Friday the 13th general discussion

[BlakeTyner]

The official discussion thread for the often imitated, never duplicated classic of the genre - the original Friday the 13th. Discuss.

~BT

[Nancy Thompson]

I saw the first one in 1985 my mom rented part 4 and i watch it (2nd horror movie i ever watch) and i liked it alot and so she decide to go and rented the first one and let me watch it. i was expecting to see Jason but It shock me when i found out that it was his mother doing the killings. and also you had to guess who is gonna be next and etc. Great movie!

7/10 stars

[Rich]

What can I say about this movie that I have not said hundreds of times. This was the third movie I saw and the first of my (now legendary) Friday Blockbuster rentals. This movie scared the hell out of me and told an awesome story. It is the very best film in the series, because it is the total package. It had the best story, music, suspense, variety of murders, atmosphere, and setting. This film is a true horror classic.

[Lammert]

The best together with The Final Chapter.

This movie has a special place in my hart. :)

[sCabbOy]

Story wise it's easily the best out of them all.

[CampNewBlood]

It is the best one of course. Betsy Palmer was/is great as Pamela Voorhees. I just can't ever imagine anyone else playing her.

[sCabbOy]

Betsy nailed it. She should have been given praise for her role, but instead people like Gene Siskel talked shit.

[Joshg]

I watched this last week, and I thought the same about Betsy's performance. It was very well done. Professional. You believed every moment of her appearance. All praise Mrs. V, for a job well done, and preserved.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

I watched this yesterday, along with Parts 2-4 to celebrate Friday the 13th. :)

The original has, and will always be my favorite.

[Shoesalesman]

My second favorite in the series next to part 2.

Although Alice wasn't the best looking female lead in the series, I thought she carried her scenes with a bit of sass, especially teasing Bill during the monopoly game and with her tender interactions with Steve.

[Rich]

Story wise it's easily the best out of them all.

As far as the story, I think the first two are needed to tell the complete legend.

Betsy nailed it. She should have been given praise for her role, but instead people like Gene Siskel talked shit

That's because he was an idiot, along with Ebert. Critics don't understand that you can't criticise a horror movie using the same criteria that you use for other genres. Horror films have a total different purpse then any other movie genre.

[Nancy Thompson]

Betsy nailed it. She should have been given praise for her role, but instead people like Gene Siskel talked shit.

Agree Betsy did nailed it and she should had got a praise for her work.

[mcilroga]

Didn't Betsy call the film "a piece of shit" after she was finished it? Now before you all jump on be like wounded hyenas, please be aware that I am not the deity of Friday the 13th film knowledge. I know tons of shit, but not all the details. If this was just a rumor, I'd like to know -- IMDb, among other sites, says otherwise?

[Lammert]

Didn't Betsy call the film "a piece of shit" after she was finished it?

She said it was a piece of crap when she read the script, but she needed to money for a new car and thought that this was a one day fly, and would come and go.. She was wrong.. ;)

[Rich]

Not only that, she dismissed it for many years. Only reciently she started embracing it, because she realizes how much people love this stuff.

[Darth Sinister]

That's because he was an idiot, along with Ebert. Critics don't understand that you can't criticise a horror movie using the same criteria that you use for other genres. Horror films have a total different purpse then any other movie genre.

I don't know what they said about the original "Texas Chainsaw Massacare", but I think they hated the first Friday because it seemed pointless and excessive. I'm pretty sure they liked "Halloween". And for Siskel he was upset because he was disappointed to see someone like Betsy Palmer do something like this.

[The Tall Man]

Yeah, but Siskel also gave out Betsy's home address over the air and asked people to write and chide her for appearing in the film. That's just jackassery.

T.M.

[Darth Sinister]

Yeah, that is.

[Fancy Corkscrew]

Well you know what? Siskel acted like a dick and now look at him.....DEAD!! Don't fuck with Betsy Palmer

[Darth Sinister]

Dude, have some respect. Cancer is no joke.

[CampNewBlood]

I always have wished/hoped that the character of Pamela Voorhees would have gotten more recognition. I think there could me more storyline there with her....maybe in the remake.

[Autobotsdie]

I think its funny when you do that question from Scream: "Who was the killer in Friday the 13th?" and people still get the answer wrong when they answer Jason when it was Mrs Voorhees.

[Rich]

they hated the first Friday because it seemed pointless and excessive

If that is the case, then it is ultimate hypocracy being that they think Evil Dead 2 is one of the greatest horror movies ever produced, when Friday does not have as much violence as Evil Dead yet it has so much more story.

Yeah, but Siskel also gave out Betsy's home address over the air

That is something you just don't do. You don't give away someone's personal address or phone number or anything like that. You could put someone is real physical danger.

Dude, have some respect. Cancer is no joke

Nobody is saying that cancer is a joke. I have two relatives who have died in the past year from lung cancer. Despite all that I still can't respect people like those guys.

I think there could me more storyline there with her....maybe in the remake.

That would be awesome! However, don't hold your breath. If there ever will be a "remake" it will be nothing more then another Jason sequel in disguise. I don't think they will ever directly remake the original film as is.

Hockey Mask + Machete = Marketability.

That is just the way it is.

[Joshg]

I always love it when people justify their liking for Halloween more with "it has more story".

I'm not dissing that they like Halloween more. That's fine. But do you ever wonder? Yes, as a series, Halloween has more story. But for the original's sake, Halloween has no sweet story what so ever. We don't know who Laurie is. Myers kills his sister, esapes from an asylum, and goes after teenagers. Random ones at that. The only other figure is that his doctor is after him. It's laughable.

Although, both are great movies. And yes, they do love Evil Dead 2 more. Ever realise that zombie flicks are loved to death by reviewers, while slashers are...slashed? IMO, zombie flicks are lesser than slashers. Good, but muh more braindead. (no pun intended) :D

[Rich]

I like slasher more then zombies as well. Well, the only zombie films I like as much as slasher films are those made by George A. Romero. I also like The Evil Dead, which is a zombie-ish demon possession movie, as much as slashers.

I also agree that the original Friday the 13th has more story then the original Halloween, but both series have the same ammount of story.

I think what makes movies like Friday the 13th more scary (at least for me) then movies like Dawn of the Dead is that Friday the 13th can and basically does happen every day. Right here on the island of Oahu, Hawaii a couple weeks ago, a 17 year old girl was convicted of murder as she was accused to brutally stabing his mother to death. She wasn't a living dead zombie or even a psycho in a mask. She was an average every day girl who did an aweful thing, kind of like Mrs. Voorhees. That is why a story like Friday the 13th can hit home a lot harder then a story like Hellraiser.

[CampNewBlood]

If that is the case, then it is ultimate hypocracy being that they think Evil Dead 2 is one of the greatest horror movies ever produced, when Friday does not have as much violence as Evil Dead yet it has so much more story.



That is something you just don't do. You don't give away someone's personal address or phone number or anything like that. You could put someone is real physical danger.



Nobody is saying that cancer is a joke. I have two relatives who have died in the past year from lung cancer. Despite all that I still can't respect people like those guys.



That would be awesome! However, don't hold your breath. If there ever will be a "remake" it will be nothing more then another Jason sequel in disguise. I don't think they will ever directly remake the original film as is.

Hockey Mask + Machete = Marketability.

That is just the way it is.

True. But, it would make more sense to have the character of Pamela Voorhees in the remake/re-imagining or whatever they wanna call it...in some form or fashion to explain some of why Jason is the way he is. His background, heritage, family.

[Speck]

True. But, it would make more sense to have the character of Pamela Voorhees in the remake/re-imagining or whatever they wanna call it...in some form or fashion to explain some of why Jason is the way he is. His background, heritage, family.


Not a bad idea. They could make sort of a prequel/remake all in one movie. I would definetely approve of that.

[Nancy Thompson]

I like slasher more then zombies as well. Well, the only zombie films I like as much as slasher films are those made by George A. Romero. I also like The Evil Dead, which is a zombie-ish demon possession movie, as much as slashers.

I though i was the only one like Slasher more then Zombies too.


BTW Atleast Betsy like the Friday the 13th series now more i can say for Kevin Bacon who never talk about his role in the movie

[Darth Sinister]

Actually, Kevin Bacon has talked about it. In 2000, he was on "Dennis Miller Live" to promote "Stir Of Echoes" and they wound up talking about the first Friday. Bacon said that he had a good time. He talked about how limited the budget was, so all they had to eat were sandwiches. And that he would be dropped off a ways from the set, in order to wait for a friend to come pick him up when he was finished filming for the day. Mentioned how creepy it was being out in the country area alone, after filming scenes for a horror film.

