Friday the 13th, part 2

[BlakeTyner]

C'mon, you know you want to talk about hermit Jason! Do it here.

~BT

[driftingsun]

Okay, if you insist. Just wanted to say that I admired Jason's building skills in this one. That was some shack he cobbled together, not bad for a brain-damaged wild-man. Jason's shack was one of the key elements of part II that made it such a classic sequel. There's nothing creepier than wandering through some spooky section of woods and stumbling into some ramshackle structure like that. Then you know it's time to get the f@#k out of there, because you probably wouldn't want to meet whoever built and/or lives in something like that.

[Deathscythe]

I still want to know what happeend to Paul. :(

[driftingsun]

I still want to know what happeend to Paul. :(


Wheatjedi, would you like to handle this one?

[Deathscythe]

Wheatjedi, would you like to handle this one?

Wait, let me guess, Muffin?:D

[driftingsun]

I dare not say that hallowed name, for it might come for me!

[Nancy Thompson]

Part 2 is not my all time fav but it is good. way better then part 3. I always wonder what really happen to Paul and also i wonder what happen to Muffin too lol

[Rich]

I still believe this:

Jason did jump through the window and attacked Ginny. Paul tried to fight Jason, but Jason was able to pull the machete out of himself in the scuffle and stab Paul and drag him into the woods. Ginny was left for dead. Wheatjedi's Muffin ran into the woods and eventually became Jason's BBQ. :lmao:

Sorry Wheat. I wonder if Jason actually can cook. Well, if he died at 11 he should know how to start and contain a fire. It is a basic survival skill. Especially if Pam was a cook and he was a camper, he should definitely be able to.

As far as my opinion on Friday the 13th Part 2, it is the very best in the series, along with the first one. I see the first two movies as two halves of one whole story.

[SmiTheReeNs*]

Being the big Jason fan that i am i should get the boxset but when Jason went thru the window did he still have the machete stuck in his shoulder? cuz if he did i believe thats just a dream cuz in the beginning of part 3 u seem him take out the machete himself back in the shrine

[James M]

The changes between Part 2's ending and how Part 3 recaps it was a retcon. Steve Miner just decided to change it.

As for Paul, I think both Crystal Lake Memories and Making Friday the 13th both reveal he was pretty much supposed to be dead.

[Rich]

Jason still did have the machete on him when he busted through the window. James is right though. Paul was meant to be dead, but then when Part 3 came out Steve made changes. Basically it leaves it up to fans what they want to consider canon. Personally for the story, I consider the first two as canon and just ignore the Part 3 beginning.

[Wheatjedi]

I still want to know what happeend to Paul. :(

Muffin ate Paul. She served as a distraction for Jason to be able to jump through the window and grab Ginny. While JV was pulling her out of the cabin, Muffin pounced on Paul and tore him to pieces. :)

[Deathscythe]

Muffin ate Paul. She served as a distraction for Jason to be able to jump through the window and grab Ginny. While JV was pulling her out of the cabin, Muffin pounced on Paul and tore him to pieces. :)

You know what I just realized? Maybe Muffin fought Jason as well, which is how Jason lost the sack. And when Jason jumped through the window and grabbed Ginny he ran away because he saw Muffin.

It all makes sense now.:cool:

[Rich]

Paul pulled the sack off of Jason before he and Ginny left the shack.

[Deathscythe]

Wow, I just rewatched. Your right, my bad.

What I never understood is why Jason never went back to his mother after drowining. I guess he could never find her.

[sCabbOy]

Steve made changes- the window scene never happened and THAT explains everything.

[Jigsaw]

My third favorite F13 movie, and IMO the scariest of the series by far.

[sCabbOy]

I think the atmosphere was easily the best. Especially after darkness falls.

[Jigsaw]

I think the setting and location was the best of the series too. The forest looked peaceful but also had that eerie and forboding quality to it.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

I like BOTH Part 1 and Part 2's locations. They both had a creepy vibe.

As for Paul, I always liked to believe that he was being questioned by the Police at the end. When Ginny called out to him, he just didn't hear her.

[CanadianFonzie]

the only FT13 of the original 8 I don't have on dvd :(, which is a shame cause it's one that I more prefer, probably my 2nd or 3rd favourite, I haven't actaully seen this one in a looooooooong time, I really gotta find this on dvd

[MaDMaNMaRz]

You don't have Part 2....shame on you! Haha.

I have Parts 1-10 on VHS, Parts 1-10 and FvJ on DVD, and the Box Set......I like collecting. :)

[sCabbOy]

Haha, me too.

I have 1-8 on VHS, all on DVD and the box set.

1,2,4,5 and 6 on Laserdisc
and 1-5 on RCA CED

I want them all on Betamax too.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

That's hardcore....you collect Laserdisc and Betamax as well. :)

[Shoesalesman]

Paul pulled the sack off of Jason before he and Ginny left the shack.

That's gotta hurt! :eek:

Seriously, this is my favorite F13. It has it all; great setting, great chemistry between the actors, good flow from start to finish... what else can I say?

A fantastic movie!

[sCabbOy]

I dont have alot of Laserdiscs...
I do have so,me great movies on it like Maniac, The Gate, Drive-In massacre and such. RCA CEDs are harder to find... and Betamax for some reason is close to impossible to find.

[Jenosis]

Does anyone still have the poster art for Friday the 13th part 2, of Jason jumping out of the lake?

[sCabbOy]

I love that poster art! too bad it wasnt used on the DVDs

[CampNewBlood]

I forgot all about that poster art.

[James M]

I've never seen it. Anyone got a pic?

[Darth Sinister]

Yeah, I'd like to see that.

As to Paul, originally it was to be revealed that he was alive and well, just not on screen. But for reasons that remain somewhat...stupid, the line refering to Paul's survival was left out to create a more ominious tone. :side:

A long running rumor that was believed by many to be fact, was that John Furey got into a fight with Steve Miner and walked off before filming his last scene. This was later discredited by Furey, Amy Steel and Stu Charno.

[Rich]

If my name were Ted (Girlychaos' favorite name) I would say that Paul is probably a "dead f*ck."

[The Tall Man]

Blake provided the makers of JX with some material that said Paul was dead (beheaded by Jason), but sadly his efforts were for naught; it was cut out.

I'd like to see this poster art as well.

T.M.

[Lammert]

Yeah, I remember when Blake posted those clippings he made on the site... to bad they never made it into the final film. Would have been a great reference! :)

[Utellme]

Does anyone still have the poster art for Friday the 13th part 2, of Jason jumping out of the lake?

Why what exactly is this poster ? Ive never seen it

[girlychaos]

If my name were Ted (Girlychaos' favorite name) I would say that Paul is probably a "dead f*ck."

LOL
You know how much I love the Teds!!! :p

And please just don't start with the "Muffin ate Paul" thing again, okay?? :)

[Wheatjedi]

Utellme:

It's modeled exactly like the one for the first film. There's the outline of a figure, and a painting is within the outline. The painting depicts an adult Jason leaping out of the water and grabbing a girl in a bathing suit who is in a canoe.

[Fancy Corkscrew]

The computer don't lie......I am a dead fuck,a lousy lay

[Utellme]

Is there anywhere to view it or get it ? Can it be posted on here ?

