The Blu-ray/HD DVD Thread (Blu-ray sweeps the board)

[Gringo Loco]

Hey folks. I have some breaking news. (Well it's news to me.) Starz Home Entertainment (previously Anchor Bay) recently announced several classic horror discs to come out this fall. Well now we have street dates and pics. See below.

Starz Home Entertainment (previously Anchor Bay) has entered the high-def arena with exclusive support for the Blu-ray Disc format. The company's first titles out of the gate will be stalwart catalog titles Evil Dead II, John Carpenter's Halloween and George A. Romero's zombie flicks Dawn of the Dead and Day of the Dead, all due in stores on October 2nd.

The second wave of titles follows on October 16th and includes the first two volumes of Showtime's Masters of Horror anthology series, each featuring three tales from the first season. Volumes 3 & 4 follow on November 13th and December 11th, respectively. Also look for Beowulf & Grendel, starring 300's Gerard Butler, due on November 6th.

Although final specs are still pending, you can expect 1080p transfers, uncompressed PCM 5.1 audio and identical supplements ported over from the standard definition DVD releases. Retail pricing is set at $29.97 per disc.

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From the looks of it, MoH will be divided by volume. This is good to me as I wouldn't want to buy the whole box set and also since I think there are only two good movies out of the whole bunch.

UPDATE: Toshiba dropping out
UPDATE 1-Toshiba to give up on HD DVD, end format war-source

By Mayumi Negishi and Kentaro Hamada

TOKYO, Feb 16 (Reuters) - Toshiba Corp (6502.T: Quote, Profile, Research) is planning to give up on its HD DVD format for high definition DVDs, conceding defeat to the competing Blu-Ray technology backed by Sony Corp (6758.T: Quote, Profile, Research), a company source said on Saturday.

The move will likely put an end to a battle that has gone on for several years between consortiums led by Toshiba and Sony vying to set the standard for the next-generation DVD and compatible video equipment.

The format war, often compared to the Betamax-VHS battle in the 1980s, has confused consumers unsure of which DVD or player to buy, slowing the development what is expected to be a multibillion dollar high definition DVD industry.

Toshiba's cause has suffered several setbacks in recent weeks including Friday's announcement by U.S. retailing giant Wal-Mart Stores Inc (WMT.N: Quote, Profile, Research) that it would abandon the HD DVD format and only stock its shelves with Blu-ray movies.

A source at Toshiba confirmed an earlier report by public broadcaster NHK that it was getting ready to pull the plug.

"We have entered the final stage of planning to make our exit from the next generation DVD business," said the source, who asked not to be identified. He added that an official announcement could come as early as next week.

No one answered the phone at Toshiba's public relations office in Tokyo.

NHK said Toshiba would suffer losses running to tens of billions of yen (hundreds of millions of dollars) to scrap production of HD DVD players and recorders and other steps to withdraw from the business.

Hollywood studios had initially split their alliances between the two camps, meaning only certain films would play on any one DVD machine.

The balance of power tipped decisively toward the Sony camp in January after Time Warner Inc's (TWX.N: Quote, Profile, Research) Warner Bros studio said it would only release high-definition DVDs in Blu-ray format. With that, studios behind some three-quarters of DVDs are backing Blu-ray, although some release in both formats.

Toshiba responded by slashing prices of HD DVD players, but the loss of retail support has hurt.

In addition to Wal-Mart, consumer electronics chain Best Buy Co Inc (BBY.N: Quote, Profile, Research) and online video rental company Netflix Inc (NFLX.O: Quote, Profile, Research) also recently signed up to the Blu-ray camp.

The exclusive backing of Microsoft Corp (MSFT.O: Quote, Profile, Research) was also put in doubt when the software giant said in January that it could consider supporting Blu-ray technology for its Xbox 360 video game machine, which currently works only with HD DVD.

Sony has spent large sums of money to promote Blu-ray in tandem with its flat screen TVs and its PlayStation 3 game console, which can play Blu-ray movies.

The Toshiba source said the experience would not be a total loss for the sprawling conglomerate, whose products range from refrigerators to power plants, which would learn valuable lessons.

"Marketing was a weak point for Toshiba. We learned a lot from HD DVD. Strengthening marketing will continue to be an issue for us going forward," the source said. (Reporting by Mayumi Negishi, Kentaro Hamada and Nathan Layne, editing by Mike Peacock)


http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssConsumerGoodsAndRetailNews/idUSL1643184420080216?sp=true

[Zombie]

i wonder how many times Halloween will be released on HD/BR-DVD ? that's one series I never bought on dvd just because of all the releases. again I will wait before buying this version due to probably having another version when Rob Zombie's Halloween comes out on dvd (hd & standerd). then for the 25th anniversary, etc...

the one i'm kinda looking fwd to is the high def release of dawn of the dead re-make. the standerd dvd was pretty good pic quality so the hd version should be great as well.

[Gringo Loco]

The only ones I'm interested in is Dawn of the Dead (original), Halloween, and Evil Dead II. I will wait until reviews get back on how the PQ and AQ are. The AQ is not a dealbreaker for me, but the PQ is. If it doesn't look better than the SD version, then what's the point? Plus, on topic of the audio, I won't refuse lossless 5.1 PCM or Dolby True HD.

Edit:

Also check this out: Return of the Living Dead - Blu-ray (http://www.amazon.ca/Return-Living-Dead-Blu-ray/dp/B000S0GYCK/ref=sr_1_1/701-1405386-0853966?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1184547182&sr=8-1)

It's only on Amazon.ca as far as I know but I might just have to import this. Again, pending reviews.

[The Dream Master]

Gringo, you wouldn't have to import that because Canada's in the same region. Chances are, it's either a glitch and it's not coming out at all or Amazon Canada got the info first somehow. I'm thinking that they've listed stuff before the US site, but I could be wrong.

[Biosynthnut v.2]

Blu ray is gonna kill me come october....I agree though it will come down to PQ for these flicks. I plan on getting the Dawn of the Dead 04 on HD DVD aswell.

Shooter got some good reviews for both on hidefdigest. Can't wait for 300...though I probably stick with the HD version since it has the film in Blue screen aswell.

[The Dream Master]

I'm getting Halloween and the Dead flicks. I guess I'll pick up ED 2, also, but it'll be annoying to have AOD and ED 2, but not the first ED in HD.

[jayTL]

I wonder what the special features are for them. I ask because it seems like they will follow the trend of dvd: come out with barely any features, and then special editions, etc.

[The Dream Master]

Good question.

Some HD-DVD/BDs have been packed with extras, while some have pretty much been bare-bones, depending in the studio. Also, for the most part, catalog titles have pretty much imported extras from the regular DVDs. It'll be interesting to see what AB/Starz does here.

[Gringo Loco]

I thought we were beyond the days of barebones until I rented Chicago. I was like WTF barebones bullshit?!!

I imagine it could go either way with Starz, but we won't know probably until closer to sells date.

[The Dream Master]

Extras aren't a big deal to me anymore. They certainly aren't a deal-breaker, that's for sure. Halloween in 1080p resolution with lossless, PCM sound? That's all I need right there.

[Gringo Loco]

Yeah screw blu-ray with all those great horror movies coming out. Man I don't want nothing to do with them. :lmao:

[Ron]

Yeah screw blu-ray with all those great horror movies coming out. Man I don't want nothing to do with them. :lmao:

i really hope you meant to say Blue Underground.:p

[Gringo Loco]

i really hope you meant to say Blue Underground.:p


Just a question, but are you telling me that Halloween, Dawn of the Dead, and Evil Dead 2 are not great horror movies?

[CampNewBlood]

I love Blu-Ray...I will be getting these titles.

On DigitalBits, they say that HD-DVD is getting desperate and trying to keep up with Blu-Ray and they're not doing it.

Honestly, I am hoping that Blu-Ray wins out over HD-DVD. And what I have read lately, that's not too far in the near futurue.

I am just partial to SONY and always will be.

[The Taff]

The longer this "Format war" goes on, the better. It just means that the two will be in healthy competion, meaning the hardware will get more advanced and cheaper as the two parties compete for the top spot.

Who wins in that instance? Us. If there wasn't any comepetition, shit would still be expensive as hell and not changing for a long time.

Until then, I have my cheap HD-DVD 360 add on to tide me over until someone comes out on top.

[Lammert]

I really don't think those old movies are going to be all that better thanks to Bluray or HD... I'll just wait and see what happens to dvd in the near future, so for now I'll just continue buying normal dvds.

[Ron]

Just a question, but are you telling me that Halloween, Dawn of the Dead, and Evil Dead 2 are not great horror movies?

Oh don't get me wrong, I love them, they're classics. I just refuse to ever give into the whole blu-ray thing.

[Biosynthnut v.2]

IGN gave 300 on HD 10/10 rating. Will be picking that up along with The Shooter. After that it's Shaun of the Dead and Hot Fuzz.

Once cheaper dual format players come out.. I still win.

[Gringo Loco]

I saw 300 in theaters and I was dubious from the get go, before the movie came out. It's not something I would watch over again, but at least it had eye candy in it. I wonder if the film grain that was very noticeable in the theater will show up on the HD formats.

As far as to what new movies I'm looking forward to, well the obvious horror discs listed above and also hopefully Spiderman 1-3 will be out this holiday season and Pixar's Cars as well. I still haven't seen Ratatouille but I bet that's good. Also the Stanley Kubrick collection and The Transformers movie I'm looking forward to as well.

[The Dream Master]

I really don't think those old movies are going to be all that better thanks to Bluray or HD... I'll just wait and see what happens to dvd in the near future, so for now I'll just continue buying normal dvds.

Lammy, old movies are absolutely improved with HD or BD. Film naturally has more detail and "resolution" (film doesn't really have "resolution" because it's analog, but you catch my drift) than any home format. HD is just one step closer to getting back to the level of detail provided by film. I watched Mutiny on the Bounty which is about 45 years old, and it looked stunning.

[Gringo Loco]

Well it looks like Bram Stoker's Dracula is due out on October 2nd. It feels like the Texas flood all over again!

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Sony/Disc_Announcements/Bram_Stokers_Dracula_to_Take_Bite_out_of_Blu-ray_this_October/802

Also there is a sale right now on Disney titles at Amazon.com, Buy.com, and Dvdempire.

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/High-Def_Retailing/Amazon/Amazon_Offers_Select_Disney_Blu-ray_Discs_at_46_Percent_Off_List/805

And last but not least, we all heard that Warner planned on bringing out the Stanley Kubrick collection in December. Well the news is so far no box set but I'm betting there will be one. And the date has been changed to October 23rd! Mothersucker my pockets are empty! I hope there is a box set as I would like to pick them all up and I don't want to pay $25 for each movie. Luckily I'm setting aside some money right now for when all these movies land in stores.

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Warner/Disc_Announcements/Warner_Announces_Quartet_of_Kubrick_Classics_for_B lu-ray,_HD_DVD_/807

[Biosynthnut v.2]

Hopefully they remaster FullMetalJacket. That movie looks fucking pitiful on HD and BRD. My dvd looks better upconverted.

Also Samsung announced its combo players BD UP5000 and HDT2(?). The BDUP5000 goes for 1,050, and the other goes for 1,400. Quoted as the Hometheater in a box. Both support HDMI1.3, PiP, 1080/24p(BRD only), no spec on BRD Java 1.1 or 2.0.

Alot more then what I was expecting...So looks like PS3 will be the way I go.

[Gringo Loco]

Well Denon just announced a Blu-ray player for $2000 that has BD profile 1.1 and DTS-HD MA. Although it doesn't come with an ethernet port. So if you can afford it, I would go with that.

[Zombie]

Well Denon just announced a Blu-ray player for $2000 that has BD profile 1.1 and DTS-HD MA. Although it doesn't come with an ethernet port. So if you can afford it, I would go with that.

You gotta be joking right? Who in their right mind would pay $2k for a Bluray Player???? :duh::eek:

[The Dream Master]

You'd be surprised. That's a lot of cash, but there are people out there with a lot of it who will buy it. I would if I had that kind of money to blow.

Anyway, my head is spinning from this flury of announcements. After a lull there during the middle of the summer, shit has picked up. I'm definately getting all of the Kubrick films.
ADDED:
Holy. Shit.

Close Encounters of the Third Kind to be released on Blu-ray. (http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Sony/Disc_Announcements/Spielberg_to_Hit_High-Def_With_Close_Encounters_Blu-ray/812)

All three versions of the film, no less!

[Gringo Loco]

On topic of the Denon Blu-ray player: I would totally buy a $2k player if I could afford it and it was a good player. I wouldn't buy one for the sake of buying one. But the Denon has everything I could ask for outside of an ethernet port.

As for Close Encounters, that's just another blow to HD DVD. I wonder if Spielberg has any plans for Jurassic Park? I can't wait for that to hit Blu-ray even though it's a Universal title.

[The Dream Master]

For all I care, Jurassic Park could never come out as long as we get Jaws. I really like JP, but Jaws is the Spielberg film I must have.

One thing is for sure, if Universal were smart, they'd find some way to get Spielberg to allow them to release something this fall, be it ET, Jaws, or JP.

[Gringo Loco]

I'm not a real big fan of E.T. or Jaws, but I think that's because a) Jaws was before my time b) the last time I saw E.T., I was a kid and I don't have any interest to watch it again c) E.T. has Drew Barrymore in it. :side: and d) I haven't seen either in their anamorphic state.

And the news keeps coming in. First, Twilight Zone: The Movie has been announced for an October 9th release. It will be released on HD DVD and Blu-ray.http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Warner/Disc_Announcements/Twilight_Zone:_The_Movie_Bound_for__HD_DVD,_Blu-ray_This_October/809
Second, beginning August 1st. Microsoft has dropped the price of the HD DVD add-on for the 360 to $179 and also is throwing in 5 free HD DVDs with a purchase. Xbox 360 add-on lower price (http://http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Xbox_360/Microsoft/Microsoft_Reduces_Xbox_360_HD_DVD_Player_Price_Add s_Five_Free_HD_DVDs_/811)

Personally I feel the price drop is too little to make a dent in the HD war.

