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hack slash
07-18-2007, 03:17 PM
http://www.comingsoon.net/gallery/20296/John_Rambo_1.jpg
http://www.comingsoon.net/gallery/20296/John_Rambo_2.jpg
sammysausage76
07-19-2007, 12:59 AM
This movie looks absolutley amazing... I mean the trailer alone has more violence and action than many movies coming out these days.
Gringo Loco
07-20-2007, 04:39 AM
http://www.comingsoon.net/gallery/20296/John_Rambo_1.jpg
http://www.comingsoon.net/gallery/20296/John_Rambo_2.jpg
Page not found, doh!
Here's a shot of Rambo fighting a snake! He's gonna kick much ass in this film (and snake ass too :D)
http://i13.tinypic.com/4m7ygs7.jpg
And here's the trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgKaAeGfOyA
CanadianFonzie
07-20-2007, 03:02 PM
I find it stupid when they release boxsets of movies when another sequel is on it's way, I almost bought the Rambo boxset, than I remembered that it was pointless because once this movie comes out I wouldn't have all of the Rambo's
the first Rambo movie is definetally my favourite, probably my second favourite Stallone movie, my first being Lock Up, so I look forward to seeing this, but probably when it comes on dvd
The Dream Master
07-20-2007, 07:52 PM
To be fair, the Rambo box set came out years ago, back when Rambo IV was just a glimmer in Sly's eye.
The Tall Man
07-20-2007, 08:49 PM
Dream Master, er which one... there are three-- count 'em THREE-- seperate Rambo box sets, each one with different extras. I think the first set came in... 1997?
T.M.
The Dream Master
07-20-2007, 08:55 PM
I think the last one was still released a few years ago, though. 2004, I think. "John Rambo" wasn't official until "Rocky Balboa" was a hit, so I find it hard to be mad that there's a box set out even though there's a new movie coming. Still, if I didn't already have the first three films, I wouldn't buy them at all until "John Rambo" is released because you know there's going to probably be yet another box set.
The Tall Man
07-20-2007, 10:40 PM
DM, that's exactly why I didn't buy the December Rocky box set.
T.M.
CanadianFonzie
07-21-2007, 02:59 AM
I never figured te box set came out years ago...stupid me, but still they should stop selling it then, lol
The Dream Master
07-21-2007, 03:00 AM
It'll probably be discontinued just in time for a new one to come out. ;)
CanadianFonzie
07-21-2007, 03:03 AM
well I hope, I actually almost bought it, that would have been a waste of money, luckily I found the Lethal Weapon set...it was once I got home that I realized the life saving decision I made, lol
Zombie
07-21-2007, 07:52 PM
The trialer thats out on youtube looks fuckin SICK! I hope they don't cut alot of that violence out. At least Sly didn't listen to his buddy Willis and toned down Rambo just to make more money! This will be the most brutal, violent Rambo of them all!
Gringo Loco
07-21-2007, 08:13 PM
I agree. It looks frickin awesome. I only saw part of this trailer, but I was wondering. Does it have the decapitation scene in it? My nephew showed me a trailer on youtube that had that scene in it.
Zombie
07-22-2007, 03:41 AM
Yeah, it also showed him grabbing a guy's throat and you see his fingers digging in while ripping it out, also when he shoots a 50 on one of the jeeps into a guy and he just gets ripped up by it.
hack slash
09-08-2007, 12:40 AM
More BLOODY, GOOEY, RAMBOIE GOODNESS
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/33949
ChoKo
09-08-2007, 01:49 AM
More BLOODY, GOOEY, RAMBOIE GOODNESS
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/33949
Fucking sweet. I can't wait for this.
Zombie
09-08-2007, 03:07 AM
I'm just glad he's not going the "suits" ways and taming down the movie so "teens" can get in legally. I still like the first trailer but this is good to. At least there will be Violence and he's not afraid of it like his pal Bruce Willis..
I hope this makes more the DH4 just to show Willis he made a very big mistake putting together a tamed ACTION movie.
I'm just glad he's not going the "suits" ways and taming down the movie so "teens" can get in legally. I still like the first trailer but this is good to. At least there will be Violence and he's not afraid of it like his pal Bruce Willis..
I hope this makes more the DH4 just to show Willis he made a very big mistake putting together a tamed ACTION movie.
It's not like Willis had a choice in what the director of the movie did. He just starred in it. Stallone has all the freedom he wants though, being the star/writer/director.
El Rooto
09-08-2007, 03:20 AM
It's not fucking Bruce Willis' fault that LFODH was PG-13. You needn't pretend it is.
I like the second trailer. It still shows how mucky-yucky the film is going to be, but doesn't drag on for ages(and spoil all the red bits), like the other one seemed to.
Man, the new trailer is even nastier. I mean you see 2 men both get shot through them & it very bloody, I think I see someone lost an arm or leg getting it chopped off, etc. MPAA is going to have a field day with this one. :p
Stallone's pushing sixty now, right? The picture of him with the snake... just about as intimidating and awe-inspiring as watching my grandparents fuck.
The man needs to not make movies in which people are to believe he's capable of taking on an army, or beating a man senseless in a boxing ring. Iconic or not, there's a line and Stallone's crossed it several times over.
hack slash
09-08-2007, 09:52 PM
I thought he was very beleivable in Rocky Balboa they even threw in Mason hurting his hand therefore giving Rocky a legitamate shot at winning
Shoesalesman
09-08-2007, 10:16 PM
I'll go see this new Rambo movie. I bought the box set and watched them back to back.
Fuckin' awsome movies. Don't see why the potential one in 2008 would be any different.
Autobotsdie
09-09-2007, 12:46 AM
It figures that they would do something like this esecially after Balboa. Whats next after that?
The Tall Man
09-09-2007, 03:44 AM
Merf, Sly's 61 this year and he can still kick your, mine, and everyone else's asses here. Your statement about what "Stallone needs to do" means if you saw "Rocky Balboa", its message obviously fell on deaf ears.
T.M.
ChoKo
09-09-2007, 05:43 AM
It figures that they would do something like this esecially after Balboa. Whats next after that?
Marion Cobretti.
I'm looking forward to John Rambo and will see it opening night. I have very high hopes for it. I don't care how old Sly is; At least it's not a remake or a prequel.
hack slash
09-09-2007, 06:27 AM
Ray Tango and Gabriel Cash
or
John Spartan:D
Marion Cobretti.
I'm looking forward to John Rambo and will see it opening night. I have very high hopes for it. I don't care how old Sly is; At least it's not a remake or a prequel.
Word. I can't believe some are making big deal about Sly's age. He look pretty damn good for his age. He doesn't even look 60 compare to some. Even my dad didn't look young like Sly did when he turn 60 few years ago. :p
Zombie
09-09-2007, 01:14 PM
It's not like Willis had a choice in what the director of the movie did. He just starred in it. Stallone has all the freedom he wants though, being the star/writer/director.
It's not fucking Bruce Willis' fault that LFODH was PG-13. You needn't pretend it is.
Willis seemed all up for it being PG13 in his Playboy interview a few months ago. So I think he had a very big choice in it. It is HIS character. So I do kind of blame him. When proposed he could have easially said "No, I will not be a waterd down version of John McClain. I'm sure they would have made some tweaks to get him to agree/sign onto the movie with a guarentee'd R Rating.
If I recall, he might of been the one pushing for PG13 "so it can attract younger audiences. I'll habe to re0rad it
Merf, Sly's 61 this year and he can still kick your, mine, and everyone else's asses here. Your statement about what "Stallone needs to do" means if you saw "Rocky Balboa", its message obviously fell on deaf ears.
T.M.
Actually, I'm pretty sure Stallone couldn't catch up to any of us, what with the walker and all.
I'm pretty sure I got the "message" of the movie without even having seen it: "Sylvester Stallone is old. Sylvester Stallone needs money. Nobody will hire Sylvester Stallone because he no longer makes a believable action hero. Sylvester Stallone is going back to the well."
The Tall Man
09-10-2007, 03:44 AM
Actually, I'm pretty sure Stallone couldn't catch up to any of us, what with the walker and all.
:side:
I'm pretty sure I got the "message" of the movie without even having seen it: "Sylvester Stallone is old. Sylvester Stallone needs money. Nobody will hire Sylvester Stallone because he no longer makes a believable action hero. Sylvester Stallone is going back to the well."
Well, that pretty much shows your ignorance...
Sylvester Stallone is advanced in years... but he is NOT old.
Sylvester Stallone didn't get any money for "Rocky Balboa". He made it for heart, not money. The movie's budget was insanely low... 25 million. He got none of that.
Sylvester Stallone doesn't WANT to be an action hero. He's an actor and always has been. He wants roles, not stunts to play.
Stallone has enough money that his great grandchildren will be independently wealthy. He in no way "needs money". Larry King has talked about this with him several times.
Instead of bitching about Sly being "old", how bout you actually watch "Rocky Balboa" and THEN get back to us? Or at least provide constructive comments in a thread you actually know stuff about?
T.M.
hack slash
09-10-2007, 01:09 PM
:side:
Well, that pretty much shows your ignorance...
Sylvester Stallone is advanced in years... but he is NOT old.
Sylvester Stallone didn't get any money for "Rocky Balboa". He made it for heart, not money. The movie's budget was insanely low... 25 million. He got none of that.
Sylvester Stallone doesn't WANT to be an action hero. He's an actor and always has been. He wants roles, not stunts to play.
Stallone has enough money that his great grandchildren will be independently wealthy. He in no way "needs money". Larry King has talked about this with him several times.
Instead of bitching about Sly being "old", how bout you actually watch "Rocky Balboa" and THEN get back to us? Or at least provide constructive comments in a thread you actually know stuff about?
T.M.
Well said:box::D
ChoKo
09-11-2007, 12:08 AM
Like I said before, I don't care how old Sly is. The movie looks good, and that's what's important.
No matter how old he is, I'm still sold on his performance as Rambo, as well as how believable he makes the character. In no way is it hard to believe that this guy can take out a whole squad of guys by himself, regardless of his age, and I think that's what makes a quality flick of this type.
The Dream Master
09-11-2007, 12:10 AM
See, it'd be a different thing if Rocky Balboa hadn't directly acknowledged the age thing. It would have been beyond ridiculous as a film if it hadn't, but it did, and that's why it worked. I suspect John Rambo will be the same way, and, like Rocky Balboa, it will probably end up being the best film of its series since the original.
ChoKo
09-11-2007, 03:11 AM
See, it'd be a different thing if Rocky Balboa hadn't directly acknowledged the age thing. It would have been beyond ridiculous as a film if it hadn't, but it did, and that's why it worked. I suspect John Rambo will be the same way, and, like Rocky Balboa, it will probably end up being the best film of its series since the original.
You hit the nail right on the head.
Or at least provide constructive comments in a thread you actually know stuff about?
T.M.
Okay... I can constructively say that, having watched the first five Rocky films, they got progressively worse as they went along, so why would I want to bother watching a sixth film? A film in which the man playing the title character is so old it's completely unbelievable to see him try to take on anyone but, say, a geriatric George Foreman? (Foreman would decimate him, by the way.)
I can constructively say that, having seen the first five films, I thought they were terrible. I needn't have a reason for thinking this way; I simply thought they were horrid. Sort of like the Friday the 13th series but without the body count (unless you count Apollo Creed and Mickey, but neither of them lost a head or an arm, now did they?) nor the entertainment factor.
Now... before you go on one of your little tirades, Dear Tall Man, allow me to tell you this: Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one, and simply because mine differs from yours, why, that leaves you no reason to lambaste my opinion.
hack slash
09-11-2007, 03:32 PM
I 100% agree with you on the matter of opinions but you really shouldn't blast a movie if you haven't seen it. Rocky Balboa was one of the best films that came out last year, and the entire set-up and payoff is very believable as well as the fight itself
Hopefully it was more believable than Rocky IV's "the American underdog can take down this tank-of-a-man simply because the Tank is hopped up on steroids and the American has perseverance and heart."
hack slash
09-11-2007, 04:45 PM
Hopefully it was more believable than Rocky IV's "the American underdog can take down this tank-of-a-man simply because the Tank is hopped up on steroids and the American has perseverance and heart."
it is:box:
Just so I'm clear on things... Rocky Balboa involved Stallone taking on a man with a broken hand? Or at least a strained wrist, correct? I'm pretty certain I'd read something along those lines, either in this thread or another.
