Metallica

[Fan of Freddy]

Okay, I know there has to be some fans of Metallica out there. Anyone catch them on Live Earth? Probably the best they've sounded in years. Most of their recent shows on the Sick of the Studio tour sound amazing. James' vocals have greatly improved since the Madly in Anger tour. I have some strong positive feelings about how the new album will sound.

Anyone else?

[Shoesalesman]

Not a fan of anything after their early 90s BLACK album, but they had some fast songs (Whiplash comes to mind) earlier on in their career. Cliff was an awsome bass player. :angel:

[Lance Lives]

I really hope the presence of a new producer will work what I would consider a miracle in turning this once amazing band around. Bob Rock really was what killed Metallica and now that they've finally let him go, I'm hoping Rubin will be able to get some of that early energy out of their minds.

[Geddy Peart]

My fandom for Metallica is weening(sp?) I'll check out their new album, but my expectations are low. I recently was reading This Monster Lives, it's written by one of the filmmakers of Some Kind Of Monster and well, my thoughts from the other board sums up how I feel about the band now:

Currently This Monster Lives, which was written by the director of Metallica documentary Sone Kind of Monster. The book goes into detail about all of the behind the scenes happenings during filming.

TML onlys irritates me the more I read it. I think it may also be the final nail in the coffin of my Metallica fandom. The author is a tool who does nothing but swing from the band's nuts and the band members themselves all come off as childish, self-obsorbed wussies (with the exception of Jason). I can't believe they were actually one of my favorite bands at one time.

[Jigsaw]

I love their first five albums (Kill 'Em All through Black) and think their post-Black work is decent with the exception of St. Anger, which IMO is their only bad album to date. I hope the next one will be good though.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

I LOVE the old Metallica( Kill em All - ...And Justice For All). Some people might call me crazy, but i've never been THAT into the Black album.

Master of Puppets is my favorite album. It's one of my all-time favorite albums.

Some of my favorite songs:

Fight Fire With Fire
Escape
Master of Puppets
Blackened
Whiplash
The Frayed Ends of Sanity
...And Justice For All
Fade to Black

[Rich]

Metallica is the greatest band of all time in my view, not just in metal or rock, but in music.

Master is their best album, no doubt. I like everything they've done from Kill 'Em all to S&M. I hated St. Anger. Metallica is just one of those bands though. Whenever they make a new album, they always deserve a fair chance. They have earned that. I like the new songs that I have herd so far. They are certainly on the right track with the return of the guitar solos.

[kramerfan]

I agree on their thrash metal from 83-89.I dont care for The Black Album at all.
ADDED:
I meant to say thrash metal.

[Shoesalesman]

There's some great guitar work on Master Of Puppets. I had it on the CD player earlier this morning and I must agree with MMM about it being a favorite. The whole album had a great flow to it. The songs seemed perfectly placed.

[Lammert]

I only like their album "And justice for all"... I didn't like most of the stuff that came after that.
I'm not really into rock/metal, but I still want to checkout the black album one of these days.

[Shoesalesman]

I only like their album "And justice for all"... I didn't like most of the stuff that came after that.
I'm not really into rock/metal, but I still want to checkout the black album one of these days.

I found the Black album to have maybe three or four good songs on it. You felt the band change direction on this release for sure.

[Shoesalesman]

Just bought the VHS home video "CLIFF 'EM ALL" from a second hand store for $2.00. Great footage of Cliff doing what Cliff does best on the bass guitar. Cool to see a young Dave Mustaine during one of the interviews.

RIP Cliff. :cry:

[Rich]

Cliff 'Em All is a great video. I have the dvd. I love it. It has the best version of For Whom the Bell Tolls ever released in my opinion!

[Toejam]

I've liked all their albums but St. Anger.
Master of Puppets is probably my favorite, but I also really like Ride the Lightning and ...and Justice for All.

[Rich]

I agree with you Toejam. I like all of it but St. Anger. You know though, starting with The Black Album they have become an absolutely different band though. I still believe that part of that reason is because of the loss of Cliff. Justice was as good as it was because Cliff wrote a lot of it. With Black and up they were very different. I think when he died a part of the band truely died with him. They will never be like they were in the 1980s...ever. All I hope for is the new album to be hard rock with some cool guitar solos and I'll be happy.

[Shoesalesman]

Cliff 'Em All is a great video. I have the dvd. I love it. It has the best version of For Whom the Bell Tolls ever released in my opinion!

Agreed. I marvel at how fast they play live on the video. I was trying to keep up with James, but I gave up. He should have kept his hair long, because it suits him better than his short hair now. I think my new favorite bass player, next to Steve Harris from Iron Maiden and Pakash John from mid-70s Cooper and Lou Reed, is Cliff.

[Lammert]

Can someone list their albums in order?

[Toejam]

Studio Albums
Kill 'Em All (1983)
Ride the Lightning (1984)
Master of Puppets (1986)
...And Justice for All (1988)
Metallica (Black album) (1991)
Load (1996)
ReLoad (1997)
St. Anger (2003)

Live and other albums
Live Sh*t: Binge & Purge (3 disk live album) (1993)
Garage Inc.(1st disc new covers, 2nd disk compilation of older covers) (1998)
S&M (live with the San Francisco Symphony) (1999)

[Scarecrow]

Saw them at Earl's Court back in 2003... fantastic experience. Brilliant music, a lot of energy and passion and it shows through.


- Scarecrow

[Shoesalesman]

Between the two shows I saw, And Justice For All tour and the Black Album tour, Justice was more raw and in your face. The Black Album tour seemed more about how the band looked than delivering great music. Just my opinion.

[SoulOnFire]

I agree with you Toejam. I like all of it but St. Anger. You know though, starting with The Black Album they have become an absolutely different band though. I still believe that part of that reason is because of the loss of Cliff. Justice was as good as it was because Cliff wrote a lot of it. With Black and up they were very different. I think when he died a part of the band truely died with him. They will never be like they were in the 1980s...ever. All I hope for is the new album to be hard rock with some cool guitar solos and I'll be happy.

Actually, Cliff only wrote a few riffs for To Live Is To Die. I'm listening to Justice right now, and I keep forgetting how damn good it is.

I actually like the Black Album. Maybe it's nostalgia (I bought it when it first came out and I was just going into 7th grade), but I have no beef with that album Plus, it has some of their best work with My Friend of Misery, Wherever I May Roam, and Sad But True.

I've found that as I've gotten older, I'm enjoying Load more and more. I can actually relate to the lyrics on a personal level, more than any of their other work except St.Anger believe it or not. As a recovering addict (alcohol) and having seen what it's done to people I love, I totally relate to a lot of the feelings on St. Anger. But I will say that St. Anger should have been an EP containing the title track, Frantic, All Within My Hands, Unnamed Feeling, and Dirty Window.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

I've always loved the cover for the Creeping Death EP. :)

http://www.coverportal.de/cover/audio/m/metallica-creeping_death_a.jpg

[Slice]

Metallica turns what I would call a terrible song into a work of art. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRuYNnpIjHk

[CanadianFonzie]

it's known by many that I strangely just can't get into Metallica (though Megadeth are of of my favourite bands) but I can definetally listen to Metallica and not mind, and I do quite enjoy the video for "One", which is played atleast once a day on MuchMoreRetro it seems, lol

[Fan of Freddy]

Metallica turns what I would call a terrible song into a work of art. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRuYNnpIjHk

:eek:....Amazing transformation. It's like the story of the ugly duckling or something.

If anything, it shows what some fans have thought all along; that some of the St. Anger songs had potential to be great tracks with a bit of work. If they had done this plugged in, with electric guitars and such, it would have been perfect IMO.

[Rich]

It still sucked.

[alicefan696]

yeah, I saw their performance for Live Earth live on the internet, it was pretty good, there older stuff is good, but the newer stuff went downhill

[Shoesalesman]

there older stuff is good, but the newer stuff went downhill


Agreed. Been listening to Ride The Lightning this week at work
(along with my KISS) - almost as good as Kill 'em All, but not quite.

[alicefan696]

yeah, I'm not sure I would pick as my fav. between the two because Kill 'Em All is good and has shorter faster songs, but I like the Call of Ktulu and some of the longer songs on RTL as well, they are both good in my book

[Shoesalesman]

Kill 'Em All set the standard for the next two albums to come, which did very well on their own. Look-wise, James was in top form musically and visually during these albums in my books. I pulled out my And Justice For All tour book and the dude had wicked-ass hair. LOL!

[MaDMaNMaRz]

Kill 'Em All set the standard for the next two albums to come, which did very well on their own. Look-wise, James was in top form musically and visually during these albums in my books. I pulled out my And Justice For All tour book and the dude had wicked-ass hair. LOL!

I agree Shoey. Ride the Lightning took what Kill did, but took it 2 steps further. Both Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets are my favorites.

LOL...in about another year or so (maybe 2), i'll have wicked ass long hair, haha. :lol:

[Shoesalesman]

In that tour book, I came across a band picture in the dressing room with Lars naked. It was blacked out (his crotch) but there may have been a towel there under the censor strip that I couldn't see.

For a split-second when I first saw the picture and looked at the little black square... I thought it was one of those 'scratch-n-sniff' pads. Ew!

[alicefan696]

I haven't listened to either of their first two albums lately, but I am thinking I will probably go with Ride the Lightning of the two of my fav., but it could change in the future

[MaDMaNMaRz]

I LOVE Ride the Lightning. Fight Fire With Fire is such a great intro song. I've always enjoyed the production on Ride quite a bit. I always hate when bads re-record their songs, and release them as albums. Take Testament's First Strike Till Deadly album. I personally think the production sounded better on the 80's albums.

