A Nightmare on Elm Street 2: Freddy's Revenge

[BlakeTyner]

This one had it all...dark, demented Freddy plus all the homoerotic subtext you NEED, son. You've got the body...I've got the brain.

~BT

[Rich]

Although the story is not as good as Dream Warriors and nowhere near the league of the Wes Craven entries, but compaired to the middle sequels, this film is gold.

I think the best thing this movie really has going for it is Freddy's personality.

[CanadianFonzie]

part 2 and part 5 are both my absolute least favourites, I don't think I'll ever buy them, but they're good to rent every once and a while when I start to miss them

[Lammert]

It's got some great scenes and it stands on it own. ;)

[CanadianFonzie]

okay I've been puzzled for a couple of minutes here, what scenes are you speaking of? lol

[sCabbOy]

I personally liked it better than anything from Part 4 on. It was solid, creepy and... entertaining.

[CanadianFonzie]

the reason I don't like it compared to the others is it was too dramatic, if you ask me

[Brett H.]

It's got some great scenes and it stands on it own. ;)

I agree, Lammy. I never hated this one like others did, I actually found it to be better than most of the sequels. It had a good balance of comedy and horror, sort of like the first. Whereas 3 really veered off into fantasy and by 4 the series was changed forever. Jesse's basement was just downright creepy, and I love the "you've got the body and I've got the brain" part.

[Wheatjedi]

I personally liked it better than anything from Part 4 on. It was solid, creepy and... entertaining.

I totally agree. The first three were really good, and I also like 4 a lot.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

Freddy's Revenge is SO underrated, IMO. Alot of people hate on it, but I love it.

The movie had a such a dark atmosphere to it. One of the things I loved about it.

[sCabbOy]

Plus Clu Gulager kicked so much ass

[Wheatjedi]

Clu Gulager always kicks ass. :) I was sorry to read about Hope Lange passing away though. :(

[DavidDunn]

Hope Lange is dead?! R.I.P Cheryl Walsh. :(

[Rich]

okay I've been puzzled for a couple of minutes here, what scenes are you speaking of? lol

Perhaps these:

1. Freddy cuts himself out of Jesse's gut and pins the dude to the door and you see the bloody knives sticking out of the door.
2. "You're all my children now!"
3. "Try it on for size!"
4. "Daddy can't help you now! You've got the body! I got the brain!"
5. "Kill for me!"

[BlakeTyner]

I just re-watched Nightmare 2 last night, and I'm surprised to say that it's grown on me. Rich has detailed most of the things I like, but I'll add one: Freddy disappearing in the middle of jumping through the French doors. Nowadays that's not a huge effect, but I remember seeing that and going "how'd they do that?"

I could have done without the dancing-while-unpacking scene, and I wasn't really fond of the way the gym teacher bought it, but I thought the beginning of that scene, with Jesse having to run laps in the gym, was oddly spooky. The place being brightly lit is what does it, I think - it's so odd for an entire school gymnasium to be lit up for one or two people. It's one of those things that breaks the rule; darkness doesn't have a monopoly on atmosphere.

~BT

PS. A titshot would have been nice in that flick.

[The Dream Master]

I'd add Freddy's "Help yourself, fucker" line to Rich's list of badass scenes. Freddy was so fucking mean-spirited in this movie, it's not even funny. He was going to get Jesse to kill his own little sister for Christ's sake.

[sCabbOy]

The unpacking dance scene was golden.

[Fan of Freddy]

You know, this is probably the only one in the series I didn't come to enjoy at one time or another. Aside from perhaps the darkest Freddy pre New Nightmare it did nothing for me. There are quite a few things I would have changed or done differently.

Though I will admit, Freddy had some of his best lines here, no doubt.

"Help yourself, Fucker."

~F.o.F

[CampNewBlood]

This one had it all...dark, demented Freddy plus all the homoerotic subtext you NEED, son. You've got the body...I've got the brain.

~BT


I agree Blake....Part 2 is my favrotie, alongside part 1. I am surprised at how much subtext was in it....especially for 1985. Great movie.

[Deathscythe]

Freddy was awesome in this movie, the makeup was welldone.

[Fan of Freddy]

The cool thing about the makeup in 1 and 2 is that they closely studied actual 3rd degree burn victims to get a better idea of how thier features were effected. It added to the sense of realism with Freddy in the movies.

[Speck]

I love that song "Whisper to a Scream" that's playing while Lisa & Jesse are making out.

[DavidDunn]

Freddy was awesome in this movie, the makeup was welldone.

I agree. David Miller may have set the standard, but Kevin Yagher took it to the next level. Have you ever noticed that on most Freddy toys and stuff that the picture of Freddy is most usually always from Nightmare 2? The Movie Maniacs Series 1 Freddy, the Freddy's Glove toy, and just about everything else has one of Robert's ANOES 2 promo shots on it. Either that or the promo shot from ANOES 4 with Freddy wearing the coat and grinning.

[The Dream Master]

The first Sideshow Freddy figure was also modeled after his appearance in Freddy's Revenge.

[WestinHillsDays]

I love that song "Whisper to a Scream" that's playing while Lisa & Jesse are making out.

"On The Air tonight" is another great song.

[The Tall Man]

Have you ever noticed that on most Freddy toys and stuff that the picture of Freddy is most usually always from Nightmare 2? The Freddy's Glove toy, and just about everything else has one of Robert's ANOES 2 promo shots on it.
Those are actually promo pictures from Nightmare 3.

T.M.

[DavidDunn]

Those are actually promo pictures from Nightmare 3.

T.M.

Are you sure about that? This is a link to the Nightmare 2 Promotional pics gallery on the Nightmare on Elm Street companion.

http://nightmareonelmstreetfilms.com/0/2p/index.html
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m152/Kyle_XY/point2-1.jpg
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m152/Kyle_XY/point.jpg

[The Tall Man]

EDITEDWait a minute... WTF?! When did they change the packaging on the toy Freddy gloves?!? For like 20 years, they sold Freddy gloves with a big publicity pic from Nightmare 3 on the packaging. When did these gloves come out??

T.M.

[Dead Cell]

I LOVE part 2. Love it, love it, love it. It was the most UN-intentionally hilarious Elm Street of all time. The final line of the film still boggles the mind.

"Hey, Lisa; great party."

Um... thank-you? We're still cleaning the blood out of the pool. But watch Jesse's face the moment right after when Freddy's claw bursts out of that girls' chest.

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! :lmao:

Omg, man, I so need to watch this again now.

[Deathscythe]

This movie was ok I guess, I didn't really like the main characters in this movie. Freddy was great through.

I'll just say I can stand to watch this movie and leave it like that.

[Joshg]

Almost as good as the first IMO. It's classic, and I'd give it 8/10. Parts 3 and 4 were pretty good too, but I think the development in Part II of the characters, plus the score, passed it by those sequels, just a smidge.

[DavidDunn]

But watch Jesse's face the moment right after when Freddy's claw bursts out of that girls' chest.

I loved the expressions on everyone's faces when Freddy's glove erupted from Kerry's chest. Jesse and Lisa screamed in terror, off cue, by the way. They screamed about two seconds before the glove even plunged out. You can even notice the frame changing to create the effect. And as for Kerry, well, she had that "you penis size intimidates me" look on her face. It wasn't like "JESUS! A HAND IS RIPPING MY INSIDES APART!" it was more like "Wow! A hand is coming out of my chest! How did I do that?" For example:
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m152/Kyle_XY/NIGHTMARE_ON_ELM_STREET_PART_2DVDLI.jpg
She's got that "Dirk Diggler" look about her, doesn't she? And is it just me, or do Jesse and Lisa look like they're laughing?

[James M]

Someone needs to re-edit that scene, after the hand bursts out and and everyone screams, freeze frame it and add in some comedy music. Do-do do, do-do-do, *honk*. Maybe add in laughing too...Jesse looks like he finds Kerry's trick a real knee slapper.

[sCabbOy]

That scene rocked... even if off cue.

[Joshg]

The offbeat scene added to the feel of Part II. It shows that cheap tricks can be used for pure entertainment. Haha! :)

[Wheatjedi]

I'm so gonna watch this today. I don't think I've seen it in three years at least, but I remember it having several wonderfully creepy scenes.

