A Nightmare on Elm Street 5: The Dream Child

[BlakeTyner]

Alice has a kid.

~BT

[CanadianFonzie]

the main reason I don't like this one is because every time I watch it, I start to doze off because it's not boring, but it moves along kind of slow Alice naked in the beginning was definetally my favourite part, but you couldn't really see anything though but this movie is good to rent every once and a while if I start to miss it

[Wheatjedi]

I need to go pick up the VHS for this one. I have the DVD box set, but the VHS supposedly has footage not found on the DVD. There's a store in Dallas that I know has a few copies.

[Dead Cell]

My favorite part in the movie? Alice's dad makes a passing reference to her brother, Rick. Nice to know that all those people killed in part 4 are still remembered... even if they don't like to talk about it much.

I don't know. It's an okay flick, but again, I'm just not a fan of Freddy when he's busting out nothing but stupid jokes. I'm all for an evil one-liner here and there, but the puns have *got* to stop.

Although I do love the way he says, "It's - (slightest of pauses) - Super Freddy." SLASH!!!

As for the rest of the cast- I like Alice, Dan, Mark, Yvonne, Greta, actually, I wound up liking this entire cast. Yeah. So it wasn't them. I don't know. It's been a while, maybe I should give this one a watch again. See if I can't pin it down a little more.

[Deathscythe]

I happened to find this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7QUjHaZ4Nc&mode=related&search=) video on youtube. Brings back memories, I'm in the mood to rewatch this movie now.

[The Tall Man]

I slapped this together the other day so it's not one of my finer works. But it's a more truth-in-advertisement poster for Nightmare 5.

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/7276/nightmare5morose.th.jpg (http://img106.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nightmare5morose.jpg)

T.M.

[Jigsaw]

NOES5 is okay, but definitely one of the weaker installments of the series IMO. It feels very rushed and slapped together, and like it's not nearly what it could've been.

[Esten]

Dream Child is very rushed and slapped together. ;)

SAD PEOPLE

[Jigsaw]

It has a very good concept, but the execution is pretty weak. Had they waited another year to release it, I don't doubt it would've been much better.

[Lance Lives]

I kinda like this one. It has good parts (the ending confrontation) and bad parts (Super Freddy...). I love the character of Alice so maybe that's what makes me have a soft spot for this one.

[The Dream Master]

OMG greatest poster evar!

You know what I find more hilarious? The fact that this thread only had five posts in it before all of this. You guys really don't like Nightmare 5, do you?

[DRE]

I like Dream Child, it's not my favorite and Freddy is a clown (Far less than in Freddy's Dead though), but I think Hopkins made it look good in a dark gothic way and it tackled a serious subject.

I make it a point to watch it every now and again, a fun double feature with Dream Master.

Oh, by the way, David Miller's make-up sucks ass. :D

[Esten]

Oh, by the way, David Miller's make-up sucks ass.

Does it ever not?

Tally and I were watching Rocky II last night, and the scene with Beast cologne came on, and I'm all like "Did David Miller do Rocky's makeup here?" :-X

[Deathscythe]

Didn't Miller do the original? I liked the makeup in the original.

Anyway, I swear I've heard Rocky 2 being mentioned at least 4 times today.

[The Dream Master]

Yeah, Miller was on the first one. The make up there is alright, but there are some shots where Freddy looks plain weird.

And I really don't think the makeup in Freddy's Dead is all that bad.

[Deathscythe]

I did, he looked like a human pizza to me.

[The Dream Master]

Anything that makes me want to think about pizza can't be that bad of a thing. ;)

[El Rooto]

Is that why you think your chosen screenname is cooler than "Dream Warrior"?

[The Dream Master]

Yep, same as above. Anything that makes me think of Lisa Wilcox can't be that bad of a thing. :shy:

That, and the soul pizza fucking pwns.

[Esten]

http://i10.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/95/97/0d07_1.JPG

1's makeup is a bit odd compared to what we're familiar with in what Yagher created. He looks like a leper or something in full light.

[Deathscythe]

Anything that makes me want to think about pizza can't be that bad of a thing. ;)

It is when your hungry and don't have any money.:shifty:

[DRE]

I actually thought his original make-up was better than what he did later, possibly including New Nightmare.

My main problem with his Freddy work is that it's too....dry. Perhaps if he slimed it up a bit, made it more fleshy and less rubbery it would have been better. I can't even imagine what Yagher could have done with the New Nightmare design, it would have been outstanding.

[The Dream Master]

New Nightmare is probably my least favorite make-up design, as it looks far too rubbery and "dry" (that's the perfect way to describe it, Dre).

Anyway, Yagher FTW.

[Scarecrow]

Every time Yagher gets brought up I have to weep a little inside for Hellraiser: Bloodline. Poor guy.

Anyway, I'd say my favoutire Freddy look is probably the Dream Warriors / DReam Master although of course both styles in FvJ are excellent.


- Scarecrow

[Jigsaw]

My favorite Freddy make-up designs are New Nightmare, Freddy's Revenge, Dream Warriors, Nightmare 1 and the FVJ Demon make-up.

[TalbotLives]

This is one of the middle tier Elm Streets for me. The dark, gothic mood was great, the concept was really interesting (although the screenplay could have used maybe one more rewrite), I liked pretty much all of the characters (even Yvonne) and I even think Lisa Wilcox was better here than in The Dream Master.

The problem, as others here have stated before, is that every time Freddy shows up, he pisses all over everything. The one-liners he spouts off continually really hurt The Dream Child, even more than they did in Freddy's Dead, because in that film, terrible as it was, the jokes didn't completely offset the tone of the rest of the movie.

It's a shame, because there are glimpses of a good movie here. If Freddy had been more like he was in his first scene with Amanda, hissing and growling "We'll see, bitch..." and they had tweaked the script just a little more, this might have turned out to be one of the better sequels in the franchise.

[Jigsaw]

I agree with all of that, TalbotLives. The movie has a great gothic feel to it and the murky and drab look it has in contrast with the overly bright and colorful look that TDM had is also great, but it's a shame that Freddy here is so cartoonish and over-the-top, because every time he shows up, he basically ruins the mood, which is a shame because he should've been the topping to what could've been a great NOES film.

[TalbotLives]

Yep...the setting practically demanded the kind of Freddy we saw in the first two films, IMO...maybe still getting a good line off here and there, but predominantly pissed off and evil.

[The Dream Master]

The dude is trying to possess an unborn baby--that's pretty fucking evil. The fact that he's so damn happy about it makes it all the more fucked up to me. :)

[Jigsaw]

It's so awkward seeing Freddy as cartoonish as he is in Nightmares 4-6. In Nightmares 1-3 and New Nightmare, he's the epitome of evil, and watching 4-6 and seeing him so humorous is so odd :meh: The type of setting and atmosphere TDC has definitely called for a much darker and nastier Freddy. There's times Freddy is very cruel in this film, but he goes so overboard with his humor and puns that it completely kills everything.

[TalbotLives]

The dude is trying to possess an unborn baby--that's pretty fucking evil. The fact that he's so damn happy about it makes it all the more fucked up to me. :)

Like I said before...I love the concept. Freddy trying to take Alice's baby was a great idea, and very evil, I agree. I just wish his lines didn't all seem to have been written by Henny Youngman.

[Rich]

I know what you mean, Jigsaw. It is almost like The Dream Child Freddy is the split personality Freddy. I loved his laugh in this movie though.

[Utellme]

Its hard for me to set through this one its dark ,depressing ,confusing to me.

[Don]

This was the first NOES movie I ever saw. So I cant completely hate it. Its not as bad as six, or that truly Godawful piece of shit thats callled 2

[Ron]

This movie is sooo boring to me.

[nottidelterrore]

This is my least favourite Nightmare film. I used to hate it but think it's ok nowadays. I liked the character of Mark a good bit.