He also talked about it in a 2003 issue of Entertainment Weekly, I believe it was. Back when FvsJ had come out. Like with "Animal House" and "Diner", he sees his role in the first film as the stepping stone to his career. "Animal House" introduced him. "Friday The 13th" got his face out there. "Diner" showed that he could act. These films lead to "Footloose" which showed that he can carry a film as the lead. And then it was all good from there.

[Shoesalesman]

I've always felt Kevin Bacon's role anchored the cast a bit; he was laid back and cool, and the other characters seemed to feed off that. He wasn't the nerd nor the leading man, but he provided some great support for the leads.

[Speck]

I'm very glad Kevin Bacon doesn't trash the movie. A lot of big star actors who started out small tend to do that.

[Shoesalesman]

I'm very glad Kevin Bacon doesn't trash the movie. A lot of big star actors who started out small tend to do that.

Yeah, he seems to remember and respect where he came from, from what I've seen of him anyway. Down to Earth, solid guy.

[BlakeTyner]

Yes, I think Kevin Bacon is a good guy.

Not sure if anybody remembers this, but several years ago there was this kid who did a talk show from his living room. Later on I think he got some kind of show/segment on a network, but anyway...he wanted Kevin Bacon to be a guest. I suppose he contacted Kevin's manager or whatever.

Anyway, one night, sure enough, the doorbell rings and it's Kevin Bacon. I think he'd been on the road with his band, and was dog tired, but he still made the time to come and do this kid's program. Pretty stand-up thing to do, IMHO.

There's a story about the kid here: http://www.newcitychicago.com/chicago/2589.html

[Utellme]

Is it true that Kevin Bacon will be in the next Fr 13th ?

[The New Blood]

Is it true that Kevin Bacon will be in the next Fr 13th ?

no:duh:

:side:

:shifty:

[Utellme]

Thats to bad cause i like him as a actor

[Darth Sinister]

The only way he could appear is as the twin brother of Jack.

Anyway, it's very easy for Bacon to trash his work there. But as mentioned, it's what got him to where he is now. Sure, he doesn't attend conventions and didn't do reunion gatherings, but at the same time, he's shown respect which works out.

[Rich]

Kevin Bacon was at the 25th Anniversary convention in Florida...you know...the one that had no Jason actors. For the life of me I still can't understand that. That would have been a huge opportunity to get a panel with every Jason actor and people can go down the line and get something signed by each one of them.

[Franchise]

Kevin Bacon was at the 25th Anniversary convention in Florida...you know...the one that had no Jason actors. For the life of me I still can't understand that. That would have been a huge opportunity to get a panel with every Jason actor and people can go down the line and get something signed by each one of them.

At least at the Halloween 25th Convention, they had all the stuntmen basically that played Myers. It's a great DVD set too. heh

[Ron]

Kevin Bacon is such a Hamm:D

[Autobotsdie]

Are they remaking this one?

[Ron]

probably at some point within the next few years. $$$$$

[Rich]

Are they remaking this one?

They were prepairing a "re-thinking" of Friday the 13th, basically using story elements from the first three movies. Platinum Dunes was going to do it for New Line Cinema, but Paramount and Georgetown got back into the mix over legal stuff and the project, for all intends and purposes, might as well be considered dead in the lake.

As far as a direct remake of the original film as it is, it will never ever happen. Jason in a hockey mask is marketable. A 50 year old woman in a blue sweater is not. That is sad, but it is just the way it is.

[Ron]

i think that if and when they do the remake that mrs.vorhees will be in there somewhere.

[Nancy Thompson]

I'm very glad Kevin Bacon doesn't trash the movie. A lot of big star actors who started out small tend to do that.

Your right about that alot of big stars trash movies they got their start in

[sCabbOy]

You have to understand that most actors usually start out in minuscule roles. They all consider them stepping stones to bigger things.... and I am sure the F13th movies are just that to them- as relevant as a commercial.

Even Crispin Glover sort of dogged his role in F13th IV saying it was his least favorite role on Letterman. I am a huge Glover fan but he has had some shit roles so that to me says he doesn't care for the movie.

[Darth Sinister]

Kevin Bacon was at the 25th Anniversary convention in Florida...you know...the one that had no Jason actors. For the life of me I still can't understand that. That would have been a huge opportunity to get a panel with every Jason actor and people can go down the line and get something signed by each one of them.

I didn't read about that in the old forum. So this is new to me.

[Nancy Thompson]

You have to understand that most actors usually start out in minuscule roles. They all consider them stepping stones to bigger things.... and I am sure the F13th movies are just that to them- as relevant as a commercial.

Even Crispin Glover sort of dogged his role in F13th IV saying it was his least favorite role on Letterman. I am a huge Glover fan but he has had some shit roles so that to me says he doesn't care for the movie.

Damn i did not know that. that's news to me.

[Rich]

I think actors should respect their roles in these movies more, because if it weren't for these movies, half of your Hollywood stars would not even have careers.

[Nancy Thompson]

I think actors should respect their roles in these movies more, because if it weren't for these movies, half of your Hollywood stars would not even have careers.

Now rich i agree with you 100% on that they should respect their roles even if it just small role or a big role

[Wheatjedi]

Well... you know what they say: "There are no small roles. Just small actors."

[Ron]

Well... you know what they say: "There are no small roles. Just small actors."

yeah, like Verne Troyer;)

[Rich]

I just watched this movie tonight. Man Mrs. Voorhees is so damn scary. It is very scary how she was so nice one minute and completely turned the next. This movie was so twisted that way. She was scary in a way that Jason, in my opinion, never could be.

[CampNewBlood]

That's why I think she (the character) should be utilized more......I would love to see her in the remake.

[Lammert]

Indeed, Mrs. Voorhees's transformation from nice to evil is perfect! For those who watched Part 1 as their first Friday, I think you would have never expected that she would be the killer when she showed up.

"come dear, it will be easier for you then it was for Jason..."

[Shoesalesman]

The look Mrs. Voorhees gives Alice when she chops through the pantry door and gives her that smirk... that's pure evil right there. :scared:

[Darth Sinister]

When the original film was done, it was fine not seeing Pamela to the end. It set up the twist nicely. For a remake (shudder), whoever does it won't have that twist to rely on. Besides, if there is one, her screetime would probably be about the same to give more room for Jason.

[driftingsun]

I don't know. I'm not sure her character would have the same impact in a remake

[Rich]

I think her character would have even more impact since everyone would be excpecting Jason and when they learn of his mother, they would all be like, "Holy crap!"

I don't know I think there is only one way to retell the Friday the 13th story the right way in my mind, and that is to not change much of anything. Mrs. Voorhees is the most important part of the story because without her, it has no purpose. Jason would have no purpse.

[Darth Sinister]

I think her character would have even more impact since everyone would be excpecting Jason and when they learn of his mother, they would all be like, "Holy crap!"

No, they'd go "Bullshit!"

I don't know I think there is only one way to retell the Friday the 13th story the right way in my mind, and that is to not change much of anything. Mrs. Voorhees is the most important part of the story because without her, it has no purpose. Jason would have no purpse.

Sadly, that won't work. Jason has eclipsed his mother and thus if a remake happens, they'll find someway to screw her over and give more time to Jason. Which I was trying to say earlier, but somehow fucked that up.

[Rich]

I understand that Darth. I know they are going to choose cash over story telling.

[Autobotsdie]

Still if they made a remake of this film it would be interesting if they made Mrs Vorhees train Jason to kill ala See No Evil.

[Rich]

I think if anything the remake will be more of a remake of The Final Chapter then the original film. I can see them doing an opening telling the story of the night at Camp Blood and then when the opening campfire scene is over, the film picks up with Jason.

[Nancy Thompson]

I think if anything the remake will be more of a remake of The Final Chapter then the original film. I can see them doing an opening telling the story of the night at Camp Blood and then when the opening campfire scene is over, the film picks up with Jason.

Thats what i think too i could see them doing that too

[Lammert]

I just pray that we don't get any weird backstories when THE horrorfilm will be remade.

[Utellme]

Is there any filmed shots of Claudette's and Bills alt death scenes ? I wish i could remember what Bills was Scab will know or someone here will.

Also for the first 2 counselors the original plan was to take place with Barry and Claudette walking around the lake where they get stalked by the killer.Then there was going to be a big chase around the boathouse and around the water,other places too but because of snow which i think would have been cool,and bad generator made them shoot it in the barn.To bad i would of loved to see this scene in good weather or bad.

I hope 2010 brings a 30th anniversary SE DVD with all the extras possible from this film cut scenes commentary's photo stills if not filmed etc.

[Rich]

I just pray that we don't get any weird backstories when THE horrorfilm will be remade.

