JAWS (On Blu-ray, August 14, 2012)

[CampNewBlood]

Not a thread for these yet so I made one for us.

Part 1: love
Part 2: love
Part 3: like
Part 4: like

Sure the first 2 had better f/x, but I enjoyed them all and have them all on DVD.

I want another sequel.....I know, I know....I can hear the "No, Jaws doesn't need another sequel." protests now, but I enjoy sequels to movies.

[DavidDunn]

I too am a big Jaws fan. I have all of the original novels, and I've seen all four films more times than can count. The first was an absolute classic, of course. I thought that the second was just as good, if not slightly better. After all, Jaws 2 had a more suspenseful plot to it. I mean, Hooper, Quint, and Brody were on the Orca, armed with all kinds of shit, and the kids in the regatta in Jaws 2 had nothing but the hope of reaching Cable Junction. Jaws 2 was actually my personal favorite, and I saw nothing wrong with holding it just as high in regard as Jaws. Jaws 3-D was probably my least favorite. It had an ok plotline, but Sea World Florida is nowhere near the open ocean, sharks can't swim backwards, the film was so dark that you couldn't see shit half the time, and the 3-D effects were gawd-awful. The best 3-D film of that year was easily Friday the 13th Part 3. Plus, Dennis Quaid just felt out of place to me as Mike Brody. Lance Guest on the other hand in Jaws 4 was right at home in the role, for me. As hokey and stupid as Jaws 4: The Revenge is, I still regard it over 3-D any day. The locations in that film were breathtaking, it had Michael fuckin' Caine, and that sunken sub chase was actually one of the more remembered scenes from the saga. As for a Jaws 5, yeah, I'd love to see it made. I heard that there will be a 5th Jaws, but it's going to be DTV. I don't want another Shark Attack film, so that's bad news. I really wouldn't mind a film bringing Hooper back to battle the shark. An aging Richard Dreyfuss would fit right in with the aging Rocky, Rambo, and Indiana Jones ideas.

[CampNewBlood]

Yea I think Richard Dreyfuss could bring something back to the films that is lacking after Jaws 2.

I heard about the Jaws 5 rumors too, but read months ago that it was just that, rumor. Nothing more. Who knows...if Universal sees potential in the franchise again (which it still has IMO) they would try and cash in with another sequel.

[James M]

Only really good one to me is the first.

JAWS 2 equation: JAWS - Dreyfuss - climatic shark hunt + annoying screaming kids = JAWS 2. It's basically JAWS with the good stuff taken out. Yeah, it looks good compared to JAWS 3 and 4, but doesn't most anything?

[Lammert]

Jaws used to be my favorite movie series before my Friday obsession started.

I love the original, its still a great movie... I watched it recently again, the first time I watched it in years, and its still one of the best horror movies out there.

Jaws 2 is a good sequel, my biggest irritation is the grey shark and how fake it is compaired to the first. Still love it tough...

Jaws 3 was a good idea, but it flawed... especially the shark scenes. And I hate those stupid flippers and their trainer(Kate?). Especially when they are alive again in the final scene.

Jaws 4 was good, I enjoyed it. Tough the ending(both versions) is the movies biggest flaw. I loved the Bahama's setting.

[The New Blood]

I love the Jaws series. The original is the best by far of course, but part 2 has some great moments as well. Part 3 is alright, as Lammert said is was a good idea but very flawed. If only they did not try to make this a 3D movie, I believe it would have been much better. Those special effects and stupid random crap staying right infront of the screen for way too long really hurt the film. As for part 4, I think its terrible, but with the ending where the shark gets stabbed by the boat its kinda alright. The one where the shark explodes just makes me never want to see the movie again. Has this come on DVD with the original ending intact? The version I have has the terrible exploding shark ending...

[Skott]

The original is my favorite movie of all time with Jaws 2 coming in right behind it. The first two films were excellent and it went downhill from there...3 is entertaining enough to watch but not a good movie and the dolphins are annoying as hell. The beginning of Jaws 4 is excellent and to this day lingers in the back of my mind when retrieving something from the water. I suppose if the film didn't take place in the Bahamas or they made it so that the shark didn't follow Ellen it would have been decent. I can only imagine no one involved took it very seriously to begin with as it has some of the most sloppy shots I've ever seen on film. The shark is fake enough without being able to see the mounting device and various electronics coming out of the belly...not to mention the things a shark can and can't do....As for the ending, horrid, the full on impale ending isn't bad but everything leading up to it...the slow motion Jake death/bite, roaring shark...ugh. Oh, no sequels please! The ONLY Jaws related production in the future should be the U.S.S Indianapolis flick that been in production hell for decades. Even then, unless they use a younger Quint character it shouldn't have anything to do with Jaws.

[The Dream Master]

Jaws is my second favorite movie ever (after The Empire Strikes Back). I've been obsessed with it since I was about 4 years old (I still have the VHS copy my aunt gave me for my 4th birthday).

That said, the only sequel I want to see to Jaws is actually a prequel that details the USS Indianapolis story that Quint told. I'm not completely sure that even that is enough to make an entire film though.

On the old forum, I detailed the quandary for the Jaws series (as I see it, anyway): any sequel that tries to be connected to the original films would seem contrived (unless they somehow brought Hooper back), and any other sequel that wasn't connected would just be a generic shark flick with the name "Jaws" slapped on it.

[Skott]

Richard Dreyfuss is too full of himself to do a sequel :) I will thank him for that if I ever met him. Anyway, as we all know a returning character doesn't make for a good movie in all cases. Cast doesn't really mean a whole lot anyway, I mean Michael Cane was in Jaws 4 and looks how that turned out.

[kramerfan]

Jaws 1=brillant,Jaws 2=very good,Jaws 3=good,Jaws 4=decent

[Wheatjedi]

More rankings? I'm in!!

Jaws - excellent
Jaws 2 - nowhere near as good as the original, but good
Jaws 3 - not terrible, but probably plays better with the 3D effects
Jaws: The Revenge - not quite as bad as its reputation suggests, but really not all that good either.

[French Friday]

OK, new forum, so what's best to start again other than a whole new complete thesis on the Jaws's tetralogy, my favorite movies and series of all time ?

JAWS

Best movie ever made. All genres mixed. Story, characters, cinematography, score, everything is so perfect. Not a single scene is useless, not a single word is said without any point. Each scene is introduced by the previous one and goes into the next one without any break. Even the secondary characters are interesting enough to make us want to follow them in their life.

Only one failure, but it's just when compared to the book : the town Amity is in the movie less explored, especially the absolute need of a great summer to survive the winter. In the movie, it seems the summer is just there to bring more money in Vaughn's pockets, not to save the town for the year.

JAWS 2

Great. Same level, just without the shock of the new. The Friday the 13th kind of teens here are as likeable as the Part 3 and TFC teens. The second part is suspensful, I especially love the scene where the shark goes havok on the kids, with all the boats hurting each other. The story of Brody, the obsession for the shark, is really good. I was always sad to see how the people get mad at him when he fires in the sea. I mean, he just wanted to save them from a shark ! Didn't they know he was right 4 years ago ?

Only failure : where's Hooper ?

JAWS 3

The less interesting of the batch, but interesting enough. I love Mike Brody here (especially thanks to his french voice I have to say, which is also Bruce Willis's french voice) and all the scenes where Mike and Sean are talking about Amity give me that feeling of nostalgia. I always love sea worlds too (why is everyone thinking this is "the" Florida's sea world ? It's simply "a" sea world in the Jaws universe, it can be anywhere on the east coast, near ocean if they want)

The failures : not enough shark STALKING. Not enough fins passing by. Too dark. Fitzroyce ridiculous. Storyline with the water pumps very blurry. The final "massacre" isn't enough a massacre.

JAWS : THE REVENGE

Almost great. Best opening ever made. Best version of the shark theme. The whole beginning in Amity is 100% Perfection. The submarine chase scene wonderful. The shark attack on the beach very good. "Sonny Spoon" very funny. More shark stalking than in Jaws 3. Mike and his family are really interesting. The caribbean set is visually very good.

The only failure : Ellen Brody. Even if I really love the paranoia she developped, I would have prefered to see her going "Ripley" instead of just whining. She goes "Ripley" at the end, but it's too late and she has no real plans, so that's just pathetic. The WORST scene ever filmed in a movie : her nightmare about the shark. Just after she told Thea not to go into the water, we get to a scene where Ellen is... swimming in the middle of the ocean ! Right, they really wanted to make us believe this scene was real before we realize, as she awakes, that it was just a dream ? Too ridiculous for me. They should have had her walking on a little wood bridge or pontoon, and the shark destroying that pontoon, making her fall into the water, and a scene ala the fishers in the original. That would have been a coherent nightmare, and credible, as we could have thought it was real and she was the second one after Sean to get killed. I would have prefered to see Jack stay dead, but his resurrection doesn't bother me that much, as I like him. The ending with the great shark theme over the plane flying away gives me a good finish to the tetralogy.

Note : if the shark exploded, it's because the shock makes the dynamite on the boat explode. The fact there's dynamite on the boat is mentioned during the submarine chase scene, when Jack wants to dive to help Mike, but I heard this line was just in the french version of the movie. And we have just to suppose the explosion came from that. I buy that version (it came from me afterall ^^)

JAWS 5

If someday they make it, they have first to link it to the Brodys, Amity and Hooper in someway or another. I don't care what most of people say, JAWS, for me, was as much the shark than the Brodys and Amity, like Halloween is Myers, Loomis and Haddonfield. Use just Hooper if you want to avoid the Brodys, even if I would have liked to see Thea Brody as the new sheriff in town. Or just make it take place in Amity, with totally new characters, with the picture of Martin Brody seen in JTR always in the police station, and many references to the 3 other shark attacks the town has known. Use the secondary characters of the original, like in JTR, to renforce the link. And well, then, just make a good movie respecting what Jaws is.

JAWS : THE SAGA

Here are some theories and ideas about how I take the whole story. Some of them can shock, I warn you. ^^

1974. In Jaws, you have a young (but already big) male shark prowling around in the ocean, and finding one great restaurant on the Amity beach. The new sheriff in town, who has come here to find peace, succeed in killing him, when no one else in the town was believing in him.

1978. 4 years after the disappearance of her brother, sister shark goes to Amity to find the one who killed him. She will find his sons. Brody, again, is the only one to believe there's a shark, and again, he's the one who saves the town, after being humiliated by the higher powers of the town.

1983. 5 years after, Mike has just finished college and was hired to watch the machinery/techniques/materials of the sea world (he certainly made some science college). He surely worked here during college, as a training course, helping it to be built. He was having fun with his girlfriend, but someone offered him a new work, maybe on a new sea world, in Venezuela, and the break-up was certainly coming, because she couldn't leave her work here, her dolphins... And far from the eyes, far from the heart... At the same time, mother shark, very angry concerning her children's death, and with a third one on board, ready to be born, is for 5 years searching for the Brodies. She couldn't find Sean, in Texas. Nor Martin and Ellen, who never go on the sea again. But she found Mike and, unhappily, got trapped in the sea world...

1989. Thea Brody is now 5 years old. She was born in 1984, from the new girlfriend of Mike, he met in Venezuela, while working on his new sea world. She was an artist, she wanted to go to the bahamas. He decided to follow her, not wanting to lose her like he lost the previous one. Not finding a job there, he decided to go back to college, and make a thesis to become an oceanographer, ala Matt Hooper, the guy his father was talking about many times. Yes, Mike loves the ocean much more than anything else. Even with their sharks. At the same time, father shark, very and very angry now, just found Sean and killed him. Martin was already dead 5 years ago, when he learned that his sons were attacked by a shark... again. Heart attack. Father shark just follows Ellen and Mike to get the job done. He failed.

To make it clear, I think that shark family isn't just "a" shark family. They're to sharks what Jason Voorhees or Michael Myers are to humans. They're super-sharks. Sharks with a curse. If you think these sharks are stupid because sharks "can't do that", well, ask you the same thing about Jason Voorhees or Michael Myers.

How could a shark find someone ? How could they follow the Brodys ? Part of their curse.

They were cursed when some guy in New York, let's call him Charles Lee Ray, just mad at Martin Brody, the detective that locked him up so much, in 1973, used Voodoo to curse him and made him suffer his whole life. Charles Lee Ray succeeded as Brody's life wasn't as happy as possible. Then, Charles Lee Ray go visit Chicago where 15 years later, he would be trapped inside a doll, but that's another story.

Definitively a great tetralogy, with some flaws, but with enough greatness to survive in my heart as one of the best saga ever made.

I hope I wasn't too long... ^^

[Skott]

"Sharks don't take things personally, Mr. Brody." That sums up my feelings on the whole Brody aspect of the sequels.

[CampNewBlood]

LOL......I love that line. I say it all the time.

[French Friday]

"Sharks don't take things personally, Mr. Brody."

"Humans don't resurrect by lightning strike, Mr. Skott."

Those sharks do take things personnally, that's all.

And that oceanography-woman was nothing compared to Hooper. He would have understood. BTW, that scene in Jaws 2 is there, IMO, to show that these sharks aren't normal sharks. Brody knows it, but the scientific girl can't accept it.