Also, I know I sound like a broken record, but I'll be picking up Twilight Zone up. This movie scared me when I was a kid; I hope it has aged well.

"That's all, Ethel!"

[Biosynthnut v.2]

Cool that it's being released I own it on DVD and probably watched it about 4 times since the spec.ed. cameout. So most likely not gonna buy it.

Jaws, JP, Saving Private Ryan, and Indiana Jones is all I want from Spielberg.

[The Dream Master]

If I had it my way, we'd get Jaws, the Indy Trilogy, and Empire of the Sun before any of Spielberg's other films, but I have a feeling we won't see those for a long, long time.

Gringo, Jaws came out like eight years before I was born, but it's timeless, my man. I've never met anyone who didn't like it. Seriously. Everyone loves Jaws. :D

[Gringo Loco]

Is there a special edition on DVD for Jaws? I might need to watch it as long as it's anamorphic. If not, I'll just wait until Universal goes blu heh.

[The Dream Master]

Yeah, the 30th anniversary disc that came out a couple of years ago is anamorphic, as was the 25 anniversary version. Go with the 30th, though. It's got the original mono soundtrack and the DTS remix if you have to listen to the 5.1 track. Also, it has quite possibly one of the greatest documentaries ever made on the second disc. I'm thinking it's real cheap now, too.

[Gringo Loco]

Yeah, the 30th anniversary disc that came out a couple of years ago is anamorphic, as was the 25 anniversary version. Go with the 30th, though. It's got the original mono soundtrack and the DTS remix if you have to listen to the 5.1 track. Also, it has quite possibly one of the greatest documentaries ever made on the second disc. I'm thinking it's real cheap now, too.


Hmm, I guess I'll give that a rent then. Thanks :)

[Deathscythe]

Wouldn't it be funny if Universal countered Halloween Bluray by releasing Halloween 2 on HD-DVD?

I'm surprised they haven't released Psycho in High Definintion yet.

[Gringo Loco]

Personally I think H2 is the suxxorz but that is just my opinion. I'll gladly take H1 over H2 anyday of the week.

I think one of the reasons Psycho isn't out on HD DVD yet is because it's a black and white film.

[Deathscythe]

I agree, Halloween is way better than Halloween 2.

BTW, doesn't Starz Entertainment also own the rights towards H4 and H5?

[The Dream Master]

I think one of the reasons Psycho isn't out on HD DVD yet is because it's a black and white film.

Good Night and Good Luck and Casablanca have both been released in HD, and both are black and white films. Universal has said that Hitchcock is in the pipeline. I wouldn't be surprised to see Psycho in the near future.

[Gringo Loco]

I agree, Halloween is way better than Halloween 2.

BTW, doesn't Starz Entertainment also own the rights towards H4 and H5?

They sure do. I can't wait for those either.

Good Night and Good Luck and Casablanca have both been released in HD, and both are black and white films. Universal has said that Hitchcock is in the pipeline. I wouldn't be surprised to see Psycho in the near future.

I had no idea. Is GN&GL out on blu-ray? I haven't really been following HD DVD releases and I don't think Casablanca is out on Blu-ray.

[The Dream Master]

Good Night and Good Luck is out on Blu-ray, but Casablanca isn't.

The big Blade Runner set has also been officially anounced (http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20070726005396&newsLang=en). That's going to be awesome.

[Biosynthnut v.2]

Samsung duo (http://http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=201201056)

Full spec. etc. I may get this instead...

[CampNewBlood]

Yea I am getting that Blu-Ray of Blade Runner.

Believe it or not, I have never seen that movie. I have always wanted to, but never have, so I will wait and get the Blu-Ray. :)

Universal needs to release Blu-ray movies. I love Alfred Hitchcock and would love to have a Hi-Def of 'Psycho' and 'Vertigo'.

Hopefully, as the Digitial Bits predicts, it won't be too much longer and Blu-Ray will come out on top as is predicted. Then, Universal will have no choice than to wake up and stop being idiots and release Blu-ray movies like basically every other studio is doing.

[The Dream Master]

CNB, you are in for an absolute treat once you see Blade Runner. The "Final Cut" is also going to be released theatrically. If it's released near you, I highly suggest you go see it there. I know I'll be willing to drive a reasonable distance to go see it, but I'm hoping that won't be necessary.

[Gringo Loco]

Hostel 1 and 2 due out October 23.

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Sony/Disc_Announcements/Sony_Serves_Up_the_Blu-ray_Carnage_with_Hostel_Double-Header/823

The first 'Hostel' will also feature the film's original ending, which was only seen during the film's original test screenings and is now much sought-after by die-hard 'Hostel' fans, and which director Eli Roth had this tantalizing tidbit to say at last week's ComiCon in San Diego:

"When you watch the director's cut ending -- this is the ending that could actually support a completely different sequel. We showed it to audiences and people just left the theatre genuinely upset and so we always said that we wanted people to be disturbed, but not, you know, ruined."

[The Dream Master]

Cool. If I recall correctly, the original Hostel was supposed to be released last month but it was delayed (along with just about everything else on the BD slate). I'm interested to see the new ending, that's for sure.

[Biosynthnut v.2]

Digital Bits has a pic of the Denon BR player.....who the fuck would want that in their home??? Fugly doesn't even do it justice.

Anyway picked up 300 on HD DVD. Simply amazing

[The Dream Master]

I picked up "300" on BD the other day, but I'm on vacation until Saturday. I'll probably watch it sometime after I watch Hot Fuzz on HD-DVD first.

[Biosynthnut v.2]

Picked up Shaun of the Dead, Big Lebowski, Mallrats,Frighteners, and some other flicks.

[The Dream Master]

Just a heads up: All the Anchor Bay/Starz titles are up for pre-order on Amazon. If you're eligible for the 10% off promotion, that still hasn't been applied yet. For $22 apiece, I don't think it's a bad deal at all.

[Gringo Loco]

Just a heads up: All the Anchor Bay/Starz titles are up for pre-order on Amazon. If you're eligible for the 10% off promotion, that still hasn't been applied yet. For $22 apiece, I don't think it's a bad deal at all.


Nice. Now I can put in my pre-orders. :D

[FreddyKR]

My dad was pushing towards Blue-Ray untill he found out that Smokey and the Bandit is on HD-DVD, so looks like we are getting HD. Though, Blue-Ray has some great movies.

[The Dream Master]

At this point, I'd have to advise anyone not in the game already to wait it out just a little bit longer. Even though I like the HD-DVD format and have owned it for over a year now, I'm not so sure how long it's going to be around with only Universal there to keep it afloat.

[Gringo Loco]

I really think it's a bad investment to buy into HD DVD but that is just me. Since November of last year, Blu-ray has really taken off and gained alot of ground from when both formats launched. And with the Winter coming and all of the blockbusters Blu-ray is ready to unload (not to mention all the great horror titles :saw: ) I can only see Blu-ray gaining more market share, making the win for them a reality.

[Deathscythe]

I'll jump on a high def format when I get a HDTV, and I think I can stay with my SDTV for a couple more years.

[Scarecrow]

DVD quality is fine as it is IMO. HD may be cool but it's hardly a massive leap in quality compared with VHS to DVD. "Wow my awesome picture quality is even awesomeer!" Woo-hoo.


- Scarecrow

[Biosynthnut v.2]

Yea but watching older films that look brand new PQ wise is pretty sweet. The only BR/HD movies that have sucky PQ is Full Metal Jacket and Christmas Vacation. It's like they transfered the orignal VHS copy over.

[The Dream Master]

I see a huge difference between the HD formats and standard DVD. As much as the difference between VHS and DVD? Possibly. The audio is do doubt a vast improvement, as it marks the first time ever where we can get uncompressed, lossless surround sound at home. You can't even get that in theaters, actually.

Bio, even though those two films aren't that impressive, they're still a noticable improvement over DVD for me.

[Gringo Loco]

I could never go back to just DVD. I like HD movies that much. I agree though Christmas Vacation looked like ass.

There is a deluxe edition of FMJ coming out this fall and I hope they have a new transfer on it, not some rehash of a transfer they used for VHS or DVD.

[The Dream Master]

Gringo, it's a new transfer. I think WB should offer a replacement disc for all of us who already bought FMJ the first time (like Sony did for The Fifth Element).

[Gringo Loco]

Gringo, it's a new transfer. I think WB should offer a replacement disc for all of us who already bought FMJ the first time (like Sony did for The Fifth Element).

It is? Got a link? I agree Warner should be ashamed of putting out that first disc when they are so gung ho about HD and now they have a newer transfer coming out and they should give a replacement for free.

[The Dream Master]

Damn, I must be going crazy. I could have sworn that I read confirmation that it's going to be remastered. I can't find it now.

[Gringo Loco]

Well I put in my order on Amazon. What do you guys think?


1 "Hostel [Blu-ray]"
Jay Hernandez; Blu-ray; $19.95

1 "A Clockwork Orange [Blu-ray]"
Michael Bates; Blu-ray; $19.95

1 "Eyes Wide Shut [Blu-ray]"
Stanley Kubrick; Blu-ray; $19.95

1 "Hostel Part II [Blu-ray]"
Edwige Fenech; Blu-ray; $27.25

1 "The Shining: Special Edition [Blu-ray]"
David Baxt; Blu-ray; $19.95

1 "Twilight Zone - The Movie [Blu-ray]"
Joe Dante; Blu-ray; $19.95

1 "Bram Stoker's Dracula [Blu-ray]"
Gary Oldman; Blu-ray; $19.95

1 "Halloween [Blu-ray]"
Brian Andrews; Blu-ray; $22.49

1 "Dawn of the Dead [Blu-ray]"
Ted Bank; Blu-ray; $22.49

[The Dream Master]

Ha, I knew I wasn't going crazy. From DVD Times:

Warner Home Video have announced the US Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD release of several Stanley Kubrick titles on 23rd October 2007. Launching alongside the new Warner Home Video Director's Series: Stanley Kubrick Collection on DVD are High Definition versions of 2001: A Space Odyssey, A Clockwork Orange, Eyes Wide Shut, The Shining and a new Deluxe Edition of Full Metal Jacket.

All titles have been restored and remastered and will offer both archive and new bonus features. Exact specs are to be confirmed, but initial details suggest all titles will use dual-layer BD50 and HD30 discs.

Nice order there, Gringo. I've ordered all the Kubrick films minus FMJ, but I haven't pre-ordered the AB titles yet because Amazon isn't applying my 10% discount yet.

[Gringo Loco]

Ha, I knew I wasn't going crazy. From DVD Times:



Nice order there, Gringo. I've ordered all the Kubrick films minus FMJ, but I haven't pre-ordered the AB titles yet because Amazon isn't applying my 10% discount yet.

I might have to add FMJ then. Although I'm tempted to wait for reviews to come in as FMJ isn't my most favorite movie.

[The Dream Master]

I'm going to wait for some reviews to come in for FMJ before I buy it again.

I've still got to order Twilight Zone and Dracula, too.

[jayTL]

Blu-Ray has more...but HD has Hot Fuzz, Shaun, and Big Lebowski...

but JayTL doesnt have an HDTV (nor enough money), so I can care less right now.

[The Dream Master]

Paramount Goes HD-DVD Exclusive (http://dvd.themanroom.com/dvd-newsview.php?id=678)

I can't say I saw this coming. HD-DVD has new life now, as far as I'm concerned, as Transformers should be a huge boost to the format.

However, it is interesting that they mention that the Indy films and Saving Private Ryan aren't part of the deal--I wonder if that means those are in the pipeline.

[Skott]

Paramount Goes HD-DVD Exclusive (http://dvd.themanroom.com/dvd-newsview.php?id=678)

I can't say I saw this coming. HD-DVD has new life now, as far as I'm concerned, as Transformers should be a huge boost to the format.

However, it is interesting that they mention that the Indy films and Saving Private Ryan aren't part of the deal--I wonder if that means those are in the pipeline.

Of course they're working on Indy for HD :) Anyway, a shot in the leg for BluRay but it won't cripple them. Microsoft and Toshiba are just dragging out the eventual demise of HD-DVD as long as they can. It's important that people understand this has NOTHING to do with quality, they WERE paid off by Microsoft with a shitload of money for this.

[The Dream Master]

Skott, I don't know how imminent a release of Indiana Jones is on either format. Lucas and Spielberg are notorious for dragging their feet when it comes to adopting new home video formats, and both are involved with Indy. It took 4 years for a Star Wars film to make it to DVD (and 7 years for the OT), and it took six years for Indy.

Of course, since part IV is coming out next year, I guess it is more possible.

[Deathscythe]

Doesn't Paramount own the rights towards the first eight Friday the 13th movies?

Heh, Halloween Blu-Ray vs. Friday the 13th HD-DVD.

[The Dream Master]

Yep, that means when Paramount gets around to releasing Friday the 13th, it'll be HD-DVD only. And the NOES series will more than likey be on both, because NLC has pleged dual support. That also means you'll be able to get the entire F13 series on HD-DVD as well. However, if you only have BD, you only get JGTH, Jason X, and Freddy vs. Jason.

[Skott]

Skott, I don't know how imminent a release of Indiana Jones is on either format. Lucas and Spielberg are notorious for dragging their feet when it comes to adopting new home video formats, and both are involved with Indy. It took 4 years for a Star Wars film to make it to DVD (and 7 years for the OT), and it took six years for Indy.

Of course, since part IV is coming out next year, I guess it is more possible.

Lucas would be the one to worry about, Close Encounters is already coming out on BluRay so it appears Spielberg isn't being picky. Anyway, Indy will be release either in time for Indy 4's theatrical release or to coincide with the home video release.

Doesn't Paramount own the rights towards the first eight Friday the 13th movies?

Heh, Halloween Blu-Ray vs. Friday the 13th HD-DVD.