That's... awesome. Sylvester Stallone's made a movie where he beats the piss out of a gimp.
I like the general idea.
The Tall Man
09-11-2007, 11:14 PM
Um, NO.
During the fight, Mason Dixon hits Rocky in the side and either breaks his hand or sprains it.
And fine, you don't have to like these things, but why are you bothering posting about them?
T.M.
The Dream Master
09-12-2007, 01:34 AM
Now... before you go on one of your little tirades, Dear Tall Man, allow me to tell you this: Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one, and simply because mine differs from yours, why, that leaves you no reason to lambaste my opinion.
It helps if that opinion is informed, though. I mean, it's hard to take you seriously when you admit to not having seen the film. Go watch it, and if you still hate it, by all means, come in here and say so.
The Rocky films did get progressively worse, but Balboa makes up for that in spades. It's definately the best sequel and isn't nearly as ridiculous as you might think. Believe me, I sort of scoffed at the notion myself but I think Sly really pulled off something special.
hack slash
09-12-2007, 05:31 PM
We gots a release date!!!
Rambo Declares War on Jan. 25
Source: Lionsgate September 12, 2007
Lionsgate will release Sylvester Stallone's John Rambo on January 25, 2008. Written by, directed by, produced by, and starring Stallone, the action-thriller co-stars Julie Benz, Matthew Marsden, Graham McTavish, Rey Gallegos, Jake La Botz, Tim Kang and Paul Schulze.
In Thailand, a group of Christian aid workers recruit John Rambo to guide them up the Salween River to deliver medical supplies to the Karen tribe of neighboring Burma (aka Myanmar). When the missionaries fail to return, Rambo is persuaded to take a group of mercenaries back into the war-torn border region to find them. What follows is a descent into hell on earth.
Gringo Loco
09-12-2007, 08:37 PM
We gots a release date!!!
Rambo Declares War on Jan. 25
Source: Lionsgate September 12, 2007
Lionsgate will release Sylvester Stallone's John Rambo on January 25, 2008. Written by, directed by, produced by, and starring Stallone, the action-thriller co-stars Julie Benz, Matthew Marsden, Graham McTavish, Rey Gallegos, Jake La Botz, Tim Kang and Paul Schulze.
In Thailand, a group of Christian aid workers recruit John Rambo to guide them up the Salween River to deliver medical supplies to the Karen tribe of neighboring Burma (aka Myanmar). When the missionaries fail to return, Rambo is persuaded to take a group of mercenaries back into the war-torn border region to find them. What follows is a descent into hell on earth.
Sounds good to me. I'll be there opening day.
ChoKo
09-12-2007, 10:02 PM
Holy crap. That's great. We're getting it three months earlier than we first thought. I'll be there.
Jack Bauer
09-12-2007, 10:08 PM
I thought it would a summer film. It would sure as hell blow any other films that would have come out.
hack slash
09-12-2007, 10:23 PM
I thought it would a summer film. It would sure as hell blow any other films that would have come out.
WAY to many " Blockbusters" coming out next summer Rambo's safer being released before the summer movie season
Jack Bauer
09-12-2007, 10:37 PM
I wonder if it would be like Rocky 6 and try to make over $31 million opening weekend. Because everyone loves Rambo.
The Dream Master
09-13-2007, 12:27 AM
I thought it would a summer film. It would sure as hell blow any other films that would have come out.
Go check the summer slate for next year and get back to me on that. ;)
You know, a movie being dumped in January usually isn't a good thing, but there have been some pretty decent flicks coming out of that month lately, and Cloverfield is essentially going to be a January blockbuster, so who knows what this says about the quality of John Rambo.
Um, NO.
During the fight, Mason Dixon hits Rocky in the side and either breaks his hand or sprains it.
And fine, you don't have to like these things, but why are you bothering posting about them?
T.M.
I'm not. I believe my initial post was one that made a passing mention of the Rocky series. I do believe you're the one who decided to bring up Rocky Balboa. Man, Tally, old age is finally catching up with you, eh? ;)
Oh, and for the record: I decided to watch this little flick last night, just to see what all the fuss was about. I thought it was awful.
Yes, I have experienced the "glory" that is Rocky Balboa, and you know what? I still hated it.
Uncle Hoody
09-13-2007, 10:39 PM
I'm not. I believe my initial post was one that made a passing mention of the Rocky series. I do believe you're the one who decided to bring up Rocky Balboa. Man, Tally, old age is finally catching up with you, eh? ;)
Ok you two, lets play nice now.
Apocalypto
09-23-2007, 06:12 AM
This is my most anticipated movie right now. I think it'll blow away the first two RAMBOs, easily two of my favorite movies of the 80's, and could be the single greatest action movie ever.
The trailers alone have far more adrenaline packed into them than most entire films.
I'm glad to see Darla (Julie Benz) as the female lead.
The Tall Man
09-23-2007, 09:00 PM
"John Rambo" is gonna be VERY hard pressed to beat out "First Blood" for one simple reason: no Richard Crenna.
T.M.
Apocalypto
09-23-2007, 09:22 PM
True, but Sly made me love Rocky Balboa every bit as much of the first with no Adrian, Apollo, or Mickey.
The Dream Master
09-23-2007, 09:51 PM
Some would argue that the lack of Adrian was a great thing. She always was such a wet blanket. :X
"John Rambo" is gonna be VERY hard pressed to beat out "First Blood" for one simple reason: no Richard Crenna.
T.M.
Same here. I love First Blood & think no other Rambo films will match it, even if they are good.
Apocalypto
09-24-2007, 01:22 AM
I think I actually love First Blood II a bit more than the first.
The Tall Man
09-24-2007, 03:49 AM
Some would argue that the lack of Adrian was a great thing. She always was such a wet blanket. :X
They need to be conked in the head then.
No Adrian is what edges out the original "Rocky" over RB for my tastes.
T.M.
The Dream Master
09-24-2007, 03:51 AM
I didn't mind Adrian so much myself, particularly in the first couple of films, but that whole angle of her not wanting Rocky to fight got pretty old after a while.
But yeah, Rocky and Adrian's story (which is just as vital to the original film as Rocky's fight) is what makes the original more than just a great boxing/sports movie.
The Tall Man
09-24-2007, 03:57 AM
I didn't mind Adrian so much myself, particularly in the first couple of films, but that whole angle of her not wanting Rocky to fight got pretty old after a while.
I gotta blame that on Sly though. That's all he could come up with after III or so. Adrian was a good woman. It's not her fault she didn't understand manly stupidity (I'm looking at you IV).
But yeah, Rocky and Adrian's story (which is just as vital to the original film as Rocky's fight) is what makes the original more than just a great boxing/sports movie.
Rocky is actually not a boxing movie. It's not a sports movie either. It's a love story about a boxer. The original Rocky is about a man who happens to be a boxer, not boxing itself (I'm still looking at you IV).
T.M.
The Dream Master
09-24-2007, 04:01 AM
Yeah, I'm definately not blaming it on Adrian's character--there just wasn't anything for her to do.
Also, even though I don't think Rocky isn't strictly a sports or boxing movie, I don't think it's strictly a love story either. I think both elements intertwine with each other to create a portrait of the man, Rocky Balboa.
Apocalypto
09-24-2007, 04:16 AM
Rocky is actually not a boxing movie. It's not a sports movie either. It's a love story about a boxer. The original Rocky is about a man who happens to be a boxer, not boxing itself (I'm still looking at you IV).
T.M.
Which is why I love the films so much. They aren't about boxing, they're about life.
If they were 'boxing movies' I wouldn't care much for them, I'm not even a boxing fan.
I'm really looking forward to this movie.
The only thing I'm disappointed about concerns a tie-in - it doesn't appear that David Morrell, the author of First Blood, will be writing a novelization for this one. I thought it was cool that he wrote novelizations for both of the previous cinematic sequels, even though Rambo died at the end of his original novel.
Apocalypto
10-12-2007, 01:00 AM
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a291/HannibalBEATNGU/tohellandbackml5.jpg
Jack Bauer
10-12-2007, 01:01 AM
Frank Miller is gonna sue somebody!
Gringo Loco
10-12-2007, 01:01 AM
Love the poster. Especially the tag line.
Just Jeans
10-12-2007, 01:38 AM
So is the title "Rambo: To Hell and Back"?
ADDED:
Lionsgate Publicity (http://www.lionsgatepublicity.com/epk/johnrambo/) has the film listed as Rambo: To Hell and Back. Looks like the title has been changed.
Rambo: To Hell and Back. Looks like the title has been changed.
I like it. A lot.
Just Jeans
10-12-2007, 01:49 AM
I prefer To Hell and Back over John Rambo (I think the full name as a title worked for Rocky, but I wasn't digging it for Rambo). I still think it would have been neat if it had been called First Blood: Part IV.
Jack Bauer
10-12-2007, 01:58 AM
Now, what's Sin City 3 gonna be called?
Just Jeans
10-12-2007, 02:03 AM
Now, what's Sin City 3 gonna be called?
I'm going to go out on a limb and say it'll be called...Sin City 3. That's a crazy idea, I know, but it just might stick.
:)
Jack Bauer
10-12-2007, 02:06 AM
*Nods head* You might be right, Jeans.
ChoKo
10-12-2007, 02:28 AM
I dig the new title, as well. I think it's much better than all of the others they had before.
Apocalypto
10-12-2007, 02:40 AM
Even though it's only October 2007, I'll be shocked if I love anything in 2008 more than this.
On a pure action/adrenaline level, I think this will be the single greatest movie ever made.
The Dream Master
10-12-2007, 03:00 AM
This title change isn't half bad. I didn't really have a problem with "John Rambo" being the title. As long as the film redeems the series (a la Rocky Balboa), then I'll be happy.
Apocalypto
10-12-2007, 03:03 AM
I liked the JOHN RAMBO title, but I prefer To Hell and Back.
The Tall Man
10-12-2007, 04:33 AM
I still think it would have been neat if it had been called First Blood: Part IV.
Ya know, having the words "First" and a "numeral" just seems strange... You know what this movie REALLY should have been called?
"Last Blood".
As long as the film redeems the series (a la Rocky Balboa), then I'll be happy.
"Redeems"? I liked Rambo III. :confused:
T.M.
The Dream Master
10-12-2007, 04:39 AM
Don't get me wrong, I think the second and third Rambo flicks are alright, but they're nothing compared to the first film. That pretty much mirrors my feelings on the Rocky series as well (except part IV, which I just can't get behind) until Balboa came along.
Just Jeans
10-12-2007, 04:53 AM
Ya know, having the words "First" and a "numeral" just seems strange...
I know, that's why I love First Blood: Part II. There's just something about it...
Although I like your idea about calling it Last Blood. And then if they decide for some reason to do another one, it could be called Last Blood: Part II.
The Dark Vampire
10-12-2007, 05:03 AM
It should of been
First Blood
Second Blood
A Bit More Blood
Last Blood
Don't get me wrong, I think the second and third Rambo flicks are alright, but they're nothing compared to the first film. That pretty much mirrors my feelings on the Rocky series as well (except part IV, which I just can't get behind) until Balboa came along.
Same here. I just felt the first Rambo film has more heart & the story was better, thus the better film IMHO. The ending when Rambo broke down & cry was the best performance I ever seen Sly done. You just feel sorry for him that you wish his life could've been better.
And I like the title than John Rambo. It overkill when you have each Sly's movies use the names of his character as a title. Don't tell me they will use his character's name if they do ever do a sequel to "Stop! Or My Mom Will Shoot!!". :p
The Dream Master
10-12-2007, 05:33 AM
Same here. I just felt the first Rambo film has more heart & the story was better, thus the better film IMHO. The ending when Rambo broke down & cry was the best performance I ever seen Sly done. You just feel sorry for him that you wish his life could've been better.
I can't think of too many films where one scene elevates the rest of the film so much. First Blood is like that. Up until the end, it's at best an above-average action flick. That final scene really raises the stakes though, and makes First Blood so much more than that.
The Tall Man
10-12-2007, 06:02 AM
I know, that's why I love First Blood: Part II. There's just something about it...
Jeans, I SWEAR to you I was watching II on WGN one night and the announcer said "We now return to RAMBO, PART II: FIRST BLOOD. My brain just shut off for about five minutes after that!
Although I like your idea about calling it Last Blood. And then if they decide for some reason to do another one, it could be called Last Blood: Part II.
