Friday the 13th, Part VIII: Jason Takes Manhattan

[BlakeTyner]

C'mon kids, let's take a boat ride and try to avoid the toxic waste sewer flush!

~BT

[James M]

Even though this is one of the black sheep of the series, I've always really liked it for some reason. It's just a really fun movie in my opinion. I get more enjoyment out of watching this than any of the other post-New Beginning films. Sure, we were led to believe more would be in New York, but the budget restricted the director. I still think it's a fun film.

[Lammert]

JTM is could have been better, even the things on the boat...
I still enjoy it every now and then.

A few cons and pros:

+ Jason stalks more
+ Jason walking trough doors and hitting the punks radio
+ The rooftop fight, it's silly fun.. but the later F13's are like that anyway.


- it lacks gore
- the Renny met Jason in the past story
- all those flashbacks
- a longer scene in NYC would do the title more justice... but I heared they couldn't do that
becuase of the budget.
- Jason's looks are ok, but its bad that it doesn't match Part7's style(there are to many errors in this film).

[sCabbOy]

This movie was great until the boat sank. I thought the atmosphere on the boat was great, especially the opening scene- the little boat.

[CanadianFonzie]

the thing I always liked about this is it's the first FT13 to not be feature at Crystal Lake...technically at the beginning they were headed towards Crystal Lake...but they actually never made it

I remember at first I'd always end up watching this movie on tv, and I'd aaaalways fall asleep, for no reason, I mean I wasn't bored or nothing...I've just been known to fall asleep watching movies, but than years later (4 years ago) I finally taped it and watched all of it...now I have the dvd and I really love this film

[Autobotsdie]

But it really wasn't filmed in NY but in Vancouver.

[CanadianFonzie]

was it really?:eek:, wow I love this movie now:D

[MaDMaNMaRz]

I actually really enjoy the first half of the movie.....when they are on the boat. But when they finally get off the boat, the movie turns into a HUGE turd.

[CampNewBlood]

I actually really enjoy the first half of the movie.....when they are on the boat. But when they finally get off the boat, the movie turns into a HUGE turd.

I agree. The movie should be called Jason Takes A Cruise. But the first half of the movie IS much better than the last half.

[sCabbOy]

Establishing shots were shot in NYC though.

[Shoesalesman]

I thought the movie had a great balance between the boat and the city. The scene in the restaurant where Ken Kirzinger comes out from behind the counter and approaches Jason is one of my favorite scenes. Ken's size is pretty intimidating.

[CanadianFonzie]

kind of cool how he winded up playing Jason eventually, even if it was for a (IMO) crappy installment

[Nancy Thompson]

JTM was not good but it was not bad either.

[CanadianFonzie]

alot of people hate it, I really like it, sure it's probably my 2nd least favourite, but it's not far in the chain from the next movie that I like (part 7)

[Shoesalesman]

I saw this one in the theater and the scenes where the boat's sinking and everyone bails had me on the edge of my seat. Those horn blasts were like shards of glass in my ears!! :shush:

I kind of have a phobia of huge ships that sink. Call me crazy, I guess. :duh:

[Autobotsdie]

my question is why didn't jason attack the life boat they escaped in? He would've had them where he wanted and no one would be there to rescue them.

[Utellme]

Cause then the movie would of only been 1 hour long i guess.

[Fan of Freddy]

The biggest problem with this entry is Paramount itself. They screwed the production in a sense. Rob Hadden had a grand vision for this movie and Paramount refused to give him the budget he needed to do it. I think that if he were allowed to shoot it as he wished, with over half the film taking place in New York, it would have been the best film in the series to that point.

[Utellme]

I wish more could of been done with Jason turning back into a lil boy ,of course they totally ignore it in part 9

[Autobotsdie]

One thing that ticks me off is that they never explain how Jason got back to crystal lake from manhaten in part 9.

[Utellme]

That also ,part 9 could of been better they really screwed up the continuity.

[sCabbOy]

That's why I still say Jason should have NEVER been shown in the movie. Everyone could have been assuming it was him, but never really showing if it was or not. They could have done so much more with the story that way. It would have been another "A New Beginning"... fans would have been mad with NO Jason, but fuck it.

Sorry, this was meant for another thread.

[Autobotsdie]

Yeah people would've been mad with no Jason just like people were mad when Michael not showing up in part 3 of Halloween.

[Fan of Freddy]

If they had started JGTH where this one left off, it would have been simple to write a good sequel and still keep the aspects like body jumping, etc. Let's think about it. Here we have Jason getting toasted in a flood of toxic sewage. His body is gone. That could have been the set up for the intro of the hellbaby. The problem with JGTH was that it wasn't originally about Jason and New Line made Cunningham add him in. So of course it's not going to explain anything about Jason suddenly being back in action. It left the continuity cold.

[Autobotsdie]

Which raises the question I mentioned earlier in that how did he get back to the camp from manhatten? Did he wash out to sea and miracously end up at the camp or what?

[DavidDunn]

I always imagined that Jason would've revived himself a little before dawn, staggered out of the sewer to either the harbor or a railroad, and hobo-style hitched a ride on a boat or a train en route to New Jersey, jumping ship near the Wessex county area, then walking back the rest of the way through the wooded areas until reaching the camp. I mean, it would be logical. He hitched a ride on a boat to get to Manhattan, and he'd hitch one back, only he'd be too weak to attempt murdering anyone on the way there.

[Fan of Freddy]

Well, since it's not explained it's really up to the viewer. Most like to think he was washed out to sea and his appearance in JGTH is due to the acid. Or you could say that his body was destroyed and the Hellbaby was let loose, gradually making it's way back to Crystal Lake via a new host. I like to think that, the way it turned out, the body he has at the beginning of JGTH is a host nearing the end of the decay process all the hosts seem to go through.

[Autobotsdie]

So its more of an Species type of movie if you look at it like that or Aliens.

[Dave Dunwoody]

Or you could say that his body was destroyed and the Hellbaby was let loose, gradually making it's way back to Crystal Lake via a new host. I like to think that, the way it turned out, the body he has at the beginning of JGTH is a host nearing the end of the decay process all the hosts seem to go through.

Exactly what I believe. The bulkier, bloated look of JGTH, to me, is a possessed host from NYC who has just about fallen apart.

If that's true, it's interesting that Jason returns in that form when he's reborn through Diana; but I think he just chose to revert to the last form in which he was masked. And maybe returning in that form was an act of defiance, seeing how the FBI blew it to smithereens.

It takes a generous amount of speculation on the fan's part to square all this away, but I think it works.

[CampNewBlood]

These are some great theories guys. I have never put it in that perspective before. These are really good ideas.

Hmmm.......very interesting indeed and that could very well work.

[Lammert]

One of my favorite scenes is were Jason is melting at the end... and then we see the lightning hitting the statue of liberty.
To me, when I saw this.. this was Jason's demise for me... he melted all the way till there was nothing left.

[CampNewBlood]

That's kinda what I thought before too. When the lightning strikes the Statue of Liberty....it was kinda like the end of Jason. :cry:

I still have yet to watch/listen to the commentary on JTM. I have watched/listened to the Part 3, 6 and 7 commentaries.

[SmiTheReeNs*]

I concur with you guys there..very symbolic lightin that bashed the statue of liberty just right after jason melts i mean is he dead? no more jason movies? then we got JGTH yea hes dead haha

[Shoesalesman]

Which raises the question I mentioned earlier in that how did he get back to the camp from manhatten? Did he wash out to sea and miracously end up at the camp or what?

That's a loooong walk, methinks.

[Rich]

How did Jason get back to Crystal Lake from New York? I think he came back the same way he went.