I hope the same thing. I want them to just play out the story straight. We don't need aliens landing in Pamela's backyard and exposing her to some "out of this world" lazer beam while she is pregnent, thus giving Jason his supernatural abilities. :p

[El Rooto]

This brings a tear to my eye.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ls2oN87U9k

[Rich]

That youtube thing was kind of funny. They have so many Jason things on youtube. I was watching one today where Superman and Spider-Man fought Jason.

[BlakeTyner]

Over the past few weeks, I've been introducing horror movies to a friend of mine who somehow managed to make it into her mid 20's without ever seeing one. We started with Halloween, then moved on to Nightmare 1, then tonight Friday the 13th. There's 3 of us that try to get together once a week and cook and watch a movie. Both of us guys have seen all the flicks tons of times, so it's kind of neat to watch somebody's first reaction.

She did pretty well throughout most of the movie (NOES scared the hell out of her.) When it got to the end, I was actually watching her from across the (dark) room. When Jason pops out of the water, she literally screamed and came out of her seat. It was great. Even after all these years, the original F13 still packs power. :)

We're going to move on to the sequels pretty soon.

~Blake

[Rich]

I think Friday the 13th (1980), A Nightmare on Elm Street (1984), and Halloween (1978) are three films that will never loose their power to scare, at least not on someone's first viewing.

I don't do this often, but I am going to try to be objective here. The sequels are tough because once someone has seen the original film, they know what to excpect. With Friday the 13th the only sequel that lives up (in terms of story telling and fright factor) is Friday the 13th Part 2 (1981). I don't think any of the Halloween sequels live up to it's original, but Wes Craven's New Nightmare (1994) lives up to it's original.

[Darth Sinister]

That's kinda true of all sequels. Not just horror.

[sCabbOy]

It really depends on people's definition of "scare". For me, it's the feeling I got while watching Part III as a kid. Something that was gone by the second viewing and is gone now. Something I feel most adults won't feel when viewing any fictional horror movie.

Scares is another thing, a chair-jumping scene, creepy moments, etc. Yeah, those will never go away for first viewers young or old.

[Deathscythe]

That youtube thing was kind of funny. They have so many Jason things on youtube. I was watching one today where Superman and Spider-Man fought Jason.

Tell me about it, I once saw youtube videos of Jason taking a cruise, going into to outer space, and fighting Freddy Krueger. :D

[Rich]

The horror genre is a genre split up into two camps primarily. Camp 1 is suspense lovers and camp 2 are gore hounds.

Friday the 13th and Friday the 13th Part 2 are unique in that they really please both parties quite well. With movies like Halloween, you have suspense building up to a murder, but once you see the knife you get no gore so the scene basically stops. Friday the 13th does not stop, you get the suspense leading up to the murder and the murder itself is violent, brutal, and gorey. That is why I love Friday so much. It is not one of those one or the other kind of films, it uses the suspense to lead up to the gore and when it actually does come to the murder, it does not dissapoint.

The first two films in this series are flawless at using suspense to build tension. Look at the scene where the cop of chasing Jason through the woods in Part 2. Well, it appeared that the cop was chasing Jason, but Jason led him to his death. Scenes like that really make these earlier films superior to the later ones in terms of fright factor, and let's face it, after Part 2, there was no more story to tell. They had to keep inventind sub plots for each movie to compensate for there not being any more story.
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Tell me about it, I once saw youtube videos of Jason taking a cruise, going into to outer space, and fighting Freddy Krueger. :D

Did you catch the one where he turns into an evil lizard from hell?

[Ron]

You're absolutley right Rich, as usual. This film delivers on many different levels which is exactly why it's held up all those years. On another note, here's a cool little fact for those that don't know : Mother's Day was filmed across the same lake that Friday The 13th was filmed at during the same time.

[Rich]

Mother'a Day was not a movie I liked at all. I thought it was a cheesy mock-Last House on the Left.

[Ron]

I thought it was a pretty good 'revenge' flick right up there with "I Spit on Your Grave".

[Rich]

I Spit is a movie I liked. Mother's Day just never did it for me.

[Nancy Thompson]

That youtube thing was kind of funny. They have so many Jason things on youtube. I was watching one today where Superman and Spider-Man fought Jason.

I have gotta go and find that Vid of Jason fighting Spider-Man & Superman I need a laugh :lmao:

[Shoesalesman]

I Spit is a movie I liked. Mother's Day just never did it for me.

I agree with both comments.

[Rich]

There you go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRuqg2mvAwc

[MaDMaNMaRz]

There you go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRuqg2mvAwc

LOL, that was pretty cool.

[Rich]

I think it was dumb as hell, but that is what made it so funny. :D

[MaDMaNMaRz]

Haha, exactly. :lol: The voice overs for Spider Man and Super Man were ridiculously dumb. :lmao:

[Rich]

What is with Peter Parkings? :lol:

[Shoesalesman]

There you go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRuqg2mvAwc

Wow. :eek:

I'll never be able to watch Spider-Man, Superman, or Jason movies the same way again.

[French Friday]

There you go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRuqg2mvAwc

LOL Great !

I wish Super-Man would have been beheaded. :D

[Rich]

I thought it was better then Spider-Man 3. :X :lmao:

[mcilroga]

You know, I still haven't seen Twitch Of The Death Nerve... I gotta stop procrastinating here, 'cause I want to see the film that inspired Friday The 13th and compare the homages, references, etc. Amazon, here I come.

[Rich]

mci, I'm with you. I still have to see Twitch of the Death Nerve myself. You avatar rocks by the way.

[mcilroga]

mci, I'm with you. I still have to see Twitch of the Death Nerve myself. You avatar rocks by the way.

Thanks, man.

And for the record: sorry for the incident that occurred last week. It wasn't you, I was in a very shitty mood that day, it won't be happening again.

[Rich]

Don't mention it. We all have our crappy days and need to vent once in a while.

[The Tall Man]

You gorehounds will love "Ecology of a Crime/ Bay of Blood/ Twitch of the Death Nerve, but I thought it was the worst movie I'd seen that Mario Bava made... althought, "Baron Blood" was pretty bad too.

T.M.

[Utellme]

Twitch of the death nerve bored me i gave the dvd to a friend cause i knew i never would watch it again.

[The Dream Master]

Twitch of the Death Nerve is currently out of print, I believe, but it is going to be included in the upcoming Bava Box Set (Vol. 2) in October.

Edit: It is currently out of print, but DVD Empire has it for around $20. The Bava set will only be $10 more, and it comes with 6 other films, I believe.

[ChoKo]

I love Twitch of the Death Nerve.

Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

I saw a copy of Twitch of the Death Nerve at this huge DVD/CD store in LA today. They were selling it for $45.00! :eek: I don't like the movie that much to pay that amount for it.

[The Dream Master]

MMM, like I said--it's being re-released with 6 other films in October and the whole thing's going to cost around $30, so you were wise to hold off. :)

[ChoKo]

DM, are the DVD's in the set bare-bones, or are there special features on them?

[The Dream Master]

The first Bava set had commentaries and featurettes for some of the films, so I'm guessing the second one will be similar.

I'd be surprised if TOTDN didn't have a good amount of extras.

[ChoKo]

Damn. Thanks anyway.

[The Dream Master]

I was mistaken. The second Bava box will not include seven films--instead, it looks like it will actually include eight, according to the listing at DVD Aficionado. Here are all the films included, according to said listing:

- Baron Blood ( Orrori del castello di Norimberga, Gli ) (1972)
- Lisa and the Devil ( Lisa e il diavolo ) (Original Full Italian Cut) (1972)
- House of Exorcism, The ( Casa dell'esorcismo, La ) (American Re-edited Cut) (1974)
- Roy Colt and Winchester Jack ( Roy Colt e Winchester Jack ) (1970)
- Four Times That Night ( Quante volte... quella notte ) (1972)
- Bay of Blood, A ( Reazione a catena ) (1971)
( Twitch of the Death Nerve )
- 5 Dolls for an August Moon ( 5 bambole per la luna d'agosto ) (1970)
- Kidnapped ( Cani Arrabbiati ) ( Rabid Dogs ) (1974)
(95 Minute Restored "Kidnapped" Version)
(96 Minute "Rabid Dogs" Version)

Considering you can already pre-order this for $30, I'd say it's a hell of a deal even if none of the films have special features (but I'm guessing there will be some).

[Deathscythe]

So I was flipping through channels and Jeopardy was on. They asked a question which said something like "In which 1980 movie with special effects artist Tom Savn did Kevin Bacon get a corkscrew through the neck?" The lady actually knew it was Friday the 13th, haha.

