A Nightmare on Elm Street discussion

[BlakeTyner]

One, two, Freddy's coming for you. Talk about the film that made New Line Cinema here. Bob Shaye love is appreciated.

~BT

[Deathscythe]

Nothing can top Glens death, still my favorite in the series. I found it pretty weird through, Glen didn't seem to fear Freddy, he looked like he didn't care at all.

[BlakeTyner]

Hmm..interesting.

The only thing I can figure is this:

By the time Nancy realizes that it is fear that gives Freddy strength, she's the only one left...so when she stops fearing him, his power goes away. When Glen is killed, Nancy (and maybe others...I forget) are still alive and still able to feed Freddy, right? So there *was* fear for him, just maybe not Glen's.

That's all I got.

~BT

[The Dream Master]

Also, Glen could have just been acting like a hard-ass. I'm sure that the strange deaths of two of his close friends had him at least a little spooked.

[Rich]

My favorite scenes are Tina's death and the scene where Nancy is looking down at Rod sleeping with Freddy looking up at her laughing.

[James M]

I'd say I enjoy the original series in this order:
Nightmare 1
Freddy's Revenge
Dream Master
Dream Warriors
Freddy's Dead
Dream Child
New Nightmare

Yes, I ranked both Freddy's Revenge and Dream Master above Dream Warriors. I just find them much more enjoyable. Dream Warriors does have a great story, but I don't know...it just doesn't quite click with me like it does for others. And I'm apparently the only person in the world who doesn't really enjoy New Nightmare. It's not that I "didn't get it," nor do I "have ADD." I just find it a really dull and underwhelming film. That's me, though. I can see the qualities that may make others like it.

[CanadianFonzie]

as I said in the therad for NOES part 3, the main three that I like from the series are the first one, the 3rd one and New Nightmare, probably cause they all contain Heather...but I'm not 100% sure that is the reason

[Rich]

The thing about the "Heather Trilogy" is that they alone tell a story all by themselves without even needing any of the other films.

It is no secret that I consider A Nightmare on Elm Street (1984) and Wes Craven's New Nightmare (1994) to be not only the two best films in the Nightmare series, but two out of my four favorite slasher movies (and horror movies for that matter) of all time.

[CanadianFonzie]

that's true, watching part 3, there is no mention at all of part 2, and New Nightmare was "outside" of the movies, really actually only concentrating on the first NOES and not the 3rd

[Rich]

only concentrating on the first NOES

The reasons for that are fairly obvious. :)

It does mention the sequels, but the story does cater more toward the influece on the original. The part of the story where the sequels have the strongest sway is the part that deals popular culture, which was mainly that talk show scene with all the kids dressed up as Fred Heads, and Freddy having his Freddy's Dead personality.

[Deathscythe]

I'd say I enjoy the original series in this order:
Nightmare 1
Freddy's Revenge
Dream Master
Dream Warriors
Freddy's Dead
Dream Child
New Nightmare


Heres my ranking.

1.) Dream Warriors
2.) A Nightmare on Elm Street
3.) Dream Master
4.) New Nightmare
5.) The Dream Child
6.) Freddy vs. Jason
7.) Freddy's Revenge
8.) Freddy's Dead

[Wheatjedi]

Oooh! I love doing favorites lists.....

A Nightmare on Elm Street
New Nightmare
Dream Warriors
Freddy's Revenge
The Dream Master
The Dream Child
Freddy vs. Jason
Freddy's Dead

[CanadianFonzie]

okay everyone else is ranking, I might as well too

Nightmare on Elm Street
Dream Warriors
New Nightmare
Dream Master
Freddy's Dead
Dream Child/Freddys Revenge (can't decide which one I like the least)

[Nancy Thompson]

My favorite scenes are Tina's death and the scene where Nancy is looking down at Rod sleeping with Freddy looking up at her laughing.

That is also my fav is Tina's death. That was total kick ass and i though Nancy watching Rob sleeping and seeing Freddy looking up & laughing at her was so creepy when i first saw the movie

[The Tall Man]

Might as well get this list out of the way... No keep in mind I prefer Funny Freddy to Scary Freddy because he's by far more entertaining... it's just his movies aren't quite as good.

Freddy vs. Jason
Freddy's Dead
Dream Warriors
A Nightmare on Elm Street
The Dream Master
The Dream Child
Freddy's Revenge
New Nightmare

T.M.

[Brett H.]

Nightmare on Elm Street
Freddy vs. Jason
New Nightmare
Freddy's Dead
Freddy's Revenge
The Dream Warriors
The Dream Master
The Dream Child

With that being said... other than the first 2, the other ones are all very close in my mind. Part 5 is the only one I really don't care for too much.

[A. Remin' D.]

Ferdy is soo kool. :)

Here's my ranking of the series, keep in mind, I love every one.

A Nightmare On Elm Street
Freddy's Revenge
Dream Master
Dream Warriors
Dream Child
Freddy's Dead
Freddy Vs. Jason
New Nightmare

Pretty much chronological. Weird. :eek:

[Shoesalesman]

There used to be a time when I didn't like this movie (and I can't remember why now) but it has been just in the last five or so years that I came back to it.

Tina's death was the best. Cool to see a very young Johnny Depp as well.

[Rich]

For me, it's like this:

Best
A Nightmare on Elm Street
Wes Craven's New Nightmare
Dream Warriors

Good
Freddy's Revenge
Freddy vs. Jason

Crap
Dream Child
Dream Master
Freddy's Dead

[Wheatjedi]

I vividly remember seeing a TV ad for the first Nightmare back in 1984. I was just a kid, and I was in the living room with my parents. The ad came on, and the image of Freddy pushing through the wall over Nancy's bed as she slept really stuck with me. That night, I kept looking up at the wall behind my headboard half expecting to see something starting to push through it. That was nearly 23 years ago, and the memory is still fresh in my mind. I love that.

[CampNewBlood]

The first Nightmare on Elm Street is a classic. Just like the first Friday the 13th is a classic.

Both are scary and both have good storylines.

[DavidDunn]

For me, it's like this:

Best
A Nightmare on Elm Street
Wes Craven's New Nightmare
Dream Warriors

Good
Freddy's Revenge
Freddy vs. Jason

Crap
Dream Child
Dream Master
Freddy's Dead

I kind of like that system, Rich. For me, it's this way:

Best
Freddy's Revenge
Wes Craven's New Nightmare
Dream Warriors
Dream Master

Good
A Nightmare on Elm Street
The Dream Child

Crap
Freddy vs. Jason
Freddy's Dead (the lowest of the low)

[CampNewBlood]

The scene where Nancy is in the bathtub and her mom says through the door that she will fix her some "...warm milk.".....and Nancy says, "Warm milk. Gross."

I always find that funny. I dunno why.

[The Dream Master]

I quote that everytime somone mentions warm milk.

I mean, seriously, who the fuck drinks their milk warm?

[CampNewBlood]

LOL....I think it's kinda funny because of the way Nancy says it to herself...and the way her mother is always just basically in her own world.....like she's in the Twilight Zone....when Nancy says that, her mother just kinda turns around and walks away....lol.

I love cold milk, but warm milk? I have to get up enough as it is when I'm trying to sleep to pee...I sure would if I drink warm milk.

[Joshg]

Oh, we're doing lists now are we? Alright:

Fave to Least:
Part 1
Freddys Revenge
Dream Warriors
Dream Master
New Nightmare
Freddy Vs Jason
Dream Child/Freddys Dead

Ooo, bad English on my part. >.>

[Dead Cell]

I like this.