As my pal S-10 so elloquently put it to me: "I'd see that shit." ;)
First Blood
Second Blood
Dark, I shit you not, Sly's first draft of the film (that was thematically more like First Blood before Cameron came in) was entitled "Second Blood", which I always thought was a better title too.
T.M.
Scarecrow
10-12-2007, 07:36 AM
"Rambo: First Blood Part II" is still one of the cheesiest and over-the-top masculine films I have ever seen. The rippling muscle, long, gliding shots across his body, the vomit-inducing patrioism... it manages to be the homoerotic right-wing film ever...
- Scarecrow
hack slash
10-12-2007, 01:22 PM
It should of been
First Blood
Second Blood
A Bit More Blood
Last Blood
then comes the PG-13 Version
NO BLOOD:p
then comes the PG-13 Version
NO BLOOD:p
:lol: :lmao:
French Friday
10-12-2007, 07:17 PM
I liked John Rambo. Rambo : To Hell and Back is stronger. It really feels like an Apocalypse. The very final movie !
BTW, Rocky IV isn't about boxing, it's about the time of his life when a sportsman becomes an icon. From Rocky to Rocky Balboa, it's the whole life of someone who happens to be a sportsman. The rookie of the year, the confirmation of a champion, the first doubts, the icon, the retirement and the legacy, the return for a last trial. Yes, the first movie is about the life of a man who happens to be a sportsman. But the whole series is about the career and life of a man who happens to be a sportsman. You aren't always the "new guy", you aren't always the bachelor searching for love, you evolve, you change. That's the greatness of the Rocky series, thanks to the fact the same guy was behind these 6 movies made during 30 years.
The AICN talkbackers ripped on (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/34420) "To Hell and Back" enough that Stallone gave Harry Knowles a call (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/34423) this morning.
He starts off with something along the lines of, "Boy, them talkbackers are ripping me apart for the title change." Ah... I had read an email from AB KING before going to sleep that Lionsgate was saying the title was gonna be something along the lines of RAMBO: TO HELL AND BACK. Personally, I hated the change. Sly stated, "You know Lionsgate jumped the gun on this. I just was thinking that the title JOHN RAMBO was derivative of ROCKY BALBOA and might give people the idea that this is the last Rambo film, and I don't necessarily feel that it will be. He's not an athlete, there's no reason he can't continue onto another adventure. Like John Wayne with THE SEARCHERS."
I like that. Next Sly stated that he was thinking something like BLOOD RIVER - and asked what I thought about that. It was at this point where I felt, I should just let Sly know how I felt about all this title change stuff. I told him that I didn't feel the title JOHN RAMBO meant that this was the last Rambo movie, but that like with ROCKY BALBOA - it was more about a personal journey for the character. That JOHN RAMBO meant less cartoonish and a commitment to making the franchise a real quality return to the character. That the title, without a hyphen or a colon meant - this was a story about JOHN RAMBO.
That seemed to resonate with Sly and he stated, "Alright, that's the title. JOHN RAMBO."
So folks - There you have it. Sly listened to you and to me. The title looks to be JOHN RAMBO and it looks like, this might not be his final adventure. Seems Sly has a taste for the character again. In my opinion, that's a very good thing.
The Tall Man
10-12-2007, 08:57 PM
Stallone doesn't even agree with that, French. While doing publicity for RB, he said "It's not like 'Rocky IV', which was JUST about the fight." You're looking way too far into it. Stallone's script was about something (mostly, people), but the final film isn't about anything.
T.M.
Just Jeans
10-12-2007, 09:13 PM
I can't believe Stallone actually let himself get browbeat by Harry Knowles into changing the title back to John Rambo. It's really kind of sad.
However, until there's something a little more official than Harry Knowles' constant diarrhea of the mouth, I'm leaving the thread title as-is (although on second thought, I'll just combine the two until something sticks.)
hack slash
10-12-2007, 10:26 PM
However, until there's something a little more official than Harry Knowles' constant diarrhea of the mouth
:D:lol::lmao:
French Friday
10-12-2007, 11:09 PM
Stallone doesn't even agree with that, French. While doing publicity for RB, he said "It's not like 'Rocky IV', which was JUST about the fight." You're looking way too far into it. Stallone's script was about something (mostly, people), but the final film isn't about anything.
T.M.
Directors and writers always say many things about their movies, especially when they look back at them 10 years after. If we should always listen to them to understand what their movie is about... To be short, it doesn't mean the movie is only what they say.
And I analyze the whole series like everyone should do when judging a sequel (I never understood why people seem to always judge sequels as if they were original movies... they aren't !) You can't judge a part 4 without connecting it to the 3 previous movies, because the part 4 wouldn't exist without the 3 previous movies !
And even if Sly made a movie just about the fight, the final product is all about the ICON Rocky. It was made at the time Rocky was a movie icon, and the story is about Rocky the boxing icon. That's all there directly before your eyes on the screen. That's why it's a big video clip. Rocky the God of Boxing. I don't invent anything. Rocky is shown there as a super-hero. The one that will bring freedom and faith to the USSR people and to the whole world ! The Icon of Liberty !
But if you want to see just the fight, judge it as a standalone movie, just the movie without the context (1-3 and 5-6) I agree, you lose everything that made Part 4 so excellent.
Rocky is the story of a sportsman, from the start to the end, step by step.
Note that it doesn't contradict what you love so much in 1 and 2 and RB. It even enhances them making each one a step forward in Rocky's life.
These 6 movies tell only ONE story. I can't imagine watching Rocky 1 without watching the 5 sequels. And I can't imagine watching only one of the sequels. It's all or nothing.
And that story is near perfection (part 4 doesn't have the Rocky title appearing like in the others ! There has to be a flaw somewhere !).
Just Jeans
10-12-2007, 11:15 PM
To be short, it doesn't mean the movie is only what they say.
What it means is that you read more into it than what the filmmaker intended, which is groovy -- we all do that -- but ultimately a film is what the person who created it says it is.
Geddy Peart
10-13-2007, 12:54 AM
And that story is near perfection (part 4 doesn't have the Rocky title appearing like in the others ! There has to be a flaw somewhere !).
Not to mention Paulie's Robot and the cheesy 80s music replacing Bill Conti.
Spoilery positive script review on CHUD (http://www.chud.com/index.php?type=reviews&id=12127).
No one will be able to swat at this film with the face-saving/revisionist history criticism Rambo II has engendered…or dismiss it as Red Scare posturing - this film is all about human rights. John Rambo is not about winning a war or fighting a government-generated boogeyman - it’s about surviving in the face of atrocity. The script’s structure is very similar to that of Rambo III, (Rambo finds himself reluctantly dragged into the battle) but without the elements that make that film so easy to write-off as propaganda. The tale is crude and conflicted, as Stallone the writer seems to have a deep respect for the bright-eyed activism of the missionaries… he just knows it doesn’t always work out - especially not in a part of the world where turning the other cheek gets you decapitated, and the meek inherit bullets.
And sure, as a war film, it’s not The Thin Red Line (John Rambo is a film that needs to blow shit up), but it does feel as though it was conceived as an homage to Samuel Fuller-style "tabloid" screenwriting - it's brutal and arguably exploitative, but with a point to make about people. Of course, the film must stand as a nostalgia piece first and foremost - and if it can’t trade on your love of Stallone’s second most popular character (right behind Joe Bomowski), then it’s more than ready to trade on your fuzzy affection for the genre Rambo inspired. As the aforementioned trailer garishly demonstrates, the film is constructed to be a love letter to every over-the-top, mud-covered, jungle-creeping, throat-slitting, garrote-wired, squib-splattered, bamboo-splintered ‘80’s actioner ever made. If Stallone does his screenplay justice, John Rambo will stand as the best Joseph Zito movie Joseph Zito never made.
And really, who can't love that?
Scarecrow
10-14-2007, 05:57 PM
Directors and writers always say many things about their movies, especially when they look back at them 10 years after. If we should always listen to them to understand what their movie is about... To be short, it doesn't mean the movie is only what they say.
And I analyze the whole series like everyone should do when judging a sequel (I never understood why people seem to always judge sequels as if they were original movies... they aren't !) You can't judge a part 4 without connecting it to the 3 previous movies, because the part 4 wouldn't exist without the 3 previous movies !
And even if Sly made a movie just about the fight, the final product is all about the ICON Rocky. It was made at the time Rocky was a movie icon, and the story is about Rocky the boxing icon. That's all there directly before your eyes on the screen. That's why it's a big video clip. Rocky the God of Boxing. I don't invent anything. Rocky is shown there as a super-hero. The one that will bring freedom and faith to the USSR people and to the whole world ! The Icon of Liberty !
But if you want to see just the fight, judge it as a standalone movie, just the movie without the context (1-3 and 5-6) I agree, you lose everything that made Part 4 so excellent.
Rocky is the story of a sportsman, from the start to the end, step by step.
Note that it doesn't contradict what you love so much in 1 and 2 and RB. It even enhances them making each one a step forward in Rocky's life.
These 6 movies tell only ONE story. I can't imagine watching Rocky 1 without watching the 5 sequels. And I can't imagine watching only one of the sequels. It's all or nothing.
And that story is near perfection (part 4 doesn't have the Rocky title appearing like in the others ! There has to be a flaw somewhere !).
I just thought Rocky IV was about Cold War propagandfa but what the hell.... :p
- Scarecrow
The Tall Man
10-14-2007, 08:25 PM
Some alternate titles to "Rambo: To Hell and Back" for your enjoyment:
Rambo: To Heaven and Back
Rambo: To McDonalds and Back
Rambo: To the Bathroom and Back
Rambo: Baby Got Back
Rambo: To the Future and Back
Rambo: Rise of the Burma Surfer
Rambo: Direct to Video and Back
Rambo: Attack Iraq Back
Rambo: Mullet of Vengeance-- This summer, action is business in the front....and a party in the back!
Rambo: Sleeveless and Furious-- This summer, cufflinks aren't necessary... and neither is the law!
Rambo: To Retirement... And Beyond!
Rambo: Send the Script Back
Rambo: To Hell With These Slacks
Rambo: Bareback to Brokeback
Rambo: Like a Bat Out of Hell and Back
Rambo: And Rocky Back to Back
Rambo: Back in Black
Rambo: Burma Got Served
John Rambo and the Death-Proof Planet of Terror
Rambo: Rise of the Cost of Living-- This summer, inflation hits home!
Rambo: Hell Harder!
Rambo: Burmese Drift-- This summer, vengeance has no speed limit!
Rambo: To Fight Club and Back
Rambo: AICN Talk Back
Stop! Or John Rambo Will Shoot!
Rambo: Talk to the Hell and Recogize Back
Rambo: To Pound Sand's Ass and Back
Rambo: Shave My Back
Rambo and Rocky and Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
Rambo: To Hell With This!
There and Back: A Rambo Tale
Rambo: Fully Loaded
Superscar: The John Rambo Story
Rambo: Curse of the Swollen Prostrate
4 John 4 Rambo
Rambo: Ya Know, I'm Back, Ya Know
How Rambo Got His Groove Back
Rambo: Back to the Party at Kitty and Stud's
Rambo: The Real Brock Samson
Rambo: Don't Push Me (I've Just Had a Hip Replacement)
Rambo: ARRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHH!
Rambo: To Paradise Alley and Back
Rambo: To Australia and Back With a Suitcase Full of HGH
To John Rambo, Thanks for Everything, Julie Newmar!
Rambo: Too Vet to Die
Rambo: Don't Leave, Come On!
Ro-sham-Bo
Rambo: I Can't Find Your F***ing Legs!
Rambo: Easy as Breathin'
Rambo: Sweep the Leg, Johnny!
Eye See You, John Rambo!
Rambo: I'm Still Comin' to Get You, Murdock!
Snoop Rambo: To Hizzell and Bizzack
Rambo: I Want My Dignity Back
Rambo: Back That Thing Up
Rambo: So Back He's Front
Rambo: Australia, Gimme My Luggage Back!
Rambo: If You Saw 'The Specialist', Here's Your Money Back
Rambo: Once More to the Well and Back
Rambo: To Hell With Ranier Wolfcastle
Rambo: A Lot of Yelling and Bullets
Rambo IV: The Search for Richard Crenna
John Rambo: That Title is Whack!