The Jason in the beginning of Jason Goes to Hell actually being a host is an interesting concept, but a little bit of a stretch. Who knows though? It is workable as a story elelemt.

In Jason X, when Jason's body falls on the machete and it magically turns on, I have always thought that since Jason's head was blown up, the heart creature crawled out of the machine and crawled up on the table (not knowing what it was doing) stepped on something that activated the machine, saw all kinds of things happening and went back to it's body.

[The Tall Man]

I always imagined that Jason would've revived himself a little before dawn, staggered out of the sewer to either the harbor or a railroad, and hobo-style hitched a ride on a boat or a train en route to New Jersey, jumping ship near the Wessex county area, then walking back the rest of the way through the wooded areas until reaching the camp. I mean, it would be logical. He hitched a ride on a boat to get to Manhattan, and he'd hitch one back, only he'd be too weak to attempt murdering anyone on the way there.
David, this is what I'd always imagined as well... but I will add this: I believe Jason's clothes melted off him and between NYC and NJ, he encountered a federal guard, killed him, and took his clothes since Jason wears a federal guard's uniform in JGTH.

I recommend everyone to read Hedden's Friday 8 script. It's much better than the final movie and explains that toxic waste washes out in the sewers once a month on the 13th... not every friggin' night.

It also features a shot of Jason walking on the bottom of the ocean to NYC. Which is DAMNED awesome.

T.M.

[Wheatjedi]

You've captured my interest. Where can we go to read Hedden's Part VIII script?

[The Tall Man]

Wheat, it was on the site.

T.M.

[Rich]

I don't remember those scripts being their on the old site. Is that something that Dusk added?

[Dave Dunwoody]

They've been there. Blake transcribed the Part VIII script himself and added it to the site. Must've been a pain in the ass.

[Wheatjedi]

Wheat, it was on the site.

T.M.

Ah! Mucho gracias! I think the script section was one of the few places I never checked out. Thanks for the heads-up! :)

[CampNewBlood]

I never checked that out either. Cool.

[Utellme]

It also features a shot of Jason walking on the bottom of the ocean to NYC. Which is DAMNED awesome.

T.M.[/QUOTE]
Where can this pic of Jason walking on ocean floor be found ?

[Autobotsdie]

Now thats would've been sweet if they left that in the movie.

[Darth Sinister]

That's a loooong walk, methinks.

Why not. He walked from Ohio back to Crystal Lake in a week in both JGTH and I'm betting FvsJ.

I don't think that was a possessed body for Jason. That was his real form after the disfigurement. He just got a new set of clothes along the way.

[El Rooto]

Stupid as hell, but fun to watch once in a while.

[ChoKo]

After seeing what New Line has done with the series, I now appreciate JTM a lot more than I used to. I used to not like it much, but now I can actually sit down and enjoy it.

[Violent VictiM]

My friend and I have had this constant debate as to which is the best Friday the 13th; 3 or 8. Well, we gathered some of our friends who haven't seen either movie and watched them back to back. I even let him go first so he couldn't say, "oh, well they were just tired from watching a whole movie already." We watched both, and it was unanimous; Part 8 sucks so much balls.

The acting is cheesy, the kills are sub par, and the whole concept makes me want to punch Paramount in the face. The music?! Oh muh gawd, so bad. They kidnap Rennie, and force her to do Heroin? Wow. Real good writing there. It just pains me to even write about this film, but it had to be said.

Oh, and Jason screaming? :confused:

[Utellme]

New Line is not the problem Paramount was getting tired of the movies making less and less money.New Line does more for there horror movies then Paramount ever did.

Just look at the dvd releases for example Paramount gives us bare bones Jason dvds then they give us a half ass box set.While New Line for JGTH,JX,FvsJ dvds are loaded with extras.

[ChoKo]

Just look at the dvd releases for example Paramount gives us bare bones Jason dvds then they give us a half ass box set.While New Line for JGTH,JX,FvsJ dvds are loaded with extras.

I'd rather have good films on barebones DVD's (Paramount) than shitty films on feature-laden DVD's (New Line).

[Deathscythe]

I liked all the New Line movies more than Jason Takes Manhattan.

[ChoKo]

I liked all the New Line movies more than Jason Takes Manhattan.

You're entitled to your opinion.

I like JTM more than all of the New Line Jason flicks. Hell, I'd rather be kicked in the balls than watch FVJ or Jason X again. (It's pretty much the same experience.) :duh:

[NETRA]

I'd rather be kicked in the balls than watch FVJ or Jason X again.

Wow.

After seeing what New Line has done with the series, I now appreciate JTM a lot more than I used to.

By comparrison, I agree with you. It's funny how some sucky movies can make other sucky movies look less sucky.

[Utellme]

Well it was either gonna be Paramount with the franchise making less and less and getting bad F13th's and bare bones dvds.

Or New Line who at least back there horror movies promote it etc make bad F13th's and a dvd with extras.

I don't think it matters either way JTM would on been the same movie if New Line did it and vise versa if JGTH was made by Paramount it would of been the same film.

I can care less who makes them i put them in to watch the movie not the movie company.Both company's have there pros and cons.

[Nancy Thompson]

You know i think i would have like JTM more if they actally show more of them in New york then on a boat. Also if jason killed the Teacher early on then i would really loved the movie ;)

[Shoesalesman]

I definitely like part 8 over the New Line movies, but the New Line ones are pretty good too. And I'd choose Jason X and FVJ over a thud in the nuts as well.

[ChoKo]

And I'd choose Jason X and FVJ over a thud in the nuts as well.

What about a slam in the car door? :p

[Autobotsdie]

Or hitting you thumb with a hammer.

[The Tall Man]

I'll take Fridays 9-11 over all the punishment listed above... including Friday 8.

T.M.

[Deathscythe]

Same here The Tall Man.

[Utellme]

It also features a shot of Jason walking on the bottom of the ocean to NYC. Which is DAMNED awesome.

T.M.
Where can this pic of Jason walking on ocean floor be found ?[/QUOTE]
Tall Man where can this pic be found ?

[Darth Sinister]

You're entitled to your opinion.

I like JTM more than all of the New Line Jason flicks. Hell, I'd rather be kicked in the balls than watch FVJ or Jason X again. (It's pretty much the same experience.) :duh:

*kicks Drifter in the balls repeatedly.*

:p

[The Tall Man]

Utellme, there's no picture. It's a script.

T.M.

[Autobotsdie]

Where can this pic of Jason walking on ocean floor be found ?
Tall Man where can this pic be found ?[/QUOTE]

I wish they would have left this in. But I kinda see why they didn't because when FvJ came out they showed that Jason was afraid of the water.

[The Tall Man]

Autobots, only in dreams where his subconscious lies. In reality, Jason doesn't give a shit about water (they show this in FvsJ too).

T.M.

[M.I.A.]

As I mentioned in the part VII thread, I was never fond of the Zombie Jason direction. Having said that, this film had potential but just didn't go anywhere. The fact not much time is spent in NY doesn't really bother me. What bothers me is how this was(in my opinion) the first "MTV movie". It was packaged all nice and neat for the little kiddies to be able to come to theatres in droves. The kills are practically G rated. They dont take full advantage of the boat scenes(could have created a killer claustrophobic environment with better talent). The NY scenes are pure cheese, and that ending is probably the worst ending in horror film history.

[Deathscythe]

I didn't like how instead of massacring Manhattan Jason kept on chasing Rennie and Sean. I remember one scene where some thugs challenge him and Jason just takes his mask off to scare them away and leaves.

[SmiTheReeNs*]

Yea that bothered me too..he shoulda butchered everybody that was in his path including them punks. He shoulda did some damage in the diner seen as well.

[Autobotsdie]

Yeah but like someone said since it was supposed to be in New york no one really notices anyone because nobody seems to care because there are so many freaks in New York.

