My history for a final f13 movie explaining all the holes.

[leosouza85]

My idea for a script, is a movie that explain all things in friday the 13th in a reallistic way:
If you see all the movies you can se thats all jasons behind the mask look completely different from each other...
Thats because they are brothers. But why they kill?

Crystal lake was a city with many families, but vorhees family was a little aside...noone likes then... then they discover gold... others familys want their treasure, so they fake jasons drowning and create a mitology arround it and starts to kill every one.

[new - 09/10/2008] The initial plan was not to kill... If Pamela was so angry she will kill since the beggining, but the first atempt to keep the secret was to sabotage the camp in every way, because the gold was discovered first there.
(this is sustained by first friday the 13th)

[new- 09/10/2008] The mine entrance is in Jason's cabin, in part two in the police man, Jason was going to there so he has to kill the officer (film supported), and Elias changes place with the officer in the police station. That officer was a new one, nobody knows him in Cristal Lake. Elias is the kind of person that never shows up. Pamela was his voice in Cristal Lake. So it was easy to him to swap identities. and that was very good for keep the secret. So he can fake the Jason's cremation on part 6. And by fake his ressurection his give to cristal lake the kind of sobrenatural and ghost city status, so less people will visit the city.
He erases the evidences so the FBI just appears in Cristal Lake by the notority of Jason's in New York, what Elias can't fake. That's is what started to screw up the voorhees family plans, but they had to go after the main character from part 8 since she live her young age at Crystal lake and knows something about it.
The knowledge that a ship with her was in town, make a Voorhees son go after her. (Note that the movie doesn't shows Jasons motivation or how he discovered that. So its a blank space that we can work into).

Note: The gold can be anyother thing...a secret that the vorhees family want to keep at any cost. Something that worth it. I used to explain the Jasons teleport by the mine caves. But the teleport can be more than one jason at a time.

So every vorhees family members are killing. repare that the part 3 jason is completely different from part 2, and really die, but in the part 4 another member of the family come for the body and the mask...if you repare jason was in the refrigerator and teleports to kill de legist... theres no way to him to leave the refrigarator in that speed and without noise...so his brother was hidden there.

part 5 we leave what it was...

part 6 the beggining can be a allucination of tommy and his obssession, and then the vorhees members uses tommy history in the police station to ressurect the legend, creating a zombie jason... the zombie jason dont run because the age of the family members that is not too young now. the explanation for his strenght is the genetic malformation of the pamela's and elia's children. The members now uses make up to appear like a mummy or a zombie, and to prevent the past errors they now use bullet prof jacket and medicines to not feel the pain (the medicines for the pain can be another explanation for why jasons do not run.... now he can takes the pain, what he cant in past movies but the drugs slows down him)
Note that the impossible kill by jason taking the heart of the tommy's friend was a allucinantion from tommy, it was the same time that he thinks he ressurected jason.

The jasons teleport (jason walks then appears right in front of you) is the caves of the gold that the vorhees found.he simply go above the ground and shortcut by there.

part 7 can be the point of view of the main character, she is more powerfull than freddy krueguer in freddy vs jasons, its like the jeans grey phoenix in x-men 3, so she is maybe a schizofrenic character that think she has super powers, and she starts to see thing when Jasons starts a new attack.

part 8 ressurection can be a dream of the main character...a premonition like she has in all the movie. Just before the vorhees family starts a new attack to the people who visite cristal lake.
Thats why "jason" takes manhattan... because they don't want the risk of someone who visit crystal lake be alive.
The "jason" of part 8 is dead, but the police never found the body.
And the toxic waste have cleaned the zombie jasons make up and what rest is a normal human...(with deformed face but its not appear in the movie...) this part supports my theory... a non zombie jason with zombie jasons fantasy.
So the rumors of new deaths make the fbi go to cristal lake seek for jason... because the notority of new york.

Jason goes to hell can be a metaphoric way to explain that the gold (the little devil in the heart) make every body who knows, about it starts to kill...but "jason" mission now is to kill thats fakes jason and the things be controlled by vorhees family again.
So the history of JGTH can be a fake history created by the voorhes, creating another mitology arround a devil to explain why a lot of killers sudden appears in cristal lake.
So this movie can be a point of view of someone who listened this history and not the real facts by itself.