[Skott]

The first two made sense keeping the Brody's, it happened in Amity where they live. It's easy to explain, while Amity is a fictional city the area it is in is a prime location for Great Whites. When Bruce is gone, another apex predator (Brucette) moves in to take its place. Jaws the revenge is messed up so many levels with the addition the Great Whites rarely if ever enter the tropical waters of the Bahamas. I understand Jaws is fiction but at least the first two, possibly even the third can make sense if you look at it from a scientific view. My opinion is keep the Brody's if it makes sense, if you want to use the characters keep it in Amity.

[Shoesalesman]

I loved the first two movies. I still get goosebumps when the girl gets pulled under at the beginning of the first one.

[French Friday]

Jaws the revenge is messed up so many levels with the addition the Great Whites rarely if ever enter the tropical waters of the Bahamas. I understand Jaws is fiction but at least the first two, possibly even the third can make sense if you look at it from a scientific view.

You see, that's exactly where our difference is. I don't know why I would watch Friday the 13th and accept a human can be resurrected by lightning strike and then watch Jaws and not accepting these sharks can't do this or that. If humans in movies can break the "rules", why sharks can't ?

You watch Jaws like a documentary-based story.

I watch Jaws like Friday the 13th. Are Friday the 13th Part 1 and 2 less reality-based than Jaws 1 and 2 ? No. Now JTR and Jason Lives are at the same level IMO. So all depends on how you judge Jason Lives. If you hate that resurrection and Zombie-Jason, I would understand your point for JTR better.

Plus, Peter Benchley has repeated many times that the shark he created in Jaws was not scientifically right. He didn't know them as much as later in his life.

To conclude, I would say that the only shark movies and to expand, the only killer animals movies I have really loved are those where the animal isn't just "an" animal. But something way more special, not released from a documentary. Same thing for the human killers BTW, as I prefer those Jason Voorhees-clones over the realistic serial killers from Seven or Silence of the Lambs.

Jaws 1-4, Orca, L'Ultimo Squalo, Deep Blue Sea... In these movies, the animal really has a characterization. He stalks, he thinks. He has a motive. In the first one, he came here to find food, loved the restaurant, and decided to stay, the way a Jason Voorhees would make Crystal Lake his territory to explain how I see the comparison. But he died, so a family member came here to replace him as the master of that territory (like how Jason replaced his mother at Crystal Lake).

And as there is no "resurrection" scene in Jaws 3 and 4, I have to say they are different sharks again, and Jaws 3 and JTR can be seen as JTM or H20, a journey to somewhere else, for "holidays", before returning to Amity, their only territory, just to conclude a mission they have : revenge over the Brodys, maybe because of the Voodoo curse, but that's just a detail.

Jaws 5 needs to take place in Amity, like the next Friday the 13th needs to take place in Crystal Lake. Back to the roots.

[El Rooto]

The original Jaws has the greatest finale ever.
"Smile, you sonuva bitch!"

[The Tall Man]

^^^which has sadly been removed from the current remastered prints. And it's certainly not allowed on TV anymore.

T.M.

[The Dream Master]

Actually, the last DVD released restored the original mono track to its full glory.

[The Tall Man]

DM, THANK GOD. I had burned my old Turner Classic Movies LBXed VHS to DVD because I'd feared the original audio track may be lost forever,

T.M.

[The Dream Master]

Yep, and the latest DVD also includes the full documentary from the LD. It's pretty much the definative release for Jaws, until an HD version comes along. The thing is, though, I'll bet you Universal puts that crappy remix on an HD-DVD version (if Spielberg even allows them to release it). Don't get me wrong, it sounds cool as shit to hear Bruce tearing up the Orca in surround sound, but it's a novelty, pure and simple. The original mono track is the way to go.

[kramerfan]

Is the 30th anniversary 2 dvd set of JAWS the best one to get?

[The Dream Master]

Kramerfan, yes. That's the version I was talking about. It's one of the finest DVD presentations for any film, ever.

[Autobotsdie]

So how many of ya'll were afraid to go into the water after watching this? I know I was after a while.

[The Dream Master]

I saw this for the first time when I was about three, and I've never been afraid to go in the water. For some reason, this movie never made me scared of sharks; instead, I've been fascinated by them ever since.

[French Friday]

I was. And in a way, I'm always afraid to go into the sea since I saw Jaws.

I'm scared and fascinated by sharks at the same time. Jaws made me love them as much as I was scared by them. But don't get me wrong, I never hated sharks in water. I'm just scared to swim with them around (even if there's none around). And at the same time, I'd love to swim with them !

My way of fighting this fear is always to wait somebody else goes into the water, and I always stay between that person and the beach. That way, if a shark wants to eat someone, that person would be first in line... :D

Happily sometimes, I don't need that "bait" and am able to swim alone.

More and more. I'm healing !

[Scarecrow]

Unless you get the super-intelligent super-Sharks from Deep Blue Sea.

They'll want to eat the people further in first, who can escape faster, before attacking those a little further out. ;) :p


- Scarecrow

[NETRA]

Old Bruce could eat those Deep Blue Sea sharks for breakfast! They were just cartoons half the time anyway.

[Patrick]

Does anyone know if there was ever a Jaws: The Revenge soundtrack released? I can't really find that much about it online anywhere.

[Grizzlyman]

Does anyone know if there was ever a Jaws: The Revenge soundtrack released? I can't really find that much about it online anywhere.

Good question, I have noticed in Jaws The Revenge, the entire score conducted by Michael Small is pretty much the same during the beginning and ending credits as well as several scenes throughout the movie.

Also in regards to Jaws The Revenge, I enjoy a quote that Michael Caine once stated on the film during an interview: "I have never seen the film, but by all means, its terrible. But I have seen the house that it built, and its terrific!" In regards to the salary that Caine got for starring in Jaws The Revenge, he used his paycheck to build his new house.

[Patrick]

Wish I could get a paycheck like that. :(

[Fowlees]

Jaws must be the film i have watched more than any other in my life. As a kid i had it on once a week , i knew it word for word.

Now that Chief Brody was a real movie hero. Forget about Schwarz, Stallone and that ballerina, Van Damme..they don't even compete in the same league.

When you next watch Jaws , pay special attention to Mayor Vaughns' jackets.....quite an ensemble. I particularly like the one with anchors on....anyone know where i can get me one!!

[Joe Strummer]

Man, the original JAWS is one movie I can watch over and over without getting bored. It's that good to me-amazing film.

the sequels are all pieces of shit tho. 3D and Revenge are just stupid movies that you watch when you're drunk or stoned. Thankfully the sequels don't degrade the original, they just don't exist.

If they remake JAWS, they will never pull it off properly...they will do great shark scenes, but characters won't match the original no matter who they cast.

[Fowlees]

I dunno Joe, i thought the sequels were all dreadful apart from 2. I'd say that was passable, although not a patch on the origional.

The Revenge is simply woeful. Without a shadow of a doubt Michael Caines worst ever performance in the role of Hoagie.

Why oh why oh why do they always portray the English as sneaky upper class villains or loveable cockney rogues. UURRGGH!!

The characters in a film like Dog Soldiers are much more realistic. P.S. That is one awesome film...Is there a thread for it?

[islandmountain]

I'll always have a personal connection to Jaws and it's sequels. I was perhaps 6 years old when I saw the original for the first time and I guess it was one of the first dark, serious films made for grown-ups (so to speak) that I saw and it both scared me and fascinated me. Just the image of a shark fin rising above the water surface have always been powerful to me. The original remains one of my favourite films. Jaws 2 and Jaws 3 I rented at my local video store perhaps 4-5 times every year because you just couldn't find them for purchase anywhere at the time. Jaws 2 is the better one of them; it has Roy Scheider (RIP) and some of the other original players, the same setting and some cool shark attacks. Jaws 3 was cooler when you were a kid because of the different setting and that, but nowadays it's pretty weak although the most nostalgic part of my heart loves it to bits I guess. It's got a good concept for sure, but the fact that they made it in 3D and put that first made it little more than an effect-film. Jaws 4 is just terrible, although I own it on DVD just to have the complete collection.

[French Friday]

I know now that Jaws : The Revenge is like Rocky 4 and Resident Evil and Alien(s) Vs Predator movies... My view on them is so different from other people's that I shouldn't discuss about them, makes me go wild and uncontrolable.

Jaws is my favorite movie of all time.
Jaws 2 is one of the best sequels ever made, despite the lack of Hooper (I never liked his "substitute").
Jaws 3 will be an excellent sequel the day I understand how the shark and the water pumps work together (where the mother shark is when during the whole movie, to make it simple).
Jaws 4 has one of the best opening scenes ever made, is close to wonderful and perfect in Amity, is good to excellent in Caribbean, except for Ellen's unbelievable and ridiculous nightmare, and a wonderful score amongst all.

A very different view, I said. :)

[islandmountain]

If anyone is interested the old documentaries Making of Jaws 3D: Sharks Don't Die and Making of Jaws The Revenge can be viewed on Youtube. Pretty fun to watch.

[Rich]

I live in Hawaii and I am reluctant to go into the ocean because of this movie. The thing is...unlike a monster like Freddy Krueger, sharks actually do exist. That is what makes it so damn scary!

[kramerfan]

Any word n The Shark Is Still Working on dvd?

[MaDMaNMaRz]

I live in Hawaii and I am reluctant to go into the ocean because of this movie. The thing is...unlike a monster like Freddy Krueger, sharks actually do exist. That is what makes it so damn scary!

When I stayed in Greece for a few months back in 2004, ALL they ever showed on the movie channels was the Jaws series, LOL! I stayed pretty close in shore at the beach. There's no way i'd swim out, because I know Greece has shark problems as well.

[WestinHillsDays]

Anyone into the great Mexican/Italian Jaws rip-offs made in the 80's? I love them.

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[Scarecrow]

Bet they'r enot as bad as the Shark Attack films.


- Scarecrow

[WestinHillsDays]

The director of Cruel Jaws, Bruno Mattei, was almost judged in a courthouse for using stolen footage of Jaws in his movie.

:D

[Chucky's back]

Jaws 1: Fantastic
Jaws 2: Great
Jaws 3: Ok at best.
Jaws 4: Ugh...

[French Friday]

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Hey ! This cover is in french ! That means it was available here at the time ! I didn't know that !

I hope there will be a re-release of that one on DVD.....

[kramerfan]

Any word on the doc. the shark is still working?I hope Great White also gets a dvd release.

[Skott]

The Shark is still Working won't be out anytime soon. It's all up to Universal and they don't seem to keen on getting it on DVD anytime soon or at least it appears that way. I hope it comes out in the near future, the footage of Bruce is all I care about and it has plenty. I'm also looking forward to seeing what footage they have of the original Kintner attack.

[Scarecrow]

What was the difference in the original attack? And anyone remember that FREAKISH photo on the old forum of Bruce about to chomp down on someone lying on an inflatable thingy?


- Scarecrow

[kramerfan]

I sure hope it comes out soon.Id love to see the Kintner kids cut footage alsoand anything else.

[The Tall Man]

Anybody want to explain to me what the fuck "Jaws 2" is doing on Encore True Stories?

T.M.

[The Dream Master]

:lol:

You mean Roy Scheider didn't really electrocute a shark on a power cable?!

[ChildrenoftheDamned]

I absolutely love the first one and the second wasn't bad (I've got JAWS on DVD and I have the JAWS 2 on VHS). But that's as far as I go with the series despite being a big fan. I've seen 3 and 4 but I just didn't really care for them. I for some reason end up watching JAWS at least once or twice a year tho, usually in the summertime.

[God of Thunder]

Anyone into the great Mexican/Italian Jaws rip-offs made in the 80's? I love them.

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Yep, love me some JAWS ripoffs... GRIZZLY and GREAT WHITE AKA THE LAST SHARK are my faves... although, about CRUEL JAWS, that movie has no shark of it's own. ALL the shark footage is very badly lifted. It's said to be a tiger shark in the movie, but it's quite obviously a great white. All the shark scenes are lifted from GREAT WHITE, and the rest are from JAWS, JAWS 2, maybe even JAWS 3, and DEEP BLOOD. Here, here's an example.

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To ANYONE who has seen either JAWS or GREAT WHITE, especially the latter, a lot of this footage should be immediately recognized. And add to that that it's a fuckin' horrible movie, definitely Bruno Mattei's worst (and I liked RATS). But it is pretty funny when the shark farts (it's in the first clip, by the way).

As for TINTORERA, I remember I watched that a lot in 5th grade, still got the old Media VHS. Not a bad movie. The part where guy gets torn in half is pretty sweet.

As for JAWS, I've had to have seen it over 100 times. I've said a lot of movies are my absolute favorite, but this one is probably it. It was the 2nd horror movie I had ever seen (the first was ANACONDA, in theaters, if anyone was interested) and it's easily the one I have the most memories of. I remember catching on TBS when I was 5, and then renting the VHS from Blockbuster a lot. Good times. I saw part of JAWS 2 right after that, but unfortunately, I fell asleep halfway through. Thanfully, it was on another day and I caught the rest of it. :) These days, I've come to love JAWS 2 almost as much as the first, maybe even more. It's definitely a great movie, and one of the best sequels ever.

Jaws 3 I rented soon after, loved it as well, still do. Can't understand all the hate it gets. Then, right before I went into 1st Grade, my parents rented JAWS THE REVENGE for me. I remember being really pissed the first time we rented it, because some dick stuck another tape in the box. But, they found the tape, and I even missed out on the first day so I could watch it (although, I think I was pretty sick the first day of 1st grade, but I can't remember).

