A Nightmare on Elm Street 4: The Dream Master

[BlakeTyner]

Alice takes over in this, the 4th ANOES film.

~BT

[CanadianFonzie]

if you ask me, this was the most gruesome NOES film, again I won't spoil the film, just to me there were alot more disguitsing parts in it compared to the other films, which is what I love about this film

[WestinHillsDays]

Part four is possibly my favourite horror movie ever made. Not because it's a gruesome film, but because of what Alice represents.

She remains as a compliant character until she realises that all of her friends are dead. I didn't acknowledge her as the heroine until the moment that Rick died. Her transition is very poetic: before confronting the monster, she would see herself through everyone's eyes, except her own. Once all of her friends have died, she has no option other than seeing herself through her own eyes. And that is how she finds the strenght to defeat Freddy.

[Wheatjedi]

I vividly remember my mother taking me to see this one on opening night back in August 1988. The place was filled, and everyone seemed to love it. Good memories...

[Deathscythe]

I wish they didn't replace Patricia Arquette, I didn't seem to care for Kristen in this movie at all.

[WestinHillsDays]

As far as I know, it was Patricia herself who refused to play Kristen again.

[James M]

This move gets heat for creating "clown Freddy," but it's my third favorite in the series. It's a fun flick with a pretty good plot.

[Dramarama]

I heard from noesf.com that they didn't ask her to come back, well that's what Rachel Tallalay says.

[The Dream Master]

I always heard that Patricia didn't want to come back for fear of being typecast. Interestingly enough, I came across this in the trivia section of IMDB:

"Wes Craven and Bruce Wagner came upon with a concept for this film that involved time travel through dreams. However, producers Robert Shaye and Sarah Risher felt that this was too high a concept for a Nightmare On Elm Street sequel and didn't think it fit the formula that Craven created with the first film."

Never heard that before.

[Dead Cell]

This move gets heat for creating "clown Freddy," but it's my third favorite in the series. It's a fun flick with a pretty good plot.

I'm as big a critic of "clown Freddy" as you're likely to find, but I thought that they walked a fine line with the bad jokes in this one. For the most part, Freddy had a lot of great lines that still hold up for me. Among some of my favorites:

'You shouldn't have buried me. I'm not dead."

Kincaid: "I'll see you in hell."
Freddy: "Tell 'em Freddy sent ya'."

along with his entire dialogue with Kristen before he killed her. I liked that. Good stuff. Also, pretty much everything he said during the final battle with Alice. Especially:

"Welcome to Wonderland, Alice."

and

"You haven't got what it takes. I've been guarding my gate for a long time, bitch." (especially love this bit for how it ties into the mythology being discussed earlier in the movie, which in turn, could lend some credence to those dream snakes in 6. But also, just love it because it seems like Freddy knows he's part of something much larger and older than Springwood).

Part four is possibly my favourite horror movie ever made. Not because it's a gruesome film, but because of what Alice represents.

She remains as a compliant character until she realises that all of her friends are dead. I didn't acknowledge her as the heroine until the moment that Rick died. Her transition is very poetic: before confronting the monster, she would see herself through everyone's eyes, except her own. Once all of her friends have died, she has no option other than seeing herself through her own eyes. And that is how she finds the strenght to defeat Freddy.

Nicely put. I like that.

[The Tall Man]

This is what I'll never understand: Why does Alice hate Freddy so much (particularly in 5)? I mean, yeah, he killed her friends, but Freddy MADE her sorry ass. Freddy saved Alice from a lonely future of spinsterhood and turned her into a wet dream.

If I'm lyin', call the cops.

T.M.

[Jigsaw]

This is my least favorite NOES movie, but it's not horrible. I just find it to be too cheesy in some parts and it feels kind of unnecessary at times after the closure of Dream Warriors. But it's not a half-bad movie and has some good parts in it. For a movie that's the worst of it's series, it's tolerable.

[CanadianFonzie]

I wish they didn't replace Patricia Arquette, I didn't seem to care for Kristen in this movie at all.

I found this Kristen (her name JUST slipped my head) to be more cute...ofcourse this is at the time that the movie came out when I was younger and closer to her age...saying that now would make me sound like a creep, lol

[Dramarama]

Like I said in the chatroom vigil, Tuesday's deathscene wasn't as heartfelt if it was Patricia Arquette's deathscene, I think I would have felt sadder, maybe not as much as Nancy's death, but Taryn's hope in the end where she grabs Kincaid's hand just breaks my heart because she wanted to survive so bad, and I did too.

[DavidDunn]

I thought that this was one of the best Nightmare films. The reason for the resurrection of Freddy was pretty lame (flaming dog piss?!), but other than that, this film had an excellent plot, sort of combining all of the Dream Warriors' powers into one person, a Dream Master. The one thing that I always enjoyed about Alice was how realistically that she was portrayed. She was a defining horror heroine because instead of having to take charge all at once like Ginny in Friday 2 or Laurie Strode, her evolution from fresh meat into an ass kicking, gate-guarding, kung-fu superchick was indeed, an evolution. I think that out of all of the Nightmares, this is the one that really grips people the most. Every one of the films gave an emotional challenge to the audience through it's lead characters. In the original, it gave us Nancy, who had to fight fatigue to stay awake long enough to figure out what she had to do, and the answer was there all along: no fear. In the second, Jesse was given a harder challenge in not only staying awake to figure out what to do to stop Krueger, but also keeping his own sanity in check and barricading himself from those he cared about to keep them from being harmed. And in the third, well it's obvious. The kids had to find the power within themselves to take back what was theirs, such as the ability to walk or be vocal. And in this film, Alice had to see herself though her own eyes. I believe that Anderson said it best in one of the above posts: to find your strength, you have to see yourself for who you are through your own eyes, and stop looking at yourself through everyone elses.

[Deathscythe]

For the most part, Freddy had a lot of great lines that still hold up for me.

You can't forget about the classic "Hows this for a wet dream?" line.:cool:

[Joshg]

This was the last one that I enjoyed a lot. It's not the best, but not the worst Nightmare. Acting lessons could have been taken by few, but still. That cockroach kill is nasty!

[CampNewBlood]

I love the opening theme song..."Nightmare" by Tuesday Knight.

And the scene where Alice is halucinating that she walks over to her father, throws his bowl on the table and breaks it, and tells him, "Yea I can think! I can think of how sick I am of watching you drink your life away and taking it out..on..me." is awesome.

I love that part.

[DavidDunn]

And the scene where Alice is halucinating that she walks over to her father, throws his bowl on the table and breaks it, and tells him, "Yea I can think! I can think of how sick I am of watching you drink your life away and taking it out..on..me." is awesome.

Yeah, that was friggin' awesome. Mr. Johnson was such an asshole in Nightmare 4. At least he reformed himself in Nightmare 5 and became a likeable character. I thought the character's change was good acting on the part of the guy that played him. Yeah, the first time I watched Nightmare 4, way back in 2003, and I saw Alice do that, I was freaking out. I didn't think of it to be a daydream, since she had already had the one about Dan, but that one seemed so unrealistic to me, like I could tell it was one from the start. But this one, I couldn't distinguish. I thought next that she would turn the table over on him and scream "WHO'S THE BITCH NOW, DADD-AYH?" into his injured face.

But sadly, she didn't.

[Joshg]

I love the beginning. That song fit the tone of the film so perfectly.

I'd give Part 4 a 5/10

[Gringo Loco]

I hadn't seen this for a few years until last night and I dunno if it's because I saw the DVD on a HDTV upconverted or what, but I enjoyed it alot more. The film was shot in 1.85:1 aspect ratio, which means that there are no black bars on the top and bottom when watching on a HDTV, so you get the whole picture.

The only thing I have against this film is, like someone else said, Freddy coming back to life. Kinda weak, with no explanation. I think there were other things I didn't like but I can't remember so I'm going to watch it again tonight.

[The Tall Man]

Gringo, actually, all the Nightmares except 7 and 8 were shot in matted widescreen, a "fake" 1.85 ratio, meaning you'd see more in the fullscreen version of the film.

The reason for Freddy's coming back to life was because they wouldn't let it go. They kept bringing him up.

Speak of the devil and the devil appears.

T.M.

[Deathscythe]

It was most likely Kristens fear of him coming back that brought him back.

[Gringo Loco]

Gringo, actually, all the Nightmares except 7 and 8 were shot in matted widescreen, a "fake" 1.85 ratio, meaning you'd see more in the fullscreen version of the film.

I didn't know that. I might have to watch it again in fullscreen mode.

The reason for Freddy's coming back to life was because they wouldn't let it go. They kept bringing him up.

Speak of the devil and the devil appears.

T.M.

I guess they explained this in Fvs.J. That makes sense. I admit, I've never given the ANOES series too much thought, only because I didn't like the majority of them even though I saw all except 1 and 2 in theaters.

[The Dream Master]

Gringo, actually, all the Nightmares except 7 and 8 were shot in matted widescreen, a "fake" 1.85 ratio, meaning you'd see more in the fullscreen version of the film.

T.M.

Just because you can see more doesn't mean it's good. There's a reason the directors matted the films that way; therefore, the widescreen ratio is the one to go with, not the full screen ones.

Also, aspect ratios have nothing to do with seeing "more of the film"; just because there are still small black bars on 2.35 films doesn't mean you're seeing any less of the film with a 1.85 ratio.

[Gringo Loco]

Also, aspect ratios have nothing to do with seeing "more of the film"; just because there are still small black bars on 2.35 films doesn't mean you're seeing any less of the film with a 1.85 ratio.

you may not see more of the film but you definitely fill up your screen, which in my case of having a 32" TV I definitely want to have. I like seeing a film that was shot in 2:35.1 ratio also, I like the wide aspect of it. But on my TV it kinda takes away because of the size. If I was watching a 2:35.1 scaled movie on a 60" TV then maybe the effect wouldn't be so bad.

