Friday the 13th, Part VI: Jason Lives [Archive]

CanadianFonzie

07-14-2007, 03:10 AM

sure I own and like this movie...but it certainly is my least *favourite* FT13 (I enthuse the "favourite" cause there are the FT13's I don't like such as Jason X and...Jason X, unless ofcourse you concider FvJ an FT13)

I like the scene where Jason doesn't kill that kid it showed he has a heart, believe it or not

the one character I feel sorry for was...again I forgot the names the one who got the shit slaughtered out of her, I felt so sorry for her cause she was one of the nicer members

MaDMaNMaRz

07-14-2007, 03:42 AM

I've always thought that JL was really overrated. There was TOO much intentional humor. Some people like it, but I never really did. I was also never fond of the Zombie Jason.

Shoesalesman

07-14-2007, 04:11 AM

Cooper's He's Back (The Man Behind The Mask) got me into this one. One of the best looking female leads in the series (next to Ginny :drool: ), but I'm not too fond of the bright neon blood, especially in the staff cabin when the sheriff peeks in upon arriving at the camp.

sCabbOy

07-14-2007, 04:23 AM

It's horribly overrated. It's a fun movie, but it has to be left at that.

CampNewBlood

07-14-2007, 10:04 AM

I do not like comedy in movies series that didn't have comedy to begin with. Fright Night and Fright Night 2 both had comedy. Friday the 13th isn't meant to be funny. What's the point? It is supposed to be scary.

Jason Lives...I like it because it is part of the Friday the 13th franchise. Nothing more. The best part in it is the opening scenes at the graveyard. Those are really cool....how the lightening strikes and all, but after the credits, it just goes downhill.

CanadianFonzie

07-14-2007, 04:18 PM

One of the best looking female leads in the series

I would have to disagree and go with Trish from part 4...and Chris from part 3

sCabbOy

07-14-2007, 05:35 PM

I think Debbie and Chris from 3 were the best duo (look wise) of female leads.

Dramarama

07-14-2007, 10:27 PM

I think that was Paula, and that was Tom Savini getting smashed through the window, ouch. Oh and was it all abou Megan's boots?

sure I own and like this movie...but it certainly is my least *favourite* FT13 (I enthuse the "favourite" cause there are the FT13's I don't like such as Jason X and...Jason X, unless ofcourse you concider FvJ an FT13)

I like the scene where Jason doesn't kill that kid it showed he has a heart, believe it or not

the one character I feel sorry for was...again I forgot the names the one who got the shit slaughtered out of her, I felt so sorry for her cause she was one of the nicer members

Wheatjedi

07-14-2007, 11:10 PM

Yep.... that was Paula in Part VI, but Savini had nothing to do with that chapter. He smashed through the window in the first film (as Brenda).

James M

07-15-2007, 12:29 AM

I like the scene where Jason doesn't kill that kid it showed he has a heart, believe it or not

Only because he heard the cops show up and he wanted to get rid of the biggest threat. He sure seemed to want to kill Tommy in The Final Chapter. I don't think he broke through that window to hug him. For this reason, to me, the "Jason wouldn't kill a kid" thing has about as much merit as that "can't die" and regeneration crap they made up as they went along in the last two films.

But back to the "wouldn't kill a kid" thing, I think people just want some positive stigma on Jason to root for him. Sorry to tell you, but Jason would kill a kid if they were in the way and a bigger threat didn't present itself. The Final Chapter doesn't lie.

Joshg

07-15-2007, 03:33 AM

The most annoying of the series, but far from the worst...I guess. >.>

The annoyances don't stay in the film though. It's the controversy around the film. If we wanted to see Return of the Living Dead, we'd go see that, but leave the funny bits out! It's the cheesy Friday the 13th series, with hidden slashers, and characters to boot that you care about. The ones in this film...besides select few like Paula...just aren't interesting! Funny, yes. Entertaining, yes. Effective...nada, unless you're looking for a comedy. Then it fits perfectly.

And now I feel sad for going off on it. :( I'd still give it a 5/10

mcilroga

07-15-2007, 03:54 AM

Extremely overrated.

The only Friday the 13th flick without any nudity, 'Nuff said.

sCabbOy

07-15-2007, 06:36 AM

Only because he heard the cops show up and he wanted to get rid of the biggest threat. He sure seemed to want to kill Tommy in The Final Chapter. I don't think he broke through that window to hug him. For this reason, to me, the "Jason wouldn't kill a kid" thing has about as much merit as that "can't die" and regeneration crap they made up as they went along in the last two films.

But back to the "wouldn't kill a kid" thing, I think people just want some positive stigma on Jason to root for him. Sorry to tell you, but Jason would kill a kid if they were in the way and a bigger threat didn't present itself. The Final Chapter doesn't lie.

I agree completely. He wanted to kill Tommy, and the only thing that stopped him from killing a kid in Jason Lives was Tommy and the approaching people.

girlychaos

07-17-2007, 03:56 AM

I love JL...for several reasons...

You guys were talking about the best good looking female leads....so, now it's time for us to talk about the male ones! Thom Matthews is really handsome!! To me he is the best looking one...Crispin Glover was not a lead, but he looked really cute too....so did Andy (part 3) and Doug (part 4). Any others?? ;)

Utellme

07-17-2007, 04:24 AM

Love this one i give it 9/10 fast paced,Megan's hot. Car chase first time in the series Thom Matthews played a good Tommy.Not the same old 1 hero girl survivor i mean i know it works but this movie had a duo at the end Tom and Meagan both messing up Jason.And of course Alice Cooper music perfect fit,and comedy.

Wish they could of introduced Elias Voorhees on the screen

girlychaos

07-17-2007, 04:28 AM

Yeah...great soundtrack!

Wheatjedi

07-17-2007, 04:29 AM

Fancy Corkscrew

07-17-2007, 04:31 AM

All I gotta say is "This is gonna be a hairy turn" .....so classy

girlychaos

07-17-2007, 04:32 AM

LOL.....that was really funny!

Wheatjedi

07-17-2007, 04:35 AM

"Hang on...." :) Oh yeah...... :D

Fancy Corkscrew

07-17-2007, 04:37 AM

I wonder who got to do the insert shots of her camel toe?

Utellme

07-17-2007, 04:42 AM

All I gotta say is "This is gonna be a hairy turn" .....so classy

Im not the one with the funny red nose wherever the red dot goes you bang

Wheatjedi

07-17-2007, 04:44 AM

I wonder who got to do the insert shots of her camel toe?

I've always thought it was Jennifer Cooke. Please let me keep thinking that. :)

Utellme

07-17-2007, 04:46 AM

lol it is.Theres just a small cam in the steering wheel

Fancy Corkscrew

07-17-2007, 04:47 AM

No I mean who actually shot it? Was it second unit or the main cameraman?

Wheatjedi

07-17-2007, 04:49 AM

It was me. I did it. And we weren't in that car either..... :cool: heh heh heh

Fancy Corkscrew

07-17-2007, 04:52 AM

I like to think you are just a creeper who was going around sneaking crotch shots of her and submitting them to the director.

Wheatjedi

07-17-2007, 04:56 AM

How did you know??? :shock:

Fancy Corkscrew

07-17-2007, 04:58 AM

I didn't.....you just told me........mwahahahaha!!!!

Wheatjedi

07-17-2007, 05:01 AM

Dang it all! Foiled again!!!!! :mad:

Utellme

07-17-2007, 05:07 AM

Dig him up do they think im a farthead

girlychaos

07-17-2007, 05:16 AM

Dig him up do they think im a farthead

LOL...Martin should be on the calendar too!!! :D

Fancy Corkscrew

07-17-2007, 05:17 AM

Some folks got a strange idea of entertainment.