All I can say is that I loved it as well, and I still do love Jaws The Revenge. I think now that it definitely could have used more shark attacks, and that they should have kept the old ending (I remember seeing pictures of the old ending online when I was 8 and going "What the hell? Where was that?"), but I still think it was a really good movie. It, along with the original STAR WARS trilogy, are definitely my favorite movies series ever, and they both give me a lot of memories from when I was a little kid. Love Jaws.

[Patrick]

Universal needs to sue whoever made this piece of dooky. Other than the few hot dudes it had in it.......it has nothing going for it.

[God of Thunder]

I should say that Enzo G Castellari should be a bit mor epissed about it (that regatta scene is almost ENTIRELY lifted from Great White), but I think it's a dead issue now. Besides, Bruno Mattei is dead now.

[JVM]

I haven't seen Jaws in a long, long time. But from what I do remember, it was one of the greatest films I have and ever will see.

[Just Jeans]

I've just found the JAWS 3-D score on CD for $19.99. Considering it was released in a limited quantity (3000 copies) I'm planning to buy one ASAP. I'm not a huge fan of that film's score, but I can't pass up a limited pressing.

Anybody want to explain to me what the fuck "Jaws 2" is doing on Encore True Stories?

Encore has a thing for airing inappropriate films on their themed channels. The 1996 Doctor Who TV Movie comes on Encore Mystery all the time. :duh:

[El Rooto]

Our Doctor Who reference for the day.

[Just Jeans]

I can't help that it just happens to be the movie I most often see Encore airing on a completely unrelated genre-specific channel. :shifty:

[Alex DeLarge]

Our Doctor Who reference for the day.

Doctor Who references make EVERYTHING better.

Of course, I can think of one reason Doctor Who: The TV Movie would be on the Mystery Channel. The mystery of who the hell thought it'd be a good idea hiring Eric Roberts as the Master.:p

[VoorheesGuy91]

The original is one of the best films of all time, IMO. As for the sequals, they should have stopped after 2...the rest were just plain insulting.

[The Dream Master]

I'll admit to having a soft spot for both parts 3 and 4. I don't want to imagine a world where I can't see Lou Gosset Jr. vs. a dayum shark and its mutha. Nor do I want to imagine a world without a great white being able to stalk its prey from New Englund to the Bahamas. :sniffle:

[VoorheesGuy91]

I'll admit to having a soft spot for both parts 3 and 4. I don't want to imagine a world where I can't see Lou Gosset Jr. vs. a dayum shark and its mutha. Nor do I want to imagine a world without a great white being able to stalk its prey from New Englund to the Bahamas. :sniffle:

Agreed...lol.

[zombie extra 3]

I love the first two JAWS. 3 & 4 are pretty corny at times but they hold a special place in my heart as well.
ADDED:
although, about CRUEL JAWS, that movie has no shark of it's own. ALL the shark footage is very badly lifted. It's said to be a tiger shark in the movie, but it's quite obviously a great white. All the shark scenes are lifted from GREAT WHITE, and the rest are from JAWS, JAWS 2, maybe even JAWS 3, and DEEP BLOOD. Here, here's an example.
About the Cruel Jaws director, Bruno Mattei...that guy ripped off more movies and has lifted more footage from movies than anyone I can think of. Here are some of the movies he has ripped off/lifted footage from:

-JAWS, JAWS 2, and Great White/The Last Shark (Ultimo squalo, L') for Cruel Jaws

-Dawn of the Dead (soundtrack) for Night of the Zombies/Hell of the Living Dead/Virus

Terminator II - fake sequel to the original Terminator that has nothing to do the real Terminator 2: Judgment Day sequel. It's also a ripoff of Aliens.

Robowar - ripoff of Predator and Robocop

No wonder Bruno Mattei was known as the Italian Ed Wood. I think I remember Lucio Fulci dissing Mattei bigtime in an interview (I think it was regarding Zombi 3 in which Mattei replaced Fulci who got sick during filming).

[God of Thunder]

I didn't know Bruno Mattei directed ROBOWAR. I've been watching the trailer for years, it looks pretty sweet.

But you should also note Rats, it's a Night of the Living Dead ripoff.

[Scarecrow]

Jaws 3 I find to be so bad it's good, and kind of fun. Jaws: The Revenge however... it's just depressingly bad!

- Scarecrow

[Patrick]

Jaws: The Revenge had the potential to be a pretty decent movie if not for the fake shark scenes. I mean, it had it's moments with good scenes. The banana boat scene with the fin breaking the water's surface is a favorite of mine.

[God of Thunder]

I like Jaws The Revenge, and I thought the shark actually looked pretty cool. But then, I got a LOT of memories with JAWS THE REVENGE.

[NETRA]

It seemed like Jaws: The Revenge was going for that darker, more sad tone that ORCA had. But it was just a bit TOO depressing. I mean, how many times must we watch Ellen Brody break down into tears? A major character gets killed off early and this casts a big shadow over the remaining scenes. It's like watching a funeral at times. In fact, one of the scenes IS a funeral. For a movie with such a goofy story, it really could have used a lighter touch. If they'd upped the action/adventure a bit and made it more tongue-in-cheek, it could be fun.

Jaws 3 reminds me of those 1950s B movies. I always enjoy watching it back to back with "Revenge Of The Creature." I doubt making a 1950s style B movie was the intention but, never the less, that's what it's like. Good goofy fun.

Jaws 2 has many great moments and is not bad as sequels go. I have always felt that Jaws 2 and Poltergeist II share something in common... They both have some returning cast/crew members and are entertaining yet lack the power of the original. And in both cases, Spielberg didn't come back.

Jaws is my favorite movie ever and I never get tired of it.

[God of Thunder]

I've always thought Jaws 3 was pretty unfairly criticized. I mean, it was just as good as the first 2. And again, this may be because of the memories the series brings me (my first horror series, saw when I was 5 and 6 years old). But still, I love the whole series almost equally.

[Grizzlyman]

I just happened to be watching the Jaws marathon last night which was on for the 4th of July, and decided to go ahead and watch Jaws 3-D and Jaws: The Revenege.

My god, now I remember exactly what a bad movie experience was all about especially since it had been such a long time since I had seen both of the last two installments of the series.

Jaws 3-D is just plan bad, I think mainly because of the 3-D cinematographic process which made the shark and key scenes look too phony, and Jaws: The Revenege.... what was wrong with Ned Tanen at Universal?

I had never seen the TV version of Jaws: The Revenge believe it or not, but in this version, there is a narrator at the beginning of the film trying to explain the concept of why the shark is attacking and centering around the Brody family for no apparent reason. Much like the theatrical trailer for the original Jaws where the narrator states "without passion and without logic". I had completely forgot just how wonderful it is to see a shark roar like a lion, and stand on its tail for more than 10 seconds. Also in this TV version, the shark just gets impaled by the boat, it does not blow up into a million pieces (for no apparent reason) such as in the VHS/DVD release. It seemed that with Joseph Sargent attempting to add more scenes to the film, only added to more confusion and creating an absolutely unexplained mess of a film, and it would have performed just as poorly without any additions.

This is not how I intended on spending my 4th of July.

[The Dream Master]

Grizz, here's the deal with the television version's ending: that was the original ending before the studio forced Sargent to film an even less comprehensible ending (the exploding shark). I want to say that overseas audiences got the exploding shark version, and we didn't get that one until home video release (that's what the Goodtimes DVD cover seems to indicate, anyway). Either way, it's dumber than a sack of hammers.

[Grizzlyman]

Grizz, here's the deal with the television version's ending: that was the original ending before the studio forced Sargent to film an even less comprehensible ending (the exploding shark). I want to say that overseas audiences got the exploding shark version, and we didn't get that one until home video release (that's what the Goodtimes DVD cover seems to indicate, anyway). Either way, it's dumber than a sack of hammers.

Oh, I thought it was the other way around with the exploding shark, and the 'impaled' shark ending was just made for television, but you confirmed it Dream Master. Thanks! I guess that is one 'movie mystery' I had not yet known. However, Universal must have really had their heads up their asses. To insist the shark to explode for no confirmed reason... quite bizarre decisions where made centering around this disastrous sequel.

[The Dream Master]

Yeah, Jaws 4 was a disaster all the way around. In the version you saw, did Mario Van Peebles live? Because originally, he died, but in the reshoots, he inexplicably comes back despite clearly being dragged underwater by the shark. :eek: I'm guessing he died in the version you saw because that goes along with the original "impalement" ending.

[Grizzlyman]

Yeah, Jaws 4 was a disaster all the way around. In the version you saw, did Mario Van Peebles live? Because originally, he died, but in the reshoots, he inexplicably comes back despite clearly being dragged underwater by the shark. :eek: I'm guessing he died in the version you saw because that goes along with the original "impalement" ending.

Thats right, Van Peebles lives in one version and dies in the other. Yeah, in the 'impalement' ending I saw last night, he died. The old VHS version I own, he lives though.

[zombie extra 3]

I just happened to be watching the Jaws marathon last night which was on for the 4th of July, and decided to go ahead and watch Jaws 3-D and Jaws: The Revenege.

My god, now I remember exactly what a bad movie experience was all about especially since it had been such a long time since I had seen both of the last two installments of the series.

Jaws 3-D is just plan bad, I think mainly because of the 3-D cinematographic process which made the shark and key scenes look too phony I like all of the JAWS films even though I admit the third and fourth installments are poor. The problem with Jaws 3-D is bad special effects (especially the 3-D effects). I liked the idea for the plot (A great white attacking Sea World is cool by me). It's just a lot of those fx scenes were really bad.

[God of Thunder]

Ya know, I'll never understand the hate that Jaws 3 gets. I could see Jaws The Revenge, but Jaws 3 is great in my opinion. It had the best looking shark, cool gore effects, a good soundtrack, some scares, and it was never boring...... where's the problem? I mean, Jaws 3 is far from a horrible movie. If you want a horrible movie, watch something A Night to Dismember or something. I thought Jaws 3 was really fun, and I just don't understand why it's got such a bad reputation....

[Scarecrow]

Jaws 3 has the single but stupid / hilarious moment where someone is inside the Shark's mouth trying to SWIM OUT!

In 3D of course...


- Scarecrow

[Patrick]

I just typed out the whole narrative that is on the Jaws: The Revenge trailer to post because I happen to really like that trailer and what the narrator says and right before I posted it......I have my light off and I was trying to hit a certain key and I hit the Escape key and it deleted everything I typed. :(

[Swahili]

See, this is a funny thing. Jaws4 was absolutely godawful and the bottom of the barrel, but I love it, I really do. It took seeing Jaws3 again recently to realise that it's just all-around bad ... it's slow, it's meandering and it's very uneventful. With Jaws4, you have plenty of shark, (which is fine to me, I really love those shots of it slowly moving underwater with it's mouth agape) and the pace is pretty good. Its never really long between times when someone is getting chased/masticated by the shark, and in between those moments are just truly awful scenes that are so bad they're fucking hilarious.

Me and some buddies have a 'summer movie' list thats about 50 strong, and we saved JAWS for the 28th of June, it's original release date back in '75, and goddamn if it isn't better every single time I watch it; which is honestly about once every month or two. Jaws2 is alright, it's in a sad position where it just happens to be the sequel to the greatest movie of all time, but it's still pretty good.

But yeah, JAWS is my all-time favorite; tied for first place with 'Good, the Bad and the Ugly' as well as 'Life Aquatic'. JAWS is just an amazing institution to me, and it's the kind of movie that honestly never wanes in terms of watchability. There's nothing about the original movie thats wrong or lacking, every single frame of it is perfect.

[J Killer]

yeah only the first jaws was good. all the other movies sucked includ the fourth. now that was a bomb of a movie to begin with.:side::mad:

[Patrick]

I enjoyed them all.

[NETRA]

Thats right, Van Peebles lives in one version and dies in the other. Yeah, in the 'impalement' ending I saw last night, he died. The old VHS version I own, he lives though.

I prefer the version where the shark gets impaled. It's something different. I even enjoy the ridiculous shot of it spewing blood.

As far as Jake (Mario), I go back and forth on whether or not he should die. From a story point of view, it's a good idea for him to survive. After all, the shark only wants to eat members of the Brody family. Once he realizes he's eating a non-Brody, he'd spit Jake out. On the other hand, the shark is HUGE and he's biting Jake in such a way that it doesn't look survivable. So having him die works too. I'm cool with either version as far as Jake is concerned.

[Scarecrow]

The Shark only going after one family is still one of the funniest concepts ever and you wonder hwo cam up with the story...

- Scarecrow

[Lammert]

I like Jaws 4... I can watch it. And I think I watched it a lot of times.
The movie is fake, the shark is fake, the story is silly... but somehow I love it.

I like it way better then Jaws 3... Jaws 3 had the worst effects ever, and the dolphin girl(Michael Brody's girlfriend) is one of the most annoying charachters ever put on film... ugggh....

[French Friday]

After a new and unnumbered watching of the series (around 20 times for 3 and 4, around 60 or 70 for the original), I changed a little my view on 3 and 4.

1 is always the most perfect movie ever made.

2 is one of the best sequels ever made. Same atmosphere. Great second half with the kids on the boats.

