Friday the 13th, Part VII: The New Blood [Archive]

MaDMaNMaRz

07-14-2007, 02:40 AM

Without Kane Hodder this movie would have been as boring as Terror At Tenkiller.

Haha, Terror at Tenkiller is just......WOW! It's one of the biggest turds ever. :lol:

I do like TNB, but I don't watch it very often. Actually, even if I happen to put it in, alot of times I don't even finish it. I do think that Kane was the best part of the film. His Jason looked really bad ass in it.

Shoesalesman

07-14-2007, 02:48 AM

I love The New Blood.

It had some great kills, good atmosphere, and a great looking Jason. The decaying kneecaps and exposed spine were classic.

I could watch this one all day long. :drool:

The New Blood

07-14-2007, 02:55 AM

I love The New Blood.

I love you too.

:lmao:

CanadianFonzie

07-14-2007, 03:06 AM

HAHAHAAAAA TNB you fuckin' kill me

this would mark the last FT13 I saw in theatres, probably my favourite Zombie Jason FT13, it's so dark and evil...got a different vibe from the other FT13's...but that's what I love about it

Shoesalesman

07-14-2007, 03:22 AM

I love you too.

:lmao:

You cheeky devil, you! :p

CanadianFonzie

07-14-2007, 03:27 AM

come on Shoey, you know you died after reading that, lol

Shoesalesman

07-14-2007, 03:42 AM

come on Shoey, you know you died after reading that, lol

Yeah I did. :lol:

Rich

07-15-2007, 05:58 AM

I love you too.

:lmao:

:lmao::lmao::lmao:

That was great!

CampNewBlood

07-15-2007, 07:59 AM

This is a pretty good entry, but I think everyone agrees, it would have been so much better with the original ending John Carl Buechler intended and with the gore scenes intact.

sCabbOy

07-15-2007, 08:04 AM

CanadianFonzie

07-16-2007, 01:58 AM

Toejam

07-16-2007, 03:25 AM

the ending was kinda pathetic, but Zombie Jason is also kind of pathetic because he can't be killed, so they have to find some way to get rid of him until the next installment, even if it means ending it like they did for this movie

Agreed,
After all the punishment Jason takes in this film and keeps going I don't know how you could stop him without taking him out JGTH style. So we get a rather pathetic ending.

CampNewBlood

07-16-2007, 07:48 AM

I thought the ending was silly- the ending with the fisherman. It would have been stupid if it was set in reality.

I like Jason chained to the bottom of the lake.

Also, if gore is the only way the movie would have been better it really speaks volumes on how bad this movie really was. I've always thought the writing was horrible and there were really only a few characters that were worth caring about. The entire party house ( much like TFC) could have been easily eliminated.

I agree about the writing. But the ending we were given is ridiculous, in my opinion. Tina's dad looks like he did 15 years previous...having been under water for that long? Come on...and the cops couldn't find his body in that mud puddle being passed off as a lake? :side:

I just mean, with all of the scenes intact, it would have been more enjoyable...for me atleast. Yes most of the characters we unecessary and played no important role at all, but the "gore" aspect of the these movies is (or was) a big focal point in their original success...or should I say their notoriety. The back of the original's VHS box, even it says on there that it is "...widely acclaimed for it's inventive murder sequences."...or something to that effect.

Dramarama

07-16-2007, 09:50 AM

Tina's dad coming up was pretty cool, just him dragging his leg's to the ground, wrapping him up in chain's and puling him under, it was one of the best shots in the movie IMO.

Wheatjedi

07-16-2007, 10:26 AM

It would have looked much better if they could have gone with JCB's original make-up design for Tina's dad at the end of the film.

Nancy Thompson

07-16-2007, 10:51 AM

Part 7 was very good actally its my #1 fav in the series. I love the whole idea that Tina had powers to move stuff with her head and also love the idea that she was trying to bring her father back from the dead but she got Jason instead. I love the kills my fav had to be when that bitch Melissa got the axe in the face. i wish jason killed her sooner then he did but i was glad when she got killed!

also jason look was total kick ass too! Kane did a super job playing Jason

Shoesalesman

07-16-2007, 03:04 PM

Jason also seemed meaner in this one. Some of the kills, especially Melissa's at the end, was pretty brutal. Maybe it's just me but he seemed to use more "force" than usual.

Lammert

07-16-2007, 03:25 PM

There is one scene in this movie that always makes me laugh... when a flying nail hits Jason in the head and he pulls it out. The way that shot is done, it looks fake... cracks me up everytime.

Not a bad movie, they tried some different things... but the whole Tina thing doesn't cut it for me.
And I never liked the location... It didn't feel like a Crystal Lake.

CanadianFonzie

07-16-2007, 03:37 PM

Wheatjedi

07-16-2007, 06:02 PM

And I never liked the location... It didn't feel like a Crystal Lake.

I agree with this. I've never been crazy about the location used in this film.

sCabbOy

07-16-2007, 06:32 PM

The location was obvious what it was- fake on the side of a swampy lake.

The New Blood

07-16-2007, 08:00 PM

I agree Shoey, when I saw those extended deaths from the movies, they seemed too violent for Jason, most of them were pretty cool, but it was just wierd because that was a side of Jason I never saw before

I don't get how you get say the kills were too violent. They weren't much more violent than the kills in TFC. I thought the uncut deaths were awesome in this movie and need to be put back in.

Lammert

07-16-2007, 08:12 PM

I agree with The New Blood, some of the kills were perfect... I mean how would you feel if you were trap underwater for a couple of years? ;)

CanadianFonzie

07-16-2007, 08:59 PM

and people wonder why I never post in this part of the forum

The New Blood

07-16-2007, 09:07 PM

and people wonder why I never post in this part of the forum

????

what do you mean?

Autobotsdie

07-16-2007, 10:14 PM

I agree with The New Blood, some of the kills were perfect... I mean how would you feel if you were trap underwater for a couple of years? ;)
The way it looked at the begining it looked he was under water for more than a couple years.

CanadianFonzie

07-16-2007, 10:21 PM

????

what do you mean?

this being a forum for the FT13 movies, there are alot bigger fans on this forum than me that don't respect my opinions and make me feel stupid because of this

The New Blood

07-16-2007, 10:25 PM

this being a forum for the FT13 movies, there are alot bigger fans on this forum than me that don't respect my opinions and make me feel stupid because of this

I respect your opinion, I just don't agree with it. Don't feel stupid.

I'm not even that big of a movie fan anymore anyway.

BlakeTyner

07-17-2007, 12:02 AM

this being a forum for the FT13 movies, there are alot bigger fans on this forum than me that don't respect my opinions and make me feel stupid because of this

Meh, don't let the fact that some people have more knowledge of the minutia than you discourage you from posting here.

I'll be real with ya - I don't own a single Friday the 13 movie on tape or DVD. I've seen them all before, obviously, but not enough to really comment in an in-depth way. Still, I get a kick out of participating.

~Blake

girlychaos

07-17-2007, 04:12 AM

this being a forum for the FT13 movies, there are alot bigger fans on this forum than me that don't respect my opinions and make me feel stupid because of this

That is not true...everyone respects your opinions....it's okay that some of us don't agree...it's only natural, right? :)

And don't feel stupid....please! ;)

Btw...the death scenes were awesome! Now....someone probably brought it up a few times before....but the shot of the tent they used was the same one from TFC....am I right? If so....why was that?

Utellme

07-17-2007, 04:38 AM

Candian its cool bro as long were not fighting and cursing all opinions are respected.Its all good you dont learn unless you speak up.I know alot of fr 13th stuff but theres people on here that amaze me with the stuff they know or have.I own the box set and 9,10 n FvsJ . Theres different days were ill throw in say part 8 its very low on my list but different days differnt mood.I like all the fr 13th's some more than others but i can set down and watch any of them and enjoy it.So speak up ill respect your opinions so will everyone else cause were fans.

As for the part 7 tent scene i thought i was seeing it wrong but the tent shot does look like the shot fro TFC thank you im not alone i dont know wheter were right that will get answered but it looks the same to me

girlychaos

07-17-2007, 04:53 AM

Yes, the tent in part VII looks completely different and yet the shot is exactly the same as the one in TFC...I hope we're not the only ones who think that.