Yeah, but I highly doubt F13th is even on the radar for Paramount when it comes to releasing films on HD.

[The Dream Master]

Lucas is the one I'm worried about, because it does look like Spielberg is warming up to HD with CE3K coming out. Hopefully he'll be able to convince Lucas to bring Indy out next year, but I doubt it.

Also, I anticipate Paramount releasing the first couple of F13 films on HD once the remake/sequel finally comes out. However, I wouldn't have been completely shocked to see the first film released this year around Halloween. If memory serves correctly, the first two came out on SD-DVD in '99, back when Paramount was adhering to the "two a year" release pattern.

[Gringo Loco]

I'm just waiting for a bigger bombshell to drop. I can't believe Paramount did this. Although I'm sure whatever the HD DVD group paid them is more than they would make a year on Blu-ray, which would be at least 1-2 million.

[The Dream Master]

Apparently, Paramount was paid $50 million to go exclusive. The big conspiracy theory going around is that Microsoft is behind this in an attempt to ensure that neither format ever takes off so downloadable HD media will take off. I'm not so sure I buy that, myself, but who knows?

[Gringo Loco]

Apparently, Paramount was paid $50 million to go exclusive. The big conspiracy theory going around is that Microsoft is behind this in an attempt to ensure that neither format ever takes off so downloadable HD media will take off. I'm not so sure I buy that, myself, but who knows?

Wow were they really paid that much? Got a link to the story? I find that insane and kinda hard to believe but then again not so much. For Microsoft, 50 million is almost a drop in the bucket though. It wouldn't surprise me if they did that.

[The Dream Master]

Wow were they really paid that much? Got a link to the story? I find that insane and kinda hard to believe but then again not so much. For Microsoft, 50 million is almost a drop in the bucket though. It wouldn't surprise me if they did that.

Yeah, here's the article from The Digital Bits (http://www.thedigitalbits.com/mytwocentsa141.html#dp).

[Deathscythe]

Spielberg's flims will be on both formats. (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/33722)

I then asked when the INDIANA JONES set would hit and if it would be exclusive to HD. Rob responded that on the films that Steven directs, he wants the titles to be available in both formats - so those will be cross-platform titles.

[The Dream Master]

Except CE3K can't be on both, as it's owned by Sony. Same thing with Jaws, ET, and JP--it's owned by Universal. I'm guessing that only refers to films that he himself can control under his Dreamworks banner. With Indiana Jones, it's even trickier, as George Lucas owns those films (and could conceivably appear on both formats). Given that this is from AICN, I'm guessing someone is just a bit misinformed about all this.

[Gringo Loco]

AICN can blow me. Harry is a tool.

Anyway, it seems like Microsoft paid alot more than $50 million. They paid $50 million to Paramount and $100 million to Dreamworks. Now I want Blu-ray to win, in a big way. I hope Spidey and co. kill this holiday season.

[The Dream Master]

Now Amir (Microsoft rep from AVS) is saying that Bill Hunt needs to retract his accusations about Microsoft paying off Paramount because it's not true. This is a huge clusterfuck, in my opinion.

I wish Bubba Sawyer were here, because he'd really be bringing the thunder right now.

[Gringo Loco]

Man I hate Amir. That guy is a clown. I wish Bubba was here also. :(

[The Dream Master]

I have no clue why Bubba hasn't decided to come over to this forum. I'll have to ask around and see if anyone's heard from him.

[Gringo Loco]

I might check later on the goodbye blog and see if he posted his info there. Or if you want you could check also. Even though he would get in heated debates with people, I liked having him around.

[Skott]

Lucas will go where the $$ goes. If HD-DVD isn't doing good he'll go both ways on the format war for sure. I don't have either yet but I will be getting a PS3 before the year is over so I will be supporting BluRay. I'm very upset Universal is on the HD-DVD bandwagon and I pray HD-DVD fails horribly by the time the get around to releasing Jaws. Although I wouldn't be surprised if Universal kept their Spielberg films (E.T, Jaws) for a last ditch effort to save HD-DVD.

[jayTL]

And this is why I didn't pick a side yet.

[hack slash]

Michael Bay not doing Transformers 2 because of the HD/BLU-RAY war?
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MICHAEL BAY DECLARES WAR
08.21.07
By Micah Robinson
Contributing sources: Shoot for the Edit.com

I’ve been lagging on the whole Blu-ray vs. HD-DVD battle for some time now being that I gave up my early tech adopting ways some time ago. In fact, HDTV itself has been a big disappointment to me until recently when Direct TV just launched a new satellite that’ll carry a buttload of new channels in the next couple of weeks and also when a most wonderful Atlanta chewer just parted with his slightly older, but still nice set (many thanks, Kurt) to make room for a Sony SXRD 1080p Jesus Box of a flat panel in his life. Shit’s nice, but just when I start enjoying a few progressive scan DVDs as they should be seen, I remember that now there is a new high-definition DVD format battle, and it’s silly as shit.


Nevermind the premium prices of all equipment and discs right now – we’re talking about trying to market two different, non-compatible types of superduper DVDs at once….when the vast majority of consumers haven’t even caught up with the old shit! So just like premium channels like HBO and Starz, you now have to choose a format based on the studios associated with it, rather than the quality, convenience, or price…you know, actual merits? Anyway, this idiotic feud just jumped to a new level of childishness. It all started yesterday when it was announced that Paramount and Dreamworks – who supported both formats initially – had agreed to go HD-DVD exclusively for the next 18 months in return for many tens of million in filthy lucre “promotional considerations” from the HD-DVD peeps, Microsoft and Toshiba (but mostly Microsoft). This started a chain reaction of rebuttals from fans of both formats, and one in particular is ready to take his ball and head the fuck home. I give you…Michael Bay.


Early this morning on his website forum, Bay kept it short and sweet by offering the following: “I want people to see my movies in the best formats possible. For them to deny people who have Blu-ray sucks! They were progressive by having two formats. No Transformers 2 for me!” It doesn't seem like he was joking (and he has yet to follow up in that thread), but I don’t think the story ends there. For one, Paramount has a notable exception to this policy in the form of Spielberg, who naturally has the juice to offer his material in any format he chooses (except for Sega CD, which I believe is prohibited by international human rights laws). Spielberg happens to be a producer on Transformers, and could likely get Bay’s flick out of harm’s way here. Yet, it appears that Bay is throwing down the gauntlet for the larger point of protesting the self-defeating divisions in this format war. That’s good…I guess. But it’s unrealistic.


Studios exist to make money, first and foremost, and at a time when they’re worried about everything from audience dissatisfaction to piracy, any amount of cash on hand – especially $150 million or so – is worth several times that much “in the bush”, so to speak. The duration of the agreement basically means that Paramount and Dreamworks are pocketing money to do what they’re going to do anyway – wait for a winner, and then jump full-bore on that train. They just had to weigh that money against what they thought they might make from Blu-Ray discs for the next year and a half, not to mention that they got lots of nifty extras in terms of manufacturing costs for their HD-DVD discs going forward.


While all of this is going on, a new front has opened in this war – digitally-delivered downloads. Already, notable video providers like Netflix have started offering downloads of their films, and both of the primary weapons in this war – The Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 – are online-connected with significant hard drives available. In the music biz, we’ve seen studios screw around with new formats and high prices only to have an outsider (iTunes) come along and take the reins of the profitable digital content lane as the physical product slowly dies off. Are we headed for a repeat when it comes to films with Apple, Sony and Microsoft jockeying for position? We’ll see.

[Zombie]

And this is why I didn't pick a side yet.

and this is why I got the PS3 and the 360 HD-Drive.
so for now, doesnt matter to me. just sucks being on hd-dvd because they are more expensive because the stupid combo disc's. and that also means no disc artwork.

oh well. what can we do? they dont care because either way it's gonna be purchased if you want HIgh Def movies at home.

I hope Michael Bay did really pull out of his transformers 2 movie because of this. maybe it'll get others and maybe put an end to the format war.

look at Spiderman and how much its going to LOSE not being avaliable on both formats. sure its going to do a killing anyways but think how much MORE they could rake in on both formats...

[The Dream Master]

To my knowledge, Paramount hasn't released a combo disc yet. Star Trek Seaon One is going to be combos, though.

As far as I'm concerned, the format war has done some good (HD-DVD made BD get its shit together in a hurry, and it helped drive prices down), but I think it's time that one format emerged. I'm in the camp that believes that HD media on disc will only survive if one format emerges. I honestly don't care which format wins out because I have both at this point. This move by Paramount hinders any chance of that happening in the near future, though.

Oh, and Michael Bay already retracted his statement regarding Transformers 2. I guess he remembered that he's going to get the deal of a lifetime to come back and direct it, whereas he'd probably see a few thousand dollars from the Transformers profits on BD.

[jayTL]

I know I havent picked a side and all, and probably wont...but it's kind of annoying to look around online and see all the outrage over the paramount deal by Blu-Ray fans/owners...about how it's not fair, etc etc. To be completely blunt, this is what people get for picking a side so early in a format war. Now I may get the 360 HD Drive, but thats not until i get a hd-tv...which wont be for a while...so *shrug*

[The Dream Master]

I think most people's anger about it arises out of the fact that Paramount was neutral and suddenly changed. I can kind of understand the anger, but hey, this stuff happens when money starts flying around. There was never any guarantee that Paramount was going to stay neutral, so that's the risk one takes.

[Biosynthnut v.2]

When I first heard this...I had the wtf look. But after reading everything it's still win for me. Cause I will still be having both formats in my house. Though I think the payout is a bit of a joke...150M??!! That's like a film budget. Honestly I wouldn't hold MS to this but Paramount and DW for accepting it.

Granted this has Bluray fanboys fuming and I find that hysterical. Sorry but get your noses out of sonys butts and enjoy the highdef formats and the movies they offer.

[The Dream Master]

Bio knows the score. Some people are just fanboys, pure and simple, and don't care about films. I bought both because I decided early on that I wanted to get the films available from every studio that's releasing in HD. It's the same philosophy I have with video games.

[Biosynthnut v.2]

Tremors is being released this nov. and picked up Dawn of the Dead today. Probably watch it tomarrow.

[The Dream Master]

Bio, I was about to ask you how you got DOTD a month early, but I just remembered the remake hit stores today. I need to pick that up.

Also, Tremors + HD-DVD = woot.

[Biosynthnut v.2]

Also found out that onsale.com will be offereing the Samsung BDP5000(combo) for 750!!
But don't know how reputable the site is. That is really a good deal though.

[Gringo Loco]

The first review (that I know of) of Halloween is out.

http://www.dvdreview.com/reviews/pages/2682.shtml

Even after almost 30 years, "Halloween" is still one of the most impressive horror films that never seems to lose its appeal, and is widely considered John Carpenters best film to date - although I have to admit that I personally prefer some of his later films over "Halloween" for their visual qualities.
Anchor Bay Entertainment has released countless incarnations of the film on DVD over the years and now for the first time in high definition, we have a Blu-Ray version of the initial antics of one of cinema's most lasting and most terrifying of predators – Michael Myers.

Originally titled "The Babysitter Murders" but renamed before its release in 1978, "Halloween" is the primordial of all slasher flicks. No matter which stalker film you watch today, each and every one of them builds upon the recipe established by Carpenter's film, although I certainly do not wish to diminish Tobe Hooper's impact on the genre with his "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" from 1974 here.

The film starts with a young boy, Michael Myers, killing his sister in a state of mental disorder. In this sequence look out for Carpenter's phenomenal use of the steadycam and the music that greatly enhances the ominously approaching menace directly from the boy's point of view. The scene when he puts on the mask is as simple as it is brilliantly effective.

As a result of the murder Michael is put in to a mental institute under the observation of Dr. Loomis (Donald Pleasance). After years of therapy Loomis gives up on the now teenage Michael Myers and wants to make sure he is never in his lifetime released from the institution, due to the threat he poses to human society. One night however, Michael manages to break free from the high security mental prison hospital. When arriving on the scene Dr. Loomis fears for the worst and makes his way to Haddonfield, the place where Michael grew up - but Michael has already targeted a new victim and slowly stalks his prey.

Much has been said about "Halloween" and it almost feels as is any additional word would be superficial. It is one of the most relentless and intense horror films ever made, and it carries many of Carpenter's stylistic trademarks that make him such an iconic filmmaker.

However, I doubt that you ever have seen "Halloween" quite like on this Blu-Ray Disc from Anchor Bay Entertainment. While the DVD versions did a great job in terms of color reproduction and overall clarity, this high definition transfer adds an entire new dimension of detail to the presentation. It is safe to say that the look removes all signs of age from the movie, making it look as if it were shot yesterday. I swear, if you give it its first look you will not believe that you are watching a film that is close to 30 years old!
The transfer is incredibly sharp and holds every bit of detail, even in murky and underlit conditions. I thought the restored DVD version was amazing – until I saw this Blu-Ray version. Prepare yourself to count the lines on the wallpaper in the Myers house, for example, as every bit of the wallpaper pattern and texture is clearly visible. You will single blades of grass in the shots of Laurie walking home from school and you can count the leaves on the trees. Unbelievably, this transfer adds another level of detail to the presentation that you thought was pristine before. I can't even put into words, how fans of the movie will enjoy this!

To perfectly complement the video presentation, Anchor Bay has put a 5.1 channel PCM track on the disc. Just to reiterate, PCM audio is as good as it gets. This is master quality sound, exactly as it has been mixed down by the sound engineers. Most of you are by now familiar with the 5.1 remix that Anchor Bay did on the film a few years ago, but let me assure you that you will want to here this PCM presentation. It will give you goose bumps.
Since this a release from Anchor Bay's first Blu-Ray batch, let me point out a few things about the studio's philosophy and high definition approach in general. Upon inserting the disc you will be taken through the now-standard FBI warning screen, the studio disclaimer, the Starz logo and the Blu-Ray logo. With the exception of the Blu-Ray logo, none of the can be skipped, but fortunately after the boot-up they are out of the way, and pressing "Play" on the main menu will instantaneously launch you into the movie without further delay.
The menu itself is standard fare, but it does have quite a bit of atmosphere. Set to the infamous, ostinato music theme by John Carpenter, the menu makes use of subtle sound effects that perfectly blend with the atmosphere. For some reason, despite its simplicity, the whole thing had a very coherent "Halloween" feel to it that I greatly enjoyed.

