDED:
So I flipped it over to AMC and just noticed two things:

1. I never noticed that when Jamie is at the Myer's house in place for the trap, she's brushing her hair in Judith's room.

2. After that, it cuts to Loomis for a moment elsewhere in the house. In the background on the wall is a thorn sign.

[4BarrelHemi]

Thorn is everywhere. :shifty:

[Chex]

Oh wait, I do remember the thorn sign from last time I watched this film. Eh, still leaves the brushing the hair in Judith's room I guess.

[SaturdayThe14th]

i thought halloween 4 was a great sequel when i saw it. as for 5, i guess i'd say i enjoyed it but that doesn't necessarily mean its a good movie. of all the sequels 6 might be my favorite, scared the hell out of me the 1st time i saw it. 2, 4, and 6 were all great installments in the sereis. 5, eh so so, H20 an ressurection not so good. H2o for me was tolerable but oh my god ressurection, was that supposed to be a joke? busta rhymes is a douche bag...hmm how can we end this one? i know know lets busta rhymes karate kick michael myers into to some electrical wires!!! what a load...

[Ron]

I really hated the mask in 5..it looked terrible.

[Violent VictiM]

I really hated the mask in 5..it looked terrible.

I thought 4's was terrible till I saw it in 5. That was the scariest part of the film! :eek:

[Chex]

Dammit Pete, we're never going to agree on anything for this film. :p

I thought the mask, while not the greatest, was a step way above Halloween IV's mask. It reminded me of some pale business guy with his slicked back hair. Oh, I do give props to the mask with the blonde hair. Sure it was a mistake to have that in the film, but I like to pretend that was Ben Tramer from Halloween II back for revenge against Loomis. After all, he only tackled him.

Halloween IV: Ben's Revenge!
ADDED:
Me and VV had a same time post which means we're awesome to the max. We're "fuck off Wade" awesome.

[Ron]

Ellie Cornell said on the commentary that the mask in that one scene in 4 looked like Billy Idol.

Chex, I'm confident that we can find something about this movie that we can agree on:D

[Chex]

Ellie Cornell said on the commentary that the mask in that one scene in 4 looked like Billy Idol.

Billy Idol as Ben Tramer in Halloween: Ben's Revenge. I'd see it.

Chex, I'm confident that we can find something about this movie that we can agree on

Possibly. Ummm, I liked the opening credit font. Oh, and the pumpkin at the end of it. If you liked either of those then hey, there's something. :)

[Violent VictiM]

ADDED:
Me and VV had a same time post which means we're awesome to the max. We're "fuck off Wade" awesome.

/me Charlie Browns

[Ron]

I just reread the list the you posted Chex and I agree with most of it. Sadly, I still like the movie for unexplained reasons. i guess I'm just a glutton for punishment.

[JVM]

Halloween 5 Mask > Halloween 4 Mask

I enjoyed the movie, it was a good late-night popcorn flick. But it's not something to watch and expect to change your life as much as the original could have. It's the kind of movie you watch when you're bored and want to just see some people get hacked the fuck up, not when you want to see an actual Halloween installment.

[Chex]

I just reread the list the you posted Chex and I agree with most of it. Sadly, I still like the movie for unexplained reasons. i guess I'm just a glutton for punishment.


Sometimes some of the most entertaining films are the ones that are just that bad. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. No big deal.

What was the most intense scene though that you mentioned?

[The New Blood]

This piece of shit is on amc right now(yes again). I don't know why they bother showing it on tv. I'm sure nobody is watching it. Atleast I hope they aren't.:p

[JVM]

1989 is the worst year for Horror, between Halloween 5, Nightmare 5, Friday 8... Plus, my grandmother died in 89

1989 - The Year of the Phail

[Ron]

I was referring to the laundry chute scene, Chex.

[The New Blood]

I was referring to the laundry chute scene, Chex.

Too bad they cut out the part of that scene where Michael stabs Jamie in the leg. That would have been made the movie slightly better.

[Ron]

Not sure if she auctioned it or not, but I know that Danielle Harris had the prosthetic leg that they used.

[Violent VictiM]

I'm watching it right now. I just noticed the Thorn symbol you were talking about, Chex. Never saw it before.

[Chex]

I'm watching it right now. I just noticed the Thorn symbol you were talking about, Chex. Never saw it before.

Once you notice it you wonder how the in the hell you never saw it before. It's just right there in the open.

This piece of shit is on amc right now(yes again). I don't know why they bother showing it on tv. I'm sure nobody is watching it. Atleast I hope they aren't.
Oh snap, VV!

:p

I was referring to the laundry chute scene, Chex.

Oh. Hmmm, well, while I don't agree that I thought there was really that much tension, it's one of the better scenes in the whole film. Hey, if you trim out all the filler it would still be there. :) I did forgot one other part I liked which is at the very end when Jamie says "no....nooo" and it's somewhat distorted.

[4BarrelHemi]

Why is this continually being shown??? I can agree the laundry shoot scene was decent and also was actually something that Myers would do since he was.............wait for it.............................actually doing what he was supposed to in this film and kill his niece instead of go after drunk horny teens.