[Wheatjedi]

LOL
You know how much I love the Teds!!! :p

And please just don't start with the "Muffin ate Paul" thing again, okay?? :)

Muffin DID eat Paul. I'm sorry, but it's true. My sig says so. And I pity the fool who doesn't believe my sig!!! :mrt: :D

[girlychaos]

Don't start that again....please!!! LOL

[Wheatjedi]

Is there anywhere to view it or get it ? Can it be posted on here ?

There was a pic of it at fridaythe13thfilms.com. It may still be there since only the forum went "boom." The site is still there.
ADDED:
Don't start that again....please!!! LOL

Well... he did. Paul is now tiny Muffin poops scattered all over the woods..... So sad... :cry:

[girlychaos]

That is just too gross!!!!

Muffin is sooo cute!!! :)

[Utellme]

No site is invalid,but i think i found it think im not sure though how can i post it on here ? Or are we allowed to post pics ?

[Wheatjedi]

Oh my gosh!! It was just there this afternoon! There was a new thing that said the guy who runs one of the Sleepaway Camp sites had bought it and would be running it. Oh well...

As for posting a pic of the original Part 2 poster, sure. As long as you follow the rules for posting pics, you should be fine.

[Utellme]

Ok i got pic saved in my pics but i cant get it on here can i email it to someone who can ?

[BlakeTyner]

You need to create an account at a place like imageshack to host the image, then you can use the IMG tags to post it in the thread.

[Utellme]

Rather email it to one of you

[Wheatjedi]

Okay.... the F13 site seems to be back up, so here's the link to the picture of the original painting for Friday the 13th Part 2's one-sheet:

www.fridaythe13thfilms.com/gfx/friday2painting.jpg

And now it seems to be gone again. Grrrrrrr......

[Lammert]

I have seen this one before, it's very cool!

I would love to see this as a poster or as a high quality image. :)

[Utellme]

Ok thanks that pic is sweet

[driftingsun]

Yeah, thanks Wheat. That's some cool poster art. I like the other one also, the one that is on the cover to the VHS and DVD, but it is always interesting to see alternative versions. They even got Jason (as W.G. portrayed him) pretty accurate, you can see the lumps on his head and everything. Now you just have to figure out how to stick Muffin in there...maybe leaping at the bikini-clad female from the other side of the boat? (snicker...snicker)

[Rich]

I have seen that one myself. I would love to have a version big enough to use as a wallpaper.

[Wheatjedi]

Wonderful idea, but the inclusion of Muffin in the artwork would have made it far too perfect for any of us (especially me) to properly handle without needing to seek outside help. Seeing her leaping across the lake at the bikini girl would have sent shockwaves of anticipation for this film across the world like a massive tidalwave the likes of which no human has ever seen. The awesomeness of Muffin simply can not be understated. :)

[Shoesalesman]

Wonderful idea, but the inclusion of Muffin in the artwork would have made it far too perfect for any of us (especially me) to properly handle without needing to seek outside help. Seeing her leaping across the lake at the bikini girl would have sent shockwaves of anticipation for this film across the world like a massive tidalwave the likes of which no human has ever seen. The awesomeness of Muffin simply can not be understated. :)

Wheat, you okay? :brow: :p

[Wheatjedi]

Not really. :)

[CampNewBlood]

LOL.....that makes you stop and think for a few minutes.

[girlychaos]

Wheat...Bunny....how many times do I have to tell you not to take those funny looking pills??? LOL ;)

[CampNewBlood]

Wasn't Amy Steel supposedly asked to be in Part 3 also? I think I remember reading that.

[girlychaos]

I think I've heard something about that too....I'm not so sure though.

[driftingsun]

Wonderful idea, but the inclusion of Muffin in the artwork would have made it far too perfect for any of us (especially me) to properly handle without needing to seek outside help. Seeing her leaping across the lake at the bikini girl would have sent shockwaves of anticipation for this film across the world like a massive tidalwave the likes of which no human has ever seen. The awesomeness of Muffin simply can not be understated. :)

That would have made the film too popular and ruined its cult status. Besides, I heard that Muffin's agent was making outrageous demands upon the producing team, you know, like doggy treats imported from France and stuff like that. :D
ADDED:
Wasn't Amy Steel supposedly asked to be in Part 3 also? I think I remember reading that.

I wonder if they were going to shoot some live flashback scenes with her, and not just use stock footage, that would have been cool.

[Rich]

Since they were doing flashback stuff, I would rather it just be the stock footage for continuity purposes. Remember the scene in Jason Takes Manhattan where Jim was telling Suzy the story of Jason drowning? Jason in that scene had a full set of hair and that pisses me off to no end. I don't know why they couldn't just use Part 1 footage and spend the money that cost them to film the "new" drowning scene on more New York. Of yeah...because that would have made sense...I forgot, this is Paramount we are talking about here...or Rob Heddon (even worse then Paramount). If they were going to continue the story with her character, then obviously I would have preferred Amy to be in it.

[Wheatjedi]

Muffin's agent's demands for his client were a little excessive, but Muffin was/is certainly deserving of anything she can get.

As for Amy Steel being asked back for Part 3.... yes, she was. Her agent suggested she decline the offer because she was supposed to be moving on up in Hollywood at the time. Needless to say, she declined the offer (which she has stated she now regrets). The storyline (should she have returned) would have followed Ginny to a hospital (similar to Part V following Tommy to Pinehurst).

[girlychaos]

I would have liked that...Ginny is a great character.

[driftingsun]

Since they were doing flashback stuff, I would rather it just be the stock footage for continuity purposes. Remember the scene in Jason Takes Manhattan where Jim was telling Suzy the story of Jason drowning? Jason in that scene had a full set of hair and that pisses me off to no end. I don't know why they couldn't just use Part 1 footage and spend the money that cost them to film the "new" drowning scene on more New York. Of yeah...because that would have made sense...I forgot, this is Paramount we are talking about here...or Rob Heddon (even worse then Paramount). If they were going to continue the story with her character, then obviously I would have preferred Amy to be in it.


I don't think they had any stock footage of Jason underwater, though, did they? Otherwise, they couldn't have gotten a close-up shot of boy-Jason grabbing Rennie underwater, all the shots from part one were kind of far-away shots of Jason treading water.

[Rich]

Yeah, but that is what they should have used during Jim's story, not a Jason with a full set of hair with no disfiguration.

[Wheatjedi]

I couldn't agree more. Footage from prior F13 films was used in Parts 2, 3, 4, sound in Part VI, and footage again in Part VII. There was no reason the Part 1 Jason drowning stuff couldn't have been used in Part VIII.

[Rich]

You should get Muffin after Rob Heddon.

[sCabbOy]

I've always wondered why they didn't use stock footage.

I always figured that when he was telling the story she was imagining it... and of course she had no idea how Jason looked.

[Speck]

As for Amy Steel being asked back for Part 3.... yes, she was. Her agent suggested she decline the offer because she was supposed to be moving on up in Hollywood at the time. Needless to say, she declined the offer (which she has stated she now regrets).

Sounds like Amy should have taken Nick Savage's advice when he said "Never turn down a job".

[Wheatjedi]

You should get Muffin after Rob Heddon.

I shall unleash Muffin posthaste! To paraphrase Shakespeare... "Cry havoc! And let slip the Muffin of war!"
ADDED:
Sounds like Amy should have taken Nick Savage's advice when he said "Never turn down a job".

You speak the truth.....

[Shoesalesman]

I would have liked that...Ginny is a great character.

