The Dark Knight (Heath Ledger passes away)

[hack slash]

http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=6010

Dark Knight Teaser Debuts in Two Weeks!
Source: Superhero Hype! July 13, 2007


There have been rumors circulating around the normal internet circles that Warner Bros. won't have anything related to the Batman sequel The Dark Knight ready to go for the San Diego Comic-Con.

Well, guess what? That isn't so.

Superhero Hype! has just received confirmation from one of our most reliable sources that Warner Bros. plans on debuting a teaser in front of some screenings of 20th Century Fox's The Simpsons Movie on July 27, which just so happens to be the same day as the Warner Bros. panel at Comic-Con in San Diego. Don't be too surprised if they decide to spring an unannounced premiere of the teaser for The Dark Knight sometime during that 10:30 AM panel. Stay tuned to Superhero Hype! to find out more about this teaser, and remember where you heard it first!

[TheShowstoppa]

I don't know if I want to see a teaser a year before the movie actually comes out. Oh well... I guess it kept me hyped for transformers.

[CanadianFonzie]

I saw how Heath Ledger looks as the Joker, fuckin' creepy, I like it, lol, I just hope he does a good job, cause I don't think I've liked anything Heath Ledger has done

[The Dream Master]

So, is WB presenting TDK at SDCC now? A couple of weeks ago, they weren't (which I found hard to believe). Now there's talk of a trailer in front of The Simpsons movie? Please let it be so.

Also, a trailer a year ahead of time is nothing new. The trailer for Batman Begins debuted in front of The Village a year before its release.

Added:

Details on The Dark Knight Tie-Ins
http://www.superherohype.com/news.php?id=6001
Source: batman205
July 12, 2007



A licensing sheet for The Dark Knight was recently posted online, but a lot of the text was too small to read. Now, 'batman205' has given us the scoop on just what it said. Here's Warner Bros.' plans for "The Year of the Bat":

- A direct-to-video anime-style series that takes place in the time period between Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, and further explores the Batman legend.

- Multi-platform videogame inspired by The Dark Knight.

- Extensive consumer products range to support both the new film and classic Batman brand.

- DC Comics will publish an extensive range of material surrounding The Dark Knight including a comic book adaptation of the film, coffee table books, children's activity books and more!


Sounds very cool.

[Alex DeLarge]

But will it be an actual anime, which would rock, or a crappy American psuedo-anime, like Teen Titans?

[The Dream Master]

It says Anime-style, so I'm guessing the latter. It's still an interesting idea.

[hack slash]

TWO-FACE CONFIRMED
http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2007/07/14/aaron-eckhart-confirms-to-mtv-two-face-will-appear-in-the-dark-knight/
Aaron Eckhart Confirms To MTV: Two-Face Will Appear In ‘The Dark Knight’
0 Comments | Published by Josh Horowitz on Saturday, July 14, 2007 at 5:55 pm.
It’s official. Batman’s definitely got more than one Joker to tangle with in “The Dark Knight.” Of course we all know that Aaron Eckhart is playing famed Gotham City district attorney Harvey Dent in the upcoming flick, and of course we’ve all hoped that means an appearance by one of the caped crusader’s most cunning adversaries, but now we know for sure.

“I play Harvet Dent. Harvey Two-Face. They are both in the movie,” Eckhart revealed exclusively to MTV News. Getting much more out of the “No Reservations” star wasn’t easy but he did acknowledge that his favorite scene has yet to be shot.

“There are a few scenes I am dying to do. We’ve done a few…but the scene that I really want to do is in October.” So who appears in said scene? Is it Harvey or Two-Face? We coyly asked Eckhart if he’ll be in heavy make-up that day and, responding with a grin, he said, “I don’t know. There might be anger involved. There might be tears. It might be a cathartic day. It might be a lot of love.”

Stay tuned. We squeezed a little more Batman info from Mr. Eckhart that we’ll be releasing right here later this week.

[Titan]

I really can't wait for this one. I loved all the Batman films and seeing Batman Begins has made me very excited to see this one.

I thought the ending was great in Batman Begins!

[Darth Sinister]

Sweet. I think it's probably the transformation scene. Or the first time we see Harvey's face.

[Jack Bauer]

Or the acid scene when Harvey is splashed with acid by the Eric Roberts' character. Or maybe not.

[The Taff]

Not to stray from the Two Face thing, but perhaps the new batsuit is specificly designed for driving the Batpod. The thing doesn't exactly protect like the Tumbler does, so perhaps Bats needs the extra impact protection.

[hack slash]

CLEAR FOOTAGE OF JOKER ON SET!!!! and other videos

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=F83DDCC8F382BB7FC5D8D6744B81CF5C ?contentId=3789512&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1

[Toejam]

The Joker riding a skateboard, thrilling.:rolleyes:

I am a sad man for having/taking the time to watch those clips.

[TheShowstoppa]

Indeed. The first one doesn't even garuntee what scene that is. Not to mention - Why the fuck would Joker be riding a skateboard in the first place. Gag.

[Geddy Peart]

Is anyone else not liking that only his face is white in those clips? And why is he not wearing purple?

Great, these clips have me sounding like a disgruntled fanboy.

[Killa Pimp]

A better look at the Joker.


http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2007/07/more_better_looks_at_joker.php

[The Dream Master]

I keep going back and forth on The Joker. The first pic on that viral marketing site had me intrigued because I thought it looked pretty good. Then the footage in that video posted earlier had me a bit worried because something looked off. That latest picture looks pretty damn good, though.

[Geddy Peart]

I agree TDM. I'm just trustin' Nolan.

I'm still curious as to why the rest of his body (ie. hands) isn't white as well. Maybe they'll have him wear gloves?

[Darth Sinister]

Since Joker normally wears gloves, I'm gonna go with that.

[Geddy Peart]

I'm also thinking maybe it's a scene where full body make up wasn't needed.

Could be a number of explainations.

[The Dream Master]

Yeah, I get the feeling that Ledger was just hanging out and waiting to get completely dressed. I highly doubt the Joker's going to look like that at any point in the film itself.

[Geddy Peart]

Although it did look like a camera on a crane was filming him as he was skateboarding.

Oh hell, I'm just keeping an open mind until the film is released. Nolan made the best Batman film since Mask of the Phantasm, I'm sure he has a good grasp on Mr. J.

[The Dream Master]

Yeah, I didn't watch the video with the skate board. I just watched the one where he was standing around talking. Didn't Ledger star in some movie about skate boarding? It's possible that he just likes to skate board and someone was just filming him for some behind the scenes stuff.

[Geddy Peart]

That's what I was thinking. He did that film Lords of Dogtown, right? Maybe he just really likes skateboarding.

[Darth Sinister]

Hayden Christensen had a scooter made for him on the set of AOTC, which he rode around on between takes. This could be a similar thing. Or they might be going for a bit of the goofy Joker and have him on a skateboard.

[Lance Lives]

I haven't seen that skateboarding bit you guys are talking about, and while the possibilities there make me cringe, the pic of the Joker at that I Watch Stuff site gets me pretty excited.

[Dave Dunwoody]

Man, I can't wait for this movie. I don't know a lot about it but from what I've read it looks like it may be the best Batman film yet.

[Just Jeans]

It could never be better than Batman - The Movie.

Anti shark spray indeed. :shy:

[Geddy Peart]

There's some rumors floating around now that the final Batman/Joker confrontation may take place at an abandoned carnival ala TDR. It's been reported that the crew is filming near Navy Pier, which is a carnival set-up on a boardwalk. Also there are rumors that a House of Mirrors has been built

If this is true, it's gonna rule!

[Alex DeLarge]

Sounds cool, but I'd rather it not be abandoned or at least not at first. The Joker selling poisonous cotton candy was one of my favorite bits. It'd be awesome to see it in there!:D

[Geddy Peart]

Yes it would:D

[FreddyKR]

isn't there supposed to be a teaser trailer for TDK before the Simpsons Movie?

[hack slash]

that's the rumor

[FreddyKR]

hopefully its true...

[hack slash]

from superherohype.com
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The Dark Knight Teaser Description?!
Source: BDE July 21, 2007


Scooper 'BDE' has just sent in a big one... what looks to be a legit description of the teaser trailer for The Dark Knight that will play in select theaters with The Simpsons Movie starting July 27. Of course, if you'd rather not know a thing about the teaser until you watch it, then turn back now!

I have seen The Dark Knight Teaser. I don't want to reveal everything...

It starts out with the WB logo gracing the screen, followed by the DC logo and the Legendary pictures logo. The screen goes black.

It opens back up as a commercial paid for by the friends of Harvey Dent. We are shown shots of him talking, making public speeches, and walking in a suit, while a deep voice comes on and talks about Harvey Dent. A generic politician commercial.