As extras, Anchor Bay has included the commentary track featuring John Carpenter, Jamie Lee Curtis and Debra Hill that was found on a previous DVD version. The disc also features a trivia track that is chock full of information and tidbits. The guys at Anchor Bay know "Halloween" inside out, having worked so many times on the film, and you'll find lots and lots of interesting tidbits and information here.

Also included is the featurette "Halloween: A Cut Above The Rest," culled also from the previous 25th Anniversary DVD version. The featurette is in standard definition, which is in part explained by the fact that it was originally produced and shot in standard definition.

The movie's trailer and TV Spots, as well as Radio Spots are also included on the disc.

If you're a fan of the film, clearly, there is no way for you to avoid the high definition version of John Carpenter's seminal slasher flick. While it may sound like a stereotype, "Halloween" has never looked better. I bet not even during its theatrical run did it look as beautiful as on this disc. The release may be a little thin on the supplements, but hey, this is Anchor Bay's first high definition foray and as such it is an exemplary release. "Halloween" is a must-have Blu-Ray release, hands down.

[Biosynthnut v.2]

Hmmm I may have to pick up this aswell as the Dead series afterall.

Also while not totally related, gonna be picking up either a Samsung 46in 1080p LCD, or Toshiba's Regza 42in 1080p LCD. Right now the Toshi is in the lead in terms of price...at 1500 it's a steal. Cause this 1080i shit sucks.

[The Dream Master]

I love that people over at other forums are shooting their load over the fact that Halloween's color timing is correct because I've been telling them for months that it would be. JP was absolutely right on about that. I wonder whatever happened to him, anyway.

[Utellme]

Can someone answer this ? If the PS3 plays blu ray will it play HD dvds to ?

The xbox 360 plays HD dvds.Can it play blu ray ?

Also DM in your post number 64 you mention FMJ what is FMJ.

Is there a way to make a PS3 play both blu ray and HD ?

[The Dream Master]

No, the PS3 can't play HD-DVDs, nor can the X-Box 360 HD-DVD add-on play Blu-ray.

If you want both formats, you have to buy two different machines.

And FMJ stands for Full Metal Jacket, Stanley Kubrick's Vietnam War film.

[Utellme]

Is there any add on piece for the Ps3 so it can play HD ?

2 different machines is there any better option in site ? Is this what the option will have to be 2 machines to play both wow don't like this surely theres a easy way right ?

[The Dream Master]

No, there's no add-on for the PS3.

There are universal players out there, but if you've already got a PS3, I'd just go pick up a Toshiba HD-DVD stand-alone for $250.

[Gringo Loco]

The review for Bram Stoker's Dracula is in, and I have to say I canceled my order from Amazon. Really disappointing.

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/252/bramstokersdracula.html

http://i19.tinypic.com/4uw0oj9.jpg

[Biosynthnut v.2]

Yea I was kinda shocked at that. Since the movie is rather good, and has some very good visuals aswell.

[The Dream Master]

That's a disconcerting review. I'm still going to keep my pre-order, though, because I never got around to buying this on SD. Even if it's not the best HD disc, it's still got to be better than regular DVD.

[Gringo Loco]

Oh btw, there have been reports that DVD Pacific is shipping out Evil Dead II and Halloween at the moment. I canceled my Amazon order and got those through them. Hopefully my order ships out tomorrow.

[The Dream Master]

Fuck. It appears we broke out the popsicles too soon for the Halloween BD. Apparently, they did go back and attempt to restore the color timing, but it still isn't completely right. The daytime/outdoor scenes look closer to the original, Cundey-approved version, but the nighttime scenes are still fucked up. That means we still don't have all that beautiful blue lighting, which is one of the signature trademarks of the film. Very frustrating.

[Gringo Loco]

Yeah, I've been reading about it all over the place. On one hand, I wish they would've gotten this correct the first time. But on the other hand, I placed my order and this and Dawn of the Dead should be at my house by Wednesday at the latest. Plus other than the color timing during the night scenes, the film is supposed to look the best it's ever looked on home video.

Now as far as Day of the Dead is concerned, I heard they put a censored for TV track as the PCM track. WTF is that about? I'm glad I didn't buy that one.

[Biosynthnut v.2]

Highdef did the review for Halloween... It's a complete 180 from the review that was posted here. The PQ and AQ were terrible.. with the only saving grace is that it's a masterpiece of horror.

They did Top Gun aswell. Me I was always a fan of it so I will pick it up. But it got some good reviews for the PQ and AQ, but trashed the movie... Well it is a Bruckheimer flick...action, romance, cheeseyness. Though I can't wait for Beverly Hills Cop 1,2.

And Simpsons has a Day n date BR/DVD release. I will deffinatly pick up the BR even if I don't have the combo player yet.

[Gringo Loco]

I have Halloween and although the color timing does bother me a bit, I think it's the best this movie has ever looked. I also have Dawn of the Dead which I feel is a slight upgrade in the pq department but not in the aq department. Same goes for Halloween as far as sound is concerned.

I could have already Evil Dead 2 which if the previews are whats to be expected, looks fantastic. I don't have it yet because I opted to get it from Amazon and not Dvdpacific, who was shipping early.

I feel bad for whoever picked up Day of the Dead. Reports are going around that the PCM track is the tv edit. Shame on Starz.

[The Dream Master]

Highdef did the review for Halloween... It's a complete 180 from the review that was posted here. The PQ and AQ were terrible.. with the only saving grace is that it's a masterpiece of horror.



If you're referring to the High Def Digest review, it only got a low score for PQ because of the incorrect color timing. Otherwise, the transfer is supposed to be absolutely gorgeous. However, as far as I'm concerned, the disc deserves a lower score for cocking up the color timing again.

As for the audio, I'm guessing the review is probably accurate. It's hard for a 30 year old mono soundtrack to sound impressive when stretched out to six channels, even if it is uncompressed. I think Starz should have included the original mono track in PCM format as well.

[Gringo Loco]

I agree about a mono PCM track. I think all movies in this type of scenario should have a mono PCM track.

[The Dream Master]

Amazon shipped my four Starz/AB titles today, and, better yet, they knocked almost $10 off the price for some reason.

[Gringo Loco]

Good deal on the $10 off. I saw the Bram Stoker's Dracula BD today and while it does have a problem with the contrast, I don't think it's as severe as the reviews have said. If I didn't have the Superbit dvd on it's way I would probably buy it. The sound was incredible. Granted I can only hear the PCM track in 2 channels spread out to all the fields with Pro Logic II, but I thought it sounded great. I always will go with a lossless audio over lossy even if I only get 2 channels of lossless.

[The Dream Master]

Robert Harris has said that the Dracula BD actually reproduces the original film more accurately than any other home video version. A lot of people thought it was messed up because it looked so different from the SD versions, but it was an intentional change that happened when they re-mastered it. It's too bad he came out and said this now because I already cancelled my pre-order. I'm going to have to pick it up sometime.

[Gringo Loco]

Well supposedly Robert Harris' opinion is questionable. I dunno if this is true, but when Lawrence of Arabia came out, he said it didn't have dnr or something similar and it was pointed out later that it did have that. This is all just hearsay though.

[Zombie]

I saw the review on HD Digest and I think that's a poor review by them, it's more of a review of how HE is dissapointed and using his personal feelings in it. Thats what I think gives critics a bad name. Sure he may hold Halloween dear to his heart and would have liked blue nght time shots like all the other people going for "directors intentions" stuff, but he shouldn't base the movie so much on what HE would have wanted/liked.

Hell, I'm not big on "well thats how the director intended it to be" and stuff like that. I purchased the NOES Platnium New Line disc or whatever it was that was recently released but immediatly took it back once I saw the screen shots and seeing that horrible blue tint added to it. So for Halloween, I would rather have DETAIL vs that horrible blue tint that people are wanting/complaining about.

You can't even see Jamie Lee's face in the top screen shot and on the bottom have much more detail and just looks alot better IMO

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/imgcache/13521.imgcache

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/imgcache/13522.imgcache

Then the same on these two. Can't even see the pumpkin in the first shot

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/imgcache/13534.imgcache

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/imgcache/13535.imgcache


I've never bought any of the DVD releases of Halloween because of all the releases of them, but I think I'll give this one a go.
I just perfer the nice clean look vs the blue tint one. Just looks horrible.

[The Dream Master]

Well supposedly Robert Harris' opinion is questionable. I dunno if this is true, but when Lawrence of Arabia came out, he said it didn't have dnr or something similar and it was pointed out later that it did have that. This is all just hearsay though.

True. A majority of the reviews have been pretty poor, so I'm not quite sure what to think about the entire thing myself. I'll probably rent it to see how it looks.


I saw the review on HD Digest and I think that's a poor review by them, it's more of a review of how HE is dissapointed and using his personal feelings in it. Thats what I think gives critics a bad name. Sure he may hold Halloween dear to his heart and would have liked blue nght time shots like all the other people going for "directors intentions" stuff, but he shouldn't base the movie so much on what HE would have wanted/liked.

Hell, I'm not big on "well thats how the director intended it to be" and stuff like that. I purchased the NOES Platnium New Line disc or whatever it was that was recently released but immediatly took it back once I saw the screen shots and seeing that horrible blue tint added to it. So for Halloween, I would rather have DETAIL vs that horrible blue tint that people are wanting/complaining about.

The director's intent should always be considered. I thought Bracke's review was fair, but the extremely low rating gave off the wrong signal, in my opinion. By all accounts, the transfer is actually a gorgeous representation; however, the messed up color-timing is alarming. To me, all those blues are an intregal part of the film. They've always been there, and it's part of the film's visual signature. Also, the reason why you see more detail in the bottom picture is because it's coming from an HD souce, while the top picture is from standard-def, so of course you're going to see more detail. There's no reason why we can't get the correct lighting/coloring along with the detail.

[Gringo Loco]

I found this little nugget of treasure on AVS.

http://i20.tinypic.com/2h6d2et.png

[The Dream Master]

I've seen that too, but there's no telling what condition that 35mm print was in. The colors could have been faded. Don May Jr. supposedly has a print, and he swears up and down that the blue tint has always been there; also, there have been numerous interviews over the years with Cundey and Carpenter that discuss the lighting; like I said, it's one of the film's signature styles.

At any rate, I think it's fair to say that the Blu-ray is off, even going by that 35mm still right there. It's obvious there's supposed to be a little bit of blue; also, I've heard that in some instances, the blue tint actually appears in the BD, but then it'll be nowhere to be found in the next shot.

[Gringo Loco]

You are right about the 35mm could be faded. Sometimes I wish I could own a 35mm projector so I could watch my own damn prints, lol, instead of having to fuss with dvd etc.

[The Dream Master]

Owning a 35mm projector would be the shit, man. :p

Anyway, even though I am extremely disapponted by the color timing miscue, I still ordered Halloween, and it's en route to my house now. I have a feeling that I won't be worrying too much about the color timing once I watch it. :)

[Gringo Loco]

It's a great watch, and so is Dawn. Netflix doesn't have Day of the Dead so I had to rent the dvd. And I must say, the movie is better than I remembered it. Also the DTS soundtrack on the dvd was great; I can't imagine what it would sound like with PCM.

Evil Dead II didn't look like HD though. Didn't sound that great also. I will be trading this on HD Digest or some other forum for something else down the line.

[The Dream Master]

Yeah, I wish I would have cancelled my ED2 pre-order after hearing about the reviews. Oh well, I guess it's still moderately better than HD.

[Gringo Loco]

I can't wait until Twilight Zone The Movie comes out. Did you preorder that one?

[The Dream Master]

Yep, I have that pre-ordered along with Robocop for next week.

[Gringo Loco]

Nice. I haven't seen TZTM since it was on vhs and cable, which is a really long time. I don't even think they put it out on dvd until recently, or maybe not at all. I am thinking of getting The Fly on BD but I can't remember if I like it very much. Maybe I will trade EDII for it along with some cash.

Now if only Fox would get their stuff together and put out Aliens. That would rock.

[The Dream Master]

I hear that some of the Aliens films are in the pipeline for next year, but you never know with Fox.

[Biosynthnut v.2]

Picked up Top Gun today. And the Samsung BDUP5000 is delayed till sometime next year according to a German site.

And most likely gonna pick up a Toshiba REGZA LCD 1080p Tv by the end of the year.

[The Dream Master]

Alright, so I watched Halloween last night, and holy shit, I think it gave me an erection. I couldn't believe how well the film looked--it looks like it could have been shot yesterday.

As for the color timing: yes, it was noticable, and yes, it's a huge fuckup. However, the tradeoff of the gorgeous transfer evens things out a bit. I'm looking forward to checking out the rest of the AB/Starz titles sometime soon.

[Gringo Loco]

I hope the transfers for the Kubrick films are at least 4 star ratings and I also hope the sound quality is a step up from DVD. I will be pissed if they don't look/sound good.

[The Dream Master]

All of the soundtracks for the Kubrick movies are lossless, I think, so they should be as good as they can be.

[Gringo Loco]

All of the soundtracks for the Kubrick movies are lossless, I think, so they should be as good as they can be.

If this is true, then great. I can only hope now that they sound like a lossless track and not like Dawn or Halloween.

[The Dream Master]

To be fair, both Halloween and Dawn of the Dead featured remixes that came from a mono track (also keep in mind that the original budgets for both films were miniscule). For what it's worth, I thought Halloween's PCM track was good in terms of the score (which is what is going to be really important with 2001). The rest of the film (mostly the dialogue) sounded like a mono track because that's precisely what it was sourced from.