[The One and Only]

I thought Miller's make-up in the flick was pretty good. Now if we're talking about the make-up Freddy's Dead with it's amatuer hour, there is something to gripe about. Old Freddy looked really wicked right after his resurrection scene, as he disappeared into the mist saying to his mother , "We'll see bitch. We'll see..." Hopkins and his crew really seemd to enjoy working on this flick from what I saw on the DVD. And despite all the diffiulties in making it, I think it's still a decent effort. Much like some now look at Alien 3 as a diamond in the rough, likewise with The Dream Child. Lots of great atmosphere with the gothic architecture, and even the score helps to set the dark mood this flick was going for. Although complaints about Freddy's endless stream of jokes and one-liners are valid. I always looked at it as Krueger adding insult to the certain death he's about to deliver to his victims.

[Jigsaw]

The Freddy make-ups in this film and Freddy's Dead are by far my least favorite Freddy make-ups, by a long shot. It looked like they didn't even try.

[Scarecrow]

The jokes to me, ruined the film. I know Freddy loves to tell them but justifying it to mourselevs doens't change the fact that its horribly jarring with the film that seems to want to be darker and mroe disturbing. There's a plot but its vague and Freddy literally seems to struggle toe xplain any of it cause he's so depserate to make more jokes. It undoes a lot of the good work the atmosphere attempted, IMO.


- Scarecrow

[Esten]

5 had too many damned writers. Too many cooks in the kitchen, and not enough dishes that won't knock you out.


The Freddy make-ups in this film and Freddy's Dead are by far my least favorite Freddy make-ups, by a long shot. It looked like they didn't even try.

It's almost as if David Miller did the makeup in those fi-- oh.

[Kane Lives]

Freddy's makeup aside, I thought the first hour of The Dream Child was decent. It's the last act that I can't stand. I feel it didn't pull things together well at all.

[Hypnocil]

Okay people...can someone help me out? Or am I crazy?

In the VHS for Nightmare 5...I believe mine is the unrated VHS...in the scene where Yvonne has found Amanda, and is approaching her, does she call out, "Sister Amanda?"

I've only watched the DVD version once since I purchased the box-set back in 2000, it was with a friend. I kept telling him to wait for the "Sister Amanda?" line...but it never showed up! Was I imagining that line being spoken? Was it removed from the DVD?

[Utellme]

Its not on my DVD either Esten or DM will be the ones who would know this ?



Also out of all the NOES this is the weakest one for me, I like it but its my least favorite.

[SlasherFreak]

Its not on my DVD either Esten or DM will be the ones who would know this ?



Also out of all the NOES this is the weakest one for me, I like it but its my least favorite.

Esten and DM want to go to bed with Freddy...not sure if they wanna do it at the same time though :D

Haha, for real though, the recent surge of the Elm Street threads made me realize I havent watched any of these flicks in a long long time, might pop the first one in tonight and watch the series from night to night.

[Chucky's back]

One of my favorite Nightmare moves. I prefer it over part 4. I love the scene where Freddy shows up with dislocated limbs and far form anatomically correct after having been torn to bits by the nutjobs. Lots of other great special effects to enjoy here as well.

[The Dream Master]

I've only watched the DVD version once since I purchased the box-set back in 2000, it was with a friend. I kept telling him to wait for the "Sister Amanda?" line...but it never showed up! Was I imagining that line being spoken? Was it removed from the DVD?

I could be wrong, but I think it's there on the DVD, but it's mixed in really low in the soundtrack, which makes it hard to hear. I also want to say that the subtitles have that line in it.

[Hypnocil]

Thanks. Glad to know I'm not crazy, unlike Yvonne who thought a woman locked away before she was born was still alive. :p

[Rich]

My only problem with the Nightmare 5 DVD is that Freddy's laugh is chopped in half during the motorcycle scene. That is the best Freddy laugh in the whole movie and the DVD managed to screw it up. That misses me off to this day.

[nottidelterrore]

I read on IMDb(so I don't know how accurate it is) that "School's out, Krueger!" was a replacement for "Fuck you, Krueger!" Too bad because I would've died hearing Jacob say that to Freddy.

[Deathscythe]

I read on IMDb(so I don't know how accurate it is) that "School's out, Krueger!" was a replacement for "Fuck you, Krueger!" Too bad because I would've died hearing Jacob say that to Freddy.

If I remember correctly theres some type of rule with kids swearing in films. Oh well

Anyway, I'm glad this thread got bumped. I always loved this film but this thread always dies quickly.

[nottidelterrore]

That's what IMdb said about about the line. Whitby Hertford wasn't permitted to say the line because of his age. Would've been some funny stuff especially after seeing him guest star on a few episodes of Full House not too long after The Dream Child came out.

[The Tall Man]

I read on IMDb(so I don't know how accurate it is) that "School's out, Krueger!" was a replacement for "Fuck you, Krueger!" Too bad because I would've died hearing Jacob say that to Freddy.
I just checked the script... that line is there.

Anyway, I'm glad this thread got bumped. I always loved this film but this thread always dies quickly.
It's because Nightmare 5 is better than sominex. In fact, five seconds into the movie you get sleepy. "Robert Englund in... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..."

T.M.

[Rich]

If I remember correctly theres some type of rule with kids swearing in films. Oh well

That rule must not exist anymore, because in Halloween (2007) the young ten year old Michael said "Fuck you," to Principle Tall Man. The actor could not have been any older then like 14 or 15 if she was even that old.

As far as Nightmare 5, my favorite part was "I told ya comic books was bad for ya! haaaaaa ha ha ha ha haaaa!" Then he cuts the shit out of the comic book page of the character and then in the real world the character is shown all cut up. That was pretty sick.

Then I also liked when Dan was triving the truck and Freddy appears and starts drinking the wine, and says "Bad year...Dan!"

[Deathscythe]

It's because Nightmare 5 is better than sominex. In fact, five seconds into the movie you get sleepy. "Robert Englund in... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..."

T.M.

I was wondering if you or Esten would show up to say that.

But you know what? As of 03/02/09, I offcially declare myself F13:Community's resident Dream Child fan.:p

[The Tall Man]

Oh I actually don't have the problem with 5 that S-10 does. S-10 prefers 2 to 5. I prefer 5 to 2. Englund makes it all worthwhile to me... that and SUPER FREDDY! Super Freddy alone trumps the entirety of Nightmare 2 for my money.

T.M.

[The Dream Master]

Psh, "Touch Me" > Super Freddy.

Wait, what? :X

[nottidelterrore]

ZACH CALLED

[Deathscythe]

Psh, "Touch Me" > Super Freddy.

Wait, what? :X

I actually owned the Cathy Dennis cover of that song.:shifty:

[Rich]

As of 03/02/09, I offcially declare myself F13:Community's resident Dream Child fan

I am a fan of the film, or at least parts of it. I loved the comic book scene as stated. Though I do complain about the direction the Nightmare sequels went (Tall Man knows) I do love the visuals in Dream Child. The scene where Freddy says, "We'll see, bitch. We'll just see" and then he disappears into the myst is a very chilling scene. That is very much in tone with the first couple films.

"It's a booooooooyyyy!"

[Jus-X]

That's what IMdb said about about the line. Whitby Hertford wasn't permitted to say the line because of his age. Would've been some funny stuff especially after seeing him guest star on a few episodes of Full House not too long after The Dream Child came out.

Hey, didn't not only this kid, but Nancy's kid in 7 guest star in Full House too?

That rule must not exist anymore, because in Halloween (2007) the young ten year old Michael said "Fuck you," to Principle Tall Man. The actor could not have been any older then like 14 or 15 if she was even that old.

As far as Nightmare 5, my favorite part was "I told ya comic books was bad for ya! haaaaaa ha ha ha ha haaaa!" Then he cuts the shit out of the comic book page of the character and then in the real world the character is shown all cut up. That was pretty sick.

Then I also liked when Dan was triving the truck and Freddy appears and starts drinking the wine, and says "Bad year...Dan!"

