A Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors

[BlakeTyner]

Nancy's back, and she's working at the loony bin. Sit back, relax, and welcome to prime time, bitch.

~BT

[Rich]

This movie is getting a little harder for me to watch these days. It is a very good continuation of the original movie, but not scary enough. I do like the added backstory reguarding the circumstances behind Freddy's conception. It was not really needed, but appreciated in my book. Certain scenes I really did not to see in this movie, but over all this was a better sequel then most of them. Wes Craven's New Nightmare, for me, is not only the king of Nightmare sequels, but the king of slasher sequels, but this film is a fun viewing.

[CanadianFonzie]

this one, the first one and New Nightmare are my favourite's in the series

Sure this movie got a bit too unrealistic (for a Nightmare on Elm Street film) such as that Dungeons and Dragons guy...I won't go spoiling nothing though but I really like this movie, probably seen it the most out of all of them

[The Dream Master]

I've said it before, but I'll say it again: this is probably my favorite horror film ever for some reason. I think it's a nice mix of the darkness of the first film and the more fantastic elements of the later sequels.

Plus, Kincaid is the f'n man. 'Nuff said.

[Jigsaw]

I've said it before, but I'll say it again: this is probably my favorite horror film ever for some reason. I think it's a nice mix of the darkness of the first film and the more fantastic elements of the later sequels.

Plus, Kincaid is the f'n man. 'Nuff said.


I agree. This is my second favorite NOES film after New Nightmare and one I love watching over and over. One of the most kick-ass Horror movies out there.

[Deathscythe]

I've said it before, but I'll say it again: this is probably my favorite horror film ever for some reason. I think it's a nice mix of the darkness of the first film and the more fantastic elements of the later sequels.

Plus, Kincaid is the f'n man. 'Nuff said.

Dude, I agree with you all the way. Dream Warriors is my favorite horror movie of all time.

"Welcome to prime time, *****!"

[CanadianFonzie]

I love watching over and over. .

so do I actually...I don't know why, of all of the films, this is the one I can probably watch more than once in a row without getting tired of it

and let's not forget the participation of Dokken, a favourite band of mine, and the birth of the song "Dream Warriors", probably my favourite use of a song during teh ending credits

[Jigsaw]

Who doesn't love the song Dream Warriors either? It had a pretty cool video too that's on the bonus disc in the DVD boxed set.

[sCabbOy]

It's so easy to watch. It's funny, yet it still has what Part 1 and 2 had.

[CanadianFonzie]

the Dream Warriors music video, what a great video, I love that ending "who were those guys?" haha, I love how the music video blended the movie so well into the video, even getting Robert and Patricia to act out some parts

[The Tall Man]

Why didn't Taryn ever try to stab Freddy with her hair?

T.M.

[The Dream Master]

Because she was too much of a junkie to think that clearly, I guess.

[CanadianFonzie]

that was another scene that I didn't care for in the movie

[MaDMaNMaRz]

Dream Warriors is my favorite sequel.

They mixed the comedy really well with the horror. It wasn't OVERLY comedic. Freddy was still relatively dark, but he started his wisecracks.....although they were pretty good in this one.

[Darth Sinister]

I enjoyed this film, after the shittyness of the second one. Freddy has some of the best one liners and some good kills.Though I wish Englund's voice was all over the place.

[CanadianFonzie]

that's true, of all NOES' he seemed to have the most voice changes on this one

[The Tall Man]

Canadian, it's because filming wrapped in January of '87 for a February '87 release date. They had less than a month of post, so as a result, not every one of Englund's lines were Freddy-ized.

T.M.

[CanadianFonzie]

oh, I didn't know there was an actual reason, lol I thought they just made it that way because they felt like it, haha

[Deathscythe]

I just updated my sig with my favorite line from the movie.

Kincaid was so awesome.

[CanadianFonzie]

one of my favourite lines EVER is in this movie "I said where's the fuckin' bourbon!" every time I watch it, going right back to when I saw it in theatres, I die of laughter

[Shoesalesman]

Next to the first one, this is my favorite. Kincaid indeed rocks.

I thought there were more elements of humor in this one, compared to parts one and two. It was nice to see a group of folks step up to Freddy and try to stand their ground against him.

[Ron]

"In my dreams, I'm The Wizardmaster!"

[Gringo Loco]

"Sorry, kid. I don't believe in fairy tales." mwhuahahahaha! :freddy:

After seeing part 4 again for the first time in about 5 years, I have to say part 3 will probably be ranked 3rd best with part 4 coming in second and part 1 coming in first. I've seen Freddy's Dead recently as well and I think that is second to last with FvsJ dead last. I need to watch all of them again and decide what goes where though.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

My rankings can switch often too. I actually haven't watched ANY of the NOES films in a long time. I should probably have a marathon sometime. :)

[Deathscythe]

In my rankings Dream Warriors will ALWAYS be the best sequel, I don't think I'll prefer any sequel over it, ever.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

3 is my favorite sequel too

My current rankings:

1
3
2
4
NN
FvJ
5
6

[Deathscythe]

My sequel rankings:

1. Dream Warriors
2. Dream Master
3. New Nightmare
5. Dream Child
6. Freddy vs. Jason
7. Freddy's Revenge
8. Freddy's Dead

[Speck]

Do you think there was anything going on between Nancy & Dr. Gordon? Seems like they were getting pretty close there towards the end.

[Jenosis]

Do you think there was anything going on between Nancy & Dr. Gordon? Seems like they were getting pretty close there towards the end.

I think that they would've got married and had a cute little house on Elm Street. ;)

[Scarecrow]

Just how I like my horror... with a healthy dose of fantasy.

Best of the bunch.



- Scarecrow

[The Tall Man]

Speck, in the script, Gordon hits it.

T.M.

[Speck]

I watched this movie again last night and I must say....the cinematography in this film is absolutely fantastic. The outdoor sunset scenes were perfectly lit casting shadows and gave off that afternoon glow. The indoor scenes were also well done. I particularly liked the scene were Dr. Gordon was staring outside the window with the streetlight shining in and you could see the raindrops sillhouetted against his face and the wall. Brilliant.

[BlakeTyner]

My Nightmare 3 disc has been MIA for a while, but I found it today (oddly enough in my Clerks case) and gave it another go. I actually had the opposite reaction from Nightmare 2. Freddy's Revenge has grown on me over the years, and Dream Warriors has actually fallen a bit. I can't pinpoint why, but I think it centers on Nancy's hair. Damn, what a case of helmet head *that* perm was. She had a lot of hair in the original, but it was more flattering.

Still, I agree that the cinematography looked really good. And I'm still impressed with the makeup job on the kid who Freddy turns into a puppet.

~Blake

[Deathscythe]

My Nightmare 3 disc has been MIA for a while, but I found it today (oddly enough in my Clerks case) and gave it another go. I actually had the opposite reaction from Nightmare 2. Freddy's Revenge has grown on me over the years, and Dream Warriors has actually fallen a bit. I can't pinpoint why, but I think it centers on Nancy's hair. Damn, what a case of helmet head *that* perm was. She had a lot of hair in the original, but it was more flattering.

Still, I agree that the cinematography looked really good. And I'm still impressed with the makeup job on the kid who Freddy turns into a puppet.

~Blake

Wow, I'm the complete opposite. I watched Dream Warriors one month ago (07/07/07, don't ask how I remember the date), and loved it even more. I can barely stand to watch Freddy's Revenge, the only scene I liked in it was the pool party scene.

[Scarecrow]

Freddy's Revenge is just really, REALLY boring in many places, I think, something that couldn't be leveled at Dream Warriors.


