'Friday the 13th' Remake/Reboot Discussion, Part V (SPOILERS)

[sCabbOy]

Previous thread (http://www.f13-community.co.uk/board/showthread.php?t=2895&page=27)

Hey, humans are primates, so we just may be an uncle of a monkey.

[JVM]

Lol that was random.

You know what would be cool, but is highly unlikely? A video game adaption. You heard me right. Play as Jason. Kill some damn teenagers.

[sCabbOy]

Sadly, if there was no TCM game to coincide with the movie I doubt there will be a F13 one.

[SlasherFreak]

There is a 3 minute short special on FearNet On Demand about the remake from Comic Con.

I dont know if this is known, but Righetti said the plot of the movie is She is brothers with Jared and she takes care of the mother full time and Jared takes her on a camping trip to kill some stress and it goes wrong.

[Penhall]

There's been lots of discussion in interviews with the producers about tons and tons of nudity and drug use in the new movie.

Here's the thing: yes, the new Jason movie should have nudity in it, and maybe some drug use, but at the same time, I dont wanna see a porno film, you know?

The classic Jason movies (1-8) werent loaded with wall to wall nudity (except maybe parts 4 and 5). And same with the drug use. I don't want the new movie to be like a damned Seth Rogen comedy with everyone toking up every three minutes.

Like I said, go ahead and include that stuff in the new movie because it is, after all, a Friday the 13th film. But just dont go freaking overboard with it. Anyway, just my two cents on the issue.

[Patrick]

This is true Penhall. I agree.

[sCabbOy]

The older movies really didn't have much nudity at all if you think about it. A few seconds of skin a few times isn't a lot.

[Darth Sinister]

The fourth film did have quite a bit of nudity in there. I'm sure that Joe Bob Briggs would've given a pretty high number like he used to back when he was on The Movie Channel.

[Lance Lives]

There's quite a few sets of boobs in part 5 and 7. I'm cool with that, but I agree that I don't want to see this turn into a stoner comedy with slasher kills. That might've ruled in the mighty '80s but I think that the humor would fall flat.

[Jigsaw]

ANB and TFC by far are the most nudity-heavy installments of the series by a long shot IMO, followed by Part 2 and TNB.

[sCabbOy]

But the nudity was either short (other than Tina in Part 5), or the typical flash and then turn around to see a naked back variety. I wouldn't consider it a lot... but then again I am comparing it to movies that have a lot (i.e. a Wynorski movie).

[MaDMaNMaRz]

Sadly, if there was no TCM game to coincide with the movie I doubt there will be a F13 one.

There's always the TCM game for the Atari, lol.

[Ron]

Let's not forget the Halloween game as well;)

[The Dream Master]

I had the Halloween game and E.T. for the Atari. Yeah, I had no clue what was going on in either one of them. :X

[MaDMaNMaRz]

E.T. is often regarded as the worst game ever. :X

I'd like to track down the TCM, Halloween, and NOES games. I still have my NES hooked up, so i'm going to pop in the F13 game in...even though it's pretty craptastic.

[The Dream Master]

E.T. is often regarded as the worst game ever.

And with very good reason.

I need to track down a copy of the NOES game on the NES myself. I remember it being pretty fucking hard, but I did beat it back in the day.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

I haven't played E.T. myself, but i'm kind of curious just to witness the poopiness firsthand. :lol:

I'm going to start looking for the NOES game. I wonder if it goes for alot now? I bought the F13 game from a friend in the 5th or 6th grade for a buck. I only beat that shit once. It's almost Contra III hard. :X

[The Dream Master]

I've never beaten Friday the 13th because I find it to be even harder than Contra III. I've at least made it to the final boss on Contra III multiple times. With F13, I just wander around aimlessly and get killed. :X

[MaDMaNMaRz]

I still haven't beaten Contra III to this day! That game is so rage inducing. I don't think I can ever play it again, hahaha!

[The Dream Master]

Mike, I shit you not: I've had that game since the year it came out. I cannot beat it. It's friggin' hard, even on easy. :X

[MaDMaNMaRz]

I know what you mean, lol. I've only played it on Easy as well. It took me awhile to even get halfway through it. It's good to play a challenging game, but come on! That game is bonkers. :duh:

[sCabbOy]

I'ts like the Ghostbusters game, almost impossible to beat unless you are fast, have a lot of stamina in your thumb and have a lot of luck.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

I don't think i've played the Ghostbusters game. But if it's that hard, I must avoid it, lol.

[The Dream Master]

If we're talking about the Genesis Ghostbusters game, I played it. I can remember it being kind of hard. I want to say that there was one for the NES too, but that might just be my mind playing tricks on me. The arcade game was doep too, and I wish it would come out on some retro compilation.

[Penhall]

But the nudity was either short (other than Tina in Part 5), or the typical flash and then turn around to see a naked back variety. I wouldn't consider it a lot... but then again I am comparing it to movies that have a lot (i.e. a Wynorski movie).

You are exactly right. The stereotypical view is that the Jason movies are loaded from beginning to end with hardcore nudity and drug use, but we all know that isnt the case.

It just gets kinda annoying when the producers go on and on about the nudity and drug use in the new one, as if thats all the Jason movies are about. Like I said, they can have some of that stuff in there, but I just dont want them to go overboard.

[The New Blood]

I hope we see Jason sniffing a fat ass line of coke in the movie.










j/k:p, but that would be funny as hell

[makaveddie81]

You are exactly right. The stereotypical view is that the Jason movies are loaded from beginning to end with hardcore nudity and drug use, but we all know that isnt the case.

It just gets kinda annoying when the producers go on and on about the nudity and drug use in the new one, as if thats all the Jason movies are about. Like I said, they can have some of that stuff in there, but I just dont want them to go overboard.

This has been my main gripe from the get go. Though I do hope they dont go overboard with the sex, drug use and comedy (the producers' comments suggest otherwise), if the film gets down to business during Jason's screen time like it does in the teaser, then it wont bother me that much. I hope the film has some sort of balance that will keep everyone satisfied.

[JVM]

^ I feel the best way to keep balance with everything is to keep Jason's kills around an equal amount of time in-between, and try to make them frequent, but no unbelievably so. If you get the right variable of time, you can make both feel like a break from the other.

One thing I'm slightly worried about is the drug abuse in particular. I never noticed drug use in many of the films on first viewings, actually. I really hope they don't go overboard with that of all things.

[makaveddie81]

^ I feel the best way to keep balance with everything is to keep Jason's kills around an equal amount of time in-between, and try to make them frequent, but no unbelievably so. If you get the right variable of time, you can make both feel like a break from the other.

One thing I'm slightly worried about is the drug abuse in particular. I never noticed drug use in many of the films on first viewings, actually. I really hope they don't go overboard with that of all things.

And it will certainly elicit lame one-liners from the audience such as "puff puff pass mothafucka"... :mad:

[Lammert]

As long as it's not over the top....

[Darth Sinister]

If we're talking about the Genesis Ghostbusters game, I played it. I can remember it being kind of hard. I want to say that there was one for the NES too, but that might just be my mind playing tricks on me. The arcade game was doep too, and I wish it would come out on some retro compilation.

Nintendo had the sequel and it was also insanely hard. My friend had bought it for his birthday and it took him a year to beat that game, when usually it would take him a few days or a few weeks to beat any game. BTW, have you done what I wrote about how to beat the "Friday The 13th" game? I'm telling you, it's way easier when you use my method. Insanely easy.

[The Dream Master]

I remember you posting about how to beat the F13 game, but I've just not tried it yet.

And I thought there was an NES game that adapted Ghostbusters 2 because I'm pretty sure you get to re-enact the whole Statue of Liberty sequence. There was no mention for it on the Wiki, so I thought maybe I was just mis-remembering.

[Darth Sinister]

No, you're right about GB II.

-First level you play Ray and cover a regular level.
-Second level you play Winston and cover the courthouse.
-Take charge of Ecto-1 in NYC.
-Third level you play Egon in the sewers.
-Take charge of Ecto-1 in NYC again.
-Fourth level you command the Statue of Liberty in the harbor.
-Fifth level you command the Statue of Liberty in NYC.
-Sixth level you must guide each GB to where the painting of Vigo is. Peter is the last one.

I might be off a bit, because I haven't seen that game since 1991.

[Lance Lives]

I hope we see Jason sniffing a fat ass line of coke in the movie.

:D:D

I had the Ghostbusters Genesis game and though I couldn't get past the third level, I was badass at the first two levels. My girlfriend gave me a copy of the NOES NES game but I've never played it. I had no idea there were Halloween and TCM Atari games, that's awesome.

[Cody]

DVD talk (http://www.horror-movies.ca/horror_12558.html)

At Comic Con we caught up with Brad Fuller who let us know some small details on the final cut of the Friday the 13th Remake as well as the dvd. The DVD Cut is very likely going to be much longer then the theatrical release since the movie is only 90minutes but they shot 2 and a half hours of actual film. The R Rated DVD is very likely going to contain more footage.

The final movie will be 90 minutes so there's an hour of stuff that we're going to have to cut out of the movie.

That DVD will be long and I can't imagine that the ratings board is going to be euphoric about giving us an R rating with what we're going to turn into them.

We can also likely expect some alternate endings since they shot more then one alternate for the film;

We shot a couple deaths different ways. Not where their death is questionable, whether or not it happens. Just where we want to make sure that the deaths are really effective and we weren't sure when we were on set so there's a couple different options. But I don't think there's going to be any - - there's not going to be any characters who in one cut of the movie they live and in another cut they die.

I always like when a DVD is released with a longer cut then the theatrical run. Its VERY unlikely its going to be 2 1/2 hours ( American Tourists in Cuba kinda unlikely ) but with some luck we can get an extra 20 minutes or so of carnage with our DVD purchases when it does arrive.

Somebody filmed their TV to bring us a BTS report from Reelz

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[Jigsaw]

Cool news, and the BTS report was neat, too. Thanks for posting it.

[The Dream Master]

That video confirms what the trailer made me suspect: the aspect ratio is 2.35:1 and will be only the third film in the series to be so (after 3 and FvJ).

[DRE]

Very exciting stuff. I can easily see the last batch of films being trumped.

[Jigsaw]

I think this'll easily be the most entertaining film of the series since JL or TNB.

[French Friday]

That video shows us a campfire scene ! IMHO, this is the scene that will make the movie great... or spoil it. Because I don't want to hear something like in Zombieween "he has the eyes of a... psychopath". What will be told during that campfire scene is clearly something important for me. That should be the basis of the story, of the atmosphere. It will also be the scene that will allow me to make it a new Part 8 or not, depending on how the legend deviates from the original.

[Jason_Legend]

DVD talk (http://www.horror-movies.ca/horror_12558.html)



Somebody filmed their TV to bring us a BTS report from Reelz

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There's a clearer version of this on YouTube, if you type in "Friday the 13th Remake Behind the Scenes". It's the second one that pops up. It has a watermark in the middle of the screen, though.