Rambo: Never Hesitate to Put a Fool on His Back
Rambo: Nick Nack Patty Whack and Back
Rambo: To Hello Kitty and Back
Rambo: To Hell With Crack (It's Whack)
World War Rambo!
Rambofinger
Somewhere Over the Rambo
Colonel Trautman: The Rambo Whisperer
Rambo: The Doves of Peace-- This time he's going to talk it out
Rambo: To Hell With the MPAA!
Dodge Rambo
Rambo: To Hell and Back... With a Layover in Jersey
Rambo Babies-- A baby Rambo escapes from his crib by savagely beating down other babies in the crib that have been harrasing him. He is then chased by lil' Teasle who with the help of babysitter Trautman finally capture baby Rambo just in time
Rambo: Just Set It and Forget It
Rambo-- Episode IV: A New Name
Rambo: Untitled JJ Abrahms Project
Rambo: Too Legit to Quit
Rambo: Jungle All the Way
Live Free or Die at the Hands of Rambo
John Rambo: H. E. Double Hockey Sticks-- Rated G for Gore
Rambo: To Hell and Back in Under 30 or It's Free
Rambo: Weekend at Burma's
Rambo Killed the Radio Star
Rambo: Back to 'John Rambo'
John Rambo and the Law Offices of Hell and Back
2 Fast for Rambo
Ramb-Ho-Tep
Rambo: Dawn of the Dud
Rambo: Slittin' Throats and Shit
Froggy Went A'Courtin' and He Did Cry 'Rambo'
Rambo 2: Helen Back
Rambo: Toolin' Back
Rambo: 2-Day Sale at Macy's-- Even Rambo likes a sale
Rambo: To Hell With That Noise!
T.M.
Apocalypto
10-15-2007, 01:06 AM
Not to mention Paulie's Robot and the cheesy 80s music replacing Bill Conti.
Hey, that robot and those 80's rock songs have made for some great Family Guy bits.:)
Geddy Peart
10-15-2007, 01:50 AM
Hey, that robot and those 80's rock songs have made for some great Family Guy bits.:)
And God bless 'em for it!
Apocalypto
10-18-2007, 02:12 AM
New Poster...
http://media.movies.ign.com/media/041/041142/img_4979704.html
http://moviesmedia.ign.com/movies/image/article/827/827933/rambo-to-hell-and-back-20071016065215700.jpg
The Dream Master
10-18-2007, 02:14 AM
So, is this just called "Rambo" now?
Bad ass poster, at any rate.
Gringo Loco
10-18-2007, 02:20 AM
Hmm, I hope he decides on a name soon.
Apocalypto
10-18-2007, 03:55 AM
Yes, it's back to just "JOHN RAMBO," which it will most likely stay.
Just Jeans
10-18-2007, 06:06 AM
That poster says "RAMBO", not "JOHN RAMBO".
ADDED:
Lion's Gate Publicity (http://www.lionsgatepublicity.com/epk/johnrambo/) has changed the title from Rambo: To Hell and Back to just plain ol' Rambo (the URL still has John Rambo in it, but that was there when it was listed as To Hell and Back as well.)
I like "Rambo" better than "John Rambo", no matter how strange is it for simply "Rambo" to follow "Rambo III".
And call the next one "Rambo II". :duh:
French Friday
10-18-2007, 07:28 PM
The problem will be that in France, "First Blood" is known as "Rambo" (Rambo, Rambo II, Rambo III as we know them here).
I hope the french title for this new Rambo will be John Rambo or Rambo : subtitle.
Meh. I prefer they stick with the title "Rambo: To Hell and Back". That one was way better.
The Dark Vampire
10-18-2007, 10:38 PM
Screw it most people will call it Rambo 4 anyway
Just Jeans
10-19-2007, 12:27 AM
I think "RAMBO" is fine. I prefer it to both the previous titles, actually.
According to DarkHorizons (http://www.darkhorizons.com/news07/071018o.php), there will be a new trailer up on Yahoo next Wednesday and attached to Saw IV.
Also, it has its rating
Rated R for strong graphic bloody violence, sexual assaults, grisly images and language.
The Tall Man
10-19-2007, 03:35 AM
Goddammit. I'm not gonna sit through that piece o' crap to see the Rambo trailer. Perhaps I should plan a sneak attack...
T.M.
Deathscythe
10-19-2007, 03:47 AM
It'll probably end up on youtube anyway.
The Dream Master
10-19-2007, 03:50 AM
Guys, Cody's post also indicates that the trailer is going to be up on Yahoo, too. Sure, it's not the same as seeing it in the theater, but at least it's better than nothing.
Apocalypto
10-19-2007, 03:58 AM
Goddammit. I'm not gonna sit through that piece o' crap to see the Rambo trailer. Perhaps I should plan a sneak attack...
T.M.
It won't be attached to a piece of crap, it'll be attached to SAW IV.:)
Great news.
The new trailer has already leaked to YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzZwzoD1ZFM).
Apocalypto
10-24-2007, 02:12 AM
"Live for nothing...or die for something! Your call!*_*"
New signature.:)
The music in that trailer was really good too, not sure if it's the score that'll actually be used in the film or not.
There isn't much new there to anyone that's seen the uber violent explicit trailers from several months back, but I still can't wait to see it play on the big screen.
ChoKo
10-24-2007, 04:00 AM
Best. Poster. Ever.
I will proudly hang that on my wall soon, I hope.
Apocalypto
10-24-2007, 04:04 AM
Yeah, that's been my wallpaper since I first saw it.
Esten
10-24-2007, 04:54 AM
With the title now simply being "Rambo", a chunk of the (grossly misinformed)mainstream are going to think this is a remake, which is going to be beneficial to the movie.
Just Jeans
10-24-2007, 05:34 AM
You're probably right, Esten.
ChoKo
10-24-2007, 05:15 PM
When I really think about it, all of the title changes don't really bother me.
They have some really great, solid footage in the trailers; That being said, they could call the film Rambo Takes A Dump and I'd still see it with equal, if not greater, enthusiasm.
The Dark Vampire
10-24-2007, 06:32 PM
With the title now simply being "Rambo", a chunk of the (grossly misinformed)mainstream are going to think this is a remake, which is going to be beneficial to the movie.
They will walk out claiming it's better than the original version and this new guy is much better than that other guy in the old one:D
Apocalypto
10-24-2007, 09:17 PM
With the title now simply being "Rambo", a chunk of the (grossly misinformed)mainstream are going to think this is a remake, which is going to be beneficial to the movie.
The general public isn't nearly that ignoran.....um, yeah....you're probably right.:)
French Friday
10-25-2007, 05:35 PM
I'm just thinking that with Rocky Balboa being a success (wasn't it ?), if Rambo then Indy and the Crystal Skull are successful, that will maybe push Hollywood to forget remakes and have a trend of "so many years after" sequels. Critters 5 could be a sequel and not a remake. Karate Kid 5 could be a sequel too...
Tremors 5 would maybe find a way out. As well as Phantasm 5.
I don't know, Hollywood follow the money afterall.
The Dark Vampire
10-25-2007, 05:46 PM
I was thinking along similar lines but with Sly going back to Rocky and Rambo Ford going back to Indie and Willis going back to Die Hard (maybe going back again if the DH 5 rumors are true) who will be the next classic action hero to return to do a sequel to one of his old movies?
The Dream Master
10-25-2007, 06:11 PM
I'm just thinking that with Rocky Balboa being a success (wasn't it ?), if Rambo then Indy and the Crystal Skull are successful, that will maybe push Hollywood to forget remakes and have a trend of "so many years after" sequels. Critters 5 could be a sequel and not a remake. Karate Kid 5 could be a sequel too...
Tremors 5 would maybe find a way out. As well as Phantasm 5.
I don't know, Hollywood follow the money afterall.
I think that the difference between "Rocky Balboa," "Rambo," "Indy IV" and those other films you mentioned is star power. Obviously, it'd be difficult to recast the title characters of those films because the actors are quite attached to the characters. It's not the same with Critters, Phantasm (even though I can't see anyone besides Scrimm as TM), Halloween, etc, which is why a NOES remake is going to be so strange once it happens.
Esten
10-25-2007, 06:46 PM
It has more to do with people wanting to see the character after it being so damn long. If people saw Stallone's name on a movie poster or on a trailer, they'd laugh and not bother, were it any other character besides Rocky and Rambo.
Even me, and I'm a Stallone fan. :-X
The Dark Vampire
10-25-2007, 07:11 PM
I think part of the reason the classic action hero are going back to their most famous roles is due to the fact they know they are getting on in years & now only have a limited time left to be the top billing (as action heroes anyway) so they are going back to a movie what they pretty much know will do well and they are already established for because I don't think many directors would higher them for a new movie which could lead to a new franchise they want to go with younger actors.
Ok Sly said another part of the reason he did Rocky Balboa is he didn't want thatbpiece of crap Rocky 5 to be the last one he wanted to take Rocky out on a high.
The Tall Man
10-25-2007, 08:42 PM
"Piece of crap" "Rocky V"? You mean IV... which can barely even be considered a movie. At least V has a storyline and acting and characterization. Oh yeah and a Conti score.
T.M.
The Dream Master
10-26-2007, 12:58 AM
It has more to do with people wanting to see the character after it being so damn long. If people saw Stallone's name on a movie poster or on a trailer, they'd laugh and not bother, were it any other character besides Rocky and Rambo.
Even me, and I'm a Stallone fan. :-X
Definately so, but I think the reverse is true, too. A Rocky re-make that re-casted the role probably wouldn't be as successful as RB was. I think it's a combination of the star-power and the character that's making these long-overdue sequels so successful.
I was thinking along similar lines but with Sly going back to Rocky and Rambo Ford going back to Indie and Willis going back to Die Hard (maybe going back again if the DH 5 rumors are true) who will be the next classic action hero to return to do a sequel to one of his old movies?
Probably Van Damme with Cyborg 4. :p
Apocalypto
10-26-2007, 07:53 AM
The crowd reaction at SAW IV for this trailer tonight was phenominal, the most electrifying reaction I've ever seen to a trailer.
People burst out cheering as RAMBO rises up behind the bad guy and were rowdy throughout, then cheered again as the title came up.
ChoKo
10-26-2007, 03:50 PM
Probably Van Damme with Cyborg 4. :p
http://www.anaitgames.com/wp-content/darth_vader_nooo1.jpeg
http://www.anaitgames.com/wp-content/darth_vader_nooo1.jpeg
Red X! Red X!!!! :eek:
nottidelterrore
10-27-2007, 02:39 PM
I'm very excited for this. I saw the leaked trailer(or whatever it was) some months back & some stills from it. It's going to be very brutal. Stallone brought back the magic in Rocky Balboa. I think he can do it again in Rambo.
Now let's cross our fingers for Cobra II or as he'd probably titled it "Marion Cobretti." :D
Joe Strummer
10-28-2007, 03:27 AM
I cannot wait to see this movie. The trailer boosted my interest through the sky. While I was watching that new Die Hard, I kept thinking about Rambo 4 the whole time. Stallone will show 'em how it's done.
ChoKo
11-02-2007, 12:22 PM
Here's a wallpaper I made out of the poster. (This is a smaller sample image. PM me if you want the full-sized version):
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc309/Speedy_Gonzalez_13/RamboWP-Copy-1.jpg
Apocalypto
11-03-2007, 07:10 PM
Anyone know what the length of this movie is?
I was hoping for near 2 hours.
Biosynthnut v.2
11-04-2007, 11:22 AM
Yea saw the poster yesterday at the theater. Pretty sweet.
skuppy
11-05-2007, 03:28 AM
I was thinking along similar lines but with Sly going back to Rocky and Rambo Ford going back to Indie and Willis going back to Die Hard (maybe going back again if the DH 5 rumors are true) who will be the next classic action hero to return to do a sequel to one of his old movies?
Arnold Schwarzenegger returning for Predator 3 would be something!!
I saw the trailer for Rambo attached to Saw 4 and thought it looked pretty good. Having dialup internet access, I wasn't able to view the other trailers on the net. I will definitely be checking this out come January.
hack slash
11-13-2007, 05:13 PM
NEW POSTER
http://movieblog.ugo.com/index.php/movieblog/more/rambo_exclusive_peek_at_new_one_sheet/
Just Jeans
11-13-2007, 05:42 PM
I like that, but I have to admit that I prefer the previous poster. Still, I'm glad to see the title is just plain ol' Rambo. I like that way better than John Rambo.