- Scarecrow

[MaDMaNMaRz]

I can't pinpoint why, but I think it centers on Nancy's hair. Damn, what a case of helmet head *that* perm was. She had a lot of hair in the original, but it was more flattering.

Yeah, I didn't like her hair as much in 3. I still personally think she looked the best in New Nightmare. :) :shy:

[Deathscythe]

So did I, I love the scene when she was wet. ;)

[The Tall Man]

I dig Nancy's hair in Dream Warriors.

T.M.

[Scarecrow]

I dig Nancy's hair in Dream Warriors.

T.M.



Seconded!


- Scarecrow

[Deathscythe]

Third! Heather looks good in all three movies imo.

[Ron]

I thought this film had a lot of strong aspects, but fell short once they started to try and implement too much humor.

[sCabbOy]

I thought it had just enough humor. I love this movie as much as Part 1, it was fun yet still had everything the original had.

[Kane Lives]

Like Aliens, Dream Warriors is one of those films that I seem to enjoy watching even more every time I see it.

[sCabbOy]

Like Aliens, Dream Warriors is one of those films that I seem to enjoy watching even more every time I see it.

Great one-liners as well.

[Deathscythe]

"Lets go kick this motherfuckers ass all over dreamland."

Yes it did.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

I agree scab. I liked the one-liners in 3. I actually liked the ones in 4 too. But in 5, they were just ridiculous. :X

[BlakeTyner]

"Lets go kick this motherfuckers ass all over dreamland."

Yes it did.

I really dig Kincaid. He was such a badass in 3. When he was mainstream in 4 (which I just rewatched a couple of nights ago) I kind of lost interest in him. I always feel bad for him when he's trapped in the salvage yard and there's that shot of him screaming "Kristin! Freddy's back!"

He had a pretty good death tho. Talked shit up till the end. ;)

~Blake

[Ron]

I always thought the skeleton scene in Dream Warriors was pretty terrible too.

[Brett H.]

I really dig Kincaid. He was such a badass in 3. When he was mainstream in 4 (which I just rewatched a couple of nights ago) I kind of lost interest in him. I always feel bad for him when he's trapped in the salvage yard and there's that shot of him screaming "Kristin! Freddy's back!"

He had a pretty good death tho. Talked shit up till the end. ;)

~Blake

I pray every night for an A Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors "THE FUCK YOU WILL!" edition DVD. Maybe one day Shaye will answer my prayer.

[Scarecrow]

I always thought the skeleton scene in Dream Warriors was pretty terrible too.

I love that stuff. There's a certain 'real' element to stop motion and it looks kind of cool.


- Scarecrow

[Ron]

It reminds me of Pee Wee's playhouse and comes off tacky, but thats just me.

[sCabbOy]

That skeleton scene owned.

[Kane Lives]

I liked the skeleton sequence also. But, maybe it's just because I like old stop motion 80s FX work.

The scene was also great because it kept the pace moving really well IMO. I liked how they had two different points of action going on; in the real world and dream world. They sort of did that again in The Dream Child or tried to, but I didn't think it worked as well as it did here.

[Deathscythe]

The skeleton thing was a big wtf, the penis / worm Freddy was hilarious through.

[Rich]

I hate the giant dick scene, but the skeleton scene is cool, but it does not make sense within the context of the story. Neil and Donnald were not dreaming, so it made no sense how that could happen in reality. That was a classic case of sacrafice the story for a cheesy special effect (like and alien being born full size in Alien 3).

[Scarecrow]

It did happen in reality though... Freddy essentially used his powers to momentarily 'return' to his original body. He's at the height of his strength here, with only a few Elm Street kids left... his abilities seem limitless. He leaves the dreamworld and goes to the real world, animating his remains, before returning to the dream worlkd to continue fighting.

- Scarecrow

[Rich]

When he said, "The souls of the children give me strength," maybe that is a clue. Maybe his powers are enhanced because of the souls in him (like Shang Tsung in Mortal Kombat) and that is why he was able to return to his reality bound body for a couple minutes.

[Deathscythe]

When he said, "The souls of the children give me strength," maybe that is a clue. Maybe his powers are enhanced because of the souls in him (like Shang Tsung in Mortal Kombat) and that is why he was able to return to his reality bound body for a couple minutes.

Have you seen the Mortal Kombat movie? In the end all the souls are freed from Tsung, alala The Dream Master ending.

Also, did anyone else Nancys fathers death was kinda lame?

[BlakeTyner]

Also, did anyone else Nancys fathers death was kinda lame?


I think that if it was just some random person it would have been lame, but there's something I like about having him die that way; I think it just fits within who he was in 3. When I rewatched it recently I was struck at how much more I like his performance in this movie versus the first one. I recall really digging him in NN, too, and intend to pay attention to his scenes when I get to it. I still have to slog through 5 and 6.

~Blake

[Ron]

I've always been pleased with John Saxon's performances. I just recently realized just how many horror films he's actually been in.

[The Dream Master]

John Saxon's greatest performance was in Mitchell, no doubt. ;)

[Kane Lives]

Saxon was always great in the films IMO. I've always been a fan of the Lt. Thompson character.

[The Tall Man]

When he said, "The souls of the children give me strength," maybe that is a clue.
Well yeah... the more souls he has, the more powerful he is. In FD, he's manipulating reality left and right. In Nightmare 4, he shrugs off Debbie's "I don't believe in you" when it put him down in the original.

John Saxon's greatest performance was in Mitchell, no doubt. ;)
DM... Saxon is gonna come to your house and kick your ass for that. ;)

T.M.

[The Dream Master]

"If that's John Saxon, I'm dead."

[The Tall Man]

LMMFAO!!!! :lmao:

T.M.

[Rich]

Have you seen the Mortal Kombat movie? In the end all the souls are freed from Tsung, alala The Dream Master ending.

Also, did anyone else Nancys fathers death was kinda lame?

Yeah, but they are still the source of his power. Follow the story of the games. Shang Tsung is not even his own person. All he is, is a collection of souls formed by Shao Khan.

[Rich]

This year marks the 20 year anniversary for this movie. I wish New Line would make an infini film 20 year annivers edition for this like they did the first film.

[Deathscythe]

Yeah same here. I may actually buy it on DVD if they did that. Would be weird to give the 1st and 3rd film a special edition and not the 2nd through.

[Rich]

The second one just does not have a strong enough following to do that for I don't think.

I don't want to speak for anyone or misrepresent anyone, but according to my own personal observations, it seems as though most fans like the Nancy trilogy the best and pretty much forget the rest. I know I do for sure.

[The Dream Master]

While I prefer 1, 3, and WCNN, I certainly don't forget the rest. I love each film, to be honest, even Freddy's Dead. I'd buy all the NOES films again in a second if they were released in HD.

[Deathscythe]

The second one just does not have a strong enough following to do that for I don't think.

I don't want to speak for anyone or misrepresent anyone, but according to my own personal observations, it seems as though most fans like the Nancy trilogy the best and pretty much forget the rest. I know I do for sure.

Maybe I should make a poll to see what Nightmares everyone on this forum likes, than we'll see which 3 are in the lead. :cool:

But I also think the Heather Lagenkamp trilogy is the most liked so w/e.

[The Dream Master]

I think the only film that has a chance of challening the Nancy trilogy would be Dream Master. It seems to be rather well-liked. That said, I don't think it'd garner the most votes at all.

[Deathscythe]

Yeah The Dream Master is my 2nd favorite sequel, I liked the Alice character and I enjoyed the kills too.