It wasn't just that... he spat out the wine too! :lmao:

I am a fan of the film, or at least parts of it. I loved the comic book scene as stated. Though I do complain about the direction the Nightmare sequels went (Tall Man knows) I do love the visuals in Dream Child. The scene where Freddy says, "We'll see, bitch. We'll just see" and then he disappears into the myst is a very chilling scene. That is very much in tone with the first couple films.

"It's a booooooooyyyy!"

Agreed

[The Dark Vampire]

That rule must not exist anymore, because in Halloween (2007) the young ten year old Michael said "Fuck you," to Principle Tall Man. The actor could not have been any older then like 14 or 15 if she was even that old.

Macaulay Culkin says "Fuck" in "The Good Son" as well and he was only 13 at the time

[Esten]

Whitby Hertford being Mormon probably has something to do with it.

[The Tall Man]

OH GOD, yes it does. Mormons will not swear. "Screw 'em" is pushing it.

If any of you out there have seen my last movie "Ehi Amico, C'e Natali, Hai Chuso!", my mormon actress friend refused to have any part of it because she claimed "the script is too dark." I said "Dark? If it were any lighter, I could score it with circus music!" (and it is a very lighthearted film).

T.M.

[James M]

This is my least favorite of the series, including Freddy Vs. Jason. Everything just falls flat. It's the dullest of the series and Freddy's characterization is just bad. To me, in 4 and 6, Freddy actually is often funny. In this one though, ugh. And there's not enough kills. I know the original film had the same amount of kills, but I cared more about those characters and the story was better, so it ended up still being a great film. If you don't have a real great story or cast, you could at least have a good set of kills. But this didn't even have that. Dan and Greta's deaths aren't bad, but it's not enough.

[The Tall Man]

James, Dan and Greta have much longer and more excrutating deaths (and in the case of Greta, understandable) in the unrated version.

T.M.

[James M]

I've seen them. I'm just saying, two good deaths aren't enough to make a movie as otherwise weak as this good.

[Spook]

Wait...there's an unrated version? Jesus, I must be living in the dark.

[The Tall Man]

Spook, it was only released on VHS and Laserdisc in 1990. New Line won't put the unrated version on DVD because for WHATEVER reasons, they won't put anything they don't have negatives for on DVD and the unrated version was mastered for video.

T.M.

[Jus-X]

Spook, it was only released on VHS and Laserdisc in 1990. New Line won't put the unrated version on DVD because for WHATEVER reasons, they won't put anything they don't have negatives for on DVD and the unrated version was mastered for video.

T.M.

you can see the extended deaths on the special features of the dvd box set

[Esten]

you can see the extended deaths on the special features of the dvd box set

Not in the official set from New Line.

[Jus-X]

Not in the official set from New Line.

Really? Is there more than one box set? This is the one I'm talking about...

http://images3.souq.com/uploaded/0309/ad9a53b15e9c3a9f23a6c117f7574976_16325035301235897 873.jpg

[Just Jeans]

Dan and Greta have much longer and more excrutating deaths (and in the case of Greta, understandable) in the unrated version.

That shit on YouTube?

[The Tall Man]

Justyn, those deaths are not in that set. If you know where they are, I'd like you actually pop it into your player and point us directly to them. "I remembered them being there" doesn't cut it because they aren't there on my set... nor S-10's... nor anyone else's.

Jeans, I found Dan's:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G2bvrGJTB8

I cannot find Greta's. You see Krueger actually digging into her guts, making the "you are what you eat" line... you know, logical.

T.M.

[Esten]

Really? Is there more than one box set? This is the one I'm talking about...

http://images3.souq.com/uploaded/0309/ad9a53b15e9c3a9f23a6c117f7574976_16325035301235897 873.jpg

Only one official set, that one. The unrated scenes are nowhere to be found.

[Jus-X]

No it's on the 8th disc with the Nightmare Labrynth on it.

[Just Jeans]

Holy fucknugget. That extended Dan Death is brutal. Mind you, I thought the theatrical version was pretty brutal to begin with -- it's tied for my least favorite death in the series by virtue of the fact that it made me so uncomfortable when I was a kid (the other is that goddamn roach motel death. It makes my skin crawl, and not in the good way.)

[Esten]

Good lord. No, the uncut Dan and Greta deaths are nowhere to be found on the Encyclopedia, or anywhere else in the set. New Line has gone on record saying they didn't put those scenes in the set, because they didn't have the negatives for them.

[Jus-X]

Well I'll double check... I know I've seen them, and the DVD's are the only things I've watched within the last 5 or so years... with the exception of last week when I put the VHS version of Nightmare 1 on because I wanted to see the beginning in full screen. You can see Tina walk past a red and green lump on the right hand of the screen. The red and green lump moves behind Tina, then Freddy popps out. That was the first time I ever put a Nightmare VHS on in a long, long time.

[Rich]

I always thought that the best part about Dan's death was Freddy's laugh. I love that laugh. "Fast laaaaaaannnee!!!! Haaaaaaaaa ha ha ah aha ha haaaaaa!"

[Just Jeans]

I actually think Freddy's endless jabber works against the brutality of the scene. Maybe that was the point, I dunno. A couple of quips would have been fine, but good-god-damn, he just keeps going on and on with pun after pun.

[Scarecrow]

That's pretty much the problem with the whole film. It's trying to be NOES1 or 2 in tone but Freddy's at his most sta-power laughter kick, and it actually does kill the mopvie, defuses the terror and actually tramples all over the plot.


- Scarecrow

[The Tall Man]

You mean that Freddy's jolliness contrasts sharply with all the SAD PEOPLE in this movie. ;)

T.M.

[The Dream Master]

Sad people?

More like MOROSE MOTHERFUCKERS.

[BlakeTyner]

It does smell like someone shit in their cereal.

BONG!

~Blake

[Nancy Thompson]

I always thought that the best part about Dan's death was Freddy's laugh. I love that laugh. "Fast laaaaaaannnee!!!! Haaaaaaaaa ha ha ah aha ha haaaaaa!"

LOL Rich that was the best part about Dan's death everytime i watch part 5 i crack up laughing lol

[Scarecrow]

I think his death would have even worked slightly better with just the bike section. Watching just that is more effective than in context where it follows the whole Freddy in the van sequence; by the time we come to the bike I've found myself stopped caring and frankly wishing Freddy would shut up and be, you know, scary. Even Freddy's Dead, when he's over the top and now scary, I'm, not sure why, but Englund himself puts in a better performance and still doesn't irritate me as much as in 5.

- Scarecrow

[Just Jeans]

A little off topic, but I thought this was a happy coincidence worth sharing.

Anyone who knows me knows I'm a huge Doctor Who fan. I'm also a fairly big Nightmare on Elm Street fan. And it seems these two things may be on the fast track to colliding. Sort of.

Comic Book Resources (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20517) has heard that Stephen Hopkins has been tapped to direct the fifth season premiere of Doctor Who. That'd be sort of cool, coz while I'm not a huge fan of The Dream Child, I do think it's well directed. Predator 2 is groovy, too.

Now if only they could get Renny. :X That shit would go BOOM.

[Esten]

"No, Renny, you can't blow up the phone booth."

[Just Jeans]

They wanted to blow up the phone box at the end of season 4, but it was beyond their budgetary capacity. If they'd had Renny, he'd have found a way to make it happen, but he wouldn't have settled for anything as mundane as paying out of pocket for the F/X work. Probably would have started by exploding that pesky budgeting committee, then big-booming the license fee payers, followed by napalming the phone box, and finally -- just to give the finale that little extra something -- he'd nuke the whole of South Wales. And all the while his DP is filming from the moderate safety of outer space.

There's no doubt about it, brother: Renny likey the big fire.

[The Tall Man]

Hhahahhhahahaha.

Jeans, I think you'll be in for a surprise. Hopkins is so much better a director nowadays it's not even funny. Nightmare 5 and Predator 2 are completely blown away by his work on more current things such as the pilot of "Californication" and the great HBO movie "The Life and Death of Peter Sellers."