She is DEVINE. :shy:

[Rich]

The thing about Ginny is that she is one of the few real characters in the series. She isn't just their to show tits and get wasted. She is a genuine character with a good head on her sholders. I would have loved to see her come back into the movie. I would still like to see the return of the character. I know that will never happen though.

[Shoesalesman]

My favorite F13 picture/photo is the one where Ginny's holding the pitchfork to the camera (the scene at the end of part 2) and she has this intense look in her eyes. Kind of creepy looking too.

[Lammert]

I agree with you guys on Ginny, she's the smartest hero in the F13 legacy.

And that picture is great....
http://www.best-horror-movies.com/images/Friday-the-13th-part-2-pitchfork-small.jpg

[Rich]

That is a scary image, but I wish it wasn't on the cover in the box set. lol. The same goes for the Mrs. Voorhees cover.

[Lammert]

Indeed it ruins the movies ending... especially the Mrs.Voorhees one.

When I rented Part 1 back in the early 90's, it had a picture of Alice in the canoe. And on the back a B/W picture of the group with Steve's jeep.

[Shoesalesman]

Yeah, I guess those images would be spoilers after all.

[Rich]

The Mrs. Voorhees one would be a spoiler for sure. The Ginny one would actually be decieving. It would look like a spoiler, but that would get tarnished rather early on in the movie, because you can see the person (who winds up being Jason) with the bag on his head for a second when the cop chases him through the woods.

Do you know what I just thought of? Friday the 13th is an urban legend story. So is the Legend of Sleepy Hollow. Sleepy Hollow is in New York, while Friday the 13th is in New Jersey. If they wanted Friday the 13th to be more phantasy then reality or if they wanted people to think that until the end of the movie, is it possable that the reason they may have chosen the bag instead of some kind of mask in Part 2 to make people think, "Is that a headless Mrs. Voorhees running around like the headless horseman?" Not like they were ever going to do that, but do you think maybe that is one of the things they wanted people to list as a twisted possability? Of course Paul's Jason campfire story suggests Jason, but that just seems really twisted to have a headless ghost of Mrs. Voorhees haunting the area.

[Deathscythe]

I would have liked to see Ginny return too. I didn't have anything against Chris through, except for she sounded like a little girl to me.

[Rich]

The thing about the first two Friday the 13th movies is that they are the story. They are the legend. From Part 3 and on, every movie came up with it's own subplot which was nothing more then compensation for the fact that there is no more story to tell. Chris and her experience was a quick thing thought up just to give the movie some kind of purpose.

[CampNewBlood]

I agree with you guys on Ginny, she's the smartest hero in the F13 legacy.

And that picture is great....
http://www.best-horror-movies.com/images/Friday-the-13th-part-2-pitchfork-small.jpg

Rule # 1...never sit in front of open windows....:D

[Darth Sinister]

Sounds like Amy should have taken Nick Savage's advice when he said "Never turn down a job".

Indeed. Agents are good and then they can also be a pain in the ass. That was one example.

[Speck]

I agree with you guys on Ginny, she's the smartest hero in the F13 legacy.

And that picture is great....
http://www.best-horror-movies.com/images/Friday-the-13th-part-2-pitchfork-small.jpg

I saw a T-shirt for sale somewhere online with that image on it. The t-shirt was black and the image was white. I thought it looked great. I wish I knew where I saw it, because I'd probably buy it.

[Nancy Thompson]

I would have liked to see Ginny return too. I didn't have anything against Chris through, except for she sounded like a little girl to me.

I have said more then once i would love to see Ginny return to face Jason one more time. Now i would also love to see chris return too just to see if she still nuts like she was at the ending of part 3

[Shoesalesman]

Speck, I saw the shirt for sale on line, but I can't for the life of me remember where I saw it. It was for a decent price too, but I had no money at the time.

And yeah, that's the picture I was referring to above. What focus she has.

[Ron]

this one's probably my favorite soley based upon the fact that it's still kinda realistic and it birthed the whole folklore of jason. I thought that Ginny was a really good heroine and I like that fact that the joker didn't die in this one.

[Shoesalesman]

If I could go back and see just one F13 movie on the big screen (and forfeit seeing what I've already seen in the theater - part 7, 8, JGTH) it would be this one.

[girlychaos]

As sad as it sounds I only watched Jason X and Freddy x Jason on the big screen...

I wish I could watch all of them...at least once!

[Wheatjedi]

After seeing a double-feature of Parts 1 and 2 on the big screen back in April, I can now say I've seen all of them on the big screen. I just don't remember too much about Part 3.

[girlychaos]

After seeing a double-feature of Parts 1 and 2 on the big screen back in April, I can now say I've seen all of them on the big screen. I just don't remember too much about Part 3.

I'm really jealous!

[Wheatjedi]

Awww... don't be. Fernando was there.

[girlychaos]

LOL
Fernando is ALWAYS around now, isn't he?? :confused:

[Wheatjedi]

Fernando does tend to lurk in the background. He had to leave the screening early though after he became enraged that the theater had run out of Junior Mints.

[girlychaos]

Uh-oh....bad, mean Fernando! Always up to no good!

[Wheatjedi]

Yeah. He got the boot, and everyone had a good time at the screening. Fernando used the time to stock up on Junior Mints after vowing never to be Junior Mint-less again at the cinema!

[girlychaos]

Muffin should eat Fernando!

[Wheatjedi]

Muffin shall eat Fernando.

[girlychaos]

I hope she does...I really do! :)

[Shoesalesman]

I envied Muffin only because she got to stand toe to toe with Jason in that scene in the forest and lived to tell the tale. :dog:

She's totally owns Gordon from part 4, too.

[Wheatjedi]

No doubt about it! Gordon ran like a wuss, but Muffin (being the supreme bad-ass that she is) didn't even flinch when she met Jason. Thus was the beginning of a beautiful friendship.

[Shoesalesman]

No doubt about it! Gordon ran like a wuss, but Muffin (being the supreme bad-ass that she is) didn't even flinch when she met Jason. Thus was the beginning of a beautiful friendship.

I wonder...was Muffin the "girlfriend" Tommy asked Gordon about when he finally came home?

[Wheatjedi]

Hmmm.... I never thought about it, but you could be right. She was probably just using him though. She wouldn't have anything long-term to do with a dog that ran like a sissy-pooch from her friend Jason.

[girlychaos]

Girls rule! Even when it comes to female dogs!! We seem to agree about that! ;)

[Wheatjedi]

Girls rule? More like "drool." :drool: OH SNAP!!! :lmao:

[girlychaos]

If that was Fernando, you should tell him to quit...

[Wheatjedi]

Bad Fernando!!! Take this: :ballshot:

[girlychaos]

That's better....thanks! :)
Now, seriously...I know this is not the right thread to say it...but why did Gordon jump out of the window like that? Really...

[The New Blood]

That's better....thanks! :)
Now, seriously...I know this is not the right thread to say it...but why did Gordon jump out of the window like that? Really...

some say he was thrown by Jason, others say he got scared by seeing Jason. Its one or the other.

[girlychaos]

some say he was thrown by Jason, others say he got scared by seeing Jason. Its one or the other.

What do you guys think though?

[Wheatjedi]

I think he was scared. He definitely wasn't thrown.

[girlychaos]

But it was kinda weird anyway...and yeah...it didn't seem like he was thrown to me either.

[Wheatjedi]

It was definitely strange. I don't even see why it was in the movie in the first place. Gordon didn't really serve much of a purpose in the film. Not that I didn't like Gordon.....