[The Dream Master]

Sometimes, I think I prefer Alice to Nancy. You can't go wrong with either, though.

[Rich]

I liked Alice better in Nightmare 5 then in Nightmare 4. Not that I really like it that much, but I actually prefer the movie Part 5 to Part 4, because I think it is a much more sinistar concept for Freddy to be manipulating an unborn fetus then a movie about a mirror.

[Deathscythe]

I prefer Alice. I like Nancy, but sometimes Heathers acting just gives me a "meh" feeling.

[The Tall Man]

I prefer Alice. I like Nancy, but sometimes Heathers acting just gives me a "meh" feeling.
Heather never gives me a meh feeling in my pants, though. :cool:

"Nancy Trilogy"? Heather Langenkamp in Nightmare 7 is not Nancy Thompson, no matter how you slice it. Just as GAP-Freddy isn't Freddy.

T.M.

[The Dream Master]

True, TM, even though she did sort of show up at the end of WCNN.

Incidentally, that brings to mind something that's always bugged me about WCNN: Wes Craven (the real guy) and the Wes Craven in the film totally pulled an H20 before H20. He totally ignored the fact that both Nancy and Donald died in Dream Warriors, yet, somehow, there they are at the end of WCNN within the fictional new film. I guess one can sort of bend the rules, given the type of film that WCNN is.

[Deathscythe]

Sometimes I kinda wish Freddy went for Lisa Wilcox instead. I mean Alice beat him twice without dieing and Nancy got killed off in Part 3.

[The Tall Man]

He totally ignored the fact that both Nancy and Donald died in Dream Warriors
DM, I totally was raising my eyebrow about that sitting in the theater in 1994. Craven also ignored that Donald isn't the police chief anymore. ;)

T.M.

[The Dream Master]

Hey, if Donald can come back from the dead, regaining his police chief status should be easy enough.

When I was watching it in the theater in '94, my head was hurting from trying to figure out what was going on. I was only ten. I think my dad was a little bewildered too, because we were both trying to figure it out during the ride home.

[Scarecrow]

Well you coulkd say GAP-Freddy IS Freddy in the esense that if this Demon was trapped in the story AS Freddy then everythign we know Freddy to be was the form Wes chose for the demon. :p

But I get what you mean. ;)

- Scarecrow

[The Tall Man]

GAP-Freddy is the Roy of the Nightmare series.

T.M.

[Deathscythe]

WTF does GAP mean?

[MaDMaNMaRz]

GAP, the clothing store? :lol:

[BlakeTyner]

GAP = the clothing store.

In New Nightmare, Freddy's stylish new wardrobe led to someone remarking that it looked like he shopped at the GAP.

They're not as popular now as they used to be.

~Blake

[Scarecrow]

GAP-Freddy is the Roy of the Nightmare series.

T.M.


I liked Roy. The guy was hardcore.


- Scarecrow

[Rich]

I think the look in New Nightmare is Freddy's best look. He looks way more evil with that coat and the metal glove.

[El Rooto]

I liked Roy. The guy was hardcore.


- Scarecrow

WITHOUT A DOUBT!

I wonder why an ages-old demon is so damn easy to kill.

[The Tall Man]

Missingmachete, that makes no sense to me either...

You stab GAP-Freddy in the leg, and he screams and whines, and limps around the rest of the movie.

You stab Freddy... and he yanks it out, laughs at you, then shoves it up your ass (while walking just fine).

T.M.

[Rich]

Maybe the New Nightmare Freddy would have gotten stronger as he went on. Remember Freddy was a new form for him, and even the Nightmare on Elm Street series Freddy needs to build his strength.

Maybe if the demon that became Freddy would have taken people's souls as he killed them and committed more murders building up his strength before going after Heather/Nancy, he would have been able to take more damage.

[Cody]

One, (Robert Englund) has a highly speculative mind, which goes way back to the 80's when he gave an interview to Fangoria shortly after Freddy's Revenge detailing his frankly awesome idea for a third film, Freddy's Funland.

Anyone have more information on what Englund's Funland idea was? This mention was the first time I've ever heard of it, and a Google search yields no results.

[The Tall Man]

I never heard that title, but I do remember Englund talking about his treatment for the third Nightmare film featured black and white footage of Freddy alive being interviewed in a sanitarium before his trial but still running the show.

T.M.

[The Dream Master]

An excerpt from the original NOES 3 script that I find enjoyable:

Freddie (:lol:):

Cunt! I'll get you--asleep or awake! I'll shit on your corpse!"

[Deathscythe]

Who does Freddy say that to?

[The Dream Master]

He says that to Nancy.

[Deathscythe]

Yeah I guessed right, Freddy seemed mega pissed at Nancy in this movie.

[The Dream Master]

By the way, here's a link to the early script (http://nightmareonelmstreetfilms.com/Files/nightmare_on_elm_street_3_wes_craven_script.pdf) if anyone wants to check it out.

[The Tall Man]

(c) Wes Craven, 1987.

Why does that man not have an Oscar?

Oh wait, did I say Oscar? I meant Swirlie.

T.M.

ADDED: Holy balls! I remember Freddy calling Nancy the c-word, but I don't think it ever registered to me that he said he'd shit on her corpse. :o

[Dead Cell]

Considering how drastically part 3 was rewritten compared to Wes' original idea, it's no surprise that he basically ignored it for WCNN. I know he was always a little pissed that Nancy was killed off at the end.

[The Dream Master]

Dead Cell, Nancy dies at the end of the original script, too.

I've just been reading over it again, and I must say, it was rightfully looked over. The best elements of the script did end up on screen, but most of it is pretty awful. As much as Wes complains about Freddy becoming a comical character, it's pretty surprising to see how many corny lines Freddy/Freddie gets in Wes's original script.

[Kane Lives]

I much prefer the Nightmare 3 we ended up with. Wes and Bruce came up with a good concept of the Dream Warriors, but IMO a lot of the better ideas in the final film took shape in the rewrite.


I never really looked at it as Wes ignoring Part 3 when he brought back Nancy and Lt. Thompson in New Nightmare. He said on the commentary that Heather was being pulled back into the world of Nightmare 1. So, I just figured that was his intention, since she did run back into the original Nightmare house and not the broken down, boarded up one. The circumstances had just changed a little since Nancy now had some of the same characteristics that Heather had. She was older and she had Dylan.

Since it was an alternate reality-type film anyway, it never really bothered me. In the Nightmare Universe both of those characters are still dead.

[Rich]

Wes' nod to Dream Warriors in New Nightmare is when Dillon says, "Can you come with me in my dream?" and Heather answers, "I think that only happens in the movies."

[The Tall Man]

DM, that's the God's honest truth. Freddie's lines are godawful in Wes & Bruce's script. They may even be sub-Freddy's Nightmares quality.

Did you also notice who wrote what section of the script? You could tell what Wagner had written because it had to correct "Freddy" and you could tell what Wes had written because he either couldn't accept or didn't bother to note that his character had officially been christened "Freddy" in Part 2.

T.M.

[The Dream Master]

It's not only Freddy's lines that are awful, but a bulk a majority of the dialogue in general is just terrible, especially for the character that became Will in the final film.

Like I said, the best stuff from this script (group of kids at an asylum, Kristen bringing people into her dreams, Kincaid being a hardass who says "fuck" all the time, Jennifer's death, etc.) all ended up in the final film. I'm just glad NLC had sense enough to bring in Darabont and Russell in to do a treatment, because Dream Warriors could have been a turd, plain and simple. Wes must have been having one of his off-years when we wrote the original script.

[Dead Cell]

Dead Cell, Nancy dies at the end of the original script, too.