[mcilroga]

So I was flipping through channels and Jeopardy was on. They asked a question which said something like "In which 1980 movie with special effects artist Tom Savn did Kevin Bacon get a corkscrew through the neck?" The lady actually knew it was Friday the 13th, haha.

What's her name; I'll track her down and marry her... right after I finish divorcing my current wife, of course.

I saw a $250,000 question on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire? once that had something to do with Friday the 13th.

[ChoKo]

I was mistaken. The second Bava box will not include seven films--instead, it looks like it will actually include eight, according to the listing at DVD Aficionado. Here are all the films included, according to said listing:

- Baron Blood ( Orrori del castello di Norimberga, Gli ) (1972)
- Lisa and the Devil ( Lisa e il diavolo ) (Original Full Italian Cut) (1972)
- House of Exorcism, The ( Casa dell'esorcismo, La ) (American Re-edited Cut) (1974)
- Roy Colt and Winchester Jack ( Roy Colt e Winchester Jack ) (1970)
- Four Times That Night ( Quante volte... quella notte ) (1972)
- Bay of Blood, A ( Reazione a catena ) (1971)
( Twitch of the Death Nerve )
- 5 Dolls for an August Moon ( 5 bambole per la luna d'agosto ) (1970)
- Kidnapped ( Cani Arrabbiati ) ( Rabid Dogs ) (1974)
(95 Minute Restored "Kidnapped" Version)
(96 Minute "Rabid Dogs" Version)

Considering you can already pre-order this for $30, I'd say it's a hell of a deal even if none of the films have special features (but I'm guessing there will be some).

I own the first Bava set. I'll pick this one up too, even though I own a few of those already.

[The Dream Master]

Yeah, I got the first Bava set for like $20. It's one of the best purchases I've ever made.

[ChoKo]

They're pretty great, I agree. I own a lot of the single disc releases, too. I'm bad about double dipping. I'm a nerd.

[The Dream Master]

Same here. The most infamous example of this is the fact that I bought the Friday box set just for the extra features, which I'm sure a lot of other people did too.

[ChoKo]

Yep. I own the VHS tapes, all of the single disc releases, and the box set. We've spent a lot of money on this stuff.

[The Dream Master]

Yeah, and a lot of people forget that the first six Paramount DVDs were $30 when they first came out. Part 7 and 8 were a whopping $5 cheaper, so that means I spent over $200 for the single disc releases in all. :eek:

[ChoKo]

As far as the DVD's go, I only picked up my favorites first, and held out for the box set. After the box set came out, the single disc releases dropped drastically in price, and I picked up the remaining single disc releases that I didn't have (which was only Part 5, Part 6, and Part 3) at Wal-Mart for $5 a pop.

Like I said, I'm a nerd.

[Rich]

I bought them all individually. Then when the box came out I bought that and sold the indivivuals. I think that when the next format wins and I eventually get it, I will only get the first seven, depending on wheather or not Paramount makes them uncut and with more extras. At this point that would be the only thing that would make me buy any of these over again...unless of course one of my discs stops working for some reason...which would totally suck (fingers crossed).

[ChoKo]

I still have a few of the single disc releases unopened. I just have them for the sake of having them.

[Nancy Thompson]

What's her name; I'll track her down and marry her... right after I finish divorcing my current wife, of course.

I saw a $250,000 question on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire? once that had something to do with Friday the 13th.

LOL I bet your current wife would love that lol!

but its great that game shows have questions about the series
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I bought them all individually. Then when the box came out I bought that and sold the indivivuals. I think that when the next format wins and I eventually get it, I will only get the first seven, depending on wheather or not Paramount makes them uncut and with more extras. At this point that would be the only thing that would make me buy any of these over again...unless of course one of my discs stops working for some reason...which would totally suck (fingers crossed).

Thats also what i did to Rich. I bought them all individually then when the box set come out i sold the indivivual ones to my Aunt.

[Rich]

You have a cool aunt, Nancy.

[Rich]

So I was flipping through channels and Jeopardy was on. They asked a question which said something like "In which 1980 movie with special effects artist Tom Savn did Kevin Bacon get a corkscrew through the neck?" The lady actually knew it was Friday the 13th, haha.

The funny thing is their asked their own question wrong. It was an arrow not a corkscrew.

[Darth Sinister]

I was going to say that. Arrow through the neck for Kevin Bacon, corkscrew through the hand of Crispin Glover.

[Deathscythe]

Actually they did say arrow, the corckscrew thing was a screwup by me. I'm sorry.

[Darth Sinister]

Actually they did say arrow, the corckscrew thing was a screwup by me. I'm sorry.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g92/darth-sinister/Insults/redforeman.jpg

:p

Just kidding.

[NETRA]

I was re-watching the original Friday The 13th. In my opinion, the creepiest part in the movie is the scene where the girl is reading in bed and hears "help me" out in the rain. So she puts on her slicker and staggers out into the storm to help what she assumes is a child in need.

Great scene! But I began to over-think it and now I have some questions . . .

I have always assumed that's supposed to be Ms. Voorhees imitating Jason. I guess one could argue that it was Jason himself, since the voice sounds different than the one Ms. Voorhees uses for Jason later. But I've always assumed it was her.

Assuming I'm right, and that's Ms. Voorhess, is it also safe to assume she's setting a trap? Luring the girl into the woods, knowing she won't be able to resist running to the aid of a child in danger? If so... Is that out of character for her?

I mean, she's a woman who thinks these councilors don't care. They never pay any attention. So why would she rely on the girl's compassion (and need to help children in danger) in order to set this trap?

And once she realises the girl IS trying to help, why kill her? Isn't this girl doing precisely what she WANTS these councilors to do?

[The Tall Man]

It always seemed to me as if Mrs. Voorhees wasn't imitating Jason, but just some random child... and to answer your questions... Mrs. Voorhees is crazy!

T.M.

[Rich]

She did it to a girl reading a paper back, not having sex remember. Plus, with all the stalking she did, I'm sure she got to know each one of them a little bit. She knew that wouldn't have worked on Macrie, because Marcie had a boyfriend, knowing what they would probably end up doing, but Brenda was alone reading a book.

[Darth Sinister]

I think it was Pamela's way of being creative. She lured Ned to his death by just standing on the porch, knowing he would come check out who was there. Jack and Marcie just happened to pick that cabin to have sex in as the storm was rolling in. She obviously realized she couldn't overpower Jack, so she waited until he was alone and not paying attention. She followed Marcie since she was going to the bathroom. I think that Pamela had spotted Brenda heading her way, which is why she went into the showers and once again tried to lure someone to their death. Only Brenda was too smart or dumb, depending on how you look at it, to go all the way back there. Being creative, Pamela opted to lure her out in the open. I don't think it was because she thought that Brenda might have a boyfriend. She's been watching them long enough to know that's not true. I think she was just fucking with her.

That said, it is very creepy and effective. You would think that a child could get lost in the woods while a storm was raging and was calling for help. Manfredini really does a good job with the score here. By this point, you're not sure what's going on with the killer. It almost seems as if there is more than one person involved.

[sCabbOy]

I say it's less creativity and more.... luck. I'm sure she knew he'd go check it out but it wasn;t really creative as most people woule check it out. If he didn;t check it out what would she have to lose?

[Darth Sinister]

Sorry, I didn't make myself clear. Creative refers to Pamela with Brenda. Ned and Jack weren't creative. Marcie was spur of the moment. She could've easily kicked open the door and bury the axe in her head. Brenda was creative since she didn't fall for the shower routine.

[Speck]

Hey Scabboy, did you ever get that autographed picture of Rex Everhart off Ebay?

[sCabbOy]

Hey Scabboy, did you ever get that autographed picture of Rex Everhart off Ebay?

Yes, I did. 19.99- not bad.

[Speck]

Yes, I did. 19.99- not bad.

Do you think it's genuine?

[NETRA]

Being creative, Pamela opted to lure her out in the open . . . it is very creepy and effective. You would think that a child could get lost in the woods while a storm was raging and was calling for help.

But my question was WHY. I mean, why did she choose that particular way to lure her into the rain? Why would she think putting a child in danger would lure in a camp councilor . . . considering her opinion of them (and her motive for killing them) is that they DON'T help kids? It seems odd to me. It's like she's taking advantage of the kindness of someone she thinks deserves to die for not being kind.

[Just Jeans]

But my question was WHY.

Because Pamela is unhinged, and unhinged people don't do logical things. It's apparent from the out that Pamela's wrath is fueled by insanity.

This reminds me of something I've been thinking about lately -- I've always felt that Pamela was a good candidate for the mantle of Unreliable Narrator. Ultimately, we've only got her word that no one was watching while Jason drowned. For all we know, that's just a delusion to justify her actions to herself. It could be that at least one person dove in to try and help Jason, but they couldn't save him. In a fit of insane rage, Pamela decided that they must have let Jason down, and so she goes on a murderous rampage.