Good Gordon! Good boy!!

[The New Blood]

Yeah, it was a pretty dumb scene. He definetly looked like he was jumping, but I have a feeling the director meant the dog to be thrown out.

[girlychaos]

LOL

But yeah...I know what you mean...I remember that I always thought about it a lot after I'd watch TFC when I was around 6 - 7 y.o.

And I never quite "got it"... :confused:

[The Tall Man]

That is especially impossible. As Gordon jumps out the window, Jason is skulking under the stairs in the cellar. And Jason wasn't exactly jumping across creation at this point.

T.M.

[Utellme]

Anyone ever see the town that dreaded sun down ? killer wears a potato sack mask.

And the Voorhees shrine at the end you think the eyes should of opened ?
they didn't use it cause they thought it was cheesy well would it have been ?

What are the cut scenes from this movie ? I thought i read that only 42 seconds was cut ?

And as far as the end of this movie does Jason die after he jumps through the window and grabs Jinny ? Did Jason run away ? And how would Paul fit into this ?I know he walked off set but lets say he didn't ?

[Wheatjedi]

I'm glad they didn't use the shot of Mrs. Voorhees' eyes opening. That would have been silly. Silliness should stay in Camelot.

As for what happened when Jason jumped through the window to grab Ginny and how Paul and Muffin fit into that whole scene..... well...... shall I tell the whole story? Anyone? :)

Oh.... and John Furey didn't walk off the set.

[Ron]

silly? i guess we should discount the "dream" of Mrs.Vorhees decapitated body coming out of the water then..

[The New Blood]

I've always thought of that ending in part 2 to be Ginnie's dream. The beginning of part 3 pretty muchs shows that its not real anyway since he pulls the machete out of himself.

[Wheatjedi]

I agree. The whole "jumping through the window" scene was most likely a dream. Still.... Muffin did, in fact, eat Paul.
ADDED:
silly? i guess we should discount the "dream" of Mrs.Vorhees decapitated body coming out of the water then..

I've always wished they had used the alternate ending for Part 3.

[girlychaos]

I'm glad they didn't use the shot of Mrs. Voorhees' eyes opening. That would have been silly. Silliness should stay in Camelot.

As for what happened when Jason jumped through the window to grab Ginny and how Paul and Muffin fit into that whole scene..... well...... shall I tell the whole story? Anyone? :)

Oh.... and John Furey didn't walk off the set.

NO!!! Please don't tell the whole story....if Fernando's there right now, tell him to be quiet...please!!! :eek:

[Wheatjedi]

NO!!! Please don't tell the whole story....if Fernando's there right now, tell him to be quiet...please!!! :eek:

Too late.....

Jason didn't kill Muffin when they ran into each other early in the film. They bonded and formed a wonderful friendship. When Jason decided to jump through the window to grab Ginny, he needed something to take her attention away from the window. Muffin suggested that she come to the front door to distract Paul and Ginny, thus having them both let their guard down when they saw it was her and not Jason.

When Jason lunged through the window to grab Ginny, Muffin attacked Paul and devoured his head. That's why there was no mention of Paul at the end of the film. It was just too gruesome.

[Utellme]

oh i see now

[girlychaos]

That wasn't Fernando at all.
LOL

Poor Muffin...! :)

[Utellme]

Ok but now your serious opinions ?

[girlychaos]

Ok but now your serious opinions ?

I tried to stop Wheat and warn you...but you wouldn't listen. :)
LOL...I sound like Crazy Ralph now! :D

[Wheatjedi]

This thread is cursed! Cursed!!! :)

[Utellme]

No its cool its all fun but still want to hear your real theorys.

[Wheatjedi]

Okay....

The whole thing with Jason jumping through the window was a dream. Ginny passed out due to the pain of her leg injury and dreamed that whole thing. Here's how I figure that:

1. Jason looks nothing like he does in Parts 3 and 4 when he comes through the window.
2. Look closely at the beginning of Part 3. Jason is laying at the base of the altar. He removes the machete from his shoulder and crawls away. Now.... in Ginny's dream, that machete was still in Jason's shoulder when he came through the window.

As for the Paul thing..... John Furey never walked off the set. That was just a rumor.

[Utellme]

I've always thought of that ending in part 2 to be Ginnie's dream. The beginning of part 3 pretty muchs shows that its not real anyway since he pulls the machete out of himself.
Yeah i see that now i just checked it out thanks.Ok well then did Jinny and Paul call for help ? Or did others return to find them ? And when was Jason pulling machete out of shoulder and sliding across the floor that night ? the next morning ? What happen to his shack and shrine ? Police took care of that i suppose

[girlychaos]

But....what happened to Paul then? Seriously...

[The New Blood]

yeah, its safe to assume Ginnie told the police about the shack.

[Wheatjedi]

Yeah i see that now i just checked it out thanks.Ok well then did Jinny and Paul call for help ? Or did others return to find them ? And when was Jason pulling machete out of shoulder and sliding across the floor that night ? the next morning ? What happen to his shack and shrine ? Police took care of that i suppose

The phones at the camp weren't working yet, so I'd imagine Ted and/or the others showed up and called the cops.

Paul probably survived. We just didn't see him at the end.

Jason pulled the machete out that same night.

The cops found the shack and Mrs. Voorhees' head was probably buried with the rest of her.

[The New Blood]

But....what happened to Paul then? Seriously...

In my vision of the events, he survived and was the one who went to town and told the plice about what happened, which is what led to them coming to the camp. As for Ginnie saying " Where's Paul?", I just say its because she had just woken up and didn't realize what was going on yet.

[Utellme]

Yeah part 2 ending can lose you. Ok it was a dream but Paul ? Jason ? what happen that night
ADDED:
In my vision of the events, he survived and was the one who went to town and told the plice about what happened, which is what led to them coming to the camp. As for Ginnie saying " Where's Paul?", I just say its because she had just woken up and didn't realize what was going on yet.
That sounds right on.But now what about Jason where did he get to was he sliding across the floor that night or next morning ?

[The New Blood]

That sounds right on.But now what about Jason where did he get to was he sliding across the floor that night or next morning ?

I think he just went into the woods, saw all the police showing up and started walking away from the area, which is what led him to ending up at the part 3 location. It all just fits perfectly together IMO. Thats why I love the first 4 movies.

[The Tall Man]

I've always wished they had used the alternate ending for Part 3.
Man, so do I! I have a still of it and the look of helplessness on Dana Kimmell's face as Jason's machete swings toward her neck is priceless.

T.M.

[Utellme]

Seems logical probably the ones that was out drinking struggled in around 9 am 10 am ? went back got police cause no phone there. Ok were does the whole Chris's dream of Jason fit into all this that they show us in part 3 ? Where did Jason see the police from ? his shack ? the woods ? Love makeing you brainstorm on this cause your doing so well

[Wheatjedi]

Man, so do I! I have a still of it and the look of helplessness on Dana Kimmell's face as Jason's machete swings toward her neck is priceless.

T.M.

No kidding! The only pix I have from that scene are in CLM and one in Fango. The look on her face in the CLM pic is definitely good. Have you read the original novel from 1982? It has that ending, and it plays great!

[The Tall Man]

I haven't read any of the novels, Wheat. I just know about them from what fans like you have told me.

T.M.