What seems to be halfway through the commercial, it is interrupted by static, and blacks out. Out of nowhere a crystal clear image comes onto the screen of a blacked out man with large windows behind him. The camera slowly zooms in on him. He's talking (about what I won't say) and as he finishes he begins laughing. Lightning strikes, lighting up his face, as the laughter grows more manic. Cut to black.

The Batman Begins (now The Dark Knight's bat) emblem is shown with the words The Dark Knight. Then it says Summer 2008 and has the website at the bottom.

What is said... is a surprise that I must keep for now. It gave me chills.

And that description gives us the chills! The Dark Knight opens in theaters on July 18, 2008.

[FreddyKR]

I hope this plays at my theatre thursday night. If not, I'll prob go to every theatre in the area untill I see this.

[Melanie Jarvis]

I think this movie is going to be great. I'm kind of hoping that they're bringing in a new female lead. I didn't really believe Katie Holmes as an Assistant D.A.

[Alex DeLarge]

I think this movie is going to be great. I'm kind of hoping that they're bringing in a new female lead. I didn't really believe Katie Holmes as an Assistant D.A.

Holmes's character, Rachel, has been recast with Maggie Gyllenhall.

[FreddyKR]

I think they should have just gotten rid of Holme's character. I hate when they recast people.

[Melanie Jarvis]

Yeah, same here. I would rather them get rid of the character altogether. I wonder why they re-cast it. Was it because they didn't like her in the role, or because Tom Cruise wouldn't let her be in it??? Hmmm...

[Just Jeans]

She's (mostly) retired from acting now. By "retired", I mean taking roles that her husband first approves (he wasn't keen on her possibly making out with Bale, I think is the rumor).

I'm chuffed that they cast Maggie. I've never liked Holmes, I've always thought she was overrated, but I've always felt the opposite about Maggie. I'm glad she's starting to snag high profile roles.

[Toejam]

I heard they might kill off Rachel, and Holmes didn't want any of that.

[The Dream Master]

I'm definately calling my local theater to confirm what theater this teaser will be playing in because I'll be uber pissed if I don't see it.

[Sketch Sanchez]

Y'know theres nothing to stop that anime project from looking like, say, Afro Samurai as opposed to Teen Titans or The Batman.

[Just Jeans]

It'll probably end up looking a bit like The Chronicles of Riddick: Dark Fury.

[Sketch Sanchez]

I guess that wouldnt be so bad either, tho I havent actually seen it, it did appear cool.

[Lance Lives]

My theatre is infamous (at least in my own mind) for not showing trailers that are supposedly supposed to be on films, but they don't show this one in front of the Simpsons, I'll be crushed.

[Darth Sinister]

According to Maggie Gyllenhall, she will doing more with the character of Rachael Dawes. She's putting forth a lot to open the character up. She doesn't outright slame Katie Holmes, but it's clear that she intends to liven her up.

[FreddyKR]

Batpod in action!

http://www.movieweb.com/news/16/21316.php

[The Taff]

Can't tell much from second long views of it driving.

[FreddyKR]

yeah but it's still something

[The Dream Master]

Alright guys, my local theater claims the trailer for this is on all their prints of The Simpsons movie.

If you don't hear from me after tomorrow, it's because this information was false and my head exploded.

[Just Jeans]

I wont be seeing The Simpsons Movie until Monday (my plans for Friday imploded) so I hope to see the teaser then.

[The Dream Master]

I really hope I see the teaser, if only because I want to fully enjoy the Simpsons movie. Don't get me wrong, I'm a pretty big Simpsons fan, but it'll be hard not to be a little disappointed if the teaser isn't there.

[Just Jeans]

I never get hyped for teasers that are 'supposed' to be attached to films, because I've been disappointed in the past.

[The Dark Vampire]

BTW We didn't get any trailers in the UK for TDK during Simpsons

Usually on the very first screening we go straight into the movie so if it's on now I'm unsure still I would love to see it I guess it will be online in a few days

[Just Jeans]

The UK prints were bound to go out without it. Probably because they wanted to prevent it from leaking online before the US premiere. If the teaser even exists. :shifty:

[The Dream Master]

I don't think there's any doubt that the teaser exists at this point. The question is going to be how many theaters actually end up showing it.

And, just as I type this, apparently someone's already put it on Youtube. Not sure if it's legit or not, though.

Here's the stoy. (http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=6067)

[Rick]

From the videos, because they are a good distance away, the Joker just looks like the Crow.

[FreddyKR]

That usually happens to me with teasers that aren't shown. I can't enjoy the movie because all I'm thinking about is "damn, I want to see that teaser!"

[Geddy Peart]

Great, I come home from work late and the teaster's already off Youtube.

Oh well, hopefully my theater will show it tomorrow.
ADDED:
Nevermind, others have reposted the trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNiVYYkzfNg

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=RbBjndT9e_E

Heath's Joker voice sounds like beetlejuice. Which isn't a bad thing as I always thought the Joker had a similar sense of humor/personality to BJ's. I hope his laugh is more maniacal than that as well.

[Sketch Sanchez]

EVERYBODY GO TO whysoserious.com NOWWWWW
ADDED:
ah dammit, its some viral marketing game for the movie. At first it was just a picture of uncle sam with the goker smile painted on it and it had a countdown, I was hopingit would be awesome but it is not

[The Dark Vampire]

all I'm getting is a page asking to to tell my guys on the ground to look up (there is more)

I have to put a password in to get to the next level but I have no idea what the password is.

[Sketch Sanchez]

http://whysoserious.com/images/theknife.jpg
ADDED:
http://whysoserious.com/casefiles/154tmr8121.jpg
k, when the people got to the location, the organizers said to look up.

So they did.

In the sky was a phone number: 800-395-9646.

THere was a creep ass msg

Heres the mp3: http://www.argn.com/audio/8003959646.mp3

Anyway "inside joke" is the first answer
"jack the ripper" is the second answer
Mountebank then Crime Of Passion are the next passwords
"head games"
then
"74 bars"
"Vallandigham" is the password after that
then "Gaslamp Dan Haslam"

THats the most current one, no we wait for the people on the ground to get the next one
ADDED:
http://whysoserious.com/casefiles/226582qr1.jpg
ADDED:
Answers to the puzzles and will be constantly updated:
http://commonreview.com/2007/07/27/why-so-serious-first-answer-revealed/
ADDED:
HD teaser trailer:
http://video.whysoserious.com/TDK_Teaser_HD_Best_L98hufT.mov
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Here's the code chain

"Inside Joke"

"Jack the ripper"

"Mountebank"

"Crime of Passion"

"head games"

"74 bars"

"clement vallandingham"

"gaslamp dan haslam"

"unforgivable"

"baseball bat"

"larceny"

"starve"

"reaper"

"2971759"

[hack slash]

TEASER NOW ONLINE IN QUICKTIME
http://www.superherohype.com/news.php?id=6085

[The Dream Master]

http://www.esplatter.com/images/am/explode.gif

That teaser was made of awesome. I'm so glad I got to see it in theaters.

That just made my summer.

[Zombie]

The teaser was NOTHING! Wasted time trying to DL it. I'm still pumped for it, but come on. They could have showed at least SOMETHING!

[Just Jeans]

The Joker's face is white, but his neck is still flesh-toned? Yuck.

I guess that means his hands are probably flesh-toned as well, and it's not just a behind-the-scenes thing.

[Geddy Peart]

Jeans I've read that his entire body will actually be white. He paints his neck and hands to look flesh colored so it appears he's wearing clown make up. There's supposed to be a part in the film where he's apprehended by the police (I think it was talked about on the old board) and they try wiping off his "clown make up" but discover the flesh tone is is the actual make up. Like a joke.

Or so I've heard.

[The Dark Vampire]

Jeans I've read that his entire body will actually be white. He paints his neck and hands to look flesh colored so it appears he's wearing clown make up. There's supposed to be a part in the film where he's apprehended by the police (I think it was talked about on the old board) and they try wiping off his "clown make up" but discover the flesh tone is is the actual make up. Like a joke.

Or so I've heard.

Pretty much how Joker in Batman 89 used flesh toned make up to make people think that was his real face

[Just Jeans]

That's what I thought, DV. It's like the flesh-tone makeup gag in reverse.

It's a neat idea, but it smacks of a shortcut by the production team to allow them not to have to use white paint on every bit of Heath's body that might be exposed on film.

[Geddy Peart]

I think it's a smart thing. Not so much for the budget but they can do more work since they won't be waiting a long time for Heath having make up applied. Plus, I think it'll be a neat twist and it sounds like something Joker would do just for shits n giggles

[DavidDunn]

"Starting tonight, people will die. I'm a man of my word."

God bless Christopher Nolan.

[Geddy Peart]

Shouldn't that be in spoiler tags?