BTW.... posts 32 and 33 had me laughing my ass off. :)

[DavidDunn]

BTW.... posts 32 and 33 had me laughing my ass off. :)

(Takes a bow)

I stand by my performance.:lmao:

[The Dream Master]

EDITEDWait a minute... WTF?! When did they change the packaging on the toy Freddy gloves?!? For like 20 years, they sold Freddy gloves with a big publicity pic from Nightmare 3 on the packaging. When did these gloves come out??

T.M.

That glove has the New Line House of Horror logo, which is something NLC has been doing recently (as in the past few years), so I guess it's pretty new.

I have the packaging thing for the old glove on my wall, and it is indeed a Dream Warriors promo shot.

[A. Remin' D.]

I love, and always have loved Freddy's Revenge. :)

I remember when I was seven, I went over to one of my friend's houses, and we went to the gas station to pick out some movies. I picked NOES 2 because I hadn't seen that one yet, but I already loved Freddy. His dad wouldn't let us watch that one at night, but he would let us watch H20 at night. I guess he knew NOES 2 was pretty scary. :lol:

EDITEDWait a minute... WTF?! When did they change the packaging on the toy Freddy gloves?!? For like 20 years, they sold Freddy gloves with a big publicity pic from Nightmare 3 on the packaging. When did these gloves come out??

T.M.

That's the metal glove. Just this passed Halloween, I bought a plastic Freddy glove, and it had the classic old box.

[Wheatjedi]

Question about that metal glove......

Is it new? I've never seen it. Where can it be found, and how much does it cost?

Nevermind. I did a Google search and found it. $50 isn't bad....

[Myers, Michael]

I love the dark atmosphere in the movie. I wish it fit better in the continuity of the rest of the series, but I like it better then a lot of the movies that do. Freddy's look in this is also great. He just looks so dark and evil more then his rubbery looking skin in some of the later sequels.

[sCabbOy]

People call fredd's Revenge the "A NEw Beginning" of the franchise, when I think it's the Friday The 13th 2 of the franchise. Doesn't get nearly the accolades it deserves... a bit different than the rest but as good or better.

[Wheatjedi]

Yeah... I tend to see it mentioned in reviews along with Friday 5 and Halloween 6 as the low point of its series. I don't really agree with any of those opinions though.

[sCabbOy]

I'd never even call ANB a low point in the F13th series. In fact, IMo it's better than anything that came after it.

Freddy's Revenge is my 3rd favorite and again I feel it's better than anything after ANOES 3.

[Wheatjedi]

I'd never even call ANB a low point in the F13th series. In fact, IMo it's better than anything that came after it.

I agree in that I wouldn't call it the low point either. I do like a few that came after it better though.

[The Tall Man]

Scabboy, from a technical standpoint, Friday 5 is awful. It was directed by a porn director, fer cryin' out loud.

T.M.

[The Dream Master]

Yep, I was just watching ANB the other day, and it still looks like it could be a made for TV movie at times. It's still good fun though.

[sCabbOy]

Scabboy, from a technical standpoint, Friday 5 is awful. It was directed by a porn director, fer cryin' out loud.

T.M.

Cunningham also directed porn. I believe that Craven and Joe Zito did as well.

Technically, yeah there's flaws... but the cinematography isn't any worse than the rest. The directing isn't any worse either. People give credit to the overall movie's look to the director when in reality it's usually the director of photography's credit how the movie looks. They are in controll of the lighting, angles, etc.

The director tells people when to say things, how to say it where to stand, walk, etc. What I am saying is breakng the movie down the flaws within it are pretty much the same flaws in most of the other movies.

[Geddy Peart]

I've grown to really like NOES 2, I didn't alweays because the over-the-top acting and homosexual undertones (they're there, don't deny it) but I''ve come to accept them as some of the film's quirks that made it original. As did the possession plot. I always thought that was very unique.

And the faults IMO, are far over-shadowed by the atmosphere, plot, music and of course Robert E. as ol' pizza face.

"You're All My Children Now." - best/creepiest Freddy line ever!

[The Dream Master]

I really liked when Englund delivered that line in WCNN, too. It was my favorite moment in WCNN when I first saw it because I really didn't "get" that movie at all. I was only ten years old, so I thought that moment was the only "real" Freddy moment in the whole thing.

[Brett H.]

Another thing I love about NOES 2, Clu actually says the line "it's that damned cheap seed you've been buying" with a straight face. If Clu is convinced that cheap good can make you violently explode, I'm convinced.

[sCabbOy]

Or Freddy's "Help yourself fucker".

The movie seriously had a dark tone... When Jesse went into his sister's room was he going to killer her or molest her? Freddy liked them youngins, so it could have been either way?

[DavidDunn]

I know what you mean, scab. I'd have given anything to have seen that scene from a different angle, just to see Jesse fighting off Freddy's influence using all of his resolve to keep Freddy from using him to kill his sister. I imagine that it had to be painful for Jesse to fight him back.

[Lammert]

I love Nightmare 2... the ending in the factory is a bit dull and boring, but the rest is awesome.
I also like the sexuality aspect in the movie becuase it adds somekind of extra 'darkness' to the movie.

[Wheatjedi]

I watched this film tonight for the first time in years, and I have to say that I enjoyed it a lot more than I remembered. I've always liked it, but I'd forgotten just how mean and scary Freddy was in this film.

[Deathscythe]

I just realized, Freddy says in Freddy vs. Jason that he always had a thing for people in the house. Does that mean he has a thing for Jesse? :D

[Wheatjedi]

Actually, I think the line was something like, "I've always had a thing for the whores who live in this house." I don't think Freddy dug Jesse's chili.

[The Tall Man]

Yep. That's Freddy's mysogony (sp?) rearing it's head again.

Man, Freddy had issues with women. Nobody can crank out a "bitch" the way he does.

T.M.

[The Dream Master]

Please, we all know that Jesse was Freddy's whore.

"You've got the body, I've got the brains" is a reference to that, as Freddy's first plan was to pimp Jesse out (why do you think he sent him to the S&M joint?).

[Brett H.]

I truly think Freddy (Freddye?) is gay, not Jesse.

[The Dream Master]

Nah, Freddy's bi-sexual at least.

[The Tall Man]

Freddy is above our sexuality. He can be a guy, a girl, a whatever. He's above it all.

T.M.

[sCabbOy]

I'm sure Freddy liked those young boys... so I say he does like the penis.

[Brett H.]

All I know, if I was Jesse, I'd be sleeping with my butt cheeks duct taped together.

[DavidDunn]

YOWZA!!! Pretty "heads up play", Freddy.
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m152/Kyle_XY/NIGHTMARE_ON_ELM_STREET_PART_2DV-1.jpg

[CampNewBlood]

LOL.....Well, we do know Freddy liked whipping the coach in the showers.....lol.

[Lammert]

He also liked stripping the coach ;)

[Joshg]

Ever notice how Jesse's father is always touching him. Like, when he's semi-naked after a dream, (look at his leg), or when he returns home after the naked rainstorm...hey! Why is it Jesse is always bearing some part of his body in ANOES 2? :D

[The Tall Man]

I don't think Freddy LIKED doing those things to Schnieder (well he DID, but not for the reasons you think). I believe he did those things to instill the fear in this S&M homosexual guy. Nothing more.

T.M.

[Ron]

part 2 was probably the last we'll ever see of a dark freddy.

[Joshg]

Sadly, I think you're right Peter.

[The Tall Man]

Peter, yes it is because general audiences want Funny Freddy and they're who these movies rise or fall with, not horror fans.

T.M.

[DavidDunn]

I don't think Freddy LIKED doing those things to Schnieder (well he DID, but not for the reasons you think). I believe he did those things to instill the fear in this S&M homosexual guy. Nothing more.

T.M.

That's always been my theory on the matter, too. Everyone screams about why Freddy would tie the man up, strip him down, beat him with towels, and then open his spinal column. It's always applied to the whole gay analogy, but I think that that whole "connection" comes from those that don't look at the film deeply enough. We're talking about a man that turns a victim's fears against them. Look at Debbie from Part 4. Her fear was of cockroaches. Her fate? To be transformed into one, and die like one. In Freddy's Dead, Carlos' greatest fears were of his abusive mother, and never being able to fully hear again. And so, Freddy turned into Carlos' mother, took his hearing from him, gave him the supersonic hearing aid, and killed him with a total decibel overload.