[Jenosis]

MTV has three new videos...
http://www.mtv.com/overdrive/?id=1591818&vid=262296

And there are pictures...
http://www.mtv.com/photos/?fid=1591955&pid=3103624

Interviews with Cast and Producers (http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1591870/20080730/story.jhtml?rsspartner=rssFeedBurner)

[The Dream Master]

Man, they refer to that as the Voorhees "Shack?" That thing's a full-blown house. :p

[Jigsaw]

I'm more excited about this movie with those new bits of information.

[Penhall]

So that whole thing about Jason playing a banjo was a joke...right?!??

I'm just not into this whole humanizing/sympathy thing they've got going on. I keep thinking of what Rob Zombie did with Michael Myers....and thats not a good thing!

[Jigsaw]

I'm fine with Jason being humanized as long as it's done in a good way and isn't sappy, and as long as Jason still remains menacing.

[Jenosis]

I'll hold judgement till I see the movie :) The Comic-Con trailer made me excited.

[SlasherFreak]

Man, they refer to that as the Voorhees "Shack?" That thing's a full-blown house. :p

Yeah, I noticed that too in the trailer.

Maybe in this one, instead of the sheriff seeing Jason running in the woods and chasing him...maybe the bank foreclosed on Jason's HOUSE and the sherrif is coming to remove him.

Hardy Har, I slay myself!!!:p

[Rick]

I couldn't see the MTV video because I'm outside the US.
The pics were nice though.
I wonder if that is supposed to be the old camp's main cabin (the councilor's head quarters or something), or if Jason and Pam actually lived in the woods

[VoorheesGuy91]

With every new bit of information released, I become more excited for this movie...IMHO, this looks to be the most promising F13 of the series thus far. Just my 2 cents' though...

[Rich]

The final movie will be 90 minutes so there's an hour of stuff that we're going to have to cut out of the movie

That right there concerns me bit time. Once again it seems as though they are making the same mistake they made with FVJ. They will sacrafice story for the sake of the clock. I am now concerned. That is not a good sign. Granted the older movies are all 90 minutes, but if they wrote a story that requires more then that to tell they should never "just cut it out of the movie" just for the sake of making the movie 90 minutes.

[French Friday]

It's different from FvJ.

For FvJ, they rewrote a 2h30 script to shot a 90mn script, hence the characters explaining the plot every five minutes.

In this case, they shot a 2h30 script and then cut out 1h to obtain a 90mn movie.

The result will be a story fastly told in theater, centered on death scenes and action, but hopefully, the DVD full version will have good character development and a story more elaborated. A better mystery atmosphere and rythm with breaks within the action.

The DVD version of FvJ couldn't have added scenes who weren't shot at all because erased from the script before even shooting.

Also, sometimes the filmmakers shoot way too much and realise in the editing rooms some scenes are useless for the purpose of the story, meaning maybe 30 mn of the cut scenes or more add nothing to the story, with maybe just jokes or drama scenes with no real connection to the main story. It's always a possibility.

Wait and see.

[Cody]

Fuller & Form (http://chud.com/articles/articles/16004/1/EXCLUSIVE-INTERVIEW-BRAD-FULLER-amp-ANDREW-FORM-PRODUCERS-OF-FRIDAY-THE-13TH/Page1.html)

This seems like a fairly traditional take on Jason. Was there ever a less traditional take on the franchise, maybe one where you gave Jason lines or something?

Fuller: We had all kinds of crazy scripts. We had one script that had Jason in the suburbs and he was going into people's homes and killing them. There was the one where there was barbed wire in the water...

Form: We had one where Camp Crystal Lake was open again, and this time there were campers.

Fuller: We went through a lot of versions to come up with what we have now.

Form: But we never had a version that changed the character of Jason, just ones that put him in different settings.

What was it that drew you back to this traditional take on Jason after all of the different versions you worked through?

Fuller: Some of it is that we spent so much time in basements dismembering people, and we needed a break. We wanted to spend some time outdoors on a lake. Drew and I love to water ski, so we put a water ski boat in it, and we could have girls water ski naked - things we really hadn't had in a movie before. I'm not kidding you - part of it was wanting to have fun making a movie, and being outside. The script that [Damian Shannon and Mark Swift] came up with had these things. And it was also interjected with a sense of fun. And I don't mean that the kills are campy - it's kids out having fun in the woods, doing things kids do in the woods. It's been a long time since you've seen that. And since you've seen that in a rated R way. We wanted to go all the way with that. There's alcohol and drugs and sex.

Form: And nudity.

Fuller: A lot of nudity. Too much nudity for an R rating.

Really? Do you mix the nudity and the violence? That's what pisses the MPAA off.

Form: We do not.

Fuller: A little nudity, take a break, violence.

Form: Go back to the nudity.

When we were on set, you told me that you shot two very different versions of one kill. Derek tells me there was another kill where you did the same thing. It's interesting - did you guys come to the kills and have a lot options, or was it just these two kills? It sounds almost like murder improv.

Fuller: Usually our budget doesn't allow us the opportunity to do it that much. It happens sometimes because we're not sure what we want, and we're not sure what's going to work in the edit room. A kill is so important that you don't want to blow it. In the instances you're talking about we covered ourselves different ways to make sure we had the options we wanted. In a perfect world we'd have enough days to do every kill three ways, but we just don't have that time or that kind of money.

When you were putting this together, when you finally got this script down, aside from the drugs and the nudity, what was the one thing that you had to have? Was it a specific kill? What was it that was going to make this your Friday the 13th?

Fuller: It's not really one thing, it's Jason running. Seeing Jason go after people and pursue them. He's a hunter. That's something that's never been the centerpiece of one of these films, but the fact is that he sees this as his land, and these kids are coming there and they shouldn't be there. There's no forethought about what he's going to do except to eliminate the problem and move on to the next one. We wanted it to feel that way, we wanted to feel like he was a methodical, fast, brutal killer.

Derek is coming at Jason from a really interesting angle, a more sympathetic angle. What's your take on that?

Fuller: I think that's more for Derek's head than it is for the movie. I think if we go into that in the film we've done it a disservice. This isn't an origin story. We want people to cheer when Jason kills, we don't want them feeling sorry for him. We don't want them feeling bad that his mother got killed.

When are the fans who weren't out in San Diego going to get their first look at Jason in action?

Form: A teaser in September-ish, and a trailer a couple of months after.

And we're going to see something red band for the internet?

Form: I'm sure.

Fuller: We want to.

[The Dream Master]

Hrm, I wonder what the teaser will be attached to? Eagle Eye, maybe? I know Paramount isn't handling theatrical distribution, but I could see it being attached to that.

[sCabbOy]

Too much nudity for an R rating... yeah that's what makes a horror movie good.
PHHT

[DedKid]

I hear ya sCab, I never knew excessive nudity was essential to create a successful horror formula either. I swear, the way those two have been talking about it, they probably would've been happier making a porn flick. Yeah, nudity & premarital sex are a staple of the series, but to talk about how much is in it in every interview just makes them look more like pervs than producers.

And as for the running time, another rule I guess I wasn't aware of - - that horror flicks can't be longer than 90 minutes these days. The Scream movies were all around the 2 hour mark & look how well they did. Why is having even a 100 minute F13 so out of the question? For a couple guys who love to talk about what fans they are & how determined they were to make a good F13, they sure seem to love pandering to the lowest common denominator, like everyone that'll go see this has ADD or a low IQ.

Hello, maybe the reason movies like Se7en were so successful is because they didn't treat the audience like a bunch of idiots. There's no doubt in my mind that Mark & Damian wrote a good, comprehensive script, but these "producers" seem bent on screwing them over like they got on FvsJ by dumbing it down. I'm really hoping they're exaggerating, or at least some of the unnecessary skin is in the hour they're cutting out..... :side:

[Esten]

The final movie will be 90 minutes so there's an hour of stuff that we're going to have to cut out of the movie

What is this... Rocky IV? Drago in that shit?

[Lammert]

I also hate the 90 minute 'rule'....
with this movie, to put Mrs.Voorhees in there and then Jason, and pull it of in 90 minutes without rushing the story... hmmm...

[sCabbOy]

I think the 90 minute rule really does apply to slashers. 90 minutes is about as long as I'd like to watcha slasher film for. We all agree the content in these types of film aren't Oscar worthy, and really it's hard to stomach long slasher films.

I am sure Mrs V won;t have much air time to begin with, so it will be quite easy to pull off 90 minutes.

[SlasherFreak]

I think the 90 minute rule really does apply to slashers. 90 minutes is about as long as I'd like to watcha slasher film for. We all agree the content in these types of film aren't Oscar worthy, and really it's hard to stomach long slasher films.


Scab, I was just wondering...

Would you like a glass of water for running around in my head for awhile?

[Esten]

If you start worrying about the length of a movie while watching it, then the film isn't doing it's job very well, whether it's 70 minutes or 3 hours. This film is being cut to 90 minutes for max number of showings per day. I doubt any other reason than that.

[sCabbOy]

That's different- to cut a long movie from say 110 minutes to 90 to make it more theater friendly. That also compromises the movie greatly. I'd rather see the full movie than a cut one any day.

[The Dream Master]

What is this... Rocky IV? Drago in that shit?

omg dat flik ro0l.

All I want to know is this: just what in the hell did they shoot that could fill up 2 and a half hours?! Seriously, a Friday the 13th movie that long? I love the material, and I'd watch it, but what could it really be about? I guess if it were spent on character development, that'd be alright, but I don't really think a movie needs that long to do that. Jason Lives has good characters, and it's short as hell.

[makaveddie81]

I really hope that, for the sake of character and story development, the cut footage is most of the nudity/drug use/comedy they've been talking about. With that being said, I think that the film might have a FVJ rushed feeling, given that they are basically condensing four films in 90 minutes. I think 110 minutes would be a perfect run time for this film.

[The Dream Master]

I don't think they're literally condensing four films into one. If they do things like I'd want them, we're going to get Pamela's story as a campfire tale interspersed with flashbacks that should take no more than ten minutes. Then I'm guessing we'll see Jason in the sack up until the 45 minute point, at which point he'll switch over. That pretty much covers the first three original films. After that, all that's left is a shitload of kills and the final chase, which is more than enough time, I think.

[Jigsaw]

I think the first act is when we'll see the recapping of Jason's past life and him switching from the sack to the mask, then with Act II, the present begins.

[WOLF]

I agree Dream Master. It's hard to imagine an effective slasher at 2.5 hrs. The story is very simple, and it's hard to keep the tension going for that long. Still, I'd love to see the full cut on DVD.

I say cut out some of the credits. They take more than 5 minutes themselves.

Does anybody know...are we going to see the Paramount mountain before the movie along with New Line's film symbol? I miss that god damn mountain before a Jason flick.

[DRE]

No one knows for sure but the odds are greatly in favor of the New Line logo, the PD logo, the Paramount logo and the MTV moon man logo.