[simonthekillerewok]

I preferred this movie to Jason X and Jason Goes Hell, I just thought it was interesting to see Jason in Manhattan even though he doesn't kill every passer by. It had something fresh about it that was sadly copied in Jason X with the location changing.

[Nancy Thompson]

I take JGTH over part 8 but i take part 8 over Jason X

[Deathscythe]

I prefer JGTH and JX over this.

[Germaniac]

How can you even compare "Jason takes a boat to Manhattan" to movies like Jason X, JGTH and FvsJ? JTM almost killed the franchise (it surely killed the interest Paramount had in the franchise).
People complain that New York was only featured 15 minutes in FvsJ (and that we only see Jason in dark alleys). IMO that´s not the problem ... the movie might have been good if the rest of the movie (Jason on the ship) was actually good. But it just stank from start to finish, even if the title wasn´t misleading. The characters were flat and annoying, the cinematagrophy was a mess, the actors were as talentless as a piece of wood, the effects were laughable. Look at Suzy´s dead body, Miles impalement, the pillow behind the axe wound of the deckhand, Julius´decapitation, Jason´s outfit/makeup! Ridiculous! New York´s canalisation gets flooded with toxic waste every night? I have never been to New York but I really find that hard to believe! Happy endings are okay ... but it´s a bit hard to swallow that a.) the annoying dog finds Rennie and Sean after getting lost in the ig Aplle and b.) Rennie and Sean rather visit the Satue of Liberty thatn going to the police and report the mass-murder (their calssmaes, parents/uncles were just killed for god´s sake!). JTM features the worst Jason-performance ever (IMO). Hodder was just an generic, evil monster thats lacks everything that made Jason so interesting) in this one.
JM makes me almost ashamed to be a F13th-fan! Sure, ANB sucked as well (the cinematagrophy, the acting and the dialouge were nearly as bad as JTM´s), but at least that one had some supense and some twists.
I can hardly believe that anyone prefers this mess over the New Line movies!
JGTH might not have been a good F13th movie (in the terms of the slasher rules) but at least it was a good movie on his own! And Jason X and FvsJ are undoubtfully among the best entries in the saga, so why compare them to JTM?

[Jigsaw]

IMO, this movie marked the beginning of F13's downward spiral. The movie was ridiculous cheap and cheesy even by the standards of the series, the humor was too overdone and over-the-top, some parts are absolutely ridiculous and the continuity with the rest of the series is terrible (not that it wasn't ever screwy to begin with, but at least the first seven Fridays had fairly consistant continuity. Here though...). The ending was also awful and Jason's teleporting, need I say more?

In all fairness though, I don't really blame Rob Hedden for this disaster, I blame Paramount. They wouldn't give him the budget that he needed to realize his original vision for the movie, and Hedden basically ended up making a movie that wasn't the same movie he had in his head.

[CanadianFonzie]

it may have marked the beginning of the end, but IMO it was the last FT13 to not be cheesy with the kills, sure the story line was a little out there, I don't completely mind that, it still had some awsome deaths and it was the last movie to not seem to be mocking the kills like some parts in Jason X, and it didn't have the rediculously fake looking blood like in Freddy vs. Jason

[NETRA]

In all fairness though, I don't really blame Rob Hedden for this disaster, I blame Paramount. They wouldn't give him the budget that he needed to realize his original vision

Rob seems like a really nice guy. I enjoy reading interviews with him. So I'm eager to agree with you that it wasn't his fault simply out of affection for him. He says that Paramount execs seemed disinterested. When he'd go to them with questions or concerns, they basically blew him off... "Just do whatever."

Without the proper budget or studio support, it's easy to see why the movie wasn't a towering achievement. Yet, I assume the makers of the earlier sequels encountered the same obstacles... And yet they came away with better movies (in my opinion). So perhaps this is not a valid excuse.

[Jigsaw]

I somewhat agree. However, the fact that Paramount wouldn't give him the budget that he needed for what he wrote in the original script (as well as the obvious rushed shooting schedule and Paramount not willing to take a year off to allow the movie to be refined) were all major factors in Rob basically making the movie that wasn't the same one he had in his mind. That, and the fact that his limited budget and shooting schedule basically forced him to size down so much of his original concept for the film.

[Darth Sinister]

I'm sorry, but no amount of money is going to change the fact that he script was crap. There were and are too many problems. From how he writes the origin to the asinine plot of Jason being a good boy trapped in a body of evil.

[The Tall Man]

I liked the original screenplay for Part 8, actually.

T.M.

[Jigsaw]

Is there a link to Hedden's original script where all of the New York stuff was written? I don't think it's linked on the F13 site.

[CanadianFonzie]

what was the original script like? why was it better?

[Jigsaw]

The original script had the majority of JTM take place in New York. Scenes at the Brooklyn Bridge, Madison Square Garden, The Empire State Building and The Statue Of Liberty were written. Due to budget issues though, much of the script was scaled down to the point where New York was hardly in the film at all.

[The Tall Man]

I actually meant that I liked the script they shot the film from. It was much more intelligent and creepy than the film turned out (sewers drain out with toxic waste every 13th of a month).

T.M.

[SmiTheReeNs*]

The original script had the majority of JTM take place in New York. Scenes at the Brooklyn Bridge, Madison Square Garden, The Empire State Building and The Statue Of Liberty were written. Due to budget issues though, much of the script was scaled down to the point where New York was hardly in the film at all.

Wow if they stuck to the original script we coulda seen one of the best Friday installments, a better one then what "the budget" gave us. IMO "the budget was more of a killer then Jason was:meh:

[Darth Sinister]

Budget is one thing, like I said. But this whole bullshit story with Jason and Renee was just bad.

[Jigsaw]

I agree that Hedden should've axed the whole subplot with Rennie and Jason.

I think it would've been cool if they would've found a way to squeeze in a subplot involving the Mafia and having Jason massacre them. I remember reading on another message board, where a fan said a good alternate idea for JTM would've been for Jason to kill a high-ranking mobster when he arrived in Manhattan and for the Mafia to hunt him down for the kill, and from there it erupts into the madness. That would've been very cool IMO.

[Deathscythe]

Hell yes, Jason shoulda killed everyone in sight in Manhattan. I wouldn't seeing him take down the mafia.

[Jigsaw]

I think it would've been a nice change of pace from the usual killing teens formula but it still would've been familiar with Jason doing what he does best.

[Scarecrow]

As ever, my main problem is the utterly stupid ending.

All our friends have been brutally murdered, hundreds of people have died, including a teacher who was like a mother to me. A monster stalked and killed us, we've been drugged and beaten and almost drowned in toxic waste, the authorities have no idea what happened to the boat or any survivors. We're barely alive by the skin of our teeth and... oh look, our dogs still alive! Yay! Let's go sightseeing!


What. The. Hell.


- Scarecrow

[Jigsaw]

I agree, the ending to this movie, ugh :X

[Deathscythe]

I also agree, Jason Takes Manhattan has the worst ending in the whole series imo.

[Jigsaw]

Seriously, what was Hedden thinking when he wrote the ending? I usually defend him even though JTM is kind of crappy IMO, because of the obvious studio problems he had, but with the ending...

[Darth Sinister]

The final scene, that was probably his attempt at the kinda of last second shock of the early films. It didn't work. And how Jason was defeated, that was just poor. The only good thing is Kane throwing up water on cue.

[Kane Lives]

The little boy being all that was left of Jason at the end was what killed Jason's demise for me. Sure, the toxic waste was a little too convenient, but I thought it was more inventive than chaining him to the bottom of the lake in the last two films. I would have preferred the toxic waste simply eaten Jason alive, rather than implying it peeled away the monster, leaving the scared little boy that was trapped inside. :meh:


I don't dislike this film. I've actually started to kind of like it over the years. (With the exception of Young Jason with a full head of hair. C'mon, Rob! lol)

I'm probably the only fan who feels the way the film ended up being is actually better than the way it was originally intended.