[Jason_Legend]

I don't really like or dislike this movie. Some of it works, though.

[4BarrelHemi]

I don't really like or dislike this movie. Some of it works, though.

I would agree it would work as a regular slasher flick or even if it was the first in a series of films we knew nothing about prior to this.

As a Halloween installment it however does not work.

[Violent VictiM]

I think the only reason Michael went after all the drunk, horny teenagers is due to the fact that Tina eluded him earlier. He then picked up Tina, dressed as her boyfriend (whom I thought naming Michael as well was genius) thinking she was going to lead him to Jamie. He figured he could get that check in the kill column, and get led to Jamie at the same time.

The last time I watched this movie I was like, 11 so I didn't really put together the whole Thorn thing and what-not. I feel like the way they ended this movie vs. started 'Curse' was really good. Halloween last night creeped a little bit closer to being my favorite horror franchise.

[Chex]

I think the only reason Michael went after all the drunk, horny teenagers is due to the fact that Tina eluded him earlier. He then picked up Tina, dressed as her boyfriend (whom I thought naming Michael as well was genius) thinking she was going to lead him to Jamie. He figured he could get that check in the kill column, and get led to Jamie at the same time.

Which shouldn't matter though since his niece who eluded him last year that he has so much raaaaage for and that can make him cry should be his intended target. There was no need to be lead to Jamie as he knew where she was via the link. Heck, I'm wanting to say in the first few moments of the film, he's standing around outside her room at the clinic in a yard or something.

I think the power of Thorn was like "yo mikey, you gotta kill time for the next 75 minutes of this film so go do something else." By power of Thorn, I mean the director who needs to be kicked in the shins.

[Ron]

People praise Jason for killing drunk horny teens, why not Michael:D

[4BarrelHemi]

People praise Jason for killing drunk horny teens, why not Michael:D

Well that's what Jason does though we expect that from him and he does a mighty fine job might I add!

Michael save for the first Halloween before we knew about the family connection his whole thing in every other film except for 90% of Halloween 5 his whole point in being is to kill his family.

Killing Tina and her friends really serves no purpose other than to fill in a movie that could have been over in 15 min if Michael had just done what he was supposed to do.

[Rich]

Michael save for the first Halloween before we knew about the family connection his whole thing in every other film except for 90% of Halloween 5 his whole point in being is to kill his family.

Well, what is wrong with Michael forgetting about the family for a little while and just being the pure and evil boogeyman that he was in the original? That is what made the original work so well to begin with. Plus in Hallo-5, he was after Jamie the whole time. He seemed to get side tracked by going to the party but I think he over herd that they were going to the tower farm, so he went to see if Jamie would actually get there, plus he needed certain people (mainly Tina) out of his way.

As far as murdering dorky teenagers, that is what they all do in every movie. They are all dorky. Friday the 13th just seeme to be the most over the top when creating characters, which is why most of their characters are more memorable. Who can forget Ned's indian dance (Friday 1) or Jimmy's dance (Friday 4) or "Holy Jesus God Damn! Holy Jesus Jumping Christmas Shit!" (Friday 4). Thoes are the kind of things that make Friday the 13th characters more memorable then most (but not all) Halloween characters.

[Violent VictiM]

I want to say when Jamie sees Michael outside that it's a hallucination as he probably would have just rolled up into the hospital and did her in. However, in Halloween 4, Michael was led to Jamie through Rachael, so maybe he figured that following Tina would lead him to Jamie. It was Halloween, why wouldn't they be out trick-or-treating?

[Chex]

Well, what is wrong with Michael forgetting about the family for a little while and just being the pure and evil boogeyman that he was in the original? That is what made the original work so well to begin with. Plus in Hallo-5, he was after Jamie the whole time.

Like you just said, he was after Jamie the entire time so venturing off to kill some filler kids is pointless. It would be different if there was a reason behind it such as finding out where Jamie's at (which he already appeared to know), or if it was setting up a trap for her. Something.

Friday the 13th just seeme to be the most over the top when creating characters, which is why most of their characters are more memorable.

Friday the 13th characters don't seem all that memorable when I compare them to other slasher characters. There's a few standouts like there would be in any long running series, but I wouldn't be surprised if I'm giving benefit of the doubt to some of those simply because I've seen the movies enough times. To the general public, they're just "those drunk horny teens" so they must not be making too much of a unique movement.

I know you also said 'compared to the Halloween characters', but my above portion goes along with it. Of course, I feel the same way about the Halloween characters as well with only a few of them being standout or memorable and those are primarily your main cast members.

However, in Halloween 4, Michael was led to Jamie through Rachael, so maybe he figured that following Tina would lead him to Jamie. It was Halloween, why wouldn't they be out trick-or-treating?

He knew exactly where she was since at one point, he was hanging outside the building if I recall. I can't remember any reason why it would be a simple hallucination since the rest of the movie decides not to play with that notion. I'm wanting to say that I also thought that was when he followed Rachel back home. There was something else as well, but I can't remember and I'd have to watch the movie again. Someone pay me some money to do so and I will. Otherwise, I'd be happier keeping that little part of my soul.