Hm? I could have sworn that he really resented the idea of her getting killed. Maybe it was something he hated and wrote into the original script anyway just because of everyone else pushing for it?
The original idea as I heard it was that all these "dream warrior" types were being drawn to Springwood and before they could really figure out what was going on or why they were drawn to this place, Freddy killed them. Springwood becomes known as the suicide capital of the nation and no one can figure it out.
I can't remember where I heard that- probably on the Nightmare Encyclopedia that came with the box set. It sounded kind of like an interesting idea, but I like what we wound up with better.

And yeah- Wes does have his off years. Shocker remains one of the most idiotic horror flicks I ever saw his name slapped on. IMO ;)

[The Dream Master]

That's sort of how Wes's first script went; I'm not entirely sure, but it's possible that the script I read (and linked to above) was further revised by Craven/Wagner into something that more closely resembled what you've described.

As for Shocker: I think it's mediocre, but it doesn't even come close to depths of absurdity that THHE 2 or Cursed reached. The first script of Dream Warriors isn't even that bad, but it's more along the lines of the more mediocre things Craven churned out (the aforementioned Shocker, People Under The Stairs, etc.).

[The Tall Man]

Well at least Cursed has Christina Ricci's sweet uptown rack. Shocker nor its remake (argh) can't claim that.

As for Wes' "off year"? The next year he tried to pitch to New Line for Nightmare 4: Freddy (Freddie?)... travelling through time in dreams, screwing around with past events. WTF?

I'm pretty convinced that Wes has only gotten lucky a couple of times (Nightmare 1, Serpent and the Rainbow among the lucky side) but they've been enough to propel him into "Master of Horror" status.

T.M.

[The Dream Master]

His two Nightmare films, THHE, and Last House on the Left are the best films he ever did, in my opinion (in that order). They're a cut above most horror films, but I can hardly argue that he's been consistent at all over the years.

[Kane Lives]

I remember reading about Wes' time travel idea. lol

That sounds a lot like one of the Freddy's Nightmares episodes. "The End of the World" I think it was called.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

I watched Dream Warriors yesterday. Up until yesterday, it's been a while since I have. I have to be honest, I actually think I like this one just about as much as the original. :) I found myself enjoying the fantasy elements alot more this time. Freddy was still dark like in the first 2. He had more wise cracks, but they weren't ridiculous.

[Deathscythe]

I watched Dream Warriors yesterday. Up until yesterday, it's been a while since I have. I have to be honest, I actually think I like this one just about as much as the original. :) I found myself enjoying the fantasy elements alot more this time. Freddy was still dark like in the first 2. He had more wise cracks, but they weren't ridiculous.

Yes young MaDMaNMaRz, convert to the dark side...:p

[Scarecrow]

I'm pretty convinced that Wes has only gotten lucky a couple of times (Nightmare 1, Serpent and the Rainbow among the lucky side) but they've been enough to propel him into "Master of Horror" status.

T.M.

I'm sometimes wonder if that's not the case with all supposed "Masters of Horror"...


- Scarecrow

[The Dream Master]

I'm sometimes wonder if that's not the case with all supposed "Masters of Horror"...


- Scarecrow

I can't say that about Carpenter. His run from '76-'88 was just too good to be considered a lucky fluke. Even if he had only done "Halloween," that would have been enough to make him a master in my book.

Also, I used to think Hooper was a bit overrated, but I've come to realize that he's actually made three excellent films (TCM, Eaten Alive, and Poltergeist), and there have been some good, fun films from him (TCM2, Toolbox Murders, The Mangler, The Funhouse).

With Craven, it's just so amazing that he's produced some stuff that is utter shit. He's still a "master of horror" in my book, but his resume is tainted by the likes of THHE 2 and Cursed.

[The Tall Man]

Also, I used to think Hooper was a bit overrated, but I've come to realize that he's actually made three excellent films (TCM, Eaten Alive, and Poltergeist)
Even though he was given credit, Hooper didn't direct the majority of "Poltergeist"; Speilburg did. An associate of mine told me he was in Spielburg's office when he fired Hooper. I don't know why they (Spielburg and Hooper) tiptoe around this shit; best to just come out with it and let the fans know the score.

and there have been some good, fun films from him (TCM2, Toolbox Murders, The Mangler, The Funhouse).
Honestly, you know what my favorite Hooper film is? "Lifeforce". You heard me.

He's still a "master of horror" in my book, but his resume is tainted by the likes of THHE 2 and Cursed.
Ya know, I don't understand the hate for "Cursed". "Cursed" is nowhere near as bad as other Craven clunkers like "Shocker" or "Swamp Thing"... or "Scream 3".

Sidebar-- I can forgive "The Hills Have Eyes Part II '85". Craven revealed in Fango that they ran out of money during shooting and weren't finished with the film. The producers stopped shooting and said they could come back to it and Craven was fine with this because the same thing went down on "Hills 1". The problem is, the producers reniged on their word and just released the film as was. Yikes!

T.M.

[The Dream Master]

Lifeforce isn't a bad little film either; also, I've always heard about the Hooper/Speilberg thing, but I never knew the extent to which Spielberg got involved.

Also, I wasn't aware of all the shit going on behind the scenes with THHE 2. Even though that happened, I still say it was shit. I mean, if Craven would have had the chance to come back to it, what the fuck could he have done to salvage it? :lol:

[The Tall Man]

The same way Danny Steinmann tried... Boobs!

:D

T.M.

[The Dream Master]

Well, given Debisue's rack ranks #1 among the Friday ladies, I'd say Steinmann succeeded there.

[Deathscythe]

I think Pam was the only feamale who didn't show her breasts in that movie.

*Girl looks in mirror, flashes boob for no reason* <- Always cracks me up.

[The Tall Man]

Death, do you not count her boob extremely visible through her wet dress shirt? It's Jacquiline Bisette The Deep psuedo-nudity.

T.M.

[Deathscythe]

Yeah I didn't count it. I was so jealous of Reggie whe he hugged her.

[Deathscythe]

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/061026/162828__arquette_l.jpg

That looks uh....very weird...

[Kane Lives]

She doesn't seem to be complaining. lol :p

[MaDMaNMaRz]

LOL

The Freddy penis worm scene was great, haha.

[NETRA]

The Freddy penis worm scene was great, haha.

Hm. I never thought about the phallic nature of that scene!

I've always heard about the Hooper/Spielberg thing, but I never knew the extent to which Spielberg got involved.

As TM said, neither director says much about it. But I did read a book in which Spielberg told an interviewer something like, "I thought I could step aside and let another director tell the story but I was wrong." There's also behind the scenes footage (often shown on Turner Classic Movies) and several still photos taken from the set where we see Spielberg preparing shots while Hooper stands off to the side watching.

What's odd to me is how many horror fans (including Joe Bob Briggs) get mad about this and assume the movie would be "bloodier" if Hooper had directed all of it. But that's not necessarily true. Poltergeist wasn't a slasher story. And besides, throughout his career, Spielberg has actually given us plenty of blood and guts. Heck, I saw more blood in Raiders of the Lost Ark (melting Nazis, exploding head, gun shot to the face) than in TCM.

[Scarecrow]

How could you NOT see how phallic that 'worm' is?!?!

- Scarecrow

[The Tall Man]

Perhaps not everybody has cock on the brain? Besides New Line's official position is, after all, "Freddy Snake".

T.M.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

I actually wasn't the first to mention it looks like a penis. I think somebody else here mentioned it first. Then the last time I watched it, I saw the similiarities, haha. :lol:

[The Dream Master]

Hm. I never thought about the phallic nature of that scene!