[Just Jeans]

I don't deny it's a neat idea. But it still strikes me as a cheap shortcut. I'm torn. It's one of those ideas that I'm of two minds about. I need to find a great big coin and flip for it. :duh:

[Rich]

The Joker looks stupid. That is all I have got to say, but I can't wait to see the movie anyway.

[Deathscythe]

The Jokers my favorite villain of all time, I'm definitly gonna watch this. I still need to watch Batman Begins through.

[Sketch Sanchez]

That trailer was great.

Heaths voice was great.

Too bad he looks like crap.

[The Taff]

Teaser did exactly what it's meant to do. It teases.

[The Dream Master]

Exactly. I wish more trailers in general would approach the "less is more" approach. It's much more effective.

[hack slash]

I think Ledger's Joker voice sounds like a mix between Nicholson and Hamill

[The Dream Master]

The thing is, when I read Batman comics featuring the Joker, that's almost exactly how I hear his voice. I think Ledger is going to nail the absolute fuck out of this role.

[The Taff]

I remember the teaser for Batman Begins caught me by surprise. It had some flashes of terrain, with Christian Bale giving a monologue, then a quick flash of Batman, then the logo.

I honestly hadn't been paying attention to the movie, and remember getting completely pumped.

It TEASED me. Less is more when it comes to teasers.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=V5aSmVJIj20

Seriously, it gives no indication of being a Batman movie until the very end of the damn thing. It caught me COMPLETELY off guard.

[The Dream Master]

I wish every trailer were just a teaser, though. They're always way more effective. I, for one, get burned out on those long trailers that give everything away, especially when you see them every week at the theater.

The TDK teaser however? I could watch that shit a thousand times and it won't get old. Hell, I must have watched the first Superman Returns trailer that many times, at least.

[The Taff]

Agreed. Trailers these days tend to reveal a bit too much.

Spider-Man 3 was a prime example. They over exposed the movie, nearly to the brink of death. Though the movie also suffered from a predictable plot, since it relied heavily on Venom's origin story.

Batman Begins and likely The Dark Knight won't suffer from that flaw, since they have an original written story. If I keep myself under exposed again, not reading any spoilers, I likely will get just as satisfying an experience I got with Batman Begins.

Heath sounded fucking awesome, too. His laugh sounded both genuine and creepy. People tend to forgit that Joker's first appearences were dark, gritty, and not particularly funny. He was a full blown homocidal maniac.

[Rich]

I have the Joker's very first comic book appearences in my trade paperback Batman Chronicles Vol. 1. He was a full blown lunatic cerial killer. I still can't get passed how aweful he looks in this new movie though.

[Geddy Peart]

I kinda agree Rich, with the new photo (Joker w/ Rachel) I'm not so sure I like the look. But I hope Heath is so good as Mr. J that I'll come to accept it.

And yes, I love his voice. As I said a page earlier, I think he sound's like Beetlejuice. And I like that since I always thought the two had similar personalities.(Joker and BJ)

[FreddyKR]

This really pissed me off...they fooled me! :cry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vaDxdLvygM

[Spade]

This really pissed me off...they fooled me! :cry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vaDxdLvygM

That was the greatest teaser trailer ever:lmao:.

[Denzil]

Best trailer ever...

[Dogmatic Insanity]

The ultimate "less is more" trailer, IMO:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSpowoKqSzc

[mcilroga]

I have the Joker's very first comic book appearences in my trade paperback Batman Chronicles Vol. 1. He was a full blown lunatic cerial killer. I still can't get passed how aweful he looks in this new movie though.

Yeah, The Joker was a complete fucking lunatic in his first appearances. Of course he has always been a total psychopath, but they definitely mellowed him out a bit for a good while there. Hopefully, he goes back to his old-school ways, making him utterly horrifying.

[By the way, The Joker hasn't changed all that much... everything's still there; green hair, pale-white face, wicked grin, purple jacket.]

[Darth Sinister]

As mentioned, his first two appearences and "The Killing Joke" serve as the inspiration for TDK. So being a pyscho before the grandstanding villian makes sense.

[Just Jeans]

That teaser was awful. And not because of the less is more approach. I like that approach. Heath's voice ruined it. He sounds like he's doing a bad Tommy Lee Jones as Two Face impersonation. :duh:

Really awful. I hope that soundbyte isn't indicative of how he'll sound through the whole film.

[Lance Lives]

I got pissed off after this trailer didn't show at my viewing of The Simpsons and tried to watch a trailer on Youtube but it was in a crowded room and I couldn't hear anything and all I saw were a bunch of cards being thrown on a table. Is this the teaser everyone is talking about?

[Just Jeans]

Sounds like a fake teaser to me, Lance. There's only one card featured in the theatrical teaser, and no table.

[DavidDunn]

I'm not sure of the authenticity of these little gems, but I found them over on Flickr. Fake or not, I like them. The second poster image may be a photoshop job of Batman standing on top of the GCPD car. I'll let you all be the judge. By the way, has anyone seen that new Bat-Cycle? They've got the images over on IMDB.
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m152/Kyle_XY/565452410_5ecb9e2c76_o.jpg
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m152/Kyle_XY/646519453_a230375082_o.jpg
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m152/Kyle_XY/838616708_ea8c121ed5.jpg

[Geddy Peart]

The 3rd photo is legit, I'm not sure about the 1st poster but the 2nd is definitely photoshopped.

[Just Jeans]

The poster with Batman holding the card is obviously a photoshop. Batman's nose has got a halo around it, and it's so painfully obvious that the card has been inserted into his hand that it hurts my eyes looking at it. :hypno:

[Lance Lives]

Thanks for info JTJ. I understand the trailer is on Quicktime now so I'll be able to check it out whenever I get to a faster computer. Would've loved to see it in the theater.

[Rich]

That is the first good photo of the Joker I have seen. That puts a :) on my face...not a death's head grin, but a :).

[The Dream Master]

I don't care what's on the official poster once it's finally released.

All I know is that I want it on my wall right now. I absolutely cannot wait for this, if it weren't obvious enough at this point.

For what it's worth, I dig Ledger's voice on the trailer (especially the I'm a man of my word bit). It just sounds so sinister.

[Just Jeans]

It sounds like a bad Tommy Lee Jones impersonation. :mad:

Still, I'm not going to judge his performance on one sound byte, but I'm not exactly enamored.

[El Rooto]

"I'm a man of my wuurd."

Based on that teaser alone, I'm going to see TDK.

[BlakeTyner]

What was the Joker's age range in the comics? I'm so spoiled to Jack Nicholson as the Joker that it's tough for me to accept this "kid" in his place.

I'm digging the new Batsuit, though.

~Blake

[The Dream Master]

Of the few Joker origin stories that are out there, I've always figured The Joker was in his thirties, certainly no younger than 25. He's a failed stand-up comedian who is married in The Killing Joke, which indicates to me that he's not exactly a kid.

Added: It's funny you should mention that about Nicholson. I watched a bit of Burton's Batman the other day on AMC and I was thinking about how old Nicholson was to be playing the Joker. I think Ledger is probably just about the right age. Of course, there's no way to judge that just yet, but it has the potential to work.

[hack slash]

I believe originally Batman and Joker were about the same age

[Darth Sinister]

The Joker's age is difficult to determine. The only thing that can be ascertained is that he is at least in his 30's in the present day. Though he could be in his 40's for all we know.

[Sketch Sanchez]

Just read this on a msg board, dont know how real this is but whatev

Hey, I've just come from Wizard World Chicago, one of the biggest comic cons in America, something I try and go to every year, but this year was by far the best con experience I've ever had.

Yesterday at a DC comics panel, Editor Dan Didio stepped aside at the end for a special presentation, and Bob Wayne ( I know he has something to do with sales, I don't remember his official title) got up to address some rumors. There was a secret panel the next day, and for the first people to attend the con and get wrist bands, there would be something about a movie, "They may or may not be working on, and they may or may not be filming currently in the city." This went up to crazy cheers.

I got back to the con this morning at 7:00 AM which is two hours before they let weekend pass owners enter, without a weekend pass you don't get in until ten. Longest two hours of my life, and when they let us in, we all lined up inside the main show room. It took us another hour before we were given wrist bands, and a batman t-shirt, with the date of the con, and the bat symbol on the front, with THE DARK KNIGHT IN THEATERS JULY 2008.

At about 3:00 pm, I got BACK in line and waited until six. We had been warned the day before when the panel was announced, that there would be no cameras, cell phones, ipods, or anything else that could be used as a recording device.

Paul Levitz president and publisher of DC comics took the stage to thunderous applause, and introduced David Goyer, Jona Nolan, Gary Oldman, Aaron Eckhart, and Christian Bale, and then Chris Nolan himself! Oldman through Nolan all got standing ovations.