3 is very good until the moment they go underwater with the "yellow submarine" that looks so fake. Before that moment, the build up of the shark entering in the lagoon beginning to kill a few people without being noticed, is great. I love the brothers scenes and at that point Fitzroyce is a possible interesting character. But after that submarine scene, even if the shark chase with the dolphins is good, it just goes downhill because of the choices made for the plot and characters. It all sounds and/or looks fake. The capture, the escape, the "rampage", the way it ends. These damned water pumps. Plus, not enough stalking of the shark fin.

4 is always one of the greatest sequels ever made as long as they stay in Amity. From the opening credits to the airplane departure, the atmosphere of the original is back. The paranoia about the shark hunting the Brody family is well played. Simply great moments. And then, the arrival in caribbean is the start of the catastrophe, even if most of the scenes are always great (talkings between Jake and Michael, between mother and daughter-in-law...) : the plot and Ellen's storyline just doesn't work. I'm all for a revenge storyline, they're not normal sharks in this series, like Jason Voorhees or Michael Myers aren't normal humans in their own series. But the way they did it just doesn't work. They should have put shots of the fin turning/passing by Mike Brody's house, stalking like Myers. Or around his boat. They should have make it more obvious. And have a Crazy Ralph-like character to explain the shark's motives, based on ancient legends or whatever God wants. Just treat it right, do it seriously, and not as if you just haven't found a better story !

Anyway, the main error was to change the set from Amity to Caribbean, and it's even more stupid when you see that apart the final beach attack, NONE of the attacks were especially "summer on the beach" attacks. Mike and Jake's boat could have been anchored in Amity during Christmas, they decided to come there to help Mike's mother during Sean's funeral and all, and maybe Jake would decide to explore the Amity's underwaters to not lose time for their thesis. The sunken ship would have been close to Amity. Maybe they could have put it near the Orca and Mike would have see it during the chase...

3 and especially 4 are great storylines completely lost in the execution after the first third of the movie. I don't know how a movie can pass from greatness to total disappointment in less than 30 minutes.

So I now decided to keep only 1 and 2 for my future watching of my favorite movies of all time, and the Amity scenes in JTR will be severely regretted.

[WOLF]

Jaws is one of my favorite movies.

Jaws 2 is a good sequel...but not on the same level as the first.

Jaws 3 is the start of the ridiculous storylines. This is really The Revenge part 1 because the mother shark is pissed it's baby is dead. If you have the most basic knowledge of sharks, you know that a mother great white will eat it's young if it doesn't swim away immediately after birth. I know...it's just a movie. But you have to have some logic. The effects were awful...even in 3-D (I saw it when I was a kid). One of my favorite scenes is where the dolphins jump up at the end and the happy music plays. Never mind the shark just ate a bunch of people...the dolphins are OK...YAY!!

Jaws 4. Everybody who had a part in this film should have been arrested. Even their family members should be rounded up.

[Just Jeans]

Jaws 3 is the start of the ridiculous storylines. This is really The Revenge part 1 because the mother shark is pissed it's baby is dead.

At what point does the film's plot suggest that the mother shark is out for revenge? As I recall, the mother shark just comes out of the filtration pipe when she gets hungry. I don't think it's ever insinuated within the storyline that she's aggravated that her young has died (how would she even know? It died in a pool, not in the lagoon.)

Jaws 4. Everybody who had a part in this film should have been arrested. Even their family members should be rounded up.

It bums me out to this day that the little girl who played Thea was murdered by her father, particularly since her character was the one about which I usually had the most scathing things to say. :(

[Germaniac]

At what point does the film's plot suggest that the mother shark is out for revenge? As I recall, the mother shark just comes out of the filtration pipe when she gets hungry. I don't think it's ever insinuated within the storyline that she's aggravated that her young has died (how would she even know? It died in a pool, not in the lagoon.)
Actually, she got out of the pipe because Calvin switched the power off. Therefore she would have suffocated in it (Sharks need to swim all the tim in order not to suffocate, since the pipes were pumping air, it was able to just rest there). But your point is abolutley correct: there was no indication for a vendetta in part 3 (excpet that the text on the backcover of the DVD indicates that ... but F13Th V backcover text says that Jason is the killer in this one!).

[French Friday]

If you have the most basic knowledge of sharks, you know that a mother great white will eat it's young if it doesn't swim away immediately after birth. I know...it's just a movie. But you have to have some logic.

A question :

First, to make my point clear, using your own sentence : if you have the most basic knowledge of humans, you know that a human being doesn't resurrect like Jason Voorhees with lightning strikes. I know... it's just a movie. But you have to have some logic.

Why everybody seems to easily accept "supernatural" or "special" human killers in Friday the 13th or Halloween, and almost none can accept "special" killer sharks ? Why accepting Michael Myers can survive 6 bullets and an explosion and not sharks getting revenge ? Surviving like Myers or Jason for humans is NOT normal (even if you take just H2 and F13 3/4). Getting revenge for sharks is NOT normal. Why accepting one and saying the other one is unacceptable ?

There's a sentence in the original Jaws, by Hooper to Quint if I remember well, (roughly translated from french) : "have you already seen sharks like this one ?". And Quint to answer : "no".

This scene is like the "was it the boogeyman ?" "yes" in Halloween.

IMHO, the sharks in the Jaws series aren't normal sharks, and that's why Jaws 1 and 2 are the best shark movies out there : their sharks are special "characters" with personality, not just your regular shark seen on documentaries.

[WOLF]

Jaws 3 has been compared to Gorgo (revenge of the mother beast). Even the all-knowing wikipedia states the mother is exacting her revenge. But I haven't seen it in so long that maybe I just read into it too much (maybe because baby dies, mommy destroys the park).

The sharks in Jaws are presented as large rogue sharks. But I've never thought of them as supernatural. Friday VI establishes Jason as a supernatural being. Halloween establishes Michael as the boogeyman. What foundation do they set for a shark that stands on it's tail and roars like a lion? To me, giving human emotions to a shark is just weird. I'm not talking about other unrealistic aspects (like swimming backwards, not moving at all, obsession with humans that don't provide much nutrition). If they included a scene where the shark crawls out of the water and kills a family in their home, would you say that's one special shark? Or would your roll your eyes?

[Lammert]

Jaws 4 is one special shark... he could roar like a dinosaur! Perhaps in Jaws 5 sharks could talk.... wouldn't that be awesome?

[Just Jeans]

Jaws 3 has been compared to Gorgo...

By who? :shock: I gotta admit, that's the first time I've ever seen this comparison made.

[Scarecrow]

Jaws 4 is one special shark... he could roar like a dinosaur! Perhaps in Jaws 5 sharks could talk.... wouldn't that be awesome?


Clearly the Shark in Jaws 4 is more resiliant than we though and will return... in "Jaws 5: Cyborg-Shark".



- Scarecrow

[The Dream Master]

"Jaws 5: Cyborg-Shark"

I'd watch it, but only if Uber-Quint appears at some point.

[JVM]

Guys, I just had a scary thought and it's bugging the shit out of me...

What if they remade "Jaws"?

[Germaniac]

Guys, I just had a scary thought and it's bugging the shit out of me...

What if they remade "Jaws"?

Scary? That would be great! I love Jaws! 2 was very good. 3 was mediocre and 4 was a steaming pile of crap. The sequels got wore and worse. We haven´t seen an new Jaws since more than 20 years. The franchise is dead (so there is no chance for a sequel IMO) ! BUT I want a new Jaws because I love giant-shark movies and since part 1 is a classic it´s the logical choice for a remake!

[JVM]

I do love Jaws and wish we could have more, but I mean, King Kong '05 is to date the only remake I've seen I felt was a true-blue remake of it's predecessor. I don't think I'd trust a Jaws remake unless Steven Spielberg was closely watching. And I mean, CLOSELY. I mean, I love sharks, I love shark movies, but I love Godzilla and monster movies as well, and as much as I was in love with the GODZILLA 98 movie, if you judge it as a remake of the 54 one it's probably the worst remake of all time. No resemblance except the monster name and several vague things in monster design.

[Germaniac]

I do love Jaws and wish we could have more, but I mean, King Kong '05 is to date the only remake I've seen I felt was a true-blue remake of it's predecessor. I don't think I'd trust a Jaws remake unless Steven Spielberg was closely watching. And I mean, CLOSELY. I mean, I love sharks, I love shark movies, but I love Godzilla and monster movies as well, and as much as I was in love with the GODZILLA 98 movie, if you judge it as a remake of the 54 one it's probably the worst remake of all time. No resemblance except the monster name and several vague things in monster design.

I hated Jackson´s King Kong Remake. Why remake a movie if you make it the same? The 70´r remake was great, better than the original and the Jackson crapfest.
Same with Psycho: the remke was 1:1 the same as the original. Why bother?
The NOtlD90 remake,, the Thing remake, the Fly, Halloween and TCM were awesome remakes. They took the famous elements of the originals and introdued new twists. And look at the frqnchise-reboots of Bond and Batman! he same could happen to Jaws. Why doesn Spielberg have to be involved? as long as they don´t let Lions gate remake it or use Paul Anderson I am okay with it!

The american Godzilla was an americanization ... not a remake IMO. It sucked because Hollywood doesn´t have the balls tfor a real Godzilla movie.

[JVM]

Well, it's interesting to see there's someone on this board who likes Zombieween...

I actually liked Jackson's Kong because I felt like he changed the film, yet was able to keep the story intact, at the same time.

[Just Jeans]

Guys, I just had a scary thought and it's bugging the shit out of me...

What if they remade "Jaws"?

That thought doesn't scare me; I'm dying for a new JAWS film (although I don't want a remake, I want to see the novel re-adapted for the screen).

The original franchise was driven into the dirt, and I'd like to see what someone like Bryan Singer would do with it (he's voiced an interest in re-adapting the novel, I do believe).

[Just Jeans]

So. 2010 marks the 35 anniversary of JAWS. What do we reckon? Will there be a Blu-ray release to mark the occasion? I do hope so. I'd also like to see The Shark is Still Working hit DVD.

[The Dream Master]

Long as Spielberg signs off, I think we'll see a Blu-ray. At least I really hope we do because it'd be awesome. It'd be hard to make a regular DVD that topped the 30th Anniversary release, which was mad doep.

[Just Jeans]

If they put a True HD surround sound track on the thing, I hope they at least have the good sense to fix the "Smile you son of a--BLAM!" issue from the DVD mix.

[The Dream Master]

Well, the 30th Anniversary DVD had the old mono track that fixes that issue (along with many others on the remix track). If Universal has any sense, they'll at least include that track, preferably in a lossless format. I have a feeling that the HD audio track will be the shitty remix, but here's hoping that's not the case.

[nottidelterrore]

I found the novelizations of Jaws & Jaws 2 at a thrift store for a quarter. That's how much I paid in total for both books.

[Just Jeans]

Do you mean you found the Peter Benchley JAWS novel, or is there seriously a novelization of a film based on a novel? :X

JAWS 2 is a good read. I actually prefer it to the film. The shark in that book is fucking massive. I think it's the size of an adolescent Megalodon. It's nowhere nearly as big in the film.

I've had JAWS the Revenge for about two years now, but I still haven't read it. I might read all through over the fall.

[Germaniac]

There is a novelization of Jaws? I know that Benchley´s novel was re-released after the movie openend in order to "tie-in" but I never heard of a novelization of Jaws.
Hank Searls, the guy who wrote the part 2 novelization, also wrote the Part 4 novelization.

Edit: Jeans beat me to it.
I found the Jaws 2 novelization to be pretty dull. Brody goes after the Amity-mafiia and has no idea about a another shark until the final 2 chapters in the book.

[nottidelterrore]

I guess I used the wrong word there(sorry) but yeah the JAWS novel & the novelization of JAWS 2.

I still haven't seen JAWS all the way through so excuse my ignorance.

[Just Jeans]

I still haven't seen JAWS all the way through...

I'm sorry, but that sort of ignorance is completely inexcusable. :p

Seriously though.Watch it. Learn it. Love it. Before Rob Zombie remakes it.

[nottidelterrore]

I own it but just haven't got around to watching it. I'm sure I'll get in the mood to watch it one of these days then I'll probably want to see the sequels too. :)
ADDED:
I scanned the books just for the hell of it. They aren't in great condition but aren't too bad looking either.

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r294/oltrelamorte/7858cc4f.jpg
http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r294/oltrelamorte/a7fcd7f2.jpg

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r294/oltrelamorte/6400f0c6.jpg
http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r294/oltrelamorte/9968ed20.jpg

[Just Jeans]

My copies get better as they go: JAWS is falling to bits (it's an old public Library copy), JAWS 2 is in decent shape, JAWS the Revenge looks really good.

http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo201/JeansieWho/JAWSBook1.jpg

http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo201/JeansieWho/JAWSBook2.jpg

http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo201/JeansieWho/JAWSBook3.jpg

Completely off topic, but on the subject of fairly rare novelizations, I happened to have this little guy handy while I was taking photos of the JAWS books:

http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo201/JeansieWho/SupermanIII.jpg

Glad I scored that, even if I've never read it and can't remember squat about the film.

[nottidelterrore]

That Superman III book is awesome! I'd love to score something like that while I'm out browsing.

The movie itself is so-so. I don't hate it as much as some people do. I find it amusing & ridiculous for the most part. I love the scene with Clark Kent vs. Superman in the junkyard. Best scene in the entire movie, in my opinion.