ChoKo
11-13-2007, 11:11 PM
The new poster is cool but I, like Jeans, like the previous one better.
I can't wait until January.
The new poster is cool but I, like Jeans, like the previous one better.
I can't wait until January.
Same here. Calling it just Rambo could be confusing to some. They might think it a remake or something. Thought I know none of the movies were call just "Rambo" like this one.
The Tall Man
11-18-2007, 04:36 AM
Apocalypto, according to a review at AICN, approx. 90 minutes.
T.M.
For this TV spot (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=39495), Lionsgate digs up "Bodies" to pimp Rambo Jason X style.
Scarecrow
11-21-2007, 09:59 PM
Would you trust this guy to write your film?
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d69/ScarecrowCenobite/The%20Hellbound%20Web/hr3-jp02.jpg
Honestly, I KNEW I recognised the name and JP Munroe from Hellraiser III appears to be writing the screenplay for Rambo!
It's still crazy though, the series titles read:
First Blood
Rambo: First Blood Part II
Rambo III
Rambo
Not confusing in the slightest. :p
- Scarecrow
The Tall Man
11-21-2007, 11:45 PM
What? All reports indicate Sly wrote the screenplay... ?
T.M.
Scarecrow
11-22-2007, 08:46 AM
That's probably the case although he is listed here.
Hollywood.com (http://www.hollywood.com/celebrity/Kevin_Bernhardt/1119969)
And true, the ever unreliable imdb is hardly a another source. But I saw him noted on another site as well, although not sure which. Guess just have to wait for a detailed poster to see whose named, it's possible he wrote an un-used screenplay or something. Guess we'll see.
- Scarecrow
French Friday
11-22-2007, 06:44 PM
It's still crazy though, the series titles read:
First Blood
Rambo: First Blood Part II
Rambo III
Rambo
Not confusing in the slightest. :p
- Scarecrow
Rambo
Rambo 2
Rambo 3
Rambo
In french, it's way clearer. :p
Just Jeans
11-22-2007, 07:01 PM
There are no citations on Wikipedia, but it lists the screenplay as having been written by Sylvester Stallone, Jeb Stuart, and Art Monterastelli.
Jack Bauer
11-26-2007, 04:45 AM
Has anyone else seen the Rambo film poster with the Che Guevara style to it around their town? Because I saw quite a few of them around near my grandmother's house.
nottidelterrore
12-14-2007, 04:55 AM
I'm really excited that this is coming out in a little over a month.
I can't wait to see one of the greatest action heroes back in action once more.
ChoKo
12-14-2007, 04:59 PM
I've been looking forward to this since... forever. January 25th can't get here fast enough.
ChoKo
12-30-2007, 03:14 PM
Guess who (and what) made the cover of the Feb '08 issue of Blade Magazine:
http://www.cartertown.com/images/Knives/Hibben/HibbenCustom/RamboIV/BladeRamboCover.jpg
More pics of the new Rambo knife:
http://hibbenknives.com/cart/images/RIVPromoPic500.jpg
http://www.hibbenknives.com/images/CustomKnives/RamboIV/JohnRambo4.jpg
You can pick up a handmade limited edition (only 100 were made) of the above knife for a cool $1,250 (USD). Personally, I'm gonna wait until a cheaper, licensed, production version is released.
Apocalypto
12-30-2007, 05:38 PM
Does anybody know the length of this movie?
I've heard that it's right around 90 (93?) minutes, but I don't know what the source was.
The Tall Man
12-31-2007, 03:50 AM
Finally saw a TV spot for this tonight during "American Dad."
T.M.
nottidelterrore
12-31-2007, 04:55 AM
Finally saw a TV spot for this tonight during "American Dad."
T.M.
Same here. The Drowning Pool song really didn't get me amped since I'm not into that band but seeing Rambo kicking ass certainly got me more amped. I cannot wait for this!
ChoKo
01-01-2008, 11:54 PM
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Apocalypto
01-02-2008, 12:09 AM
Damn, I'll be pretty disappointed if it's only near 90 minutes, I was hoping for closer to 2 hours.:(
Just Jeans
01-02-2008, 02:02 AM
Okay, I actually like 'Let the Bodies Hit the Floor', but why do they have to use it over a Rambo TV spots? It was out of place in the Jason X trailer, and it's out of place here, too.
The Tall Man
01-02-2008, 03:46 AM
Cause publicity wants to haul in as many stupid kids as they can.
Cause they know Rambo's gonna let da bodies hit da floooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooor!
T.M.
Esten
01-02-2008, 04:51 AM
Why do bodies have to be "hittin da flore"? Can't John talk it out with the guys like gentlemen? I'd pay to see that.
Deathscythe
01-04-2008, 11:58 PM
Old article, but has anybody seen this? (http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2006/12/07/sylvester_stallone_blames_batman_for_tod)
Probably fake, but haha anyway.
On a Pale Horse
01-05-2008, 01:35 AM
I am looking forward to this too. I was just watching Rambo II on On Demand the other day, brought be back!
CosmoBubba
01-05-2008, 02:20 AM
Has anyone else seen the Rambo film poster with the Che Guevara style to it around their town? Because I saw quite a few of them around near my grandmother's house.
The only place I've seen it is as a giant cardboard standup in a theater lobby. It's a cool looking poster, most certainly.
Deathscythe
01-05-2008, 03:08 AM
My sisters friend works at the cinema so I might be able to get a poster of this film. I want this (http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/images/poster-rambo.jpg) one through.
Apocalypto
01-05-2008, 07:52 PM
Yeah, that's way better than the close up of him aiming the arrow.
"The only place I've seen it is as a giant cardboard standup in a theater lobby. It's a cool looking poster, most certainly."
My theatre has that up too.
French Friday
01-05-2008, 09:14 PM
We're safe here in France ! I saw the poster, and the movie is called "John Rambo" here ! No confusion possible !
Rambo
Rambo II
Rambo III
John Rambo
Rocky
Rocky II
Rocky III
Rocky IV
Rocky V
Rocky Balboa
I love the coherence there !
The Dream Master
01-07-2008, 07:11 AM
French, did you purposely leave Rocky V out? :lol:
Esten
01-07-2008, 03:34 PM
Can't leave Rocky V out, cuz Mickey loves ya'! :)
Deathscythe
01-07-2008, 04:12 PM
Hate on Rocky V and I'll sue.:p
French Friday
01-07-2008, 06:00 PM
French, did you purposely leave Rocky V out? :lol:
Damned ! What a fool I am ! Forgetting Rocky V ! Send me to Hell !
No, it wasn't purposely. It was purely unconscious.
My absolute love for Rocky IV and the lack of the training theme in Rocky V are maybe the reasons why...
For everyone to know, I love every Rocky, even Rocky 5 !
"What's your pleasure, sir ?"
"Give me that box for me to go to Hell, I forgot Rocky V, I need to suffer for that !"
:D
Apocalypto
01-11-2008, 03:03 AM
http://www.myspace.com/briantylercomposer
Brian Tyler has the first part of the score up on his myspace page, and it's beautiful.
Epic, exciting, moving, and true to Jerry Goldsmith's genius.
ADDED:
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Sketch Sanchez
01-11-2008, 10:41 AM
Has anyone else seen the Rambo film poster with the Che Guevara style to it around their town? Because I saw quite a few of them around near my grandmother's house.
I'm just quoting this because I was in the subway today and I walked by one of these posters and noticed that it wasnt fully stuck to the wall and that I could peel it off.
SO I did.
Unfortunately, the back was so sticky that the poster ended up sticking to itself and when I tried to peel it back apart pieces of it tore off. I was so disappointed, i was really hoping to add it to my wall.
Stallone is doing another Q&A at AICN, and the first batch of answers are up (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/35279).
Day 2 (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/35286) of the Q&A.
sammysausage76
01-24-2008, 03:01 AM
I am so excited that it comes out this Friday!! This looks to be a great movie!!
Q&A - round 3 (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/35350) and round 4 (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/35371).
Positive reviews on Joblo (http://www.joblo.com/review-rambo), AICN (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/35376), CHUD (http://chud.com/articles/articles/13366/1/REVIEW-RAMBO/Page1.html).
Q&A: Last day (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/35378)
My review: I liked the movie.
nottidelterrore
01-26-2008, 03:58 AM
Sadly, I didn't get to see this today but I've heard that it's filled to the brim with violence. And that it's pretty amazing.
And Sly's answers for the questions on ainitcoolnews.com are awesome. I really love that man.
Deathscythe
01-26-2008, 04:18 AM
I haven't seen it yet either, going tomorrow.
Sadly...a lot of people of told me they would rather see Meet the Spartens.:mad:
nottidelterrore
01-26-2008, 04:21 AM
Sadly...a lot of people of told me they would rather see Meet the Spartens.:mad:
Blasphemy! I think that Meet the Spartans looks terrible. I'm sad that The Sorbs(Kevin Sorbo) is in it.
Zombie
01-26-2008, 04:37 AM
Just got out of Rambo!! still here in the theater gonna watch Cloverfield again and see if I like it better.
As for Rambo though? It was totally FUCKIN AWESOME!!! Stallone hit another home run IMO and FUCK ALL CRITICS!!! I cant talk to much now since on my phone and movie bout to start but its something I'm gonna come and watch again in theaters.
Deathscythe
01-26-2008, 04:37 AM
Blasphemy! I think that Meet the Spartans looks terrible. I'm sad that The Sorbs(Kevin Sorbo) is in it.
Me too, but whatever. No Rambo = Their Loss.
Zombie
01-26-2008, 07:39 AM
OK, now that I'm finally back home and I've settled down to catch my breath. I'm still thinking Rambo was just an awesome action flick! Like "Rocky Balboa" before it, Rambo (4) was like the best one compared to the other sequals. The first one is believable and realistic. Second one, eh not so much so. More of the "macho" 80's 1 man vs whole army along with the third one although that was not to bad. However, "Rambo" was able to end the series (now hopefully this is the last one) on a good note.
I think something must have been bothering Stallone recently and Rocky 5 and Rambo 3 just wasn't sitting well with him to end his characters the way he did and prompted him to make a small/big comeback and lace up the gloves and sharpen his knife for one more round each and I think they paid off tremendously.
I will admit I was a skeptic when I first heard of another Rocky and then another Rambo movie coming out, even more so and thought it was a very bad idea when he was talking about another Rambo just after 9-11 and wanting his character to go after Osama Bin Laden. I don't know if there's any truth to that or if that was just a rumor but I'm just glad he didn't go in that direction as he already did war with Afghanastan or in it I should say and it didn't turn out all that great.
I kind of had a feeling though Rocky would do ok, this one though I was worried because of his age, but after that R-Rated Trailer came out on youtube and IGN I was more convinced that this movie was just going to ROCK! and ROCK HARD it did. The trailer does kind of make the movie seem totally different then what it turned out to be or at least what I was expecting (I'll post more about that in spoilers below in just a bit). Also the trailer wasn't like Alien vs Predator 2 where it showed or gave up alot of the "best" scenes as it showed just the right amount of the film it needed.
The theater wasn't as packed as I was hoping it would be, because I would like this to be successfull. Not so he gets another wild idea to make another one or to bring back another old character, but just cause I truly feel like he deserves it. He's been doing so many "crap" movies before Rocky & Rambo that he was probably only going to be recgonized as just an 80's/90's action hero junkie. Granted these are the movies that made him who he truly is even though he tried to do comedy and or more of a "serious" drama type movie (cop land) and then to even kid movies, but once he stepped back into what made him popular you kind of wonder why he just didn't stick with these kind of movies back then when he wanted to "explore" and basically almost ruin his career.
As for what surprised me, as well as maybe some things I didn't like or care for. - Spoilers Included and probably best if you don't read till after seeing the movie... Trust me, it'll be better not knowing and reading the following spoilers...
I didn't care to much for the beginning. Maybe because it seemed a little rushed. This is where an extra 15-20 mins could have been added to maybe show a little more about what he has been doing since the last movie and why his "attitude" is like a "Fuck the world, I dont give a shit anymore"? You see in the third one he finds himself in a small town helping people out and stuff which makes sense for the end of the 2nd movie, but in this one it kind of doesnt make to much sense. Also what was all said to make him change his mind to give the Church people a ride up stream after all. It was more like "No I'm not going to do it" then all of a sudden they're on their way in the next scene. So maybe just a little more background info on him and why he was the way he was in this movie.