[The Dream Master]

Well, yeah, if you're more concerned about filling up your screen I can see where you're coming from. Regardless, widescreen is the way to go, especially if you're watching on a widescreen set. If you try to watch a full-screen presentation there, you're just going to get black bars on the sides (which don't bother me if the movie's supposed to be 4:3).

[The Tall Man]

Just because you can see more doesn't mean it's good... therefore, the widescreen ratio is the one to go with, not the full screen ones.
Well, as a director, I saw screw the director! If he wanted the widescreen version to be the best version available, he'd make sure a fullscreen edition isn't available or not shoot the damned thing in matted widescreen.

Like take me, they won't let me around a 2.35 anamorphic widescreen camera... but I shoot everything in matted 2.35 ratio, eyeballed & framed through the lens. So the end result is a movie in 2.35 and if they wanted a fullscreen version, they'd have to pan and scan the 2.35 version. I wouldn't give up a fullscreen print.

As far as I'm concerned, I want to see what show more.

If it's 2.35, I want it in 2.35
If it's 1.85, I want it in 1.85.
If it's 4:3, I want it 4:3
If it's matted 1.85 widescreen, I want fullscreen.

Director's intentions don't really matter to me in this particular matter.

Besides... can you honestly tell me you rather not see Debi Sue's snatch in Friday 5? Look me in the eye and tell me you don't.

T.M.

[A. Remin' D.]

The only thing I have against this film is, like someone else said, Freddy coming back to life. Kinda weak, with no explanation. I think there were other things I didn't like but I can't remember so I'm going to watch it again tonight.

Freddy never died in NOES 3. The holy water and crucifx did no good. A good sign that it didn't was because Freddy's house lit up at the end.

In NOES 1-5 there are either signs that Freddy is still alive, or he is shown still alive at the end.

NOES - Still alive
NOES 2 - Still alive
NOES 3 - House lights up
NOES 4 - Freddy relflection is shown
NOES 5 - Freddy's hand rips out of his mom, and the jump rope girls are shown

In Freddy's Dead, he was finally dead... well, basically.

[A. Remin' D.]

Gringo, actually, all the Nightmares except 7 and 8 were shot in matted widescreen, a "fake" 1.85 ratio, meaning you'd see more in the fullscreen version of the film.

Damn it! That really pisses me off that the separate DVDs are widescreen and fullscreen, while the boxset DVDs only have widescreen. I only have the boxset and NOES 1 separately.

I'd really like to have 2-6 in the fullscreen format now.

[The Tall Man]

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[The Dream Master]

Well, as a director, I saw screw the director! If he wanted the widescreen version to be the best version available, he'd make sure a fullscreen edition isn't available or not shoot the damned thing in matted widescreen.

Like take me, they won't let me around a 2.35 anamorphic widescreen camera... but I shoot everything in matted 2.35 ratio, eyeballed & framed through the lens. So the end result is a movie in 2.35 and if they wanted a fullscreen version, they'd have to pan and scan the 2.35 version. I wouldn't give up a fullscreen print.

As far as I'm concerned, I want to see what show more.

If it's 2.35, I want it in 2.35
If it's 1.85, I want it in 1.85.
If it's 4:3, I want it 4:3
If it's matted 1.85 widescreen, I want fullscreen.

Director's intentions don't really matter to me in this particular matter.

Besides... can you honestly tell me you rather not see Debi Sue's snatch in Friday 5? Look me in the eye and tell me you don't.

T.M.

The director's intention is always what matters. In most cases, they don't really have a say in allowing a full screen transfer anyway. The reason they shoot stuff in matted widescreen is because they don't want you to see that extra stuff at the top and bottom, Debisue's snatch included. There are many examples where you see stuff that absolutely changes a scene. Sometimes you also see goofs that you shouldn't see as well, such as the water sprinkler in JTM.

In the end, I guess it all comes down to personal preference, and I choose to go with what the director intended to be seen.

[The Tall Man]

I guess you're right.

But if you don't want sprinklers in the shot, zoom the damned camera in!

And anyone hiding snatch from us... needs to be dragged into the street and beaten by Evil Patrick Troughton.

T.M.

[Brett H.]

I used to have this taint on tape, but I taped over it. I didn't know the DVD wouldn't have it.

Someone must have the VHS and capabilities to share her with the rest of us...

[Wheatjedi]

I'm sorry, Tall, but I simply cannot look you in the eye and tell you that I would rather not see Debi Sue Voorhees' snatch. I can on the other hand, look you in the eye and tell you that I would very much like for the prick that stole the original '85 VHS of Part V from Blockbuster to return it so that I could see said snatch.

I'm now on a mission to find that VHS tape. There are tons of places where I live that could have it. Must find...... Must find......

[Gringo Loco]

I'm now on a mission to find that VHS tape. There are tons of places where I live that could have it. Must find...... Must find......

Try Ebay or amazon.

[A. Remin' D.]

I have the o.g. 1985 VHS and the 1994 VHS. :)

I have capabilities. :)

[Lance Lives]

I love this one. Might be my favorite, if only because I've watched Dream Warriors too much. All the songs are great and really fit the tone as somebody already said. Alice is my favorite, over Kristen and Nancy.
This also has some of my favorite dreams in it. The car planet was great, the wet dream was fantastic, and the repeating run around the diner scene.

Also, what are you guys on about? Is there snatch in this movie that I'm missing?

[Kane Lives]

This installment has grown on me over the years, and I've come to enjoy the fun of it more. But, I have to admit it's the first one I felt disappointed by.

My two biggest complaints were how the surviving Dream Warriors were killed off so uselessly IMO, and the whole relationship between Freddy and Alice. I liked the Alice character and was pleased to see Freddy meet a match (although I feel he died too easily). But, what soured it for me was this whole concept of his future inside the dream world depending on her, and then they have a big showdown at the film's finale where you know he can't kill her.


It didn't blow me away like Dream Warriors did, but the film had some good ideas overall. The water bed was fun, Sheila and Debbie's death scenes I think were cool. Also, sending Dan and Alice in circles as well as making Alice crash into the tree were clever. Not to mention that Freddy's death scene in this movie was IMO among the best Horror film death's ever for a villain or a victim.

[CanadianFonzie]

the one main flaw IMO was Freddy's Ressurection, I think we all remember what it was, lol

[The Tall Man]

Kane, in the script, they had Freddy cooing at Alice "Thank you" everytime he killed someone thanks to her. Of course, that was removed entirely from the finished film.

I think Freddy's death in 4 is awesome (which it had to be since this was originally going to be the last one), but the reasoning behind it was moronic as hell.

T.M.

[The Dream Master]

But Tally, it was Renny's special exploding light, remember? That's why it worked.

[The Tall Man]

Damn, I forgot... Exploding Light! yeah, that'll do in Krueger.

T.M.

[Deathscythe]

How does Freddy get into Dans dream when he needs Alice to pull them in for him?

[Kane Lives]

My guess would be because Alice had already fallen asleep. Since she took the sleeping pills before we see Freddy appear to Dan.

[El Rooto]

God, this was a ridiculous movie.

What's with that finale?!

[Scarecrow]

I find the first five films really work together in terms of Freddy's survival.

In Part 1 he is rejected by Nancy and 'banished' into the house.

Cut of from the Boiler Room and drained of energy Freddy 'haunts' the house, and uses Jesse as his instrument. Eventually he banished back into the dream world in the boiler room where he picks up where he left off.

In Part 3 he's very powerful but by putting his mortal remains to rest they cut off his access between the worlds, essentially destroying him.

BUT he's already devoured a LOT of souls and their energy keeps him going. But now, with few Elm Street kids left and his gateway in doubt, he has to use Alice to get to new victims. At the end all the souls rip him apart, again removing the one thing that kept him going.

Devoid of soul energy and with his body laid to rest Freddy is in a bad way. In Part 5 we see him desperate, using an unborn child to return and claimign new souls. At the end the only new souls he has are again riipped from him and his essense is imprisoned by his mother.

Works for me. :p


- Scarecrow

[MaDMaNMaRz]

I've always really liked NOES 4. My favorite kill is the waterbed death....I liked when Freddy said, "How's this for a wet dream?" Haha.

[NETRA]

The reason for the resurrection of Freddy was pretty lame (flaming dog piss?!)

I agree with Tall Man. Kristen kept going to the boiler room and drudging Freddy up again. This gave him the power to return. Joey made that point to her when he tried to stop her. "You might stir him up again." The dog piss was just a fun visual, not the catalyst for his return.

God, this was a ridiculous movie. What's with that finale?!

Other people have complained about the ending too. I think the horror movie critic Arrow In The Head said "So Freddy's never seen his reflection before?"

But I think it was a poetic ending. It's like Anderson said:

Her transition is very poetic: before confronting the monster, she would see herself through everyone's eyes, except her own.

Right! And, correct me if I'm wrong, but this is how I've always seen the ending . . .

As each of her friends dies, she removes their picture, thus revealing herself while taking on their powers. She has their powers and Freddy has their souls. So when Freddy enters her dream (and sees himself in the reflection of her mind's eye) the souls within him are able to unite with their powers via Alice and they rip him apart from the inside and escape. To me, it's the smartest ending in the series. I like the use of the mirrors and reflections as metaphor. It is poetic and actually quite moving.

[The Tall Man]

"So Freddy's never seen his reflection before?"
I was watching Freddy's host segments in "Freddy's Nightmares" the other day and Freddy saw his reflection a good 6 or 7 times... and nothing catastrophic happened to him.

T.M.