As TM said, neither director says much about it. But I did read a book in which Spielberg told an interviewer something like, "I thought I could step aside and let another director tell the story but I was wrong." There's also behind the scenes footage (often shown on Turner Classic Movies) and several still photos taken from the set where we see Spielberg preparing shots while Hooper stands off to the side watching.



I've been reading up on this, and I'm thinking that a lot of the coyness surrounding the situation comes from the fact that Spielberg was under an exclusive contract with Universal at the time. I'm not sure if any of that matters now, but I'm guessing that would have been a severe breach of contract back in the day if it were discovered he were the true director of Poltergeist.

And, for what it's worth, I never thought the Freddy-snake was particularly phallic, either. Same with all that birth canal imagery or whatever the fuck Talalay was blabbering about on the Nightmare extras disc.

[Deathscythe]

I always thought it looked like a penis, guess I'm weird like that.

[NETRA]

How could you NOT see how phallic that 'worm' is?!?!

LOL. It's rare that someone's asked a question like that! I guess it's not strange that guys are usually the first to notice phallic imagery. Or is it?

I'm thinking that a lot of the coyness surrounding the situation comes from the fact that Spielberg was under an exclusive contract with Universal at the time

That's a smart analysis! You're probably right. And I enjoyed the use of "coyness."

Same with all that birth canal imagery or whatever the fuck Talalay was blabbering about on the Nightmare extras disc.

I haven't viewed the extras disc yet. Is this something to do with Freddy's Dead, the one Talalay directed?

[The Dream Master]

I can't remember, but I think it had more to do with Dream Child, which is the one Elm Street film Talalay had nothing to do with (besides New Nightmare I think). I haven't watched the extras disc in years, so I really can't recall.

[The Tall Man]

The "vaginal canal" appears in Nightmare 5 in a fleshy color (Mark is nearly sucked into it) and in FD in a grey cavernous color (Spencer falls into it when Freddy kills him).

Honestly, I have no idea what Talalay was talking about when she went into that.

T.M.

[The Tall Man]

I have a question for you folks:

When Freddy bitches up Saxon and Wasson as a skeleton... what are those noises he's making? Is he hissing at them (which I'd always assumed) or is he trying to laugh and it's just not coming out right?

T.M.

[El Rooto]

I thought it was him trying to laugh.

[Deathscythe]

I think he was laughing, doesn't he do a victory dance after he beats them?

[Kane Lives]

I always thought everything prior to his celebration at the end was hissing. Although, when he first popped out of the bag it sounded more like a roar.

[nottidelterrore]

He was probably trying to laugh at them. I'll look for this when I watch it next.

This is probably the best of the Nightmare sequels...although I really do love Freddy's Revenge quite a bit too! At times, this is my favourite in the series.

[Dead Cell]

I never really thought about it, but when Nancy, Kincaid and Kristen enter the boiler room to save Joey and Freddy walks into the frame... he's carrying that doll and just lobs it over onto a pile of tricycles and junk. Thinking about it, that really is just an odd kind of image; Freddy with a doll. I wonder who thought that up. I wonder who said, "You know what would rock? Freddy holding a doll." It's right there but since they don't put any emphasis on it AT ALL it's almost subtle. Like, yeah, he's carrying a doll, but who's even looking at that? What's he doing with that thing? Did he take time out to go play with the jump-rope kids for a second inbetween kills? What's up?

[The Tall Man]

It's a "prize" he took from one of his victims when he was alive... like Tina's crucifix or Glen's headphones in Nightmare 1. He's fucking with Nancy some more.

T.M.

[Scarecrow]

Might have been interesing had the series perhaps kept the element of Freddy keeping trophies as something more prominant, more real life serial killer-y.


- Scarecrow

[Rich]

He does keep trophies. He kept their souls, at least starting with Part 3.

[Speck]

The opening to this film is one of the best (besides part 1). I love the opening music. The creepy sounding organ, the quote from Edgar Allan Poe, and the paper mache house was great. The cinemetography is phenomenal with the outdoor sunset scenes. A lot of effort was put into this sequel, thus making it one of my favorites.

[Ron]

I think that this was a great sequel and probably the greatest sequel of the series.

[Rich]

I have a question for you folks:

When Freddy bitches up Saxon and Wasson as a skeleton... what are those noises he's making? Is he hissing at them (which I'd always assumed) or is he trying to laugh and it's just not coming out right?

T.M.

That was definitely a hiss. Freddy probably remember all of the trouble Donald caused him (from being one of the parents who burned him) and had a vengeful attitude toward him.

[Scarecrow]

I love the whole skeletal battle sequence, veyr cool, very jason and the Argonauts :p WHich is also one of the best films ever. :D


- Scarecrow

[The Tall Man]

I've gots a question for you all:

If Marge took Freddy Krueger's glove and had it in her furnace in Nightmare 1... what the fuck is Freddy Skeleton doing with the glove in Nightmare 3??

T.M.

[The Dream Master]

Well, we know from Nightmare 6 that Freddy had a shit-load of gloves, so I guess they buried him with one, and Marge took one.

So the better question is this: why the fuck did Marge feel the need to take a souvenir?

[The Tall Man]

But DM, he only had ONE of the classic glove. The others were all excrutiating varients.

And I couldn't never figure that part out either, though I don't think it's the better question. ;)

T.M.

[Scarecrow]

Maybe after Part 1 and his wifes death, Saxon took the glove and stashed it with the remains? Although if I recall does he say anythign about not going back there in ages? Although it would have been 5 years. COuld this fit?


- Scarecrow

[Utellme]

Can someone answer this i the NOES box set and i threw in Part 3 and was looking to play the Dokken Dream Warriors music video and i could not find it ? I thought it was on the part 3 disc ?
or is it only on the encylopedia disc ?

[Kane Lives]

It's only on the Nightmare Series Encyclopedia disc.

[Jigsaw]

If DW ever gets a seperate SE DVD for itself, the DW music video should definitely be on there.

[Esten]

With a Don Dokken commentary, of course: "Oh man, I had so much coke that day!"

[Kane Lives]

IMO, Dream Warriors should have long ago had some kind of SE. A release with a commentary at the very least.

[The Dream Master]

The whole damn series needs a re-issue, in my opinion. I want the original theatrical version of Freddy's Dead already. The box set is nearly ten years old--it's time for NLC to revisit the series.

[Esten]

And hopefully a "The Genesis of the Barking Pig" featurette, so Russell would shut the hell up about it during the actual movie. He talked about it for 5 minutes during the Bless The Child commentary, and he gave no indication as to what film he was pertaining, so non-fans would be clueless.
ADDED:
The whole damn series needs a re-issue, in my opinion. I want the original theatrical version of Freddy's Dead already. The box set is nearly ten years old--it's time for NLC to revisit the series.

Yeah, and I know for a fact there's over 10 MORE hours of extras that could go in a new box. ;)

[Kane Lives]

I'd love Special Editions for all the films frankly, but I doubt it would ever happen. So, I just hope for one of my favorite Sequel. lol

[The Dream Master]

Well, Freddy is NLC's baby; well, at least he was. With the new regime, who knows? I don't think it's too far-fetched to expect each film to eventually get a new release.

[Jigsaw]

I too hope the entire NOES series gets new DVD releases and is treated to an Alien Quadrilogy-esque boxed set that's loaded with a lot more special features and extended cuts. There's a bunch of supplemental material that has yet to surface on DVD, like the Making-Of for TDM.