It could be said that Schnieder feared persecution. He could be a homosexual male that is mostly in the closet and fears those that are violently homophobic. He probably feared being lured into sex by a stranger, tied up, and find out that this stranger has trapped him into a beating. That's at least how I always saw it. Freddy is the master of fear, and this is a logical fear that Schnieder would have. On the Nightmare forums, we always called it "bondage gone wrong."

[Speck]

Do you think Coach Schneider was planning to tie Jesse up with those jump ropes and rape him? He looked like he was planning to do something with them the way he laid them out.

[DavidDunn]

I truly believe that he was planning on raping Jesse. I mean, he wouldn't just take him to the school, let him run a few laps, and leave, would he? This is a guy trying to keep his lifestyle a secret, so raping Jesse would serve as some good blackmail, while also giving Schneider his own "needs". The lap running was probably just Schneider's foreplay for the main event in the shower room.

[Dead Cell]

That was some truly awesome analysis there, DavidDunn. Never looked at it that way before. Of course, I never took it as Freddy getting off on stripping down guys either.

ANYWAY! Just watched this movie for the first time since buying the box set last night, and I have to say they did an AMAZING job remastering it. Where everything was pitch black shadows on the vhs, you can see detail now in the dvd. For the first time ever I was really able to see the amazing make-up that Freddy was sporting in this movie. Quite possibly one of the best burn jobs I've ever seen him with. For the first time I got to really see the boiler room in the big finale. This is probably my favorite boiler room they've ever used. I love the huge machinery and the sheer size of the thing. It almost has a gothic flare about it.

So here's the deal; I watched part 4 recently and my estimation of that movie had gone down a little. I was very surprised. So I got to thinking, I wonder how well part 2 holds up? I just watched Friday 5 and that movie went up a notch in my view. Maybe the same will be true for Elm Street 2!

Or not. The improved visuals aside, this movie is pretty much how I remember it. Not the worst, not the best. I still rank it higher than part 6 and ... mmmm.... yeah part 5 too. If part 2 has nothing else going for it, it IS ungodly funny!

Lisa's still cute.
Terri's still flat.
Grady's still my favorite.
Jesse's still... Jesse.
Schneider still chomps his gum.
Freddy's good and evil.
Mr. Walsh is still hilarious. He should be required by law to say "Aw c'mon Cheryl," at the start of every sentence. :p

Some favorite scenes/moments:

Lunch in the cafeteria! Grady's talking with his mouth full. That alone makes all his dialogue hilarious. Also how casual he is about pushing his grandma down the stairs.

After the parakeet blew up: Mr. Walsh is checking the gas line on the stove and says to Jesse, "You set this whole thing up. What'd you use? You know what he did? He used a goddamn cherry bomb!" Just awesome. And if true, then that's just incredible. Parakeets are tiny birds.

Jesse gets out of bed the 1st time... and adjusts his dick. Oooo-kay.

And I love how his mom and Lisa catch him dancing on his bed doing the bad things to the... whatever that thing was and Mrs. Walsh says with a big grin on her face, "I'll just leave you two alone."
YEAH, Mrs. Walsh! Hooking her son up!

15 minutes later downstairs:

Mr. Walsh: What's all that pounding? Is he cleaning his room or destroying it?
Mrs. Walsh: Just read your paper, dear.

Um... what else? The pacing was definitely a bit different when compared to other Elm Streets. This one felt much slower, and that's even with Schneider's death being moved to an earlier scene (for those that have read "The Nightmare Never Ends," Schneider's death scene originally occured later in the movie, but test audiences needed some action sooner than that). When I see people from New Line Cinema talk about this movie, it's always with a bit of embarrassment. They say that they realized what a major hit they had with part 1 and needed a sequel as soon as possible. In the process of rushing out part 2, they broke several of the key Elm Street rules. Like, Freddy can't use his crazy powers in the real world. I've also seen a lot of confusion about this movie; like why can Freddy possess people in other movies so quickly, but here it takes him the whole movie to control Jesse?

So, a quick explanation for both. Yes, in other movies Freddy can possess a person in their dreams rather quickly and take control of them in the real world. However, in both cases (Dillon and Freeburg) notice that he doesn't have any of his powers.
Back to Nightmare 2- Freddy spends the entire movie gradually wearing down Jesse, weakening his defenses until he's able to affect a much more drastic possession over his body. You'll notice that it's only with Jesse that Freddy can manifest in the real world, sweater and all.
His plan was not just to get into the real world and start killing people. Why bother? He can do that easily enough when they're asleep. But if he could get in the real world and bring his powers with him- he'd be unstoppable and wouldn't have to wait for anyone to fall asleep. And he could go after several people at once instead of just one at a time.
By wearing Jesse down and taking FULL possession of him, he's able to do this. So when New Line Cinema gets all embarrassed over the scene where Freddy jumps through the glass door, disappears, and then reappears, I really don't see the problem.

[The Dream Master]

Dead Cell, you are absolutely right about the restoration of Nightmare 2. It was a fucking revelation seeing it on DVD. You could actually see things!

[Dead Cell]

I know! It's a whole different movie now! I could actually see Freddy's evil grin when he appeared in Grady's room and his sneer and little head-nod as he approached for the kill. I swear, there were things in this movie I never knew were there!

[Deathscythe]

That's always been my theory on the matter, too. Everyone screams about why Freddy would tie the man up, strip him down, beat him with towels, and then open his spinal column. It's always applied to the whole gay analogy, but I think that that whole "connection" comes from those that don't look at the film deeply enough. We're talking about a man that turns a victim's fears against them. Look at Debbie from Part 4. Her fear was of cockroaches. Her fate? To be transformed into one, and die like one. In Freddy's Dead, Carlos' greatest fears were of his abusive mother, and never being able to fully hear again. And so, Freddy turned into Carlos' mother, took his hearing from him, gave him the supersonic hearing aid, and killed him with a total decibel overload.

So, what was Spencers fear? His dad being a video game character?

[DavidDunn]

Well, more of conforming to his dad's ways, but we're talking about Spencer's kill in Freddy's Dead, here. It was a total product placement for Nintendo, (POWER GLOVE!) as well as one of the many brainfarts that Rachel Talalay seeped out for this travesty. In my opinion, the grunge atmosphere, John Doe's falling from the sky, and Carlos' death were all that she got right.

[The Tall Man]

^^^ How do you know that wasn't Mike De Luca's doing, David? The truth is we don't know what Rachel wrote and what Mike wrote.

T.M.

[DavidDunn]

Well, I don't, but I've always found it easier to place center blame on her since she directed the pile although she was someone that probably should've understood how Freddy should work, being production manager on the first two and a producer of 3 and 4 and all. In the words of Master Shake, "they're both yo-yo's!". She developed the story, he wrote the screenplay. They're both responsible for such mindshits as "No screamin' while the bus is in motion!" and "In dreams I am FOREVER! Too bad you're not.". You've got to admit, they kind of did bastardize Wes Craven's creation.

And this is something that I found on Wikipedia. I remember it well because Talalay's little quote is so laughable: "A 16-year-old Jacob Johnson, the son that was born to Alice Johnson in the previous installment, A Nightmare on Elm Street 5: The Dream Child, was a major character in the original script. In this first draft of the film, Alice, now in her thirties, was killed by Freddy. Taryn, Joey, and Kincaid from A Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors also returned as the "Dream Police". In the script, Taryn was the "Blade Cop", Joey was the "Sound Cop", and Kincaid was the "Power Cop". Director Rachel Talalay has stated that she greatly disliked the original script and that the rewritten version "saved the day"."

The Dream Police shit is forgettable, but at least it exhibits a little more continuity than her "day-saving" turkey.

[The Tall Man]

Well, I like Freddy's Dead, so I got no problems. Talalay's direction is the weakest aspect of it as far as I'm concerned (she gives you NO clue Lisa is Krueger's child). Bob should have done it... or they shouldn't have saddled Talalay with the 3-D thing (which she said she hated because she had planned a finale to top Nightmare 4, but couldn't do it because of the budget 3-D restrictions).

T.M.

[Ron]

yeah, the whole 3-D sequence was bullshit..i liked that movie, but it SHOULD have been so much more having that title.