Utellme

07-17-2007, 05:01 AM

we will find out. IM gonna throw them both in now and compare them.Should post about this in TFC thread if you havnt.

The Tall Man

07-17-2007, 05:07 AM

Yes. That is in fact a stock footage shot.

T.M.

girlychaos

07-17-2007, 05:09 AM

Hmm...I knew it! See, Utellme We were right! :D

Thanks TTM! :)

CanadianFonzie

07-17-2007, 05:45 AM

Candian its cool bro as long were not fighting and cursing all opinions are respected.

that's true, fighting is such a pointless part to arguing and it didn't lead to that, nor would it have...I was just in a somewhat spaced mood at the point that I posted that, cause my mind was on getting to the Def Leppard concert

but if you hear me out, I enjoyed the deaths and all, don't get me wrong, it's just some of the stuff they deleted I'm glad they did, because crushing a guys head until blood comes out of his eyes isn't something I'd expect to find in an FT13 movie, nor would I expect a girl getting whacked to pieces or Dr. Crews' belly full...it's not the deaths I'm complaining about, it's that in some cases I'm glad of what they didn't show from the deaths, I actually found this movie to have some cool kills in it

Utellme

07-17-2007, 06:01 AM

Part 7 kills that were deleted some of them were alot cooler like dr cruz and the dude getting his head smashed down to nothing those 2 the other cuts i guess im ok with

Yeah i see that i threw in part 7 n 4 definetly same tent shot

girlychaos

07-17-2007, 06:05 AM

Yeah....no doubt about that.

Utellme

07-17-2007, 06:35 AM

Wasn't a big fan of the cast in this movie outside of a Tina.But there was alot of good stuff in this movie the soundtrack,the kills were creative,Jason's look awesome finally shows some wear, John Buechler Kane Hodder,Liked the low cam view on Jason also and Jason out of mask for so long

sCabbOy

07-17-2007, 06:38 AM

CampNewBlood

07-17-2007, 08:17 AM

It would have looked much better if they could have gone with JCB's original make-up design for Tina's dad at the end of the film.

I agree with you on that. It would have been more "believable" for the movie.

Deathscythe

07-17-2007, 08:24 AM

The New Bloods one of my favorites. Jason looked his best in this movie, Kane Hodder was great. Tina was also a great heronie, the score was pretty good too.

Dave Dunwoody

07-17-2007, 08:54 AM

I agree that the goriest of the uncut kills were new ground for F13 - though I think Jason had been just as violent at times in previous films, this time you had his superhuman strength & a seemingly more creative bent added to the mix - giving us flying entrails, a crushed head, that awesome gout of blood when he sweeps the axe up Russell's face.

It should be considered this was the relatively new zombie Jason - the guy who was (I think) probably a little surprised that when he punched Allen Hawes, his hand came out the guy's back clutching his heart. I'd say TNB shows Jason settled into his undead role and acclimated to his newfound strength, using it to make sure that his victims suffer even more, and that their discovered remains are even more gruesome. In that regard, I wish the uncut kills had been there to support that idea.

The Tall Man

07-17-2007, 06:55 PM

Thac you make an excellent point. I'm pretty sure Jason doesn't really want to kill anybody. If he did, he'd come out of the wood and just start decimating the town of Crystal Lake. No, he just wants you to stay the hell away.

Maybe he thinks the worse he kills someone, perhaps they'll finally get the point.

T.M.

kramerfan

07-17-2007, 07:08 PM

I love this film.Jasons look is amazing.I actually love the setting and agree tinas father should have looked like buechlers original design.My favorite scene is when tina brings jason back up and he shoots up and looks at her and that beautiful music plays is incredible.love it!!

Shoesalesman

07-17-2007, 08:20 PM

I mentioned this before on the other forum, but when the house blows up near the end I have to rewind and watch it again numerous times before finishing the movie off.

CanadianFonzie

07-18-2007, 01:20 AM

and just why is that Shoey?

CampNewBlood

07-18-2007, 02:31 AM

I mentioned this before on the other forum, but when the house blows up near the end I have to rewind and watch it again numerous times before finishing the movie off.

Yea, that is a very intense scene. You can almost feel the explosion.....especially if you have a kick-ass sound system.

Shoesalesman

07-18-2007, 02:46 AM

and just why is that Shoey?

The truth?

I pretend it's Oprah's house. :dance:

girlychaos

07-18-2007, 03:14 AM

The truth?

I pretend it's Oprah's house. :dance:

Gosh...I don't know if it's right for me to be laughing as hard as I am now! LOL

CampNewBlood

07-18-2007, 03:59 AM

I always hated the way Dr. Crews hid behind Tina's mother and let Jason kill her first.

Coward.

The New Blood

07-18-2007, 04:02 AM

I always hated the way Dr. Crews hid behind Tina's mother and let Jason kill her first.

Coward.

Yet another reason why it would be great to see his stomach split open in the movie.

girlychaos

07-18-2007, 04:07 AM

I always hated the way Dr. Crews hid behind Tina's mother and let Jason kill her first.

Coward.

I always get really mad at him when he does that...he was a lousy excuse for a man!

Mr. Undertaker

07-18-2007, 04:12 AM

I agree with you all.... he´s one of the most coward guy in all f13th saga!

girlychaos

07-18-2007, 04:16 AM

I'm pretty sure he IS the most coward one.

The Tall Man

07-18-2007, 05:29 AM

Have you guys noticed that Jason also sort of hesitates to kill Mrs. Shepard? And when he does it's almost as if he's just going through her to get to him. That's must be why when he comes back for the return engagement, he's got a damned super-weapon to get him with.

T.M.

girlychaos

07-18-2007, 05:49 AM

Yes....even Jason knew the coward Dr. Crews was.

Wheatjedi

07-18-2007, 05:56 AM

I think that's why Jason stalked and killed Crews like he did. I'd imagine he had fun with that Bushmaster 5000. :)

girlychaos

07-18-2007, 06:00 AM

LOL

Dr. Crews had it coming...seriously.

Wheatjedi

07-18-2007, 06:05 AM

Yeah... he really did. And the next year, his dead body was dragged around by Jonathan Silverman and Andrew McCarthy.

SmiTheReeNs*

07-18-2007, 02:58 PM

i remember Dr Crews being ina Three's company episode he was funny as hell!! indeed he deserved to get gutted thanks youttube!

Shoesalesman

07-18-2007, 03:02 PM

i remember Dr Crews being ina Three's company episode he was funny as hell!! indeed he deserved to get gutted thanks youttube!

Speaking of the Three's Company tie in, didn't Peter Mark Richman (McCulloch in part 8) play Chrissy's father who was also a minister?

SmiTheReeNs*

07-18-2007, 04:01 PM

it sure was him...good one

Duke Nukeum

07-18-2007, 09:16 PM

Yeah part 7 is one of my favorites big time. It was the third one I saw when I was 7 after Part 6 and Part 8 (in that order) that I saw when my parents taped it for me off of Cinemax. Film like everybody said could have been better if they had left the gore in. Not to mention the character moments that were supposed to be in it. Some shot and others not. I guess it had to do with time restrictions. Like that scene with Maddy smoking grass with David that Diana Barrows mentioned in Crystal Lake Memories. And I guess acording to Heidi Kozak there was more character to Sandra. Her saying in interviews that her character was on a high school swim team and there being more scenes and dialog with her. Too bad those extra character moments didn't make it to the final cut or else the characters wouldn't have been so 1 demensional and more like the characters in part 4 and 6. But Oh well still a great movie as far as I am concerned. Would be nice if someday they would release it again with everything filmed in it all spliced in. The kills uncut as well as the extra character scenes that were filmed. But knowing Paramount that boxset is all we will ever get unless someone high up takes over and happens to be a Friday fan.:jason:

"I Crack Skulls Not Safes!" Duke Nukeum:cool:

The Tall Man

07-18-2007, 11:32 PM

Rich

07-18-2007, 11:37 PM

On the other hand, Tall Man, at least you can't say Buechler was a director who didn't really care about Jason (at least his Jason). :D

I agree with you though, that he did not seem to be much into story telling. He basically seemed to be into Jason and that is it, but the film did have an awesome story. I just wonder where it came from.