Whatever the case, I think Pamela used that small child ploy to draw someone out because she knew, deep down, that not everyone she's killed were heartless or indifferent.

[sCabbOy]

Do you think it's genuine?

It looks it. It's an OLD signature, probably from the mid 80's. The pic is yellowed and the signature looks old... so unless someone was forging Rex Everhart's sig back them I am confident it's real.

http://scabboy.net/collect/rexev.jpg

[Shoesalesman]

This reminds me of something I've been thinking about lately -- I've always felt that Pamela was a good candidate for the mantle of Unreliable Narrator. Ultimately, we've only got her word that no one was watching while Jason drowned. For all we know, that's just a delusion to justify her actions to herself.

Hmmm... never thought of it like that. Interesting.

[The Tall Man]

Actually, I'd been screaming that for a long time. ^^^

"Why are you listening to a crazy woman?"

T.M.

[Rich]

What you say makes a lot of sense about her maybe not being an accurate narrator, but I personally take what she says as canon. I mean, that is how these kind of movies tell the story, through character conversation. It is basically all you have to go on.

[The Tall Man]

Rich, but then Friday 2 comes out and says "No Jason didn't actually drown" which negates what Pam said in Friday 1... and then Friday 2-4 go on and play it off that way. Then the series just wouldn't make up its mind (writers not paying attention) whether or not Jason drowned (6, yes he did; 9, no he didn't; 11, yes...)

T.M.

[sCabbOy]

I wouldn't say it negates what she said. Mrs. V still thought he drown and so everything she said and did was valid on her part.

[Darth Sinister]

But my question was WHY. I mean, why did she choose that particular way to lure her into the rain? Why would she think putting a child in danger would lure in a camp councilor . . . considering her opinion of them (and her motive for killing them) is that they DON'T help kids? It seems odd to me. It's like she's taking advantage of the kindness of someone she thinks deserves to die for not being kind.

Insanity has no logic to it. She didn't think that camp counslers didn't help kids. She just blamed those two for slacking off on their duties and transfered her feelings for those particular two on everyone else she ever killed. Save for Steve Christy and that's because he's trying to reopen the camp. She had apparently intended to take Brenda down at the archery range, rather than muscle her way in like her son does later on. To get her there, she chose to lure into the night and kill her when she isn't expecting it. Just as she shut off the generator in order to bring Bill to her.

[sCabbOy]

Once Mrs. V started to kill the counselors at CCL, I think it was more based on her not wanting them to reopen the camp. Previous attempts were successful and this time she probably felt that it was going to happen unless she stopped them the way she did. I don't think Mrs V was insane, well not as much as people give her credit for. Most serial killers are deemed sane, if you can pre-meditate killings chances are you are sane.

[Just Jeans]

What you say makes a lot of sense about her maybe not being an accurate narrator, but I personally take what she says as canon.

If you take everything she says at face value, you strip what little depth there is to be found in the character's motivations.

Mind you, I believe that Pamela believes it went down the way she describes (thus making it the key motivation, or spark, for her murdering spree) but that doesn't mean that it actually did.

I don't think Mrs V was insane, well not as much as people give her credit for. Most serial killers are deemed sane, if you can pre-meditate killings chances are you are sane.

Never mind the attempts to keep the camp closed and the murders. Sure, someone who is sane might just do those things. But Pamela talks to herself in her dead son's voice. I think what we see on screen makes it pretty clear that she's unhinged, possibly even schizophrenic. Her tendency to talk to herself as Jason isn't entirely unlike Norman Bates and his own psychosis.

Insane doesn't equate mentally handicapped.

[sCabbOy]

Insane doesn't equate mentally handicapped.

True, but schizophrenia isn't insanity, it's a mental handicap. I'm not saying the lady had a screw loose, I just feel she was very able to make stable decisions and if she went to court she would have been deemed able to stand trial- aka sane.

[NETRA]

Then the series just wouldn't make up its mind (writers not paying attention) whether or not Jason drowned .

True but I never minded this. The early movies were basically camp fire legends. I have attended a few different summer camps and heard many stories while roasting marshmallows. Sometimes I'd hear a repeat of a story someone else told at a different camp. The main details were always the same but minor details change. In this case, nobody can agree on whether Jason really drowned or not. All we know for sure is that he's out there. He just IS. I'd rather never know for sure what happened. Too much info ruins the campfire feel.

Once Mrs. V started to kill the counselors at CCL, I think it was more based on her not wanting them to reopen the camp.

Yeah, she even says, "I couldn't let them reopen this place, could I?" But she also said to Alice, "You let him drown. You weren't paying any attention." That indicates that she sees EVERY camp councilor as an extension of the ones that let Jason drown.

"Why are you listening to a crazy woman?"

I guess I'm used to long phone calls from my step-mom.

[Just Jeans]

True, but schizophrenia isn't insanity, it's a mental handicap.

It’s a mental illness, but it doesn’t necessarily handicap the victim. Some people are capable of functioning in the real word in spite of the illness, while others may become near comatose and mute. It presents with different degrees of severity.

I'm not saying the lady had a screw loose, I just feel she was very able to make stable decisions…

Stable decisions do not a sane person make.

...and if she went to court she would have been deemed able to stand trial- aka sane.

Possibly. But I rather think she’d be deemed able to stand try out of sheer anger/fear/et cetera. They’re not going to want to let a psychopath like that walk loose, so the best thing to do would be to lock them in a proper prison (rather than a medical home) or fill her veins with poison.

But a competent defense attorney would almost certainly send Pamela for psychiatric evaluation, which would very probably discover more than a few skeletons in the old Voorhees closet, one of which being that mommy has always been unhinged (I expect Elias’ reasons for leaving her were more to do with her poor mental state than Jason’s hydrocephalic head, but that’s just postulation. I really wish they had gotten around to introducing him in the franchise.)

But she also said to Alice, "You let him drown. You weren't paying any attention."

Another point for "Just Not Right in the Head".

[sCabbOy]

That's what I was saying. I believe that Mrs. V was schizophrenic and at worst a little sociopathic and not "insane", or at least medically/criminally insane.

[Rich]

Actually Friday 2 never said no he didn't drown. It left it open to either possability. I simply take the Jason did drown and returned from the dead as canon in my brain.

[Just Jeans]

True, but schizophrenia isn't insanity, it's a mental handicap.

I believe that Mrs. V was schizophrenic and at worst a little sociopathic and not "insane", or at least medically/criminally insane.

Insanity isn't a disease unto itself. Schizophrenia is a medically acknowledged form of insanity (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,764766-1,00.html).

[sCabbOy]

Insanity isn't a disease unto itself. Schizophrenia is a medically acknowledged form of insanity (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,764766-1,00.html).

But do you call people with Schizophrenia insane? If someone with it killed someone you better believe they wouldn't be found medically insane and unfit for trial. THAT's what I have been saying. Obviously there are differing degrees to it and I don't think Mrs V's "schizophrenia" was as bad as.... Ed Gein's. Mrs V. planned and executed her massacre, and planned it for years. Insane people don't do that.

Most people with it take meds and have no problems with it.

[Darth Sinister]

The thing to remember is that Hollywood tends to, especially when the first film was made, combine both schizophrenia with DID. I don't think Victor Miller put too much thought in the research on how to describe someone like Pamela. He just went with the basics. The way I see it is that she was lucid, but when around teenagers and 20 somethings, she tended to become more agressive than around people her own age. But Pamela didn't plan it for years. When the anniversary of her son's death occured, which was right after the camp re-opened, she went out and killed. No real plan other than going in, killing and then getting back out. She did plan when she caught the place on fire and polluted the water. When it came to the present day, it depends on how long she was aware of the camp re-opening. Most people didn't seem to know about it, given the various reactions in town. Only Pamela, the police, Steve, Alice, Ned, Annie, Marcie, Jack, Brenda, Bill and Ralph knew about prior to Annie's arriving in town. That whole day, as far as we know, she planned most of her actions out. Except for Annie, that was just happenstance.

Would I call a schizophrenic insane? I dunno.

[Rich]

It is very simple really. I think you guys are trying to make it more complicated then it is. You are over thinking. She did not want the camp to re-open...period. The put stuff in the water and set fires and committed murders to make people affraid of the place so it never re-opens. Steve Christy was not scared by the histroy. Despite two murders, arson, and bad water and ramblings of the town's people, he still went ahead with the re-opening, so Pamela did what she had to do to keep the place closed. It was only as she was telling Alice the story of Jason drowning that she started to go crazy. It is almost like seeing the memory in her head is what drove her to the point she was at during the end of the movie.