Wheatjedi

07-17-2007, 05:18 AM

Yes! Shelly, Junior, Raymond, Harold, Enos, Ralph, someone I forget, Martin, and.....

Deathscythe

07-17-2007, 05:21 AM

and Joey from A New Beginning!

girlychaos

07-17-2007, 05:21 AM

Chuck! How could you forget that???!!!

And Steve Christy....oh...Ted (part 2) is gorgeous as well!!! LOL

Wheatjedi

07-17-2007, 05:24 AM

Chuck! My bad....

Jan: Shelly
Feb: Junior
Mar: Raymond
Apr: Harold
May: Enos
June: Chuck
July: Ralph
Aug: Martin
Sept: Joey
Oct: ?
Nov: ?
Dec: ?

Fancy Corkscrew

07-17-2007, 05:27 AM

Steve Christy was giving out free moustash rides to the females. Hell we should make an entire topic dedicated to that mans shorts in the wood chopping scene.

Deathscythe

07-17-2007, 05:29 AM

Chuck! My bad....

Jan: Shelly
Feb: Junior
Mar: Raymond
Apr: Harold
May: Enos
June: Chuck
July: Ralph
Aug: Martin
Sept: Joey
Oct: ?
Nov: ?
Dec: ?

Save the best for last, Zombie Jason for December.

Fan of Freddy

07-17-2007, 05:30 AM

Right then. Getting back on track; this is the only entry I really have mixed feelings about. It was a good start for zombie Jason, but I felt there was way to much humor in here. I find it an awkward fit to the series when you look at the more serious tone of the ones that came before and after it; The Final Chapter and The New Blood.

I did appreciate the overall plot; Tommy Jarvis looking to finish his business for good, but finding that it has to come down to himself vs. Jason again. The way Jason is resurrected is pretty cool, and it works in the context of the series. The climax of the movie is very entertaining as well. But I feel that the humor mixed in at times is overdone and in the long run drags the movie down. Not the best way to present Jason coming back to life.

girlychaos

07-17-2007, 05:30 AM

Chuck! My bad....

Jan: Shelly
Feb: Junior
Mar: Raymond
Apr: Harold
May: Enos
June: Chuck
July: Ralph
Aug: Martin
Sept: Joey
Oct: ?
Nov: ?
Dec: ?

Harold has to be the March guy....it's my birhtday!!! LOL
Oct: Steve Christy
Nov: Ted
Dec: Tierney....is that it? LOL

Wheatjedi

07-17-2007, 05:37 AM

That'll work. :)

Back to Jason Lives.... I just love the opening to this film. IMO, it's the best original opening (Parts 4 and 7 being recaps) to any Friday film.

girlychaos

07-17-2007, 05:42 AM

I do agree...especially cause you can't help but remember Tommy did have that dream.

Utellme

07-17-2007, 05:53 AM

Dig him up do they think im a farthead

Like the sign says you are now leaving forest green dont forget to buckle up.You are damn lucky,kid

Fancy Corkscrew

07-17-2007, 02:02 PM

I liked how Jason had not only a machete in this one, but throwing knives as well. It made him seem like an effective killing machine rather than the "retard on a rampage" we had know before. I like to seperate the Friday films into eras. Pre-zombie and post-zombie Jason eras and judge the films according to that. I don't think it is fair to judge this one according to the same criteria as the original 5. The series clearly goes in a different direction here. I think the first four films are better overall but zombie era was a nice change of pace and really solidified Jason as a horror icon.

Lammert

07-17-2007, 02:15 PM

Any others?? ;)

Steve Christy(Peter Brouwer) from Part 1? ;)

Jason Lives is the best of the later sequels(6 till FvsJ), it's got a nice fast pace and it doesn't get boring at all! Great kills and this was probably the only way to bring Jason back from the dead at the time.

Altough I would rather have a more realistic sequel to Part 5, this movie kicks ass!

Shoesalesman

07-17-2007, 04:37 PM

Joshg

07-18-2007, 01:21 AM

Right before we go under water to see Jason's eyelid move at the very end, one of my favorite scenes is the wide shot of the lake with the trees behind it. It made me recall the importance of seeing/experiencing the lake under the sun in the first four movies.

Come to think of it... there were no daytime shots of the lake in the movie before this one.

That was my favorite shot of the movie too. It captured atmosphere perfectly, and the scoring was god and creepy there. When I think long and hard about it, it's sad to realise that the film could have possibly had that feeling all throughout. But it didn't. :(

CampNewBlood

07-18-2007, 02:26 AM

It's funny how there is no axe used in the movie or one even shown for that matter (well not that I remember) and that the Jason Lives mobile hanging video store display has an axe on it.

I just now noticed that while sitting here lookin at mine.

girlychaos

07-18-2007, 03:27 AM

Steve Christy(Peter Brouwer) from Part 1? ;)

Jason Lives is the best of the later sequels(6 till FvsJ), it's got a nice fast pace and it doesn't get boring at all! Great kills and this was probably the only way to bring Jason back from the dead at the time.

Altough I would rather have a more realistic sequel to Part 5, this movie kicks ass!

Yeah...I did remember him....the calendar is full now, but I'm seriously thinking about replacing Tierney (part 1) for Billy (part 5)....what do you think? :D

CampNewBlood

07-18-2007, 03:45 AM

The way Jason was brought back in Jason Lives is great. I love the whole lightning thing.

But then they had to copy it in JTM with the electrical shock at the beginning.

girlychaos

07-18-2007, 04:01 AM

The way Jason was brought back in Jason Lives is great. I love the whole lightning thing.

But then they had to copy it in JTM with the electrical shock at the beginning.

Yes...it's close to perfection IMO. I always loved that scene...in JL.

Mr. Undertaker

07-18-2007, 04:07 AM

this is one of the most pissed off jason's ever.... i mean.... he was hungry!

girlychaos

07-18-2007, 04:14 AM

this is one of the most pissed off jason's ever.... i mean.... he was hungry!

Not as much as he was on part VII though.

SmiTheReeNs*

07-18-2007, 04:53 AM

Jason in TNB was mean and hungry but in JL he was speeding walking at you with full force! he wasnt playin any games..dunno whos faster Jason human or Jason zombie?

Toejam

07-18-2007, 05:16 AM

Jason definitely had a "power walk" in this one.

Wheatjedi

07-18-2007, 10:29 AM

Yeah...I did remember him....the calendar is full now, but I'm seriously thinking about replacing Tierney (part 1) for Billy (part 5)....what do you think? :D

Tierney should stay. He can keep the others in line because, "We ain't gonna stand for no weirdness out here." :)

Lammert

07-18-2007, 10:47 AM

Wasn't it Dorf who said that line...? ;)

Rich

07-18-2007, 06:29 PM

That was Dorf who said that line. That was his only scene in the movie. He didn't look like he knew how to ride the bike very well.

Wheatjedi

07-18-2007, 06:32 PM

Wasn't it Dorf who said that line...? ;)

Oops! You're right. I had them switched around. :)

Lammert

07-18-2007, 07:30 PM

That was Dorf who said that line. That was his only scene in the movie. He didn't look like he knew how to ride the bike very well.

That scene wasn't in Victor Miller's original script, becuase he wanted the Camp to be isolated, and then suddenly this cop pops up.

I love this scene tough, some classics lines... "don't smoke, causes cancer.." haha that makes me laugh every time.

CampNewBlood

07-19-2007, 09:55 AM

I remember back in 1986 when I went to see Jason Lives, they showed a trailer for Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2.