[DavidDunn]

Ah, to each his own. In my opinion, if they had invested as much time into the story and the direction as much as they invested into the lame 3-D effects, it would've been a worthy finale. That's just my two cents. The one reason why I like this film is because I love the early '90s atmosphere.

[Ron]

Ah, to each his own. In my opinion, if they had invested as much time into the story and the direction as much as they invested into the lame 3-D effects, it would've been a worthy finale. That's just my two cents. The one reason why I like this film is because I love the early '90s atmosphere.

yeah you can't beat a roseanne cameo..or can you:side:

[El Rooto]

http://www.headinjurytheater.com/images/freddy2%20freddy%20ending%20pop%20out.jpg

They're laughing. Or so I pretend.

[nottidelterrore]

I've always enjoyed this movie. It's not as bad as everyone makes it out to be. It's my third favourite entry in the series behind the original & Dream Warriors.

[Kane Lives]

I've always enjoyed this film too. Not the best of the series, but certainly not the worst IMO.


I think the fact that it comes between possibly the two best entries in the franchise contributes a lot to the film looking out of place. But, it was dark and attempted to do something different.

It also has several standout moments IMO such as the opening school bus nightmare, Freddy attempting to make Jesse kill his little Sister, Freddy ripping out of Jesse in Grady's room, and Freddy slashing his way through the pool party.

It also has some great Freddy lines such as "You've got the body... I've got the brain" and "Help yourself, F*cker!" :D

[Fowlees]

I've always enjoyed this movie. It's not as bad as everyone makes it out to be. It's my third favourite entry in the series behind the original & Dream Warriors.

I agree with you there. The characterisation in this episode is key to making it a likeable film as I don't think the storyline itself offers too much.

Such characters as Jesse, Robert Russlers character (forget his name), Coach Schneider, and of course Jesse's Dad make this film tick along quite nicely.:freddy:

[El Rooto]

I LOVE this one. It's just so mean and dark.

[nottidelterrore]

I agree with you there. The characterisation in this episode is key to making it a likeable film as I don't think the storyline itself offers too much.

Such characters as Jesse, Robert Russlers character (forget his name), Coach Schneider, and of course Jesse's Dad make this film tick along quite nicely.:freddy:

Agreed. I like the characters in this movie, especially Grady(Robert Russler). It's kind of odd seeing Coach Schneider aka Quato at an S&M joint with Bob Shaye pouring drinks! Jesse's dad was great. Clu Gulager is great. :D

[Fowlees]

Grady, thats right...thats his name.

[simonthekillerewok]

It's such a shame that many horror fans treat this film like the way they treat F13th part 5- like it's the ugly step child of the series... It has a totally different concept compared to the other sequels that just re-hash the original concept. This is such an underrated movie.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

It's such a shame that many horror fans treat this film like the way they treat F13th part 5- like it's the ugly step child of the series... It has a totally different concept compared to the other sequels that just re-hash the original concept. This is such an underrated movie.

I couldn't agree more. It has a totally different concept, but it's really interesting. But most fans seem to hate it for some reason. :(

[Dead Cell]

In defense of Rachael Talalay, she was distracted with Tank Girl while making Freddy's Dead. And since I really like the cheese-filled goodness of Tank Girl, I can't fault her too much.

All the same, Freddy's Dead failed as the so-called "Final Nightmare" for the simple reason that it never took itself seriously. When Freddy broke the 4th wall and gave the audience the "Shhh" sign while stalking Carlos, it was officially a lost cause. There was no sense of urgency or tension or finality about any of it. And when none of those things are present, when the movie itself doesn't seem to care, it's hard to regard it as the final word on Freddy Krueger.

[Jigsaw]

I've always liked Nightmare 2 and never understood the hatred towards it. I'd rank fourth in the series (after NN, DW and Nightmare 1).

[Scarecrow]

I think the problem with Freddy's Dead ois despite the whole "every town has an elm street" thing it still feels so small. The town feels tiny and the finale takes place in a tiny little room in the basement. It feels very set-y to me. It's more a cleebration of Freddy as a cultural icon than an epic horror final IMO.

Part 2 is also weak but for very different reasons, IMO. It has the whole subtext going on that could be viewed as somewhat homophobic, but also it could be the oppisite, depends on your reading of the text. But either way it doesn't really touch on the ideas and themes of the NOES films, acting more as a haunted house film for the most part.


- Scarecrow

[The Tall Man]

Talalay wanted a "death that would top Nightmare 4" for Freddy in FD... but that went out the window when she was saddled with the 3-D ending concept.

T.M.

[NETRA]

It has the whole subtext going on that could be viewed as somewhat homophobic, but also it could be the opposite, depends on your reading of the text.

I've never heard of any gay viewers getting cheesed off. But I suppose the test would be to watch it with a homosexual and gauge his reaction.

it doesn't really touch on the ideas and themes of the NOES films, acting more as a haunted house film for the most part.

I used to agree with you. The first time I watched Part 2 I disliked it. But it grew on me over time. I think it's the Jesse character that works for me. I'm drawn into the movie's happenings (such as they are) through him.

[Dead Cell]

Talalay wanted a "death that would top Nightmare 4" for Freddy in FD... but that went out the window when she was saddled with the 3-D ending concept.

Any idea what it was supposed to be like?

[Joe Strummer]

Don't remember much about this one except for the scene in the kid's bedroom or something and the poolside freddy going apeshit.. I do remember that I hated the movie tho. I thought it was shit compared to nightmare 1.

[Dead Cell]

Oh it is.

It has its own little charm and I always get a good laugh out of it, but compared to Nightmare 1 it can't really compare.

[Joshg]

In a way, I kind of agree...except for it being "shit".

Nightmare 1, though it took a while, is my favorite of the series because it was fun, and fresh. Nightmare 2 is fun, it's fresh, and hell, it's even darker! But Nightmare 1 was executed better on purpose. NOES2:FR kind of became a good film by accident...or so they say...but I never believed that.

[nottidelterrore]

This movie also contains my favourite Freddy line:

"Help yourself, fucker!"

The pool party massacre is a fun scene.

[Speck]

http://www.headinjurytheater.com/images/freddy2%20freddy%20ending%20pop%20out.jpg

They're laughing. Or so I pretend.

You know what's funny about that shot? The fact that they start screaming before Freddy's glove comes out of her stomach. Watch it in slow motion, you'll see what I'm talking about.

[Esten]

There's also a huge jumpcut during that.

[Lance Lives]

The dance scene is epic:p

I really do think this has the best opening of any Nightmare movie. The bus teetering on that rock is truely something out of one of my nightmare and I really think they did it well.

[Kane Lives]

The bus teetering on that rock is truely something out of one of my nightmare and I really think they did it well.


It took me many years to really recognize that sequence like I do today. I'm not sure why, because I agree, it was very good.

[Jigsaw]

This movie also contains my favourite Freddy line:

"Help yourself, fucker!"


Same here. That's my favorite Freddy quote.

[nottidelterrore]

There's also a huge jumpcut during that.

Indeed. It's very obvious too.

I'm glad many of you here enjoy this movie. It's really not as bad as people claim it to be. There isn't a whole lot wrong with it to begin with.

[Lance Lives]

I guess you're right that it isn't that bad but it is by far the worst in the series I think. I realize they were still going for dark Freddy and stuff but they really just did alot of stuff wrong. I mean, was that bondage bar there for laughs or was it supposed to a typical place that a teenager would want to go? And come on, the teacher's death is TERRIBLE. It's a shame they didn't feel the need to have the main character be naked alot when it was Heather Langenkamp instead of this fella.

[Esten]

Freddy's Revenge = extremely entertaining. Dream Child = very, very boring.

That puts 2 miles ahead of 5.

[Brett H.]

Freddy's Revenge = extremely entertaining. Dream Child = very, very boring.

That puts 2 miles ahead of 5.

I try to like Dream Child every time...

I like NOES 2, regardless of what anyone says. It's pretty atmospheric and I really don't see why people hate it so much. It's not like it's totally boring or is shot terribly or isn't innovative.

[Lance Lives]

I saw part 5 comparisons coming the minute I made that thread, but I like part 5. Not as much as part 4 or 3 but I like it. It's cool that they were continuing Alice's story and I really like alot of the imagery, especially the Escher environment towards the end.
Sure, part 2 had Clu in it but that doesn't make up for everything else. How about that scene with the snake? How the hell did that guy put it in his shirt and the teacher didn't notice?