[Just Jeans]

Isn't Superman III the one where Superman, sporting a mean five o clock shadow, is boozing in a bar? I remember that I lol'd at that shit. :sniffle:

[nottidelterrore]

You are correct, sir. He also flicks peanuts at booze bottles while in the bar.

[The Dream Master]

Heh, I've got that copy of the Jaws 2 novelization as well. I kinda "stole" it from my aunt when I was really little (the same aunt who bought me the first film for my birthday). :X

[Jus-X]

I hate finding these threads and jumping into a converstation. I was hoping you guys were still talking about the movie, but now it's books and Superman 3.

#1. Haven't had the pleasure of finding the books... anywhere!
#2. Superman fighting Clark, and bad mooding it in the bar, awesome scenes!
#3. What did anyone think of Jaws 3? Anybody get a chance to see it in 3D? I haven't. Personally 3 isn't one of my favorites, bit I always liked the scene when everyone is in the underwater tunnel and the shark tries to get in.

[The Dream Master]

#3. What did anyone think of Jaws 3?

My review of Jaws III (http://www.oh-the-horror.com/page.php?id=516). :D

[Just Jeans]

I hate finding these threads and jumping into a converstation. I was hoping you guys were still talking about the movie, but now it's books and Superman 3.

Well, this is the General Discussion thread, and the books fall into the category of general discussion.

The Superman III shit came out of left field, I admit, but that's pretty much par for the course round this neck of the woods. :)

Incidentally, am I the only one who finds it mildly ironic that both the JAWS and Superman franchises managed to go from "Awesome" to "Shittastic" over the course of four short films? And it happened in an almost identical fashion:

JAWS - Superman
JAWS 2 - Superman II
JAWS 3-D - Superman III
JAWS:The Revenge - Superman: The Quest for Peace

The last film in both franchises dropped the number sequel titles and gained subtitles, and they were both massive ass.

#3. What did anyone think of Jaws 3?

I thought it was a terrible JAWS film, but a pretty decent drama. If they'd gotten rid of the shark entirely and made it a movie following the lives of the core cast, it would have been a decent 80s drama.. I actually liked the cast of characters, but the 3D shark effects were awful, and there simply wasn't enough shark in the movie.

[The Tall Man]

I still haven't seen JAWS all the way through so excuse my ignorance.
Um, Notti, you're not allowed to come back here until you've seen "Jaws". No, seriously. It's 2 hrs and five minutes. Get off from reading this. Put it in, watch it, and come on back, then we'll welcome you with open arms. Until then, IT'S THE CHAIR FOR YOU, KID.

I'm sorry, but that sort of ignorance is completely inexcusable. :p

Seriously though.Watch it. Learn it. Love it. Before Rob Zombie remakes it.
^^^^ What he said.

#3. What did anyone think of Jaws 3? Anybody get a chance to see it in 3D?
I own Jaws 3-D (it's original title) in 3-D.

Incidentally, am I the only one who finds it mildly ironic that both the JAWS and Superman franchises managed to go from "Awesome" to "Shittastic" over the course of four short films? And it happened in an almost identical fashion:

JAWS - Superman
JAWS 2 - Superman II
JAWS 3-D - Superman III
JAWS:The Revenge - Superman: The Quest for Peace
I actually prefer both Superman IV and Jaws 4 to Superman III and Jaws 3-D. Jaws 3-D bores the crap out of me. And Superman III is stupid as fuck... kinda like Jaws 4.

The last film in both franchises dropped the number sequel titles and gained subtitles, and they were both massive ass.
I'm pretty sure the fourth Superman movie's onscreen title is "Superman IV: The Quest for Peace"... at least I've never seen it minus a numeral.

T.M., Esq.

[Just Jeans]

I'm pretty sure the fourth Superman movie's onscreen title is "Superman IV: The Quest for Peace"... at least I've never seen it minus a numeral.

You're killing me here, Tally. You're goddamn killing me. :scared:

[Jus-X]

I thought Jaws and Superman 4 were beter than Part 3s.

[El Rooto]

All of the Jaws films(even The Revenge) have great scores.

Except the third.

[The Dream Master]

I really like Williams's main theme that he created for Part 2.

[Jus-X]

John Williams is just flat out a great composer. All his work is good. It would be cool to see a polled thread created where we pick from a list our favorite movie theme from him.

[HiCkMaN!]

recently i bourght the 30th anniversary dvd for the first film...god i forgot how much i loved this movie

[The Tall Man]

All of the Jaws films(even The Revenge) have great scores.

Except the third.
The score for Jaws 4 is the best thing about the movie. I actually prefer Michael Small's rendition of the Jaws theme to Williams' original.

And yeah, the score for Jaws 3-D is atrocious.

I really like Williams's main theme that he created for Part 2.
Williams didn't actually create that. I mean yeah he wrote it... but it's not created specifically for Jaws 2. It's a revamp of the end titles theme from the original Jaws.

T.M., Esq.

[The Dream Master]

I don't think we're talking about the same piece of music dere. I'm talking about whatever the opening credits music is for part 2. If it's just revamped from the end titles of 1, it's pretty damn revamped. :X

I dunno, I don't have the soundtrack, so I'm not sure what's it's referred to, so calling it "the main theme" is probably wrong.

[Just Jeans]

The opening music from JAWS 2 is a highly revamped version of a leitmotif from the first film. It's used a lot more in the second half of the movie (it may not appear at all in the first half, actually). But he's expanded it so much for JAWS 2 that it's practically a new piece of music.

[The Tall Man]

I don't think we're talking about the same piece of music dere. I'm talking about whatever the opening credits music is for part 2. If it's just revamped from the end titles of 1, it's pretty damn revamped. :X
The tracks we're talking about are "End Titles" from "Jaws" and "Finding the Orca - Main Title" from "Jaws 2".

I heard a hilarious story the other day... has anybody else heard this? When Universal rereleased the Jaws films on DVD some years back, they asked Michael Caine to come in and record an audio commentary for "Jaws: The Revenge"... and amazingly, he agreed! So he sat down and started recording the commentary. About halfway through the movie, Caine got up and without saying a word to anybody just left.

I think that's pretty fuckin' awesome.

T.M., Esq.

[The Dream Master]

I definitely hear a snippet of the end titles from the original towards the end of the opening titles in part 2, but whatever it's surrounded by sounds largely different. At any rate, the score for part 2 is pretty awesome all the way around.

[Just Jeans]

I definitely hear a snippet of the end titles from the original towards the end of the opening titles in part 2, but whatever it's surrounded by sounds largely different.

Like I said two posts up: expanded to the point of being almost entirely different, but it's based heavily around a recurring leitmotif from the first film.

[Just Jeans]

Started reading JAWS the night before last and finished it this morning. I've not read it since I was in high school. Goddamn, I forgot just how different it is from the film. There's some good stuff going on there, but the characters are so cold and hard. Brody is pretty much the only person in the book who is even remotely sympathetic, and that's because he's portrayed as a hardworking man who will do whatever he can to support his family.

Ellen is a condescending floozy, Hooper is an arrogant shit, Quint is a one dimensional Ahab cipher, and Hendricks is hellishly underdeveloped (but still gets way more development than his film counterpart). Vaughan is another character that just about manages to squeeze out some sympathy, and that's only because he's not entirely at fault when it comes to the whole "beaches must be opened" thing.

I'm going to start readings JAWS 2 later today. Considering how different the original film is from the first novel, and considering the second novel is adapted from a screenplay, I wonder how well the two books will mesh. Surely the second novel will ignore Brody's two older children (Bill and Martian Jr.) and retain only Michael and Sean.

[nottidelterrore]

Are you going to read Superman III after you finish JAWS 2? :)

[Just Jeans]

Actually, I reckon I'll tackle Superman III after I've read JAWS the Revenge. :X

[Rich]

I think the most frightening scene in the entire film was the very beginning with the girl at night. You didn't see the shark, but you just saw the reality of what was happening, and it was absolutely terrifying. I remember the first time I ever saw Jaws. To this day I still have not gone swiming in the ocean. You know that zombies can not walk around with hockey masks on. You know that there are no such things as dream demons who can take your soul in your dream. However, sharks are REAL man. They are real.

[Jus-X]

I think the most frightening scene in the entire film was the very beginning with the girl at night. You didn't see the shark, but you just saw the reality of what was happening, and it was absolutely terrifying. I remember the first time I ever saw Jaws. To this day I still have not gone swiming in the ocean. You know that zombies can not walk around with hockey masks on. You know that there are no such things as dream demons who can take your soul in your dream. However, sharks are REAL man. They are real.

Same here. And the girl was an excellent screamer. You could imagine her legs breaking with all of the thrashing, loss of blood causing her to weaken.... I mean, these movies were great. They didn't show you much and left it up to your imagination. I betcha Rob Zombie hates it!

[The Tall Man]

However, sharks are REAL man. They are real.
Yes but real sharks are not homicidal, nor do they even LIKE the taste of human flesh. Most times if a shark DOES succeed in biting a chunk out of you, they spit it out right away.

Jeans, be sure to let us know about the novelization for "Jaws 2". I believe the script for 2 included the whole "Amity Mafia" thing from the original novel that had been removed from the storyline for Jaws' movie adaptation.

T.M., Esq.

[Just Jeans]

Same here. And the girl was an excellent screamer. You could imagine her legs breaking with all of the thrashing...

There's a long standing rumor that the rig they were using to drag her about broke a rib -- people involved with the film seem to go back and forth on whether this actually happened -- so it could well be that the screaming is a bit real.

Jeans, be sure to let us know about the novelization for "Jaws 2".

I'm not very far in, but so far, yes: this novel does ignore Martin's three kids from the first book, and goes with Michael and Sean instead. I get the feeling that anyone who hasn't seen the films wouldn't want to read these books back-to-back, because it'd be a continuity nightmare.

Incidentally, does it really take a pregnant great white two years to birth their young? That seems like a ridiculously long pregnancy. :X

[The Tall Man]

Jeans, wikipedia says 11 month gestation period.

Also keep in mind... "Jaws" is it's own entity. A book created by Peter Benchley. It answers to no one. "Jaws 2" is a novelization of a film. It answers to the film. It couldn't follow "Jaws" the novel even if it wanted to (least of all, legal issues).

T.M., Esq.

[Just Jeans]

Jeans, wikipedia says 11 month gestation period.

That seems a lot more reasonable. I guess maybe in 1978 they didn't know just how long great white sharks carried their pups, or Searls simply didn't do the research.

"Jaws 2" is a novelization of a film. It answers to the film.

That assement makes sense, but in practice, this book seems to be trying to be two things at once: a sequel to a film, and sequel to a novel.

For example, the book references the scene in the film where Michael and his friends are attacked in the pond -- no such scene exists in Benchley's novel -- and in fact an entire subplot (missing from the actual film) revolves around Brody being so hung up on that attack that he refuses to let Michael take diving lessons with Andy (he's perfectly okay with Mike sailing, but refuses to let him actually get in the ocean).

But later, the book makes reference to characters that appear in Benchley's novel but didn't even make cameos in the original film -- such as Minnie Eldridge, an old lady who works at the Amity post office. She tells Ellen in the first book that the shark has been visited on Amity as a form of divine punishment from God. In the second book, Hendricks finds her cat, which has been missing for three days, trapped in a mailbag on the rear step of the post office. (Also, less significantly, Searls gets Hendricks' first name right. In Benchley's novel, he's named Leonard. In the first film, Brody calls him Len and Lenny. But in the second film, for some bizarre reason, Brody continuously calls him Jeff.)

This sort of character continuity suggests, to me, that Searls at least read Benchley's novel before starting work on JAWS 2, and seems to be trying to tie them together, at least obliquely.

If I notice any other book-to-book continuity items, I'll post about them as I find them.
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Incidentally, has anyone ever seen this image before?

http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo201/JeansieWho/jaws2.jpg

It's the first time I've seen it, and I'm curious about it. Is it just a publicity image for the first film, or is there actually a scene cut from the movie where Body, fully aware the thing is there, flings chum at the on-coming shark?
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On the subject of images, have you guys seen the Thai posters for JAWS and JAWS 2? I actually quite like them. They're sort of outrageous.

http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo201/JeansieWho/jawsthai.jpg

http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo201/JeansieWho/jaws2thati.jpg

[The Tall Man]

Thai posters are notorious for being outrageous. These, like so many others, are pretty cool. We gotta dig up their Jaws 4 poster and see what it's like. ;)

T.M., Esq.

[Rich]

Yes but real sharks are not homicidal,

True. They are not homicidal with malice aforethought like a human criminal, but YOU try jumping into a tank with a hungry shark and let me know how that goes. ;)

nor do they even LIKE the taste of human flesh. Most times if a shark DOES succeed in biting a chunk out of you, they spit it out right away

If a shark bites my leg off it doesn't matter if he eats it or spits it out. The point is, I would still be a one legged man. Hell, if a shark bit my leg off, I hope he actually DOES eat it so that at least I wouldn't loose a leg for nothing. Imagion if you got your leg bit of by a shark and the thing spits it out. What a waste of a body part that I could have friggen used, man!