[CanadianFonzie]

I have an important announcement to make...

after 25 years and many points of denial...I like Metallica

[Rich]

I have got to disagree with Madman on that one. I think First Strike sounds way better then the 80s Testament albums. I like when bands update the production. Metallica's first four albums are their best music, but the production does sound very dated.

[CanadianFonzie]

I LOVE Ride the Lightning. Fight Fire With Fire is such a great intro song.

funny cause that's the only song off that album that I don't like:shifty:

[alicefan696]

The Call of Ktulu and Fade to Black are two other great songs on that album

[MaDMaNMaRz]

Ride the Lightning is a solid album. I love every song on there.

Is Fight Fire With Fire too heavy for you, Fonz?

[alicefan696]

Ride the Lightning is a solid album. I love every song on there.

Is Fight Fire With Fire too heavy for you, Fonz?

lol, probably :D

[CanadianFonzie]

it's just the way James is singing Fight Fire With Fire that doesn't pull me toward the song

but Fade To Black IS my favourite Metallica song, without a doubt (of course since I'm early in my interest for the band that could change)

[alicefan696]

yeah, Fade is one of the best on the album

[CanadianFonzie]

you already said that, lol

[alicefan696]

oh yeah, I did

[CanadianFonzie]

I now own Master of Puppets and ...And Justice For All and I'm currently listening to Master of Puppets

[Slice]

I now own Master of Puppets and ...And Justice For All and I'm currently listening to Master of Puppets
I believe you had mentioned in another thread that you prefered Megadeth to Metallica. Well that's about to change now that you have bought MOP and AJFA. As much as I love Megadeth I feel Metallica almost always manages to one up them.

[CanadianFonzie]

nope, definitelly still prefer Megadeth, and I didn't quite go for ...And Justice For All, it's not a bad album but I'm guessing it was because there was no Cliff it just wasn't the same, it didn't come close to the first 3 albums and now I'm not sure whether to go on and get the self-titled album

[Shoesalesman]

Cliff is a better bassist, but Jason was awsome in And Justice For All and he filled some pretty big shoes. Good for him.

[CanadianFonzie]

you can't even hear the bass on that album, even the band admits it, I just found myself bored listening to the whole album

[Jigsaw]

I've heard the bass on AJFA was deliberately turned down by the band because they enjoyed hazing Jason after he joined them. That's a huge asshole move on their part. Still, it's my favorite Metallica album.

[CanadianFonzie]

I heard that too and that Jason was afraid to speak up cause he was new, long live Cliff!

[MaDMaNMaRz]

Yeah, they intentionally doubled all of the bass with the guitars...it was sort of a hazing, I agree Jigsaw. That never bothered me, though. I think Justice sounds great....really harsh and intense.

Fonz, now that you heard their first 4, which is your favorite?

[CanadianFonzie]

in order,
Ride the Lightning
Kill 'Em All
Master of Puppets(a very close 3rd but 3rd none-the-less)
and at the very very bottom, ...And Justice For All

[MaDMaNMaRz]

Can I ask what you didn't like about Justice? Was it the production? I'm just curious.

For me, Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets are tied. But if I HAD to pick one, i'd say Puppets.

[Jigsaw]

I think Justice sounds great....really harsh and intense.


I agree. The harshness and rawness of the sound on AJFA really adds to the overall angry feeling the album has.

[Lance Lives]

Indeed, Justice is so pissed off...I love it. I think that of the top 3 'Tallica albums IMO (Ride, Puppets, and Justice) that RTL is probably my least favorite because it has the song Escape on it, and I've just never liked that song. I can listen to the other ones from front to back but I always skip Escape.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

I actually like Escape. It's not my favorite on there, but I can listen to it.

The verse riff in Trapped Under Ice is actually used in the Exodus song, Impaler. It sounds really good on their Tempo of the Damned album.

I'd rank the first 4 like this:

Master of Puppets
Ride the Lightning
...And Justice For All
Kill 'Em All

[Jigsaw]

My rankings of the first four albums:


AJFA
MOP
RTL
KEA


The Black Album would be in third place after AJFA and MOP. TBA was even my favorite Metallica album for a long time until AJFA and MOP eventually grew on me more. I too like the song Escape from RTL, I always found it underrated.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

I've hardly listened to the Black album. It's definitely the best of their post thrash albums, but I still can't listen to it really. I agree that Escape is an underrated song.

I still get goosebumps listening to Fade to Black. I absolutely love the intro, and the end melody during the solo. Pure brilliance.

[Jigsaw]

Fade To Black is easily one of their best songs. It never fails to resonate with me.

TBA has a lot of my favorite songs on it. I love The Struggle Within, Enter Sandman, Nothing Else Matters, Of Wolf And Man, Through The Never, Holier Than Thou, Sad But True and The God That Failed.

[CanadianFonzie]

I'll tell you exactly what I didn't like about ...And Justice For All, no Cliff Burton, the songs were way too suttle compared to the raw endless thrash of Kill 'Em All and the hard n' heavy Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets, ...And Justice For All had maybe 2 true thrash songs and the rest just led into what would become the self-titled album showing concentrating on more making catchy music than heavy guitar riffs and squeeling screams like the first 3...and I can only assume it's because htey didn't have Cliff to stop this from happening

...basically I find ...And Justice For All to be the early signs of what Metallica is now, this is all my opinion of course, it's not really a bad album, just very very disappointing

[MaDMaNMaRz]

That's cool. I was just curious.

What songs did you enjoy from Justice? The Frayed Ends of Sanity was always one of my favorites...as well as playing it on guitar.

[Jigsaw]

I LOVE The Frayed Ends Of Sanity, especially the solo. That song is so underrated.

[CanadianFonzie]

well I have always like One for years, and IMO the only 2 real thrash songs off the album, Blackened and Dyers Eve are the other favourites, but they will never compare to songs like Fade to Black, For Whom the Bell Tolls and The Four Horsemen (my 3 favourite songs by them)

[Lance Lives]

I agree that Dyer's Eve jams the fuck out. Also, while TBA is open for discussion, I don't have much use for it, but I still think that The God that Failed is a good song.

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

The other night at work, I had the 'And Justice For All' album playing, and as I was ringing up a customer he looks up at me and says "The last good Metallica album, man."

So, I just nodded my head and said "...How True."

:D

[Rich]

My rank is like this:

Master of Puppets
...And Justice for All
Ride the Lightening
Kill 'Em All
Metallica (The Black Album)
Re-Load
Load

I only included the original albums, not Garage because it was just covers or S&M and Live Shit because they were just live or St. Anger because it was that bad.

[SlasherFreak]

I usually dont like heavy music, but I have to agree that metallica is dope. I go through Metallica phases a few times a year where I listen to Metallica for a few days . "One" is one of my favorite songs of all time. My brother had all these cd's growing up...but the only ones I liked and care to buy as an adult was Ride The Lightening, ...And Justice For All and The Black Album...The Black Album being my favorite.

[CanadianFonzie]

man I can't believe how different people order the albums from me, lol, am I the only one who picks Ride the Lightning as my favourite album by them? and Kill 'Em All as my second? lol

[MaDMaNMaRz]

Nah....I knew someone who liked Kill 'Em All the best.

For me, Ride and Puppets are actually tied.

[CanadianFonzie]

lol good, now I don't feel like usch a new guy

[Lance Lives]

A friend of mine who has been a Metallica fan since he was about 10 and he's 24 now claims Ride the Lightning is his favorite. He's a bit crazy about them though because he likes every cd they've ever put out...including St. Anger. I just can't get behind him on that...

[MaDMaNMaRz]

I agree. I don't like any of their albums after Justice....not even the Black album.

[CanadianFonzie]

Some Kind of Monster is a hell of a documentary, if you ask me, it may be documenting a crap album but it documents the band in such a great way, I love hearing when they talk about Cliff

[God of Thunder]

Escape
Yes! I knew I wasn't the only one who loved this song! Metallica is definitely one of my favorite bands. Their first 5 albums are absolutely solid. I honestly can't decide on a favorite between Ride the Lghtning and Master of Puppets. Those albums are both indescribably awesome, and I could listen to them without ever getting bored of them. Unfortunately, Bob Rock really fucked them up bad, just like the other bands he produced. I do, however, have full faith that this new album will be a return to form. I only say this because htye finally dropped Bob and went for Rick Rubin... and I'm very curious to see how it will turn out. Anyway, here are some of my favorites

Damage Inc
Metal Militia
Blackened (my favorite)
Frayed Ends of Sanity
Harvester of Sorrow
Welcome Home (Sanitarium)
Escape
The Four Horsemen
Whiplash
Leper Messiah
Hit The Lights
Turn the Page cover (although I generally hated the slow sound of Load/Reload, this was an excellent cover of a classic song)
Disposable Heroes
Master of Puppets
Battery
Fight Fire With Fire
Ride the Lighting
For Whom the Bell Tolls
Creeping Death
Fade to Black
One
Dyers Eve
...And Justice For All
Eye of the Beholder
The God that Failed
Enter Sandman
The Unnamed Feeling (one of the very few from St. Anger I like)
Holier than Thou
The Unforgiven
Nothing Else Matters
Motorbreath
Jump in the Fire
No Remorse

[CanadianFonzie]

I think you just named every song off their first 5 albums:|

[Jigsaw]

That's a pretty good list, GOT. Anything from Metallica's first five pre-Load albums is gold in my opinion, although I enjoy quite a bit of material from the Load/Reload eras as well and enjoy everything they've done minus St. Anger, which in my opinion is their only bad album to date.