[Wheatjedi]

The first Part 3 novel is very much a product of its time. The characterization of Jason is way off (he laughs), and the writing tends to get a little soap opera-ish at times. Still... it's good just for getting an insight into what the original ending was like.

[sCabbOy]

I loved that novel haha.

It also had the chase scene with Shelly and the gang, where Shelly and them are racing. It also made Jason look like he ate Harold's rabbit..

I think it also had the scene where Chris found out someone has been sleeping in her room (in the script) which was supposed to make it look like Jason was.

[Darth Sinister]

Yeah part 2 ending can lose you. Ok it was a dream but Paul ? Jason ? what happen that night
ADDED:

That sounds right on.But now what about Jason where did he get to was he sliding across the floor that night or next morning ?

It's simple. He dragged himself out of the shack and because this was a new experience for him, he went off to hide. Over the next 18 hours, Jason recovered from his injury. The blood stopped and he was soon able to move his arm again. Enough for him to grab Edna and hold her, while he drove the needle into her head. He probably made his way back to Camp Crystal Lake and hid there. Rested and mended. Then he went wandering sometime during the day and by early evening, he found himself at Harold and Edna's. He had enough sense to change his clothes and did so, stealing Harlod's and changing. That's when Edna heard him and briefly spotted someone out there. Meantime, the police had showed up and covered the area. Paul would've had to walk, since Ginny's car probably died for good on him. He would've walked out that night after Ginny fell asleep or Ted and the others came home to find the disaster. The local reporter probably got his facts wrong, when he said that Ginny was the only survivor. Not the first time that has happened.

[CanadianFonzie]

I love how Jason was so small and skinny in this movie, yet he seemed to get bigger each movie

[Shoesalesman]

Just a question here... is it written somewhere official (novel, script...) the duration of the shack in the woods? I'm curious as to how long it's been there. Did Jason build it or was it always there and Jason killed the hillbilly living there and took it over? These are questions I ponder late at night.

[Wheatjedi]

I've always assumed it was on the grounds of Camp Crystal Lake. It was just one of the many abandoned cabins.

[Shoesalesman]

I've always assumed it was on the grounds of Camp Crystal Lake. It was just one of the many abandoned cabins.

You think they'd send someone out to look at the problem with that toilet, eh? :p

[TheCurse]

I envied Muffin only because she got to stand toe to toe with Jason in that scene in the forest and lived to tell the tale.
Yeah. It goes along with the theory that if Jason doesn't perceive someone/something to be a threat, he won't kill him/her/it.

[Wheatjedi]

Yeah. It goes along with the theory that if Jason doesn't perceive someone/something to be a threat, he won't kill him/her/it.

It's recently been revealed that Jason didn't kill Muffin and that she played a part in the finale of the film that explains what happened to Paul.
ADDED:
You think they'd send someone out to look at the problem with that toilet, eh? :p

Someone was sent out to look into fixing Jason's plumbing problem, but Jason killed the guy. They told Jason the guy would be out between 2:00 and 6:00, but the guy was late. Jason hates tardiness. :)

[girlychaos]

For real: Is it true or not that John Furey walked out of the set?

According to what source btw?

[sCabbOy]

That was an old rumor started by hateful fans.

John said (when he had a forum on GaG) H'd never quit any acting job, and that notion was nonsense. He said it was bad writing.

He also went on to say that he was supposed to survive, although it ended up contradicting what Miner said in CLM.

[Nancy Thompson]

That was an old rumor started by hateful fans.

John said (when he had a forum on GaG) H'd never quit any acting job, and that notion was nonsense. He said it was bad writing.

He also went on to say that he was supposed to survive, although it ended up contradicting what Miner said in CLM.

Don't you just hate when people spread rumors about this. I am glad he come clean about it though

[Joshg]

I hated Paul when I first watched the film, but after many repeat viewings, I like him. A lot. Not as much as Ginny or Sandra or Jeff though.

[sCabbOy]

Don't you just hate when people spread rumors about this. I am glad he come clean about it though

Yeah. I'm sure someone just assumed he may of quit and told one person and it went on from there.

[Darth Sinister]

I don't think it's a case of him coming clean, rather I don't think he had realized that there was an issue until it came to his attention and he decided to speak about it.

[girlychaos]

That was an old rumor started by hateful fans.

John said (when he had a forum on GaG) H'd never quit any acting job, and that notion was nonsense. He said it was bad writing.

He also went on to say that he was supposed to survive, although it ended up contradicting what Miner said in CLM.

Thanks for the info....and it is really bad when someone starts rumors like that. I can tell you I'm glad to know it was only a rumor cause I always liked Paul (John Furey).

[Utellme]

Thank you that explains it very well.But where does the scene Chris talks about in part 3 fit into all this ?

[Wheatjedi]

But where does the scene Chris talks about in part 3 fit into all this ?

It doesn't. Her experience with Jason prior to Part 3 has nothing to do with Part 2.

[Utellme]

Then where does that scene fit ? Between 1 and 2 ? Between 2 and 3 ?

[Wheatjedi]

Between 1 and 2.

[girlychaos]

The only problem is that Jason doesn't look like what he did on F13 part 2.

[Wheatjedi]

Yep. As the Fonz would say, "Correctamundo."

[Killa Pimp]

[QUOTE=Utellme;6831]Anyone ever see the town that dreaded sun down ? killer wears a potato sack mask.
QUOTE]

I thought the same thing watching this movie.
Jason looked like a carbon copy of this guy.

[Rich]

Thank you that explains it very well.But where does the scene Chris talks about in part 3 fit into all this ?

The scene where Chris is actually attacked by Jason actually happened a year ago (from Part 3), which would also make it a year before Part 2.

[SmiTheReeNs*]

The only problem is that Jason doesn't look like what he did on F13 part 2.
Yea im with her on that one..i wanted to see bearded up Jason or him with the sack

[Rich]

As far as Jason's look, what I think happened is that between the time when he got up in the shask and made his first kills in Part 3, he shaved his hair off of his head. Remember the scene in Jason Goes to Hell. I honestly believe that Jason just does not like hair. He may either find it itchy. or it gets in the way of his vision when he is going after someone. Take note that in Part 4 it was starting to grow back.

[Darth Sinister]

Chris says that she was attacked two years ago. So this happened three years after Jason killed Alice, which had been two months after the first film ended. Jason's bald look is essentially a retcon caused by Amy Steel's absence and Miner's desire to have Jason look more like Savini's than Fullerton.

[The Tall Man]

Rich, that's an excellent point... but I think it's worth mentioning that in the majority of the films, Jason has hair of some sort (whether it's the part 4-style strands or not). Only in 3, 7, and 8 is adult Jason missing hair.

"Why is Jason shaving him?" "The moustache tickles!"

T.M.

[Rich]

Jason didn't have hair in Jason Lives did he? I don't think so. As far as the flashback scene in Part 3, even if Amy Steel was there, I don't think she would have had any say in Jason's look.

[Deathscythe]

Kid Jason had hair in Jason Takes Manhattan, that scene always annoyed me.

[Darth Sinister]

Jason didn't have hair in Jason Lives did he? I don't think so. As far as the flashback scene in Part 3, even if Amy Steel was there, I don't think she would have had any say in Jason's look.

She wouldn't have any say, but Miner would've filmed a new scene which would probably have been similar to what was done with the second film. Namely that time passes and we see Jason come and find Ginny, which would then explain his new look. Or reshoot the scene where Jason crashes through the window, with the new makeup in place.