[Violent VictiM]

She had hallucinations in Part 4 of Michael being under the bed, and then on the other side of the door when she opened it to flee from him. That was also the only scene in that movie, so maybe this one had one as well. It could possibly signify that she knows Uncle Mike is coming for her.

This also leads me to wonder why she didn't have the same telepathic link in The Curse. She could have easily realized Michael was on his way into the bust station and fled the scene way quicker than she did.

[Chex]

She had hallucinations in Part 4 of Michael being under the bed, and then on the other side of the door when she opened it to flee from him. That was also the only scene in that movie, so maybe this one had one as well. It could possibly signify that she knows Uncle Mike is coming for her.

I'm trying to recall though if it showed Mikey tailing Rachel from that place because if so, then it wouldn't be a hallucination. There was some other example that went against it being that as well, but I'll be darned if I can remember. I blame this all on Thorn.

About the link, the connection between him and Jamie never really made that much sense. Like you described in part 4, why didn't that happen at other times to help her out? Then again, may as well ask why nobody saw him standing right next to them after Jamie ran into the mirror in the department store since he's close enough to look down at the broken glass.

The link's hallucination purpose generally seems to be (even if it was a hallucination in part 5) to tell Jamie Mikey's coming to her neighborhood, so to speak. Other than that, it doesn't seem to crop up other than the telepathic bond they somewhat shared which seemed to vanish by part 6.

Also, where's my cereal called Thornios? Just take that generic cereal from the late 80's/early 90's similar to the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles or Nintendo cereal and replace that stuff with rice thorn symbols, marshmallow pumpkins, and man in black hats. Dynamite seller.

[4BarrelHemi]

I'll take some Thornio's please!!

Another issue I have with the theory he needed Tina to find Jamie is this........Why would he need Tina who is nothing but a friend of the family instead of just following Rachael who is Jamie's stepsister and more connected than Tina ever was.

Heck he could have just found Loomis and followed him around. I'm pretty confident however Michael knew where Jamie was the entire time and it blows my mind why he took a HUGE detour for no apparent reason.

[JVM]

I know this is going to sound stupid but even though the Shape is pure evil and Thorn causes him to go after his family, this may sound stupid but I do imagine Michael decided to sidetrack. I know this sounds like a joke but perhaps the Shape simply got a bit bored and went off to kill someone else for a bit. I know most people imagine the Shape as someone who goes after his one kill and won't stop until they are DEAD, but the Shape is still at least a bit human, and people get bored of doing one thing for a while, and sometimes they sidetrack. Why not the Shape doing so?

[The New Blood]

I know this is going to sound stupid but even though the Shape is pure evil and Thorn causes him to go after his family, this may sound stupid but I do imagine Michael decided to sidetrack. I know this sounds like a joke but perhaps the Shape simply got a bit bored and went off to kill someone else for a bit. I know most people imagine the Shape as someone who goes after his one kill and won't stop until they are DEAD, but the Shape is still at least a bit human, and people get bored of doing one thing for a while, and sometimes they sidetrack. Why not the Shape doing so?

It doesn't sound stupid to me. I think Michael would definitely go and kill a few extra people just for his own personal pleasure/entertainment.

[The Dream Master]

I know this is going to sound stupid but even though the Shape is pure evil and Thorn causes him to go after his family...

http://oh-the-horror.com/datas/users/4-steve_minerlolz.jpg

[Chex]

I know this is going to sound stupid but even though the Shape is pure evil and Thorn causes him to go after his family, this may sound stupid but I do imagine Michael decided to sidetrack. I know this sounds like a joke but perhaps the Shape simply got a bit bored and went off to kill someone else for a bit. I know most people imagine the Shape as someone who goes after his one kill and won't stop until they are DEAD, but the Shape is still at least a bit human, and people get bored of doing one thing for a while, and sometimes they sidetrack. Why not the Shape doing so?
Because he hadn't killed just for giggles yet and that his kills at least had a purpose:

Getting Laurie alone and possibly to come over and to him in Halloween.

Killing the folks at the hospital to make sure there's less resistance when confronting Laurie.

Killing the people who were in his way and those that could help Jamie.

Halloween V comes along and he just kills folks for no reason. They wouldn't have been back to Jamie's place and out of them, only Tina would have at the most.

So yes, I consider it terrible writing and out of character for him. If he had done so in Halloween IV where he found out where Jamie was and decided he'd stroll on down to the car wash to kill random folk, then I'd say it was Halloween IV which changed his character and performed needless filler. Hopefully they wouldn't take 75 minutes of the running time though.

To me, something's wrong if Halloween: Resurrection has more focus than another film. While Mike's character seemed a bit out of place at times, at least he didn't venture off to kill random people. That's the worse insult there is. "Resurrection had more focus!". :p

[Ron]

Dr.Wynn must have done it/had it done at Smithsgrove..