[islandmountain]

I do like Metallica a lot but they haven't made a very good record in 17 years now. I know that they have a new album on the horizon but I really couldn't care less although James Hetfield has said it's going back to the Master of Puppets-style.

[God of Thunder]

I think you just named every song off their first 5 albums:|
Ha ha, probably. The first 5 albums are some of my favorite albums ever, it's so hard to pick a favorite from each cause every track is equally good.

[Lance Lives]

I really hope the new album is worth a damn, but I just don't think they have any legit angst left in them, something that really makes music like this all the more real. They can try to re-capture the old days, but they were young and pissed off and now they're old and rich...it won't be the same.

[Jigsaw]

I agree, LL. Watching a lot of videos of recent performances they've given, Metallica is a far cry from the way they were back in the '80s and early '90s, even in the late '90s they had a lot of energy. Nowadays, not so much, and they seem bored and disinterested with a lot of their recent performances.

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

I heard on the radio the other day two things:

-Mid September the new album is coming out

-And sometime in May a website will be online which you can preview SOME of their new stuff.

[Jigsaw]

Thanks for the information. I hope the new album will be good, although I'm not expecting it to top MOP and AJFA.

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

Thanks for the information. I hope the new album will be good, although I'm not expecting it to top MOP and AJFA.

Oh I know for certain nothing can top RTL, MOP, or AJFA.

[Jigsaw]

I think Metallica set the bar so high with MOP and AJFA that topping either of those albums in terms of complexity and technicality that topping them is simply impossible.

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

They have changed SO much since the Black Album.

A lot of their Die Hard fans really only listen to RTL - AJFA, and I don't blame them. That was Metallica in their heyday, doing what they did best. Once The Black Album came out, it was very noticeable that they were losing their metal edge, and going simply into simple Hard Rock.

When Load come out, it was a different Metallica all together. I would like to find a good reasoning for this, but since I'm an ass about what the real reasons are...I blame Bob Rock, and just about all of the creative juices, or lack there of, that were being tossed around in the group. The albums after that just became very sloppy, and Saint Anger was just a travesty to even have the METALLICA name associated with it. Granted, I have seen the 'Some Kind of Monster' Documentary, so I know reasons why it turned out to be pure shit.

Now, given the addition of Rick Rubin, the state of metal today, and what the boys can do better than anyone, I wonder if they can actually pull off a decent album this time around.

I think Rick is going to push them to do the things they do best, which is write chunky, epic, riff-heavy songs with deep, personal lyrical content. I also think Kirk's comments about an "Eastern" or "Middle Eastern" vibe will come through on some schizo type songs, but hopefully won't come across as System of a Down-esque.

It should be obvious to anyone paying attention that metal in the last 3 or 4 years has taken in a lot of hardcore, post-hardcore, screamo type sound a la Avenged Sevenfold, Bullet for My Valentine, Atreyu, In Flames, etc. These guys are selling assloads of albums, filling arenas, and winning (no pun intended) critical acclaim. Judging by Metallica's selection of opening acts and touring buddies, that the boys dig on some of this (Kirk has been wearing a Trivium shirt a lot these days). So, maybe they'll go in this direction, with complex drumming and riffs and solos.

The selection of other opening acts like Machine Head, Down, and The Sword suggest to me that we are looking at pretty heavy sound. With only ten songs, I'm expecting some long, AJFA type epics on here. And not just looped filler like on that piece of shit St. Anger, but REAL metal masterpieces, like Disposable Heroes and Shortest Straw.

I hope the bass is more prevalent, too. Just like we used to hear Cliff...

ALSO:
www.missionmetallica.com

[Jigsaw]

I know some die hard fans rag on the Black Album, but I love it and think it's often unfairly put down. Sure, it's a noticable departure from the first four albums, but it's still very much Metal (even if it's not quite as heavy or relentless). Some of their best songs and lyrics ever IMO are on it, and there's still an old-school feel to it, with songs like Holier Than Thou, Through The Never and The Struggle Within. It's my third favorite album after AJFA and MOP, respectively.

When Load came, that was when the change was obvious. Their style of music pretty much totally changed. Load had some good tracks on it, but there a lot of filler. Reload I actually like a lot and think is damn underrated. The first four and last four tracks on it are all great Hard Rock tunes. But St. Anger, yikes :X That's the only Metallica album I despise. Calling it an album is being generous, since it's little else but noise and shouting, and not much actual musical ability like the previous albums.

[jeff_brister2004]

I love all of metallica's albums of the late 80's and early 90's! I'd say metallica is my favorite band second to Guns N' Roses!

[Jigsaw]

Yep, Metallica from 1983-1991 is awesome. As I've said before, I enjoy all of their stuff except for St. Anger, but other than that, they're great.

[jeff_brister2004]

I never really picked up St. Anger. I guess I'm not missing much from what your saying.

[Jigsaw]

You're not, trust me. You can probably find some songs from it on YouTube if you look for it. The album speaks for itself when you listen to it :X

[jeff_brister2004]

I'm addicted to playing One by Metallica on Guitar Hero 3!

well, jigsaw i'm off for tonight! I'll catch you on here tomorrow hopefully. take care!

[Jigsaw]

Good night, Jeff.

[God of Thunder]

They have changed SO much since the Black Album.

A lot of their Die Hard fans really only listen to RTL - AJFA, and I don't blame them. That was Metallica in their heyday, doing what they did best. Once The Black Album came out, it was very noticeable that they were losing their metal edge, and going simply into simple Hard Rock.

When Load come out, it was a different Metallica all together. I would like to find a good reasoning for this, but since I'm an ass about what the real reasons are...I blame Bob Rock, and just about all of the creative juices, or lack there of, that were being tossed around in the group. The albums after that just became very sloppy, and Saint Anger was just a travesty to even have the METALLICA name associated with it. Granted, I have seen the 'Some Kind of Monster' Documentary, so I know reasons why it turned out to be pure shit.

Now, given the addition of Rick Rubin, the state of metal today, and what the boys can do better than anyone, I wonder if they can actually pull off a decent album this time around.

I think Rick is going to push them to do the things they do best, which is write chunky, epic, riff-heavy songs with deep, personal lyrical content. I also think Kirk's comments about an "Eastern" or "Middle Eastern" vibe will come through on some schizo type songs, but hopefully won't come across as System of a Down-esque.

It should be obvious to anyone paying attention that metal in the last 3 or 4 years has taken in a lot of hardcore, post-hardcore, screamo type sound a la Avenged Sevenfold, Bullet for My Valentine, Atreyu, In Flames, etc. These guys are selling assloads of albums, filling arenas, and winning (no pun intended) critical acclaim. Judging by Metallica's selection of opening acts and touring buddies, that the boys dig on some of this (Kirk has been wearing a Trivium shirt a lot these days). So, maybe they'll go in this direction, with complex drumming and riffs and solos.

The selection of other opening acts like Machine Head, Down, and The Sword suggest to me that we are looking at pretty heavy sound. With only ten songs, I'm expecting some long, AJFA type epics on here. And not just looped filler like on that piece of shit St. Anger, but REAL metal masterpieces, like Disposable Heroes and Shortest Straw.

I hope the bass is more prevalent, too. Just like we used to hear Cliff...

ALSO:
www.missionmetallica.com

I agree with everything said here! Although, I really HOPE that their new album does NOT sound like Atreyu, Avenged Sevenfold, or Trivium. Those are some of my least favorite bands, and I hate their sound. Either way, I guess al we can do is hope for the best here...

[Jigsaw]

I hope the new album sounds like nothing like Avenged Sevenfold. I can't stand them, and I'd be so pissed if the new Metallica album sounded like an A7X album.

[Kat]

Have they even set a release date for their album yet?

BTW, here is one of their new songs... Honestly, I don't like it that much :meh:
snPAOzp2YOA

[Jigsaw]

September this year IIRC.

[Kat]

Hopefully, it isn't anything like St. Anger. While I respect them for doing something different , it just wasn't what it could have been, even for something different. I am praying for something at least like the Black Album.

[Jigsaw]

I too hope this won't be anything like St. Anger. Another Black Album-esque record I'd have no problem with, but I'd prefer a return to the pure epic thrash style of MOP and AJFA.

[God of Thunder]

Well, the Velvet Revolver drummer has heard the album several times, and he says that it's one of their fastest albums since the 80's, so who knows... might be pretty cool. The only thing I hope for are speed, cool riffs, and the return of the "badass" James Hetfield (as opposed to the "pussy" James Hetfield, who came about around 1994). I always thought he had one of the coolest voices in metal, and it got wrecked on Load/ReLoad/St. Anger (although, St. Anger was a very slight return, sans that dumbass "angsty teenager" out-of-key screaming, to his original snarling vocals). And what would REALLY be great is if the first song started with an acoustic guitar intro, and went into an extremely fast song, then about track 4 had a song that starts as a ballad (with disturbing lyrics) and launched into a heavy, fast thrasher. I think they would be truly back then. Motley Crue's work has turned out well so far, Slayer recently came back to their previous sound, as well as Megadeth, so here's to hoping the same happens with Metallica!

And yeah Grave, FUCK Avenged Sevenfold.