[nottidelterrore]

Freddy's Revenge = extremely entertaining. Dream Child = very, very boring.

That puts 2 miles ahead of 5.

Agreed. Part 5 does have its moments though. Mark, the comic book loving skateboarder is one of my favourite characters in the entire series. His death was pretty cool.

[Deathscythe]

Freddy's Revenge = extremely entertaining. Dream Child = very, very boring.

That puts 2 miles ahead of 5.

Odd, I thought NoES2 was pretty boring and NoES5 was entertaining. Whatever, I still like NoES2 through.

[The Tall Man]

Freddy's Revenge = extremely entertaining. Dream Child = very, very boring.

That puts 2 miles ahead of 5.
Psh. Super Freddy puts 5 3 1/2 miles ahead of 2. ;)

T.M.

[Kane Lives]

I don't think I've ever found either Freddy's Revenge or The Dream Child to be boring, but I've always liked Nightmare 2 much more.


Nightmare 2 is often bashed for having a male lead. But, I liked that aspect of it and that it shifts it's focus to a heroine by the end, and find the whole film unique for that reason. The Dream Child had a decent first hour I thought, but basically ruins it all for me with it's last act.

[The Dream Master]

I like Dream Child, but it completely falls apart if you over-think it, and Esten has the best explanation for this: the writers were retarded.

I always go back and forth as to which NOES film is my least favorite, but it always comes down between 2 and 5 for some reason. In the end, I have to give the (dis)honor to Dream Child. Still, if I had to choose, I'd watch the worst Elm Street film before watching the best Friday the 13th, so that tells you how highly I regard the series.

[Deathscythe]

My vote for worst is either Freddy's Dead or Freddy vs. Jason, just can't get behind those two.

[The Dream Master]

You know, I always forget about Freddy vs. Jason. That's probably my least favorite film featuring Freddy, I guess. It was skewed far too much towards F13 in terms of characterization and acting. It's still alot of fun, and I like it, but I'd rather just watch the first 7 NOES films before FvJ.

[Lance Lives]

I've already said that I think part 2 is the worst but Freddy's Dead is pretty damn bad too. For some reason it's just a way more fun flick to watch, along the lines of Jason Takes Manhattan. I realize they are bad but I just can't help but have a good time watching them, which puts Freddy's Dead above part 2 in my book.

[Deathscythe]

I didn't find Jason Takes Manhattan entertaining at all. Out of the big 3 series, I honestly find Jason Takes Manhattan to be the worst.

[Jigsaw]

While TDM is my least favorite NOES, it has it's moments and for a movie that's the worst of it's series, it's not too bad, especially when you compare it to the worst installments of other film sagas.

[Lance Lives]

It may be nostalgia that keeps the soft spot in my heart for Jason Takes Manhattan or it may be something else, but regardless it's there. In my opinion, Friday 5 is by far the worst of all the big three series, excluding anything after Halloween 6.

[Jigsaw]

I think Jason X by a long shot is the worst of the big three's sagas. After that would probably be JGTH, JTM and Halloween: Resurrection.

[The Dream Master]

If I had to pick the worst of the "big three," I'd have to say it's a tie between H:R and Jason X, but H20 gets a (dis)honorable mention.

[Jigsaw]

I seem to be one of the few on here who likes H20. I found it entertaining and a fitting end to the series. Too bad HR had to basically screw everything up with the way it changed the ending though.

[The Dream Master]

It's only a fitting end to the series if you think the series only included Halloween 1 and 2 up until that point. :)

[Jigsaw]

I think Halloween 4-6 can still fit in with H20, even if the film didn't mention them. Wasn't there even a Halloween comic that tried to tie in 4-6 with H20?

[The Dream Master]

Well, I'm not getting into this in detail again, but you can go to the H20 thread to see my thoughts on the subject. To me, there's no way to reconcile 4-6 and H20. It requires far too many jumps in logic. As for the comic series, I think you're right, but I also think that H:R made the events in that comic impossible.

[Jigsaw]

I remember reading that the comic was invalidated by HR, which itself was a pretty big screw-up in just about every aspect.

[Joshg]

Agreed. Part 5 does have its moments though. Mark, the comic book loving skateboarder is one of my favourite characters in the entire series. His death was pretty cool.

Oh..my...goooooooooooooddd!
Well...usually I say to each his own, but...nope. Today, I'm just gonna say you're wrong! Haha,

jk,

Anyways, my vote for worst Nightmare: 5 or 6. Either one, they're both so silly.

[The Dream Master]

I think Mark's death could have been more effective if we could have seen more of his real body completely slashed up on the floor. It would have been a jarring and shocking contrast to the comic-book nature of his death.

[Jigsaw]

I agree. It would've made the comic book sequence of TDC more effective and visceral.

[Joshg]

I agree. I feel that all we got was a "tres 80s" experiment with Special FX...or, whatever you call it. New at the time, so "let's try it!"

PS, and Super Freddy SUX! Hehe,

[Jigsaw]

Super Freddy was a good idea but the execution was very weak IMO. They made it silly instead of scary.

[The Tall Man]

PS, and Super Freddy SUX! Hehe,
But no more than "Sleepaway Camp 1" :D

[Kane Lives]

My vote for worst is either Freddy's Dead or Freddy vs. Jason, just can't get behind those two.


As far as a least favorite NOES film; one of those would be my pick as well.

I usually rank Freddy's Dead as the worst, however both of them contain certain peeves for me, that makes me sometimes unsure as to which I dislike more.

[Lance Lives]

Yeah, the Super Freddy part is by far my least favorite part of Dream Child, but it's like Joshg said, it was obviously them playing with 80s effects technology and I suppose it can be forgiven and looked at as such.

[Scarecrow]

My main problem with Dream Child is the plot should be dark and deserves a level of seriousness to it. But the kills are far too stupid and Freddy is really a complete parody of himself, more so than Freddy's Dead. In that he fits the tone of the film, but in this he barely manages to explain the plot as pretty much every line is another joke... at least three jokes per kill! It's distracting and is a serious fault with the film IMO.


- Scarecrow

[Jigsaw]

My main problem with Dream Child is the plot should be dark and deserves a level of seriousness to it. But the kills are far too stupid and Freddy is really a complete parody of himself, more so than Freddy's Dead. In that he fits the tone of the film, but in this he barely manages to explain the plot as pretty much every line is another joke... at least three jokes per kill! It's distracting and is a serious fault with the film IMO.


I agree with all of that. TDC has a dark and gothic atmosphere with a nice murky look to match it, but Freddy is a big joke in the movie and his lines are way too humorous. But TDC was obviously rushed and the whole movie feels it. It could've been so much more, had they just taken a year to refine it.

[Kane Lives]

I agree with all of that.


I do too. This is really the film IMO, where Freddy went from having a one liner or two during a kill or being in a few silly visual gags, to being a complete stand up comedian. The second Season of Freddy's Nightmares and Freddy's Dead did take it even further but, I do think the complete buffoon began here. Because like Scarecrow has said in the past, basically all of his dialogue in this one consists of one liners.


There's at least seven during Dan's nightmare scene. I liked the "Fuel injection!" line, but I think a lot of the others could be dropped. And in Greta's nightmare, you not only have Freddy mouthing one joke after another, but Greta's Mom also.

Way too many one liners IMO.

[Jigsaw]

Freddy's humor and one-liners in NOES 4-6 were overkill IMO.

[Ron]

I really appreciated the dark tone of Freddy's Dead.

[Rich]

I don't think Freddy's Dead had a dark tone to it, except for the fact that there were no children in Springwood (assuming Freddy killed them all). Other then that, the movie does not even belong in the horror section in video stores.

As far as Nightmare 2 goes, I think this is a very underrated movie. I think (like Friday and Halloween) the best Nightmares are the first three, and that certainly includes Nightmare 2, the darkest one of them all.

[Ron]

Whoops, I meant Freddy's Revenge.

[mrniceguy]

I feel Freddy's Revenge was a solid entry in the NOES franchise , don't know why people would knock it . Pt 4 was the turning point in the series , it was entertaining on many levels but at the same time I feel it deviated from Freddy's roots . The oft-stated homoerotic subtext is relatively easy to overlook if you aren't looking for it . But what does that say about those who are ? Are they closet or open homosexuals ? Homophobic ? Or just have dirty minds ? These films were created as pure entertainment , nothing deeper than that IMO.

