Friday the 13th News (UPDATED 11/14/07)

[Just Jeans]

Talk about the proposed remake/reinvention, and your hopes for the future of the Friday the 13th franchise.


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Wednesday, November 14th, 2007
From Bloody-Disgusting: "Exciting news for those of you who are fans of Platinum Dunes and New Line Cinema's Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake, B-D learned exclusively that director Marcus Nispel will also be reviving Jason Voorhees in the Friday the 13th remake from a script by Damian Shannon and Mark Swift!"


From The Hollywood Reporter: "Marcus Nispel is in final negotiations to direct the revamp of "Friday the 13th" for New Line and Paramount/MTV. Platinum Dunes is producing.

Damian Shannon and Mark Swift wrote the script for the redo, which aims to bring back horror icon Jason, the unstoppable hockey mask-wearing killer.

Michael Bay, Andrew Form and Brad Fuller of Platinum Dunes are producing."


From Bloody Disgusting: "The remake being helmed by Marcus Nispel (Texas Chainsaw Massacre) shoots February 11 in Austin, Texas."

Click here (http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/news/10446) to read a casting breakdown.


Tuesday, October 2nd, 2007
From The Hollywood Reporter: "Damian Shannon and Mark Swift have been tapped to write "Friday the 13th," the remake of the horror classic being produced by Platinum Dunes for New Line. The remake ... will focus on Jason -- who will wear the mask and kill -- and keep the famous setting of Crystal Lake."


Wednesday, August 1st, 2007
From Dark Horizons: "Michael Bay's production company Platinum Dunes plans to release a remake of "Friday the 13th" sometime in 2009 reports Variety.

First announced in January 2006, the project fell into development hell as time went on and Platinum Dunes released a series of failed remakes (Hitcher, Amityville) and prequels (TCM: The Beginning).

Many are waiting to see the performance of Rob Zombie's "Halloween" remake to see whether this moves forward or not. Jonathan Liebesman was previously attached to direct the R-Rated horror film which would return to Crystal Lake.

February, March, November will all experience the fateful potential release date throughout that year."


Tuesday, July 31st, 2007
From Bloody-Disgusting: "According to a small blurb in an article on Variety.com, Platinum Dunes is aiming to get their remake of Friday the 13th in theaters by 2009. I personally think this films life depends on how well Rob Zombie's Halloween does at the end of the month, so fingers crossed. No word on whether Jonathan Liebesman is still attached to the project, but we've heard that they're not using Mark Wheaton's story. Watch for the return of Jason Voorhees and his mother in 2009!"

[Utellme]

Is it definetley gonna be a remake ? Or is it gonna be a prequel ? Id rather see a prequel imo.

[The Dream Master]

It's all up in the air at this point. At one time, it was going to be a sort of reboot that was both a remake and a prequel, if I recall correctly.

But, at this point, no one really knows what the hell is going on.

[Just Jeans]

The whole project seems to have gone up in a puff of logic. I'm not sure what the deal is. I've heard that that group who invested in the original film have held things up, and I've heard that New Line decided they weren't happy with the direction Platinum Dunes was heading and exercised their option to take the film out of Platinum Dunes' hands.

There's no official word one way or the other, so far as I'm aware. It's mostly just Chinese whispers.

[Rich]

If Georgetown Productions is still holding onto the original with a tight grip then we can forget a straight remake of the original film, which to me might not be such a bad thing.

It seems to me that New Line does not want Jason to be portrayed like Leatherface was. I think they want to keep him in the phantasy world rather then a more real world.

[DRE]

I'm going with what Fuller and Form of The Dunes said in their last interview in January, that everything has been cleared and they are moving forward with New Line, Paramount and MTV on board. They could simply be in the writing stages now, and Form/Fuller never say anything to the press unless they have a film out, which is why we've not heard from them in seven months.

As I've said before, once Zombie's Halloween makes a killing its first weekend expect to hear more on the Friday remake and many more remakes you don't want.

[Jigsaw]

I honestly wouldn't mind a remake/reboot of the F13 series. I'm still hoping that Lion's Gates/Twisted Pictures will get involved with it instead of Platinum Dunes, LG/TP can give F13/Jason a much better treatment.

[sCabbOy]

Personally, I think the future is FvJ2, which fucking sucks since nothing is going forward with the remake.

[Jigsaw]

I wouldn't mind FVJ2 as long as it's nothing like the original. Making it more of a straightforward film with less of a gimmick and taking the subject more seriously would help it a lot.

[sCabbOy]

Same here, but I doubt it would be nothing but a continuation of the first... pretty much doing NOTHING for either franchise.

[The Dream Master]

Back before the forum crashed, S-10 indicated that a FvJ 2 might be in the cards. I don't know what his source was or anything, but he usually knew what he was talking about.

[Jigsaw]

Same here, but I doubt it would be nothing but a continuation of the first... pretty much doing NOTHING for either franchise.


I'm hoping that FVJ2 won't be anything like the original if it ever gets made. Getting rid of Ronny Yu as the director and his MTV-style filmmaking will be a huge plus, since a lot of the filmmaking techniques used in the first film hurt it a lot for me. Also treating the characters and the subject with more seriousness and respect and maybe even delving a bit into their pasts would be another benefit.

[sCabbOy]

I like the lower-budget style directing. I'm not for the slick, action oriented, fast paced stuff.

[Jigsaw]

Me too. The flashy MTV-style filmmaking techniques and overbloated feel was what hurt FVJ a lot IMO. Making FVJ2 much more of a straightforward slasher movie with a strong action streak would help it a lot.

[sCabbOy]

I don't know why directors don't go back and watch the old slashers to get ideas. Hell, same with writers.

[Jigsaw]

I agree. Someone who understands the histories and motivations of both characters and is respectful to what was established and what's been made a concrete fact. Didn't Ronny Yu even admit that he hadn't seen the previous films of either series and it was only before filming on FVJ shortly began that he finally watched all of them?

[DRE]

They feel they can improve the formula with their "Style of Today" which is total bull. Give me classic Tobe Hooper over video director Marcus Nispel and boring Jonathan Liebesman any day! Hell, I'll even take Jeff Burr over them.

[Jigsaw]

I agree. Although I'd love to see James Wan or Darren Lynn Bousman give their take on F13. I think they'd at least treat the character with respect and his history, and take the material seriously and not be in it just for commercial reasons.

[sCabbOy]

Even Tobe Hooper has been spitting out pieces of shit lately- blame producers, I am sure.

[DRE]

Even Tobe Hooper has been spitting out pieces of shit lately- blame producers, I am sure.

He sure has. Notice I said "classic" Tobe Hooper, which pretty means Chainsaw 1 & 2, Eaten Alive and Salem's Lot. Poltergeist = All Spielberg.

[Jigsaw]

The Toolbox Murders remake (which Tobe directed) was pretty good, IMO one of his better movies by a long shot. The Funhouse is good too.

[The Dream Master]

I've never thought that Hooper has the resume of other horror greats because I think he's really only directed one great film: Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

Besides that, he's done some good films like Poltergeist, TCM 2, and Toolbox Murders. That said, I still look forward to just about anything he's involved with.

[sCabbOy]

Toolbox Murders was alright, but the bad part of the movie was the writing.

I didn't care for his MOH episodes nor Mortuary (which was a piece of shit). His episode on Night Visions was good though.

[DRE]

We can't forget his famous pilot episode of Freddy's Nightmares.

[The Dream Master]

Yeah, I liked that, too. I was thinking about his film work, but he's done some nice stuff for TV, too.

As far as I'm concerned, "No More Mr. Nice Guy" (along with Freddy's Dead) is the very reason why we don't need a NOES prequel.

[Ghostface]

In my local newspaper (The Wichita Eagle) today there was an article on the entire 'Friday' series, I'll post the link when I get off work.

[Autobotsdie]

What else could they do to jason that we've haven't seen yet?

[Utellme]

Does anybody know if the next Fr 13th is gonna be a remake or a prequel or part 11 ?

[CampNewBlood]

I agree with Scabboy. There does NOT need to be a FvsJ2....hell,there didn't need to be one. But it is what it is. I don't dislike the movie, I just think there definately does not need to be another VS one.

If they wanna continue making these films (and I hope they do--stand alone Jason films) please do it right. Go back and see what made the originals so popular. Maybe "starting over" would be best. That way, we could have a slew more films....well, I guess we could anyway.

[Ghostface]

Here's the article from my local paper (The Wichita Eagle) from yesterday. The information on the new one is at the end of the aricle and states that it will be a sequel!

'Friday the 13th' movies aren't dead yet
The infamous Jason Voorhees has survived through 11 films -- and another still to come.
BY ROD POCOWATCHIT
The Wichita Eagle
Today is a notoriously unlucky day. But not for the creators of the "Friday the 13th" horror films. It has been one of the most successful -- and longest-running -- movie franchises ever.

And with yet another sequel tentatively slated for 2009, the Jason Voorhees saga isn't over yet. Talk about overkill!

So if you want to spend Friday the 13th watching a "Friday the 13th" movie, here's a guide to the series (all are available on DVD). Let the splattering begin!

"Friday the 13th" (1980)

We're introduced to mama's boy Jason Voorhees when he kills a bunch of overly hormonal teenagers at Camp Crystal Lake.

Tagline: On Friday the 13th, nothing will save them. (If we only knew.)

Tidbit: A young Kevin Bacon stars as one of the splatterees, dooming the "six degrees" game that would later become popular. Now everyone is linked to Jason Voorhees. Thanks a lot.

"Friday the 13th, Part 2" (1981)

Jason's mama is dead and Camp Crystal Lake is shut down. So Jason heads to the camp next door.

Tagline: The body count continues. (Creative!)

Tidbit: Director Steve Miner would go on to direct episodes of the equally frightful "Dawson's Creek."

"Friday the 13th, Part 3" (1982)

Jason in 3-D! People wearing silly glasses! The horror!

Tagline: A new dimension in terror. (Get it. Eh? Eh?)

Tidbit: First film in which Jason started wearing the infamous hockey mask. Serial killers have self-image problems, too.

"Friday the 13th: The Final Chapter" (1984)

Final? Yeah, right. Jason is "killed" by the heroic Tommy Jarvis (Corey Feldman).

Tagline: This is the one you'll be dying for. (Promises, promises.)

Tidbit: Who knew this would be one of the best films of Feldman's career?

"Friday the 13th: A New Beginning" (1985)

See, what did we tell ya? They're back. Now, Tommy is a mentally disturbed patient stuck in a halfway house located -- tada! --deep in the woods. Guess who shows up.

Tagline: If Jason still haunts you, you're not alone! (Please, let us alone!)

Tidbit: This was reportedly written for Feldman to star, but he was shooting "The Goonies." He still made a cameo, though, 'cause no one can seem to get rid of the guy.

"Jason Lives: Friday the 13th Part VI" (1986)

Tommy returns to the graveyard where Jason is buried and accidentally brings him back to life. Just like I accidentally ate that extra doughnut.

Tagline: Nothing this evil ever dies. (We know.)

Tidbit: Cast member Tony Goldwyn would go on to redeem himself by co-starring in "Ghost" and directing the Zach Braff comedy "The Last Kiss."