[Jigsaw]

And yeah Grave, FUCK Avenged Sevenfold.


:bow:

I actually thought James Hetfield's voice sounded really good around the Load/Reload era. The albums may not have been the greatest, but his voice still sounded excellent IMO. I think it was during the St. Anger era his voice got wrecked and the band went down the tubes in terms of musical ability. Hopefully this album will see the return of the pre-Load Metallica.

[CanadianFonzie]

And yeah Grave, FUCK Avenged Sevenfold.

any thought I had to you being cool has just faded:no:

[God of Thunder]

:bow:

I actually thought James Hetfield's voice sounded really good around the Load/Reload era. The albums may not have been the greatest, but his voice still sounded excellent IMO. I think it was during the St. Anger era his voice got wrecked and the band went down the tubes in terms of musical ability. Hopefully this album will see the return of the pre-Load Metallica.

Yeah, I guess I could agree with that. Ever listen to the Some Kind of Monster EP? He's using his St. Anger voice on tracks like The Four Horsemen, Ride the Lightning and Damage Inc. The Four Horsemen sounds decent, but the rest is pretty lame. Although, I do like the edit of Some Kind of Monster, the drum sound was slightly improved, and a lot of the beginning was chopped off (thankfully).

Fonz, I had no idea you liked Avenged Sevenfold. I personally can't stand the band, but it's cool if you like em, to each their own.

[Jack Bauer]

I don't know why people hates Load/Re-Load/St. Anger. I like them because they feature some of the best songs on them.

[Jigsaw]

I like quite a bit of material off of Load and Reload, but St. Anger to me is nothing but noise and screaming :X

[Jack Bauer]

Personally I always believed that their best album was Symphony and Metallica. I still get chills while listening to The Outlaw Torn for said album.

[kramerfan]

I only like up to And Justice For All.

[Jigsaw]

I was listening to Master Of Puppets when I worked out at the gym earlier today. Man, what a timeless album. I know this is a bold claim, but I think Disposable Heroes is not only Metallica's best song overall, but also the best heavy metal song of all-time. That song never fails to give me an adrenaline rush and enthrall me every time I listen to it.

[CanadianFonzie]

cool I'm not the only one who finds Disposable Heroes to be the best song off that album...of course you have higher regards for it than I do

[Jigsaw]

Another Disposable Heroes fan/lover/worshipper like me? :bang:

[God of Thunder]

I used to dig Disposable Heroes more than I do now. I still think it's a great song, but my favorite song off the album is Damage Inc.

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

Disposable Heroes Is such a flawless song. It's so ahead of its time that it still sounds progressive and new.

MOP is the one Metallica album I listen to the most, next to RTL.

[Jigsaw]

Disposable Heroes is so underrated and it's sad how it never quite got the reputation or legacy that many other songs did. But it seems to have a bit of a following, which is good. That one song along displays everything that's great about the old Metallica.

[CanadianFonzie]

you will do, what I say, when I say BACK TO THE FRONT

[God of Thunder]

I used to play the hell out of the opening. I loved the opening riffery.

[Jigsaw]

Everything about Disposable Heroes is incredible.

I was also listening to AJFA yesterday at the gym, it basically re-affirmed that it's not only my favorite Metallica album but also my favorite album ever, period. I love the incredibly raw and angry feeling the entire album bleeds from start to finish. And four songs from it (One, Blackened, The Frayed Ends Of Sanity and Dyers Eve) are all in my top ten favorite Metallica songs.

[God of Thunder]

Justice is a great album, and it has my favorite Metallica song (Blackened), but I dunno... I think my favorit eis either Master of Puppets or Ride the Lightning. THat one I cannot figure out.

[Jigsaw]

I was listening to The Black Album yesterday in the gym, another gem. For a long time it was my favorite Metallica album until MOP and AJFA eventually won me over, but it's still one of my favorites of their's. I think any charges of them selling out with the Black Album are shot down with a listen of Holier Than Thou, Through The Never and The Struggle Within, all three of which sound like they could've come straight from the MOP era.

[God of Thunder]

"Enter Sandman" was the first Metallica song I heard, and the Black album was my first album by them (although it took a while before I listened to it), and it musically sounds like a heavier album by some of my other favorite bands like KISS or Motley Crue.

[Jigsaw]

Enter Sandman was one of the very first songs I got into by them, along with some stuff from the RTL/MOP era. The first Metallica albums I got were KEA, RTL and MOP, and then The Black Album. I didn't get AJFA until a year later and had it burned onto a CD before I could buy it.

[Fan of Freddy]

Have they even set a release date for their album yet?

BTW, here is one of their new songs... Honestly, I don't like it that much :meh:
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I'd just like to point out that neither this nor the first new song they played back in 2006 will be on the new album. The band has since confirmed it several times.

I don't know, personally I liked that one. Very similar to the original stuff, I could easily picture that on Kill em All minus the "woah yeah" stuff. I hear a lot of Metallica fans saying that the song sounded to punkish for Metallica, but it seems many forget the fact that Metallica's very early music was inspired by punk bands of the time, like the Misfits and so on. So personally I see it as a good thing they put together a song in that kind of style, even if we'll only see it in this live form. It's a lot closer to their roots then St. Anger was supposedly going to be.

[CanadianFonzie]

I didn't mind that song...it probably would sound better in the studio but it wasn't that bad

[Jigsaw]

I think it's an alright song, but not one of their best IMO. Then again, I've long-accepted that Metallica will more than likely never be able to top themselves after MOP and AJFA. Heck, their first five albums as a whole will be difficult if not impossible to top.

[Rich]

I like quite a bit of material off of Load and Reload, but St. Anger to me is nothing but noise and screaming :X

I agree. I like everything Metallica ever did, but St. Anger. It sounded like an album full of demos. All the tracks sounded unfinnished. There were no solos and the lyrics were one sentence per song repeated over and over again. Now, if that were Disturbed, that would have been the best album Disturbed ever did, but I excpect more from Metallica. They are good muscicians and are capable of producing much better and more composed music. :p

[Jigsaw]

St. Anger has almost no actual music on it, it's just noise, noise and more noise with occasional weak screaming from James. The only song I even remotely like on St. Anger is Sweet Amber, mainly because it at least has a catchy riff.

Disturbed is awesome, and they sound nothing like St. Anger. Ten Thousand Fists at times is borderline Melodic and Thrash Metal.

[Geddy Peart]

Metallica used to be one of my favorite bands, but Some Kind Of Monster really changed that. Seeing three millionaires sitting around pissing and moaning about how hard they have it just about killed it. Then I read the companion book, This Monster Lives and that was the final nail in the coffin.

They've been on a downward slope for years and it's finally beginning to show. I think it's a combination of them becoming too big, losing that fire and surrounding themselves with yes mean.

In fact, this article pretty much sums up my feelings on present-day Metallica:

http://www.metalsludge.tv/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=543&Itemid=38

Though, I still sing along when their songs play on the radio and I do listen to the older albums from time to time. And I'm curious to hear the new album when it comes out, but my expectations are low. We'll see what Rick Rubin does with them.

[Jigsaw]

I haven't seen SKOM, but from the sound of it, Metallica has been on a bad downward slope for a long time already :(

[Geddy Peart]

I haven't seen SKOM, but from the sound of it, Metallica has been on a bad downward slope for a long time already :(

You have no idea. You should read the article I linked, it's very accurrate as to what happens in SKOM.

Lars acts like a turd who's more interested in buying art than making music.

James slams doors like a child when he loses an argument

Kirk sits at his million-dollar ranch crying about how people don't know what it like to be him.

While I'm curious to hear the new album, I'm very disinterested at the same time. I'll buy it if I like it, but I feel like I really don't care.

I almost wish they would break up, they haven't even sounded decent live since the early 90s.

[Jigsaw]

I read that article, sad to hear Metallica went down so badly :( It seemed that St. Anger marked the end for them and their career and creativity. Hopefully the new album will remedy that.

[Geddy Peart]

I seriously doubt it. From the sound of recent news, they're trying to recreate their original sound. I don't see it working because that sound orginated from an angry-youth perspective and a hunger for recognition.

Well, they've gotten more than their fair share of recognition and they're no longer angst-ridden youths.

[Jigsaw]

They really seem to have lost their passion and energy for playing. Just watch YouTube videos of their performances in recent years, it's a far cry from how they played back in the '80s and early '90s, even a far cry from the Load/ReLoad days.

[Slice]

http://www.missionmetallica.com/ They launched this site a few days ago which documents the making of the latest album. At the time of me typing there are three videos that can be viewed. In each video you can hear a few clips of songs and I must say it sounds really promising. Keep in mind what you are hearing are demos.

[Geddy Peart]

They really seem to have lost their passion and energy for playing. Just watch YouTube videos of their performances in recent years, it's a far cry from how they played back in the '80s and early '90s, even a far cry from the Load/ReLoad days.

I thought they sounded bad live even during the Load/Reload days.

No energy and James saying "Baby" every other word while singing with a drunken yoodle.

[Jigsaw]

I always thought James' frequent shouts of "baby!" and "huh!" were pretty annoying and dumb, and he still does it.

[Geddy Peart]

I think Jason had the right idea when he left.

[Jigsaw]

I think so, too. He left right when they started to really go down the tubes. Even with their flaws, I found Load and ReLoad to be tolerable (I actually like ReLoad a lot and find it damned underrated. I can listen to Prince Charming, Fuel, Devil's Dance, Fixxxer, Attitude, Low Man's Lyrics, The Memory Remains and The Unforgiven II forever and not get bored), but St. Anger has pretty much redeeming qualities or values at all, IMO.