That just popped into my head so I thought I would share. :D It really has no relevance to Jason Lives, but anyway...lol

girlychaos

07-19-2007, 09:10 PM

Tierney should stay. He can keep the others in line because, "We ain't gonna stand for no weirdness out here." :)

Don't you think we've got to put Billy in the calendar though?? C'mon...he can't stay out of it! :)

Wheatjedi

07-19-2007, 09:14 PM

Well.... Billy was kind of nasty, wasn't he? He's in.... :)

girlychaos

07-19-2007, 09:49 PM

Great....but who's out? :confused:

James M

07-19-2007, 10:53 PM

Just wanted to say I get a kick out the "Yeah, fuck you Jason..." line.

Utellme

07-19-2007, 11:01 PM

Tommy would you just leave that thing alone my heart cant take no more of this.

SmiTheReeNs*

07-20-2007, 04:26 PM

I downloaded JL on my pc..its funny i see a mirror image when Tommy is tryin to get away from Jason in the gravepit..musta been a bad edited verison or maybe not do the people with the boxset see anything of the sort?

Lammert

07-20-2007, 04:32 PM

Download..?!

Support these films and buy them!

Franchise

07-20-2007, 04:49 PM

I agree with buying the films that you're interested in. Jason Lives can easily be found at a pawnshop for about $4. That's on a bad day. Movies just aren't as expensive as they used to be. Support the people who make these movies even if you don't like the companies that own the properties.

SmiTheReeNs*

07-20-2007, 05:06 PM

Download..?!

Support these films and buy them!
A simple answer woulda been nice..but yea ive downloaded every Friday the 13th installment..i still wanna get the boxset though.. and yes im still supporting !

Shoesalesman

07-20-2007, 08:50 PM

Download..?!

Support these films and buy them!

Yes, good call. I bought VHS tapes of the series and now that I plan to get the box set I'm sending the covers out to be autographed so I can put them on display.

There's something about the F13 packaging that you can't get from a download.

Speck

07-22-2007, 03:22 AM

I think Tom McGloughlin did the best commentary out of all the movies in the boxset. It was very informative, thorough, and didn't withold any information.

sCabbOy

07-22-2007, 03:33 AM

I still like the PArt II commentary better, this is next then 7 then 8

Speck

07-22-2007, 03:53 AM

I still like the PArt II commentary better, this is next then 7 then 8

You mean part III right? I didn't think part II had a commentary.

CampNewBlood

07-22-2007, 03:54 AM

I liked Tommy in Final Chapter and A New Beginning ALOT more than I did in Jason Lives. The Tommy in ANB was far more true to the character of Tommy from Final Chapter.

Jason Lives Tommy was basically nothing like the previous two. No self made masks, no real seriousness in the character. He didn't even act traumatized anymore. To me atleast. He was too care-free and comical for my taste.

That's not to say I don't like the movie.....I do in terms of it being part of the franchise, but I like the darker, more serious tones the previous ones had.

Joshg

07-22-2007, 04:43 AM

I agree. Tommy from Part VI wasn't a good one because he didn't follow through with the previous two.

Lots of people love Part VI Tommy though, although I think that's because they like the movie lots, so they'll say that. I dunno, just my thoughts.

CampNewBlood

07-22-2007, 05:08 AM

Yea the Tommy in Part V was actually very believable of someone who had just had to defend himself from a killer...especially the way it happened.
But Part 6 Tommy...from the word go....he acted as if he had just come from a party or something.

I dunno.

Deathscythe

07-22-2007, 05:09 AM

I like Jason Lives Tommy, in my opinion he gave the movie a Dr. Loomis type character.

Jigsaw

07-22-2007, 06:15 AM

Tommy in JL showed some signs of Tommy from ANB, albeit much more sane and controlled with his temper; when he grabbed the shotgun off of Garris' gun rack after Garris and Rick didn't believe him about Jason's return, how he led them on a car chase to the cemetery, how he went out to the lake to lure out Jason, etc. and at times he even seemed a little like Crazy Ralph with him going off about Jason. I also always believed that the hockey mask he gave Jason in JL was one that he made himself.

girlychaos

07-22-2007, 06:42 AM

Tommy did sound like Crazy Ralph in JL. LOL
Even though it's the same character, Thom Matthews did a better job at being Tommy IMO.

sCabbOy

07-22-2007, 06:46 AM

girlychaos

07-22-2007, 06:53 AM

To me the way he's more sane, calm and collected is a result from years of therapy, heavy drugs and finally "accepting" what happened...but I really do get your point.

sCabbOy

07-22-2007, 06:59 AM

If it was really a lot of years I can accept that. But, it really couldn't have been more than 5-8 years after the events in TFC. According to a Fango, it was supposed to be 5 years after ANB, which was supposed to be 5 years after TFC, right?

There's no way that movie was supposed to be se tin 1994.

Eh, minor flaws.

girlychaos

07-22-2007, 07:20 AM

Yeah...it doesn't make sense at all. But the character was "built" to show improvement due to the years that passed (along with therapy and drugs) so...that's why I like it better. But you know what? I guess I never thought about how many years it actually had been all together (TFC - JL).

CampNewBlood

07-22-2007, 07:57 AM

I disagree. I thought Tommy in Jason Lives is a complete mirror image of what Tommy was. Tommy in ANB was more indicative of being through hell and losing his family. Tommy in Jason Lives was too "sane", calm and collected.

I agree. I mean, I like Thom Matthews as an actor and all, but his portrayal of Tommy was kinda off for me.

Ron

07-22-2007, 01:47 PM

Thom Matthews : Wet's go to Cwistoo wake!

Lammert

07-22-2007, 03:39 PM

I agree. I mean, I like Thom Matthews as an actor and all, but his portrayal of Tommy was kinda off for me.

Indeed... he has changed quite a bit after Part V.
Remember in V when Matt says "they have given him every threatment they could think of"... and in VI he's all better and cured and he can't stop talking.

Ron

07-22-2007, 04:29 PM

in 5 he resembled jeffery dahmer a little too much for my liking.

sCabbOy

07-22-2007, 05:32 PM

I liked him in 5. He was more Tommy like than Thom Mathews, IMO. From a psychological, mental and personality standpoint.

Fancy Corkscrew

07-22-2007, 07:49 PM

Yeah I think part 5 Tommy was the best. But you gotta love some of Thom Matthew's line deliveries..................."Hand me the padlock" "I tried to burn Jason's body but I fucked up!!"

Melanie Jarvis

07-22-2007, 08:04 PM

My favorite Tommy will always be Corey Feldman. I think the series would have gone in a way better direction if he had been able to return.

Nancy Thompson

07-22-2007, 08:54 PM

I like Jason Lives Tommy, in my opinion he gave the movie a Dr. Loomis type character.

I am with you on that he gave the movie a Dr Loomis feeling

Shoesalesman

07-22-2007, 08:56 PM

Yeah I think part 5 Tommy was the best. But you gotta love some of Thom Matthew's line deliveries..................."Hand me the padlock" "I tried to burn Jason's body but I fucked up!!"

I prefer every other Tommy in comparison to Thom. Don't get me wrong, he rocks, but I cringe sometimes when I hear his lines.

He was way better in Return of The Living Dead.

Joshg

07-22-2007, 09:08 PM

I agree. While he's a good actor, (especially in RotLD) the scenes he had in Part VI were nauseating. Like:

"Jason's alive. He's even more powerful now that...blah blah"
"You're gonna be sorry"
"Hawes"

And I've got to say, for someone who has just seen someone brought back from the dead, he doesn't look too surprised. Sure, when his friend gets killed he does, but other than that, he looks terrible.