"Friday the 13th Part VII: The New Blood" (1988)

Jason confronts a teenager with psychic powers.

Tagline: Jason is back, but this time someone's waiting! (Thank goodness.)

Tidbit: No actual psychics were harmed in the making of this film -- as predicted.

"Friday the 13th Part VIII: Jason Takes Manhattan" (1989)

Not to be confused with "The Muppets Take Manhattan."

Tagline: The Big Apple's in BIG trouble! (Please stop with the CAPITALIZATION.)

Tidbit: Last in the series to be distributed by Paramount; New Line would take over from here.

"Jason Goes to Hell: The Final Friday" (1993)

Here we go throwing that "final" word around again.

Tagline: The creator of the first returns to bring you the last. (Good. The artistic integrity will be preserved.)

Tidbit: Cast member Steven Culp would later appear in "Desperate Housewives."

"Jason X" (2001)

Jason in outer space! In the 25th century! We smell "Alien" rip-off.

Tagline: Welcome to the future of horror. (And past regrets.)

Tidbit: Famed loony director David Cronenberg appears. He thought he really was in space.

"Freddy vs. Jason" (2003)

"A Nightmare on Elm Street's" Freddy Krueger goes in search of Jason -- and big box office bucks.

Tagline: One, two, Freddy's coming for you. Three, four, Jason's at your door. (Five, six, we hate rhymes.)

Tidbit: Cast member Jason Ritter is the son of late actor John Ritter.

"Untitled Friday the 13th Sequel" (2009)

That's actually the most accurate title we've ever heard.

Tidbit: Director Michael Bay ("Transformers") is rumored to be producing. We can't wait!

[Duke Nukeum]

Me too. The flashy MTV-style filmmaking techniques and overbloated feel was what hurt FVJ a lot IMO. Making FVJ2 much more of a straightforward slasher movie with a strong action streak would help it a lot.

Yeah really they need to do it as a horror film with action elements and not a action film with horror elements. Kinda reminds me of how Anderson screwed the Resident Evil films that way and not making them darker like the games. But I won't get started on that topic. It just seems like they do a poor job anymore on big horror franchises when it comes to hiring directors. I guess that is what the problem is with studio productions. You got people who run these studios and all they think of is money and not the art of film making. Unlike independent horror films.:mad: Lets just hope with both FvsJ and the new Friday that they get good directors to make the movie enjoyable to the hardcore fans like us and not a piece of shit.

"Come Get Some!" Duke Nukeum

Here's the article from my local paper from yesterday. Notice that the synopsis of the first one is wrong, surprise! The information on the new one is at the end of the aricle and states that it will be a sequel!

Cool article. Gotta love the fact that the editor never seen the movies or forgot that Jason was not the killer in the first one.:side: That always burns me up when people insist Jason was the killer in part 1.

"Let's Rock!" Duke Nukeum

[Utellme]

List some ideas they could do for a prequel

[Ghostface]

An awesome prequel would be one based of the new two-part comic 'Friday the 13th: Pamela's Tale'. It shows Jason's birth and the events leading up to the first murders at Camp Crystal Lake. I think if Platinum Dunes were to make a prequel, this would be the way to go. In fact, a prequel taking place before the first 'Friday' or a sequel taking place after 'Freddy vs. Jason' but before 'Jason X' would be better than a remake or a restart. But, whatever, I'll be there opening day no matter what gets made.

[Utellme]

Yeah that sounds good i just hope it would be 2 seperate movies. Cause a prequel could cover before 1 and the remake could cover 1 with some fill in
between 2-4 either in a flashback with some of the cut footage cause even if the pic quality is bad you could haze it over, or have it as Jasons dream something like that. They could even throw in a winter scene in on the prequel maybe.

For part 11 i would pick off from at Crystal lake where Jason went into the lake at the end of part 10.And have Jason come back out of Crystal
lake either by Tina with her powers or have him as a younger boy again like it showed us in part 8.But not quite that young make him like 22 waking up from this dream.And make it old school human jason crystal lake, winter scene bring back some past survivors. etc

[Darth Sinister]

Prequel/sequel. Present day is Jason going on another tear, while in the past we see what lead up to all of this. It all ties together. One of the most important things, is to recapture some of what made the early films great. Jason stalks about, but we only see parts of him. We only see him fully when he kills. Old school Harry Manfredini score with old and new music. None of the synth stuff. KNB effects and kills that are on par with Trey's death in FvsJ.

[Utellme]

Be cool to see Jason run again

[Joshg]

Obviously, they knew that the killer was his mother in Part II. They even say that his mama is dead. They just didn't want to give it away. Same with Roy Burns.

[Erik]

I always liked the idea of basically remaking the first few movies while also adding some more back story. Sure, it could feel cramped and crowded and have a lot of pacing problems, but I'm not interested in these movies for a well structured story, I'm in it for some good old fashioned American slasher movie fun.

[Lammert]

I hope this remake holds atleast the quality the first 4 Friday's had. I just don't want it to be a TCM or Saw...

And please, don't make it to prequel-ish... the first Friday was so great becuase you knew so little and it was mysterious.

[Sketch Sanchez]

After seeing Behind the Mask, I'd like to see Scott Glosserman take a shot at it.

I wish they'd just make this already, how hard can a Jason movie be? Even if it's a remake, it doesnt need to get more complicated than "Kids show up at camp, theres a legend, Jason shows up, kills people, the end."

[WestinHillsDays]

I have said this before and I'll say it again:

You guys want a new Friday the 13th movie?

Just wait until Rob Zombie's Halloween makes millions in its opening weekend. :side:

[Sketch Sanchez]

If thats the case I'll see that movie a million times ;p

[WestinHillsDays]

This has happened before.

Let's not forget that Halloween was only turned into a series because Paramount made millions of dollars with the release of Friday the 13th part 2 in 1881. In my opinion, there has never been much of a competition between Freddy and Jason; Michael and Jason, on the other hand... ;)

[BlakeTyner]

...with the release of Friday the 13th part 2 in 1881.

Friday the 13th, Part 2: Jason Stalks the Steam Train

;)

[WestinHillsDays]

Oops. :X I meant 1981.

[DRE]

I have said this before and I'll say it again:

You guys want a new Friday the 13th movie?

Just wait until Rob Zombie's Halloween makes millions in its opening weekend. :side:


This has been rationale as well. People think that just because they haven't heard anything about the production that it is dead, not so. Platinum Dunes has said nothing since January 07, and the last thing they said was "Everything is all clear, New Line, Paramount and MTV onboard and we are beginning the scripting stages."

The silence will be broken in early September, you can bet the camp on that.

The only thing I hope HAS changed is that Jonathan Liebesman is no longer in the running to direct this.

[The Dream Master]

The silence will be broken as soon as RZ's Halloween makes a ton of cash. They're just sitting back and making sure this remake train is still running strong.

[Erik]

After seeing Behind the Mask, I'd like to see Scott Glosserman take a shot at it.

I really would not like to see that happen. The segments of the movie that were in the documentary style were actually quite brilliant, but the straight forward slasher movie parts were so poorly done that it kind of brought the movie down. For me at least. Until he shows me that he can direct an actual movie, I can't agree with you.

[Jigsaw]

The only thing I hope HAS changed is that Jonathan Liebesman is no longer in the running to direct this.


I'm hoping that as well. I hope that James Wan or Darren Lynn Bousman will be approached to helm the next F13 and accept it. They'd treat Jason with a lot more respect and class.

[kramerfan]

I so hope Halloween makes millions.I hope Anderson and Dre are right.

[CampNewBlood]

Yea, I think that is a good possibility of what is going to happen. We haven't heard anything for a while now...especially since Rob Zombie announced that he was remaking 'Halloween'....so I'm sure if/when it does well, New Line will start up the buzz again.

Hopefully.

[Ron]

I really hope Michael Bay isn't involved in the new friday, but from what I hear it's very likely at this point:meh:

[Just Jeans]

If Michael Bay can bring the gore, then I'm all for it. He's a bit hit or miss -- I dislike more of his films than I like -- but he's got a good track record with bringing the action, and I wouldn't mind seeing an action packed Friday the 13th film. I stopped watching them to be scared a long time ago. I watch them now to be entertained, and at the very least I expect Michael Bay could make a gory, entertaining film.

[JVY2K]

If he can make something with the dark feel of the TCM films he did, then it would be a great movie. I'd love to see Jason approached with the seriousness that Leatherface was. In recent films, Jason's character has been poked fun at a little bit. I'd love to see his character taken to an all new badass level.

That said, I don't want to see past sequels ignored in order to press on with this film. There's five years between the original and F13 2. Something could easily transpire in those five years that could be THIS movie. I don't want to see 2-4 "reimagined"...I want to get a movie that can be watched along with all of our favorites in a nice marathon. No re-writing history.

[Ron]

I still think that Michael Bay is a risk NOT worth taking. There are so many better contenders out there who could make a solid friday. why hand it over to this jerk?

[Utellme]

I still think that Michael Bay is a risk NOT worth taking. There are so many better contenders out there who could make a solid friday. why hand it over to this jerk?
Why is this guy so much a risk ?

[JVY2K]

I still think that Michael Bay is a risk NOT worth taking. There are so many better contenders out there who could make a solid friday. why hand it over to this jerk?

Allot of those contenders out there have been approached and have turned down wanting to do a Friday. Michael Bay has had success in his two TCM movies and that's why I'm sure he caught their eye.

[Ron]

success or not, even a blind squirrel finds a nut.

[JVY2K]

What is it that you have against Michael Bay?

[Just Jeans]

Probably all those bad films Bay has directed.

But he's also directed a couple of good ones, and a Friday film isn't exactly rocket science. I don't think it's any more a gamble handing Friday to Bay than it was handing Halloween to Zombie.

[The Dream Master]

Eh...Bay would only be producing, so it's not like he'd actually be that invovled from a directorial standpoint. He also produced the TCM and Amityville remakes, but I don't place much blame at his feet with those.

Most of the time, producer credits are thrown out there just to have a name associated with a film. For example, Spielberg's name was thrown all over the Transformers ads, but that was definately a Bay film from a directorial standpoint.

[Just Jeans]

Although oddly enough, I've seen Spielberg given the credit for Bay not fucking Transformers up. :X

To be honest, I wouldn't be shocked if Bay did direct the next Friday. That'd be a wild direction for him to go as a director.

[The Dream Master]

Yeah, I've heard that Spielberg did have a lot of influence on the Sam/Bumblebee relationship (and it's pretty obvious), but, for the most part, it's a Michael Bay film through and through.

I don't think I'd want Bay handling a new Friday film, as I want something that's got a lot of suspense and subtlety, which is something I don't think Bay knows the definition of. Any sort of action scenes would be well handled probably, but I don't want to see an action film, really. FvJ was too action-packed for my tastes.

Bottom line, if Bay produces the next film, I don't think that's enough to jump to any sort of conclusions as to what the quality will be. I mean, look at all the shit that Craven and Carpenter have associated their names with over the years.

[The Tall Man]

I just have this to say about Bay... the dude ripped off "Parts: The Clonus Horror"...

And I ask myself why.