[Biosynthnut v.2]

Picked up the Toshiba Regza 42in 1080p LCD....wow what fuckn difference it makes from 1080i to this. Transformers is gonna look amazing.

[The Dream Master]

I just upgraded my television last week, too (picked up a Mitsubishi WD-73733 1080p DLP). In fact, the Halloween BD was the first, and only film I've watched on it (I did beat Halo 3 on it as well).

And yes, 1080p pwns.

[Gringo Loco]

God, I wish I could get a new TV. I'm stuck with a black friday Westinghouse 32". Since I don't have alot of room to work with, my dream TV is a nice Samsung 40"-42" (I can't remember what size it was) that sells for around 2k.

[Jason's Storm]

I don't know about anyone else, but I think HD-DVD might have an interesting nitch. Where they combine HD and DVD technology together on one disc. I think that may be good for them, as it might convince people who will upgrade in the future, to go with HD-DVD. What does everyone else think?

~JS

[Gringo Loco]

I don't know about anyone else, but I think HD-DVD might have an interesting nitch. Where they combine HD and DVD technology together on one disc. I think that may be good for them, as it might convince people who will upgrade in the future, to go with HD-DVD. What does everyone else think?

~JS

Blu-ray is exactly the same way. It just has a few kinks to work out.

[The Dream Master]

Warners has actually dropped the combo format, I believe. Universal's still doing it on new releases, but I wouldn't be surprised to see that go by the wayside. For what it's worth, I thought the idea made sense for new releases, but I think all the problematic combo discs weren't worth the aggrivation in the end.

[Gringo Loco]

Hey for you guys who have Hd Net Movies, they are showing Halloween 6 (yes in HD) tonight at 11:05pm cst.
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Ok it just started and damn does it look good. Too bad it's the theatrical cut.

[Gringo Loco]

Well guys, I finally did it. I sold my Pioneer Elite receiver and bought an Onkyo TXSR605 receiver. So soon, (hopefully wednesday of next week), I will be experiencing lossless audio. My only regret is that I cannot afford one an Elite with HD audio.

[Jason's Storm]

Onkyo, is a very good brand name. I hope I get one of their HTIB's for down here.

~JS

[Biosynthnut v.2]

Well guys, I finally did it. I sold my Pioneer Elite receiver and bought an Onkyo TXSR605 receiver. So soon, (hopefully wednesday of next week), I will be experiencing lossless audio. My only regret is that I cannot afford one an Elite with HD audio.

Yea I might do the same...unless the Samsung BDUP5000 decodes all the audio. I just bought a HDMI A/V unit. I don't want to go spending another.

[Biosynthnut v.2]

Picked up Transformers.....holy bajebus, looks amazing and the sound is really really good for a non HD audio source. Which was dropped due to disc space.

Which makes me wonder why if Toshiba has a 51gig disc are they not using this yet??

[The Dream Master]

I'm guessing the triple layer discs aren't ready for production yet.

Also, I doubt lossless audio was dropped because of disc space. Plenty of films that are the same length as Transformers have lossless tracks (Batman Begins, V for Vendetta, etc.). Did Paramount say it was a disc space issue?

[Biosynthnut v.2]

I'm guessing the triple layer discs aren't ready for production yet.

Also, I doubt lossless audio was dropped because of disc space. Plenty of films that are the same length as Transformers have lossless tracks (Batman Begins, V for Vendetta, etc.). Did Paramount say it was a disc space issue?


Yea they did. And also I guess on one of the sony forums or blog things. Sony wants to stop using PCM audio in favor of just TrueHD and DTS-MA codecs. For disc space reasons, so they can use the extra space for more features.

[Biosynthnut v.2]

For anyone who got the Kubrick collection how is FMJ?? Is the PQ better then the original HD release??

[The Dream Master]

Gringo and I have been talking about the status of RZ's Halloween over in that film's thread, and here's some potentially interesting news about the Weinsteins:

With no releases or announcements from the Weinstein Company in over four months, speculation is mounting that there are changes afoot for the HD DVD exclusive distributor.

Although the well-regarded indie had been among the HD DVD camp's most high-profile exclusive studio partners, releasing nearly a dozen titles over the first six months of this year (including 'Clerks II,' 'Lucky Number Slevin' and 'Scary Movie 4'), the studio has been uncharacteristically quiet in recent months.

In fact, we haven't heard a peep from Weinstein on the next-gen front since the studio's June 12 HD DVD releases of 'Harsh Times' and 'Black Xmas.'

Could the studio be re-evaluating its HD DVD exclusivity stance? That's the current speculation among industry insiders and fans alike.

We recently brought the question to the studio itself, asking a Weinstein spokesperson to comment on the ongoing rumors, but his response seems likely to only add fuel to fire. "We aren’t commenting on our High-Def plans at this time" was the only word back from the studio.

So what's cooking? Darned if we know, but with such highly anticipated next-gen titles as 'Grindhouse' and '1408' waiting in the wings, here's hoping the studio will break its silence sometime soon.

While this is really nothing more than speculation, you've got to admit that the Weinsteins' lack of activity is puzzling. Maybe there's a chance RZ's Halloween will end up on Blu-ray after all in the event that TWC goes neutral (or BD exclusive).

[Gringo Loco]

Yeah all I can say is we'll see. But a member of the forum over at HDD commented that they had insider knowledge in regards to TWC and that they could/will? go neutral. Supposedly news will hit at the end of this month or the near the beginning of November.

[The Dream Master]

That would definately explain why they haven't announced any new titles. Even though their other releases haven't been day and date with their SD-counterparts, TWC always let us know that an HD release was on the way. They haven't done that with Grindhouse and 1408, so maybe there's something there.

[Patrick]

Picked up Transformers.....holy bajebus, looks amazing and the sound is really really good for a non HD audio source. Which was dropped due to disc space.

Which makes me wonder why if Toshiba has a 51gig disc are they not using this yet??

Hi-Def Digest reported on this a while back saying something to this effect:

While DVD Forum approval is one obstacle cleared for Toshiba, it remains to be seen when (or even if) the new disc type will actually be put into use for movie releases. Insiders say it could take years for production yields to reach manageable levels, and there are conflicting reports as to whether or not the new triple layer discs would be supported by current players.

The Dream Master.....the last time I read Warner Brothers said they would continue to support the dual format HD-DVD/DVD discs. Why, I don't know seeing how it just seems to have more problems than they are worth.

I, myself, love Blu-Ray. ;).....Halloween (Blu-Ray) looks amazing on my 73" Mitsubishi LCD TV. I have approx. 12 Blu-Ray's and my friend has around 16. Hopefully before long I can afford to buy some more.....when I catch up on my bills.

[The Dream Master]

As far as I can remember, none of WB's combos have been problematic (besides Superman Returns), and only a handful of Universal combos displayed problems. I still don't really like them, though--I usually buy the Blu-ray version of any WB release.

And yes, Halloween looks gorgeous--I used it to break in my new TV (also a 73" Mitsubishi) a few weeks back.

[Gringo Loco]

*I highly suggest watching The Shining or A Clockwork Orange if you want to see what HD is all about. They look awesome. I hear 2001 looks beautiful as well.







*I know there are other titles that do look great in HD but these look like they have never looked before, with the exception of HD on cable or satellite.

[The Dream Master]

I'm still waiting for my Kubrick BDs to arrive, but I'll surely be giving The Shining a look as soon as I can.

[Gringo Loco]

I'm still waiting for my Kubrick BDs to arrive, but I'll surely be giving The Shining a look as soon as I can.

They're great TDM. Where did you get yours from? I was gonna use Amazon, but they were backordered to hell, so I went to Best Buy.

[The Dream Master]

Yeah, I pre-ordered from Amazon, and they're not due to ship out until next week, which sucks, I guess. I have other things to tide me over until then, though.

[Patrick]

According to Hi-Def Digest, Blu-Ray is still winning out over HD-DVD Even after Transformers was released.

"According to the just-published report, Blu-ray won the week by a thin margin that amounts to 51% of the high-def discs sold, versus 49% for HD DVD. Although a two percent lead is certainly not commanding, many were expecting the HD DVD camp to win the week, thanks in large part to Paramount's high-profile HD DVD exclusive release of Transformers. As we've previously reported, earlier this week Paramount issued a press release projecting record-breaking first-week sales of 190,000 units. Home Media Magazine disputes Paramount's numbers, estimating the actual number of units that sold through to consumers as closer to 115,000."

That was Paramount's major last chance this year to gain a lead in HD sales....obviously they aren't going to do it. Idiots.

[Gringo Loco]

Well, I'm sure they didn't see the BOGO coming either. I'll be honest, the only reason I am pro Blu-ray is because I am a movie lover and also a computer user. I see the practical use of 25gb discs for storing and also 50gb for movies and games.

If HD DVD had all this and studio support, I would be using HD DVD. I just don't see a reason to buy into HD DVD at this time, especially since I am low on funds and space.

[Patrick]

I want to get Edward Scissorhands, Dawn of the Dead, Day of the Dead and numerous others. I bought the Blu-ray of Bram Stoker's 'Dracula' last week at Wal-Mart for $18. It is amazing. I just got House of Wax and The Omen in the mail from eBay.

[Zombie]

Aahhh, see alot or a few, well maybe a couple lol of people have the Mitishubishi 73" widescreen tv. I have been eyeing this for awhile. How is it? Do any of you have a 360 or PS3 on it and how do the games look and play on it? I have the 65" from them for almost 4 yrs now and I love it. I'm so used to it that it seems "small" to me at times lol I have both my consoles on it and love it. I originally thought it wouldn't be that "great" playing on a big screen but once I did, oh man was it great and have a hard time on playing games on like regular size tv's now a days.

I've been wanting to see my tv which is perfectly fine, no problems at all, just it doesnt have 720p or 1080p and so I have to miss out on some PS3 games that don't upconvert to 1080i and that's the main reason I want a new tv for. But looking at tv's I couldn't go with anything smaller then 65" and was thinking of the 73" as it's being more avaliable in stores now like best buy and circuit city.

Whats the verdict on it?

[The Dream Master]

Zombie, I love it. Everything looks great on it: games, HD-discs, standard DVDs. I know this: I'm not looking to be buying a TV anytime in the next five years. I highly recommend it.

[Patrick]

Zombie it is amazing. Blu-ray movies look even better that you can imagine. As The Dream Master said...even standard def dvd's look good. The colors are out of this world...vibrant, bright, deep...etc. I just had to put Friday the 13th Part 3 in and watch the intro. The red lettering looks awesome.

I have a PS3 hooked up to it and use it for my Blu-ray player. The PS3 games looks amazing as well.

[Zombie]

It has all formats right? Like 480i/p, 720p, & 1080i/p?

Also, I saw 28 Weeks Later for the first time the other night. I was a little unsure of the movie. What I liked of the first one was like everything BEFORE they got to the military base. So seeing the trailer and being most all military involvment I was like hmmmm. My friend said it was good more action so with that I have to take it with a grain of salt because he's not much of a horror fan. There's some movie's I know will be good like if he likes a "slasher" movie then I know it's going to be good and I'll like it. But other's are so-so.

I watched on bluray and it was an ok picture. A little grain so wasn't the best I've seen. But the movie and story was just excellant. I loved it. I got it on Netflix so this will be a definate buy for me eventually. The soundtrack I loved. THey used that song from the first one "In the house/Rage" whichever ALOT more which was great because I loved that score.

It had everything. Characters you cared for, believable story, great pacing. There are somethings that I would like to know more, mainly about the "virus". This is supposed to be a "rage" virus. We see the one scene where the 1st guy gets it and how he reacts. With what he did, you'd wonder what makes them stay together as a group and just attack everyone and everything, virus or non virus people. Why do they just go after the non infected people, stuff like that. I think of this movie/series as more then just another "zombie" movie. So those kind of things IMO are important for them to touch up on.

I saw all the extra features that came with it as I normally do for a movie I love and to find out a little more.

The people that do die I was shocked by, it wasn't something I was expecting nor wanted so thats how deep into the movie I was in. It was just a great movie all around. I could talk about it forever but I don't want to get into "spoilers" to much.

Definitely a very believable movie and makes you think, "What if"? What if this was to happen and how would you react, what would you do, where would you go. Only people I think was the "bad guys" was the infected. As for the military involvement. I don't know if they were intending for people not to "like" them, but I had no issue's with them, it is something hard to watch and totally disagree with the actions they took but at the same time it's easy to understand and realize that's what they kind of had to do. This I'll explain a little on my part.

The "code red" order, I totally understand why they would do it. I could see being in the same place on having to make that decision. Maybe there should have been a little better "plan" for that order, but I think once the infected guy got into that place everyone was at that just ruined everything along with trying to get the people that were infected and the ones not to just not knowing eventually because all the chaos. I guess at the same time though there should have been a little better judgement in some thing like the people driving the car. Obviously people not infected so should have tried to help them instead of trying to kill them.

So I think with having to just exterminate "everyone" there should have been some leway on finding people obviously not infected and trying to help them out. This wasn't something like Dawn of The Dead where they got it and it took days to actually infect them, within a min or less they were fully infected so could have known who was and wasnt right away.

Also with the order how it's totally understandable, you have the beginning where there's hardly any survivors when they come in, so knowing if an outbreak happened again and they just tried to contain it or take control but lost it, the same result would have happened again and most people would end up becoming infected or dying one way or another so might as well just try to take control asap and thats by just containing and exterminating asap but like I mentioned above if coming across someone or a group that wasn't infected then trying to get them away and or helping them.

So thats why I can see both sides of how everything happened or played out.

[The Dream Master]

Zombie, yes, the Mits. DLP supports all resolutions, including 1080p (which was the big selling point for myself).

[Patrick]

Potentially great news for Blu-Ray fans like myself. :D Warner Brothers MAY be headed towards dropping HD-DVD and supporting only Blu-Ray. I hope it IS true.