THE BEST!
A Nightmare on Elm Street
Dream Warriors
Wes Craven's New Nightmare

STILL GOOD!
The Dream Master

BORDERLINE
Freddy's Revenge
The Dream Child

WTF WERE THEY THINKING?
Freddy's Dead: The Final Nightmare

I WANT TO LIKE IT, BUT...
Freddy vs. Jason

[Ron]

the first, by itself, is one of the best horror films of all time. it had a lot of substance and you were actually made to like the characters.

[Deathscythe]

I finally got to watch New Nightmare, fantastic sequel, but I still prefer A Nightmare on Elm Street and Dream Warriors.

[Mr. Undertaker]

i realy like NOES series,....Freddy is a Bad ass MTF! ......The soundtracks are great too....... oh and i love the Pinball game

[Ron]

I like the "soul pizza".

[CampNewBlood]

I like the "soul pizza".

LOLOL.....yea that was funny.

[Deathscythe]

Ah yes, Rick the meatball.

[Nancy Thompson]

Here my rank

1: A nightmare On Elm Street
2: A nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors
3: New Nightmare
4: A nightmare On elm Street 4: Dream Masters
5: Freddy vs Jason
6: Nightmare on Elm Street 5: Dream Child
7: Nightmare on Elm Street 2: Freddy's Revenge
8: Freddy's Dead

[Ron]

new nightmare was very creative and very intelligent.

[Darth Sinister]

Here's a question for those who have the DVD or have read interviews with Robert Englund? Why did his voice change like it did in the first film? I mean, the first half of the film it's just Englund's normal voice made to sound creepy. Then it's the monsterous version through the second film and parts of the third film, before settling on the traditional voice.

[Kane Lives]

My series rankings:


1 A Nightmare On Elm Street
2 Dream Warriors
3 New Nightmare
4 Freddy's Revenge
5 The Dream Master
6 The Dream Child
7 Freddy vs. Jason
8 Freddy's Dead

[BlakeTyner]

Here's a question for those who have the DVD or have read interviews with Robert Englund? Why did his voice change like it did in the first film? I mean, the first half of the film it's just Englund's normal voice made to sound creepy. Then it's the monsterous version through the second film and parts of the third film, before settling on the traditional voice.

Well, part of it could be that there was a change in directors. Although Englund remained in the role, each set of filmmakers will have their own take on what Freddy should say, do, etc.

Somebody, either on this board or the temporary board, also mentioned that at least one of the films only had a couple of weeks in post-production. I forget exact dates, but it seems like a film wrapped in like early February for a release in late March. That would explain why his voice wasn't Freddy-ized throughout the film...there simply wasn't time.

Plus, you've got to figure that if Freddy can manipulate the environment as he sees fit, perhaps his voice is part of that overall scheme. In Nightmare 1, he uses Tina's voice and face (via a really bad mask) when he's chasing Nancy into her house - he appears at the front door's window. In Nightmare 2, he taunts what's-her-face with Jesse's voice (though it could be argued that since he possessed Jesse, using his voice would be easy.)

Whether it's just bad filmmaking or not, I think there's enough to at least justify an explanation, even if it's not a very good one.

~Blake

[The Tall Man]

Somebody, either on this board or the temporary board, also mentioned that at least one of the films only had a couple of weeks in post-production. I forget exact dates, but it seems like a film wrapped in like early February for a release in late March. That would explain why his voice wasn't Freddy-ized throughout the film...there simply wasn't time.
That would be me. But the dates were early January and late February. See the Nightmare 3 thread: http://www.f13-community.co.uk/board/showthread.php?t=34

In Nightmare 2, he taunts what's-her-face with Jesse's voice (though it could be argued that since he possessed Jesse, using his voice would be easy.)
Freddy isn't taunting Lisa. That's really Jesse speaking through Freddy to Lisa, begging her at first to kill him and lastly that he loves her.

T.M.

[Darth Sinister]

Okay, so it was that way for the third film. I assume it must've been for the first one was well.

[Madman Marz]

I like the "soul pizza".

Haha, yeah, that was great. I've always like The Dream Master.

[Joshg]

I loved The Dream Master, dispite the acting. :D
It was the last one I truly enjoyed. Even though Part 7 was well worked out.

[Jack Bauer]

I think they (New Line) should go back to the 80's way have good old Freddy just rip on today's society like he did in the 80's. Also maybe having him commandeer MTV and actually showing some music videos would be cool as well.

[Utellme]

What's your opinions on the SE DVD NOES 1 Infini film dvd ?

Also i don't know if this piece exist anywhere i can't find it on ebay.For NOES 4 Dream Master i got a cardboard stand up for the movie it was about 5 ft high it had Freddy in front of house.I had it but it got destroyed does anybody know anything about this stand up ?

[Rich]

I like the Infinifilm edition. It has great picture and sound quality, plus the documentaries are all awesome. You get a lot of great deleted scenes in the docs too.

[Deathscythe]

I hear theres another ending in the Infiniflim edition, can anyone show it to me / tell me what happens?

[The Tall Man]

Deathscythe, you can watch the alternate endings on the second disc.

The extras on the infinifilm edition are awesome... but the movie's a joke. Anyone familiar with "A Nightmare on Elm Street" will instantly recognize that some sound effects have been removed throughout the movie. There's no excuse for them doing that... But then again, these are the same people who released the 88 minute international version of "Freddy's Dead" on video instead of the original domestic 105 minute version.

If you're going for the extras, take the infinifilm version, but if you want the movie proper, get the original DVD release.

T.M.

[Deathscythe]

Yeah but I don't have the dvd. I was wondering if anyone could tell me what happens in the other endings.

[Utellme]

Theres 3 different endings here they are

1 Happy ending car drives away no problems Nancy's mom survives

2 Scary ending car drives away no problems and Nancy's mom gets pulled through the window

3 Freddy's ending convertible top designed like Freddy's sweater slams shut and locks,doors lock windows lock,Nancy's mom pulled through window then it shows Freddy driving car.This is the ending the movie used minus the Freddy driving the car shot.

Also for the ending Bob Shaye wanted th have Freddy driving the school bus at the end but they saved that for part 2.

Tall Man what's the difference with the sound i never took notice ? And you mean to tell me theres 17 minutes of Freddy's Dead that were not getting ?

[The Tall Man]

Tall Man what's the difference with the sound i never took notice ?
There's way too many to list but there are music cues, sound effects, and dialogue missing. I'd have to sit down and watch the whole thing through again to list them all off. If S-10 were here, he could tell you no problem.

And you mean to tell me theres 17 minutes of Freddy's Dead that were not getting ?
Yes. That's exactly right... and even with footage we get, it's altered. In the theatrical version, the Dream Demons speak to one another briefly before flying off. In the 88 minute version, they took out the dialogue and replaced it with laughter (you can still see their mouths moving though).

T.M.

[Utellme]

Tall Man I have the NOES box set does that NOES 1 have all the music in place ?

Is there a dvd version of Freddy's Dead that can be bought with all the extra footage if so where can i get it ? Is it a professional release ? i don't want burnt stuff.

[The Dream Master]

The box set disc of the original has all the sound intact, and it includes the original mono track.

As for Freddy's Dead, the version that's out there now is the only official release.

[Utellme]

Thank you Is there a bid difference between the original dvd and the infini film one.Is it quite noticeable ? Do you think it makes the movie less effective ?

[The Dream Master]

I don't know personally; as soon as I heard that the soundtrack was missing some stuff, I couldn't justify buying it.