[The One and Only]

This flick is a bit of a let down from the phenominal fourth entry to the series. From the flick's director's haphazard use of two returning characters from the previous entry, Rachel and Ben Meeker. Rachel's death early on, and the criminal underuse of thetough as nails Sheriff Meeker. I'd think that he'd play a bit more of a role in the flick wanting to get back at Myers for the death of his daughter. Which was only touched on briefly early on in Loomis' meeting with the Sheriff. I'd honestly wouldn't mind a scene where Meeker would've been thinking about it,especially with it being the one year anniversary of Kelly's death. Neat little factoid. In an early draft of the script for Halloween 5, Meeker was supposed to survive the Man In Black's raid:chuck: on the police station. Or be outside during it, and be the one crying "No !" just before the end credits rolled upon finding the emptied cell of Myers. Would've been interesting to see Ben Meeker taking up the roll left open by Loomis after his stroke as Myer's pursuer.

One thing that really gets to you watching this flick is with Jamie. one can't help but feel such a sense of isolation. Jaimie, unlike the last flick is basically left fending for herself. The only one who believes in the Shape's return(although watching the flick, with the constant police presence in the clinic, and all the cops in town, you'd think it was expected) is the ranting ,over the edge Dr. Loomis. Who tell the truth, scared even me a little in the flick. Rachel, the one who protected her in the previous film leaves her ,and her adopted parents also seemingly abandon her as well, of all days. Then she has to rely on Billy to gt to the Tower Farm in an attempt to save Tina, only to have Billy injured, and Tina killed trying to save her. Then probaly the most heart wrentching scene in a horror flick ever, was Jamie finding Rachel's body in the attic, and the look on her face upon realizing she's gone forever.:(

There is a lot going against this flick, but still a lot of good. While not anywhere near perfect as the previous entry was. This was a pretty good film despite soem glaring flaws. And if you want to gripe about the one that ruined the the franchise. I have to go with H2O for that honor.:ballshot:

[El Rooto]

After rewatching 4 and 5, I don't know how I feel about either of them.

The only new character I gave a damn about in either film was Jamie. Everybody else could go to Hell.

One of the most amusing things about 5, in my opinion, is thinking about how Loomis is more frightening than Michael here...I think he spends more of the movie scaring the bejesus out of Jamie rather than hunting the Shape.

On a final note, I remember when I first saw 5 on TV, watched the hermit keep Michael in his humble home, and upon seeing he was there for an entire year, I just sorta coughed, "bullshit". It makes me chuckle.

[Scarecrow]

The hermit thing has always been insane. But Loomis was well doen in thin, I think, at hs most insane but works well with Part 6 following it, showing Loomis recover and realise what he'd got like.


- Scarecrow

[Violent VictiM]

One of the most amusing things about 5, in my opinion, is thinking about how Loomis is more frightening than Michael here...I think he spends more of the movie scaring the bejesus out of Jamie rather than hunting the Shape.



He just got really bored with picking on someone his own size.

[Creighton Duke]

Michael escaping the mineshaft into a river that conveniently leads him to a hermit's shack where he lies unconscious for a year is just one example of the piss poor writing that comes from rushing this film into production. :p

Taking Halloween 6 into account, it kind of makes sense. Perhaps the thorn constellation, which summons Michael, disappeared and Michael was powerless as a result. When it reappeared in 1989, he regained his strength and returned to Haddonfield to fulfil his obligations to thorn.

[Rich]

The only new character I gave a damn about in either film was Jamie. Everybody else could go to Hell.

You mean, you really did not care about Raciel? I thought she was a sweet and careing character, and I honestly found it sadening when Michael got her in Part 5. Dr. Loomis was also an awesome character as usual.

The hermit thing has always been insane.

I liked the hermit scenes because it actually links Michael's powers with the day of Halloween which sets up nicely for the story of The Curse.

[Hypnocil]

You mean, you really did not care about Raciel? I thought she was a sweet and careing character, and I honestly found it sadening when Michael got her in Part 5. Dr. Loomis was also an awesome character as usual.

You can physically see the movie start to get bad mere seconds after Rachel is killed. Ellie Cornell's mere presence till the end of the film would have elevated that movie a lot. As it stands, Rachel had piss-poor sensibility when it came to choosing friends.

[Rich]

Tina ws annoying as hell, but that does not make her a bad person. She seemed like a good friend, despite not being able to shut up for one second.

[nottidelterrore]

I agree with Rich.

I could not stand Tina one bit & actually wanted her to get offed because she was getting on my last nerve. Other than the annoyingness, she seemed like she was a good person who deeply cared for those close to her.

I was really sad to see Rachel die. I loved her in Halloween 4 & thought she was a strong character.

[Hypnocil]

Well...yeah...I guess Tina cared about Rachel and Jamie. Not when it mattered.

Eh...like that scene where Jamie is trying to convince Tina to stay at the Clinic. Now, I don't know how Tina can explain away Jamie telepathically finding her at a convenient store, but she either doesn't care...or doesn't believe Jamie when she warns her of danger.