Like I said though, Thom's a good actor. (You hear that George Clooney, no need to get aggravted >.>)

Shoesalesman

07-22-2007, 09:13 PM

However, he did have the best view of all Tommys combined in Megan's car. :shy:

Joshg

07-22-2007, 09:17 PM

Better than the Feldman look-out at the other house?
Or the Sherperd stare at the soaked wet boobies covered up by a white shirt?

Hmm, well. Tommy sure gets lucky. Oh, the skinny dipping scene! Man, that's one lucky guy.

girlychaos

07-22-2007, 10:29 PM

Thom's a very good actor and I had no problem whatsoever with his performance as Tommy, not just because he's cute at all...he really convinced me...and IMO he didn't look surprised when he saw Jason coming back from the dead cause he did have that dream before, and in a way....he was "expecting" it to happen. But I understand where you guys are coming from. And I also think Corey would be the best choice...but he wasn't old enough back then.

Melanie Jarvis

07-22-2007, 10:31 PM

That's my point though. Corey was only like 14, so if he would have been able to do it then they wouldn't have had to make the storyline jump up about 8 years. It could have actually left off where part 4 ended which would have kept the series on track.

sCabbOy

07-22-2007, 10:33 PM

Thom is a very good actor. I agree... he was great in ROTLD 1 and 2 and I am sure he was great in every other role he's done.

I liked Shepherd's portrayal. He didn't say much, but then again if I was Tommy I don't think I would say much either.

Mr. Undertaker

07-22-2007, 10:53 PM

well, it's really tough to choose one tommy or another(older tommys). I mean, both did great playing tommy, but we must understand that each one was in a different place in time... in part V tommy was still accepting the fact that he indeed killed Jason, in part VI he was on the end of his treatment, he was 99% cured, and the last thing he needed to do to get rid of Jason for good on his mind was to kill him again, wich turned to worse but thats another story. All and all, IMO both did great but the more convincing performance in tommys timeline perspective is Thom.

Darth Sinister

07-22-2007, 11:27 PM

Joshg

07-22-2007, 11:42 PM

Umm, but has Tommy seen him come back from the dead before? With a lighting bolt at that?
Didn't think so. :D Oh Frankenstein, how you inspire.

girlychaos

07-23-2007, 01:31 AM

LOL...that was pretty funny!

But...as I said...he had dreamed about that already...deep down he was expecting it to happen. I know....it sounds crazy! :D

Wheatjedi

07-23-2007, 02:28 AM

No.... it makes perfect sense. The opening of Part V foreshadowed Jason's return, and I think it's safe to say that Tommy had several dreams like that over the years.

girlychaos

07-23-2007, 02:41 AM

I feel better now...thanks! :D

Shoesalesman

07-23-2007, 03:03 AM

Yeah, to the point where he felt he had to destroy the body before it came back. Imagine the conversation between Tommy and Hawes before they jumped in the truck bound for the graveyard. Or even their discussions about Jason a few weeks/months prior.

girlychaos

07-23-2007, 03:26 AM

It makes sense...especially cause Hawes went with Tommy out of friendship...he knew Tommy just wouldn't let go and figured he should help him somehow.

Wheatjedi

07-23-2007, 04:40 AM

Yeah. Hawes never, in a million years, expected Jason to come back to life. And why would he? Those things just don't happen. But Tommy knew it could.

Mr. Undertaker

07-23-2007, 06:25 AM

that's why tommy tried to wreck Jason's body for good

Wheatjedi

07-23-2007, 06:29 AM

Exactly. Too bad he had to snap for a few seconds there.....

girlychaos

07-23-2007, 06:33 AM

Poor Hawes...he really was a good friend.

Mr. Undertaker

07-23-2007, 06:34 AM

bad for his friend..... lol

SmiTheReeNs*

07-23-2007, 01:52 PM

Hawe's death was prolly my favorite in JL

Rich

07-23-2007, 05:41 PM

Hawes definitely had the best death. Many of them were good though. Paula and Steven had very scary scenes leading up to their deaths. The Sheriff had an awesome death being bent in half.

Deathscythe

07-23-2007, 07:58 PM

The triple machete death was my favorite kill.

Darth Sinister

07-23-2007, 09:28 PM

I don't think Hawes knew what Tommy was up to until after they had gotten away and Tommy picked up the supplies. No, Tommy had not seen Jason come back to life. But given Jason's reputation, he's not surprised when he's alive. Just how he came back.

Jigsaw

07-23-2007, 10:10 PM

Hawes' death is my favorite Jason kill. Jason seemed angry as Hell when he ripped out Hawes' heart.

Wheatjedi

07-23-2007, 10:14 PM

He was angry because he'd just gotten up from a really long sleep, and that moron came along and hit him with a shovel. It someone did that to me, I'd rip their heart out too! :)

Jigsaw

07-23-2007, 10:18 PM

I think we all would ;)

girlychaos

07-24-2007, 05:20 AM

Not me.... :angel:

Martin's death was cool too!

Wheatjedi

07-24-2007, 05:43 AM

It's a shame they didn't use the original ending with Martin and Mr. Voorhees. That would have been so cool!

Jigsaw

07-24-2007, 07:42 AM

I would've liked to have seen that ending as well. Tom McLaughlin had wanted to film that scene along with scenes that referenced the first film, but the producers weren't interested in that. Damn studio interference.

Utellme

07-24-2007, 01:36 PM

Why how does the alternate ending end ?

Lammert

07-24-2007, 01:38 PM

Martin the caretaker survives and Mr. Voorhees visits the graves of his wife and son. Martin says stuff like "i've been taking good care of your wife and son blablabla" and somehow Mr. Voorhees notices that Jason isn't in his grave and smiles or something.

The ending is in the book, but I haven't read that in years.

hack slash

07-24-2007, 02:14 PM

I believe in the book when Mr. Voorhees senses that Jason is not in the grave, he goes to the lake looks at the water then smiles

SmiTheReeNs*

07-24-2007, 02:15 PM

It woulda been kool to finally seen Jasons dad..i wonder if Elias is deformed himself or has the same features as JV

Wheatjedi

07-24-2007, 03:31 PM

Here is how Jason's father is described in the Part VI novel. Note that he is never called "Elias" in the novel. That name came about 7 years later.

"The thin, pale face was framed by long, dark red hair heavliy streaked with gray. It showed not a flicker of expression. The features were fine and chisled, deeply etched. The mouth was thin and cruel. But the eyes... Don't look at them eyes, thought Martin, no matter what you do.

Those eyes were like a snake's eyes, cold, ferel, ancient; they made Martin think of mausoleums and crypts shrouded with cobwebs and covered with the dust of centuries; they made him think of beasts snarling and snapping at each other, teeth rending flesh and crunching bone; they made him feel as if a thousand worms were writhing underneath his skin."

Mr. Voorhees never says a word. He comes to the cemetary and has a very brief meeting with Martin, who is clearly terrified of the man. Voorhees gives him some money and turns to visit his wife and son's graves. When he reaches them, he is somehow aware that Jason's grave has been disturbed.
He returns to Martin's shack and glares at the caretaker. Martin starts to panic and say things like, 'I didn't! I swear I didn't, Mr. Voorhees. I didn't know."

Voorhees then turns and looks in the direction of the lake. The scene shifts to the lake, where something is moving below the surface. The hockey mask breaks the surface of the lake and just floats there. All is slient for a moment, but then the wind picks up. Thunder is heard far off in the distance. The scene returns to the cemetary as Mr. Voorhees turns and leaves, "slowly weaving back through the maze of tombstones like a specter."