Either way, Miner was going for a retcon by the time of the third film.

[The Tall Man]

Rich, Jason has part 4-type hair in JL. Check out two scenes: when Jason is in the girls' cabin and when Jason is wrestling with Tommy on the surface of the lake. You can see it very well there.

T.M.

[Utellme]

As for Jason's hair between 1 and 2 no hair in Chris's dream or did he ? Jason might have had small strans of hair we really dont get a clear view of Chris's dream scene. And if Jason was bald he can shave refer to JGTH and TFC Tommy shaving his head.Jason's hair growth why cant it have quick erratic growth spurts.

As for Paul either way Paul quit or bad filming ending still works out the same.If Paul survived they don't show him when Ginny yells for him cause hes all ready at the hospital from walking into town to get help.

[driftingsun]

If you accept that the end of part II was a dream, than maybe Jason never had hair, he was always bald. Remember, during the last real-life scene in part II, just after Ginny plants the machete in Jason's shoulder and she unmasks him, they didn't show us what he looked like. The scene showing Warrington Gilette's made-up Jason face at the end was a dream, so he might not have looked like that at all, but rather appeared as he did in part III.

[Ron]

yes, but if that was Ginny's dream wouldn't she have dreamed him the same way she saw him? just a little food for thought;)

[Darth Sinister]

As for Paul either way Paul quit or bad filming ending still works out the same.If Paul survived they don't show him when Ginny yells for him cause hes all ready at the hospital from walking into town to get help.

Once again, John Furey who played Paul, did not quit the production. Paul was supposed to live, but some dumbass told Miner to remove the reference to Paul's survival. More than likely, Paul is alive and is off talking to Chief Fitzsimmons.

Now, if Amy Steel had come back and filmed a new shot of Jason coming in the window to pull Ginny out, then it would no longer be a dream. It would be as it was originally intended. Because she did not come back, Miner pulled a retcon and had Jason just crawl away. Ginny, meanwhile, probably had did dream Jason attacking her. But that's not important to the third film. What is important is that a) Jason does not look like he did in the second film and b), he removed the machete and went off to where we find him after the opening credits.

[CampNewBlood]

I guess he shaved his head and face to look more presentable for Chris is Part 3.

[Utellme]

yes, but if that was Ginny's dream wouldn't she have dreamed him the same way she saw him? just a little food for thought;)
Exactly i believe the Jason we see come through the window is what he looked like.Like it or not accept it or not that was his look.As for the hair it has erratic growth spurts.And Jason shaves it when he feels the need

[sCabbOy]

yes, but if that was Ginny's dream wouldn't she have dreamed him the same way she saw him? just a little food for thought;)

Not necessarily, and definitely not in a work of fiction.

[CampNewBlood]

Alot of stuff I dream is hardly ever as it actually is.

[Darth Sinister]

Retcons means retroactive continuity, for those who don't know. This means the adding or subtracting of new information to "historical" material, or deliberately changing previously established facts in a work of serial fiction. Retconning can be done either on purpose, or accidentally, where a break in continuity is not noticed until later and is then corrected by later creative teams. An example would be say, "Highlander." The first film establishes that the story is over and done with. But then in 1992, the television series was started and a number of retcons were introduced. Such as the concept of the Buzz, lightning during a Quickening, the fact that a number of Immortals still exist and that the events of the first film are considered just the Kurgan coming to NYC to kill those who survived previous encounters with him. Ergo, retcons.

Thus the retcon would be that Jason was practically bald, just as he was in the first film. Paul and Ginny leave the shack, while Jason removes the machete and crawls away. When we see Jason again, he's stealing Harold's clothing to replace his old tattered and blooded pair.

And yes, Jason is bald in the first film. I have proof with thanks to scabboy

http://scabboy.net/friday/bts16f.jpg

Savini removed the hair and went with a bald look. Carl Fullerton did a rough idea, since he only had a day to work with. The bits of hair that remain in the latter films, exist because of different makeup artists trying to create their own signature look. KNB wanted to combine John Carl Buechler's and Fullerton's designs. Stephan Dupuis choose to add more hair, since the script for "Jason X" called for Jason to have regenative abilities. Bill Terezakis and the team came up with the hair since Jason's design was to lead into "Jason X."

[driftingsun]

I think that they should do some more retconning (even though I am usually against retconning) and make a new film, a remake of part II, which would include a little bit that takes place between II and III, during those precious hours when Jason limped away from his shack, grabbed a burger and a beer, and did some other interesting activities before going on part III's killing romp. I say retcon, because in a re-make, they would have some solid, non-dream sequence take the place of the events at the end of part II, as we know it. It just seems, from how long this topic has been going on, that there is a lot of demand to have those nebulous events (what happened to Paul? what happened to Muffin? when did Jason shave?) explained differently, or more completely. It's not that I don't like the end of part II, I am just saying that if they are going to do a remake, then that part of the series is ripe for an alternative narrative, and then we can have fun comparing them.

[sCabbOy]

I think disregarding is better than doing a true retcon (where it's onscreen- removing past facts). For the most part the average person won't care or even notice.

[Utellme]

Either way Jason looked wheter it was a dream or not.Paul survived went into town to get help.If he didn't then Jason killed him in the dream or no dream scene and they never let us know how he was killed etc.Man this ending does the novel do anything to shed some light on it ?

[girlychaos]

I don't know about the novel, but I think what really happened was:

Paul survived and the last scene was Ginny's dream (more like a nightmare :)).

[Darth Sinister]

Well, Miner says that Paul is dead, then unless someone says otherwise, he is. And he's about as high up as it gets.

[sCabbOy]

Miner now says he's dead, that's true. John said it was written for him to survive but of course the director gets last say.

[Utellme]

Ok then Jason kills Paul when hes walking back to town for help.

[Ron]

I always just assumed that Paul lived.

[girlychaos]

I always just assumed that Paul lived.

Me too....and it was meant to be that way.

[Mr. Undertaker]

I just re-watched it again....
I still don't know if the last scene is a dream or not for me..... but.... if the director said he died, he died.....

[girlychaos]

To me it was a dream....but then again that means Muffin really died. :shock: :confused:

[Wheatjedi]

Muffin did not die. She's alive and well and will be around long after we're all gone. I refuse to believe otherwise.

[girlychaos]

Muffin can't be dead!!! Here's the deal:

It was a dream...but Muffin is still alive...she faked her death and is now living where, Bunny? :D

[Wheatjedi]

She's living the good life on an undisclosed island paradise in the sunny Bahamas.

[girlychaos]

That's it....thanks, Wheat!

[Wheatjedi]

Not a problem! She writes from time to time, and she told me that she sometimes comes to the forum to see what's going on with the F13 fans. She's flattered at the attention she's gotten lately, and she asked me to tell everyone she says hi. :)

[girlychaos]

Look at my avatar...I'm close friends with her too...I just let you tell what you know cause I'm the one who keeps her secrets, you know? ;)

[Wheatjedi]

Oh, I know! She told me about the "girl talk" you two engage in sometimes. Talking about ribbons and guys named Jason. :)

[girlychaos]

We do that all the time!! You have no idea!! :)

[Ron]

I think the end was a dream and Jason ate muffin.

[driftingsun]

Yeah, that's what happened! Jason savagely tore Muffin's head off with one bite (and then he took the machete out of his shoulder) Where's your precious Muffin now, huh?