[Utellme]

While i understand your POV and respect it. I think the sound thing is a little to deep for me to worry about it heck i can't even tell where stuff would be missing.

[The Dream Master]

Yeah, I doubt it would affect a majority of people who watch it. I'm sure I'd notice it, though. If I can find the Infinifilm version at a dirt cheap price, I'll buy it for the extra features alone.

[Utellme]

Tall Man mentioned about S-10 would know all the differences is there somewhere online that list the differences ?

Also years back i had a cardboard standup for NOES 4 from a movie rental place it got destroyed.It had Freddy in front of the house it was about 5ft tall have you ever seen this ? Do you know where i can find it tried ebay no go.Is there anything anywhere that would list how much it's worth ?

[The Tall Man]

Tall Man mentioned about S-10 would know all the differences is there somewhere online that list the differences ?
Not that I'm aware of. S-10 just knows everything Nightmare-related so that's why I say he could tell you better.

T.M.

[Utellme]

I found a region 2 dvd of freddys dead it says 96 minutes, the U.S version is 88 minutes right ?

What region or version of this movie might have the full 105 minutes if any ?

[Rich]

As someone who has been watching A Nightmare on Elm Street for the part 15 years, I am here to tell you, I have noticed no differences in the sound, none whatsoever. Honestly, I have no clue what the heck you guys are talking about.

As far as Freddy's Dead, I can't stand the 88 minbutes I have and you guys want 15 minutes more? :p

[The Tall Man]

OUR DVD claims to be 96 minutes (on the back) but it's only 88 minutes so you pick that up and it'll be the same release as well have. Pass on it. NOBODY else has released the 105 minute cut. The 88 minute version is New Line's "international" print... meaning the version they sent to other countries. You're just gonna have to give up on this one. Even the workprint version is missing scenes (about 5 minutes worth) that were in the theatrical cut.

The Television Version of FD runs 93 minutes, FYI.

Rich, okay, if they ever release the theatrical cut of FD, don't buy it. :p

As for missing audio, I can tell you for certain when Freddy's in the cellar, the sound of Krueger's blades scraping against the furnace as he whispers "Now where the hell are you, huh?" has been removed when it was present in previous editions.

T.M.

[Deathscythe]

Freddy's Dead is stupid fun, I laughed so hard when he pulled out the Nintendo power glove.

[The Tall Man]

We all did. :)

(well those of us that know how to have a good time ;) )

T.M.

[The Dream Master]

Spencer's death remains one of the lowest points in the NOES franchise for me, but I can't help but chuckle at parts of it. It definately doesn't ruin FD as a whole, as I actually really like it. I like all the Nightmares, though.

[Deathscythe]

I like them all with the exception of Part 2 and Part 6. I can still watch them on a good day through.

[Rich]

As for missing audio, I can tell you for certain when Freddy's in the cellar, the sound of Krueger's blades scraping against the furnace as he whispers "Now where the hell are you, huh?" has been removed when it was present in previous editions.

That is still in the movie.

[The Tall Man]

Rich, I just checked it out before I posted that last night. No, it's not!

T.M.

[Utellme]

As someone who has been watching A Nightmare on Elm Street for the part 15 years, I am here to tell you, I have noticed no differences in the sound, none whatsoever. Honestly, I have no clue what the heck you guys are talking about.

As far as Freddy's Dead, I can't stand the 88 minbutes I have and you guys want 15 minutes more? :p
Maybe the 15 minutes would help the film.

[Madman Marz]

That would be 15 EXTRA minutes of torture, lol. I could never get into Freddy's Dead. I can actually tolerate The Dream Child, but FD is just a steamy turd, IMO.

[Brett H.]

Freddy's Dead is fun. My two low points of the series are the running around repetitive diner bullshit in NOES 4 and need for speed in 5. I can handle near everything else.

[Ron]

I think the lowest point in the series was DreamChild. It was such a waste of film.

[Darth Sinister]

I did laugh out loud when I saw "Freddy's Dead" and the power glove scene. It only made sense to do it during what was to be the last film in the series. I also laughed at the Wicked Witch gag. I knew the moment I heard the music come up as John was going to the window, that was going to be a funny gag.

Anyway, I have yet to see the recent DVD release. Should I get it or try to get the one from 1999?

[The Dream Master]

DS, do you mean the recent Ininifilm release of the first film? Because there hasn't been a new release of any of the other films.

Anyway, the new release of the original has some stuff missing from the soundtrack, but it does have a quite a few new extras. I don't personally have it because of the soundtrack gaffe, but I am interested in the new features.

[Rich]

I guess I can't say Freddy's Dead was not dumb fun for entertainment purposes. Hell it is a good movie to drink beer and laugh at when I am down and need a "pick me upper," but in terms of a horror film, I can't lie to myself about how bad it is, but like I said, there are times in my life when it serves it's purpose.

[Ron]

By that film the whole series had went to shit because they spread the stories so thin.

[Rich]

I agree Pete. Essentially in my brain the only relavent films I need are 1, 3, and 7. The rest are not needed for story telling purposes, but are fun every now and then.

[Brett H.]

I just read on IMDB that Alice Cooper had his cameo in FD as Freddy's Dad. Makes sense. It also said he was Freddy's "ABUSIVE PIMP" father!. Did I just fucking miss something BIG here?

[Ron]

I personally like to take all info on IMDB with a grain of salt. 9 out of 10 times you'll find false "facts" and the message board are filled with hateful morons.

[Rich]

Alice Cooper did not play Freddy's dad. He played some guy who took Freddy in from off the streets, and the film makes no indication of any "pimping" going on. Be selective about what you believe on IMDB. Any idiot can just go on their and post stuff. It's like wikipedia.

[The Tall Man]

What Rich said. Freddy's father is actually singled out as Robert Englund in the opening of Nightmare 5.

T.M.

[The Dream Master]

The abusive pimp thing comes from another source in the Nightmare universe though, I think. Whether or not it's the same character we see in FD is debatable, but I'd say it's likely.

[Deathscythe]

I wouldn't mind seeing Alice Cooper as a pimp.

[CanadianFonzie]

I just remembered my favourite part of the first NOES film, when Glen is calling his mom pretending he's at his friends house with that recorded tape of the airport, and than the tape turns into the sounds of explosions and gun ire, I love that part because I would be going crazy if I was on the other side of that phone line

[Scarecrow]

What Rich said. Freddy's father is actually singled out as Robert Englund in the opening of Nightmare 5.

T.M.

I was never sure if that was meant to be LITERAL though. I always felt that whole scene was somewhat styilized, a representation of what happened rather than the actual events.

Though I don't dispute the Alice Cooper not being his dad thing that was fairly obvious.


- Scarecrow

[The Tall Man]

Scare, Englund's said he was supposed to be the one who deflowered Amanda. Only makes sense to cast Englund as Freddy's father.

T.M.

[Rich]

About the discussion we had about the InfiniFilm edition, I just watched it an hour ago and specifically looked for the scene you mentioned where the audio was cut. You were sort of right.

What happens is in the basement Freddy is looking for Nancy and says, "Where the hell are you?!" while scratching his knives. He still says the line, but the knife scratching is lowered in volume for some reason. They used to sound like knies on a chalk board, but on this version they kind of sound like chalk on a chalk board. You can still hear it, but it is low, you need to turn your volume up.

I can't imagine this was done on purpose, I think it was some kind of screw up.