[Esten]

Hell, I'd go digging in the vaults for nothing. If it's new stuff, I'd recognize it in a heartbeat.

New Line can trust me. What am I gonna do..... steal the Town And Country negatives?

That was mean.

[The Dream Master]

:lol:

By New Line's vaults, you really mean Englund's trunk, right?

[Esten]

Yes, that's what he calls his trunk - "The Vault".

[Chex]

New Line can trust me. What am I gonna do..... steal the Town And Country negatives?

So many Friday the 13th fans held such a passion of rage against that film. :(

[Deathscythe]

I don't even own the NoES boxset yet. I would really hate to buy it and than for New Line to announce a new set lol.

[Kane Lives]

For a while I was grateful for the box set we got. But now, I look back on it and see how lacking it was in terms of extras.

I would have just preferred commentary tracks for all the films and whatever deleted scenes they had for the films as opposed to that Labyrinth feature on the Encyclopedia, which got old fast IMO.

[The Dream Master]

Yeah, back in 1999, the box set was top of the line. However, I would argue that each film is in need of a new transfer (they still look great, but you know they could look even better now). I'd also like it if all the Labyrinth extras would make it onto a disc to be easily accessed, too, in any future re-releases.

[Esten]

And the Labyrinth takes up over half the damn disc space! They could've used that for more extras.

[Deathscythe]

Perhaps New Line will make a Blu-ray set.

[The Dream Master]

I wouldn't be surprised to see the first film get a Blu-ray release soon. The new transfer was struck from an HD master, so the possibility is there. I'm not sure the existing 2-7 discs use an HD transfer, but I know they're out there. I've personally watched Dream Warriors on HDNet, and I'm pretty sure FD was on Cinemax HD at some point.

[Esten]

Sure FD wasn't an upconvert?

[The Dream Master]

I have no clue. I'm pretty sure it was on Cinemax HD, and I don't know if HD channels just show upconverted stuff. I didn't see it, so I can't comment on the quality. Dream Warriors looked pretty damn good on HD Net, though.

[Esten]

We first need Clu in HD, then life is complete.

[Deathscythe]

Has New Line actually released anything on Bluray? All I've heard is they were releasing Hairspray and thats pretty much it.

[The Dream Master]

They've released Pan's Labyrinth and Shoot 'Em Up as well. I wouldn't doubt to see some HD Freddy by the end of this year. New Line knows where it's at.

And I, too, want some Clu in HD. On top of that, I want a 10 minute retrospective documentary on the origin of the infamous Cheap Seed line.

[Utellme]

So you mean im not the only person the whole encylopedia disc upsets ?

[The Dream Master]

Nah, people have been pretty irritated with it for awhile, I think. I think it was clever for its time, and, to be fair, it's fairly unique. Ultimately, though, it's more of a hassle than anything.

[Esten]

Having to go through the damn thing for some of the extras is quite irritating. Once was fun. The 154th time is like that chick that keeps yapping to you about something you have no interest in. You don't care what she has to say, you just want in her pants.

I feel funny today. :-X

[DRE]

I'm pissed at the wealth of material they left off. Deleted scenes and alternate takes from all of the films, TV spots, the making of specials, the New Nightmare teaser trailer (Best damn teaser ever!) and worst of all...No Renny Harlin talking about exploding explosions!

[Gringo Loco]

Just to put my 2 cents into this. I have owned the box set in the past, and I own the Infinifilm of part 1, but if New Line put out part 1 or a box set on Blu-ray in 2008, I would pick them up in a heartbeat.

[Jigsaw]

I still have to get the Infinifilm DVD of NOES1. At some point I'll probably cave into the Blu-Ray craze and get a BR player with an HDTV, too, if the prices drop a good deal.

[Scarecrow]

I wish the UK version had the bonus disc. :(


- Scarecrow

[Jigsaw]

Are you able to import it, Scarecrow?

[The Dream Master]

Just to put my 2 cents into this. I have owned the box set in the past, and I own the Infinifilm of part 1, but if New Line put out part 1 or a box set on Blu-ray in 2008, I would pick them up in a heartbeat.

Word. I'd plunk down a sizeable chunk of change for the entire set for sure.

[Deathscythe]

Well thats dedication.

...unless of course, your really some viral marketer to New Line.:D

[The Dream Master]

My love for the Fred-man runs mad deep, yo.

[Deathscythe]

Can you believe there are people that don't love Freddy? Strage world we live in.

[Scarecrow]

Are you able to import it, Scarecrow?

I have the films and that's generally alright with me, money's tight and so re-buying the NOES films isn't a propority. Maybe one day. ;) Just wish we'd got the ame set to begin with but of course when I got the set it was just 1-5 as the others had a different distributor.

I got an early edition where the inner box art had New Nightmare's menu screen depiocted despit eit not being part of the set! Later editions just had a blank grey colour. It then got re-released couple of years later with Freddy's Dead and THEN a year later with New Nightmare as well, as the company got the rights to them. But still no bonus disc after all that.


- Scarecrow

[Jigsaw]

While the disc is kind of underwhelming by today's standards, it has some pretty good features on it and is well worth having if you can find it.

[Kane Lives]

I'd plunk down a sizeable chunk of change for the entire set for sure.


Me too. NOES is probably my favorite Horror franchise overall, so if New Line puts out Special Editions as a set or even individually, I'd have no problems double dipping.

[Jigsaw]

Me too. NOES is probably my favorite Horror franchise overall, so if New Line puts out Special Editions as a set or even individually, I'd have no problems double dipping.


I second that.

[Scarecrow]

Me too. NOES is probably my favorite Horror franchise overall, so if New Line puts out Special Editions as a set or even individually, I'd have no problems double dipping.

That's pretty much what it comes down to though, isn't it... I've lost track of how many copies of each Hellraiser film I have, not to mention bootlegs alternative cuts.


- Scarecrow

[Ron]

I think I like the continuity of the ANOES franchise a lot better to that of F13th's.

[Deathscythe]

and the Halloween series as well, althrough I feel the Halloween series has underrated continuity at times.

[Ron]

It all depends on which Halloween continuity you choose to follow. But I agree that the continuity is very underrated.

[Utellme]

Nah, people have been pretty irritated with it for awhile, I think. I think it was clever for its time, and, to be fair, it's fairly unique. Ultimately, though, it's more of a hassle than anything.
After 25 minutes of cursing and ready to throw or break something. I found the easy way to the Dokken Dream Warriors video go to index go to NOES 3 hit the arrow at the top and go to the 2nd page and there the video is and the Title 02/11 --Chapter 67/24.

The walk through says Dokken Dream Warriors 01:458 never did find this and probably never will without breaking things from being fustrated.


Now i wish i could just watch Vinnie Vincents Love Kills music video its not on box set. Is it on NOES 4 single DVD release ? If not any suggestions to where to get it besides you tube ?

[The Tall Man]

Utellme, you can buy it [with much more] from S-10. ;)

T.M.

[Esten]

The Dream Warriors video is in the room with the record player.
ADDED:
Utellme, you can buy it [with much more] from S-10. ;)

T.M.

I know nothing of these bootlegs you speak of.

:-X

[Deathscythe]

The one annoying thing of the music video is that we have to listen to Patricia Arquette's screams. Bleh.

[Scarecrow]

After 25 minutes of cursing and ready to throw or break something. I found the easy way to the Dokken Dream Warriors video go to index go to NOES 3 hit the arrow at the top and go to the 2nd page and there the video is and the Title 02/11 --Chapter 67/24.

The walk through says Dokken Dream Warriors 01:458 never did find this and probably never will without breaking things from being fustrated.