Then you have Tina, Samantha and Spitz playing that very gross Michael Myers joke on the cops.

Okay...first of all...Michael killed a SHITLOAD of cops in part 4.

Second...Michael killed several of their classmates last year.

Third...Michael has killed dozens in Haddonfield, on Halloween.

Fourth...Michael tried murdering Rachel and Jamie...the two beloved friends of theirs.

Dominique Othenin Girard really captured the essense of American teenagers with this one.

[Spook]

You know, I actually like Halloween 5. I don't see why it gets so much flack. The only thing I didn't like about it was the introduction of The Man in Black. It's because of this little addition that we got Thorn. I mean, I also really like Halloween 6, but so many people hate the Thorn aspect. Oh well, this film proudly sits between Halloween 4 and 6 on my shelf. The only one I don't own is Resurrection (what a complete shitfest).

[El Rooto]

You mean, you really did not care about Raciel? I thought she was a sweet and careing character, and I honestly found it sadening when Michael got her in Part 5. Dr. Loomis was also an awesome character as usual. No, I didn't. I don't understand why she has fans. I guess she's admirable for protecting Jamie and all but I wasn't particularly bothered when she got offed.

As for Loomis, he's so fucking crazy in this one...I liked him fine in 4 but was flabbergasted every time he appeared in 5. I guess it makes sense for him to be so over the edge, but damn...

I liked the hermit scenes because it actually links Michael's powers with the day of Halloween which sets up nicely for the story of The Curse.
Which was pretty inane for the most part. I don't know if I prefer Curse to 5 or not.

This isn't the bottom of the barrel for me...its badness has been exaggerated, methinks, but it's still not particularly good and it seems nobody behind this one had a fucking clue what they were doing...probably because they didn't.

[Scarecrow]

Has the worst cast of teens of the whole series which otherwise avoids the lame party-goign cliches for the most part.


- Scarecrow

[sCabbOy]

This movie has the worst of everything... as if you think it couldn't get worse there's H6.

[Hypnocil]

Well, say what you will about Thorn...at least H6's characters had average Halloween-level I.Q.'s. The real exception would be John Strode...but he was a drunk.

[sooners4life98]

5 was not bad. IMO. and it was not the best. IMO. and H6 did stink up the place.

[SlasherFreak]

You know, I actually like Halloween 5. I don't see why it gets so much flack. The only thing I didn't like about it was the introduction of The Man in Black. It's because of this little addition that we got Thorn. I mean, I also really like Halloween 6, but so many people hate the Thorn aspect. Oh well, this film proudly sits between Halloween 4 and 6 on my shelf. The only one I don't own is Resurrection (what a complete shitfest).

You know what...I agree...minus a few scenes here and there, H5 is the shizzle.

Take out the hermit and just have michael survive that night, and (although i do not mind the thorn storyline) take out the man in black and thorn, you have a pretty good slasher

[Violent VictiM]

This movie has the worst of everything... as if you think it couldn't get worse there's H6.

Paul Rudd is the man and if you ever say anything bad about another one of his films I will fly to Buffalo and put the smack down on your candy ass!

He is a saint.

[Ron]

I like Paul Rudd as much as the next guy, but his role in H6 doesn't save it from being shitty. Producers cut or theatrical it doesn't matter. I, even if in the minority, find H5 to be far more entertaining.

[Scarecrow]

Producer's Cut isn't just a great Halloween film, it's a favourite horror film of mine in general. It has what I love, ancient supernatural focres, conspiracies, cults, slightly insane main characters, a well developed storyline, a central unstoppable force and is very well paced. Halloween 5 has for me, a lot of the worts of horror, stupid teen slashers, over the top gore for gores sake, no sense of pacing, comedy characters (clown cops, bleh). Better than the T-Cut though.


- Scarecrow

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

Producer's Cut isn't just a great Halloween film, it's a favourite horror film of mine in general. It has what I love, ancient supernatural focres, conspiracies, cults, slightly insane main characters, a well developed storyline, a central unstoppable force and is very well paced.

Those are the exact same reasons as to why I love the H6 producers cut.

[Ron]

At the risk of sounding shallow, the reasons that Scarecrow hates H5 also happen to be the reasons that I love it.

[Hypnocil]

I don't hate Halloween 5. I wish I liked it as much as part 4. It seems like I should...it has the exact same filming locations from 4, and all the survivors from part 4 return. They all just take such a bizarre turn for the worse. Like, Rachel running around in a towel, alone, on Halloween. She even walks backwards at one moment. Dr. Loomis and Jamie's relationship was kind of bad. He risked his life how many times trying to protect her and her mother...why is Jamie so afraid of him? Why was Dr. Loomis acting like such an asshole throughout the movie? Meeker was underused, but his character transitioned best from 4 to 5.

Then there's the Myers Gothic Mansion. Gotta love that.