[Utellme]

I just looked in my Crystal Lake Memories book and the director and producer both say the end was not a dream and Paul did die.No dream no imagining what his face looked like.

So i guess when Jason jumped through the window and grabbed Ginny Paul went to save her and was killed by Jason choking Paul to death and this would answer everything to the ending of part 2

[Wheatjedi]

Yeah, that's what happened! Jason savagely tore Muffin's head off with one bite (and then he took the machete out of his shoulder) Where's your precious Muffin now, huh?

That was great. You're hilarious. Really. :rolleyes:

[driftingsun]

It's all okay Wheat, it turns out that it was only Muffin's stunt double. :cool:
What I never got is that Jason's arm was fully functional in part III, but if you had a machete buried halfway through your shoulder, that would limit range of motion, no matter how tough you are.

[girlychaos]

It's all okay Wheat, it turns out that it was only Muffin's stunt double. :cool:

Of course it was! I'm glad you realized that in time!!! :D
j/k

[Darth Sinister]

I just looked in my Crystal Lake Memories book and the director and producer both say the end was not a dream and Paul did die.No dream no imagining what his face looked like.

So i guess when Jason jumped through the window and grabbed Ginny Paul went to save her and was killed by Jason choking Paul to death and this would answer everything to the ending of part 2

Though, you have to remember that at the time this was made, that was pretty much the case. But then the third film contradicts everything from when they walk out of the cabin, to the next day.

[Rich]

The third movie does not contradict anything if you put it in sequence:

Jason gets up with the machette still in him and jumps through the window to attack Ginny. Paul tries to fight him, but Jason drags him off into the woods to kill him. Jason then goes back to the shack to heal from his wounds a little. He then takes the machette out of himself and Part 3 begins.

[sCabbOy]

I believe the other scenario.

Paul and Ginny leaves the shack, Paul calls for help and Ginny passes out and has a nightmare. Help comes, Paul is questioned and as Ginny is loaded into the ambulance Paul is showing the authorities where everything happened as Jason gets up and heads for Higgins Haven.

Thinking Ginny would dream Jason exactly as she saw him is logical, but haven't you ever had a dream where things weren't as they are? Usually you dream about things how your brain processes it or just flat out different. Once I had a dream I was driving a car and out of nowhere the car was a bicycle.

Obviously the scene at the end of 2 was shot to be real, and it was changed according to Minor to make Part 3 viable.

[girlychaos]

I believe the other scenario.

Paul and Ginny leaves the shack, Paul calls for help and Ginny passes out and has a nightmare. Help comes, Paul is questioned and as Ginny is loaded into the ambulance Paul is showing the authorities where everything happened as Jason gets up and heads for Higgins Haven.

Thinking Ginny would dream Jason exactly as she saw him is logical, but haven't you ever had a dream where things weren't as they are? Usually you dream about things how your brain processes it or just flat out different. Once I had a dream I was driving a car and out of nowhere the car was a bicycle.


As I said a lot of times before, I always thought Paul survived and the ending was Ginny's nightmare too. And the dead animal Jeff and Sandra saw was not Muffin. :)

Yeah...what you said about dreams...it happens to me all the time, so...that would explain why Ginny "saw" Jason look that way.

I agree with you here...I really do.

[Rich]

The third movie is perfectly viable either way. The only contradiction is Jason's look, but he looks different in every movie so that does not even matter.

[Speck]

Maybe if they had gotten Carl Fullerton to do the makeup in part 3, Jason would have looked similar. I'm sure the makeup artist has a preference on how things are.

[Utellme]

The third movie does not contradict anything if you put it in sequence:

Jason gets up with the machette still in him and jumps through the window to attack Ginny. Paul tries to fight him, but Jason drags him off into the woods to kill him. Jason then goes back to the shack to heal from his wounds a little. He then takes the machette out of himself and Part 3 begins.
Right on no dream no different look the end of part 2 is answered for me.From the director and producer they should know.

[sCabbOy]

Viable without shit tons of questions- how? why? and so forth?

The SFX team does have say how things will look, but only after okayed by producers and the director in most cases. I thought Douglas White & Allan Apone did a great job with Part 3. Jason did look very similar in 2 and 3, one he just had hair.

[Rich]

That is how I feel Scab. I have always said he shaved it off because it gets in the way of his one good guy while he is chasing someone. That scene in Jason Goes to Hell kind of confirms that.

[Darth Sinister]

Maybe if they had gotten Carl Fullerton to do the makeup in part 3, Jason would have looked similar. I'm sure the makeup artist has a preference on how things are.

Miner was the one who called for the change from Fullerton's design back to a variation of Savini's design. That's where Stan Winston and Doug White come in. Fullerton just put together a design, a basic sketch and Miner went with it. Obviously it bothered him in the long run, because of the change. Sure, there were variations of Savini's design, even by the man himself. But up until JTM, Jason's overall look was based on Savini/Winston/White. Later teams just kept bits and pieces of Fullerton, namely the hair.

[Rich]

Honestly, I like the way unmasked Jason looks in Part 2 better then in Part 3 and 4. I liked that particular structure of the face the best.
ADDED:
I just got done watching this and there are two things I would like to bring to attention that just popped out at me tonight.

1. When Mark and Vickie are about to play the game, when Vickie said, "I only want your fingers," and Mark replied, "What?" with that look on his face, what do you think he thought she meant. With the look on his face, if I didn't know any better he was thinking of something much different then a video game when she said that. Do you think he thought she wanted him to finger her?

2. When Ginny is about to put the machete in Jason, you notice she was crying out of both eyes. Was that just out of fear and shock from everything she had been through or do you guys think despite what Jason has done, she still kind of feels sorry for him knowing what he had been through? Do you think she still pittied him and believe she would be doing him a favor by killing him?

[Wheatjedi]

Just my opinions:

1. Yes, Mark definitely was thinking something sexual when Vickie mentioned only wanting his fingers.

2. No, I don't think Ginny felt the least bit sorry for Jason. Those tears were out of fear and desparation... not sympathy for him.

[Rich]

So you don't think she had any sympathy for him at all, even after her speech in the bar?

[Lammert]

So you don't think she had any sympathy for him at all, even after her speech in the bar?



I think she did.. and also, she seemed very fasinated by the Jason story.


My favorite scene with Muffin is when she is in the woods and run up to the feet and looks up. The very next thing you see it hot dogs on the grill. Sorry, Wheat. :lmao:

I love that... hahaha.. especially the sound he makes "bweeeeheeeh".

[Wheatjedi]

So you don't think she had any sympathy for him at all, even after her speech in the bar?

I really don't. She was a psych grad student who was just theorizing at the bar. Given Paul's ghost story from the night before, I'm sure it was very much on her mind at the time. She may had felt some sympathy at that point in time, but not later that same night.

After returning to the camp she, (1) found a blood-soaked bed, (2) saw a masked man attack her boyfriend, (3) was chased through the woods and was attacked with a pitchfork by the same masked man, (4) discovered a cabin containing at least 2 corpses and a head on a table, (5) had her leg cut open by that same masked man, and (6) saw that masked man attack her boyfriend again.

Do I think she had any sympathy for Jason after those events? No, I don't.

I'd comment on the Muffin thing, but my sense of humor is pretty non-existant today because one of my pets lost her fight with cancer last night.