Lammert

07-18-2007, 11:43 PM

I hate how Buechler talks about the past actors who played Jason in the documentary...

Rich

07-18-2007, 11:55 PM

Do you think John even ever saw the original movies, or do you think he just saw Jason Lives? I get the impression that both he and Kane only saw Jason Lives (Kane probably saw the original too based on how he talked about the ending of it on the Jason X dvd) because all John could talk about is how tired he was of seeing a guy walk around with gloves on, but that only happened in one movie, so I'm not convinced that he even saw anything prior to that, and he may have only watched that one to do homework since he got the seventh film.

What do you guys think?

CanadianFonzie

07-19-2007, 01:04 AM

The truth?

I pretend it's Oprah's house. :dance:

haha I don't think I'd be laughing so hard if it wasn't for the dancy guy

CampNewBlood

07-19-2007, 06:25 AM

When Tina resurrects Jason from his watery grave at the beginning of TNB, when he pops up, his skin is all saggy lookin. I mean, the prosthetics...especially his neck and head are all bloaded/fat lookin. I assume it's the water with him being submerged, but it doesn't look like that later .

Rich

07-19-2007, 02:09 PM

I noticed that too. When he first pops out of the water, he looks more like the Jason of Jason Goes to Hell.

Duke Nukeum

07-19-2007, 11:27 PM

Duke, this was something I absolutely hated about Friday 7's commentary. Being a director, I love hearing about other directors telling their directing tales. But friggin' Buechler didn't talk about a damned thing other than fx work (when not whining that the MPAA butchered his film). The no need for characterization apparently permeated every faucet of Friday 7.

It got to the point where I figured that any scene not featuring Jason, Buechler deligated to an A.D.

T.M.

Yeah really would have thought he would have made up with it by having more character moments then to make up for the kills being cut heavly. Really does make you wonder what character moments were left out. I guess you can rule out ther being much to Sandra's characterzation. Since I emailed him about that and he said not much of Heidi Kozak's scenes were cut. And I guess Heidi said herself in Femme Fatales Magazine that it was more less the script getting butchered because she said she started out having more character then she said she was reduced to just a bimbo who goes skinny dipping and dies. But makes you wonder as far as other characters what was left out with Diana Barrows mentioning some scenes. Oh well I guess we never will know. Just a shame he didn't say much about it when he was talking like other Friday directors did in commentaries like the part 6, 8 and 9 ones where they talked about the characters more and what was left out.

"Damn I'm Looking Good!" Duke Nukeum:cool:

The Tall Man

07-20-2007, 12:05 AM

Duke, absolutely. But it just goes to show how poor a director Buechler really is. His best directing job is "Cellar Dweller" fer cryin' out loud.

T.M.

Duke Nukeum

07-20-2007, 02:00 AM

Duke, absolutely. But it just goes to show how poor a director Buechler really is. His best directing job is "Cellar Dweller" fer cryin' out loud.

T.M.

Yeah you got a point. Lets hope he is never hired again to direct a Friday The 13th film. But I guess it is not likely that he will be directing the one that is supposed to come out in 09 or whatever.

"Your Looking A Little Green!" Duke Nukeum:cool:

Joshg

07-20-2007, 06:36 PM

I didn't mind Buechler's commentary. Although, far from the best F13 commentary. JGTH wins that one. Well done.

The characters in this film had so much potential. Some, like Sandra and David, I wanted to learn more about, and love. But they were just body counts. Booo!

SmiTheReeNs*

07-20-2007, 07:32 PM

To me the characters were pretty much boring..i was glad and had a smile on my face when Jason hacked and slashed:jason: especially melissa

Shoesalesman

07-20-2007, 08:22 PM

One character managed to transform before meeting an untimely fate; Maddy may have been a bit player, but she was able to be the pretty girl (for a few moments anyway). Her death was pretty cool; when we see Jason enter the shed for the second time and you just know Maddy's gonna get it. :jason:

Utellme

07-21-2007, 05:41 AM

Liked this movie but the cast really makes it a strain on me.Cause she goes and gets all prettied up only to walk out into the woods were she'll find no one no dates ?? Loses a ear ring looks forever and finds it ? Then runs into a box to trap herself ?

The New Blood

07-21-2007, 05:42 AM

Utellme

07-21-2007, 06:41 AM

This is what we call "bad film making"
Yeah im not so sure i buy the attitude Melissa has with Tina and Nick at the end Melissa can see if not Nick that Tina is quite distrought and she freaks on them ? thenopens the door to a axe in the head

TheCurse

07-22-2007, 02:25 AM

There is one scene in this movie that always makes me laugh... when a flying nail hits Jason in the head and he pulls it out
Actually the basement scene is my favorite in the movie. How Jason looks SUPER-pissed off at Tina, how he rips the nail out of his head, how he moves his jaw back and forth. The best is when he falls through the floor and later we see him open his eye and move it around!

Yeah im not so sure i buy the attitude Melissa has with Tina and Nick at the end Melissa can see if not Nick that Tina is quite distrought and she freaks on them ? thenopens the door to a axe in the head
Yeah! Melissa is just oblivious to the whole situation.

SmiTheReeNs*

07-22-2007, 04:40 AM

That basement seen was one of my favorites too...he yanked that light wire that Tina was tryin to hang him with. with authority! Last time we saw a determined Jason face was in TFC...this was the best and the last continuty Jason we ever had

Autobotsdie

07-22-2007, 05:09 AM

My favorite part is where he gets poped in the face with thje light and it explodes on contact.

CampNewBlood

07-22-2007, 06:46 AM

I like the basement scenes where Tina looks at the furnace and makes it open.....then her and Jason look at each other and then she makes the fire shoot out onto him. That's a cool part...made even cooler in slow motion after he catches fire.

Ron

07-22-2007, 01:53 PM

Lammert

07-22-2007, 02:04 PM

Yeah the ending really sucks...

Ron

07-22-2007, 02:10 PM

telepathic powers in a friday film are like putting ketchup on ice cream.

SmiTheReeNs*

07-22-2007, 05:06 PM

Enough love, I HATE the part where Tina's father pops out of the lake. It's so corny and unneccesary.

Quit hatin! :fuckoff:

Ron

07-22-2007, 05:16 PM

Quit hatin! :fuckoff:

the guys at the bottom of a lake for years and he comes back looking perfectly fine with a little seaweed (yes apparently Lakes surrounding Crystal Lake have seaweed.:ballshot:

sCabbOy

07-22-2007, 05:29 PM

Lakes do have seaweed (it's not called seaweed) but yeah...lakes, rivers and such have grass that grows on the bottom so that's nothing off.

Melanie Jarvis

07-22-2007, 08:21 PM

Nancy Thompson

07-22-2007, 08:52 PM

Actually the basement scene is my favorite in the movie. How Jason looks SUPER-pissed off at Tina, how he rips the nail out of his head, how he moves his jaw back and forth. The best is when he falls through the floor and later we see him open his eye and move it around!

Yeah! Melissa is just oblivious to the whole situation.

The basement Scene was also one of my favs in the movie that and the sleepingbag killed. And yess Jason look super pissed off at Tina and also loved how his jaw move back and forth. Kane did a kick ass job playing a pissed off Jason

Joshg

07-22-2007, 09:24 PM

The telekinesis was cheesy and a dumb idea, but iot didn't fall entirely flat. Which is odd. In a psychic movie, you'd think that would be the downfall. But no. That was the least of its worries. Well, maybe not the least,

Shoesalesman

07-22-2007, 09:49 PM

Part 7 is the only F13 movie that came after Part 4 that doesn't piss me off. Well, I hated the telekinesis thing, but other than that, it just seemed a little more like parts 1-4 which were the best of the series IMO.

I thought the telekinesis was a good idea; maybe not the best, but they were running out of ideas at this point in the series.

Melanie Jarvis

07-22-2007, 10:12 PM

I think I would have liked it more if it hadn't already been done in Carrie.

sCabbOy

07-22-2007, 10:28 PM

Running out of ideas is a funny thing to think about. What really can be done in a Friday The 13h movie? The same thing was done in 1,2,3,4 and 6. 5 was the only original piece since Part 1. I liked the telekinesis idea, the movie as a whole was drab and boring for me but it did have great moments.