[Geddy Peart]

Jason actually left because he thought bringing in a "Life Coach" to help the band sort out personal problems was B.S. He talks about it breifly on SKOM, calling it and I quote "Fucking lame."

As for Load/Reload. They're very good hard rock albums. Did you know that Reload was basically a bunch of left over songs from the Load session? That's why that album (Reload) has so many filler songs on it.

[Jigsaw]

I actually thought Load had a lot of filler stuff on it. I like some songs off of Load, like King Nothing, The House That Jack Built, Bleeding Me, Ain't My Bitch, Until It Sleeps, Hero Of The Day and Ronnie, but find a lot of it to be either filler or just plain boring. I liked ReLoad a lot better because it felt like the band had a lot more energy going into it and the songs were tighter. The first four and last four songs on ReLoad kick ass and rank among Metallica's best, IMO. Heck, I think Prince Charming is up there as one of their best songs, I can listen to that forever.

[Geddy Peart]

Each to their own, but I thought Reload had like 3-4 good songs and everything else was filler, IMO.

Overall, I feel the Load albums didn't have nearly as much energy as the original albums and was a step down musically speaking (considering how complex a lot of their older songs were).

[Jigsaw]

Both of the Loads were definitely a stepdown from the first five albums, but I felt Load moreso because IMO it had a lot of filler and some songs were plain boring. At times it felt like the band was trying to be different for the sake of being different on it.

[Geddy Peart]

Sometimes I still wonder if they were just trying to cash in on the grunge sound.

[Jigsaw]

I don't mind the attempt to try to branch out in different fields of music, but a lot of the stuff on Load felt like filler to me, or like it was different for the sake of being different.

[Geddy Peart]

I agree with that, and looking back I think it was the beginning of their downfall.

[Jigsaw]

I personally think the Napster debacle was what signaled the beginning of the end for Metallica, and when Jason Newsted left for the reasons he did, that drove it home.

[Geddy Peart]

I actually don't think they were completely in the wrong with their stance against Napster. However, I do think Lars running his big yapper and the way they chose to go about fight Napster certainly didn't help.

The original problem with Napster began when they were writing I Disappear for Mission Impossible 2. They had 5 different, and unfinished versions of the song. They were undecided which version to finish when they found out someone had hacked into the system and had stolen all 5 versions. All versions had shown up on Napster and one was even being played on a radio station.

That was their original issue with Napster: unfinished songs being leaked before they were finished. However, Lars just ran his mouth and having millions of your fans kicked off Napster was a poor way to go about taking a stand.

On the other hand, the band has always promoted sharing live performances over the internet.

[Jigsaw]

That was just it, Lars' unprofessional handling of the Napster situation. The band had every right to be pissed about I Disappear being leaked, but to go all-out and have Napster shut down and Lars to be acting like a baby over it was all uncalled for.

[God of Thunder]

St. Anger Review. Not for the easily offended.

Here's where I stand on Metallica at the moment. I personally could care less about the Napster thing, but that could be because I really don't care about the personal decisions most of the members of my favorite bands make. I personally don't download music, at least not anymore. It takes away the thrill of finding the album, and it destroys the overall hunt. I honestly can't stand much of Load or ReLoad. It was a decrease in heaviness, and it simply did not work. Just like Slayer making a nu-metal album with Diablous in Musica. Difference is, it didn't take years upon years for Slayer to realize their error. St. Anger only made things worse, even though "Frantic", "Sweet Amber" and "The Unnamed Feeling' are some of my absolute favorite Metallica tunes. Honestly, I feel that until you have listened to St. Anger full volume on headphones without stopping it midway like I did, you have no idea how bad it really is. It may sound fucking atrocious blasting out of speakers, but you have no idea how bad that garbage can lid is until it's blasting right into your head. Although, somebody on YouTube posted slideshows of a "remastered" St Anger, with the drums softer and the addition of solos, not played by Metallica. These versions are indeed a great deal better, but the production is simply not the issue. It's the fucking music. The song "St. Anger" started off with an absolutely bone crushing riff, and it started out as if Metallica had their heaviest song in years, then it suddenly becomes some sort of soft-sang ballad shit. That right there was enough to make me realize that severe suckdom was about to set in. "Some Kind of Monster" was a fairly decent song, although the keyboard solo at the beginning is quite annoying. The edit on the Some Kind of Monster EP is infinitely better. But as soon as "Dirty Window" began, that was just it. With the exceptions of the aforementioned "Feeling" and "Amber", what followed was Metallica's worst songs of all fucking time (with the exception of "Fuel." Sorry, I can't stand that song.) "Invisible Kid" is just fuckin' awful. This term is probably going to describe the other songs on the album. "My World" was particularly annoying as well ("NOT only do I NOT know THE answer, IIII DOON'T EVEN KNOW WHAAT THEE QUESTION IS!!!!!!!!) That fucking screaming. James should have known better. "Shoot Me Again" ranks among their cheesiest fucking songs ever. "Sweet Amber" is the ONLY flawless track on the album, although a solo would have been nice. A lot of Black Stone Cherry's songs sound like Sweet Amber. "Unnamed Feeling" is a very powerful song, a really haunting ballad like "One" and "Welcome Home (Sanitarium)", although it does have an extremely annoying vocal in the middle ("Get the FUCK out of here, II just wanna GET the FUCK out away from me. I cannot sleep with a HEAD so tight, I WANNA scream, I WANNA cry, I rage, I HUUUUURT, I hate, I wanna HATE IT ALL AWAAAAAYEEE!!!!). That vocal bridge is a cancer in the song, and if it were extracted and had a solo in it's place, the song would be perfect. "Purify"(spelled "Pure if I" in the lyrics, how fucking clever) and "All Within My Hands" (kill, kill kill kill KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL! KIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILLLLL!!!!) are THE worst Metallica songs ever. They never end, your brain just has enough of them and they SEEM to end, they fade away and everything. This illusion is simply the result of part of your soul dying from the trauma you just went to, rest assured. That said, St. Anger could have the greatest production ever, and it would still fucking blow ass. The songs are just un-fucking-believable for a band that wrote such classic albums, and clearly have the talent left in them. The lyrics are cheesy enough to resemble Poison attempting to thrash (but let's not jinx such a shotgun blast to the intelligence), the screams simply do not fit James' voice. James is known for being a pissed off guy with a roaring voice, not some lameass teenage angst singer. The garage sound is also quite unwelcome. This is a studio album, and it sounds (and even the greatest and cleanest production skills could not have fixed this) like an extremely cheap demo. It also does not for one minute sound the least bit honest. When Avril Lavigne's craptacular version of "Fuel" (a truly heinous version of a song I already fucking hate) is preferable to an album by Metallica, something has fucked up. I really fail to see what they are thinking. The songs sound like they were just kind of fucking around, and James sang the first rhyming words that came to his mind. I could rant on and on about the several things wrong with this demo that was passed off as an album, but my general point is that St. Anger simply fucking blows. And I have full faith that this LOAD of bullshit and the 2 LOADS (pun intended) that preceded it were the result of letting Bob Rock fuck around with Metallica, and now that he's gone (ad let's all thank the Gods that Motley Crue decided to shitcan him as well) let's hope that we see the return of the thrash masters that are Metallica. Til then, fuck St. Anger, St. Anger fucking sucks. And it has a stupid fucking cover too.


that aside, the Mission Metallica stuff does look fairly promising. The vocals seem to be back, and the guitar riffs sound cool. I'm a bit worried that there was no footage of Lars playing double bass, but I've got faith that it will be good. Either way, it's their last chance. Let's hope that they've corrected their atrocities of the past.

[Jigsaw]

That review is very accurate with my feelings towards St. Anger.

[Geddy Peart]

that aside, the Mission Metallica stuff does look fairly promising. The vocals seem to be back, and the guitar riffs sound cool. I'm a bit worried that there was no footage of Lars playing double bass, but I've got faith that it will be good. Either way, it's their last chance. Let's hope that they've corrected their atrocities of the past.

I remember when they were recording St. Anger and were posting clips online. I thought those sounded good too. Boy, how wrong I was.

Time will tell with this one. And honestly, I'm probably going to pick it up as soon as it comes out, but my expectations are still low.

[Jigsaw]

I'm trying not to get my expectations too high for the new album. My expectations for St. Anger weren't even high and yet that still crushed me.

[God of Thunder]

Thankfully, I was not a huge fan of Metallica when St. Anger came out. I didn't even hear until 2 years after it was released (back in 2003 I only listened to AC/DC, and the only album I had was Blow Up Your Video. It has since become my favorite album by them), and I had been told how horrible it was. I tried to listen to it with a bit of an open mind, but it still fucking sucked. I'm not gonna say it's as bad as Peter Criss' last solo album, or that rap album Randy Savage made (don't worry, I don't listen to rap, and I didn't buy that. I just heard some of the songs through I-Mockery, it was hilarious), but it is easily the worst album by one of my top 10 favorite bands. But, my expectations are still kind of high for this next one. The words "Rick Rubin" and "Metallica" just sound too promising for failure.

[Jigsaw]

Hasn't Metallica removed just about every St. Anger track from their set lists for their recent performances?

[God of Thunder]

Pretty much, and very wisely. I highly doubt they even like that album, and they know that we Metallica fans don't. Or who knows, maybe the ghost of Cliff Burton came to their rehearsal rooms one night, spooked the shit out of them, and said "This is bullshit guys! You're embarrassing the fuck out of me! Stop this shit, or terrible things will happen!" Ya just never know.