Now i wish i could just watch Vinnie Vincents Love Kills music video its not on box set. Is it on NOES 4 single DVD release ? If not any suggestions to where to get it besides you tube ?



At least my region 2 has the video just as a normal extra... that sounds far to complicated. :p

- Scarecrow

[Cody]

A new audio interview (http://www.dreadcentral.com/node/25980) with Ken "Kincaid" Sagoes.

[Deathscythe]

I thought the interview was pretty boring. :/

[Utellme]

I don't know if it's my eyes but when i watch part 3 the picture quality don't look near as good as part 4 does ? Am i wrong or was it shot differently ? Seeing how the first 2 movies did so well i would think they had enough money to shoot part 3 in a higher quality ?

[The Tall Man]

Utellme, firstly... the money a movie makes has NOTHING to do with its quality or even if it's a good movie or not. Great movies do poorly and poorly movies will do great. It's just a luck of the draw.

Secondly, Nightmare 3 was made INSANELY cheap and fast. It was shot in December and early January of '86/'87 and released late February of '87. Nightmare 4 meanwhile was made by a director who valued style over substance, so it was gonna look better than the previous movies.

T.M.

[Utellme]

I was not saying money made a movie any better etc,

I just figured that after 2 movies that made alot of money wether they were good or not they made big money.I just thought they would of made 3 look a little better not that its hoorible.

Anyway thanks TM

[Scarecrow]

Part 4's biggest strength is the visuals. It's probably the "best of the rest" if we assume 1,3, NN and vsJ are the best entries. It looks gorgeous even if it is just set peicies strung together.


- Scarecrow

[Deathscythe]

I don't think many here hold FvJ is high regard actually.

[The Tall Man]

Anybody got any idea why the fuck Joey has teardrop tattoos when we first meet him... which then proceed to disappear during the rest of the film.

T.M.

[Ron]

I never noticed that until now! I'll have to rewatch it.

[Rich]

You know what, though it had almost no kills I actually like Part 5 a lot more then Part 4. Part 5 was darker and more sinister (and had awesome gothic architecture and visuals) and had a way better story. I just think it is a hell of a lot more disturbing for Freddy to be going after a fetus then for some blonde bimbo to take a picture off of a mirror every time her friends die. Part 4 basically had no story and no real reason to exist.

[Esten]

4 may have no story, but 5's story is convoluted as piss.

[Ron]

Dreamchild was an absolute borefest to me and is the most unbearable for me to watch from the series.

[Spade]

I completely agree, Dream Child was poorly written and boring.

[Scarecrow]

You know what, though it had almost no kills I actually like Part 5 a lot more then Part 4. Part 5 was darker and more sinister (and had awesome gothic architecture and visuals) and had a way better story. I just think it is a hell of a lot more disturbing for Freddy to be going after a fetus then for some blonde bimbo to take a picture off of a mirror every time her friends die. Part 4 basically had no story and no real reason to exist.


Indeed, and you make Part 5 sound great. And it COULD have been

Sadly, IMO, all of this is killed stone dead but an awful interpretation of Freddy that grinds up against the tone of the film and destroys what could be a dark, horrific movie. He barely gets the plot out through his dozen one-liners per kill, and the make-up effects are also so over the top as to push the whole thing, when combinwed with Freddy, into some bizarre pantomime that isn't scary. The plot is lost under it all, and the dark lighting and sets effect are lost IMO.

Part 4 at leats gels. It has a gorgeous style and look that gels with the comedic Freddy presented. It works. But for me Part 5 is a horrible clash and is ruined by the comedy Freddy when the film demanded a more sadistic, "serious" turn ala Part 3.


- Scarecrow

[Rich]

of this is killed stone dead but an awful interpretation of Freddy that grinds up against the tone of the film and destroys what could be a dark, horrific movie

Freddy went both ways in this movie. He had his funny stuff like the skateboard (but the comic character's kill was awesome with Freddy slicing and dicing and laughing madly) and Dan's death, but it also had really dark moments with him such as the scene where he disappears into the smoke and says, "We'll see bitch...we'll just see," and the "any family resempbance" part as well. Not to mention the part where it shows Amanda getting attacked and Freddy getting pissed off and chasing Alice through the dark coridors after she said, "Amanda!" I don't think the plot was lost at all. It flowed rather smoothly. Sure it was not the best Nightmare, but I sure as hell think it is the best of the worst.

[The Tall Man]

Man, last night we watched Nightmare 5, and we were falling asleep by the time "ROBERT ENGLUND in" appeared onscreen.

I don't think "comedic Freddy" ruined Nightmare 5's story. I think it's the other way around: Nightmare 5's blaze story ruined some fun Freddy bits.

It's like DM said the tagline for the poster SHOULD have been: "LOOK AT THESE MOROSE MOTHERFUCKERS"

T.M.

[The Dream Master]

Man, last night we watched Nightmare 5, and we were falling asleep by the time "ROBERT ENGLUND in" appeared onscreen.

I don't think "comedic Freddy" ruined Nightmare 5's story. I think it's the other way around: Nightmare 5's blaze story ruined some fun Freddy bits.

It's like DM said the tagline for the poster SHOULD have been: "LOOK AT THESE MOROSE MOTHERFUCKERS"

T.M.

SAD PEOPLE.

Also, it was fun to count how many times weird shit was going down with Freddy's arms.

[Deathscythe]

How did a Part 4 vs. Part 5 arguement start in the Part 3 thread?:confused:

[Jason_Legend]

I like it, but it has some cheesiness, that keeps it from becoming truly great. 4,5,6 took the cheese and ran off with it.

[The Tall Man]

Psh. I'd wager a bet whatever you're calling "cheese" is exactly what makes Nightmare 3 great.

T.M.

[Jason_Legend]

Freddy's one-liners and the characters having dream powers. I just find that stuff cheesy.

[The Tall Man]

Like I said...

Freddy's one-liners
Super greatness.

and the characters having dream powers.
Greatness.

Now repent before Kincaid bends your legs where you can't bend them back! :lol:

T.M.

[Scarecrow]

Dream Warriors really excels for me. It's one of those rare horrors, up there with Hellbound: Hellraiser II and, actually, most of the Phantasm films that really welcome a healthy dose of fantasy. They work on the level of having an epic mythology and rather than a standard killer/victims, feel like the heroes have a fighting chance, there's a laired plot and the construction of a fantastic world. Dream Warriors really stands out in the NOES series for me and I can't help but think the series may have been stronger if they'd expored the notions more in sequels rather than killing off the "team" and going back to a more traditional slasher format.


- Scarecrow

[Wolfgang]

Definitely the best after the original.

[Esten]

If any of you fellas were still wondering what the song was on the radio on the original VHS/Beta/LaserDsic release, then it's "Quiet Cool" by Jay Ferguson from the wicked awesome 1986 New Line movie "Quiet Cool".

Here yas go: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YWOIPSTI

[The Dream Master]

It's also a little known fact that Robert Shaye was denied the Oscar for "Best Actor" in 1986 for his cameo in Quiet Cool because he refused to share his Smirnoff with the academy.

[Esten]

http://hometown.aol.com/Mdurbantke/QUIETSHAYE.jpg

Shaye really got into the role, as you can see. Robbed of the golden statue, I agree.

I just spoke in rhyme. @_@ kjdfgvbkj.dfbv

[Deathscythe]

Just goes to show the oscars are just politics, Shaye ftw.

[nottidelterrore]

I thought Shaye's role as the bartender in the S&M bar in Freddy's Revenge was pretty amazing. It brought tears to my eyes with his brilliant acting. Probably the best I've ever seen.