Joshg

07-22-2007, 11:49 PM

Yeah.

If someone told me "this Friday the 13th has a girl with telekinesis, and moves things with her mind to fight Jason", I would have said "Worst. Movie. Eveeeeeeer."

But that didn't factor in its badness. In fact, I still like it. Just...there was so much potential.

girlychaos

07-23-2007, 01:08 AM

When you say it like that it does sound cheap. But I like it a lot too...Tina is a great character IMO.

Shoesalesman

07-23-2007, 03:09 AM

I'm glad they made Tina into a flawed character, not some Rambo type vixen dressed in skimpy leather (although that would be nice too :D ). Her shortcomings; the guilt about her father, her relationship with the doctor, her mental health, for example, gave the character a sense of reality and I gave a damn because of it.

girlychaos

07-23-2007, 03:43 AM

I see what you mean...I agree. The way the character was built shows us she's just another girl with a lot going on...of course there is the telekinesis part which makes her "different". But she was clearly trying to learn how to use her "powers" and she had problems doing it a couple of times.

Mr. Undertaker

07-23-2007, 06:48 AM

actually i think she wanted to keep her power supressed, the doctor was the one who keeped pushing her to move stuff with her mind.....

girlychaos

07-23-2007, 06:58 AM

Yeah....cause his intentions were not exactly good... $$$!

Mr. Undertaker

07-23-2007, 07:04 AM

hehehehe...... but between us.... daddy coming out of the lake with no degradation was bad....real bad....

The New Blood

07-23-2007, 07:07 AM

yeah it sucks seeing Jason being all bad ass and cool looking, then he gets pulled down by some corny ass looking dude.lol

CampNewBlood

07-23-2007, 07:16 AM

I feel the same way. The ending with Jason pulling the fisherman in was way better. It was more believable than a 15 years prior dead dude looking like he just woke up from a nap.

Mr. Undertaker

07-23-2007, 08:18 AM

:lmao: he just remembered that he missed his daughter's prom.... that's why he was all fancy (considering....)

CampNewBlood

07-23-2007, 08:21 AM

I guess so......I think Tina missed her prom too bein' locked up in a mental hospital.

Atleast Carrie go to go to her prom...:D "They're all gonna laugh at you. They're all gonna laugh at you."

Mr. Undertaker

07-23-2007, 08:38 AM

:lmao: imagine a fight between them? I wouldn't wanna be Travolta!

girlychaos

07-23-2007, 08:41 AM

I guess so......I think Tina missed her prom too bein' locked up in a mental hospital.

Atleast Carrie go to go to her prom...:D "They're all gonna laugh at you. They're all gonna laugh at you."

:lol:

Gosh....you guys are really funny! And yes...the way Tina's dad looks is bad...I mean....too good. :)

Deathscythe

07-23-2007, 08:44 AM

I actually liked Tina, probably my favorite Friday the 13th heroine.

girlychaos

07-23-2007, 09:04 AM

I liked her too...I mentioned it a few posts above.

CampNewBlood

07-23-2007, 09:07 AM

Yea I like her too. Didn't she (Lar Park Lincoln) even go so far as to write a script of her own for a Friday the 13th sequel dealing with her character after the events of Part 7?

SmiTheReeNs*

07-23-2007, 02:00 PM

hehehehe...... but between us.... daddy coming out of the lake with no degradation was bad....real bad....

Yea he came out with a clean white sweater and black dust on his face...but i didnt mind the ending..Jason popps out the water..why not somebody else do it and drag him down

Lammert

07-23-2007, 05:07 PM

The raw ending of the fishermen sucked, it looked rushed.

I saw Part VIII before Part VII, so I always wondered how he would get chained to the bottom again.. but Tina's dad just sucks, even the make-up one.

Rich

07-23-2007, 05:34 PM

I liked that ending with the fisherman. It was very Friday the 13th.

CosmoBubba

07-23-2007, 06:17 PM

See, my problem with the ending isn't that Tina's dad looked fine when he showed up; it's that he was there in the first place. You'd think somebody would have called 911 as soon as the dock collapsed, and the paramedics would have at least attempted to fish his body out of the lake. I just don't think anybody would have let his corpse float around for 15 years or however long he was there.

Rich

07-23-2007, 06:24 PM

He wasn't really there all that time. I see that at being his ghost.

The Tall Man

07-23-2007, 11:19 PM

:lmao: imagine a fight between them? I wouldn't wanna be Travolta!
OHMAHGAWD! :D

T.M.

Autobotsdie

07-23-2007, 11:29 PM

I liked that ending with the fisherman. It was very Friday the 13th.

I forgot about the fisherman part. But it raises a question though. If Jason was still moving around then how come in part 8 he was at the bottom of the lake unchained and unconscience?

Darth Sinister

07-24-2007, 02:44 AM

Jason wasn't chained in JTM. He was pinned underneath a pile of debris. Though Tina's father used the chain to drag him back under the lake, we do not see the chain at all in JTM. In fact, as I said, it was debris. Looks like the remains of the original dock when Mr. Shepard fell to his death.

As to the body being under there, the police might've had a hard time finding his body. That is if you assume the body was still there and that wasn't a manifestation of Tina's abilities.

In regards to the fisherman ending, had that made into the theatrical print, then the eighth film would've probably started with Jason being active again. Rather than being at the bottom of the lake.

The Tall Man

07-24-2007, 03:53 AM

Darth, go back and look. He's chained to the dock debris underwater. And as he swims to the surface you see the chains fall to the bottom again.

T.M.

Utellme

07-24-2007, 04:20 AM

Darth, go back and look. He's chained to the dock debris underwater. And as he swims to the surface you see the chains fall to the bottom again.

T.M.
Maybe then slid and fell off Jason's neck on the way up out.

The Tall Man

07-24-2007, 05:12 AM

You really think someone was paying attention to the chain around Jason's neck in Friday 7? No, you can see how Jason is chained up at the bottom.

T.M.

Lammert

07-24-2007, 10:31 AM

I just don't think anybody would have let his corpse float around for 15 years or however long he was there.

I agree, and thinking about it makes Part 7 even more sillier then it already is...

SmiTheReeNs*

07-24-2007, 02:33 PM

Darth, go back and look. He's chained to the dock debris underwater. And as he swims to the surface you see the chains fall to the bottom again.

T.M.

Yea you can clearly see when Jason rises to the surface the chain falls to the river floor..IMO Tommy didnt even tell authorities about Jason being in the bottom of the lake he was home thats where Tommy wanted him to be

sCabbOy

07-25-2007, 12:26 AM

Yea you can clearly see when Jason rises to the surface the chain falls to the river floor..IMO Tommy didnt even tell authorities about Jason being in the bottom of the lake he was home thats where Tommy wanted him to be

That's plausible, but if that was the case Tommy would be in prison for muder since he would then be a suspect.

Besides that the lake would have been drug as a standard C.S.I..

CampNewBlood

07-25-2007, 12:30 AM

Exactly, the cops just let Tommy go?...no questions asked after all those murders? Their names must've been Sheriff Roscoe P. Coltrane and Deputy Enos Straight.

Utellme

07-25-2007, 01:42 AM

Darth, go back and look. He's chained to the dock debris underwater. And as he swims to the surface you see the chains fall to the bottom again.

T.M.
I just got done watching this part in JTM and i think its a combination of a few things some you mentioned.I think Jason was chained into the dock debris which would explain the chains falling to lake floor.And it's not like Tina's dad didn't rap the long chain loosely around Jason's arms etc several times this could explain the chains falling.Or the only thing left is bad filming which JTM has enough of that refer to Jason flash backs Jason with hair ? And at the end when Jason turns back into a little boy again ?

Darth Sinister

07-25-2007, 02:05 AM

Darth, go back and look. He's chained to the dock debris underwater. And as he swims to the surface you see the chains fall to the bottom again.

T.M.

Well, I've only watched this film three times, all the way through. But I could've sworn he wasn't chained up in the eighth film. Just pinned. I know Tina's dad drags him down with the chains, but not that he was kept there with it.

Exactly, the cops just let Tommy go?...no questions asked after all those murders? Their names must've been Sheriff Roscoe P. Coltrane and Deputy Enos Straight.