[NETRA]

You are over thinking. She did not want the camp to re-open...period. . . . It was only as she was telling Alice the story of Jason drowning that she started to go crazy.

My opinion differs. If it were only about keeping the camp closed, she could have found a less deadly way to do it (as she had in the past with the water and such). But I think she chose to kill this time because of revenge. This was a mother scorned and she blamed the councilors. She saw all of them as an extension of the ones who let Jason drown. I think she was "crazy" (whether legally or not) from the day he died.

[Rich]

It was vengence as well don't get me wrong, but she did try less deadly ways and it did not work.

1958 - She murders two people, still no doubt enraged about what happened to her son a year ago.

The pain would get less as time goes on. When she hears about the camp re-opening she poisoned the water. Then she set fires. Som she obviously was not against trying other means besides murder. Her first murders came out of the rage of what just happened a year before.

After the murders, arson, and other crime, the place got a bad rep and people were affraid of it. Then Steve Christy comes along to re-open the camp and he can not be persuaded by the place's history or rep. He was going ahead with it, so she simply did what she had to do.

[Just Jeans]

But do you call people with Schizophrenia insane?

Seeing as it's a medically recognized form of insanity, I'd have to say yes. It seems silly not to.

But whether she's suffering from schizophrenia or not, I'd says anyone who talks to themselves in the voice of their dead son (and then accuses a camp consoler who's never even heard of Jason of letting him drown) is just a few playing cards short of a full deck.

I think you guys are trying to make it more complicated then it is.

I don't find the idea of Pamela as a paranoid schizophrenic at all complicated, but I do find it more interesting.

Insane people don't do that.

Insanity doesn't equal incompetent/stupid. Given that I've seen it first hand, I think it's perfectly possible for an insane person to plan ahead.

[NETRA]

The pain would get less as time goes on.

Unless his death drove her mad... Then it might only intensify over time. Just like in PSYCHO.

When she hears about the camp re-opening she poisoned the water. Then she set fires. So she obviously was not against trying other means besides murder.

Or perhaps there were just no councilors to kill those times. Steve was only 2 weeks from opening so he had a staff on hand. Maybe the previous owners never got that far.

[Rich]

Excactly, they never got that far because of the bad water and fires. By the late 1970s the place had such a bad rep (death curse, camp blood) that Mrs. Voorhees thought nobody will ever open it now. THe ghost stories did not scare Steve from opening it, however, so Mrs. Voorhees knew what she had to do in order to keep the place shut and deter future possable investors. She had to confirm the place's death curse.

[JVY2K]

I like to think Pamela was just driven mad by the early death of her son. That and everything she dealt with before. A young pregnancy, giving birth to a deformed child (I opt to think Jason was NOT retarded) and having a father who she obviously loved at the time vanish from the scene. That and his death when she had done such a good job raising him would be enough to fuck anybody up. There's been many cases where mother's who've lost their children go a bit crazy...I like to think though that she was a good mother up until that point. I don't like the way FvsJ makes it seem like she was a wicked and evil woman right from the get go. I let that slide though as Freddy's own interpretation of what he thought she'd be like...

[Rich]

I let that slide though as Freddy's own interpretation of what he thought she'd be like

That is excactly what it is. Pamela is in no way shaoe or form in FVJ at all. It was Freddy the whole time.

[James M]

Check it out, a TV spot from 1980.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4ySBRbVwG1M

[Nancy Thompson]

Check it out, a TV spot from 1980.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4ySBRbVwG1M

Great Fine James! Gonna go there now and see it
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That is excactly what it is. Pamela is in no way shaoe or form in FVJ at all. It was Freddy the whole time.

Your right about that Rich that is not Pamela but only Freddy. Also they could had got someone that look like Besty to play the role but i guess they wanted someone that look like Freddy in the face.

[The Tall Man]

Yes, Nancy. Yu said that in the audio commentary.

T.M.

[sCabbOy]

Should hav just put Englund in a wig, he's done it before haha

[The Tall Man]

Was I alone in thinking, until recently, the hall monitor in Nightmare 1 was Englund in drag?

T.M.

[Deathscythe]

Didn't Englund dress a nurse during a scene in Nightmare 4?

[sCabbOy]

Yeah he was the old nurse :D

[Rich]

"Feeling better now?" :lol: Why don't we just put a dress on the guy and call him Roberta? :lmao:

[Darth Sinister]

Was I alone in thinking, until recently, the hall monitor in Nightmare 1 was Englund in drag?

T.M.

Yes, you were alone. :brow:

[sCabbOy]

She sorta looked like him. She's a pretty well known stuntwoman now, BTW.

[The Tall Man]

Yes, you were alone. :side:
What's with the look?

T.M.
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Holy fucknuts! Last night was the absolute WORST presentation of "Friday the 13th" I've ever seen. While they used an actual film print, the fuckin' thing actually had to have been from 1980! The print was scratched all to hell and frame skips littered the film. It was like "Grindhouse Presents Friday the 13th". The sound was godawful (appeared to be mono as the sound was coming from the front of the theater and nowhere close to the speakers near me) and garbled. Even paying attention you couldn't tell what the actors were saying most of the time. I always stay during the end titles because I paid for 100% of the movie, not 98% (though these days it's more like 93%), but last night I just couldn't. I was pissed off enough at the print and couldn't bring myself to listen to Manfredini's excellent end title theme garbled like that. The print itself is the worst I've ever seen Friday look, even worse than the original VHS release. There were no blacks in the print at all... merely varying shades of grey and brown. Awful, just awful.

The audience was equally as bad... only 20 of us. Two people actually got up and left halfway through. But the worst part is that they laughed the movie off the screen. Anytime Steve Christie showed up, laughs. Ax to the face? laughs. Pam goes on a Jason tirade? Laughs. Pam speaks in Jason's voice? Laughs. Pam beheaded? Laughs.

Kids...

Anyway, definitely not worth my $8.75. They should've just projected the damned DVD.

T.M.

[sCabbOy]

You're right, if the print isn't good use the DVD.

Sad they laughed it off, sad.

[girlychaos]

Yes, that's just stupid IMO. Why would you even go to the movies knowing (or at least expecting) what you'd see and laugh it off?
It doesn't make sense, some people just don't know what the word "respect" means (gosh, I sounded like an old lady now...but it's true).

[Darth Sinister]

What's with the look?

I used the wrong icon. I found the one I was looking for and changed it.

T.M.
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Holy fucknuts! Last night was the absolute WORST presentation of "Friday the 13th" I've ever seen. While they used an actual film print, the fuckin' thing actually had to have been from 1980! The print was scratched all to hell and frame skips littered the film. It was like "Grindhouse Presents Friday the 13th". The sound was godawful (appeared to be mono as the sound was coming from the front of the theater and nowhere close to the speakers near me) and garbled. Even paying attention you couldn't tell what the actors were saying most of the time. I always stay during the end titles because I paid for 100% of the movie, not 98% (though these days it's more like 93%), but last night I just couldn't. I was pissed off enough at the print and couldn't bring myself to listen to Manfredini's excellent end title theme garbled like that. The print itself is the worst I've ever seen Friday look, even worse than the original VHS release. There were no blacks in the print at all... merely varying shades of grey and brown. Awful, just awful.

The audience was equally as bad... only 20 of us. Two people actually got up and left halfway through. But the worst part is that they laughed the movie off the screen. Anytime Steve Christie showed up, laughs. Ax to the face? laughs. Pam goes on a Jason tirade? Laughs. Pam speaks in Jason's voice? Laughs. Pam beheaded? Laughs.

Kids...

Anyway, definitely not worth my $8.75. They should've just projected the damned DVD.

T.M.

Yeah, that's pretty bad that they wouldn't use the DVD. But I'm not surprised people laughed at the film. It's a sign that our society today is not the same as we were in the day. I think that's why the remakes are done. Besides, if you really stop to think about it, some of the people are stupid. Marcie just stands there and screams, right before the ax is buried in her head. "Scream" and the more modern horror films have painted a different picture for today's audiences for what a slasher horror film should be.

As to laughing at Steve, he almost looks like a 70's porn star.

[sCabbOy]

it's that 70's porn mustache!

[Deathscythe]

Thats basically the reason I don't care to see H4/H5 in the cinema. That and I never liked H5 anyway.

[Rich]

You're right, if the print isn't good use the DVD

I don't know why a theater wouldn't use the dvd. They have the capability to do so, especially the new digital theaters.

I'm sorry you had such a bad experience Tall.