[Jigsaw]

The only song on St. Anger I remotely like is Sweet Amber, everything else is fucking terrible. All Within My Hands is probably their worst song by a long shot, IMO.

[God of Thunder]

While I'll definitely agree about "All Within My Hands", I do love "Frantic" and "Unnamed Feeling." And I guess the opening of "St. Anger". And I suppose "Some Kind of Monster isn't too bad either once the song actually starts. But yeah, the rest is almost overwhelming. If there's going to be a 75 minute Metallica album, it should not be anything like St. Anger.

[Jigsaw]

The title track on St. Anger would be decent with a shortened length, actual musical melody, less nu-metalish lyrics and the garbage can drums completely re-recorded from scratch with actual drums.

[God of Thunder]

the song "St. Anger" would have been great had they kept with the opening, and not pussied it up by turning it into a ballad. The opening riff, regardless of the drums, is great. But then they just bring things to a complete halt and turn into a nu0metal ballad. Lame.

[Jigsaw]

I remember very well the overwhelmingly negative reception St. Anger got when it was first released. It was totally deserved, a band as talented as Metallica putting out something so shitty.

[God of Thunder]

I'll agree. I seriously believe that Bob was the main man behind all of the bullshit Metallica went through, he fucked up the sounds of other bands he produced as well. I guess all we can do is hope for the best.

[Jigsaw]

A shame, because Bob Rock did some great work on the Black Album and even both Loads. I guess he lost his touch. Either way, good riddance to him and hopefully Rick Rubin can bring them back to their roots.

[Sean [The Wildcard]]

Has anyone else seen this. Kind of funny...:

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[bearholic247]

Hasn't Metallica removed just about every St. Anger track from their set lists for their recent performances?


I saw Metallica a couple times during their Madly in Anger with the World Tour in fall of 2004. Even then they played at most 2 songs from St. Anger. So it wouldn't surprise me at all if they didn't play anything off St. Anger now.

[Jigsaw]

It wouldn't surprise me, either. They should just nuke St. Anger from all of their future set lists, the less said about that album, the better.

[Lance Lives]

Come on now, Randy Savage's rap album kicks ass.

[God of Thunder]

Come on now, Randy Savage's rap album kicks ass.

So you heard it too? Well yeah, it may very well be the finest comedy album ever released.

[Jigsaw]

I listened to AJFA working out today, still my favorite Metal record of all-time. I don't think Metallica will ever top AJFA in terms of songwriting, maturity, complexity and technicality.

[God of Thunder]

Justice is really good, but I don't think it compares to Lightning or Puppets. or, it could be that I heard those 2 albums first, who knows. I'm still clueless as to whether Lightning or Puppets is better. Anyone else dig the song "Escape"? I've always thought that was one of their more underrated tracks.

[Jigsaw]

I like Escape as well and find it underrated.

[God of Thunder]

I always thought "Escape" sounded like a heavier KISS song, which may be why I love it so much. It's honestly my 3rd or 4th favorite from Lightning. And it has a general "Fuck you!" message to it, and those songs usually do kick ass. The riff is pretty sweet, and the vocals are great too. BTW, does anyone know whether or not Ride the Lightning and Kill Em All went Gold? And also, has anyone realized that except vocals, Lighting and Slayer's Show No Mercy are EXTREMELY similar in sound?

[Fan of Freddy]

With regard to the new album I have high hopes especially after hearing the Mission Metallica stuff so far.

With regard to St. Anger, I personally feel that it does not deserve all the bashing it gets.

Knowing how the band was at the time, St. Anger in it's finished form was all they could really do. And the band has even admitted it themselves. After all the therapy and rehab and so on, suddenly it was from one extreme to the other, from always arguing to and about each other and the music, to all this "getting in touch with your feelings" stuff and trying to support every idea weather they thought it was bad or good. And when you mix that with the fact that these guys were struggling already to do something even remotely close to their roots, it's not going to come up good. When you're in an extreme like that it's probably hard to focus on coming up with good solid material, like many fans were expecting.

I'll go as far as to say that every fan who had such high expectations around the album deserved to be disappointed. They set themselves up for it. Metallica could not, at the time, make the stellar album everyone wanted and I think that's clear after watching SKOM. So I think the bashing of St. Anger is not really warrented, especially not how some people choose to go about it. Hell, all the bashing has set off a chain reaction among a lot of fans, which has played a huge part in why the album seems to do so poorly. A good percentage of the fanbase, of ANY fanbase, is comprised of sheep. People who will follow whatever the general opinion is or whatever seems most popular. Because a lot of fans bashed St. Anger so openly when it came out, a lot of fans followed blindly without even having a real opinion on which to base their argument. Bashing St. Anger has become "trendy" in the music community and again I say it's not warranted.

I say, watch SKOM, pay attention to it, then go listen to St. Anger all the way through. You might have a change of opinion on it. At least I did. If you know the reasons why it turned out how it did, I don't feel you should have a reason to bash.

[Jigsaw]

Even with the personal problems the band had during the making of St. Anger, they should've just given it time to make another album when they were ready instead of making it in the state they were in. It's like a marathon runner who's broken both of his legs but he still insists on running, but he obviously can't.

[Fan of Freddy]

Even with the personal problems the band had during the making of St. Anger, they should've just given it time to make another album when they were ready instead of making it in the state they were in. It's like a marathon runner who's broken both of his legs but he still insists on running, but he obviously can't.

Well yeah, but the question is, do you openly bas the guy for wanting to run, even in that state? Do you bring him down because he just wants to get it over with?

That's the point I'm trying to make with regard to St. Anger. The band were in a horrible state but they started it and had to finish it and get it out, so they did. Is it really necessary for the fanbase to bash them when the circumstances behind why the record ended up that way are out in the open? That's all I'm saying.

[Jigsaw]

Even with those circumstances into consideration, it doesn't change the album or make it better. I'm sorry about the problems the band was going through at the time, but it doesn't change the fact that St. Anger was a terrible album and a big stepdown from a normally great band.

[Rich]

I agree with Jigsaw. St. Anger was a piece of crap despite the state of the band at the time. I felt bad as hell for them that they were going through what they were going through, but that does not change St. Anger being horrible. That is what it was to me...just horrible. If it were Staind making that album, it would have been their best...but Metallica is capable of writing much better material then St. Anger. I think their new album will be better then that just based on new song 1 and new song 2 and those are so old, they might not even be on the new album anymore. Those are from 2006 themselves and the new album comes out this November.

I find it funny how Lars cracks on it now, despite the fact that they still play St. Anger material live.

[Jigsaw]

St. Anger is a terrible album even by the standard of shitty bands like Limp Bizkit, IMO.

[AOD]

Fav Metallica songs......pretty much all the songs from the 1st few albums and then a few here and there.


Enter Sandman.............IMO The Black Album is the last great Metallica Album
Sad But True
Holier Than Thou
The Unforgiven
Wherever I May Roam
Don't Tread On Me
Through The Never
Nothing Else Matters
Of Wolf And Man
The God That Failed
My Friend Of Misery
The Struggle Within
Battery
Master Of Puppets
The Thing That Should Not Be
Welcome Home (Sanitarium).................My favorite Metallica song
Disposable Heroes
Leper Messiah
Orion (Instrumental)
Damage, Inc.
Blackened
...And Justice For All
Eye Of The Beholder
One
The Shortest Straw
Harvester Of Sorrow
The Frayed Ends Of Sanity
To Live Is To Die
Dyers Eve
Fight Fire With Fire
Ride The Lightning
For Whom The Bell Tolls
Fade To Black
Trapped Under Ice
Escape
Creeping Death
The Call Of Ktulu
Hit The Lights
The Four Horsemen.................My 2nd Fav Metallica song
Motorbreath
Jump In The Fire
(Anesthesia) - Pulling Teeth
Whiplash
Phantom Lord
No Remorse
Seek And Destroy
Metal Militia
Fuel
The Memory Remains
Devil's Dance
The Unforgiven II
Ain't My Bitch
Until It Sleeps
King Nothing
Hero Of The Day
Bleeding Me
Thorn Within
Frantic
St. Anger
Some Kind Of Monster

[Jigsaw]

Enter Sandman.............IMO The Black Album is the last great Metallica Album


I agree. It's my third favorite album after AJFA and MOP. Although I also like ReLoad a lot and find it very underrated and underappreciated.

[CanadianFonzie]

I finally bought Metallica today, found it for $11.71 at Wal-Mart and I had to get it, I'm currently on Nothing Else Matters and I'm really liking this album, surely better than ...And Justice For All, but not better than any of it's other procedors, the only song off it so far that I don't care for is Wherever I May Roam, but I still have 4 songs left, one of which is an almost 7 miute one...so we'll see what happens, lol

[Jigsaw]

AJFA will always be Metallica's crowning achievement IMO, but I also love The Black Album, which as I've said before, is my third favorite after AJFA and MOP. The Struggle Within, Enter Sandman, Nothing Else Matters, Of Wolf And Man, Through The Never, Holier Than Thou, The God That Failed, Sad But True, etc. all gems IMO.

[CanadianFonzie]

I've really taken a fancy for The Unforgiven and Don't Tread On Me

[Jigsaw]

I like the riff to Don't Tread On Me, but lyrically I find it so cheesy. It's not the patriotic message itself, it's just the way it's written in the song IMO.