[Just Jeans]

More book-to-book continuity: Daisy Wicker -- the lesbian that Ellen invites to a dinner party to try and set up with Hooper -- has been mentioned in Searls' JAWS 2 novelization (she sees the ski boat shortly before it gets blown up). That's two characters now that were in the original novel but never seen in the film.

[Just Jeans]

Now here's a head scratcher: in the novelization of JAWS 2, the event that seeds a phobia of the water in Mike is sorta-kind similar to the first film, while no such event exists in the first novel.

The scene in the film involves Mike and his friends in a sail boat in the pond, with a guy in a dinghy rowing over to check on them. The shark attacks, capsizing both vessels, and Mike watches the man from the dinghy get eaten.

As described in the novelization of JAWS 2, Mike is swimming alone in the tidal pond and the shark attacks a man who is basking in the sun on a rubber raft, only fifty feet away from Mike.

I dunno why the description of the scene from the first film was altered. Maybe Searls remembered it wrong and couldn't reference the movie? Or maybe he referenced the screenplay for the original film and the scene was different on the page from what they shot?

PS:

http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo201/JeansieWho/KanyeruptsQuint2.jpg

Of all the one's I've done, this is my finest.

[The Dream Master]

:lol:

Brilliant work, Jeans.

[Just Jeans]

I think my favorite thing about it -- apart from the gang finding Kanye's demise amusing -- is the fact he held on to that microphone for two days. :X

[The Dream Master]

And continued holding on to it until the bitter end, apparently.

[Just Jeans]

Kanye's all about keepin' it real (now that is the ultimate When Keepin' it Real Goes Wrong dere.)

[The Dream Master]

I'm surprised Kanye didn't tell Bruce, "I'mma let you finish, but the Orca had one of the greatest man-eating scenes of all time!"

Or perhaps he did say that, which explains the washed up orca in Jaws 2. :o

[Just Jeans]

And continued holding on to it until the bitter end, apparently.

Not anymore. *uploads tweaked version* :X

[God of Thunder]

Now here's a head scratcher: in the novelization of JAWS 2, the event that seeds a phobia of the water in Mike is sorta-kind similar to the first film, while no such event exists in the first novel.

The scene in the film involves Mike and his friends in a sail boat in the pond, with a guy in a dinghy rowing over to check on them. The shark attacks, capsizing both vessels, and Mike watches the man from the dinghy get eaten.

As described in the novelization of JAWS 2, Mike is swimming alone in the tidal pond and the shark attacks a man who is basking in the sun on a rubber raft, only fifty feet away from Mike.

I dunno why the description of the scene from the first film was altered. Maybe Searls remembered it wrong and couldn't reference the movie? Or maybe he referenced the screenplay for the original film and the scene was different on the page from what they shot?

PS:

http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo201/JeansieWho/KanyeruptsQuint2.jpg

Of all the one's I've done, this is my finest.


Holy shit that's hilarious!!!

I've actually started reading th ebook for Jaws 2 myself. It's pretty good I think, I like the alternate version of the ski theme.


Also, is it just me, or is the 'ski attack' theme one of the most threatening pieces of music ever?

[Just Jeans]

Can someone please explain to me what in the jiggly jolly fuck is up with the AMC oepning titles sequence for JAWS the Revenge?

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I imagine the thinking behind this "addition" went like this:

"Holy fucking dutch rudder! If we make this shit seem deep & darke & doep, people will appreciate it more! To the cutting room!

Sophia, be a doll and get that man with the deep dramatic voice on the phone, tell him we've got an AMAZING voice over for him. If he asks what film he's working on, tell him I, Claudius or some shit. Thanks very much, sweet cakes.

Oh, and when you've finished on the phone, bring a celebratory bottle of Smirnoff to the cutting room, yeah? Lovely jubbly."

My guess as to what really happened: they needed to trim about 15 seconds of gore for TV, and added the narration shit to pad out the run time.

Also, is it just me, or is the 'ski attack' theme one of the most threatening pieces of music ever?

What I find most striking about Attack on the Water Skier theme is how complex it is. There's not a track on the original JAWS score that's even a third as complex in composition as that track from JAWS 2. Williams goes 100% balls-to-the-wall with it. It's absolutely mental, and is a lot closer to the kind of thing you'd expect on an Indiana Jones soundtrack. The Big Jolt has that same kind of vibe. That's probably why they're my two favorite pieces from the second JAWS score.

I especially love those final moments of The Big Jolt, as it builds up to the shark biting down on that wire. Some of my favorite Williams work ever.

Really wish they'd release a re-mastered version of the JAWS 2 score.

[The Tall Man]

Jeans, that doesn't belong to AMC exclusively. That's the TV Version of the film. Universal added in the narration in a vain attempt to try and explain what the fuck you were about to see. It's hard to say "cut for gore" because the VHS version has some more violence that the theatrical version didn't have and the TV and VHS versions showed up at about the same time. So it's not a padding thing.

And for some reason, that video was removed already.

T.M., Esq.

[Ron]

I watched Orca for the first time the other night. It was a ripoff of JAWS, but I was thoroughly entertained.

[Just Jeans]

Orca is a pretty good movie. Richard Harris is a legend.

In other news, got some more book-to-book continuity: in the JAWS 2 novel, Brody finds himself feeling jealous over Ellen showing a Navy officer so much attention, and he thinks about the affair between Ellen and Hooper (which of course is never in the film, and which this book insinuates Brody never followed up on because he was afraid of what he might find out, which is in keeping with Brody's feelings in Benchley's novel).

[nottidelterrore]

http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo201/JeansieWho/JAWSBook3.jpg

I scored that bad boy at a used bookstore last week in addition to First Blood by David Morrell. I was looking for First Blood for ages, it seems.

[Just Jeans]

It's a terribly silly novel, but it's a lot better than the film. The Revenge subtitle actually makes sense.

[The One and Only]

The TV debut trailer for JAWS on ABC Sunday Night At The Movies. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdrCGDz_iyw&feature=related) Where I first saw it.

Also an interesting article from Arrow In The Head.com (http://www.joblo.com/arrow/index.php?id=16316) about the lack, save for DEEP BLUE SEA, and maybe JAWS 2, of any decent shark films in the years since. There was a made for TV flick back in 1991, entitled Night of the Shark, with Stacy Ketch, dealing with the sinking of the U.S.S. Indianapolis, the sailors fight for survival, thier overdue rescue, and the court martial of the ship's captain for "letting" the ship get sunk by the Japanese in case anyone was interested.

[Bill 1981]

The TV debut trailer for JAWS on ABC Sunday Night At The Movies. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdrCGDz_iyw&feature=related) Where I first saw it.

Also an interesting article from Arrow In The Head.com (http://www.joblo.com/arrow/index.php?id=16316) about the lack, save for DEEP BLUE SEA, and maybe JAWS 2, of any decent shark films in the years since. There was a made for TV flick back in 1991, entitled Night of the Shark, with Stacy Ketch, dealing with the sinking of the U.S.S. Indianapolis, the sailors fight for survival, thier overdue rescue, and the court martial of the ship's captain for "letting" the ship get sunk by the Japanese in case anyone was interested.

It was called MISSION Of The Shark (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102455/), not Night. And it was a great film based on a true & awful story. Quint knew the score about the Indy, all right.

[God of Thunder]

I watched Orca for the first time the other night. It was a ripoff of JAWS, but I was thoroughly entertained.

Not really, the plots are completely different. Good movie though.

[Bill 1981]

http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo201/JeansieWho/JAWSBook1.jpg


I copped myself a copy of it at a flea market for 50 cents. Best two quarters I ever spent. :D

[Darth Sinister]

Shit, I got that for free from a bookstore that does trade-ins.

[Just Jeans]

I think I got mine free as well, actually. Traded in a handful of paperbacks and picked up some others with the credit.

[God of Thunder]

I remember I also got a really old copy when I was about 7... it was at a fire sale place or something. It was going to be 30 cents but it turned out to be free because the owner wanted to go out n a date with my grandmother. He was unsuccessful.

[Just Jeans]

I'm a tad annoyed at Wal-Mart just now.

When I was up there last night, they were selling the 30th Anniversary Edition (http://www.amazon.com/Jaws-30th-Anniversary-Roy-Scheider/dp/B0008KLVG4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1267898436&sr=8-1) of Jaws for $5. I'm thinking, "Sweet fucking deal!" So I grab the thing and I buy it. When I get it hope and open it, I find that it's the 25th Anniversary Edition (http://www.amazon.com/Jaws-Widescreen-Anniversary-Collectors-Scheider/dp/B00004TDTO/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1267898436&sr=8-6) that was released way back in 2000. They had a cardboard slip over the front of the case that shows a picture of the 30th Anniversary Edition cover, but once you get that out of the way you see it's not that version.

False fucking advertisement, man. :meh:
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Question: which version of the film has the mono soundtrack? Is it the 25th Anniversary version or the 30th Anniversary version?

Fucking Wal-Mart, man. I just checked their website, and it says they don't even sell the 30th Anniversary version in store, you have to order it online. I can't believe they slipped that cardboard cover for the 30th Anniversary Edition over the 25th Anniversary Edition. Since I've opened it, I probably can't return it. :meh:

[Jason_Legend]

I think Jaws 2 has some of the most believable horror acting ever.

[The Tall Man]

Question: which version of the film has the mono soundtrack? Is it the 25th Anniversary version or the 30th Anniversary version?
The 30th anniversary.

Fucking Wal-Mart, man. I just checked their website, and it says they don't even sell the 30th Anniversary version in store, you have to order it online. I can't believe they slipped that cardboard cover for the 30th Anniversary Edition over the 25th Anniversary Edition. Since I've opened it, I probably can't return it. :meh:
Do you have your receipt? If you do, take that shit back and tell them to stop putting the wrong boxes on their merchandise. Not only is that shit not right, that could leave them open to litigation.

But if you have your receipt, you're aces.

T.M., Esq.

[Just Jeans]

Our Wal-Mart has a weird habit of not wanting to refund DVDs that have been taken out of the shrink wrap. Some kind of piracy prevention thing. They only want to let you exchange them for the same disc. But I think I might just throw a full-blown shitstorm over this, because I already have this version of the film. :meh:

[The Tall Man]

It's not your fault, Jeans. THEY fucked up, not you. They're the ones who put the wrong release in the wrong box. You are completely in the right, sir.

Some years back, I bought the 30th anniversary release from Best Buy. Got it home... fucker was fullscreen. Took it back and when I explained that it was a fullscreen version of a 2.35 widescreen film, the woman working there was like "Why is there even a fullscreen version of this? I'd have done the same thing" and she gave me my money back with mad quickness. Had to go to another Best Buy though to score it in widescreen... unfortunately without the commemorative booklet, though. :(

T.M., Esq.

[Rich]

Our Wal-Mart has a weird habit of not wanting to refund DVDs that have been taken out of the shrink wrap. Some kind of piracy prevention thing. They only want to let you exchange them for the same disc. But I think I might just throw a full-blown shitstorm over this, because I already have this version of the film. :meh:

Do the shitstorm, because you ARE in the right. If they refer to the film as a particular version and it is not, then you have every right to your money back. Consumers have rights.
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I saw this in their $5 bin by the way. I just didn't buy it because I own the movie already, the widescreen 25th anniversary version and didn't see the need to double dip. Now I'm really glad I didn't buy it.

I purchased Dawn of the Dead remake (widescreen rated R) and Pet Semetary special edition for $5 each yesterday from there.

[God of Thunder]

Speaking of which, I really need to buy the 30th Anniversary Edition. Back when I was 7 I would have been all over that shit. If it has the original, unfucked with soundtrack, then yeah, that's a sure deal.


BTW, it does leave in "Smile you son of a bitch!" right? I was really pissed off when they edited that line.

[The Dream Master]

Yes, the 30th Anniversary version's original mono track doesn't obscure that line (it wasn't exactly edited in the new mix, as much as it was just drowned out by the nonsensical new sound effect).

[Just Jeans]

Having just watched the 25th Anniversary version last night -- and having cranked my center channel all the way up for the purposes of bringing the dialog forward as far as possible -- I'm almost 100% sure that "bitch" is completely dropped from the 5.1 sound mix.

[The Dream Master]

It very well could be. I only watched that version a couple of times back when I first got it, so it's been a good nine or ten years since I've seen it. I was thinking it was just buried down in the mix, but I guess they could have dropped it completely.

[Jus-X]

Speaking of which, I really need to buy the 30th Anniversary Edition. Back when I was 7 I would have been all over that shit. If it has the original, unfucked with soundtrack, then yeah, that's a sure deal.


BTW, it does leave in "Smile you son of a bitch!" right? I was really pissed off when they edited that line.

I never ever heard that line. And I own a VHS from a Showtime recording back from 1983. That's as far back my copies of the film goes. I've always heard it as "smile you sonuva [fire - explosion - sound of guts hitting water] yeaaaaaahhhhh ha ha haaaaa."

I wasn't around yet when this was released in theater, maybe if the word was ever in the movie it was in theaters only?

[The Dream Master]

No, it was always there up until they redid the mix for the 25th anniversary release in 2000. It wasn't just a theater thing, I have an MCA Home Video copy from the 80s with the line intact (and the 30th Anniversary DVD, of course).

[Jus-X]

No, it was always there up until they redid the mix for the 25th anniversary release in 2000. It wasn't just a theater thing, I have an MCA Home Video copy from the 80s with the line intact (and the 30th Anniversary DVD, of course).