Uh, there were witnesses. Megan and all the children. They all can testify that Tommy didn't kill anyone, that it was a guy in a hockey mask. Thus the State Police would have no reason to hold Tommy for a long period of time, much less put the murders on him. Not with two dozen some witnesses. Not to mention that there's no way in hell Tommy could've ripped off Cissy's head, tore up Paula and killed Sheriff Garris the way he was eventually found.

SmiTheReeNs*

07-25-2007, 03:21 PM

I thought the samething there Darth..the children and Megan woulda cleared Tommy's name

sCabbOy

07-25-2007, 05:31 PM

Utellme

07-26-2007, 12:04 AM

Well maybe all authorities figured he's chain down there.Not going anywhere let him alone refer to part 4 when they moved him granted they had to but still look at that outcome.Refer to Tommy digging him up see what that caused 18 deaths.Only problem with this theory is what about between end of part 7 and beginning of part 8 when Jason's down there and i cant even come up with the answer either.Again does the novel say anything for part 7 or 8 ?

Wheatjedi

07-26-2007, 04:08 PM

Again does the novel say anything for part 7 or 8 ?

There are no novels for Parts VII or VIII.

Darth Sinister

07-26-2007, 08:57 PM

With no body of the murderer.... there would have been some problems.

So, the theory that the cops didn't know about Jason was bunk. However, it seems most of the L.E. in the area didn't believe Jason would/could come back after death so perhaps they didn't believe Tommy and hne (and Megan) went to a mental home for the notion that Jason was the killer.

Tommy might've been in doubt, but Megan Garris is the daughter of the late sheriff. You've also got about two dozen kids who wouldn't be insane and have no reason to lie.

Alas, it's a movie and shit like this was never even discussed within the writing of the script. So, when the credits ran Tommy, Meghan and everyone else jsut evaporated into air.

Their story was done and they went off away from Crystal Lake.

CampNewBlood

07-28-2007, 09:28 AM

Well that is some so-called law enforcement....leaving Jason's body in the water for 15 years until TNB.

And, whether they knew Jason committed the killings or not is beside the point. None of the murders would have happened to begin with if Tommy would have left Jason alone.

So Tommy is partially responsible....if not more so..than Jason is for all of the murders.

Charges should have been filed.

Desecration of a grave and destruction of county property.
Contributing to multiple deaths.
Interferring with police investigations.
Fleeing law enforcement.
Resisting arrest.

And in Megan's case:

Pointing a firearm at a police officer.
Fleeing from law enforcement.

SmiTheReeNs*

07-28-2007, 02:36 PM

Campnewblood aka Kojack!..i never really looked at that angle..but yea you are right! book'em Dano!

Rich

07-28-2007, 06:48 PM

Contributing to multiple deaths

That one you can't prove. He intentions were not to bring Jason back to life so he can do more murders. He intended just the opposite, to burn him and send him to hell for all time.

I agree with you on the others though.

Autobotsdie

07-29-2007, 03:09 AM

That would have been interesting. Jason walking around looking he was half burned and half decayed from all that time under water.

Utellme

07-29-2007, 03:13 AM

That would have been interesting. Jason walking around looking he was half burned and half decayed from all that time under water.
We did see Jason like this in part 7

CampNewBlood

07-29-2007, 07:11 AM

That one you can't prove. He intentions were not to bring Jason back to life so he can do more murders. He intended just the opposite, to burn him and send him to hell for all time.

I agree with you on the others though.

I don't have to prove anything. The facts speak for themselves. If he hadn't gone to the cemetary and dug Jason up, none of that would have heppened....therefore, he should be held accountable for his actions.

And about his intentions.....remember that old saying....."The road to Hell is paved with good intentions."

It doesn't matter whether he intended on any of it happening or not.....it DID happen as a result of his actions.

That's like someone driving drunk and killing someone...."I didn't mean to do it." Get real.

And on that note......all the murders in Part 7 and 8 can be contributed to Tommy's ignorance. Tina couldn't have resurrected Jason from the lake if he hadn't been put there by Tommy. Jason wouldn't have gotten shocked back to life in JTM if he hadn't been out of the cemetary to begin with.

So on and so forth......technical details I know, but true none-the-less.

Tommy in JL isn't all blame free.

Rich

07-29-2007, 06:54 PM

And about his intentions.....remember that old saying....."The road to Hell is paved with good intentions."

That is not true, and I'll prove it with this example: If you try to convict someone of murder, especially in the first or second degree, not only do you have to prove the actions, but you've also got to prove the intentions of the person.

As far as hell, I don't believe in such a thing. Life on earth is hell.

And on that note......all the murders in Part 7 and 8 can be contributed to Tommy's ignorance. Tina couldn't have resurrected Jason from the lake if he hadn't been put there by Tommy. Jason wouldn't have gotten shocked back to life in JTM if he hadn't been out of the cemetary to begin with.

With all due respect, that is starting to sound a little silly. That is like saying lock OJ Simpson's mother up for his crime, because it wouldn't have happened if she had never given birth to him.

Utellme

07-29-2007, 07:06 PM

I don't know what earth you live on ? But mind has freedom,love family etc ,etc unlike other countries who has it far worse off then us.As for these movies this law stuff is way to deep for me and the Fr 13 movies.I watch them with a open mind to enjoy them.

Rich

07-29-2007, 07:19 PM

don't know what earth you live on ? But mind has freedom,love family etc ,etc unlike other countries who has it far worse off then us

I am not sure what you are responding to and/or what you are trying to get at here. :)

Utellme

07-29-2007, 07:26 PM

Just that earth is not as bad as it could be we only live once enjoy it thats all. I don't mean no harm just all ways try to have a positive outlook on anything wether its life or movies etc it's all good.

Rich

07-29-2007, 07:29 PM

Well, okay then. Power to positive thinking. I don't know what that has to do with Friday the 13th Part VII discussion, but power to positive thinking anyway.

:funky::bang::dog:

Utellme

07-29-2007, 07:33 PM

The positives would be Kane as Jason and Jason's new look

CampNewBlood

07-29-2007, 07:36 PM

That is not true, and I'll prove it with this example: If you try to convict someone of murder, especially in the first or second degree, not only do you have to prove the actions, but you've also got to prove the intentions of the person.

As far as hell, I don't believe in such a thing. Life on earth is hell.

With all due respect, that is starting to sound a little silly. That is like saying lock OJ Simpson's mother up for his crime, because it wouldn't have happened if she had never given birth to him.

It doesn't sound as silly as you trying to disprove everything people say on this forum now does it.

And as far as Hell is concerned, just because YOU don't believe it doesn't mean it isn't true.

And OJ Simpson has nothing to do with what we are talking about. I couldn't care less about him. The topic at hand is Friday the 13th....NOT your beliefs on Hell.

SmiTheReeNs*

07-29-2007, 07:59 PM

*high 5's CampNewBlood* this guy is definitely a wack job!:dead:

BlakeTyner

07-29-2007, 08:10 PM

Alright, guys, settle down in here or I'll have to turn this car around!

:side:

/Moderator

Rich

07-29-2007, 09:16 PM

I only stating my own opinions and backing them up with reasons. CampNewBlood, relax, I have nothing against you or our opinions...just stating my own. I am sorry if I came across otherwise. :)

We're all friends here.

Alright, guys, settle down in here or I'll have to turn this car around!

Agreed.

To try to get this discussion back onto Friday 7. What does everyone think of Tina's mother's acting? I thought she really nailed her part in some places (like when she was listening to the tape and first discovered what the doctor was doing) but I thought she lacked a little bit on other areas (such as when she and the doctor were in the woods and she found the car). What do you guys think?

SmiTheReeNs*

07-30-2007, 12:02 AM

We're all friends here.:lmao: that was real funny
Didnt you say that it isnt wise to speak for other people?;)

CampNewBlood

07-30-2007, 07:09 AM

Alright, guys, settle down in here or I'll have to turn this car around!

:side:

/Moderator

Rich...I have nothing against you either. And I am just stating my opinions as well. Let's just leave it at that.

Blake....I agree with you. I shall refrain from saying anymore on the issue. :)

Thanks Smithereens. :D

Rich

07-30-2007, 07:41 AM

So, about that actress, who played Tina's mother...does anyone have any opinions?