Jason x is a member captured and etc.

Freddy vs jason the same... a family member...

Pamela was freaking hot... so elias do a lot of sons.
So the movie starts with all main character from the zombie jason movies giving the testimonial to a investigator... thats when we discover that the movies show what they remember and imagine because of the mitology... its a way to explain zombie jason without ignore that movies.

So after all that flashback explaining the past history, my film begins.
A kitchen, the camera is focusing in a normal mans hand, washing the things after the dinner...
So in the road we can hear a sound of a car then the camera is goin up and we see the face of a deformed guy(the same from the normal hands), there are more 2 guys in the house, one deformed too and a normal old guy... the normal old guy says go... and the man that was doing the deashes starts to prepare him self... clothes.... machete and... the mask!
Its the remanecent of vorhees family...the normal old guy is Elias...and his two sons that are alive...
so that one start to kill and proceed a normal friday the 13th movie... in 80% of the movie this jason dies... and the another takes place... so its get captured by the police and that jason reveals to be the jason captured from jason x...

Elias still alive and because he is normal he is the guy who infiltrate and take out the chains of jason in jason x, this is how jasons magically escapes in jason x... because i hate the teleport thing!
:shy::shy::shy:

Its my history lol...anybody likes it?

Sorry by the english, its not my first language.
If someone want to correct the grammatical errors send-me by pm and I update the first post with credits for who corrected the text!

[Chex]

Best damn post ever made. Seriously.

[sCabbOy]

A little far fetched and really... I dunno, it's just too out there for me.

[JVM]

Meh, I'm fine with the continuity as-is. Neat theory though, although I think p2-p4 can still remain the same Jason...And p8 doesn't exist, period. JGTH erased it.

Pamela was freaking hot... so elias do a lot of sons.
This quote is made of win. :D Hahaha

[The Dream Master]

And p8 doesn't exist, period. JGTH erased it.

It did? :confused:

[Skye]

And p8 doesn't exist, period. JGTH erased it.

It did? :confused:

I'm with you, DM. I don't understand how JGTH invalidates JTM.

And this storyline kind of reminds me of Wrong Turn.

[JVM]

I believe it was stated by the writers that they were told to ignore JTM.

[The Dream Master]

Maybe, but the effects crew did Jason's makeup to reflect the toxic waste bath he took at the end of JTM. Plus, either Marcus or Lorey (I always forget which one) claimed it was a sequel that ignored everything after part 2, but that's obviously nonsense, so it's not like you can always take what these people say at face value.

[leosouza85]

I believe it was stated by the writers that they were told to ignore JTM.

My deal is just to explain all the movies without exception in a way thats all possible... I dont want to invalidate any of the films... (i hate jason x and jght but i want to make a history that make this movies cool too...) :D:D

[Chex]

My deal is just to explain all the movies without exception in a way thats all possible...

This is where I'd step in and say you haven't and your method involves making things up that weren't even hinted at in the least, ignoring scenes that we see, it even tells us to scenes because "they're all crazy", wanting to actually retcon and change history just so a new film could continue on with this idea, and to top it off this is all because folks are after the Voorhees gold.

However, your opening post transcends any old possible "theory" that's full of holes into a work of pure art. It's one of the greatest things that I have ever read. So basically, I'm a fan of it. :)

[leosouza85]

This is where I'd step in and say you haven't and your method involves making things up that weren't even hinted at in the least, ignoring scenes that we see, it even tells us to scenes because "they're all crazy", wanting to actually retcon and change history just so a new film could continue on with this idea, and to top it off this is all because folks are after the Voorhees gold.

However, your opening post transcends any old possible "theory" that's full of holes into a work of pure art. It's one of the greatest things that I have ever read. So basically, I'm a fan of it. :)

The idea of the gold can be changed, it can be anything else...like a secret that the voorhees want to keep...i used gold only to have gold mines and explain the damn jasons teleport! lol

But the Teleport can be explained without the gold....just by more than one jason at same time!

And I will work more on the allucination and crazy people part!
I think the only way to explain Jason goes to hell is in somewhat that way... because a devil in the heart and after him goes to hell hes come back is not funny...