[makaveddie81]

I don't think they're literally condensing four films into one. If they do things like I'd want them, we're going to get Pamela's story as a campfire tale interspersed with flashbacks that should take no more than ten minutes. Then I'm guessing we'll see Jason in the sack up until the 45 minute point, at which point he'll switch over. That pretty much covers the first three original films. After that, all that's left is a shitload of kills and the final chase, which is more than enough time, I think.

Past story = 10 minutes
Kills + setup = 2 minutes each = 26 minutes
Final chase = 20 minutes

That's 56 minutes right there. So there would be 34 minutes left over for character development, story development and the boatloads of "essential"sex and fun that they keep talking about. Also, keep in mind that the Dunes want to explain EVERYTHING regarding Crystal Lake and Jason (down to his weapon of choice). IMO 110 minutes would be give them enough time to cover everything while avoiding a rushed or long feel to the film.

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

I really, REALLY don't want certain IMPORTANT aspects of the film to be rushed just to shove Death and Nudity scenes down our throats.

[DoomDS]

No one knows for sure but the odd are greatly in favor of the New Line logo, the PD logo, the Paramount logo and the MTV moon man logo. NL is part of WB now and at some point i bet we see the WB logo. The web site for the movie has at the bottom of the page WB logo.

[Rich]

It is really started to sound like Rob Zombie's Friday the 13th to me. Too much nudity for a horror movie? I live about five minutes away from an adult video store. If I want porn, I'll just watch porn. I don't mind Friday Pt 5 style nudity, but I really hope they don't over due it like Rob Zombie did. I want this movie to focus on terror. Another thing that bothers me is that they want people to cheer for Jason. People were cheering for Jason in Parts 6 and up. People feared Jason in the first four. I am starting to doubt this movie now. I will not judge until I see obviously. At least it is back in Crystal Lake, but I hope it is suspensful.

[sCabbOy]

But really Part 5 didn't have THAT much nudity. Robin had a short scene and then Tina's sort of long, but not really scene and then one flash of breasts. That's NOTHING. There's more nudity in one scene in Slumber Party Massacre.

But I agree, too much nudity really makes the movie hard to watch. If there's so much nudity that the movie gets an NC-17 rating, well that is OVERBOARD. I want a movie I can watch in places with other people, not a borderline softcore porno.

[kramerfan]

I agree Scabboy.I dont want too much nudity.

[French Friday]

It seems we haven't read the same interview :

Fuller: It's not really one thing, it's Jason running. Seeing Jason go after people and pursue them. He's a hunter. That's something that's never been the centerpiece of one of these films, but the fact is that he sees this as his land, and these kids are coming there and they shouldn't be there. There's no forethought about what he's going to do except to eliminate the problem and move on to the next one. We wanted it to feel that way, we wanted to feel like he was a methodical, fast, brutal killer.

Derek is coming at Jason from a really interesting angle, a more sympathetic angle. What's your take on that?

Fuller: I think that's more for Derek's head than it is for the movie. I think if we go into that in the film we've done it a disservice. This isn't an origin story. We want people to cheer when Jason kills, we don't want them feeling sorry for him. We don't want them feeling bad that his mother got killed.

Why do you focus on their love for nudity when they're talking about great things like that ?

Frankly, I read this interview like someone talking about TFC. No more, no less.

They want the movie to be fun because they already did 2 TCM with torture and real drama. And if they insist on the fun parts, it's to show us the new F13 won't be their third TCM.

I'm really not anxious about that. The movie surely won't be like the Crystal Lake VR scene in Jason X which seems to be the vision you have of that new F13. I can understand the fear, but between that new interview and the comic con trailer, there's no doubt the Crystal Lake campers won't be as stupid as those two girls in Jason X.

[makaveddie81]

It is really started to sound like Rob Zombie's Friday the 13th to me. Too much nudity for a horror movie? I live about five minutes away from an adult video store. If I want porn, I'll just watch porn. I don't mind Friday Pt 5 style nudity, but I really hope they don't over due it like Rob Zombie did. I want this movie to focus on terror. Another thing that bothers me is that they want people to cheer for Jason. People were cheering for Jason in Parts 6 and up. People feared Jason in the first four. I am starting to doubt this movie now. I will not judge until I see obviously. At least it is back in Crystal Lake, but I hope it is suspensful.

I completely agree with you. However, I think what they really meant was that the death scenes will make the audience cheer, just like the final destination series. I've laughed, cursed and cheered during the death scenes even in the early films. However, I started cheering for Jason once he became an unstoppable roided up zombie and his kills became more over the top. I really hope the former applies to this new film.

[Jigsaw]

I don't really get why some people get annoyed when Jason is made to be someone you cheer for. As far back as TFC, I was rooting for him, I think he's the kind of villain you get an attachment to and you cheer for him. I think if the new film can make Jason a villain to sympathize with but also make the victims people you care for, it's a good balance.

[DRE]

Agreed. From the very beginning, I was there to see how Jason fucked these people up in various ways and cheer him on, never to fear him. I don't see this film being any different in that aspect.

[Jigsaw]

I think with the kind of hardships he's endured in his own life, Jason is someone who's easy for a lot of people to relate to and in a real way, he represents repressed rage and the urge to lash out against people you feel have wronged you. For some reason, you don't really feel that with a lot of other Horror killers, and the only others I can think of you can sympathize with in such a regard are Jigsaw and Amanda.

[makaveddie81]

I don't really get why some people get annoyed when Jason is made to be someone you cheer for. As far back as TFC, I was rooting for him, I think he's the kind of villain you get an attachment to and you cheer for him. I think if the new film can make Jason a villain to sympathize with but also make the victims people you care for, it's a good balance.

According to the most recent interview, they dont want the audience to feel sorry for him so that cancels out one of the elements required for such balance.
ADDED:
Agreed. From the very beginning, I was there to see how Jason fucked these people up in various ways and cheer him on, never to fear him. I don't see this film being any different in that aspect.

Even if some people cheered him on since the early installments, it was not the intention of the early films. The early films made an honest attempt to make Pamela and Jason feared individuals. Wanting the audience to cheer on Jason became a deliberate aspect of the film from part 6 and on IMO.

[Jigsaw]

That's contradicts what Derek Mears said he was bringing to the character, a lot of sympathy. But it's possible that was the way Mears approached the role, and not necessarily how the producers wanted it.

[The Dream Master]

But it's possible that was the way Mears approached the role, and not necessarily how the producers wanted it.

That's exactly what Fuller and Form said.

[makaveddie81]

Fuller: I think that's more for Derek's head than it is for the movie. I think if we go into that in the film we've done it a disservice. This isn't an origin story. We want people to cheer when Jason kills, we don't want them feeling sorry for him. We don't want them feeling bad that his mother got killed.

I've never felt sorry Jason TBH and despised Ronny Yu's spin on the character (which was the first time a director attempted to make Jason a sympathetic character)

[Jigsaw]

Regardless, I don't see why some people would be upset to see Jason as someone you cheer for or at least sympathize with. IMO, Jason has always been a quintessential tragic villain to me.

[makaveddie81]

I have no problem with people interpreting Jason as a sympathetic villain, never said i did. What bothers me is when directors/producers deliberately attempt to make Jason a sympathetic and tragic character (Ronny Yu).

[blink]

I agree with you, Makaveddie81. People seeing Jason as sympathetic is one thing. Everyone has a right to view it in their own way and whatever makes the movie more enjoyable to someone is a positive in my view. However, I do have a problem with the writers/director making him sympathetic. He's a mean, killing machine. It's easy to forget that when he's killing an annoying character (which we all love), but he is a killer and a vicious one at that. Any time I start to forget that I think back to the characters he's killed over the series that I truly did feel sorry for.

Its definately fine to have him kill those few characters that annoy the hell out of us, but I certainly hope they keep him a vicious monster that kills the likable, sweet characters as well. That makes him much scarier to me. Just my two...

[Rich]

Jason is a mean killing machine, there is no argueing that, but he is sympatheric as well. His childhood (according to Freddy vs. Jason) was nothing but public ridicule. He was picked on. He was left to drown in a lake, because nobody cared about him. His mother was killed. Jason is a monster created by society. Society is the real monster, because Jason is just as much of a victim as his victims are. In a way (despite Jason actually doing it) you can almost hold all those kids who picked on him and beat him up (shown in Freddy vs. Jason) responsible for the murders, because if it had not been for them, Jason would not have become what he had become. Sure I believe that everyone is responsible for their own actions. Of course we hold Jason responsible. They sent him to hell didn't they? I think those kids who picked on him and pushed him into the water should also be held accountable. Jason is a sympathetic character, frankly, whether you like it or not. He is a mean murderer, but he is more then just a guy in a mask. Watch Friday the 13th Parts 2 and 4. The scene where Ginny puts on the sweater and acts as Jason's mother and actually makes Jason kneel in front of her shows a more human and sorry side of Jason. The scene where Tommy cuts his hair and looks like Jason shows a more gentle side of the character. In Jason Lives, when Jason refused to even lay a finger on any of the kids, they went as far as showing that Jason actually has morals, so he is definitely more then "just a guy in a mask." He is a character with a backstory and personality traits.

[The Dream Master]

I don't think Jason's dream in FvJ is literal representation of what happened (meaning I don't think the kids actually pushed him into the lake and left him to drown). I think his worst nightmares meld both his ridicule and his drowning all into one; I mean, if we take that whole thing literally, that means Freddy was there fucking a dead corpse while Jason drowned.

[sCabbOy]

I think it was just bad/careless writing.

We all know he was not pushed into the water.

[The Dream Master]

I think it was just bad/careless writing.


That's your explanation for everything. :p

I don't think it's careless at all; it makes sense for that entire dream sequence to be interpreted symbolically. It shows that Jason kind of conflates his "drowning" with all the ridicule he experienced as a child, so, to him, it's all sort of one in the same in his mind.

[The New Blood]

That's your explanation for everything. :p

I don't think it's careless at all; it makes sense for that entire dream sequence to be interpreted symbolically. It shows that Jason kind of conflates his "drowning" with all the ridicule he experienced as a child, so, to him, it's all sort of one in the same in his mind.

I completely agree. I never thought of that dream sequence as being how the drowning truly happened.

[sCabbOy]

I am quite sure when it was Shannon/Swift write that scene there weren't intending for it to have subliminal and hidden meanings. I am sure they wrote it on how they thought the drowning happened. You guys give these writers too much credit.

[The New Blood]

I am quite sure when it was Shannon/Swift write that scene there weren't intending for it to have subliminal and hidden meanings. I am sure they wrote it on how they thought the drowning happened. You guys give these writers too much credit.

I don't see how that would be a "hidden meaning". Its just a dream sequence......one with Freddy fucking a corpse and pushing Jason's head under the water. So to me it really comes across as Jason simply having a dream, and not an exact recollection of an event.

[Jigsaw]

I may be in the minority of this, but I actually prefer the way FVJ depicted his drowning better than how Part 1 showed it. Makes his fate more tragic, IMO.

