Friday the 13th: A New Beginning

[BlakeTyner]

Do you want some of my chocolate bar?

~BT

[DavidDunn]

Do you want some of my chocolate bar?

I'd be delighted. But don't ask Vic over there. He looks pissed.

[driftingsun]

What do you suppose happened to Vic? I think he escaped from police custody, went back to take revenge on the freaks at the half-way home, only to discover that Roy had gotten there first.

[DavidDunn]

That would make for a pretty good theory, but I think that Vic was just shipped off to a maximum security asylum/prison like place after what he did to Joey. I don't think that he could escape custody just like that. Roy would've gotten him too. After all, it was all his fault that Roy was even doing what he was doing. To me, the other victims were just frustration kills since he could never kill his son's actual murderer.

[Deathscythe]

I actually thought it was Vic doing all the killings when I first saw this.

Did we ever find out what happeend to the red necks? I think they were killed, but I forgot.

[Dead Cell]

The irony being that Roy killed everyone except the one guy that killed his son. And really, when Roy got to moving, he was on a roll. Not content to kill just the people at the halfway house? There's some stupid kids over there with car trouble! Kill 'em! Scruffy dude doing chores. Kill 'im! Hillbillies that hate the halfway house as much as you do! Kill 'em! Those two living in the van that never even set foot on the property- mmm.... kill 'em!

Seriously, Roy has a lot of rage and it's all over the place. All these people that had nothing to do with his son's death; don't quite get it. Makes for an awesome body count though!

There were some great breasts in this movie and the director knew all about keeping them on-screen for as long as he could logically get away with it, but it turns out that my favorite girl in this movie is Violet- the one girl that doesn't get naked, doesn't get her shirt soaking wet, hates everyone, and would rather be alone in her room than hang out with the rest of the losers. I love it when Tommy picks Ed (?) right up off the ground and slams him through the little table; everyone else is freaking out, but if you watch Violet, she's enjoying the fight. Hehehe. And I love how when Joey says hi to her, she takes off her headphones to hear what he said, he repeats himself, and she just goes back to what she was doing, not even responding. Just f'in cold. :D Ah, too bad she died, but it seems to be the same with all my favorite characters.

[Nancy Thompson]

It took me a long time to like part 5 because of the fake jason but since i got my boxset last year part 5 become one of my favs

Ethel & Junior rocked the movie


And also first time i watch it I thought Vic excape from the cops and is doing to killings too because when the cop said about jason been dead

[James M]

Although not as good as the first four Fridays (IMO), A New Beginning is a highly underrated film, and the last Friday to have the original feel before the film style changed in Jason Lives. Some complain that Jason wasn't the killer, but hey, Jason wasn't the killer in the original, so there goes that argument. Besides, the way Roy kills people is just like Jason anyway.

However, I think the movie would have been better if there were less hints towards Roy and more towards Tommy and others. I would have removed: Roy's pissed staring into the distance, the "I thought's you was talkin' to me" scene, and Roy closing the ambulance door after the "looks like we got us a maniac on the loose" line. Roy looking freaked out at Joey's body (as anyone would be, actually) and the low behind shot of him walking and standing kind of like Jason would be enough clues towards him. On the flipside, they also could have made it less obvious by giving more false clues towards other characters. Maybe the drifter is in the chicken coop and finds a machete...maybe we see the mayor reading a document about Jason not actually being cremated...maybe Vic escapes from jail somehow (only to possibly be killed later)...and so on.

[Dead Cell]

Now that right there would've been awesome- Vic escapes from the cops and runs off. Keep the audience guessing- is it Vic? Is it Tommy? Is it Roy? Is it the mayor or the sheriff? The drifter?
Vic would have to be spared until the end when he's finally confronted by Jason/Roy and we learn the truth that Vic hasn't been running around in the mask. And just imagine what a great payoff that would be- the moment of revenge and you can see even more rage in Roy's eyes than ever before!

Of course, in my version Violet kills Roy and saves the last remaining survivors. :p

[Wheatjedi]

Oooooh!! I love the idea of Vic escaping and being confronted with Roy toward the end. That's a great idea!

[Lammert]

The base of this movie is really strong, getting back to Friday 1... but it could have been executed better.

[Dead Cell]

When was a Friday flick made that couldn't have been improved in some way? You're right about the core story though- it's rare that we see what becomes of the survivors. In most cases they're knocked off in the next movie. In Tommy's case, he had to live with years of nightmares and hallucinations; constant fear that somehow Jason would come back to finish him off.

Some of my favorite scenes in ANB are those bits where Tommy sees Jason and knows it's all in his head. Which also makes for one of the best moments at the end when Roy/Jason is approaching Tommy and everyone's yelling at him. But he stands there like he thinks it's another hallucination until it's too late. And of course at the end when he finally faces off against his own terror and forces the image of Jason to disappear from his hospital room.

I can only imagine what would've happened if Tommy had conquered his fear of Jason *before* going up against Roy/Jason. Hello, Roy- say hi to the Jason-killer. He eats psychopathic serial killers for breakfast. >:(

Cool thing about Tommy when you think about it:
1. He killed human Jason. Really killed him and put him in the grave.
2. He killed a Jason impersonator.
3. He killed zombie Jason (as well as he can be killed).

He's really done it all.

[sCabbOy]

It was easily as good as the first 4, and easily better than everything after.

All of the movies had poor writing and mediocre-marginally good directing. Point this one out is asinine since they all weren't at all great- and just quickly thrown together.

[CanadianFonzie]

I could never decide if I prefer this over part 4 (which ever one I do prefer would be my favourite FT13 movie), it's funny, I watch this and say I like it so much more than part 4...than I watch part 4 and say I like it much more than this, it's finally at the point where I just give up trying and I just determined that they are both my favourite FT13

[MaDMaNMaRz]

I love ANB! It's the most underrated in the series, IMO.

I like the fact that it was a copy-cat killer....it was something different. Alot of people hated that idea, but I liked it.

[CanadianFonzie]

I liked it because it gave me a break from Jason...it's funny because it was the first FT13 my son saw, and it got him confused thinking that in every FT13 that some poser was being Jason until he was exposed...the next FT13 he saw was part 7, and he thought Jason was supposed to be Tina's father, haha kids think the darnest things

[Shoesalesman]

I found the atmosphere of A New Beginning to be very much like the campy feel of the first four movies. I was in a great frame of mind when I saw it for the first time as a teen and that's probably why I throw it in the machine more often than not.

[sCabbOy]

Some of the most memorable characters too.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

Some of the most memorable characters too.

Agreed. Ethel is one of my favorite characters in the whole series, haha. She's great.

[Dead Cell]

And Violet! *points to avatar*

[sCabbOy]

The characters that come out are Violet, Jake, Joey, Ethel, Junior, Pam and Reggie... very memorable.

[Dead Cell]

I agree, but I have to add Demon and his girlfriend to the list. The older brother/younger brother relationship he had with Reggie was a nice touch and not something I expected. It seemed really natural and had some great funny bits like when Demon jokingly offered Reggie a beer, how Reggie was totally tripping over Demon's girl and how he introduced Pam as "my girl" to compensate.

Joey... well in Joey's defense at least they got rid of him early into the flick. I don't think I could stand more than a few minutes of him.

[sCabbOy]

Yeah, forgot Demon

[The Dream Master]

Demon is my favorite Friday the 13th character ever. I might have to break out my old avatar.

You know, having watched this tonight, I realized that this is probably the most sympathetic group of characters in a Friday film. Most of them are just so pitiful it's hard not to like them. Eddie and Tina are about the only ones that fit the typical Friday mold, and even they're pretty decent characters.

[CampNewBlood]

Do you want some of my chocolate bar?

~BT

LOL.....Joey is funny. Dominick Brascia....the dude that played Joey has a radio show here in the town near where I live. It's about 25 minutes from me. I've talked to him online before, but haven't got the chance to meet him yet.

[CanadianFonzie]

I felt so sorry for Joey though, he couldn't help his problems, he ws really a nice guy, ofcourse if he didn'tdie than the plot would completely be out of whack, the whole movie would just be about Tommy living in a mental house

...poor Joey:(

stupid Vic:mad:

[Dead Cell]

Did anyone ever notice the emphasis on eyes in this movie?

The worms coming out of Jason's eyes in Tommy's nightmare.
Tina had her eyes stabbed out with hedge-clippers.
Eddie had his eyes crushed in by a leather strap.
Reggie's grandpa had his eyes stabbed out.
And yeah- the song Violet was listening to when she died was "His Eyes".

[Joshg]

Part V has some truly great characters.

Violet, Pete, Tina, Eddie, Ethel, Robin, and Lana are just some of my favorites. And one wicked atmosphere!