[sCabbOy]

It is very solid, and a great movie. I think Freddy's Revenge is much better than anything after ANOES 4, and pretty much only 1 and 3 are better than it.

[Jigsaw]

I think FR easily ranks the fourth best in the series, after New Nightmare, Dream Warriors and Nightmare 1. I definitely much prefer it over Nightmares 4-6 and FVJ.

[Kane Lives]

Pt 4 was the turning point in the series , it was entertaining on many levels but at the same time I feel it deviated from Freddy's roots.


That's pretty much how I feel about Nightmare 4.

I really enjoy certain parts of it (the acting and some of the FX), but I feel like this was the film where Freddy lost a lot of his edge that he had in Nightmare 1-3.

[Jigsaw]

Freddy definitely became much more humorous in TDM for sure. In 1-3 he was evil and cruel, but in TDM he became a Saturday morning cartoon character. It feels awkward, seeing him so evil in 1-3, but you watch TDM and it almost doesn't feel like the same Freddy :|

[The Tall Man]

While I enjoy "Freddy's Revenge", I think it's the worst of the formal series... and overall only better than "New Nightmare".

T.M.

[Deathscythe]

I'd say I like it more than Nightmare 6 and Freddy vs. Jason, thats it.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

Freddy's Revenge is my 3rd favorite of the series.....right after 1 and 3.

[Ron]

I've always loved the opening nightmare scene to 'Freddy's Revenge'.

[Jigsaw]

Same here. A very effective and tense scene.

[Esten]

Freddy definitely became much more humorous in TDM for sure. In 1-3 he was evil and cruel, but in TDM he became a Saturday morning cartoon character. It feels awkward, seeing him so evil in 1-3, but you watch TDM and it almost doesn't feel like the same Freddy :|

I actually think the cockroach death is the most sick and twisted death of the entire series. Certainly feels like the same Freddy to me.

[The Tall Man]

S-10, you and me are the only ones who think that apparently.

Most of these folks call it "silly".

T.M.

[Deathscythe]

I agree with you two, probably the makeup that did it for me.

[Kane Lives]

I think the cockroach sequence is one of the best FX kills in 4-6.

[Jigsaw]

I actually think the cockroach death is the most sick and twisted death of the entire series. Certainly feels like the same Freddy to me.


I'll agree with that one, but Freddy in the rest of TDM comes across as very cartoonish. I think Freddy's most sick kill is either Tina's death, Phillip or Taryn.

[The Tall Man]

Jig, how can you agree with S-10 but then say "his sickest was [not what S-10 said]"?

T.M.

[Jigsaw]

I don't think the cockroach death is *the* sickest but it is pretty nasty all-around. I think some of Freddy's other kills are far more disgusting though.

[Lance Lives]

I think that the cockroach scene is very disturbing along with Gretta (?)'s kill from DC (when he forced her to eat herself to death. Part 4 rules in my opinion and I'd almost always rather watch it than part 1.
I disagree that part 4 is when Stand-Up Freddy emerged. Watch part 3 and you'll see tons of Freddy humor, it's still a bit darker than it is in the later films, but he is cracking jokes no doubt.

[Jigsaw]

Freddy's humor in Dream Warriors wasn't overdone though (with the exception of the "tongue-tied" line). He was still very cruel and evil, and his humor was more sick than funny.

[Kane Lives]

The rabbit ears on his head was the only thing about Dream Warriors that ever really bothered me. But, that's a very small moment. The movie is so good, that I hardly even notice it now.

Yeah, the "Feeling tongue tied?" line was a little out there. I kind of consider that the first really bad pun of the series. But, I find myself hating the silly visual gags that Freddy is involved in more so than the one liners. Dream Warriors had mostly Horror set pieces and didn't do many of those gags. I guess it's easier for me to ignore the quips, if there's not too many of them.

[Jigsaw]

Come TDM, the series started employing a lot more gags and humor. Dream Warriors mostly kept it straight.

[The Tall Man]

He was still very cruel and evil, and his humor was more sick than funny.
No matter WHAT he's saying, Freddy stills remains cruel and evil. Laughing at and making fun of your victim as they're dying is the very definition of cruel.

Lemme ask you this: would Hitler be any less evil were he cracking jokes at the Jews? No. Why should Freddy be any different?

T.M.

[Ron]

I think that Freddy cracking jokes doesn't neccesarily make him less evil, but it definitlry makes him seem less dark.

[Jigsaw]

I think that Freddy cracking jokes doesn't neccesarily make him less evil, but it definitlry makes him seem less dark.


Precisely. His humor in Nightmares 4-6 was very over-the-top and comical, whereas in Dream Warriors it was very sick and disturbing.

[Ron]

My guess is that it must get hard trying to keep a character dark and frightening after so many sequels. Same would go for Michael Myers and Jason.

[Jigsaw]

I guess :meh:

[Esten]

Yeah, the "Feeling tongue tied?" line was a little out there.

Better than Craven's "Joey.... You're such a good kisser!" line. :/

[El Rooto]

It's hard to think what Craven put in the original Nightmare 3 drafts, until you realize "This is the man who brought us Shocker."

[Kane Lives]

A lot of Craven's Dream Warriors script was crap I thought. Thank God for the rewrite.

[DRE]

I see nothing at all wrong with Freddy's Revenge, it maintained the atmosphere of the original rather well, and Freddy himself was very nasty and at his most evil. Did you see that face looking through the fire? THAT'S fuckin Freddy Krueger to me, this hoppy giggly buffoon in Freddy's Dead?...I don't know him.

But, then again, I tend to enjoy the chapters that other fans don't, and not by choice, I just see something in them that gives it a validation for me (Even Freddy's Dead.) I don't discount any chapters of the Big Three, I love them all for different reasons. Which I'll list later.

[Scarecrow]

No matter WHAT he's saying, Freddy stills remains cruel and evil. Laughing at and making fun of your victim as they're dying is the very definition of cruel.

Lemme ask you this: would Hitler be any less evil were he cracking jokes at the Jews? No. Why should Freddy be any different?

T.M.

True but if a film showed Hitler cracking jokes at the Jews in such a way that we it was clear the audience was intended to laugh along WITH Hitler that would be somewhat problematic.

The difference, i think, is Freddy's humour started off twisted and not "funny" as such. It was dark, it wasn't designed to make you just laugh but to feel uncomfortale and disturbed that he can say these things as he kills. The later films it was just about the laugh for the msot part (though not exclusively).


- Scarecrow

[Rich]

But no more than "Sleepaway Camp 1"

That movie was a piece of shit no matter how you look at it.

The oft-stated homoerotic subtext is relatively easy to overlook if you aren't looking for it

I don't think the homo-erotic stuff does not exist to me because I just watch it for what it is...a movie where Freddy possesses someone to try to get into the "real" world. He did it in New Nightmare and FVJ as well.

[Esten]

True but if a film showed Hitler cracking jokes at the Jews in such a way that we it was clear the audience was intended to laugh along WITH Hitler that would be somewhat problematic.

It's not enough that he does these horrible things to people, but he makes jokes and expects others to laugh at it. That's pretty fucking sick in my eyes. Hitler, Freddy or Bobcat Goldthwait. It's all very twisted.

A lot of Craven's Dream Warriors script was crap I thought. Thank God for the rewrite.

About 3/4 of it is pretty bad. "Unfilmable" is right.

[The Tall Man]

Did you see that face looking through the fire? THAT'S fuckin Freddy Krueger to me, this hoppy giggly buffoon in Freddy's Dead?...I don't know him.
See, it's the exact opposite for me, Dre. I watch Nightmare 1 and think "He isn't Freddy yet. He's like a Larva." Hell, he doesn't even have striped sleeves yet! And his fedora's grey! He's just another one of Craven's blue-collar thugs then. Think Horace Pinker in a Freddy Halloween costume. Nightmare 2 rolls around... despite his dress shoes and jacked-up hat, he's getting there, but not quite. With his brown fedora, striped sleeves, and engineer boots and trademark persona, when I get to the end of Nightmare 3 and read "Freddy Krueger... ROBERT ENGLUND", I think "Yup. NOW he's Freddy."