[Utellme]

I find it hard to beat the infinifilm edition.Its loaded with extras i can deal with the little sound changes.

[The Dream Master]

Even though I despise fuck ups like the sound issue, I'd buy the Infinifilm version for the special features if I could find it dirt cheap.

All I can say is that whenever the original gets released in HD, it better be fucking perfect.

[The Tall Man]

Rich, I believe there's also a sting missing when Rod jumps out of the bushes and grabs Nancy.

And if I need to crank my volume to hear Freddy's knives, that's just wrong. They plain fucked up the audio track.

T.M.

[Rich]

The infinifilm feature itself is really cool. I just love the alternate version of the original scene of Freddy making the glove. I also like the cut out footage where Freddy is shown chasing Tina and you get a close up of Freddy. Also, a line was dropped from the final product, and this particular deleted line offers awesome story element and a whole other layer of emotion for the characters and especially Nancy fighting Freddy.

In a deleted line, while Nancy and her mother are in their basement while her mother is explaining to her who Freddy was, she explains that Glen, Rod, Tina, and her all have things in common. They all had syblings at one time that Freddy murdered. "Nancy, you were not always an only child," says her mother.

Personally I thought that was a great story element. I don't know why it was dropped.

And if I need to crank my volume to hear Freddy's knives, that's just wrong. They plain fucked up the audio track.

The line is definitely there though, it is just the knire scraping that was lowered down. I think it was an audio mistake. This makes you ask the question, don't they test watch the transfer before they hit that record button? The picture is beautiful, there is no denying that. The extra features are just awesome. I have watched this version of the movie a few times, and to tell you the truth, Tall, despite you being right about that particular audio screw up, I think you are making a much bigger deal out of it then it is. I mean, it isn't anywhere near as bad as when Universal took two out of three death groans out of Dracula. With all due respect, I think you are kind of crying over spilled milk here.

[The Tall Man]

You'd better be glad S-10's not here then. :)

My beef is if they got it right the first time, why couldn't they get it right for the "special edition". Spilled milk or no, it's shoddy worksmanship.

T.M.

[Rich]

I agree it certainly is poor quality control. I mean a company like that should make somebody watch the thing before it is pressed.

[El Rooto]

Nancy sleeps in the nude:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a1/Nightmare01.jpg

[The Tall Man]

Bless you Matthew Peak.

T.M.

[Rich]

I wish New Line would continue to use that poster art as the cover to their dvds instead of shitty new "artwork."

[Madman Marz]

I have that VHS cover. :) It'd be nice if they released the DVD's with the original covers as well.

[The Tall Man]

Madman, the DVDs in the box set retain the original poster art (I say that because FD uses the release poster instead of Peak's poster art).

T.M.

[Madman Marz]

Really? Believe it or not, I actually haven't even opened mine yet, lol. :p I have them all on VHS, and the seperate DVD's. That's good to know they used the originals for the box set.......now i'll actually open it, haha.

[The Dream Master]

What is this Peak poster art for FD that you speak of, Tall Man? I don't think I've ever seen it.

I've seen the poster that has Freddy's hat/glove/sweater with the "born/died" dates, but that's it (besides the release poster).

[The Tall Man]

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/1355/freddysdeadartdi0.th.png (http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=freddysdeadartdi0.png)

T.M.

[Scarecrow]

I ADORE poster art, films really need to get back to that old style.


- Scarecrow

[The Dream Master]

Oh wow, that's really cool, TM. How have I never seen that before? I like it a lot because it fits with the art from all the other films, too.

[Deathscythe]

Who is supposed to be that lady sleeping on the floor in that picture?

[The Dream Master]

Tracie, maybe? Doesn't really look like her at all, though.

[The Tall Man]

I don't know if you already noticed or not, but if you look, to the left of Freddy, you can see a concerned Maggie and Witch-Freddy.

T.M.

[Deathscythe]

I noticed Maggie, but not Bewitched Freddy.

[Deathscythe]

Anybody seen this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOp_GQvTJmQ&NR=1)? Looks like a Japanese trailer for the movie.

[The Tall Man]

I can't watch youtube videos so I have no idea what it is. If it were Japanese of some sort I could tell you.

T.M.

[Madman Marz]

Anybody seen this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOp_GQvTJmQ&NR=1)? Looks like a Japanese trailer for the movie.

I watched it. The narrator's voice was really weird. :lol:

[Scarecrow]

I thought it was cool. :p


- Scarecrow

[Rich]

That trailer from Japan was awesome! I like it better then the American one.

[M.I.A.]

Probably been said already, but out of all the horror franchises, I think this is the the only one that definitely should not have had any sequels. The first one is absolute perfection. Sure, Freddy is worthy of icon status, and sequels is what provides that honor(in most cases), but all the sequels really tarnished the original film. Turning Freddy into a stand up comedian is the most absurd direction any franchise has ever went in. If NOES is only one film instead of a bunch of sequels, it would be regarded as one of the best films of the last 30 years. Its not. Even though it is a scary film(especially for those of us that watched it when it first came out), the semi comedies that came after it do it no justice, and you dont look at the film in the same regard as you would have if the sequels never happened.

Off topic, but I'll add Child's Play to the franchise that should not have had any sequels.

[Deathscythe]

You didn't even think Wes Craven's New Nightmare was a worthy sequel?

[M.I.A.]

You didn't even think Wes Craven's New Nightmare was a worthy sequel?
It was an interesting concept, and it didn't suck. I just dont think the original film needed any of these sequels.

[The Dream Master]

I don't think any sequels degrade the quality of a film at all. That's just a weak attempt at finding another reason to not like a sequel. I mean, I fucking loathe Halloween H20 and Ressurrection, but it doesn't make the original Halloween any less of a classic, and I don't bash those two films because they tarnished the legacy of the original. They suck enough on their own without having to be compared to what came before it.

[Kane Lives]

I don't think any sequels degrade the quality of a film at all.


I agree. I think the original of any franchise always stands on its own merits, despite what follows.

IMO, NOES had a few good follow ups; Dream Warriors and New Nightmare specifically. But, not even the worst of the bunch could spoil the original. IMO anyway.

[BlakeTyner]

I'd agree, too. Actually, I suppose I kind of agree with both sides. No, the original NOES didn't need any sequels (very few movies do, though the Godfather II is brilliant) but, at the same time, it's always fun to watch a character that you like in new films. I'm not a huge fan of the later Freddy flicks (say, 5 on) but it was kinda neat to see him again.

It's almost like there are two universes for me - in one universe, Nightmare 1 is the only Freddy movie. In the other, Nightmare 1 spawned sequels. It just depends on which mood I'm in as to whether I 'believe' in the sequels. Some days I'm like "yeah, Freddy had a daughter that killed him" and others I'm like "yeah, Nancy banished him."

~Blake

[Rich]

You didn't even think Wes Craven's New Nightmare was a worthy sequel?

That was not really a sequel though. It was more of another original Nightmare movie. The only good sequel that is a true sequel, to me, really is Dream Warriors. The others, for me, range from not bad to complete crap.

[Deathscythe]

Well, it was more of a spinoff. But its still in the same series through.

[Rich]

I have always wished Wes would follow up New Nightmare with a sequel. It would have been a hell of a lot better then FVJ, but nowhere near as profitable, so I understand why they didn't, obviously.

I really like not only the mood and tone of New Nightmare and not only the fact that Freddy is evil, but I really like the story. I like the idea. It is genious.

[The Tall Man]

Freddy's not evil... the demon impersonating Freddy is evil. ;)

T.M.