They did Q&A for about 45 mins, which was incredible, but having just left, I haven't let my mind sort it all out yet. Then, they showed the footage. Chris Nolan seemed really nervous about showing footage. He said it was rough and incomplete and uthat he had a hard time showing anyone unfinished product.


Honest to God, I don't know what he was worried about. Any apprehension I had about the Joker's apperance disappeared. He doesn't look like the classic Joker in any way shape or form, and from what I can tell he has visable makeup lines, so I am guessing whatever causes his "Transformation" in this one will be nothing like any other telling of the joker.

It was short, and didn't give away to much, so I'll try and just bring up the highlights.

-- The Joker looks terrifying. There is footage of him in interrogation with a voice over from Gordon, they can't find whatever it is they are looking for on him, "All he had in his pockets was lint, and a knife."

--There are explosions, shots of the batmobile, and what looks like a tube holding the bat costume rising from the floor.

-- There is a shot of the Joker walking down and apparently enflamed city street, laughing and firing what looked like a tommy gun, but really could have been another automatic rifle.

-- Bruce Wayne meets Harvey Dent for the first time,
Dent: "The famous Bruce Wayne, Rachel has told me all about you!"
Wayne: "I hope not."

A lot of quick cuts, the batmobile exploding through a wall of flame, the joker holding Maggie Gyllenhal at knife point, and Batman kicking through the door in the interrogation room from the beginning of the clip, he lifts the Joker over his head and slams him on the table... HARD.

AND THEN...

A coin flips onto a counter next to a glass on a bar, the bartender starts to pour the shot before looking up, his response, "Jesus, Harvey, I thought you were dead!"
A hand picks up the shot, and it is slammed off screen before Aaron Eckhart's voice answers, "Half."

That was it, the crowd went nuts, before con volunteers started running up and down the isles of the pannel with blacklights, and the shirts had in I guess blacklight reactive ink HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA printed all over them. I was in one line or another for about 11 hours today, and it was completely worth it. The trailer and footage were incredibly badass, and I am now looking forward to this movie even more than I was.

[Erik]

http://s234.photobucket.com/albums/ee73/ExLxW/

I've got 19 new stills from the movie that I guarantee none of you have seen before on my photobucket. Some of the pictures might be construed as spoilerish, so beware.

[hack slash]

very cool pics

[TheShowstoppa]

Those pics now have me very very intregued.

[Geddy Peart]

Me too Show.

And it looks like The Sons of Batman may be in the film. sweet.

The Joker applying make up doesn't bother me too much. It'll all depend on how Heath plays him.

[Killa Pimp]

Some updated news:

http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2007/08/exclusive_the_dark_knight_spy.php

[Darth Sinister]

That is pure Joker right there.

[NW77]

Some updated news:

http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2007/08/exclusive_the_dark_knight_spy.php


Reading that it said Joker kill Commissoner Loeb while dressing like a cop surely has to be from Batman #1. Seeing as Nolan is insipired from that. I'm going to post one pic from Batman #1, that will likely be in TDK. I don't know if it's a spoiler or not, so if it is please let me know.




http://photos.imageevent.com/batmanonfilm/batmanincomics/thejoker_police-disguise_batman1.jpg

[King Dracula]

Went to go see Superbad tonight and finally got to see The Dark Knight teaser in a theater and it got a great reaction.

[TheShowstoppa]

When I went to see Rush Hour 3, people got pissed. They absolutely hated it. One guy yelled out "Yeah, like we've never seen the stupid fuckin' bat symbol before!"

[hack slash]

I've seen the trailer in theaters twice and it's gotten very positive reactions both times

[Geddy Peart]

I saw the teaser w. The Simpsons movie and it definitely got a positive buzz out of the theater I was in.

[Deathscythe]

I got to watch Batman Begins two days ago. Holy shit, how the hell did I miss out on this for so long? I must have been living under a rock.

Can't wait to see Heath Ledger as The Joker in this film.

[Scarecrow]

This just seems to be looking better and better. I loved Begins but my girlfriend found it a bit slow and boring and I CAN see how people could think that... BUT I think this film, if nothing else, looks like it could never be accused of that.


- Scarecrow

[Darth Sinister]

Word has it that The Joker will be back for the third film. And while Two-Face will be the main villian, rumor has it that Catwoman will also appear.

[NW77]

I found this link to Superhero Hype forum that someone posted an article from a newspaper he has & it was Michael Caine talking about how Heath Ledger did as the Joker. I'll post the article part & there is no spoiler. The forum can be found here (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=285151). The guy who first made the thread post the link to the article somewhere on the first page.



"And Heath shall never be doubted again.

Not sure if this has been posted anywhere, had a bit of a search and couldnt find anything so thought I'd post it here, if it's already been discussed the moderators can feel free to delete or merge.

Today's issue of the Melbourne Sunday Herald-Sun (Sept 23) carries a brief interview with Michael Caine talking about Heath Ledger's performance in THE DARK KNIGHT, suggesting he could be up for an Oscar nomination for his work.

Here's some of what Caine had to say:

"The worry going in was The Joker.

Jack Nicholson was the greatest Joker so, you know, how do you top that? Well, Heath Ledger's done it and he's extraordinary.

He's gone in a completely different direction to Jack. Jack was like a clown figure, benign but wicked, maybe a killer old uncle. He could be funny and make you laugh.

Heath is like a really scary psychopath. I did one scene with him and he was ready to go and had to come up in a lift and raid our place.

I didn't see him for rehearsal and when he came out of the lift he was so incredible I forgot my lines. He frightened the life out of me.

I'd never met him before. He's a lovely guy and his Joker is going to be a hell of a revelation in this picture."

The only photo accompanying the article is the pic of heath holding the knife up to Maggie G's face."

[Spade]

Heath is like a really scary psychopath. I did one scene with him and he was ready to go and had to come up in a lift and raid our place.

I didn't see him for rehearsal and when he came out of the lift he was so incredible I forgot my lines. He frightened the life out of me.


I like the way Joker is turning out. Sound like they got him done right finally. The Joker is a psychopath and needs to be someone who instills fear in you.

[Jigsaw]

The news regarding The Joker sounds great.

For the third movie though I'm hoping Scarecrow will be involved much more if he's not in TDK or has a limited role. He can't be left in the dust like that.

[Darth Sinister]

I like the way Joker is turning out. Sound like they got him done right finally. The Joker is a psychopath and needs to be someone who instills fear in you.

Yeah, that sounds like it.

[Alex DeLarge]

I hope he has SOME comedic elements though. Even if they're not as much and he's scarier, a 100% psychopathic Joker isn't what I envisioned. Even if it's an EXTREMELY dark sense of humor, I hope he has some. There should never be a moment where he doesn't consider everything in the movie to be a joke.

[The Dream Master]

I'd be shocked if Nolan eschewed the humorous elements of the Joker's character. I think we're going to see a nice mix of dark, sinister humor with the more psychopathic elements of the character. If this isn't the case, the film will suffer.

[Geddy Peart]

Oh, I think we'll see the humor, but it'll be a really dark and twisted sense of humor. Like what he had in TKJ, DKR, etc.

[Alex DeLarge]

I'd be shocked if Nolan eschewed the humorous elements of the Joker's character. I think we're going to see a nice mix of dark, sinister humor with the more psychopathic elements of the character. If this isn't the case, the film will suffer.

I wouldn't be shocked. From what it seems like, Nolan and the writers are SO intent on making sure people think the Joker is a dangerous psychopath, not a clown, that they're limiting as much of the "silly" elements to the Joker. IMO the Joker works best as the anti-Batman, and Batman at his core, is a contradiction. He's both charming and rich playboy without a care in the world, while at the same time, being the dark and broody, psychologically troubled crusader in a Halloween costume. In much the same way, the Joker is a harmless, funny clown, doing childish pranks, while at the same time, an insane psychopath who does the SICKIEST things imaginable, stuff that makes SAW seem like Care Bears. If they go too far on the psycho element, it'd lose that balance and that comparison.

[The Dream Master]

I think they're pushing the psychotic element so much right now in the promotions because a lot of fanboys don't want to see the overly-clownish portrayal of Burton's film. They want them to know that this isn't going to be the Joker you knew from that film. Once TDK hits theaters, I think people are going to find a nice balance because I really think Nolan gets it.

[Alex DeLarge]

I think they're pushing the psychotic element so much right now in the promotions because a lot of fanboys don't want to see the overly-clownish portrayal of Burton's film. They want them to know that this isn't going to be the Joker you knew from that film. Once TDK hits theaters, I think people are going to find a nice balance because I really think Nolan gets it.

Yeah, but will that mentality to the fanboys extend to the finished film?

[The Dream Master]

Well, as I said, I don't think it will. We won't know for sure until then. Don't get me wrong--even though I'm an ardent supporter of Nolan (given that he's directed a few of the finest films of this decade), if he cocks up the Joker by just making him so psychopath that resembles a clown, I'm not going to accept it.