I've never heard it... hmmm

Guess I'll have to turn it up?

The sound on my VHS is pretty crackly when turned up.

[The Dream Master]

Yeah, it might just be a sound quality issue. You should be hearing that because, to the best of my knowledge, they never remixed it until that DVD release in 2000. Really "remix" is a misnomer because it's not only literally remixed, but there's all kinds of new sound effects that just don't sound right to anyone who's seen the movie a million times (the whales sound different, for example).

At any rate, I just read through this thread again, and I somehow missed the fact that the girl who played Thea in Jaws: The Revenge was shot to death by her father. I had no idea. :(

[Just Jeans]

No, it was always there up until they redid the mix for the 25th anniversary release in 2000.

It's even in tact during the "behind the scenes" in the special features of the 2000 release. :duh:

My mother went and saw JAWS on opening weekend. She said that the "Smile you son of a bitch!" scene was a moment that got the entire audience on their feet, cheering like mad fools. She was absolutely mystified by the way it was censored on the DVD.

But yeah, it's definitely there in the VHS releases, otherwise I'd have had no clue it was missing the first time I watched the 25th Anniversary version, as I hadn't even been born when JAWS came out.
ADDED:
I found out about the girl who played Thea almost directly after having written some extremely scathing things about her performance in that film. I went to look her up to see what she was doing "today", and when I read about what happened to her, I felt intensely guilty. I think that's actually part of the reason I resolved to try and not take personal cheap shots at actors. I felt like such a monumental douche.

[Rich]

That isn't the only time Universal did a wierd cencor job on their DVD. For some dumb reason, in their Dracula Legacy Collection, with the Bela Lugosi classic at the end you only hear one hammer shot and the lower volume death scream instead of the two hammers and multi-death moans. The funny thing is, the original DVD was not cencored like that. Neither was the 75th Anniversary edition, OR the audio track with the commentary on the Legacy Collection. Universal are wierd like that some times.

Another thing I noticed while watching my Creature from the Black Lagoon Legacy Collection version eariler was the part whe Kay throws her ciggarette in the water and it goes from her, to the cig going deeper in the water, to the creature, they seemed to have trimmer some frames off of the cig in the water for some reason. They didn't do that in the original DVD release of the film also.

[God of Thunder]

I'm not sure if it was Universal or Spielberg trying to fuck with the movie, because they added a bunch of lame ass new sound effects to the movie too.

Funny thing is, I remember when that version premiered on ABC, it was actually kinda special to me, to see a new version of Jaws. But now that that's the ONLY version TV seems to play, it's worn off to say the absolute least.

[The Dream Master]

Universal wouldn't have tampered with it without Spielberg's permission, so I'm sure he had a hand in it as well.

[The Tall Man]

Universal wouldn't have tampered with it without Spielberg's permission, so I'm sure he had a hand in it as well.
They might have tried or wanted to, or even brought the idea to Spielburg himself. For the 20th anniversary of "Scarface", Universal wanted to rerelease it to theaters with a whole new soundtrack, with music by rappers who were influenced and sang songs about Scarface. They asked Brian De Palma about it and he said "Fuck no."

T.M., Esq.

[The Dream Master]

That's what I'm saying: there's very little doubt that the remix went through without Spielberg's influence. Universal won't even release Spielberg's movies on Blu-ray without his permission.

[God of Thunder]

They might have tried or wanted to, or even brought the idea to Spielburg himself. For the 20th anniversary of "Scarface", Universal wanted to rerelease it to theaters with a whole new soundtrack, with music by rappers who were influenced and sang songs about Scarface. They asked Brian De Palma about it and he said "Fuck no."

T.M., Esq.

Oh dear fucking jesus that would have been horrific. See, this is why the studios suck, people.

[Skott]

That's what I'm saying: there's very little doubt that the remix went through without Spielberg's influence. Universal won't even release Spielberg's movies on Blu-ray without his permission.

Considering the release is essentially devoid of his input elsewhere, I wouldn't be too surprised if he had nothing to do with the release. As far as I know, unlike Lucas with Star Wars, Spielberg has no claim to Jaws and that the film is completely owned by Universal. Seems like the whole permission thing is out of courtesy and nothing more. If Spielberg did have any major influence on the release than it's quite disappointing considering the sheer amount of material available. The only thing I've ever heard about Spielberg and the DVD release was his desire to not include some of the complete deleted scenes or anything in regards to the original Kintner attack.

[The Dream Master]

Well, I don't think we've ever found out who initiated the remixing, but like you said, the idea was likely at least run by him out of courtesy. Even though Jaws is fully owned by Universal, the studio still has a working relationship with Spielberg (through Amblin Entertainment), so they won't just go around doing stuff to his old movies without his permission. Notice how Jaws (or any other Universal-owned Spielberg films) still hasn't shown up on Blu-ray? I have a feeling Universal would have already pumped that sucker out by now, but something tells me Spielberg is holding it back. After all, it was announced for HD-DVD back during the format wars by Universal, though it disappeared quick from the upcoming releases. Rumor has it that Spielberg was behind it. The only thing that has been released has been associated with Dreamworks (his company), Indy IV (which Lucas basically controls), and Close Encounters of the Third Kind (and Sony has a history of releasing that movie against the wishes of Spielberg, so he got involved to get it right the first time).

[God of Thunder]

Jesus... cutting the Kitner attack out of Jaws would be a gigantic fucking mistake.

[Patrick]

It's even in tact during the "behind the scenes" in the special features of the 2000 release. :duh:

My mother went and saw JAWS on opening weekend. She said that the "Smile you son of a bitch!" scene was a moment that got the entire audience on their feet, cheering like mad fools. She was absolutely mystified by the way it was censored on the DVD.

But yeah, it's definitely there in the VHS releases, otherwise I'd have had no clue it was missing the first time I watched the 25th Anniversary version, as I hadn't even been born when JAWS came out.
ADDED:
I found out about the girl who played Thea almost directly after having written some extremely scathing things about her performance in that film. I went to look her up to see what she was doing "today", and when I read about what happened to her, I felt intensely guilty. I think that's actually part of the reason I resolved to try and not take personal cheap shots at actors. I felt like such a monumental douche.

I never knew that happened to Judith Barsi (Thea Brody). That is terrible. Poor kid.

From WikiPedia: On July 25, 1988, József (Judith's father) shot Judith in the head with a gun while she was asleep. Maria, (her mother), hearing the gunshot, rushed down the hall to check on Judith, where József met her and shot her as well. He left the bodies for three days, before drenching them both in gasoline and setting the house on fire. Finally, he went into the garage and shot himself in the head.

Awful.

[God of Thunder]

I never knew that happened to Judith Barsi (Thea Brody). That is terrible. Poor kid.

From WikiPedia: On July 25, 1988, József (Judith's father) shot Judith in the head with a gun while she was asleep. Maria, (her mother), hearing the gunshot, rushed down the hall to check on Judith, where József met her and shot her as well. He left the bodies for three days, before drenching them both in gasoline and setting the house on fire. Finally, he went into the garage and shot himself in the head.

Awful.

What a fucking piece of human shit. Shit like that is why I support street justice.

[Rich]

I don't know about street justice, but I do support the death penalty. Well, depending on what the person did I guess if someone commits a rape I support street justice, because drug dealers get more harsh sentences. For murderers I support the death penalty.

[Jus-X]

I don't know about street justice, but I do support the death penalty. Well, depending on what the person did I guess if someone commits a rape I support street justice, because drug dealers get more harsh sentences. For murderers I support the death penalty.

I support the death penalty but not lethal injection. Lethal Inj is a nice way to go, and these cold-hearted bastards don't deserve a nice way to go. They deserve pain and suffering. They deserve a firing squad IMO.

If they murder one person, they get shot in a non-killshot and after a minute, shot in the head. For each person they kill they receive a non-kill shot, let a minute pass for suffering before applying the killshot.

[Skott]

Well, I don't think we've ever found out who initiated the remixing, but like you said, the idea was likely at least run by him out of courtesy. Even though Jaws is fully owned by Universal, the studio still has a working relationship with Spielberg (through Amblin Entertainment), so they won't just go around doing stuff to his old movies without his permission. Notice how Jaws (or any other Universal-owned Spielberg films) still hasn't shown up on Blu-ray? I have a feeling Universal would have already pumped that sucker out by now, but something tells me Spielberg is holding it back. After all, it was announced for HD-DVD back during the format wars by Universal, though it disappeared quick from the upcoming releases. Rumor has it that Spielberg was behind it. The only thing that has been released has been associated with Dreamworks (his company), Indy IV (which Lucas basically controls), and Close Encounters of the Third Kind (and Sony has a history of releasing that movie against the wishes of Spielberg, so he got involved to get it right the first time).

I think Spielberg hand picked Close Encounters for his first Blu Ray release. I gather Spielberg has no real issue with Blu Ray and it's more the studios being a bit slow. That said Jaws will be on Blu Ray sooner than later.

[The Dream Master]

Spielberg "picking" Close Encounters was the story, but most of the rumblings around the time of the announcement was that Sony was gonna put it out anyway (to support their format, after all), and they would probably put out the edition that Spielberg didn't like (like they had done in the past), so he got on board and supervised the whole thing. The fact that Spielberg-directed material has been few and far between since then is a pretty good indication that he's still keeping a watchful eye on the whole thing. You're right, he has no real issue with the format itself, but, like DVD, he's going to wait until market penetration is good before his films get released (there's a few in the pipeline now, actually). It took Jaws 3 years to make it to DVD, and we're on year 4 of Blu now, so I do think it's coming, but I also think Universal is going to run it by Spielberg before they announce it, unless they want to repeat the mistake they made a few years ago with HD-DVD.

[God of Thunder]

Ha ha, yeah it was quite a while before JAWS 3 made it to disc... I don't know why though. Personally, I'm kinda hoping for a special edition with the 3-D version since 3-D movies are popular again (and it would be nice to finally see the movie in 3-D after watching in 2-D like I have been since i was in kindergarten!!!)

As for that whole 'street justice' thing... yeah, I think it's kinda nice if there's undeniable proof that somebody did something like that, just trap the bastard and torch his ass. Human shit deserves no sort o fmercy or compassion.

[The Dream Master]

I can't remember why 2 and 3 took a while to get to DVD, either, but it probably had something to do with the fact that Universal didn't want to release them before part 1 was out. Interesting fact: the first Jaws movie on DVD was actually 4, when Goodtimes released it. Another interesting fact: anyone ever noticed a distinct lack of a Jaws box set? Word is that Spielberg blocked that too, as he didn't want him movie associated with the lesser sequels.

[God of Thunder]

Oh yeah, wouldn't wanna tarnish his reputation after such classics as Minority Report. Whatever Spielberg, ya pretentious bastard.

Yeah, I actually remember when the Goodtimes DVD of Revenge came out, I had the Goodtimes VHS but I remember seeing the DVD for sale at Walmart (remember back then that there were only like 40 DVDs there tops, and they were all behind this protective cage like the video games? Retro man...) I was 8 at the time.

[Rich]

The only Jaws sequel I liked was Jaws 3. I loved when they were in that giant aquarium and Jaws in swiming around. I thought that was scary. I saw it on TV years ago.

[The Tall Man]

Another interesting fact: anyone ever noticed a distinct lack of a Jaws box set? Word is that Spielberg blocked that too, as he didn't want him movie associated with the lesser sequels.
Too late. :shifty:

Ha ha, yeah it was quite a while before JAWS 3 made it to disc... I don't know why though.
I think DM meant "It took Jaws three years to make it to DVD"... I don't think he meant "Jaws 3-D".

T.M., Esq.

[The Dream Master]

I was talking about Jaws at first, but GoT is right because it was 2003 before Jaws 3 made it out. 6 years into DVD's lifespan. :o

[Rich]

Since the box set issue was brought up by Universal, they did the same thing with Psycho. You can get the original on it's own or as part of a couple different Alfred Hitchcock box sets. The Psycho box set is only the sequels, though Universal owns all of them.

Note: I wish they would release Psycho IV by itself, since I already have the first three and don't feel like rebuying Parts 2 and 3 so that I can have Part 4.

[The Dream Master]

Might as well just grab that 3-pack, Rich. Chances are, IV would be about ten bucks on its own, and you can get the 3-pack for about that price. Sucks to rebuy shit, I know, but it's not so bad when it's cheap.

[God of Thunder]

Too late. :shifty:


I think DM meant "It took Jaws three years to make it to DVD"... I don't think he meant "Jaws 3-D".

T.M., Esq.

Oh shit, you're right.... *sinks slowly into chair from embarrassment*

My mistake.

[The Tall Man]

hahahah. No big.

T.M., Esq.

[God of Thunder]

Speaking of 3-D, I'm still a little in the dark as to why people seemingly hate the score of the film. I haven't listened to the actual soundtrack album myself, but I always thought the score for that one was decent. Not as much as the 2nd film, but I did like it all the same.

Really, I don't understand the hatred against any JAWS films... but that could be because they're just so damned special to me.

[The Tall Man]

Speaking of 3-D, I'm still a little in the dark as to why people seemingly hate the score of the film. I haven't listened to the actual soundtrack album myself, but I always thought the score for that one was decent. Not as much as the 2nd film, but I did like it all the same.
It's not Jaws-y feeling in the least. It's just a score that could have been for any sort of actiony kind of film. Do they even utilize the Jaws theme in that one?