[SmiTheReeNs*]

Sorry for your loss Wheat:( I myself been a dog lover since i was a youngin and my dog also died of cancer..Off topic but dogs are really a mans bestfriend..some people dont understand that losing a pet is in the same respect as losing a family member or friend

[Wheatjedi]

Thank you. Serenity (she was a hamster) was a wonderful little friend who had a hard life in the beginning. You see.... she used to belong to my ex-girlfriend, Sarah. For some twisted reason, Sarah started collecting hamsters in November of 2005 and neglected them for reasons I'll never understand. I won't go into details, but she was a horrible pet owner (which I only learned a few months later).

During Christmas of 2005, Sarah asked if she could keep some of the hamsters here at my house and take the rest to her parents in Louisiana for the vacation. I said okay. When she got back, I saw that Serenity had lost her right eye because she had been kept in the same cage with another female hamster (which is something you're not supposed to do after they reach a certain age or they'll fight). I separated them and kept Serenity here along with another older hamster named Grace (in separate cages, of course).

What I didn't realize was that Sarah had let Serenity get pregnant on the trip to her parent's house. Thankfully, she only had 4 pups, and I was able to keep Sarah away from them and unaware of their existance until they were old enough to be separated from Serenity (3-4 weeks). I kept them in a cage next to her's so they sould still see and smell each other, and I let Serenity climb into their cage a few times to visit (which they all loved).

Sarah was curiouas as to where the pups came from, but I just told her I got them at a pet store. I knew if she knew the truth, she'd feel entitled to pick her favorite and that the baby the chose wouldn't live very long in her "care."

I broke up with Sarah about 2 months later, and she never was able to get Serenity, Grace, or any of Serenity's babies (Buffy, Squeaker, Angel or Spot) away from me.

They're all definitely like members of my family. I have a photo album filled with pictures of them. The hardest part is that they only live 2 - 3 years, and I've already lost three of them (a stroke, pneumonia, and cancer). I'm dreading the day when they're all gone.

Back on topic.... Friday the 13th Part 2 makes for a great double-bill with Part 1.

[Darth Sinister]

1. I think Mark was definately thinking a sexual situation, but wasn't sure.

2. I don't think Ginny felt sympathy for Jason. If those were tears, it was probably due to the fact that she just had her leg sliced open. That would be enough to bring tears to most people's eyes.

[sCabbOy]

I think Vickie wanted Mark as much as he wanter her. They were gonna do something because "he manages"...

It also could have been sweat or rain on Ginny's face.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

I think Vickie wanted Mark as much as he wanter her. They were gonna do something because "he manages"...

Yeah, I agree. You could tell by the way she was always looking at him in some of the scenes. She wanted him just as bad. :)

[Rich]

You could definitely tell that by two things in particular:

1. When Mark asked what do you want to play for, and she answered position getting into a sexy little position on the table

and

2. When she asked him if he wanted to stay together tonight.

Basically, when a woman asks you if you want to stay together tonight that is a pretty damn good, if not the best, indicator that she wants you. :D

[driftingsun]

I always thought that Vicki was the sexiest one, in a certain way. Sure, Terri had the best ass, but Vicki had the personality (and she wasn't bad looking either); she had that look in her eyes, like a healthy, sexy gleam.

On the subject of Ginny's sympathy for Jason, I think that during the heat of the moment she was only concerned with survival, and as Scabboy said, she was probably sweating profusely, and maybe crying a little as she was in a state of hysteria. I think that maybe a little bit after her ordeal, when she wasn't in pure survival mode, she could have felt a twinge of sympathy, or at least felt some curiosity as to what really became of Jason.

[Rich]

Terri had the best everything, but personality. If Terri would have had Vickie's personality she would have been a godess. She had a perfect body, that's for damn sure.

[SmiTheReeNs*]

Terri had the best ass by far then any chick in Friday the 13th:D

[sCabbOy]

I dunno Terri's face didn't do it for me and she was anorexic.

Vicki was just cuuuute as fuck. However she was 16 when they shot the movie so I'm a pedo if I comment on her further!

[Fancy Corkscrew]

Hey man, She ain't 16 no more.

[Rich]

I'm a pedo if I comment on her further!

Not excactly. In the state of NJ, by law, you can sleep with a 16 year old with parental consent. :D

[The Tall Man]

I always preferred Vicki to Terri. Terri's face killed her for me (for the most part... varies from shot to shot).

T.M.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

I agree with Tally. Terri had a really nice body, but her face wasn't THAT great. I think Vickie was cuter.....and she had a better personality.

[Darth Sinister]

She was sixteen when the second film was made? :eek:

I did not know that. Unless IMDB got it's facts wrong, which wouldn't be a surprise, she would've been 18 when they filmed the second film. IMDB lists Baker was born in 1962, which would've made her 20 in 82. Back up to what was it, late 1980 and she would've been of legal age in the US.

[SmiTheReeNs*]

I agree with Tally. Terri had a really nice body, but her face wasn't THAT great. I think Vickie was cuter.....and she had a better personality.
Who woulda thought that Friday the 13th fans would look @ personality and face first? haha

[sCabbOy]

In CLm it said she was 16, she had to have a guardian on set-- I think? Or they had to give her permission? But it said she was 16.

A lot of IMDB info is wrong. I have seen handfuls of birthdates 1,2,3 or more years off.

[girlychaos]

She didn't look like a 16 yo though. But yeah....there are wrong info at IMDB.

[Autobotsdie]

Thats sad compared to some of the teenage girls today. The normal teenage girl back then couldn't pass for 21 because of how the dressed and looked but compared to the normal teenage girl of today they can easily pass for 21 because of how they look and dress. Even a normal woman in he 20s back then trying to get a part as a teenager couldn't do it because they looked older than a teenager compared to the normal woman in her 20s now who sometimes look like they are a teenager despite being in there 20s.

[Wheatjedi]

In CLM, Lauren Marie Taylor says that she was just about to turn 18 when she got the role of Vickie in Part 2. It's on page 54.

[Darth Sinister]

Well, there you go then.

[sCabbOy]

Okay, then it was 17 not 16- my bad!

[Autobotsdie]

Yeah well we're all not perfect.

[girlychaos]

I still think she didn't look that young though.....but that happens a lot.

[sCabbOy]

I thought she looked 17-19 ish. Problem is when you get older, well I do this, I can't differentiate between a 16 year old girl and a 22 year old. Im 30 and that sorta makes me feel sick, heh.

I still think and feel like I am 15... and I always have to remember that I can never talk to minors... I still look 22-25 and it seems minors always talk to me. Im constantly having to tell people I am 30!

Anyways, I have bad jusdgement with age.

[Darth Sinister]

I thought she looked 17-19 ish. Problem is when you get older, well I do this, I can't differentiate between a 16 year old girl and a 22 year old. Im 30 and that sorta makes me feel sick, heh.

Anyways, I have bad jusdgement with age.

QFT. It's impossible for me to go out in public to places like the mall or even say a Wal-Mart and look at women. I can't tell the difference in some girls these days.

As it is, I didn't think any of the girls in the early Friday films were that young. I thought that the majority were in their early to mid twenties. 22-26 at best.

[girlychaos]

As it is, I didn't think any of the girls in the early Friday films were that young. I thought that the majority were in their early to mid twenties. 22-26 at best.

Exactly what I always thought. I usually can tell how old people are....somehow I'm surprised that I had no idea some of the girls in the early F13 films were so young. :confused:

[Wheatjedi]

Yeah well we're all not perfect.

Never said I was perfect. I just corrected a number and stated a fact.