Halloween 5 does have some great aspects to it. The cinemaphotography is awesome. The daytime colors are bright and vivid...the nighttime is dark and brooding (and orange). I think the movie succeeds in capturing an overall Halloween (the holiday) presence in the movie, which is great. The music is mostly good, too. I've somehow developed a tolerance for "Romeo, Romeo" by Becca. Whoever that chick was she got her five seconds of fame with this flick.

[Rich]

I wish I liked it as much as part 4.

I'm with you on that one. I think Hallo-4 is the best sequel to Halloween.

They all just take such a bizarre turn for the worse. Like, Rachel running around in a towel

I didn't find that bizarre at all. I actually found that sexy, because I thought she was hot as hell in that movie.

Dr. Loomis and Jamie's relationship was kind of bad. He risked his life how many times trying to protect her and her mother...why is Jamie so afraid of him?

I think Jamie, on some level, did not want to see Michael die because he was still her uncle after all. At the scene when Michael took the mask off for her and saw him crying is when she really started to feel bad for him as much as she still feared him.

Why was Dr. Loomis acting like such an asshole throughout the movie

I don't think he was an asshole in it. He was struggling for cooperation. He could have just left Haddonfield and allowed Michael to tear a bloody rampage through the town, but instead he decided to stay with his own life at risk to try to stop Michael...and what did he get for it? A little girl who knew Michael's whereabouts but refused to help, a ninteen year old girl named Tina who would not listen to a word he said, a police sheriff who did not want to hear his warnings despite what happened a year ago, and nurses busting his balls to leave Jamie alone even though Jamie was protecting Michael. Loomis busted his ass to save lives, but got nothing but his chops busted by everyone, so one can imagion his frustration. He must have been thinking, "well, these people know who I am and know who Michael is and if they WANT to die, then let them, I'm outa here." He did not do that though, he stayed and just put up with everyone's bullsh*t so I can see where his attitude in that film was coming from.

[Hypnocil]

I didn't find that bizarre at all. I actually found that sexy, because I thought she was hot as hell in that movie.
:p Well, it's hard to believe after the events of part 4, where Rachel is shown to be an incredibly smart and resourceful girl...that she could suddenly be so stupid. Not Ellie's fault...she hated the script. Aside from Rachel walking backwards, you also have her death sequence.

Rachel had a scare when Jamie and Loomis warn her Michael is in the house. So already her defenses should have been up, despite what the clown cops told her. She walks down the hall, and sees Max outside, CLEARLY barking towards the window of the room right next to her. Then, suddenly, she hears glass break in the room.

....duh....

You can even see on her face that she knows someone's in the room...yet she treks in there anyways, and bends over a broken and bloody photograph of Jamie.:duh:

Such an embarrasing ending for one of Halloween's smartest heroines.

I think Jamie, on some level, did not want to see Michael die because he was still her uncle after all. At the scene when Michael took the mask off for her and saw him crying is when she really started to feel bad for him as much as she still feared him.

Well then, that's bad characterization for Jamie. Even at the age of nine, I'm pretty sure I would have been more pro-active than she was. Most sane people would. She saw Earl's face get ripped off...

I guess Girard felt this Jamie storyline was needed because he didn't want to carry on with 4's ending. In the commentary, he said "What else could Jamie tell Loomis?" Hmmm, what could she tell Dr. Loomis, Dominique Othenin-Girard? Perhaps she could have scrawled on a paper 'He's back...please drive me out of this town right away!

I don't think he was an asshole in it. He was struggling for cooperation. He could have just left Haddonfield and allowed Michael to tear a bloody rampage through the town, but instead he decided to stay with his own life at risk to try to stop Michael...and what did he get for it? A little girl who knew Michael's whereabouts but refused to help, a ninteen year old girl named Tina who would not listen to a word he said, a police sheriff who did not want to hear his warnings despite what happened a year ago, and nurses busting his balls to leave Jamie alone even though Jamie was protecting Michael. Loomis busted his ass to save lives, but got nothing but his chops busted by everyone, so one can imagion his frustration. He must have been thinking, "well, these people know who I am and know who Michael is and if they WANT to die, then let them, I'm outa here." He did not do that though, he stayed and just put up with everyone's bullsh*t so I can see where his attitude in that film was coming from.

Good point! I have to admit, if anyone had the right to be annoyed in that movie, it was Loomis. Donald P. probably didn't need to reach far for inspiration, since his views on the H5 script are well known.

[Creighton Duke]

:p Well, it's hard to believe after the events of part 4, where Rachel is shown to be an incredibly smart and resourceful girl...that she could suddenly be so stupid. Not Ellie's fault...she hated the script. Aside from Rachel walking backwards, you also have her death sequence.

Rachel had a scare when Jamie and Loomis warn her Michael is in the house. So already her defenses should have been up, despite what the clown cops told her. She walks down the hall, and sees Max outside, CLEARLY barking towards the window of the room right next to her. Then, suddenly, she hears glass break in the room.

....duh....

You can even see on her face that she knows someone's in the room...yet she treks in there anyways, and bends over a broken and bloody photograph of Jamie.:duh:

Such an embarrasing ending for one of Halloween's smartest heroines.