[Alex DeLarge]

I guess we'll see.

[Darth Sinister]

I'm betting that the humor will be dark and twisted, not laugh out loud. Also note that since part of this is based on Batman #1, the Joker was in his earliest stages. Before he became what he is now, rather just a twisted individual who had a deadly punchline.

[Alex DeLarge]

I'm betting that the humor will be dark and twisted, not laugh out loud. Also note that since part of this is based on Batman #1, the Joker was in his earliest stages. Before he became what he is now, rather just a twisted individual who had a deadly punchline.

Yeah, but do we want a Batman that threw people off roofs? Character evolution is good. The thing is, the Killing Joke is their other influence, which makes me happy. That's what helps magnify that the Joker and Batman are the same, both individuals who had one bad day and changed their life forever, spilting their psyche into the new, real figure and the public persona they put on. Here's to hoping! Dark, twisted, laugh out loud, I don't care as long it's some kind of humor that serves as a contrast, not a compliment, to the twisted.

[Geddy Peart]

I think the humor will be disturbing, but in the backs of our minds we know it should be funny. Or it is funny and that's what make us uncomfortable, we're laughing at someone else's pain. But I don't know if the latter can be acheived with today's general movie going public.

[Just Jeans]

Yeah, but do we want a Batman that threw people off roofs?

I do. But then that means I'm not a real fan and completely don't understand Batman, so I can't be fussed to voice those desires when I know there are hardcore fanboys about. :shifty:

[Alex DeLarge]

I do. But then that means I'm not a real fan and completely don't understand Batman, so I can't be fussed to voice those desires when I know there are hardcore fanboys about. :shifty:

Have a bad experience with a Batman fanboy did you? :p I personally prefer it when he doesn't kill, but I have no problem with you thinking he should.

[The Dream Master]

Batman absolutely should not kill, as that's the thing that keeps him separate from the criminals he faces. As he said in BB, he won't be judge, jury, and executioner. Him leaving R'as to die in BB really pushed the line and can be somewhat justified, but I don't want to see Batman callously throwing thugs off of rooftops.

[Darth Sinister]

Batman only stopped killing because he became DC's cashcow. The same reason that Superman stopped being so rough with criminals and let them die without crying over it. If not for that, they would still be killing the villians until the Comics Code Authority stopped them. Then they would start again when the CCA began slacking off in the 70's.

[NW77]

I heard Bob Kane & one of the DC boss decide Batman should stop killing, 'cause he is a hero & not a crazy killer. I know it happend like few issues after Batman's 1st app. that they made Batman stop killing. Probably when they introduce Robin.

[hack slash]

The Dark Knight Crew Member Dies
Source: Reuters September 25, 2007


A crew member involved in the filming of the new Batman movie has died in a car accident on the set, according to Reuters.

The Dark Knight special effects technician was killed when his 4x4 vehicle crashed into a tree during a dummy film run involving the Batmobile.

The incident happened on a property near Chertsey, Surrey, on Monday afternoon.

Surrey Police and the Health and Safety Executive said they were investigating a workplace fatality on a London film set.

[Deathscythe]

Thats terrible, R.I.P.

[Just Jeans]

Have a bad experience with a Batman fanboy did you? :p

The only comic shop within 30 miles no longer receives money directly from my pocket as a result. And the guy is lucky I'm crippled, otherwise I would have beaten him with my cane.

I personally prefer it when he doesn't kill, but I have no problem with you thinking he should.

I don't think he should, but I don't throw my hands in the air and scream like a sissy bitch when he does (to be clear, that's not a reference to anyone on this site.) If I want to see folks killed in the Batman continuity, I can always read stories that involve Huntress.

I like that guys like Batman try not to kill, but I find it fascinating when they do. I like a bit of moral dilemma in my fantasy.

[The Dream Master]

See, if TDK has Batman haunted by his decision to let R'as die, I'll be perfectly okay with what happened in Batman Begins. Given that Nolan has had this planned out, I'm thinking that might be the case, and it might end up haunting Batman if he finds himself in the same situation with The Joker.

[Alex DeLarge]

I personally don't want to see him throw people off roof, not common criminals, but I think there should be ocassions. I mean, after the millionth time the Joker's escaped Arkham and killed innocents, you'd think SOMEONE would step in. Now, I'm not 100% Magog, kill him in the middle of his trial. But I think your comparison to the Doctor once was the best, Jeans. Tries his VERY best for a nonviolent solution, but if there's no other option, he'll kill to protect innocents.

[Just Jeans]

See, if TDK has Batman haunted by his decision to let R'as die, I'll be perfectly okay with what happened in Batman Begins.

Bruce Wayne is just generally sort of haunted. I'd have to say the memory of seeing my family murdered in front of me would take priority over watching a man who tried to wipe out an entire city die (not that I think R'as is dead anyway).

But as I say, I know Jack Diddly Shit about Batman, so my opinion doesn't matter.

Tries his VERY best for a nonviolent solution, but if there's no other option, he'll kill to protect innocents.

That's pretty much how I feel about Batman in general, yeah.

And to take the metaphor one step further, I think R'as was Batman's Cassandra -- everything has its time, and all that. The Doctor could have moisturized Cassandra, but he didn't. Batman could have saved R'as, but he didn't. Why would they stand by and watch the tyrants they battle die when it's perfectly within their power to save them?

Because heroes are just as flawed as the people they protect. They're not perfect, and they're going to make choice we might not like or agree with. And I absolutely love that.

[The Dream Master]

Bruce Wayne is just generally sort of haunted. I'd have to say the memory of seeing my family murdered in front of me would take priority over watching a man who tried to wipe out an entire city die (not that I think R'as is dead anyway).


I can definately see Batman questioning whether or not he crossed the line with R'as. I don't think it'd take precedent over seeing his parents murdered or anything like that, but, given that the theme of "crossing the line" was introduced in Batman Begins, I can see it re-emerging in TDK (and indeed the trailer indicates this).

No matter what, Batman leaving R'as to die in BB is a very, very minor nitpick I have with that film. Otherwise, it's nearly flawless, and I think TDK has the potential to be the greatest super-hero film of all time.

[Darth Sinister]

I heard Bob Kane & one of the DC boss decide Batman should stop killing, 'cause he is a hero & not a crazy killer. I know it happend like few issues after Batman's 1st app. that they made Batman stop killing. Probably when they introduce Robin.

Just before Robin was introduced.

Anyway, the Batman of the comics wouldn't leave Ra's to die on the train, if he didn't know about the Lazurus Pit. Knowing that he does and if he cannot save him, he won't be too broken up because the Pit will revive him. Case in point, in the Detective Comics Annual from 1991, in a possible future we see Batman try to save Ra's from falling in a vat that contained a deadly poison. But he knew that the Pit would revive him, so he didn't worry about it. Later he learns that he did die, but he doesn't worry about the fact that he was inadverdently responsible.

In "Knightquest: The Crusade & The Search" and "Knightsend", Bruce makes it clear that he wouldn't let anyone die if he could help it. And in "The Devil's Advocate", he chose to save the Joker because he wasn't guilty of the crime he was on trial for. Even though he killed many in the past.

[DRE]

I'm sure in Nolan's "Realistic" universe the pit does not exist, and if I were going for the realism he is, I would make it so that Ra's is a legendary enigma bestowed upon any leader of the league and after Ducard there will be another (At least, that's how I would do it if I were going for realism.)

JTJ, the Batman you choose is up to you, regardless of any fanboy with rose colored glasses on (No one here personally, mind you.) I personally like my Batman with a bit of salt and pepper, a Batman that will get down and dirty when absolutely necessary but still stands for what's right.

I love both BB & 89/Returns, and I will proudly say that anywhere in the world, regardless of any close minded fanboy with rose colored glasses on.

[Just Jeans]

David Tennant craves 'Batman' villain role (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/cult/a76431/david-tennant-craves-batman-villain-role.html)

Playing Batman's arch nemesis The Riddler would reportedly be a "boyhood dream come true" for David Tennant.

"I'd love to play the Riddler and be bad to Batman," the Doctor Who star told the Daily Express.

Explaining his love of the 1960's television serial that starred Adam West as the caped crusader, Tennant added: "It was so much fun to watch. I thought The Riddler was one of the most freakish villains, especially with that wild laugh.

"Every morning there would be a new villain - Eartha Kitt as Catwoman with that gurgling meow, Cesar Romero as the frenzied Joker and Burgess Meredith's 'quack-quacking' penguin."

Tennant would be brilliant as the Riddler. Too bad I think the part has already been cast (I'm still convinced that Anthony Michael Hall is playing Edward Nigma). The fact that Tennant is in love with the old Television Series would probably put the Hardcore Fanboys off anyway.