[God of Thunder]

Until it Sleeps is probably my favorite song off of Load. That song kicked ass, it's one of the last songs where James sounded like James, to me. I always wished they had recorded that song for a Nightmare on Elm St. movie or something. It might sound stupid, but I think Until it Sleeps sounds more like a Freddy song than Enter Sandman, the lyrics sound like they describe him, for some reason. I hope he can recapture that vocal sound for the next one. He's always been one of my favorite, if not my favorite, vocalists.

[Jigsaw]

I actually used Until It Sleeps for my NOES video.


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It's not one of my favorite Metallica songs, but I feel it goes very well with the first NOES, which is why I used it. I also made videos for NOES2 and NOES3, using The Struggle Within and Master Of Puppets.

[God of Thunder]

Heh, what a coincidince. I dunno, I guess Load isn't that bad, relistening to it. ReLoad is, for sure, but that's just my opinion. I thought the ReLoad sounded a lot different than Load did, although some would disagree to that. "Until it Sleeps" I do like a lot, James' vocals in that song and the lyrics are pretty haunting to me. That video is cool by the way man.

[Jigsaw]

I think UIS is a decent track. Other tracks off of Load I like are King Nothing (my favorite), The House Jack Built, Ain't My Bitch, Bleeding Me, Ronnie and Hero Of The Day. I don't care for the rest of the album, it's too boring to me. I like ReLoad a lot and think it's underrated. Prince Charming is a kick-ass song.

[God of Thunder]

I never really liked Hero of the Day for some reason. I need to get a copy of the album (I've only heard it, I don't own it), seeing as I bought St. Anger.

[Jigsaw]

Live Shit is the only Metallica album I don't own, but I'm making it my obligation to buy it either for my birthday or this Summer.

[The Dream Master]

"Hero of the Day" is about the only Metallica song I can stomach anymore, mainly because it doesn't sound like anything else they did. :X

[God of Thunder]

Ever speed up Fuel by a quater times faster? It actually sounds like classic Metallica! I've done that with my copy of Metallica: The Videos and my DVD player. The results were great.

Speaking of Prince Charming, does the chorus sound like the Four Horseman chrous to you?

[Jigsaw]

The Prince Charming chorus does sound sort of like the one for The Four Horsemen, now that you mention it.

[God of Thunder]

Yeah I just noticed it about 30 seconds ago myself, ha ha. I think I would have liked Load and ReLoad a lot more had the double bass been present. There are parts in some of those songs that really scream for fast drumming, or at least quick double bass.

[Jigsaw]

People can bash Load and ReLoad all they want, but one thing I think is for sure is that James' vocals on both of those albums were some of his best performances ever. He sung with much passion and intensity on both Loads.

[God of Thunder]

Well, I did like his vocals on Load. I thought something was missing on ReLoad. I think his best vocals are on the Black album and Justice. And in case anyone is interested, I actually managed to sound like him from those albums for about a minute, then it turned into stale screaming. Then I realized, it must be art imitating James' life for me, only the years were seconds. *cough*anotherSt.Angerjoke*cough*

[Jigsaw]

I think James sounds his best on The Black Album, AJFA and ReLoad. I think TBA was his best performance overall.

[God of Thunder]

hmm... his best vocals are on to be announced??? Better not let Lars find out!


:D:D:D LOL j/k

I dunno. I guess maybe ReLoad will grow on me. I do like the sped up version of Fuel quite a lot. And I guess the slow one is ok. I think the person that really got to shine on those albums were Jason and Kirk. Kirk had some cool ass solos on the albums.

[Jigsaw]

I don't think I've ever heard the sped-up version of Fuel.

[God of Thunder]

well if you have a DVD playe rthat plays the audio during fast forward (a quater times the speed) and a copy of Metallica: The Videos, just pop it in, pick "Fuel" and fast forward. It actually sounds like something that could be on a finished album to me.

[Jigsaw]

I don't own any Metallica DVDs yet except for the St. Anger making-of that came with the album. I want to get them all, though.

[God of Thunder]

I just have The Videos, I got it as a Christmas present. It was something that helped re-spark my interest in them.

[Jigsaw]

I was sort of burned out on Metallica after literally listening to them non-stop for a long time, but lately I'm getting into them again. Still a great band and one of the greatest ever, no matter direction they've taken or what hardships they've gone through.

[God of Thunder]

Same with me and KISS. And check this out. This wasn't done by Metallica, but it's still pretty sweet.

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[Rich]

I agree. It's my third favorite album after AJFA and MOP. Although I also like ReLoad a lot and find it very underrated and underappreciated.

I think the Load albums are underrated myself. Sure they are different then the 80s music, but they are very good albums. St. Anger is the only thing by them I don't like.

ReLoad is a great album.

[Jigsaw]

St. Anger is the only Metallica album I hate, but everything else they've done I pretty much enjoy.

[Lance Lives]

I like Reload better than Load by far. It seems to me that they were trying to go in the Corrosion of Conformity vain on those albums, and failing I might add. Anybody else kinda see that?

[Jigsaw]

With the Loads it seemed they were trying to branch out with their sound, but IMO they did it much better with ReLoad. Load has too much filler on it for me and is too boring in parts. ReLoad has a lot more energy and more enjoyable and engaging tunes for me.

[God of Thunder]

There's some of Re-Load I like.... but I really can not stand "The Unforgiven II" or "The Memory Remains."

[Jigsaw]

I don't care for the middle of ReLoad (Better Than You, Slither, Carpe Diem Baby, Bad Seed and Where The Wild Things Are), but the rest of the album is solid. Fuel, The Memory Remains, Devil's Dance, The Unforgiven II, Prince Charming, Low Man's Lyric, Attitude and Fixxxer are also great tunes, and Prince Charming is one of my favorite Metallica songs. That song makes me feel like I'm made of steel every time I listen to it.

[God of Thunder]

I like Fuel, Prince Charming, Devil's Dance, Fixxxer, and that stuff, but the rest, including Unforgiven II, just seems like counter-Metallica to me. Only my opinion though. I don't view Load very highly either, but I like it better because I thought James sounded better (although, Mama Said is one of their worst songs/videos ever).

[Jigsaw]

I like Mama Said minus the country parts in it. I've read that there's a version of it without the country music in it, and I'd be very interested in hearing it.

[God of Thunder]

Well that's the thing... Metallica country is just.... it's just "the thing that should not be." I think Load would have gotten much better reviews if it were 79 minutes, same with Reload and St. Anger. The last 3 studio albums have been WAY too long, and have consisted of mostly filler.

[Jigsaw]

Load had too much filler on it, IMO, which is why I don't enjoy it that much. The middle of ReLoad with the songs I mentioned is filler, but the first four and last four songs are great and make up for the middle (interestingly, those eight songs also comprise the same number of songs as both RTL and MOP). St. Anger as I've said many times before is the only album of their's I outright hate. I think if you excise the middle five songs of ReLoad, you have a Hell of a Hard Rock/Alt Metal Metallica album that might not be Thrash Metal but is still kick-ass Metallica music.


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Such an underrated song, IMO it's up there with Disposable Heroes, The Struggle Within, Dyers Eve and No Remorse as one of their most underrated tracks.

[God of Thunder]

Exactly. Metallica should go back to making 8 song albums. Those were always better. One of my favorite Metallica songs is "Damage Inc." Nobody ever talks about that one.

[Jigsaw]

Damage, Inc. is actually my least favorite track off of MOP, but still a good song. I guess the rest of the album overshadows it for me, which is understandable, given that it has gem after gem on it.

[God of Thunder]

My least favorite is Orion. Never was a huge fan of that instrumental for some reason. I guess my other least favorite was Leper Messiah.

[Jigsaw]

I dig both of those tracks, but IMO Disposable Heroes is Metallica's greatest song ever and the best heavy metal song ever.

[God of Thunder]

I don't know about best metal song ever, but I dunno... I think Battery and Damage Inc are better than Disposable Heroes.

[Jigsaw]

Battery is my second favorite song off of MOP and my second favorite Metallica song ever. That songs make me want to get into a brawl every time I listen to it, one of my favorite songs to vent to when I'm pissed.

[God of Thunder]

Yeah, I was about to say the same thing, although Cannibal Corpse is good venting music too.

[Jigsaw]

Speaking of which...


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Kick-ass cover, IMO better than the original. And yes, CC is also great music to vent to when you're pissed and on the verge of destroying something.

[God of Thunder]

Great cover... someone also made a video edit of that, I think a lot of it was concert footage and the Sentenced to Burn video, and some other video (forgot which). Either way, yeah, Cannibal's version of No Remorse is pretty amazing, I'd love to hear what Chris could have done with a Metallica song... that'd be a great idea if Six Feet Under ever did another Graveyard Classics album.

[Jigsaw]

If I had to pick a Metallica album for SFU to cover, I'm unsure which it'd be, but I'm thinking it'd be a toss-up with either RTL, MOP, AJFA or TBA, maybe even KEA.

Chimaira also did a great cover of Disposable Heroes. Chimaira kicks ass.


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[Rich]

If you go to Metallica's official website they have this new thing called Mission Metallica where you can hear some parts of new songs. All I can say is that the travesty that was St. Anger is in the past and Rick Ruben has seemed to beat the metal back into them! This is the most powerful music I have herd from Metallica in many years. With Ruben and the band, the new album should be a good one. I for one can't wait!