I've always been content with the Manhattan aspect of the film. I've always liked that basically only the final act took place there, and we got a lot more of the traditional F13th stalking formula on the boat. I guess it stems from the fact that I didn't really like the idea of sending Jason to Manhattan anyway.

[Utellme]

The little boy being all that was left of Jason at the end was what killed Jason's demise for me. Sure, the toxic waste was a little too convenient, but I thought it was more inventive than chaining him to the bottom of the lake in the last two films. I would have preferred the toxic waste simply eaten Jason alive, rather than implying it peeled away the monster, leaving the scared little boy that was trapped inside.


I don't dislike this film. I've actually started to kind of like it over the years. (With the exception of Young Jason with a full head of hair. C'mon, Rob! lol)

I feel the same way and then in JGTH they totally ignore JTM.Just cause it didn't do good at the box office don't mean they had to ignore it.But then again with Jason being back to a little boy maybe they had to ignore it cause where could they go with that ?

[Deathscythe]

I still think Jason turning back into a kid was Rennie's hallucination, but to each his own.

[Utellme]

I still think Jason turning back into a kid was Rennie's hallucination, but to each his own.
Well then that would help me alot to deal with it.

[Shoesalesman]

I still think Jason turning back into a kid was Rennie's hallucination, but to each his own.

Sounds good to me. A hallucination wraps it up nicely.

[Scarecrow]

Which is all fine and a nice bit of fan-continuity BUT still leaves us with the awful very end. At leats most of the others end with the police arriving at Crystal Lake to deal with the survivors, thus at least bringing an element of 'realism' in the scenario.


- Scarecrow

[Joshg]

I just watched Parts 6-9 with a friend of mine. Movie Marathon! Woo! Surprisingly to me, Part VIII was her favorite of these four. Hmm, she still hasn't seen Jason X or FvJ.

So, basically, here's my estimation of her favorite Fridays. I've grouped them, not listed, because I wouldn't know the exact order:

-Part 3
-Part 5, she loved Reggie the Reckless!
-Part 2
...
-Part 8
-Part 1
-Part 6
-Part 4
...
-Part 7
...
-Part 9, she didn't hate. But it was her least favorite.

[Darth Sinister]

Which is all fine and a nice bit of fan-continuity BUT still leaves us with the awful very end. At leats most of the others end with the police arriving at Crystal Lake to deal with the survivors, thus at least bringing an element of 'realism' in the scenario.


- Scarecrow

It's not just the ending, it's everything. The whole concept hinges on the fact that Jason was a normal kid who became evil, while living at the bottom of the lake for so many years before coming out and killing as a full grown adult. It flies in the face of the fact that Jason was not normal to begin with and all indications in the second film, he was alive and living in his crapshack. It's a poor story by Hedden who didn't research things as carefully as he should've or he just didn't care.

[Patrick]

This one was so.....fake. There obviously wasn't ANY time put into the script. Not to mention the cheesy fake effects that I coulda done better here at home. The kid that has a normal face at the beginning is ridiculous....seeing how in the first one his face was already disfigured BEFORE he drowns...you can see it in Pamela's recollection to Alice...when he starts to go under the water.

JTM is an OK movie for (use the term loosely) "fun"...but nothing beyond that. Aside from JGTH, it is the weakest entry in the series.

[sCabbOy]

I thought the beginning of JTM was great, even most of the boat ride was good but there were some HORRIBLE parts of the movie as you pointed out.

[JVY2K]

This one was so.....fake. There obviously wasn't ANY time put into the script. Not to mention the cheesy fake effects that I coulda done better here at home. The kid that has a normal face at the beginning is ridiculous....seeing how in the first one his face was already disfigured BEFORE he drowns...you can see it in Pamela's recollection to Alice...when he starts to go under the water.

JTM is an OK movie for (use the term loosely) "fun"...but nothing beyond that. Aside from JGTH, it is the weakest entry in the series.

The script is actually pretty good. It's the movie that doesn't live up to it. Same with JX. Amazing script, movie not so much. The script is rarely if ever the reason a movie fails.

And the kid in the beginning is basically Jim's interpretation of Jason. He wouldn't have known Jason was deformed. That's how I excuse that little bit. The kid in Rennie's hallucinations is deformed, so it's not like Rob Hedden just ignored the fact that Jason was deformed...

I love this movie. The Friday's are not supposed to be masterpieces and with a title like "Jason Takes Manhattan" you can't expect anything BUT cheese.

[nottidelterrore]

My least favourite entry in the series but it has its moments. The opening is pretty decent overall. Then it's just downhill from there. And the obvious: Jason being on a ship for 80 minutes & being in Manhattan for 20. It was great seeing those junkies get it. The ones that drugged & were going to harm Rennie.

Jason must've grown gloves while being underwater all that time.

[sCabbOy]

He should have been on the boat the entire movie if you asked me. The boat scenes had great moments, but man after the boat sank the movie took a shit.

[Deathscythe]

Yeah the boat scenes are better than the Manhattan scenes, both suck IMO through.

[Chex]

I still think Jason turning back into a kid was Rennie's hallucination, but to each his own.

That's what I've always chalked that up to as well.

[Joe Strummer]

I haven't seen the movie in a while, but did rennie get shot up with heroin before being saved by Jason from being raped? Maybe that's how she saw Jason turn into a kid in the sewers. I don't know, it's been awhile-can't remember if she got shot up or not.

[sCabbOy]

Yeah she was shot up, but for some reason recovered pretty fast and easy.

[Rich]

She was still blurry eyed when Sean found her, but when Jason found them maybe her adrenaline over powered the substance. Maybe her will to survive was just too strong. This was not the best Friday movie by any stretch, but I do think that Rennie was a very strong character.

[sCabbOy]

Usually first time users have it the worst. They usually get really sick and vomit for hours and pass out. I don't think adrenaline would counteract it unless someone was basically on the verge of being scared to death. But, Epinephrine is used to counteract drug overdoses and Epinephrine is basically synthetic adrenaline.

[Rich]

Well, I think being chased (in NYC where you don't know when or where the next mugger will strike) by a super natural monster who wants you dead constitutes being scared to death. :)

[sCabbOy]

In NYC's defense, haha, NYC really isn't that bad but I guess you have a point.

[Rich]

I know it isn't, but to someone who has never been their, it's rep makes it a very scary kind of place.

[El Rooto]

I want to go to NYC to see the toxic waste barrels that are lying around.

[sCabbOy]

It's reputation comes from how it was 25 years ago though. It's a really nice place and contrary to popular belief you can walk around the streets and live to tell about it.

Per capita, the city I live in has a worse crime rate.

[The Tall Man]

Machete, that's more of a New Jersey kind of thing. ;)

T.M.

[El Rooto]

"You mean the movie LIED?"

[sCabbOy]

Flat out lied :)

Of course they played off the negative stereotypes for the movie.

[The New Blood]

NYC is awesome and pretty much nothing like its shown in this movie.

Oh and the effects of the drugs they show in this movie are completely inacurate. Renny would have not seen the young Jason or had any of those other effects they showed from a shot of heroine(not a hallucinogen at all). She probably would have just stayed on that couch and not even care about getting raped cuz she'd be feeling so incredibly good.lol

[El Rooto]

I didn't think she was seeing young Jason because she was shot up on heroin.

[The New Blood]

I didn't think she was seeing young Jason because she was shot up on heroin.

Someone in this thread said they did, thats why I said that. Thats what I used to think btw.

