The Music of 'Friday the 13th' Discussion [Archive]

James M

07-13-2007, 05:56 PM

In this thread, let's discuss the greatness of Harry Manfredini's work (and Fred Mollin's if you like his couple of scores as well) on the Friday films.

To me, Harry's scores are one of the things that really make the early Fridays. Just great, creepy sounding stuff. The films wouildn't be the same with anything else.

At www.HarryManfredini.com, Harry's official website, you can purchase CDs of the old Friday 1-3 album (CD-R) as well as his scores for Jason Goes to Hell and Jason X.

If it's still available for sale anywhere, you can also pick up a CD featuring re-recordings of Fred Mollin's scores for Fridays VII and VIII (done by Mollin himself, so they sound just like the original recordings).

Rich

07-13-2007, 06:02 PM

I have the Jason X official soundtrack on cd. I actually like that music, because it does fit the film.

I remember the first film in the series I ever saw was Jason Goes to Hell in theater. The second one I saw was Jason Lives on tv. The third one I saw was the original. I rented it from Blockbuster and the music is one of the things that scared the holy hell out of me...not that hell is holy. :D

I remember the first time I ever herd the "ch ch ch ha ha ha" music sound. That sound gave me nightmares.

Lammert

07-13-2007, 07:43 PM

I still want the music piece were Crazyralph cycles away from the camp after he's jumped from the kitchen closet (Friday part1). That was just briljant!

James M

07-13-2007, 09:41 PM

Yeah, that's a great creepy piece. Other pieces I wish were on the old Friday 1-3 LP include the music from during the first murders in Part 1, the piece from Part 2 after Jason is thought dead and Ginny and Paul head back to the campgrounds, the music from Part 3 when Shelly is looking around before he gets killed, and of course, the lyrical and instrumental versions of Sail Away, Tiny Sparrow from Part 1.

DRE

07-13-2007, 09:59 PM

Truthfully, what I love about Manfredini is that he doesn't change (With the exception of going synth in the 90's), every film he does will feel like a Friday film because of his scores.

House 1 & 2
Hills Have Eyes 2
Slaughter High
Cameron's Closet
and even Spring Break had a Friday feel because of his repeating cues, and that's not a bad thing, first class composers such as John Williams, Jerry Goldsmith and James Horner do the same.

Manfredini is also underrated, I think his Deep Star Six score stands as not only his most ambitious, but as one that would stand up with Alan Silverstri's score for The Abyss and Goldsmith's score for Leviathan.

I must admit, I'm not a fan of his 90's synth output (JGTH is the only exception), but Wishmaster was a nice return to orchestral form.

CampNewBlood

07-14-2007, 08:54 AM

Yea the LP music is great, but as some have said already, it is missing some cool scores. But, I love what it does have.

Shoesalesman

07-14-2007, 09:48 PM

For me Part 2 had the best soundtrack, especially during the chase scenes at the end on route to Jason's shack.

Dramarama

07-14-2007, 10:36 PM

Psuedo Echo's song, oh and I loved the song that was in part four when Crispin was going his regular crazy dance. Oh and JJ's blues song the guitar solo, am I the only one who wanted to hear the rest? lol probably haha.
ADDED:
Psuedo Echo, I love the song durin Crispin's crazy dance, The Darkest Side.

Darth Sinister

07-15-2007, 10:02 PM

Cool, I did not realize this was going on. I'll definately invest in this.

SoulOnFire

07-16-2007, 10:15 PM

Maybe someone can help me here. I recently acquired the F13 pt.6 score. It contains something like 53 tracks, but none are labeled. Does anyone have a track listing for this? Thanks in advance.

Lammert

07-16-2007, 10:21 PM

Are those real tracks? are just outtakes of the movie with dialogue?

Duke Nukeum

07-16-2007, 11:39 PM

Are those real tracks? are just outtakes of the movie with dialogue?

Yeah really I would like to know two. Because that could just be one that was done as a bootleg. Because I got one that had music from Part 6 at a horror convention and it had dialog in it. Complete amature job.:mad: I could have done better editing than that if I was gonna make wav files and transfer them to CD off of the DVDs. And speaking of which. Where did you get the part 6 CD? Convention, ebay so on?

"Your Face Your Ass. Whats The Difference?!" Duke Nukeum

Darth Sinister

07-17-2007, 01:19 AM

Yea the LP music is great, but as some have said already, it is missing some cool scores. But, I love what it does have.

Which cues are there? According to the first three films.

James M

07-17-2007, 01:28 AM

About the part 6 score that's out there, it's the clear tracks, no dialogue. It's a bootleg though. Someone got a hold of the DAT tracks a long time ago.

Titan

07-17-2007, 02:07 AM

I have personally been a fan of Manfredini's Part VI score. I wish I could find some of the soundtracks but I know that will be hard pressed.

James M

07-17-2007, 02:43 AM

It's out there. Just search.

CampNewBlood

07-17-2007, 08:40 AM

Yea, hopefully one day soon Manfredini can get a cd put out of all of his Friday the 13th work. I know he mentioned it before, but nothing new in a while. :confused:

Lammert

07-17-2007, 01:52 PM

Can anyone rip that Part 6 soundtrack? I'm very curious about it.. since there have been a lot of 'fake' bootlegs.

CampNewBlood

07-18-2007, 02:50 AM

Which cues are there? According to the first three films.

As someone mentioned, it's missing the music on Part 1 where Crazy Ralph off on his bicycle down the little road by the lake after scaring Alice. Granted it's only about 30 seconds worth, but still.
It's missing the opening scenes music in Part 1 where the 2 counselors in the loft get killed.

I can't think of anymore at the moment.

OH, did you mean which cues ARE on the LP? All of them are on the LP, except the ones I mentioned.

Lammert

07-18-2007, 07:59 AM

CampNewBlood > there is also a little piece from Part 3 thats not on the soundtracks, at a point where Chris enter the Higgins Haven house in one of the daylight scenes you hear a little piece of music thats doesn't really fit in the whole F13 music-theme.
If you guys don't know what I'm talking about then let me know, I might
upload a few of the unused music.

We could always ask Harry Manfredini to give us that ;)

CampNewBlood

07-18-2007, 09:57 AM

Shoesalesman

07-18-2007, 02:57 PM

Yea, hopefully one day soon Manfredini can get a cd put out of all of his Friday the 13th work. I know he mentioned it before, but nothing new in a while. :confused:

I would pay large sums of money for that. Every new movie seems to add to the already existing soundtrack and Manfredini is very skilled at balancing this out with old favorites.

James M

07-18-2007, 04:52 PM

Unfortunently, all the old masters of the scores have been lost for years. Manfredini would have to remake something to release it. I read on the Gratis Music Library website that they're working with Manfredini on a compilation. I sent Manfredini an e-mail about it and he explained that "working on it" means just that, and there's no guarantee it'll ever be completed. Oh well.

Lammert

07-18-2007, 08:01 PM

Hey guys, I edited that sound when Chris enters the house from Part 3(wich is used only 1 time in the series) and that beautyfull little piece when Crazyralph rides away from camp. http://www.jasonconquers.com/fridayunused.mp3

Duke Nukeum

07-18-2007, 08:45 PM

Heres a site for those of you like myself who are interested: http://www.rarescoresounds.blogspot.com It has the Part 6 score availible for download so you can rip and burn it. Supposivly it is the entire score to part 6. I am gonna see if I can rip and burn it myself. It is through a site you have to get a membership through. But it is only 12 dollers for two months so what the hell.

"Come Get Some!" Duke Nukeum:cool:

James M

07-18-2007, 09:25 PM

Actually, you can download from there for free.

Duke Nukeum

07-18-2007, 09:48 PM

Ok must have been doing something wrong when I was trying to download it. Didn't have a whole lot of time to look into it since I was getting ready for work which is where I am at now and obviously there is a block on this computor to keep a person from doing that. So I will have to wait until tonight when I get off and use my PC at home. Come to think of it you are right. I remeber at the top about that free acount thing mentioned above it. Guess I have to do that first. That 12 doller thing for 2 months must have been for something else. There must be something to that because once that page was brought up there was nothing that said download to click on. Guess you have to be registered and logged in first.:)

"Give Me A Jack And Coke Any Day!" Duke Nukeum

CampNewBlood

07-18-2007, 10:34 PM

Yea you can download for free. I already had it, but I'm downloading it again just to see if maybe it's better quality.