T.M.

[The Dream Master]

Hey, the overall idea of "Parts" isn't all that bad.

Still, it wouldn't have hurt Bay to acknowledge that he ripped it off.

[Gringo Loco]

I think Bay should stay the hell away from Friday the 13th. I didn't like the TCM remake or it's prequel. Like I have said before, I thought the remake was too stylized, the teens were too "pretty", and the family was ugly for the sake of being ugly. (And I know R. Lee Ermey doesn't look like a "dog" but he is in the minority.) At least TCM 2 (the original series) had choptop who was weird and crazy but he didn't look like a bad internet pic.

Also, the prequel to the second TCM series was just rehash of the remake.

So yeah, even though Bay didn't have his name on the film as director, I'm sure he had something to say about the final product. Maybe he didn't and I'm giving him to much blame for nothing, but I haven't heard anything to prove it different.

[CampNewBlood]

Well, I just wish we would hear something....anything.

Buyt maybe as some have said, New Line is waiting to see what happens with Halloween.

[sCabbOy]

I can handle a F13th movie like TCM 2003, but it if is goind to be written as poorly as TCM TB, well no way.

[Just Jeans]

Still, it wouldn't have hurt Bay to acknowledge that he ripped it off.

I still haven't seen The Island, but when I was watching the trailer for it with a friend in the cinema, he leaned over to me half way through and said, "Dude, I can't believe they remade Parts: The Clonus Horror!"

I fell about laughing when I realized how right he was, and then I avoided the film like the plague. :shifty:

Whether Bay wants to admit he ripped the film off, I hear-tale the creators of Parts walked away with a seven-figure settlement after filing suit claiming copyright infringement.

[The Dream Master]

The episode featuring Parts: The Clonus Horror was one of my favorite Sci-Fi era MST3K episodes.

And, for what it's worth, I think The Island is probably my favorite film by Michael Bay. It's not outstanding, but I do like the premise of the story, and I think it's executed well enough.

[Ron]

I can handle a F13th movie like TCM 2003, but it if is goind to be written as poorly as TCM TB, well no way.

You're absolutley right. If done properly, it could both introduce new fans to the franchise, as well as, apease us die hards. Will it? Maybe...

[Utellme]

Take it back to the basics Crystal Lake Jason human again.

[Ron]

Hey, the overall idea of "Parts" isn't all that bad.

Still, it wouldn't have hurt Bay to acknowledge that he ripped it off.

It also wouldn't have hurt for Cunningham to admit that he ripped of Twitch Of The Death Nerve.

[Melanie Jarvis]

Please don't do a remake!!! The series could be good again if someone hired a writer that knew what they were doing.

[Ron]

At this point you just know the remake is coming sooner or later. Let's just pray for a descent remake that will kick start this series back into motion.

[Melanie Jarvis]

Well, if they do a remake, the series is done, ruined. At least right now, we still have the chance to make it good again.

[Kane Lives]

I'd just love an old school Jason Sequel at this point. No rappers, Pop stars, CGI, or altering the timeline; with the older music and kill style. Maybe a small subplot like from The New Blood to make it more than just Jason stalking campers. Although, that should be about 95% IMO. Stick to the old style, and keep it simple. I think it could be done if New Line was willing.

However, I feel it will be a remake at this point because that's still what's "in". I'd pass on FVJ 2 if given the choice, but would take it over a remake any day.

[Utellme]

Id rather see a prequel then a remake.And if it does end up being a remake i hope it would be a prequel/remake.

[CampNewBlood]

This is on Bloody-Disgusting's site. It's not alot of info. but it's something.

According to a small blurb in an article on Variety.com, Platinum Dunes is aiming to get their remake of Friday the 13th in theaters by 2009. I personally think this films life depends on how well Rob Zombie's Halloween does at the end of the month, so fingers crossed. No word on whether Jonathan Liebesman is still attached to the project, but we've heard that they're not using Mark Wheaton's story. Watch for the return of Jason Voorhees and his mother in 2009!

[Utellme]

2009 wow thats still a long wait hopefully it's worth it.I wish they would do this with part 11 to maybe fix the timeline and ignore some of the bad fr 13th's 8-10.Have Jason having a dream and in the dream have all the cut kills from part 1 up to 10 as for the poor video quality they could haze it over cause its a dream.Then have Jason wake up at a younger age and picking up from the end of TFC with Jason still super human instead of super zonmbie.

[CampNewBlood]

And this was on Dark Horizons site today:

Michael Bay's production company Platinum Dunes plans to release a remake of "Friday the 13th" sometime in 2009 reports Variety.

First announced in January 2006, the project fell into development hell as time went on and Platinum Dunes released a series of failed remakes (Hitcher, Amityville) and prequels (TCM: The Beginning).

Many are waiting to see the performance of Rob Zombie's "Halloween" remake to see whether this moves forward or not. Jonathan Liebesman was previously attached to direct the R-Rated horror film which would return to Crystal Lake.

February, March, November will all experience the fateful potential release date throughout that year.

Well, if this is the case, I hope Halloween does good.

[The New Blood]

yeah, I hope Halloween does good simply for the sake of the next Friday the 13th film. I just hope they make it(F13 remake) in a way that I can somehow integrate it into the original series.

[The Tall Man]

I'd rather no more Fridays ever than a remake. Same for the Nightmares.

And why next year? Why not 2010 for the 30th anniversary? Oh yeah... I forgot... the money could be gone by then. :/

T.M.

[Utellme]

Elm st only has a prequel left

TCM done except maybe a Leatherface vs movie

Halloween they say 22

Friday the 13th you would think 13 is a given.But if it's less id like to see 1 more movie a part 11.Take Jason back to Crystal Lake at least that i don't want to go out on JX and Fvs J or remake unless it's part prequel maybe.

[The Tall Man]

Elm st only has a prequel left
What do you mean? "Left"? There is NO story in a Nightmare prequel. We say it in the pilot episode of "Freddy's Nightmares", the backstories of Nightmares 1, 3, 5 and then saw it again in "Freddy's Dead" and "Freddy vs. Jason". There's nothing else left to tell us about Freddy.

Besides, Freddy without burn makeup or dream powers is like porn without sex. I guess I should ament my above statement with I'd rather no more Nightmares than a prequel or remake too.

But if it's less id like to see 1 more movie a part 11.
Actually the next Friday sequel would be Friday 12, whether you like it or not.

T.M.

[Deathscythe]

And why next year? Why not 2010 for the 30th anniversary? Oh yeah... I forgot... the money could be gone by then. :/

T.M.

Thats what I was saying about Halloween

Halloween - 1978
Halloween 4 - 1988
Halloween H20 - 1998
Halloween - 2007

Not like it means much in the long run through.

[The New Blood]

The thing is that most people don't even know about/ care about the 30th anniversary, so its not a benefit for those releasing the film to wait until then.

[Utellme]

Well rumor has it the next Elm st will be a prequel.And maybe Freddy will have the burnt face for some of the movie.

Next Jason 12 well i missed something here cause Jason X was 10.And a remake ,prequel,FvsJ I don't consider none of them a part 11.Part 11 would be picking up at the end of 10.

[The Tall Man]

Utellme, just because Godfather 2 takes place before Godfather 1 does not make it Godfather 0. FvsJ is equally Friday 11 and Nightmare 8. The next film (a sequel, that is) is Friday 12.

T.M.

[Utellme]

Well if that's the case then the Friday the 13th franchise will end on a down note for me.Cause if remake makes 12 and a prequel 13 the series ends with no classic Jason back at Crystal Lake.And i would much rather see a Prequel before a remake if they just have to do a remake.At worse case at least make it a Prequel/Remake and do 1 last film at Crystal Lake picking up from Jason x.

[Rich]

Frankly I am sick of saying this, so I'll just quote myself from one of my posts on the OHMB.

If a remake is what it takes to get the movies out of Manhattan and space and the WWE main event, then I'm down for it. It is like the new Halloween. It isn't like they will change one frame of the original movie. You'll still have it. I want an old school Friday the 13th again. My ideal "next movie" would be a film that picks up right where either Part 4 leaves off, but it'll be a cold day in hell before that happens.

I would rather the remake then another Freddy vs. Jason or something like that. I am tired of the comic book stuff. I just want it to look and feel real again. I want it to be scary again. A re-imagioning has the potential to be the best movie since The Final Chapter. A sequel to FVJ has not much potential at all. You do the math.

I never thought I would ever say this, but in this case, bring on the re-telling, because face it it is the only way we'll ever get a good Friday film ever again.

The winter idea that everyone is so in love with has great imagery potential but in terms of story telling it is just as far away from what Friday the 13th is all about as Jason X was.

[Utellme]

I can deal with a remake your 100% correct will allways have the original.I just would like to see a prequel to fill in some blanks.As for picking up at the end of The Final Chapter thats perfect.I want to see a old school classic Jason but i just don't want it to be in a remake and the series is done.And as far as the snow scene it's no where close as far away as Jason X all it would take is a 5 minute scene at Crystal Lake in the winter something that has not been done i think this is the very reason why a lot of people like the idea.Also it would be at Crystal Lake

[The Tall Man]

I think it's disrespectful to just ignore someone else's work because "you didn't like it". I want a true Friday 12 or a Nightmare 9. I don't want a restart. It's fine as is. Just don't rely on gimmicks.

T.M.

[DRE]

A lot of us have already been saying that Zombie's Halloween will be the make or break factor for a new Friday film, as sad as that fact is. The man who hates Jason (All the while stealing his style for his version of The Shape) will ultimately be the one who saves him from development hell.

[Dusk]

That would be apt, because the original Halloween paved the way for the original Friday the 13th - history repeats itself.

[Utellme]

Id like to see a part 11,12,13 movie old school back at Crystal Lake.A remake and prequel and some Jason vs movies.

[Just Jeans]

I don't consider Freddy vs. Jason the 12th Friday the 13th film or the 8th Nightmare on Elm Street. I've always thought of it as a brand in and of itself; a franchise in its own right.

I wouldn't expect to see it in an expanded box set with either franchise, either.

[CampNewBlood]

I kinda agree with you Jeans. FvsJ is kinda off on it's own somewhere....outthere.

It was cool reading the interview with Frank Mancuso Jr. in the old Fangoria magazines about the Friday films. He was discussing tid-bits about the upcoming Part 8 (at the time) and how they (he and Paramount) would love to make 13 of them and that (they) would continue to make then as long as they made money.

Funny how things change.....4 years later, our beloved franchise is sold off to New Line Cinema.

MF'ers

[jackdeth]

I don't consider Freddy vs. Jason the 12th Friday the 13th film or the 8th Nightmare on Elm Street. I've always thought of it as a brand in and of itself; a franchise in its own right.

I wouldn't expect to see it in an expanded box set with either franchise, either.
I agree 100%. I've never viewed F vs. J as a sequel to either series, but rather it's own standalone movie.

[The Tall Man]

Guys, that's really silly...

So I guess "Frankenstein Meets the Wolf Man" isn't the fifth Frankenstein film and the second Wolf Man film? Or I guess "King Kong vs. Godzilla" isn't the third Kong film (or second depending on your disposition) and the third Godzilla movie? Come on...