Other then that, I thought the movie was fine from here on out. Well maybe the trailer like kind of indicating this was going to be the Rambo from Pt 2 and not so much so as the Rambo in Pt 3. The reason I say that is because in Pt 2 he doesn't really have any help other then that girl for just a little bit then it's all Rambo. Then in the 3rd one it's mostly Rambo but then he has help from Troutman and the Rebals. This one did make "Rambo" alot more believable by having help from the merc's, but I would have liked to see Rambo doing ALOT more then just shooting from the mounted 50 Cal. I was expecting that all the mercs and church people were gonna get recaught or maybe just the church people and the mercs or some of them get killed and then Rambo goes in and saves most of them either by himself or with the aid of the Sniper guy. The "leader" of the mercs seemed like he was gonna be killed and killed fast for how much of an ass he was. Like his big talk while on the boat and then not letting Rambo come, to the ultimate leaving Rambo behind kind of when most of the others wanted to wait for him at least a few more mins. So I was kind of hoping he was gonna end up dying. Which I dont think he did so that threw me off a bit, or if he did then it wasn't soon enough.
The action was just perfect though. Maybe a little over the top, but looked alot more realistic then other movies. Also glad that it seemed like not a whole lot was cut out either. There were a few shots that were way to fake looking with the CGI they used. Reminded me a whole lot of the end of The Devils Rejects when they're getting shot up in the car at the end in some of the scenes in Rambo. Especially Rambo's last kill when he "guts" the Cpt/Leader. Looked good but when he was rolling down the hill then it was just awkward but none of it ruined the movie for me. I did like how Rambo was alot more brutal in this movie though. It fit in with how brutal the enemy was. I believe it was in the Yahoo reviews I read someones review or on here about the "games" the enemies played with their hostages and I didn't really see anything about pigs eating the people. Maybe in the background but not actually happening. Also the whole "Mine" game thing was way different then how it was said as well. Either way though it was just great seeing action like this. Totally different then the other movies. Hell this movie makes the others feel like a PG-13 version of Rambo. Just thinking of how much he was able to get away with and it turning out to be good, and then wondering how much better Die Hard 4 would have been if his buddy Bruce followed Stallones steps and making it more realistic violence as well as keeping the true mouthy John McClain character. But that's neither here nor there.
Oh the other thing that bugged or maybe seemed like what was missing, was in the beginning it shows the bad guys whatever raiding a village and such but they didn't go on such a rampage like they did when they raided this second one when the church people where there. So it's like, why all of a sudden did they just turn up all hardcore compared to the first time they raided a place? OR was it the same place as before and since the Church people were there or they found the boat that Rambo blew up on his way back? Oh now thinking of that, when they pass the "Pirates" it looks like there's a whole platoon there in the big shack as they pass by trying to go undetected, then all of a sudden the boat catches them and they shoot rounds at them for them to stop, then Rambo wastes them so they dont take the girl. So why didn't that set off alarms to all the other guys that were back at the shack and have them come after them? That also seemed to like just be missing or not explained? Because when they got caught they weren't that far ahead from that shack so surely they would have noticed when he shot them and or that they didnt come back right away yet when Rambo shows up in the village and kills them with his Bow they're worried about how long till the bad guys know their other members "werent coming back" or something happened to them?
Then now thinking about time going by, when the main church guy comes to Rambo to hire him to take the mercs up to get the people back and he says it's been 10 days since the raid and they were taken hostage that has passed yet it surely doesnt seem that long, not to mention how any of them would have still been alive for that long anyways? Wow the more that I think about it, there's actually ALOT of stuff that was either cut out or not filmed to kind of fill in some of these holes in the movie! It still doesnt change the way I feel about the movie. But that's something he could ahve probably touched up on some more to make it just that much better because it did seem VERY short.
So thats about it. Again, major spoilers and basically the whole movie so try to watch before reading. No matter though the stuff I didn't "like" that much or anyhing like that didn't make me like it any less. I'll still probably watch it one more time in theaters just to catch it on the big loud screen again and then just can't wait till it comes on Bluray since it's made by Lions Gate and they only do Bluray so can't wait till this comes out.
I'll say because of the stuff I mention in the spoilers that I give this movie an 8 out of 10! Maybe even a 7/7.5 - 8 out of 10. It was way better the AvP2, way better then Cloverfield even though I saw that again after Rambo but that was only cause I got out just in time as CF was starting and had nothing else todo so decided to try it out again. The camera bugged me more this time with all the shakyness also when I first saw it, it was a DLP showing and that was alot more clearer then the one I saw again, and that makes a HUGE difference in movies I believe and hope more and more DLP movies are made and come out more.
Everyone in the theater seemed to have liked it as well. Even some of the "Younger" generation crowds. I was surprised to see as much "Young/Teens" in there as I did as I thought they probably weren't to big on "Rambo" movies and definitely to young to have grown up on them like I have. There was also alot of "older" people in there as well and those people you just knew grew up watching the other movies. Still a great action flick... Just to bad it wasn't summer cause it felt like a big summer release.
Apocalypto
01-26-2008, 09:05 AM
Considering the massive pressure that I put on this film, anything less than the best film of its kind and one of the best films period would've disappointed me...fortunately it wasn't anything less than that.
From the trailers alone, I already knew this movie would deliver more on the bad-ass scale than any other three or four films combined did...and even by the standards of the unrated trailers, the action and unapologetic brutality of this movie complete blows it out of the water.
In addition to the immeasurable amount of adrenaline that this movie delivers, this film personifies what it is to put a face on the suffering, forcing us to take a disturbing look at what happens when territories, and people are just forgotten about and disregarded beacuse they're deemed unimportant by the"more civilized."
RAMBO starting off the film trying to tame cobras is a perfect metaphor for what this movie is all about...hope that even the most dangerous place imagineable can still be tamed by those that aren't afraid to try.
This is one of the most cruel, savage, horrifying looks at what mankind is capable of, and capable of just ignoring, to ever grace the screen...the raid on the village sequence made me break down.
It also takes a great look at the dynamic between optimism and pessemism, and the positive and negative of both points of view; the good Christian way of thinking that violence is never the answer and that noone is beyond redemption, and the more "realist" way of realizing when the time comes that there's no other choice but to kill evil if you wish to preserve good are both conveyed beautifully.
I especially love Michael telling RAMBO that he has to report him because murder is never right...then realizing exactly what RAMBO said earlier "when you're pushed, killing's as easy as breathing" after bludgeoning one of the torturers.
RAMBO's relationship with Sarah managed to soften him up just enough without it becoming corny or de-mystifying his bad ass exterior. How strongly he connects with her after her their "Saving a life, isn't wasting yours" interaction really had me extra invested in his mission. Showing flashbacks to him having to bury Co from First Blood II and putting on her necklace as he holds Sarah's cross was an excellent throwback to the old films, showing that he has Co's burial running through his head, and how much he'd hate having to do that now with Sarah being his driving force.
Flashing back to his "I want to go home!" break down from First Blood was a great forshadowing toward the ending, which book ends First Blood perfectly, after seeing the joy on the faces of the Christian missionary members when they're reunited motivates him to finally seek out his father and find peace after his long road home...atleast as powerful as the First Blood ending.
On a technical level, Stallone's performance is very subdued and very intense at different points in the film when each is called for; Julie Benz makes the character feel as beautiful as she looks while also showing her terror toward the brutality that's happening around her which very effectively conveys the consequences of violence; the cinematography is top notch, featuring plenty of beautiful shots of the jungle, and using a very withdrawn color scheme toward the beginning of the filmthat takes makes the light dimmer to express what these peoples lives feel like; Brian Tyler is quickly becoming one of my favorite composers, he does an outstanding job of remixing the class "It's a Long Road..." theme, he does some very visceral percussion for the suspense, and uses the more epic cues sparingly, but exactly when they're called for, when his music picked up during the village raid is when my tears really started flowing.
Few films are anywhere near this vicious and brutal, but few films have anywhere near as much reason to be.
On an emotional level, this film restored the heart of First Blood and then some, and on a pure excitement level, it's miles ahead of both sequels put together. This isn't an overly styilized fun romp that sugar-coats the effects of violence, it forces us to take a very close look at it on a physical and an emotional level.
I was really glad that Sly gave this series a great book end as he did with Rocky Balboa instead of making it feel like just another sequel.
If there's a better film in 2008, I'll be shocked.
El Diablo
01-26-2008, 11:31 AM
He nailed it. :D
I almost can't believe it but lightning has struck twice for Stallone. I definitely feel that this is the second best film in the Rambo series. It has the heart and grittiness of First Blood and makes the character of John Rambo into more than just a cartoon action hero, which is what he was pretty much reduced to in the sequels (I love the second movie for it's nostalgic value but it hasn't aged well). Stallone proves without a doubt that while he may be an old dog, his bite is still as strong as it ever was.
Rambo unleashes his animal side when it counts, which we see in graphic detail, but what makes the character work are the quiet moments that show us his humanity and the battle he's struggling with inside. It's these moments that make his primal release at the end of the film feel like a man who is literally exorcising his demons and throwing them right back at the enemy. The ending of the film is perfect. It's absolutely perfect. That final shot brings the character full circle and shows us that a broken man has healed. It's a wonderful way to close a series that had gone astray and the fact that Stallone was able to accomplish this with both Rambo and Rocky is nothing short of a miracle, especially considering his age and the time that has passed for each movie. Sly can retire both of these characters with dignity and just knowing that makes me one happy film geek.
I saw this last night and i liked it for what it was. I also got to catch the trailer for Midnight Meat Train. It looked disappointing and really reminded me of Candyman with the hook and all.
Zombie
01-26-2008, 04:09 PM
I saw this last night and i liked it for what it was. I also got to catch the trailer for Midnight Meat Train. It looked disappointing and really reminded me of Candyman with the hook and all.
LOL, it actualy was reminding me of a "I know what you did last summer" movie in a way. Your right though, if that's supposed to be a good/scary horror it certainly didn't feel like that
killingvector
01-26-2008, 05:24 PM
hope that even the most dangerous place imagineable can still be tamed by those that aren't afraid to try.
Ah yes, the origin of imperialism and the worst foreign policy decisions of the past 150 years. Present administration, crusaders and missionaries included. Rambo of course tames by fire.
the good Christian way of thinking that violence is never the answer and that noone is beyond redemption, and the more "realist" way of realizing when the time comes that there's no other choice but to kill evil if you wish to preserve good are both conveyed beautifully.
Christian way? Don't you mean the Buddhist way? I don't want to drag this into a religious debate but that mention of Christianity strikes me as bollocks considering the history of the faith. Plus notions of absolute 'good' and 'evil' are very rare in history and can be distorted by heads of state to mitigate acts of war. I don't believe this theme is strong at all.
Apocalypto
01-26-2008, 06:36 PM
[QUOTE=killingvector;104495]Ah yes, the origin of imperialism and the worst foreign policy decisions of the past 150 years. Present administration, crusaders and missionaries included. Rambo of course tames by fire.
As I said, when there isn't much of a choice, yeah.
Christian way? Don't you mean the Buddhist way? I don't want to drag this into a religious debate but that mention of Christianity strikes me as bollocks considering the history of the faith. Plus notions of absolute 'good' and 'evil' are very rare in history and can be distorted by heads of state to mitigate acts of war. I don't believe this theme is strong at all.
No, I meant what I said, the way that these people were acting is the Christian way, what you're talking about are acts by people that were Christians, or atleast called themselves that, that committed acts that skewered that way.
What I would call bullocks is when someone sees a group of good-spirted Christian missionaries following the proper Christian way, and saying "oh, not that's not Christianity because of all these bad things other Christians have done...this is Buddhism."
With people that murder kids, steal children to raise them as part of their army, rape and torture for fun (several of these things are presented in actual footage at the very beginning of the film)...they're pretty much leaning toward the absolute evil side.
killingvector
01-26-2008, 06:46 PM
[QUOTE=killingvector;104495]Ah yes, the origin of imperialism and the worst foreign policy decisions of the past 150 years. Present administration, crusaders and missionaries included. Rambo of course tames by fire.
When there isn't much of a choice, yeah.