Darth Sinister

07-24-2007, 09:07 PM

McLaughlin had a good idea there and had probably hoped that if he got to come back like Steve Miner did, he could continue that story in the seventh film.

CampNewBlood

07-24-2007, 09:47 PM

That is pretty good. I would have loved to see that.

I wonder why in Jason Lives, Jason wasn't buried beside Pamela? That would have been cool to see her grave beside his. I know in The Final Chapter, it was on the side of the road in an isolated cemetary.

Any thoughts?

There is a new set of comics coming out...the first one is already out about Pamela Voorhees. Her life before she had Jason and leading up to it I presume. I wanna get those.

Utellme

07-24-2007, 09:59 PM

Thanks wheat i think they could of combined both endings and used them both.The novel ending and the film ending

Wheatjedi

07-24-2007, 10:46 PM

They sure could have. The only reason it wasn't used is because Paramount thought it made a Part VII too obvious. As if the ending used didn't do that anyway. I think it was more a metter of them not wanting to try and do something new. I wish it had been used.

BTW... You can read the original script at the Friday website.

Jigsaw

07-24-2007, 10:53 PM

It's possible that Pamela's grave may have been near Jason's but we never see it in the film.

sCabbOy

07-25-2007, 12:22 AM

CampNewBlood

07-25-2007, 12:35 AM

I know. He wasn't there for Jason or Pamela in the beginning, so why show up now. It's too little too late.

Darth Sinister

07-25-2007, 02:13 AM

Actually, we know next to nothing. Thus there is plenty of room for why he wasn't seen in the first couple of films. Before JGTH, we could easily assume that Jason's father was either a normal man or pure evil. The door was open either way. Since then, we're left to assume that Elias was a normal guy who couldn't deal with his wife's mental breakdown and thus left her. Depending on how old Diana was supposed to be, she might've been born after he remarried.

girlychaos

07-25-2007, 06:45 AM

I think Jason's dad should be completely irrelevant. The story is about a single mom and a kid. Elias should have been nothing like the two and not capable of evil. I hate how he's painted to be evil, or at least wanted to be evil..

I'm with you on this one. I don't think it makes sense to show him that "late" especially being evil....they were reaching too far IMO.

JVY2K

07-25-2007, 10:53 AM

sCabbOy

07-25-2007, 05:56 PM

There's room for anything, that doesn't make it relevant. Hell, Creighton could have been Elias. Jason could have been a mongoloid mulatto.... it's just when things go too deep behind we end up with Thorn and H6 bullshit.

Utellme

07-25-2007, 11:34 PM

Well with all the crazy things they tryed space NY body jumping etc.Putting Elias in the mix from anywhere in part 11-13 couln't hurt this franchise. And i dont think they would have to go stupid deep with it like H6 Thorn.Just take Jason back to Crystal Lake back to human, Jason POV'S running etc.In that setting maybe Elias would not be a bad idea

sCabbOy

07-25-2007, 11:36 PM

After JGTH, JX and FvJ, no nothing else can hurt the franchise. We can have E.T. do the killings and it wouldn't hurt.

girlychaos

07-25-2007, 11:41 PM

After JGTH, JX and FvJ, no nothing else can hurt the franchise. We can have E.T. do the killings and it wouldn't hurt.

:lmao: That's really funny...I can't stop laughing, yet...I get what you're saying. Makes sense.

Wheatjedi

07-25-2007, 11:47 PM

We can have E.T. do the killings and it wouldn't hurt.

HA! He could hack someone with a machete and then make his finger do that "glow" thing while saying, "Ouch," and try to heal them.

SmiTheReeNs*

07-26-2007, 02:13 AM

Ron

07-26-2007, 02:46 AM

so after all those insulting sequels all we have left is to be pleasantly surprised, right?

girlychaos

07-26-2007, 03:00 AM

We as fans are already insulted by JGTH,JX and FvJ so anything far fetched like body hoppin and havin a demon come outta his mouth wouldnt surprise me..what would surprise me is giving us good ol JV from parts 1-7

That would be a really nice surprise...snowy Camp Crystal Lake always seemed like a great idea to me...good old Jason and lots of snow.

Darth Sinister

07-26-2007, 09:25 PM

I'm not insulted by JGTH, JX and FvsJ. I'm insulted more by JTM. Actually, more like nauseated.

The Tall Man

07-26-2007, 11:33 PM

I'm insulted more by Friday 7 than I am 9, 10, or 11.

T.M.

Wheatjedi

07-26-2007, 11:46 PM

I'm insulted by all that followed Part 2 for not including my favorite character who played such an important role in Jason's jump through the window and who then ate Paul.

SmiTheReeNs*

07-27-2007, 12:19 AM

I'm insulted more by Friday 7 than I am 9, 10, or 11.

T.M.

How was the TNB insulting? i know it wasnt the best but definitely not the worst..regardless of the matter Jasons look covered anything i disliked about the movie

sCabbOy

07-27-2007, 12:29 AM

One thing that is insulting about TNB is the genericness of the movie. It's nothing but a (I say this a lot- forgive me) TFC clone. Nothing in that movie was redeeming but Jason and perhaps the Crews/Tina subplot.

Deathscythe

07-27-2007, 12:33 AM

How was the TNB insulting? i know it wasnt the best but definitely not the worst..regardless of the matter Jasons look covered anything i disliked about the movie

I agree, Jason design was awesome in this movie.

Shoesalesman

07-27-2007, 12:37 AM

There's a good pace to the storyline and the deaths are cool. Not sure why some people don't enjoy this movie, but I certainly do. Definitely in the top five F13s for me.

Wheatjedi

07-27-2007, 12:39 AM

It's nothing but a (I say this a lot- forgive me) TFC clone.

You're right about that. Daryl Haney even says in Crystal Lake Memories (on page 173) that Frank Mancuso Jr. instructed him to copy the structure of TFC when he wrote Part VII.

The Tall Man

07-27-2007, 03:47 AM

Scabboy summed up my feelings on it. Other than the Tina stuff, Friday 7 is just a boring retread of the films that came before it and it's directed by a man who had absolutely no interest in characters or characterization. Yeah, I think Friday 7 is the worst of the lot.

And I'm sorry guys, but I hate this Jason design. I don't like seeing his damned bones sticking through. And his face looks like a goddamned pirate. "Arrr, mateys! Arrr!" Damn... I wonder what happened to my picture of Pirate Jason. I also kept expecting a forked tongue to flick out of his mouth.

Wheat, that explains a LOT. And give that Muffin stuff a rest. PLEASE?!?!?

T.M.

Wheatjedi

07-27-2007, 04:04 AM

Muffin rules. ;)

Utellme

07-27-2007, 04:24 AM

If this movie only would of had a better cast and less mpaa cuts it could of been one of the best fr 13th's.I don't understand how the structure of 7 is like 4 ? But Jason's look in this film was simply awesome finally someone put some time and effort into Jason instead of throwing dickies on him and showing no past wear.Also Kane as Jason theres a reason he was Jason the most.

girlychaos

07-27-2007, 04:59 AM

I'm insulted by all that followed Part 2 for not including my favorite character who played such an important role in Jason's jump through the window and who then ate Paul.

Couldn't have said it better myself!!! :D

Rich

07-27-2007, 05:01 AM

We as fans are already insulted by JGTH,JX and FvJ so anything far fetched like body hoppin and havin a demon come outta his mouth wouldnt surprise me..what would surprise me is giving us good ol JV from parts 1-7

I am? :shifty: Not really. You may be insulted, but I don't think it is wise to speak for all of us. ;) I was not insulted by any of them, just entertained, despite the varying of quality from one film to the next. :cool:

It's nothing but a (I say this a lot- forgive me) TFC clone.