[makaveddie81]

I may be in the minority of this, but I actually prefer the way FVJ depicted his drowning better than how Part 1 showed it. Makes his fate more tragic, IMO.

If that was the case, then Pamela should have extracted revenge on campers and not counselors, since the campers pushed him into the lake. The essence of Jason's story (and Pam's revenge) is that he drowned because counselors weren't paying attention, not because he was pushed in by fellow campers.

[Jigsaw]

Either Pamela didn't know the whole story or she felt the counselors rather than the campers were responsible, since they didn't discipline or monitor the campers who pushed Jason into the lake.

[Lammert]

ugh don't get me started on the drowning in FvsJ...

The essence of Jason's story (and Pam's revenge) is that he drowned because counselors weren't paying attention, not because he was pushed in by fellow campers.

[VoorheesGuy91]

I completely agree. I never thought of that dream sequence as being how the drowning truly happened.

Same Here.

[JVM]

In my eyes, it doesn't matter who made Jason drown. He drowned and nobdoy helped. To me that's all that matters about it.

[Darth Sinister]

We all know he was not pushed into the water.

We do? We didn't know if he was or not. FvsJ showed us Jason's memories, as he rememebrs them. Not Freddy's version. The only thing Freddy did was mess with Jason after he went in the water.

Either Pamela didn't know the whole story or she felt the counselors rather than the campers were responsible, since they didn't discipline or monitor the campers who pushed Jason into the lake.

I'm leaning towards the latter. Thus blaming the counselors for not paying attention because they were too busy having sex, is still valid. We do not know what really happened and what we see in Pamela's mind in the first film, was her own pyschosis.

[The Dream Master]

I am quite sure when it was Shannon/Swift write that scene there weren't intending for it to have subliminal and hidden meanings. I am sure they wrote it on how they thought the drowning happened. You guys give these writers too much credit.

Well, for one thing, it doesn't matter what they intended, but did you ever think that maybe you're not giving them enough credit? I mean, you don't see them coming here and accusing you of "lazy/careless interpretation." It's not like it's even that hidden or subliminal. It was Jason's nightmare, and nightmares rarely show us our memories as they really occurred.

I guess it can go either way, but I don't take it literally at all. We already know Jason isn't the smartest guy out there, so it kind of follows that his mind would conflate all the things that happened to him into one sequence like that.

[blink]

Also, don't forget that this was Freddy we were dealing with. How many times in previous NOES did Freddy take something personal in a victim's life and exploit it in a totally messed up way in the dream in which he killed them? That is what he did. Took people's issues, used them in really weird ways (as most dreams are weird and messed up anyway), made his victim weak, and came in for the kill. I don't really view the Jason deam sequence as much different...

[JVM]

Personally I hope in the new movie we don't see anything to tell us how he started drowning. I'm okay with actually seeing him drown in the water, but I don't want to see kids pushing him in, nor him going in/out. Just leave a few small outlets for fan speculation.

[makaveddie81]

We do? We didn't know if he was or not. FvsJ showed us Jason's memories, as he rememebrs them. Not Freddy's version. The only thing Freddy did was mess with Jason after he went in the water.



I'm leaning towards the latter. Thus blaming the counselors for not paying attention because they were too busy having sex, is still valid. We do not know what really happened and what we see in Pamela's mind in the first film, was her own pyschosis.

Is this a fact??? I always thought that sequence was a flashback which painted a picture of Jason's drowning for the viewer.

[The Dream Master]

I guess it just depends on how you want to interpret that scene. It can either represent what Pamela imagines Jason's to have been, or it can be an omnicient flashback that represents what really happened.

[makaveddie81]

Personally I hope in the new movie we don't see anything to tell us how he started drowning. I'm okay with actually seeing him drown in the water, but I don't want to see kids pushing him in, nor him going in/out. Just leave a few small outlets for fan speculation.

I second that. I dont think the film will show a detailed flashback of Jason's drowning because, though the Dunes have expressed their desire to explain EVERYTHING regarding Jason and Crystal Lake, Fuller and Form have stated time and again that this is not an origin story.

[Lammert]

We didn't know if he was or not. FvsJ showed us Jason's memories, as he rememebrs them. Not Freddy's version. The only thing Freddy did was mess with Jason after he went in the water.

No... they messed with Jason by putting him in a Freddy film... Thank god we won't be getting a sequel to this pile of shit that messed up Jason.

[Darth Sinister]

Is this a fact??? I always thought that sequence was a flashback which painted a picture of Jason's drowning for the viewer.

Well, unless she was standing there frozen, my guess is that she didn't see her son drowning. The woman is nuts in the head.

[Rick]

of course Pam wasn't there, that would be her imagining what happened and a way to give the audience a visual of what happened. If Pam was there she probably would have tried to save him, or at least mention that she tried in her story.
Jason's flash back in FvsJ more then likely wasn't a memory of the actual even. It was his nightmare version of the event. Dreams are rarely (if ever) exactly representations of a single event.
What we saw in Jason's mind was probably his worst nightmare, a coming together of all of his childhood torments (being made fun of and abused) culminating in final worst moment, his drowning. All of the worst parts of his childhood taking place over and over again at the same time.

[Fright Nighter]

I'm really looking forward the remake. I think that it was the best option for the F13 series.

[Michellemabelle]

I'm really looking forward the remake. I think that it was the best option for the F13 series.

Agreed. I mean after Jason X, where else could the series go?

[makaveddie81]

Well, unless she was standing there frozen, my guess is that she didn't see her son drowning. The woman is nuts in the head.

I never said she saw him drown. All I'm saying is that my interpretation of the scene is that it is a visual of the event for the audience and not Pam's flashback per se.

[Jigsaw]

Agreed. I mean after Jason X, where else could the series go?


Definitely. After JX, the series could only go up.

[The Dream Master]

Agreed. I mean after Jason X, where else could the series go?

http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm227/jane25_bucket/Freddy_vs_Jason_movie.jpg

:shyface:

[Michellemabelle]

http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm227/jane25_bucket/Freddy_vs_Jason_movie.jpg

:shyface:

Well, chronologically speaking.:)

[DRE]

Stepping from dogshit to bullshit isn't that much of a step up. ;)

Okay, I'll layoff Ronny Yu's disaster flick for now.

[Jigsaw]

While FVJ is a better film than JX, it's still not much of a step-up. I would've liked an FVJ2, but a remake/reboot is also something I'll accept, in lieu of the saga's wrecked continuity.

[DRE]

Yeah, FvsJ is a much more enjoyable flick than Jason X for me. But all the stars are in order for the remake to destroy both those flicks (and a few more before them), and I can't wait.

[Jigsaw]

As I've said before, I think the remake/reboot will be the most entertaining film of the series since Jason Lives or The New Blood, and the scariest or at least most intense since The Final Chapter.

[VoorheesGuy91]

As I've said before, I think the remake/reboot will be the most entertaining film of the series since Jason Lives or The New Blood, and the scariest or at least most intense since The Final Chapter.

Cheers to that my friend!!!!

[Jigsaw]

Since you said cheers, http://smilies.vidahost.com/otn/party/beerchug.gif

[sCabbOy]

As I've said before, I think the remake/reboot will be the most entertaining film of the series since Jason Lives or The New Blood, and the scariest or at least most intense since The Final Chapter.


Let's hope- it really doesn't have to do much to be the most entertaining since JL.

[Jigsaw]

I think TNB was the last truly great and enjoyable film of the series, although I find JTM and FVJ to be watchable, but nothing great.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

As bad as I think JGTH is, I actually find that the gore makes it somewhat watchable.

[JVM]

Freddy vs. Jason is like Godzilla: Final Wars - It's a party flick. It's a peice of dogshit if you wanna see cinematic gold, but if you've got 6 friends, nothing to do for 90+ minutes, popcorn and a microwave, it's a good bet. Heck, people freakin begged me at my feet to play FvJ at my birthday party back in 04 or 05. Although Nate did get pulled out because his parents refused to allow him to watch it over the phone...

By the time we got to the deleted scenes, everyone had left except I think Birdissue and Stormy (I'm using cybernames to protect their identities.)

[francesco]

hey guys,
i have been out for a month around, any news???

[kramerfan]

Lots more news Francesco.Its all here.

[francesco]

thanks kramerfan ;-)

so no big news, after the official site, and the backstage footage.

[kramerfan]

I dont think so francesco

[sCabbOy]

As bad as I think JGTH is, I actually find that the gore makes it somewhat watchable.

I think JGTH is easily watchable, more re-watchable than TNB and JTM that's for sure. I love the scenes with leslie Jordan- I love that guy. He's such a flamboyant and openly gay guy and always smiling IRL.

At any rate, JGTH was a good flick for what it's worth... I just hate the fact Jason was in it. I used to loathe JGTH until I sat down and watched it and took the movie in.

[CosmoBubba]

I think JGTH is easily watchable, more re-watchable than TNB and JTM that's for sure. I love the scenes with leslie Jordan- I love that guy. He's such a flamboyant and openly gay guy and always smiling IRL.

At any rate, JGTH was a good flick for what it's worth... I just hate the fact Jason was in it. I used to loathe JGTH until I sat down and watched it and took the movie in.

I do appreciate JGTH because it at least tried to do something to freshen up the franchise. But it fell into the same trap that Jason X and FvJ fell into: they shoehorned the Jason character into a style of movie - Jason as a supernatural body-hopper; Jason as an intergalactic cyborg; A Nightmare on Elm Street, Part 8: Freddy Takes Crystal Lake - that he didn't really fit into properly.

If JGTH had been about some killer they made up on the fly instead of Jason, then I'm sure the movie would be appreciated more than what it is.

[Rich]

I enjoy Jason Goes to Hell for what it was. It was the film that dared to be different. However, the worst Paramount entry is better then the best New Line one any day in my view.

[VoorheesGuy91]

I enjoy Jason Goes to Hell for what it was. It was the film that dared to be different. However, the worst Paramount entry is better then the best New Line one any day in my view.

I beg to differ, I would much rather sit through Freddy versus Jason as opposed to sitting through the absolutley abysmal Jason Takes Manhattan...

[The Dream Master]

And I would rather watch Jason Goes to Hell before watching the original these days. :X

[francesco]

a very interesting inteview on www.chud.com
EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW: BRAD FULLER & ANDREW FORM (PRODUCERS OF FRIDAY THE 13TH)

* By Devin Faraci
* Published 08/18/2008
* Interviews
*



I know that as a serious movie buff there are a lot of movies that I should be very excited about in the coming months, but the one that's really getting my juices flowing lately is the reboot of Friday the 13th. It's been too long since this series was with us, and as an unabashed fan of all things Jason Voorhees, returning to the shores of Crystal Lake holds a lot of promise for me.

It only gets better the more I talk to Brad Fuller and Andrew Form, the Platinum Dunes producers behind this new version. As I've told you before I went to the movie's Austin set with some reservations and came home a believer. Talking to Fuller and Form at Comic Con only reinforced my belief; I don't think this is going to be a Great Movie, but I think it has the chance to be a Great Friday the 13th Movie, and how could you ever complain about that?