If it's so damned standalone, the "I've always had a thing for the whores that live in this house" line is totally meaningless. And we shouldn't care who Freddy or Jason are because they're totally new characters... Please.

FvsJ begins with a montage of footage from the previous Nightmare on Elm Streets, connecting it as the 8th Nightmare movie (or 7th, depending on your disposition). New Line WANTED to do the same with Jason (as they had for JX as well), but once more Paramount wanted too much money for the footage.

T.M.

[Utellme]

I view it as a side step i have to other wise im ruining the series for myself imo.If it counted as 12 and 8 it would have been 3 hrs long 2 seperate movies imo.I don't consider remakes. vs's, as part of the sequels but thats just me.Prequels i guess to get technically correct it would be a 0.5 then part 1 but again this is my opinion.

[Rich]

I'm with Tall Man here. Freddy vs. Jason is Friday 11 and Nightmare 8 whether anyone likes it or not. If you read the novel, they went into so much Friday the 13th history, mentioning the shack from Part 2 for one thing. The only reason they couldn't do that in the movie is because Cashmount wanted too much money for the use of the footage.

I have got to wonder one thing though. That documentary Going to Pieces - The Rise and Fall of the Slasher Film had footage from Friday the 13th and Friday the 13th - The Final Chapter in it. If they could afford to buy the footage from Paramount, then you can't tell me New Line couldn't so I don't think it is entirely Paramount's fault. I think New Line should take some of the blame too, because they probably didn't want to pay for the footage and didn't think it was worth it, meanwhile in independant documentary was able to get the footage.

I think that makes New Line look bad. It's like, if they could pay for the footage, why couldn't you. They are an independant film producer and you are a multi-million dollar Hollywood studio. Shame on you New Line.

[The New Blood]

I agree, except to my FvJ is Friday 10 and JX is Friday 11, since thats how it makes sense in the timeline. None of them are a stand alone to me. I say that even though I think FvJ sucks badly.

[The Tall Man]

See, Rich understands what I'm saying. I'm not interesting in talking about what fans want or what fans believe or what biases each fan has. I'm interesting in discussing what is. In short, the facts.

So, Utellme, by your rationale, there is only one sequel to "Godzilla", that being "Godzilla 1985", since in each of the other movies he fights some other monster? Come on...

This is the definition of a sequel: If it continues the exploits of a character or themes of a previous movie. Freddy is from "A Nightmare on Elm Street", therefore FvsJ is (the 7th or 8th) sequel. Jason is from "Friday the 13th" (or more, "Friday the 13th, Part 2"), therefore FvsJ is (the 11th) sequel. It's not a sidestep, it's own standalone movie, or franchise. It's a sequel, plain and simple. Anything else is just incorrect, regardless of biases.

New Blood, that's a fine point, but you what you go by is the release date, not chronological order. "Godfather 2" isn't "Godfather 0" just because it partically takes place before "Godfather 1".

T.M.

[The New Blood]

New Blood, that's a fine point, but you what you go by is the release date, not chronological order. "Godfather 2" isn't "Godfather 0" just because it partically takes place before "Godfather 1".

T.M.

I don't got to go by anything:D. Thats the beauty of it.

[Utellme]

I'm not talking about Godzilla though.And regardless wether it's right or wrong thats my view plain and simple same as your POV.

As far as facts no where on Freddy vs Jason does it state Friday the 13th part 11 or NOES 8 it just says Freddy vs Jason and thats all i take it for sorry but thats my POV .

[Erik]

I'm definitely in the 'FvJ is a sequel to both franchises' boat.

[Rich]

I agree, except to my FvJ is Friday 10 and JX is Friday 11, since thats how it makes sense in the timeline. None of them are a stand alone to me. I say that even though I think FvJ sucks badly.

Actually, Jason X is part 10 for two reasons: 1) X is the roman numeral for 10 and 2) it was the tenth movie to be made. Despite the timeline Freddy vs. Jason was the 11th movie to be made.

Also if you think of Jason X in the same context as I do (I don't know if you do or not though) then it actually does happen before Freddy vs. Jason.

there is only one sequel to "Godzilla", that being "Godzilla 1985

I understand the point you are making Tall Man. As far as Godzilla, I do believe that Godzilla 1985 was one of the best sequels along with Godzilla and Mothra The Battle for Earth, Godzilla vs. The Destroyer, Godzilla vs. Space Godzilla, Godzilla vs. King Ghidora, Godzilla 2000, GMK, and Final Wars.

Now I have to say that the New Line releases do not go on a nice series of stories like the Paramount ones did. They do come across as three stand alone films based on the original series rather then Parts 9-11, but what I think Tall Man is trying to say is that because Jason Goes to Hell is the 9th movie made, it is Part 9, because Jason X is the 10th movie made, it is Part 10, and because Freddy vs. Jason is the 11th Friday and 8th Nightmare movie made it is Part 11 and 8 of those series.

[The New Blood]

Actually, Jason X is part 10 for two reasons: 1) X is the roman numeral for 10 and 2) it was the tenth movie to be made. Despite the timeline Freddy vs. Jason was the 11th movie to be made.

Also if you think of Jason X in the same context as I do (I don't know if you do or not though) then it actually does happen before Freddy vs. Jason.


.


I reason I think of FvJ as part 10 is that it starts with Jason crawling out of the ground and Freddy saying he searched the bowels of hell to find him. That, among a few other things makes it a direct sequel to JGTH, for me. JX happens a while after FvJ to me.

[The Dream Master]

FvJ is both a sequel and a prequel, as it takes place after all the Friday films except for Jason X. Therefore, it's kind of in the middle as far as I'm concerned. Either way, it's not a stand-alone film because it makes far too many references to the earlier films to be considered that. To me, it's not a big deal to specifically label FvJ as the 10th or 11th film or whatever.

[Deathscythe]

I've never considered Freddy vs. Jason as Friday the 13th XI, I've always considered it A Nightmare on Elm Street 8 with Jason as a guest star.

[jackdeth]

I've never considered Freddy vs. Jason as Friday the 13th XI, I've always considered it A Nightmare on Elm Street 8 with Jason as a guest star.
It did feel a bit more like an A Nightmare on Elm Street film IMO, but it was good none the less. It featured both Icons so... I can't complain. Friday the 13th being my favorite though.:D

[sCabbOy]

FvJ is more of a Jason movie, IMO. It revolves more around getting to Camp Crystal Lake than Elm Street and of course Jason is the star IMO. Regardless of what others think.

[The Dream Master]

Freddy drives the entire plot, and he's sort of our narrator for the entire thing. If either character is the "star," I'd say it's Freddy. In the end, though, I think both characters were given their proper due.

[Erik]

But almost all of the action revolves around Jason.

[Rich]

Freddy vs. Jason was a Nightmare on Elm Street movie featuring Jason.

[sCabbOy]

But to me it didn't have ANOES feel. Regardless, it was both and NEITHER at the same time. Debating what it was is pointless.

It seemed that the plot focused on Jason because Freddy was pretty null and void for the better part of the film.

[Utellme]

Yeah to one person its NOES 8 and Friday the 13th 11 or vice versa. To some its not a sequel ,To some its a NOES film to others its a Friday film way to confusing for me I just consider it Freddy vs Jason cause thats what the title is no numbers and no NOES or Friday just seems a lot more simple to me that way.

[The Tall Man]

Yeah to one person its NOES 8 and Friday the 13th 11 or vice versa. To some its not a sequel ,To some its a NOES film to others its a Friday film way to confusing for me I just consider it Freddy vs Jason cause thats what the title is no numbers and no NOES or Friday just seems a lot more simple to me that way.
That's just lazy thinking... There's nothing confusing about the movie being BOTH the eight Nightmare and the eleventh Friday the 13th. At least there's nothing confusing that I can see about it. Just roll with it.

Titles have NOTHING to do with it. "The Color of Money" from 1986 is still the sequel to 1961's "The Hustler" despite not being called "The Hustler 2". "The Drowning Pool" from 1975 is still the sequel to "Harper" despite not being called "Harper 2". "The Executioners" is still the sequel to "The Heroic Trio" despite not being called "The Heroic Trio 2". And so on and so forth for TONS of sequels the world over. Titles have nothing to do with it. Characters and overall themes are what count.

T.M.

[Utellme]

It has to be lazy thinking cause im to tired of thinking about it anymore.Everyone has there own take on it. Roll with it theres a lot i would like to roll with either a old school F13th part 1? or a prequel. Don't mind a remake just wish they would make it after the prequel.Or maybe a better box set with commentary's and uncut everything for all 8.

[CampNewBlood]

That's just lazy thinking... There's nothing confusing about the movie being BOTH the eight Nightmare and the eleventh Friday the 13th. At least there's nothing confusing that I can see about it. Just roll with it.

Titles have NOTHING to do with it. "The Color of Money" from 1986 is still the sequel to 1961's "The Hustler" despite not being called "The Hustler 2". "The Drowning Pool" from 1975 is still the sequel to "Harper" despite not being called "Harper 2". "The Executioners" is still the sequel to "The Heroic Trio" despite not being called "The Heroic Trio 2". And so on and so forth for TONS of sequels the world over. Titles have nothing to do with it. Characters and overall themes are what count.

T.M.

Well, IMO, titles DO count for me. I would like to see the next movie HAVE "Friday the 13th" in the title. It's just insane to keep going around calling them 'Jason' movies.
The main title is "Friday the 13th". Use it. Harper and Color Of Money are NOT typical franchises....expecially HORROR franchises. There are a helluva lot more Friday the 13th and Nightmare On Elm Street movies than there are those 2. Those shoudln't even be compared to these.

You want a new "Star Wars" movie without "Star Wars" in the title? "Star Trek" without "Star Trek" in the title? "Phantasm" with no "Phantasm" in the title? "Scream" with no "Scream" in the title?.....I can see it now...."Scream 4" is retitled "Holla". How idiotic would that sound?

I guess Rob Zombie should have called his movie... "Michael Myers Visits His Sister" or something instead of "Halloween" huh.

[Utellme]

Yeah that would be a good idea also, get the name back on the movie Friday the 13th instead of all Jason somethings.

[The Tall Man]

Well, IMO, titles DO count for me.
As I've mentioned before, I'm more interested in talking about the way things are, not fans' biases. What I'm telling you are the sort of "rules" of motion pictures as I was taught them.

The main title is "Friday the 13th". Use it. Harper and Color Of Money are NOT typical franchises....expecially HORROR franchises. There are a helluva lot more Friday the 13th and Nightmare On Elm Street movies than there are those 2. Those shoudln't even be compared to these.
Sequels are sequels no matter how many there are. Every movie is just as worthy as the next. That goes ditto go genres.

Besides, this is what we're discussing: Utellme is trying to say "Freddy vs. Jason" isn't a sequel to "A Nightmare on Elm Street" or "Friday the 13th" because it doesn't have those words in its title. And that's just silly.

I'm telling you people that's not how the measure of a sequel is determined. Now if you folks don't want to listen and still say silly things like that, I can't stop you. But I'm just telling you the way it is. It just looks poorly on you guys.