Duke Nukeum

07-19-2007, 10:48 PM

I'll tell you what that is a long downloading time two. I tried downloading it last night and it was taking me about two hours for it to download. Because of it being 175MB's. Never did get it fully downloaded because of me not wanting to stay up any later. I am off tommarow so I will start it at 6PM and then I will have until 2AM to get it downloaded. Which shouldn't take quite that long. Can't wait to get it downloaded. Always wanted to have the full or aleast mostly full part 6 score.

"Come Get Some!" Duke Nukeum:cool:

CampNewBlood

07-20-2007, 09:38 AM

Do you have dial-up or DSL? I have DSL and it takes about 10 minutes.

Darth Sinister

07-20-2007, 10:15 PM

Okay, my favorite tracks from the first six films.

Part one

-When Pamela enters the cabin with the kids.
-The deaths of Barry and Claudette/main titles.
-Annie's death.
-Jack, Ned and Marcie heading to the lake. It's so out of place, but it works.
-The lead up to Ned's death.
-Crazy Ralph's "Messenger of doom".
-Jack's death.
-Marcie in the restrooms and her death.
-Brenda brushing her teeth.
-Brenda hears Pamela and her death.
-The final chase.
-Sail Away, Tiny Sparrow.

Part two.

-Jason heading to Alice's house and her nightmare.
-Alice's death and main titles.
-Jason watches Ted, Sandra and Jeff leave.
-Jason spies on the party.
-Deputy Winslow chases Jason, reprise of Marcie's death.
-Terri goes skinny dipping.
-Terri and Scott's deaths.
-Vickie going to her car/reprise of Ned's death.
-Mark's death.
-Vickie's death.
-The final chase.
-Muffin at the door, Jason through the window.
-Finale/end credits.

Part three.

-Main title.
-Jason stalks Harlod and Edna.
-Harlod's death, reprise of Marcie's death.
-Shelly fakes his death.
-Fox, Ali and Loco arrive at Higgins Haven.
-Fox in the barn/reprise Brenda's death.
-Loco's death.
-Ali confronts Jason.
-Shelly goes to the barn and enters it.
-Jason kills Vera.
-Debbie in the shower.
-Chili's death.
-The final chase and Chris's dream.
-Finale/end credits.

Part four.

-Paul's campfire tale/main title.
-Cleaning up Higgins Haven.
-Sarah goes for the car.
-Samantha scares Sarah.
-The death of Samantha.
-Paul's death/Rob's nighttime visitor.
-Tommy in the attic.
-Sarah's death.
-The final confrontation/finale/end credits.

Part five.

-Tommy's nightmare.
-Joey's death.
-Roy kills Pete and Vinny/Tommy sees Jason in his room.
-Lana's death/Tommy spots Jason outside.
-Tommy attacks Junior.
-The final chase.
-Tommy becomes Jason.

Part six

-Tommy and Hawes look for Jason's grave/resurrection/opening titles.
-Tommy heads to the cemetary.
-Jason kills the survivalists.
-Jason standing atop the RV.
-Jason stalks Paula.
-The final confrontation.

Duke Nukeum

07-20-2007, 11:54 PM

Do you have dial-up or DSL? I have DSL and it takes about 10 minutes.

I have Dial-Up I guess that is why. I am downloading it now. Hopefully it doesn't take 8 hours to download. it is at 11.9 of 175MB's right now after an hour of downloading.

"Yum Yum Snickity Snacks!" Duke Nukeum

Speck

07-21-2007, 04:45 AM

I asked Harry Manfredini if he was planning to re-record "Sail Away, Tiny Sparrow". He said he doens't have plans at this time, but may do it in the future. I really wish he would.

CampNewBlood

07-21-2007, 07:25 AM

I wish he could redo all of the Friday films scores he composed. Would be awesome to have legitimate CD releases of these great scores.

I have the scores from 1, 2 and 3 by way of the LP.

I have the full Jason Lives score also.

And the Part 7 and 8 CD Fred Mollin released.

Lammert

07-25-2007, 03:10 PM

Fred Mollin released an original Part 7 and 8 cd? ...or is it a bootleg?

I have the Part VI soundtrack now, it's cool.. and the quality isn't too bad.

Wheatjedi

07-25-2007, 05:07 PM

Yes... the Part VII and VIII release by Mollin was a legit release.

Darth Sinister

07-26-2007, 12:57 AM

It has every piece of original material that Mollin did, except for every instance where he did Manfredini's vocal effects in both films. The "Ki...ki...ki...ma...ma...ma..." It was released in 04, I wanna say. Or 05.

Ron

07-26-2007, 02:54 AM

I wonder if Manfredini would be up for scoring the next friday/remake??

CampNewBlood

07-26-2007, 10:07 AM

That's what I have been thinking. That would be sweet if Harry Manfredini could do the next one.

Darth Sinister

07-26-2007, 09:01 PM

I think he would if he is asked. Though given the popular trend these days, we'll have the stock music score used in films like "The Ring" and "Scream" and "The Grudge".

DRE

07-26-2007, 09:37 PM

Sadly you are correct, Lord Sinister. If The Dunes end up doing this remake then Steve Jablonsky (And his boring, one note, theme-less music) will be the composer.

I hate most of today's horror composers and their damn noisy sound effect tracks passing as scores. I'll take Harry Manfredini any day (Even the present keyboard punching Harry that has lost his Bernard Herrmann inspiration.)

Darth Sinister

07-27-2007, 02:29 AM

Today's horror scores are just for shock value. Back in Harry's day, he and others like him went for suspense and then the shock value. There's nothing wrong with using keybords, but I think it should be combined with an actual insturment or two. Buffy and Angel worked well combining the two.

CampNewBlood

07-28-2007, 09:51 AM

Nothing they can conjure up today will ever compare to Manfredini's score.

DRE

07-28-2007, 06:46 PM

I love Graeme Revell's music, always have, but I only liked some of what he did in Freddy vs. Jason. The small homages to Harry were nice as well as his other thematic stuff, but some of it was too percussiony (Which works well for Elfman and Spiderman but not for Freddy and Jason.)

Speaking of which, I'd love for Danny Elfman to one day tackle a Friday score, especially since he is from that Herrmann school of thought, love his adaption of the Psycho score.

Shoesalesman

07-28-2007, 09:11 PM

Nothing they can conjure up today will ever compare to Manfredini's score.

Very wise words. His score is legendary, iconic if you will.

Duke Nukeum

08-09-2007, 11:54 PM

That link I posted earlier in the topic. Anybody who is into the part 6 score has to download from that site if you don't have it. It is great. It even has the song by Felony "I'm No Animal" which can't be found anywhere else. I never did get it downloaded. I ended up ordering it off of a site that has them forsale. Which I won't mention because of the rule about not posting links to bootleg sites. Anyway it had all the tracks also and it was great. The Jason Goes To Hell Score will always be my favorite but the Part 6 score is great two.:D

"Your Face Your Ass. Whats The Difference!" Duke Nukeum:cool:

SoulOnFire

08-10-2007, 03:49 AM

Josh1971

08-20-2007, 03:34 AM

I want the music from part 3 when Rick and Chris return from their walk, and begin searching for the others. Also, the really kick ass stuff when Trish and Rob head next door to check out the kids' house would be AWESOME! Come on, Harry!

jb

Skott

08-20-2007, 03:44 AM

Shoesalesman

08-26-2007, 10:02 AM

I find myself going to Harry's website often to have a listen to his promotion music for the F13 films. Ever since I went there the first time I feel drawn to it. I guess until I get something on CD I'll keep going there.

James M

11-06-2007, 12:11 AM

I've heard that Harry Manfredini would like to do the score for the new Friday the 13th and would if asked. But I doubt they'll ask, even though it's not a classic-style Friday the 13th without Harry.

DRE

11-06-2007, 12:34 AM

nottidelterrore

11-06-2007, 12:47 AM

Steve Jablonsky is Platinum Dunes composer of choice. I love Harry Manfredini and would love for him to return to the series. I would even take his unambitious synth scores over Jablonsky's dull sound any day.