[Scarecrow]

Again, though I agree they are different Universes and the like, but I wouldn't say the Demon ISN'T Freddy or is "impersonating" him.

The demon was sealed into a story by Wes and that story was Nightmare on Elm Street. The demon was taken and molded into Freddy and existed as Freddy. For all intents and purposes the demon IS Freddy, and when it escapes it lieks that form so much he stays as Freddy.


- Scarecrow

[The Tall Man]

Freddy doesn't whine like a bitch and limp around if you stab him in the leg. ;)

T.M.

[The Dream Master]

"Ow mai leg, dat hurts."


Esten said that in the chat a couple of months ago, and that says all you need to know about Gap Freddy.

[Madman Marz]

Bwahahaha!!!! :lmao:

[Deathscythe]

The real Freddy would beat the fake Freddys ass all over Gap.

[Scarecrow]

Maybe we could get GAP-Freddy Vs. Hellworld-Pinhead... that'd be depressing. a battle where Pinhead's the one making the worst one-liners. :(


- Scarecrow

[Deathscythe]

Gap Freddy vs. Roy Burns (Friday part 5 Jason), bank on it.

[Dead Cell]

Just catching up on the posts here and got to thinking about the snake-like dream demons in Freddy's Dead. From a story-telling perspective and looking at FD all on its own, I can understand that they wanted some achilles heel to exploit; something to tell the audience that Freddy really had lost his power and wouldn't be coming back ever again. If the dream demons leave Freddy, he's just a wandering soul with no power.

Looking at it now though, it seems like unneeded baggage. We already knew that Freddy had the power to enter dreams, manipulate them to his liking, and kill people for real in their nightmares. Did we really need the dream demons to tell us how he does it? Having Freddy be given all his power from these dream demons diminshes Freddy as a threat himself. And what does that say about Freddy vs. Jason when he shows up on the scene still able to enter dreams? What- did the dream demons come back for more?

Just like that stupid rule in FvJ that he can only enter the dreams of people that know about him (proven false beyond the shadow of a doubt by previous movies), the dream demons didn't seem to serve any function aside from showing the audience that Freddy had indeed lost all his power...

until the next time.

[The Tall Man]

Hindsight's 20/20, Dead Cell. ;)

T.M.

[Dead Cell]

So true.

The dream demons make Freddy into a pawn; just the current chump to take them up on their offer. He works so much better as a character when he's his own boss.

[Deathscythe]

True, flying semen was a bad idea.

[The Dream Master]

So true.

The dream demons make Freddy into a pawn; just the current chump to take them up on their offer. He works so much better as a character when he's his own boss.

To be fair, Freddy's only doing what he does for himself. He isn't doing it for the Dream Demons; if anything, Freddy's using them as a means to his own ends.

I really didn't mind the inclusion of the Dream Demons into the mythos (even though Doc's knowledge of them and the introduction of them at the beginning of FD is quite...convenient). It wasn't an entirely necessary dimension, but, then again, it doesn't exactly hurt things, either. I mean, he had to get the power somehow, right? Otherwise, every psychopath could just come back and haunt dreams.

Also, the idea that Freddy feeds off of fear has been in the NOES series since the first film. I always thought it was pretty obvious that Nancy and her friends were aware of someone named Freddy in the sense that they know the nursery rhyme (you can hear this in their conversation when going to the school). That was all Freddy needed to invade their dreams (well, that, and the fact that they were all Elm Street kids). The only real abberation in the whole series is Jesse, but you can argue that Freddy is powerless at this point (much like he is when he can't kill at the beginning of FvJ), which is why he implores Jesse to kill for him. The more Jesse begins to learn about Freddy, the more powerful he becomes.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: the NOES continuity is almost airtight--all the films fit together logically and nothing really contradicts each other (except for that whole FD mess as it relates to the timeline, but I'm not getting into that again ;)).

[The Tall Man]

The Dream Demons were there for a reason... which was ultimately discarded.

At the time, New Line wanted to get into something else where they wouldn't have to rely on one actor for a part. People at New Line were saying how "dreams were an interesting backdrop for a horror movie, but we don't see why it has to be Freddy doing it". It sounds like they were trying to use the Dream Demons to spin off the series to another drean killer.

The screenplay for "Freddy's Dead" (the real FD, not the rejected Nightmare 6 script) features a scene following up Maggie's victory (oh and as Freddy explodes, we see Etherial Freddy hanging around for a few seconds before he transforms into the dream demons). In a scene that could have totally been written by Rob Zombie, a poor deranged kid with abusive parents is shoved into a broom closet.

INT. CLOSET - DAY

Dark. Cramped. The kid can barely fit.

MOVE IN on his face.

Deranged. The damaged has been done. He hears a whisper. The whispers of the Dream Demons. Another child has been chosen.

FADE TO BLACK

I'm seriously glad that this scene was not shot because the movie is about Freddy and when Freddy dies (which he really was supposed to be dead in 1991), that should be the end of the movie.

T.M.

[The Dream Master]

Oy...that's rather asanine.

That seriously would have hurt Freddy's character big time. Thank goodness logic intervened and prevented that shit from happening.

[Deathscythe]

I just rewatched The Dream Child yesterday, I've always found The Dream Child to be the true underrated sequel and not Freddy's Revenge.

[Scarecrow]

Dream Child would be great except, oddly, Freddy lets it down. In a film that really needs him to be evil and manipulative, he's at his jokey worst. He doens't say a one-liner, he says about four per kill. In fact, ALL his dialogue is pretty much jokes and his whole actions unbalance the film. It should be a lot darker and its dealing with important subject matter with the kid but its too uneven and falls apart.

- Scarecrow

[Deathscythe]

Yeah clown Freddy was a huge flaw with me, still better than the Freddy in Freddy's Dead through.

[Kane Lives]

Yeah, he had way too many jokes in The Dream Child IMO. This was the first one where it felt like he was doing a standup routine every time he was onscreen.

They also seemed to not use his deeper, more sinister voice as often and went with more of an over exaggerated and clown-like one. All that, and the horrendous makeup change were my main problems with The Dream Child.


I liked the darker direction as far as the set designs and the concept of Freddy going after Alice's Baby I thought was a fitting way to bring him back.

[The Tall Man]

Interestingly, like a couple of months after Nightmare 5 came out and flounded, Fango ran an article called "Freddy Has Feelings Too" and it was about Robert Englund calling out the fans, and being pissed off they didn't show up in droves for Nightmare 5... He is/was convinced it was a damned solid movie.

T.M.

[The Dream Master]

Tally, Englund is right. It is a damned solid movie, even if it does have the worst gag in the entire series (Super Freddy).

[Deathscythe]

I actually liked Super Freddy, he should have morphed into The Joker.

[Kane Lives]

I missed the "Freddy Has Feelings Too" article, but I remember in another Fangoria when he was promoting the second season of Freddy's Nightmares, they described Robert as "downright profane" when they brought up The Dream Child. lol

[The Tall Man]

Tally, Englund is right. It is a damned solid movie, even if it does have the worst gag in the entire series (Super Freddy).
Super Freddy is my favorite part of the whole movie. :shy:

I missed the "Freddy Has Feelings Too" article, but I remember in another Fangoria when he was promoting the second season of Freddy's Nightmares, they described Robert as "downright profane" when they brought up The Dream Child. lol
Kane, I read this article just the other day and yeah, they talked about how he got profane about 5's failure*.

T.M.