[James M]

I can see why some don't like it, but I personally love Jason Takes Manhattan. I think I prefer it over The New Blood and every entry that came after JTM. There's just something about it that gives me a warm feeling, and I find it a fun flick. Maybe it's because it takes me back to the good old days and having fun seeing it countless times on USA Network as a young one. Besides that, there is a lot going on, with the cruise and later in New York. It's a pretty adventurous flick.

[Rich]

JTM was better then the New Line movies. I just can not get past Jason with a full set of hair and no disfiguration during the drowning. They should have just recycled footage from Part 1, and then put the money they used into the new drowning sequence into getting more New York footage. To me, that would have made a hell of a lot more sense.

As far as New York goes, Rudy may have cleaned it up a hell of a lot, but there are still parts of it that you DO NOT want to be, especially at night...especially if you are the wrong skin color. There are places like that everywhere though so it isn't like it is exclusive to NY.

[Deathscythe]

Jason Takes Manhattan bored me to death, I honestly think its the worst in the series.

[sCabbOy]

The NLC movies were shit and JTM is easily better than any of them.

[Joshg]

I agree scab. Even the second half of the film is better than JGTH, FvJ, and JX.

[Deathscythe]

Well thats your opinion. At least JGTH had Creighton Duke, I don't see one redeeming quality of JTM.

[nottidelterrore]

I like Jason Goes to Hell slightly better than Jason Takes Manhattan but both are on the low-end of the series.

[Rich]

Jason Goes to Hell was probably the better made movie. I guess I have to agree with that. The one thing Jason Goes to Hell will always have going for it is that it was the one with "real" characters and not human sheep and it was the one with the balls to be different.

[Kane Lives]

I like JTM much better than Jason X or FVJ.

[Joshg]

True, it is an opinion. IMO, JTM was edited better than JGTH. JGTH is the worst edited film of the series IMO.
And JGTH brought something new to the series, instead of dull and unthreatening zombie slasher, such as 6 and 7.
But I prefer JTM, because up until after Kelly Hu's death, it was a pretty good movie.

[sCabbOy]

Production wise JGTH was better made, but Hell Uwe Boll's Alone In The Dark was a well produced movie, haha, you see where I am going?

I like watching JGTH more than JTM... I like JGTH aside from the scenes with Jason. The movie would have been so much better if it was based on someone being possessed by Jason and never showing him. The body hopping was very Cronenberg and I loved it.... but we have to be constantly reminded in the movie that it is a "Jason" movie and it spoils it for me.


As forJTM, the way that movie starts off was great. Once Jason makes it to the boat it gets a little corny and bland, but is still acceptable.

I rarely watch either movie though.

[Darth Sinister]

I don't think Renee was affected by the heroin when she saw young Jason at the end, because she was seeing him long before she was drugged. In fact, as the film progresses, he changes from normal looking to the monsterous deformed kid that we see when she remembers why she's afraid of the water. No, Hedden was going for something different, but it wasn't working.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

I like watching JGTH more than JTM... I like JGTH aside from the scenes with Jason. The movie would have been so much better if it was based on someone being possessed by Jason and never showing him. The body hopping was very Cronenberg and I loved it.... but we have to be constantly reminded in the movie that it is a "Jason" movie and it spoils it for me.

As forJTM, the way that movie starts off was great. Once Jason makes it to the boat it gets a little corny and bland, but is still acceptable.

I agree. They showed Jason WAY too much. They should have had the concept that someone was being possessed by him. It could have been a damn good movie then, I think.

Yeah, the first half of JTM is pretty acceptable. It still is relatively shitty, but I find it to be entertaining. The 2nd half I just don't like at all.

[nottidelterrore]

Even though Jason looks pretty plain in JTM, he looks a hell of a lot better than in JGTH. He just looked plain terrible there. And he was missing the wrong eye.

[sCabbOy]

Jason looked OK in JTM until his mask came off.

[Deathscythe]

I didn't like the Jason Takes Manhattan look at all, my least favorite look in the whole series (along with JGTHs).

[James M]

Though his face in JTM does suck, I like how Jason looks in the movie besides that. The continuity of it is bad, with all that lost flesh grown back (forget the regeneration stuff made up 12 years later...it obviously was an error), but I like how he looks in JTM regardless. Something about the look just really makes him look like death on two legs. Maybe something about the mask.

[Deathscythe]

I didn't like the mask either, too yellow for me.

[Melanie Jarvis]

Jason looked OK in JTM until his mask came off.

100% agree. I could have designed Jason's face for JTM and I have no make-up effects experience at all.

[nottidelterrore]

Jason's appearance was a huge step down the stairs in JTM compared to The New Blood. In fact, it's like falling down a huge flight of stairs.

Really, every movie after The New Blood saw a decline in Jason's appearance. At least I think so.

[The Dream Master]

I actually like Jason's appearance from JGTH a lot. In fact, it might be my favorite "Zombie Jason" look.

[El Rooto]

I like the JGTH look as well.

[The Tall Man]

I loves me the Friday 8 Jason look. Kane looks lean and tall, kinda like an even more deteriorated C.J.

T.M.

[Rich]

The look of Jason may not continue from Part 7 very well, but for what it is it does not look bad. The worst looking Jason was used to be Jason Goes to Hell, but now is FVJ.

[The Dream Master]

If I had to choose a least favorite look (excluding the ridiculous-looking Uber Jason), I'd have to go with Jason's "normal" incarnation in Jason X. I just didn't dig that look very much.

[Rich]

Wow! I really liked both Jason X looks. I will always hate the FVJ look: too skinny and jacket and Frankenstein boots. That wasn't even Jason. That was an interpretation of Jason by a guy who has never even seen a Friday movie in full. Heck Roy (Part 5) was more of a Jason then the "Jason" in FVJ.

[The Dream Master]

I think Uber-Jason could have been a lot cooler if he hadn't looked so...polished, I guess? I wish he would have looked more like a walking corpse that had robot parts to supplement what was missing (kind of like The Terminator looked once he started deteoriating, I guess).

As for Jason's normal look in Jason X, I can't really put my finger on why I don't dig it. The mask, for one thing, looks off. And he looked a little bit smaller, too, for some reason, compared to JGTH. I will say that I liked his unmasked look, though. It was superior to FvJ's portrayal in that regards.

[Jigsaw]

I thought Jason in JTM looked alright until his mask came off. I hated how he looked in JGTH and JX, but his FVJ look was pretty cool.

[Joshg]

I kind of liked his look in JTM. Although, his face...was...OMG...like...It's THAT hard to describe. I think Hodden took a picture of a man his son drew, and said, "replicate this artwork! Jason's face, shall be:"...and all the make-up artists say "What?" :P

I enjoyed his JGTH look more (aside from his human versions because they didn't feel frightening).

FvJ was too tall and JX didn't feel complete. Not to mention metal monkeys aren't scary!

[The Tall Man]

Actually, Josh, on the Friday box set, you can see Hedden's designs for Jason's face in 8 and they're... well, Jasonic.

T.M.

[Joshg]

Yep, I was just trying to figure out how that pathetic look came to be. All I could reason with was a child's (poorly drawn) art. Hedden, you are a bad, bad man. :)

[The Tall Man]

Why are you putting it on Hedden? Doubtfully he has anything to do with it.

T.M.

[Utellme]

Actually, Josh, on the Friday box set, you can see Hedden's designs for Jason's face in 8 and they're... well, Jasonic.

T.M.
Wheres this at on the Box Set ?

[Joshg]

Why are you putting it on Hedden? Doubtfully he has anything to do with it.

T.M.

I'm just trying to find someone to blame until fact is fact. Haha,
you shouldn't take everything so close to heart.