Believe me... I was shocked too.

T.M.

[Just Jeans]

Yeah, I did some reading up on him this morning after I posted, and it seems he's also responsible for helping shape the directorial style of 24. Given the stuff he's worked on over the last few years (he seems to have become quite the well known TV director) I'm really interested to see what he'll do with My Favorite Show Ever.

[Esten]

My Favorite Show Ever.

What was it again Days Of Our Lives or some shit?


:X

[Jus-X]

Good lord. No, the uncut Dan and Greta deaths are nowhere to be found on the Encyclopedia, or anywhere else in the set. New Line has gone on record saying they didn't put those scenes in the set, because they didn't have the negatives for them.

I spent 4 hours searching the Labrynth last night. There's some eastereggs in the Labrynth that aren't in the encyclopedia... so I figured I would find this. Searched, searched, and searched... I couldn't find it. My new agenda is trying to find this info. Maybe it's on the VHS, but I gotta dig those up. If they're their then I'm still wrong about it being in the labrynth.

[Esten]

It's on the very first VHS release back in 89. Any re-release it's the R rated cut.

[Jus-X]

It's on the very first VHS release back in 89. Any re-release it's the R rated cut.

Dammit I know I own a copy of this somewhere where the scenes are included in the special features... I don't have the 88 VHS, I own both box sets, the VHS, and the DVDs. This is now a personal vendetta.

[The Dream Master]

This is the only place to find those uncut scenes, and they're in the film itself:

http://nightmareonelmstreetfilms.com/Files/nightmare5f_uncut.jpg

[Jus-X]

No I have this one. http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51CGG1WSC3L._SL500_AA280_.jpg

[The Dream Master]

That's the theatrical version then. When NLC did their re-mastering for the '99 releases, they only released the cut version of 5.

[Rich]

Dream Master, I used to own that very VHS tape, and I dont' remember anything being cut from the actual DVD other then Freddy's laugh during the motorcycle scene. Can you please describe any other cut scenes that are in that VHS and not on the DVD?

[The Tall Man]

Rich, the only differences between the unrated and rated cuts are the extended Dan and Greta death scenes.

T.M.

[Just Jeans]

What was it again Days Of Our Lives or some shit?

You've rumbled me. :X

This is the only place to find those uncut scenes, and they're in the film itself:

http://nightmareonelmstreetfilms.com/Files/nightmare5f_uncut.jpg

Jesus, that tape used to be at the mom-n-pop video store in Ore City. When they closed down back in 1999, they sold all their VHS tapes for $5 a piece. I passed up on Nightmare 5 to get Phantasm III (a really hard to find VHS at the time, or so I was told).

Shit, I wish I'd gone home and got another fiver now. :cry:

Random Thought: Freddy's sweater looks like it's striped red and yellow on that cover. Craven design that shit?

[The Dream Master]

And Jesus, look at that make-up? Miller do that sh--oh, wait. :X

[nottidelterrore]

I'd love to own that uncut VHS. Whenever I go to a place that deals in VHS, I keep a lookout for it.

[The Tall Man]

Hahhahaah. Jeans, yeah, it's the light eminating from the baby stroller that makes it look red and yellow. I always found that a bit odd even back in 1990.

And today it's not the right choice, but back then you picked the right one. "Phantasm III" on VHS was exceedingly rare. But today you can find Phantasm III on DVD all over the place, but unrated Nightmare 5 nowhere.

T.M.

[Rich]

That tape wasn't uncut though. It only had Freddy's laugh on the motorcycle scene a little longer.

[The Tall Man]

Er, yes, the tape was uncut. It's the unrated version. The version which says on the front "Contains material not seen in the theatrical version!" It had an alternate version (read: original unrated) of Dan and Greta's deaths.

Perhaps you are mistaking it for the tape of the R rated version.

T.M.

[The Dream Master]

That was the only tape I ever rented or saw, and it was most definitely uncut. In fact, I never saw the cut version until the DVD came out, and I was like "what the fuck is up with Gretta's death?" It doesn't make any sense in the cut version. :X

[nottidelterrore]

And today it's not the right choice, but back then you picked the right one. "Phantasm III" on VHS was exceedingly rare. But today you can find Phantasm III on DVD all over the place, but unrated Nightmare 5 nowhere.

I remember grabbing Phantasm III on VHS about a few years before it came out on DVD. I was stoked because I knew it was rare & because I found it for a good deal(three tapes for $5). I also grabbed Maniac Cop 2(I didn't know it was rare at the time) & Beverly Hills Cop 3(not rare at all but couldn't find anything else). That was a good day.

[Jus-X]

I remember grabbing Phantasm III on VHS about a few years before it came out on DVD. I was stoked because I knew it was rare & because I found it for a good deal(three tapes for $5). I also grabbed Maniac Cop 2(I didn't know it was rare at the time) & Beverly Hills Cop 3(not rare at all but couldn't find anything else). That was a good day.

Hey man, nothing wrong with Eddie Murphy in slapstic humour against crooks.

[The Tall Man]

DM, there was also a VHS release of the R rated cut back in '90 as well. In order to tell them apart, the unrated VHS had that "Contains material not seen in the theatrical version!" note on the cover. I had only ever seen the R rated cut on tape and then one day I went elsewhere and rented it (obviously not paying attention) and suddenly there was all this new shit in Dan and Greta's deaths...

"What the fuck is this shit? DID HE JUST GUT HER?!?!?!"

And then I bought that motherfucker through a rental company. :-) Still have it too. And a backup now.

T.M.

[Utellme]

Is all this cut footage on the NOES box set DVD part 5 ?

[The Dream Master]

DM, there was also a VHS release of the R rated cut back in '90 as well.

Yeah, I know, but none of the places around here ever had it, amazingly. Well, Blockbuster probably only had that one, but my mom and pop stores were still open at that time, so I never bothered to see.

And Utell, no, cut footage is nowhere to be found except on that VHS release.

[Utellme]

[QUOTE=The Dream Master;. In fact, I never saw the cut version until the DVD came out, and I was like "what the fuck is up with Gretta's death?" It doesn't make any sense in the cut version. :X[/QUOTE]

Why you say that whats the difference ?

[The Tall Man]

Utell, I will just say that Freddy's "You are what you eat" line actually makes sense in the unrated version.

T.M.

[Utellme]

After viewing it i like the uncut footage better, makes more sense with Greta's death like mentioned all ready.

[Nancy Thompson]

Utell, I will just say that Freddy's "You are what you eat" line actually makes sense in the unrated version.

T.M.

Yes it does. it been years since i seen the unreated verision but if you seen it you get the "you are what you eat" line

[Rich]

It makes sense in the DVD version too. He fed her her heart.

[The Dream Master]

In the DVD/cut version, all you see is Freddy digging stuff out of the doll and feeding it to Gretta. In the uncut version, it actually shows that he's gutted her own stomach as well and feeding it to her.

[Deathscythe]

Yay, finally this thread has some life to it.

Anyway, Greata's uncut death always sounded too much for me. The only uncut death I only have no desire to see, ever.

[Jus-X]

Dan's extended death was great. In the cut version I always wondered how he went from this half human/ motorcycle being in one frame, to this motocycle monstrousity in the next. And "FUEL INJECTIONNNNNN!!!" made more sense to in the uncut death

[Utellme]

The uncut footage just makes more sense for both scenes.

[CountProphet]

Can't believe how hated, Dream Child is here. This is a first too me. I ususal see people say how underrated it is on other sites. Meh, I still say its beter than anything after it.

[Nancy Thompson]

In the DVD/cut version, all you see is Freddy digging stuff out of the doll and feeding it to Gretta. In the uncut version, it actually shows that he's gutted her own stomach as well and feeding it to her.

Yep Dream Master is right about that.