[Deathscythe]

I loved Jim Carrey as The Riddler, I woudln't mind seeing him do it again.

[Just Jeans]

I wouldn't want to see Jim as the Riddler in Nolan's Batman. The clash of styles would be a train wreck (not that Jim would do it anyway. The man doesn't do sequels to his own work.)

[Deathscythe]

Yeah I know, he did appear in the Ace Ventura sequel through.

[Just Jeans]

Which was apparently the reason he added the "no sequels" rule to his list of "Wills and Wonts" when signing contracts to appear in films. Not sure how true that is, but it seems pretty likely.

[The Dark Vampire]

Yeah I know, he did appear in the Ace Ventura sequel through.

from what I know he's got a cameo in Ace Ventura 3 (it's about Ace's son)

[Deathscythe]

They made an Ace Ventura 3?

[The Dark Vampire]

They made an Ace Ventura 3?
Not yet it's in the works but he is listed in the cast list

[Just Jeans]

Ace Ventura 3 has been rumored for a long time now. And I can't see Jim doing a cameo in it, but I suppose he might, as a favor to the production.

[The Dark Vampire]

Ace Ventura 3 has been rumored for a long time now. And I can't see Jim doing a cameo in it, but I suppose he might, as a favor to the production.
If he does even if it's just a 5 second apprentice he will likely get paid more than whoever is playing Ace Jr.

On a side note while we know he won't play The Riddler in any new Batman movies technically it's not a sequel anyway.

[The Dream Master]

I can't see Carrey coming back to the franchise, if only because Nolan will want to keep his films separate from the other four (and rightfully so).

That being said, Carrey as The Riddler was one of the better casting decisions in the first four films.

[Deathscythe]

Yeah Carrey was awesome, but I think Michelle Pheffier as the Catwoman was the best.

[The Dark Vampire]

They need to add Catwoman to one of the new movies just so the last apprentice of Catwoman on the big screen isn't that pile of Smeg Catwoman movie

[Just Jeans]

That being said, Carrey as The Riddler was one of the better casting decisions in the first four films.

Apart from the "joy-gasm" line, I agree.

[NW77]

I hated Carrey's Riddler. He was too goofy & annoying. Riddler isn't like that. He suppose to be like in the 90s animated series. He more of a calm & sinister guy than just goofy.

[Deathscythe]

They need to add Catwoman to one of the new movies just so the last apprentice of Catwoman on the big screen isn't that pile of Smeg Catwoman movie

Christopher Nolan is dead to me if Halle Berry Catwoman is in this movie.

Not really Berrys fault through, bad direction ftl.

[The Dark Vampire]

I agree as I think as far as Superhero movies go she pulled off Storm pretty well

[The Dream Master]

I think I'm going to have to disagree with you there, TDV. I didn't like Berry as Storm, myself. She just didn't carry the authority and presence befitting a goddess, which is something Storm has been considered to be.

[Deathscythe]

Lets just all agree that Michelle Pheffier is superior.

Of the original series, I'd put them in this order:
Michelle Pheffier
Jack Nichelson
Jim Carrey
Danny DeVito
Tommy Lee Jones
Arnold Schwarzenegger
Uma Thurman

[Just Jeans]

Not really Berrys fault through, bad direction ftl.

Catwoman is a real anomaly. I'm not sure how it ended up being such a piece of shit. Pitof's previous film (Vidocq) was a really good mystery/fantasy. It was oozing style by the bucket loads.

[Darth Sinister]

Catwoman is rumored to be in the third film, along with Two-Face and Joker. So, there is that.

I think the reason the film sucked is because no one knew how to make a good solo film. Pitof may have made one good film prior, but anyone can fuck up with the next one.

[Just Jeans]

Pitof may have made one good film prior, but anyone can fuck up with the next one.

The script is an obvious problem, all the style in the world couldn't have saved it... and yet the film lacks any of the flair that he displayed in his previous film. It's like a completely different person directed it. The contrast is just so mind-boggling. That's why I have trouble wrapping my head 'round just how terrible the film ended up being.

[Nick Michalak]

I don't like a goofy Riddler like Jim Carrey. You make the Riddler into some cackling nutcase, and he's another Joker. Riddler is an intellectual, methodical villain. He certainly may have his quirks, but in general, he has best been portrayed as a both calm, cool, and collected character. While Frank Gorshin will always be a joy to watch, it just doesn't work well, IMHO. If you turn all of Batman's villains into campy, goofy, one-liner throwing weirdos, it's just bad Joker clones. That's the main reason why most Bat-fans can't stomach Schumacher's films. It's just Joker-like characters with a new gimmick - duality jokes, ice jokes, plant-life jokes, etc.

-NJM

[Geddy Peart]

I told my friend from this thread:

http://www.f13-community.co.uk/board/showthread.php?t=1070

that the Joker will be using make up in TDK instead of having his skin be totally white, and he said it's sacreligious to the character. He said it in a tone that indicated that anyone who disagrees is wrong.

He also said this right after telling me how Transformer fanboys who rip on the movie because it wasn't like the cartoon need to get lives.

Pot meet kettle.

God, I'm really starting to not like him.

[DRE]

You will find fanboys like that all the time. I especially can't stand the hypocritical ones, the ones who will complain and bash to hell the Joker with a permanent smile because it's not true to the character, but will turn around in the same breath and praise a Joker with a couple of damn cuts on his mouth...because, by golly gosh, it's cool!

[Geddy Peart]

You will find fanboys like that all the time. I especially can't stand the hypocritical ones, the ones who will complain and bash to hell the Joker with a permanent smile because it's not true to the character, but will turn around in the same breath and praise a Joker with a couple of damn cuts on his mouth...because, by golly gosh, it's cool!

Tell me about it. And really, isn't a Joker with cuts like Ledger will have a Joker with a permenant smile in a sense?

I mean the cuts begin at the corners of his lips and continue up the cheek. Kinda sounds like it forms a smile.

[NW77]

You will find fanboys like that all the time. I especially can't stand the hypocritical ones, the ones who will complain and bash to hell the Joker with a permanent smile because it's not true to the character, but will turn around in the same breath and praise a Joker with a couple of damn cuts on his mouth...because, by golly gosh, it's cool!

Same here. I can't stand of fanboys who demand everything what they want. You should see this douchebag name BatSTUD at Countingdown who think any costumes that work in the comics will work in real life & he complains whenever people don't like what he does. He tend to flame them too. I mean Wolverine's yellow/blue costume would work in real life? Hell no!! That costume is too colorful & would look goofy on a tough guy onscreen in Wolverine. :X

[hack slash]

This kinda sucks if you don't live near an IMAX theater:cry:

7-Minute Dark Knight Prologue in December?
Source: Superhero Hype! October 15, 2007


Omelette is reporting that Warner Bros. Pictures is planning to show a 7-minute The Dark Knight prologue featuring Heath Ledger as The Joker in front of screenings of Will Smith-starrer I Am Legend in IMAX theaters on December 14.

Stay tuned for possibly more on this...

[Geddy Peart]

This kinda sucks if you don't live near an IMAX theater:cry:

Meh, it'll make its way onto youtube

[hack slash]

Whysoserious.com has been updated

A clue, a hint or maybe it's nothing

http://whysoserious.com/

[Jack Bauer]

Looks like the Long Halloween Pumpkin.

[NW77]

Looks like the Long Halloween Pumpkin.

Indeed it does. Seeing as Nolan & Goyer got their insipiration for their Batman films from both TLH & Year One. And here the TLH pumpkin that look very much where "Why So Serious" got the look from. ;)

http://photos.imageevent.com/batmanonfilm/thedarkknightimages/TLH_jack-o-lantern.jpg

[JVY2K]

Heath Ledger's Joker won't be able to hold a candle to Jack Nicholson's...

[Darth Sinister]

And that's okay, because Heath is a scary and pyschotic killer. Jack was a deadly clown.

[JVY2K]

I don't like a goofy Riddler like Jim Carrey. You make the Riddler into some cackling nutcase, and he's another Joker. Riddler is an intellectual, methodical villain. He certainly may have his quirks, but in general, he has best been portrayed as a both calm, cool, and collected character. While Frank Gorshin will always be a joy to watch, it just doesn't work well, IMHO. If you turn all of Batman's villains into campy, goofy, one-liner throwing weirdos, it's just bad Joker clones. That's the main reason why most Bat-fans can't stomach Schumacher's films. It's just Joker-like characters with a new gimmick - duality jokes, ice jokes, plant-life jokes, etc.

-NJM

Schumacher's films were geared for a much younger audience. Done so in a way where kids could enjoy them. Times had changed since Burton's much darker Batman movies. Burton's are by far the best of the four, but I still enjoy Forever and Batman & Robin. Just not as much...