Oh, and where in the CL-MH boxset are the designs? I want to look over them. Can't remember where they might be.

[Rich]

The FVJ look sucked. At least it did to me. When I was a kid I used to hate the JGTH look, but that grew on me. I liked both JX looks. JTM was not as bad of a look as everyone says it is. I just watched it yesterday. I think they were going for a living dead version of the Part 3 Jason.

I don't remember seeing Rob's designes in the box set. As far as the look, it is more on the make-up people and not really Rob's fault.

Like I said, personally, I don't think it was a bad as everyone says it is. I think people excpect too much after The New Blood. You'll never ever get a make-up job like that ever again.

[The Tall Man]

Oh I thought I came back and replied to this: the designs are seen in the interviews section about Friday 8.

T.M.

[Rich]

You mean in the Crystal Lake Chronicles Part 8 section of the box set? I'll have to watch that again.

[Fowlees]

Whats the name of the artist and song at the beginning of this movie...I'm too lazy to put the DVD on and go through the closing credits....Cheers.

[Jigsaw]

Darkest Side Of The Night by Stan Meissner.

[Fowlees]

i thank you

[Jigsaw]

No problem.

[Scarecrow]

JTM definitly has the worst face and look IMO. I liek FvJ itwas very much a mdoern take, getting to the routes of the character. It was a modern look of someone who lived wild in a wood, it had that roughness and spoke about the chaarcter in a visual way.


- Scarecrow

[Jigsaw]

I liked that about FVJ's look as well. I thought it had a very backwoods look to it.

[mrniceguy]

JTM is a blast of cheesy 80s goodness and perfect late night viewing . I don't exactly understand why it is so despised .

[Ron]

nothing is worse than the way that Jason looked in JGTH.

[The Tall Man]

JTM definitly has the worst face and look IMO.
What is wrong with Jason's look in Friday 8? He's got his green shirt and grey slacks from Friday 3-6 (albiet discolored black by this time). He's got his hockey mask. He looks like Jason.

"Crystal Lake Memories" reveals exactly as I thought went down about Jason's face too. Which is sad.

T.M.

[Jigsaw]

William Terezakis, who sculpted Jason's face in JTM, admitted in CLM that he hated the look for Jason's JTM face and even objected to it, but Jamie Brown insisted that the face be sculpted that way. From the sound of it, Jamie Brown and his crew were very oblivious to the continuity of the previous seven movies.

[Deathscythe]

My main problem with the look was the mask was way too yellow in this film anyway.

[Jigsaw]

I agree that the mask was too yellow-looking, but I rather like the JTM mask otherwise. It has a bit more of a "raw" look to it, if that makes sense.

[nottidelterrore]

William Terezakis, who sculpted Jason's face in JTM, admitted in CLM that he hated the look for Jason's JTM face and even objected to it, but Jamie Brown insisted that the face be sculpted that way. From the sound of it, Jamie Brown and his crew were very oblivious to the continuity of the previous seven movies.

I just read about that today. And I agree. I didn't like Jason's face. The mask was pretty good but too yellow.

[Jigsaw]

I thought Jason's JTM look was fine minus the face, and his skin needed to be more rotted-looking. A slimy, mushy version of TNB's face would've worked great for Jason in JTM.

[The Tall Man]

Jig, he said that he gave that guys tons of information on Jason's faces from the previous movies and then took one look at the JTM face and went "Aw, fuck no!"

That made me smile... and sad at the same time.

T.M.

[Jigsaw]

I remember reading that. So stupid of them to flat-out disregard continuity even when they were given all the information that they were. Didn't Bill even say he hated working with them?

[Darth Sinister]

What is wrong with Jason's look in Friday 8? He's got his green shirt and grey slacks from Friday 3-6 (albiet discolored black by this time). He's got his hockey mask. He looks like Jason.

"Crystal Lake Memories" reveals exactly as I thought went down about Jason's face too. Which is sad.

T.M.

Take a second look. Jason is no longer wearing the clothes he swiped from Harold and Edna. That outfit was burned off of him at the end of TNB, as you can see the last of Harold's shirt is gone and his pants are barely there. In JTM, he's wearing a dark blue boiler suit with gloves. Something he didn't have in the last film. His skin is now white and slimy, with at times looking like long underwear. The face, when we see it, doesn't have the same luster as the previous films and what comes next. This is part of the reason that the regentive factor became canon after being in the novelizations from Simon Hawke. It's not as complex as TNB. It was in JTM, that Jason's appearence was not as consistant as it was in 3-7. It's more than just the makeup job. Jason's clothes in 3-7 were very consistant and though logically he shouldn't have been buried in them, he still has them in JL and TNB. In ANB, Jason appears the same way as he had in the previous two installments, everytime we see him in Tommy's head.

[The Tall Man]

Take a second look. Jason is no longer wearing the clothes he swiped from Harold and Edna. That outfit was burned off of him at the end of TNB, as you can see the last of Harold's shirt is gone and his pants are barely there. In JTM, he's wearing a dark blue boiler suit with gloves.
Oh God, not the boiler suit nonsense again. It is NOT a boiler suit. It is a work shirt and pants. They are EASILY seen as two seperate pieces.
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/4918/friday8vo4.th.jpg (http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=friday8vo4.jpg)
I also point you to pages 192 and 209 in CLM. Friday 8 is the last time we see the old Harold clothes (even though they were seriously miscolored--black not blue--by this point and despite what happened to them at the end of Friday 7. Hey, if his JL gloves could come back after 7, then why not his other clothes). They melted off him after the end of 8 and at some point on his way back to Crystal Lake, Jason must have killed a federal guard and stole his clothes (Jason wears a federal guard's clothes in JGTH).

T.M.

[Jigsaw]

Jason's JTM attire actually does consist of his green work shirt and grey khaki pants from Parts 3-6, you can see the costume on display in Planet Hollywood here in Las Vegas and the coloration is the same as in Parts 3-6. His clothes just got drenched with a black slimy substance from being submersed underwater for so long.

[The Tall Man]

Jig, really?!? I knew they were on display in Planet Hollywood, but the people who saw them and told me about it told me they were black, not the green/grey they shoulda been. Wowzas! :)

T.M.

[Jigsaw]

I remember them being the green/grey scheme.

[Scarecrow]

Still, the part 8 outfit is far form consistant with the end of Part VII when Jason is pretty much wearing tattered rags with most of the outfit burnt off of him.


- Scarecrow

[Jigsaw]

I always found that strange, why Jason has a nearly full set of clothes in JTM when at the of TNB he was almost naked. I take it Tina's father didn't take the time to dress him up before burying him underwater in the coffin.

[Darth Sinister]

That's one of the more inconsistant things that has been talked to death. The fact that his clothes were gone, but here he is wearing them again. This is what leads to the continuity issues later on, as no one made an effort to be consistant, except maybe JX. And that only happened because as Farmer and Issacs said, they didn't know what he'd look like in FvsJ. So they created a look that would avoid errors and combined with the story's setting several years later, there was no need to worry. The problem that JTM has, is that with the way the outfit is colored and the film was lit and the color timing, it looks like a one piece outfit and not two separate ones.

[Jigsaw]

JTM caused a lot of the series' continuity problems that have been almost unfixable since.

[The Tall Man]

I gues I'm the only one glad Jason was back in clothes again. I detest those tattered rags in Friday 7.

Kudos to Jason being clothed again. :) **flashes on that pic on Kane's site... and shudders**

T.M.

[Chex]

I always found that strange, why Jason has a nearly full set of clothes in JTM when at the of TNB he was almost naked. I take it Tina's father didn't take the time to dress him up before burying him underwater in the coffin.