I still do not get why they never put the unreated verison on dvd

[The Tall Man]

Because the unrated version was mastered for VHS and New Line refuses to put anything on DVD that they don't have negatives for. :side:

T.M., Esq.

[Timberwolf Entertainment]

I have that Nightmare VHS uncut. No idea where it is now. I'm sure its back in Rhode Island in a box or something. (I moved to LA two years ago).

I never tossed my old VHS tapes, but I abandoned them years ago cause I switched to Laserdisc even before DVD. Laser was the only way to get Widescreen films back then. Laser quality is better than VHS but not as good as DVD.

You think I could get good money for that Elm 5? I hardly ever watched the damn thing. I'm sure its in pristine shape (unlike my F13 VHS which I watched till they didnt work anymore..lol)

[Rich]

I just always loved the beginning when he says, "Its a boy!" I also love the part where he says, "We'll see, bitch. We'll just see," and then he fade away into fog. I think Nightmare 5's strongest elemtment is the imagery. I love the gothic buildings in the dream and Freddy's make-up looks great. His fingers are almost bones.

[Nancy Thompson]

even though part 5 is not my all time fav I still like it and i also loved his makeup in part 5 too alot better then his makeup for Freddy's dead IMO

And I always Loved "Its a Boy" too Rich

[Speck]

I've never posted in this thread before. But I would just like to say that this movie is horrible and an abomination to the entire series. I'm sorry.

[Rich]

His mane-up was very good in this one. I loved how how his fingers looked all boney.

[CountProphet]

But I would just like to say that this movie is horrible and an abomination to the entire series. I'm sorry.


Nice Joke! Ovviously, you got the wrong film.:p




His mane-up was very good in this one. I loved how how his fingers looked all boney.


I actually, though the make-up was effective in the darkness but, sadly like every other of the joker sequels he was always in the open, and couldn't keep his blabbering mouth shut for 5 seconds.

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

I remember USA used to always show ONLY part 5. I thought that was quite add, but none the less, I still tuned it.

Then...I hadn't seen it in YEARS until I snagged the NOES Box Set years upon years ago.

So, I popped this bad boy in, hoping to have the same feelings towards it that I once did.

Nope. Not even close.

To me, this is probably the worst entry in the NOES series.

[sooners4life98]

Yep. I think part 5 blows myself. This movies is my least favorite of the series.

[Jus-X]

I can say it's at the bottom of my Nightmare Totum Pole, but I don't hate it. It's still enjoyable.

[nottidelterrore]

I'd totally read comic books & skateboard with Mark.

[Geddy Peart]

even though part 5 is not my all time fav I still like it and i also loved his makeup in part 5 too alot better then his makeup for Freddy's dead IMO

And I always Loved "Its a Boy" too Rich


I always thought the make up in 5 & 6 made him look like an old man.

[Nancy Thompson]

i did not think he look like an old man in part 5 but he did in Freddy's dead

[Rich]

I just loved the boney look of his fingers and hands in this film. I think they did the make-up very well. I loved when he faded into the myst in the very beginning.

[CountProphet]

I just loved the boney look of his fingers and hands in this film. I think they did the make-up very well. I loved when he faded into the myst in the very beginning.Then, it went downhill after that.:cry: I do like the long-drawn out painful deaths though. Now, if only he could shut up during them. Seriously, everytime he talked it was one-liner after one-liner.:duh:

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

I'd totally read comic books & skateboard with Mark.

You sure about that? :p

http://www.bodybagscount.com/Horror/Fusebox/Img/Victim/freddy30.jpg

[The Tall Man]

I love that little pirourette movement Englund does as he slashes the paper Mark. Dance is everywhere, gang.

T.M.

[Rich]

"I told ya comic books was bad for ya!" I loved that scene too! His laugh during it was absolutely Elm Street gold.

[El Rooto]

Mark's death was dope.

[Ron]

Last night I decided to watch this. For a long time I have hated this and labeled it as my least favorite 'Nightmare' film. I always try and look for the best in everything so this film is no different. Last night Ihad an agenda. I was going to fing some redeeming qualities in the film I always bash. I found that the best way to go about this was to watch it as if it were a standalone film and just consider it The Dream Child. I sat down, had a few cocktails after not having a drink in a few months, and just chilled. I must say, after about ten minutes I actually forgot that I was watching a Nightmare film because I allowed myself to. Last night I acheived my goal. I no longer have such disdain for this film. It's a good slasher. It's....original:X

[Rich]

redeeming qualities

Robert Englund
visuals (Freddy disappears in the fog, gothic archetrcture)
evil plot (Freddy manipulating a developing fetus)
some of Freddy's antics (tearing his own arm off, turning the kid into a comic page and slicing him to pieces)
the make-up (boney fingers)
Freddy's laugh

[Deathscythe]

redeeming qualities

Robert Englund
visuals (Freddy disappears in the fog, gothic archetrcture)
evil plot (Freddy manipulating a developing fetus)
some of Freddy's antics (tearing his own arm off, turning the kid into a comic page and slicing him to pieces)
the make-up (boney fingers)
Freddy's laugh

I didn't like the makeup in this film...but I still enjoy the film. Don't forget about Mark, awesome character.

[VoorheesGuy91]

I've never posted in this thread before. But I would just like to say that this movie is horrible and an abomination to the entire series. I'm sorry.

Agreed, however it does not even come close to the disgrace that is Freddy's Dead IMO.

[CountProphet]

Agreed, however it does not even come close to the disgrace that is Freddy's Dead IMO.

Correct! ;)

http://library.thinkquest.org/03oct/01464/correct_answer.gif

[Utellme]

Last night I decided to watch this. For a long time I have hated this and labeled it as my least favorite 'Nightmare' film. I always try and look for the best in everything so this film is no different. Last night Ihad an agenda. I was going to fing some redeeming qualities in the film I always bash. I found that the best way to go about this was to watch it as if it were a standalone film and just consider it The Dream Child. I sat down, had a few cocktails after not having a drink in a few months, and just chilled. I must say, after about ten minutes I actually forgot that I was watching a Nightmare film because I allowed myself to. Last night I acheived my goal. I no longer have such disdain for this film. It's a good slasher. It's....original:X

I might have to try your idea Pete but i think it would take me alot more cocktails maybe like 15-20 more to help me like this film.

[Rich]

I think the best way to enjoy this film is just to wait until you are in the mood for 80s cheese. Get yourself some Mexican beer, a pizza, kick back, and DON'T take it seriously. I think once the Elm Street series got to this point (and Friday for that matter) that is what it became all about.

[The Tall Man]

"Freddy's Dead" > Your souls. That is all.

T.M., Esq.

[CountProphet]

"Freddy's Dead" > Your souls.
Nice Joke! Its like your try to suggest that Freddy's Dead is superior to all of us!;)

[The Tall Man]

I didn't try. I did. And it is.

T.M., Esq.

[Nancy Thompson]

As i was watching Dream Child tonight i always wonder how come they change Freddy song from 9, 10 never sleep again to 9, 10 he's back again since that was the only time they ever did it because in Freddy's dead they went back having Never Sleep again. I guess something we never know.

[Jus-X]

They just wanted to let you know he's back. Again.

[Scarecrow]

Yeah, there's no special reason or attempt to change it, it's just meant to be a creepy little variation because this evil killer has just returned from the dead yet again.


- Scarecrow

[Nancy Thompson]

i think they should had just left it Never Sleep again

[Jus-X]

I came up with my own little rhyme when I was like, 13. Just in the event I came face to face with Freddy, I would show I wasn't scared of him by reciting the rhyme to him...

One two, Freddy's face looks like poo.
Three four, a poor excuse for gore.
Five six, you gotta real small dick
Seven eight, won't even go up straight
Nine ten, let me say it again...

I got the idea by the song the one line be changed in Dream Child.

[Rich]

That's a good one, Justyn. I actually wrote a little Friday the 13th rhime when I was in the 4th or 5th grade.

Jason Voorhees is the boy who drowned in 57
At the early age of 11
If you go to Camp Blood
You'll never survive
You'll never come out of that place alive!