The atmosphere, IMO, is underated in this film. People say it's bad. I say...it is so good!!

[CanadianFonzie]

yah Dead Cell, I heard some reference to that before, I just forgot, but it was interesting to think about

[Shoesalesman]

Billy the male nurse was my favorite.

Okay, that sounded a bit awkward. :side:

[MaDMaNMaRz]

Billy the male nurse was my favorite.

Okay, that sounded a bit awkward. :side:

You're secret is safe with us, haha. :lol:

:(

[CampNewBlood]

LOL......yea Billy seemed to have so much sensitivity for the patients. :D

[Darth Sinister]

The irony being that Roy killed everyone except the one guy that killed his son. And really, when Roy got to moving, he was on a roll. Not content to kill just the people at the halfway house? There's some stupid kids over there with car trouble! Kill 'em! Scruffy dude doing chores. Kill 'im! Hillbillies that hate the halfway house as much as you do! Kill 'em! Those two living in the van that never even set foot on the property- mmm.... kill 'em!

Seriously, Roy has a lot of rage and it's all over the place. All these people that had nothing to do with his son's death; don't quite get it. Makes for an awesome body count though!

I chalk up Pete, Vinny, Lana and the rest as practice. He kills people who have nothing really to do with Pinehurst, other than working up the nerve to go through with his plan. It also helps as the police wouldn't suspect that this was just a simple revenge plot against the halfway house, if he killed random strangers along the way. It looks like Jason was on a tear. Roy killed his partner because I think he planned to leave town once this was done.

And yeah, while Ethel steals the show with her foul mouth, Tina gets all my attention.

[CanadianFonzie]

Billy the male nurse was my favorite.

Okay, that sounded a bit awkward. :side:

now call me stupid, but which was Billy again?

[Joshg]

He went out with Lana, at the diner. And "flirted" with Pam. (aka, tongue warm-up)

[CanadianFonzie]

oh yah that guy...at what part did he flirt with Pam? holy shit, I reeeeally gotta watch this movie again don't I, lol

[sCabbOy]

oh yah that guy...at what part did he flirt with Pam? holy shit, I reeeeally gotta watch this movie again don't I, lol

When he dropped off Tommy.

[The 5th Golden Girl]

I've always found it odd that Part 5 ends up so low on many people's lists when they list the films from favorite to least-favorite. I know the main argument is the fact that the killer isn't Jason, but that's one of the things I like about the movie.

Parts 1 through 4 make sense. A mother kills people because she lost her son, and then her son (who was on the other side of the lake and never drowned in the first place) avenges his mother's death by killing more people. He came close to dying a few times (end of part 2 and part 3) before finally being killed off at the end of part 4.

Now you get to part 5, and it's time for a new beginning... hence the title. It makes sense. By now Jason's killing spree is legend, and I'm sure Ginny, Chris, and Tommy all three said they killed him, so he has this "unstoppable killing machine" campfire-tale quality to him. What does a man who snaps when his son is murder do? He pins his murder spree on Jason.

Part 5 is the last of the "Friday the 13th" films to even attempt making any kind of sense. I have to applaud whomever pitched it for actually trying to take the legend built by the first four films and thinking of a way to keep it going without resulting to the easy, cop-out answer of making Jason a zombie (which would be done from part six to current day).

The only thing I can really fault the movie on is having probably the worst female survivor in the series. Pam looked a little old and haggard to be the female survivor, and she wasn't terribly interesting, either. It's not that important, though, seeing that the real story was Tommy. Would he ultimately overcome his past? A happy ending would suggest he does overcome his fear of Jason and lives happily ever after. However, it appears the movie maker was setting up a "Tommy Jarvis is the new killer" angle for another sequel.

Part 5 is a strange creature. I personally consider the first four movies one, big movie. I rarely watch any of the first four films without watching all of them. Parts 6-8 show Paramount's version of zombie Jason in all his glory. Parts 9-11 (FvsJ) have completely left the realm of the old-school "Friday the 13th" movies and took Jason in new directions (body-jumping demon-baby, space travel, going one-on-one with another horror icon). In fact, none of New Line's movies have even had "Friday the 13th" in the title anywhere (which may be due to Copyright issues, I don't know).

So, you have:

Parts 1-4
Part 5
Parts 6-8
Parts 9-11

Part 5 worked with what it was given and was ignored by later sequels. I'm not really complaining, though, as I love Part 7 and am fine with Parts 6 and 8.

[sCabbOy]

I like to think at least Part 5 was still logical, and reviving Jason from the dead was a very desperate ploy to make money. It made less than ANB, so I guess that didn't work so well.

[mcilroga]

Some may think I'm crazy or delusional, but I really think part 5 has that same or very similar "old-school/low budget" atmosphere present in the first four films. I don't get why certain people don't like it? It's very dark and moody, and was the last installment to have that same look, in my opinion. Jason Lives spit in the face of parts 1 - 5 and trailed off into obsurdity with a brand new setting, that quite frankly, did not fit the Friday the 13th series, in my opinion.

Part 5, while a step down from 1, 3 and 4, was better than part 2 and anything that came after it to me. Great characters (fuckin' Ethel, man -- best character in the franchise, possibly), good atmosphere, suspenseful, and had one hell of a twist at the end.

[CampNewBlood]

Did anyone ever notice the emphasis on eyes in this movie?

The worms coming out of Jason's eyes in Tommy's nightmare.
Tina had her eyes stabbed out with hedge-clippers.
Eddie had his eyes crushed in by a leather strap.
Reggie's grandpa had his eyes stabbed out.
And yeah- the song Violet was listening to when she died was "His Eyes".

That's a good point. I never noticed that.

[Nancy Thompson]

Agreed. Ethel is one of my favorite characters in the whole series, haha. She's great.

She made the movie great. I love her one liners and also when she went off on the cop lol

Ethel Rules

[Shoesalesman]

I think Scab said this before somewhere, but A New Beginning still had that Summer camp feel to it, even though it happened in a halfway house setting. The trips through the woods in various sections of the movie really reminded me of the atmosphere of the first four.

[Lammert]

A New Beginning still had that Summer camp feel to it, even though it happened in a halfway house setting. The trips through the woods in various sections of the movie really reminded me of the atmosphere of the first four.

Indeed, something that I personally missed in the sequels that came after.
This movie works, but it could been have done better...

I liked the idea that there was an imposter doing all the killings, since to me Jason died in TFC. Like the first Friday.
One thing I dislike is that they rushed most of the charachters to get a highscore on kills... and most of the kills got cut(fuck the MPAA!)

[CanadianFonzie]

When he dropped off Tommy.

thanks Scabboy, I remember now, thinkin' I should watch this movie today to refresh some memory, lol

[Shoesalesman]

Maybe it was the porno mag Billy was reading on route to the facility that made him flirt with Pam. Or maybe he's always like that. LOL

[CanadianFonzie]

I'm betting he's always like that

[Darth Sinister]

The thing with ANB, is that the series became a victim of it's own success. Meaning that by the time the fifth film came out, a lot of fans during that time period had come to love and associate Jason with the films, that when Roy came in, they were pissed that their favorite wasn't there. So for those there in 1985, I can understand their anger. For people who came later on, I cannot understand why they dislike it. Well, I can, but not just because Jason wasn't the star. After all, the film was called "A New Beginning".

[CanadianFonzie]

the thing I like about thisa movie is, like the previous FT13's, you don't know who the killer is because it doesn't show his face for some time, but parts 3 and 4 you knew it was Jason but they hid him anyway (which I'm not complaining about) but in this film, they had reason to keep his face a secret, even if it was Jason, we would have been on the edge of our seats wondering who was killing everyone

[sCabbOy]

The thing with ANB, is that the series became a victim of it's own success. Meaning that by the time the fifth film came out, a lot of fans during that time period had come to love and associate Jason with the films, that when Roy came in, they were pissed that their favorite wasn't there. So for those there in 1985, I can understand their anger. For people who came later on, I cannot understand why they dislike it. Well, I can, but not just because Jason wasn't the star. After all, the film was called "A New Beginning".

It could also be blamed on fans being to nit picky. The killer may as well been Jason because for the first 80 minutes the killer wasn't shown and Jason was. I thought te movie was entertaining and the ending did nothing bad for the movie at all.

[girlychaos]

I said this before and I don't have any problems with Jason not being the killer at all (I did when I first watched it and was around 7 y.o. already a fan of Jason! LOL). But it isn't one of my favorites...just isn't.

[Dead Cell]

I liked the idea that there was an imposter doing all the killings, since to me Jason died in TFC. Like the first Friday.