[Deathscythe]

I think Freddy saw himself in Dream Wariors in that room full of mirrors.

[NETRA]

Yes but, as I said, I don't think it was really about seeing his reflection. It was about seeing himself in HER mind's eye. That was what the nursery rhyme said: "In the reflection of my mind's eye, evil will see itself and it shall die." I think it's a very poetic and thoughtful ending.

[Deathscythe]

Clip. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqTS1JDUjDo)

So I rewatched the opening scene and I'm wondering why Kristen asked the girl "Wheres Freddy?" Dunno why, but it just felt she was asking "Wheres Freddy so he can kill me?"

BTW, Tuesday Knight was hot in that opening.

[Chex]

Tuesday Knight's aged extremely well. At least, she looked it when I saw her at a convention a few years back.

[Scarecrow]

Yeah, it seemed fairly clear to me that the mirror thing was a metaphor and part of her own dream power. She was essentially reflecting his evil and hatred back at him. Personally, I always felt in a sense she was reflecting not the image he presents, the man Freddy, but the true image... a pure evil entity that's gorged itself on souls. Hence, the souls also seeing themselves and beiong "freed" as they tear their way out of Freddy, destroying him.


- Scarecrow

[Spade]

Yeah, it seemed fairly clear to me that the mirror thing was a metaphor and part of her own dream power. She was essentially reflecting his evil and hatred back at him. Personally, I always felt in a sense she was reflecting not the image he presents, the man Freddy, but the true image... a pure evil entity that's gorged itself on souls. Hence, the souls also seeing themselves and beiong "freed" as they tear their way out of Freddy, destroying him.


- Scarecrow


That's the way I've always seen it. Although you put it better than I would.

[Chex]

That's very well put, Scarecrow. One of the better and thought out ideas I've read on the subject.

[The Tall Man]

Guys... those explanations are EQUALLY as retarded as "Ferdy can't see his own reflection so he died." It doesn't matter HOW you slice it, the death itself is great but the reasoning behind it is retarded as hell.

T.M.

[El Rooto]

I agree.

This movie always annoyed me, I don't know what it is about it.

[The Tall Man]

"Freddy's back and oh-boy, we're in trouble". That's the plot.

T.M.

[El Rooto]

Yeah...the plot was pretty fucking lame.

[The Dream Master]

"Freddy's back and oh-boy, we're in trouble". That's the plot.

T.M.

Actually, I believe the plot is "Freddy's back and oh-boy, shit's about to explode!"

[The Tall Man]

Actually, I believe the plot is "Freddy's back and oh-boy, shit's about to explode!"
:lmao: Quoted. For. TROOF.

T.M.

[Scarecrow]

Guys... those explanations are EQUALLY as retarded as "Ferdy can't see his own reflection so he died." It doesn't matter HOW you slice it, the death itself is great but the reasoning behind it is retarded as hell.

T.M.

Never been a huge fan of Part 4 but I never had a problem with the ending, evil seeing itself via a mirror has LONG been a concept. And whatever the concept, the film makes it clear that it isn't JUST the mirror but the rhyme which Alice realises at her msot desperate moment. Mirrors have also been said to have the capacity to trap souls although that's something else... but still the conclusion is using well know archetypes of a mirror defeating evil and the childrens rhyme with a hidden truth within it.

- Scarecrow

[Darth Reaper]

There's something that I've been having a hard time with so I'm bringing it to the board to see what you guys think. How would you guys define the nature of Alice's powers? As a dream master, apparently she's supposed to have some control over her dreams, but it's obvious that she can't manipulate the dreamscape the way Freddy does. So, what is it exactly that she can do?

One idea that I have is that she can become whatever she wants to be in dreams. In the real world she's just a normal person, but in dreams she can be whatever she wants to be.

Also, one could argue that she simply has a very strong will. I've often thought that one could say that willpower is power in the dreamworld. If your will is strong enough you can resist Freddy's power and fight back. That's one reason why in my eyes Freddy can't kill Jason even in the dreamworld. Jason's will is indomitable; he refuses to stop for anything. So, no matter what Freddy throws at him he just keeps getting back up.

What do you guys think?

[Ron]

They killed off some great characters in this film, but...I guess that's what it's all about.

[Chex]

I was reading Fangoria #185 and came across an interesting bit with Renny Harlin:

Renny Harlin: "New Line sort of ran out of time," Harlin recalls. "They wanted to get the movie out for August and they hired me in February to do it. I come aboard, and at that point we were very close shooting. But the writers' strike started at the same time, and we didn't have a script that was in any kind of shape. We couldn't get any writer to work on it, so I started doing it.

I began storyboarding the nightmare sequences using my own nightmtres as source material, he continues, and with that we started patching the story together. As we shot, we rewrote the scenes in the morning and during lunch breaks we'd write the dialogue, and the actors would get it at the last moment. My main focus on that movie was that I felt that since there had been three previous Nightmare films, we couldn't repeat the same pattern of Freddy just being this scary guy and nobody knowing who he is. I felt that since the audience knew who he was and knew his tricks, he was becoming a James Bond kind of character. He's an antihero, but he is the main character.

I wanted to build him up and bring in even more humor than before, and at the same time make references to classic movie or literature or pop culture - to bring it to the cutting edge - and it seemed to work."

I highlighted some of the bits that jumped out at me such as wanting more humor, references to pop culture, and him using his own nightmares as source material. Yes, Renny has a fear of junk yards. ;)

[Gringo Loco]

I was reading Fangoria #185 and came across an interesting bit with Renny Harlin:

Renny Harlin: "New Line sort of ran out of time," Harlin recalls. "They wanted to get the movie out for August and they hired me in February to do it. I come aboard, and at that point we were very close shooting. But the writers' strike started at the same time, and we didn't have a script that was in any kind of shape. We couldn't get any writer to work on it, so I started doing it.

I began storyboarding the nightmare sequences using my own nightmtres as source material, he continues, and with that we started patching the story together. As we shot, we rewrote the scenes in the morning and during lunch breaks we'd write the dialogue, and the actors would get it at the last moment. My main focus on that movie was that I felt that since there had been three previous Nightmare films, we couldn't repeat the same pattern of Freddy just being this scary guy and nobody knowing who he is. I felt that since the audience knew who he was and knew his tricks, he was becoming a James Bond kind of character. He's an antihero, but he is the main character.

I wanted to build him up and bring in even more humor than before, and at the same time make references to classic movie or literature or pop culture - to bring it to the cutting edge - and it seemed to work."

I highlighted some of the bits that jumped out at me such as wanting more humor, references to pop culture, and him using his own nightmares as source material. Yes, Renny has a fear of junk yards. ;)

Very interesting, Chex. Thanks for posting.

[Chex]

Very interesting, Chex. Thanks for posting.

No problem. :)

You can find more information at my website....which isn't finished yet. So you really can't. But if it was done, you could. Except you can't.

I'm wondering if Renny had a nightmare where a woman was in his water bed trying to seduce him as he was watching MTV.

[The Tall Man]

We can't be sure what Renny wrote and what the Wheat Brothers wrote and the 20 other writers who worked on Nightmare 4. Somebody would just have to plain ask him. I believe the Wheat Brothers for sure wrote Kincaid's death sequence. I have a Fango interview with them from around '88 or so where they talk about it (Freddy's blades were originally supposed to come out of Kincaid's back. The footage was shot, but it appears to have been removed by a repeat shot).

T.M.

[Chex]

Very true, TM.

What we do know though is that Renny was pushing for a more "humorous" Freddy and wanting pop culture references. As for the nightmares, who's to say. I suppose we could get Renny and a water bed with a naked girl inside and test that on him though.

[Esten]

I'm willing to bet that Renny's Nightmares(I should pitch that show) consist of lots of exploding explosions.

[Deathscythe]

Very true, TM.

What we do know though is that Renny was pushing for a more "humorous" Freddy and wanting pop culture references. As for the nightmares, who's to say. I suppose we could get Renny and a water bed with a naked girl inside and test that on him though.

Haha, you'd think Joey would have learned from his past experineces. Also Kristen just seemed to jump into the fire.

Only Kincaid put up a fight.

[Chex]

Only Kincaid put up a fight.

I so disagree with that. You're correct when you compare everyone together of course, but Kincaid's "fight" was weak. He pushed a car. That's it. When his times up, he decides to just yell at sky to warn Kristen. So what happens when Fred shows up in front of his face? Any super strength showings? Nope, it's just a lame cutaway where it appears Freddy just magically appears in front of him and proceeds to stab.

TM's mentioned how that's just how Renny shoots things, but that scene is so poorly done that it feels like we're missing 2-5 seconds.

I'm willing to bet that Renny's Nightmares(I should pitch that show) consist of lots of exploding explosions.

That's just the thing 10, Renny's therapy is him making movies now using his nightmares. Deep Blue Sea you ask? Yeah, he had a nightmare about LL Cool J and sharks.

You're correct though in that exploding explosions are how his nightmares end so he feels compelled to use them in every situation. It symbolizes the end of something (his nightmare) with the start of something fresh (him waking up).

Renny Harlin = tortured soul.

[The Tall Man]

I used to have nightmares that ended with a deafening thunderclap, so...

T.M.

[Chex]

I used to have nightmares that ended with a deafening thunderclap, so...

You had nightmares about the Hulk?

[Deathscythe]

I don't think I've ever had a Nightmare in my whole life. Also, I think Renny Harlin dreams of Samuel Jackson a lot.

I so disagree with that. You're correct when you compare everyone together of course, but Kincaid's "fight" was weak.
Yeah I was comparing it to the other characters.

[Chex]

Yeah I was comparing it to the other characters.