Agreed.

And I'm sure the soundtrack would feature a bunch of crappy bands playing crappy music that I don't want to hear.

Patrick

12-05-2007, 04:28 AM

Yea I hope Harry Manfredini is involved with the score. No more rock bands and shit in this new movie PLEASE. That shit just ruins everything. It's not a rock concert, it's a horror film.

By the way, I finally won the LP of Friday the 13th Parts 1, 2 and 3 scores off of eBay. I was trying to win one last week that was still sealed and still had the retail stickers on it and presumably the 3-D poster inside with the glasses but, it went for $69. :( But the one I got, the cover and record looks fine and I won it in a lot with a Jaws 3 LP, The Black Hole, the original Japanese LP release of Godzilla (1954), and some others.

Speck

12-06-2007, 03:27 AM

It would be nice if they can use some scores from the original Friday the 13th in the new one.

Patrick

12-06-2007, 08:02 AM

Yes it would. Would be extremely cool for Manfredini to be involved with it.

Fowlees

12-08-2007, 04:44 PM

What about the re-involvement of some Alice Cooper tracks. They worked a treat in Jason Lives..Hard Rock Summer, Teenage Frankenstein, He's Back etc.

Patrick

12-09-2007, 09:46 AM

To each his own but, as I have stated before, I HOPE they steer clear of any rock or rap music in this movie. The old movies didn't need all that shit, this one doesn't either. With exceptions to "His Eyes" in ANB and "Darkest Side Of The Night" from JTM because those are great songs, these movies don't need that. All they need is instrumental music. That's it. Period.

My opinion of course.

AOD

12-12-2007, 09:09 AM

Harry doing the next Friday score would RULE!! and since they are going to make the next movie and alot of people hate the idea at the very least PD should get Harry to do the score so they at least get that part RIGHT.

Darth Sinister

12-12-2007, 09:08 PM

As mentioned, the odds on Harry getting the job are slim. It's only happen if Paramount, Platinum Dunes and New Line can agree to it.

Patrick

12-12-2007, 09:25 PM

Yea if Harry was involved, it would seem like we were...in some way....getting an old school 'Friday the 13th' film again. :D

Lammert

12-19-2007, 08:10 AM

Patrick

12-19-2007, 08:29 AM

Exactly. Stick with what worked the first time around. Studios are always trying to make "better" something that shouldn't be fooled with. The early films played off of atmosphere and the great Harry Manfedini musical scores. I hope Marcus Nispel realizes this and incorporates as much atmosphere and INSTRUMENTAL music as possible.

Darth Sinister

12-19-2007, 09:37 PM

Actually, the only reason the first film didn't have non score music, was because they couldn't afford it. It costs money to license music and then add in additional money if you want someone new to perform it or even more, to use the actual recording. For instance, in the sixth film, they could afford to have Alice Cooper do "Man Behind The Mask". As well as have the two songs that he recorded for his ablum that year. But if it were to be done on a budget like the first film, it couldn't be done. With the second film, they used a small time band. In the fourth film, they used a couple of bands that weren't big names, but established enough.

nottidelterrore

12-20-2007, 02:55 PM

Darth Sinister

12-20-2007, 10:47 PM

By "Jason Lives", the budget for a "Friday The 13th" film was like $2-3 million dollars. A far cry from the half a million of the original. When "FvsJ" came about, there was enough to pay not only for the score and all the other expenses, but to have various metal bands do the album. Hence two albums. I don't know much about Felony, so I cannot say. If the original film had a better budget, I could imagine actual music from the 70's and early 1980 being used. Mostly for when we see Jack, Ned and Marcie come to the came, instead of the banjo music. And when we see the diner scenes, instead of "Sail Away, Tiny Sparrow". Since there wasn't, Harry Manfredini did the best he could to fill those scenes with something. It just happened to work out well.

Non score music can work well in a film, without having to be there to make money or to be cool and hip. Done right, it can tell the story. The wrong way, for instance, would be the opening of "Freddy Vs Jason". I would rather have a score piece by Revel or a combination of the Nightmare main theme and the opening credits of the earlier Friday films.

nottidelterrore

12-21-2007, 02:57 PM

Does anyone have any albums by the band "Lion?" They contributed "Love is a Lie" to TFC soundtrack. You know, the song Crispin Glover dances to. I love the song & would like to own some of their albums but all I can find is one called "Trouble in Angel City" & it's hard to find. I've heard Love is a Lie, Never Surrender(The Wraith soundtrack), & their Transformers theme. I'd just like to hear some of their songs outside of that.

Just Jeans

12-30-2007, 10:16 AM

Just on a whim, I sent an e-mail to Harry Manfredini and asked him about the 'Jason Lives' score, and how things were coming along in regards to getting bits of it re-recorded for release. He sent me back this reply:

James:

First of all thanks for taking the time to write. Yes you are correct. All of the tapes to the Friday scores part 1 through 6 are damaged or gone. I have been working on a way to create some sort of compilation album, but it is very time consuming and difficult, I have said that I hoped to get it done last year, but now it is looking more like this year.

It has been very difficult to do, and I am hoping to get the best product I can. Keep looking on the website for updates.

thanks again for writing

cheers

HM

So maybe, if we're real lucky and things pan out, we might get that compilation album sometime in 2008. :pray:

DRE

12-30-2007, 10:32 AM

Someone needs to give this man the money and resources (100 piece orchestra with choir, anyone?) to re-record all his Friday music. Add that to the list of things I would do with a Million dollars.

Darth Sinister

12-31-2007, 09:42 PM

A choir? Why would that be needed? I mean, yeah I know the original plan was to have a choir sing during the stalking/kills. But I don't think it would be needed now, given how the vocal has become. Unless this in in reference to "Jason X"?

DRE

12-31-2007, 10:11 PM

Oh, I was thinking on the epic scale. If I were the one funding the Friday music rerecording, I wouldn't only ask him to remake existing music, I would have him compose all new music inspired by Friday the 13th as well (with a choir.) That would be more as a thank you to the man for all the great music he has given us, since he never was able to compose on a John Williams scale.

Harry's biggest score was DeepStar Six, and he showed how much ass he could kick when given the chance.

Just Jeans

12-31-2007, 10:28 PM

A choir? Why would that be needed? ... Unless this in in reference to "Jason X"?

The score from Jason X takes a lot of heat, but I really like it. And I think that if Manfredini had used a full orchestra and choir to perform the same score (with a couple of synth elements that can't be recreated with real instruments), people wouldn't have been so hard on it.

Of course, a lot of the music from the film sounds way better on the CD, particularly the track 'The Birth of Uber Jason'. With a full orchestra and choir, that track could have been extremely epic.

DRE

01-01-2008, 10:04 AM

The score from Jason X takes a lot of heat, but I really like it. And I think that if Manfredini had used a full orchestra and choir to perform the same score (with a couple of synth elements that can't be recreated with real instruments), people wouldn't have been so hard on it.

Of course, a lot of the music from the film sounds way better on the CD, particularly the track 'The Birth of Uber Jason'. With a full orchestra and choir, that track could have been extremely epic.

Agreed. And I also think the same can be said for the Jason Goes To Hell score, it was good for what it was, especially that eerie sound that plays over the New Line logo, his return to classic Friday melodies and the entire final reel. If done with a live orchestra, it would have been marvelous.

Harry has always mixed live and synth well, he just lost his Herrmann influence when e went all synth.

Darth Sinister

01-01-2008, 10:32 PM

That's why I like when synth is mixed with actual insturments, like with Buffy and Angel. It wouldn't hurt to hear the cello and a regular piano used from time to time. Same with a violin.

Just Jeans

01-01-2008, 10:41 PM

I think one of Manfredini's most dynamic tracks by a long chalk is Nano Ant Technology, from the Jason X soundtrack. It's like nothing else Manfredini wrote for the franchise, and it's probably my favorite track on the CD. Even if he'd had a full orchestra, I think I would have preferred that track stay synth. It works perfectly the way it is.