[hack slash]

Heath Ledger's Joker won't be able to hold a candle to Jack Nicholson's...

your right Heath's Joker will probably be better than Jack's hammy clown

[JVY2K]

your right Heath's Joker will probably be better than Jack's hammy clown

Hahahahahahaha!!!!!

That's all I really have to say about that :)...

[Spade]

Heath Ledger's Joker won't be able to hold a candle to Jack Nicholson's...

Jack's version of the Joker was good, but not close to the way I'd want to see the Joker potrayed.

And that's okay, because Heath is a scary and pyschotic killer. Jack was a deadly clown.

That's how I want the Joker portrayed -a scary and psychotic killer- because that's what the Joker is.

your right Heath's Joker will probably be better than Jack's hammy clown

Heath's Joker might be better (I'm hoping it will be), but I don't think that Jack's portrayal was that bad. It may have been a little hammy, but it was enjoyable.

[DRE]

The Joker has been all those things, from a psycho killer to a deadly clown to a giggling campy buffoon, and there is room for all. I hate for there to be this need to always compare and compete. I'm sure that Heath will bring something cool to his Joker just as Jack brought something to cool to his.

[Spade]

The Joker has been all those things, from a psycho killer to a deadly clown to a giggling campy buffoon, and there is room for all. I hate for there to be this need to always compare and compete. I'm sure that Heath will bring something cool to his Joker just as Jack brought something to cool to his.

You are completely right, the Joker has been all those things, and as you said there is room for all. That's why I don't dislike Jack's portrayal. While I prefer the psycho killer to the giggling campy buffoon, I still enjoyed it.

[Scarecrow]

The version of The Joker is the thing I look forward to most from this film.


- Scarecrow

[NW77]

The Joker has been all those things, from a psycho killer to a deadly clown to a giggling campy buffoon, and there is room for all. I hate for there to be this need to always compare and compete. I'm sure that Heath will bring something cool to his Joker just as Jack brought something to cool to his.

Word. I wish people stop bringing up "Heath can't compete with Jack's Joker", when Heath will be playing a different Joker. His Joker will be very serious & creepy with no over the top kind like Jack.

And have everyone look at "Why So Serious" site again? The candle is burning & getting lower. Keep watching it everyday, 'cause something might happend once it burn down. Some think we could get a new trailer or teaser poster or something. It could happend on the 27th or Halloween. Can't wait to see what it is!! :)

[Nick Michalak]

Basically, Jack Nicholson's Joker was a wacky nutcase with some homicidal tendencies. I expect the Ledger/Nolan Joker to be a total sociopath with the sickest sense of humor possible. I do see him playing more the torture and torment route than just straight up killing people. Joker's always enjoyed seeing people suffer in agony than just offing them.

-NJM

[Geddy Peart]

Basically, Jack Nicholson's Joker was a wacky nutcase with some homicidal tendencies. I expect the Ledger/Nolan Joker to be a total sociopath with the sickest sense of humor possible. I do see him playing more the torture and torment route than just straight up killing people. Joker's always enjoyed seeing people suffer in agony than just offing them.

-NJM


This is the Joker I'm hoping to see. Yes Joker's been everything from serious to campy, but he's always been a sociopath and above all else he's a philosopher of chaos.

He lives to breed death, destruction and mayhem.

On the old board I once said that I always felt the Joker is the way he is because to him everything is one, big effed-up joke.

Sometimes the joke is obvious, sometimes it's not. Sometimes it's slapstick, sometimes it's dry. Sometimes it's too sick but you know it should be funny and sometimes the joke is actually funny. And sometimes only The Joker gets the joke.

Whatever will get his rocks off at the moment.

And that's what so scary about The Joker. Chaos is random and unpredictable. And just like Chaos, you never know what angle the Joker will come from.

The Joker's insane on a level most have never even considered. I think he's also the embodiment of the worst aspects of human nature because sometimes what he does is actually entertaining in some ways.

[Deathscythe]

I liked Nicholson's Joker, but c'mon its time to let it go. Seriously, we might as well recast Tim Burton as director and Michael Keaton as Batman.

[The Dark Vampire]

Funny thing is if the last 2 hadn't been so bad then it's likely/highly possible they would be still making the same continuity and be on something like Batman 8-10 by now if not we would of got 1-2 more at least before the restart.

I know Batman 5 was planned I believe the name was going to be Batman Vengeance.

[El Rooto]

It was Batman Triumphant...and I heard that Brad Dourif was supposed to star as the Scarecrow.

[Apocalypto]

I know Batman 5 was planned I believe the name was going to be Batman Vengeance.

Against Joel Schumacher.:)

I hated Nicholson's Joker, way too much unfunny humor and not nearly dark enough. I have no doubt whatsoever that the new Joker will be a vast improvement.

[Darth Sinister]

Funny thing is if the last 2 hadn't been so bad then it's likely/highly possible they would be still making the same continuity and be on something like Batman 8-10 by now if not we would of got 1-2 more at least before the restart.

I know Batman 5 was planned I believe the name was going to be Batman Vengeance.

The rumored story was that it would feature the Scarecrow and Harley Quinn, with the Joker appearing as part of Crane's fear gas. It would have just Batman in it and the story would be darker than the previous two films.

[DRE]

I liked Nicholson's Joker, but c'mon its time to let it go. Seriously, we might as well recast Tim Burton as director and Michael Keaton as Batman.

Nothing will ever diminish the impact that first Batman film had on the world, no one had seen anything like it. All the stars were aligned for that film and it was total magic movie making. The documentary on the DVD was fine but you had to be there to really understand the impact (Not saying you weren't, just stating.)

It may not have been as true to the story as Begins was (Which in itself is not as true also) but it was the one that made movie Batman happen and lead the way for Begins and Dark Knight.

And while I look forward to seeing what Heath is gonna do with his version, I won't forget the cinematic forefathers Ceaser Romero, Jack Nicholson and Mark Hamill and their contributions to this great character. All interpretations help us see all sides of the character.

And you can bet that Jack, like Keaton before him, will give all goodwill and blessings to his new successor. The old guard, so far, have been very classy towards Nolan and co. I only hope that Heath will return that class, unlike "Mister Cocky" Christian Bale (Who has every right to be so, but still.)

[Deathscythe]

I agree with everything you say, I'm just tired of people bashing Heath and wanting Jack back. No matter how much I'll like (or hate) Ledger's performance, I'll always respect Jack's Joker.

[NW77]

It was Batman Triumphant...and I heard that Brad Dourif was supposed to star as the Scarecrow.

You sure it wasn't Jeff Goldblum? Or possiblity.....Howard Stern instead of Dourif? ;)

[DRE]

I always thought Dourif would have made a great Riddler, more in league with the Animated Series version.

What I love about Burton and Nolan is that they cast the people you wouldn't expect in those roles, whereas Joel just went for the popular people.

[Deathscythe]

Speaking of the animated Riddler, is it true Robert Englund voices The Riddler in the new Batman cartoons?

[Jigsaw]

He sure does.

[Darth Sinister]

You sure it wasn't Jeff Goldblum? Or possiblity.....Howard Stern instead of Dourif? ;)

Goldblum was mentioned at one point.

[The Dark Vampire]

That's it Batman Triumphant I read rumors that Bret "The Hitman" Hart was one of the guys considered to be given the role as Batman/Bruce

[NW77]

That's it Batman Triumphant I read rumors that Bret "The Hitman" Hart was one of the guys considered to be given the role as Batman/Bruce

What the hell....?!? Are you sure? I never heard of that rumor. That is so news to me. Ever since Batman & Robin came out and became a failure, I keep looking at rumor for the new film on the 'Net. And Bret's name on this was never heard of. Weird.

[Darth Sinister]

I wasn't on the internet back in 1997 and 98, so this one is a new one me. Never heard that the Hitman was in consideration. I had heard that Clooney wanted another shot, to make up for the fourth film. And I heard that Keaton was in consideration for "Superman Lives" since Burton was directing it and he'd appear in a cameo as Batman, giving an eulogy from the Batcave. The only news I ever had was from Wizard and the newspaper. Occassionally from Entertainment Tonight. In 99, I never heard that when I looked on Cinescape's website.

[The Dark Vampire]

I read it ages ago the only bit I can find now it's in the trivia bit on Bret's IMDB page (But that's not where I read it the first time) I know IMDB is full of BS so maybe it was false anyway

[NW77]

I read it ages ago the only bit I can find now it's in the trivia bit on Bret's IMDB page (But that's not where I read it the first time) I know IMDB is full of BS so maybe it was false anyway

Seeing you mention IMDB, I figure that was just crap & not true. Bret would have to get a haircut for that role. His hair been long like longer than his career in wrestling.

[Darth Sinister]

Yeah, but he said that he first saw it somewhere other than IMDB.