Really, I don't understand the hatred against any JAWS films... but that could be because they're just so damned special to me.
Have you SEEN "Jaws: The Revenge"? :duh:

T.M., Esq.

[God of Thunder]

It's not Jaws-y feeling in the least. It's just a score that could have been for any sort of actiony kind of film. Do they even utilize the Jaws theme in that one?


Have you SEEN "Jaws: The Revenge"? :duh:

T.M., Esq.

Yeah, they do at the beginning Tally. I haven't watched it in years, so I'm not sure which other parts they use it in (if at all).

Yeah, I have seen Jaws 4 many, many times. I can see a lot of the ludicrous plot points (the story in itself I will grant you is dumber than shit) but keep in mind that I have been watching that movie since I was 6, when my world was pretty much devoted to Jaws and its sequels, so it is a special film to me. Also, keep in mind that the list of my favorite movies includes Burial Ground, Violent Shit 2, and Devil Fish.... so a movie has to be unimaginably abominable for me to hate it.

[The Tall Man]

Oh I don't hate Jaws 4. In fact, I'll take 4 over 3 all day long and twice on Sundays. But the movie is an undeniable piece of shit.

T.M., Esq.

[God of Thunder]

Heh, I guess I can't argue with that. :D

[Just Jeans]

Do they even utilize the Jaws theme in that one?

There are hints of it, but the theme is never played in full, and those hints only happen two or three times. Alan Parker chose to develop his own themes and motifs for the characters and the shark.

It's not horrible music, the album on its own is pretty enjoyable, it's just not a very good JAWS soundtrack. Small's score for The Revenge is a lot better, both in terms of a standalone listen and fitting into the film for which it was written.

[The Tall Man]

I know it's blasphemy, but I actually prefer Small's rendition of the Jaws theme to Williams' original.

T.M., Esq.

[Rich]

I can actually understand Spielberg's point of not wanting his original masterpiece with the lesser sequels. Lets face it, the sequels DO NOT live up to the original. I do have to admit that though the original is still supreme, I did enjoy the hell out of Jaws 3. The scariest part was when the shark tried to bust his way into the glass with the people inside.

[Just Jeans]

I know it's blasphemy, but I actually prefer Small's rendition of the Jaws theme to Williams' original.

Same here. Small gave The Revenge much better than it deserved.

You know, I've heard versions of Williams theme that features moments that are very similar to Small's -- such as the rushing strings that appear beneath the traditional piano part -- but I can't figure out if that was always part of Williams' version, or if it was retconned into performances recorded after Small's Revenge theme.

[God of Thunder]

Hey Rich, I actually love Jaws 3 as well. I think overall it's a great film.


The sequels really are completely different stylistically than the original. THe original was a sort of medieval romance like tale of 3 people wandering out to slay an evil. The sequels were more like slasher films with a shark.

[The Tall Man]

The sequels really are completely different stylistically than the original. THe original was a sort of medieval romance like tale of 3 people wandering out to slay an evil. The sequels were more like slasher films with a shark.
That's exactly it, sir. Universal thought that what made "Jaws" great was the shark. It wasn't and that's why the sequels don't really work. It was Roy Scheider, Richard Dreyfuss, and Robert Shaw and their chemistry with each other that made "Jaws" so great. Hell I probably could have watched a movie with them without a damned killer shark. This is why "Jaws 2" was the best of the sequels, but Dreyfuss and Shaw are still sorely missed.

As for that floating loaf of bread coming for the glass... that doesn't even look good in 3-D.

T.M., Esq.

[God of Thunder]

Eh, I'm a bit biased given that the movies have been in my life for so long. Maybe if I saw them now I wouldn't feel quite as much love for them as I do... but I have to admit, those were the first time I watched horror movies and I always thought it was damned cool watching an arm float around on the screen, the shark crashing through the glass (which I'll admit, does look pretty ludicrous in 2-D) a point of view shot of somebody being devoured by the shark, and the shark being blown up with a grenade.

Kinda like Sesame St. (well, old Sesame) If you watched it for the first time as an adult, you'd probably not give 2 shits about it, but since you saw it so much as a kid, it always has a special place in your heart, which begins to rot as you watch Kevin "Childhood Memory Destroyer" Clash destroy it more and more every year... oh wait, off topic. :D


Still, I do love Jaws 3 and 4 for what they are: fun monster films.

That said, the shark in 2 does look pretty damned cool to me. Not as cool as the 'scarface shark' from 2, but still a nice looking bath toy. :D I love the shot where you see it underwater with the 2 divers, it looks huge!!!

[Rich]

I also must admit that I enjoyed the hell out of Jaws: The Revenge.

[French Friday]

Oh I don't hate Jaws 4. In fact, I'll take 4 over 3 all day long and twice on Sundays. But the movie is an undeniable piece of shit.

T.M., Esq.

But the first 20 minutes in Amity which are one of the best sequel opening ever made...

...until they change location to Bahamas. Then, yes, apart some good scenes here or there (the sunken ship chase), the movie went downhill to, maybe not shit, but something not far away.

Too bad after near 20 viewings in 20 years (a high score for me, 2nd or 3rd maybe, Jaws 1 being the movie I watched the most, nearly 60 times during the same time), I'm now at a point I can't bear the failures of this movie. The same for Jaws 3.

[The Dream Master]

I agree, French. The Amity-set stuff in the Revenge is very good, surprisingly good even considering the movie's overall reputation. The problem is that nothing interesting happens between that 20 minutes and the absurd ending.

[The Tall Man]

The problem is that nothing interesting happens between that 20 minutes and the absurd ending.
Ha. Well you've fully described the original theatrical ending... now how would you describe the international ending? ;)

T.M., Esq.

[The Dream Master]

Absurd. :X

[God of Thunder]

Eh, the theatrical ending was pretty cool I thought.

The international ending... holy shit. Fucking awful.

[The Tall Man]

Absurd. :X
Eh, that dog won't hunt, monsignor. It's gotta be a worse word because it's a worse ending.

I mean, stupid as it it, the theatrical ending at least makes a semblance of sense: if you were to impale a shark, it would bleed and die.

On the other hand... well, I don't need to describe that...

exploding sharks

T.M., Esq.

[Just Jeans]

When I was a kid, I remember justifying the exploding shark with Jake's slave unit. At some point off camera, I imagined Jake had slipped a little bit of C4 into the slave unit, and used a remote detonator to trigger the explosion when Ellen pierced the shark.

...he's got a love of for theatrical timing, Jake. :X

[The Dream Master]

Eh, that dog won't hunt, monsignor. It's gotta be a worse word because it's a worse ending.

I mean, stupid as it it, the theatrical ending at least makes a semblance of sense: if you were to impale a shark, it would bleed and die.

On the other hand... well, I don't need to describe that...

exploding sharks

T.M., Esq.

That ending is Harlintastic. Only way to describe it.

[The Tall Man]

When I was a kid, I remember justifying the exploding shark with Jake's slave unit. At some point off camera, I imagined Jake had slipped a little bit of C4 into the slave unit, and used a remote detonator to trigger the explosion when Ellen pierced the shark.

...he's got a love of for theatrical timing, Jake. :X
Not only will that dog not hunt, it needs to be taken around back and shot. :lmao:

That ending is Harlintastic. Only way to describe it.
Bingo. Here we go.:sniffle:

T.M., Esq.

[Jus-X]

The international ending

:confused: What the hell is this? Only know of one ending, and that's the one on the VHS.

[The Dream Master]

The international ending is the one on VHS (and DVD). Originally, the shark didn't explode--instead, Ellen simply stabbed it to death. Oh, and Jake stays dead instead of miraculously surviving being eaten by the shark. AMC airs this version of the movie whenever they show it.

[Jus-X]

The international ending is the one on VHS (and DVD). Originally, the shark didn't explode--instead, Ellen simply stabbed it to death. Oh, and Jake stays dead instead of miraculously surviving being eaten by the shark. AMC airs this version of the movie whenever they show it.

Ah. I see. I just didn't know there was two different endings... when you all say "International Version" it just sounds like "alternate version" to me, like Curse's "Producer's Cut"... something never aired. In other words I had it backwards.

[God of Thunder]

When I was a kid, I remember justifying the exploding shark with Jake's slave unit. At some point off camera, I imagined Jake had slipped a little bit of C4 into the slave unit, and used a remote detonator to trigger the explosion when Ellen pierced the shark.

...he's got a love of for theatrical timing, Jake. :X

Ya know Jeans, it's funny, I thought the exact same thing when I was 8. I always thought that the broken mast had stuck the machine or whatever was stuck to the shark by Jake, and it caused an explosion. Of course, this was also in the time that I thought that a grenade's explosion range was matched only by that of an atomic bomb. :D

[French Friday]

In the french dubbed version, Jake talks about dynamite on the boat, during the sunken ship chase, when he wants to dive to help Michael (translated, that would be "I dive, I take the dynamite") -> it explains the boat explosion, in a way, after the shock against the shark.

But I love how the JTR Jaws theme starts just at the beginning of the ending credits, at full power. Just give me thrills. So, in a way, the ending of JTR is great... when the ending credits start rolling. ^_^

I would love to re-edit the movie to make it work, but I don't know how. Too much to cut out, and nothing to fill the voids. The same for J3. For more than 10 years I want to do that because of the parts I love in that movie.

ADDED : I've just got an idea to do that re-editing. What if we take the story of JTR and add scenes from J3 as flashbacks to fill the voids ? I don't know how it would work, but as JTR is a story of revenge with a lot of flashbacks, either in images or lines, maybe that could work... And for the ending, edit together the 4 endings to fix the absurdity of the 4th one by mixing it into the 3 others in a "big finale" one... Damned, I just need to change my computer and start this project. Too many years I'm waiting. Even if the result is absurd, it surely will give me a new reason to watch these 2 movies I loved to death in the past !

[The Tall Man]

Ah. I see. I just didn't know there was two different endings... when you all say "International Version" it just sounds like "alternate version" to me, like Curse's "Producer's Cut"... something never aired. In other words I had it backwards.
Justyn, many movies have an International Version. If the movie is changed in any way for overseas distribution, that is the International Version. The version of Jaws 4 you have on VHS (or DVD) is the international version. The version of "Freddy's Dead" you have on VHS and DVD is the international version.

Meanwhile, here is the original theatrical ending of "Jaws: The Revenge", via the film's television version from AMC:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqiWWmAEfTA

In the french dubbed version, Jake talks about dynamite on the boat, during the sunken ship chase, when he wants to dive to help Michael (translated, that would be "I dive, I take the dynamite") -> it explains the boat explosion, in a way, after the shock against the shark.
The French distributors likely added in that line to help explain away that stupid ass ending.

T.M., Esq.

[Jus-X]

Thanks Tally. Never seen that before. What's the non-international Freddy's Dead ending?

[The Tall Man]

Justyn, Freddy's Dead has the same ending in all versions. However, in the original theatrical version (which ran 100 - 105 minutes vs. the 88 minute version on DVD), the demons exchange dialogue with one another before flying off. And after Maggie delivers the "Freddy's Dead" line, the three engage in a freeze-frame high five.

Hrm... I guess the ending of FD was different then. But not of Jaws 4 proportions.

T.M., Esq.

[Jus-X]

I think I have seen that before.

[Bill 1981]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqiWWmAEfTA


T.M., Esq.

Shark still looks fake. :X

[The Tall Man]

Looks less fake than the toy in the sink reshot ending. Least you can tell it's still a full-size prop.

I think I have seen that before.
If you saw "Freddy's Dead" during it's theatrical run you did. Otherwise, the only place you could have seen the demon dialogue was in the "Making of" that aired only once a week after the movie opened and the high five can be seen in the German print of the film, "Freddy's Finale: Nightmare on Elm Street 6" [sic], which is on DVD, or the workprint.

T.M., Esq.

[Jus-X]

I remember hearing the dialogue and seeing the lame hi five. Whether it was on the movie or in special features I don't remember.

[The Tall Man]

You didn't see any special features. Cause none exist showing any of that.

Like I said, in theaters, the workprint, or the German version.

T.M., Esq.

[Rich]

I didn't know this movie had so many versions. It's like Dawn of the Dead. Anyway, I just watch the single disc edition that I own. I forget how good this movie actually is.

[God of Thunder]

PJo_BRwa6fM

Enjoy. :lmao:

I've got to be one of about 27 people in the world that loves Jaws 4.

[God of Thunder]

http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo201/JeansieWho/jawsthai.jpg



The look on Brody's face is fucking priceless. :D

[Kat]

I played this at the Casino the other night.

http://www2.prnewswire.com/mnr/aristocrat/35339/images/35339-hi-Jaws_bank.jpg

[Jus-X]

Lemme guess Kat, it "ate" your money?

[Kat]

^ I won 20, I had put in 10, so I was up 10 dollars :p

Then I moved on to the Alien slot... where you get to shoot facehuggers in the bonus

[Ghostdude]

JAW is one of my favorite movies.After seeing it for the first time back in the day I was hooked(No pun intended)and havew been loving movies ever since.I have seen the three sequels more times than anybody should.

[Jus-X]

JAW is one of my favorite movies.

Never heard of JAW.

:D

Kidding mang... kidding