Kay-Em Kicks Butt is another track that I think works mostly as synth, although a couple of actual instruments to replace the synth horns/strings might have been nice.

Another track that I think benefits from synth is Diner of the Dead, from Jason Goes to Hell. I think the instrument samples could easily stand to be replaced with real instruments, but there are some synth sounds in that track that just can't be replicated for real. Same with the track Jason Goes to Hell. That thrumming synth sound is just too good to lose.

DRE

01-02-2008, 05:39 AM

That's the thing though Jeans, the sounds that are supposed to be synth sound incredible, but if he used the live instruments were he used synth to stand in, it would have been all the rage.

Just Jeans

01-02-2008, 05:48 AM

If he had used a live orchestra, I would have wanted him to replace the instrument samples with real instruments but keep the sounds that were created to be synthetic... but then I would feel that way, seeing as I'm one of those crazy freaks who is a fan of merging synth and orchestra to create a rich, unique musical landscape.

DRE

01-02-2008, 06:03 AM

Harry mixed synth and live orchestra as far back as Final Chapter, maybe even before that, and I always thought he was great at it. Jerry Goldsmith is actually one of the pioneers of the trade, no one could do it better.

I never was a fan of straight synth scores, with Carpenter's Halloween and Charles Bernstein's Nighmare on Elm Street being the sole stand outs. I hate Rick Wakeman's overrated score for The Burning. Hate it!!

Just Jeans

01-02-2008, 06:36 AM

I'm a fan of all-synth scores (I started listening to soundtrack music in the first place after getting interested in scores for SNES games) but I prefer a blending of the two, no doubt.

Patrick

01-02-2008, 06:46 AM

DRE

01-02-2008, 07:39 AM

Even tough much of the music is rehashed throughout the four films, it was almost always orchestrated differently. The first and last reels in Final Chapter were all new music, and it is Manfredini at his absolute best!

Jeans, I love Video Game scores as well, I really meant synth film scores.

Just Jeans

01-02-2008, 08:22 AM

If the music has a good sound, generally I can deal with a film score being synth (the score in Silent Hill is quite good...although a lot of that is just remixed tracks lifted wholesale form the games). It's all a matter of how it's handled, you know?

I like the music in the A New Beginning (I would do, seeing as it's my favorite film in the series and all). There are hints of what practically becomes Jason's motif in Jason Lives, and I particularly like the opening titles music.

DRE

01-02-2008, 09:05 AM

I never knew ANB was your favorite Friday James, learn something new everyday.

I know the cues you speak of, in fact, I have always considered that particular melody to be Jason's main theme (Although Harry never gave the guy a main musical theme.) The theme (With incredible brass a blaring) that plays while Jason is putting on his mask in JL was ripe to be his triumphant main theme, but Harry never stuck with it.

Patrick

01-02-2008, 09:58 AM

The musical cues of JL....for example...when it shows the kids sleeping...it sounds like freakin' baby mobile or something. Now, don't get me wrong..I love Harry's music from all of his 'Friday' scores, but just those particular cues/segments throughout JL just grate on my nerves when I am watching it. When it shows the kids sleeping and plays that "lullaby" music......it makes me compare it to the original 'Friday the 13th' when it showed a very similar scenario....kids sleeping....BUT had the more serious "KiKiKi MaMaMa" (with old school instrumental Harry) playing in the background.

I hope I said all this correctly. As I said, I love all of Harry's music. It's just those segments in JL that just irk me for some reason. I guess the same reason the comedy in JL irks me as well.

DRE

01-02-2008, 10:05 AM

I get what you are saying Silver, but for me, those cues just show how diversified Harry can be (When he is not cannibalizing his own scores in other films.) His work in House and House II is great, his work in Cameron's Closet was phenomenal and I even love his Hills Have Eyes 2 music. His Slaughter High score was kind of weird, but when it sounded like Friday it was great!

Patrick

01-02-2008, 10:23 AM

Speaking of.....(off topic I know) I've never seen Slaughter High.

DRE

01-02-2008, 10:26 AM

Not a bad little slasher film, not a particularly good one either.

Patrick

01-02-2008, 10:36 AM

Cool.....i'll have to check it out sometime soon.

Just Jeans

01-02-2008, 10:48 AM

I never knew ANB was your favorite Friday James, learn something new everyday.

It's listed in my profile. :p

I know the cues you speak of, in fact, I have always considered that particular melody to be Jason's main theme (Although Harry never gave the guy a main musical theme.)

I've always felt that way too. It's only seven notes, but it's a very effective seven notes. I like the way it's utilized in the scenes with Tommy in the cemetery later in the film (and also in the opening titles). I always thought it was a shame that Manfredini abandoned that motif after Jason Lives. It would have added a whole lot of personality to Jason Goes to Hell and Jason X.

I also particularly like the bit of musical business that is used when Jason and Tommy struggle in Jason's grave, and again when Jason and Tommy struggle with one another underwater, after Jason snaps Tommy's boat in half.

DRE

01-02-2008, 11:05 AM

That particular piece was also put to good use in The New Blood, with Sandra in the lake, but I don't know if I were really listening to music during that fabulous scene. ;)

The Jason Lives score, for me, had to be the most exquisitely done and varied score for a Friday film, especially everything from the final battle between Tommy and Jason. Manfredini was killing those strings during that scene.

Patrick

01-02-2008, 11:51 AM

Speaking of TNB, it's funny how the MPAA can cut all the gore out but leave a stupid bitch with her snatch hangin' out in the final film.

Darth Sinister

01-02-2008, 09:02 PM

I have heard alot of people say that the music in Final Chapter was just a rehash of the first 3. I have always heard different music in it though....unless it is just a distorted version of previous music. The Final Chapter music is some of my favorite.

In the first two films, Manfredini did the whole thing through. With the third film, the majority of the score was from the first two films. Same with the fourth film. The new material was few and far between. In three it was the disco theme and everything leading up to Chuck's death through the end of the film. In four, it was the recap and then the main title and then the opening prologue. There was a bit of new material when Sara goes back for the car, when Tommy is in the attic, when Tina sees that Terri's bike is still there and the final confrontation. The rest was the old cues, but they were re-edited to fit what was going on screen. Sometimes it matched up well, but the only time it doesn't is when Sam scares Sara. Also, with a different audio mix going on due to the location and what not, some of the tracks sound clearer. That's why when like Shelly grabs Vera's foot, it sounds like a new cue when it's just the music from the first film when Annie realizes that Pam isn't what she seems to be and begs her to stop the jeep. However, it seems that there is an unused cue in the third film, during the scene where Shelly screams and causes everyone to come into the house. As part of his joke.

Esten

01-02-2008, 11:22 PM

Speaking of TNB, it's funny how the MPAA can cut all the gore out but leave a stupid bitch with her snatch hangin' out in the final film.

Considering it's matted-out on DVD, I presume what was submitted to the MPAA was the same.

Patrick

01-03-2008, 05:38 AM

Probably....but just the fact that nudity seems "less offensive" to the MPAA than gore does is odd. Parents want their kids/teenagers to see nudity but not gore?

I have no problem with nudity persay, but, putting the 2 side by side, the gore effects go more with the movie than nudity does...in a Friday film. To me atleast. To bad the MPAA didn't see it that way and we coulda had gorier/more gory or whatever, Friday's.

Esten

01-03-2008, 05:43 AM

The MPAA is actually more stringent on nudity/sexuality than violence typically.

You're saying you'd rather a kid see graphic violence over nudity? The world is an odd place.

Patrick

01-03-2008, 05:53 AM

Yea I figured they would have been but it doesn't really seem that way with these particular films.

By the way, the music, the end credits of TNB are realy cool. Especially when it goes into that part where it sounds like someone singing and the music sounds very....serene.....I love that part.

DRE

01-03-2008, 06:07 AM

Fred Mollin's music was good for Friday the 13th: The Series and TNB, but JTM stunk! His theme for Forever Knight was good.

Just Jeans

01-03-2008, 08:42 AM

Probably....but just the fact that nudity seems "less offensive" to the MPAA than gore does is odd. Parents want their kids/teenagers to see nudity but not gore?