This seems like a fairly traditional take on Jason. Was there ever a less traditional take on the franchise, maybe one where you gave Jason lines or something?

Fuller: We had all kinds of crazy scripts. We had one script that had Jason in the suburbs and he was going into people's homes and killing him. There was the one where there was barbed wire in the water...

Form: We had one where Camp Crystal Lake was open again, and this time there were campers.

Fuller: We went through a lot of versions to come up with what we have now.

Form: But we never had a version that changed the character of Jason, just ones that put him in different settings.

What was it that drew you back to this traditional take on Jason after all of the different versions you worked through?

Fuller: Some of it is that we spent so much time in basements dismembering people, and we needed a break. We wanted to spend some time outdoors on a lake. Drew and I love to water ski, so we put a water ski boat in it, and we could have girls water ski naked - things we really hadn't had in a movie before. I'm not kidding you - part of it was wanting to have fun making a movie, and being outside. The script that [Damian Shannon and Mark Swift] came up with had these things. And it was also interjected with a sense of fun. And I don't mean that the kills are campy - it's kids out having fun in the woods, doing things kids do in the woods. It's been a long time since you've seen that. And since you've seen that in a rated R way. We wanted to go all the way with that. There's alcohol and drugs and sex.

Form: And nudity.

Fuller: A lot of nudity. Too much nudity for an R rating.

Really? Do you mix the nudity and the violence? That's what pisses the MPAA off.

Form: We do not.

Fuller: A little nudity, take a break, violence.

Form: Go back to the nudity.

When we were on set, you told me that you shot two very different versions of one kill. Derek tells me there was another kill where you did the same thing. It's interesting - did you guys come to the kills and have a lot options, or was it just these two kills? It sounds almost like murder improv.

Fuller: Usually our budget doesn't allow us the opportunity to do it that much. It happens sometimes because we're not sure what we want, and we're not sure what's going to work in the edit room. A kill is so important that you don't want to blow it. In the instances you're talking about we covered ourselves different ways to make sure we had the options we wanted. In a perfect world we'd have enough days to do every kill three ways, but we just don't have that time or that kind of money.

Watching you guys work was fascinating because you're so involved in every creative decision. Have you guys considered taking the director's chair yourselves?

Fuller: You know, it's a different job than what we do. It's a lot harder. Michael Bay is our partner, and he's a real director. It's something Drew and I have talked about, but it's not something we're actively pursuing at this point.

When you were putting this together, when you finally got this script down, aside from the drugs and the nudity, what was the one thing that you had to have? Was it a specific kill? What was it that was going to make this your Friday the 13th?

Fuller: It's not really one thing, it's Jason running. Seeing Jason go after people and pursue them. He's a hunter. That's something that's never been the centerpiece of one of these films, but the fact is that he sees this as his land, and these kids are coming there and they shouldn't be there. There's no forethought about what he's going to do except to eliminate the problem and move on to the next one. We wanted it to feel that way, we wanted to feel like he was a methodical, fast, brutal killer.

Derek is coming at Jason from a really interesting angle, a more sympathetic angle. What's your take on that?

Fuller: I think that's more for Derek's head than it is for the movie. I think if we go into that in the film we've done it a disservice. This isn't an origin story. We want people to cheer when Jason kills, we don't want them feeling sorry for him. We don't want them feeling bad that his mother got killed.

You guys have been remaking a bunch of classic horror films, but a certain kind of classic horror film - the more exploitation, pulpy style of film. But not you're remaking Hitchcock. The balls.

Fuller: Here's the thing: the only way we're going to do it is if all the parts are perfect. For us, getting to work with a director like Martin Campbell is exciting. We've never gotten to work with a director of that caliber. It's an experience that we've never had - that's a very compelling reason to make that movie for us. It takes balls to remake Hitchcock and Michael and I had this professor in college who to this day calls us and tells us not to do it. We won't do it unless it warrants it, in the same way that we wouldn't make a Jason movie where he's teleporting or where he goes into space. So it's too soon to say whether or not we're going to make that movie.

But the budget would be bigger than what you've played with in the past.

Fuller: That's a huge movie.

Are you excited to get into bigger things, to have more money?

Fuller: The budget is never really a consideration for us. We just want to keep on making movies and learn more about making movies. This is the first movie we've done that has comedy in it, and it's fun not to just be miserable and watch people die all day. It's fun to laugh! We didn't learn that until our seventh movie. It took us seven movies to learn that. We've come out of the dark and into the light a little bit. I'm not expecting us to do a romantic comedy next year, but we sure would like to interject some humor into the things we're doing because it makes more of a modulated emotional experience.

When are the fans who weren't out in San Diego going to get their first look at Jason in action?

Form: A teaser in September-ish, and a trailer a couple of months after.

And we're going to see something red band for the internet?

Form: I'm sure.

Fuller: We want to.
Spread The Word

[Darth Sinister]

That's old. It was posted on page five.

[makaveddie81]

All their interviews are the same anyway... nudity nudity sex sex comedy comedy funny funny

[francesco]

oops sorry :-( i didn't see it was already posted.

yes it's the same old interview but i like when they said about different script. i liked the script where jason was in town to kill people in their own house.

[French Friday]

All their interviews are the same anyway... nudity nudity sex sex comedy comedy funny funny

Fuller: It's not really one thing, it's Jason running. Seeing Jason go after people and pursue them. He's a hunter. That's something that's never been the centerpiece of one of these films, but the fact is that he sees this as his land, and these kids are coming there and they shouldn't be there. There's no forethought about what he's going to do except to eliminate the problem and move on to the next one. We wanted it to feel that way, we wanted to feel like he was a methodical, fast, brutal killer.

Derek is coming at Jason from a really interesting angle, a more sympathetic angle. What's your take on that?

Fuller: I think that's more for Derek's head than it is for the movie. I think if we go into that in the film we've done it a disservice. This isn't an origin story. We want people to cheer when Jason kills, we don't want them feeling sorry for him. We don't want them feeling bad that his mother got killed.

I see no nudity, sex, comedy and funny in this...

[Darth Sinister]

Don't mind him. All he does is complain about a staple of the series.

[makaveddie81]

Fuller: It's not really one thing, it's Jason running. Seeing Jason go after people and pursue them. He's a hunter. That's something that's never been the centerpiece of one of these films, but the fact is that he sees this as his land, and these kids are coming there and they shouldn't be there. There's no forethought about what he's going to do except to eliminate the problem and move on to the next one. We wanted it to feel that way, we wanted to feel like he was a methodical, fast, brutal killer.

Derek is coming at Jason from a really interesting angle, a more sympathetic angle. What's your take on that?

Fuller: I think that's more for Derek's head than it is for the movie. I think if we go into that in the film we've done it a disservice. This isn't an origin story. We want people to cheer when Jason kills, we don't want them feeling sorry for him. We don't want them feeling bad that his mother got killed.

I see no nudity, sex, comedy and funny in this...

I do here:

What was it that drew you back to this traditional take on Jason after all of the different versions you worked through?

Fuller: Some of it is that we spent so much time in basements dismembering people, and we needed a break. We wanted to spend some time outdoors on a lake. Drew and I love to water ski, so we put a water ski boat in it, and we could have girls water ski naked - things we really hadn't had in a movie before. I'm not kidding you - part of it was wanting to have fun making a movie, and being outside. The script that [Damian Shannon and Mark Swift] came up with had these things. And it was also interjected with a sense of fun. And I don't mean that the kills are campy - it's kids out having fun in the woods, doing things kids do in the woods. It's been a long time since you've seen that. And since you've seen that in a rated R way. We wanted to go all the way with that. There's alcohol and drugs and sex.

Form: And nudity.

Fuller: A lot of nudity. Too much nudity for an R rating.

Really? Do you mix the nudity and the violence? That's what pisses the MPAA off.

Form: We do not.

Fuller: A little nudity, take a break, violence.

Form: Go back to the nudity.

Let me know if you want me to post all their interviews and point out the various instances where they talk about the vast amounts of nudity, sex, drugs and comedy. I'd be glad to enlighten you... ;)
ADDED:
Don't mind him. All he does is complain about a staple of the series.

All you do is pass your opinions as facts and shun any views that differ from yours...

[blink]

while I definately share your concerns, I REALLY feel like they are just saying, "Nudity, nudity, nudity and drugs, drugs, drugs," to try and kind of appeal to the general mass of people who view the friday the 13th films as nothing more than sex, drugs, and violence. They know that they've got the Friday fanbase locked up. I've been impressed with Form and Fuller's earlier works, and the footage you showed us from Comic Con has REALLY got me pumped up for this.

Just look at what happened when someone who was a big fan of the series got ahold of it... Jason X.... While a fun movie, it should have probably stayed fan fiction, at least in terms of what it did to the Friday Series... IMO of course

so i am still excited :D:D

[Esten]

Just look at what happened when someone who was a big fan of the series got ahold of it... Jason X....

Yeah, it got rewritten to shit by Cunningham. Not Todd's fault in the least. Blame Sean, since he was the one who didn't want to make another camp movie.

[JVM]

Off-Topic: Esten, I gotta love the whole 'Not Robert Englund' thing.

I'm kinda creeped by the nudity stuff. I like nudity in the films but I'm a minor; I need parents to see this... And I doubt my parents will take me to see Jason slaughter naked bimbos.

[CosmoBubba]

If I wanted incredibly copious amounts of nudity, drug use, and violence that don't serve any purpose, I'd go watch an Eli Roth movie. I mean, I'm not going to argue with those things being in a Friday the 13th movie, but the way Fuller and Form are talking, they're going to amp those up almost to the point of making the remake the full embodiment of every single one of the franchise's stereotypes.

[Darth Sinister]

All you do is pass your opinions as facts and shun any views that differ from yours...

That's still you.

If I wanted incredibly copious amounts of nudity, drug use, and violence that don't serve any purpose, I'd go watch an Eli Roth movie. I mean, I'm not going to argue with those things being in a Friday the 13th movie, but the way Fuller and Form are talking, they're going to amp those up almost to the point of making the remake the full embodiment of every single one of the franchise's stereotypes.

I think that might be the point. They want us to know that it is a Friday film, not one of their other films.

[bloodlust]

I cant wait for the release of the new movie I have seen every 1 in the theater I love them all just for the blood and gore and stupidity of some of the victims

[makaveddie81]

That's still you.

Whatever.

I think that might be the point. They want us to know that it is a Friday film, not one of their other films.

They dont need to amp up everything to remind us its a Friday film.

[Germaniac]

Whoa, people complain about nudity (and drugs) in the F13th films? It is essential just as the blood (IMO) ! The F13th saga is known for skinnydipping/pe-marital-sex (as well as blood and gore of course).