From Hi-Def Digest:

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Warner/Warner_Mulls_Change_in_High-Def_Strategy/1123

[The Dream Master]

Seeing as how Warners already supports Blu-ray, I don't really see how it's great news for BD fans, really. It's more like bad news for HD-DVD fans; either way, if it happens, I still don't think we'll be any closer to the war being over.

[Gringo Loco]

Well TDM, there have been alot of Warner rumors going around that they will go HD DVD because of their contract expiring soon. So when Warner made that comment, it took us all by surprise. If Warner goes Blu only, they will have to read HD DVD it's death rights. (IMO)

[Patrick]

Yes it will be bad news for HD-DVD fans and good news for Blu-ray fans because it will be another studio that is exclusive to Blu-ray.

I guess the same way HD-DVD fans thought it was great news when Paramount dropped Blu-ray..and Paramount supported both. Paramount just knew that 'Transformers' was going to be the "end all" of HD releases and it wasn't. Blu-ray still outsold HD-DVD during and after it was released and still does. Hmm.....I wonder if this is why Warner's is thinking of dropping HD-DVD.
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Well TDM, there have been alot of Warner rumors going around that they will go HD DVD because of their contract expiring soon. So when Warner made that comment, it took us all by surprise. If Warner goes Blu only, they will have to read HD DVD it's death rights. (IMO)

There have been rumors of WB going HD-DVD? I haven't heard anything about that.

[The Dream Master]

See, that's what I mean: it's only good news for those fanboys that delight in the other side losing a big studio, which is kind of crazy. This is why I hate the format war most of all: it's essentially made the film hobby like video games--nothing but pissing matches and rampant fanboyism. In a perfect world, every studio would be format neutral so the consumer could decide which format would win out. As it stands now, there's nothing but strife and division, and WB going exclusive just contributes to that.

[Gringo Loco]

The rumors were started on AVS and it happened before the BDA had the media event that is ending today or tomorrow.

[Patrick]

See, that's what I mean: it's only good news for those fanboys that delight in the other side losing a big studio, which is kind of crazy. This is why I hate the format war most of all: it's essentially made the film hobby like video games--nothing but pissing matches and rampant fanboyism. In a perfect world, every studio would be format neutral so the consumer could decide which format would win out. As it stands now, there's nothing but strife and division, and WB going exclusive just contributes to that.

I agree that the so-called " format war" only causes confusion and strife among consumers. It IS silly and there should only be 1 format. But, Warner Brothers isn't contributing to the confusion any more than Paramount and Toshiba did when they dropped Blu-ray to try and rake in a few more dollars off of HD-DVD with Transformers.

As I said, I hate the "format war" also, but I do support Blu-ray and AM glad of this news and hope it does come to fruition. If so, HD-DVD will only be supported by Universal and Paramount, thus, almost ensuring the inevitable.

[The Dream Master]

Oh, I agree with you 100% that Paramount is no better. I didn't like that move, either. As for Toshiba, if I'm not mistaken, they came to the table with HD-DVD first, but Sony is the one that split from the DVD forum to create Blu-ray. At any rate, this shit should have been settled before two formats made their way to the market. I honestly hoped that a compromise would have been made wherein the BD specs were branded with the HD-DVD name. That would have been perfect.

If WB were to move over, I guess it could be a big step towards ending things, but I'm not so sure. Either way, I'll continue to support both formats since it's still the only way to get movies from every studio (sigh).

Added: Nevermind, I had the order regarding HD-DVD and BD backwards. Sony formed the BDA first, and Toshiba pursued the HD-DVD project a few months later. Either way, the whole thing is a result of greed: Sony split because they didn't want to lose out on disc royalties (as they had with DVD), and, likewise, Toshiba would have none of that either.

[Jason's Storm]

If anyone wants to jump on the HD-DVD, Wal-mart will have a Toshiba HD-DVD player for $198, the day after Thanksgiving.

~JS

[The Dream Master]

Actually, that's the price for the Toshiba A2 right now. No need to wait for Black Friday. :)

[Patrick]

Yea and that's the 1080i players. NOT the 1080p players.

That's cool if people don't care about getting the full potential of Hi-Def quality, but if I am going to go Hi-Def, I want the best there is. I use my PS3 as a Blu-ray player.

[The Dream Master]

Well, the Toshiba A30 (which does 1080p) is only $300, which isn't too bad. I'm probably going to upgrade to that one at some point (unless there are some major studio defections in HD-DVD's future).

[Biosynthnut v.2]

Yea and that's the 1080i players. NOT the 1080p players.

That's cool if people don't care about getting the full potential of Hi-Def quality, but if I am going to go Hi-Def, I want the best there is. I use my PS3 as a Blu-ray player.

Considering most HDTVs sold at Walmart are 720p and I know of only two models that are 1080p.(I work for the shill of a company). The player fits right in for entry level. I did read that once all the A2's are sold out they are going to be selling the A3 for the same price.

Also Kmart is going HDDVD only aswell.

WB posted a responce saying that they will evaluate after the year. Kinda odd though since they also posted the delay of BOTH versions of Twister to April.

So who knows for sure. I am just waiting to see if my BB reward points kick in and eventually get the samsung combo player. Best of both no muss no fuss.:D

[Jason's Storm]

Oh, I heard a rumor on another board, that the HD-DVD player is going to be $98 this weekend. Very tempting to most.

~JS

[The Heat]

Oh, I heard a rumor on another board, that the HD-DVD player is going to be $98 this weekend. Very tempting to most.

~JS
It's true. Starting at 8 AM in the morning, Wal-Mart is selling for $98. Best Buy is also price matching that. The Best Buys around here are already sold out. I imagine the Wal-Marts will be by tomorrow afternoon. Even Best Buy online has sold out of them. HD-DVD can win the consumer with fair prices. The casual consumer isn't going to pay $400 for a Blu-Ray player if they can get a HD-DVD player (and five free movies) for $100.

[Gringo Loco]

It's true. Starting at 8 AM in the morning, Wal-Mart is selling for $98. Best Buy is also price matching that. The Best Buys around here are already sold out. I imagine the Wal-Marts will be by tomorrow afternoon. Even Best Buy online has sold out of them. HD-DVD can win the consumer with fair prices. The casual consumer isn't going to pay $400 for a Blu-Ray player if they can get a HD-DVD player (and five free movies) for $100.

I'm speaking logically, not as a fanboy right now. But what will you do (and moms, dads, and other people in general) when you buy a HD DVD player and realize you cannot watch Halloween, Saw 3, Cars, Ratatouille, all the Die Hards, Spiderman, etc.

[The Heat]

I'm speaking logically, not as a fanboy right now. But what will you do (and moms, dads, and other people in general) when you buy a HD DVD player and realize you cannot watch Halloween, Saw 3, Cars, Ratatouille, all the Die Hards, Spiderman, etc.
Studios aren't stupid. If they see the HD-DVD players selling in large quantities and the market expand, they won't stay exclusive for long. They'll go where the money is. They'd be crazy not to.

[Gringo Loco]

Studios aren't stupid. If they see the HD-DVD players selling in large quantities and the market expand, they won't stay exclusive for long. They'll go where the money is. They'd be crazy not to.

If you think any studio outside of Warner is going to go HD DVD only this holiday season, think again. Disney, Fox, and Sony are in it for a long time. And Sony would rather put a samarai sword into it's own chest than sell on HD DVD.

[The Heat]

If you think any studio outside of Warner is going to go HD DVD only this holiday season, think again. Disney, Fox, and Sony are in it for a long time. And Sony would rather put a samarai sword into it's own chest than sell on HD DVD.
I didn't say it would be by this holiday season. But the average consumer would rather take a samarai sword in the chest than pay $400 for a movie player. Particularly when they can get one of equal quality for $100. Sony's product is waaaaay too expensive and unless they cut it down drastically, they're going to get curb stomped this holiday season. And, in turn, these studios will start thinking twice about going exclusive to Blu-Ray.

[Gringo Loco]

I didn't say it would be by this holiday season. But the average consumer would rather take a samarai sword in the chest than pay $400 for a movie player. Particularly when they can get one of equal quality for $100. Sony's product is waaaaay too expensive and unless they cut it down drastically, they're going to get curb stomped this holiday season. And, in turn, these studios will start thinking twice about going exclusive to Blu-Ray.

This holiday season will be the beginning of the end of this format war. What good would it be to buy a HD DVD player when the average consumer does not own a HDTV? So that argument is moot. The people who are buying players are people who have invested money for their HDTV or are planning to invest in a TV. And when they find out alot of their favorite movies are not on HD DVD they will either wait it out or not buy anything at all. So if they already invested $1000+ into a HDTV and are in the market to buy a HD player, why not invest in a Blu-ray player? Because $400 is too much? They already invested $1000+ into a TV. And how is Sony going to get curb stomped? HD DVD hasn't even won a week in software sales for the last 9 months. Nope, not even Transformers won HD DVD a week. All HD DVD has left in their arsenal is the wonderfully bad Shrek 3 and The Bourne Ultimatum. Now I'm sure they will both move discs, but do you think the BDA will not have a way to counter?

[The Heat]

This holiday season will be the beginning of the end of this format war. What good would it be to buy a HD DVD player when the average consumer does not own a HDTV? So that argument is moot. The people who are buying players are people who have invested money for their HDTV or are planning to invest in a TV. And when they find out alot of their favorite movies are not on HD DVD they will either wait it out or not buy anything at all. So if they already invested $1000+ into a HDTV and are in the market to buy a HD player, why not invest in a Blu-ray player? Because $400 is too much? They already invested $1000+ into a TV. And how is Sony going to get curb stomped? HD DVD hasn't even won a week in software sales for the last 9 months. Nope, not even Transformers won HD DVD a week. All HD DVD has left in their arsenal is the wonderfully bad Shrek 3 and The Bourne Ultimatum. Now I'm sure they will both move discs, but do you think the BDA will not have a way to counter?
I have a HD TV and I don't have $400 more to drop on a Blu-Ray when I can get a HD-DVD player and five movies for $100. I know a lot of other people in the same situation. The software will start moving after people have the hardware. Plus, Wal-Mart is also putting HD TV's on sale this holiday season too. What could be better than getting a new HD TV, a HD-DVD player and five movies for $1000? Not much.

Sony is pricing themselves out of the market. A consumer wants to upgrade to HD. Should they buy a $99 HD-DVD player or a $400 Blu-Ray player? Hmmmm....

Movies are still being added to both libraries. It's still in its early stages. The consumer ALWAYS dictates the market, not the other way around. If people jump all over this HD-DVD deal and begin buying software in bigger quantities, how much of a brain surgeon is necessary to decide not to be exclusive?

The only people with Blu-Ray players are people with PS3's. That's Sony's biggest chance. I'm assuming they'll have a price drop with that. Otherwise, they're retarded.

I'm not for Toshiba or Sony. I'm not a fanboy. I owned the Playstation, Playstation 2 and X-Box 360 in that order. But I am a consumer. And I'm going to look at things from a neutral consumer perspective. And that means HD-DVD + 5 free movies for $100 is absolute money.

[Gringo Loco]

Well I also have a HDTV and a PS3, but I have no money to invest in a format that has very little to offer me. Oh, sure I would like The Thing, but what else does HD DVD have to offer me? The Stanley Kubrick collection? I got that on Blu-ray. Army of Darkness or Batman Begins? I have BB on sdvd and Army of Darkness has bad PQ/AQ. (http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/161/armyofdarkness.html) I just don't see HD DVD worth even a $100. It would be like giving your money away. And if you have $100 to burn, feel free to send some my way. Paypal accepted, lol.

In the end, people who buy into HD DVD will not get to see Disney, Fox, Sony, MGM, Lionsgate, or Miramax. Sure one or more studios may change sides. But are you willing to take a gamble like that?

The Simpsons movie will be blu-ray along with the other list of movies I posted.

[Biosynthnut v.2]

You just answered your own question. If they already have movies that are soley on Blu Ray why would they pick them up? Just as if you already own Batman Begins or Army of Darkness etc.The player upscales anyway. Out of all the movies on DVD I own, I have picked up 5 of them as HDDVD upgrades. If Joe six pack can pick up a cheap HD DVD player and a cheap HDTV for under a grand at walmart he is set. Does he care that he is not getting true 1080p or lossless audio....probably not. Considering I have talked with custmers in that area...they don't have a freakn clue what's what half the time. Aslong as it's cheap they don't care.

And the other upgraded Blu Ray movies I want are Pirates trilogy, Devils Rejects, and Die Hard trilogy. That's it. Other movies I have don't really warrant a upgrade purchase. LOTR trilogy, and the Speilburg and star wars stuff....I doubt it. Until one format is dead and by that time I wouldn't really care.


Also Best buy is matching the price and they are sold out online, Circut city etc. are all price matching. Some stores are already sold out. The Walmart thing goes on at 8am tomarrow.

[Gringo Loco]

Well as far as Best Buy is concerned, like you said they are most likely sold out. So it sounds like there was very limited supply. Also, how long is this fire sale going to last?

And just like you said, if joe6pack wanted to watch all of those exclusive titles on Blu-ray, how would they know that they could upscale them?

[Biosynthnut v.2]

It says on the box it plays said format(DVD, HDDVD etc.), just like it does with any standalone BR player or PS3. Which all upscale anyway.

It's supposed to last till they sell out, which is like 50k in the US. Then I read the A3's will take it's place at the same pricepoint of 198.

[Gringo Loco]

It says on the box it plays said format(DVD, HDDVD etc.), just like it does with any standalone BR player or PS3. Which all upscale anyway.


My question is, let's say joe6pack sees Spiderman 3 on Blu-ray only. But he wants to buy a HD DVD player because it's cheap. So how will he know that if he buys the HD DVD player, it will upscale the image Spiderman on DVD?

[Biosynthnut v.2]

My question is, let's say joe6pack sees Spiderman 3 on Blu-ray only. But he wants to buy a HD DVD player because it's cheap. So how will he know that if he buys the HD DVD player, it will upscale the image Spiderman on DVD?


Cause it says so in the manual or on the box. Same way my HD add on upscales movies.