Sad they laughed it off, sad

some people just don't know what the word "respect" means

People (at least some) do have respect. Kids on the other hand...today's little cock snots have no respect for anything unless it has blood every thirty seconds and gore that looks like one of their stupid little video games.

[sCabbOy]

Working in an industry that caters to teens I can agree that most teens have no respect for adults or authority. They all feel like they have something to prove. So many of them are disrespectful asses, or at least the majority of the ones we serve.

I think saying you are showing a real 35mm print of a movie may be more appealing to some crowds. However if that print is shitty it may not be a good idea. Is it illegal for theaters to show the DVD to a large paying crowd? Anyone know the legalities around that?

[MaDMaNMaRz]

it's that 70's porn mustache!

LMAO! :lol: I always thought he looked like a 70's porn star

[Melanie Jarvis]

He totally had a pornstache. But Steve Christy sure was smokin in those shorts.

[sCabbOy]

Speaking of shorts... man Jack's banana hammock was rocking.

[Melanie Jarvis]

Gotta love Kevin Bacon's bacon.

[The Tall Man]

Oh shit! Did any of you ever notice this before because I never did until I saw it the other night:

the truck that bring Kevin Bacon to the camp has a copy of "The Godfather" on the dashboard.

T.M.

[Melanie Jarvis]

Never noticed it, but I will be looking for it the next time I watch it.

[Deathscythe]

Nother noticed it either. To be honest I never even knew that was Kevin Bacon until someone told me like 1 or 2 years ago.

[Melanie Jarvis]

Haha, it says it in the credits. Oh well, I wasn't even aware who Fisher Stevens (The Burning) was until I let it process through my mind.

[Chex]

Good catch, Tall Man.

[Deathscythe]

Haha, it says it in the credits. Oh well, I wasn't even aware who Fisher Stevens (The Burning) was until I let it process through my mind.

I rarely read the credits back than, now for some reason I always do.

[Rich]

Is it illegal for theaters to show the DVD to a large paying crowd? Anyone know the legalities around that?

DVDs always say for private use only, but I remember when I was in NJCU they were doing a Halloween horror marathon playing horror films, they were able to show the dvds to a large audience, but had to get permission from the studios of the movies. I know if you get permission from he studio you can. It is probably hard though. I don't know, because we were a college. It may be harder for a theater to do so without the studio wanting a piece of the pie, so who knows.

[Darth Sinister]

Oh shit! Did any of you ever notice this before because I never did until I saw it the other night:

the truck that bring Kevin Bacon to the camp has a copy of "The Godfather" on the dashboard.

T.M.

Never saw that before either.

Nother noticed it either. To be honest I never even knew that was Kevin Bacon until someone told me like 1 or 2 years ago.

Have you watched many Kevin Bacon films? How could you not know that was him? Save for the hair length and a few age lines, he looks the same now as he did then.

[Deathscythe]

Nope, Friday the 13th is the only Kevin Bacon film I've seen.

[Darth Sinister]

Ah, that explains it. You're missing out on some good films.

[Deathscythe]

Well anyway, I did find this:

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/9631/162828baconley1.jpg

Best death in whole film.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

Well anyway, I did find this:

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/9631/162828baconley1.jpg

Best death in whole film.

I agree. Jack's death is actually my favorite death in the whole series, i'd say. :)

[Spade]

Best death in whole film.

I completely agree. It's the best death in the movie and one of the best in the whole franchise.

[sCabbOy]

Easily the best in the movie, but I like Andy's death more than Jack's.

[Rich]

You know. I don't like many deaths in Friday 3. Andy, Debbie, Harold, and Rick's death all seemed very fake and cartoonish and just were not convincing.

As far as Friday 1, I think all the deaths in that movie are perfect and convincing, especially Mrs. Voorhees (best decapitation on film even to this day).

[sCabbOy]

I dunno, I think the way Andy died was sorta silly but it looked good IMO. Even though it didn't show much I think it was brilliantly cut to make it look like you saw it. As for Debbie's I thought that was well done. It should have been cut shorter though.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

I liked Andy's and Debbie's deaths. The only one I didn't really like was Chuck's. That one was probably one of the worst in the series, IMO.

[sCabbOy]

Chuck's was cut though, I wish I could see the original. I guess Chuck was shown cooking for a bit.

[Deathscythe]

I hated Ricks death, maybe it would have been cool to have it seen it in 3-D but other than that it was just lame.

[Rich]

I thought Debbie's death looked the most fake out of them all, besides maybe the eye ball one.

[sCabbOy]

Debbie's death needed more blood and a faster cut-away IMO. That would have masked the "fakeness"

[The Tall Man]

Jason, Freddy, Alien, and Predator appeared on the latest episode of South Park. Jason gouges out Strawberry Shortcake's eye with his machete. When also meeting the cute Satanic woodland animals from Cartman's Christmas story, Jason mutters "I wouldn't wanna meet the kid who thought that up."

But really... how evil can Jason be if Butters can get away from him?

T.M.

[Deathscythe]

I gotta catch that episode, still 8:12 here. I hear Akuma and Sagat appear as well.

[Rich]

I think Debbie's death (Part 3) could definitely have used more blood. I mean, the thing came right through the heart, that should have been a Kill Bill style blood moment. Too bad they did not do that back then and if they did the MPAA would have cut it anyway.

[sCabbOy]

In the hammock it looked like it came through the heart, but in the closet (when she falls) it is more in the cavity where the neck and chest meet.

I'm sure it had more blood, I'm sure the scene was cut short to meet MPAA standards for R rated films. It basically should have had at least as much, if not more blood than Jack's in Part 1.

[Rich]

Maybe Jason stuck her with the weapon more then once, but we only was one on screen. It is like Andy's death. All we saw was Jason swing the machete and Andy fell to the ground. It wasn't until Debbie was laying there reading the Fango that we found out that Jason actually cut him in half. Even when you watch the scene in slow motion, as some folks suggested, you still do not see him cut in half. Things, obviously, happen off screen as well.

[sCabbOy]

I think the initial effect had Andy be bisected by Jason's machete when he swung down on him. I believe the shot of Andy bisected on the floor was removed from the movie.

But, regardless, the knife through Debbie may have not been fatal but she could have easily passed out or went into shock or both and bled to death.

[The Tall Man]

You think that's bad, the knife Chris yanks out of Debbie's corpse is totally different than the one Jason kills her with. The knife that comes out of Debbie's chest looks like a huge Bowie blade. The one Chris pulls out and assaults Jason with has a very small blade... like something you might peel potatoes with.

T.M.

[sCabbOy]

Debbie changed knives when she put her bath robe back on.

[The Tall Man]

Doesn't Debbie have her bathrobe on when she dies? I believe she does.

T.M.

[sCabbOy]

But it's also in the tub when Chris goes up there to see where all of the water was coming from.

[The Tall Man]

Fuckin' Miner...

[NETRA]

The changing knife doesn't bother me too much because we know Jason has a tendency to play with the dead bodies (nailing them to trees and whatnot). I can just tell myself that he stuck the smaller knife in her for the fun of it.

[sCabbOy]

I think Miner forgot about the closet scene and left it up to someone else to decorate and the person who decorated didn't know, he just read the script and read she was pierced with a knife.

[Joshg]

But it's also in the tub when Chris goes up there to see where all of the water was coming from.

No, that's Chili's shirt.

[sCabbOy]

ahh okay.
So Jason undressed Chili? Interesting.

[MaDMaNMaRz]

ahh okay.
So Jason undressed Chili? Interesting.

:lol:

I guess Jason does take time off from killing to undress women, haha.

[sCabbOy]

:lol:

I guess Jason does take time off from killing to undress women, haha.

He is a ladies man, he focuses on foreplay.

[Deathscythe]

Hmm, Jasons quite a pervert.

[Joshg]

First Chris, now Chili...whose next? :P

[MaDMaNMaRz]

Maddy could've used some lovin'

:lol:

[Darth Sinister]

No, that's Chili's shirt.

That could be. Kinda looks more like a blue towel.

[sCabbOy]

That could be. Kinda looks more like a blue towel.

Maybe that too, Jason's attempt to clean up the mess Andy made.

[Rich]

I was just thinking about something (:X I'm not supposed to do that with this genre as I have stated :p but that's okay).

Could Mrs. Voorhees has killed Alice if she had only waited until the next day or something?

Here is what she could have done. After she killed Bill she could have drained all the vehicles of their gas. She already cut off the phone line. There would be absolutely no way for Alice to make any kind of contact with the outside world, unless she walked 20 miles to camp, in which if she tried, Mrs. Voorhees would meet up with her on her way and finnish her.