I also really liked the usage of the music in this one. Every musical piece was placed excactly perfect and created, what I think, is an awesome feel for the movie. Opinions anyone?

Deathscythe

07-30-2007, 07:58 AM

I like the music in this too, easily one of my favorites.

Btw, would anyone have liked it better if Jason exploded in the house and died instead of being dragged down the lake by Tinas father?

CampNewBlood

07-30-2007, 08:04 AM

I like the music in this too, easily one of my favorites.

Btw, would anyone have liked it better if Jason exploded in the house and died instead of being dragged down the lake by Tinas father?

I never though of that Deathscythe. That would have been a better ending by far.

SmiTheReeNs*

07-30-2007, 01:45 PM

If Jason woulda died in the house explosion we wouldnt have had JTM but then again Part 8 was a horror in itself..i prolly would have been upset Jason dying like that

Lammert

07-30-2007, 01:49 PM

His 'death' in Part 7 just didn't make any sence... and to me just as much sence as Part 8's turning-into-boy ending.

SmiTheReeNs*

07-30-2007, 02:03 PM

Lammert

07-30-2007, 02:08 PM

Yeah, and what about Nick? Did Jason's trow knock him out?

SmiTheReeNs*

07-30-2007, 02:20 PM

Thats what it seemed Lam..nick fell on the row boat and got KO'ed until he woke up in the abumlence asking what happened to Jason

Lammert

07-30-2007, 02:21 PM

I forgot he landed in that boat... yeah, so its obvious he was knocked out.

Rich

07-30-2007, 05:58 PM

would anyone have liked it better if Jason exploded in the house and died instead of being dragged down the lake by Tinas father?

That would have been awesome if you want to definitively end the series with Part 7. The only reason I like the way then ended it better is because Jason is back down in the lake and in my brain of canon Friday thinking, Jason basically comes out of the lake and will always haunt the area of Crystal Lake. Plus is leaves room for fan fics to continue and the ability, though this will never happen, to make a proper sequel featuring the zombie version of Jason that pics up where this film left off. I do like your idea though. In a way that would be ending the series the right way in my opinion. Jason would have truely gone out on top.

His 'death' in Part 7 just didn't make any sence... and to me just as much sence as Part 8's turning-into-boy ending

Basically he was dragged under water again, and as I believe Jason basically crawls out of the lake and continues to haunt the area forever. To me this is the last canon entry to the series.

Jason was pulled down with no struggle or anything

Tina's father wraped a chain around Jason's neck. Basically it was either wall back or loose his head. :) I have always imagined my own extended ending to this movie where Jason and John actually have a battle under the water and of course Jason wins and continues to stalk the Crystal Lake area for all time.

nick fell on the row boat and got KO'ed until he woke up in the abumlence asking what happened to Jason

Yes, because Jason pushed him back, and he probably hit the back of his head on a piece of wood or one of those benches or something.

SmiTheReeNs*

07-30-2007, 08:31 PM

I dunno i never seen somebody get beheaded cuz somebody was gettin choked by a chain no less..The extended version i would like to read cuz it wasnt far that Jason got brought down that easily..BTW how the hell did tinas day get chains anyway? what ali from Part 3 passed it out to him or somethin?

Utellme

07-31-2007, 02:57 AM

It really wasnt a death more of Jason gettin contained at the bottom of the lake again! What got me ticked was that Jason was pulled down with no struggle or anything:shifty: We got to see Tina faint and go by her point of view
Are you saying you would of rather seen Jason' POV instead of Tina's ? Cause if you are thats good never gave that a thought.They could of showed us Jason and Tina's dad fighting with him knocking Jason out cutting of air with the chain etc.

As far as Jason surviving the house explosion if he wouldn't of we would all be saying whens part 8 coming out ? No more Jason we wouldn't be happy that way either.Same goes for the way he was brought back to life in part 6 a lot of you die hard human Jason fans and maybe even zombie Jason fans can't stand these ways he keeps coming back but Jason has to like it or not agree with it or not there going to be13 of these films not including remake, prequel,Jason vs.

As far as the whole human Jason he survived somethings that a human just don't survive like drowning.I like both Jason's they got to throw twist to it or we would complain about part 2,3,4 done 9 more times some of you may like that but as a whole the series would be done for good with no help left.

The New Blood

07-31-2007, 03:00 AM

As far as Jason surviving the house explosion if he wouldn't of we would all be saying whens part 8 coming out ? No more Jason we wouldn't be happy that way either.

If part 7 had ended with Jason dying the house explosion, I'm sure we would still have had a part 8 anyway, except it would have began with Jason getting out of the charred remains of the house or something like that.

Darth Sinister

07-31-2007, 03:54 AM

So, about that actress, who played Tina's mother...does anyone have any opinions?

About what?

Fun fact, Susan Blu does voice work and is a casting director as well. She's best known as the voice of Arcee on Transformers, both the animated movie and the third season. As well as the new upcoming animated series.

CampNewBlood

07-31-2007, 08:52 AM

The music on Part VII.....to me, they used Manfredini's "ki ki ki ma ma ma" WAAAY too much and it kinda lost it's punch that it normally has.

I mean, we here it constantly after the action gets going and it kinda gets repetitive.

They should have used it accordingly---and sparingly. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Harry's original score but...you guys have to know what I am talking about.

Autobotsdie

07-31-2007, 10:11 AM

They should only use that ki ki ki ma ma ma thing only when Jason is about to kill someone.

SmiTheReeNs*

07-31-2007, 02:14 PM

Are you saying you would of rather seen Jason' POV instead of Tina's ? Cause if you are thats good never gave that a thought.They could of showed us Jason and Tina's dad fighting with him knocking Jason out cutting of air with the chain etc.

Exactly Utell..i woulda loved to see the struggle between himself and Tinas dad..i mean Tinas dad was that powerful? Jason just let her dad tie him down at the bottom of the lake? we're basically left bamboosled IMO

Utellme

07-31-2007, 09:37 PM

If part 7 had ended with Jason dying the house explosion, I'm sure we would still have had a part 8 anyway, except it would have began with Jason getting out of the charred remains of the house or something like that.
Yeah if the movie ended with Jason in the explosion he would of had to go and hide in the woods or tool shed.And part 8 could of started the same way but only Jason would swim underwater over to the boat and from there it would all be the same part 8.

As for the Jason POV at the end instead of Tina's that would have been a lot better imo also.

sCabbOy

07-31-2007, 10:56 PM

Yeah, the KiKiMaMa should be used like it was in the first movie- only when the kilelr is lurking.

The New Blood

08-01-2007, 01:37 AM

Yeah, the KiKiMaMa should be used like it was in the first movie- only when the kilelr is lurking.

I agree that it was way overused in this movie.

Utellme

08-01-2007, 03:09 AM

I forgot about the fisherman part. But it raises a question though. If Jason was still moving around then how come in part 8 he was at the bottom of the lake unchained and unconscience?
I think if they would of used the fisherman ending the beginning of part 8 would have to start differently one way or the other they would of had no choice.

And i have looked all throught this thread maybe it's in the JLS thread but someone posted a scene of Jason in the tool shed that is in fangoria magazine.Can someone post that pic again Scab i know you have it im not sure if you posted it but someone did ?

Autobotsdie

08-01-2007, 05:15 AM

Yeah someone posted it when I asked how and where he got most of the weapons he used so fast especially in the woods.

Rich

08-01-2007, 11:53 AM

I like when the kikikimamama is used for stalking as well as murdering because if it is used for ust murdering it would make every murder too predictable.

When I hear that sound I would rather think to myself "I wonder if this guy is going to get it next," rather then, "obviously this person is going to get it next."

Plus I loved the sound and thought it was way underused in Jason Lives which hurt the movie big time for me.

sCabbOy

08-02-2007, 05:45 PM

In the original, everytime the killer was lurking kikimama played. However you don't know that because some were merely from back POV shots and such.

Now it's predictable, but it's sort of impossible not to be.

Utellme

08-02-2007, 08:27 PM

The scene that was cut from the film where Jason is in the tool shed.Where did that fit into the movie ?

sCabbOy

08-02-2007, 08:53 PM

In CLM they mentioned cut scenes where Jason was walking around with a head in his hand like a trophy.