You want a new "Star Wars" movie without "Star Wars" in the title?
I don't want a new Star Wars movie PERIOD, but that's neither here nor there. I don't know how it is now, but back in the day, the movies were referred to as:

STAR WARS
THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK
THE RETURN OF THE JEDI

The first one was the only one referred to as "Star Wars". That didn't make the other two any less a sequel.

"Star Trek" without "Star Trek" in the title? "Phantasm" with no "Phantasm" in the title? "Scream" with no "Scream" in the title?.....
Yadda yadda yadda... as long as the film's good I don't really care what it's called.

I guess Rob Zombie should have called his movie... "Michael Myers Visits His Sister" or something instead of "Halloween" huh.
Well take the words "Michael Myers" out of it and that'd be fine. Anything would be a better title than "Halloween" since it's seemingly obvious the movie is Not-Halloween.

T.M.

[CampNewBlood]

Here we go again.....dude you can't say something else someone believes in is "silly" just because YOU claim it is supposed to be one way or another. You have you opinion and I have mine. So does everyone.

You don't care what a film is called? Rules? What rules? Who taught you those?

I am not saying the name alone "measures a sequel".....I assume you mean the quality of the film itself.....What I am saying is I PREFER the original name FRIDAY THE 13TH to be intact. That is NOT silly. I don't know where you get off saying that what I think and what everyone else thinks about franchises keeping their original names is silly. Maybe what you think and claim is silly, ever think about that? Just because that is what you have been "taught" all your life by God knows who, doesn't make it so and make it gospel.

And I'm telling you that just because I said I PREFER the sequels to have the name Friday the 13th in them is not the same as me saying they aren't any good.....understand?

So please, do not be rude by pushing your beliefs off onto me. And if that's what you want to discuss...."the way things are"...as opposed to what most of us like or prefer, have at it. Discuss until you are blue in the face.....but do not ever tell me that what I believe or want is silly.

Maybe Utellme wants to think of Freddy vs. Jason that way....is that ok with you? Just because you think he should think your way doesn't make you right.

And I won't bother to comment on your Halloween comment since that makes no sense whatsoever.

I really need to stop coming to this forum because all there is in here is a bunch of people who think they know everything.

Really ridiculus.

[The Dream Master]

I really don't think there's any validity to the argument that Freddy vs. Jason is not a sequel to the NOES and Friday the 13th films. It is, period, just like "Freddy's Dead" is the sixth "Nightmare on Elm Street" film despite not having that in the title. Ditto for "Jason Goes to Hell" and "Jason X." All TM is saying that these films are definately sequels despite not carrying over the title conventions.

CNB, you're making an entirely different argument, which should definately be respected. It's not really up to debate whether or not "Friday the 13th" sounds better than whatever other title is used since that's a personal opinion, and it's obviously important to you, but not to others. Everyone should just respect that difference.

[CampNewBlood]

Well thank you Dream Master. I see your point.

Sorry to say, but I think I will just delete my account now. I loved the old forum so much and was there for 3 years, but I am not gonna deal with this day in and day out.

If/when Dusk opens his forum, I will just go there.

The friends I made at the old site....I'll see ya'll on there.

Later

[The Dream Master]

CNB, I'm sorry to hear that you feel that way, but honestly, no one wants that.

Obviously these types of situations are going to happen when you have clashing personalities on a message board, but that's no excuse to ever feel unwelcome around here. Let's try to cool things down a bit in here, guys. That goes for everyone.

[BlakeTyner]

I've been monitoring this thread, and there's been no indication that anything other than dissenting opinions was happening.

The whole concept of a message board is to encourage discussion, and with that comes debate. Nobody reported a post, and frankly I didn't see anything worth putting the mod hat on about.

Sorry to have lost CNB, but that's the breaks I suppose.

~Blake

[The Tall Man]

Guys, I'm truly sorry I ran somebody off. That surely wasn't my intention.

DM, thanks for understanding what I was trying to say.

T.M.

[Erik]

Sorry to butt in, but that was a rather petty thing to leave the forum over. I'm still kind of confused by it.

Anyway, I say we get back to the future of Friday the 13th and drop this whole Freddy vs. Jason thing once and for all. Then again, there's not really much to talk about, is there? I guess we can't really expect any news until after Zombie's Halloween comes out.

[The Dream Master]

TM, it's not a problem at all. He made the choice to leave--no one forced him to make that decision.

Erik, you're right. There really isn't much to discuss right now, aside from this tibit from Variety:

New Line Cinema built itself on the backs of Freddy and Jason; another Friday the 13th sequel, as yet untitled, is scheduled for 2009."

So, really not much there at all except some downright wrong information (NLC hardly built its back on Jason) and pure speculation.

[Duke Nukeum]

Really does make you wonder whats in store? I was on IMDB a minute ago and even though they have been wrong before makes you wonder about what little info they got? I looked at the keywords part and this is what I got:
Homecoming
Doctor Patient Relationship
Deputy Sheriff
Jason Voorhees
Sequel To Cult Favorite
Sequel To Cult Horror
Mother Son Relationship
Cheating On Girlfriend
Mother Daughter Relationship
Flashback Sequence
Mayor
Sequel
Radio DJ
Independent Film

Kinda makes you wonder if all those elements are in it?:side: Even though from what we know they haven't scripted it.:meh: Not less it got out to them that those are what is gonna be in the script as far as the producer saying they want those elements in it plus whatever the writer can think of to add to those. The ones that sound the most interested I think are: Mother Son Relationship, Mother Daughter Relationship, Doctor Patient Relationship, Flashback Sequence, Cheating On Girlfriend, Deputy Sheriff. Really makes you wonder if all those elements will be in it or if IMDB is full of shit?:side: Guess we will just have to play it by ear.

"Yum Yum Snickety Snacks!" Duke Nukeum

[The Dream Master]

When it comes to IMDB, it's best to just ignore most of the stuff on there (especially as it pertains to upcoming films).

[Just Jeans]

IMDB is about the most untrustworthy site on the internet. At least Wikipedia encourages users to quote sources. :shifty:

Guys, I'm truly sorry I ran somebody off...

You didn't. CNB got tetchy because you didn't agree with him and tossed his toys out of the pram. It's not your fault that a difference of opinion ran someone off. :meh: Don't sweat it.

[Scarecrow]

Freddy drives the entire plot, and he's sort of our narrator for the entire thing. If either character is the "star," I'd say it's Freddy.

I think that's a somewhat unfair comment made by a lot of people.

We have a talkative villain whose always had aims, and has to fight and struggle for his power, whio manipulates dreams and comes from a series with,a t times, fairly complex plots.

We have a silent villain who protects his territory and kills people.

I don't think it makes Freddy the star, it makes it a natural choice. If iots more like NOES then that's because NOES films generally have a plot whilst F13th don't so much.

As you say in the end, I think they both get fair treatment and IMO the film treats them equally by their own standards.

- Scarecrow

[Ron]

I think that Freddy vs Jason felt a lot more like ANOES film then a Friday film. They should have had a lot more Crystal Lake and a bit less Elm street.

[The Dream Master]

I think that's a somewhat unfair comment made by a lot of people.

We have a talkative villain whose always had aims, and has to fight and struggle for his power, whio manipulates dreams and comes from a series with,a t times, fairly complex plots.

We have a silent villain who protects his territory and kills people.

I don't think it makes Freddy the star, it makes it a natural choice. If iots more like NOES then that's because NOES films generally have a plot whilst F13th don't so much.

As you say in the end, I think they both get fair treatment and IMO the film treats them equally by their own standards.

- Scarecrow

I agree with that. I don't care one way or the other which character got to be the "star," really. As you said, it kind of had to be Freddy in this case, just because it's hard to build a story around Jason. If I had to say FvJ was a NOES or Friday film, I'd definately call it a Nightmare film because the story is almost exclusively about Freddy; Jason is no more than a pawn in the beginning, and his story is only advanced in the sense that we see how he gets out of hell.

However, since I don't have to choose either way, it's a sequel to both franchises, and that's all that matters.

[Ron]

Freddy vs Jason was a good movie, but I didn't like how they heroicized Jason. I think it hurt the film.

[Rick]

I think that's a somewhat unfair comment made by a lot of people.

We have a talkative villain whose always had aims, and has to fight and struggle for his power, whio manipulates dreams and comes from a series with,a t times, fairly complex plots.

We have a silent villain who protects his territory and kills people.

I don't think it makes Freddy the star, it makes it a natural choice. If iots more like NOES then that's because NOES films generally have a plot whilst F13th don't so much.

As you say in the end, I think they both get fair treatment and IMO the film treats them equally by their own standards.

- Scarecrow

I agree.
Jason didn't do any less here than he has in his own series and Freddy doesn't really do anymore.

[Ron]

I think the characters in Freddy vs Jason were an akward mix of the characters in both franchises and a little from the modern slashers. There really wasn't anyone that likeable IMO.

[The New Blood]

I think the characters in Freddy vs Jason were an akward mix of the characters in both franchises and a little from the modern slashers. There really wasn't anyone that likeable IMO.

I completely agree. The fact that it had no likeable characters is pretty much the reason why this movie sucks.

[The Tall Man]

I like Freddy and Jason...

and Gibb. Lori's Mom wasn't too annoying.

T.M.

[The Dream Master]

:lol:

I didn't think Linderman was so bad, and I think Stubbs had the potential to be a good character, but he wasn't given enough screen time.

[Deathscythe]

Freddy vs. Jason was alright, much better than that Jason Takes Manhattan trash. Gibb, Linderman, and Deputy Stubbs were ok characters.

[Ron]

Lori's Mom wasn't too annoying.

T.M.
It's kida hard to be annoying when you no longer have a pulse:D

[Speck]

News from Bloody Disgusting.com says they're discussing a Freddy vs Jason vs Michael Myers film...and that's coming from Robert Englund. All I have to say is WTF! :shock:

http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/news/9731

[Rick]

Robert Englund is still talking about this?
He was talking about it as being a real possibility months after Dimension flat out publicly said "NO THANKS", and that was way before they even decided on a remake, way back when H9 was still a possibility even after the dismal box office from H8.
It's not happening. Why is he still talking about it?
And he's in talks with John Carpenter? Carpenter has no say in it anymore. Dimension sends him a cheque because they are using the character he and Deborah created. That's as much involvement as he has in anything to do with Halloween and Michael Myers now.

[Sketch Sanchez]

Will was likeable.

Sure, he couldnt stop smiling, but he wasnt an asshole or anything. In fact, Will and Lori are typical survivors, I dont see how anyone could find them not likeable.

[The Dream Master]

News from Bloody Disgusting.com says they're discussing a Freddy vs Jason vs Michael Myers film...and that's coming from Robert Englund. All I have to say is WTF! :shock:



The two elements of that quote that I've bolded gives you all the information anyone needs to know. Do I even have to warn anyone of the validity of this?

[Speck]

The two elements of that quote that I've bolded gives you all the information anyone needs to know. Do I even have to warn anyone of the validity of this?

Well I'm an amateur when it comes to horror gossip so forgive me if I posted something stupid.

[Rich]

Even Bloody Disgusting themselves said you can't take every piece of news Robert says seriously.