[Rich]

I just hate the way Heath's Joker looks. It reminds me too much of the Joker in the shitty new cartoon The Batman. I wihs they just kept his look classic. I loved all the Batman movies except Batman and Robin. I think Batman Forever is underrated.

[hack slash]

Haven't seen this posted yet but it seems there is no Joker origin

Nolan and Roven on The Dark Knight
Source: Batman Movie News and Updates October 23, 2007


Batman Movies News and Updates has translated an interview with The Dark Knight director Christopher Nolan and producer Charles Roven from Kino.de which included these bits (minor spoilers):

- Batman will go to Hong Kong for some kind of "gangster hunting", but Roven doesn't say why Batman travels to Hong Kong.
- The IMAX preview with I Am Legend is the first five minutes of the film.
- "The whole thing is not 'Joker Begins', because we did not tell how the Joker became what he is," says Nolan. "During these five minutes it is shown how the the small crook becomes the most-dreaded gangster of the city - it is more like "The Rise of the Joker."
- Batman's new mask will have white lenses on the eyes when he turns on the Bat-sonar detection.

The Dark Knight hits theaters on July 18, 2008.

[Deathscythe]

I just hate the way Heath's Joker looks. It reminds me too much of the Joker in the shitty new cartoon The Batman. I wihs they just kept his look classic. I loved all the Batman movies except Batman and Robin. I think Batman Forever is underrated.

I like Batman Forever as well, I have a big softspot for it being one of the first films I watched and I always enjoyed Val Kilmer as Bruce Wayne.

[DRE]

Batman's new mask will have white lenses on the eyes when he turns on the Bat-sonar detection.


That sounds rather Schumacher-like. Good luck with that one.

[Deathscythe]

That sounds rather Schumacher-like. Good luck with that one.

Just be lucky we don't have any Batnipples...yet.

[DRE]

Nah, Nolan will never go there. But I do believe he is playing to fanwank material by going with the white sights, which works fine in the world of comics and animation but not film.

[Deathscythe]

I know, I was just messing around.

But seriously, has it been confirmed if Two Face will be on this film or will it just be Harvey Dent?

[Rich]

which works fine in the world of comics and animation but not film

Well, being that the movie is going to be based on comics and animation it is not so bad as long as they take it seriously. I mean, it is Batman after all. He'll have to get the fancy gadgets eventually. People (myself included) excpect it as it is part of the character. Batman Begins was the beginning of Batman so that is why he didn't have that much then, but now I wold like to see the gadgets.

[Geddy Peart]

Will the white lenses be a permenant part of the costume (meaning always visible) or will Bats only "click" them on when he needs them?

If it's the latter, thatr doesn't sound too bad.

[Nick Michalak]

It sounds like they will be switched on and off as Batman needs them. The lenses would probably have some kind of on-screen display for Batman to track someone with the sonar. I would find it very difficult for Christian Bale to do much of anything with solid white lenses on the cowl all the time.

-NJM

[Darth Sinister]

It'll be no different from the "starlite" lenses that Batman, Robin, Nightwing and Catwoman used during the 90's. They would press a button in their makes that would cause these lenses to slide down over their normal ones, thus allowing them to see in the dark. Only there, the lenses were green instead of white when this was done.

[Geddy Peart]

It'll be no different from the "starlite" lenses that Batman, Robin, Nightwing and Catwoman used during the 90's. They would press a button in their makes that would cause these lenses to slide down over their normal ones, thus allowing them to see in the dark. Only there, the lenses were green instead of white when this was done.

That's more like what I was talking about.

[hack slash]

has anyone been to whysoserious.com in the past couple of days?

the candle is almost completley gone and one side of the pumpkin's face has started to rot and melt(just one side of it...Two-Face reference?)

[Darth Sinister]

It's a reference to the final issue of "The Long Halloween", which had the Jack-O-Lantern from the first issue, only now it's half rotted on the side.

http://www.vacuumboy9.com/tlh/btlh1.jpg

http://www.vacuumboy9.com/tlh/btlh13.jpg

[Rich]

But when you go onto the official website you see a picture of Harvey Dent as a regular guy, not Two-Face, so he must "become" Two-Face somewhere down the line.

Also, I wonder if the Joker in this movie will be Jack Naiper or some other criminal turn into the Joker.

[Darth Sinister]

According to what's known, Harvey becomes Two-Face towards the end of the film. And the Joker is already the Joker when this begins. Kinda like he was in his first appearence in 1940.

[The Dream Master]

The site (www.whysoserious.com) has been updated, and I really don't know what to make of it at this point.

[ZPowers]

Hmm, that's interesting. Directions to something somewhere in every major city? Anyone been yet? I live pretty close to Denver, but with school and all dunno if I'll get a chance/have the determination to go out to the Barclay towers before someone else does anyways.

[The Dream Master]

The closest city for me is Atlanta, but it's still a good two hours away. I can't see what comes out of this. The marketing for this has brilliant so far.

[NW77]

I seen many folks over at Superhero Hype forums from many different cities that is listed as part of the updated WSS site will be helping out & show what they find. Supposely people should find letters & put them together. I'm sure after Halloween is over, the site will have another new look. Seeing as the cities search thing will only last on Halloween from what I head.
ADDED:
If you guys look at the WSS, you can see some of the letters are being part together to form a sentence. It's clear many of the letters are pics some folks online took of several place in their towns that has a letter. Warners Bros. are really using a very clever & unique publicity for TDK with this. :cool:

[TheShowstoppa]

I think it's brilliant. I wish I had been able to check and see if Indianapolis had one, because I would have went there straight after work! Oh well - The sentence is quite interesting though.

[NW77]

You guys, the letters is finish. Please turn on your computer sound before you open up WSS. Once you do, click on the part of the letter under the knife. And when you do, also click on the pic you'll see when you open it. We should get more new stuff by this weekend. ;)

[Rich]

I don't know. I absolutely posotively hate the way Joker looks in TDK. I hate it hate it hate it.

[nottidelterrore]

I don't know. I absolutely posotively hate the way Joker looks in TDK. I hate it hate it hate it.

Same here. I do not like the way The Joker looks at all.

I'll still check this out when it comes out though.

[The Dark Vampire]

I don't mind about the Jokers look while it may not be the greatest Joker look ever I don't think it's that bad.

Only problem I have is I have got to wait so damn long to see it.

[DRE]

I like the way he looks, as it is a new interpretation of the character. Open to change.

[Dave Dunwoody]

That's fucked up.

I like it.

[Deathscythe]

I like it too. I also prefer Ledgers physical shape of Nicholson as well.

[NW77]

The new pic of Joker there is very much somewhat a copy of his first app. in the comics. After all, Nolan said he was going for Joker first 2 app. in the comics along with the Killing Joker. You can clearly see the look & pose of Joker is very similiar to what I'm posting between the pic & the comic.


http://superherohype.com/nextraimages/rorydeathkiss.jpg


http://www.mp-shoot.com/comics101/images/2004/jan7/jokerinrepose.jpg


You can see the hands on Ledger starting to touch each like the comic. And the "panda" eyes is there. I like it so far. :)

[ZPowers]

I'm fine with this Joker. I think he looks eerie and I like it. But it's not the appearence I'm excited about so much as the intensely sadistic portrayal, which smells like it's going to be the best television or big screen portrayal Mr. J has ever seen, and the most true to the heart of the character (or, at least, my idea of him).

[Jigsaw]

I think The Joker in TDK looks pretty cool.

[Spade]

I'm fine with this Joker. I think he looks eerie and I like it. But it's not the appearence I'm excited about so much as the intensely sadistic portrayal, which smells like it's going to be the best television or big screen portrayal Mr. J has ever seen, and the most true to the heart of the character (or, at least, my idea of him).

I completely agree.

[Rich]

I just don't like the long hair. The long hair reminds me too much of the Joker in the animated show "The Batman" which absolutely sucks.

I like the way he looks, as it is a new interpretation of the character. Open to change

I'm only open to change when it is change for the better, but change just for the sake of change.

But it's not the appearence I'm excited about so much as the intensely sadistic portrayal,

This I do agree with. I just can't get passed the mop on his head. That to me is not the Joker, and what about the Phantom of the Opera like Death Head grin? It looks like he has a scar and lip stick all up his face, but I don't see the death head grin, which is an image that has defined the character for nearly a century.

[Darth Sinister]

The Joker has had long hair, way before "The Batman". Detective Comics #670-673 and Showcase 94 #1 & 2.

[ZPowers]

It looks like he has a scar and lip stick all up his face, but I don't see the death head grin, which is an image that has defined the character for nearly a century.

He does have a scar. The smile is carved into his face like a Glasgow Smile. And then I imagine he very roughly applied lipstick to the scar tissue.

[Darth Sinister]

I'm sure we'll see the death head grin, when the Joker actually smiles.