Let's be happy that the filmmaker's only went with "Jason happens to pick up a hockey mask that just so happens to also have the same axe cut into it as his previous mask had" and not "besides the hockey mask with the axe cut, he also snaps up a pair of clothes exactly to what he had on in previous films".

;)

[Jigsaw]

Regarding the axe mask, I'm guessing Jim might've been a Jason fanatic and made the mask himself or had someone else make it for him, and he had the axe cut added for authenticity.

[Chex]

Regarding the axe mask, I'm guessing Jim might've been a Jason fanatic and made the mask himself or had someone else make it for him, and he had the axe cut added for authenticity.

Then he should have had the clothes as well or else he was a "true fan". :p

Seriously though, while that's possible, my problem with it is that nothing of the sort is hinted and you would have thought a "fan" would have known better than to have sex on the spot where Jason floats around at.

No matter how you slice it, that bit has never sit well with me.

[Jigsaw]

Maybe Jim was such a huge fan he went as far as having his boat at the lake :p

In all seriousness though, there's people like that in real-life who go to quite the extreme to show their fandom, so I guess it isn't too big a stretch to suggest that Jim was just a big Jason fan. I agree that it is a big loophole, though, and it marked the start of the severe continuity problems of the series.

[Chex]

I agree that it is a big loophole, though, and it marked the start of the severe continuity problems of the series.

Actually, I think it's the opposite as the filmmakers were trying to stop any changes in continuity. :p

I wouldn't have minded if Jason goes around on the boat without the mask only to finally get a new one once they reached New York in order to not stand out slightly less (emphasis on the word there).

Well, as long as they don't have him rip down the giant billboard with the mask on it and run around while holding it in front of him or something. -_-

[Jigsaw]

And his skin being more white/grey could've been the result of his regeneration but the underwater atmosphere affecting it (if you believe the regeneration theory).

One thing that always bugged me about Jason's JTM appearance though was him missing his right eye but having his left one intact, whereas in JL and TNB it was the opposite way around. The make-up artists on JTM showed next-to-no regard for the continuity when they designed Jason for this film.

[Deathscythe]

Kudos to Jason being clothed again. :) **flashes on that pic on Kane's site... and shudders**

T.M.


Now THAT was scary. :(

[The Tall Man]

Seriously though, while that's possible, my problem with it is that nothing of the sort is hinted and you would have thought a "fan" would have known better than to have sex on the spot where Jason floats around at.
Well, as long as they don't have him rip down the giant billboard with the mask on it and run around while holding it in front of him or something. -_-
:lmao: Classic.

[Chex]

For some reason now, I've got an image of Jason ripping off that billboard hockey mask and trying to stalk people. Problem is, he can't fit into the alley ways and now every sees him coming so he just gets mad and what not.

Side note: TM! Come to chat!

[nottidelterrore]

For some reason now, I've got an image of Jason ripping off that billboard hockey mask and trying to stalk people. Problem is, he can't fit into the alley ways and now every sees him coming so he just gets mad and what not.



:lol:

I would love to see that.

[Darth Sinister]

I gues I'm the only one glad Jason was back in clothes again. I detest those tattered rags in Friday 7.

Kudos to Jason being clothed again. :) **flashes on that pic on Kane's site... and shudders**

T.M.

Actually all they have to do is have Jason pick up a new set of clothing. It wouldn't take much time. The tattered rags make sense since he's fallen a few times, been underground and underwater, before being burned up. Clothes don't last that long no matter how much you take care of them. And since Jason's an active person, he would have the tattered rags like in TNB. Hedden took time out to give him a new mask, he could've taken time out to have Jason get a new pair of clothes from Jim.

[Rich]

The Jason having new clothes without explanation in Part 8 is just one of those things I am willing to overlook. To me, it is one of those fan nit picky eye rollers. To me, that is trying hard to find something to complain about. No offense.

[sCabbOy]

He regenerated clothes.... duh :duh:

[Utellme]

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Originally Posted by The Tall Man View Post
I gues I'm the only one glad Jason was back in clothes again. I detest those tattered rags in Friday 7.

Kudos to Jason being clothed again. **flashes on that pic on Kane's site... and shudders**

T.M.
Actually all they have to do is have Jason pick up a new set of clothing. It wouldn't take much time. The tattered rags make sense since he's fallen a few times, been underground and underwater, before being burned up. Clothes don't last that long no matter how much you take care of them. And since Jason's an active person, he would have the tattered rags like in TNB. Hedden took time out to give him a new mask, he could've taken time out to have Jason get a new pair of clothes from Jim.
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I love the look in part 7 i did not think Jason's look in part 8 was as good but not hoorible. Anything but his look from part 3 and 4 IMO those were so blah ,flat boring

I know in part 6 it was the same clothes it just looked a little better somehow even in 5 the all one piece overall and part 2 i liked those looks

[Rich]

I don't mind the rags look in Part 7. That is one of my favorite looks. I think it works well with the awesome make-up job that Buechler did.

[sCabbOy]

The problem is that Jason has the clothes as he gets out of the water siting that he has been in that water ever since Tina put him there.

[Shoesalesman]

I'm in the middle of this flick right now... the boat scenes are pretty good. I'm uneasy with large boats in water in general... and the fact Mr. Voorhees is slicing up the folks on it adds to the tension.
ADDED:
Okay... I've come to realize that the most annoying bit in this movie... is Julius's "hoo hoo hoo" when he sees the statue of liberty from the rowboat. After almost every sentence that comes out of his mouth in this 20 second scene ends with a hoo hoo hoo!!! I know it's suppose to be an excited laugh, but cripes I wanted to drown the rowboat just to shut him up. Okay, maybe I'm being too hard on that scene, but SHEESH!

[Scarecrow]

To be fair they're all so stupid you just wnat Jaosn to put them out of your misery...


- Scarecrow

[kramerfan]

What does everyone here think this part would of been like had Buechler directed it?

[Jigsaw]

More consistant with TNB and the others in terms of continuity.

[sCabbOy]

I think the movie would have been directed better w/o Beuchler, but the SFX would have been better. He said he wouldn't had done the SFX without being able to direct. He said he doesn't like movies like Friday The 13th, so he wouldn't have done one and not the other I don't think.

I think the movie was directed better than Beuchler could have done, it was just a bad script. Maybe if Beucher wrote it it would have ben better.

[Patrick]

I'm in the middle of this flick right now... the boat scenes are pretty good. I'm uneasy with large boats in water in general... and the fact Mr. Voorhees is slicing up the folks on it adds to the tension.
ADDED:
Okay... I've come to realize that the most annoying bit in this movie... is Julius's "hoo hoo hoo" when he sees the statue of liberty from the rowboat. After almost every sentence that comes out of his mouth in this 20 second scene ends with a hoo hoo hoo!!! I know it's suppose to be an excited laugh, but cripes I wanted to drown the rowboat just to shut him up. Okay, maybe I'm being too hard on that scene, but SHEESH!

I am with you on Julius. He just gets on my nerves...actin' all bully/leader of the pack and shit. Going so far as to have a boxing match with Jason....that has to be the most ridiculous scene in the whole franchise. The only justification is when Jason knocks his head off.

[Jigsaw]

I agree about the boxing scene, very stupid and unneeded IMO. Why is Jason just standing there and letting him get the hits?

[Shoesalesman]

Maybe Jason just wanted to inch Julius closer to the edge of the roof with a plan to knock his block off... but he's Jason so he could just kill him after the first punch was thrown or even before.

[Deathscythe]

I agree about the boxing scene, very stupid and unneeded IMO. Why is Jason just standing there and letting him get the hits?

Haha, that was the best kill in this film.

[Patrick]

Julius should have been killed after he uttered his first word on the ship.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

I think Julius was just completely unnecessary. :lol: He was so damn annoying, haha.