And really, that got back to the vibe in F13 part 1, where suspicion was being cast on several of the campers. However, I think ANB handled it better in that they gave out more clues, more red herrings, and more suspects.

Vic
Roy
Tommy
Vagabond guy
Crazy Mayor?

There were lots of routes they could've gone. In part 1 it turns out to be Mrs. Voorhees, which NO ONE could've gotten because there was literally no mention of her whatsoever until the moment she arrived on-screen. And so many of the campers were already dead or never suspects in the first place, that unless one of them pulled the "Fake my own death," trick, there's just no way it could've been any of them (still remembers the ominous shot of the guy holding the snake-killing machete; oh yeah- he's totally the killer :p )

[Lammert]

(still remembers the ominous shot of the guy holding the snake-killing machete; oh yeah- he's totally the killer :p )

I agree, when I first watched it I thought it was either Bill or Steve Christy... but once the movie progressed I thought.. "what if this is someone else... someone unkown.. that would be very scary!"

But like I said in a previous post, there are to many charachters in Part V... just meat for the grinder, instead of charachters that could have made the movie more interesting.

[sCabbOy]

The movie sort of made it look like Bill. He did leave the cabin when Brenda was killed... that part especially made him look guilty.

[kramerfan]

Ive always loved this one.I have no problem with jason not being the killer because its different.I love ethel and demon.Great film.

[Darth Sinister]

The movie sort of made it look like Bill. He did leave the cabin when Brenda was killed... that part especially made him look guilty.

Except that he played Monopoly with Alice and Brenda, when the other three were killed. Unless you were believing there were two killers.

[sCabbOy]

Except that he played Monopoly with Alice and Brenda, when the other three were killed. Unless you were believing there were two killers.

I'm sure the average viewer in 1980 didn't comprehend it as I do believe that Ralph, Steve and Bill were the 3 red herrings of the movie.

[CanadianFonzie]

Vic
Roy
Tommy
Vagabond guy
Crazy Mayor?



I only agree that Vic would have been a suspect...I personally don't see the others being that big of suspects

[sCabbOy]

When I watch I consider Roy to be the furthest thing from a suspect.

People point out 2 instances of Roy. His crazy stare when he sees Joey. So what- he just saw a human body that has been mangled.

And then the "are you talking to me" line. Someone was talking in his vicinity, when people talk to themselves around me, I myself also ask if they are tlaking to me- or at least think it.

Tommy was a great suspect, but I thinkw e all knew it wasn't him.

[CampNewBlood]

I know this question has been asked a million times, but I haven't asked it, so I will.

The ending to ANB...when Tommy comes up behind Pam....was it a dream sequence as in Part 3 or was it real? If it was real, why isn't Tommy in jail or some institution?

[The 5th Golden Girl]

And really, that got back to the vibe in F13 part 1, where suspicion was being cast on several of the campers. However, I think ANB handled it better in that they gave out more clues, more red herrings, and more suspects.

Vic
Roy
Tommy
Vagabond guy
Crazy Mayor?

There were lots of routes they could've gone. In part 1 it turns out to be Mrs. Voorhees, which NO ONE could've gotten because there was literally no mention of her whatsoever until the moment she arrived on-screen. And so many of the campers were already dead or never suspects in the first place, that unless one of them pulled the "Fake my own death," trick, there's just no way it could've been any of them (still remembers the ominous shot of the guy holding the snake-killing machete; oh yeah- he's totally the killer :p )

Oh, my God, yes! You read my mind. Part 1 plays as a mystery of sorts, but we don't meet the killer (and thus can't think she's a suspect) until the end.

I don't mind it, but it's a strange way to end a "whodonit?" scenario. Who did it? Oh, it's this person we didn't meet at any time during the movie.

[girlychaos]

I know this question has been asked a million times, but I haven't asked it, so I will.

The ending to ANB...when Tommy comes up behind Pam....was it a dream sequence as in Part 3 or was it real? If it was real, why isn't Tommy in jail or some institution?

This is just what I think...the way I see it it was just a dream and a way to let it open to the possibility of a new Friday the 13th. They always did that and to me this is another example...but it's just my opinion, I don't know for sure.

[Wheatjedi]

Well... according to the Part VI novel, it was real. Pam was able to stop Tommy before he could stab her, and he continued with his therapy in a more secure environment. But again, that's just according to Simon Hawke's novel for Jason Lives.

[sCabbOy]

I, myself wouldn't put too much stock into the novels.

If we went by the novels Jason was never deformed.

[girlychaos]

I've never read them....so, I wouldn't know. But what I said is just the way I see it...I can be totally wrong.

[Wheatjedi]

I, myself wouldn't put too much stock into the novels.

If we went by the novels Jason was never deformed.

Yes.... I know you don't care for the novels, but there is a lot of good stuff in them.

[sCabbOy]

Yes.... I know you don't care for the novels, but there is a lot of good stuff in them.

I agree that there is a lot of great stuff. But if we were pretending to be in Friday The 13th land we have to pretend they were written as a true crime novel, and of course some facts would be fudged.

[Wheatjedi]

The one aspect of the novels that I didn't care too much for was when the backstory had Jason going to school. Some of the things that happened at his school (the teacher and the counselor freak-outs in particular) were kind of cool, but it goes against what Ginny said in Part 2 about him never going to school. But then again... how did she know that? Just more questions.....

[Lammert]

The novels are cool, but some of the stuff in there like the school thing just doesn't fit in the Friday mythology.

[Shoesalesman]

Just picked up Fangoria #44 from ebay, the one with A New Beginning on the cover. There's a cool fold out of Jason (or the killer if you prefer) and the article itself is pretty good. Got it for a good price too.

[James M]

If you were to put up a simple site with scans of the Friday related articles you have, it'd be a hit. I know I'd love to read articles from back when the movies were being made/coming out. Actually, they'd be a great donation for F13Films.com.

Oh, and eatchur fuckin' slop! ;)

[Lammert]

I have some of the articles in text format.. but I have to find them if someones interested.

[sCabbOy]

I was going to put them on my site eventually... just the covers and when you click the covers it'd go to the F13th related pages.

[DavidDunn]

I watched Part 1 and ANB back to back today when I had nothing to do. Man, we ought to bring back that Violet Appreciation thread. I forgot how cool that her dance was. I popped "In His Eyes" into the stereo today. Needless to say, I've been robotting all evening.:)

[CampNewBlood]

LOL.....yea that song is great. I listen to it all the time too.
ADDED:
Someone pointed this out on the old forum.

Ever notice how when Pam, Reggie and Tommy are on their way to see Reggie's brother Demon...the music from when they drive away until they get to where Demon lives.....the music is so dramatic...lol....and they pass by the same rock 3 or 4 times....lolol.

Anyone else notice that?

[Lammert]

Yeah.... that driving scene is funny...

[CampNewBlood]

LOL....and it takes them like 5 seconds to get there.

[Speck]

Someone pointed this out on the old forum.

Ever notice how when Pam, Reggie and Tommy are on their way to see Reggie's brother Demon...the music from when they drive away until they get to where Demon lives.....the music is so dramatic...lol....and they pass by the same rock 3 or 4 times....lolol.


Yeah, that was me. They could have played some other kind of music. That's the kind of music you hear during a chase scene, lol

[Shoesalesman]

I think the music was not for us but maybe for the pile of rocks; seeing the same fuckin' truck roll by three or four times in less than five seconds must have been pretty intense for that poor rubble, who usually see a car go by... then a different one and so on.

[Dead Cell]

Now you know the terror of the Scout Master statue in Freddy's Dead.

Statue: The same van! Again! Why won't they go away?? GAH! Here it is again! Go away! Leave me alone! AGGGH!!!!

Man, we ought to bring back that Violet Appreciation thread. I forgot how cool that her dance was. I popped "In His Eyes" into the stereo today. Needless to say, I've been robotting all evening.

YES!! Why is it my favorite characters always get the least amount of screen-time and never survive? Kind of a related note here: I just bought Mortal Kombat Armageddon and I've been using the Kreate a Fighter mode to make Violet. Gave her all the cool robot attacks; piston punch, missles, all the fun stuff.

[The Tall Man]

Speck, but Manfredini was scoring the hell out of that scene.

You guys have NO idea how close to the original film this one was going to be. The original ending entailed (and I COULDN'T make this up) Tommy, Reggie, and Pam getting into a canoe and rowing out into the middle of the lake till morning. The next day, suddenly, a zombified Joey leaps out and drags them underwater.

How Joey put himself back together, I've no idea.