Basicaly the narration of all the zombie jasons movies can be a vision of the main character narration... in the flashbacks we can use it...the main character of the movie remembering the things in the way that he saw... And the way is just the film... But we explain the back stage of the atacks in a way that not invalidate what we saw!

sorry by the english again...i need to learn this!

[SaturdayThe14th]

this story has kind of a scooby doo-ish background to it.. isnt this what happens in most scooby doo episodes, some guy discovers something he wants to keep a secret for the time being so he creates a sort of "ghost story" to scare away the town folk.

[sCabbOy]

I'd just stay with what we have. We have very little holes right now, or at least nothing that really changes much.

[Chex]

We have very little holes right now, or at least nothing that really changes much.

Continuity and the timeline for the Friday the 13th series is terrible. It couldn't even get past the first sequel without creating a paradox (ie. Jason didn't die so Pamela wouldn't have been crazy to the point of performing her actions which means she wouldn't have been decapitated which then means no crazy Jason killing folk) thanks to a retcon in the story which is later taken away in part six which is then made all the more confusing with Jason goes to a dimension with demon hands.

Still adding in more retcons in the form of miner's gold and numerous offspring which contradicts what we see, we're told, and the fact it makes everything more convoluted is something that even Steve Miner wouldn't dare do.

Steve Miner: Time Changer.

[4BarrelHemi]

Continuity and the timeline for the Friday the 13th series is terrible. It couldn't even get past the first sequel without creating a paradox (ie. Jason didn't die so Pamela wouldn't have been crazy to the point of performing her actions which means she wouldn't have been decapitated which then means no crazy Jason killing folk) thanks to a retcon in the story which is later taken away in part six which is then made all the more confusing with Jason goes to a dimension with demon hands.

Still adding in more retcons in the form of miner's gold and numerous offspring which contradicts what we see, we're told, and the fact it makes everything more convoluted is something that even Steve Miner wouldn't dare do.

Steve Miner: Time Changer.

I gotta agree the continuity in the series is pretty bad and really makes no sense like Chex pointed out.

That being said I personally would rather stick with whatever history we currently have over this theory though just my opinion.

[Brett H.]

Continuity and the timeline for the Friday the 13th series is terrible. It couldn't even get past the first sequel without creating a paradox (ie. Jason didn't die so Pamela wouldn't have been crazy to the point of performing her actions which means she wouldn't have been decapitated which then means no crazy Jason killing folk) thanks to a retcon in the story which is later taken away in part six which is then made all the more confusing with Jason goes to a dimension with demon hands.

Still adding in more retcons in the form of miner's gold and numerous offspring which contradicts what we see, we're told, and the fact it makes everything more convoluted is something that even Steve Miner wouldn't dare do.

Steve Miner: Time Changer.

Chexy baby, why does no one ever reply when you break out tha r33l shit? :p Better watch out, Miner will wipe out your very existence if you keep this up.

[sCabbOy]

Continuity was terrible, but c'mon the movies fit together rather well if you ask me. These movies were never meant to be taken so deeply... so then don't? Part 2 to 3 had a huge continuity error, but those movies fit together regardless (like a glove).

Sorry, I just don't think the holes are important to fill.

[Chex]

Continuity was terrible, but c'mon the movies fit together rather well if you ask me. These movies were never meant to be taken so deeply... so then don't? Part 2 to 3 had a huge continuity error, but those movies fit together regardless (like a glove).

Oh, you can look past it all just fine and enjoy them. I mean, that's what I do. However, I will stand up and say 'no' to anyone who says that the series is great on continuity as that's not close to the truth.


If two films have a huge continuity error, then they don't exactly fit like a glove as that would be seamless. I don't quite understand how you can say one thing yet also project it as another. I will say that it's not as bad as Part 1 and Part 2's transgression though so hey, that's a step up. :)

Better watch out, Miner will wipe out your very existence if you keep this up.
Oh no, I've been retconned!!!!!!!

I wonder how come nobody else has used Miner's time travelling powers? What's that? Nightmare on Elm Street 4-FvJ didn't happen? Steve Miner says they didn't. Karate Kid 3 and 4 didn't happen? Damn straight they didn't.