[bloodlust]

the trailer caught me off guard jason sprinting after victim
ADDED:
havent seen him run since part 2

[Germaniac]

the trailer caught me off guard jason sprinting after victim
ADDED:
havent seen him run since part 2

Re-watch Part 4, he clearly runs after Trish. (He was also kinda running in Part 3 (but he was handicapped because of the stab wound).

[CosmoBubba]

Whoa, people complain about nudity (and drugs) in the F13th films? It is essential just as the blood (IMO) ! The F13th saga is known for skinnydipping/pe-marital-sex (as well as blood and gore of course).

It's not that I'm complaining about all that stuff being included in the movie. It wouldn't be a proper Friday The 13th movie without topless women and violence and the occasional depiction of drug use. I guess I'm just afraid of Platinum Dunes going overboard with it and turning the movie into a parody of itself.

[kramerfan]

Hi bloodlust have u seen 3 and 4?He runs in those also.

[makaveddie81]

It's not that I'm complaining about all that stuff being included in the movie. It wouldn't be a proper Friday The 13th movie without topless women and violence and the occasional depiction of drug use. I guess I'm just afraid of Platinum Dunes going overboard with it and turning the movie into a parody of itself.

Exactly.....

[Rich]

So it seems as though the new film may be the ultimate steriotype Friday the 13th movie. We can not judge until we see, but Andrew really seems to be pumping the nudity aspect of the film. I am not excpecting a soft corn porn flick that was Friday 5. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but at least I know what kind of mindset to bring to the new film (not to mention a spare pair of boxers :D).

[Jason_Legend]

When the producers say there's going to be "Too much nudity for an R Rating", I wonder if that means there's some full frontal in this movie? Full Frontal doesn't mean NC-17 obviously, but they talk so much about the unbelievable amounts of nudity, that I wonder if they got a full frontal in there.

[bloodlust]

he has never ran like this he was frickin sprinting like he was in the olympics and in part 4 it was not even a jog
ADDED:
more of a power walk if ya ask me

[Rich]

He moved pretty fast in Part 4. Trish was faster then he was, but he was moving very fast. Take a look at his initial sprint when he first started to chase her down the stairs. Then look at the scene where he sprints toward her and makes her jump out the window. Also, look at the scenes in Part 2 where he is chasing Ginny with the pitchfork. He was moving very fast.

You need to go back and re-watch Parts 2-4 and see how Jason runs, because those are the films that the new one is based on.

[blink]

I have to go with Bloodlust on this one... The run he did in the new footage was fast and brutal (more like part 2)

Part 4 felt more like speedwalking... MAYBE a light jog but not running... at least not like part 2 or like the remake from the brief scenes I saw

[Germaniac]

As Rich just stated: Trish runs towards the teeny-house Jason clearly RUNS after her in full speed. Jason powerwalked in 6 (when he came after Tommy in the lake).

[Rich]

He was not speed walking in part 4. He was definitely running. Maybe his leg still hurt from being stabbed with a knife and maybe he even hurt himself when he dove out of the way of the speeding van, but he was definitely running in Part 4. Also, remember it was raining and the ground was wet, so he could not run at full force or he would slip. Maybe there were also twigs on the ground and things he might have had to run over. Maybe the tunnel vision in his mask combined with the darkness of night and the rain getting in his eyes slowed him down a bit, but in any case, he was still moving very fast. Once he got inside the house(s) he moved faster so maybe I may have hit some valid points. In any case, though he was moving very fast in Part 4. Hell, he probably would have caught me.

[Darth Sinister]

Jason ran full bore in the third film, despite hobbling because of his leg wound. In the fourth film, he was running to beat the band while chasing Trish between houses. Because the distance between two it doesn't seem like much. There's also another difference. Ted White was in his 50's, I think. Derek Mears is like in his early 30's. They're also built differently and the footage was shot differently. The second film featured a chase sequence that was primarily shot outdoors, which allowed Steve Dash more freedom to run.

Anyway, I think that in terms of nudity, there will probably be two or three sex scenes. And there will be a skinny dipping scene. And even though they've filmed a lot, there may be cuts due to the MPAA. So the initial review will determine what will be cut and what will be kept in.

[Rick]

Despite how much they are talking nudity I doubt it's going to be boobs every other scene or female characters walking around the entire time with their tops off.
I think everyone (including Fuller and Form) is making a bigger deal out of this then it's really going to be.
I think they keep talking about the stereotypical things most people expect from this movie because they are trying to sell it to the casual fans, not the long-time fans like us that know pretty much what toexpect.
If this movie has a bunch of topless scenes, so be it. If it has a couple characters like Freeberg or Chuck and Chilli that light up a lot then so be it.
I doubt this is going to be a Cheech and Chong flick, mixed with Porky's and a guy in a goalie mask thrown in.

[French Friday]

makaveddie81 :

I understand where your fears come from, we read the same interviews, but as you maybe know, or not, I'm always here on this board to show the positive parts of every film project made on this earth. :)

So despite reading "nudity" and "funny" a lot in their interviews, I prefer focusing on the passage I quoted, the one I believe in more than any other. The one with the movie I want to see.

[Hockey Mask]

Off-Topic: Esten, I gotta love the whole 'Not Robert Englund' thing.

I'm kinda creeped by the nudity stuff. I like nudity in the films but I'm a minor; I need parents to see this... And I doubt my parents will take me to see Jason slaughter naked bimbos.

That sums up what is wrong with America when a naked woman is frowned upon more than multiple blood-lettings. But that is a debate for another day.

[The New Blood]

That sums up what is wrong with America when a naked woman is frowned upon more than multiple blood-lettings. But that is a debate for another day.

yeah, for real. That is a sick mentality right there.

[makaveddie81]

makaveddie81 :

I understand where your fears come from, we read the same interviews, but as you maybe know, or not, I'm always here on this board to show the positive parts of every film project made on this earth. :)

So despite reading "nudity" and "funny" a lot in their interviews, I prefer focusing on the passage I quoted, the one I believe in more than any other. The one with the movie I want to see.

I just wish that there was one interview where, for once, they would focus on the horror aspect of the film and not repeatedly mention the vast amounts of comedy, drugs, sex and nudity that the film will have. When they repeatedly push these factors, they come across as ignorant horror fans who only watch Friday flicks to get a boner and sont take this franchise seriously.

[The New Blood]

When they repeatedly push these factors, they come across as ignorant horror fans who only watch Friday flicks to get a boner and sont take this franchise seriously.

Sorry to break it to you, but not too many people take these movies seriously.

[makaveddie81]

Sorry to break it to you, but not too many people take these movies seriously.

I am quite aware of that thank you very much. My point still stands as they come across as ignorant and immature when they keep gloating about the excess nudity in the film. BTW, dont you think the people producing the film should take it seriously?

[Jason_Legend]

They've said they want a brutal movie again. The nudity and jokes, is just added bonuses. Plus, they've said the jokes are natural jokes, not campy shit.

[francesco]

they said the trailer will be out in november! I think it will be attacked to SAW!

[Sketch Sanchez]

makaveddie81 :

I understand where your fears come from, we read the same interviews, but as you maybe know, or not, I'm always here on this board to show the positive parts of every film project made on this earth. :)

.

Its true, and not only that you usually find ways to make any films within a series fit somehow, someway. :p

I cant wait to see how you make this one fit. ;)

[makaveddie81]

they said the trailer will be out in november! I think it will be attacked to SAW!

I thought I read September. My bet is we'll see something on Friday September 12th or Saturday September 13th... just a hunch of mine...
ADDED:
They've said they want a brutal movie again. The nudity and jokes, is just added bonuses. Plus, they've said the jokes are natural jokes, not campy shit.

Judging by the trailer I leaked, I have no doubt that the movie will be brutal. I just think it be appropriate if they focused on the horror aspect of the film in one interview and not even mention comedy, sex, or drugs for once...

BTW they don't seem like added "bonuses" when the bulk of their interviews focus on those three aspects...

[Darth Sinister]

They've also spoken about the brutality and gore in this film. You just continue to glaze over it and focus on the aspects that you don't like.

[makaveddie81]

They've also spoken about the brutality and gore in this film. You just continue to glaze over it and focus on the aspects that you don't like.

I never said they haven't addressed the brutality and gore that will be in the film. I just think that they should stop (at least for one interview) pushing the amount of sex, nudity and comedy and focus on just the horror aspect. Get it? ;)

[VoorheesGuy91]

Considering how eternally grateful I am to Makaveddie for leaking the teaser (:D)...I feel the need to come to his defense. It is easy to see that there are two sides to this argument. Basically what Eddie is saying is that the producers should stop gloating on the mass amount's of nudity, and basically focus on what is really important. I can't say that I disagree...but on the other hand, an F13 film without nudity is like a Coke without rum. But do the producer's need to constantly mention the nudity factor in the film??? My opinion is definatley not. Most people know to expect nudity in an F13 film, that's just common sense

[blink]

I just think it's obvious that this isn't "Porky's featuring Jason Vorhees." Yeah, it would be nice to hear more about the gore and the story, but they are trying to market this thing. Why pander to an audience (Friday fans) that is already locked up? I am personally satisfied with what I am hearing so far, and I'm a huge Friday fan. I think it's just the questions being asked that probably is leading to this. Unless I hear Marcus Nispel running aound bragging about nudity, drugs, and this film being the Sleepaway Camp 3 of 2009, I won't be too worried.

If anything, the footage should have assuaged fear about a lack of brutalness or seriousness to the Jason character as well as the film itself.

[JVM]

I'd say this arguement is a double-edged sword. :D

I don't care about nudity, If my friend's parents take him, I'll more than likely be asked (*coughcoughbegcough*) to be taken along this time. I just hope we don't get more than 3 sex scenes. I'm a pervert but I try hard not to show it. What's weird is people call me a pervert, yet I'm the only damn person at the Zoo not laughing at the turtle humping. :shifty:

[makaveddie81]

Considering how eternally grateful I am to Makaveddie for leaking the teaser (:D)...I feel the need to come to his defense. It is easy to see that there are two sides to this argument. Basically what Eddie is saying is that the producers should stop gloating on the mass amount's of nudity, and basically focus on what is really important. I can't say that I disagree...but on the other hand, an F13 film without nudity is like a Coke without rum. But do the producer's need to constantly mention the nudity factor in the film??? My opinion is definatley not. Most people know to expect nudity in an F13 film, that's just common sense

Thank you. Like I said before, I have no doubts regarding the brutality of the film. It just really bothers me that the producers keep gloating on the amount of nudity and comedy and fail to address the more important aspects of the film. They just come across the wrong way by doing so time and again. Has Nispel been interviewed yet? I am really curious about his take on the film and I really dont see him shoving sex and comedy down our throats, but rather focus on whats really important.

[Cody]

Yoo Talks New Friday the 13th (http://www.shocktillyoudrop.com/news/topnews.php?id=7633)

Actor Aaron Yoo is no stranger to the horror genre having starred in DreamWorks' 2007 hit thriller Disturbia with Shia Labeouf, but next year, he's one of the young stars going back to basics when he stars in Platinum Dunes' relaunch of the classic slasher franchise Friday the 13th.