This is a point of view that has always befuddled me, because I would much rather my child see a nude person than graphic simulated violence. I don't know why we're so ashamed of our bodies that we feel a bit of nudity in film should be regulated to the same degree as violence.

After all, you're born nude. But you're not born with a hatchet buried violently in your chest. Nudity is natural.

Darth Sinister

01-03-2008, 09:14 PM

I don't think the MPAA spotted the nudity in question. That's why nothing was done.

Speck

01-23-2008, 02:49 AM

I have a question. Why were songs like "Love is a Lie, His Eyes, Hard Rock Summer, and Teenage Frankenstein chosen for Friday the 13th films? They weren't really well known songs at the time. Do you think it was the only songs they could get rights to? Thoughts?

Just Jeans

01-23-2008, 02:59 AM

Probably because they were cheap to license. They convey what the filmmakers wanted, and they didn't cost an arm and a leg.

AOD

01-24-2008, 09:28 AM

Here is the whats original and whats reused from The Man himself Harry Manfredini.
Look just past the halfway mark just after the post with the Simpsons pic.

http://www.gutsandgory.com/forum/messages/68036/67096.html?1180704078

Darth Sinister

01-25-2008, 08:44 PM

Wow, I did not realize that the fourth film was all original. I guess that does explain a few cues that sound different from the earlier films, but I just assumed it was all in the editing.

Just Jeans

01-25-2008, 09:09 PM

I thought it was pretty much common knowledge that everything after part III was original.

On a wholly unrelated note, I wish Petch would join up over here. :( I miss seeing him around.

It surprises me that someone out there has a copy of the DAT score for Friday VI but Harry himself no longer has it in any way, shape or form. I've had an MP3 copy of the DAT score for ages (given me by free, not purchased, because I refuse to purchase bootlegs) and it's a nice listen. It could do with being cleaned up, and I'd like to see it released officially on CD.

Darth Sinister

01-26-2008, 11:52 PM

I thought it was pretty much common knowledge that everything after part III was original.

Not me. I saw on Pit Of Horror back in 1999, I think it was, that most of four was reused. But I noticed the last time I watched it on tape, that the music did seem more original rather than strictly recycled. I guess it's the way certain cues are presented like when Sam pulls Sara into the lake, after pretending to drown and when Paul is killed by Jason and all the way through when Rob finds that Jason had been in his tent. The way it comes across to me, it seemed to be recycled. I recognized the cues that exist from the previous installments, but it seemed to be just lifted from the earlier sessions.

Wolfgang

04-26-2008, 05:44 PM

I love the Music in Parts 1-4 the best. Probably because it pretty much the same music in each one.

DRE

04-26-2008, 07:05 PM

I agree Wolfgang. I love repeat music in series, it was even great when the classic music showed up in The New Blood.

Lammert

05-05-2008, 09:50 AM

Every F13 score has new/different stuff...

It's weird that they never re-used the famous end theme of Part 1, somehow it's something classic.
Crystal Lake Theme (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tI_Nt2twHvo). :)

skuppy

05-05-2008, 10:10 PM

I've been on a horror soundtrack collecting spree for over a year now. I'm trying to get all the F13 soundtracks available. So far I have:

Friday 7 & 8 CD
Jason Goes to Hell CD
Jason X CD (plus the two extra tracks I downloaded off the net)
Freddy Vs Jason CD

Also have the part 6 soundtrack burnt to a CD-R.

I'm looking for legit releases. Anyone know what other soundtracks were commercially available? I'm guessing they'd have to be vinyl, which is fine. Speaking of part 6, if Harry lost the originals, did he ever track down that DAT source or download those mp3s (I'm sure he has)? He could do a release of that as those mp3s sound pretty good.

James M

05-05-2008, 10:57 PM

There was a vinyl release by Grammavision Records of music from the first three films. It was later released on CD in France by Milan (under the title Meurtres En 3 Dimensions), though I think the CD is pretty rare to find. Alternatively, Harry Manfredini sells CD-Rs of it on his website. The LP does have a pretty cool 3-D cover.

(click for full-size, and if you're got red/blue glasses, wear them and look)

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/896/fridaythe13thpartiiiiiimj8.th.jpg (http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fridaythe13thpartiiiiiimj8.jpg)

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6900/fridaythe13thpartiiiiiirm2.th.jpg (http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fridaythe13thpartiiiiiirm2.jpg)

There was also a single from One Foot Records with a longer version of the Friday III theme. The version on the album cut down a couple sections. This longer version is about 5:17 compared to the 3:41 length of the album version.

skuppy

05-06-2008, 12:13 AM

I'm gonna have to track down those vinyls. That CD would be sweet but I doubt I'll ever get a copy of it. I knew of Harry selling CDRs on his site, but something about buying a CDR doesn't sit with me. If he really wanted to sell copies, he should get about 500 - 1000 pressed copies made. A lot of small bands do this and doesn't cost as much as you may think.

James M

05-06-2008, 04:31 AM

If you'd like, I could post the Friday I-III album, as well as DVD rips I've done of the Friday I end titles and IV and V opening and closing titles, but I think I'll wait for an okay from a moderator.

On a sidenote...Skuppy, where is your avatar from? It looks rather amusing.

skuppy

05-06-2008, 08:10 AM

It's from the "Killer Shrews" (colorized version).

James M

05-06-2008, 07:40 PM

Well, based on links earlier in the thread surviving, I decided to go ahead and post some stuff. If this is a problem, no big deal. Just delete it. It's probably public domain at this point, though, being long out of print and with the original tracks damaged.

Friday the 13th I, II, & III album (zipped into a RAR file)
http://www.sendspace.com/file/waqpgo

Longer version of Friday III theme
http://www.sendspace.com/file/qkzgp6

A few DVD rips from Friday I, IV, and V (zipped into a RAR file)
http://www.sendspace.com/file/8263uv

skuppy

05-07-2008, 02:02 AM

wow, Thanks!

James M

05-07-2008, 03:59 AM

No problem, love to help out a fellow fan of Manfredini's great music.

Speck

05-08-2008, 03:10 AM

You can go to http://www.harrymanfredini.com/audio/

Harry has some audio clips on his page.

Lammert

05-10-2008, 08:19 PM

Pseudo Echo - His Eyes (video) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9ZfNr1G2ds) :bang:

My favorite song in any F13 movie...

James M

05-14-2008, 06:05 AM

Another real classic piece missing from the I-III album is that banjo piece when Jack, Marcie, and Ned are on their way to the camp. Really rockin' tune. haha

nottidelterrore

05-14-2008, 06:33 AM

Pseudo Echo - His Eyes (video) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9ZfNr1G2ds) :bang:

My favorite song in any F13 movie...

I love that song. And Violet's robot dance.

James M

05-16-2008, 05:50 PM

I wonder what that other song is she listens to in the movie. That "The Drowning" one listed in the end credits? Or maybe that's one of the songs Billy has playing on his radio when waiting for Lana. I figure all these tracks probably came from old production music libraries. Like the rock track at the start of The Raft from Creepshow 2 is a track from DeWolfe called Overdrive, which was also a past entrance theme of Lex Luger in the NWA.

Patrick

06-18-2008, 08:26 AM

The one called, "The Drowning"....I believe it refers to the track listing from the 1951 movie "A Place in the Sun" soundtrack starring Elizabeth Taylor and Montgomery Clift. The scene in ANB where Robin is watching the black and white movie is this movie. The scene is where Montgomery Clift is rowing Shelley Winters out into the middle of a lake with the intentions of killing her because she is pregnant with his child and stands in the way of him having a lavish lifestyle with his real love, Elizabeth Taylor. But then he changes his mind, but ironically, she stumbles and falls out of the boat and ultimately drowns and Clift is blamed for murdering her.

jah jah jason

06-22-2008, 04:31 PM

Darth Sinister

06-22-2008, 09:22 PM

Another real classic piece missing from the I-III album is that banjo piece when Jack, Marcie, and Ned are on their way to the camp. Really rockin' tune. haha

That is what is known as source music. Source music is the music that is made by the composer or by an outside talent, specifically for a film. They're used for scenes featuring radio or television music without having to license music from an artist. There are two types that are made. One where it is music that doesn't sound like the score and the kind where it is a song that you don't really hear on the radio. It's not found on most commercial albums.