Come on though, it isn't like that all aren't clones of the original.

CampNewBlood

07-27-2007, 09:16 AM

Well I know this.....when Paramount sold the sequel rights or whatever they did, the movies have not been the same since. I preferred the Friday the 13th films when Paramount still had them.

Not to say I don't like the New Line Cinema "versions", but they were better back in the day with Paramount.

SmiTheReeNs*

07-27-2007, 02:29 PM

I am? :shifty: Not really. You may be insulted, but I don't think it is wise to speak for all of us. ;) I was not insulted by any of them, just entertained, despite the varying of quality from one film to the next. :cool:

Come on though, it isn't like that all aren't clones of the original.

Rich are you a lawyer or somethin? haha take it easy there buddy your puttin to much context on the word "we" your just one person.if you didnt get insulted by the films then i was talking about you..im reading posts and other people have the same feelings on specific films and mostly JTM thru FvJ..quit being a nerd..this is Friday the 13th forum try to enjoy it rather then pointing stuff out to me
ADDED:
wasnt*(excuse my misspelling there champ)

Utellme

07-28-2007, 01:04 AM

Either way i like everything about this movie excluding the cast.Tina's ok and the powers she has that was awesome at least it was a little bit of a change and it was at Crystal Lake.

And this TFC clone stuff i don't get this theory at all.IMO TNB blows TFC out of the water but that is my opinion.TFC is a clone of part 3 but part 6 is not a clone of part 2 this statement makes no sense neither does saying 1 film out of 11 is a clone of 1 other there all clones its all the same recipe Jason killing.

In fact comparing part 7 to 4 heres what i come up with.

TFC TNB

Jason-human Jason zombie
Jason-alive Jason dead at bottom of lake
Jason in hospital Jason in lake

Ok cast Hoorible cast
Blah Jason look Great Jason look
Ok Jason actor Better Jason actor

Endings are totally different no young boy in TNB either last 3 are my opinion.First 3 are facts and theres even more differences than i listed but i don't want to right a book here.Anyway hope i didn't affend anybody with this its just my opinion i like both films i like them all.And i respect your opinions also im just posting mine like you do.You might not agree with it but you don't have to.One thing were all here for the same reason we like these films.

sCabbOy

07-28-2007, 01:09 AM

The theory that TNB is a clone of TFC is a true theory. TNB was written in direct reflection of TFC. I personally think that TNB is very very weak in comparison to TFC.

Utellme

07-28-2007, 01:15 AM

The theory that TNB is a clone of TFC is a true theory. TNB was written in direct reflection of TFC. I personally think that TNB is very very weak in comparison to TFC.
Can you please explain to me how it is a clone ? And the others are not ? Do you really believe that it is a clone or are you just agreeing with what a director said ? Either way i respect your opinion its all good.

SmiTheReeNs*

07-28-2007, 01:43 AM

One think i can point out that TFC and TNB have in common is similar angles that Jason comes to kill his victims..the angle in which he killed nurse morgan in TFC and the angle in which Jason killed Michael in TNB

Utellme

07-28-2007, 01:48 AM

Yeah and thats 1 small example and that might be the only one.And if not then it gets back to there all clones.

Rich

07-28-2007, 08:57 AM

SmiTheReeNs*

07-28-2007, 02:27 PM

TNB will always be valued for me..its one of my favorite installments and i agree totally that it was the last Friday the 13th feel..it always dawns on me at the end of this film when the ambulence leaves so does the franchise

Utellme

07-28-2007, 03:22 PM

It is a clone because it opens with a history (which I really like) and it is about a group of people going to a party house. However, it is Tina's backstory and "disease" that carry this film and allow it to stand on it's own. For people who say this movie has no good character, characters like Tina, her mother, her doctor, Nick, and Melissa I believe prove them wrong.

You can say Part 2 was written in reflecion of Part 1. Heck you can even say Part 4 was written in reflection of Part 3. So, Part 7 was not the first movie to be similar to an installment that came before it.

Anyway I think Part 7 was the last real classic movie. After Part 7, the movies did not even feel like Friday the 13th movies anymore.
Thank you, well put but if people are basing it on the little 3 minute history.Thats still 1 small example, heck part 2 sorta has a little back history at the beginning so this makes TFC a clone of part 2. Actors Tina was great Crews and Sheppard get overrated either cause of there age or there role in the movie they were ok but not great.As for Melissa she was just there to look hot and she did but she fit right in with the rest of the bad cast imo.

Lammert

07-30-2007, 01:53 PM

Anyway I think Part 7 was the last real classic movie. After Part 7, the movies did not even feel like Friday the 13th movies anymore.

To me, the feeling died after Part 5.
Also, Jason Lives did feel more like an action movie then a horror. One of the great things in that movie is the pacing.. it's a fast movie. This is also the way Part 7 should have been, but that movie was just as slow as the swamp lake in that movie. Plus, Jason got overexposed and was suddenly moving slower.

SmiTheReeNs*

07-30-2007, 02:15 PM

I loved the pace in Part 6 it was quick hack n slash scenarios ex.(triple decapitation)..His power walking was very intimidating and at the sametime it got me excited hehe ..there was one part of the movie in which Jason was actually toyin around with his victims..when sheriff garris was shootin at him with all he has..he fell and played possum and just kept on coming back up!

Utellme

07-31-2007, 03:03 AM

I know some of you don't like the way Jason was brought back to life.But what else could of been done ? I know some will say series should of ended at 5 but it didn't and im glad it didn't.But let's say the series has to go on was there a better way to bring Jason back ?

Kane Lives

07-31-2007, 03:13 AM

One of the great things in that movie is the pacing.. it's a fast movie.

I loved that.

Probably my favorite thing about the movie in general.

girlychaos

07-31-2007, 03:46 AM

I love JL...pretty much everything about it. The death scenes are really great, not to mention the soundtrack.

sCabbOy

07-31-2007, 04:46 AM

See, I thought the pace hurt it. The fast/slow/fast/slow pace was a tad bit annoying. Each time you get into a scene it stops in it's tracks and then slows down to a bore. When the bore scene gets interesting it cuts to Jason mall-walking through the woods.

Wheatjedi

07-31-2007, 05:13 AM

.... it cuts to Jason mall-walking through the woods.

Today has been a horrible day for me, but that line actually made me smile. Thank you. :)

Joshg

07-31-2007, 07:48 AM

LOL, CJ really does mall-walk, doesn't he?
:P Wow, that made my day aswell Wheatjedi

Lammert

07-31-2007, 07:50 AM

Like muffingirl said, the music in this one is awesome! :)

SmiTheReeNs*

07-31-2007, 02:19 PM

haha @ mall-walking that was pretty funny

The Tall Man

07-31-2007, 11:32 PM

Lammert, Friday 6 has my favorite score of the series.

T.M.

Utellme

08-01-2007, 03:38 AM

The way Jason was brought back in Jason Lives is great. I love the whole lightning thing.

But then they had to copy it in JTM with the electrical shock at the beginning.
Yeah i like that scene also of the lake at the end of Jason Lives then his eye opens then the Alice music sweet.

As for the beginning i like how they brought Jason back.For those of you who don't like how they did it what other way could they bring Jason back ?

Wheatjedi

08-01-2007, 04:30 AM

As for the beginning i like how they brought Jason back.For those of you who don't like how they did it what other way could they bring Jason back ?

The opening of Jason Lives is one of my favorite sequences in the whole series, but you bring up a good question regarding other ways they could have brought Jason back to life.

girlychaos

08-01-2007, 05:01 AM

Like muffingirl said, the music in this one is awesome! :)

Yeah...it really is!