I know a lot of you are pissed about "Zombie Jason", but they did it to please the fans. Unlike these days where people just bitch online, the fans actually got off their asses and picketed Paramount Studios, carrying signs that read "Bring Back Jason!" and "Ve Vant Voorhees!". So what could they do? There was only one logical way to bring Jason back. And they went for it.

T.M.

[Deathscythe]

YES!! Why is it my favorite characters always get the least amount of screen-time and never survive? Kind of a related note here: I just bought Mortal Kombat Armageddon and I've been using the Kreate a Fighter mode to make Violet. Gave her all the cool robot attacks; piston punch, missles, all the fun stuff.

Now all you need to do is create a Roy Burns character and have him do a fatality on Violet.:p

[Dead Cell]

Just this once I think Violet will pull a Fatality on Roy. :D

[Deathscythe]

Just this once I think Violet will pull a Fatality on Roy. :D

With her robotnic dancing?:cool:

[CampNewBlood]

That's pretty cool guys....lol.
ADDED:
Does anyone know the name of the song playing when Jake goes into Violet's room to talk to her?

[Ron]

I always felt so bad for Joey. He seemed so innocent and unknowing of limits and dangers. I know, I overanalyze. it's what film majors do best(besides drink and smoke pot;))

[Nancy Thompson]

I always felt so bad for Joey. He seemed so innocent and unknowing of limits and dangers. I know, I overanalyze. it's what film majors do best(besides drink and smoke pot;))

I always felt bad for Joey too. He just wanted to make friends he did not have a good childhood and probley never had a real friend. He was innocent.

[Joshg]

Does anyone know the name of the song playing when Jake goes into Violet's room to talk to her?

I've been trying to look for all her songs, but I've only found the robotic dancing Pseudo Echo "His Eyes". The ones I want badly are the:

-Jake going to talk to Violet song
-Violet hanging up the laundry song
-And possibly the Violet setting the dishes song, if there was any in that scene. :D

[Shoesalesman]

I always felt bad for Joey too. He just wanted to make friends he did not have a good childhood and probley never had a real friend. He was innocent.

Taking notice of how Vic killed him, I'm guessing he could only tolerate Joey so much before he snapped. Maybe it wasn't an uncontrolled psychotic episode as much as it was the final straw he was willing to take from Joey.

[sCabbOy]

Living with someone like Joey I think I'd want to chop wood too- to get all of that anger and aggravation vented.

Joey just picked a bad time to bother Vic. Ever notice the piece of wood Vic was chopping? He wasn't chopping it because it needed to be chopped. It was a small piece of wood and it to me looked like he was venting.

[Wheatjedi]

It really wasn't wise for the staff at Pinehurst to let someone with as much pent-up rage as Vic have access to something like an axe. That place really wasn't very well run. You know? :)

[sCabbOy]

I think Matt put way too much faith in all of them. Letting people screw in the woods... letting them drive tractors... giving them axes... I wouldn't feel safe there.

[Darth Sinister]

Yeah, that was me. They could have played some other kind of music. That's the kind of music you hear during a chase scene, lol

Manfredini was reprising the main title theme, which I think was done to build tension. He was probably stuck for a cue to fit in there, since rarely in the series was there a need for a cue like that. And rather than reusing something from the first two films, he reused the main title theme.


I think Matt put way too much faith in all of them. Letting people screw in the woods... letting them drive tractors... giving them axes... I wouldn't feel safe there.

Well, screwing's fine. But yeah, I think that was about the gist of it. Something else and I dunno if it's mentioned. What was everyone's deal for being at Pinehurst? We can guess that Vic was there for rage. Probably got into a lot of fights and caused some property damage. We know why Tommy and Joey were there. I think Jake might've been there because of his stuttering, but that's...I don't know. Not weak, but not good enough. But what about the rest? Violet, Robin, Eddie and Tina don't really strike me as needing to be there. Were they all like Joey, shuffling through the foster care system until landing at Pinehurst. Or did they have a major issue like Tommy and possibly Vic?

I'm sure the average viewer in 1980 didn't comprehend it as I do believe that Ralph, Steve and Bill were the 3 red herrings of the movie.

Ralph and Steve, yeah. Especially Steve because he left in a jeep right before Annie was killed. But Bill, the only red herring is that he kills the snake with a machete and the look on his face afterwards. But by the time Ned dies, that's practically non existant.

[Joshg]

LOL, yeah. I mean, they leave the place alone with the kids. Somehow, I think that's a recipe for disaster.

[girlychaos]

I think Matt put way too much faith in all of them. Letting people screw in the woods... letting them drive tractors... giving them axes... I wouldn't feel safe there.

That's one thing I NEVER got at all...I always say that (I actually say it out loud) when I watch it....like..."what kind of 'institution' is it?? what's Matt thinking??"

[Ron]

i think matt was smoking the pot;)

[girlychaos]

He must have been...that would make sense! LOL

[Dead Cell]

Well, it was supposed to be their last stop before re-entering society, so they should've all seemed fairly normal by that point. Of course, someone guessed wrong about Vic and Joey... well to quote Ron White, "There's no cure for stupid."

[The Dream Master]

I think we should all take a moment and acknowledge Demon to be the most bad-ass character in the F13 series. At the very least, one must be in awe of the food spread he had in that van, man. Tacos, enchiladas, egg rolls, pizza, etc. Dude knew how to stock up.

[Wheatjedi]

I think we should all take a moment and acknowledge Demon to be the most bad-ass character in the F13 series.

More bad-ass than Muffin??? I think someone is forgetting that little four-legged terror from Part 2. :)

[Mr. Undertaker]

I could never forget about her!!!!!!!!! But we gotta agree that Muffin would dig Demons enchiladas.....of course she wouldn't need to go to the out house but..... :D

[girlychaos]

I actually think Muffin would've been a lot better than Matt....she wouldn't accept all the crazy things the kids were doing....she would put order there instead of letting it all happen! :)

[Mr. Undertaker]

I'm glad to see you finally embraced Muffin!!!!!!!.....
but you're right, Matt was runing a "institution" as he was loonie himself

[sCabbOy]

Bill was also wearing a shirt almost identical to the killer.

[Rich]

Bill wore the same flannel shirt that "the killer" wore while stalking Annie in the woods. Also, in Friday the 13th Part 3, Rick is wearing the same kind of blue sweater that Mrs. Voorhees wore in the original.

[Lammert]

Thats probably becuase the clothing shop in Crystal Lake has tons of those shirts instock. ;)

[jackdeth]

I know their are people who love and hate this movie but, I love it. Thought this was right on par with 1 - 4.:D I find not having Jason return from the dead was the logical thing at that point IMO.

[Darth Sinister]

I think we should all take a moment and acknowledge Demon to be the most bad-ass character in the F13 series. At the very least, one must be in awe of the food spread he had in that van, man. Tacos, enchiladas, egg rolls, pizza, etc. Dude knew how to stock up.

True, but those enchiladas wound up being the death of him. *rimshot*

[sCabbOy]

Bill wore the same flannel shirt that "the killer" wore while stalking Annie in the woods. Also, in Friday the 13th Part 3, Rick is wearing the same kind of blue sweater that Mrs. Voorhees wore in the original.

Paul also wore a similar sweater in Part 2

[CampNewBlood]

They must have had some cold nights during those summers. All those sweaters everywhere.

[Utellme]

One real bad mistake in this movie that bugs me is where Reggie knock's Roy aka Jason out of the barn and when they go over to the edge where no hands are shown holding on Roy pops up.Come on they could of fixed that.But i like this movie just got done watching it

[Lammert]

I love Tommy in this one, his hidden temper when he fights.. it makes him mysterious. To bad they never continued this in Jason Lives.

[Darth Sinister]

Sure, that's a mistake. But then you wouldn't have that scare factor in Roy popping up for one final scare.

[Wheatjedi]

It certainly would have been nice if the Tommy character could have carried over the dangerous edge he had in Part V into Jason Lives while also showing that his mental problems weren't as severe.

[Utellme]

Sure, that's a mistake. But then you wouldn't have that scare factor in Roy popping up for one final scare.
Your a 100% correct but i just wish they would of had something on the outside of the barn so that it was credible.I can deal with it you can deal with it but i hate when someone brings up things like this same with the teleporting.I find myself making up reasons for these mistakes if they were done correct then i would not have to.Heres example of what i mean buddy might say to me how does a olympic runner run from Jason they turn around to look behind them and bam in front of them is Jason.I make up this lame excuse well thats because victims are wearing there self out while Jason just keeps a fast brisk pace and catches up.

[girlychaos]

Hey...I don't know if somebody already brought it up here....but...I always found really weird the way Pam "holds/hugs" Reggie after he saves her.

I always found it way too intense...never got it at all.

