A Nightmare on Elm Street: Series Continuity/Timelime

[Fan of Freddy]

Same as the F13 continuity/timeline thread. Discuss the course of events throughout the films and post ideas about the timeline.

[A. Remin' D.]

The NOES series and Freddy's Nightmares were set in Springwood, Ohio. So, I think it would have been cool to have some snow in at least one of these movies or episodes. Freddy slashing through snow, blood splattering on the white snow... that would have been so cool.

It doesn't seem logical that there was never snow shown in the movies or tv series. Did Freddy hibernate in the winter, or what?

The winter idea would have been cool, just as with Jason, or Michael for that matter. Occasionally, it does snow as early as Halloween in the midwest.

[The Dream Master]

Ah, I had a ton of debates on this topic with TM and FF on the old board. Good times. The continuity is pretty tight except for some issues with FN and then FD/FvJ.

I still don't think FD is set in 1999. :X

[Fridayweb]

If Freddy's Dead is set ten years from NOW, then it's always in the future innit? :)

[The Dream Master]

Haha, don't even get me started about that. ;)

[Wheatjedi]

I still don't think FD is set in 1999. :X

Why not? I'm curious....
ADDED:
If Freddy's Dead is set ten years from NOW, then it's always in the future innit? :)

Yeah.... that part was sloppy on the filmmaker's part for sure.

[The Dream Master]

A couple of reasons (which I'm sure TM or FF will come in have a good rebuttal for later):

All the deaths in the high school in FD happened during a ten year period. It's pretty well accepted that the first Elm Street happened in '81, so if we take what Maggie says at face value, that means FD has to happen around '91.

Also, Freddy vs Jason apparently takes place in 2003 (going by the sign at CCL), but we know that Springwood has been in the clear for four years. That means Freddy was eliminated by the Springwood conspiracy in '99; thus, FD couldn't have taken place then unless you mean to tell me that FD occurs at the beginning of '99 and fixes itself up fast enough to where it's a fully repopulated town by the end of the year. Kind of hard to swallow.

Like I said, TM and FF will come in here and have some good evidence to the contrary. It's a good debate really, and I don't think there's a clear answer or "right" interpretation. Just different opinions is all.

[Wheatjedi]

All the deaths in the high school in FD happened during a ten year period. It's pretty well accepted that the first Elm Street happened in '81, so if we take what Maggie says at face value, that means FD has to happen around '91.

Also, Freddy vs Jason apparently takes place in 2003 (going by the sign at CCL), but we know that Springwood has been in the clear for four years. That means Freddy was eliminated by the Springwood conspiracy in '99; thus, FD couldn't have taken place then unless you mean to tell me that FD occurs at the beginning of '99 and fixes itself up fast enough to where it's a fully repopulated town by the end of the year. Kind of hard to swallow.

Ah... got it. I don't pay as close attention to the NOES continuity as I do F13 and Halloween, but I remember all the things you point out. You're right... it did get sloppy with FD and FvsJ.

[The Dream Master]

Yeah, and the thing is, the continuity is really good between the first five, aside from a few things that can be explained. I tell ya, it's the whole "Ten Years From Now" thing that throws everything off. It's clear they were going for a sort of apocalyptic sort of thing, so setting it in the future makes sense, but its too vague for my liking.

[Darth Sinister]

Well the ten years thing was fine, before FvsJ came into the picture. I don't think they were going for an apocalyptic setting, rather what would happen if there was no one to oppose Freddy. In each film there was always someone, until the sixth film. So with Alice and Jacob gone, it made sense that Springwood was totally fucked without the Johnsons. The fact that Shannon, Swift, Goyer and Yu were ignoring that aspect of "Freddy's Dead" is what makes it a bit hard to work out properly.

Otherwise, the Nightmare films worked fine within the confines of the timeline as opposed to the Friday films.

[The Tall Man]

I don't understand the whole "Nightmare 1 takes place in 1981" nonsense. Motion picture rules dictate that unless a movie sets itself in a particular year or makes mention of the timeframe, then it takes place in the year of release...

And explain to me (SERIOUSLY) how Nancy could be watching "Evil Dead" in 1981... when it hadn't been released yet?

T.M.

[Darth Sinister]

Ah, well there you go.

[The Dream Master]

TM, blame it all on Dream Child. It's the only movie that gives us a clear year: 1989. From there, we work backwards to get the rest of the years: I assume Dream Master takes place a year before: 1988, which in turn places Dream Master in 1987. Nancy claims Freddy killed all her friends six years ago, which would place the original in 1981, which is really a very conservative estimate, given that one can argue that more than a year separates Dream Warriors and Dream Master (and like wise for DM and DC). As for the Evil Dead thing...well, that's just an anomoly that results from later sequels not giving a shit about what the previous films established, I guess.

[Scarecrow]

In NOES continuity, Evil Dead was made earlier. :p


- Scarecrow

[French Friday]

I'll try to make it short this time :

1) ANOES in 1981 because of Dream Child in 1989, the 6 years ago from Dream Warriors, and the 5 years ago from Freddy's Revenge. Remember also that Wes Craven said he wrote the first draft in 1981 (or very early 80s) and several years passed before he could sell it to New Line. Nowhere it is said this "evil dead" is OUR evil dead. Just a movie on TV which looks like it. No "1982" or any other year on the TV screen.

2) 1999 because of the 10 years from now and the 4 years before FvJ. It just fits so right. In my theory, the Anti-Freddy Conspiracy began somewhere around 1989, after Dream Child. 10 years were needed to erase Freddy and put every "contaminated" child in Westin Hills. John Doe was the only child not able to take hypnocil (it made him sick, like some drugs use to do on certain people) and was just closed up in Westin Hills, as seen in Freddy's Dead scene where John Doe is in a "quiet room" during his nightmare. In fact, it was a memory. He was the last child Freddy was able to reach through dreams after he killed Lori's mother and Mark's brother, his last two victims before Freddy's Dead's victims.

3) The TV series changed a lot of things in the continuity and until I watch it completely one day, I don't take account of it. I used to hear that the trial and death of Freddy took place around 1974 in the TV show, which is impossible as 1968 is the year of death of his mother, which happened just after the trial. I can't accept that 6 years happened between the trial and the death of Freddy. It just doesn't fit with the rage of the parents. It surely has been a very fast trial.

4) The "10 years" on the classroom wall started around the middle of the 70s if you freeze the frame and look at the biggest "cards" (Can't find the right word). I took them as the first Freddy victims post-dream demons. As we can note, the first "cards" are well placed on the wall, but then more and more are added and there are less well placed, more tight to each other... I understand that there is surely more of them in other classrooms, to cover the rest of the years, something between 1985 and 1999.

5) What we seen in FD is just a fair out of town, and one area of Springwood, the Elm Street one, the kingdom of Freddy (as we see, even in reality, there's dream effects on people). This is a forbidden zone. Elsewhere in Springwood, the "normal" kids are going in another highschool, avoiding the forbidden zone (ala some New Orleans areas after Katrina), and for some of them, going there for the fun (but as they are under hypnocil, they see nothing special, and are quite disappointed). After 1999, the Conspiracy reopened the area, with attractive prices, and by 2003, Elm Street is back to normal.

And I said I"ll try to be short...

[Utellme]

So whats the years for each movie going by time line by what the movies tell us ? And whats the fans time line ?

[The Dream Master]

French, do you think Nancy, Tina, and Glenn were Freddy's first dream victims? I always thought that was the case, which is why Freddy's Nightmares really screws up continuity for me. That, and the fact that Donald Thompson is nowhere to be found, despite the fact that DW makes it pretty clear that he had a big part in Freddy's death.

[Scarecrow]

I prefer to think that Freddy's Dead presents a possible alternative version of Springfield with Freddy's power and influence ruling, sort of like SIlent Hill.

Anyone else going there sees a normal town, normal people, hypnocil and everything. But those touched by Freddy, not drugged or whatever, the towen is Freddy's... stepping into it is like stepping into the Dream World thus he can effect reality as well.

When he's killed at the end, reality cnaps back into place.

- Scarecrow

[French Friday]

French, do you think Nancy, Tina, and Glenn were Freddy's first dream victims? I always thought that was the case, which is why Freddy's Nightmares really screws up continuity for me. That, and the fact that Donald Thompson is nowhere to be found, despite the fact that DW makes it pretty clear that he had a big part in Freddy's death.

I don't think Nancy, Tina and Glenn were Freddy's first dream victims.

I think they were the first ones to "react", to fight him. The first to understand what was happening (the song already existed too before them)

I just think the previous victims (those on the classroom wall) were less numerous (maybe one every two month) and they were called suicides or accident. It's only when Nancy reacted to Freddy that Freddy began to really spread as a possibility, hence pushing the Conspiracy to "strike back".

Donald Thompson, as seen in DW, became a lonely drinking guy after the loss of his wife, and surely quitted the Conspiracy in 1981. And as he died in 1987, he couldn't have played a big part in the Great Conspiracy from 1989 to 1999. That's a given. The flashbacks in FvJ weren't numerous, so we don't really know who did what on the Conspiracy. I always thought there was at least a dozen of couple of parents playing the same kind of part in the Conspiracy. The Thompsons were just one of them. Maybe there was the "Big Twelve". And without Donald, it's just "Freddy's Eleven" you know, he was important when he was the sheriff, but after ANOES, he lost his place, and maybe Lori's father was number 2. As for the TV show (I realise I was a little out of subject above talking about the movies, but I think it was useful), as I said, I don't remember anything from it. I really can't comment.

As for the timeline :

1981 ANOES (- 6 from DW)
1986 Freddy's Revenge (+ 5 after ANOES)
1987 DW (summer, before the school year seen in DM)
1988 DM (spring, end of school year began just after DW - 2nd Grade certainly)
1989 DC (1989 on the screen, end of school, so 1st Grade)
1999 FD (+ death of Lori's Mother and Mark's brother)
2003 FvJ (4 years of peace since the last deaths)
ADDED:
I prefer to think that Freddy's Dead presents a possible alternative version of Springfield with Freddy's power and influence ruling, sort of like SIlent Hill.

Anyone else going there sees a normal town, normal people, hypnocil and everything. But those touched by Freddy, not drugged or whatever, the towen is Freddy's... stepping into it is like stepping into the Dream World thus he can effect reality as well.

When he's killed at the end, reality cnaps back into place.

- Scarecrow

That's kinda the same idea as me. Maybe much more simple so I can adopt it.

Just one question to be sure I understand well : do you think Lori's family lived on Elm Street Freddy's/Nancy's house DURING Freddy's Dead ?

So the van enters in Alternate Springwood, find the "crazy parents" who aren't under hypnocil, then when they leave, the "broken wall" is just a way to say that now, the Kingdom of Freddy is the world. And as only Springwood is under hypnocil, that's why no one remembers the kids in the town next door, because their minds are manipulated.

My question now, and one I really want to find an answer to really enjoy FD, is : Why Freddy would like to see these kids erase from the memories of everyone ? Don't that go against the rules that Freddy needs the fear and the knowledge of him to attack ?

I can see Freddy not knowing about that fact until FvJ. He always found a way to come back before, and surely never thought about something preventing him from that. That's only in hell that his minds understood that he needed fear to "work".

[The Dream Master]

French, I was referring to Donald Thompson's role in Freddy's actual death at the hands of the lynch mob, not the Springwood Conspiracy. The films always made it seem pretty evident that he was the ring leader, but in Freddy's Nightmares, it's another cop altogether. Because of this, I'd have to say you're right in not worrying about fitting FN into continuity because it's too contradictary for my tastes.

I do tend to think that Nancy's friends were Freddy's first victims, myself. I thought that the Nightmare song was one that was possibly created while Freddy was still alive, which is why it's referenced by Nancy in the first film. To me, it makes the most sense that Freddy would go after Nancy and her friends first since the Thompsons seem to the ring-leaders of the entire thing. I guess it's certainly possible that Freddy got to other kids first, but I don't think that's the case. It's pretty important to my own timeline that Freddy's reign of terror begins in 1981, so that's why I think Nancy and the others were the first.

As always, I think we're still going to have to agree to disagree about Freddy's Dead, mostly because I really like the idea that Freddy completely rendered Springwood a ghost town in the years after Alice left town. Logically speaking, Springwood would have had about 8 years to rebuild if FD takes place in '91, which works better for me.

[Kane Lives]

Well the ten years thing was fine, before FvsJ came into the picture. I don't think they were going for an apocalyptic setting, rather what would happen if there was no one to oppose Freddy. In each film there was always someone, until the sixth film. So with Alice and Jacob gone, it made sense that Springwood was totally fucked without the Johnsons. The fact that Shannon, Swift, Goyer and Yu were ignoring that aspect of "Freddy's Dead" is what makes it a bit hard to work out properly.

Otherwise, the Nightmare films worked fine within the confines of the timeline as opposed to the Friday films.


That's the way I see it as well.

I never had a problem with the timeline until FVJ came out.

[Utellme]

In my opinion the timeline looks right on with release dates wish Friday the 13th would of kept a close timeline like NOES.

May i ask why you have the problem with the timeline with Fvs J ?

And why is The last nightmare 7 not on that timeline ?

Thanks for all the info

[French Friday]

French, I was referring to Donald Thompson's role in Freddy's actual death at the hands of the lynch mob, not the Springwood Conspiracy. The films always made it seem pretty evident that he was the ring leader, but in Freddy's Nightmares, it's another cop altogether. Because of this, I'd have to say you're right in not worrying about fitting FN into continuity because it's too contradictary for my tastes.

Yeah, I understood too late what you were talking about and didn't want to erase the whole text... BTW, when I say "conspiracy" it's the "lynch mob" AND the "Springwood Conspiracy" together. For me, it's the same thing. There was always that secret between the parents, and that lead them to hypnocil and everything...


I do tend to think that Nancy's friends were Freddy's first victims, myself. I thought that the Nightmare song was one that was possibly created while Freddy was still alive, which is why it's referenced by Nancy in the first film. To me, it makes the most sense that Freddy would go after Nancy and her friends first since the Thompsons seem to the ring-leaders of the entire thing. I guess it's certainly possible that Freddy got to other kids first, but I don't think that's the case. It's pretty important to my own timeline that Freddy's reign of terror begins in 1981, so that's why I think Nancy and the others were the first.

If it's better for your timeline, that's fine. "You're the watcher, you decide", I always say.

I just like to think Freddy's reign of terror began years before he met his first match. That makes Nancy more special, and Freddy way stronger, as he was the "king" during around 6 years before finding a strong enough opponent. Imagine the weakness of Freddy if he already lost to his only 4th prey ?

And surely Freddy went after weak kids first, during his "training" as a rookie. When ANOES begins, Freddy is already a professional.


As always, I think we're still going to have to agree to disagree about Freddy's Dead, mostly because I really like the idea that Freddy completely rendered Springwood a ghost town in the years after Alice left town. Logically speaking, Springwood would have had about 8 years to rebuild if FD takes place in '91, which works better for me.

In my timeline, if I take that new "Silent Hill" theory I begin to love. The town was almost normal after 1989, and each year after each year, less and less children are killed in their dreams. It took 10 years to the Conspiracy to put all the survivors on hypnocil or in Westin Hills IN SECRET. How can they remove hundreds of kids from their parents in the same year without it being strange (hence questions, hence Freddy's name mentioned, hence failure of the plan) ? Impossible. But during 10 years, they always can invent stuff, like what they did to Lori's boyfriend. The parents who didn't believe the lies, were the ones in the fair. They knew all was about Freddy. And the Conspiracy make them look crazy. Also, during 10 years, you can make your son or daughter take their orange juice with hypnocil every morning like a ritual, when in a few weeks, it would have looked very strange. So they needed time and during that time, new children were killed in their dreams. The conspiracy did as fast as possible, but couldn't go faster.

What I love in my theory, it's that FvJ explains all the problems FD had for me. That scene with John Doe in a "quiet room" made no sense before FvJ, just a weird dream. Now it's a memory linked to his life in Westin Hills without hypnocil.

Remember when I first came to this forum, claiming FD took place in 1991 because "10 years from now" was the 10 years in the past till the original in 1981... Damn, I changed my mind a lot since that time !

[The Dream Master]

That is an interesting take on John Doe's dream in the quiet room in FD. I'd never thought of that.

Honestly, the only reason I still believe FD is ten years after the original is FvJ taking place in 2003. Without that specific year, it's easy to say that FD takes place just about anywhere. The "Silent Hill" Springwood is a great theory, no doubt, and it makes a lot of sense. The only reason I can't go with it is the fact that the little prologue thing at the beginning of FD says that every child in Springwood was killed. It still works, though, I guess. That's the thing about this whole thing, I guess--just about anything explanation works because it's so open to interpretation.

As for Nancy, Tina, etc. being the first: I guess they might not have been the very first, but if Freddy attacked any more kids before them, I think it would probably only have been a handful, and I don't think it happened any earlier than a few months before the first NOES. Since Freddy could only go after Elm Street kids, I think it would have been very noticable if they would have started dropping like flies in the years leading up to NOES.

[Scarecrow]

Another main reason I go the "Silent Hill" route is that it's simply insane to think a town like the one portrayed in FD COULD exist... and that it could be fully restorted by FvJ.

Towns aren't isolated these days. There would be foor transports, products sent back and forth, supermarkets need stocking up, businesses need to communicate. The police, the FBI, people would notice... a town simply couldn't get like that and NOT be noticed by someone, by MANY people, who have power and authority.

The "Silent Hill" theory, for me, covers all of that as well.


- Scarecrow

[French Friday]

Another main reason I go the "Silent Hill" route is that it's simply insane to think a town like the one portrayed in FD COULD exist... and that it could be fully restorted by FvJ.

Towns aren't isolated these days. There would be foor transports, products sent back and forth, supermarkets need stocking up, businesses need to communicate. The police, the FBI, people would notice... a town simply couldn't get like that and NOT be noticed by someone, by MANY people, who have power and authority.

The "Silent Hill" theory, for me, covers all of that as well.


- Scarecrow

I love that !

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As for the prologue in FD, Dream Master, I take it as Freddy's POV on Springwood (maybe that prologue is some stuff that appears on his Nintendo screen !). Because of hypnocil, there was just one last reachable child for him... The children all disappeared from his Kingdom during these 10 years. One by one, they no more entered in Freddy's dreamworld when sleeping.

[Rich]

Maybe she was watching Deep Within the Woods. :lol:

Seriously though, I just discount everything after Part 3 and don't even take any of them seriously until New Nightmare.

As far as I'm concerned, Dream Warriors was the last part of the canon Nightmare on Elm Street story.

[The Dream Master]

Come on, Rich. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not canon. Besides, it's not like any of the events of the last few films outright contradict anything in the first three (a la Halloween H20).

French, you know that makes a lot of sense. The "Silent Hill" Springwood does make a lot of sense, no doubt. Perhaps all the stuff the kids and Maggie see in "Springwood" is Freddy's interpretation of his ideal Springwood (e.g, crazy parents wanting for their dead children, the Freddy-centric nature of the town's history, etc.). Another thing to consider: what are the odds that Maggie and John would find Maggie's old drawing all those years after the fact? I remember on the old forum that someone considered the town in FD to be Freddy's own nightmare, but what if it were his greatest dream come true? Freddy is so powerful that the entire town in some sort of living nightmare that's a projection of Freddy's ideal. By the time FD comes around, he's bored of it, which is why he sends John Doe out. If we're going with the "Silent Hill" theory, I think it's entirely possible that, had Maggie and the other kids merely ventured to Springwood without John Doe, they would have found a perfectly normal town. However, John's weird behavior gave the kids just enough fear to be manipulated by Freddy. I'm really liking this theory, and I'm sure there's a way to work it out where it still makes it possible for FD to occur more than a few years than FvJ, though.

[The Tall Man]

DM, that in fact was a concept in the screenplay for Nightmare 6 that was passed over for the Talalay/De Luca story. Freddy's evil actually manifested and transformed Springwood and their people into a living, walking nightmare.

That's an interesting interpretation.

T.M.

[Utellme]

The town people evil along with Freddy Krueger evil that works.

[French Friday]

French, you know that makes a lot of sense. The "Silent Hill" Springwood does make a lot of sense, no doubt. Perhaps all the stuff the kids and Maggie see in "Springwood" is Freddy's interpretation of his ideal Springwood (e.g, crazy parents wanting for their dead children, the Freddy-centric nature of the town's history, etc.). Another thing to consider: what are the odds that Maggie and John would find Maggie's old drawing all those years after the fact? I remember on the old forum that someone considered the town in FD to be Freddy's own nightmare, but what if it were his greatest dream come true? Freddy is so powerful that the entire town in some sort of living nightmare that's a projection of Freddy's ideal. By the time FD comes around, he's bored of it, which is why he sends John Doe out. If we're going with the "Silent Hill" theory, I think it's entirely possible that, had Maggie and the other kids merely ventured to Springwood without John Doe, they would have found a perfectly normal town. However, John's weird behavior gave the kids just enough fear to be manipulated by Freddy. I'm really liking this theory, and I'm sure there's a way to work it out where it still makes it possible for FD to occur more than a few years than FvJ, though.

I think you just sum up my new theory on FD. It works great like that. I just need now to test it during a watching of the series. Just to see if it makes FD really better (everytime I find a new theory better, more complete, than the previous one, the movie just feels better, and that's why I'm always searching for better theories that erase all the failures)

[Rich]

Come on, Rich. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not canon. Besides, it's not like any of the events of the last few films outright contradict anything in the first three (a la Halloween H20).

I never said it wasn't canon. I just said it wasn't canon to me. It might be canon to you, but not to me. :)

[Germaniac]

Here is my continuity from the ANOES movies (you will notice hat I switched around some of the movies, but I have my reasons for it)

Freddy´s Nightmares: No more Mr nice guy
Freddy´s Nightmares: Sisters Keeper
A Nightmare on Elm Street
A nightmare on elnm Stret Part 3 - Dream Warriors
A nightmare on Elnm Street 4 - Dream Master
A Nightmare on Elm Street 5 - Dream child
A Nightmare on Elm Street 2 - Freddy´s Revenge
Freddy´s Nightmares: Freddy´s Tricks and treats
FN: Safer Sex
FN: Dream come true
FN: Dreams that kill
FN: Photo Finish
FN: It´s my Party and you die when I want to
Freddy vs Jason
Freddy´s Dead
Wes Craven´s New Nightmare

My reasons for the switches:
The kids in Part 2 weren´t Elm Street kids like the ones from 1 and 3. For me its logical that Freddy went for the Elm Street kids (whose parents killed him) first because he could contact them directly. When all those kids were dead he had to go through Alice, wo inherited Kristen´s power, to get to new kids. When this option ended with the end of Part 5 he had to find a new way tro get through new kids and he found it with the Walsh family from part 2. While Jesse and his freinds weren´t original Elm street kids he was able to enter his dreams because his evil spirit is still connected to the Elm Street house. Because of his massacre at Lisa´s pool party several of those kids "learned" about Freddy (the survivors of the massacre and the kids who heard/ read about it) and that´s how he could continue killing.
"Freddy´s Nightmare: It´smy party and you die if I want to" could be connected to WCNN because we see how the Freddy-story got turned into a hollywood-screenplay.
After freddy continued killing (see the Freddy´s Nightmare episodes) the people finally realized that Freddy is for real and started the entire "don´t say his name out loud" campaing. So FvsJ takes place here. Since freddy gained enough strength (the kids in school learned about Dreddy again and the Hypnocil for the patients in Westin Hills was destroyed) he was able to kill the rest of the kids in Springwood. Therefore freddy´s dead takes place after FvsJ in my timeline.
After Freddy run out of options he decides to haunt the actors/makers of the movie that was made from the script from "It´s my party ..." in WCNN.

Sure, there are some problems. Part 2 looks olderthan 3-5 (the music, the clothes the kid are wearing, the "aging" of the Elm Street house ) but I can live with that.

[Rich]

Freddy's Dead should definitely come before Freddy vs. Jason as FVJ was a sequel to it and Jason Goes to Hell.

[Germaniac]

Freddy's Dead should definitely come before Freddy vs. Jason as FVJ was a sequel to it and Jason Goes to Hell.

Okay, FvsJ showed clips from Freddy´s Dead in the intro, but that doesn´t really bother me. It´s not like FvsJ is marketed as a direct sequel to any ANOES movie .. just a sequel to the franchise.
When would FvsJ take place then? in Freddy´s Dead all teens and children were dead so a new generation of teens must have been brought up. That would mean that at least up to 18 or 20 years must have passed since FD (considering the age of Mark´s brother). That would put the movie way too much in the future. Considerng that before FvsJ Springwod had "4 years of peace" we are now talking about 25 years, which would mean FvsJ would at least take place in 2015!!!
And I don´t think that Springwood could recover itself from the state that it was in in FD (where everyone was crazy and the town was dead). The failed "Freddy-boykott" from FvsJ however could have let to that situation.

[Rich]

His daughter, a blood relative blew him to pieces and sent him to hell at the end of FD. Jason was also sent to hell in JGTH. It makes sense that the two would meet in hell and that is how FVJ happens. It was written to be that. Just read the novel.

[Germaniac]

His daughter, a blood relative blew him to pieces and sent him to hell at the end of FD. Jason was also sent to hell in JGTH. It makes sense that the two would meet in hell and that is how FVJ happens. It was written to be that. Just read the novel.

Yeah, I read the novelization.
But as stated in FvsJ: Freddy must have been active (and notdead or in hell) after the last sequel (whichever that may have been) because of the inmates of Westin Hillls and the death of Mark´s brother and Lori´s mother. So he wasn´t "in hell" or "dead". They got rid of him because they let everyone forget that he existed and therefore took away the fear of Freddy.

[The Dream Master]

FvJ takes place after Freddy's Dead...I mean, they show the clips, so it obviously happened at that point. Springwood being repopulated again is just something you have to roll with, but it's very clear that Freddy came back after Freddy's Dead, killed a bunch of teens, and wasn't sent back to hell until the conspiracy effectively erased him.

Also, Nightmare 2 can't happen that late. It certainly happens before Nightmare 3 because each of them make direct references to the original. In part 2, it's 5 years since the first one, and in part 3, it's 6 years.

[The Tall Man]

"Freddy's Nightmares" does not take place within the continuity of the formal series. The character of Freddy Krueger from "Freddy's Nightmares" is a completely different character with a completely different backstory.

Also, the "Sister's Keeper" episode of FN OBVIOUSLY takes place in the late 80s.

As for FD and FvsJ, yeah, FD takes place first. FvsJ takes place in 2003... FD is obviously not that far along. Also, Shannon & Swift have said they wanted it to start up from the last Friday and Nightmare and not to ignore any of the entries (which they had to with New Nightmare for obvious reasons). Ergo, FD was the last Nightmare adventure we were privvy to.

Here's the four different timelines:

A Nightmare on Elm Street (1981)
A Nightmare on Elm Street 2: Freddy's Revenge (1986)
A Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors (1987)
A Nightmare on Elm Street 4: The Dream Master (1988)
A Nightmare on Elm Street 5: The Dream Child (1989)
Freddy's Dead: The Final Nightmare (1999/2001 ?-- Your call)
Freddy vs. Jason (2003)

Wes Craven's New Nightmare (1994)

Freddy's Nightmares (late 80s; early 90s-- although, a computer screen claims Krueger died in 1974, but that's impossible considering the "Sister's Keeper" episode obviously takes place in the late 80s)

A Nightmare on Elm Street (2010)

T.M., Esq.

[Rich]

I agree with those time lines but have a question. Why is the Freddy's Nightmares series not in the same timeline as the movies?

They portrayed Freddy's original death differently then Freddy's Dead, but that is all I can tell. Maybe is it because there is no Thompsons in that episode either?

[The Tall Man]

Rich, Freddy Krueger is a complete different character in "Freddy's Nightmares". There are many many differing details of his life which he talks about throughout the series (like having a mom and dad and his mom dying when he was a child), but the big one is that according to the series, Freddy was 18 in 1970 whereas by 1970 the real Freddy was already married, had a kid (or was expecting one), and probably slaughtering kids (or, depending on what timeline you go by, was already honkin' dead).

There's no way to reconcile the movies and the TV series.

T.M., Esq.

[Darth Sinister]

A lot of things are different.

In "No More Mr. Nice Guy", the chief is Gene Stratton was the arresting officer when Freddy was captured. Donald Thompson and Sgt. Parker are not mentioned, nor seen. Freddy drives around with an ice cream truck, which he used to lure the children to their deaths. In the films, it is implied that he snatched them from school. In the pilot, Freddy acts like he does in the later films, whereas in the flashbacks in "Freddy's Dead" and "Freddy Vs Jason", he was just creepy scary. In the pilot, Freddy's in the building where his truck is when he is burned. In the films, he's shown to have been in a shed at the time he was killed. In both films he was wearing a trench coat at the time of his death and had his hat off. In the show, he was getting ready to go out and kill when he's burned. In "It's My Party And I'll Die If I Want To", the backstory of Freddy states that he wore his sweater all the time during high school and wore it while on trial. In "Freddy's Dead", he's only seen wearing the sweater when he goes out to kill the kids. Otherwise he wore regular clothes. Freddy's childhood friend Howard B. Hampkin is not in "Freddy's Dead". In "It's My Party..." a classmate of Freddy's begins writing a screenplay of Freddy's life after hearing about what happened after graduation. Howard B. Hampkin takes the script after Freddy kills his classmate and later claims that Howard wrote the script for "A Nightmare On Elm Street". The show was on the air between the fourth and fifth films, during which time Freddy indisposed of. In the show, more people know about Freddy and what he's done, than in the films until the sixth one.

[The Tall Man]

The show was on the air between the fourth and fifth films,
Actually, FN was on from 1988-1990, between 4 and 6. While it was only on for 2 seasons, it ran in reruns for three years.

But the stuff you mentioned is small shit. The bigger picture is that Freddy's entire personal history is different other than he murdered kids and was burned alive. He's born a different year. He had a different life than the real Freddy. And it's even possible he died a different year (the late 80s?). Everything is different.

T.M., Esq.

[Voorheeszilla]

The confusing thing about the timeline for me is that it always appeared to me that the original took place in 1984, but the part two says five years have passed, meaning it'd be 1989, & in DW it'd be 1990. The whole thing kind of irritates me.

[Rich]

Time lines do have the ability to give one a headache if one thinks too hard about it. I've officially hit the "I don't give a shit" button on time lines and just not the movies for what they are.