:lmao: You have no idea how hard I'm laughing right now...cause you called me "muffingirl". That was really funny and cute! :)

Darth Sinister

08-01-2007, 10:12 PM

I don't think there were too many ways to bring Jason back from the dead without resorting to the supernatural. The Frankenstien method was the only reasonable, if a bit far fetched method. Though it does have basis in real life. I mean, we do shock people with electricity to jump start their heart. Technically that's what happened with Jason and the Creature. FvsJ just had Freddy encourage him back to life.

SmiTheReeNs*

08-02-2007, 04:42 PM

Maybe some type of witchcraft? along the lines of what they showed us in the Voorhies house in JGTH but other then that the lighting bolt was a cleaver idea IMO

sCabbOy

08-02-2007, 05:05 PM

I'm not a huge fan of undead Jason, but yeah, the Frankenstein method was probably the better way. Voodoo, magic, and all of those methods would have been a lot cornier (not saying the method used wasn't).

What struck me funny was that electricity brought Jason back in Jason Lives, yet electricity knocked him out (much less than a lightening strike) in The NEw Blood. You'd think it would make him stronger.

Joshg

08-02-2007, 06:03 PM

I guess it's like the same button for stuff and...stuff >.>

Like a light flicker (bad choice of words).

Uh...You flick a light, power comes on, you flick a light when it's on, power goes off.

sCabbOy

08-02-2007, 06:41 PM

I guess that's a logical way to explain it. Haha

Rich

08-02-2007, 07:24 PM

I think in The New Blood it ultimitely did make him stronger. He fell because it was a lot of electricity at once, and he had to take it all in, but did you see him once he got up?

Deathscythe

08-02-2007, 08:32 PM

I just rewatched this movie, kinda ironic theres a girl called Nancy that is having nightmares.

Rich

08-02-2007, 09:16 PM

There was a girl named Nancy who was having nightmares...of a monster...who was everywhere.

I don't remember Tom McLoughlin every saying so, but I think this could have been a tribute to Freddy. He has so many other tributes in the movie (Frankenstein, Boris Karloff, Sean Cunningham, John Carpenter), that is makes me think that was definitely a Freddy tribute.

The Tall Man

08-02-2007, 11:39 PM

but did you see him once he got up?
Yeah, he was still trudging around... and no mile-wide, pissed-off steps. ;)

T.M.

Joshg

08-03-2007, 02:35 AM

Uh, just watched a few scenes of this film for fun. May I just say the score is freaking terrible!!! Argh! Nice soundtrack, but the music...errr,

Sissy and Paula make great characters.

The Tall Man

08-03-2007, 03:18 AM

I think the score is the best of the series. It's just so listenable. I really love it.

T.M.

MaDMaNMaRz

08-03-2007, 03:51 AM

I'm not crazy about the score in JL either. I like the scores in Parts 1-5. After that, they were borderlining decent, IMO.

girlychaos

08-03-2007, 04:26 AM

I have no problems with the scores in JL.

But the soundtrack is really great...one of the best IMO.

The Dream Master

08-04-2007, 08:21 AM

The Jason Lives score actually stands out as being a bit different than the first five films for me. The main theme of JL might actually b my favorite bit that Manfredini ever did for the F13 series.

Rich

08-07-2007, 03:08 AM

As far as my favorite theme, I would have to go with Friday 2 for that one.

My favorite moment in Jason Lives however is when the two are making out at their evening picknick and they hear a scream. The guy investigates to see Jason cutting someone up with the machete. Jason spots the guy spying on him and chases him, and finally puts the machete through both him and his girlfriend at the same time.

sCabbOy

08-07-2007, 03:35 AM

I like the TNB score better. I dunno, I listen to it a lot. The score for this sounds more like a Caddy Shack movie at times than a F13th.

Utellme

08-07-2007, 04:26 AM

Seems like the part 7 score has a darker sound to it if that makes sense.

Rich

08-07-2007, 05:15 AM

I believe it does to, UTellme, but that is also because it was a darker movie. Jason Lives tried to be more intertaining then scary, as said by the director himself.

I think Jason Lives has great characters though. This version of Tommy and Sheriff Garis are amoung my favorite characters in the entire series.

El Rooto

08-07-2007, 05:29 AM

Seems like the part 7 score has a darker sound to it if that makes sense.

The main titles and that intense drumbeat made me know that we were in for a darker film than JL.

Rich

08-07-2007, 05:48 AM

The opening song for The New Blood was just plain scary. I have to say, I'm a sucker for the opening to Jason Lives with Jason slicing the screen.

Deathscythe

08-07-2007, 06:37 AM

I love the James Bond style opening in Jason Lives.

sCabbOy

08-07-2007, 03:18 PM

It was amusing, but IMO the furthest thing away from a F13th feel. The Bond opening should have been left to teasers.

Utellme

08-07-2007, 09:26 PM

I don't think just cause there was humor in this movie made it any less a Friday the 13th IMO.You still have Jason ,Crystal Lake, counselors all the formula is there only with humor and a fast pace which i feel the franchise needed.

Name 1 death in the movie by Jason where there was to much humor that it took away from the kill ? I can't think of one

sCabbOy

08-07-2007, 11:22 PM

I didn't think the opening was humorous, I thought it was stupid.

The franchise didn't need humor at all. Every movie had humor and the perfect amounts. I can name one movie where the kill came off more humorous than scary thus taking away from the kill- many. Rick Part III, Paul Part IV, Caretaker Part VI, Kate Part VII, Julius Part VIII, Shelby & Joey JGTH... and so on.

But that doesn't bother me. Yeah VI has what the others have, but so did FvJ and that movie IMO lacked feel.

SmiTheReeNs*

08-07-2007, 11:35 PM

Humorous but yet very unique kills at the sametime..i guess it was well balanced

sCabbOy

08-07-2007, 11:40 PM

Humorous but yet very unique kills at the sametime..i guess it was well balanced

Well, that's true... they were unique but I still laugh at them and that for me takes away the "realness" of them and of course the "scary" factor. Not that I find any kill in the series scary.

Utellme

08-08-2007, 12:46 AM

Yeah but by now we would love to see a movie even remotely close to part 6.It had all the old recipe which has been switched for sailboat cruises,body jumping,and space travel and you want to talk about humor.Part 6n7 are the last of the old school only Jason is a zombie.

El Rooto

08-08-2007, 12:52 AM

I consider ANB to be the last of the old school, because in JL and beyond, it's impossible not to root for Jason...

MaDMaNMaRz

08-08-2007, 01:11 AM

I agree with you. Starting with JL, they made Jason the primary character in the films. He shouldn't be in the spotlight.....that's one reason why Parts 6-10 were less creepy.

Utellme

08-08-2007, 01:24 AM

I agree with that i like the old Jason POV and less seen but those days are over we are not gonna get that anymore.Cause a lot of people want to see Jason i like either way im not hard to please.Im just saying if im gonna see Jason a lot id rather it in a real setting such as Crystal Lake rather than all the other gimmicks.

SmiTheReeNs*

08-08-2007, 02:33 AM

Jason made his appearance wayyyy too much in JTM...i was noticing it in JL and TNB like you guys but it jus got completey ridiculous in Part 8..

Rich

08-08-2007, 04:56 AM

Name 1 death in the movie by Jason where there was to much humor that it took away from the kill ? I can't think of one

Okay, I will. How about when Jason ripped the guy's arm off and he flew into the tree, and you saw a bloody smiley face in the tree? Now that was very dumb.

The Dream Master

08-08-2007, 06:37 AM

I agree with you. Starting with JL, they made Jason the primary character in the films. He shouldn't be in the spotlight.....that's one reason why Parts 6-10 were less creepy.