[The Dream Master]

Well I'm an amateur when it comes to horror gossip so forgive me if I posted something stupid.

Nah, I didn't intend to make you feel stupid. It's just sort of an ongoing joke around these parts that BD and Robert Englund are about as unreliable as it gets.

Rich, that's really saying something when even BD says someone is unreliable.

[Rick]

Yah, no offense intended Speck. It's just a lot of us have seen Englund pass around year-old gossip and it's sorta funny.

[The Tall Man]

Even Bloody Disgusting themselves said you can't take every piece of news Robert says seriously.

Pot, I'd like to you meet Kettle.

T.M.

[Rich]

The thing about Robert Englund is that I don't think he passes around lies. When he says he has pitched the idea of FVJVM I believe him that he did. He may not realize, however, that New Line simply can not legally make that movie. I don't think he means to mislead anyone. It seems, at least to me, that he just says whatever he sees happen and most of the time, the ideas that get thrown around wind up in the garbage for various reasons.

[The Dream Master]

Yeah, Englund doesn't intentionally lie. He's just horribly out of the loop. I kind of feel bad for him.

[ChoKo]

In fact, Will and Lori are typical survivors, I dont see how anyone could find them not likeable.

I found them both extremely annoying, as well as generic. Will was your basic, cardboard, run-of-the-mill boyfriend type. Lori was a moron who resembled a blow-up doll, and crammed every female horror character/heroine cliche down our throats.

Not to mention the fact that Ritter and Keena's shitty acting kicked up their annoyance level about 10,000,000 notches.

So, NO, I don't find them likeable at all.

[The New Blood]

I found them both extremely annoying, as well as generic. Will was your basic, cardboard, run-of-the-mill boyfriend type. Lori was a moron who resembled a blow-up doll, and crammed every female horror character/heroine cliche down our throats.

Not to mention the fact that Ritter and Keena's shitty acting kicked up their annoyance level about 10,000,000 notches.

So, NO, I don't find them likeable at all.

I completely agree with this.

[Sketch Sanchez]

So you didnt like their performances and the fact that they are cookie cutter survivors, I can dig that. But nothing about their characters was actually unlikeable, which was my point. Lori wasnt a bitch or a whore, and Will wasnt a douchebag, stoner, or a skeptic. Those are the horror archetypes I find unlikeable, performances aside.

Take Dr. Crews for example (since i had just watched part 7 today), I love the performance, but man was the character a total dick. Nothing to like about him at all.

Am I making sense?

[ChoKo]

So you didnt like their performances and the fact that they are cookie cutter survivors, I can dig that. But nothing about their characters was actually unlikeable, which was my point.

Even if the acting had been tolerable, I still wouldn't have liked them. Call me crazy, but they're not the type of people that I call likeable. It's YOUR opinion that nothing about them was unlikeable. It's MY opinion when I say that I don't like the characters. I apologize if that disturbs you, but I just can't stand them.

Am I making sense? :meh:

[Sketch Sanchez]

Take a chill pill chief, I'm just making conversation.

I dont see how I've implied that someone elses opinion disturbs me.

[ChoKo]

I'm just making conversation.

As am I. I said nothing to insult you with my previous post. Perhaps you're looking too deep into things. Besides, I've already taken my "chill pill" for this evening.

I dont see how I've implied that someone elses opinion disturbs me.

Perhaps "disturbed" was too strong of a word.... But it sure seems like that you want people to like those characters. The bottom line is: I don't mark-out for shit that I don't like, and I'm not as easily entertained as some people.

[Sketch Sanchez]

As am I. I said nothing to insult you with my previous post. Perhaps you're looking too deep into things. Besides, I've already taken my "chill pill" for this evening.

Hahaha, nice one.



Perhaps "disturbed" was too strong of a word.... But it sure seems like that you want people to like those characters....

How so? I've made exactly two posts about them. I wasnt condecending, I wasnt rude, I never even said "you MUST like these two", shit they're hardly my favorite slasher survivors ever, I just dont think they're unlikeable. Good actors? Definitely not.

[Jigsaw]

Yeah, Englund doesn't intentionally lie. He's just horribly out of the loop. I kind of feel bad for him.


I agree. He tells news stories thinking they're real only to be proven otherwise months later. It's not his fault at all, he just tells a lot of bogus news too soon.

[Sketch Sanchez]

Oh and, just in case, I only wrote "Am I making sense?" because I honestly wasnt sure if I was, not out of some net fanboy smarm (which I've experianced myself plenty o' times, I'm sure you have too)

[BlakeTyner]

Sketch,

I think there's just been a misunderstanding. I read your posts as I think you meant them, FWIW.

As to the present discussion, I actually kind of dig FvsJ. It's certainly not my least favorite sequel, and might not even crack in to my "worst 3" list. The leads are a bit bland and the acting is sub-par, even for a slasher flick, but aside from that I like them okay.

~Blake

[ChoKo]

I never even said "you MUST like these two", shit they're hardly my favorite slasher survivors ever, I just dont think they're unlikeable. Good actors? Definitely not.

Fair enough.

Oh and, just in case, I only wrote "Am I making sense?" because I honestly wasnt sure if I was, not out of some net fanboy smarm.

Understood.

(which I've experianced myself plenty o' times, I'm sure you have too)

Indeed I have.

I think there's just been a misunderstanding.

There's no misunderstanding. I disagreed with his posts and I called him on it. Nothing more.

[Sketch Sanchez]

Sketch,

I think there's just been a misunderstanding. I read your posts as I think you meant them, FWIW.

As to the present discussion, I actually kind of dig FvsJ. It's certainly not my least favorite sequel, and might not even crack in to my "worst 3" list. The leads are a bit bland and the acting is sub-par, even for a slasher flick, but aside from that I like them okay.

~Blake

I'm with you dude. Like Tall man has said, considering what they had to do, I think they did a great job. Plus the whole build up to the movie and then seeing it in the theater with my best friend was like geek-orgasm inducing, so its got that going for it. ;)

[The Dream Master]

Whenever someone disses FvJ, I tell them to seek out the other drafts, like the Abernathy script, for example.

For what it was, Freddy vs. Jason turned out great. Could it have been better? Sure. What film couldn't be, save for a very few?

[ChoKo]

Whenever someone disses FvJ, I tell them to seek out the other drafts, like the Abernathy script, for example.

Well, whenever someone marks-out for FVJ, I tell them to look at the other films in the series, and then go back and look how they fucked it up. Even so, why judge FVJ on the rejected scripts? That makes no fucking sense to me. I judge the film itself, based on how well it was made as well as how it fits into both the F13 and NOES series of films, and what I saw sucked, IMO.

For what it was, Freddy vs. Jason turned out great. Could it have been better? Sure. What film couldn't be, save for a very few?

I wish I could say the same, but I can't. I call a spade a spade and a turd a turd. If I wanna see shit, I'll stick my head in the toilet.

[The Dream Master]

It makes sense for me to judge FvJ in comparison to the rejected scripts because I felt the film we got went in a much better direction than those other attempts. Judging from your criteria (how well the film fits in with the rest of the series), I'd say that the rejected scripts would have been severely lacking for yourself. The reason I feel FvJ works because it does fit in well with the other films. Shannon and Swift got both characters right for the most part, which is more than I can say for the other scripts.


Obviously, the final product didn't please everyone. For me, it was a matter of waiting for close to 15 years, and what we got delivered for the most part. It's hardly my favorite film from either series, but I enjoyed it for what it was. It didn't have some fake Jason running around, nor did it featuring the two characters boxing or being pawns of Satan--it was solely focused on the two title characters, they fought, and now we've moved on (hopefully).

[The Tall Man]

I gotta question DM... did you adopt the attitude towards the scripts because I did that or did we just happen to adopt identical attitudes seperately? :)

(I mean, cause you know... shit's shit and that's that. Kudos to Swift and Shannon for having some semblance of common sense. "Hey, let's not ignore any entries from either series" "Wow. What a novel idea!")

T.M.

[ChoKo]

I don't care about the rejected scripts because they were just that; rejected, and rightfully so. You're right, the rejected scripts were awful, but I'm not using them to try and make the final FVJ product look better. In comparing the Shannon/Swift script to the other drafts, the Shannon/Swift script is better, but that's not saying much. The script that was used took liberties with the characters (Freddy in particular) and contained its fair share of dumb ideas.

[BlakeTyner]

We're getting complaints about this thread.

I suggest reading the announcement about attitude - Announcement (http://www.f13-community.co.uk/board/announcement.php?f=26)

That announcement isn't a request.



~Blake

[The Dream Master]

TM, I've had this position since I saw the film the second time in theaters with a friend who didn't like it much. I didn't really care that he didn't like it, but I did mention to him that it could have been a lot worse had NLC rushed the film into production with the first script they got.

For all the shit that NLC (wrongly) gets, they should also be commended for taking their time to get a script that actually made sense. The only rejected script that had an idea that I really liked was the one that brought back Alice, Stephen, and Jessica (the Briggs script, I think), but even that script was lacking.

I don't care about the rejected scripts because they were just that; rejected, and rightfully so. You're right, the rejected scripts were awful, but I'm not using them to try and make the final FVJ product look better. In comparing the Shannon/Swift script to the other drafts, the Shannon/Swift script is better, but that's not saying much. The script that was used took liberties with the characters (Freddy in particular) and contained its fair share of dumb ideas.

For one thing, my original post on this subject was mostly in jest. I have no problems if someone didn't like Freddy vs. Jason--I don't need anyone else besides myself to validate my enjoyment of it. As I've said before, I'm happy with the script we got in comparison to the rejected ones, but I like it on its own, too. However, as someone who followed this project intently for the better part of five years, it's hard for me to divorce my thoughts on the final product in regards to the rejected scripts. I am grateful that we ended up with something we got because, as I said before, the other scripts would have left a bitter taste in my mouth.

That said, I would have enjoyed Freddy vs. Jason anyway had I never had any prior knowledge of the film's development.

[ChoKo]

All of those scripts were lacking in some way, even the Shannon/Swift one, IMO.

[The Dream Master]

Yes, it is. Don't get me wrong, it's not a perfect script by any means. I still enjoy the film as a whole. This doesn't mean my opinion won't change over time, but right now I consider FvJ to be a solid entry for both series.

[NW77]

Yes, it is. Don't get me wrong, it's not a perfect script by any means. I still enjoy the film as a whole. This doesn't mean my opinion won't change over time, but right now I consider FvJ to be a solid entry for both series.

Same here. FvJ wasn't perfect & some of the acting were quite bland, but I can tolerate it than JGTH & JX. Those 2 last films made Jason nothing but a joke of a gimmick. With FvJ, they got rid of those silly body hopping & Jason becoming Lord Zedd. And I got to say the FvJ that was made is better than some of the other rejected scripts were too stupid. I mean, Freddy & Jason in a boxing ring with Ted Bundy as a ring announcer?!? Not to mention I also hate the other one that place in 17th or 18th Italy. Oh yeah, the one where they took on Thanos (which is suppose to be the devil, I believe) suck too. FvJ isn't an Oscar type of movie & just made for entertainment. I can deal with that. ;)

[Kane Lives]

I may be alone, but I think I actually enjoyed JGTH more than FVJ. lol


Yeah, FVJ could have been worse (specifically the Abernathy "script"), but it always nags at me that it could have been so much more. At least IMO.