Oh then yeah, definitely then. :)

[Jigsaw]

I've had some weird dreams, but I don't think I've ever had a full-blown nightmare before.

[Ron]

I had a nightmare about Freddy a few years ago, but I wasn't that afraid. I actually kinda enjoyed it so maybe it wasn't such a nightmare afterall.

[Esten]

Also, I think Renny Harlin dreams of Samuel Jackson a lot.




Doesn't everybody?

[Deathscythe]

Doesn't everybody?

Does he look like a bitch to you in his dreams?

[Deathscythe]

I know have the complete soundtrack of this film one my iPod.:cool:

[Fowlees]

I had a nightmare about Freddy a few years ago, but I wasn't that afraid. I actually kinda enjoyed it so maybe it wasn't such a nightmare afterall.

A nightmare about Freddy!.:shock:..I reckon you must be watching too many horror films Pete. :o.......:lol:
ADDED:
I know have the complete soundtrack of this film one my iPod.:cool:

Gotta love that track "My Way or the Highway.":bang:

[Ron]

Watch too many horror films?? Blasphemy!;)

[MaDMaNMaRz]

You can never watch too many horror films, Fowlees. :)

[Deathscythe]

So I read the other day that one of the actresses from the film appeared in Slaughters music video "Spend My Life". I watched the video on youtube and the girl did kinda look like Lisa Wilcox.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ao8KYp0rGs&feature=related

Anyone wanna confirm?

[Utellme]

I liked this installment alot.

[Rich]

Too many horror films? It's more like never enough horror films. Whether you swim with Jason, dream of Freddy, or trick-or-treat with Michael, one can never watch enough horror films. :)

[CharlieBrummel]

Juicy Icons of Fright interview with Tuesday Knight (http://www.iconsoffright.com/IV_Tuesday.htm)

[The Dream Master]

Holy shit, lots of dirty laundry being aired in that interview regarding her relationship with Lisa. Jeebus, Esten told me that the whole Toebright thing wasn't going on between them anymore, but I just figured it was a mutual thing. I wonder what happened between Lisa and NLC (Tuesday alludes to it in the interview)? I wonder if it goes back to before FvJ because Lisa wanted to have a cameo in it, but NLC wanted nothing to do with it.

Anyway, lots of good info in that interview. And I'm guessing it was really BAMF that was having a love affair with Arquette because we know he fucked all the broads in that flick (and in Nightmare 4).

[Chex]

We were getting ready to do this scene on a beach. So, I was going to wear that little Hawaiian bathing suit.

Renny was like, "We've prepared your wardrobe for you, so once you get it on, we'll double check it and get ready!"

So, I said, "Yeah, no problem."

I go in there, and literally, this bathing suit was as big as a band-aid! It was like one string of that Hawaiian suit. So, I come out and I'm like, "Um, Renny?" Are you kidding me? I can't walk out like this!"

And he goes (in Finnish accent), "Oh Tuesday. Oh Tuesday. It looks so wonderful with your buttocks! It looks so real, it's lovely and everyone will love it! It looks great!

And I said, "You are crazy! You better sew me on a little skirt, right now!" So this lady had to come in and sew on that little skirt.

Renny Harlin's the definition of smooth. That's how you sweet talk 'em. You tell them how their buttocks look so real.

Oh yeah! I had make up on too. We were doing the beach scene, and they had this one scene, and I can't remember why? But they had a prosthetic of my chest where I had boobs with no nipples on them! To this day, I wonder, was this for Renny's home? I don't know what it was for. They ended up just taking it off me and doing (whatever scene it was for) a different way. It was just so weird that he wanted me to sit up with boobs with no nipples!

....so it's in Renny's house?

Interesting story about her and Madonna. O_o

About her and Lisa Wilcox, that's just depressing. :( Of course, there's always two sides to every story and the way Knight paints Wilcox in every moment before they worked together in 2000 is somewhat...less than favorable.

[The Dream Master]

That interview just further confirms that Renny is fucking awesome. And Tuesday needs to quit denying that Harlin tapped that ass because we all know that "anything that can explode, will explode" on the set of a Harlin movie, including Tuesday's clothes as soon as Renny walked into the room with a case of Absolut.

[El Rooto]

Interesting interview.

It also reminded me just how weird the Nightmare 4 poster is.

[Chex]

That interview just further confirms that Renny is fucking awesome. And Tuesday needs to quit denying that Harlin tapped that ass because we all know that "anything that can explode, will explode" on the set of a Harlin movie, including Tuesday's clothes as soon as Renny walked into the room with a case of Absolut.
So you're saying he made her ass explode because it was real because "everyone loves it!"? I'd believe that.

[Geddy Peart]

That was a really cool interview, and very informative. Sucks to hear about her relationship with Lisa Wilcox, but at the same time I'd like to hear Lisa's side.

Renny Harlin keeping the prosthetic version of Tuesday's chest in his house is a little weird.

[Harmonic Bond]

I think there must be something else to the Tuesday Knight/Lisa Wilcox story; I just don't quite believe Knight here. There are waaaaay too many immature potshots at Wilcox's expense for me to not believe Knight burned some sort of bridge that she's unwilling to talk about.

[Geddy Peart]

I think there must be something else to the Tuesday Knight/Lisa Wilcox story; I just don't quite believe Knight here. There are waaaaay too many immature potshots at Wilcox's expense for me to not believe Knight burned some sort of bridge that she's unwilling to talk about.


I kind of got that feeling too. Tuesdays talks about how coldly Lisa treated her on the set of Nightmare 4 and then years later she starts a business with her out of sympathy?

I hope Lisa responds to Tuesday's comments at some point.

[Chex]

I kind of got that feeling too. Tuesdays talks about how coldly Lisa treated her on the set of Nightmare 4 and then years later she starts a business with her out of sympathy?

I hope Lisa responds to Tuesday's comments at some point.

Not only that, she repeats how cold Wilcox was to everyone numerous times and then sees that she looks pitiful and sickly and weak when they meet up and eventually decide to go into business together.

[The Dream Master]

I want to know more about this "NLC won't work with Lisa anymore" business. I wonder if Tuesday just remembers that they didn't want her in FvJ for whatever reason and is just using that to slander her a bit.

[Geddy Peart]

Something just doesn't add up about this. Tuesday makes herself sound like a saint, saving Lisa and all.

I'm not saying Tuesday's lying, but the things she said about Lisa being a bitch and then going into business together don't make sense.

[Chex]

It's called cat talk. That's why I would't put too much faith into anything related to her and Wilcox. The Harlin stuff is probably true as he loves his exploding buttocks.

[Scarecrow]

I think it's perfectly clear that the entire cast and crew of NOES4 descended into some drink fuelled orgy over seen by the mighty Bob Shaye.

- Scarecrow

[CharlieBrummel]

I'm not saying Tuesday's lying, but the things she said about Lisa being a bitch and then going into business together don't make sense.

Well, they were fairly young when they did Noes4 and there were 12 years between then and their next encounter. Maybe Tuesday thought she had changed.

[Geddy Peart]

I think it's perfectly clear that the entire cast and crew of NOES4 descended into some drink fuelled orgy over seen by the mighty Bob Shaye.

- Scarecrow


I wonder if Englund participated in his Freddy get-up?


Well, they were fairly young when they did Noes4 and there were 12 years between then and their next encounter. Maybe Tuesday thought she had changed.


True, maybe Tuesday felt sorry for her. It's also a dumb move to start a business venture with someone you barely know and looks sickly.

Now I really want to hear Lisa's view on what happened.

[Chex]

True, maybe Tuesday felt sorry for her. It's also a dumb move to start a business venture with someone you barely know and looks sickly.

I somewhat assumed that they got to know each other somewhat first rather than "you look deathly ill....wanna make some rings for me toes?" :p

[DRE]

I was just typing and then something hit me from out of the blue....


"Now no one sleeps!" said Freddy.

Um, Mr. Krueger, if no one sleeps then HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET THEM!? Chalk that up in the "Dumb Line" category.

[El Rooto]

Well, that's just some of the brilliance you can enjoy from this film! :D

That and the real-life locker with scratches in it.

[Geddy Peart]

No to mention Englund in drag!

[Utellme]

Why does this film get such a bad rap alot of people say the best NOES are 1-3 whats a wrong with 4 ?

If anything id say NOES 1-4 are the best ones imo. No disrespect to parts 5-7 i like those also just not as much.In fact i like part 4 better than 3.

Also what is the girls name that comes up under the water bed ? She is hot!

[Scarecrow]

Even Part 3 has a story. Part 4 HANGS a story on a series of set peicies. I mean, it hide sit well, with the whole "each victim makes her stronger" thing but, ultimatly, it's just a series of kills stacked together until its time to kick Freddy's ass. in that respect it's probably the least story-driven of the whole series.


- Scarecrow

[Hypnocil]

This movie is pretty good, I'd call it the last good Nightmare flick, unless you count part 7.

Joey, Kincaid and Kristin died way to easily. What was the point of Nancy teaching them to use their dream powers, if they didn't even use them? Oh sure, Kincaid pushed a vehicle on Freddy and Kristin acrobatted herself right into a wall of inferno. Well, I think that's what Kristin was doing. You could also interpret it as 'Kristin majestically runs into Freddy's open arms.'

The whole Knight/Wilcox fiasco has had me intrigued for awhile now. While I'm sure Lisa has her side of the story (which she's staying mum about, citing her lawyer's advisement.) I don't think Knight is making up most of it, at least the "ToeBright" fall-out. Her views on Wilcox certainly don't mesh with the VH1 special she did, but clearly she's very hurt and angry.