In Toronto for the premiere of his new movie Nick and Norah's Infinite Playlist, Yoo told ShockTillYouDrop.com a few things about the upcoming remake.

"I think the biggest difference is that Jason is fast, and he's realistic," he began. "It's not the kind of horror movie where stalk slowly, run fast and somebody catches up, there's none of the teleportation thing (from past movies)...the basic storyline idea of Jason is the same, and he's got this 2 and a half foot machete."

Along with John Carpenter's Halloween, the original Friday the 13th, released 28 years ago, created some of the horror cliches that have been diligently followed in so many other teen horror movies, including most of the previous Jason Voorhees movies where we know exactly who's going to die. We wondered if the same was going to be true for Yoo's character, who presumably plays the funny guy who never survives a slasher flick. (And there's a fairly big SPOILER WARNING in his response.)

"There are horror conventions that are there because they work. Like when my character goes to this toolshed by himself, you know what's going to happen, that's partially the point. I spent 14 hours covered, covered, covered in fake blood and that is the worst situation you could ever be in... it's the grossest. But yeah, from what I'm hearing and what we were trying to do, is that it might be one of the most well-made horror movies that you'll see. I'm hearing really, really good things about it. We're calling it 'F13' and I don't know if that will actually wind up being a tagline for it, but I know our Platinum Dunes guys, Brad Fuller and Andrew Form, they did Texas Chainsaw Massacre, they told me this is the best movie they've made."

Considering the raging debates that have surrounded movies like Zack Snyder's remake of Dawn of the Dead in terms of "slow zombies" vs. "fast zombies", we wondered whether the same sort of debates might surround the new movie. "I don't know what kind of stuff it's going to start. I've always loved horror movies and they took a piece to Comic Con, and it just struck me how crazy and rabid people who love horror movies, it's a really big obsession," Yoo said.

[francesco]

sounds good to me. i can't believe that they think this will be their best movie. i mean it's impossible to think about a friday the 13th as a good movie. But it will be great to see a GOOD friday!
ahhhhhhhhhh can't wait. 5 months so far.

[Rich]

Considering the raging debates that have surrounded movies like Zack Snyder's remake of Dawn of the Dead in terms of "slow zombies" vs. "fast zombies", we wondered whether the same sort of debates might surround the new movie.

That will not happen because zombies are supposed to be slow, but Jason in Parts 2-4 is fast moving, because he is not a zombie until Part 6. So that will not cause any debate because we know it is the Jason of the 2-4 era.

[Sketch Sanchez]

That will not happen because zombies are supposed to be slow, but Jason in Parts 2-4 is fast moving, because he is not a zombie until Part 6. So that will not cause any debate because we know it is the Jason of the 2-4 era.

Okay-a-zombies arent supposed to be anything, they're made up--they can be whatever a person wants them to be and b-Fast Jason vs. Slow Jason has been debated before tons of times around here. i think that was the point of the question, weather similar debates to the zombie one will pop up to which I say, oh yes-because it has.

[Harmonic Bond]

Agreed. Zombies have been fast in the past (ROTLD, which is in very loose continuity with Romero's Dead series) and no one complained. I can understand if a movie tries to set itself up inside the canon of a series, that the creators respect the mythos of the movies before it. However, this thought of movies which are based on (not to be confused with "set within the mythology of") some book or previous movie should adhere directly to all the constructs of the source material are, in my opinion, completely ridiculous.

Basically, I think people are bored, and are passing time by making up rules as they go.

[CrazyChris187]

I cant wait to see this movie im pumped i just cant wait to see jason back again and 2,3,4 are like my favorite flms so if thats what this is based on sweeet and i love in the trailer him running after the girl and like slicing her in half it looked like

[Rich]

Agreed. Zombies have been fast in the past (ROTLD, which is in very loose continuity with Romero's Dead series)

Yeah, but that was part spoof and part spin off and part Wes Craven's New Nightmareish as in NOTLD was just a movie kind of thing. Return was not meant to be taken seriously. It was a horror comedy.

I understand zombies are made up and can be anything, but in a way even a fictional character whom is totally free to interpretation can have some rules. When it comes to zombies, they are slow moving in my brain and that is it. The creatures in the remake of Dawn were not zombies to me (key words)...they were other creaters.

"You're dead flesh, if you try to run, your foot will fall off." - George A. Romero's Diary of the Dead

[Sketch Sanchez]

Well, first of all, I was just bustin yer chops Rich but they way you put "supposed to be" it implied that there is was way zombies should be acting as if they're a real life thing-which gave me a bit of pause. Like if someone had a dog meow and you'd be like, uh, "dogs arent supposed to meow" and you'd be right, cuz they dont (wtf am I saying? I'm gonna leave it in anyway.) but zombies? Skys the limit. I do agree that they should have some rules but I think the only rules should be that they consume human flesh and that they are dead. Thats it. Anything else and it gets to be too strict.

Kinda like vampires, you know? Theres all kinds of different kinds of vamps, the only constant usually being that they have fangs to suck yer blood and that they hate sunlight.

Its all good tho. :)

[Culp]

Jason wasn't your run of the mill zombie though, was he? He regenerates too, so I'm sure a little hop scotch won't have him lose too many limbs ;)

[Sketch Sanchez]

No definitely not.

He was never exactly "slow" for one thing, I mean he just (power) walked after people but that doesnt make him slow, he was fast at other things.

Like dancing! Man can he ever cut a rug.

[sCabbOy]

Jason was never a zombie. He is undead, a very huge difference.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

I never considered Jason a zombie. He never actually ate human flesh....which is a big factor of a zombie.

[Rich]

That is correct. Jason Voorhees was never a zombie in any form. He never ate human flesh. He was never a slave under voodoo powers. He was simply undead. It is just easy to say "zombie" Jason to describe which era of the character who are referring to.

[NW77]

Jason was never a zombie. He is undead, a very huge difference.

I never considered Jason a zombie. He never actually ate human flesh....which is a big factor of a zombie.


Same here, you two. Just because he is a rotting, walking corpse doesn't mean he is a zombie.

[sCabbOy]

Jason was merely a corpse that was re-animated by something supernatural. He functioned as he was alive (beating heart, breathing) but he was dead. Zombies are generally the walking dead (not breathing, no heart beat).

[mcubs1876]

Didn't take long for the updates to die off! It's getting boring waiting around for something.

[Jigsaw]

We'll probably get something new very soon, it's only a matter of time. By December or so, I'd imagine we'll be getting more news and such, with only a mere two months to the release by then.

[Jason_Legend]

I'm waiting for the MPAA news to pop up.

[Darth Reaper]

"You're dead flesh, if you try to run, your foot will fall off." - George A. Romero's Diary of the Dead- Rich

Dead flesh shouldn't be up and walking around in the first place. Once you've gotten past that first major hurdle, who says you can't get past others?

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

I'm just waiting for the official online release of the Teaser Trailer.

And Maybe a few more pics here and there. :D

[simonthekillerewok]

I wouldn't mind seeing the same trailer from the san diego comic con but in higher quality

[The Dark Vampire]

To be honest I hope the sex and nudity is toned way down in the new one/s one of the hings I did dislike about The F13 series was the amount on sex/nudity in them it did put me off them.

Imply what's going off is OK but you could always show them just finishing getting dressed before Jason kills them it would still have the same effect

[sCabbOy]

I don't want sex aside from some short clips. I never liked hard nudity on horror movies, and I am sure there won;t be in the theatrical cut to keep this an R rated film.

[VoorheesGuy91]

What is with the sudden "die-off" of info???

[blink]

yeah, I realize that we are in that typical period before a film's release where news slows down a great bit, but I'm dying for something.... ANYTHING! teaser, trailer info, a new pic, an interview, etc. etc. Just things to keep the excitement in the air...

Hell, even just a quick quote from Fuller or someone talking about some ridiculous sequel scenarios they have joked about would be fun.

[francesco]

hey guys, we have to wait till halloween to know something more. just wait!

[Darth Reaper]

Personally, I want to see nudity in this film. I just can't help myself. I certainly don't want this to turn into a soft core porn flick, but one of the things I enjoy about many of the F13s is the flesh that's on display. :shyface:

[Rich]

This is the slasher genre. Sex is a part of the equation. I don't mind it. With the way the producer are describing the film, it will have tones of it. Just how much do we need? Who knows, but it is a part of the genre. If you don't like nudity then what are you doing watching Friday the 13th films? That is like saying you don't like martial arts, but you watch Bruce Lee movies.

I would imaigion that it is going to be similar to Part 7 where they have random couples all doing it in different places but at the same time. Jason gets to pick and choose his pre-murder peep show. :D:p

[The Dark Vampire]

If you don't like nudity then what are you doing watching Friday the 13th films? That is like saying you don't like martial arts, but you watch Bruce Lee movies.


To be honest that's a bad comparison as F13th movies are horror movies if you said if you don't like scary or slasher movies but you watch F13th or you don't like to watch sex nudity but watch porn that would make sense (I don't watch porn BTW)

I watch f13th and other horrors to see a scary movie o at least see someone go around killing people off not for sex/nudity

Like I said I dislike the sex/nudity in F13th and to be honest that's one of the reasons why I prefer NOES.

If the new F13th is going to have a lot then I probably won't bother with it

[sCabbOy]

Well, since the original F13th series really didn't have THAT much nudity that's a null point. I watch the movies for the KILLS they are HORROR films, not pornos.

[Darth Sinister]

While the early Friday films didn't have as much, it is part of the staple of the slasher-horror films. Using "Halloween" as the benchmark, almost every film of its kind either had nudity or sex with nudity. Only a small number of films avoided relying on sex and/or nudity as a selling point for a horror film. That's why it has become a cliche of the slasher-horror genre and when JGTH was tested, people freaked because it wasn't in there. The "have sex and die" cliche. Some may not like the abundence of it, but it is one of the things that made the slasher-horror genre what it is.

[The Dark Vampire]

Well, since the original F13th series really didn't have THAT much nudity that's a null point.Not much granted but still to much fo my liking

[JVM]

The way they talk about the new movie, it sounds like it's screwing, Jason kills one of the screwers, a new screwer comes, more screwing, Jason kills one of the screwers, a new screwer comes, more screwing, Jason kills one of the screwers, a new screwer comes, more screwing, Jason kills one of the screwers, a new screwer comes, more screwing, Jason kills one of the screwers, a new screwer comes, more screwing, Jason kills one of the screwers, a new screwer comes, more screwing, Jason kills one of the screwers, a new screwer comes, more screwing, Jason kills one of the screwers, a new screwer comes, more screwing, Jason kills one of the screwers, a new screwer comes, more screwing, Jason kills one of the screwers, a new screwer comes, more screwing, Jason kills one of the screwers, a new screwer comes, more screwing, Jason kills one of the screwers, a new screwer comes, more screwing, Jason kills one of the screwers, a new screwer comes, more screwing, Hero girl does absitence, she and her boyfriend kill Jason, they screw, End Credits, post-credits scene of Jason screwing.