Lets remember everything Mrs. Voorhees did. She killed everyone and threw a body through a window and lifted two others to hang them in places. She seemed like a butch and strong lady, but by the time she got to Alice, she probably tired herself out so much that all she had left in her were slaps and shoves and bites. If she had waited and renewed her strength she would have gotten Alice in my opinion.

What do you guys think?

[Joshg]

Sounds reasonable.

Have you ever found when Pamela is confronting Alice, and says, "My sweet, inocent...Jason", she's thinking something else. Before she says, "Jason", she mouths the start of a word; it begins with the letter A; possibly, an R sound after. I always thought that Pamela was thinking "Ari", like the actor who played Jason in Part 1. She may have been thinking of him, and instead of saying the character, Jason, she was going to say Ari. But she quickly remembers, that's the actor, and switches to Jason.

My thoughts, anyways.

[Darth Sinister]

It's possible. Actors do tend to slip and say the other actor's real name from time to time. You see it often in outtakes. Anyway, I don't think Pamela tired herself out. I think her problem was the fact that Alice was not as dumb, as scared or totally caught off guard as the others were. Barry, Claudette and Steve all knew who she was when she killed them. They had let their guard down because they knew them to be a friend or at the very least, not a psycho killer. Jack and Brenda were caught off guard. Jack was in bed and killed before he could put up a fight. Brenda was disoriented by the lights, the rain and thunder. Thus Pamela got her before she could run or defend herself. Ned probably got jumped from behind as soon as he entered the cabin. Bill might have put up a fight, based on the three arrows and his slit throat. Marcie and Annie were scared stiff.

Alice wasn't any of those. She knew now that there was a killer and that everyone else is probably dead. She had enough sense to realize that Pamela was the one who did it all, thus giving her time to prepare to fight and flee. There was no trap to be sprung and Alice turned out to be pretty resourceful. By the time of the fight down at the lake, Pamela had a concussion from the frying pan after being hit with the rifle butt and fireplace poker. At that point, she should've stopped fighting until her head cleared. That's why she stumbled and fell a lot. If not for the concussion, she might've been able to pull it off.

[Rich]

Alice was definitely just as scared. You can tell the way she baracaded the door, but you can also tell she was a little smarter though. Just her baracading the door and tying it shut showed more brains then just standing their and crying or screaming, which she did at first when the body came through the window, but she snapped out of it fast.

I still think Mrs. Voorhees tired herself out. I mean, she was a 50 year old lady hoisting the dead weight of adult bodies to tie in a tree, and to pin on a door, and then to throw through a window. In reality a woman like that probably couldn't have done that, but of course it is only a movie, so we must just accept it, but I'm sure she spent a lot of her strength doing that and wore herself out. She had to have. I would have.

[Darth Sinister]

I tend to buy getting smacked in the head several times, more than being tired. And I never said that Alice wasn't scared, just not scared stiff.

[sCabbOy]

Pam was also not a killer, she killed once in 58 and again in 79. She could easily make mistakes and she did. That's what happens.

[Rich]

She was a killer. If you ever commit one murder in your life and it isn't self defense, but cold blood, you are a murderer. She killed two people in 1958 and nearly ten more in 1979. She most certainly is a killer.

[sCabbOy]

Okay, EXPERIENCED killer. Killing 2 people back to back and then 30 yars later killing again you tend to lose your touch.

I meant she wasn't a killer in the context that Henry Lee Lucas was a killer, making no mistakes and gettng away with it because of that. Mrs V made many mistakes because she wasn't a "killer".

[Darth Sinister]

Pamela killed when she deemed it necessary. That's why she set fires and messed with the lake. She didn't have to kill. However, when she did kill the first time, she just approached and killed her victims. After that, she had to be creative because she wasn't a brutal power house like her son becomes. Pamela set traps. Jason just went for you and only part of the time did he set a trap.

[Deathscythe]

So I was bored and was reading Hugh Jackman's IMDB page. It says he told Jay Leno he was a big fan of the Friday the 13th films and he only became an actor so he could play Jason. Now I know IMDB isn't exactly credible so can anyone confirm this?

[sCabbOy]

Her victims in 58 were also sitting ducks. What I was saying that she really doesn't have that skill that experienced killers have.

[Rich]

I still think that aside from Alice, all of her murders done in 1980 were done very well. She had patients and murdered them one by one as they were available to be murdered. She didn't rush into anything and was completely invisible to them. Heck, she stayed invisible to the town since 1958 (her first two murders) and stayed that way while she did the other things over the years. That has got to count for something.

Scream 2 said it best. "Mrs. Voorhees was a perfect killer." I would have to agree. Of course she herself was killed in the end, but as a killer, I think she did a great job while it lasted.

[sCabbOy]

Jason III was a lot like Mrs Voorhees... he was like a spider waiting for the victim to get trapped in his web. He essentially waited for THEM much like Mrs V.

[Rich]

I think he was like that in 2 and 3. That is because in Parts 2 and 3 it was more of a terrotoriality thing, but in Part 4 he was uber pissed off and he showed it.

[nottidelterrore]

I think he was like that in 2 and 3. That is because in Parts 2 and 3 it was more of a terrotoriality thing, but in Part 4 he was uber pissed off and he showed it.

I'd be really pissed off too if I got hanged & an axe in my skull! Not to mention getting a machete in my shoulder. Hah.

But yes, I do agree about Jason being pretty pissed off & brutal in The Final Chapter. The kills remain my favourites in the entire series. Jimbo's death being my all-time favourite.

[Rich]

Jimbo had an awesome death scene. Him and Sara I think had the best two deaths. Paul had to have the most painful one though.

[nottidelterrore]

I always cringe during Paul's death. It really hits home. Haha.

[Antonynz]

I watched Friday the 13th part one today.

One of my favorite parts when you here the fant voice crying "Help............................ Help.. Some one help me."

I allways thought it was kinda creepy.
The girl gets lured out side by the voice then killed. The killer being Mrs voorhees.

But the voice was clearly a childs voice. A kid?
What kid?

JASON!

Im not going to go as far too say Jason and Pamela Voorhees were working together but maybe jason was calling for help.
Leading the girl to get killed. By her mother.

Jason waited and waited intill he saw his mothers head being cut off.
Making him the killer.
Becuase i think the idea of Jason being there at the end of the movie, The part when she gets her head cut off is widely accepted.

So if he was there at the end it must of been him yelling out for help?





Hahha look im just brainstorming. I know the real answer is the director never thought the fans would over analise like this and just used a kids voice to freak the audience but hey.

Understand?
Any thoughts.

-Antony
ADDED:
Sorry guys. Please move this too Friday the 13th (1980-2003)

Thanks.

[sCabbOy]

I think it was Mrs V. doing it to scare them, and of course it was really a kids voice IN REAL LIFE, but in the movie Mrs V. was pretty schizophrenic at that point so I have always assumed it was her.

[ChoKo]

This is one of my favorite parts of the film, as well; It's creepy as hell and very effective.

I have to agree with Scab; I think it was Mrs. Voorhees. She did the Jason voice near the end, ("Kill her, mommy, kill her.") so that's enough evidence to tell me that she did it earlier to lure Brenda out.

[Rich]

It was one of either two things:

A. Jason's ghost helping his mother

B. Mrs. Voorhees doing it herself to get the girl to come out of the cabin and right into the spider's nest

Since I believe that the Jason that jumped out of the lake at the end was Jason's spirit, I like to think the voice was the same, helping his mother, but that's just me.

[Violent VictiM]

Jason was still alive, so how was it his ghost crying for help/dragging Alice down at the end?

It was definitely Mrs. voorhees pretending to be Jason as far as the screaming goes. In the case at the end, I believe that Jason in adult form may have dragged Alice down, but since it was from behind and Alice couldn't really see him, she just figured it was Jason as a child. We were also supposed to get the feel of her fear, so thats why we saw Jason as a child as well.

[nottidelterrore]

I think it was Pamela Voorhees imitating a child's voice to make Brenda think that there's a little boy out there in trouble, luring her out to her eventual demise.

[Shoesalesman]

Yup, I've always felt it was Jason's mom.

[CrazyRalph]

Well you know what? Siskel acted like a dick and now look at him.....DEAD!! Don't fuck with Betsy Palmer
:lol: :lmao:

[Darth Sinister]

It was Pamela luring Brenda out to the archery range, so she could kill her. And no, Alice was dreaming at the end. She just did what sometimes happens when we have a vivid dream. We act it out.

[sCabbOy]

Wasn't it stated by Miller and Savini that is was indeed a dream? I say that is definitive.

[Antonynz]

Yea i know it was Mrs voorhees calling for help.

But it was clearly a kids voice. Makes ya think aye? :O

[Rich]

It was written as a dream, but I still interpret it as Jason's ghost. It does not even come across on screen as a dream.