[Jigsaw]

I heard some of the stuff on MM and it sounds like they're going in the right direction with the new album. Sounds like a combination of AJFA, Black and ReLoad. And watching the preview on the MM site, the band even seems like they're enjoying themselves making the album and not fighting like they were with St. Anger.

[God of Thunder]

Yeah, I truly do think the new album is going to kick ass. I just know it will. Everyone else's has.

[Jigsaw]

I don't know if it'll top their first five albums, I personally don't think it will, but at the very least, it'll definitely be a major step-up from St. Anger.

[CanadianFonzie]

listening to the self titled album a second time I realize that Kirk should be confiscated of his wah pedal...there is one thing I for sure don't like about that album and it is the excessive use of his not so good sounding wah pedal which is used in practically every song, just terribly terribly over used, this may be Metallica's last good album to date, but Kirk's last good album was ...And Justice For All

I also realize the significance of using the West Side Story song "America" as a guitar riff in the first 20 seconds of "Don't Tread On Me"...I figured it out all by myself, I feel so proud, lol

[God of Thunder]

I thought Kirk was great on the self titled album. I also like dhim on the 2 Load albums. He and James were clearly the best things about them.

[CanadianFonzie]

the only thing that stops the self titled album from being my third favoruite Metallica album (comparing it to Master of Puppets) is the lack of Cliff and the over-used wah, had Cliff been alive past Master of Puppets, I would not only prefer Metallica over Megadeth, but I would prefer them over alot more other bands as well

[God of Thunder]

I think Jason was pretty good, I don't think he was able to showcase his talent on Justice because of the production, and the band turning down his bass. I will admit that is an annoyance. But I thought he played well on Metallica, and it's too bad he had to enter the band when he did. But yeah, Cliff is better. Much better.

[CanadianFonzie]

there was no bass on Justice, lol, and Jason is just your basic bass player, while Cliff was a one in 3 million bass player

[Utellme]

Everything after Justice is a waste of time.

[Jigsaw]

I think Jason was pretty good, I don't think he was able to showcase his talent on Justice because of the production, and the band turning down his bass. I will admit that is an annoyance. But I thought he played well on Metallica, and it's too bad he had to enter the band when he did. But yeah, Cliff is better. Much better.


I've read that the bass on AJFA was deliberately turned down by the band as a means of hazing Jason, which sucks. Still, it's a great album and my favorite by the band. I think it was on TBA that Jason's bass talents started to shine, though. He's no Cliff Burton, but he's definitely got talent.

[God of Thunder]

there was no bass on Justice, lol,

yes there was. in fact, if you listen very closely you can hear it, the band just turned it down to be assholes.

[Jigsaw]

From what I've read, the band really tormented Jason. They made him pay all the tabs for their beers, they deliberately turned down the bass on AJFA, rumors were spread about him, etc. they weren't very kind to him to say the least.

[CanadianFonzie]

yah I know about that, I do feel sorry about that cause etallica, from what I've read, can really be assholes, and Jason took it, which is cool...but I will always wish Cliff never died

[Jigsaw]

I wish Cliff never died, either. It's so sad reading and hearing about the details about the bus crash that killed :(

[CanadianFonzie]

I wasn't even a fan of them back then and I was still sad, I just wish I took that more to the heart, because I kind of just waved it off, where as now I regret that moment

[God of Thunder]

They also used to shit on him at autograph sessions. He'd always sign his name and put "Bassface", and one of them would cross out the B when it go to them. Yeah, definitely assholes to Jason.

[CanadianFonzie]

but that is funny...though mean

by the way

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=98233

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[Jigsaw]

That really is a big asshole move on their part, how did Jason put up with that for so long? I would've told them to fuck off and move onto another band if they were like that with me.

[God of Thunder]

Agreed Grave. About the vehicular destruction... Twisted Metallica? I'd be all for that shit! I personally think Guitar Hero has grown a bit too popular... I think it's cool if you play it and like it(I like the GH games and I play bass), but those who play it and act like they're musicians for it really need to fuck off. I think a lot of people don't realize it's just a game... but it still sound skind of cool

[Jigsaw]

I've never played any of the Guitar Hero games, I'm not nearly as avid a gamer as I once was.

[CanadianFonzie]

I'd rather play Guitar Hero Metallica over Aerosmith, even though I'm still getting the Aerosmith

[t man]

So I finally picked up AJFA today... I've been kinda lazy about getting it. Glad I did, I'm really liking it so far. I already love Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets, so I'd figured AJFA would be good. I'll probably get The Black Album soon, too. My brother had it and he said he loved it.

And I nearly wet myself when I heard Guitar Hero: Metallica was being made.:p

[Jigsaw]

AJFA is my favorite Metallica album and The Black Album is also great. You can't go wrong with Metallica's first five albums.

[SoulOnFire]

How about some good sounding news on the new album? Got this from Blabbermouth.

UK's Rock Sound and Metal Hammer magazines have posted separate reports on the listening session for the new METALLICA album, which took place earlier today (Wednesday, June 4) in London.

Rock Sound writes: "On first impressions and just one listen, Rock Sound can confirm that the songs we've heard sound very much like classic METALLICA in vibe, harking back to the days of 'Master Of Puppets', '…And Justice For All' (but with bass) and the [self-titled 'black'] album — without sounding dated or tired.

"Of the six tracks Rock Sound heard this afternoon, only one had a working title — 'Flamingo'. With a slow intro, the song was reminiscent of 'Battery' in vibe, with two guitar solos and an undercurrent of melody and groove.

"The first single is an epic power rocker in the vein of 'The Unforgiven', 'Nothing Else Matters' and 'Sanitarium', with a mid-tempo, head-banging section and some THIN LIZZY-esque twin guitar riffage.

"Another song features the lyrics, 'Into abyss, you don't exist, you can't resist the Judas kiss'; another features an almost RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE-esque drum 'n' bass undercurrent and lyrics about 'suicide' and 'cyanide'; while the final song we heard, dubbed 'The Song', clocks in at under five minutes and is a galloping thrash attack with quirks, and a sniff of TESTAMENT about it!

"We suspect other song titles could include 'Die Hard', 'Show Your Scars', and 'My Apocalypse' — but we cannot be held responsible if none of these titles or lyrics are accurate!

"Thankfully — there are plenty of Kirk Hammett traditional guitar solos and a decent drum sound. Hetfield's voice sounds in fine form too. All of the songs have many different parts to them, giving the impression that the quartet is revisiting the epic vibe of the band's 'classic' period."

Metal Hammer reports: "What do the songs sound like? Track one, which is only known by the cryptic working title 'Flamingo', opens up on thunderous rolling drums as lead guitar meets them head on, a flaring up in stop-start motion before it pulls itself together in rushes forward in classic thrash style, all crunching 'Fight Fire With Fire' riffs and drilling beats. It takes at least two minutes for James Hetfield's vocals to come in, and while they sound furious, this isn't the grittiest he's ever sounded, more open in tone, but while there's still a memorable vocal line for the 'chorus,' and there is so much going on in the song, and so many ideas thrown in and discarded for the next one that it's hard on first listen to pick out one riff that you're going to remember it by. But with galloping riffs and the return of guitar breaks rising up from out of the grooves you can hear the true METALLICA spirit, even though its as if reflected in mirrored mosaic.

"Track two is at heart an anthemic ballad that recalls 'Fight Fire With Fire' and 'Nothing Else Matters', with a chiming guitar intro, airy vocals and some slightly convoluted, progressive-style bridges that mutate into urgent riffing, more galloping riffs and guitar solos. Again, the song has a number of different sections, but it still sounds massive.

"Track three kicks off on a stop-start riff flecked with Eastern touches, as other bustling guitar lines play off each other and Hetfield's vocals retain the power of old, like some monolithic prophet overlooking events as mid-paced, chugging riffs come in, sounding like an army on the march, methodically shooting anyone in their path.

"Track four is reminiscent of 'Master Of Puppets' with more than a touch of heads-down SLAYER pacing thrown in. After an artillery-lobbing drum-led intro, it quickly sets off on marching, thrash mode, Hetfield's spat vocals taking melodic digressions, as he roars 'Bow down, surrender unto me.' The song's groove carries you along as it opens up into guitar atomospherics that bring LED ZEP to mind. It isn't quite the kind of irresistible monster they've created before, but METALLICA still prove they can still sound lean and epic at the same time, and when the track drops out into the grove mid-way though, you can imagine the chants coming from the crowds live.

"Track five has another strong opening, with an uncharacteristic bouncing groove not a million miles away from RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE making appearances throughout setting off sharp riffs that come up against an irregular barrage of percussion that sets it off briefly on a more melodic path and builds up once again into a thrilling riff-fest mayhem.

"Track six is the 'song', considerably shorter than the others, but full of clinically sharp riffing, more SLAYER-esque parts and galloping grooves, all hustle and bustle with a tinge of Eastern melody thrown in once more.

"Initial impressions is that this is an album that's going to get our blood chugging, but whether it's all we hoped for is going to take more plays to answer. Ultimately we're hugely relieved and pretty damn thrilled, and we can't fucking wait to hear the rest."

[Jigsaw]

Sounds great. As long as the album is anything like the first five I'll be very content and happy.

[CanadianFonzie]

I read that entire review prevously today, but I'll believe it when I hear it because the only opinion that matters is my own

[Geddy Peart]

Meh. I remember these magazines having listening session for "St.Anger" and then writing how great the songs were.

[God of Thunder]

Sounds good, can't wait. I just wish they would hurry up and release the first single!