[Wheatjedi]

I've thought the same thing myself. That hug was a little..... too much.

[girlychaos]

Way too much IMO. I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who thought that. I mean...he was just a kid... :shock:

[Wheatjedi]

She seems to be a little too.... well.... It was the sounds she was making more than anything. I'm sure Reggie was loving it though. Most guys would.

[girlychaos]

The sounds...exactly! What's up with that?? :confused:

[Wheatjedi]

Maybe it had just been a while since Pam got any "boom chic-a wow wow" and Reggie the Reckless was just too much for her. After all.... she was his girlfriend. :)

[girlychaos]

:lol:

Okay....but it's still too much....way too much IMO!

[Wheatjedi]

Yeah.... she was definitely too into that hug. Especially in the midst of a life-or-death situation like that. I certainly wouldn't have been all, "Oooooooh..... Mmmmmmm.... Oh....."

icky

[girlychaos]

Exactly...it was just wrong....!
And who would make those sounds in a situation like that anyway? Beats me!

[Wheatjedi]

Nobody. Well.... except maybe an actress who was overdoing it a bit. :)

[girlychaos]

A bit? That was very generous of you! :)

[Scarecrow]

Part V is under-rated. It's probably a bad film but also a lot of insane fun.

"I've got a bomb on me!"


- Scarecrow

[Rich]

I have always liked Part 5. It was weaker then the first four, but as good as Jason Lives and The New Blood to me. It was way better then anything that was made after The New Blood in my view.

[CampNewBlood]

ANB is a good movie. It's a fun movie. Got alot of good kills.

[girlychaos]

It was way better then anything that was made after The New Blood in my view.

I agree with you. Part 5 is not one of my favorites, but I do like it a lot...it certainly is much better than the ones after TNB. I'm right there with you on this one.

[sCabbOy]

Tom Morga has an audio interview up on DeadPit.com.

He discusses his work as LEatherface, Michael Myers and Roy/Jason as well as doubling for John Travolta, Piraes Of The Caribbean and Spiderman!

[CampNewBlood]

Oh cool. I need to check it out.

[Deathscythe]

Tom Morga has an audio interview up on DeadPit.com.

He discusses his work as LEatherface, Michael Myers and Roy/Jason as well as doubling for John Travolta, Piraes Of The Caribbean and Spiderman!
When did Tom Morga play Michael Meyrs and Leatherface?

[sCabbOy]

Tom was Michael for a good part of the first of Halloween 4 (he was let go because they wanted someone bigger). He was Leatherface in the first scenes of TCM 2.

[girlychaos]

I didn't know he had done all that...

[sCabbOy]

I didn't know he had done all that...

Neither did I!

He was Michael when Michael was in the bandages and at the garage when Loomis gets there. I learned that on the H25 DVD.

As for LEatherface, in the commentary they mention that a stuntman Bob Elmore did like 75% of LEatherface but Bill Johnson was credited and Elmore wasn't credited at all.

[The Tall Man]

I had heard for a long time that Morga also played Myers on the rooftop scenes.

T.M.

[girlychaos]

Neither did I!

He was Michael when Michael was in the bandages and at the garage when Loomis gets there. I learned that on the H25 DVD.

As for LEatherface, in the commentary they mention that a stuntman Bob Elmore did like 75% of LEatherface but Bill Johnson was credited and Elmore wasn't credited at all.

That's pretty cool...I really had no idea!
Thanks for the info! :)

[Wheatjedi]

I knew Morga had done work in Halloween 4, but I wasn't aware of the TCM stuff. Good to know!

[CampNewBlood]

They shoulda kept Tom in Halloween 4. George P. Wilbur was TOO big and bulky.

[Nancy Thompson]

I though George P Wilbur was the best Michael though but i would love if they kept Tom too though

[Rich]

I think Wilber did a much better job playing Michael in H6 then he did in H4. I think in H4 he was way too robotic. In H6 hw was much more graceful.

[Lammert]

To bad that the Myers in 4, 5 and 6 was a carbon copy of Jason.

It's funny the first Friday was inspired by Halloween, but the later version of Myers was inspired by undead Jason.

[Deathscythe]

My favorite Michael was the one in H2, he was creepy in that one.

[Speck]

Did you know that Tiffany Helm's mother was Brooke Bundy? The lady who played Kristen's mother in A Nightmare on Elm Street parts 3 & 4.

[Deathscythe]

No I didn't know that, Tiffany Helm was Violet right?

[Speck]

No I did no that, Tiffany Helm was Violet right?

That's correct.

[sCabbOy]

Brooke is also Tiffany's middle name!

[CampNewBlood]

My favorite Michael was the one in H2, he was creepy in that one.

Mine too. Dick Warlock did an amazing job.

I read somewhere years ago that he wanted to play Michael Myers in Halloween 4. Is that correct?

[El Rooto]

God, I love Friday V. How could anyone hate it? It wasn't a significant change of quality from the first four...
It just gives me the warm fuzzies to think of Roy, Demon, Violet, the crazy quiet Tommy Jarvis, and everyone else...
And the kills! Such wonderful kills. Like death by spike, road flare, strap, and tractor harrow. And the motorcycle + machete scene...

All hail Friday V!

[Rich]

Wasn't the motorcycle decap a meat cleaver? Anyway I liked Lana's death. It was classic Friday the 13th style. A beautiful woman who has just graced us with her tits is laying on the ground with a ax sticking out of her with the kikikimamama sound going. That was such a classic moment. The grave diggers and Tommy's entire dream was awesome too.

[sCabbOy]

Yes, it was a cleaver.

[El Rooto]

Er, my bad.

[Shoesalesman]

Anyway I liked Lana's death. It was classic Friday the 13th style. A beautiful woman who has just graced us with her tits is laying on the ground with a ax sticking out of her with the kikikimamama sound going. That was such a classic moment.

Yes, it sure was. :shy:

[Scarecrow]

My favourite bit is still Violet's death, best directed moment in the whole film.

The song really works, even if its a bit obvios. But the door closing, Violet turning and then, as she goes back to ehr 'dancing', the feet step out... it's wonderfully done. The only thing that'd improve is if they'd KEPT the music going during and after the kill itself rather than going a little genric at the last moment.


- Scarecrow

[sCabbOy]

I thought Tina and Eddie's deaths were also directed nicely. As a kid I did not expect her to get shears in the eyes. I thought Eddie would die first (in natural slasher fashion) and she go looking for him.

I've always loved that scene.

[girlychaos]

Eddie's death was really interesting. And I had no idea Jason/Roy had gone for Tina's eyes when I first watched it as a kid. So....yeah, that part is pretty good.

[sCabbOy]

First off I had no clue he'd have pruning shears!

[girlychaos]

Me neither...that's also why I thought it was so creepy when Eddie turned Tina over...it was a bizarre surprise to me.

[Scarecrow]

Of couse ou'd think there would be a LOT more blood around them, especiallyu with her being face down!


- Scarecrow

[sCabbOy]

Maybe there was blood. According to Deborah Voorhees that scene was shot 3 different ways TV, R and Unrated. MPAA had them cut so much that perhaps there once was a lot of blood.

That scene took 13 hours to shoot as well!

[Rich]

My favourite bit is still Violet's death, best directed moment in the whole film.

The song really works, even if its a bit obvios. But the door closing, Violet turning and then, as she goes back to ehr 'dancing', the feet step out... it's wonderfully done. The only thing that'd improve is if they'd KEPT the music going during and after the kill itself rather than going a little genric at the last moment.


- Scarecrow

I must agree. I love that scene. I just get sad that she has to die though, because I loved her. :cry:

That and Tommy's opening dream are my favorite scenes in the movie.

[NETRA]

Anyway I liked Lana's death. It was classic Friday the 13th style. A beautiful woman who has just graced us with her tits

I read a reviewer recently who made an interesting point. He said that no respectful director would make an acress look in the mirror and reveal her, eh, "party hats" in that fashion. I never really thought about that before but I suppose it would be sorta weird for the actress.

[The Tall Man]

The actress who plays Lana lives in the same city as I (where I've no idea), but a friend of mine used to babysit for her and one of the rules was "No Friday the 13th 5!"

You can imagine why. :)

T.M.

[sCabbOy]

No respectful director?!? Oh gees. Know how many movies have something like that? And why blame the director unless HE rewrote that scene.

When scripts are written most of the time they are written to the producer's wishes, not the directors. I also feel that it isn't disrespectful to women. If the actress didn't wan to do it, it probably wouldn't have been shot. I am a firm believer in that women are strong and if a guy can do shit like than, then so can women. Saying otherwise is sexist.

Saying that was disrespectful would make any gratuitous breast shots in any movie disrespectful. It was nothing more than a gratuitous breast shot.