On the other hand, Tuesday Knight doesn't seem like she's all there at times, like when she recently sold her underware she wore back during The Dream Master, because she wanted to show solidarity with her "budz" like Britney Spears. :duh: The lady had problems with a stalker, yet she's selling used underware on the net? Who the hell would want twenty year old underware? It just seems like she's really trying to hold onto her "celebrity status" but it's just sad when you realize she's clammering onto a movie made two decades ago, and her part in the movie was nominal at best.

Still, Tuesday supposedly is now selling a legit copy of "Nightmare". I really want one. Has anyone heard it? Is it really the full, un-cut version of the song?

[Esten]

like when she recently sold her underware she wore back during The Dream Master

When the hell did she wear underwear in 4? :X

[The Dream Master]

Yuh, the full-frame version seems to indicate otherwise. :X

Besides, I'm pretty sure her underwear was the first victim of Renny's Law.

[Lance Lives]

Yuh, the full-frame version seems to indicate otherwise. :X

Besides, I'm pretty sure her underwear was the first victim of Renny's Law.

Is the full frame revealing some stuff, eh? Care to point this out?

[Rich]

I think what Freddy meant by the no one sleeps line was that no one sleeps and lives. My favorite line in Nightmare 4 was "How's THIS for a wet dream!" That was a good one.

[CountProphet]

I always heard that Patricia didn't want to come back for fear of being typecast. I heard it was because she was pregnant at the time......Then I hear that New Line didn't approach her to return to the role, and now I hear she didn't want to do it....which is it darn it?:duh:

As for Dream Master, I will admit its an enjoyable film but, as a horror film it leaves alot to be desired.

The dog piss was just a fun visual, not the catalyst for his return. Well the dog did bit Kirsten don't forget that. It had its blood all over its mouth, so maybe when it was at the junkyard, there was some traces of fear that help Fred get ressurected. Oh wait...where am I going with this...? Um.....Maybe, the dog was pissing fear?:X

[El Rooto]

Um.....Maybe, the dog was pissing fear?:X
The greatest theory yet.

[The Tall Man]

The dog was merely a dream representation of an event in reality that caused Freddy's grave to become unconsecrated and thus, not hold him. It's even possible said event happened before Nightmare 4's events.

T.M.

[God of Thunder]

Nightmare is a goddamn CLASSIC.

Really, the first 6 Nightmares are all classics. But this one is special... this one and Dream Warriors and Dream Child. I always loved the pizza restaurant scene with the human meatballs ("I LOVE soul food!) and the 'cockroach' nightmare.... that one was one of the more fucked up kills in the series.

I always thought this one had the best demise of Freddy. Man, they REALLY fucked him up here.

[Ron]

For some reason the "human meatballs" always grossed me out.

[God of Thunder]

"Rick, you little MEATBALL!"

Classicness. That whole scene is brilliant.

[Rich]

To me the only two classics are Wes' films. Nobody else has done that character any real justice. Nightmares 2 and 3 came closest.

[Utellme]

Well if for nothing else part 4 looks so freakin clean on the screen imo.Almost looks like it was filmed in HD back in 88 could be my eyes playing tricks on me.Where as part 3''s transfer to me looks like one of the worst.

[The Dream Master]

Film has a lot higher capacity for detail than what we call "HD" has, so yeah, it would look better than HD if projected on 35mm.

I think the reason 3 and 4 look so different is just the difference in styles. Dream Warriors just isn't as "lush" looking, for lack of a better term. I think both transfers hold up decently to be a decade old.

[nottidelterrore]

I'd place this as a "middle of the road" entry & rank it fourth behind Freddy's Revenge(my favourite, ANOES, & Dream Warriors. I like it better than everything that came after it, including New Nightmare. It's a great entry into the series & contains one of my favourite character from the series, Rick. My biggest gripe is the early deaths of Joey & Kincaid since I'm huge fans of them both...especially Roland & his foul mouth but that goes to show anyone is fair game in a NOES film. I didn't like Tuesday Knight as much as Patricia Arquette as Kristen but she was still pretty good in this.

Back to Rick, Andras Jones was in the episode of Good Morning, Miss Bliss(Saved By the Bell before Bayside) where he played Deke Simmons, a tough ass that couldn't read. What does he do? He wants to beat up Screech. Everybody wants to beat up Screech.

[Hypnocil]

I'd place this as a "middle of the road" entry & rank it fourth behind Freddy's Revenge(my favourite, ANOES, & Dream Warriors. I like it better than everything that came after it, including New Nightmare. It's a great entry into the series & contains one of my favourite character from the series, Rick. My biggest gripe is the early deaths of Joey & Kincaid since I'm huge fans of them both...especially Roland & his foul mouth but that goes to show anyone is fair game in a NOES film. I didn't like Tuesday Knight as much as Patricia Arquette as Kristen but she was still pretty good in this.

Not that it makes much of a difference, but the script for Nightmare 4 casts a more somber tone on the remaining dream-warrior survivors that is ultimately absent in the movie, and Kristen gets a couple of extra good lines with Alice.

But yeah, after DW gets us to care about them, it sucks that both were killed off so easily.

[Rich]

Nightmare 4 while not being as frightening as the first two or New Nightmare and not being as skilfully written as Nightmare 3, offers a popcorn quality to it. It is one of those beer and pizza kind of movies. The one liners are pretty good. Freddy's make-up is good. Freddy's voice is awesome! The story line was decent. I perfer the scary Freddy to the funny Freddy, but there is still room for more then one interpretation of a character. This is fiction after all.

[nottidelterrore]

But yeah, after DW gets us to care about them, it sucks that both were killed off so easily.

Reminds me of how Newt & Hicks are killed off at the beginning of Alien 3 after becoming well-loved by fans in Aliens.

[Deathscythe]

I feel the same about the characters being killed off. I actually prefer Dream Child as my favorite Alice film but I enjoy this one as well.

[Rich]

Alice was more mature and defined in Dream Child. In Dream Master she didn't even get strong until the end. In Dream Child she was ready and willing to kick Freddy's ass. The stakes were a lot higher for her as well, because the life of her unborn child was hanging in the ballance as Krueger used the unborn baby's dreams to do his dirty work. What an evil bad man that Freddy is.

As far as Nightmare 4, it was really messed up when me ruined Joey's wet dream. It's like, if you're going to kill the kid, at least let him have one more good dream. That is what Freddy is all about though I guess. He used Joey's sexuality against him and mocked him while doing it.

[Deathscythe]

I wonder what they did to that bed when they found Joey drowned underneath.

[Ron]

They most likely drained all of the water from it and gave the poor kid an autopsy.;)

[The Tall Man]

That was really dumb (Joey being in the water). Probably Renny's off-the-cuff doings. No adults were minding the candy store.

T.M.

[The Dream Master]

I think Renny must have gotten a hold of a FN script at some point and wanted his own weird shit to happen.

[The Tall Man]

How did Renny get a hold of something that didn't exist yet? @_@ Doc Brown visiting the set?

T.M.

[The Dream Master]

It was an advance copy that De Luca and the boys had come up with, meaning it was written on the back of a napkin. Incidentally, that also managed to serve as the shooting script as well.

[Rich]

I liked the scene where Joey is under the water. Sure it makes no scientific sense whatsoever, but it is Nightmare on Elm Street we are talking about here. In the world of horror films (especially Nightmare on Elm) there is no such thing as science. Anything goes. In context of the scene that led up to that it does makes sense from a story telling perepective.

I think it was ultimately done for shock value. I remember the first time I saw the film, my reaction was, "holy shit! the kid is actually inside the water in the water bed!" It was a "what the fuck/holy shit" kind of shocking moment. It was something you didn't expect, and the look on Joey's face along with the single air bubble that came out of his mouth (I think) really sold the scene. If felt authentic despite how phantastic is was.

"How's THIS for a wet dream!"

[Hypnocil]

Wait a minute! Kristen died by fire, Joey by water...how can we use that?

I guess I always viewed Joey being found in the waterbed along the same lines as Glen's death, or Jennifer's. People would just not know how to explain it. Freddy can seemingly pick and choose how he wants his victims to appear in the real world. Sometimes he gives them "logical" deaths, like Rod murdering Tina and then hanging himself, or the rash of suicides. But sometimes he really wants to fuck with the Elm Street parents.

[Scarecrow]

Wait a minute! Kristen died by fire, Joey by water...how can we use that?
.

Thanks for making me almost spill my orange juice laughing. :P


- Scarecrow

[Rich]

Wait a minute! Kristen died by fire, Joey by water...how can we use that?

We can use fire to boil water and make some tana leaf tea and give it to Kharis. Nine leaves during the cycle of the full moon will give him mobility. He walks at night, while people dream in their beds. He breaks into your home while Freddy is already in your head! :D

[MaDMaNMaRz]

I watched this last night for the first time in 2-3 years. I still think it's a pretty good entry in the series. It has exploding explosions, flaming dog piss, and Tuesday Knight!

I always thought it was a shame that Kincaid and Joey were killed off so early in the movie. It would've been nice if they had a showdown in the end, and then maybe make their deaths more dramatic. I still find it odd when Joeys mom found him, he was actually in the waterbed.

Despite its flaws, I think it's a good sequel.....and the last good sequel in the series IMO.

[Rich]

You know, I think the Kristin of Nightmare 3 was much prettier and a better actress then the one of Part 4. I was not even a fan of the character in Part 4 that much. I wish she would have retained her dream power from Part 3.

[The Tall Man]

Glass-shattering screams, Rich?

Guh.

T.M.

[Rich]

She had a sexy scream. :D

Plus I liked how her character was the entire plot device for the whole Nigtmare 3 story. It all snowballed from her attack in which Freddy made it look like a suicide attempt. That is the reason she was send to Westin Hills and joined the rest of the Freddy dreamers.