Totally agreed. As soon as Jason emerges on the top of the RV looking like a complete badass, the entire perception of Jason changes. In my opinion, he became more of a horror anti-hero than a villain at that moment right there.

Jigsaw

08-08-2007, 07:54 AM

Utellme

08-08-2007, 01:24 PM

Okay, I will. How about when Jason ripped the guy's arm off and he flew into the tree, and you saw a bloody smiley face in the tree? Now that was very dumb.
That was awesome love that kill

sCabbOy

08-08-2007, 01:32 PM

LOL, I forgot about the tree/smileyface.

I agree, that one was corny as a Thanksgiving turd.

Utellme

08-08-2007, 01:53 PM

Darth Sinister

08-08-2007, 08:58 PM

I don't think the later films focusing more on Jason hurt them, I mean after the first few films where he's mostly kept in the shadows, it's only a matter of time before he has to take center stage. And after several films he's not as scary anymore anyway, because you become too familiar with him.

It's not a case of him being scary. But that it works when Jason pops out for the kill, rather than seeing him walk right up and kill. Anticipation is everything.

Utellme

08-08-2007, 09:07 PM

Anticipation thats all but gone after hundreds of horror movies don't you think ?

CampNewBlood

08-08-2007, 09:18 PM

Well, especially when they show him...full body right at first and all the way thru the movie.

The first 4 or 5, they kept him in the shadows as someone else said, but then 6-FvsJ, he was in your face contantly.

sCabbOy

08-08-2007, 09:39 PM

But, still, having him on screen from scene one takes away a lot of suspense and build up to a death. Something the movies still had up to a point.

Jigsaw

08-08-2007, 09:45 PM

By ANB the series started losing some of it's suspense because the concept became too familiar to people to truly be scary anymore. Back in 1986 with so many slasher movies and cliches being abundant, a more action-oriented F13 with Jason taking center stage seemed like the logical thing to do back then, rather than simply retread what had been done in the first five films.

Utellme

08-08-2007, 09:48 PM

Trust me i don't disagree with you in fact i agree id love to see the old POV and shadows back.But do you think for 1 minute anybody that would go to see the next Friday the 13th and lets say they hide Jason would think hmmm who's doing the killing ? Is the old school POV still possible or is it long gone and we need to accept it like it or not ?

Jigsaw

08-08-2007, 09:50 PM

I agree with that. Nowadays a more old-school F13 in the vein of the first four movies would be good to have, but back in 1986 it seemed logical to change the formula a bit while still staying true to the basics.

sCabbOy

08-08-2007, 09:53 PM

One good thing about ANB was that they had to keep the killer in the shadows. That's one of the better things of that movie.

If you watch 1980's slashers, woods or not, they are usually all the same. They never show the killer until the end. That trend even carried on through the 1990's.

Obviously when a movie is sequeled multiple times that formula becomes irrelevant, but for people who didn't watch any of the previous sequels it may work.

Jigsaw

08-08-2007, 09:55 PM

Obviously when a movie is sequeled multiple times that formula becomes irrelevant, but for people who didn't watch any of the previous sequels it may work.

That's true. But when the series keeps getting more sequels, the filmmakers make the sequels with the fans in mind and assume that most of them want to see a different take on a familiar formula. A lot of the time they don't bear in mind more casual viewers.

sCabbOy

08-08-2007, 10:00 PM

That's true. But when the series keeps getting more sequels, the filmmakers make the sequels with the fans in mind and assume that most of them want to see a different take on a familiar formula. A lot of the time they don't bear in mind more casual viewers.

I agree, and would like to add that they feel that maybe perhaps Jason on screen was something the others needed. Every director brings in a new set of ideas. McLaughlan even mentioned the reason he showed JAson's case right away was that it was always done at the end.

Jigsaw

08-08-2007, 10:03 PM

After having the character be in the shadows for several films, it seemed like a good idea at the time to have him take center stage and get much more screentime. It wasn't a bad idea IMO, and after a while repeating the formula gets boring and uninteresting.

Utellme

08-08-2007, 10:17 PM

I feel sorry for the poor director's they cant win if they give us parts 1-5 for 13 movies it would get old real quick.If they do some changes they get beat on for that they can't win.This is why when i go to see a movie i go with a positive attitude it's not the 80's no more these films are gonna change.Having the POV like ol they just don't make em like they use to wether it be cars music etc.You never grow that way.If they add humor then it's not as tough non sense. I could complain about JGTH all day but i wont they tried something new theres some days i can throw it in and watch it same goes for all the Fridays.

Im not trying to come across as being ignorant but we are never happy unless Friday the 13th part 3 etc is made 10 more times.Id rather have bad changes instead of none.Its amazing what they cant do with these films cant add humor,zombie,etc.I just try to like the series as a whole even the movies that aren't the greatest.

Jigsaw

08-08-2007, 10:23 PM

I would love to see the very first cut of JL before it was edited and had the reshoots added to it. McLaughlin originally wanted there to be more references to Jason's past and the original movie and the original cut had more story than usual, but the producers wanted more kill scenes added and weren't interested in the story elements. That must've been very frustrating for McLaughlin.

Utellme

08-08-2007, 11:04 PM

Yeah i don't know what all he wanted to incorporate in the film someone here will know.He had a scene with Elias Voorhees right ? And maybe with some of the extra footage storyline ,gore,darker,POV,score maybe the humor would of fit in even nicer.

Jigsaw

08-09-2007, 06:01 AM

The original ending was planned to have an appearance by Elias but the producers didn't want it and it was never filmed.

sCabbOy

08-09-2007, 04:49 PM

I think it was better Elias was never introduced.

Rich

08-09-2007, 06:02 PM

Elias did have a scene in the novel in which I own. It is a good scene because it explains why Jason was said to have been creamated in Part 5 and he is burried in Part 6. The only thing I don't like about the novel though is that i has a scene with Jason in class in school. I have always believed Ginny when she said he never went to school so "He never had any friends," in Friday the 13th Part 2. I figured she must have studied Jason so she did research as a Psychology student. The same guy also wrote the book on Friday the 13th Part 2 so shame on him.

sCabbOy

08-09-2007, 06:23 PM

That's the bittersweet thing about those novels. Too much great and a lot of bad in them. Contradictory to the movies themselves in some ways.

Jigsaw

08-09-2007, 08:06 PM

I think Jason having never been to school was simply a misconception on Ginny's part. He could've very well gone to school when he was younger but only went for a short amount of time and it was a little known public fact.

Darth Sinister

08-09-2007, 09:09 PM

Or maybe he did try to go to school, but was too ridiculed and thus was taken out by Pamela.

sCabbOy

08-09-2007, 11:33 PM

Besides that Ginny was only speculating. But, in reality it was a say for his story to be told so that sort of makes it fact. I'm sure when the scene was being written the writer believed Jason not to have gone to school.

But, I'm not saying anything in the novels are concrete because they are not. They are written by people not associated with the movie production. That makes them irrelevant to me.

girlychaos

08-10-2007, 08:19 AM

I think it was better Elias was never introduced.

I agree with you...they would be reaching too far if they decided to do it. I don't think it would "fit".

sCabbOy

08-10-2007, 06:23 PM

I agree with you...they would be reaching too far if they decided to do it. I don't think it would "fit".

One reason I say that is Mclaughlan has great intentions introducing him, but when the next director came who knows? Elias may have been that deck hand in JTM! Can't trust directors with sequels, especially when they write their shit.

I think it would have been better if the camera panned to a tombstone that read "Elias Voorhees" or something.