[Brett H.]

Shaye's best performance was when he played MC Hammer in the 4 hour biopic, Please Don't Hurt 'Em.

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/1793/shayehammer2no8.gif

[Deathscythe]

Can't touch Shaye!

[Scarecrow]

Has anyone ever mentioned how scary you guys are? :p


- Scarecrow

[nottidelterrore]

Shaye's best performance was when he played MC Hammer in the 4 hour biopic, Please Don't Hurt 'Em.

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/1793/shayehammer2no8.gif

Wasn't that the prequel to 2 LeShaye 2 Quit?

[Utellme]

I thought Shaye's role as the bartender in the S&M bar in Freddy's Revenge was pretty amazing. It brought tears to my eyes with his brilliant acting. Probably the best I've ever seen.
I never notice he was a bar tender.

[Deathscythe]

INTO THE FIRE! I'M FALLING! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jokWFU_kbOk&feature=related)

I came across that today on the net, just had to post it [again].

[kiss_armyman1]

In my rankings Dream Warriors will ALWAYS be the best sequel, I don't think I'll prefer any sequel over it, ever.


It was one of my favorites, when it comes to NOES sequels. I wanted Joey's dream nurse damn!!!!!!!

[Rich]

kissarmyman has finally found our new home. Welcome. As far as Dream Warriors, it is definitaly one of the greatest slasher movie sequels ever. I think as far as the Nightmare films go it is the second best sequel. Wes Craven's New Nightmare is the best sequel to me. The best thing about Nightmare 3 is how they furthered Freddy's story and abilities taking the story to the next level. The nun (Freddy's mother) was creepy.

[The 5th Golden Girl]

My favorite part...

[in Jennifer's dream, Jennifer is watching Zsa Zsa Gabor being interviewed with Dick Cavett]
Dick Cavett: Can I ask you a question?
Zsa Zsa Gabor: Why certainly.
Dick Cavett: Who gives a
[Dick Cavett turns into Freddy Krueger]
Freddy: FUCK what you think?!
[slashes at Gabor while she screams]

That... cracks me up so much every time I watch the movie. People love the TV kill, and I do, too, but that bit of banter right before it happens just kills me.

[CanadianFonzie]

I SAID WHERE'S THE FUCKIN' BOURBON!

that is my favourite part :) lol

[Scarecrow]

My favorite part...

[in Jennifer's dream, Jennifer is watching Zsa Zsa Gabor being interviewed with Dick Cavett]
Dick Cavett: Can I ask you a question?
Zsa Zsa Gabor: Why certainly.
Dick Cavett: Who gives a
[Dick Cavett turns into Freddy Krueger]
Freddy: FUCK what you think?!
[slashes at Gabor while she screams]

That... cracks me up so much every time I watch the movie. People love the TV kill, and I do, too, but that bit of banter right before it happens just kills me.


Preach it like it is!

- Scarecrow

[Fright Nighter]

This is my favorite NOES sequel. I think it took Freddy and the nightmares to a whole new level.

[nottidelterrore]

Dr. Elizabeth Simms: I'm not going to take any more of this. How much longer are you going to go on blaming your dreams for your own weaknesses?
Roland Kincaid: Lady, how much longer you gonna keep blowin' smoke up our ass?
Dr. Neil Gordon: That's enough, Kincaid!
Simms: There will be no repeat occurrences of last night's events. From now on your doors will be locked during sleeping hours. We'll start a policy of evening sedation for everybody.
Kincaid: [Jumping out of his seat] The fuck you will! Anybody tries drugs on me gets his ass kicked!
Simms: Well, you just bought yourself a night in the quiet room, Mister. Now sit down!
Kincaid: Fuck you! You sit down!

I bolded everything amazing that was said.

Hahaha the next time someone tells me to sit down I'm going to retort with "Fuck you! You sit down!"

[Ron]

Even though Kincaid was so gruff there was still something irresistably likable about him.

[Hypnocil]

Dr. Simms really never could grasp what was so plainly obvious, could she?

The fact that all those kids were having the exact same nightmares, as were plenty of others that "committed suicide", for her to say their dreams were merely "a by-product of guilt. Psychological scars, stemming from moral conflicts and overt sexuality." When none of those kids acted like they were dangerous or crazy.

She's kind of the Ken Walsh of Nightmare 3. :X

[The Tall Man]

Kincaid: [Jumping out of his seat] Fuck you, Will! Anybody tries drugs on me gets his ass kicked!
Yeah, I don't know what it was he did, but fuck you, Will.

Dr. Simms really never could grasp what was so plainly obvious, could she?
Isn't it semi-possible she's the beginning of the conspiracy to cover Freddy up?

T.M.

[nottidelterrore]

Dr. Simms is an asshole. Ken Walsh should've given her a good goddamn kick in the butt or used a goddamn cherry bomb on her.

I agree about Kincaid being likeable. I think he & I would've kicked it back in the day.

[Rich]

I don't think Simms was much of an asshole. I think she was just unwilling to believe that all of her patients' dreams were haunted by a dream demon. I mean, lets face it, if you were a doctor and a group of kids tried to get you to believe that there is a ghost/demon haunting your dreams, would YOU believe them (especially knowing that they are all MENTAL PATIENTS)? Of course not. She was basically the character of reality unwilling to accept any bs. One would think that any rational thinking human being can easily see where a character like that is coming from. It is just too bad that in horror film land, the more like bs is sounds, the more likely it is happening, but that is why they call it irony (the audience always knows more then the on screen characters).

[Hypnocil]

"How much longer are you going to continue blaming your dreams for your own weaknesses?"

I don't know, Rich. I agree Dr. Simms is supposed to be the "down-to-Earth realist", but to me her evaluations were just completely wrong, even looking at it from an outside perspective. Let's look at a scene from Nightmare 3.


PHILLIP
Can I interject something here? Just
to save us all some time?

NEIL
Go ahead, Phillip.

PHILLIP
(to Nancy)
According to our kind hosts, our dreams
are a group psychosis. Sort of a mellow
mass hysteria. The fact that we all
dreamt about this guy before we ever
met doesn't seem to impress anybody.

The kids murmur in agreement.

PHILLIP (cont.)
So we go in circles making minimal
progress with maximum effort.

SIMMS
And you won't make any progress until
you can recognize your dreams for what
they are.

NANCY
And what are they?

SIMMS
The by-product of guilt. Psychological
scars stemming from moral conflicts and
overt sexuality.

Now how does Simms make that leap? If I were told a group of unrelated kids were all having terrifying nightmares about the same person, at the very least I would assume they were all witnesses to this man, perhaps as children. I wouldn't call the kids crazy then throw this "fact" in their faces. And the kids weren't crazy. Dr. Gordon told Nancy, "None of this makes any sense!" because it didn't make sense. None of those kids were suicidal, nor did they show classic signs of depression. They were all terrified of falling asleep, but unlike Nightmare 1 and 2 where the focus was on one child that the parents thought might be crazy, this was an entire GROUP that was experiencing the exact same phenomena. I'm not saying Simms needed to believe in ghosts and the paranormal, but it seemed like she wasn't even listening to the kids.

Added: I always wondered what Dr. Simms thought when she found out Kristen, Joey and Kincaid all died within two days of each other.

[nottidelterrore]

I always wondered what Dr. Simms thought when she found out Kristen, Joey and Kincaid all died within two days of each other.

She probably thought "Boy am I an asshole."

[The Dream Master]

She probably thought that BAMF's dick decided to get angry and go on a killing spree. Believe me, she was pretty familiar with it, so she'd know :X