[Ron]

Didn't you have that in your sig, Rich?

[Rich]

I think once upon a time I might have, but I've had what my signature I have now since the new Metallica CD came out last year, and before that it was an Ozzy quote for over a year. If I did, it was a while ago.

[Ron]

Yeah, I think I remember it from the old board.

[Jus-X]

Didn't you have that in your sig, Rich?

Oh dude! You meant "signature." First time reading over that I'm like "what was Rich smoking?" Looking back at posts I realized based on the topic of conversation, sig was for signature.

[Nancy Thompson]

i think remember you had that in your sig Rich very nice

[Rich]

Thank you. I believe I may have had it in my sig at one point or another. I've been on these boards for about 10 years now, so memory gets a little faded.

[Nancy Thompson]

Well your memory gets bad as you get older lol

[CountProphet]

I like Dream Child better then Dream Master. :shifty: *looks around for an angry mob with pitches and torches*

[Jus-X]

*Waits outside Count Prophets's house.*

[Rich]

I agree with Count Prophet. I like Dream Child better then Dream Master as well. I think it was a much better story. I think Freddy using a developing fetus' dreams to do his damage is a better horror film then every time someone dies, pictures come off of a mirror which just so happens to be what "kills" Freddy in Elm 4. Elm 4, had the body count and great special effects, but it was very weak in the story line department. It almost really had no reason to exist.

[Jus-X]

Don't let Dream Master hear you say that shit! Oh Shit!!! Rich! This is an open forum! You're screwed bro. :lol: I joke

[nottidelterrore]

I can get into Dream Child but I think Dream Master is miles better. I still place Dream Child as the weakest Elm Street movie. Speaking of Dream Child, if DM has a son someday he should sign up with that username. *crickets chirp*

On another note, everytime I think of Dream Child, I think of Tally's poster. hahaha.

[The Dream Master]

Speaking of Dream Child, if DM has a son someday he should sign up with that username. *crickets chirp*

Shit mang, I can barely take care of myself, much less some kid. :X

[nottidelterrore]

I don't think you'd have any space for a kid.

[The Dream Master]

Absolutely not! Good damn point. Gonna have to file that one away.

[The Tall Man]

On another note, everytime I think of Dream Child, I think of Tally's poster. hahaha.
It bares reposting :lmao:


http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/7276/nightmare5morose.th.jpg (http://img106.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nightmare5morose.jpg)
T.M., Esq.

[nottidelterrore]

It bares reposting :lmao:


http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/7276/nightmare5morose.th.jpg (http://img106.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nightmare5morose.jpg)
T.M., Esq.

:lol:

I love it! It's still hilarious as hell, just like the first time you showed it to me. I needs posted in every post in this thread. Or every thread ever. :D

[CountProphet]

I agree with Count Prophet. I like Dream Child better then Dream Master as well. I think it was a much better story. I think Freddy using a developing fetus' dreams to do his damage is a better horror film then every time someone dies, pictures come off of a mirror which just so happens to be what "kills" Freddy in Elm 4. Elm 4, had the body count and great special effects, but it was very weak in the story line department. It almost really had no reason to exist.


Yay, reinforcements!:sniffle:

But, I agree with you. Part 4 barely hangs. I think the reason for its popularity is nostalgisim. Though I will the admit the chacters in this installment were defiantly much better then Dream Child's who were mostly killed off to early.

I mean hell, the only thing Dan did in Dream Child was knock Alice up and die.

[Jus-X]

I mean hell, the only thing Dan did in Dream Child was knock Alice up and die.

Word. His part was much bigger in DM

[Nancy Thompson]

Yep only thing Dan did in this movie was screw Alice & knock her up then Freddy killed him. which is sad because i actally like Dan. Also i do wish we had more then 3 death in the movie. Part 4 we had like 6 death

[The Dream Master]

Dream Master's story is definitely the weakest in the series (it's basically "Freddy's back and he's gonna kill people"), but the style and characters make up for it ten-fold. Plus, it's Freddy at his finest as a pop culture icon, so it gets mega points for that.

[Jus-X]

Dream Master's story is definitely the weakest in the series (it's basically "Freddy's back and he's gonna kill people"), but the style and characters make up for it ten-fold. Plus, it's Freddy at his finest as a pop culture icon, so it gets mega points for that.

All time favorite character in DM... Rick. Martial artist rocker type with an affinity for good rock music.

[The Tall Man]

I think the reason for its popularity is nostalgisim.
No, I think more it's popular because it was just fuckin' cool. And you've never needed a good script to be cool.

And DM pointed out some reasons too.

If you're wondering about Dan, well apparently he was part of Bob Shaye's decree: "Alice is pregnant, Freddy wants the baby, and Dan dies first." That was what he told to all... 20 of the writers who took a crack at a draft.

T.M., Esq.

[Jus-X]

No, I think more it's popular because it was just fuckin' cool. And you've never needed a good script to be cool.

And DM pointed out some reasons too.

If you're wondering about Dan, well apparently he was part of Bob Shaye's decree: "Alice is pregnant, Freddy wants the baby, and Dan dies first." That was what he told to all... 20 of the writers who took a crack at a draft.

T.M., Esq.

Man that's pretty fucked up! Let daddy stay around! Atleast let him stay around and sacrifice himself for his son or something. He had a great death, but yeah it was too early. So pretty much his character was there to bang and die. :cry:

I've always wanted to see a sequel using the characters of Alice and Daniel Jacob.

My fanfic would have DJ having the same dream abilities his mother got from the victims in 4, but amplified. DJ is a fan of martial arts and sci-fi movies, so when he dreams he is like Neo in the Matrix, he can run on walls, fly, change things, he's a huge lucid dreamer. Whatever the way Freddy is brought back, the end of the movie would be like clash of the titans battle royale between a dream demon and the last dream master. That would be the name if I ever made it: "Nightmare on Elm St: The Last Dream Master."

[Darth Sinister]

No, I think more it's popular because it was just fuckin' cool. And you've never needed a good script to be cool.

And DM pointed out some reasons too.

If you're wondering about Dan, well apparently he was part of Bob Shaye's decree: "Alice is pregnant, Freddy wants the baby, and Dan dies first." That was what he told to all... 20 of the writers who took a crack at a draft.

T.M., Esq.

Just out of curiousity and because I haven't read through very page of this thread, but is that right about the number of writers. Or are you just exaggerating?

[The Tall Man]

Hahahahahahaha. I'm exagerating, Darth. The real number is... five I think.

T.M., Esq.

[CountProphet]

Yet, not one could fix the shit*y script.:cry:

[Penhall]

Anyone think we'll ever get the unrated version (released on VHS) on DVD or blu-ray?

[Darth Sinister]

I figured it was an exaggeration given the short amount of time between the release of the two films. But you never know. Look at how many "Alien 3" had.

[Utellme]

Anyone think we'll ever get the unrated version (released on VHS) on DVD or blu-ray?


Maybe when the Blu Ray release comes out or A new box set.

[The Dream Master]

Pretty sure NLC never released it because they only had it on video (not film), but who knows what could happen now that WB has a hold of it. Still not going to hold my breath though.

[Rich]

I had the old VHS that everyone claims is unrated, but the only thing I ever missed from the DVD version was that they cut out parts of Freddy's laughter. I don't recall any additional footage with any of the death scenes or any more story line or dream sequences or anything like that.

So, what is uncut about the uncut version?

[Jus-X]

Depends on the version you have Rich. There was th original release, and the Box set release that when you put all the series together makes a wicked Freddy picture. the first release supposidly had it... which I haven't seen, just learned.

[The Dream Master]

The unrated version only ever showed up on VHS, and never on DVD. Dan and Gretta's deaths are both extended. In the case of Gretta's death, they actually show you that Freddy has gutted her and feeding her own intestines to her.

Visual proof:

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[nottidelterrore]

Thanks for posting those, DM. That's the first time I've seen both extended scenes.