Christian way? Don't you mean the Buddhist way? I don't want to drag this into a religious debate but that mention of Christianity strikes me as bollocks considering the history of the faith. Plus notions of absolute 'good' and 'evil' are very rare in history and can be distorted by heads of state to mitigate acts of war. I don't believe this theme is strong at all.
No, I meant what I said, the way that these people were acting is the Christian way, what you're talking about are acts by people that were Christians, or atleast called themselves that, that committed atrocious acts that skewered that way.
With people that murder kids, steal children to raise them as part of their army, rape and torture for fun...they're much leaning toward the absolute evil side.
Why do you feel the need to bold everything you write? I can read normal text just fine.
Evil? Good? These are vague and antiquated notions of human behavior which obstructs ones ability to understand the root cause of said behavior. I doubt Rambo is a good enough example of what I am trying to articulate. Let history guide you.
If you are talking about an ideal, then it is not limited to Christianity. Every religion has an ideal behavior based on acceptance, love, and understanding of others. It is not only a 'Christian' ideal at all. It's actually a human one.
As for the 'taming' of mankind, there are scores of examples in history of nations seeded with these obsolete notions of 'good', 'evil', 'savage', 'civilized'. If you want to limit your generalization to this film and this film only, I understand what you are trying to say. But if this is some extension to the real world, I strongly take umbrage with this notion.
Apocalypto
01-26-2008, 06:49 PM
Why do you feel the need to bold everything you write? I can read normal text just fine.
When I'm typing in side of a quote, I do it to seperate my text from that of the other poster.
Evil? Good? These are vague and antiquated notions of human behavior which obstructs ones ability to understand the root cause of said behavior. I doubt Rambo is a good enough example of what I am trying to articulate. Let history guide you.
If you are talking about an ideal, then it is not limited to Christianity. Every religion has an ideal behavior based on acceptance, love, and understanding of others. It is not only a 'Christian' ideal at all. It's actually a human one.
As for the 'taming' of mankind, there are scores of examples in history of nations seeded with these obsolete notions of 'good', 'evil', 'savage', 'civilized'. If you want to limit your generalization to this film and this film only, I understand what you are trying to say. But if this is some extension to the real world, I strongly take umbrage with this notion.
Of course they do, not every religion has missionaries that go to under-privelaged areas with the intention of spreading the word of Christ as they try to provide help to the people though...that's rather specific. I did not say that goodness can only come from Christians. I said that the way that these people were acting was the proper Christian way, which it is.
When a group of people is resorting to the actions that I previously mentioned, they are, in my absolute evil.
If you feel that a group of people can torture, rape, kill, steal and murder children for fun or just to expand their army...and still not be absolute evil, than apparently we have vastly different ideas of absolute evil.
I don't see much room for a gray area with people that have no problem resorting to these types of tactics.
killingvector
01-26-2008, 07:00 PM
There are missionaries from all religious groups, with all manner of intentions. There have been countless examples in history of christian missionaries with very selfish intentions. But if you are limiting your example to this film alone, then I understand your point. But only in that very narrow context.
Again, to proclaim any group or individual as being 'absolute evil' obstructs one's ability to see the root cause of the behavior. 'Being evil' is not a categorical imperative when it comes to explaining human behavior. I think people love to enlist such explanations because it gives them comfort, but history tells a different story. hitler and Stalin were terrible men, but even their murderous ways were underlined by a deep seeded prejudice, insecurity, and thirst for control which developed in them as children. I never accept 'evil' as an explanation of any event or action. We are denizens of this world can do better to understand why man commits acts of inhumanity against other men. No religious mythologies are needed.
Just Jeans
01-26-2008, 08:10 PM
When I'm typing in side of a quote, I do it to seperate my text from that of the other poster.
How come you don't just use the quote feature properly, then? :confused:
Apocalypto
01-26-2008, 08:50 PM
There are missionaries from all religious groups, with all manner of intentions. There have been countless examples in history of christian missionaries with very selfish intentions. But if you are limiting your example to this film alone, then I understand your point. But only in that very narrow context.
Yes there are, but the ones in this film, which is who I was talking about, were Christians.
Yes, there have been Christians that have skewered the Christian way as I've already mentioned, but it's a rather moot point to a discussion about this film, since that doesn't happen in this film.
Again, to proclaim any group or individual as being 'absolute evil' obstructs one's ability to see the root cause of the behavior. 'Being evil' is not a categorical imperative when it comes to explaining human behavior. I think people love to enlist such explanations because it gives them comfort, but history tells a different story. hitler and Stalin were terrible men, but even their murderous ways were underlined by a deep seeded prejudice, insecurity, and thirst for control which developed in them as children. I never accept 'evil' as an explanation of any event or action. We are denizens of this world can do better to understand why man commits acts of inhumanity against other men. No religious mythologies are needed.
I don't particularly care about the cause of the behavior as it pertains to this topic, once people become the type to ruthlessly rape, torture, murder, beat and kill children, steal children from their parents, etc...they have become absolute evil, regardless of how they got that way.
Of course you can take a deep rooted look at how a person, or group of people got that way, but regardless of that, the point still stands that they did get that way and this is what they are.
Religious "mythology" isn't even really necessary to recognize good and evil, and someone whose actions are void of one or the other (deep-seated prejudice, insecurity, and thirst for power can be seen as forms evil btw).
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How come you don't just use the quote feature properly, then? :confused:
Eh, I find it just as easy either way, force of habit I suppose.
Just Jeans
01-26-2008, 11:13 PM
Eh, I find it just as easy either way, force of habit I suppose.
Yes, but it's hard on the eyes and not half difficult to keep up with. It also creates weird quoting issues (it's hard to re-quote with out quoting the wrong person -- in fact, I nearly quoted killingvector when responding to this message).
It's not that difficult to use the feature correctly, surely?
Sadly...a lot of people of told me they would rather see Meet the Spartens.:mad:
The Friday estimates are close -
#1: Meet the Spartans - $6,600,000
#2: Rambo - $6,490,000
Deathscythe
01-27-2008, 02:12 AM
Just got back from the theatre and liked it....nice closure to the series.
Also saw two kids from my English class getting tickets, didn't bother saying hi through.
The Dream Master
01-27-2008, 02:32 AM
I thought this was fantastic, and easily the second best in the series, but guys, it has to be said: this is just a remake of Rambo 3, is it not? Just substitute the Christian missionaries for Trautman, and it's the same movie, right down to the rebel forces bailing Rambo out. That said, this is a hell of a lot better than Rambo 3, so I can't complain too much. It still felt like we were re-treading old ground to a certain extent, which makes it seem less epic (for lack of a better term).
Anyway, I agree with pretty much everything that's been said so far. I agree with Zombie when he says the first 15-20 minutes could have been extended. I would have liked to have some more character moments with Rambo, but everything after this point is top notch. Honestly, I was hooked from the moment the classic theme kicked in at the beginning. Also, this one really has more heart than the other two sequels, even if nothing quite resonates as much as the final scene in First Blood (which remains the best in the series).
As for the ending, it's the best way to end the series. I remember Sly talking about this one possibly not being the end, so I was surprised to see Rambo "come full circle, as Trautman said in part 3.
Deathscythe
01-27-2008, 02:36 AM
Anyway, I agree with pretty much everything that's been said so far. I agree with Zombie when he says the first 15-20 minutes could have been extended. I would have liked to have some more character moments with Rambo, but everything after this point is top notch. Honestly, I was hooked from the moment the classic theme kicked in at the beginning.
That reminds me, some girl sitting two seats ahead of me said this film is boring.:mad:
What?? the last 15 minutes alone were worth the admission!
The Tall Man
01-27-2008, 05:03 AM
you kind of wonder why he just didn't stick with these kind of movies back then when he wanted to "explore" and basically almost ruin his career.
Sly, as an artist, didn't want (and didn't like) to repeat himself. That's just the way most serious actors and filmmakers are.
I didn't really see anything about pigs eating the people.
When Rambo is sneaking into the camp to rescue the missionaries, Rambo find a boar devouring the legs of one of the missionaries.
Brian Tyler is quickly becoming one of my favorite composers, he does an outstanding job of remixing the class "It's a Long Road..." theme,
I did just want to point this out: the end titles is not a new composition by Tyler. It is actually an unusued instrumental version of "It's a Long Road" that can be found on the "First Blood" soundtrack. Thought a few folks might have been confused by that.
I also got to catch the trailer for Midnight Meat Train. It looked disappointing and really reminded me of Candyman with the hook and all.
Visionary director Ryuhei Kitamura
BWHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHA!
The Friday estimates are close -
#1: Meet the Spartans - $6,600,000
#2: Rambo - $6,490,000
That's a goddamned shame. During TV spots of "Meet the Spartans", I would actually mute the TV and yell at it "Now when you decide to be funny, you can come back on." No. Really.
T.M.
Deathscythe
01-27-2008, 05:09 AM
Sly, as an artist, didn't want (and didn't like) to repeat himself. That's just the way most serious actors and filmmakers are.
Even by doing Spy Kids 3?:eek:
Apocalypto
01-27-2008, 06:13 AM
"I did just want to point this out: the end titles is not a new composition by Tyler. It is actually an unusued instrumental version of "It's a Long Road" that can be found on the "First Blood" soundtrack. Thought a few folks might have been confused by that."
What track?
I have the album, I didn't recognize it.
The Tall Man
01-27-2008, 06:16 AM
No. I was speaking predominantly when his career was in full swing. Sly did "Spy Kids 3" because it was the only thing offered to him at the time. And his daughter pathetically said to him "Yay! You're finally doing an important movie!"
Apocalypto, It's track 11 on my score soundtrack, "It's a Long Road (Insturmental)."
T.M.
Visionary director Ryuhei Kitamura
BWHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHA!
I forgot all about that. I think I tried to block it out mentally.
MysterioMan007
01-27-2008, 07:13 PM
Rambo 2008 was a decent movie, nothing more. It was loads better than Rambo II & III and doesn't even come close to touching the original First Blood. However, it was a good comeback for John Rambo. Nice to see it end the way it did. I did get a kick out of the group of teenagers sitting behind us who screamed out during the last battle scene, "This is the best half hour of my entire life!". Although I think Rocky Balboa's return was better done, this was as close to what you'd want for Rambo's return, considering the movies (outside of the first) were never all that deep to begin with.
Apocalypto
01-27-2008, 11:57 PM
This movie is every bit as deep as the first film was.
And the weekend estimates
#1: Meet the Spartans - $18.7 million
#2: Rambo - $18.1 million
The Spartans win the battle of the weekend, but Rambo will win the war of memorability.
Jack Bauer
01-28-2008, 12:20 AM
Just came back from seeing this and I love friggin' loved this. Every second of it. But two things pissed me off. The first thing was the back of the theater was filled, so myself and my brother had to sit up front. And the second thing was when we went to ordered the tickets, at least half of everyone there went to go see Meet the Spartans.
Also, did anyone catch the alt. version of First Blood's ending during Rambo's dream or nightmare? Because Troutman pulled out his gun and Rambo shoot himself in the stomach by grabbing it.
Deathscythe
01-28-2008, 12:26 AM
Date Movie in 06 made $48,548,426 and Epic Movie in 07 made $39,739,367 and they also both made only $18 in their first weekend. Rambo 2 and 3 both made around $20 million on their first weekend as well but their overall domestic was higher than Date/Epic Movies. I say Rambo has a chance of winning in the long run.
Just Jeans
01-28-2008, 12:42 AM
My step dad just popped in and asked if I wanted to go see Rambo tonight, so I'll post back with my thoughts after I get home.
Esten
01-28-2008, 12:42 AM
And the weekend estimates
#1: Meet the Spartans - $18.7 million
#2: Rambo - $18.1 million
The Spartans win the battle of the weekend, but Rambo will win the war of memorability.
Lets not forget that Rambo is a balls-to-the-wall R-Rated action movie, whilst Spartans is a PG-13 Comedy. Good Ol' JR is doing quite well.
I thought this was a fitting series capper, but Harvey Weinstein is thinking sequel (http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/wkd-box-office-slys-violent-rambo-cant-beat-300-spoof/) -
I just got off the phone with Harvey Weinstein whose Weinstein Co is co-distributing Rambo with Lionsgate, and he's remarkably bullish on Sly Stallone's prospects especially overseas. Harv estimated that Rambo, which took in $18.1 mil from 2,751 theaters its opening weekend, "will end up doing $50 mil here and $100M to $150M foreign. That's what usually happens since this franchise is really big overseas." He's already talking sequel and even has a plot in mind "bringing the character back to the United States". ... "I like the idea of an older guy kicking ass. Maybe it's because I'm older, too."