In Part 4 she was played off as "just one of those part 3 leftovers that have to get killed off in this one" before the story can continue. I think they kind of wasted her character (in more then one way) in Nightmare 4. It is a shame really.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

Rich, I agree. I thought Patricia Arquette was better as Kristin. But I still do like Tuesday.

While I enjoy 4, I do find it to be the least story driven in the series. I really wished they had kept the remaining characters from Dream Warriors, and developed them even more. Really, 4 is just one nightmare sequence after another.....but the nightmares were good. But I still love this entry.

[Rich]

The writers guild went on strike during the scripting of Elm Street 4. The script revisions were in the hands of the producer and the director, whom both decided that Elm 4 would rely more on special effects then plot, hence the film they made.

[CountProphet]

Freddy basically, did divide and conquer with the last 3 remaining Elm Street kids. Notice that he goes from strongest(Kincaid) to weakest(Kirsten). Besides, with them getting picked off one by one, and without Nancy's guidance, they were really just easy pickings.

[Jus-X]

Alice was more mature and defined in Dream Child. In Dream Master she didn't even get strong until the end. In Dream Child she was ready and willing to kick Freddy's ass. The stakes were a lot higher for her as well, because the life of her unborn child was hanging in the ballance as Krueger used the unborn baby's dreams to do his dirty work. What an evil bad man that Freddy is.

As far as Nightmare 4, it was really messed up when me ruined Joey's wet dream. It's like, if you're going to kill the kid, at least let him have one more good dream. That is what Freddy is all about though I guess. He used Joey's sexuality against him and mocked him while doing it.

I remember the first time I saw this movie was on TV, and she came up but you didn't see anything. Freddy came up and I was just like... poor Joey!!!

Then I bought the VHS box set for the first time, and when watching it I saw boobs and body! I was like "Yes! Naked chick! Hot! Nice boobies! I love you... wait where are you going?!" Then Freddy pops up and I shouted "Mother Fucker!!!"
Wait a minute! Kristen died by fire, Joey by water...how can we use that?

I guess I always viewed Joey being found in the waterbed along the same lines as Glen's death, or Jennifer's. People would just not know how to explain it. Freddy can seemingly pick and choose how he wants his victims to appear in the real world. Sometimes he gives them "logical" deaths, like Rod murdering Tina and then hanging himself, or the rash of suicides. But sometimes he really wants to fuck with the Elm Street parents.

I always compared this death to Glen's in 1. It didn't hold any kind of reality to it which I bet made the parents really screwed up in the head... btw, didn't Joey's mom remind you of Ethel from Friday 5? Maybe not so dirty and southern, but hair and clothes being the same.

[CountProphet]

How the hell, did Joey's mom even assume he was in bed. There was no body formation.:duh:

[Jus-X]

*crickets chirping*

[Rich]

How the hell, did Joey's mom even assume he was in bed. There was no body formation.:duh:

I have read that mothers have (sometimes) an unexplainable extra sense when it comes to their children. I think it was in one of my child psychology books. They can not really define what it is, but mothers instinctively get some kind of "feeling" over them when their child is in some sort of trouble. I'm not saying that this is what Renny Harlin was thinking during the filming of the movie. He was probably just going for a scream and a shock, but you could actually make some kind of sense of it.

[Nancy Thompson]

You know, I think the Kristin of Nightmare 3 was much prettier and a better actress then the one of Part 4. I was not even a fan of the character in Part 4 that much. I wish she would have retained her dream power from Part 3.


Patricia Arquette was alot prettier and a better actress then Tuesday Knight. Tuesday Knight just rub me wrong. I do not know if it was the way she act or how they total did a 180 with Kristin charcter in part 4. Only good thing Tuesday did for the Movie was sing the opening Song "Nightmares"

[The Tall Man]

Tuesday Knight just rub me wrong.
I wish Tuesday would rub me wrong.

Wait, wha?

T.M.

[Jus-X]

Tuesday's pretty hot in the bikini seen...

[Rich]

Patricia Arquette was also a lot more sympathetic. She was a better actress over all. Tuesday just didn't really do anything for me, even with the bakini scene.

[Jus-X]

Tuesday was great in a bikini, but not so much in the rest of the movie. Here's a more modern pic and she waaaay hotter than Patty.

http://www.tuesdayknightonline.com/image/Bio/TK.jpg

Vs

http://www.aahairstyle.com/wp-content/uploads/Patricia-Arquette-bob-haircut-3.jpg

[The Dream Master]

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/5518/freddymirror.jpg

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http://nightmareonelmstreetfilms.com/0/4b/full/nightmare4behind04.jpg

[Jus-X]

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/5518/freddymirror.jpg

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http://nightmareonelmstreetfilms.com/0/4b/full/nightmare4behind04.jpg

Mirror mirror on the wall... who's... son ofa... ahhhh!!!!

[nottidelterrore]

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c332/albadeimorti/2ed0798b.jpg

[Jus-X]

Yeah, the movie definitly made Dramarama's Anything Anything a good karate work out song.

[nottidelterrore]

Definitely. I don't do karate but I do have the song added to my MP3 & listen to it while I exercise. :)

[Deathscythe]

I love that song as well, I have it on my iPod.

Anyway, I thought Tuesday Knight was hot in the opening scene and that was it. Niw Lisa Wilcox on the other hand was fine and I'm not really into blondes.

[Jus-X]

I played the song at a coffee shop once all lounge styled and people thought I wrote it. It was slowed down and played on my accoustic guitar. I had to say it was Dramarama and everyone was like... Ooooo. I remember that from a Freddy movie! Good times.

[The Dream Master]

I listen to "Anything, Anything" on my way home every Friday. And yes, I punch the air while listening to it.

[The Tall Man]

How many other drivers has you hit doing this?

T.M.

[The Dream Master]

None so far, but there was that encounter with a drifter one time.

But that was a different story altogether...I had to beat him to death with his own shoes.

[nottidelterrore]

I listen to "Anything, Anything" on my way home every Friday. And yes, I punch the air while listening to it.

http://starsmedia.ign.com/stars/image/article/845/845084/red-the-bum-20080111024010426-000.jpg

"Crazy drunk driver."

[Jason_Legend]

I've went back and forth with this movie over the years. I thought the only flaw with 3, was that it had a few cheesy things in it. In this one, nearly the whole movie is cheesy. I still can't hate it, though. I like Alice, I like some of the kills, and some of the dialogue is really sharp.

[Jus-X]

I want to know why when Rick was fighting invisible Freddy, the glove came up and stabbed the guy who fell asleep on the pot, Alice wakes up and screams, and there's this explosion!!! WTF? Where did that come from? Why was there an explosion? Everytime Freddy killed someone, however they died in the dream effects their body in the real world... was his glove a rocket of some kind, exploding Rick upon impact?

[nottidelterrore]

explosion!!!

http://www.nndb.com/people/819/000043690/renny-harlin-crop.jpg

[The Dream Master]

Why was there an explosion?

http://www.freewebs.com/alien_5/harlin_1_0.bmp
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Holy fuck, Notti. :X

[Jus-X]

Okay, maybe someone could try to explain a reason why there was an explosion? I mean, really, I can blame Hedder for not explaining why it looks like Jason is teleporting... or I can say maybe he was hit by electricity so many times, he had the Flash's abilities until Toxic Waste was splashed in his face.

[The Dream Master]

Notti and I provided your answer (at the exact same time, no less).

The answer is Renny Harlin, who was simply upholding Renny's Law.

[CountProphet]

Yeah, to appeal to the Mtv crowd.:shifty:

[nottidelterrore]

http://www.freewebs.com/alien_5/harlin_1_0.bmp

Holy fuck, Notti. :X

Notti and I provided your answer (at the exact same time, no less).

The answer is Renny Harlin, who was simply upholding Renny's Law.

Harsh Corps: We're fucking geniuses. I'm suprised that Tally & Esten didn't post it at the same time too. :D

[Brett H.]

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/2466/rennyslaw.jpg

[The Tall Man]

You know, the guys have a lot of funs and games with Renny (and Justyn, that IS the answer to your question). But all the things they say about Renny Harlin was actually true about special effects director Teruyoshi Nakano. He was once quoted on set as saying "Hey, let's blow some stuff up! Looks great, don't it? Let's blow up more!". And the man actually wound up burning down an entire Toho soundstage while shooting "Prophecies of Nostradamus" in 1974. Had to call in the fire department and everything. That's talent.

But yeah, the window explodes because of Renny's Law. You can create a drinking game out of all the shit that explodes in Nightmare 4.

"Exploding... explosion?"

T.M., Esq.

[Jus-X]

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/2466/rennyslaw.jpg

This doesn't look photoshopped at all!!!
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But yeah, the window explodes because of Renny's Law. You can create a drinking game out of all the shit that explodes in Nightmare 4.

"Exploding... explosion?"

T.M., Esq.

I love making drinking games out of shit like that. Watching a Cameron flick and take a sheet each time you see feet.

But I now have to think back to the movie and think about all the things that explode in it...

[The Tall Man]

Justyn, TRUST ME, you will not be able to recall off hand everything that blows up in Nightmare 4. We can't even catch them all WATCHING it.

T.M., Esq.

[Esten]

DM and notti are gay for Renny. And that's ok. Who isn't?

Justyn, TRUST ME, you will not be able to recall off hand everything that blows up in Nightmare 4. We can't even catch them all WATCHING it.

We're just so mesmerized by the awesomeness, that we lose count.

[nottidelterrore]

Well, Die Hard 2 is my favorite of the series.....

[Deathscythe]

Fucking, A! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1pZex7gbx8&feature=related)

[CountProphet]

I just this film again and all I have to say is...its getting really harder for me to watch it.....I use to like it but, the damn silliness, lighter tone, campiness aren't really rubbing me well, as it use to. Oh, well I always have Nightmares 1-3 and 5 to pull me over.