[Gringo Loco]

See why would he buy the HD DVD player if he doesn't know it will upscale? The only way he would find out is if he bought it first. And if he sees Spiderman 3 on Blu-ray only, he might reconsider.

[Biosynthnut v.2]

But it's NOT only on Blu ray. It's on DVD. Same with any other movie. And retailers list the features that every TV and player they have does, before they buy it, and it's ON THE BOX . It's not hard to look and go ok this upscales my DVD's aswell.

Are you grasping at straws here or what?? And if he wanted to he could get both a HD player and a ps3 for like 500 bucks. Again he's set.

[Gringo Loco]

I'm not grasping at straws, I'm asking a legitimate question. We are talking about your average everyman, not some high tech saavy person. For all you know, upscaling could be completely foreign to these hypothetical people, kinda like DTS is.

And sure, they could pick up both for $500. But I thought the argument was these hypothetical people didn't want to pay much for HD?

[Jason's Storm]

Picking a format, based on one movie, I feel is foolish. I think you should base it, not only on price, but on movies that you like. If you have more wieght on one side than the other, then you should go for it, if you have the money in hand. Personally, I am going to wait, until the format wars are over with and prices come down dramatically. I'm thinking 2010.

~JS

Added: Oh and simmer down in here before I put a temporary lock on this thread and possibly warnings. Thank You.

[Uncle Hoody]

At the news of this major price break, I can eat 100 dollars for a cheap piece of equipment that is supposedly 'the future' of movies. They are backwards compatible, correct?

If I decide I'd side with blu-ray in the future, well no harm - it's only a hundred bucks. Of course I'd be struggling to find one tomorrow as I get off of work at 6 and have major driving to do when I wake up. But its possibly foreshadowing on what we will get on Black Friday.



And to echo JS - be nice.

[The Dream Master]

Yep, Hoody, both formats are backwards compatible, and both upscale existing DVDs.

[Biosynthnut v.2]

Yep, Hoody, both formats are backwards compatible, and both upscale existing DVDs.

And it's not that hard of a question to ask a sales rep. or just look on the box at what it plays and doesn't. Obviously Blu rays don't play on them. But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the HD DVD players also play and upscale your DVDs.

Hell I wouldn't be surprised if people also bought 1080i or p upconverting DVD players... thinking they were HD DVD or Blu Ray.


This morning when I got to work their already was a line of people with players in hand, and they sold out of them with in a half hour. We had 30 units.

[Patrick]

Someone mentioned that K-Mart is going HD-DVD exclusive. Actually, they are NOT. The Digital Bits has reported that K-Mart stated that they are not going HD-DVD exclusive. I would post the link to this and what The Digital Bits says about Blu-ray's inevitable victory over HD-DVD, but someone hacked into Bill Hunt's site tonight.....someone who doesn't agree with his opinions and views on the format war. That is really pathetic that people have to stoop that low as to hack into someone's site just because they don't agree with them.

[Biosynthnut v.2]

Yea they are doing the same thing target is. Carrying the players and movies, but only the ps3 as far as BR.

[The Dream Master]

I've made an observation the past few weeks that bodes very well for the future of HD media: each and every store I've visited during that time has increased their shelf space for HD. Target has, Best Buy has, and, even more importantly, some of the Wal-Marts that haven't been stocking HD/BD films are now. I'm talking about stores way out in the boondocks, even.

[Gringo Loco]

I've made an observation the past few weeks that bodes very well for the future of HD media: each and every store I've visited during that time has increased their shelf space for HD. Target has, Best Buy has, and, even more importantly, some of the Wal-Marts that haven't been stocking HD/BD films are now. I'm talking about stores way out in the boondocks, even.

I'll have to check my local Target/Wal Mart. The last time I went to either of those 2 stores in central Austin, they had slim pickings. Wal Mart might have had like 10 Blu-rays to choose from! This was maybe 6 months ago.

[The Dream Master]

Yeah, it's definately something that's happened in the past two weeks or so. At every store I've been to, there's been a big end-cap section that has quite a nice selection of titles (probably around the same as Target).

[Jason's Storm]

Wal-mart even has Blu Ray and HD-DVD player. Their section is expanding, because VHS is long gone, so there is space. They even have a small displayer of HD movies of older movies. No matter which one you are partial to, this is good news for next gen.

~JS

[Biosynthnut v.2]

Cars on BR got 5 for 5 on PQ and AQ. Best reference material out there.

[The Heat]

90,000 HD-DVD players were sold over the weekend according to early estimates:

NOV. 6 | The HD DVD format significantly pumped its installed base over the weekend, as dueling store clearances sold an estimated 90,000 Toshiba players, according to sources close to retailers.

That tally covers Friday to Sunday sales of Toshiba’s second-generation HD-A2 model, which Wal-Mart and Best Buy sold for about $99 on Nov. 2. That’s $200 less than Toshiba’s $299 list price and $100 off widespread retail pricing of $199.

The $99 players made up most of the 90,000 units sold, a source said.

Within three days, Toshiba corralled nearly as many sales as the best-selling stand-alone Blu-ray Disc player has sold since its launch. Sony’s dominant Blu-ray set-top, the $499 BDP-S300, has shipped about 100,000 since it bowed this summer.

However, the Blu-ray format still retains the largest overall installation base, due largely to the millions of PlayStation 3 hardware sold.

In fact, the 90,000 figure for HD-A2 sales could be even higher, as it doesn’t appear to include all retailer information. The figure does span consumer activity on HD-A2s at Wal-Mart, Best Buy and Circuit City, among others.

Best Buy also shaved $100 off Toshiba’s $299 third-generation player, the HD-A3, Friday through Sunday. At deadline, a Best Buy spokesman did not provide updated sales on the HD-A3.

Story: http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6498141.html


I know, I know. HD-DVD sucks. Blu-Ray is the best. This means nothing. I know. Just passing along the news. :p

[Gringo Loco]

90,000 HD-DVD players were sold over the weekend according to early estimates:



Story: http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6498141.html


I know, I know. HD-DVD sucks. Blu-Ray is the best. This means nothing. I know. Just passing along the news. :p

It's probably best if we don't post format war news. I think if we reframe from doing that, then it will keep this thread from turning into a format war discussion, which is what brought the mods in here last time.

[The Heat]

It's probably best if we don't post format war news. I think if we reframe from doing that, then it will keep this thread from turning into a format war discussion, which is what brought the mods in here last time.
I don't get caught up in the war - just the news and deals. Particularly the deals. But I knew you and some others were big Blu-Ray guys, so I just put a disclaimer at the end. ;)

Still a pretty impressive number though.

[Biosynthnut v.2]

Which according to other news, Toshiba past the half mill. in stand alone sales.
ADDED:
Rat got 5 stars across the board for movie,AQ/PQ.

[Biosynthnut v.2]

HD DVD finally has the TL51 disc finalized. Though apprently it's been "finalized" before.... But hopefully it will be used.

[The Dream Master]

A heads up: Amazon is running another Buy One, Get One Free BD sale on select Sony and Disney titles.

The Sony titles are here (http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&location=http%3A%2F%2Famazon.com%2Fgp%2Ffeature.ht ml%3Fie%3DUTF8%26docId%3D1000161701%26pf%5Frd%5Fm% 3DATVPDKIKX0DER%26pf%5Frd%5Fs%3Dcenter-2%26pf%5Frd%5Fr%3D09P7DCWXKBTHE1S7ATZQ%26pf%5Frd%5 Ft%3D101%26pf%5Frd%5Fp%3D324342701%26pf%5Frd%5Fi%3 D193640011&tag=panandscathed-20&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=9325), and the Disney titles are here. (http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&location=http%3A%2F%2Famazon.com%2Fgp%2Ffeature.ht ml%3Fie%3DUTF8%26docId%3D1000161681%26pf%5Frd%5Fm% 3DATVPDKIKX0DER%26pf%5Frd%5Fs%3Dcenter-2%26pf%5Frd%5Fr%3D0D9R7YNKHBFMYYT621TA%26pf%5Frd%5 Ft%3D101%26pf%5Frd%5Fp%3D324339201%26pf%5Frd%5Fi%3 D193640011&tag=panandscathed-20&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=9325)

Deep Discount is also running a similar sale, and they have a few more titles available, too.

I got The Fifth Element and the Hostel Director's Cut from Amazon, but I couldn't find two titles that I wanted from Deep Discount.

[Gringo Loco]

I wish I had money with all these BOGO sells going on. Oh well.

[jayTL]

Amazon has a bunch of HD DVD titles for almost half off. Shaun included

http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html?ie=UTF8&docId=1000166481&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=right-2&pf_rd_r=13GJX6ZCC68A242PQD2H&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=331239301&pf_rd_i=193642011

[Biosynthnut v.2]

Walmart should be having the Die hards for 30 bucks single or the box set for 90 bucks on Blu Ray. My store had out the single copies already of 1-3.

Busy and expensive couple of weeks, Pirates comes out in two weeks and simpsons follows it.

ID4 comes out next week I think? Is that even being released or did Fox can it for now??

[Gringo Loco]

ID4 comes out next week I think? Is that even being released or did Fox can it for now??

I haven't heard anything about ID4 but then again I'm not anticipating it's release.

[Biosynthnut v.2]

Thought so... Hidef still has it listed for some reason. Another possible rumor is Indiana Jones boxset comming out in holiday 08 and Godfather trilogy on HD DVD. That was out of Paramounts Norway home vid. offices. So wishfull thinking.

[The Dream Master]

Independence Day comes out December 4th.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Indiana Jones on HD-DVD around the holidays next year to tie in with the 4th film's home video release.

[Biosynthnut v.2]

Sound&Vision Review Samsung BDUP-5000 (http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/hdt...bd-up5000.html) New combo player does it all and does it very very well.


Conclusion

Quote:
When it was up and running, though, the BD-UP5000 showed some solid potential. Video quality was very good: Since the Samsung includes Silicon Optix HQV processing, I was hardly surprised to see the player ace the complete lineup of tests found on that company's DVD, HD DVD, and Blu-ray test discs — benchmarks that we reviewers use to help gauge performance on disc players and displays. Picture detail with high-def discs in both formats was excellent, and the same held true for DVDs.

From a usability standpoint, our sample of the Duo functioned smoothly, switching between various disc formats in an effortless, transparent manner. Boot-up time from initially pressing the Power button to seeing a Samsung logo appear onscreen was 35 seconds — not bad compared with other high-def disc players. And you can load discs almost immediately, which is a nice convenience. The time to get to the beloved FBI Warning screen varied from disc to disc, but in most cases it was quicker than the player's initial boot-up period.

The Duo provides ultra-smooth 2x and 4x scanning for DVD playback. Fast-forward/reverse scanning on both HD DVD and Blu-ray, while not bad, actually seemed choppy in comparison. As with standalone HD DVD machines, pressing Stop and then Play at any time during HD DVD playback means you have to first go through the disc's initial startup menu and seek out the last scene to resume play. In contrast, pressing Stop and then Play with both Blu-ray discs and regular DVDs whisks you directly to the point where you dashed off to answer the doorbell. The player also proved capable of spinning CDs — thank you, Samsung!
__________________________________________________ __________________

Deffinatly picking this up in January.:D

[Gringo Loco]

I probably will not buy a new player until I can get a region free dvd player included with Blu-ray and/or HD DVD. I was looking at an Oppo player for region free dvd and I will pick that up if I can ever get enough money. But yeah, I'm really looking for something like I described. And it has to be by Oppo or some company as I cannot afford Denon+.

Congrats on your future purchase though. I'm sure you will enjoy it.

[Biosynthnut v.2]

What's cool is it does decoding for all the codecs. And since my A/V doesn't do audio through HDMI, I have to go analog and will still get the TrueHD,DTS-MA etc. Atleast that's how it sounds....

[Gringo Loco]

Well does your A/V decode all the lossless codecs? If not, you will need the player to send the audio via PCM.

[Biosynthnut v.2]

Well reading the review it says it supports 7.1 and all codecs.

quote:
The Duo's back panel includes HDMI and component-video outputs along with composite- and S-video. Both coaxial and optical digital audio connections are present, and there's also a 7-channel analog output. This will come in handy if you want to use the player's built-in decoder to convey lossless Dolby soundtracks, or if your receiver lacks HDMI switching. And there's an Ethernet port on the back panel to hook up to a home network for firmware upgrades (a regular occurrence with both HD DVD and Blu-ray players) and for taking advantage of interactive features on discs.

My reciever has HDMI but it's video only, it does have the 7 channel analog, aswell as coaxial and optical. So according to this it should work correct??

Also side note since the ps3 page isn't loading.. Can the ps3 download stuff while watching movies? My friend has been downloading Uncharted demo for almost a week now. He uses it for BR only when watching films.

[Gringo Loco]

What's the brand of your A/V unit?

As far as the PS3 is concerned, I'm not sure if it will download while watching a Blu-ray. I don't think it does though. You can download while playing a demo I believe.

[Biosynthnut v.2]

What's the brand of your A/V unit?

As far as the PS3 is concerned, I'm not sure if it will download while watching a Blu-ray. I don't think it does though. You can download while playing a demo I believe.

Pioneer VSX-1016 http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-VSX-1016TXV-K-Channel-Audio-Receiver/dp/B000HC0BJG/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1195689940&sr=8-1

[Gringo Loco]

Pioneer VSX-1016 http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-VSX-1016TXV-K-Channel-Audio-Receiver/dp/B000HC0BJG/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1195689940&sr=8-1

If you go to the Pioneer website (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/v3/pg/kuro/product/details/0,,2076_310069809_316743263_tab=B,00.html?compName =PNA_V3_ProductDetailsComponent), it will show you that it does not support lossless audio sent via bitstream. I imagine you could only get lossless via PCM.

[The Dream Master]

Right now, the only way to get lossless via bitstream is over HDMI; however, you have to have a player that can do this. Even if you have a 1.3 receiver that decodes the advanced codecs, you have to make sure your player will send the lossless signal via bitstream over HDMI. I'm not sure if they'll ever make lossless available over bitstream via coax or optical.