Yes, I agree. Rachel dropped many I.Q. points between Halloweens 4 and 5. Rachel, as we knew her in Halloween 4, wouldn't have been dancing around the house in a towel, and she'd have been on the alert as soon as she received that phone call from Dr. Loomis, even when the clown cops told her the house was clear, especially considering what happened to her only a year ago. She would have been out the door as soon as she heard the noise coming from Jamie's room as well...but instead she goes to investigate.

Jamie got a similar treatment in the following installment. At the ages of 7 and 9, she successfully evades Michael, but in Halloween 6 she fails to do so. She also had a car and a major head start. Then, when she's knocked off road by Michael, she decides to take refuge in a barn. Stupid move. Jamie from Halloweens 4 and 5 would have been smarter than that, and she would have kept on running. The Halloween franchise seems to have a history of dumbing down and killing off it's best heroines.

[DedKid]

Sorry if someone posted this already, but I came across this a few weeks ago:

http://robzombieshalloween.net/scripts/Halloween5.pdf

It's a scanned copy of a draft dated March 31, 1989, and there are some pretty considerable differences between it & the film. Rachel being smarter isn't one of them though & Tina is just as annoying. There's more going on with the guy that takes Michael in at the opening (it's a different character), Billy (the kid with the crush on Jamie) has an action scene, there's a scene in the cemetery after Michael dug up that coffin (presumably an homage to H1), and the climax in the Myers house is different.

[Scarecrow]

Interesting. Will certainly read this over soon as I get time!


- Scarecrow

[Rich]

I would have liked to actually have seen Michael dig up a coffin. I wonder if he just left the body in the hole and took the box. That part was just suggested by Loomis in the film, but it is a creepy "horror" moment that could have been shown.

[nottidelterrore]

Last night, I had a dream that Dominique Othenin-Girard was really Rob Zombie in disguise. I don't know why because I don't mind Halloween 5 at all. Maybe it's the hair & beard.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c332/albadeimorti/697f333f.jpg

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[Brett H.]

That's kind of pretty much completely awesome.

I don't mind H5 either, if only because the mask isn't shitty like in 4. A few lapses in good judgment never hurt anyone, right? Hell, Rob Zombie made a whole movie based on similar principles!

[nottidelterrore]

The mask is kinda "meh" to me. I don't mind it, just like the mask in Halloween 4. The Myers house cracks me up. It transformed into some kind of gothic mansion in the years it was unoccupied.

One of the bumbling police officers, Deputy Nick, played Coach Rizzo in the episode of Saved By the Bell where Slater's lizard "Artie" died.

[Brett H.]

Ohhhhhhhhh, Artie boyyyyyyyyyyyyyy...

I hope I get to meet him in the big chameleon banquet in the sky.

[nottidelterrore]

I grabbed this off Wikipedia so I don't know how true it could be or not. Just thought it was interesting.

The official website for the franchise, www.halloweenmovies.com, features a map of Haddonfield which indicates that the hermit seen in the prologue may be another living relative of Michael Myers. His home was located on the outskirts of town along the Lost River.

I looked for the Haddonfield map on the site but couldn't find anything.

[Hypnocil]

Sorry if someone posted this already, but I came across this a few weeks ago:

http://robzombieshalloween.net/scripts/Halloween5.pdf

It's a scanned copy of a draft dated March 31, 1989, and there are some pretty considerable differences between it & the film. Rachel being smarter isn't one of them though & Tina is just as annoying. There's more going on with the guy that takes Michael in at the opening (it's a different character), Billy (the kid with the crush on Jamie) has an action scene, there's a scene in the cemetery after Michael dug up that coffin (presumably an homage to H1), and the climax in the Myers house is different.

Dedkid, this is an AWESOME find! I've read later drafts of the script, but I've always wanted to see this infamous draft. The whole beginning is tweaked so differently. The scene between Loomis and Rachel in front of the clinic has them saying completely different lines (and dare I say even better lines?)

Oh my God...thankfully they removed Rachel's final sentence from the movie. When she goes into Jamie's room and sees the photograph on the floor, broken, what does she say? "The cops probably knocked it off the shelf..." :lmao: Yes Rachel, the cops knocked it off the shelf a half hour ago...you're just hearing the shattering glass now because of a....time warp?

[Rich]

Yes, I agree. Rachel dropped many I.Q. points between Halloweens 4 and 5.

I don't know. When a cop searches your house and tells you it's safe, you typically believe them and go about your business. She also saw Michael get blown to hell, and I'm sure she didn't know he was still alive at the end of that.

[Hypnocil]

We're talking about a serial killer. Since no body, or traces of a body were ever recovered, I'd say Rachel should have been on her toes if she valued her life. The events of Halloween 4 taught Rachel that Michael will go to the Corruthers house first to find Jamie, and that Michael would definately view Rachel as a primary threat to his goal. Oh, and it's Halloween...the one day of the year Michael has been known to kill. Suddenly, she has Dr. Loomis calling...and somebody more than likely opened that door...perhaps the same person that was making the family GUARD DOG bark like crazy?