[The Dream Master]

Yeah, that's the ONLY way I saw those deaths for like ten years. Then I got the box set in '99 and was all "what the fuck is this shit?"

[Jus-X]

Thanks DM. I've seen these before but I didn't remember Freddy fed Greta herself. Harsh mang!

[The Tall Man]

Rich, me thinks you just had the rated version on tape. New Line made both cuts available on VHS. The unrated print had a yellow circle on the cover saying something like "The full length uncesored version! Contains material not seen in the theatrical release!"

So my guess is you just had the R-rated VHS and not the unrated edition.

T.M., Esq.

[Rich]

You are probably right Tall Man. You see, I owned the old VHS with the black carige on the cover. I don't remember it saying anything about being uncensored though. Also I got it from Blockbuster in the early 90s which is when they did not carry unrated stuff.

As far as the provided uncut deaths (thank you Dream Master) the Dan one is more less the same. The Gretta one is the one that really has more to it. With Freddy's line "you are what you eat" I have always assumed he was feeding her to herself, but they actually visually show it in the uncut version of the scene. I can't understand why they wouldn't own it on a negotive. What, did New Line throw footage away like Paramount?

Even if the footage is only available in VHS format I would love a DVD or Blu-Ray with the rated and unrated version of the film or maybe have them just give us the footage as an extra feature on a future disc. With the new film coming out I guess anything is possible.

[The Dream Master]

The uncut VHS art was the same as the R-rated version, just minus the sticker you'll see below:

http://nightmareonelmstreetfilms.com/Files/nightmare5f_uncut.jpg

As for the footage, I dunno, it could be kicking around somewhere, but this is the same damn company that released a cut version of FD on video and nobody (not even Talalay) has a clue why or how it happened.

[Jus-X]

I like how after the fact we agree with the facts, DM will still post a picture proving the point! :D

[The Dream Master]

I was just trying to show Rich that it's not like New Line/Media went out of their way to make the two releases look too differently. :X

[Jus-X]

Whatever the reason, I was just giving you a hard time. Hence the :D at the end of the post.

As my gangster-rapping friend would say: Nuttin but luv ya'll

(I still wanna try and find this cut in a store somewhere...)

[The One and Only]

From Mezco Toyz' Cinema of Fear line comes the line's third series. Which gives us Chef Freddy (http://www.mezcotoyz.com/products/cof_003.asp). When the S.O.B. was getting ready to do in Gretta.

[The Tall Man]

One, that guy's been out for like half a year now. Maybe longer.

T.M., Esq.

[CountProphet]

No motorcycle Freddy? BOO!

[The Tall Man]

Screw Motorcycle Freddy. Give us Super Freddy!!!

T.M., Esq.

[Rich]

I think it would be cool if Mezco or NECA or Sideshow or one of those companies would do an action figure based on Part 4 where the souls are literally ripping Freddy to pieces to escape him.

[The Dream Master]

Sideshow already did a 12" version with the souls--not the ripping him apart thing, but it's still pretty cool nonetheless:

http://www.sideshowtoy.com/mas_assets/jpg/7320_press03-001.jpg

I have one sitting downstairs right now.

[CountProphet]

One of the things I like, about this film is the fact, I think this is the only film, in the series that actually shows someone getting angry with Freddy then more afraid and actually causing harm to him in the dreamworld. Oh, I'm talking about Mark.

[Darth Sinister]

Freddy isn't hurt in the dream world by Mark. Like with Will in TDW, Freddy lets Mark think he has the upper hand and then he slices it off.

[Jus-X]

Yeah that one thing we can agree on Darth. You can't hurt Freddy in the Dream World. He might act hurt to make you think you're doing good, but once he turns around and shows he's not hurt, it scares the person even more knowing there's no way to defeat him... in the dream world I mean. Heck I don't even think Joey made Freddy ears bleed, but Freddy gave in to the attempt so he could envoke more fear... oh yeah, and to trick Nancy coming back as daddy.


Oh yeah, wicked statue DM

[The Tall Man]

Heck I don't even think Joey made Freddy ears bleed, but Freddy gave in to the attempt so he could envoke more fear... oh yeah, and to trick Nancy coming back as daddy.
I don't think so. I think they were trying to pull off some sort of "Freddy dislikes loud noise" thing in Nightmare 3 because in the tie-in music video, that's the exact method Dokken uses to "defeat" Freddy.

Lame, yeah, but I truthfully think that was the intent of that scene.

T.M., Esq.

[The Dream Master]

"Freddy dislikes loud noise"

So...if Freddy tried to spend one night in your apartment building, he'd high-tail it out of there? :X

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

"Freddy dislikes loud noise" thing in Nightmare 3 because in the tie-in music video, that's the exact method Dokken uses to "defeat" Freddy..

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r196/JohnathanZX4/Screencaps%20et%20al/Brick.jpg

[The Tall Man]

So...if Freddy tried to spend one night in your apartment building, he'd high-tail it out of there? :X
Actually, DM, I'd hope Freddy'd have the balls to do what I won't... gut those motherfuckers.

Quiet this place down REAL quick.

T.M., Esq.

[Deathscythe]

So...if Freddy tried to spend one night in your apartment building, he'd high-tail it out of there? :X

If Freddy came to my house I'd proudly welcome him in.:D

[Jus-X]

If Freddy came to my house I'd proudly welcome him in.:D

I remember when I was a kid I always thought "why would anyone say know to Freddy, he'd kill you if he said no." So I had a nightmare when I was a kid where Freddy said "Kill for me!" like he did to Jesse. And I said "okay" and put his glove on. (Hey when I was 5 I didn't know any better!)

[CountProphet]

Freddy isn't hurt in the dream world by Mark.

Hmm...Your probably right, I haven't seen Dream Child in awile, I admit. I'm just going on what I remember. I could have sworn he atleast caught him by surprise though.

[Darth Sinister]

Oh, he's always caught by surprise. The problem is that the majority of them are afraid of him, which is why it doesn't take ahold. When they're not afraid, then he can be weakened and stopped. Kincaid wasn't afraid towards the end of TDW, but when Freddy came back in TDM, he was afraid and that's how he died. Likewise Mark was angry, but he was still afraid. His fear trumped his anger.

[Jus-X]

When they're not afraid, then he can be weakened and stopped. But not in the dream world.

Kincaid wasn't afraid towards the end of TDW, but when Freddy came back in TDM, he was afraid and that's how he died.
He didn't seem very afraid when he was dancing and shouting take that mutha fucka!!! :D

It goes back to my theory. Towards the end of DW and throught DM, people weren't afraid of Freddy. Souls gave him strength, but the ability for him to kill you in a dream has to deal with your fear. Which is why he looked weakened by Wizard Master's death rays, or Joey's screams, or Mark's weapons... people are overcome by fear when they lose the upperhand. Freddy makes you think you have the upperhand, but when he shows you he's still in control, then your fear is your demise.

[CountProphet]

It goes back to my theory. Towards the end of DW and throught DM, people weren't afraid of Freddy. Souls gave him strength, but the ability for him to kill you in a dream has to deal with your fear.
In DW, I'm pretty sure they were, they just didn't show it on their faces most of the time. In DM, uh.....yes they were. Just look at Kirsten, Debbie, Shelia, and Dan if you don't believe.


Which is why he looked weakened by Wizard Master's death rays, or Joey's screams, or Mark's weapons... people are overcome by fear when they lose the upperhand. Freddy makes you think you have the upperhand, but when he shows you he's still in control, then your fear is your demise.

Your probably right. Although Rick didn't look so, scared to me in DM. Unless, he just didn't show it.