The banjo music was most likely done by Manfredini or written by him and performed by someone else. "Sail Away, Tiny Sparrow" is another one. While the end credits version was what Manfredini had in mind, he added lyrics and modified it a bit so that it would play in the diner scenes. The Star Wars films had them with "Cantina Band" #1 and #2, "Lapti Nek" and "Jedi Rocks" to name a few. It's usually any piece of music that doesn't quite sound like the film's score. Music such as this is usually released as a bonus track or never released on the score soundtrack. Only when a complete edition of a score soundtrack is released, will you hear them. In other words, if Manfredi were to put out a complete soundtrack to the films that he worked on, the source music would be included.

In "Jason Lives", Alice Cooper allowed "Teenage Frankenstein" and "Hardrock Summer" to be used along with "He's Back (The Man Behind The Mask)". While TF and TMBTM were released, "Hardrock Summer" was not on "Constrictor". If an album for the film had been released, those three songs and some of the score would've been put on there. Those tracks would almost be considered or are considered source music. "Constrictor" was not an album made for the film. It was just a new Cooper album which had music used in the film. If Cooper did not do "Constrictor" and the film was given a soundtrack, those songs or other songs of his own creation, would've been used.

Spook

10-22-2008, 10:32 AM

I think my favorite piece of music in any of the Friday films is in part 2. There's a piece at the end after Ginny sticks the machete into Jason's shoulder, and she leaves with Paul. It's really short, and starts from when they leave the shack and ends when they enter the cabin. I think some type of horn is used. Trumpet, maybe? Anyways, anyone know what I'm talking about? Is there a way to obtain this piece?

Darth Sinister

10-22-2008, 09:48 PM

Manfredini didn't start using trumpets until the fourth film. Only french horns. Anyway, I don't think that's included on the 1-3 album. So to hear it, you'll have to record it off your television while watching the film. And don't think you're weird for doing so, because I've done it.

Monkey

10-23-2008, 12:17 AM

Anybody ever watch "The Children"? The musical score in that movie is almost 100% identical to Friday the 13th. Manfredini did both movies... and it shows.

Spook

10-23-2008, 02:39 AM

Thanks for the help, Darth. It's unfortunate that it's not included on any of the albums. I don't mind recording it, since I don't believe there's any talking while it's playing. Also, yeah, it's totally obvious that it's a french horn being used. I don't know why I thought it might have been a trumpet.

Darth Sinister

10-23-2008, 09:24 PM

There's a bit of talking. Mostly when Ginny's leg gives out and she calls out Paul's name.

Spook

10-23-2008, 11:36 PM

Eh, well it won't bother me. Can anybody recommend a good program to use to rip the audio from that scene, and maybe even tweak with it a bit?

DRE

10-23-2008, 11:45 PM

DVD Audio Ripper is what I use, it's very simple and easy to use. DVD Audio Ripper (http://www.imtoo.com/dvd-audio-ripper.html)

Patrick

10-27-2008, 01:04 AM

Do you have to pay for that to use it? There is some music from Poison Ivy (1992) that I have been wanting.

Just Jeans

11-04-2008, 01:42 PM

DVD Audio Ripper is what I use, it's very simple and easy to use.

Will it isolate specific channels from a 5.1 soundtrack, or will it only lift the entire stream, downmixed into stereo? I'd like to use this to nab dialog and sound effect extracts sans music (or vice versa).

DRE

11-09-2008, 08:55 PM

Do you have to pay for that to use it? There is some music from Poison Ivy (1992) that I have been wanting.

The trial doesn't have any limitations, I don't believe, but will only work for a number of days.

Will it isolate specific channels from a 5.1 soundtrack, or will it only lift the entire stream, downmixed into stereo? I'd like to use this to nab dialog and sound effect extracts sans music (or vice versa).

If it is a 5.1 soundtrack it will keep the tracks separate, but sometimes music and sound efx are on a shared track and dialogue and other sound efx on another, depending on the mix of the film. But yes, it has a very easy to use way of finding the separate tracks.

sooners4life98

12-24-2008, 06:09 PM

I like Harry's music before he went off track with the other sound.

James M

02-09-2009, 02:19 AM

I ripped the Part 1 end title track off the great new 5.1 mix. As this is something that isn't and never will be commercially available, I'm not taking money away from anyone by posting this.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/1h5ks9

I still wonder why this wasn't included on the 1-3 album released back around 83, but this will do. I'm surprised Paramount was able to mix early 80s mono soundtracks so well.

Lammert

02-09-2009, 05:05 PM

I have no idea why this wasn't on the Part 3 soundtrack. There is more stuff missing on that. Still, its the best horror soundtrack out there for me. ;)

Spook

02-09-2009, 07:01 PM

Ah, thanks James M! That's one of my favorite pieces Manfredini has done. That one, and in the recap at the beginning of Part 2, it doesn't quite use the same music, but a variation that I think is just as good.

Speck

02-26-2009, 11:40 AM

Harry has the sheet music to "Sail Away, Tiny Sparrow" for sale on his website. He will sign it and mail it to you.

http://www.harrymanfredini.com/news/

Speck

03-02-2009, 07:36 AM

I found the original version of "Love is a Lie" that was used in The Final Chapter on YouTube. Enjoy!

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Timberwolf Entertainment

03-02-2009, 07:51 AM

Harry has the sheet music to "Sail Away, Tiny Sparrow" for sale on his website. He will sign it and mail it to you.

http://www.harrymanfredini.com/news/

I love "Sail Away" I think they should haves used it at the end of Freddy Vs Jason when he comes out of the water! LOL

Rich

03-11-2009, 04:41 PM

Spook

03-11-2009, 05:19 PM

I still think that Manfredini's music would not have worked with the new Friday film. I've tried imagining certain pieces of music to go with some scenes in the remake, but it just took me out of it. I think Manfredini's music belongs with the Paramount films, and should remain there. I wouldn't mind some little homages or whatnot, but I am not sure if I could see one of the new films scored to his music. It just feels dated, imo. Definitely screams '80s. That's not to say that I don't love his work. I really do, and I wish that they would officially release all of his music.

Darth Sinister

03-11-2009, 07:14 PM

I wish they would just go ahead and re-release an official CD release of the soundtracks to the first four featuring every single damn music piece Harry ever wrote. I am a huge fan of Harry's music in these films. Felissa Rose was right when she said that the music was a whole other character in itself. It really gave Jason that forboding preasense and it had a way of developing Jason's character in a way that diolague could never do.

Musically, I think Jason's most defining moment was in Friday the 13th Part 3. Harold's wife looks out the window and she sees "someone" (though we know it was Jason) and we hear the chchchhahaha while there is an awesome sounding horrifying music playing. THAT very scene, musically defines what the Jason character is all about.

It is too bad that this music was not in the new film. The new film had absolutely everything going for it to be a modern "classic Friday the 13th" but Harry Manfredini's music was the one piece of the puzzle it was missing. It is tragic if you ask me. Harry's music (especially like the song I mentioned above) would have really scared the shit out of today's high school kids who are used to basically no film scores in horror films.

It seems that with the master tapes gone, a full re-release won't happen. It is expensive doing these types of releases. First there's trying to find and possibly repair the master tapes. If there are none, that leaves second or third generation which is what Harry has with his CD-R, which won't sound as superior as first generation. This then leaves the task of re-recording the soundtrack, which is even more expensive as you have to hire an orchrestra and book a studio to record and mix it. Plus, there's no guarantee it'll be profitable. Meaning it would have to be limited to 1,000 to 3,000 copies.

Either way, unless someone can pony up the cash, it ain't happening.

Rich

03-12-2009, 04:34 PM

I can place Harry's music in the film with ease. The scene where Jason finally kills Trent and leaves him on the truck, the druck drives away with Jason just standing there watching, THAT shot needed the music that Harold's life saw Jason out of her window from, in Friday 3.