Really, Rachel doesn't act at all like a survivor should, especially one that saw as much as Rachel did. She saw a man's face get ripped off right in front of her. That weathered, shell of a woman we saw at the very end of Halloween 4 somehow managed to bounce back a mere year later, and aside from basically "not wanting to die" she puts very little effort into actual survival. I used to joke Rachel had a total frontal lobotomy to help cope with her depression...but really it's Girard that's missing brain matter.

[Rich]

She probably figured that after a year went by and nothing else happened, it was over. You have a good point about the no body ever being found though. I think she just tried to get on with her life and wanted to forget about that horrible Halloween night, which is understandable.

[Joe Karlosi]

Worst of the series, Including Part 6 (I liked the Producer's Cut)

[Lance Lives]

I have a soft spot for part 5 and I think that the fact that a lot of the stuff is held over from the excellent part 4 makes it easier to like, but it's still a huge downgrade. Also, I'm not ashamed to say, that I thought the presence of the man in black was awesome back in the day, and I still think it was a wasted concept.

[Ron]

I'm just glad that the "Man in Black" didn't end up being Michael's long lost twin...

[Rich]

Halloween 5 did have some exciting chase scenes such as the scene where he tried to run characters over in the car and the laundry shoot scene. Say what you want about the Myers House in H5, but they had some fun scenes inside of it in this film even if it looked nothing like the original house on the outside.

I also like how H5 had characters that came back from H4. Honestly, I wish the Friday the 13th series had more films where characters came back other then just Tommy Jarvis. I like to see characters come back.

[Ron]

Yeah, and every single Friday film that had the character of Tommy Jarvis had another damn actor playing him!

[Rich]

My favorite Tommy Jarvis was always Thom Mathews. As far as Hallo-5, I agree that the Man in Black being a long lost twin would have been horrible. I am one of the few who actually like the story line of Hallo-6.

[Jus-X]

Yes, I agree. Rachel dropped many I.Q. points between Halloweens 4 and 5. Rachel, as we knew her in Halloween 4, wouldn't have been dancing around the house in a towel, and she'd have been on the alert as soon as she received that phone call from Dr. Loomis, even when the clown cops told her the house was clear, especially considering what happened to her only a year ago. She would have been out the door as soon as she heard the noise coming from Jamie's room as well...but instead she goes to investigate.

Jamie got a similar treatment in the following installment. At the ages of 7 and 9, she successfully evades Michael, but in Halloween 6 she fails to do so. She also had a car and a major head start. Then, when she's knocked off road by Michael, she decides to take refuge in a barn. Stupid move. Jamie from Halloweens 4 and 5 would have been smarter than that, and she would have kept on running. The Halloween franchise seems to have a history of dumbing down and killing off it's best heroines.

The facts are the Ellie Cornell didn't think her character should live that long in the movie. They wanted her through the whole film but she said she would only reprise her role if she got to die. So that's the way they wrote her character per her request.
The mask is kinda "meh" to me. I don't mind it, just like the mask in Halloween 4. The Myers house cracks me up. It transformed into some kind of gothic mansion in the years it was unoccupied.

One of the bumbling police officers, Deputy Nick, played Coach Rizzo in the episode of Saved By the Bell where Slater's lizard "Artie" died.

I loved the mask, but wish Michael's eyes were not blacked out, I would've liked to have scene them. Alot of focus on this movie was watching Michael struggle with his evil rage... I think seeing his eyes through the mask would've also helped accomplish this.
My favorite Tommy Jarvis was always Thom Mathews. As far as Hallo-5, I agree that the Man in Black being a long lost twin would have been horrible. I am one of the few who actually like the story line of Hallo-6.

It didn't help that the guy playing Tommy in 5 only said 24 words in the whole movie either.

I don't remember if this is correct or not, but I think Don Shanks also played the man in back? If I remember the commentary correctly the man in black was meant to be a mystery. They had no intention of him being Michael's long lost twin. They thought of him being some sort of connection to the Myers family, but they didn't decide who or what he was until they decided in 96 to do a sequel.

[The Tall Man]

Justyn, they didn't just decide to do a sequel in '95. A "Halloween 6" (not "The Curse of Michael Myers", but a sixth entry) was planned to be shot back to back with "Halloween 5", which is why 5 has so many unanswered questions (they were to be immediately followed up on in the next year's 6), but something happened (I've heard "rights issues" at one point) and Akkad was not able to get a sixth Halloween made until 1995.

T.M.

[Jus-X]

Justyn, they didn't just decide to do a sequel in '95. A "Halloween 6" (not "The Curse of Michael Myers", but a sixth entry) was planned to be shot back to back with "Halloween 5", which is why 5 has so many unanswered questions (they were to be immediately followed up on in the next year's 6), but something happened (I've heard "rights issues" at one point) and Akkad was not able to get a sixth Halloween made until 1995.

T.M.

I didn't know the EXACT plan was to film them back to back to back... but I never said they "planned" to release Curse in 95. I just knew the plan originally was to have the Man In Black as some relative to Michael Myers