Autobotsdie

08-02-2007, 11:11 PM

That would've been nice seeing Jason walking around with a head in his hand.

Darth Sinister

08-03-2007, 02:02 AM

Bwa-ha-ha-ha!

That would've been good.

Autobotsdie

08-03-2007, 03:51 AM

Another thing I wuldn't mind seeing is somehow Jason can hear his mothers voice telling him to kill.

driftingsun

08-03-2007, 06:12 AM

Just finished watching this one in its entirety, for the first time. I actually liked it quite a bit, I thought it was far superior to JL in terms of story, background music, and settings (even though they filmed it in Alabama, and not New Jersey like the early films). I don't recall JL using the trademark Manfredini score very effectively. Another thing that I liked about this one is you can hear Jason breathing when he is stalking someone, or from a prowler pov shot (they actually had a couple ones in this film), the breathing almost sounded like the same in part II, when Jason is hiding around in the woods. Although, I guess I would ask, why does zombie-Jason need to breathe? Just out of habit maybe? For that matter, why does zombie-Jason feel pain or discomfort, as in when he is set on fire, or when he is being strangled by the light fixture cord? Perhaps it is just all reflexive action on his part, resulting from memories.

The Tall Man

08-04-2007, 12:31 AM

I don't recall JL using the trademark Manfredini score very effectively.
You're kidding right... other than a few tracks by Molina, 7 is scored almost exclusively with Manfredini's 6 score.

T.M.

Rich

08-04-2007, 05:58 AM

You're kidding right... other than a few tracks by Molina, 7 is scored almost exclusively with Manfredini's 6 score.

T.M.

That is not altogether true. They used a lot of Part 2/3 and Part 5 music in there. Well they did probably used the same amount of 2/3, 5, and 6. For the most part, all of 7's music is basically old recycled music, which is a good thing, because the music after Part 7 was never ever as good. As a matter of fact, most of it just plain sucked.

Utellme

08-04-2007, 04:22 PM

Yeah someone posted it when I asked how and where he got most of the weapons he used so fast especially in the woods.
Where would that scene fit in the movie ?

sCabbOy

08-04-2007, 08:32 PM

That would've been nice seeing Jason walking around with a head in his hand.

Isnt there a pic in CLM of it?

Utellme

08-04-2007, 08:44 PM

Isnt there a pic in CLM of it?
Yes there is on page 182 ,i think this pic is also in fangoria but im not 100% sure.

Darth Sinister

08-04-2007, 09:02 PM

I haven't seen TNB in a while, but I believe there is more of ANB and JL, with bits of the first two mixed in. However, the ratio is more Molin to Manfredini.

Autobotsdie

08-04-2007, 09:46 PM

Where would that scene fit in the movie ?
I don't know but it was in there and it was cut out.

Utellme

08-04-2007, 10:06 PM

Yet another scene that shoud not have been cut espically being Jason on screen time.I don't think this scene is on the box set or in CLM.

Autobotsdie

08-04-2007, 10:12 PM

You woud be suprised at some of the scenes they take out of these movies.

Utellme

08-04-2007, 10:21 PM

Good old MPAA After the original, Friday the 13th's have been cut a lot especially 2,3,5,7.Tom McLoughlin wanted release a uncut version of JLS and Kane Hodder has a uncut version of TNB.

Autobotsdie

08-04-2007, 10:23 PM

some of it when you look at the movie doesn't make sense until you,ve seen the deleted scenes then it makes sense and make you mad that they cut that part out.

sCabbOy

08-04-2007, 11:26 PM

Can't fully blame the MPAA. MPAA never says "cut this or that", they suggest certain things. Directors need to be blamed for not shooting scenes differently, or alternatively that may be cut. By part 7 they should have known better.

The Tall Man

08-05-2007, 03:43 AM

Utellme

08-05-2007, 04:08 AM

Scab, in Fango, Tom McLoughlin said he shot three different versions of each of the deaths.

Rich, I'm listening to the Friday 7 score and most of what I'm hearing is the JL score. Please let me know where there was 2/3 and 5 music.

T.M.
Yes and no on the directors fault, yes your right cause they should know what is gonna get cut.No because they want to push the envelope cause if they go to MPAA with a film that would constantly be ok then films would even get weaker and weaker.Besides they also do this thinking that we will get a version of it but we never do and thats not the directors or MPAA fault there.

As for part 7 score im gonna have to check out this score.I thought there was a lot of a slower darker tone to the score in spots but i still thought there was some of the other Friday the 13th's mixed through it also 1-6.

Rich

08-06-2007, 10:30 PM

Rich, I'm listening to the Friday 7 score and most of what I'm hearing is the JL score. Please let me know where there was 2/3 and 5 music.

During one of the chases through the woods, I don't remember if it is Dr. Crews/Amanda, or Maddy, or Nick and his girlfriend, but one if not two, of those chases features the Friday the 13th Part 5 music that was the opening to the movie during Tommy's dream where he is walking in the rain through the woods.

During the scene where you see Jason walk up to the house and pull the wires to cut the power, that is music from Friday 2 and 3.

Remember a score on cd or a downloaded score could be different then what is in the film, because they change music a lot in editing rooms. Just ask the musician of Halloween H20.

Those are the only two I can think of right now. I don't remember what music was used in Jason's POV shots.

The Tall Man

08-07-2007, 12:10 AM

Rich, you don't have to tell me about scores. The score I have is a boot taken from what appears to be the score track direct from the movie. I don't pretend to understand how it works or where it came from, I just have it.

T.M.

SmiTheReeNs*

08-07-2007, 02:48 PM

Scores from 3 and 4 were definitely mixed in to TNB..im kinda surprised they didnt push that erie music when Jason was lookin up to the house in Part 3 after he shot Vera in the eye with the harpoon

sCabbOy

08-07-2007, 03:12 PM

What I understood is that Tom said in hindsight he now shoots 3 different versions based on his experiences with Jason Lives?

At any rate the gore in Jason Lives is just fine.

The Tall Man

08-07-2007, 08:26 PM

Scab, at the time of JL's release, there was a article in Fango covering all the cut gore and Tom said there that he shot three different versions of the kills for JL... a PG-13 version, an R-rated version, and an X-rated version.

T.M.

Utellme

08-07-2007, 10:15 PM

All right got done watching this film paying close attention to the score.And i hear a little of 1-6 mixed in.I hear some new part 7 music and some of the older music with either a slower ,darker,faster sound to it

SmiTheReeNs*

08-07-2007, 11:01 PM

I think the best POV shot and the "ki ki ma ma" scenrio was when Jason was attacking Ben and his girfriend while doing the wild thang in the van..plus his kills were very artistic (crushing head and party blower in eye)

CampNewBlood

08-08-2007, 09:10 AM

Was that really Walt Gorney narrating the opening?

Jigsaw

08-08-2007, 09:11 AM

Was that really Walt Gorney narrating the opening?

It sure was.

CampNewBlood

08-08-2007, 09:24 AM

That's pretty cool.

Is that in CLM? I haven't gotten to Part 7 in the book yet.

Jigsaw

08-08-2007, 09:25 AM

I don't remember if CLM mentioned it or not. I know it's been circulating for a long time though.

Autobotsdie

08-08-2007, 11:37 AM

I don't see how that guy that was collecting wood didn't hear Jason come up behind him.

sCabbOy

08-08-2007, 01:56 PM

I don't see how that guy that was collecting wood didn't hear Jason come up behind him.

The script told him not to?:eek:

heh, I;ve always wondered that.

CampNewBlood

08-08-2007, 09:15 PM

And after he got the wood, he was walking like he was drunk or something.

Utellme

08-08-2007, 09:17 PM

It don't suprise me it just fits in with the rest of the bad acting or directing.

mjollner

08-11-2007, 09:55 AM

I just found this on youtube.
All the kills uncut along with a commentary track by John and Kane.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tF4VI5-lBQM&mode=related&search=

Pardon if this is old news.

Wheatjedi

08-12-2007, 06:43 PM

That's from the box set. :)

Rich

08-12-2007, 07:20 PM

I don't see how that guy that was collecting wood didn't hear Jason come up behind him.