Friday the 13th has particular ingrediants, kind of like a cake. It's ingredients are suspense, atmoephere, kills, nudity (optional), and Harry Manfredini music. When you are making a cake, one of the ingredients is icing on the top. To have a Friday the 13th movie without Harry's music (and especially one that wanted so hard to be old school) what you are stuck with is the cake without the icing on top. You have a dry cake that tastes like it's missing something. That is ultimately what happened to Friday 2009. It was the dry cake that was missing something. It was missing the icing of Harry's music. Friday NEEDS that music. Even Rob Zombie used some of the classic John Carpenter music in his Halloween remake, because he understood the importance of the original score on the film and the character.

This is why I really hope they have an altertate music track on the DVD/Blu-Ray that is a Manfredini score. I don't like dry cake. I like cake with icing on it. Give me my icing!

Darth Sinister

03-12-2009, 07:45 PM

But the thing is that Carpenter had several reoccuring cues. Manfredini does have a few cues, but it is the sound that he created that is famous and is why it carried on when he isn't around. Mollin, Revel and Jabolwsky showed us as much.

Rich

03-13-2009, 04:25 PM

It was the sound that became famous to the mainstream, but Harry's music was what made Friday the 13th Friday the 13th. I think you are highly underestimating Harry's music. Mollin and Revel both sucked horrible. I cringle when I hear their music i the films. Jabla-whatever the hell his name is was the best out of the worst musicians of the series.

Friday NEEDS Harry. Like I said before, I don't like dry cake. I like my cake with the icing on top.

Darth Sinister

03-13-2009, 07:31 PM

I'm not saying that Mollin, Revel or Jabolowsky were better. I'm saying that when it came to making the score, only the sound has proven to be more important. Not his cues. And Manfredini is not at the top of his game, as shown with the last two films that he did.

Rich

03-14-2009, 06:56 PM

Darth and I will agree to disagree here. I think Harry's music is an important ingrediant to the films. I actually liked his Jason X score. Too bad in the film it seems like the volume of it was turned down.

I have always believed that the music to Friday the 13th was just as important as John Carpenter's music to Halloween. It really carries the film and keeps you watching. Besides Jason and Mrs. Voorhees and Tommy Jarvis all the other characters in the Friday the 13th universe Harry's music is basically a whole other character in itself.

skuppy

03-14-2009, 07:08 PM

Got the soundtrack today for the new movie. The only score track is the "opening title" the rest are just songs that appeared in the movie. The opening title isn't anything special. It runs for a little under 4 minutes. For those wanting the soundtrack, Amazon is selling it as a "CDR" product. Comes with a booklet and backing tray professionally printed and the CD does have artwork, but the actual disc is a CDR.

Darth Sinister

03-14-2009, 07:41 PM

Patrick

03-16-2009, 03:42 PM

Harry Manfredini's theme is an essential part of Friday the 13th. If you take that out, you are taking out a part of the film(s) that played a role in making this franchise so great.

Darkest Side of the Night

04-02-2009, 11:31 PM

The only problem I have with Part 7 The New blood is the opening music!! I never cared for it; That was Fred Mollin's music, the composer for Part 7; i just couldnt get it. But I do like how they used Harry's classic music from the previous films. When one watches The New Blood, he or she can tell that two different composters are at work. Now I do like the "Tina Theme" that Mollin gave to the film, but i not sure if the two different composers on one film actually worked.

One of my favorite music stings in Part 7 is the Woodsmen and his girlfriend. It is the scene where Jason is watching the woodsmen from a distance and there is a musical shrill right there! I love it;
ADDED:
I love that song. And Violet's robot dance.

I would love to see Violet's original kill before they changed it because of the MPAA!
ADDED:
I think my favorite piece of music in any of the Friday films is in part 2. There's a piece at the end after Ginny sticks the machete into Jason's shoulder, and she leaves with Paul. It's really short, and starts from when they leave the shack and ends when they enter the cabin. I think some type of horn is used. Trumpet, maybe? Anyways, anyone know what I'm talking about? Is there a way to obtain this piece?

I know exactly what you are talking about! I call it "the calming after the storm" for Part 2. Ive always like that piece of music also!! But I dont know how to obtain that piece!! I also like music on 3-D when Chris is closing the windows due to the wind!

Darth Sinister

04-03-2009, 08:57 PM

Harry Manfredini's theme is an essential part of Friday the 13th. If you take that out, you are taking out a part of the film(s) that played a role in making this franchise so great.

But that's not a theme. It's a sound effect using a vocorder. That's why JTM, FvsJ and the 09 film only use it while original material is used. The sound should be used, but everything else Manfredini created isn't a requirement. You have to remember that Carpenter and Bernstien created actual cues that were reused, which are recognized as such. Only the hardcore fans of Manfredini will note recurring cues in the first five films, along with the last two that Manfredini did. The fifth film revisits the bit from the fourth film when Jason is chopping open Tommy's door, which sounds slightly different in that film.

James M

04-03-2009, 11:14 PM

While there aren't many recurring themes in Manfredini's Friday scores, it's still an overall style that adds to those films greatly.

Rich

04-05-2009, 06:29 PM

But that's not a theme. It's a sound effect using a vocorder. That's why JTM, FvsJ and the 09 film only use it while original material is used. The sound should be used, but everything else Manfredini created isn't a requirement. You have to remember that Carpenter and Bernstien created actual cues that were reused, which are recognized as such. Only the hardcore fans of Manfredini will note recurring cues in the first five films, along with the last two that Manfredini did. The fifth film revisits the bit from the fourth film when Jason is chopping open Tommy's door, which sounds slightly different in that film.

Harry's music is a huge part of Friday the 13th. He made A LOT of music cues that are essential to Friday the 13th. That is why the newer films will never ever (even the 2009 film) be what the 80s ones were, because of the lack of Harry's music, which is a whole other character in itself.

Darth Sinister

04-05-2009, 09:32 PM

Only the diehard fans consider it essential. Not a single composer, producer or director considers Manfredini's insturmental that important. Only Manfredini and those who worked the first six films. He may have created the stuff, but like I said, they're not nearly as memorable like Freddy's theme or all of Carpenter's original work. Manfredini never created the type of cues that other composers, producers and directors felt that they needed to bring back. Carpenter's work is such that Alan Howarth ran with it for three films without Carpenter's involvement. It was such that Otterman, Lux and Bates had no qualms about reusing it. All of the directors, Freeman and Akkad saw it as important to have when Carpenter said no to more films with the Shape. When Harry wasn't there, Mancuso and Hedden didn't want to recycle it like Bucheler (sp) did. Yu, Shayne, Nispel and the Dunes didn't even want that. They only wanted Manfredini's sound effect. Nothing more. They don't view the insturmental portion as important as that.

Believe me, I agree with you that Manfredini's whole work is important. But we're in the minority here, my friends.

Rich

04-08-2009, 05:49 PM

Not a single composer, producer or director considers Manfredini's insturmental that important

How do you know what other composers think? We only had three different ones besides Harry. They probably just wanted to make "their own" scores for the films, or perhaps they did incorporate some of Harry's work into it, but the music got edited out. I have read that to be the case with Jablonski.

Anyone who says that they don't want Harry's music in their film really does not understand Friday the 13th. That is the reason that the new film lacked (not totally, but in a big part) the feel of the older ones. It did have the feel in terms of atmosphere and Jason, but musically it was lacking (and NEEDING).

Harry + Friday the 13th = essential.

Friday the 13th films without Harry's music is like eating a dry piece of cake. It is still good, but it would be much better with some icing on the top. That is what Harry's music is. It is the icing on top of the cake. That is what the new film was as a result. It was still great, yet it could have been better had it had Harry's music on it.

Darth Sinister

04-08-2009, 08:31 PM

How do you know what other composers think? We only had three different ones besides Harry. They probably just wanted to make "their own" scores for the films, or perhaps they did incorporate some of Harry's work into it, but the music got edited out. I have read that to be the case with Jablonski.

Or perhaps they didn't consider it important.

Anyone who says that they don't want Harry's music in their film really does not understand Friday the 13th. That is the reason that the new film lacked (not totally, but in a big part) the feel of the older ones. It did have the feel in terms of atmosphere and Jason, but musically it was lacking (and NEEDING).

Harry + Friday the 13th = essential.

Friday the 13th films without Harry's music is like eating a dry piece of cake. It is still good, but it would be much better with some icing on the top. That is what Harry's music is. It is the icing on top of the cake. That is what the new film was as a result. It was still great, yet it could have been better had it had Harry's music on it.