[The Tall Man]

I use to like it but, the damn silliness, lighter tone, campiness are really rubbing me well, as it use to.
In other words... all the things that make it actually fun to watch.

T.M., Esq.

[CountProphet]

Pretty much, the only things that made me sit through the whole thing, was some of the special effects, the characters(except, Tuesday's Knight Kirsten who sounds more like, shes having orgasms then screaming, and that useless Debbie who had no point except, for a moderately interesting death scene), some Freddy one-liners atleast, in this one he spoke with more depth than in Dream Child which, ever quote was basically, one-liners from him in that film....,The Final Battle and the ripping of Freddy's Souls, and nostalgia of the time(even though I wasn't even born in the 80s.:duh::X)

Oh, yeah by the way is that soap they mention...Dynasty. Was that really a real soap-opera or, just something invented in the film? Just saying since, Nighmare 4 really seems like, a 'pop horror' film too me.

[The Dream Master]

Dynasty was real (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynasty_(TV_series)).

[The Tall Man]

Dynasty was HUGE.

T.M., Esq.

[Rich]

I will always be a fan of the scarier Freddy, but there is a place for the funny version of the character as well. I think my favorite scene in Elm 4 is when Joey sees a naked girl inside the water of his water bed, then Freddy bursts out and says, "How's THIS, for a wet dream!" and pulls him under the water, his claws rise from the water and fall, and then there is blood everywhere in the water.

[CountProphet]

I like this film til Freddy kills Kincaid at the junkyard. After, that it got silly.

[Jus-X]

Pretty much, the only things that made me sit through the whole thing, was some of the special effects, the characters(except, Tuesday's Knight Kirsten who sounds more like, shes having orgasms then screaming, and that useless Debbie who had no point except, for a moderately interesting death scene), some Freddy one-liners atleast, in this one he spoke with more depth than in Dream Child which, ever quote was basically, one-liners from him in that film....,The Final Battle and the ripping of Freddy's Souls, and nostalgia of the time(even though I wasn't even born in the 80s.:duh::X)

Oh, yeah by the way is that soap they mention...Dynasty. Was that really a real soap-opera or, just something invented in the film? Just saying since, Nighmare 4 really seems like, a 'pop horror' film too me.

Atleast I don't want to smakc her everytime she screams. I really hated when Patricia Arquette screamed and wimpered.

I hated the factTuesday "smoked" in this movie. I wouldn't mind it so much if she actually lit the cigarette and inhaled the smoke... but she took a drag of an unlit cigarette... and blew out nothing!!! WTF!?!?!? I think they only had this scene in the movie just to give a reason as to why Kristen's room burst into flames.

I also wonder why Kincaid didn't have slashmarks in his stomach after Freddy killed him? Everything in the dream world carries over in the real world in the movies... makes no sense.

Great scene in the movie, Jason urinates fire!!! The dog. His name was.... oh nevermind!

[The Tall Man]

I also wonder why Kincaid didn't have slashmarks in his stomach after Freddy killed him? Everything in the dream world carries over in the real world in the movies... makes no sense.
Did you not see the scene where Joey's corpse is found UNDER the water in the waterbed?

Nightmare 4 was throwing logic to the wind by that point.

T.M., Esq.

[Rich]

As far as Kincaid's slashmarks, he didn't get slashed, he got stabbed, so there would not be slash marks. There would be punctures. Maybe they were, but under the shirt. They probably figured the MPAA would cut it down anyway, so might as well make that one dry.

As far as logic goes, Tall Man said it. Plus it is a film about a character who lives in dreams. I mean, logic never really did come into the picture. It has been phantasy based since day one.

[Darth Sinister]

Did you not see the scene where Joey's corpse is found UNDER the water in the waterbed?

Nightmare 4 was throwing logic to the wind by that point.

T.M., Esq.

And Glen's death was logicial?

Oh, yeah by the way is that soap they mention...Dynasty. Was that really a real soap-opera or, just something invented in the film?

"Dynasty" was an 80's prime-time drama/soap opera, that aired on ABC. It starred John Forsythe, Linda Lavin and Joan Collins. Heather Locklar was on there after she did "TJ Hooker". Rock Hudson was on their before his death. The show was famous for it's cat fights between Lavin and Collins characters. It produced a short lived spinoff called "The Colbys".

[Rich]

To tell the truth I actually liked the shot of him inside the water bed. Sure it is not possible, but it is a phantasy film so who cares? I think it was the moment that shocked me the most the first time I ever saw it. I was like, "holy shit, he's actually IN the water in the bed!" IT was certainly something you did not see coming.

[Esten]

A Phantasy film? Coscarelli beg for change to get this shit made?

[The Tall Man]

A Phantasy film? Coscarelli beg for change to get this shit made?
New Line apparently had to turn down the money from Universal because of their strict "NO DREAMS" policy for Nightmare 4.

T,M., Esq.

[Utellme]

I wish they would get moving on a Blu Ray box set for the NOES series.

And a nice book NOES Memories.

Maybe there waiting until after the remake.

[The Dream Master]

I'm guessing we'll see some Blu-ray discs when the remake hits theaters or home video.

[Nancy Thompson]

Dynasty was HUGE.

T.M., Esq.

you know i could never get into Dynasty but it was huge

now i loved dallas
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Did you not see the scene where Joey's corpse is found UNDER the water in the waterbed?

Nightmare 4 was throwing logic to the wind by that point.

T.M., Esq.

Tall man is right about this. Because logic is no one can be under the waterbed like Joey was.

[Rich]

That was my favorite scene in Elm Street 4 though. Joey sees a naked woman in the water and then Freddy pops out and says, "How's THIS for a wet dream?" I loved that part.

[Jus-X]

That chick was hot too!

[Rich]

Actually I was just watching this film last night and now I have a new favorite scene. I absolutely love at the end when all the souls come out of Freddy and they literally tear him apart to do it.

[CountProphet]

And it took this long for it to be one of your favorites why......?:confused:

[CanadianFonzie]

haha I LOVE that part, one thing I love about this movie is I'd call it the most disgusting Nightmare film, my favourite part of the movie is probably when whats-her-face gets turned into a cockroach

[Nancy Thompson]

That was my favorite scene in Elm Street 4 though. Joey sees a naked woman in the water and then Freddy pops out and says, "How's THIS for a wet dream?" I loved that part.

I have always loved that part because you would think Joey would had learn from what happen in Dream Child if a sexy woman is coming on to you and your asleep its Krueger!

[CanadianFonzie]

Dream Child

Dream Warriors*

[The One and Only]

Well, in Joey's defense ,he thought Freddy was done for. And two, as we saw by the posters on his wall, other than Freddy, we know what was on his mind.;)

[Rich]

And it took this long for it to be one of your favorites why......?:confused:

It was always one my my favorite scenes, but it just got bumped up to the favorite scene in Elm 4 for me.

Well, in Joey's defense ,he thought Freddy was done for. And two, as we saw by the posters on his wall, other than Freddy, we know what was on his mind.;)

Yes, Joey believed Freddy to be dead and gone. To him it was just a normal wet dream. That Freddy is an evil...evil man. :shifty:

[Nancy Thompson]

Dream Warriors*


lol i was watching dream child when i post that i am a dumbass

[Utellme]

That chick was hot too!


My pick for hottest chic of the franchise.

[The One and Only]

Hey, been meaning to put this up since I saw the ad for it in the Diamond Previews Catalog. From Mezco Toyz Cinema of Fear line. Or more exactly the fourth. Along with Jason, you can order either a Surgeon Freddy from The Dream Master, or a transforming Debbie as right here. (http://www.mezcotoyz.com/products/cof_004.asp)

[Jus-X]

It was always one my my favorite scenes, but it just got bumped up to the favorite scene in Elm 4 for me.



Yes, Joey believed Freddy to be dead and gone. To him it was just a normal wet dream. That Freddy is an evil...evil man. :shifty:

I'm sure Joey had a lot of wet dreams, so Freddy was the last thing on his mind when neked blond chick comes up in his bed.

[CountProphet]

Is that blonde chick all you think about when talking about Pt. 4 Justyn?:p

[Jus-X]

Is that blonde chick all you think about when talking about Pt. 4 Justyn?:p

Maybe......

[CanadianFonzie]

she's all I think about...and I'm not the married one Justyn:p

[Darth Reaper]

Now I really want to know what happened between Tuesday and Lisa. They say there are three sides to every story, there's one guy's side, there's the other guy's side, and then there's the truth somewhere in the middle. I'm curious about what Lisa's side to this is and what the actual objective reality is.

As far as Joey being inside his waterbed goes, it seems to me that Freddy has a habit of either staging his victims' deaths in such a way that they can be explained as something else (an accident, suicide, somebody else's doing, etc.), or he'll make their deaths so outragous that they can't be explained at all. How exactly would they explain Glen's death in part 1, or how Jennifer ended up face first in a TV that was suspended from a wall in part 3?

[The Tall Man]

Darth, I always thought that Max thought Jennifer rammed her head into the television tube to commit suicide.

T.M., Esq.

[CountProphet]

Don't know about the tv death. I mean really no foul play was expected in that?

[Darth Reaper]

Darth, I always thought that Max thought Jennifer rammed her head into the television tube to commit suicide.

T.M., Esq.

How would she do something like that? I don't think it's physically possible. And, I think that's the point. In a way, I think Freddy is mocking the adults because they can't bring themselves to accept the truth. He offers up proof to them that something supernatural is going on but they refuse to see it, and that just tickles him pink. He adds insult to injury by forcing them to confront things that they're not equipped to deal with.