*25 mil vs. an 8 mil budget is hardly a failure, but whatever. ;)

[Deathscythe]

Well when the movie before it made almost double that (what was Nightmare 4s budget?), it was kinda a failure.

[Rich]

Yes and no. Friday the 13th cost 1/2 million to make and made $40 mil. Friday Part 2 cost like $2 mil and made like $20 mil. Now looking at it your way, Friday 2 was a failer, but the way I see it is that is it an $18 mil profit. Shit, give me $18 mil!

[Dead Cell]

I really liked Super Freddy too. I just love how he takes that slight pause right before saying "Super Freddy!" Like this:

"Faster than a bastard maniac. More powerful than a loco madman. IT'S- - SUPER FREDDY!"

Love that! Actually when I look at this movie there is a lot to like. Yvonne, Mark, Dan, Alice, Greta- they're all likable characters. Even Alice's dad has reformed and gotten off the bottle. The concept was good and got into a bit more of Freddy's backstory and brought Amanda back for us. All good.

I think- yeah. It had to be Freddy himself corning it up. There were only a couple moments where he seemed like a threat and not a clown.

[The Tall Man]

God, I hate Yvonne. There is absolutely no excuse for her surviving. She was the Busta of 1989.

DeadCell, I love that delivery too! I especially enjoy the little pirouette Englund does as he slashes paper-Mark and jumps back to deliver the "Toldja" line.

T.M.

[Kane Lives]

I never liked Yvonne either. When I first watched it, I was hoping that pool she dived into was going to wind up empty and she would have been splattered across the bottom. lol

Sadly, that's not what happened. :shifty:

[Dead Cell]

Hm? Oh c'mon! Yvonne wasn't that bad. At least Freddy had his fun messing with her. There's no, "Trick or treat, mutha fucka," coming out of her mouth. What's so bad about her?

And yeah- the little hop/pirouette Freddy does is cute. I just like that whole bit. I like the way "Super Freddy" saunters up, shrugging off Marks' bullets and just that smug look on his face. I swear, if they had ever decided to make Freddy huge and buff, that's the guy to play him.

[Deathscythe]

Wasn't too much of a Yvonne fan. I liked Mark, very underrated character.

[The Dream Master]

I was a pretty big fan of Mark, but I was always stunned that YVonne of all people survived. I mean, usually the person that denies the existence of the killer is the first to go.

[Kane Lives]

I suppose they were trying to throw in a twist by keeping Yvonne alive, and then trying to redeem her character.

But to me, she was so unlikeable that it still didn't work. lol

[The Dream Master]

Good call. There aren't too many characters I'd consider unlikeable at all in the Elm Street series, but Yvonne is among the few.

[The New Blood]

Yvonne should have been killed. There's no question about that.

[Deathscythe]

Good call. There aren't too many characters I'd consider unlikeable at all in the Elm Street series, but Yvonne is among the few.

I didn't really care for either the characters in Freddy's Revenge or Freddy's Dead. I still think Dream Warriors had the most likeable characters in the series.

[Dead Cell]

Mark was definitely cool. He had his whole little character arc and wound up being a good hero there for a minute or two. Still don't get why everyone hates Yvonne so much.

[Rich]

Tracy was a bitch I wish got killed. Mark was awesome!

[Deathscythe]

Tracy? The girl from Freddy's Dead?

[Rich]

Yeah, she was a royal bitch! She kicked the crap out of Freddy, but I hate moody bitchy women like her. The best part of that movie for me is when Fred back hands her and says, "Kung fo this, bitch!" I love that only because I hated her so much and wished he would have finnished the job.

[The Tall Man]

Rich, I agree... Tracy was the Busta of 1991. No reason at all why she didn't bite it.

How do you guys think of instead of killing Freddy "for good", New Line merely ended the movie (and kept it as the end for all time) which Freddy influencing Maggie and turning her "to the dark side" instead of her just bitching him up?

T.M.

[Kane Lives]

Tracy was a bitch I wish got killed.


I agree too.

Another one that Freddy should have gotten IMO, no question. :freddy:



How do you guys think of instead of killing Freddy "for good", New Line merely ended the movie (and kept it as the end for all time) which Freddy influencing Maggie and turning her "to the dark side" instead of her just bitching him up?

T.M.


For me, it would have been better than having to watch him be embarrassed by Maggie for 10 minutes (a very low point in the series for me). One of the comics tried to pick up and run with that angle but, sadly it never reached it's conclusion.

I'm not sure how I would have felt about it being the end of the series altogether though.

[Dead Cell]

First Yvonne, now Tracy? What's with you people? You're all crazy!

[The Dream Master]

Yeah, I can't buy the Tracy hate. I liked her character. Yvonne is pretty much the only NOES character I didn't particularly care for.

[Kane Lives]

Not counting FVJ, Yvonne and Tracy were the only two from the NOES series that I really didn't care for.

I didn't like Yvonne at all. Tracy is sort of a mixed bag for me. I liked her character in some respects, but still feel she should have died. lol

[Deathscythe]

Is the DVD Box Set good? Or should I just go for the infiilm of the first film? I always like extra features in my DVD.

[The Tall Man]

You'll need both really. The box set has an unaltered print of the first movie. The infinifilm version is missing several sound cues.

T.M.

[Deathscythe]

So just out of curiosity, who did you hate more The Tall Man, the Busta of '89 ot '91?

I still think NoES3 and NoES4 had the best characters, the worst would probably be either NoES2 or NoES6.

[The Tall Man]

So just out of curiosity, who did you hate more The Tall Man, the Busta of '89 ot '91?
Thinking about it, I think Tracy is the more unlikable of the two. Yvonne--far and few between they were--had her moments. Tracy had a huge-ass chip on her shoulder. It's sort of heartwarming that Doc never gave up on her.

I still think NoES3 and NoES4 had the best characters, the worst would probably be either NoES2 or NoES6.
I don't know... I liked Clu and Lisa and Grady. And I liked Maggie and Doc and Spencer and Loretta. For my tastes, the most unlikable characters could be... New Nightmare. Maybe FvsJ. Probably FvsJ. But my God, that screaming Dylan got on my last nerve really fast.

T.M.

[Madman Marz]

IMO, I think Nightmare 1 and 2 had the best characters.

[Deathscythe]

I don't know... I liked Clu and Lisa and Grady. And I liked Maggie and Doc and Spencer and Loretta. For my tastes, the most unlikable characters could be... New Nightmare. Maybe FvsJ. Probably FvsJ.
I actually forgot about Freddy vs. Jason when I posted that. Who the hell are Clu and Loretta through?

But my God, that screaming Dylan got on my last nerve really fast.
THANK YOU!!! Finally, someone besides me hates that kid.

[The Tall Man]

I actually forgot about Freddy vs. Jason when I posted that. Who the hell are Clu and Loretta through?
Clu is Clu Gulager, the actor who portayed Jesse's father Ken Walsh and all-round badass (mostly because of his no-nonsense performance in "Return of the Living Dead").

Loretta is Freddy's wife, Loretta Krueger.

T.M.

[Deathscythe]

Oh, they were pretty non existent to me. I thought everyone in Freddy's Revenge was pretty nonexistent besides from Lisa, Jesse, Grady and the coach through.

[The Tall Man]

Man, don't let Boo hear ya say that about Clu. ;)

T.M.

[Deathscythe]

After Boo kills me, be sure to have a day dream when I come out of my coffin and sa 'HELLLLLLO BABEH!' That line always cracked me up.

[Deathscythe]

Sorry to double post but I hear theres a deleted scene of NoES1 where Glens body rises from the bed. Anyone know where I can find this?