And yet, not one single person who hasn't had Manfredini involved felt his work was memorable. All that's ever talked about is the sound that he created. They can walk out of "Halloween" and hum the main title. They don't with the first "Friday The 13th". And a composer will either bring back cues from someone else if they feel it is important or if they're told to do so. Mollin, Revel and Jablonski weren't told to bring anything back other than the sound. And the directors and producers never once encouraged it.

You don't have to preach to me about Harry's work. But I also know how it is and given what we've seen, it's a pretty clear indication that they don't consider the full score. Just a sound effect.

Splatterhouse

08-24-2009, 02:34 PM

I really love two pieces of Manfredini music. The first one can be heard twice (I think).

It's a piano piece which is heard in the original, after Alice has barricaded the cabin door, picks up the baseball bat and slowly makes her way into the kitchen. It can also be heard in Part III, when one of the bikers is creeping around Chris's van - we see his feet and then he makes a dog bark sound. Anyone else know the piece I'm on about? Anyone else like it?

The other is like an airy sound effect. I have no idea what kind of instrument makes the sound. It can be heard in the original, when Mrs Voorhees is watching the councillors on the lake, it can also be heard in TFC, during a P.O.V. shot from above when Trish and Mrs Jarvis are jogging, the other instance I can remember is in Part VII when Dr Crews is shouting at Tina right up until the moment the picture of her father cracks. Again, anyone know the piece I mean? It's iconic, and I've never it discussed in the ten years I've been around the F13 boards!

I love both of these. Perhaps the first one is a little dated now, but I wish the second one was utilised more in the other original sequels.....it's so effective and spooky.

Darth Sinister

08-24-2009, 09:46 PM

I really love two pieces of Manfredini music. The first one can be heard twice (I think).

It's a piano piece which is heard in the original, after Alice has barricaded the cabin door, picks up the baseball bat and slowly makes her way into the kitchen. It can also be heard in Part III, when one of the bikers is creeping around Chris's van - we see his feet and then he makes a dog bark sound. Anyone else know the piece I'm on about? Anyone else like it?

Yeah, I like that cue as well.

The other is like an airy sound effect. I have no idea what kind of instrument makes the sound. It can be heard in the original, when Mrs Voorhees is watching the councillors on the lake, it can also be heard in TFC, during a P.O.V. shot from above when Trish and Mrs Jarvis are jogging, the other instance I can remember is in Part VII when Dr Crews is shouting at Tina right up until the moment the picture of her father cracks. Again, anyone know the piece I mean? It's iconic, and I've never it discussed in the ten years I've been around the F13 boards!

I'd say it was a synthesizer, but I could be wrong.

The Dude

08-25-2009, 03:45 AM

do i have the original friday the 13th theme on my ipod? you bet your ass i do!

Splatterhouse

08-25-2009, 04:14 AM

Yeah, I like that cue as well.

I'd say it was a synthesizer, but I could be wrong.

So glad to get some correspondence back on my post!

I've been meaning to discuss these two cues for over a decade!

I think it must be a synthesizer. It's so eery, fitted the early films so well.

The piano piece is also heard as what I think must be a string version of the cue, when Mrs Voorhees is looking for Alice, misses her, and Alice gets up and runs in the other direction.

Anyone else out there remember these cues?

I definitely think that synthesizer sound is ALMOST...and I do say almost, as iconic as the KI-KI-MA sound effect in regards to the early films. I can only think of the instances I put it my post earlier but I'm looking forward to watching 1-4 this weekend and to see if the cue pops up in any other scenes. If any of you can beat me to it.....please free to do so.

Love both cues and if any of you hear either in any other scenes, drop the scene they're in, in this thread, and I'll look out for it during my 1-4 marathon!

Manfredini's music was so great during the early sequels. I loved his work in VI, but it although it was good.....it just seemed to lose that spookiness. It all seemed to get a bit electronic come JGTH, though I still enjoyed the score. One piece I really liked, was the music right up until Freddy grabbed the hockey mask, what a beautiful piece of music. Didn't like the Jx score though.

I'm looking forward to watching the original "Hills Have Eyes Part II" for the first time too. I've been told the music is like it's straight out of a Friday movie. So I'm looking forward to checking that out!!

Darth Sinister

08-25-2009, 09:33 PM

Well, the reason I think it might be a synth, is that Manfredini didn't start messing with them until later on. He might've used it then, but at the time it was insturments.

Monkey

08-25-2009, 10:45 PM

The music in the films were extremely effective at creeping me out as a kid. I don't know if it was a "Pavlov's Dog" response (F13 Music = watching F13 = pissing my pants) or if the tunes are creepy in general, but I love the original scores from 1 & 2.

Part 3 had that groovy intro. I taped it using a cassete off of a monotone console from a two-head VCR, so you can imagine how shitty the quality was. I don't know what the hell they were thinking when they went disco or whatever, but I dug it.

Looking back at the remake, it would have been sweet if they had used some of the tunes from the original two movies. I don't remember any music from that movie at all.

Maybe they'll sample some of the old tunes for the sequel?

Darth Sinister

08-26-2009, 08:50 PM

Nothing from the old films were used save for the Manfredini sound. Unless a creative decision is made to include it, a composer won't be under an obligation to use someone else's work. This is why in movie sequels you don't have recurring cues.

The Dream Master

08-26-2009, 10:33 PM

I'm looking forward to watching the original "Hills Have Eyes Part II" for the first time too. I've been told the music is like it's straight out of a Friday movie. So I'm looking forward to checking that out!!

Forget the Manfrendini music. The highlight is definitely the fact that a fucking dog has a flashback. :X

Monkey

08-26-2009, 11:12 PM

If you ever watch the movie, "The Children" (early 80s horror flick involving a school bus that goes through a fog, and the kids change into killers with black fingernails), the score is almost 100% identical to Friday the 13th. It was also composed by Manfrendini, or they were just lazy and bought the soundtrack.

The Dream Master

08-26-2009, 11:20 PM

Manfrendini doesn't exactly have the widest array of sounds, to say the least. See House and Jason Lives, for example. :X

girlychaos

08-26-2009, 11:29 PM

Forget the Manfrendini music. The highlight is definitely the fact that a fucking dog has a flashback. :X

I couldn't believe my own eyes when I saw that. It really is the highlight of the movie (not a good one in the slightest), I don't even remember anything about the music.

The Dream Master

08-26-2009, 11:32 PM

That's probably because you did the only sensible thing: try to forget the entire thing ever happened. :X

girlychaos

08-26-2009, 11:38 PM

That's exactly what I did. Didn't work though. :X

Rich

08-27-2009, 12:47 AM

Anyone else out there remember these cues?

I did really like that piano piece that you talked about. My favorite musical piece is the one in Part 2 when Jason is giving us a POV shot while Vicky is changing in the cabin and the window shutters unlock out of place. It is a violin musical piece I think. You can also hear that one in Part 7 when Jason walks toward the outside electrical power things and yanks them to turn off the party cabin's power.

Darth Sinister

08-27-2009, 09:01 PM

Manfrendini doesn't exactly have the widest array of sounds, to say the least. See House and Jason Lives, for example. :X

Don't forget "Swamp Thing". Several times you can hear bits of the Friday films in it.

Lammert

09-02-2009, 11:37 PM

It's a piano piece which is heard in the original, after Alice has barricaded the cabin door, picks up the baseball bat and slowly makes her way into the kitchen. It can also be heard in Part III, when one of the bikers is creeping around Chris's van - we see his feet and then he makes a dog bark sound. Anyone else know the piece I'm on about? Anyone else like it?

Yeah, I love this little tune... you can also hear it in TFC when Rob gets back to his tent and finds his broken gun. As a kid, this was the second piece of music I still remembered besides KiKiKiMaMaMa.

I also love the piece of music from Part 1 when Ralph walks out of the cabin after jumping from the pantry and rides off on his bike as Alice watches(this piece is also heared when Shelly walks towards the barn with the hockeymask in Part 3).

Manfredini's Kickboxer 3 score sounds a lot like JGTH. ;)