It's not enough that he does these horrible things to people, but he makes jokes and expects others to laugh at it. That's pretty fucking sick in my eyes. Hitler, Freddy or Bobcat Goldthwait. It's all very twisted.
Holy nuts, S-10 just showed me the way and cleared it all up for me! He's exactly right. Freddy tells these jokes that only he thinks are funny, but that you should be in stitiches over. It's like:

"Hey! This is funny! What the hell's wrong with you? ... Oh yeah, you don't have a head."

"HAAAAAA-hahahahahahahaha!"

T.M.

[Rich]

Nightmare 1 & 2 = scary Freddy
Nightmare 4 & 6 = funny Freddy
Nightmare 3 & 5 = a little bit of both
Nightmare 7 Freddy was in an alternate universe but a mix of mostly scary Fred with a little bit of humor.

What am I getting at? Despite being a demon, Freddy still has human like emotions. Sometimes he is pissed. Sometimes he just has fun. I guess the truth is, they are all Freddy, because no one person in the world is excactly the same all the time, you know?

[sCabbOy]

I wouldn't go as far as saying the movie was a piece of shit, it wasn't... it's far better than 4,5 and 6 as far as I am concerned. I think that Freddy's Dead is a very dark movie, and Freddy was actually scary.

[Deathscythe]

Nightmare 1 & 2 = scary Freddy
Nightmare 4 & 6 = funny Freddy
Nightmare 3 & 5 = a little bit of both
Nightmare 7 Freddy was in an alternate universe but a mix of mostly scary Fred with a little bit of humor.

I don't know how Dream Child Freddy was a little bit of both, I find him to be more of a comedy Freddy than Dream Master Freddy.

[Ron]

I don't think he was scary in any film after the first 2...once he started cracking jokes and rattling off one liners he became 'funny freddy' to me. I still enjoyed the films though.

[Joshg]

The first two are my favourites, because they're so dark. Dream Warriors was a fun ride! In Dream Master, he was nasty, yet becoming very comical. Dream Child went way overboard! And it wasn't even so bad, it was funny; it was just bad! Freddy's Dead had something in it that was dark, but the comedy covered it all up. Maybe the computer game bit? Or the...ach, too many to count!

[MaDMaNMaRz]

I agree, Josh. In TDM, he was dark and comical....but they didn't go too overboard with the comedy aspects. That's one reason I enjoy TDM alot.

[Joshg]

TDM is my fourth favourite, after the first three ofcourse.

[Deathscythe]

Dream Master is my 3rd favortie, btw the film turns 20 in August.

[Kane Lives]

The Dream Master is #5 on my list.

In some ways, it's kind of hard to believe the movie is almost 20 years old. I can still clearly remember seeing TV spots for it.

[The Dream Master]

Dream Master is the first Nightmare flick that I can ever remember seeing TV spots for.

[Deathscythe]

I haven't seen tv spots for any Nightmare film.

[Patrick]

Parts 1, 2 and 4 are my favorites. New Nightmare is really good also.

I love the opening intro music to Freddy's Revenge.

[The Tall Man]

Silver, it may interest you to know that much of the score from Nightmare 2 was lifted from "Def Con 4" (which had music that also turned up in "Godzilla 1985") by Christopher Young.

T.M.

[Joshg]

Oh no! Kind of like how Friday the 13th lifted music from "The Children". Or was it the other way around? I wish "The Children" was rescored, because hearing the Friday music...just annoys me. Oh well, still a good flick. And I'm off topic again. :D

[The Dream Master]

Oh no! Kind of like how Friday the 13th lifted music from "The Children". Or was it the other way around? I wish "The Children" was rescored, because hearing the Friday music...just annoys me. Oh well, still a good flick. And I'm off topic again. :D

I think it's got more to do with the fact that Manfredini scored both, and the man tends to sound like he's ripping himself off at times. :)

[Esten]

Case in point: Jason Lives and House.

[The Dream Master]

Troof, S-10. That's the exact comparison I had in mind when posting, actually.

[Deathscythe]

Well, wouldn't it be more of rehashing then copying yourself?

[The Tall Man]

I actually love both the JL and House scores seperately. I can SEE (actually HEAR) the similiaties, but they aren't as jarring as say a Friday flick and "The Hills Have Eyes Part II".

T.M.

[Patrick]

Silver, it may interest you to know that much of the score from Nightmare 2 was lifted from "Def Con 4" (which had music that also turned up in "Godzilla 1985") by Christopher Young.

T.M.

Whoa...I didn't know that TM. Thanks.

[Scarecrow]

Christoper Young is a genius composer. His score for Hellbound: Hellraiser II was Oscar worthy. In fact, I'd say it was more deserving than even the Omen's amazing score.


- Scarecrow

[Utellme]

This installment has to be the most underated of the series.It made more money than the original at the box office it had the last real dark scary Freddy.But yet it gets ignored imo Freddy's look in this one is the best of the series.Maybe people dislike it cause it has a male survivor at the end going against Freddy instead of the same old female survivor.

[sCabbOy]

I is underrated as far as I am concerned. It's easily one of the 3 best, and has a really wet, cold tone.

[Natman]

Which may only add to the homoerotic subtext. If I felt that all the subtext in this film was needed, then it would be a different story. In this film the male hero is feminized to a ridiculous degree. It argues that if you put a male in the female's position, then he is instantly made effeminate, which I don't agree with at all. If the series had a running theme of homosexuality then part 2 would fit right in, but it doesn't. Therefore, we have a film that doesn't fit at all, not even making any connections with the original. Add in no dream kills and you may have the worst in the series. I can't tell if Nightmare 5 was bad or just... awkward.

Even the fact that Freddy looked and was acted amazingly (his cruelty in this is unmatched, I'll admit) could not save this film. If you want a good part 2, look at part 3.

Overall, it could have been a great horror film, but it made a disappointing Nightmare on Elm Street film.

[sCabbOy]

I think one of the best directed sequences in horror is the part where Jesse goes to the S and M bar and meets Snyder up until the cops bring him home. Just the tone and atmosphere, which credit should also go to the DP.

[Utellme]

Homoerotic subtext i don't buy into this im not saying that its not in the film .But i like the film and i dont see nothing wrong with the male being the hero at the end for a change.

[Scarecrow]

The male being a hero is nothign to do with it. The dancing in underwear, wrestling with other men in tight shorts, going to a gay S&M bar, nude bottotm spanking, and cries that "he's inside me" are more what we're thinking of...

- Scarecrow

[Utellme]

Well still i don't look that deep into it i just like the film and still think its quite under rated. imo

[Rich]

You know, I just watched this film earlier and I must say, if Platinum Dunes really is remaking A Nightmare on Elm Street the same way they are remaking Friday the 13th, I really hope they study this film and the first one well. They need the story elements from the first one, but they need the dark and evil Freddy of the second one. We are in the era of serious horror and Freddy will not go over if he is riding skateboards anymore. Let's face it, Freddy was at his most evil in the second Nightmare film.

The story itself was unique for the series but welcome at the same time. Damnit, I love this movie! It is very underrated and under appreciated, but I prefer it to the Eddie Murphy Freddy.

[Darth Sinister]

My only problem with this film is that it should've come later on. After having a few films in the traditional manner as the first film. Then have Freddy go for possession.

[James M]

Well, there had only been one Nightmare film. There wasn't really a set "tradition." The Nightmare 2 director says something along those lines in his interview on the boxset.

Here's something funny, a recreation of "cleaning room" scene of Nightmare 2.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=kgv8EpsCk14

[The Dream Master]

Yeah, I never understood the "Nightmare 2 broke the rules" criticism (I think even Shaye himself says this at one point) because who says Freddy can't possess people? It was only the second one, and there hadn't exactly been many rules established.

[Scarecrow]

I guess its because it went against the general notion of part 1. Its basic concept was a guy who killed people in their sleep. That wasn't a "rule" as such but it was a concept. However the second was about a dead guy trying to come back to life by haunting and possessing someone in his sleep. Sure, they both involved nightmares, but as a core concept, it IS very different.

- Scarecrow

[WesReviews]

Freddy still targeted Jesse through his dreams, so I don't think 2 "broke" the rules, as much as it just expanded on them. To suggest a limit on how powerful an entity that is essentially a ghost is (as Craven seems to prefer) is kind of silly. If Freddy is a demon or ghost, his powers could be limitless, including the power to possess the living. He just didn't utilize it in the first film.