[The Tall Man]

You can find it on Elite's 2-tape release from 1994 or their corresponding laserdisc. You won't find it on anything of New Line's; Elite offered up all their material (and it's a shitload too) for New Line's DVD and New Line refused it.

T.M.

[The Dream Master]

The 2-tape Elite release was like the Holy Grail for me back in the day. I don't quite understand why NLC is so unwilling to include all of the extras because they're usually on top of things in that department.

[Madman Marz]

I actually recently picked up the 2 Tape Special Edition at a store in LA. :) But, I don't have a VHS player out here, so I can't watch it until I go back home. :(

[The Tall Man]

I don't quite understand why NLC is so unwilling to include all of the extras because they're usually on top of things in that department.
I don't either because it was boneheaded of them.

I wonder if it has to do with an equally moronic policy of New Line refusing to put anything on DVD they don't have a negative for. This is why no uncut Dan and Greta deaths for Nightmare 5 (the unrated Nightmare 5 print was mastered for video in 1990 and never for film).

VHS to DVD is better than nothing at all.

T.M.

[Rich]

How can Elite release a New Line movie on any format? How do they have the rights? I could never understand this.

[The Tall Man]

Elite secured the rights for a VHS and Laserdisc release from them. If a company has the money to purchase the rights, ANY company can do a release of a studio's movie.

Don Coscarelli recently did that for "Phantasm III". He's currently trying to get the money to do that for "Phantasm II" as well (its rights were much more than III's) because he knows damn well Universal's not going to do anything with it-- and if they do it'll be barebones.

T.M.

[Deathscythe]

I just rewatched the original today, I still find it hard to believe that Nancys parents were a couple. I guess thats just me through.

[Rich]

It seemed that either they were seperated or the father worked as a cop so much they he was not around the household often. The strange thing is when he saw the mother get sucked into the bed while she was burned in that scene he did not show any emotion. Maybe he was just in shock of what he was seeing.

[The Tall Man]

I saw Nightmare 1 on HBO the other night and I was taking note of Saxon's reactions... he does grimace a bit during that sequence and then shakes his head like "wtf?!". So...

T.M.

[BlakeTyner]

Yeah, although it's not outright stated, I always took her parents has having been divorced for a while. Marge's drinking and Lt. Thompson's work-a-holic nature might have contributed to it, or they might have been the effects of it. When he asks "What the hell was she doing there?" it just screams 'divorced parents' to me. Likewise, when Marge says "I'm going to do even better; I'm going to get her some help."

Plus, it's obvious that he didn't live in the house anymore, as he would have had a key to the front door instead of having to break it down. I thought the dynamic between Nancy and her parents (and the parents together) was very well written and performed.

~Blake

[Deathscythe]

I saw Nightmare 1 on HBO the other night and I was taking note of Saxon's reactions... he does grimace a bit during that sequence and then shakes his head like "wtf?!". So...

T.M.

Yeah Nightmare 1 comes on HBO / MAX often, I've seen The Dream Child and Freddy's Dead on MAX as well.

[The Dream Master]

I'm pretty sure Glen's mom says something to the effect of "[Marge] and Nancy being alone in the house now," which is why Marge puts the bars on the window. If the Thompsons weren't already divorced, I think it's safe to say they're at least separated or going through the divorce.

[Scarecrow]

Yeah, definitly divorced, and it's played out wonderfully. In fact, I saw an academic reading that based the whole film around Nancy's own reaction and emotional response to the trouble with her parents marriage.

- Scarecrow

[The Dream Master]

I think Englund himself has mentioned that the film can be read as the manifestations of the anxiety of the family unit breaking down and such. The whole film is Nancy's preminition that's brought upon by the stress of her folks splitting up, or something like that.

[Rich]

I'm pretty sure Glen's mom says something to the effect of "[Marge] and Nancy being alone in the house now," which is why Marge puts the bars on the window. If the Thompsons weren't already divorced, I think it's safe to say they're at least separated or going through the divorce.

The line was, "Marge is just being catious with Nancy being all alone and acting so nervous lately."

I think Englund himself has mentioned that the film can be read as the manifestations of the anxiety of the family unit breaking down and such. The whole film is Nancy's preminition that's brought upon by the stress of her folks splitting up, or something like that.

That is actually a very good annalyzation. I never thought of it that way.

The interesting thing about Freddy's character is that I seem him as a Shakespearian character. In the works of Shakespeare, any character who had a moral flaw would have some kind of physical imperfaction. If a beautiful girl had a pimple on her head, that meant there was something morally wrong with her. If a little pimple can detect moral imperfaction, then someone who looks like Freddy is obviously extremely morally imperfect.

I am not sure if Wes was thinking of that at the time he wrote the movie, but being that he is an English professor, I would not suprise me.

[The Tall Man]

I thought it was common knolwedge that Don and Marge were divorced?

T.M.

[Rich]

I did not think they were divorced. They never said that in the movie. It seemed like they were seperated. I don't know. It just did not seem like they were divorced to me.

[BlakeTyner]

Either way, it was pretty obvious that they weren't on the best of terms with each other.

~Blake

[French Friday]

I thought it was common knolwedge that Don and Marge were divorced?

T.M.

I thought that too.

[Dead Cell]

It's one of the things I appreciate about the 1st movie; they didn't spell it all out for the audience, but there's enough clues for anyone to pick up on. I like the ambiguity about some of the things going on there.

[Deathscythe]

Ok, I was watching the credits of The Dream Child (don't ask why), and it says George P. Wilbur was one of the stuntman in that movie. Wilbur played Michael Myers in H4 and H6.

[Deathscythe]

So I was rewatching this film today and was it me or when Nancy entered the boiler room near the end of the movie we could hear Glen screaming?

[Kane Lives]

So I was rewatching this film today and was it me or when Nancy entered the boiler room near the end of the movie we could hear Glen screaming?


Sounded like him screaming to me too.

I liked that actually; hearing previous lines in the film from Tina and Freddy, and also Glen's screams seemingly coming out of nowhere like Freddy was daring Nancy to come find him.

[Deathscythe]

So Elm Street 1, 2, and 7 are the only ones with music videos? All the rest do...

Nightmare 3 - Dream Warriors by Dokken
Nightamre 4 - Love Kills by Vinnie Vincent Invasion
Nightmare 5 - Anyway I Gotta Swing It by Whodini
Nightmare 6 - I'm Awake Now by The Goo Goo Dolls
Nightmare 8 - How can I live? by Ill Niño

[The Tall Man]

Nightmare 4's main(est) music video is actually "Are You Ready for Freddy" by the Fat Boys.

T.M.

[El Rooto]

That was the greatest music video in the world.

[Rich]

Sounded like him screaming to me too.

I liked that actually; hearing previous lines in the film from Tina and Freddy, and also Glen's screams seemingly coming out of nowhere like Freddy was daring Nancy to come find him.

To me that was basically the dark humor of Freddy. He was basically mocking her making her listen to him killing her boyfriend and such.

One of my favorite scenes is in the very beginning when Tina is having a nightmare and being chased by (up to that point) an unseen stalker, and then you see the lamb, and then he pops up from behind her. That scared the hell out of me when I first saw it.

[Fowlees]

I treated myself to the NOES special edition for only £5. Its a double disc offering , with some great special features.

Worth picking up.

[The Dream Master]

Yeah, I'm waiting for the NOES SE to get under $10 because the fucked up audio soundtrack miffs me. I want to buy it for the extras more than anything.