[Biosynthnut v.2]

So what can you get through the players decoding if using the 7 channel analog outs? Just regular dolby tracks and not the HD tracks?

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/853
According to this guys article on HDMI1.3 and lossless audio:
quote:Perhaps the single most confusing aspect of HDMI 1.3 is its support for high-resolution audio formats such as Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, and DTS-HD, all of which require more bandwidth (and copy protection) than can be transmitted over the old digital coaxial or Toslink optical audio connections that were sufficient for Standard-Def DVD. If using one of those cable types, the HD DVD or Blu-ray player will downconvert the DD+, TrueHD, or DTS-HD signal to standard Dolby Digital or DTS quality. In order to benefit from the full high-resolution quality of these formats, the player must be connected by either HDMI or multi-channel analog. For the purposes of this article, we're obviously going to focus on the HDMI transmission method.

Bold area: If the player decodes it which the samsung does. Then I should be able to get those audio tracks. Correct?

[Gringo Loco]

I'm not 100% sure you will get lossless with analog outs but I think you can. I would ask over at AVS or HDD.

[The Dream Master]

Yes, if the Samsung itself decodes the audio tracks, you'll get it as long as you set your player to output the audio over PCM via HDMI.

[Gringo Loco]

Yes, if the Samsung itself decodes the audio tracks, you'll get it as long as you set your player to output the audio over PCM via HDMI.

His receiver will only do video via HDMI so that option is out.

[The Dream Master]

Well, if his receiver has analog inputs, that'll work, too. Again, the player should be set to PCM instead of Bitstream.

[Biosynthnut v.2]

hehe - dua format player gets cheaper. $799 combo player that support HDi fully and BD Java. It even comes with HQV video processor

Shipping date: January 15th

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...nandscathed-20

BD-UP5000's key features

- 1080p output at 24 frames per second on Blu-ray and HD DVD
- 7.1 Analogue Audio out
- HQV video processing
- Onboard decoding for Dolby Digital Plus and Dolby TrueHD
- Firmware upgradeable for DTS-HD High Resolution and DTS-HD Master Audio onboard decoding (see this blog for more information)
- HDMI 1.3 port
- Ethernet port
- BD profile 1.1 ready

http://reviews.cnet.com/video-player...-32553618.html

gizmodo calls it 'the best'

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/grope/han...est-282569.php

[Jason's Storm]

SO hopefully it will under $300 in 2-3 years, unless the format war has been solved by then. Though I doubt it.

~JS

[Gringo Loco]

Hey guys, on HDNet Movies, they are showing The Birds right now. It's about 1 hour into it. And after that at 7pm cst, they will show Psycho. I've wanted to see this in anamorphic widescreen for a while now and to think it will also be in HD. Sweetness.

[Biosynthnut v.2]

Pirates 3 on BRD, is misprinted, on the specs. it says 1080i the disc is 1080p.

Harry Potter 5 got 5 star PQ,AQ on both formats. Will be deffinatly picking that one up next week.

I think for my first BRD purchase will be the DieHard collection and Pirates Trilogy. Unless I can get some cheap deals at work for Stargate, Resevior Dogs, and Terminator.

[The Dream Master]

Bio, Amazon's currently running a buy one, get one free on select Warner Blu-rays. There are some pretty decent titles involved.

[Biosynthnut v.2]

Samsung BDUP5000 shipping NOW!!! for 799. Oh this will be mine:D


Here is a link to some pics of the player and the back of it (first link), plus a few other links:

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/grope/han...est-282569.php

http://www.electronichouse.com/artic...d_player/C157/

http://www.engadget.com/tag/BD-UP5000%20

http://hdguru.com/?p=184

and finally here is the Samsung brochure:

http://www.samsung.com/us/system/con.../BD-UP5000.pdf

(added later: sorry the Samsung brochure was removed for some reason from the Samsung site. It can be viewed here:

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/...=255163&page=7

[Zombie]

I'm needing info about audio receivers please? This is one part of the home theater part that I really don't know to much about especially now these days with HD Audio, Analog, Bitstream, PCM, DTS Neo, and I can go on and on lol.

Just a heads up on what I have that I'm looking to hook up to it and or maybe how to get the best, good, reasonable, set up, while tying to take advantage of the stuff I have and or of movies and such. Also with what I do know..

What I Know-
Dolbly Digital 5.1
DTS 5.1
Surround Sound 5.1
That's really about it sound wise.
I understand the 480i - 1080p picture wise and looking to get a Mitisubishi 65" 1080p TV which I'm assuming has 480i/p, 720p, 1080i/p. If not that one then something similar to it but really no smaller then 65"'s since that's what I have now and would be a little hard going smaller. Bigger sure if it's within my price and money that I should hopefully have next year but not smaller.

What I have -
Xbox 360 Core with HD-DVD Player Add-On connected VIA Component Cable for video and Optical for sound. (I'm not really looking to upgrade this just to get HDMI, but if it breaks and I go to trade at Best Buy then it would be a possability since they don't have core systems anymore and if they'll allow me to just pay the difference for a PRO or an Elite then maybe)

PS3 Hooked up just recently HDMI to DVI since my TV doesn't have a HDMI Input and wanted to see how upconverting DVD's looked, so far so good so may keep this set up or cable should say. Audio is hooked up through Optical as well.

65" Mitishubishi HD TV 480i/p & 1080i (Wanting/looking to upgrade but this is kind of last on the list and if I have the money to upgrade) Has 3 Component Inputs I believe and 1 DVI input.

Sony STR-DG500 6.1 Channel AV Receiver (Multi-Channel Receiver) - This is where I'm stupid at. It's hooked up to 5.1 speakers. The two systems are hooked up through optical and my cable box is hooked in through the digital composit? cable. Its just one cable but will get 5.1 on a program/channel that is available with it.
It doesn't have HDMI in or outs on it.

Maybe someone can check/look up this receiver and the manual online for it to maybe get an idea what it can handle right now currently? What would be the best way to hook up the things to it and or like for the PS3 what "channels" can it receive? Like when you go to the sound options, what boxes should I check/uncheck and such if your familier with the PS3 settings. That would help me alot for the time being just in case I can't get a new receiver right away, and at least could use the one I have to it's potential. The 6.1 channel I believe is just an extra speaker in the back center. Maybe I can get one of those? Or if not worth it then at least have 5.1 for now. But I would really appreciate all the help I can get on this one and set up I have...

So with that, maybe someone can also list a few receivers that would be a decent buy for what I'm looking to do. I'm not looking to get a FULL to the max everything the best. But if I could get like HD Audio 5.1 that's not to expensive and such that would be cool, or something that I can take advantage of these new Bluray & HD-DVD's that has pretty good sound quality or the stuff I see in reviews about movie's sound, because right now I think it's just getting DD & DTS 5.1 encoding and even that sounds excellant to me. So as you can see I'm not that picky about sound. I'm probably more picky about the picture since that's something I'm watching.

I don't know anything about lossless, Bitstream, PCM, or any of that stuff. I don't know if what I have can even do that now? Or if I need different hook ups for it? Maybe my receiver can? Or I might just need one that has HDMI inputs? But what I was seeing on some of these receivers that while it has an HDMI input, it can't output to 1080p or something so thats why I listed my TV and the one I want/plan to get with at least 1080p and don't want a receiver that's going to screw that up ya know?

So as you can see, I'm pretty dumb about the audio part. Also the speakers I have are like regular speakers. The front ones are the ones that came with my original kenwood I think it was receiver and the back ones are just book shelf speakers from like a stereo I believe so I dont know if that will have a part in some of the stuff as well? I kind of understand a little but not a whole lot, so if someone is willing to help out, if you can kind of "dumb" down the explanations and or comparing it so I'll fully understand what you mean.

My living room is kind of small to, I can probably fit like 2 more speakers in the middle if needed and one in the back center, but I don't know how that would sound being the speakers kind of all together. So might be better to stick to just 5.1, or if I was to go to like say HD DTS/DD do I NEED to have a 7.1 set-up to avoid loss of sound with 2-3 speakers missing and just having 5.1? Also I don't know if this makes a difference, but the way it's all hooked up now is the two back speakers are directly into the receiver. The front ones are hooked into the subwoofer then that goes to the receiver and I believe the center is directly to the receiver as well. So I dont know if that makes a difference.

I've kind of gone through the settings and stuff on the receiver but there's stuff in there that I have no idea what it means. Only thing I've really played with or made changes to was the "distance" of the speakers and the sound level of them and the bass/treble settings...

I truly truly appreciate ALL the help I could get. I wanted to ask her since there seems to be people with great knowledge about this stuff and since we all know each other rather then going to like a home theater forum and then trying to ask but get overlooked cause I'm a "noob" in there and or people flaming because I'm sure it's been asked 1000x's over but I may not fully understand other post's and such because they spoke to advanced for me.

If you need any other info about what I have and such feel free to ask and I'll post it as soon as I can so you can help me better. Also if you want to like write it in a email so you can save like drafts or what not thats cool as well, I can copy and paste it here also so in case there's others that might be looking for the same info and or to help out....

I was looking at Best Buy's website but it seems like all their systems now are mainly packages with all the speakers, built in dvd players and such so I dont think they'll have what I need. So I checked crutchfield.com and they look like a better place to get just the receiver if I can still use my speakers and then upgrade those over time as speakers are really expensive. So maybe posting links to the receivers from there would help also..

Again, thanks again in advanced. Sorry for the long post but hopefully it's info that can help.

Thanks,
Jake

[The Dream Master]

Zombie, I'll try to help you out, bud.

As you know, there are currently three HD audio codecs, so I'll break 'em down one by one.

PCM: To get this, your receiver and your player needs to either have HDMI or analog outputs. It's the simplest HD audio format to get right now.

Dolby TrueHD: This is where things get trickier. To get this, you need to either have a receiver or a player that can decode the format. Currently, the PS3 does decode it, so you're okay there if you upgrade to an HDMI compliant receiver.

DTS HD-MA: Same as above, except the PS3 can't decode it, yet (a firmware upgrade might fix this, or it might not).

Okay, so if you're looking for a new receiver, you're probably going to want to get one that can decode the new audio formats. I suggest the Onkyo on this page (http://www.onkyousa.com/model.cfm?m=TX-SR605&class=Receiver&p=i). It has everything you need so you're future proofed. However, here's a big catch: all your stuff needs to be HDMI 1.3 compliant (http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/853). This allows your player to send the advanced audio as a bitstream so the receiver can decode it. The PS3 can't do that, but since it can decode it by itself, this isn't a big deal.

As for speakers, if you're listening to a 6.1 or 7.1 soundtrack over 5 speakers, you don't lose any sound information. Your equipment is smart enough to send all the information and disperse it among your two rear speakers.

As for TVs, I see you have Mitsubishi--stick with them and get their newest model that includes multiple HDMI inputs and all that. It does all possible resolutions, so you're covered there. They're also HDMI 1.3 compliant, which will be a big deal on the video side of things soon, too.

So, to break it down for you, if you upgrade all your stuff and continue to use your PS3, you'll be able to get PCM and Dolby TrueHD audio over HDMI, and DTS HD might come in the future. If you ever start to use another BD player, the Onkyo should have you covered on the audio side of things. Hope this helps you a little bit.

[Biosynthnut v.2]

Picked up HP Order of the Phoenix on HD...it's really really F'n sweet. The PQ is flawless, and the audio is top notch. Plan on grabing the rest soon.

Also Warner has stated once more they are Neutral, and some other site ( HDNOW) is saying a big BD studio is going neutral.

I'd guess Fox if anything or Lionsgate...

[The Dream Master]

If I had to guess, I'd say Lion's Gate because Fox loves Blu-ray's copy-protection schemes.

[Biosynthnut v.2]

Picked up HP S,Stone.

That or Miramax

[Biosynthnut v.2]

Samsung BDUP-5000 has started selling today at best buys and Crutchfield, Amazon.com.

So far doesn't do bitstream audio over HDMI, Doesn't do any HD audio codecs over analog..... TrueHD is 2 channel analog..
But their is still the firmware update for the DTS-MA and hopefully it will also fix the TrueHD over analog aswell.

I read through 16 pages on the AVS forum for any info.. So as it stands until their is a clear update for correcting would should be out of the box I will be holding off on this one...:( If not will be picking it up by march.

[The Dream Master]

I received this beauty in the mail on Christmas Eve:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51tSJ3dMBjL._SS400_.jpg

I haven't even watched anything yet and I'm prepared to call this one of the greatest home video sets ever made. I can't wait to dig into it.

[Gringo Loco]

I got the regular Blu-ray version. It should arrive tomorrow or thursday.

TDM, I would totally put in the final cut right now, hehe. I hear it looks fantastic.

[The Dream Master]

Yeah, I've heard nothing but good things about all of the cuts (except for the lossy audio for the archival cuts). I'm pretty exhausted right now, but I'm planning on watching The Final Cut tomorrow.

[Uncle Hoody]

This question is 50/50 serious.

Do Blu-Ray/HD-DVD movies come in full screen versions?

I'm partly sarcastic but at the same time, a certain member of my family (my father) raises seven kinds of hell about widescreen. Even though he has a 55+ (not sure I know its b/t 55 and 59) inch tv. Everytime I get a movie he says "they didn't have one w/o the wide screen crap?"

The WS vs FS debate is for a different thread. I'm just illustrating the point of why I'm asking. If he/we upgrade, and he independently goes movie shopping in the appropriate section, I want to know if he's going to be coming home with a fullscreen hi def movie.


And for that matter, how's the transfer on FS movies on a Blu-Ray/HD movie anyway? Just curiosity.

[sCabbOy]

I really doubt they will do HD/BR with fullscreen since HD TVs are widescreen.

[The Dream Master]

Nope, no modified aspect ratio versions of movies in HD, thank God.

The only way you ever see anything in a 4:3 ratio is if it was filmed that way in the first place.