[Dead Cell]

I must agree. I love that scene. I just get sad that she has to die though, because I loved her.

But really, every scene with Violet is just pure love. Violet is the most awesome character in the whole movie. And her dying... just makes me sad.

Had no idea that Kristen's mom in Elm Street 3 was Violet's mom in real life. Crazy!

Reading back through this thread, I have to agree with psycho Tommy. The whole scene where Junior gets the crap beat out of him in the trailer park showed just how volatile Tommy really was. It was a great take on the character, because you literally couldn't tell what he would do. He could've been the killer for all we knew!
But then in 6... right off the bat when he runs into the police station and starts blubbering like a frightened little puppy- man, it just wasn't psycho Tommy anymore. Psycho Tommy would still be in the graveyard dishing out the beat-down and Jason would be desperately trying to pull the dirt back on top of himself. :D

[NETRA]

Saying that was disrespectful would make any gratuitous breast shots in any movie disrespectful. It was nothing more than a gratuitous breast shot.

Perhaps. But I think the reviewer was referring specifically to the idea of making an actress look at herself in the mirror while exposing herself (and shouting "It's show time"). He claimed it's something most directors wouldn't do. And who am I to disagree? Movie critics are ALWAYS right aren't they?

It would make a good experiment. Let's all reveal ourselves for the camera and shout "It's showtime!" . . . and then try it again in front of a mirror and see if we feel demeaned.

Ready? Go!

The actress who plays Lana lives in the same city as I (where I've no idea), but a friend of mine used to babysit for her and one of the rules was "No Friday the 13th 5!"

That's very cool! Babysitting for a minor celebrity. How come nothing fun like that ever happens to me?

[The Dream Master]

I fail to see how Lana's scene was any more demeaning than the countless other instances of nudity/sex in the Friday series, as it's not like any of those scenes served any crucial plot points. It was just a chance to sneak in some gratuitous nudity, and nothing more.

[The Tall Man]

And why blame the director unless HE rewrote that scene. When scripts are written most of the time they are written to the producer's wishes, not the directors.
Scab, Danny Steinmann co-wrote Friday 5.

It was just a chance to sneak in some gratuitous nudity, and nothing more.
Well, it wasn't so much sneaking as padding. When the MPAA demanded their cuts of the gore, Stienmann tries to make up for it by shooting extra nudity that wasn't originally going to be in the film.

I do want to say something that irks me about the people behind Friday 5... I think most of us know how Violet was originally going to die. What bugs me is what kind of demented human being thinks "I know! We'll stab her in the vadge!" And okay, even if you think that thought... how do you get your fingers to actually type that out? My lord, my fingers would turn around and start poking me. AND on top of that, a director looks at that and says "Sounds good" and they actually SHOOT it! As a writer, my sensibilites are disturbed that this actually went down.

Violet's final death may have been more "commonplace", but good lord, the original idea is just depraved.

T.M.

[sCabbOy]

Yeah, I know he co-wrote it. That's why I said "unless he wrote that scene"... But, granted we all know that Steinmann was a sleaze, haha, I'm trying to give it the benefit of the doubt I guess.

[Dead Cell]

I didn't know that.

Honestly, I don't know what to say to that. It's sick. Truly sick that someone would write that and think it was cool. I would make a comparison to Friday 4 when a guy gets harpooned in the groin, but knifing a girl like that goes into a whole different territory of just wrong.

Our culture is kinda' programmed to laugh every time a guy gets hit in the balls, so the harpoon scene just works differently.
Ramming a knife up a girls' vadge is just... completely wrong. It'd be like Jason were raping and killing someone at the same time.

[sCabbOy]

It was Steinmann's idea to remove the Vag kill. I dunno, I don;t see it as crossing the line. Like I said, I have sene worse in movies get ignored.

What about the meat hook through the vag and out the belly kill in The Mutilator? I thought that was a pretty neat and unique kill.

I just don't see how a female being decapitated is okay, but a female being knifed in the vulva as crossing the line. It's only as degrading if the actress feels degraded by it. I personally feel it;s sexist for a male to tell a female she's being degraded in any scenario.

[NETRA]

Violet was originally going to die. What bugs me is what kind of demented human being thinks "I know! We'll stab her in the vadge!"

I didn't know that. But as Scab says, I've seen worse. How about the hair iron in Sleepaway Camp? "OUCH!" is an understatement.

I just don't see how a female being decapitated is okay, but a female being knifed in the vulva

Both are certainly terrible but if I were given a choice, I'd chose the quicker, less painful way to die. Wouldn't you rather be decapitated than to take a knife to your nads? Unless you want to be sure your death is memorable.

I personally feel it;s sexist for a male to tell a female she's being degraded in any scenario.

That can be true. If I'm doing something by choice and somebody tells me, "That's degrading to women" then it does irk me. Very true. But I find it's more common for women to say that to other women than for men to say it.

[The Tall Man]

I never said anything about "degrading to women". I said that it offends my sensibilities. A decapitation doesn't sound as depraved as "stab her in the snatch" does. That's the difference for me.

And that death you described in "The Mutilator", Scab, is just as loathsome to me. The difference is... those freaks actually shot it! (I guess. I've never heard of the film. You've seen it)

T.M.

[jackdeth]

It was Steinmann's idea to remove the Vag kill. I dunno, I don;t see it as crossing the line. Like I said, I have sene worse in movies get ignored.

What about the meat hook through the vag and out the belly kill in The Mutilator? I thought that was a pretty neat and unique kill.

I just don't see how a female being decapitated is okay, but a female being knifed in the vulva as crossing the line. It's only as degrading if the actress feels degraded by it. I personally feel it;s sexist for a male to tell a female she's being degraded in any scenario.
I think her kill the way it is in the movie was effective, I'm glad they didn't use the other one.

[Rich]

I have thought up a pretty damn disgusting death scene for a remake of Friday the 13th.

Jack and Marcie are doing it. In my version of the remake, however, Jack puts cuffs on Marcie on both hands and both feet to bed posts. He does her and she is moaning and they are having an orgy. Then he has to go to the bathroom. She says, "Well are you just going to leave me like this?" and he responds, "[laughing] I ain't done, I just gotta piss," and she giggles. Then As he is in the bathroom, someone was waiting in the shower with the curtain drawn the whole time. As he flushes the boll, a machete slices his head clear off. Marcie is waiting for Jack to come back in but, someone else does. All you can see is black pants and a machete dripping blood and Marcie, cuffed to the bed, starts to scream and cry. You hear a real nasty evil undistinguishable voice (can't even tell the voice's sex) say, "So you little ficking slut bitch whore, you wanna be fucked hah? Try this on for size!" and the machete goes up the vagina little by little, slowly, and she screams and squirms and tries to kick her feet, but of course it does no good. She begs and pleads for the person to stop, but the machete get pushed deeper and deeper and she screams and squirms more. The last think her see is her feet squirming and they slowly begin to stop. On the wall you can see the shadow of nothing more then the handle stickout of from in between her legs, and a hand yanks it out as blood squirts.

[The Tall Man]

You're a sick monkey, Rich. :)

T.M.

[Ron]

I have thought up a pretty damn disgusting death scene for a remake of Friday the 13th.

Jack and Marcie are doing it. In my version of the remake, however, Jack puts cuffs on Marcie on both hands and both feet to bed posts. He does her and she is moaning and they are having an orgy. Then he has to go to the bathroom. She says, "Well are you just going to leave me like this?" and he responds, "[laughing] I ain't done, I just gotta piss," and she giggles. Then As he is in the bathroom, someone was waiting in the shower with the curtain drawn the whole time. As he flushes the boll, a machete slices his head clear off. Marcie is waiting for Jack to come back in but, someone else does. All you can see is black pants and a machete dripping blood and Marcie, cuffed to the bed, starts to scream and cry. You hear a real nasty evil undistinguishable voice (can't even tell the voice's sex) say, "So you little ficking slut bitch whore, you wanna be fucked hah? Try this on for size!" and the machete goes up the vagina little by little, slowly, and she screams and squirms and tries to kick her feet, but of course it does no good. She begs and pleads for the person to stop, but the machete get pushed deeper and deeper and she screams and squirms more. The last think her see is her feet squirming and they slowly begin to stop. On the wall you can see the shadow of nothing more then the handle stickout of from in between her legs, and a hand yanks it out as blood squirts.


I like it Rich, it kinda reminds me of Judy's death in sleepaway camp.

[Rich]

Basically the mindset is that Mrs. Voorhees actually gets offended by the act of sex, since it is indirectly what caused Jason to drown. She sees it as a mockery of Jason. That is why she gets so enraged.