I felt the same way about AVP. After such a long wait and the blending of both of these franchises, I was hoping for something a little better than what it ended up being. For my tastes, FVJ became so generic at a certain point that it became hard for me to find it entertaining.

[ChoKo]

I may be alone, but I think I actually enjoyed JGTH more than FVJ. lol


Yeah, FVJ could have been worse (specifically the Abernathy "script"), but it always nags at me that it could have been so much more. At least IMO.

I felt the same way about AVP. After such a long wait and the blending of both of these franchises, I was hoping for something a little better than what it ended up being. For my tastes, FVJ became so generic at a certain point that it became hard for me to find it entertaining.

Well said. I agree with you 100%

[The New Blood]

I may be alone, but I think I actually enjoyed JGTH more than FVJ. lol


I think JGTH is way better than FvJ. Hell, I even like JX a little better than FvJ.

[Sketch Sanchez]

Just thinking about Jason X makes me mad, its the only movie in the series that I walked out of the theater hating.

[Just Jeans]

I can't remember who wrote it, but I have to admit to really enjoying the "Jason on trial" script. I wish I still had it, I'd like to re-read it. It wasn't perfect, it seemed to be set outside the continuity of the Friday the 13th series (which I believe was a series of films within the film), but it had a sort of Wes Craven's New Nightmare vibe about it, and as far as Freddy vs. Jason is concerned, that would have been alright by me.

Freddy forcing his way into the real word using Jason's body was neat, and the sequence on the highway was brutal. With a couple of re-writes, it could have been a good movie.

[ChoKo]

Now that you mention it Jeans, out of all the rejected scripts, I found myself favoring that one more than the others. Not that any of them were all that great, but that one always stood out to me for some reason. The only thing I really didn't like about it was the finale in the shopping mall.

[DRE]

Jeans, the Freddy vs. Jason script you speak of was written by Brannon Braga and Ronald D. Moore (Yes, they of Star Trek and BSG fame.)

You can read it and some of the others here:

http://nightmareonelmstreetfilms.com/nightmare8scripts.html

I remember reading the one from the writer of "The Cell" (A movie I hated, by the way) and man, was that guy ever one note. The whole thing played like that film all over again.

[Just Jeans]

That's right, it was the Braga/Moore script. That was actually the script that I liked the most, and the one I would have liked to see produced -- assuming, of course, that it had undergone at least one rewrite to fix some of the problems.

Thanks for the link, DRE. :)

The only thing I really didn't like about it was the finale in the shopping mall.

That was my least favorite portion of the script as well. Doesn't Jason end up facing off against an Uber Jason standee that is turned real by Freddy? That bit really didn't jive.

[The Tall Man]

With those scripts, it wasn't "FREDDY vs. JASON". It was Demon-impersonating-Freddy against... um... well Not-Jason. Some brand new character we have no connection to.

Our Freddy vs. Our Jason is all that movie should have been.

T.M.

[Kane Lives]

The only one of the previous scripts that I had any fun reading was the Briggs script, simply because it combined characters from the previous Nightmare and Friday movies.

The writing wasn't really that bad in the Aibel/Berger draft, but I didn't want to see them repeat the New Nightmare formula in FVJ.

I appreciated the ambition of the Braga/Moore script, but it just went in a too far out direction for me to say that I really liked it.

I never got to read the Reiff/Voris draft or the ones done by Mark Protosevich and Mark Verheiden.


The worst of the rejected scripts was IMO the Lewis Abernathy one.

[Just Jeans]

The Lewis Abernathy script was an abortion from page one. Really just the most awful thing I've ever read.

I still say the Braga/Moore script could have made a good film with a couple of rewrites and an adjustment here or there (remove the element of "Jason is real and the films are based on him" and the shopping mall finale).

[The Dream Master]

The Braga/Moore script was a real curiosity for me, personally. It was an interesting premise, to be sure, but it was just all wrong for FvJ.

The Abernathy script, however, has very few (if any) redeeming qualities.

[DRE]

I just want to know what was in Rob Bottin's thirty page outline.

[The Dream Master]

Good call, Dre. I'm guessing that there's probably even more scripts/treatments out there that still haven't seen the light of day. I mean, according to Robert Englund, "the guy from Blade" was slated to helm it for a while, so he must have had something, too.

[Cody]

I just want to know what was in Rob Bottin's thirty page outline.

I'm pretty sure it had the set-up of the Aibel/Berger draft, which was done while he was still attached.

[Kane Lives]

Yeah, I seem to recall Fangoria saying that Aibel/Berger's drafts came from Bottin's treatment.

Possibly the Goyer/Robinson draft also, but I'd have to double check that.

[The Tall Man]

I gotta come out and say Abernathy's p.o.s. was a little better than Briggs and here's why...

Briggs' script was the most incoherent piece of crap I've ever read. I literally could NOT tell you what happened in that script to save my life. You'd just have to kill me.

Meanwhile, dumbassery as it is, Abernathy's script is followable.

Can you believe that guy actually makes movies????

T.M.

[Kane Lives]

I seem to recall Briggs' script having far too many focal points:


Alice/Jacob, Steven/Jessica/Stephanie, The FBI, a group of cultists, of course Freddy and Jason, and then finally the Thanos character. It was just too much.

It jumped back and forth too often and was indeed pretty incoherent.

[The Dream Master]

Yeah, that's pretty much what was going on in Briggs's script. The script overall was terrible, but his head was in the right place when it came to bringing back the survivors from each franchise. By the time FvJ was actually made, it wasn't possible to follow through on that.

[Cody]

Yeah, I seem to recall Fangoria saying that Aibel/Berger's drafts came from Bottin's treatment.

Possibly the Goyer/Robinson draft also, but I'd have to double check that.

Yeah, Goyer/Robinson were working from Bottin's treatment as well.

I asked Goyer if I might could get my hands on a copy of that draft but, as expected, got no reply. :shy:

[Darth Sinister]

Well, I've talked with Peter Briggs and he said that he was never that fond of either Freddy or Jason. So while he did research things, he didn't have the passion for the story as he probably should've. That said, I enjoyed his story. It wasn't perfect, but he had some good ideas in there. I liked that he had Jason wearing a chrome mask and that I thought it was cool, if a bit contradictory that the Voorhees clan lived in Springwood and took part in Freddy's burning. To get back at them in particular, he turned Jason into what he is. And I liked the ending where the FBI agent goes back in time and changes history so that Freddy is convicted and Jason never becomes like he did. But that's just me.

I read bits of the other drafts and felt that they were...not that good.

Anyway, I think there should be a prequel/sequel type story. It avoids the need for a remake, but can fill in the background while adding to the present. I've got an idea, but I dunno if I should talk about it in here or another thread.

[The Tall Man]

And I liked the ending where the FBI agent goes back in time and changes history so that Freddy is convicted and Jason never becomes like he did. But that's just me.
Yeah. I found that atrocious.

T.M.

[101ant101]

im kinda glad that, Friday The 13th is getting remade;)

[NW77]

im kinda glad that, Friday The 13th is getting remade;)

Umm....F13th isn't being remade. It all just talk, so who know what the new film will be.

[simonthekillerewok]

After the success of Rob Zombie's 'Halloween' it most probably will be remade/"re-imagined" and this was the idea they had that has not said to have changed. At this point I can't decide whether a remake is good or not, I guess if Jonathan Liebesman is still set to direct it then it's a bad thing to me because I don't want it to look like Texas Chainsaw Massacre the Beginning and Liebesman's most likely choice for Jason would be Andrew Bryniarski which would not work at all.

The dangers of a remake is that with today's bad style of flashy filmmaking we'd have fast editing that would damage tension, CGI gore, an over explained back story (TCM: the beginning) and stupid green/blue lighting as well as a director that would ask their actress/actresses to act as unlikeable cocky people to seem cool even though the majority of teenagers are not actually like that so as a result of all this we could end up with something worse then Freddy vs Jason.

The positive aspects to remaking this franchise in my opinion it is that it can make either Jason or Pamela scary again in the correct location of Crystal Lake and not 400 years later in outer space. I think the series was quite damaged by Jason X that we may need to start over unless some new great sequel idea can save it. I'm not a fan of remakes but you start to wonder with all the crap that Jason has been written into, that a remake might be a good thing.

[Killa Pimp]

The dangers of a remake is that with today's bad style of flashy film making we'd have fast editing that would damage tension, CGI gore, an over explained back story (TCM: the beginning) and stupid green/blue lighting as well as a director that would ask their actress/actresses to act as unlikeable cocky people to seem cool even though the majority of teenagers are not actually like that so as a result of all this we could end up with something worse then Freddy vs Jason


Ah yes, the MTV effect.:)

[Darth Sinister]

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g92/darth-sinister/Insults/2342467.jpg

[NETRA]

Ah yes, the MTV effect.:)

Or the video game effect. A lot of young directors started out working in gaming and their style reflects that.

[Cody]

EXCL: New Friday the 13th Writers Hired (http://www.shocktillyoudrop.com/news/topnews.php?id=1381)


Strap on your hockey masks one more time, Voorhees disciples, 'cause we've got the exclusive news on Platinum Dunes' long-mooted Friday the 13th film that you've been waiting for.

A reliable tipster phoned in this evening (and this source is 100% solid gold, baby) to tell us Dunes is putting their proposed Friday the 13th on the pre-strike roster with the aim to begin shooting sometime in early 2008. The Dunes team, Brad Fuller and Andrew Form, we've been told, have also officially locked a new pair of writers to tackle the property...Damian Shannon and Mark Swift.

This duo, we're sure you recall, ultimately won out and penned 2003's successful Freddy vs. Jason after New Line had spent years developing the big screen battle royale. Platinum Dunes has faced its share of struggle dragging a new Friday the 13th out of the mire; early drafts by Mark Wheaton (The Messengers) were mulled over and abandoned, and Jonathan Liebesman (The Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Beginning) was attached as a director. No word yet if Liebesman is still attached - we hope to bring you word on that soon.

[Erik]

I have no idea how I feel about this. FvsJ was horribly written, but I don't know how much of that was due to all of the rewrites or if it was just the fault of Shannon and Swift.

[The Dream Master]

I think this is pretty good news, myself. It's just good to see some movement on the project.

[Gringo Loco]

EXCL: New Friday the 13th Writers Hired (http://www.shocktillyoudrop.com/news/topnews.php?id=1381)


I feel like I just died and gone to hell.

[The New Blood]

Since FvJ is my least favorite of the series, I'm not to thrilled about this.

[The Tall Man]

I have no idea how I feel about this. FvsJ was horribly written, but I don't know how much of that was due to all of the rewrites or if it was just the fault of Shannon and Swift.
Lots of it was "polished" by David Goyer who was sleeping with Stokley Chaffin. The only really bad part of Shannon & Swift's script was the end fight which consisted of Freddy running from Jason and pleading for his life. Everything else before that was pretty damned well written.

T.M.