Seriously, Sex and Nudity are fine, but they're putting too much emphasis on it. They are impotant to a movie, but they aren't crucial.

[makaveddie81]

Well... Friday September 12th and Saturday September 13th passed and there was no update or trailer like I predicted there would be :(

Fuller's last update was more than a month ago! What the fuck gives?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

They said we should expect to see a trailer around September-ish, yet were already halfway through September and nothing!

This is getting really frustrating!!!!!

OK... venting session over... I feel better...I guess...

[VoorheesGuy91]

I'm really starting to get impatient because I am dying for some new info!!! Around Comic-Con, we couldn't get enough inside info...but the last month has been a sudden die off :cry:

[Rich]

Well, since the original F13th series really didn't have THAT much nudity that's a null point. I watch the movies for the KILLS they are HORROR films, not pornos.

Friday 5 and 7 had a lot of it. Friday 2 had full frontal. Friday 1 and 3 had quick clips. Friday is a horror series, make no mistake, but each and every film contains "adult" material. That is a part of the genre. It is not the whole genre, but it is a part of it.

I don't want them going over board with it either believe it, but I have a feeling they might make it like Friday 7, in terms of having multiple couples going at it at once. That would be kind of funny.

The producers are saying it has "too much nudity for a rated R movie" or however they put it. That is probably a bit over board, but let's just wait and see.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

If there is as much nudity as they're suggesting, then this might be crossing into soft-core territory.

I agree with you guys. It's good to have a some nudity in horror films.....that's always been a factor in them. Who DOESN'T like nudity in horror flicks? :p But not the MAIN factor, as they seem to be suggesting, so I hope there won't be TOO much to take away from the horror/suspense.

[Rich]

I want it to be suspensful and scary and have lavish murder scenes and give us everything that a Friday the 13th film is suposd to have. Give us a good Harry Manfredini music score. Give us atmosphere. If we get nudity (as a man) I would enjoy it. I really want the main ingrediants of a Friday film in tact first.

We need the urban legend mythology intact as well.

[kramerfan]

I agree 200% Rich.

[blink]

It may just be me, but I feel like we're all being RIDICULOUS about this sex stuff. It won't be a porno. It won't be even remotely close to what we even see on cinemax. This is a movie that is going to get an R rating and play in movie theatres.. There's only so much nudity and sex they will be allowed to leave in. ESPECIALLY in a horror movie. The fact that its not, "Classy sex," means even less is allowed to be shown. I think everyone needs to step back, take a valium, and relax a bit...


Yeesh

[sCabbOy]

You're right, but realistically when the movie is submitted to the MPAA and they are given an initial NC-17 (which will happen) the cuts that are made may be with gore to try and keep the sex in to get an R. Hell, leaving in a sex scene and omitting a gore scene may be a sacrifice. However the movie will more than likely be released unrated/uncut where those sex scenes will be in the movie in their full glory.

[francesco]

u don't know if it will get NC-17. just wait, maybe there's not all that nudity they are talking about!

[French Friday]

Yeah, remember : those who talk about it the most are those who do it the least. :D

So maybe they're talking about a whale when it's just a goldfish.

[Jason_Legend]

I don't care what they cut, as long as they let it all hang out on the DVD.

[blink]

It will be rated R and then more than likely it will be released uncut on DVD. NO horror film that wants to make ANY money would be released NC-17. I won't go into it, but the NC-17 or even Unrated stigma would hurt the film so much financially that it simply wouldn't be worth it. They'll cut sex and gore longggg before that would even be a possibility.

But they allow so much in R films nowadays that I'm sure Nispel can churn out a pretty brutal, awesome film. :)

[sCabbOy]

Well, I say it will get NC-17 because every Friday The 13th did with the first MPAA viewing. If a film is submitted, and MPAA rejects it and requests cuts, then I am sure that constitutes for NC-17 or worse an X. They want an R rating, and after MPAA gives an R they won't re-submit.

[DedKid]

Meh, I'd rather see sex scenes cut over gore scenes, but it all depends on the particular stick up the MPAA's ass that day. Their notes aren't exactly detailed, but they are specific as to what they're deeming offensive. Like a bunch of over the hill house-wives & old, retired big-business men would watch a Friday the 13th anyway.... :X

[SlasherFreak]

Tits don't bother me at all, lets just hope the titties in this film are as big as the chick's from part 5!

[Rich]

The Motion Pussy Assholes of America seem to have a much smaller stick up their asses then they used to when it comes to horror. Just look at all the cencorship in The New Blood and then look at how much films like The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (2003) and The Beginning got away with.

If a film is rated R it is for adults ANYWAY, so there is no point or even right to tell an adult what he or she can not see. Viewers have civil rights and so do story tellers and artists (all under the very same first ammendmant).

As a 25 year old hard worker and tax payer and active citizen within society I have a right to watch whatever I want whenever I want. As an artist/story teller in a country that boasts freedom of expression, they also have every right to tell the story they want however they see fit.

Friday the 13th films are R rated films. They are not children's films, therefore there is no need for censorship.

[VoorheesGuy91]

Strait from B-D:

We confirmed today that you'lll finally be able to see the trailer for Platinum Dunes, Paramount Pictures and Warner Bros.' Friday the 13th remake on October 24th with prints of Lionsgate's SAW V. Watch for more details soon. The pic directed by Marcus Nispel is the retelling of the original Friday the 13th about teenaged summer camp counselors that are systematically slaughtered by a mysterious killer. Jason Voorhees will wear the mask and kill, keeping the famous setting of Crystal Lake.

[The Dream Master]

Boy, I didn't see that coming (http://www.f13-community.co.uk/board/showpost.php?p=173531&postcount=25).

Yep, I scooped Bluddy-Digutting months ago.

[NW77]

Boy, I didn't see that coming (http://www.f13-community.co.uk/board/showpost.php?p=173531&postcount=25).

Yep, I scooped Bluddy-Digutting months ago.

Just like you, I figure it would be showing with SAW V. Good to see I was right. :D

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

Damn, The Dream Master....you can foresee the future.

Either way, it's good to know that it'll be attached to SAW V.

[VoorheesGuy91]

Atleast now I have a reason to go and see Saw V lol!

[sCabbOy]

I think what 5-6 of us predicted that the trailer wpould be played with Saw V. I think that was a no-brainer, Saw should be THE horror to see around Halloween and Friday The 13th trailer will be THE trailer that will make an impact on that horror audience.

[Jigsaw]

Awesome, I had a feeling the trailer for this would be attached to Saw V. Can't wait to see it.

[Jason_Legend]

Tits don't bother me at all, lets just hope the titties in this film are as big as the chick's from part 5!


I hope they're real, just like Part 5. Even though I prefer real breasts, I don't mind fake breasts, as long as they don't look like bowling balls bolted on skin.

[The New Blood]

I hope they're real, just like Part 5. Even though I prefer real breasts, I don't mind fake breasts, as long as they don't look like bowling balls bolted on skin.

I don't recall seeing any fake tities in part 5. Just some big natural ones.

[makaveddie81]

I dont know if this has been posted before but the F13 Comic-Con presentation has been posted on youtube

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v59GgXSpuTU&feature=related

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0bogNnXOdk&feature=related

My question is at 5:20 in Part 2. Unfortunately, the guy cut it off after I said "Hi my name is Eddie and first of all..." Fucker...

Nevermind... here's another version... my question is at 6:12... Judging by Jared's reaction, I guess it was a pretty good question!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH484j4wlWk&NR=1

[Jason_Legend]

I don't recall seeing any fake tities in part 5. Just some big natural ones.


Yeah, I know. I meant, I hope this new movie has real ones, like Part 5. But as I said, as long as they're not ridiculous looking, I don't mind fake ones.

[Rick]

...But as I said, as long as they're not ridiculous looking...

Like Odessa Munroe's at the beginning of Freddy vs Jason? They looked like bowling balls cut in half and stuck to her chest.

[Jason_Legend]

Like Odessa Munroe's at the beginning of Freddy vs Jason? They looked like bowling balls cut in half and stuck to her chest.

You are correct, sir.

[Rich]

The pic directed by Marcus Nispel is the retelling of the original Friday the 13th about teenaged summer camp counselors that are systematically slaughtered by a mysterious killer. Jason Voorhees will wear the mask and kill, keeping the famous setting of Crystal Lake.

It is a re-telling of the original, and Jason wears his mask. That makes he crack up every time. It just goes to show how many people have probably never even seen the original.

[sCabbOy]

It is a re-telling of the original, and Jason wears his mask. That makes he crack up every time. It just goes to show how many people have probably never even seen the original.

I think it would be more accurate to say "retelling of the original saga" which could be considered 1-4.

[VoorheesGuy91]

I think it would be more accurate to say "retelling of the original saga" which could be considered 1-4.

Agreed...:bow:

[French Friday]

It is a re-telling of the original, and Jason wears his mask. That makes he crack up every time. It just goes to show how many people have probably never even seen the original.

Well, that's two different sentences and the first one about "a mysterious killer" in the original film is correct. So that's not totally wrong.

[Cody]

Arlen "Lawrence" Escarpeta talks (http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/news/13729)

"Lawrence is a really cool laid back kind of cat. He's not a follower, in the sense of he walks to the beat of his own drum and he definitely doesn't want or like people to think that they can size him up..."

In the film, Lawrence and a group of other teens end up at a cabin in the woods... near Crystal Lake. "Trent's Cabin should be the name of a new club on Sunset... A little bit of everything goes on there- flaming drinks, ultimate beer pong, sex, and naked monopoly. OK, scratch the last one..." he jokes.

Escarpeta talked a bit about the new Jason's mannerisms.

"He definitely does [move fast]," he explains. "I think both fast and slow Jason has something to bring to the table. Whether he's moving fast or slow, it's really all about the build up that gets you.. But I must say the debate on outrunning Jason just got a little bit more interesting..."

Jason Voorhees is know for more than the mask, as he uses an array of weapons.

"For the most part, everything is sharp, blunt or can at least penetrate the human head..."

Click the link to spoil his fate.

[francesco]

well he spoiled to much but it's a funny interview.

[Cody]

Photo gallery (http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/film/701/gallery) updated with 3 pictures of the Lawrence character.

[Rich]

Well, that's two different sentences and the first one about "a mysterious killer" in the original film is correct. So that's not totally wrong.

I understand that, it just makes me laugh how the media always says it is a Friday the 13th remake, when in fact, if anything it is going to be an alternate Part 2 (through 4).

It is basically a sequel to the original film taking bits and pieces from Parts 2-4 to make an alternate sequel to the original.

In the year 2009, there is nothing mysterious about Jason Voorhees. Everyone knows him. He has action figures on the market. :p

[sCabbOy]

...thus keeping Part 1 and remaking 2-4

sorry, I felt the need to throw that in. Nevermind me.