What could he have done if he did anyway? That is why I think it doens't matter that much.

Maybe he was so preoccupied with being excited about getting laid by his girl that he tuned the rest of the world out. That is a big no no in Crystal Lake, but we have all certainly done that in our lives at times.

DRE

08-12-2007, 08:10 PM

During one of the chases through the woods, I don't remember if it is Dr. Crews/Amanda, or Maddy, or Nick and his girlfriend, but one if not two, of those chases features the Friday the 13th Part 5 music that was the opening to the movie during Tommy's dream where he is walking in the rain through the woods.

It was the Crews/Amanda chase that was taken from the ANB score, as well as everything from the van scene/Ben's death, Eddie's death and Michael's chase scene/death.

During the scene where you see Jason walk up to the house and pull the wires to cut the power, that is music from Friday 2 and 3.

Yes, that was first heard in Friday 2.

Those are the only two I can think of right now. I don't remember what music was used in Jason's POV shots.

I know where every cue in that film came from, but I didn't know a lot of it was unused cues from Jason Lives. Incidentally, there are no cues from Friday 3 or 4 that were created directly for those films.

Darth Sinister

08-12-2007, 08:54 PM

What? Are you saying there's no original cues in those films? Or cues from those films in TNB? Cause if it's the former, you're wrong.

DRE

08-12-2007, 09:38 PM

What? Are you saying there's no original cues in those films? Or cues from those films in TNB? Cause if it's the former, you're wrong.

The latter. There were no cues that originated directly from 3&4 in TNB. I'm quite aware of the reels that were brand new score in 3&4.

New Blood did actually have more Jason Lives music than the others, which is why I was able to construct MP3s based on how the music sounded in that film.

NETRA

08-22-2007, 04:42 AM

I don't see how that guy that was collecting wood didn't hear Jason come up behind him.

Maybe he thought it was his girlfriend and decided to let her "surprise" him.

While I'm thinking about those two, just let me say: They certainly weren't the most warm couple I've ever seen. Even when she's coming on to him she sounds pissed. "Okay you big hunk of a man, come and get me!" You half expect her to add, "Dumb ass!"

Cousin Michael and his girlfriend seemed to get along much better. Though Michael's clearly not too comfy around her because he felt the need to walk so deep into the woods to pee.

(This is what I do. I analise F13 relationships.)

El Rooto

08-22-2007, 06:00 AM

Friday VII had the potential to be really good but all the wrong people meddled with it: the MPAA, the producers, and just the morons who couldn't see anything more grand than "OMG just have Jason hit people with all kindsa shit".

SmiTheReeNs*

08-22-2007, 03:08 PM

Other then the deleted death scenes, Jason showed too much on cam, and the ending..TNB was solid..we got great continuity Jason and a feel of a Friday the 13th movie which would be the last IMO

Autobotsdie

08-22-2007, 03:27 PM

I agree that Jason did get a little too much camera time.

Utellme

08-23-2007, 10:14 AM

http://www.f13-community.co.uk

Does anyone know where exactly this scene would of fit in the movie ?

http://imgbolt.com/public/17774/f13-7-2.jpg

girlychaos

08-26-2007, 10:10 PM

I'm not sure, but isn't it in the wood shed where Maddy is hiding??

sCabbOy

08-26-2007, 10:34 PM

Yeah it was in the shed. I think I remember seeing the tools on the wall.

Utellme

08-26-2007, 10:38 PM

Yeah thats a given its in the shed.I was wondering where the scene would of been in the movie ?

sCabbOy

08-26-2007, 10:43 PM

Probably a promo shot, improv, or something.

Shoesalesman

08-27-2007, 02:34 AM

I agree that Jason did get a little too much camera time.

Maybe they showed him more often because he had some really cool "decaying" makeup on. But you're right, he was very visible compared to some earlier films.

Rich

08-27-2007, 06:47 AM

I think the camera time he got though made him kind of scary. I think of these particular scenes:

A) He stalks Michael and the girl, and you only see half the mask and the other half is behind shadows. That was a real Michael Myers moment.

B) You see him looking in from outside the window.

You see a lot of Jason in this movie, but Jason is taken seriously and he is used the right way in my opinion. This is definitely the best "zombie-Jason" movie.

NETRA

08-27-2007, 11:31 AM

Those were good moments Rich. But both examples are of Jason when he was somewhat obscured (by shadow or by window blinds). He's always creepier when he's not too "in your face."

SmiTheReeNs*

08-27-2007, 01:56 PM

Yeah thats a given its in the shed.I was wondering where the scene would of been in the movie ?

Utell that scene looks like when Maddy thought Jason left and she slithered back to where she was..Jason picked up that hook weapon and surprised Maddy for the kill

sCabbOy

08-27-2007, 04:15 PM

I'd disagree... TNB never even gave me a chill and of course now still doesn't. I never saw the movie as scary, creepy or anything. It's really not.

But the 2 scenes Rich mentions could have STILL be done the same way if Jason was always in the shadows like 2,3,4.

NETRA

08-28-2007, 06:50 AM

Right, Scab. That's what I was saying. Those two moments were good because Jason was shown in shadow or obscured by the blinds . . . Reminiscent of the "days of old." I prefer it that way too.

ChoKo

08-28-2007, 07:12 AM

But the 2 scenes Rich mentions could have STILL be done the same way if Jason was always in the shadows like 2,3,4.

I think by the time Parts VI and VII rolled around, the filmmakers realized that the F13th series couldn't really work as well anymore with the whole "killer lurking in the shadows" thing because we KNOW that it's Jason doing all the killing. It's not like Part 1 or Part 2 where we don't know who it is.

Now, don't get me wrong, I enjoy the "shadow lurking" Jason as much as anyone, but I think by that time it had been done to death, at least with the F13th series. Basically, I don't think there was a reason to hide Jason anymore; we all know that it was him doing the killing.

The bottom line is: People pay to see Jason; you can't hide him like you used to.

Sketch Sanchez

08-28-2007, 08:05 AM

I just watched the film today with the commentary on, I had always assumed I listened to it already but apparently not cuz I learned something new.

The scene where the stoner (i'm terrible with names) is in the kitchen when the power is out, lightning flashes and you can briefly see Jason standing in the corner. Kane pointed it out, and I'm serious when I say I've never noticed it before, ever. And this is coming from a guy who, at one point, watched the VHS everyday nonstop, for like a month.

Its actually a really cool shot.

ChoKo

08-28-2007, 08:11 AM

girlychaos

08-28-2007, 08:46 AM

I like it a lot too. The first time I noticed Jason there I paused it and everything....I really think it's a great shot.

Sketch Sanchez

08-28-2007, 08:54 AM

Hahaha, I did the exact same thing.

girlychaos

08-28-2007, 09:03 AM

:lol: I couldn't help it....I tend to do it a lot actually. Pausing and watching some scenes in slow-motion. I'm kind of addicted, you know? :)

Sketch Sanchez

08-28-2007, 09:24 AM

I totally do, I was that kind of person growing up.(still am) I used to pause my VHS tape of back to the future and watch the delorean travel through time that first time in slow motion cuz it was the coolest thing ever. Hell, I would pause Ghostbusters and watch them fire their proton beams in slow motion. I tend to do that alot with great fight scenes as well.

Kane Lives

08-28-2007, 09:28 AM

Kane pointed it out, and I'm serious when I say I've never noticed it before, ever.

Same here.

I had watched that film probably 100 times and never once saw it until I got the boxed set and listened to Kane and Beuchler's commentary track.

Utellme

08-28-2007, 11:23 PM

Utell that scene looks like when Maddy thought Jason left and she slithered back to where she was..Jason picked up that hook weapon and surprised Maddy for the kill
Thanks thats the only place i could come up with to.Or maybe it was right before Tina sees
Jason walking down to the road ?

Autobotsdie

08-29-2007, 12:54 AM

girlychaos

08-29-2007, 04:43 AM

Great now I'm going to have go back and watch it just so I can see that part.

It's worth it. You should pause it too...looks pretty cool. :)

Autobotsdie

08-29-2007, 04:58 AM

They should put that as an avater here.

Nancy Thompson

08-29-2007, 12:42 PM