[Ron]

You should consider writing your own remake in the fan fic section. I think it would be great to read.

[NETRA]

Well it would certainly fit with the modern slasher . . . The whole bound & tortured to death thing. Maybe I'm in the minority but I've seen enough shackles and handcuffs mixed with slow, painful death to last me a lifetime. I prefer the faster "whack" and your dead approach from the original F13. I don't mind bloody (and gutty) but the whole squirming in agony trend just crosses some line for me. ;)

[CrazyCamper]

Depends on who's doing it. Jason or some other "killer" - sure. Mrs. Vorhees? That's just demented somehow, LOL! :p

[Rich]

To each your own, NET. I honestly am not big on modern horror myself, but I think in Friday the 13th's case it would fit the story as a story element since sex is what indirectly led to Jason's drowning. It would be a story element that Mrs. Voorhees would be offended by the act so she would want to punish that particular victim more severely.

[Ron]

I think the whole 'hancuffing the girl thing' would translate well with todays oversexed audiences.

[NETRA]

To each your own, NET

Oh, I know. I'm just giving my opinion, for whatever it's worth.

it would fit the story as a story element

But it takes two to tango, as they say. So how come Marcie gets a machete crammed up her *ahem* while Jack gets a quick decapitation?

The scene might work better as a moment of dark comedy. Imagine if it were a girl in the Melissa/Tamera mold. A snotty girl who seduces a guy (another girl's boyfriend perhaps) and instigates the whole thing. She pulls the cuffs out and hands them to him. "Don't you want to cuff me?" He gladly obliges but then has to pee. The second he walks away, the audience would begin to laugh because they KNOW she's about to get "what's coming to her" (even if they're not sure how) and she did it to herself!

I think the whole 'hancuffing the girl thing' would translate well with todays oversexed audiences

I heard a report on the radio about how pornography is becoming increasingly violent. It went on to say, "Men have a high tendency to act on their sexual fantasies." Talk about unsafe sex! :eek:

[Rich]

But it takes two to tango, as they say. So how come Marcie gets a machete crammed up her *ahem* while Jack gets a quick decapitation?

I actually asked myself that very same question today, and was thinking of re-writing it so that he gets an equally nasty death. I don't know what it is going to be but I plan on re-writing it.

I don't want to come across as a sexist here, but it seems pretty common knowledge that when it comes to sexual orientation, we (guys) are the weaker sex. We can't keep it in our pants. Think about it, most of the time if we were offered the chance at sex, we would take it. Women on the other hand, are much better at saying no to sex then we men are. At the end of the day it is usually the woman who is the deciding factor of whether or not it is going to happen or not, because it is not like the man is going to say no, so maybe that is why the murderer holds her more responsible then he/she held Jack.

[NETRA]

Perhaps. But one could argue that a guy's sex drive often peer pressures girls. Which would make him more "guilty" in the killer's eyes. ;) Either way, you could solve the problem by making her the instigator, as I said. And it wouldn't have to be Jack and Marcie. F13 opens with a sex kill. You could rewrite that one.

[CrazyCamper]

Anyone who thinks chics don't want it every bit as much as the man does is, well...confused. We just, for some reason, play idiotic mind games about it all. Well, I don't, lol...but alot'a chicks do. Truth is I want it WAY more than my husband & he has all the BS excuses. I get so pissed at the dumb "men want sex all the time, girls don't" crud. It just ain't so. :D

...for what it's worth.

[Shoesalesman]

Basically the mindset is that Mrs. Voorhees actually gets offended by the act of sex, since it is indirectly what caused Jason to drown. She sees it as a mockery of Jason. That is why she gets so enraged.

That's my interpretation too.

[Ron]

I think your scene is perfect the way it is.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

I have thought up a pretty damn disgusting death scene for a remake of Friday the 13th.

Jack and Marcie are doing it. In my version of the remake, however, Jack puts cuffs on Marcie on both hands and both feet to bed posts. He does her and she is moaning and they are having an orgy. Then he has to go to the bathroom. She says, "Well are you just going to leave me like this?" and he responds, "[laughing] I ain't done, I just gotta piss," and she giggles. Then As he is in the bathroom, someone was waiting in the shower with the curtain drawn the whole time. As he flushes the boll, a machete slices his head clear off. Marcie is waiting for Jack to come back in but, someone else does. All you can see is black pants and a machete dripping blood and Marcie, cuffed to the bed, starts to scream and cry. You hear a real nasty evil undistinguishable voice (can't even tell the voice's sex) say, "So you little ficking slut bitch whore, you wanna be fucked hah? Try this on for size!" and the machete goes up the vagina little by little, slowly, and she screams and squirms and tries to kick her feet, but of course it does no good. She begs and pleads for the person to stop, but the machete get pushed deeper and deeper and she screams and squirms more. The last think her see is her feet squirming and they slowly begin to stop. On the wall you can see the shadow of nothing more then the handle stickout of from in between her legs, and a hand yanks it out as blood squirts.

I think that'd make a great scene, Rich. :) I like it alot.

[NETRA]

One thing did occur to me. You might consider something besides a decapitation since that's how Mrs. Voorhees dies. Assuming you're keeping her (and her beheading) in the script, that is. Just a thought.

BTW, I have a question about ANB that I'm sure a million people have asked but it's always bugged me. What's the deal with Tommy getting all weirded out by the neon trailer park sign? I always feel that I'm missing something.

[The Dream Master]

I'm thinking he was just sort of spacing out at that point. I wondered the same thing when I watched it a few months ago.

[NETRA]

Yeah, you could be right. I once watched a drugged up guy zone out looking at a strobe light. Maybe Tommy's having a similar experience with the neon sign . . . A sort of "insane high."

[The Dream Master]

Or maybe he was doped up on so much medication he could only think "ooh...light pretty." :p

[NETRA]

Oh, I hadn't thought of that! He was popping those pills, after all.

[sCabbOy]

Who hasn't looked at lights? I catch myself staring at lights on occasion. I'm sure it was just written to be a lead to Junior motorcycle light and nothing more.

[El Rooto]

Plus it was making cool "zzzzt!" noises. Wouldn't you stare?

[sCabbOy]

Plus it was making cool "zzzzt!" noises. Wouldn't you stare?

Maybe I am a wallflower, but I'm always staring at shit like tht haha.

[girlychaos]

That noise was really annoying...if you ask me, the noise seems to bother him even more than the light did. Just the way I see it.

[Darth Sinister]

Tommy's brain is fried and he's losing his mind. So he's drawn to the sign and as he's staring, I think he's starting to flip out again. But then good old Junior shows up.

[Shoesalesman]

Tommy's brain is fried and he's losing his mind. So he's drawn to the sign and as he's staring, I think he's starting to flip out again. But then good old Junior shows up.

The fight scene that follows is classic WHIP YO ASS style. When Tommy kicks Junior's knee before he raises his fist and screams... fantastic. You can really feel the crunch.

[NETRA]

Yeah, poor Junior didn't know what he'd gotten himself into. It's really a shame that Tommy didn't become the "new Jason" because I'd like to see him put those skills to use as a killer. It would have added a unique touch.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

The fight scene that follows is classic WHIP YO ASS style. When Tommy kicks Junior's knee before he raises his fist and screams... fantastic. You can really feel the crunch.

Yeah, that was great. Part 5 Tommy was a badass. :)

[girlychaos]

I still prefer part 6 Tommy though.

[Deathscythe]

Same here, his jacket was too awesome.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

I do like Part 6 Tommy, but I prefer the crazed and catatonic Tommy from Part 5. :)

[Deathscythe]

Funny thing is, both John Shepard or Thom Matthews did not look like a teen at all.

[sCabbOy]

John Shepherd could pass as 19-24 easily. Thom Mathews... 30 or so.

I think if they gave John Shepherd hair like Tommy in IV, dressed him dorky with the same glasses it would have been easier to see..

[girlychaos]

I'm probably the only one who doesn't know it.....but why did they change the actors? I mean, I loved it, cause I really like Thom Matthews, but why didn't they stick to John Shepherd?

[Utellme]

No your not the only one who don't know i don't either . But im glad they did cause i liked Thom Matthews better imo.

[girlychaos]

I've always preferred Thom Matthews over John Shepherd, but I'm just curious about the whole thing. I'd really appreciate it if someone could tell me why they didn't go with John on part 6.

[sCabbOy]

After contemplation, John turned it down due to religious reasons. By then he was deep into his job as youth minister and he felt he'd come off like a hypocrite if he was telling kids NOT to watch movies like Friday The 13th when he was starring in them.

[Deathscythe]

I remember reading John was asked to come back but he declined. Anyone wanna confirm this as true and why he declined?