[Rich]

Freddy doesn't really dislike loud noises. Look how many things he makes explode in Parts 4 and 5. I think what happened with Joey was that since he was mute for most of Elm 3, the loud (Sindel from Mortal Kombat like) voice was his "dream power." They each had a dream power in that one and since Freddy was in mirrors, he broke the glass with his voice. :D

[The Tall Man]

Freddy doesn't really dislike loud noises. Look how many things he makes explode in Parts 4 and 5.
You're missing the point. Those are AFTER 3 came out. But the intent of that scene (once again, backed up by the music video tied in) was that they wanted Freddy to dislike loud noise.

Now whether they ignored it or reconned it LATER, is moot. We're just talking at that point, for that scene.

T.M., Esq.

[Just Jeans]

I'm not sure whether I'd consider the Dream Warriors video indicative of the film's story in any case. It's more-or-less a parody of the film.

[CountProphet]

Oh, shoot. Todays is this films annivesary. I guess we should atleast all attempt to give it a viewing.

[The Dream Master]

Yep, twenty years old today. Jesus, that makes me feel old.

[CountProphet]

Man, I was born only 3 years after this film came out. 1989 doesn't seem so long ago in a way but, still 20 years? Damn.

[Deathscythe]

Man, I was born only 3 years after this film came out.

Same. I will definitly be watching this film today.

[The Tall Man]

I remember seeing my first TV spot for this during an episode of "Friday the 13th: The Series" on a Saturday night. I clearly remember Freddy riding the bladed skateboard. Oh, the 80's...

T.M., Esq.

[Jus-X]

I remember seeing my first TV spot for this during an episode of "Friday the 13th: The Series" on a Saturday night. I clearly remember Freddy riding the bladed skateboard. Oh, the 80's...

T.M., Esq.

I remember a TV Spot of DW and he put on thick-rimmed Ray Bans. I think Freddy was a great 80s role model

[Deathscythe]

I just rewatched this film, and didnt fall asleep once!

[The Tall Man]

I remember a TV Spot of DW and he put on thick-rimmed Ray Bans. I think Freddy was a great 80s role model
You sure that wasn't Nightmare 4? That's the one where he dons ray bans.

T.M., Esq

[Jus-X]

You sure that wasn't Nightmare 4? That's the one where he dons ray bans.

T.M., Esq

I knew what I meant and thats all that matters. And yes, it was 4.

[Darth Sinister]

I don't recall seeing the TV spots, though I'm sure I did. I remember not long after this talking to one of my classmates about it. I didn't get to see it until it hit video later on.

[The Dude]

in part 5 what is with the Dan kill? Why does Freddy turn him into this Ghost Rider looking thing? weird...

[Jus-X]

Freddy got confused which one of the teens read comics, but corrected himself later.

[Darth Sinister]

Freddy thought it would be funny to turn him into a nightmarish, motorcycle hellrider. To make him one with the motorcycle.

[BurtSampson]

Freddy thought it would be funny to turn him into a nightmarish, motorcycle hellrider. To make him one with the motorcycle.

It always did strike me as kind of random. Did Dan have a fear of motorcycles or something?

[Rich]

Remember when his father said, "This boy feels the need for speed" to the football coach earlier on in the film?

I think Freddy was playing on that and used it in a slightly different context. He even repeated the line and since Dan was on a motorcycle, he screamed, "fuel injection!" and injected gas into him I guess and then started putting motorcycle parts into. I think the best part of that scene was Freddy's laugh.

[Just Jeans]

I think the best part of that scene was Freddy's laugh.

I thought that was the most awful part of the scene. It defuses the horror of what's going on, pulls me out of the moment. It's corny.

[Jus-X]

I thought that was the most awful part of the scene. It defuses the horror of what's going on, pulls me out of the moment. It's corny.


I think the concept of the laugh is what's scary. We as the viewer don't consider it scary, but put yourself in Dan's shoes. Something scary and painful is happening to you. to have your torturer laugh means 3 things... he is truely and purely maniacal, he gets pleasure out of watching you suffer, and... okay... I only have two things

[BurtSampson]

I think the concept of the laugh is what's scary. We as the viewer don't consider it scary, but put yourself in Dan's shoes. Something scary and painful is happening to you. to have your torturer laugh means 3 things... he is truely and purely maniacal, he gets pleasure out of watching you suffer, and... okay... I only have two things

And he just drank all of your alcohol, three.

[Just Jeans]

I think the concept of the laugh is what's scary. We as the viewer don't consider it scary, but put yourself in Dan's shoes.

I can see where it works on paper and in theory, but the reaction of the viewer has to be taken into consideration during scenes like this. It's all about the execution. There are some pretty ridiculous ideas* floating around out there that I find genuinely chilling; it's all about the way it's pulled off on screen.

*For example, a vampire who uses a straw to suck blood is a pretty barmy idea, but it's still pretty chilling.

[Rich]

Come on guys! Freddy's laugh is the best thing about him. :)

[Darth Reaper]

Here's a question for everyone. In Part 5, Alice said that Freddy wouldn't enter the tower of the Westin Hills mental hospital because of Amanda. That makes me wonder, is Freddy really afraid of her? What kind of power might she have over him? She hasn't demonstrated much power so far, but then again she hasn't been given the chance to.

One thing that I'm thinking about is that Amanda doesn't seem to be afraid of Freddy, and maybe that bothers him. Freddy feeds on fear. It's the basis for his power. Plus, he gets off on being able to dominate and terrorize his intended victims. Since Amanda's already dead, she might be beyond Freddy's reach and therefore has no reason to fear him. Freddy might just have a hard time dealing with opponents that he can't intimidate.

What do you guys think? Where does Amanda stand with Freddy?

[Jus-X]

Here's a question for everyone. In Part 5, Alice said that Freddy wouldn't enter the tower of the Westin Hills mental hospital because of Amanda. That makes me wonder, is Freddy really afraid of her? What kind of power might she have over him? She hasn't demonstrated much power so far, but then again she hasn't been given the chance to.

One thing that I'm thinking about is that Amanda doesn't seem to be afraid of Freddy, and maybe that bothers him. Freddy feeds on fear. It's the basis for his power. Plus, he gets off on being able to dominate and terrorize his intended victims. Since Amanda's already dead, she might be beyond Freddy's reach and therefore has no reason to fear him. Freddy might just have a hard time dealing with opponents that he can't intimidate.

What do you guys think? Where does Amanda stand with Freddy?


I always thought it had something to do with the fact he could not stand on holy ground. Because Amanda was a nun, maybe her resting place became hallowed? That's what I always thought. I never thought she held any real power unless it was in a dream like Freddy.

[Darth Sinister]

I think the reason Freddy was afraid was the holy power that she had, having been a nun. When he sees her, the purity of who she was causes him to flinch both times he sees her. Remember, the holy water and cross did affect Freddy. He only came back because of Kristen's fear which gave him the power to break free of Gordon's efforts.

[Jus-X]

I think the reason Freddy was afraid was the holy power that she had, having been a nun. When he sees her, the purity of who she was causes him to flinch both times he sees her. Remember, the holy water and cross did affect Freddy. He only came back because of Kristen's fear which gave him the power to break free of Gordon's efforts.

And Jason pissed on his concerated grave.

[The Tall Man]

Where does Amanda stand with Freddy?
Darth, I think that's an excellent question that maybe somebody like... oh I don't know, the WRITERS should have addressed. At least one out of the 20. But I think your explanation is pretty damned logical. Amanda is Freddy's mom and he does NOT impress her. Just ask your mom if you impress her. 9 times out of ten, the answer will be a resounding NO.

At any rate, instead of the writers just giving up and having Freddy dragged backwards in a piss-poor rip of the Nightmare 4 death, how much more awesome would it have been to just have Freddy and Amanda fuckin' throw down there in the dream world with the fate of Alice and Jacob's lives hanging in the balance?

T.M., Esq.

[Jus-X]

What I want to knoe is, why is Amanda all old in TDM and then young again in TDC?

[The Dream Master]

My guess is that her ghost appeared as she did when she died in part 3, but since part 5 is centered around Freddy's rebirth and motherhood and shit, she looks like she did when she gave birth to Freddy the first time.