[The Dream Master]

Yeah, no one's denying that Nightmare 2 was "different," but there's a difference between that and "breaking the rules." The possession angle made sense because there's nothing in the first film that says Freddy can't do it.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

I'm with Brett, that Freddy's Revenge didn't break the rules, because they really didn't establish any....seeing that this was only the first sequel. It's possible that Freddy was able to possess people in the first one. But he might not have been strong enough to do it yet. He does progressively get stronger through each movie. So the possession angle in 2 was really a natural progression IMO.

[Utellme]

I like the whole bus scene creepy shit. And imo i think Freddys look in this one is the best in the entire series including F vs J. I like how Freddy was dark in this one and the first film the 3rd film started to destroy all that imo9.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

IMO, the Freddy in Dream Warriors had the perfect balance between being dark and cracking one liners. They didn't go real over the top with them, like in 4-6.....although I do like Nightmare 4.

[James M]

The thing was, the victims didn't need to be asleep. It was all Jesse. We only see Freddy for the benefit of the viewers, but in "reality," it was Jesse's body doing Freddy's bidding (afterall, if Freddy literally tore through Jesse's body before killing Grady, that would've been the end of Jesse). That was the whole point, Freddy using someone's body so his victims wouldn't have to be asleep.

[Ron]

I liked this film and I think that Freddy was actually his darkest in this.

[Jason_Legend]

This was actually my favorite of the series, for years. I thought it was extremely scary, and really felt for Jesse. I don't don't if I still feel it's the best. I haven't really watched it all the through, in maybe 9 years.

[sCabbOy]

It's my second favorite after the first, it's really damn good.

[kiss_armyman1]

I used to own this one. Me and my best friend, used to watch this one 3 times a week man.We couldnt get enough of it.
I dont love it ,as well as, the first but, its classic for sure. The cute red head doesnt hurt the plot either ! LOL!

[Utellme]

There is no Jessy im Jessy now.

[Scarecrow]

The thing was, the victims didn't need to be asleep. It was all Jesse. We only see Freddy for the benefit of the viewers, but in "reality," it was Jesse's body doing Freddy's bidding (afterall, if Freddy literally tore through Jesse's body before killing Grady, that would've been the end of Jesse). That was the whole point, Freddy using someone's body so his victims wouldn't have to be asleep.

Although after the swimming pool event, Jesse would surely be arrested. And people act as if its Freddy they're seeing. I think he DID, in the end, actually fully take Jesse form. In a fantasy series, pretty much anything can happen. Jesse own destruction was a representation of what was happening often, Jesse was always there beneath / inside Freddy at the end imo.


- Scarecrow

[The Dream Master]

Yeah, Freddy literally tearing through Jesse's body is just one of those things you have to suspend your disbelief on. It's kind of like when Freddy cuts off Mrs. Parker's head but doesn't kill her. I would assume Freddy has enough power to keep Jesse alive while using him. Besides, at that pool party, if it were really Jesse everyone was seeing, do you think they'd really be cowering in fear at the sight of him? ;)

[Esten]

DM, if he were doing that "Touch me" dance, everyone would.

[Rich]

Freddy literally tearing through Jesse's body is just one of those things you have to suspend your disbelief on.

Freddy was inside him, hence possession. That was a physical representation of Freddy controlling him, to literally come out of him, with Jesse underneath. I look at it like the werewolf transformation in Van Helsing. I think that was just a "horror" way of Jesse turning into Freddy. When Linda Blair was possessed her physical appearence changed as well. It is kind of the same thing, but done in a more graphic way.

When you have a story of a character living and murdering in people's dream, you definitely have to suspend your disbelief. You have to with many horror films.

like when Freddy cuts off Mrs. Parker's head but doesn't kill her.

But see, he did not kill her. He took her head off in Christain's dream. She was very much alive in reality after that dream.

[The Dream Master]

But see, he did not kill her. He took her head off in Christain's dream. She was very much alive in reality after that dream.

That's my point. It's obvious that Kristen's mom survived, considering she's there in 4. Freddy can make it look like all kinds of shit is happening when it's not. The comparison to Mrs. Parker isn't the best comparison because it was Kristen's dream, not Mrs. Parker's, but it's sort of the same idea.

DM, if he were doing that "Touch me" dance, everyone would.

Then Lisa's dad wouldn't have needed to break out the shotgun; he would have just given Clu a call so he could come over and give Jesse a good goddamn kick in the butt.

[Fright Nighter]

Honestly, I liked this film. The only complaint I have is that it took Freddy out of the dream world and in doing so it turned him into just a regular slasher. But thankfully Part 3 put him back in the dream world.

[Ron]

I think Freddy's Revenge made up for the fact that it took Freddy out of the dream world by being a very dark horror film.

[Rich]

I never had a problem with Freddy being taken out of the dream world momentarily, because you know he was going to go back there anyway.

[Scarecrow]

I never had a problem with Freddy being taken out of the dream world momentarily, because you know he was going to go back there anyway.

Athough at the time you didn't. Before Part 3 came along I can imagine people might have been all the mroe disappointed that the series seemed to be going in very different directions than the first part suggested.


- Scarecrow

[James M]

Nightmare 2 recut as a sitcom.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfZokQzo4jA

[DavidDunn]

Nightmare 2 recut as a sitcom.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfZokQzo4jA

Now that was some funny shit. I was half expecting Steve Urkel to bust through the Walshes' back door. "Thank you for being a friend." When the bird exploded, I almost did due to that awesome laugh track. Five stars.:lmao:

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

And of course, great use of the Golden Girls theme. :D

[nottidelterrore]

Nightmare 2 recut as a sitcom.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfZokQzo4jA

:lol:

That's freaking hilarious. It really could've worked as a sitcom too.

I wonder if they'd use the laugh track when Freddy says "Help yourself, fucker!"?

[The Dream Master]

While that's funny, it doesn't hold a candle to the antics found in the old Ken Walsh classics. Kincaid moving in with the Walshes was aces.

[Utellme]

Athough at the time you didn't. Before Part 3 came along I can imagine people might have been all the mroe disappointed that the series seemed to be going in very different directions than the first part suggested.


- Scarecrow


I think it made Freddy that more dangerous you werent safe awake or asleep imo. Either way i like all the Elm st's and Freedy movies.

[Esten]

Yuh man Freedy movies are fuckin doep.

While that's funny, it doesn't hold a candle to the antics found in the old Ken Walsh classics. Kincaid moving in with the Walshes was aces.

The BAMF one I helped on. Wish we could find them damn things. :(

[DavidDunn]

I nearly forgot about my Freddy's Revenge companion to the ANOES Infinifilm release:
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m152/Kyle_XY/ANOES2FreddysRevengeDVDCoverFinal.jpg

[WesReviews]

The BAMF one I helped on. Wish we could find them damn things. :(

After years of silence...

http://www.f13-community.co.uk/board/showthread.php?t=3677

...KEN WALSH IS BACK.

[Geddy Peart]

After years of silence...

http://www.f13-community.co.uk/board/showthread.php?t=3677

...KEN WALSH IS BACK.


Sweet Bessie Lou are you serious?

YAY!

[Scarecrow]

I nearly forgot about my Freddy's Revenge companion to the ANOES Infinifilm release:
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m152/Kyle_XY/ANOES2FreddysRevengeDVDCoverFinal.jpg

Man I love that cover, it's stunning art work. I wish we saw more film posters of that style these days.


- Scarecrow

[MellySuicide]

No matter how much I try, I cannot get myself to like this one. I have only seen this maybe 5 times and the only part I like is the beginning on the school bus. I didn't like the characters in this one. :(

[Ron]

The opening nightmare in this one is arguably the best nightmare of the entire series. It just has that nightmarish feel to it that reminds me of nightmares I've had in the past.

[nottidelterrore]

I picked up the box set yesterday & just realized that it has two copies of Freddy's Revenge. The second copy is taking the place of The Dream Child. Freddy's Revenge is probably my favourite in the series & The Dream Child is my least favourite. I find that kind of funny.

Sucks that I traded in my single copy of The Dream Child yesterday. Oh well. I can grab it again for a few bucks. :lol:

[Esten]

notti, be glad. Be very, very glad.


Robert Englund in.... *THUD* zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz