Live Free or Die Hard

[Germaniac]

Thanks to DH4 I am back in the mood and I am happy to see that there is already some talk about DH5!
From here:

16th July 2007 06:07:38

Die Hard 5 And The Godfather Estate....

Willis To Reunite With Ex-Wife In Die Hard 5?

Bruce Willis is keen to reunite with his 'ex-wife' - in the next Die Hard sequel.

The action man wants Bonnie Bedelia, who played his wife Holly in the first two Die Hard films, to reprise her role in a planned fifth film, alongside "the gang from part four".

Meanwhile, Internet rumours suggest Morgan Freeman, who is currently making The Last Full Measure with Willis, is in talks to play the villain in Die Hard 5.
[...]

I heard elsewhere that Justin Long and Lucy McCLane will return as well.
While I would take these rumours with a grain of salt I am already hyped. Holly back in the mix and McClane trying to get together with her could be interesting. Freeman has the potential to be a great villain like Rickman and Irons.

[The Dark Vampire]

I wonder if his son will show up in this one from what I read he was supposed to be in Die Hard 4

If not they could at least mention him.

[The Tall Man]

Do they really need to make another one? I was happy with 4 being a series capper.

T.M.

[Fancy Corkscrew]

I could not stand Live Free or Die Hard. I am just erasing it from my memory as a Die hard movie so I really do not want another.

[The Dark Vampire]

I loved it really loved it

I admit I had my doubts when I heard the plot but when I watched it I wa slike wow the guy and the movie still has it.

i am looking forwards to Die Hard 5

is a patten emerging all the old action heros are going back to what brought them to the dance

Harrison Ford is Indy again

Sly is Rocky and Rambo again

Bruce Willis is John McClain again

Arnold went back to been The Terminator a few years ago rumors are he will at least have a cameo in T4

[Toejam]

I liked Live Free or Die Hard, bring on another one. As long as it is soon and not in another 15 years.

[The Dark Vampire]

I liked Live Free or Die Hard, bring on another one. As long as it is soon and not in another 15 years.

Yeah both Bruce and 20th century fox (and whoever else is involved) said they will get on with it soon after all Bruce isn't getting any younger

[Dave Dunwoody]

Live Free didn't feel like a Die Hard to me. Bruce Willis was sure as hell John McClane - the man owns that role - but by the time we got to a jet blowing apart a semi as McClane speeds around a corkscrew of freeway, I'd had about enough. The touch of gritty realism that's always been a part of Die Hard, no matter how crazy things got, was wiped away.

On the plus side - Mary Elizabeth Winstead. yummy

There were some better bits. The daytime car chase/urban assault, the fight with Maggie Q (until the elevator shaft got involved - again, way too much.)

I guess I might be in for a DH5 if they could drop the insane CGI-laden action and get a good villain. It wasn't Timothy Olyphant's fault, the character was just uninteresting & unthreatening. The only effective scene, to me, was Olyphant taunting McClane to make a smartass remark while seeing his daughter in peril.

[Special Killa B]

DH5? Awesome!!!! Bring t On!!!!!!!

[D-Lo]

I loved the last one so let's see a part 5.

[The Dream Master]

While Live Free or Die Hard wasn't an awesome film, I thought it was fun. I'd welcome another DH as long as it didn't get too crazy. LFODH really pushed the limits in that respect. Die Hard has always been sort of over the top, but there was always a sense of reality. McClane felt too much like a superman type character for my liking in the latest.

Oh, and it would be nice if this one were rated R, too.

[Special Killa B]

So if Die Hard 5 becomes a go what sub title names do you think they would use for it? And what plot would you like to see?

[Dave Dunwoody]

Die Hard has always been sort of over the top, but there was always a sense of reality. McClane felt too much like a superman type character for my liking in the latest.
Exactly - and the henchmen too. Maggie Q (henchwoman) should've eaten that SUV and been done. And the Indestructible Frenchman with his parkour was fun to watch, but dammit this was supposed to be a Die Hard movie!

The rest of the Maggie Q fight was so satisfying, I hate that it had to end with an over-the-top stunt, instead of her & McClane beating just each other bloody senseless on the floor. A movie's gotta have balls these days to show the hero slugging a chick in the face, but this movie needed to reach deeper and find that extra ball the other DH's have.

What I really liked about the first part of the Maggie Q fight was that it called to mind William Sadler's Col. Stuart vs McClane - the streetwise cop finding himself a fish-out-of-water against a martial arts expert. I love that in DH2, Stuart defeats McClane when they go head-to-head, and only dies thanks to John's quick thinking and a little luck.

And it is admittedly the same type of scenario when he dispatches the Indestructible Frenchman - John using quick thinking to beat a guy that he simply can't take in a fight. But again, it was too much with the dude freerunning all over the walls and pipeworks. I'd love to see that shit in another movie.

It's that tenuous balance between action-hero invincibility and everyman realism that makes a Die Hard movie. Despite Olyphant's statement that John's an "analog wristwatch in a digital world" (great writing fartheads), John doesn't really seem that vulnerable. As in every DH film, you know he's gonna win in the end - but this time it didn't feel like he paid in human pain for the victory.

[The Tall Man]

So if Die Hard 5 becomes a go what sub title names do you think they would use for it?
I know what I want:

DIE HARD: JUST CAN'T BLOW HIM UP

and I know you can't use profanity in titles, but I'm partial to:

DIE HARD LIKE A MOTHERFUCKER

Truthful, calls to mind McClane's signature line, tells the story.

T.M.

[The Dark Vampire]

Was anybody else expecting a Lethal Weapon "I'm getting to old for this shit" kind of line from John

[Germaniac]

I loved LFaDH and I think it is superior to DH2 (and almost on the same level as DHwaV).
About the jet-truck scene: There were other over-the-top action sequences in the series. MacClane surfing on the truck in the flooding tunnel in DH3, the climax of DH2.

[Lammert]

Die Hard 4.0 was fake for me, it just didn't fit in with the rest of the series.
The badguy with the laptop is also a huge problem... nowdays every hacker can be a big badguy. Fuck it, I want a bad guy with a lot of evil charachter, goons and guns! Badguys that are intimidating, not nerdy kids with anger.

The whole truck vs. jetfighter scene was to much over the top... I didn't buy that... it would work better in another rushed Terminator sequel.

The Godfather Estate

Whats this? I loved The Godfather trilogy...

[Germaniac]

Theo in DH1 was a hacker as well ... and how did the mercenaries in DH2 get controll over the airports ILS system? By hacking!
About "fitting in with the rest of the series" ... DH2 seems to be written off the continuity. In DH2 McClane is from the LAPD, which indicates that he got transfered from NYPD to LA after DH! ... but in DHwaV he is from NYPD and the events of DH2 are never mentioned again.

[Lammert]

I agree, DH2 is a nice movie but doesn't fit in becuase of those flaws... I hate the telephone scene where Bruce calls his wife in the plane.

The hacking stuff in DH1 and DH2 wasn't done by the big bosses, but by their henchmen... And it wasn't so over the top as in the first DH's. In DH4 they just do almost everything by laptop.

[Germaniac]

Thomas Gabriel, the big boss in DH4, also let his henchmen do the most of the hacking ... and that was the big storyline of DH4: A terrorist attack via the computer. How are you supposed to sell this story without hackers and computers? This story was IMO original and something different than mercenaries/terrorists storming a building and taking hostages for the bizillionst time. It was a new, different sheme ... and considering that this stuff could really happen nowadays its not so farfetched.

[Lammert]

I agree, but the whole computer thing has also been done already... it's not that original.

I went to DH4 not to know what to expect, since I didn't see any trailers or read anything on the net about it. I enjoyed it, but it didn't feel like a DH to me.

[Undrtkerkane]

I didnt see DH4, but I heard from other people that it was better than Die Hard with a Vengence, im sorry but DH3 was the best one IMO. Any chance may Samuel L Jackson would reappear?? I think the 3rd one shouldve been it for the Die hard series.:jason:

[The Dark Vampire]

It's on par with Die Hard 3 IMO much much better than part 2 (I read an interview where Bruce Willis where says he doesn't like Die Hard 2)

[Killa Pimp]

To me, its not better than With a vengeance, I saw it when it opened and though it was great, but now that I had time to reflect: Its good, nothing spectacular. Some of the stunts were just way too over the top. That was o-kay. The Villain was so-so. But after Hans in part 1, you have to aim pretty high to even try to match the quality of the character.

It was cool to see John totally out of his element, but staying in complete control the whole time. The sidekick actually had the ability to affect the outcome more than the main character and that was a good twist. Bruce was there, just to beat up bad guys, shoot up bad guys and have the cool one liners. That's just how a Die Hard should be.

[The Dream Master]

The Gruber brothers remain as the best villains in the series. There's just something about the even-numbered sequels having some pretty bland villains, apparently.

[Zombie]

Well, I'm sure most saw my rant about this movie on the old forums. However, because of all the talk and people saying it was pretty good and I had nothing else todo and didn't feel like spending the night at home doing nothing I gave in and went and PAID and watched this movie in the theater after I pretty much wrote this movie off and wasn't going to give it a chance with it's rating.

I still stand by my original words after seeing the first teaser and theatrical trailer, that this movie DID NOT SEEM LIKE A TRUE DIE HARD MOVIE! Because there was nothing in the world that would convince me otherwise I went in with kinda low expectations and just viewing it as an action movie that just had Bruce Willis in it and not Die Hard 4.

I was surprised and it was pretty good (as a stand alone action movie). I enjoyed it and it had some good suspensful moments. You defitnitely can tell what had been cut short or camera cutting away to get their PG13 rating, also some scenes that would have played out and looked more brutal had they just stuck to an R rating. Also had they really wanted to make this a true DH movie they wouldn't have watered down McClain's language and dialouge. Now if they release this on DVD (well HD or BR DVD's for me) as an "uncut/unrated" release or even an R rated release then MAYBE I'll consider this a true DH sequal/movie. If not then it'll still be just a stand alone movie in my view.

I think I would have liked it even more or considered it more of a DH movie if they wouldn't have toned down the language. Now I know alot of people say language has nothing to do with it, but if you've seen the other movies McClains greatest lines are pretty raw and is just a lot more funnier then in this watered down one. The action was pretty good and I had fun like I did when I saw Terminator 3, and being a nice fresh old school action movie.

The story/movie as a whole was good and believeable IMO at least. I don't know if they should have really had his daughter in it. I think it would have worked better had she not been involved kinda like how DH3 didn't have any of his family involved other then over the phone. Justin Long was really good in this movie. He's taken some roles that I personally didn't like but seeing everything he's done from Jeepers Creepers to this defitnitely show's he has a wide area of acting and not just limited to like one kind of role.

So, even though I was totally against it, I decided to give it a chance and I liked it. Some may think that a movie's rating doesn't determine the movie but to me it does, especially when it's a sequal and all the other ones we're rated R. Kinda like how AvP just wasn't a true Alien or Predator movie, but that movie has issue's as a whole and not just the rating. I thought AvP would have gotten away with the PG13 rating due to it supposed to be Aliens and Predators killing each other (Fantasy Charectors) but when they did kill humans and ruined those kills then it just ruined the movie IMO.

So I'll say 4 out of 5 stars as a stand alone Bruce Willis action movie.
2 1/2 out of 5 as a DH movie and how they release it when it comes "home" then that may change.

[Fancy Corkscrew]

Zombie, I was in the same boat as you. I was not even gonna bother seeing this but it got good reviews and some friends told me it was good so I went with low expectations. But even with my low expectations I still hated it. I wanted to leave the theater half way through. Nothing about this movie felt like Die Hard to me. It felt so generic and boring. Sure there were some big action scenes but none of them excited me because I just did not care what was going on. Going in I thought it would be the PG-13 that killed it for me but now I think this movie will still suck with the eventual R rated dvd. It just bored the hell out of me, which I never expected from it.

[ZPowers]

I can agree a bit with the whole discontent at the over-the-top feel of this one as opposed to others, but the first half especially seemed just perfect for the series, and frankly, even though my favorite parts of the Maggie Q fight were A) When he (to quote Eazy E) "reached back like a pimp and slapped a hoe" after getting the shit kicked out of him and delivering that Kung Fu line and B) Maggie Q getting reemed with that SUV, I didn't terribley mind the remainder of the fight in the elevator shaft and and appreciated the visual reference to the demise of Hans Gruber (my very favorite action movie villain in my very favorite action movie) when Maggie started to turn the gun towards McClane only to find the SUV start falling, like Gruber out the window in DH1. I could also sort of get over that Bouncey the Frenchman, although he has been the most absurd henchmen yet in the series easily, and it still felt like a Die Hard to me.

The only part where I thought "Oh come on now!" in a major way was the whole Jet freeway thing. The whole sequence was just crazy, expecially the 'jump onto the tale of the jet' part. And since after all that he turns around and it's all 'Oh, there are the terrorists!" and I wasn't sure if anybody in the US Air Force would be that willing to blow the shit out of those US highways.

However, ultimately a forgivable lapse into the over-the-top for me and I loved the movie. Felt it was a solid entry and the first half especially seemed a lot in keeping with the Die Hard tradition, and besides you can't argue that each entry hasn't got more and more over-the-top.

I'm down for a fifth one (so long as it is soon!) and would love evil Morgan Freeman, but hopefully they tone it down just a little.

[El Rooto]

When's the DVD?

And how many of us didn't see it because it was PG-13? :shifty:

[hack slash]

just got finished watching it and I thought it was great, even Justin Long was cool in it it was better than most of the stuff I watched in theaters over the summer and I got to see it for free, won't say where or how but the was very entertaining

[Uncle Hoody]

It's in my local cheapie theater right now but I'm too busy lately. I hope it comes out on DVD soon so I can at least watch it at work or something.

[The Dark Vampire]

just got finished watching it and I thought it was great, even Justin Long was cool in it it was better than most of the stuff I watched in theaters over the summer and I got to see it for free, won't say where or how but the was very entertaining

What was the movie or how you got in for free:D

[El Rooto]

I still find it funny that some criticize this for being too OTT...

[hack slash]

What was the movie or how you got in for free:D

watched it on my couch

[The Dark Vampire]

watched it on my couch

Aahh I see now you did a Monster Squad type thing where you watched it on a drive in screen via a pair of binoculars or telescope and I know how you heard it you snuck in earlier and set up a walkie talkie or 2 way radio

[hack slash]

Aahh I see now you did a Monster Squad type thing where you watched it on a drive in screen via a pair of binoculars or telescope and I know how you heard it you snuck in earlier and set up a walkie talkie or 2 way radio

LOL no my friend got a screener copy titled Die Hard 4.0

[The Dark Vampire]

That's what it's called over here

[El Rooto]

I don't think we've seen the last of John McClane.

[hack slash]

I thought Willis said he wants to do another one, bring back Bonnie Bedelia(SP?) and be R rated one more time

[El Rooto]

(Shit. I did a search and this didn't show up.)

Mary Elizabeth Winstead annoys me.

[eXile]

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[Zombie]

Can you believe this crap? Fox will be releasing this with an unrated version on DVD but NOT on Bluray?!?!?1 WTF Gives?? I read this on a DVD site.

http://www.dvdactive.com/news/releases/live-free-or-die-hard.html

Fox Home Entertainment has officially announced Live Free or Die Hard which stars Bruce Willis and Justin Long. The film will be available in three DVD configurations – a single-disc full screen rated version ($29.98), a single-disc widescreen unrated edition ($29.98), and a unrated two-disc edition ($34.98). Each will carry English Dolby Digital 5.1 and DTS 5.1 Surround tracks. The single-disc editions will each include a commentary by Bruce Willis, Director Len Wiseman and Editor Nicolas De Toth, a “Die Hard” by Guyz Nite music video, and a behind-the-scenes with Guyz Nite featurette. The two-disc special edition will include all that, along with a ten-part Analog Hero in a Digital World: Making of Live Free or Die Hard documentary (“Prelude”, “Attack of the Franchise”, “Casting and Characters”, “Texture and Tone”, “Unimaginable Feats”, “The Cutting Room”, “Eye Candy”, “The World of D.I.”, “Sound and Fury”, and “Symphonic Boom”), a Yippee-Ki-Yay Mother F*****! one-on-one conversation with Bruce Willis & Kevin Smith (23 minutes), and the trailer. We've attached our first look at the official package artwork below.

A Blu-ray release of the film will also be available from the 20th. This one will only include the PG-13 rated theatrical version of the film, along with all of the above standard definition special features plus D-Box motion sensor capabilities, several high-definition trailers and the exclusive high definition BD-Java multi-level strategy game “Black Hat Intercept!”. Retail will be $39.98. Lastly, the 20th will also see the debut of the Die Hard Trilogy which comes locked and loaded with numerous bonus features including deleted scenes, featurettes, actor and director commentaries, visual effect breakdowns, alternate endings, side-by-side comparisons and much more. We'll bring you the artwork for this one shortly.

But if you go to the site and the banner on the bottom show's all the Bluray movies and on the LFODH box it does say Unrated??? I checked Amazon.com and they have a pre-sell but for just the PG13 version on Bluray. This is just BS, I was going to buy this on Bluray but if it doesn't include the Unrated version then I will not get it. Mainly because you know they're going to double dip and release another version with both the theatrical version AND unrated version later down the line. Wait here's an idea.. Since BR is supposed to have all this storage why not do that the FIRST RELEASE!!!??? oh I know, they want us to spend more money on their stuff instead of doing things the right way the first time..

This is just stupid. I'll just rent on Netflix now.. So dissapointed...

[The Dream Master]

Zombie, I saw that, too. Needless to say, I'm buying the trilogy on BD but I'll wait until Fox releases the unrated cut on BD sometime next year.

[Rich]

Live Free or Die Hard to me was one of the greatest action movies I have ever seen, and the story is very up to date, making the series feel like McClain's chronicles. I liked how John was out of date with the current technology and needed the help of a younger person to help him catch the new terrorist. That was a very believable character element, because we all have dads and grandfathers who don't know how to turn a dvd player or a computer on. I thought it was very believable in that sense, and shows John as just a regular guy, but a regular guy on a mission to do good.

[Rich]

The Freeman news is awesome! I wish they would bring back Samuel L. Jackson though. His character kicked ass. Even a cameo or a couple scenes would make me happy.

[Shoesalesman]

I watched Live Free or Die Hard on the plane to Toronto. I don't mind flying, but I needed to settle in for the four hour flight and it had enough action and plot to keep me focused. Some scenes were too forced, but overall I'd see a fifth one.

[Dave Dunwoody]

The only part where I thought "Oh come on now!" in a major way was the whole jet freeway thing.

Yeah, this is where the film lost me too. That's more like Schwarzenegger territory (in fact, True Lies came to mind). McClane's vulnerability, one of his most appealing qualities, was shelved in that superhuman sequence.

In the first three Die Hards, you knew McClane was going to win, but he struggled for each victory. More than once he got his ass kicked or was just plain lucky to survive. In DH4, despite the whole "analog cop" analogy and him being an older guy, he seemed unbreakable (lmao).

[Biosynthnut v.2]

Saw it on Blu Ray......Zombie it may be the theatrical version but holy shit does it look n sound awesome. I thought the story moved a little to fast in some spots. The French henchman reminded me of District B13( see it if you haven't it's pretty sweet).
The jet sequence was to far fetched, granted the fighter jet can hover like that in real life. What McClain does with it just doesn't fit the character. Even though he didn't fly it, it was kind Arnoldish.

Overall I liked it.

[Cody]

The French henchman reminded me of District B13

Understandable, that actor played one of the main characters in District B13. ;)

[nottidelterrore]

I still haven't seen this but want to pretty badly since I'm a huge fan of the previous three films. I was going to pick up the collector's edition DVD a few days ago but about crapped myself when I saw that it was $24 in stores. Maybe when I can find it somewhere for cheaper.

[The Tall Man]

$24 is actually a decent price for a 2-disc set. I can see you crapping yourself if it were 60 or something, but 24 is par for the course.

T.M.

[nottidelterrore]

It's a bit too high for me when I see other movies with 2 discs that are way cheaper than that. I guess Fox needs their money.

[The Dream Master]

This will come down in price eventually, like other 2-disc sets. Like TM said, though, $24 for a recent 2-disc release is about average, I think. It was probably a little cheaper during its first week of release.

[Deathscythe]

I still haven't seen this one yet, I guess I should rent the uncut version.

[The Dream Master]

I still haven't seen the uncut version because Fox saw it fit to release only the PG-13 version on Blu-ray for now. Fuckers.

I'm going to rent the uncut version sooner or later so I can see McClane in full force again.

[Special Killa B]

I still haven't seen the uncut version because Fox saw it fit to release only the PG-13 version on Blu-ray for now. Fuckers.

I'm going to rent the uncut version sooner or later so I can see McClane in full force again.

I really didn't see a difference in the two versions, the only difference is he said the F word about 5 or 6 times and his catch phrase was very clear and hearable.

[The Dream Master]

I heard the gore was amped up a bit, too. Is this not the case?

[El Rooto]

There's more blood added in.

[The Dream Master]

So, a few more f-bombs, some more blood, and the signature line delivered more clearly? Sounds more like a Die Hard flick to me. I'm gonna check it out this weekend, I think.

[Special Killa B]

I enjoyed it hopefully you will too DM

[The Dream Master]

Well, I liked even the theatrical version a good bit (aside from the fact that they turned McClane into Superman at times, but Thac and company already elaborated on that earlier), so all the stuff added back in will just be gravy.

[The Tall Man]

DM, let us know what you think.

As for my sensibilities, there's one line from the PG-13 version that kicks the shit out of its unrated equivelent.

T.M.

[El Rooto]

Is it "I was out of bullets"?

[The Dream Master]

MM, yes, that's the line TM's referring to. He was telling me about it in chat a couple of weeks back. I don't really like the line in the uncut version, but hopefully everything else will be an improvement.

[ZPowers]

I noticed that change when I saw the uncut version, and while I don't explicitly hate the new line (it's easily glzed over and not really cringe-worthy) I don't understand why they changed it? There's nothing about the new line that's so edgy as to warrant its appearence in the Unrated version only.


For those who don't know, the new exchange goes something like "you just killed a helicopter with a car!" "Yeah, well, thousands of people die in car accidents every year", if I remember it right.

[Zombie]

I rented the uncut version. There's no way I'll buy the Bluray release no matter how good it look untill it's uncut. The day I rented it was when I bought an HDMI cable for the PS3 as well so I can upconvert it. Now while it probably doesn't look as good as the BR disc, it still looked damn good for a regular DVD. I sometimes was thinking it was like an HD-DVD.

But yes, there's more cussing, a little more blood splattering that I noticed, but the talking and stuff made it feel like a REAL Die Hard movie. They probably knew this to so they released a theatrical version on BR and will make people double dip for the unrated later on. THat's one thing that pisses me off about BR and HD dvd's is there is alot of the re-releasing with a better master or more features.

You'd think they would do better with this more storage that they have. Hell the regular DVD has the theatrical and uncut on one side, and Bluray couldn't have done this?

[Rich]

THat's one thing that pisses me off about BR and HD dvd's is there is alot of the re-releasing with a better master or more features.

That pisses you off about BRs and HDDVDs? Have you been in hibernation during the entire DVD run? :lol:

[The Dream Master]

I think Zombie's trying to say that there's no excuse for the studios to be withholding stuff from HD releases when they're already readily available on their DVD counterparts. I agree with him, especially in the case of the Fox/MGM releases because they're bare bones, yet the MSRP is significantly higher than other studios' releases (which contain special features).

[Zombie]

Yeah, thats what I mean. There should be no reason not to include all the extra's that the standard DVD's have already with their triple releases or so. Take this movie for example. Bluray releases JUST the theatrical version. Yet on standard DVD you have the theatrical version AND the uncut version on the same disc none the less.

Which brings me back to this thread. Are they going to release this uncut for Bluray down the line? I've searched and searched and can't find anything about if there's going to be another release or an uncut BR version later on. All I can find is all the uncut vs theatrical talk, basically just stuff I already know.

But as for above, that's all it is. It's alot harder to "wait" on a movie now because you want to have the best looking version which if you have HD & Bluray players that's what you want to buy. Yet newer movies that are coming out and say it's like Harry Potter where it was released on all formats, the HD & BR versions aren't all equal in terms of special features. Granted I can understand some of the things that HD has the BR doesn't have. But we shouldn't have to go through what we did with regular DVD's when they first came out when an older movie is being ported to HD/BR.

If a movie is coming to a High Def format of an older movie that's been released multiple times on DVD with a "remasterd" picture & audio, and then all the previous special features plus a couple of newer ones, then when that movie ends up coming on either HD or BR then it should at the very least have ALL the special features of whatever was the latest release even if those are not formatted in high def, just as long as the picture and sound for the actual movie is in high def format. There's just no excuse at this point. I just think it's BS to release a HD or BR movie thats been released multiple times on standard dvd with like no special features or a very few and then re-release the movie again with more features again and even then it's not matching whatever "ultimate" version is out on standard dvd.

I can already see Friday The 13th doing the same thing all over again. Released bare bones on HD or BR, then a year later or so, re-releasing the same movie but this time with all the features that was released on all the standard dvd's and box set.. Then once all that's done and they're released singally, they'll release a box set of all the F13th movies with maybe an added feature or two.. All the while more then likely keeping the same picture/sound quality as the first version they released since that's what they basically did with those movies when it was going through its reg dvd releases. Hell, to make it worse, they'll release a slightly upgraded quality first... Then wait 6 months or so and then release the "real" high def picture/sound version, kind of like what they did with like Full Metal Jacket, and The 5th Elemant...

Gotta love movie companies and even worse, all the people that did double and triple dip on movies which told the movies companies that it was ok to do this because people would still give in and re-buy movies just cause it got an added feature, different version like rated, unrated, directors cut, and upgraded picture quality and sound with each movie.. Remember how movies were stereo/mono, and then remasterd with a 5.1 surround sound track on the next version? Instead of the high def formats doing that, they'll release it with reg DD/DTS 5.1, and then on the next one it'll have DD True HD or DTS-HD 6/7.1

Argh this frustrates me!!! lol

But back to original question.. Is this movie going to be released uncut on Bluray or even HD-DVD sometime soon?

[Esten]

Business-wise, it makes perfect sense. Make the consumer buy the same movie again and again, because they will. It's still done with regular DVD, and it's gonna be done with all future formats.

[Zombie]

It only makes sense business wise because we the consumers (I'm guilty as well) keep giving in and double/triple dipping one our favorite movies. However, I am not doing that anymore. Now that I've upgraded to HD & BR DVD's I am more picky on what I get and or don't get because they cost so much. I joined netflix so I can just rent the early release of movies that are in a high def format so I'm not sucker'd into buying the same movie later on when it's re-released. There are some movies that I will buy right away and that's usually because I'm satisfied with what it already has and don't plan on getting again because of some added features.

The one set of movies that came to mind after my post before this one that is a perfect example of something that had no excuse of not including all of the special features was the Spiderman Trilogy/Movies. I don't recall if they were released seperate other then SM3, but Pt's 1 & 2 were bare bones, no extra's other then Pt 2's "extended version" was included with Pt 2. SM3 had all the features the standard DVD had as well as the seperate BR version and was 2 disc. Parts 1 & 2 in the trilogy set on reg dvd has all the features as well from their initial release as seperate movies if not more. So that's what I mean as far as there was no excuse for them to not include all of the features that had already been released in the standard dvd formats because they already existed. Even if they were in just regular format and not high def would have still been fine.

Only reason why I did buy it though was because I ended up trading pt's 1 & 2 that I had on DVD to gamestop, and I NEVER watched the extra's on those disc's anyways. Maybe once like when I first got 'em, but other then that I wouldn't have watched them again anyways. I haven't even watched the one's for Pt 3 either. But it would have been nice to have just in case I got a wild hair up my ass to sit and watch em sometime lol However, if they do re-release the set again or seperate with all the features even if they were in a high def format I still wouldn't buy them again. The movie quality is excellant and that's all I wanted.

Other movies that I'm holding off on is the Pirates of The Carribian movies only because they were not released as a box set when this last one was released. So I'm just waiting for that to come out as a set. So in the mean time I just rented Pt 3 for now and waiting patiently for the set.

But if we the consumers would stop giving in right away and or just being satisfied with the version we originally bought then the studios would realize they can't get away with releasing mediocore releases the first go around and either put their time and effort into it's first release of a movie. If it means a movie get's pushed back a month or two longer then I'm fine with that because as it is right now I'm waiting those extra months if not longer now anyways for the better version that I would want to own, or, and I know alot of people probably wouldn't agree with this, but if they went back to "Rental Price" of movies to where they were like $100+ to buy right away and had to rent for a few months then was able to own it if they wanted to get their movie out a little faster and then release the priced to own version with all the bells and whistles then I'm good for that to.

Although, I think the best option is for people not to give in and double/triple dip no matter how much they like a movie. Had I known the Spidey set was not going to have features for 1 and 2 I would have hung onto my reg dvd's so I could have kept the extra features for that one time I felt like watching them for whatever reason, but I'm not hurt or mad over it.

Just mad about this release because there's still no reason to not have included the unrated version with this release of LFODH. I originally thought that maybe these "extra" scenes or included content wasn't in a hd format or would have thrown the picture off by "branching" in the extra scenes but I don't recall anything "extra" in it other then the language and a little extra blood splattering when someone was shot. The extra blood I didn't care for nor did I really notice or miss it if they didn't even add that because I thought the action/violence of the theatrical version was pretty brutal as it was, it's just more for the language and to me that DOES play a big factor into these movies because that's what John McClaine is about and watering him down so Teens that talk worse then him now a days could go in and watch it in a theater that makes a big deal over R rated movies.

If you read the Playboy issue that had an interview with Bruce, the way he talks about it was like it was also his idea or all for trying to make this a PG13 movie so "More/Others" could see this movie which made him to me a sell out IMO.

I just hope the rumors of making a 5th DH film arent true because I originally thought this one wouldn't have done as good as it did because of the rating for one, but also because this was the 4th movie in a series that was already way over the top to be believable to keep happening to just one guy and kind of going down hill with each movie (even though I still liked all the other movies) Also with him being bald. While I did eventually get used to it and fine with it now, just at first it didn't feel right and just seemed like a regular action movie with Bruce Willis but the character just happened to be named John McClain.

[The Tall Man]

Business-wise, it makes perfect sense. Make the consumer buy the same movie again and again, because they will. It's still done with regular DVD, and it's gonna be done with all future formats.
Okay, S-10, you really have to stop playing devil's advocate. Get your ass over here on the outrage wagon like the rest of us.

T.M.

[The Dream Master]

Alright, I finally saw the unrated cut, and while it does marginally improve the film, it still doesn't completely feel like a Die Hard flick. This is not to say it doesn't deserve the title, but I still feel like something is off. Maybe it's the fact that the story feels too big, if that makes any sense. Still, it's a fun, entertaining movie. If there's another one, I hope it manages to recapture more of the magic from the first three.

[LawgSkrak]

So it sucked cause it was PG-13? What about the unrated DVD?

Also, Lucy McClane is a police officer in the Die Hard: Vendetta video game, is she one in this movie or did they ignore that?

[Special Killa B]

Also, Lucy McClane is a police officer in the Die Hard: Vendetta video game, is she one in this movie or did they ignore that?


No she was a college student at Rutgers in LFoDH

[Special Killa B]

Ok after watching Die Hard for the 100th time on AMC I came to an idea about the current talk of a DH5 and Morgan Freeman playing the villian. Theo the terrorist is the only one left alive at the end of the movie as he is only knocked out by Argyle in the parking garage. I was thinking what if Freeman played Theo in DH5? Maybe kind of like a revenge hit on McClane?

Theo learns from Hans' mistakes he made at Nakatomi and develops into a very strong and powerful boss/terrorist? Bring back Holly Gennero-McClane, Lucy McClane and introduce John Jr. Maybe have John Jr. a rookie police officer following in pop's footsteps. And as stated above bring back Sam Jackson's Zeus character.

[TheShowstoppa]

:twitch: What the fuck did you just say?

I seriously thought this was for discussion of the 4th movie. (Nevermind. Job was done before me.)

[Deathscythe]

So I finally watched Live Free or Die Hard uncut, and I didn't care for it. I agree that it was too over the top.

Oh well, at least I still have the two John McTiernan films.

[Lance Lives]

I thought this was decent. It didn't compare to the classic original of course but it was worth a watch, I even didn't mind Justin Long's character (I was really afraid he'd ruin it for me).

[The Tall Man]

I don't get the constant fellating of the original Die Hard. It's a decent flick, but it's not godly the way a lot of folks seem to regard it.

"Die Hard With a Vengenace" is so much more fun, not to mention less dull (whenever Bruce isn't on screen in 1, I start yawning).

T.M.

[Esten]

The original the best?

Die Harder 4L

[Deathscythe]

"Die Hard With a Vengenace" is so much more fun, not to mention less dull (whenever Bruce isn't on screen in 1, I start yawning).

T.M.

Aww come on, no love for Alan Rickman or Reginald VelJohnson?:(

[The Tall Man]

Death, their very presence doesn't make nor break the film. I mean VelJohnson's in 2, and well...

Sorry, S-10

T.M.

[The Dream Master]

Better apologize to Renny while you're at it, Tally.

And it should be an explosive apology at that.

[Deathscythe]

To be honest, how Tall Man feels about Die Hard 1 is how I felt about Die Hard 2.

But anyway, speaking of Harlin, is The Long Kiss Goodnight worth checking out? I mean, you go wrong with Samuel Jackson + Shane Back.

[Esten]

Long Kiss is Renny Harlin's Citizen Kane.

[Deathscythe]

Long Kiss is Renny Harlin's Citizen Kane.

Nice!

Anyway, its a shame McTiernan is always in jail now. I mean, this guy made the first Predator, Die Hard, and Jack Ryan film all in a row. Legendary in my books.

[Lance Lives]

Long Kiss Goodnight kicks ass dude. Sam Jackson being funny as hell and over the top action makes for a good flick in my opinion.

[TheShowstoppa]

Long Kiss Goodnight kicks ass dude. Sam Jackson being funny as hell and over the top action makes for a good flick in my opinion.

Then why does everyone have a conflict with LFoDH? It was probably my favorite of the Die Hards (other than 1) and it was greatly over-the-top and had some really good moments.

[The Dream Master]

I think the fact that it was too over the top is something a lot of people have against Live Free or Die Hard. In the first three, McClane felt like a normal guy who was barely surviving by the skin of his teeth; in part 4, he's almost like Superman.

Don't get me wrong, though: I still enjoyed the hell out of it, and would welcome a new one in a heartbeat.

[Deathscythe]

That, and there is no Alan Rickman/Jeremy Irons.

[The Dream Master]

It appears that every even-numbered Die Hard film is fated to have dull villians, I'm afraid. Maybe there's another long lost Gruber brother out there that can be in part 5. ;)

[Deathscythe]

And don't forget the black sidekick.

[The Tall Man]

I think the fact that it was too over the top is something a lot of people have against Live Free or Die Hard. In the first three, McClane felt like a normal guy who was barely surviving by the skin of his teeth; in part 4, he's almost like Superman.
I thought McClane was easily the most "normal" he'd been since the original movie in DH4. Superman doesn't have family problems nor is he surly as hell. DH2 is the one where he seemed like Superman. The escape hatch stunt, anyone?

That, and there is no Alan Rickman/Jeremy Irons.
So John McClane has to be up against German Terrorists? What, is McClane the long lost realtive of Indiana Jones?

T.M.

[The Dream Master]

I thought McClane was easily the most "normal" he'd been since the original movie in DH4. Superman doesn't have family problems nor is he surly as hell. DH2 is the one where he seemed like Superman. The escape hatch stunt, anyone?


In terms of characterization, McClane was spot on and in line with the previous films. The escape hatch in part two is over the top, but I don't know if it compares to the truck/fighter jet sequence in part 4. Still, if over-the-top action that still entertained the hell out of me is the only complaint I can make about a flick, then it can't be that bad.

[TalbotLives]

I think the fact that it was too over the top is something a lot of people have against Live Free or Die Hard. In the first three, McClane felt like a normal guy who was barely surviving by the skin of his teeth; in part 4, he's almost like Superman.

That pretty much sums up my feelings on part 4. It went way too far enough times that I didn't really have the same emotional investment in John McClane that I had in the first three Die Hards. It's definitely a fun movie, though, and I enjoyed it enough to buy it when it came out...it just seemed less like a Die Hard movie and more like a comic book movie to me.

[Deathscythe]

So John McClane has to be up against German Terrorists? What, is McClane the long lost realtive of Indiana Jones?

T.M.

Nope, just didn't find memorable villains in Die Hard 2 & 4. I'm pretty sure they can make a great villian that isn't a german terrorists.

[Lance Lives]

Then why does everyone have a conflict with LFoDH? It was probably my favorite of the Die Hards (other than 1) and it was greatly over-the-top and had some really good moments.

I don't know man, I said I pretty much enjoyed it. Had Sam Jackson been in there being funny, it would've been even better:p

[The Tall Man]

DM, you know, I honestly forgot about the whole jet/truck thing in DH4. Seriously. I'd totally spaced on it. And yep, you're right about that shit. I don't know what they were thinking. I'd have had a heart attack during the middle of that if I had to attempt it.

Death, I thought that the bad guy in 4 was particularly memorable because I have an inherent distaste for computer hackers and those fuckers who screw with people over cyberspace just for the hell of it. It was the first time of the series I truly felt that McClane was an American hero instead of just an everyday normal hero.

T.M.

[Lance Lives]

After recently re-watching the whole series, I have to say that this one is my least favorite. TM said that this movie makes McClane an American Hero, which is fine I guess, but I prefer a down and out, let's get this over with McClane. After watching part 3 again, I also hate that John and Holly didn't get back together.