[NW77]

Lots of it was "polished" by David Goyer who was sleeping with Stokley Chaffin. The only really bad part of Shannon & Swift's script was the end fight which consisted of Freddy running from Jason and pleading for his life. Everything else before that was pretty damned well written.



Yeah. I want to see what their writings is like if no one get in their way & mess up their script like Sean Cunningham did to Todd Farmer's original Jason X script. I can understand many dislike their work on FvJ, but we don't know which part of the movie they didn't wrote & whatnot. But at least it's not Liebesmen

[Kane Lives]

Not thrilled by this news at all.

I've always found even their original script for FVJ to be pretty mediocre.

[ChoKo]

Not thrilled by this news at all. I felt even their original script for FVJ was pretty mediocre.

Agreed. I wasn't a fan of their script at all.

IMO, their original draft was worse before Goyer polished it. Still, the final draft wasn't anything special, either. I don't blame Goyer for this, however, because no matter how hard you try, you can't polish a turd; at the end of the day, it's still shit.

Goyer's script was basically the same story, only shorter. (However, he did add the shitty "Freddy died by fire, Jason by water; how can we use that?" line; and he also added Jason's 'fear' of water.) Like someone else mentioned, he did improve the final fight scene drastically.

Like I said, it's still the same mediocre script, only shorter.

Needless to say, I'm not happy about this at all.

[Jigsaw]

I never read the original FVJ script that Swift and Shannon wrote, but I hope this movie isn't anything like FVJ :meh:

Personally, I wish New Line would make contact with James Wan and Leigh Whannell (Saw) to get involved with the next F13 and create it. I think they'd treat Jason and the series with a lot of respect and give us a worthy film, be it another installment or a remake.

[freako104]

Some info on writers for the remake

http://horror-101.com/

[Germaniac]

Hell yeah!

Shannon & Swift´s FvsJ script rocked the house. I can´t believe some people here are critizising it. Have you guys read the (thankfully) abandoned Fvs scripts by abernathy, Braga and co.?

[simonthekillerewok]

This could ultimately be a good thing, I mean maybe we won't have everything explained away like the original concept that the others had. They were asking dumb questions like who is Jason- is he a demon? what is crystal lake? that sort of crap can hopefully be forgotten in Shannon and Swift's script. And when you look at Freddy vs Jason there are many moments where there were homages to the other films- the sack put on young Jason's head, Freddy doing similar stuff to how he did in the original nightmare and other sequels- how sweat dark meat. This means that they may want to please the fans by adding many characteristics of the first four movies. I think these guys are an improvement over the other script plan.

The only thing I'm afraid of is if they don't make it scary and start writing in too many fight scenes into it

[Utellme]

You might as well forget scary, Everyone goes on about the new Halloween not being scary.Scary is long gone we all have seen hundreds of horror movies and after numerous sequels scary goes right out the window.Scary does not exist after your 8 years old for these movies my brother has watched these films with me and he's 12 theres none of it that will scare him nothing since he was 8.If you want scary just turn it on CNN.

And i do hope theres some type of prequel to the next movie to explain some of the past.

[francesco]

Hi guys,

thanks to CODY (nice buddy) i've found u again.

The news is great! can't wait! hope the strike won't screw up everything.

[Rich]

You can make a movie scary. When I showed my friends the classic Fridays they have never seen they jump and are pulled into the suspense and such and so fourth. I mean, maybe out hair will not rise on the back of our necks, but you can keep us in suspense, and makes up jump, and even still make our heart rate rise, which was proven by Final Destination 2. You always can make a movie scary, but you need suspense. That is the key, because a murder scene itself is not scary, it is the seconds or minute(s) leading up to it that are.

I don't need or want concrete explanations either. Give Jason speculation by different characters in the story but don't make anything conrete. Part of the reason Jason of the early films really worked is because he was so mysterious. You did not really know if he was human or back from the dead super human, hence our debates on it.

francesco, Welcome to our new humble abode.

[Rick]

Humm ,I'm sure happy to see momentum on this moving forward again although we are still a long way IF this rumour even proves to be true.
I really hope these guys can turn out a great script. I do blame David Goyer for the majority of crap that was in FvsJ but I do like that movie for the relatively simple way they brought Freddy and Jason together, which IMO was a lot better than any of the other FvsJ scripts tried to do it.
I love FvsJ despite all of the bad parts because it's a fun movie.
I just hope these guys can make a serious film out of this.
When all else is said, at least these guys are fans of the series.
Now we just have to confirm that it's true.

[Erik]

Now they just need to get a better director.

[Rick]

Maybe Leibesman will be busy.

[Erik]

We can only hope so.

[NW77]

Now they just need to get a better director.

Yep. Hopefully not Liebsmen. I don't want to see stupid shakey camera like he use for TCM: The Beginning. :shifty:

[The Tall Man]

Like someone else mentioned, he did improve the final fight scene drastically.
Goyer did not re-write the final battle. To my understanding, that was all Yu's doing. He jettisoned what was written in favor of the far more stylish Hong Kong-y throwdown.

T.M.

[DRE]

I said it a million times before Zombieween opened, expect some movement on Friday in September. And I'll curse us again, expect Elm Street to be announced next year after the strike.

As much as I hate Freddy vs. Jason, I'm pleased with the Shannon/Swift news. They at least knew what Jason was about, unlike the other FvsJ writers (And the damn director of the film.) I only ask that they take it seriously, get creative with the kills and don't pussy Jason out like FvsJ did. Keep damn Liebesman and Bryniarski far away from this film, we already have to deal with Steve Jablonsky's one note score.

[Jigsaw]

I completely agree on keeping away Liebesman and Bryniarski. I don't mind Steve Jablonsky scoring the film, I like his work, but I would prefer if they got Harry Manfredini or Charlie Clouser for the score.

[Erik]

...I would prefer if they got Harry Manfredini...

Me too, if he could bring something new to it. Maybe update the style he used in the F13 movies a bit while still keeping the same tone and feeling.

[Kane Lives]

I can´t believe some people here are critizising it. Have you guys read the (thankfully) abandoned Fvs scripts by abernathy, Braga and co.?


I've read all of the scripts that are online.

But, rejected scripts done by other writers, have no bearing on my opinion of Shannon and Swift's work.

[Jigsaw]

Me too, if he could bring something new to it. Maybe update the style he used in the F13 movies a bit while still keeping the same tone and feeling.


I agree. I'd especially love it if he were to create a Part 2-esque score for the remake or next film, as Part 2's score is my favorite of the series.

If Manfredini can't return, then Charlie Clouser would be my second pick. His work on the Saw movies was incredible and I think he could come up with some great stuff for the next F13.

[ChoKo]

I can´t believe some people here are critizising it.

No matter what script they went with, it was gonna be criticized. People have a right to their personal opinions. It's called "free will."

Keep damn Liebesman and Bryniarski far away from this film.

I couldn't agree with this statement more.

[Killa Pimp]

Looks like its a remake::meh:

http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/news/9931

http://www.moviehole.net/news/20070918_thursday_the_12th.html

Oh what the hell: here is the movie hole link below:

Thursday the 12th?
Date : September 18, 2007 Posted By : Clint Morris

They’ve been talking about doing another “Friday the 13th” movie – talk is mostly of the ‘remake’ or ‘Freddy Vs. Jason 2’ variety – for as long as I’ve been out of diapers (which, shit… must be about eighteen months or more now!). Today, some solids on the long-mooted movie.

According to Shock Til You Drop, “Freddy Vs. Jason” writers Damian Shannon and Mark Swift will reunite with the hockey-masked half of that tag-team for the Michael Bay produced remake/reimaginging/prequel.

I found it kinda strange that they’d still be considering a remake… and not just extended the series we know and, kinda, love… especially after the severely lukewarm reception that Rob Zombie’s “Halloween” remake received.

Another one for the “What the fuck?” files.

[Cody]

Looks like its a remake::meh:

It was already pretty clear that that was basically what we were getting back when Platinum Dunes came aboard oh so long ago... They said (http://www.chud.com/index.php?type=news&id=8452) what the project is back in January, a mix and match of the early films into one -

“The title will be Friday the 13th. So we’re now going to bring in a new writer, Jonathan Liebesman is going to direct, and we’re going to pull from the first three movies.”

(Possibly the first four, since they go on to namedrop Tommy Jarvis.) Now they've got the writers to put their mixmaster intentions on the page, and 8 months to get the movie made before the doomsday strike.

[DRE]

Someone PLEASE give Liebesman and Ronny Yu a film to start early next year so they can have nothing to do with this one...please.

[Jigsaw]

Someone PLEASE give Liebesman and Ronny Yu a film to start early next year so they can have nothing to do with this one...please.


I'm hoping the same. I still have my fingers crossed that James Wan might get involved to direct the next F13.

[Gringo Loco]

Someone PLEASE give Liebesman and Ronny Yu a film to start early next year so they can have nothing to do with this one...please.


Amen.

And I also hope it this does not turn out like the TCM remake or it's sequel. I hated both of those.

[Erik]

Amen.

And I also hope it this does not turn out like the TCM remake or it's sequel. I hated both of those.

I've never seen TCM The Beginning but I think the remake gets a bad rap. It was fun. I enjoyed it about as much as I did the Dawn of the Dead remake. It was certainly better than Zombieween.

[Utellme]

I wouldn't say people criticizising is as much about free will as it is to fit in or something some people do about everything.

And as far as not giving us no back information does this mean the image of Jason drownding in part 1 should of not been in there ? does that mean all the stuff Jason's mom tell us about Jason should not be in there ? And the stuff the truck driver tells Annie ?

Theres back info in every single Friday the 13th movie i love it and so do a lot of other people.But now all of a sudden its considered being spoon fed well then get millions of the worlds hugest spoons ready. Going to see a movie thats confusing and loses you yeah that sounds fun.Then again maybe this is just a thing to say to fit in with the everything criticizers.

[Gringo Loco]

I've never seen TCM The Beginning but I think the remake gets a bad rap. It was fun. I enjoyed it about as much as I did the Dawn of the Dead remake. It was certainly better than Zombieween.


That's funny because I feel the exact opposite of Zombieween and the TCM remake.

[DRE]

I wouldn't say people criticizising is as much about free will as it is to fit in or something some people do about everything.



Well, I can tell you now, I'm the fuckin' Batman of fandom, I do my own thing...and I still hate Freddy vs. Jason with a bloody passion!

[Utellme]

I liked that film i like all 11 and have them on dvd

[DRE]

The sad thing is...I also have it on DVD (As well as another film I loathe, "I Still Know..." what can I say, I'm a completist) and still watch it when I do marathons. My devotion to Master Englund is the only thing brings me to that film.

[Utellme]

Yeah thats part of my problem also im a completist also.I have all the Halloweens .TCMS.NOES also on dvd.

[Kane Lives]

My compulsion to be a completist led me to buy all the Jason X novels. :X

[The Dream Master]

Guys, I bought Halloween Ressurrection not once, but twice because someone fucked up my first copy. I've never watched the fixed copy. That's being a completist to the extreme.

[Deathscythe]

I down own any of them on DVD, I'm hardcore.

[The Dream Master]

You're the anti-completist, content to be complete in your incompletion.