Oh, and I just know they'll announce a Blu-ray version as soon as I buy it, too.

[Esten]

They also screwed the color correction up in spots. Not supposed to be blue. This ain't Halloween dere.

[Deathscythe]

I don't even own the boxset. How come New Line didn't put Vinnie Vincent or Goo Goo Doll's music vidoe in it?

[The Dream Master]

Heh, the latest Halloween transfer is missing a lot of the blue tint.

[Deathscythe]

Perhaps Anchor Bay will release a 30th Anniversary Edition Blu-ray with the blue.:D

[The Dream Master]

Actually, Halloween is already available on Blu-ray, and it's sort of corrected. There's still some blue missing in some parts. It's better than the Divimax disc from a few years ago.

[Deathscythe]

I know, I was joking that Anchor released the film on DVD so many times, they'll do it with Blu-ray.

[Esten]

Yeah, Freddy stole Halloween's blue tint. The fucker.


I don't even own the boxset. How come New Line didn't put Vinnie Vincent or Goo Goo Doll's music vidoe in it?Well, Vinnie's a dick I hear, so he probably didn't give him the go-ahead to use it.

No telling on Goo. I'd presume a similar thing.

[The Dream Master]

Ah, I got ya. But yeah, it'll probably happen.

[Deathscythe]

Yeah, Freddy stole Halloween's blue tint. The fucker.

Freddy is da blue power ranger.

So, the Box Set transfer is better than the Infinifilm transfer?

[Utellme]

I don't even own the boxset. How come New Line didn't put Vinnie Vincent or Goo Goo Doll's music vidoe in it?
Yeah this was a bummer.

[Esten]

Yes, but the 5.1 mix is also fucked up, but in a different way. Sometimes to low, other times too loud. Mono is fine.

[The Dream Master]

Yeah, I always listen to the mono tracks when I watch the box set discs.

[Deathscythe]

Yeah this was a bummer.

Well in the meanwhile, we can thank youtube.

Vinnie Vincent (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZC2LiVhehg)
Goo Goo Dolls (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rg1HoOi19d8)

Interestingly, all the Nightmare sequels except for 2 & 7 had a music video for it.

[Madman Marz]

Heh, the latest Halloween transfer is missing a lot of the blue tint.

Yeah, I wasn't a fan of that transfer. As you already know, the same thing happened with the IFC airing of Madman. :(

[Rich]

So, the Box Set transfer is better than the Infinifilm transfer?

I wouldn't say that. The picture quality is definitely better. The same goes for the Halloween 25th Anniversery Edition. I understand why people are upset about the blue tint missing in that Halloween transfer, but the quality of the picture itself it very much improved. The same goes for the Infinifilm Nightmare on Elm. Also, watching the movie with the Infinifilm Feature is just awesome! One day I only hope that Friday the 13th gets the same respect on dvd that Halloween, Nightymare on Elm, Evil Dead, Dawn of the Dead, and Texas Chain Saw Massacre get.

[Ron]

I never even bothered seeing the infinifilm version.

[The Dream Master]

The Infinifilm transfer might look better, but if the color timing and soundtrack are messed up, I can't be bothered with it. Besides, the box set transfer still looks pretty good to be so old.

[Madman Marz]

Is the Infinifilm version worth it if I already own 2 versions of the original? I was thinking about picking it up, but I decided to hold off.

[Esten]

It's worth it for the extras, yes.

[Rich]

IT is definitely worth it for the extras and the picture quality. I think it is the best version of the movie out there.

[Madman Marz]

Hmm, perhaps i'll pick it up then. A 3rd copy wouldn't hurt I guess, haha.

[Deathscythe]

Why do you own two copies of the original anyway? Did you buy the seperate releases and the boxset as well?

P.S Seperate Releases Cover >>>> Boxset Cover.

[The Dream Master]

DC, I'm going to have to disagree with that. The Box Set covers for each film are way better than the photoshop monstrosities used for the separate releases. Give me the original theatrical posters anytime.

[Deathscythe]

The black background annoys me, I just wish they used the theatrical posters to cover the whole damn thing. Reminds me of the new James Bond sets.

[The Dream Master]

I think it looks classy myself, but that's just me.

[Deathscythe]

Thinking about it, is there any reason New Line made the seperate releases look different from the box set DVDs?

[The Dream Master]

Probably the same reason Paramount decided to suddenly fuck with the Friday cover art: because they could. :confused:

[Deathscythe]

At least the Halloween DVDs stayed close to the poster, the only different one I can think of is H2.

[The Dream Master]

Yeah, and the Universal release of Halloween 2 has particularly atrocious cover art. I actually loved the Halloween 2 theatrical poster, as simplistic as it was.

[Deathscythe]

Same here, the DVD looks like some Phantom of the Opera thing.

[Esten]

They changed the art to make them look more modern.

[The Dream Master]

Yeah, kids these days need all those floating heads and shit (not to knock DC or anything).

[Deathscythe]

Yeah, kids these days need all those floating heads and shit (not to knock DC or anything).

Haha, no offense taken.

That reminds, I posted in the random horror thoughts thread that the old school Nightmares seem to have an 80s feel to it that just added to this film. Nightmare 4 seems to be the most guilty of this.

[The Dream Master]

I'd have to say that Nightmare 4 is by far the most "80s feel," whatever that means. It might be the soundtrack.

[Deathscythe]

I'd have to say that Nightmare 4 is by far the most "80s feel," whatever that means. It might be the soundtrack.

Yeah Nightmare 4 had a great soundtrack

Vinnie Vincent Invasion - Love Kills
The Divinyls - Back to the Wall
Go West - Don't be Afraid of Your Dreams

And you can't forget about the "Are You Ready for Freddy?" song by The Fat Boys.

[The Dream Master]

Can't forget Dramarama's "Anything, Anything" or Tuesday's "Running from this Nightmare."

[Deathscythe]

Yeah, all the Nightmare films had great music videos in my opinion. Dokken, Fat Boys, Vinnie Vincent, Whodini, Goo Goo Dolls, and Ill Nino.

[The Tall Man]

Isn't Tuesday's song merely titled "Nightmare"?

T.M.

[The Dream Master]

Indeed it is. I always assumed it was "Running From This Nightmare," but it's not.

[The Tall Man]

Whew! For a minute there I thought I was gonna have to fix up my mp3 title.

T.M.

[Utellme]

Last week i watched F13th 1,2,3,6,7 and NOES ultimate box set.This week im gonna watch NOES 1,2,3,4.F vs J Is there any SE or uncut footage from Final Nightmare aka part 7 ?

Next week will be Halloweens Blu Ray,4, 6 PCUT, 2007 . Then onto Texas Chainsaw Massacre all of them in order.

[Jigsaw]

Last week i watched F13th 1,2,3,6,7 and NOES ultimate box set.This week im gonna watch NOES 1,2,3,4.F vs J Is there any SE or uncut footage from Final Nightmare aka part 7 ?


Sadly not as of now.

[The Tall Man]

Okay... while ryfling the movies for still shots for a collage, I came to a conclusion: Freddy's kid has a great ass.

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/9437/lisaz029uw4.th.jpg (http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lisaz029uw4.jpg)
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/995/lisaz056nb7.th.jpg (http://img530.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lisaz056nb7.jpg)

If I'm lyin', call the cops.

T.M.

[Scarecrow]

Still shots for a collage? Come on, admit it... you were just taking tha ass shots! :D


- Scarecrow

[Ron]

that is one hell of an ass though...