[Jigsaw]

I liked Julius, even during the ridiculous boxing scene. Some of his lines are priceless.


"I say we go find this motherfucker before he finds us!"
"School is out, McCulloch! Okay?!"
"Nothing... but this gun."
"Take your best shot, motherfucker."


:lol:

[Patrick]

LOLOL......I forgot about that line. "Nothin'...but this gun." Then he cocks it. That was a bit much...lol. He never even used it.

[Jigsaw]

Classic 1980s machismo right there :lol:

[The Tall Man]

Silver, to be fair, Jason did toss his ass over the side before he got a chance.

T.M.

[Patrick]

Oh yea....lol. Julius must have been a good swimmer...:shifty:...he had to have stayed out in the water for almost 15-20 minutes until he miraculously popped up beside the row boat.

[Ron]

He must have a had an extra pair of lungs:p

[Shoesalesman]

He was dog-ass tired when he got into that boat that's for sure.

[sCabbOy]

I think with Julius, it was supposed to represent that he was swimming towards the boat and not underwater the entire way!

But, it was just bad directing for that instance.

[Rich]

It depends on just how far Jason threw him. Also there was a storm and probably a very strong undertoe in addition to the strong winds and high waves and everything else. He looked exhausted by the time he got on that little boat which shows he was really fighting for his life in that water. It was probably freezing cold too.

[Utellme]

What really happens to Jason at the end of this film ? And how does he reappear again at the beginning of part 9 ?

[The Dream Master]

I've got to assume that Jason turning into a kid is just one of Rennie's hallucinations, and it's a symbolic move that shows that she'll no longer be haunted by him. In reality, Jason just washed out into a body of water and found his way back to Crystal Lake and did his thing.

[Utellme]

That works and makes total sense because Renny was injected with drugs so that could explain the hallucinations. Is there a novel for part 8 or 9 ? What do they say ?

[The New Blood]

That works and makes total sense because Renny was injected with drugs so that could explain the hallucinations.

She was having hallucinations throughout the entire movie though.

[Jigsaw]

I've got to assume that Jason turning into a kid is just one of Rennie's hallucinations, and it's a symbolic move that shows that she'll no longer be haunted by him. In reality, Jason just washed out into a body of water and found his way back to Crystal Lake and did his thing.


I always believed that.

[girlychaos]

She was having hallucinations throughout the entire movie though.

True that. I was about to say it myself.

I have always refused to think Jason got back to being a kid at the end of JTM. What Brett said is what makes more sense and that's what I've always thought in a way .

[The Dream Master]

Yeah, Rennie is batshit crazy. I don't know why people consider her point of view there to be reliable at all, given all the shit she imagines throughout the flick. It's the same as Tommy all of a sudden becoming a Jason expert in Jason Lives. The dude's been in a mental institution for the better part of his life, so why should we trust what he has to say?

[Jigsaw]

Well Tommy probably would've done some research on Jason after his release from the clinic, so that's how he knew what he did about Jason.

[The Dream Master]

Maybe. But I've got to notice the fact that confining Jason to the lake doesn't do jack shit, so maybe he should brush up on his research. :)

[Jigsaw]

Don't forget the occult books he had in JL, he probably got his information from there. And it worked for a good while, until the events of TNB.

[The Tall Man]

Jig, Jason throttling you until you're unconscious in NO way constitutes "worked".

T.M.

[Jigsaw]

I never said it worked, I just said Tommy read the information from one of the occult books.

[girlychaos]

Well, actually...if Tina hadn't accidentally released Jason from the lake he'd still be there. Well, of course there would have been other ways for him to be brought back to life, but still...he was kept there for a few years, so...how did it not work? It did temporally anyway...I'd say Tommy got it right.

[Utellme]

Well, actually...if Tina hadn't accidentally released Jason from the lake he'd still be there. Well, of course there would have been other ways for him to be brought back to life, but still...he was kept there for a few years, so...how did it not work? It did temporally anyway...I'd say Tommy got it right.
Well actually whoever put Jason in his grave at the end of TFC who is the one who got it right.Jason was done buried and not bothering anyone.Tommy went and had to dig Jason up so if anything Tommy screwed up if he would of left him there Jason was not harming anyone. As for Tommy chaining him to the lake that only contained Jason.

[girlychaos]

True, but it did contain him. Wouldn't you say it worked in a way or another?

[Utellme]

Yes and yes .

[Just Jeans]

Yeah, Rennie is batshit crazy. I don't know why people consider her point of view there to be reliable at all...

Rennie is the epitome of the Unreliable Narrator archetype. She and the bloke from Fight Club would make a hell of a couple.

[Autobotsdie]

Did anyone notice that when Jason got the mask from the steering wheen of the boat that it had an ax mark on it? How did that guy get a mask that had that mark on it if it was destroyed in the previous movie?

[Natman]

I'm actually watching this film right now (for once, my attempt at a series marathon has made it this far) and have always noticed that the new mask happened to have the "scar" in the exact same spot. When I was younger, this one was my fave, now it's by no means my favorite, but I do enjoy it. Especially is you just agree that Rennie is a loony and her visions make no sense whatsoever.

[Jigsaw]

I always figured the axe mark on Jim's replica was put there by himself and he made the mask.

[Rich]

What really happens to Jason at the end of this film ? And how does he reappear again at the beginning of part 9 ?

I've got to assume that Jason turning into a kid is just one of Rennie's hallucinations, and it's a symbolic move that shows that she'll no longer be haunted by him. In reality, Jason just washed out into a body of water and found his way back to Crystal Lake and did his thing

Here is my theory:


1957 - Jason Drowns
1979 - Mrs. Voorhees goes on a murder spree and is killed
1979 - Saturday June 14tth, Jason is supernaturally resurrected from the dead for vengeance
Two Months Later - Jason's supernatural abilities alow him to grow at an amazing rate and then he murders Alice
Jason's supernatural abilites are reaching their peek as he is learning that he is basically a physical spirit alowed to leave his body as his choosing, meaning Rennie's hallucinations were actually Jason's spirit, which would explain why the dog saw it too
When he drowns, the memory of his original drowning reverts him back to his child form, but not for long
Once his child body washes back to Crystal Lake, it begins to supernaturally grow again and Jason Goes to Hell begins

[Autobotsdie]

At the end of the movie if his body is just laying there as a child why didn't they grab it and take it somewhere? From the way it looks Jason is weak at that moment so they would have a good chance of moving the body to the authorities.

[nottidelterrore]

I always figured the axe mark on Jim's replica was put there by himself and he made the mask.

I figured that as well. He had probably heard that Jason's mask had an axe slash in it so he made one in his mask to imitate Jason's.

[Utellme]

At the end of the movie if his body is just laying there as a child why didn't they grab it and take it somewhere? From the way it looks Jason is weak at that moment so they would have a good chance of moving the body to the authorities.
Maybe cause Jason was really not a kid but Rennie's hallucination

[Jigsaw]

I figured that as well. He had probably heard that Jason's mask had an axe slash in it so he made one in his mask to imitate Jason's.


Jim sort of seemed interested in the Jason legend to me, and I wouldn't doubt he made the mask himself or perhaps had a friend make it for him.

[Scarecrow]

It's a pretty rubbish explanation really, but it does work... justamkes you wonder what the film makers themselves were thinking though...


- Scarecrow

[Jigsaw]

It's a big goof on the part of the filmmakers, that Jim not only has an almost perfect replica of Jason's mask, it has the axe mark to boot.

[James M]

Well, I'm sure pictures would have surfaced of this infamous serial killer and people would see the mask. Can't forget that delightful posed photo from ANB. :lol:

Really though, there will probably pictures of a "dead" Jason from Higgins Haven.