Edit: Nevermind, sCabbOy covered it.

[sCabbOy]

It ewas covered in Crystal Lake Memories.

Shavar Ross was also asked to come back, but his parents declined for him because he was going to be killed off. Melanie Kinnamon was then removed from a probable because the plot was going to go a different way.

[Deathscythe]

Interesting, makes me wanna go buy the book.

Whos Melanie through? Pam?

[girlychaos]

I need to take the time and read more about those things.

Thanks a lot, scab....you're always giving us so much information. It means a lot (not only to me, I'm sure).

[sCabbOy]

Interesting, makes me wanna go buy the book.

Whos Melanie through? Pam?

Yes, Pam- the blonde

[NETRA]

Well now that's interesting. So in earlier versions of the JL script, were they intending to follow-up the plot of Part 5 more closely? Such as explaining why Tommy is no longer psychotic?

[sCabbOy]

Well now that's interesting. So in earlier versions of the JL script, were they intending to follow-up the plot of Part 5 more closely? Such as explaining why Tommy is no longer psychotic?

Well, it was supposed to be a continuation of A New Beginning as in no Jason, Tommy would have been the killer. I really love the idea of that concept too. But that was before A New Beginning didn't do as well at the box office as they thought and then Jason being brought back seemed to be the answer... and of course that did worse than A New Beginning.

But, John Shepherd said in Crystal Lake Memories, that he read the script to Jason Lives and contemplated taking it because of the little girl (Nancy?) praying to make Jaosn go away and when she opens her eyes he's gone. He said he liked that.... but of course he made a personal choice not to be Tommy.

[girlychaos]

Yeah, the little girl's name is Nancy. And I always found that part really nice....especially when I watched it as a kid. I'd think "Jason doesn't kill children, I'm safe". :lol:

I never thought the reason he went away was that the police got there and he had "more important" things to do. ;)

[The Tall Man]

Well, it was supposed to be a continuation of A New Beginning as in no Jason, Tommy would have been the killer. I really love the idea of that concept too. But that was before A New Beginning didn't do as well at the box office as they thought and then Jason being brought back seemed to be the answer... and of course that did worse than A New Beginning.
Their decision to bring back Jason was because fans were picketing Paramount Studios.

T.M.

[sCabbOy]

Their decision to bring back Jason was because fans were picketing Paramount Studios.

T.M.

That's new info, good to know. Were they literally picketing, or picketing through verbal and written complaints?

[The Tall Man]

They were mobbed up outside the studio holding up signs reading "Bring Back Jason!" and "Ve Vant Voorhees!"

T.M.

[Nancy Thompson]

I so loved when Tommy beat the shit out of Junior. That was so bad ass! And i loved when Junior got his head chop off lol

[girlychaos]

Yeah....Junior seriously had it coming! lol

[MaDMaNMaRz]

I'd probably have to rank Junior as the most annoying character in the series.

[Brett H.]

Eat your fucking slop! Highlight of the movie.

I actually don't mind the ending of this one. I dig the barn.

[girlychaos]

I'd probably have to rank Junior as the most annoying character in the series.

His mom too! :D
And....well, you're probably not going to agree with me on this one, but Ted (TFC) is really annoying too.

[Deathscythe]

I didn't think they were annoying, I thought Junior and his mother Ethal were hilarious.

[girlychaos]

To me they were both: annoying and hilarious!

[MaDMaNMaRz]

I actually liked Ethel.......she was hilarious. :) But I always thought Junior was really annoying.

[Deathscythe]

Ethel: That is one fucking ugly man that goes there.
Junior: That's one fucking ugly man, mama.
Ethel: Would you shut your trap? You ain't so purty yourself, you know.

Cracks me up every time.

[NETRA]

you're probably not going to agree with me on this one, but Ted (TFC) is really annoying too.

At last! So many people say TFC Ted is one of their favorite characters. I always found him annoying. He was mean to Jim (whom I adore), he had a one-track mind and never said anything worth listening to. He deserved to end up on the sofa alone. :p

As for Ethal and Junior, I enjoy them as a guilty pleasure but I admit that if someone else were around, I'd be embarrassed by their scenes.

[sCabbOy]

Ted is very annoying, as as much as I love Crispin Jimbo is as well.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

At last! So many people say TFC Ted is one of their favorite characters. I always found him annoying. He was mean to Jim (whom I adore), he had a one-track mind and never said anything worth listening to. He deserved to end up on the sofa alone. :p

I never really liked Ted either. He was so annoying.....I couldn't wait for him to be killed. :D

[girlychaos]

NETRA...it's no secret here that I love Jimbo! And yeah...Ted was annoying and I was glad he ended up alone!

I never really liked Ted either. He was so annoying.....I couldn't wait for him to be killed. :D

:shock: I think it's actually the first time I see a guy agree with that! :p :D

[The Tall Man]

I stand alone in my distaste for Jimbo.

I thought Roy should have been posthumously awarded a medal of honor for doing away with Ethel and Junior.

T.M.

[The Dream Master]

I don't know if I've said this before on here or the other forum, but I think ANB actually has some of the most likeable characters in the whole saga: Reggie, his grandfather, Demon, Pam, Jake, and Tommy (even if he was a nutbar).

[girlychaos]

I thought Roy should have been posthumously awarded a medal of honor for doing away with Ethel and Junior.

:lol: I agree! You said it all.

[NETRA]

I think ANB actually has some of the most likeable characters in the whole saga

Part 5 introduced us to characters that seemed pretty cool but we got very little of them hanging out or playing off one another (as Parts 1, 2 and 3 did very well). I'd love to have gotten to know Jake a bit better, for instance.

I stand alone in my distaste for Jimbo.

I just enjoy the things he says. "Oh no no . . . We have no suits!" That makes me laugh EVERY time! And so does, "He thinks that's funny. He thinks that's a funny thing he's doing." His delivery is hilarious.

[Darth Sinister]

Ethel: That is one fucking ugly man that goes there.
Junior: That's one fucking ugly man, mama.
Ethel: Would you shut your trap? You ain't so purty yourself, you know.

Cracks me up every time.

Don't forget Junior's reply.

Junior: "I ain't so purty, I know."

And I still maintain that Ethel calling Junior a dildo, is the funniest thing ever.

[Shoesalesman]

And I still maintain that Ethel calling Junior a dildo, is the funniest thing ever.

That and, "Holy Shee-it! Who the fuck are you and what the fuck do you want?!" when the vagabond dude shows up at her screen door.

[Rich]

I stand alone in my distaste for Jimbo.

I thought Roy should have been posthumously awarded a medal of honor for doing away with Ethel and Junior.

T.M.

I thought those two characters were funny as hell. Though their diologue was Rob Zombie quality, that kind of mouth was rare even for horror back then. Today every damn rated R horror movie has a bunch curses.

[Joshg]

It was offbeat, and trashy, yet, for Part V it worked, because they weren't being serious with the language. Or, at least, it didn't come off as accidental. Hehe,

[Kane Lives]

Ethel and Junior were my favorite part of A New Beginning. lol

[Darth Sinister]

It was offbeat, and trashy, yet, for Part V it worked, because they weren't being serious with the language. Or, at least, it didn't come off as accidental. Hehe,

She swore a lot, but not nearly as excessive as say Rob Zombie.

[M.I.A.]

I always loved how bold this installment of the franchise was. Even though it was universally panned at the time, a copycat Jason film was a brilliant idea. The idea just wasn't thought out as well as it should have been. They should have taken their time with it instead of rushing it out to theatres to make the quick buck. From this film forward, you could imagine the franchise slowly going in a non Jason direction. Could've been interesting, and the sky would've been the limit going into the 90's.

Instead, the fanbase blows their stack, and we get zombie Jason to ruin the rest of the franchise.

[sCabbOy]

I agree M.I.A., it was very bold and nothing like the previous installments and a copycat is a very good idea. However, in an established franchise there are way too many fanatics of the killer Jason even though Jason was barely a star in the first 3 movies.

It's too bad that a completely different franchise wasn't born- a copycat killer, ghost hauntings of Crystal Lake, the legend of the area and such.

Perhaps if Cunningham ever makes his Crystal Lake TV series that's what it will be about. I doubt that will ever happen though. Maybe if there is a F13th remake and it does super well.

[Shoesalesman]

Instead, the fanbase blows their stack, and we get zombie Jason to ruin the rest of the franchise.

Respectfully, of course, I must disagree with you. :)

There were many redeeming qualities to the rest of the series after part 5, as far as I'm concerned, and I surely wouldn't write those parts off as garbage. I agree, parts 1 through 5 were better, but there's lots going for the parts after.