Just Jeans
01-28-2008, 01:25 AM
I thought this was a fitting series capper, but Harvey Weinstein thinking sequel...
Stallone was talking sequel months ago.
Yeah, but there's something about this one that kind of made me think/hope that Stallone would change his mind. It just feels like an ending.
Just Jeans
01-28-2008, 01:32 AM
I was hoping Rambo would die a warrior's death m'self. But the minute Stallone dropped the "S" bomb in that interview a while back -- was it with that walking ball of ginger hair, Harry Knowles? -- I knew twas not to be.
The Tall Man
01-28-2008, 03:17 AM
Lets not forget that Rambo is a balls-to-the-wall R-Rated action movie...
In all honestly, that R-rating is a joke. "Rambo" is a hard X.
I was hoping Rambo would die a warrior's death m'self.
The real ending is far more satisfying than that.
T.M.
Apocalypto
01-28-2008, 03:19 AM
I think this film has the absolutely perfect ending for the character and the entire series; but who am I kidding, I'll be there cheering like hell as many times as RAMBO comes back to kick bad guy ass all over the place.
Darth Sinister
01-28-2008, 04:02 AM
That reminds me, some girl sitting two seats ahead of me said this film is boring.:mad:
I would've reached over and slapped that bitch.
The Tall Man
01-28-2008, 06:11 AM
I'm hearing something a little troublesome. That "Meet the Spartans" may not have really beat Rambo at the box office. People are saying that a huge number of teenagers bought tickets for "Meet the Spartans" (because it's PG-13), but then snuck into Rambo.
Anybody else hearing anything like this?
T.M.
Just Jeans
01-28-2008, 07:04 AM
Just got back from seeing the film. It was really good. The word 'hardcore' doesn't even begin to describe it. I never felt it was boring, but I did think it sagged just slightly around the middle point (that may have just been the pain in my hip talking -- I have to take that into account when I go to the cinema these days, and I have to struggle against letting it warp my perception of a film).
The plot has about as much depth as a kiddie pool and the whole thing was rather predictable from beginning to end, but watching it all unfold affected me on many different levels. I was moved to the point of tears by the brutality of the massacre that occurred after Sarah's group arrived in the village.
It's been a long time since I've seen any of the previous films, so it's a little bit hard to compare it to the others, but RAMBO is a pretty good movie in its own right. I think it could have dug a little deeper into the moral implications of killing -- although it was nice to see Michael pushed to the point of defending himself with deadly force -- and the plot probably could have done with an extra 20 minutes or so to develop these themes better, but over all I'd say it was a strong 4 out of 5.
In all honestly, that R-rating is a joke. "Rambo" is a hard X.
I thought the same thing. I mean, don't get me wrong, there was some excellent gore in the film and I'm glad it made it through, but I think it perfectly illustrates the core problem with the MPAA. There's a bias against some films (in the horror genre in particular) and RAMBO illustrates that bias perfectly.
It's very surreal to me that films which depict graphic violence of a realistic nature can get away with it so long as they're considered artistically viable, but if a film has strong fantasy violence -- stuff that's so absurdly over the top it simply couldn't be real -- it gets butchered by the people at the MPAA.
The real ending is far more satisfying than that.
Depends on your perspective/expectations for the character. I liked the ending fine. I thought it was really appropriate. But do I think it's more satisfying than Rambo dying a warrior's death? Not really.
This movie is every bit as deep as the first film was.
I really liked this movie, but I think that's overstating it a bit. The subtext (if you can even call it that) was nothing new in this type of film, and the outcome (Rambo going home) was pretty much a foregone conclusion from the point Sarah said he should go back and see how things have changed.
Jack Bauer
01-28-2008, 07:53 AM
although it was nice to see Michael pushed to the point of defending himself with deadly force
You know Jeans, I was temped to yell out KICK HIS ASS, RYAN CHAPPELLE! when I saw that happened. It just shown that like when you pushed, anything could happened.
The Tall Man
01-28-2008, 08:36 AM
Depends on your perspective/expectations for the character. I liked the ending fine. I thought it was really appropriate. But do I think it's more satisfying than Rambo dying a warrior's death? Not really.
I just can't see that, I guess. These godless pieces of human trash should NOT have been the ones to take down Rambo. What happened in the movie is what I feel should have happened: they were annhilated by the wrath of Rambo... and ipso-facto, righteousness.
T.M.
I don't want Rambo to be killed, I want the guy to finally get some peace of mind in life. The one man who could've killed him lost his chance when they changed the ending of First Blood. And I really don't want Rambo to have to go on another killing spree after the ending of the new film.
If he has to take on someone in America... Drop the killing and have him follow in the footsteps of Mr. Smith and Billy Jack, put him on the Senate. Rambo Goes to Washington. ;)
Just Jeans
01-28-2008, 07:48 PM
I don't want Rambo to be killed, I want the guy to finally get some peace of mind in life.
I don't believe Rambo is capable of finding peace (and obviously neither does Stallone, or he wouldn't be thinking sequel), I think the character is too emotionally damaged.
It was nice to see Rambo going home, and I think he'll have an honest go at being a regular person, but I think the voice over we hear while he is working on the machete hit the nail on the head -- he's a natural born killer. Always was, always will be. Eventually he's going to have to go back to that way of life, and it's going to be devastating for him, particularly now that he's gone home.
I think the only way John Rambo will ever be at peace is in death.
The Tall Man
01-28-2008, 11:06 PM
Oh, well sure. I won't deny that. I'll say the same damned thing about myself. But I'm speaking from a strictly cinematic standpoint: Rambo shouldn't die. You're the only one who would enjoy seeing that it seems.
T.M.
Rambo seemed like he was at peace at the end of the last movie..
Jigsaw
01-29-2008, 12:25 AM
I've only seen First Blood, but I think I'll see this movie next week. It looks awesome. I still have to see Rambo 2 and 3 eventually.
Just Jeans
01-29-2008, 12:56 AM
You're the only one who would enjoy seeing that it seems.
Then I suppose it's a good thing I really don't care what other people think (in regards to my own hopes/dreams/et cetera).
But for the record -- and just to clear up any possible confusion -- I never said I'd enjoy seeing Rambo die, I said I think that's how the character's story should end (that's how it did end in the novel First Blood was based on).
There's a world of difference between thinking a character's journey should end a certain way and deriving pleasure out of that ending. And I think you know that, Tall.
The Tall Man
01-29-2008, 03:39 AM
The "First Blood" novel was awful. All the changes Sly made were for the better. It's no wonder it went through 10 years of development hell. Rambo as created by David Morell is not John Rambo as created by Sylvester Stallone. ("Rambo" was first name-less in the novel).
And actually, I didn't know that, Jeans. The way you talked it sounded as if that's what you wanted.
T.M.
Deathscythe
01-30-2008, 06:28 AM
Rambo:
Domestic Total as of Jan. 28, 2008: $19,581,227
Meet The Spartens:
Domestic Total as of Jan. 28, 2008: $19,383,211
Source - Box Office Mojo. Woot for Rambo.
Geddy Peart
01-30-2008, 03:08 PM
Saw the movie Monday, and it was one of the better action movies I've seen in a while. I like that Stallone brought this film back to the feeling of First Blood. However I don't think it's on par like I felt Rocky Balboa was with the first two films.
As for a sequel since Rambo goes home to his father's ranch, does anyone else think Stallone is still toying with the idea of Rambo fighting skinheads to save a little girl? I remember him saying a while ago that he had an idea like that where Rambo was living peacefully on a ranch somewhere when a local girl is kidnapped and Rambo goes looking for her.
The ending for Rambo could possibly have been a set up.
The Tall Man
01-30-2008, 07:44 PM
Geddy, I recall one of his scripts (or story ideas) featured Rambo and his new wife living in America and fighting a terrorist insurgance here (not Middle Eastern, just run of the mill terrorists).
T.M.
Sketch Sanchez
01-30-2008, 09:45 PM
I've only got time to say one thing.
RAMBO (THe only way to write this title) was one of the bloodiest movies I've ever seen-and I've seen plenty.
It was awesome.
That is all.
Apocalypto
01-30-2008, 11:00 PM
Rambo:
Domestic Total as of Jan. 28, 2008: $19,581,227
Meet The Spartens:
Domestic Total as of Jan. 28, 2008: $19,383,211
Source - Box Office Mojo. Woot for Rambo.
MTS is sinking like a freaking rock, it's already down to seventh.
The Tall Man
01-30-2008, 11:24 PM
Sketch, we'll be hard pressed to make a movie this year grue-ier than RAMBO.
T.M.
Apocalypto
01-30-2008, 11:41 PM
You'd be hard pressed to find one that was ever released in American theatres.
Sketch Sanchez
01-31-2008, 04:06 AM
Yeah, I was shocked by BATTLE ROYALE but RAMBO just took the cake and blew it to little bits
Just Jeans
01-31-2008, 04:44 AM
The "First Blood" novel was awful.
Be that as it may, I still think the ending was appropriate, and would have been appropriate in the film (particularly given that Rambo had been damaged to the point of psychosis by Vietnam).
And actually, I didn't know that, Jeans. The way you talked it sounded as if that's what you wanted.
In a way it is what I want, because I think it's an appropriate way for the character's journey to end. But that doesn't mean I derive some twisted joy from the idea.
RAMBO (THe only way to write this title) was one of the bloodiest movies I've ever seen-and I've seen plenty.
I told my step father on the way out of the cinema that RAMBO is probably the goriest film I've ever seen, that it was gorier than every film in the Friday the 13th franchise combined, and he said, "Really? I didn't notice."
It occurred to me then that public opinion about gore is heavily skewed. When it's a war film, the gore is incidental. You expect it, so it becomes a part of the background. But if it's a horror film we're talking about, then suddenly the gore becomes gratuitous and evil and oh won't someone think about the children.
Sketch Sanchez
01-31-2008, 05:10 AM
THats a good point Jeans.
I told my best friend the same thing I said here and aside from "Wow, thats saying alot considering all the fucked up horror films you show me" he also basically said what you said. THat slasher violence, for example, and gore is different than a bloody action movie. Its a different effect, different intent. I kinda agree, but doesnt change the fact that RAMBO had me cringing, yelping, screaming, all kinds of emotions and reactions I dont experiance much anymore.
ANother thing I loved about the film is that...it makes you think. Sounds funny to say I guess, but I mean the things Sly showed us were...eye opening. Seeing kids get shot and tortured, man-that takes balls to show us that.
The Tall Man
01-31-2008, 05:20 AM
Sketch he wasn't doing it to be gratitous... he made Rambo amped up the way it is because he wanted you, me, and the world to see what happens in Burma everyday that nobody cares about.
And that's how he got the MPAA on his side.
T.M.
Sketch Sanchez
01-31-2008, 05:25 AM
Yeah, I realize that.
Totally worked too.
Just Jeans
01-31-2008, 05:25 AM
I still think it's a shameful bias on the part of the MPAA, particularly when the violence in RAMBO is so visually realistic. Fantasy violence -- stuff that's obviously fake -- gets beaten back by the ratings board, but this realistic violence is peachy keen? It rubs me wrong.
Don't get me wrong, I agree with Stallone's intent and I'm glad he managed to get away with it, but that doesn't mean I appreciate the blatant bias displayed by the MPAA when it comes to how they rate films (Transformers is another good example of a film getting a certain rating because an influential filmmaker told the MPAA it should).
Apocalypto
01-31-2008, 05:45 AM
(Transformers is another good example of a film getting a certain rating because an influential filmmaker told the MPAA it should).
As is the film in my username, more brutal (and realistically brutal) than probably any horror movie that I recall seeing in theatres, or atleast the vast majority of them.
Sly kills Rambo 5 (http://chud.com/articles/articles/13473/1/SLY-KILLS-RAMBO-5/Page1.html)
I honestly don't know whether to be happy or sad about Sly's recent comments about John Rambo.
"This is the last Rambo just as Rocky Balboa is the last Rocky," Sylvester Stallone told The Guardian. "I can't go any further. It was a miracle that it even got done."
He seems to be of two minds on this subject.
Apocalypto
02-01-2008, 10:06 PM
I'm glad, I don't think it could've ended more perfectly.
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