I'm actually surprised Miner wasn't contacted to direct Return to Sleepaway Camp. I figured his Miner-sense was tingling and he could sense that he had another chance to skip over some films/change the time line of the series.

[4BarrelHemi]

I don't think it's being taken too deeply when the entire point of the first one is Mrs Vorhees enacting revenge on people who stay at the camp because her son drown due to no one keeping an eye on him. I mean you can go as far as saying she was possessed perhaps due to her talking as Jason "Kill her mommy"

Which is all fine and dandy until you get to part two where you find out Jason didn't drown he was living in the woods and somehow Mrs Vorhees didn't ever realize this and thus proving she wasn't possessed because Jason wasn't dead.

Thus creating the huge continuity error and time change.

It actually would have worked better if Jason had been a undead Zombie in part 2 although then you'd have to wonder how he grew up into a full sized adult. :duh:


All in all they are fun to watch just don't ever assume they all make sense they are pieced together by a fine line.

[Chex]

There goes someone else with that damn logic and r33l shit. Boo, get 'em! :p

It actually would have worked better if Jason had been a undead Zombie in part 2 although then you'd have to wonder how he grew up into a full sized adult.
They could have raised Jason from the dead just like Weekend At Bernies. Oh man, that means they still could have got Terry Kiser to be in a film! :D

[4BarrelHemi]

There goes someone else with that damn logic and r33l shit. Boo, get 'em! :p


They could have raised Jason from the dead just like Weekend At Bernies. Oh man, that means they still could have got Terry Kiser to be in a film! :D

I can see Jason being raised from the dead to the beat of some Bob Marley type Reggae music. :sniffle:

[Chex]

I can see Jason being raised from the dead to the beat of some Bob Marley type Reggae music.

Oh, and he could fight Andrew McCarthy as Thomas Jarvis.

[4BarrelHemi]

Oh, and he could fight Andrew McCarthy as Thomas Jarvis.

Maybe we should keep these ideas on the down low remember what happened last time. :shifty:

[sCabbOy]

I alwqays thought Mrs Voorhees was schizophrenic, thus explaining why she was speaking (for) Jason. At any rate, it's a negligible continuity error. It doesn't change much. I see a bigger problem with Jason's pants changing from 3 to 4 than this issue.

[Chex]

Doesn't change much? It creates a paradox in which both events would be negated. Jason drowning and dying are what creates film #1's events. Film #2's Jason creates events due to film #1, but the problem is Jason being alive contradicts Jason drown and dying which was the sole reason for film #1's events to happen in the first and if those didn't, then film #2's events wouldn't have happened......aaaaarrrrrrrgh, mah head exploded!!! :x

You can look past it as you really don't have much of a choice, but to say it's negligible is as incorrect as me saying Jason's a hermaphrodite who kills people by having sex with their ears while singing purple rain.

[leosouza85]

Doesn't change much? It creates a paradox in which both events would be negated. Jason drowning and dying are what creates film #1's events. Film #2's Jason creates events due to film #1, but the problem is Jason being alive contradicts Jason drown and dying which was the sole reason for film #1's events to happen in the first and if those didn't, then film #2's events wouldn't have happened......aaaaarrrrrrrgh, mah head exploded!!! :x

You can look past it as you really don't have much of a choice, but to say it's negligible is as incorrect as me saying Jason's a hermaphrodite who kills people by having sex with their ears while singing purple rain.

I was thinking in change my history again... kill the scoobydoo part... the gold like the guy said...

Jason is dead... the boy really drowned
So Pamela goes crazy and kill a lot...
She died.
So in part 2 the assassin is Elias Vorhees (the most different killer in apearence...and he returns in the last movie, he is very injured but not dead.)
Part 3 we have the brothers and go on with my history from the first post.

What do you think?

[SlasherFreak]

How the fuck did I miss this?

Dude came and dropped all kind of knowledge and science on us and then left.

[The Tall Man]

I'm just sorry we never saved the Hell Roof...

T.M., Esq.

[On a Pale Horse]

I dont know how I missed that one either. This is up there with Jason12 and "no Jason nooooo!". This 'fixing' the plot holes would be like going to the doctors for a scraped knee and getting your leg amputated.

[WestinHillsDays]

sorry by the english again...i need to learn this!

You are doing well; keep up the good work.