I'm assuming that at least one if not both of Joey's parents was involved in Freddy's murder. That's why he didn't need Alice to get to him. Imagine what it must feel like for them to lose their son like that. Making it look like an accident or suicide is bad enough, but this is beyond their ability to understand. And, they'll have to live with that lack of understanding for the rest of their lives, Not only is he dead but his death makes no sense.

[The Tall Man]

How would she do something like that? I don't think it's physically possible.
Um... seems fairly simple to me. You'd just swing your head back and throw it into the tube. A television tube (especially in 1987) wasn't that hard and remember Jason's head didn't have that much trouble going through one.

Again, you have to think about it froma desperate suicidal point of view. And in Nightmare 3, Freddy wasn't on a "this'll really freak them out" thing. He was on a big "make it look like suicide" kick. If you'll recall, Gordon mentions to Nancy many suicide cases at Westin Hills-- these are supposed to be unseen victims of Freddy. Krueger tries the same thing with Kristin and accomplishes it with Phillip. Jennifer's death is no different.

T.M., Esq.

[Jus-X]

TM, I think what Reaper's saying is that, yes, putting your head through a TV would be easy. But for a chick with little energy from sleep deprevation to jump 4 feet into the air, put her head through the TV and hang there until Morpheus arrives. The sensible and knowledgeful adults shake it off a suicide, because the thought of a real demon is just absurd. Its like a creationist and an athiest looking at the grand canyon, one thinks it was made by design, the other by millions of years of evaporating water. One is right, the other isn't. The easier idea would be creation, but the athiest doesn't believe the easier idea, he believes the sensible one.

Freddy in this movie took a sensible idea and showed it to be easier to believe he really existed, that he killed Jennifer... but the adults couldn't wrap their mind around the plausible answer and turned to the scientifical, no matter how farfetched a girl hanging 4 feet into the air was... it had to be suicide.

[The Dream Master]

Yeah, that's one of the very few flaws of DW--I never could figure out how anyone could think her death was suicide. That TV is easily six feet off the ground, and there's nothing nearby that Jennifer could have stood on to pull it off (well, there is, but it's too far from the TV). Unless people really thought that she jumped up, grabbed the tv, and pulled herself into it without making the thing fall off the wall in the first place. :X

I'm assuming that at least one if not both of Joey's parents was involved in Freddy's murder.

No reason to assume. That's the point of the movie--the kids are the last of the "Elm Street children" whose parents torched Freddy in the first place.

[Darth Reaper]

Um... seems fairly simple to me. You'd just swing your head back and throw it into the tube. A television tube (especially in 1987) wasn't that hard and remember Jason's head didn't have that much trouble going through one.- The Tall Man

But, as everyone else pointed out, even if she could smash her head through that TV, how did she get herself six feet up into the air to do it, and end up dangling from it like that? There would have to be something nearby for her to stand on in order to make it look like a suicide, and there wasn't. She was just hanging there.

If Freddy had wanted to make it look like a suicide he could have at least positioned something near the body to give the impression that she was standing on it to reach the TV. He didn't do that, so my gut says that he was going for an entirely different effect.

And in Nightmare 3, Freddy wasn't on a "this'll really freak them out" thing. He was on a big "make it look like suicide" kick.

I should have mentioned this earlier but I'd say that Freddy doesn't go over the top like that all the time because he knows that doing so could unwittingly force people to recognize the reality of his existence. You can only push those buttons so many times before people have no choice but to get the hint. Then, somebody would no doubt try to do something about him, and that would make his afterlife more difficult. So, he only does something outragous every once in awhile, enough to really shake people up and get them scratching their heads but not enough to actually push them into believing in him.

I'd say that FREDDY VS. JASON shows this scenario finally happening. Freddy's been around so long that the people have no choice to recognize that he's real. Then, they looked for a way to get rid of him and for awhile they succeeded. You could say that time finally caught up with Freddy, and you could even say that he pushed his luck too far by wiping out every child in Springwood and driving the adults into a state of mass hysteria by FREDDY'S DEAD.

Yeah, that's one of the very few flaws of DW--I never could figure out how anyone could think her death was suicide.- The Dream Master

Well, to me at least, the idea would be that they're either unwilling or unable to accept the truth so instead they try to rationalize it the best they can. I suspect that the idea that an evil spirit killed her in her dream would never even enter their minds, which leaves the incident all the more baffling. When the truth is too terrible or too confounding to deal with, people often see what they want to see.

On an interesting note, they don't actually say in the movie that Jennifer killed herself. The most that is said is when Dr. Gordon says something to the effect that a young girl alone in a TV room dies. He never mentions suicide. Now, you could say that suicide was a given and could go without saying, because it fits with everything else that's been going on in Springwood, but I wonder if this is a sign that they don't know how to explain her death so they aren't even trying to. All they can say is that she died, how it played out is beyond them. Or, they just haven't thought of a way to rationalize it yet.

[The Dude]

watching part 4 right now and i'm wondering, "what's with Urkels sister?"

[Jus-X]

watching part 4 right now and i'm wondering, "what's with Urkels sister?"

WTF mang! She's a hottie!!!

[The Dude]

WTF mang! She's a hottie!!!

That's what gets me! She looks like Urkel's sister but at the same time i'm thinking she could be hot.

[The One and Only]

I think this flick came out about a year before Family Matters inflicted itself on Friday nights. It wouldn't surprise me the gal would've been the inspiration for Steven Urkel. Although she had a deeper voice.

[The Dude]

I think this flick came out about a year before Family Matters inflicted itself on Friday nights. It wouldn't surprise me the gal would've been the inspiration for Steven Urkel. Although she had a deeper voice.

Maybe nerdy black kids were just a common stereotype in late 80's/early90's culture.

[Bill 1981]

:lmao: @ "Urkel's Sister"

For the record, I'd have tapped that ass. :X

[Rich]

She was kind of cute actually. Then Freddy sucked the life out of her.

[Just Jeans]

She was hawt, and Family Matters rawks.

[The One and Only]

Quote by J.T. Jeans:
And Family Matters rawks.
I think John Mclaughlin would have the best reply to that statement with,
WRONG!!!

[Rich]

I like Family Matters the tv show. I did not find any of the Elm Street 4 girls all that atractive to be honest. I did not like the new Christin at all. I liked the Part 3 actress.

[Just Jeans]

WRONG!!!

WRONG!!!!!

[Jus-X]

I like Family Matters the tv show. I did not find any of the Elm Street 4 girls all that atractive to be honest. I did not like the new Christin at all. I liked the Part 3 actress.

I was just fucking around when I said Urkel's sister was hot, then the concept exploded. I'm not sure if anyone else was kidding. But the only chick I actually found attractive was Alice, and that was after she killed Freddy

[The Tall Man]

Nightmare 4 actually has a healthy crop of beautiful women amongst its cast.

T.M., Esq.

[SlasherFreak]

You know, I haven't given some of these movies their deserved "another chance" in awhile.

I watch 1,2 and 3 a couple times a year. Back in the early 90's I used to watch the other ones from time to time. I havent seen 4-new nightmare in at least 6 or 7 years...and I have the boxset and never watched them.

Since I have off again today, I'll watch at least 4 through Freddy's Dead

[Utellme]

Nightmare 4 actually has a healthy crop of beautiful women amongst its cast.

T.M., Esq.

The girl in the water bed,Christen,Alice and so on your right on that one TM.

[CanadianFonzie]

and the woman in freddy at the end, we've been over that:p

[Deathscythe]

Dramarama's "Anything" song came on the radio today. That alone made my day.

[Jus-X]

Dramarama's "Anything" song came on the radio today. That alone made my day.

Classic song!

[The Tall Man]

The girl in the water bed,Christen,Alice and so on your right on that one TM.
I was more referring to Kristen, Sheila, Debbie, and Alice, Utell.

Girl in the water bed and Linnea? Eh. They're just random topless girls.

T.M., Esq.

[CanadianFonzie]

Kristen, Sheila, Debbie, and Alice, Utell.

T.M., Esq.

when I first read that I thought you were including Utell on to that list HAHA

[The Dude]

I was just fucking around when I said Urkel's sister was hot, then the concept exploded. I'm not sure if anyone else was kidding. But the only chick I actually found attractive was Alice, and that was after she killed Freddy

hey man i only said i think she could be hot... lose the over sized glasses, get a nice pair of tight jeans to show of her ass, modernize the hair-do, but keep that yellow spandex shirt!

[The One and Only]

I realized when I first saw this flick that the brainy girl's death was the inspiration for the Martin Prince's demise in the classic BART SIMPSON'S TREEHOUSE OF HORROR:PART VI segment entitled "A Nightmare On Evergreen Terrace" . Where Martin is slain while sleeping in class by the revenge driven specter of Groundskeeper Willie. But the real funny part is when Pricipal Skinner asks the EMTs to be discreet about removing the body. Unfortunately the EMTs loose the sheet covering Martin's body, scare the clasmates, and when Skinner tries to pick up the pace of getting the carcass out. The EMTs end up going through the kindergarden class, where we hear little wee screams.:lmao:

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

I just found this while surfing on YouTube, so I thought I'd post it here because I know some of you would enjoy it. It's a NOES 4 Documentary that aired back in the day when USA was cool. It contains a lot of great BTS footage as well as interviews.

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[SlasherFreak]

Haha, I had that VHS I bought from fuckin Woolworth for 2 or 3 bucks back when I was little...damn, I forgot about that shit, I wonder where it went!.

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

Random NOES4 Thought:

I don't care if it is a dream sequence, that dog was PISSING FIRE to bring back Freddy Krueger. Sweet mercy...he's urinating flames.

[Dramarama]

Classic song!

I love them lol!!